Hello and welcome. I am Carrie Anne, and you are listening to Seventh
Sanctum and I'm joined this evening with my co host Natalie. Hello, Natalie
hid evening everyone or daytime again, because I keep forgetting there. We go
out randomly. Yeah, morning, noon or night, whenever you're listening.
Welcome, Thank you for joining us and this evening. We're really excited to
be joined by Phil. I don't I don't want to do your disservice,
but I've mispronouncing your last name. I should have checked that beforehand, so
that's fine. Yeah, it's Phil Cott fail Ko t V a L.
Thank you. Thank you so much for joining us. Oh dogmne be hunting,
which is a vibe. I love that. Yeah, not too bad
on pronunciation of that. Yeah, No, to be fair, I will
be honest with you. I felt with a lot of pronunciations and it would
just hit any time. There's no rhyme or reason. I could have said
the word about thirty thousand times already and I still mispronounce. So yeah,
I do apologize. Thank you so much for joining us. It's so good
to we've been talking about doing if you fore a little while. It's so
great to have you here. Oh, thank you, thanks for having me.
It's great being here. You're welcome. So we will start where we
normally start when we have guests on the show, and that's usually at the
very beginning for obvious reasons. So what we'd love to know is where did
all this begin for you? The paranormal, which is what the show is
about, paranormal oveness and everything else that's in between. How did you find
yourself here? I found myself here because I've always had the paranormal looking into
me basically a lot of the time, right from when I was a young
kid. I remember once being on a push and Paul we used to call
it a push and Paul train, and being at Ipswich station getting a change
of trains to go to Liverpool Street station, and I looked across into the
carriage of a train at the platform as we were walking along. I was
with my mum and there was all say is they looked like ghules. They
had Sylvie white hair piercing black quite small eyes piercing black eyes, and they
they almost they looked ancient, really really very old, you know, like
people get maybe at Halloween, these latex masks and they kind of they put
them on and they look really credible. They kind of like look very very
lifelike. This was back in the nineteen seventies. They didn't have any masks
like that back then. And these two there were two of them sat side
by side, are facing us and looking out the window passed us. As
we were walking along towards them. They were looking behind us and they were
waving in such a manner that it was an up and down flowing wave,
almost like the same type of wave you know when you're a kid and you're
driving and your dad or mama driving in a car on you stick your hand
out the window and you let the air catch your hand and your hand goes
up and then it goes down again and you kind of like do that.
They're waving in that style. They exaggerated slowly, but they were very odd
looking. And I said to my mum, and my mom look and she
went just keep walking, just keep walking. She didn't really want to know
it all about that now. Uh heads other experiences where stayed in a bungalow.
We did then colact him on sea. Mom dad split up, so
I went to stay with mum. I was always mum's boy so and so
the bungalow was always a little bit eerie strange. On one occasion, we
packed up the car to go away for the weekend to visit my sister who
lived in London, and uh, Mum turned around to me as I was
packing up the car and she said, with the bunglow it had a partitioned
attic, so it was partially boarded, okay, And you had a loft
ladder you had to pull down without it hitting you in the face. So
you pulled that down to get up there, and then kind of like go
into the loft. And there was a window overlooking the garden, a small
UPBC window with funny enough, some nets and a curtain. They'd always been
up there since we moved in. We'd only been there about eighteen months at
a time. And Mum turned around to me as we pack I was packing
up the car and she said, well, Phil, Phil, make sure
you were closed up check that window and close it, okay, because I
want any When Bogel was getting in, I said, youna, no,
boys might not go and do that. So I went upstairs, got the
loft ladder down. It didn't hit me in the face. I was a
bonus, got up into the loft, went over to the window, locked
it, shut it, and pulled the curtain. I don't know why I
pulled the curtain, but I did. There was nothing in the loft,
and we went away. I came back on a Sunday anyway, go out
the car, start getting the stuff out, and instantly I heard monger Phil
Phil the window. I told you to chut that. And I looked up
and the window was open. I thought, right, okay, that's really
weird. So and you'll get why it's weird in a minute, because I
went up into the loft checked it. As I went up the ladder.
There in the loft, I saw two birds, and I swear, I
swear two birds and their wings were crossed. They were lying side by side
and their wings were crossed over their chests, and they looked like they've been
there the mummified they should have been there forever. They were white. Whether
they're pigeons or I don't know, but they were white. And when I
picked them up to bury them, they were powdery. That's what I did,
and I buried them in the garden on the same bungalow there was another
episode where I was listening to June on the TV. So it was one
of his live concerts, and I was like kind of listening to that.
And I was sat adjacent to some sliding doors where the patio door is,
and the curtain was drawn and I had my earphones in and it's there like
back in the day. There's no blue tube, so long lead going to
the TV. And I was listening to the June and Bonnie yard Dog or
Mum's dog at a time. She was sat in with La Mums in the
bedroom asleep. All of a sudden, I heard a bang bang on the
window. I was like, right, weird, okay. Gave me a
hell of a start and I was like right. I instantly went, didn't
cross the window. I went over, knocked on Mom's door, said Mom,
Mum you up, Yes, what is it? I said, there's
someone at someone at the window. Okay, I think that someone in the
garden. There was a long garden, narrow. There was a garage and
a driveway to the left as you look down, and there was an old
folks home. I felt quite sorry for them, really, the old folks
home on the right and side, because I used to when I was in
the garden of the dog, I used to see the old biddy's at the
window looking down, you know, and I thought, I don't know,
I'd love to be in the garden, you know. And anyway, so
I said, Mum, look, just if you could just like get up,
because I'm going to go and have a little look and take Bonnie with
us, just to check. So I got a torch and at the time,
this was for nineteen eighties, middle is about then eighty five, I'd
say you five eighty six. And I had a all I had with me
a torch and air pistol at one seven seven air pistol. Because I thought,
well, all right, and I thought, okay, okay, opened
up the curtain, slid back the door. All I could hear outside was,
you know, this sounded like when cats are on heap and I making
that cry and it's almost like a baby's cry. It was that, and
it was coming from at the bottom of the garden. It was a vegetable
patch which was segregated off on the rest of the green lawn by a little
cast iron gate, and we never used it for vegetables. It was just
down there. It was funny enough to wre I buried the birds, and
so I went off down towards the garden, you know, thought right,
okay, cry and got louder. Bonnie a dog, Mum's dog just went
back into the house. Didn't want to know, just went back into the
house. And I saw Mum at the light behind her, looking down through
the patio door, and I had the torch. I swept the torch around
the garden. Couldn't see a thing. The crying continued, got louder.
Then halfway down the garden, a little more than halfway down, I had
bang bang bank the fences started rattling. The side fence, both side fences
and the bottom fence rattled like cats had hit it, but both at the
same time. All three fences shook at the same time. And then it
went quiet, absolutely quiet. Another thing at that bungalow was or the footsteps
as well, so I would be kind of in the bedroom. I was,
well, I must have been about eighteen nineteen, I suppose then,
and yeah, fifty seven now, so that must have been about by that
time ish, And I was in the bedroom listening to music and you know,
trying to do some press ups unsuccessfully and I heard running in the loft
and it was coming from one side where the window was, to the other
above my bedroom. But it was running and it's quite heavy, so it
wasn't like kids footsteps. It was heavy. I went out into the hallway.
Mum came out. Did you hear that? I was like, yeah,
I did, it was it? I was like, I don't know,
but it's the loft. So I said, right, okay, look
I'm gonna I've got a piss again. I got my torch. I used
the poddy stick because you've got the loft the loft door to actually prod it
up to let the latch go, and it came down. I swerved quickly
so the ladder didn't hit me, and then I went up. As I
went up, turned the light on. Not a soul up there, nobody.
There wasn't anything else up there. The only thing that was different was
the curtains, which I had previously closed, were open. And we heard
footsteps quite a lot, one thing Mum told me about. So we heard
the footsteps an awful lot. Got so common that we didn't really take my
shoes of them. I didn't go up again, really, because i'd been
up about three times over the footsteps still and never sawt of thing. So
I didn't really bother anymore. Whatever they're doing having a party. But the
one thing Mum didn't tell me about the time until we left, and it
wasn't too afterwards. She said, do you know, philm the one thing
that did scare me. I said, what was that? Mum? She
said, I was coming out of the bathroom and as you come out of
the bathroom you go into a main hallway and to the right hand side you
got a kitchen door, and then to the left hand side mother's bedroom,
and then the next door would be my room. Front door to the left
a bit of that, and then then a lounge. She said, I
saw the loft, the loft door rattling. It was banging up and down.
I wasn't in at time, I was out, and yeah, so
she she saw that, she saw and her that the loft door banging up
and down, and I was like, wow, that's you know, that
was like kind of freaking. It had a weird feeling to it. And
I do remember coming down there was something in the loft because I was going
past it one evening. Ah uh right, Yeah, I remember as I
was going underneath the loft hatch and I heard a voice and the voice said
beware, Phil, beware. There was a deep voice and Phil beware.
Anyway, we moved soon after that, and then we went to live down
in near Greenford in London, and that's when it started down there, and
we had a masonette and that's when the it was a shadow being really.
So it was a masonette and a block of four and we had a ground
floor one and I at the time I had a girlfriend that I was going
out see a girlfriend staying over hers. I didn't spend an awful lot of
time at home with Mom. I was like out over there mostly, and
one evening I did go over to mums and I spent like the weekend at
mum Mums and uh, she said, you know, if I see her
every now and then, I see like a fingo passed because what it was
there was a hallway and between the lounge and the hallway was a glass slightly
frosted glass door. Yeah, and then you step into the hallway bedroom on
the left, bedroom door in front of you go down the hallway to be
a bathroom, and then the front door. And I was like I really,
well, what was that? And she said, well, it's quite
low and it's sort of sort of like a smoke going past. I was
like, okay, that that place was always a bit creepy. I've got
I've actually got it recorded of her mum. I recorded it what she said
about it. And she said that a spru friend of hers came to stay
with her and she said, you know, her mom's name was Jerry,
and she said, you know, Jerry. She said, I like your
place, but I'll never stay here again, A mom said one. She
said, there's something wrong with it. There's something not right. There's something
bad. There's something here. And when I stayed there a weekend, I
remember seeing just going past. Now. The thing is the light was out
in the hallway. Okay, lounge lights were on, but the hallway light
was off. But this thing was so dark and so black. It was
black against the dark the hallway, and it just you saw it going past
the window. It was almost like a dog. But I don't know,
it's just yeah, strange, strange. Mom pretty chill about seeing all this
kind of in her houses or did she just get used to it. No,
it doesn't doesn't doesn't worry her things like that, So don't don't worry
her. She doesn't make a big thing of it at all, doesn't boby
her. She's like kind of, oh, well, do a thing,
just another shadow being film. That's great, And I'm like freaking out and
she's like, right, you know, it's just one of those from Yeah,
I don't worry about it. Yeah, your bungalow. It was like,
your manifestations are quite physical, aren't they really in a way, so
yeah, at the corner of your eye, is it? It's it's yeah,
it's just like, oh when I was a bit scared the one time
and everything is it's just you know, it did freak out. Was the
loft door banging up and down? You know, I'm just strange. Yeah,
yeah, that is very because it's heavy, because it's a heavy door
because it's got the loft ladder above it holding it down, so it's like
kind of quite heavy to thump up and down and just straight do you know
what with with all the paranormal stuff that I've had, you all so get
not just paranormal stuff. You get coincidences, strange coincidences that also happen.
Get this at the bungalow. Another thing that happened was, and it's not
paranormal, but it's just a strange coincidence. Right there was we were watching
TV. So there was Bonnie, mum's dog, Mum and a lounge,
Me and the lounge. We were watching h some game show and all of
a sudden I heard a mighty big bang out the front at the front garden,
and I thought. My mom was like, oh, wonder, what's
up now? And I was like, I'll go and check. So I
went out to the front garden and it's right on the road. So we've
got a little patch of grass, and then you've got a brick wall,
a gate, the driveway gates, and then it's just pavement and drop curb
and the road and the wall had been decimated, so it's a free foot
high wall and most of it ended up in the front garden, bricks everywhere.
The thing is, we didn't see any broken glass from any car,
headlamps, lenses, no tire marks. We asked the neighbors didn't see anything.
It was as if it happened, but it didn't happen. Nobody saw
it. There was no trace of anything. The police had no idea.
They said, well, we can't search for anything that hasn't been it hasn't
been damaged, or it's no damage. Then I doubt very much anyone's going
to come forth. That was very odd. The other thing that happened at
that bungalow really odd. I've got to just mention this was a bit funny
this one. But so Mum was in the toilet okay, and this was
another time sometime after and uh and yeah. So yeah, so she was
going to go into the bathroom. That's it. She was going to go
into the bathroom. I heard some blue lights out the front, so the
police were about and I thought, oh, there's a big thing. And
this was in Clacton on Sea. Yeah, otherwise quite quiet place, you
know, lovely for retirement and quite quiet, you know, so blue lights
is a big thing, especially in the nineteen eighty all what's going on?
So I had a little look at the front and police officer said do you
mind, so just get back in the house, close all the doors and
windows, and I was like, right, okay, Well something serious.
So Mum came out of the bedroom and she said, I'll just go and
go in the bathroom and I was like no worries that Mum. As she
turned the bathroom light on, I heard a police officer go there, he
is there, get him And he was crouched down below the bathroom window.
As Mum turned the bathroom light on, it lit this guy up like a
Christmas tree. He was crouched down in the shadow and if the window down
our side passageway. So it's just odd things, cool coincidence, isn't it?
Just the Also in terms of Clacton though, that the paranormal significance,
the magic element there, there's it's quite a lot, isn't It's a scent
o sifths is that correct pronouns and pronunciations, and then you have the Cage
and Ursla Kemp and all those kind of characters and the infamous activities that happened
in Clacton. So it's almost as if it's sitting on top of a quartz
mind. Yeah, everything seems to be really amplified there. Yeah, it
does. It does seem to me. I think, you know, there
is certain places that we go to and I do believe that they have a
stronger thinner veil through that way. That's like the inward at the moment in
a thinner veil, and I think that is true. You know, there
is a they're more susceptible for strange stuff to happen. But I also do
have to say that I've it's a strange thing where I've met a lot of
people and people in clacton that at the time that they don't because they don't
believe, and they won't entertain the belief. They don't see it and they
don't experience anything. So it begs the question is it because is it biocentric
that we sort of see it and we kind of are open to it that
it happens. If I was living at Bungalow and I didn't, I don't
believe in anything like that, don't believe anything. I still think it would
happen. There is a narrative that says that it exists within the narrative and
nowhere else. So it exists because we say it exists, and if we
didn't look for it, we wouldn't find it. So we work with the
paranormal. There's lots of fearies and studies based upon that, and then you
also have the experiments like the Flips experiment and the skulls experiment and stuff that
try and argue away like telekinesis and all that kind of jazz. But I
think I do believe that it depends what you're more predispositioned to believe, if
you was, how you interpret it. I don't think it argues whether it
exists or not. I just think it comes down to interpretation of whether someone
believes it does to them. I still think it happens. You've also,
Yeah, I was going to say what I think the word for it is
attention? Is it in? It's either attentional blindness or inattentional blindness. Yeah,
I don't know if you remember that video with the basketball match and somebody
ran across the court in a gorilla suit and a lot of people didn't know
because and it's like the brain does filter stuff out, So like you say,
if you're not filtering that stuff out, you're more likely to notice it,
whereas if it's not important or relevant to you, you're filtering that out
because you're focusing on elsewhere. So perhaps that's why some people notice some things
that are happening, like you say, whether it's happening or not around them,
they don't notice it because their brains filtering it out, you know,
because I'm not sure. It's probably a mixture of things, isn't it.
It's I think so, yeah, I think it could. I mean,
the Philip experiment was very very interesting. That was very interesting. I love
they televised it as well, and it has been so on my bucket list.
I would love to try and recreate that. Oh absolutely, that is
my my bucket. We create that, I know they did with our experiments.
I think there was a couple that followed and the Skulls of the Skulls
experiment essentially used the same formula, they just changed the context. So the
Phillips experiment was there to prove that ghosts don't exist. We just projected,
whereas the Skulls experiment took the same kind of formula to prove that they do
exist. There's an argument four or against, but it would be really interesting
and it would it would give us answers to things like I don't like thirty
Strive, where you have a location where you're primed as soon as you walk
through the door, they've got you. Watch the video of the film in
the house, it's still decorated exactly the same as it is in the film
if it hasn't changed. And then over the years there's been this character build
up of I think if they call it mister Happy, I think I could
be wrong, but the Black Monk as well. So the more you investigate,
the more of a picture paranormal investigators put to it. My argument is
is they've manifested in That's what I believe the Phillips experiment has because if you
think about the Phillips experiment, they took artifacts from where they believe Phillips was
from, they brought it all into the location. They gave him a backstory,
they gave them a life, they gave him a mistress. That literally
what they've done for the Black Monk in Fair Strive is essentially what they did
for Philip. They kept it within that confinement of and said this is where
he's from, and this is where it looked like, and this would be
there. And then they even went as far as one room. I think
they've changed it now, but one room was dedicated to all evidence that was
ever gathered in that place. So you went into a side room, photos,
media, all the advertisement for the films, everything was in there.
So you think to yourself, what happens internally biologically, your flight a fire
and your ancient fear system and all that kind of jazz. So you're already
kind of thinking, yeah, this is it. You then watch the film
in there, and then you're surrounded by all the evidence they ever gathered there
and then manifest the spirit they communicate with, and it's always similar or the
same spirit every time, more or less. So I do feel we see
modern cases of it. But it would be I would it would be good
to be able to just give it a go. It would be very very
interesting. It would be interesting to do. Yeah, I think that.
I believe that the deeper you look into these things, and the more you
inquire an inquiring mind looks into these things, the more it looks back at
you, and the more it happens to you. That's a definite that does
happen. I can concur with that one. Yeah, that definitely does happen.
And sometimes it's you have to be careful not to go too deep,
because sometimes you know you can. I remember another story I had which was
the scariest that I've ever had. I would never I can honestly say I
would never want to meet again. I was working for a garage called it
was I won't called I won't say the name of the garage, but it
was a BMW garage. I was working in London and it was a Chissick
roundabout that's gone now, but and I lived down the high road in Husick
and I just got Basically, it was a bedset in a shared house and
it was above a shop, so it was a shop on the ground level
and then three stories up and I was on the top story in a top
bedset. So there was a grotty shower halfway up bathroom that you can imagine.
It's kind of like, you know, everyone's used it. No one
really wanted to watch it out shade kitchen. It wasn't great, but it
was a base and it was near to work, so that's what count you
know. That's what I cared about. The time anyway, one evening and
I remember it being towards Christmas time. Can't be exact, but I'm sure
it was the beginning of December and I woke up in the early hours.
Must have been a round about two in the morning. Why I know it's
round about two is because I had one of those old fression digital clocks and
it used to flip down the numbers used to and I think it was I'm
sure if I remember. It was about two o'clockish. Anyway, I woke
up and whom was dark? Now. The layout of the room was it
was just a bed and of them and a wardrobe to the So you walked
through the door through from the landing. There was another bedset adjacent to mine
across the landing, and as you walk through into my room on the left
hand side, there'd be an old in situ. When I've got there,
it's really there, chester drawers, two opening up doors in the mirror in
the middle, long length from her in the middle, and a bed in
them. And then to the right hand side of the bed was a sash
window, a large sash window, and it was very high up, so
you look down and it's like the street was way way down. And I
remember waking up and I couldn't move. I couldn't move my arms, I
couldn't move my legs. And I looked to cross to my right where the
sash window was, and a light coming through. It was amber from the
street lamps, but because it was so high, it was about higher than
the street lamps were but you could still make out the light hitting the ceiling.
And in the corner, excuse me, in the corner was this dark
shadow and it was like a ball as a mound, as if somebody it
was crouching basically. Then it lifted up and it was a person, and
the person had a hat, and he looked like the Pied Piper in silhouette.
Even down to June. Do you remember the Pied Pipers went at the
outfit where it had like the skirt. I think they called it cravat crave
or something like a skirt, even though the guys used to those days,
used to like black headed days, used to wear like this skirt thing.
You could see that, but in silhouette form. And it walked against the
wall from the window towards the bottom of my bed and stopped. I couldn't
move. And when I tell you that this entity emanated something beyond fear.
It was evil. It was bad. It was evil. It was just
the worst kind of feeling emanating from it. It was it was It was
just awful, it was whole. It was just. Yeah. I was
quite young, and I kind of weed myself because I was frightened. Wow.
And it then it stopped, and it then I knew it. I
knew it was looking at me, but I couldn't see its face because it
was all shadow. But I could feel it looking at me. And then
it moved on, and then it went across the wardrobe, and I went
across the wardrobe. The mirror dulled. There was a mirror, so I
saw it dull because I could move my neck and moved my head, but
nothing else. And then it disappeared, and I don't remember anything until the
morning. Then I woke up. Yeah, I woke up in the morning
and it felt like uh, and it's just I felt like I had been
drinking all night, but I hadn't because I'd worked that day, so not
in the school night. I don't drink abused. And uh. The funniest
part of it was it's a bedset of all different kinds of people in it.
Yeah, some are okay, some I didn't know. It's complete strangers.
And in bedsit down in those days, you always knew where you were
because as you walk up the stairs and you see your different rooms, they'd
have pad locks and lectures on the outside of the doors, you know.
And I always was absolutely fastidious in keeping my door locks when I was in
there and putting a paddle on when I was out and the door was open.
So I don't understand that in the morning when you woke up the door
was open. Yeah. Oh, and I'm fastidious. I was. I
was like, you know, I didn't have I didn't have an awful lot,
you know what I mean I did. There was no mobile phones then
and things like that still, but uh, I always locked a measure locktics
I didn't know who was in the house and who wasn't anyone Oh, sorry,
Kerry, I know I was just going to say, did anyone else
in the house ex I mean, I know obviously probably didn't talk to them
too much, but did they experience anything or was that just like yeah,
yeah, the guy the guy in the bedsit next next door to us,
so on the same landing there was another door, and then his flat that
was there anyway, his girlfriend. He had avow of his girlfriend. He
was always having a his girlfriend always round with his girlfriend. And she she
left as she normally used to us, sort of like that, and he
said, who was that guy that came out you room? I was like,
what do you mean? And he said, there was somebody that she
saw someone come out in my room. And this was like, because she
dad a vow, I didn't hear them varin As she came out of her
room, she saw some think or somebody coming out of my room and I
said, what did you look like? She said, I don't know.
It was in the light wasn't on. There's someone coming at your room?
Who was at I was like, I don't know who was that coming at
your room? With my girlfriend? It was like kind of but she saw
someone. That makes it a little bit more scary, doesn't it any way,
because you can't like say, oh, it was just a bad dream,
because all these things are insular, they're they're they're really evidential only to
the personal experience. And that's the pity of it. Yeah, but it's
kind of The feeling was the feeling that was emanating from that being was like
nothing else, nothing else I've ever experienced or I'd want to experience again.
And I've been to ghost hunts. I've been to I've been in woods in
the middle of the night. I've been to forests connect Chase at night.
I've been to some really creepy places. I've never felt anything. Thank God,
anything like that before or again, I wouldn't want it. I think
I think that most everyone's got that one story when they think back to it,
it literally it's like the origin story, isn't it? And it's and
it Yeah, but then you can't imagine experiencing that again or being in that
moment where that would be something that you experienced. I hope it makes sense.
I think yeah. And when you mentioned the shadow Man, so there
is this theory about the Shadow hat Man, I'm sure you've come across in
before the shadow I have Terry Brown, who would do podcasts previously. She
had some really terrible experiences with the Shadow hat Man and ended up writing books
based upon him. The only experience I've ever had with him is mine.
My daughter was about six and she got herself in a bit of a crying
state, being quite angry, and once she calmed down a little bit,
she had her space and she said to me, who was the man in
the hallway? You looked like Abraham Lincoln. I was like, oh,
I don't know. And it worn't until years later that Terry said, no,
that's a shadow hat Man, and he isn't a nice person. Is
a no, no, No, it's I didn't know about the entity until
afterwards because it was Bliming Valley. It was the nineteen nineties, late nineties,
late nineties, so you know, as early days, I didn't know
anything about I knew about ghosts, yes, didn't know anything about anything else
except really ghosts. And you know, I mean as a kid, I
was always interested. So maybe it's because I was always open. I'd always
go running up to the library or you know when you know, when I
had the chance, because it was the only point of reference to get the
old books where you'd get there, look flick through the pages and you see
that ghost, that ghostly figure coming down the staircase with the willow, the
wisp material floating everywhere, and the monk by the altar, those archetypal pictures
you find in it's those type of books, you know, Nessie I love
the stories of monsters and NeSSI and things because there was no other point of
reference for me to go to. But I had that what it was,
really, I suppose it's always been a kind of from asking my grandmaster,
you know, you know what went on then, you know, because she
had like ghostly stories as well, you know, so I kind of like
used to ask her nice to love those sort of things, tell me too,
young ones, you can Mum's not here, I'm not here, go
away man. Yeah. So yeah, but and that naturally brought me onto
things like uh, cryptids and stuff like that, you know, and the
finding these finding these structures out in the woods when I've been going out with
my dogs, and then going onto YouTube and finding the other structures which are
thousands of miles way in another country, exact same symbols structures x'es ys,
tps. I love, thought, Ashold, when did you start finding the
structures in the forest? And is this a real thing for you? Or
is this been going on for a little while now? This has been going
on for about two years, about two years now, so not mammoth big
time in a long time. But and then I decided, right, okay,
if I'm going to do this, I'm going to sort of do it
properly, and I'm going to get some good recording gear, good camera gear
and some software and try and capture one. And when I started my YouTube
channel, and yeah, started that, and I've gotten quite lucky. I've
managed to get quite a few videos of things like they call it type one
dog man, which looks more like a big dog pointy years. You know
Anubis, the Egyptian neubas. I've managed to capture that tree. Most recent
one was at Campbellwell Cemetery, old cemetery. I'm sure you know about that.
I was there, and so it's another thing. They're tricksters in a
way. All this paranormal business, there was an element of trickster to it.
I was recording and I was like, there're an EVPs. Because I
thought, well, i'm here, it's very old graveyard. I thought I'll
do a few EVPs as well, so I was calling out. I then
managed to catch an EVV and it sounded robotic, very odd. I've had
a lot of EVPs, but not one like this. So I put it
on a video and I said put it on TikTok as well, and I
gave a shout out and I said, look, if anyone knows what this
voice is saying, and let us know, no one can discern what it
says. But they said, definitely it's a voice, and definitely it's quite
deep and robotic, and it's right by my shoulder. And then I went
through the video, reviewed it, edited, it, and then I spotted
something and it was like where it was like a wolf type entity, but
it came out of came out from behind the gravestone, went along and then
you know predator. When when the predator cloaked itself and you can see the
background, but you can see the outline of predator but you can still see
it against the background of the bush or the jungle. It was like that,
and it cloaked itself, but you could still see it on film,
the outline of the dog. It was a big dog, big shouldered as
well. So that was quite an interesting find. So what made you think
when you first found the structures in the forest and what made you think that
it could be not human made? Or did you just think that it was
people and then found out later that it may not have been, or did
you idea first? Yeah, I saw, I saw the structures and I
thought, right, okay, now I know with bushcraft then they use what
the course bud to we stripped to basically shape the wood, basically the branches,
so they shave it and mark it and some are quite obviously yeah they're
man made, and okay, you know then it wasn't until I started looking
for evidence of cryptids in the woods and forests. So I went in deeper.
I'm not going to stick to the footpaths. I'm going to go off
the footpath and I'm going to go onto the rough terrain see what I can
find. So I went onto the rough terrain and I walked and hiked with
the dogs an hour, hiked two hours. Then I came across in the
rain, off the path two hours in the forest, these structures. Then
I found a large X and the symmetry of the X, and it was
the X was put together with the trees, but the trees had been lifted
up from the ground, leant up against each other to form an X in
the sky. Evidence that as well strange arrows and wires that I found,
they are placed in a particular manner, which is not a natural dead fall
for wood. They're not natural fall of a branch. It's too symmetrical.
It's too carefully placed to be in a thing, but placed by hand by
something. Then I saw the these tepees and these structures, and do you
know what, I thought to myself that I couldn't get in one. And
if it's bushcraft hy enough, don't they cover it up with ferns, or
compact it with wood with leaves and mud to make it waterproof. If it's
a hide, you'd want it to be waterproof or windproof at least, or
you'd want to cover it up with soda. Prey like deer don't see you
so easily. But these things aren't. These things almost look like they almost
look like they're interweaved branches interweaved into each other into a structure, some which
look like an Indian TP with sometimes no entrance and no exit to them.
They have been found with things like number plates. Can't number plates inside them,
but no entrance, no exits. Yeah, so you get like almost
like I wouldn't say gifting, but you get things inside them. And this
is like an hour and a half, two hours into the forest. It's
a long hike, so kids could be kids, but with kids really go
that deep into a forest, it's quite scary anyway, Yeah, likely doesn't
it really? To be fair? No, I have asked as a girl
that I know, I work with her funny enough, and she's a leader
of the ACF, which is the Army Cadet Force. And I said to
her, I showed the photos and videos and I said them, do you
make it? She said, oh, yeah, yeah, we make shelters
like that. Yeah. Sometimes yeah, but we we do cover them up.
We would like made them walls proof, but they're not ours. I
was like, oh, I didn't think it be yours. I just wondered
if you'd She said no, because with the Army Cadet Force, the whole
ethos is leave no trace, So we always take any shelters down afterwards.
Yeah, because you think most bushcraft is like that, isn't it. It's
about we're there, so like to go to that effort to put the structure
up and then just leave it. Like you say, the entrance way.
If it is a bushcraft type thing, you want the entrance because the idea
is that you're going inside it exactly. Yeah, and you'd want it so
that it's comfortable inside, so that you don't have to get So it's been
raining and muddy. You don't want to get on your hands and knees to
get into a structure in the mud. You want to so okay if you
bend down, but you don't want to get any hands and knees when you're
in it. You don't you want to be able to maybe stand up these
things. You can't. It's as if they're made for something to curl up
into. Okay, on the ground. Another odd thing I found with these
is there's always usually burning inside, like the wood has been the wood has
been exposed to some kind of energy force which has burnt the wood on the
inside so much so that on videos you can see me where I've picked a
piece of the wood off and it's just the very surface of the branch and
it's gone to charcoal. But there's no scorch marks at all on the ground.
There's no fire on the ground, those scorch marks, no leaves which
are burnt, nothing, It is just the wood which has been expose I
believe to some energy, high energy force or field. I was gonna say,
as well, have you I assume you've never seen footprints and things either,
because I mean, being in the woods with the modern stuff, you
don't expect to see people you know, people you know. Yeah, No,
I've seen I've seen what could be construed as footprints. I've seen footprints,
quite large ones on a number of occasions. I haven't taken cast because
I didn't have any plaster Paris to take a cast. But I have taken
photos and videos of it with my foot up against it to show the size
difference. Uh yeah, yeah, but no, that is a good that's
a good point, though. You know I've not I've not seen I've seen
in cannec Chase. I took a video. Once again, I didn't mean
to capture this. It just happened and appeared. It wasn't until I edited
the video afterwards and you kind of scrutinize it. You think, my god,
what's that. It looks like a bird taking off from a bush,
very bright. But then when I slowed it down and expanded the picture,
you can see what looks to be a big foot type creature. But it
looks that bird taking off is not a bird taking off. It's like a
light saber it's throwing. For want of a better expression, it looks like
it looks something like it's throwing something that's lit, a light saber. That
sounds odd, but yeah, on a video, it looks like that.
I have a couple of the videos I saw of you you posted. I
think there was one with a there was one with a deer, and there
was a man nearby, and there was something with it you like orange eye
things. And I was like, whoa, what's that? Yeah, that
was I was with the dogs and I put it on a video. What
happened? That was I was walking the dogs and I had a video going
because I normally have one or two cameras on the go all the while at
any one time. So I was recording, and all of a sudden,
both the terrier's got quite elderly. Now I've got Ruby and Baz, and
they're both Jack Russell's but basils some half a Chua. So it can be
a bit funny, but blesseds are it is lovely. And all of a
sudden they went a bit nutty. They went, they were they got what's
the words aggravated, they got, we're so scared, but I'd say confused.
They went around the circles. So I thought like, okay, all
right, I've got one tangle the leads because I had them on lead at
the time, so I both like, so thought I untangled leads because they're
sort of like get me in a muddle. So untangled that got myself sorted
out and got back onto the filming. Now, at that point I looked
at the camera and I saw this old, very bright, reflective gold colored
entity standing by some deer. Originally, before the dog started freaking out,
I saw. I was just concentrating on photo filming some deer. Love animals,
so I was like filming a deer and a lovely dreer, and there
was brilliant because there were a great point of reference. Another good point of
reference was this log by the side of them. And then the dog started
playing up. Then I took the camera down and I started shooting again.
Thank goodness, the deer was still there in frame. Then all of a
sudden, by this log, it just appeared this golden statue, for want
of a better term, this golden entity was there, but very when I
saw it. It doesn't do it justice on film. It's very very when
I saw it. My eyes very reflective, really reflective. So I got
that on camera as well. I don't know what that was, but center
dogs a bit natty. Do you do you think that the dogs react like
round the structures and things as well, or you know they rum me to
for you to let you know something's happening, or is it just are they
a bit random? They're a bit random, to be honest, they're a
bit random on the newer structures. They on the newer structures, they won't
go in. You know, I know an older structure to a newer one.
So a newer built structure if I will go into a forest and like
kind of a go off track, if it's a newer type structure. What
I do is I take a temperature reading. So I take an ambient temperature
reading of the ground outs, and then I take a temperature reading with a
laser thermometer with the ground inside the TP. There's always a newer one.
There's always about one to two degree differential in temperature. It's cooler inside the
TV always, which you could put down to maybe it's shaded, so yeah,
might be that in our ones that it could be that. But I
have also got a K two meter because of my ghostbusting days. So I
get the K two meter out and the younger tps and the younger structures,
the ones which look like they haven't long been up always quite high MF reading
on it. So where the fluctuations there? Yeah, and I video that
as well. I try and be as open book policy about my videos as
possible, so I film myself doing it and if it doesn't come up with
anything on the earth. I showed it doesn't come up with anything, but
I tried. Yeah, it's better to be open book like that than not,
because then, like you say, you get a baseline as well,
and then people can around and say your cherry picking because you can't go,
well, this one didn't have this one on the majority I am finding.
Yeah, that's exactly. Yeah, if you don't need vps around near the
structures at all, if you tried, yeah, yeah, yeah, A
couple of times I have. Yeah, there was one which was but you
see, I don't know, if I don't know. I think the robotic
sounding voice I got in Camberwell Cemetery, I think that was possibly a dog
man. I think that was the entity, because they do, they do
voice mind speak to you they're meant to I haven't heard that, yeah,
unless it was that that I heard on film, but then it was caught
on film as well, so I don't know. But yeah, normally I
do catch you up, not often twice so far, three times with the
Camberwell Cemetery. But then you're talking about places that I go to where I
also see a lot of witchcraft symbolism Blair witch type stuff in the trees,
figures made out of sticks, yeah, type of things. Yeah. So
yeah, yeah, it's like, why am I doing this? I think
I think the best advice anyone can give is if you see anything hanging in
the trees, don't touch it. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Luckily I didn't take that home. I didn't know. Yeah yeah yeah yeah,
but you find some sort of yeah, I mean on a lot of
ghost hunts. I've been on the ghost hunt recently last October and this was
at north Wield. At north Wield railway station, they've done a ghost was
organized one and uh so they sat set out a doll. I got on
video as well. They set out a doll which was a really if they
tried to get the world's most creepiest doll you know, which was vempods basically
yeah, vempod do and this guy who like runs the ghost tour, he
must have got the creepiest doll ever. So they stuck it on one end
of this old redundant railway carriage that is meant to have been very very haunted.
So got on a video where as soon as as soon as it started,
what happened was the door at one end you know, they got the
door going through from one carriage to another. You heard it. You can
hear it closing so bang sharp. But then what I went through, because
you know, it's kind of just a closed door. But then the dole
was placed by that door that instantly got set off. So the dole,
when you see the video, starts rocking as if it's on a rocking horse.
At the same time, it's singing a rhyme, and the rhyme is
the most god awful, creepiest rhyme you could ever want to hear in your
life. So I freaked out because I didn't expect this doll to sound quite
like that. But yeah, you could hear the door and then this went
off. But a little while later there was some good at a lot of
them. I was the one up by the door, and the rest of
the gang was down the other end of the carriage. But they heard the
growling down their end of the carriage, like a deep, throaty growl.
I can't do it, actually, I gave up smoking yws ago. But
yeah, real throaty, throaty growl down the end of the carriage, which
I film was really odd, very odd. I didn't get that on the
film. It didn't come out on the audio. Well that's that would have
been a good man. That would have been brilliant. That would have been
so good, because I mean the whole thing is I think, like with
you guys as well, it is a case of evidencing all of this.
Yeah, because a lot of people people, oh, you know, they
even I don't believe in it. The bunket, No, you can't be
right. And you know what, I'm open to the fact that yes,
okay, right, not all of it, and I put my hands up,
not all of it and some of it, yeah, okay, could
be other stuff going off. It could be my imagination I do for the
dam but I know there is something there. And I know that we see
stuff. We know we see stuff, we hear stuff. There is something
then people. It's funny people that do experience this always have the same always
have the same way of them almost kind of, I mean always they've almost
got that same like thousand yards there, that same look. You just know
they have seen the stuff. They know it, they've seen it, you
know, and there's and we're just out there trying to evidence it, you
know, for ourselves. Of anyone else just for ourselves. Yeah, I
agree, and I'm sad to say that we've come to the end. What
a wonderful place to finish. Oh, no, to the end of our
show. Okay, I've got lots more, you know. Okay, not
a problem. We are always open. You can always come back, and
we're quite happy to. Oh that'd be great. Yeah, with the only
part wat chapter one, I'm going to end up with a doesn't guess on
rotation. At this rate, we're like we want story is running back saying
wow, yeah, no, that'd be great to come back. Yeah,
yeah, you girls lovely, Yeah, would be lovely. Thank you,
thank you, thank you. So so before we do finish, you've told
us a bit about your YouTube. Where can people find you, how can
they watch you? And how can they get in touch if they want to
share some of the evidence that they've got. Okay, well, my email
address is it's I'll say it like a police officer. It's Keilo oscar Tango
dot Papa Juliet at hotmail dot co dot UK, so dot pj at hotmail
dot co dot UK. My YouTube is dog Man TP hunting. Also put
words dog man TP hunting and I've got a podcast. Well, what I
tried to do was I tried to sort of put all of my kind of
stories down on podcasts so that you know, kind of it's always there,
you know. So that is the Interdimensional Voyages podcast, which is just separate
words, the Interdimensional Voyages, and that's yeah. Email you can if you've
got anything which you know you'd like to share ghost wise, dog men wise,
whatever, or you just want to have a chat something that's worrying you.
You know, I've got yeah, tons of I can drone on forever
about my experiences. You know. Then that's fine as well. You know,
we'll here to help each other, you know. Thank you, thank
you so much, and we encourage you. Welcome touch and we look forward
to chatting to you soon. So once our show is live, we will
also post any links and anyways of being able to contact for you as well
directly. And he's actually a member of the seventh Sanctum Private Group as well,
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get joined in and have a look and chat there as Oh yeah,
so thank you. I'm going to say good night, good morning, hello,
goodbye. Thank you so much for joining us. And we will see
you next time. Thank you very much for having me all right, take
care of you. The thank you