1 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:36,000 Hello and welcome. I am Carrie Anne, and you are listening to Seventh 2 00:00:36,079 --> 00:00:41,119 Sanctum and I'm joined this evening with my co host Natalie. Hello, Natalie 3 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:46,640 hid evening everyone or daytime again, because I keep forgetting there. We go 4 00:00:46,719 --> 00:00:50,600 out randomly. Yeah, morning, noon or night, whenever you're listening. 5 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:57,280 Welcome, Thank you for joining us and this evening. We're really excited to 6 00:00:57,399 --> 00:01:00,479 be joined by Phil. I don't I don't want to do your disservice, 7 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:04,000 but I've mispronouncing your last name. I should have checked that beforehand, so 8 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:08,159 that's fine. Yeah, it's Phil Cott fail Ko t V a L. 9 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:14,400 Thank you. Thank you so much for joining us. Oh dogmne be hunting, 10 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:19,719 which is a vibe. I love that. Yeah, not too bad 11 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:23,920 on pronunciation of that. Yeah, No, to be fair, I will 12 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:29,879 be honest with you. I felt with a lot of pronunciations and it would 13 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:33,879 just hit any time. There's no rhyme or reason. I could have said 14 00:01:33,879 --> 00:01:38,599 the word about thirty thousand times already and I still mispronounce. So yeah, 15 00:01:38,079 --> 00:01:42,359 I do apologize. Thank you so much for joining us. It's so good 16 00:01:42,359 --> 00:01:46,000 to we've been talking about doing if you fore a little while. It's so 17 00:01:46,159 --> 00:01:49,159 great to have you here. Oh, thank you, thanks for having me. 18 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:55,560 It's great being here. You're welcome. So we will start where we 19 00:01:55,680 --> 00:02:00,480 normally start when we have guests on the show, and that's usually at the 20 00:02:00,599 --> 00:02:06,680 very beginning for obvious reasons. So what we'd love to know is where did 21 00:02:06,719 --> 00:02:08,599 all this begin for you? The paranormal, which is what the show is 22 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:14,879 about, paranormal oveness and everything else that's in between. How did you find 23 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:23,439 yourself here? I found myself here because I've always had the paranormal looking into 24 00:02:23,479 --> 00:02:29,960 me basically a lot of the time, right from when I was a young 25 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:36,199 kid. I remember once being on a push and Paul we used to call 26 00:02:36,199 --> 00:02:40,280 it a push and Paul train, and being at Ipswich station getting a change 27 00:02:40,319 --> 00:02:46,759 of trains to go to Liverpool Street station, and I looked across into the 28 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:51,240 carriage of a train at the platform as we were walking along. I was 29 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:58,159 with my mum and there was all say is they looked like ghules. They 30 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:08,360 had Sylvie white hair piercing black quite small eyes piercing black eyes, and they 31 00:03:08,879 --> 00:03:14,560 they almost they looked ancient, really really very old, you know, like 32 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:20,439 people get maybe at Halloween, these latex masks and they kind of they put 33 00:03:20,439 --> 00:03:25,000 them on and they look really credible. They kind of like look very very 34 00:03:25,039 --> 00:03:30,400 lifelike. This was back in the nineteen seventies. They didn't have any masks 35 00:03:30,479 --> 00:03:35,360 like that back then. And these two there were two of them sat side 36 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:43,080 by side, are facing us and looking out the window passed us. As 37 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:46,680 we were walking along towards them. They were looking behind us and they were 38 00:03:46,919 --> 00:03:53,280 waving in such a manner that it was an up and down flowing wave, 39 00:03:53,639 --> 00:03:57,080 almost like the same type of wave you know when you're a kid and you're 40 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:00,280 driving and your dad or mama driving in a car on you stick your hand 41 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:03,800 out the window and you let the air catch your hand and your hand goes 42 00:04:03,879 --> 00:04:06,919 up and then it goes down again and you kind of like do that. 43 00:04:08,199 --> 00:04:13,960 They're waving in that style. They exaggerated slowly, but they were very odd 44 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,759 looking. And I said to my mum, and my mom look and she 45 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:20,000 went just keep walking, just keep walking. She didn't really want to know 46 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:32,360 it all about that now. Uh heads other experiences where stayed in a bungalow. 47 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:38,560 We did then colact him on sea. Mom dad split up, so 48 00:04:38,639 --> 00:04:44,560 I went to stay with mum. I was always mum's boy so and so 49 00:04:46,199 --> 00:04:53,160 the bungalow was always a little bit eerie strange. On one occasion, we 50 00:04:53,639 --> 00:04:56,759 packed up the car to go away for the weekend to visit my sister who 51 00:04:56,800 --> 00:05:00,800 lived in London, and uh, Mum turned around to me as I was 52 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:06,360 packing up the car and she said, with the bunglow it had a partitioned 53 00:05:08,399 --> 00:05:12,519 attic, so it was partially boarded, okay, And you had a loft 54 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:16,240 ladder you had to pull down without it hitting you in the face. So 55 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:19,000 you pulled that down to get up there, and then kind of like go 56 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:24,160 into the loft. And there was a window overlooking the garden, a small 57 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:29,920 UPBC window with funny enough, some nets and a curtain. They'd always been 58 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:32,720 up there since we moved in. We'd only been there about eighteen months at 59 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:36,800 a time. And Mum turned around to me as we pack I was packing 60 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:41,680 up the car and she said, well, Phil, Phil, make sure 61 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:45,079 you were closed up check that window and close it, okay, because I 62 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:46,680 want any When Bogel was getting in, I said, youna, no, 63 00:05:46,759 --> 00:05:50,959 boys might not go and do that. So I went upstairs, got the 64 00:05:50,959 --> 00:05:54,720 loft ladder down. It didn't hit me in the face. I was a 65 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:58,600 bonus, got up into the loft, went over to the window, locked 66 00:05:58,639 --> 00:06:01,279 it, shut it, and pulled the curtain. I don't know why I 67 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:03,399 pulled the curtain, but I did. There was nothing in the loft, 68 00:06:04,519 --> 00:06:14,040 and we went away. I came back on a Sunday anyway, go out 69 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:17,199 the car, start getting the stuff out, and instantly I heard monger Phil 70 00:06:17,639 --> 00:06:23,000 Phil the window. I told you to chut that. And I looked up 71 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:27,920 and the window was open. I thought, right, okay, that's really 72 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:32,959 weird. So and you'll get why it's weird in a minute, because I 73 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:36,839 went up into the loft checked it. As I went up the ladder. 74 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:43,959 There in the loft, I saw two birds, and I swear, I 75 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:47,199 swear two birds and their wings were crossed. They were lying side by side 76 00:06:47,519 --> 00:06:54,759 and their wings were crossed over their chests, and they looked like they've been 77 00:06:54,800 --> 00:07:00,560 there the mummified they should have been there forever. They were white. Whether 78 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:02,879 they're pigeons or I don't know, but they were white. And when I 79 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:09,879 picked them up to bury them, they were powdery. That's what I did, 80 00:07:09,959 --> 00:07:17,399 and I buried them in the garden on the same bungalow there was another 81 00:07:17,519 --> 00:07:26,680 episode where I was listening to June on the TV. So it was one 82 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:29,759 of his live concerts, and I was like kind of listening to that. 83 00:07:30,399 --> 00:07:33,240 And I was sat adjacent to some sliding doors where the patio door is, 84 00:07:33,959 --> 00:07:39,839 and the curtain was drawn and I had my earphones in and it's there like 85 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:43,279 back in the day. There's no blue tube, so long lead going to 86 00:07:43,319 --> 00:07:48,639 the TV. And I was listening to the June and Bonnie yard Dog or 87 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:55,319 Mum's dog at a time. She was sat in with La Mums in the 88 00:07:55,360 --> 00:08:00,279 bedroom asleep. All of a sudden, I heard a bang bang on the 89 00:08:00,279 --> 00:08:05,079 window. I was like, right, weird, okay. Gave me a 90 00:08:05,079 --> 00:08:09,079 hell of a start and I was like right. I instantly went, didn't 91 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:13,199 cross the window. I went over, knocked on Mom's door, said Mom, 92 00:08:13,279 --> 00:08:16,160 Mum you up, Yes, what is it? I said, there's 93 00:08:16,199 --> 00:08:20,120 someone at someone at the window. Okay, I think that someone in the 94 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:24,040 garden. There was a long garden, narrow. There was a garage and 95 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:26,759 a driveway to the left as you look down, and there was an old 96 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:31,040 folks home. I felt quite sorry for them, really, the old folks 97 00:08:31,079 --> 00:08:33,720 home on the right and side, because I used to when I was in 98 00:08:33,759 --> 00:08:35,879 the garden of the dog, I used to see the old biddy's at the 99 00:08:35,919 --> 00:08:39,159 window looking down, you know, and I thought, I don't know, 100 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:43,320 I'd love to be in the garden, you know. And anyway, so 101 00:08:43,879 --> 00:08:48,279 I said, Mum, look, just if you could just like get up, 102 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:50,759 because I'm going to go and have a little look and take Bonnie with 103 00:08:50,879 --> 00:08:56,440 us, just to check. So I got a torch and at the time, 104 00:08:56,600 --> 00:09:01,360 this was for nineteen eighties, middle is about then eighty five, I'd 105 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:05,960 say you five eighty six. And I had a all I had with me 106 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:09,720 a torch and air pistol at one seven seven air pistol. Because I thought, 107 00:09:09,759 --> 00:09:13,919 well, all right, and I thought, okay, okay, opened 108 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:24,000 up the curtain, slid back the door. All I could hear outside was, 109 00:09:24,159 --> 00:09:28,720 you know, this sounded like when cats are on heap and I making 110 00:09:28,799 --> 00:09:35,519 that cry and it's almost like a baby's cry. It was that, and 111 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:37,480 it was coming from at the bottom of the garden. It was a vegetable 112 00:09:37,519 --> 00:09:43,159 patch which was segregated off on the rest of the green lawn by a little 113 00:09:43,759 --> 00:09:48,279 cast iron gate, and we never used it for vegetables. It was just 114 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:52,080 down there. It was funny enough to wre I buried the birds, and 115 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:56,240 so I went off down towards the garden, you know, thought right, 116 00:09:56,279 --> 00:10:05,759 okay, cry and got louder. Bonnie a dog, Mum's dog just went 117 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:09,080 back into the house. Didn't want to know, just went back into the 118 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:16,639 house. And I saw Mum at the light behind her, looking down through 119 00:10:16,639 --> 00:10:20,039 the patio door, and I had the torch. I swept the torch around 120 00:10:20,039 --> 00:10:26,840 the garden. Couldn't see a thing. The crying continued, got louder. 121 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:31,039 Then halfway down the garden, a little more than halfway down, I had 122 00:10:31,919 --> 00:10:37,840 bang bang bank the fences started rattling. The side fence, both side fences 123 00:10:37,879 --> 00:10:41,600 and the bottom fence rattled like cats had hit it, but both at the 124 00:10:41,639 --> 00:10:48,120 same time. All three fences shook at the same time. And then it 125 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:58,320 went quiet, absolutely quiet. Another thing at that bungalow was or the footsteps 126 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:05,799 as well, so I would be kind of in the bedroom. I was, 127 00:11:05,919 --> 00:11:11,519 well, I must have been about eighteen nineteen, I suppose then, 128 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:18,440 and yeah, fifty seven now, so that must have been about by that 129 00:11:18,519 --> 00:11:22,639 time ish, And I was in the bedroom listening to music and you know, 130 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:33,279 trying to do some press ups unsuccessfully and I heard running in the loft 131 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:35,919 and it was coming from one side where the window was, to the other 132 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:43,639 above my bedroom. But it was running and it's quite heavy, so it 133 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:48,519 wasn't like kids footsteps. It was heavy. I went out into the hallway. 134 00:11:48,279 --> 00:11:50,240 Mum came out. Did you hear that? I was like, yeah, 135 00:11:50,279 --> 00:11:52,559 I did, it was it? I was like, I don't know, 136 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:58,600 but it's the loft. So I said, right, okay, look 137 00:11:58,639 --> 00:12:03,960 I'm gonna I've got a piss again. I got my torch. I used 138 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:11,519 the poddy stick because you've got the loft the loft door to actually prod it 139 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:16,840 up to let the latch go, and it came down. I swerved quickly 140 00:12:16,879 --> 00:12:20,320 so the ladder didn't hit me, and then I went up. As I 141 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:24,799 went up, turned the light on. Not a soul up there, nobody. 142 00:12:24,519 --> 00:12:28,120 There wasn't anything else up there. The only thing that was different was 143 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:37,120 the curtains, which I had previously closed, were open. And we heard 144 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:43,399 footsteps quite a lot, one thing Mum told me about. So we heard 145 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:46,039 the footsteps an awful lot. Got so common that we didn't really take my 146 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:50,159 shoes of them. I didn't go up again, really, because i'd been 147 00:12:50,279 --> 00:12:54,360 up about three times over the footsteps still and never sawt of thing. So 148 00:12:54,399 --> 00:12:58,720 I didn't really bother anymore. Whatever they're doing having a party. But the 149 00:12:58,799 --> 00:13:03,600 one thing Mum didn't tell me about the time until we left, and it 150 00:13:03,639 --> 00:13:07,159 wasn't too afterwards. She said, do you know, philm the one thing 151 00:13:07,159 --> 00:13:07,840 that did scare me. I said, what was that? Mum? She 152 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:13,039 said, I was coming out of the bathroom and as you come out of 153 00:13:13,039 --> 00:13:16,240 the bathroom you go into a main hallway and to the right hand side you 154 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:20,919 got a kitchen door, and then to the left hand side mother's bedroom, 155 00:13:20,759 --> 00:13:26,240 and then the next door would be my room. Front door to the left 156 00:13:26,279 --> 00:13:30,600 a bit of that, and then then a lounge. She said, I 157 00:13:30,639 --> 00:13:37,879 saw the loft, the loft door rattling. It was banging up and down. 158 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:45,120 I wasn't in at time, I was out, and yeah, so 159 00:13:45,159 --> 00:13:48,480 she she saw that, she saw and her that the loft door banging up 160 00:13:48,519 --> 00:13:52,679 and down, and I was like, wow, that's you know, that 161 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:56,279 was like kind of freaking. It had a weird feeling to it. And 162 00:13:56,360 --> 00:14:00,279 I do remember coming down there was something in the loft because I was going 163 00:14:00,279 --> 00:14:09,679 past it one evening. Ah uh right, Yeah, I remember as I 164 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:15,360 was going underneath the loft hatch and I heard a voice and the voice said 165 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:18,720 beware, Phil, beware. There was a deep voice and Phil beware. 166 00:14:20,759 --> 00:14:26,159 Anyway, we moved soon after that, and then we went to live down 167 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:31,360 in near Greenford in London, and that's when it started down there, and 168 00:14:31,639 --> 00:14:37,879 we had a masonette and that's when the it was a shadow being really. 169 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:48,440 So it was a masonette and a block of four and we had a ground 170 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:54,399 floor one and I at the time I had a girlfriend that I was going 171 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:58,320 out see a girlfriend staying over hers. I didn't spend an awful lot of 172 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:01,080 time at home with Mom. I was like out over there mostly, and 173 00:15:03,679 --> 00:15:07,960 one evening I did go over to mums and I spent like the weekend at 174 00:15:07,039 --> 00:15:13,759 mum Mums and uh, she said, you know, if I see her 175 00:15:15,159 --> 00:15:20,840 every now and then, I see like a fingo passed because what it was 176 00:15:20,879 --> 00:15:26,000 there was a hallway and between the lounge and the hallway was a glass slightly 177 00:15:26,039 --> 00:15:28,879 frosted glass door. Yeah, and then you step into the hallway bedroom on 178 00:15:28,919 --> 00:15:31,960 the left, bedroom door in front of you go down the hallway to be 179 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:37,399 a bathroom, and then the front door. And I was like I really, 180 00:15:37,399 --> 00:15:39,879 well, what was that? And she said, well, it's quite 181 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:45,960 low and it's sort of sort of like a smoke going past. I was 182 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:50,279 like, okay, that that place was always a bit creepy. I've got 183 00:15:50,919 --> 00:15:56,120 I've actually got it recorded of her mum. I recorded it what she said 184 00:15:56,120 --> 00:16:00,759 about it. And she said that a spru friend of hers came to stay 185 00:16:00,799 --> 00:16:06,000 with her and she said, you know, her mom's name was Jerry, 186 00:16:06,039 --> 00:16:08,919 and she said, you know, Jerry. She said, I like your 187 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:14,360 place, but I'll never stay here again, A mom said one. She 188 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:18,919 said, there's something wrong with it. There's something not right. There's something 189 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:23,360 bad. There's something here. And when I stayed there a weekend, I 190 00:16:23,399 --> 00:16:29,639 remember seeing just going past. Now. The thing is the light was out 191 00:16:29,759 --> 00:16:33,399 in the hallway. Okay, lounge lights were on, but the hallway light 192 00:16:33,519 --> 00:16:37,759 was off. But this thing was so dark and so black. It was 193 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:41,720 black against the dark the hallway, and it just you saw it going past 194 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:45,639 the window. It was almost like a dog. But I don't know, 195 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:52,720 it's just yeah, strange, strange. Mom pretty chill about seeing all this 196 00:16:52,879 --> 00:16:57,840 kind of in her houses or did she just get used to it. No, 197 00:16:57,919 --> 00:17:02,679 it doesn't doesn't doesn't worry her things like that, So don't don't worry 198 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:04,720 her. She doesn't make a big thing of it at all, doesn't boby 199 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:07,240 her. She's like kind of, oh, well, do a thing, 200 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:11,960 just another shadow being film. That's great, And I'm like freaking out and 201 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:15,680 she's like, right, you know, it's just one of those from Yeah, 202 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:19,400 I don't worry about it. Yeah, your bungalow. It was like, 203 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:22,599 your manifestations are quite physical, aren't they really in a way, so 204 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:27,839 yeah, at the corner of your eye, is it? It's it's yeah, 205 00:17:29,039 --> 00:17:30,319 it's just like, oh when I was a bit scared the one time 206 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:36,960 and everything is it's just you know, it did freak out. Was the 207 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:42,200 loft door banging up and down? You know, I'm just strange. Yeah, 208 00:17:42,559 --> 00:17:47,079 yeah, that is very because it's heavy, because it's a heavy door 209 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:49,400 because it's got the loft ladder above it holding it down, so it's like 210 00:17:49,599 --> 00:17:55,559 kind of quite heavy to thump up and down and just straight do you know 211 00:17:55,640 --> 00:18:00,519 what with with all the paranormal stuff that I've had, you all so get 212 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:04,359 not just paranormal stuff. You get coincidences, strange coincidences that also happen. 213 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:10,000 Get this at the bungalow. Another thing that happened was, and it's not 214 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:17,519 paranormal, but it's just a strange coincidence. Right there was we were watching 215 00:18:17,559 --> 00:18:22,000 TV. So there was Bonnie, mum's dog, Mum and a lounge, 216 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:26,839 Me and the lounge. We were watching h some game show and all of 217 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:32,960 a sudden I heard a mighty big bang out the front at the front garden, 218 00:18:33,319 --> 00:18:36,799 and I thought. My mom was like, oh, wonder, what's 219 00:18:36,839 --> 00:18:38,400 up now? And I was like, I'll go and check. So I 220 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:42,799 went out to the front garden and it's right on the road. So we've 221 00:18:42,799 --> 00:18:45,640 got a little patch of grass, and then you've got a brick wall, 222 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:51,839 a gate, the driveway gates, and then it's just pavement and drop curb 223 00:18:52,079 --> 00:18:59,599 and the road and the wall had been decimated, so it's a free foot 224 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:03,720 high wall and most of it ended up in the front garden, bricks everywhere. 225 00:19:04,279 --> 00:19:10,279 The thing is, we didn't see any broken glass from any car, 226 00:19:10,319 --> 00:19:17,240 headlamps, lenses, no tire marks. We asked the neighbors didn't see anything. 227 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:22,759 It was as if it happened, but it didn't happen. Nobody saw 228 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:26,640 it. There was no trace of anything. The police had no idea. 229 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:32,440 They said, well, we can't search for anything that hasn't been it hasn't 230 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:34,720 been damaged, or it's no damage. Then I doubt very much anyone's going 231 00:19:34,799 --> 00:19:40,519 to come forth. That was very odd. The other thing that happened at 232 00:19:40,519 --> 00:19:44,160 that bungalow really odd. I've got to just mention this was a bit funny 233 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:48,359 this one. But so Mum was in the toilet okay, and this was 234 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:59,359 another time sometime after and uh and yeah. So yeah, so she was 235 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:00,640 going to go into the bathroom. That's it. She was going to go 236 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:06,880 into the bathroom. I heard some blue lights out the front, so the 237 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:08,119 police were about and I thought, oh, there's a big thing. And 238 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:12,880 this was in Clacton on Sea. Yeah, otherwise quite quiet place, you 239 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:19,759 know, lovely for retirement and quite quiet, you know, so blue lights 240 00:20:19,839 --> 00:20:23,319 is a big thing, especially in the nineteen eighty all what's going on? 241 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:27,839 So I had a little look at the front and police officer said do you 242 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:30,960 mind, so just get back in the house, close all the doors and 243 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:33,920 windows, and I was like, right, okay, Well something serious. 244 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:41,640 So Mum came out of the bedroom and she said, I'll just go and 245 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:45,079 go in the bathroom and I was like no worries that Mum. As she 246 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:48,359 turned the bathroom light on, I heard a police officer go there, he 247 00:20:48,519 --> 00:20:52,640 is there, get him And he was crouched down below the bathroom window. 248 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:56,400 As Mum turned the bathroom light on, it lit this guy up like a 249 00:20:56,480 --> 00:21:00,480 Christmas tree. He was crouched down in the shadow and if the window down 250 00:21:00,519 --> 00:21:08,440 our side passageway. So it's just odd things, cool coincidence, isn't it? 251 00:21:08,559 --> 00:21:18,359 Just the Also in terms of Clacton though, that the paranormal significance, 252 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:23,200 the magic element there, there's it's quite a lot, isn't It's a scent 253 00:21:25,079 --> 00:21:33,920 o sifths is that correct pronouns and pronunciations, and then you have the Cage 254 00:21:33,039 --> 00:21:40,160 and Ursla Kemp and all those kind of characters and the infamous activities that happened 255 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:45,279 in Clacton. So it's almost as if it's sitting on top of a quartz 256 00:21:45,279 --> 00:21:49,799 mind. Yeah, everything seems to be really amplified there. Yeah, it 257 00:21:49,839 --> 00:21:52,359 does. It does seem to me. I think, you know, there 258 00:21:52,400 --> 00:22:00,400 is certain places that we go to and I do believe that they have a 259 00:22:00,599 --> 00:22:06,279 stronger thinner veil through that way. That's like the inward at the moment in 260 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:08,759 a thinner veil, and I think that is true. You know, there 261 00:22:08,799 --> 00:22:15,000 is a they're more susceptible for strange stuff to happen. But I also do 262 00:22:15,079 --> 00:22:19,559 have to say that I've it's a strange thing where I've met a lot of 263 00:22:19,599 --> 00:22:27,279 people and people in clacton that at the time that they don't because they don't 264 00:22:27,279 --> 00:22:33,240 believe, and they won't entertain the belief. They don't see it and they 265 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:41,119 don't experience anything. So it begs the question is it because is it biocentric 266 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:44,640 that we sort of see it and we kind of are open to it that 267 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:48,920 it happens. If I was living at Bungalow and I didn't, I don't 268 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:52,200 believe in anything like that, don't believe anything. I still think it would 269 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:56,799 happen. There is a narrative that says that it exists within the narrative and 270 00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:03,119 nowhere else. So it exists because we say it exists, and if we 271 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:04,359 didn't look for it, we wouldn't find it. So we work with the 272 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:08,559 paranormal. There's lots of fearies and studies based upon that, and then you 273 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:15,119 also have the experiments like the Flips experiment and the skulls experiment and stuff that 274 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:19,759 try and argue away like telekinesis and all that kind of jazz. But I 275 00:23:19,799 --> 00:23:26,680 think I do believe that it depends what you're more predispositioned to believe, if 276 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:30,720 you was, how you interpret it. I don't think it argues whether it 277 00:23:30,759 --> 00:23:36,240 exists or not. I just think it comes down to interpretation of whether someone 278 00:23:36,279 --> 00:23:40,279 believes it does to them. I still think it happens. You've also, 279 00:23:41,759 --> 00:23:44,640 Yeah, I was going to say what I think the word for it is 280 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:51,000 attention? Is it in? It's either attentional blindness or inattentional blindness. Yeah, 281 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:55,720 I don't know if you remember that video with the basketball match and somebody 282 00:23:55,799 --> 00:23:59,920 ran across the court in a gorilla suit and a lot of people didn't know 283 00:24:00,799 --> 00:24:06,039 because and it's like the brain does filter stuff out, So like you say, 284 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:10,759 if you're not filtering that stuff out, you're more likely to notice it, 285 00:24:10,799 --> 00:24:14,880 whereas if it's not important or relevant to you, you're filtering that out 286 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:19,960 because you're focusing on elsewhere. So perhaps that's why some people notice some things 287 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,559 that are happening, like you say, whether it's happening or not around them, 288 00:24:22,599 --> 00:24:26,079 they don't notice it because their brains filtering it out, you know, 289 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:32,200 because I'm not sure. It's probably a mixture of things, isn't it. 290 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,200 It's I think so, yeah, I think it could. I mean, 291 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:45,279 the Philip experiment was very very interesting. That was very interesting. I love 292 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:52,559 they televised it as well, and it has been so on my bucket list. 293 00:24:52,559 --> 00:24:57,160 I would love to try and recreate that. Oh absolutely, that is 294 00:24:57,319 --> 00:25:03,480 my my bucket. We create that, I know they did with our experiments. 295 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:07,200 I think there was a couple that followed and the Skulls of the Skulls 296 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:11,279 experiment essentially used the same formula, they just changed the context. So the 297 00:25:11,279 --> 00:25:15,200 Phillips experiment was there to prove that ghosts don't exist. We just projected, 298 00:25:15,759 --> 00:25:19,759 whereas the Skulls experiment took the same kind of formula to prove that they do 299 00:25:19,839 --> 00:25:25,000 exist. There's an argument four or against, but it would be really interesting 300 00:25:25,039 --> 00:25:29,880 and it would it would give us answers to things like I don't like thirty 301 00:25:30,039 --> 00:25:33,799 Strive, where you have a location where you're primed as soon as you walk 302 00:25:33,839 --> 00:25:37,359 through the door, they've got you. Watch the video of the film in 303 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:41,640 the house, it's still decorated exactly the same as it is in the film 304 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:47,079 if it hasn't changed. And then over the years there's been this character build 305 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,519 up of I think if they call it mister Happy, I think I could 306 00:25:49,519 --> 00:25:53,799 be wrong, but the Black Monk as well. So the more you investigate, 307 00:25:53,839 --> 00:26:00,200 the more of a picture paranormal investigators put to it. My argument is 308 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:04,480 is they've manifested in That's what I believe the Phillips experiment has because if you 309 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:08,359 think about the Phillips experiment, they took artifacts from where they believe Phillips was 310 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:12,039 from, they brought it all into the location. They gave him a backstory, 311 00:26:12,039 --> 00:26:15,960 they gave them a life, they gave him a mistress. That literally 312 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:22,119 what they've done for the Black Monk in Fair Strive is essentially what they did 313 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:26,000 for Philip. They kept it within that confinement of and said this is where 314 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:29,319 he's from, and this is where it looked like, and this would be 315 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,400 there. And then they even went as far as one room. I think 316 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:36,200 they've changed it now, but one room was dedicated to all evidence that was 317 00:26:36,279 --> 00:26:40,599 ever gathered in that place. So you went into a side room, photos, 318 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:45,400 media, all the advertisement for the films, everything was in there. 319 00:26:45,559 --> 00:26:51,119 So you think to yourself, what happens internally biologically, your flight a fire 320 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,200 and your ancient fear system and all that kind of jazz. So you're already 321 00:26:53,279 --> 00:26:56,880 kind of thinking, yeah, this is it. You then watch the film 322 00:26:56,240 --> 00:27:00,880 in there, and then you're surrounded by all the evidence they ever gathered there 323 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:06,920 and then manifest the spirit they communicate with, and it's always similar or the 324 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:11,119 same spirit every time, more or less. So I do feel we see 325 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,839 modern cases of it. But it would be I would it would be good 326 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,680 to be able to just give it a go. It would be very very 327 00:27:18,759 --> 00:27:22,640 interesting. It would be interesting to do. Yeah, I think that. 328 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:30,960 I believe that the deeper you look into these things, and the more you 329 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:37,279 inquire an inquiring mind looks into these things, the more it looks back at 330 00:27:37,279 --> 00:27:42,480 you, and the more it happens to you. That's a definite that does 331 00:27:42,559 --> 00:27:48,000 happen. I can concur with that one. Yeah, that definitely does happen. 332 00:27:49,519 --> 00:27:55,440 And sometimes it's you have to be careful not to go too deep, 333 00:27:56,359 --> 00:28:00,759 because sometimes you know you can. I remember another story I had which was 334 00:28:02,039 --> 00:28:07,039 the scariest that I've ever had. I would never I can honestly say I 335 00:28:07,079 --> 00:28:14,799 would never want to meet again. I was working for a garage called it 336 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,559 was I won't called I won't say the name of the garage, but it 337 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:22,720 was a BMW garage. I was working in London and it was a Chissick 338 00:28:22,839 --> 00:28:30,519 roundabout that's gone now, but and I lived down the high road in Husick 339 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:37,759 and I just got Basically, it was a bedset in a shared house and 340 00:28:40,279 --> 00:28:42,960 it was above a shop, so it was a shop on the ground level 341 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:48,480 and then three stories up and I was on the top story in a top 342 00:28:48,799 --> 00:28:57,359 bedset. So there was a grotty shower halfway up bathroom that you can imagine. 343 00:28:57,359 --> 00:29:00,519 It's kind of like, you know, everyone's used it. No one 344 00:29:00,559 --> 00:29:04,000 really wanted to watch it out shade kitchen. It wasn't great, but it 345 00:29:04,039 --> 00:29:07,000 was a base and it was near to work, so that's what count you 346 00:29:07,039 --> 00:29:14,200 know. That's what I cared about. The time anyway, one evening and 347 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:18,119 I remember it being towards Christmas time. Can't be exact, but I'm sure 348 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:26,200 it was the beginning of December and I woke up in the early hours. 349 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:34,000 Must have been a round about two in the morning. Why I know it's 350 00:29:34,559 --> 00:29:41,559 round about two is because I had one of those old fression digital clocks and 351 00:29:41,799 --> 00:29:48,519 it used to flip down the numbers used to and I think it was I'm 352 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,400 sure if I remember. It was about two o'clockish. Anyway, I woke 353 00:29:52,519 --> 00:30:00,640 up and whom was dark? Now. The layout of the room was it 354 00:30:00,839 --> 00:30:04,039 was just a bed and of them and a wardrobe to the So you walked 355 00:30:04,079 --> 00:30:12,400 through the door through from the landing. There was another bedset adjacent to mine 356 00:30:12,559 --> 00:30:18,759 across the landing, and as you walk through into my room on the left 357 00:30:18,759 --> 00:30:22,319 hand side, there'd be an old in situ. When I've got there, 358 00:30:22,319 --> 00:30:25,880 it's really there, chester drawers, two opening up doors in the mirror in 359 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:30,480 the middle, long length from her in the middle, and a bed in 360 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:36,079 them. And then to the right hand side of the bed was a sash 361 00:30:36,119 --> 00:30:40,279 window, a large sash window, and it was very high up, so 362 00:30:40,319 --> 00:30:47,119 you look down and it's like the street was way way down. And I 363 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:56,839 remember waking up and I couldn't move. I couldn't move my arms, I 364 00:30:56,839 --> 00:31:00,839 couldn't move my legs. And I looked to cross to my right where the 365 00:31:00,839 --> 00:31:08,519 sash window was, and a light coming through. It was amber from the 366 00:31:08,519 --> 00:31:11,960 street lamps, but because it was so high, it was about higher than 367 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,480 the street lamps were but you could still make out the light hitting the ceiling. 368 00:31:17,599 --> 00:31:22,319 And in the corner, excuse me, in the corner was this dark 369 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:30,799 shadow and it was like a ball as a mound, as if somebody it 370 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:38,960 was crouching basically. Then it lifted up and it was a person, and 371 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:48,480 the person had a hat, and he looked like the Pied Piper in silhouette. 372 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:56,759 Even down to June. Do you remember the Pied Pipers went at the 373 00:31:56,799 --> 00:31:59,880 outfit where it had like the skirt. I think they called it cravat crave 374 00:32:00,359 --> 00:32:04,000 or something like a skirt, even though the guys used to those days, 375 00:32:04,079 --> 00:32:07,000 used to like black headed days, used to wear like this skirt thing. 376 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:12,839 You could see that, but in silhouette form. And it walked against the 377 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:19,519 wall from the window towards the bottom of my bed and stopped. I couldn't 378 00:32:19,559 --> 00:32:30,799 move. And when I tell you that this entity emanated something beyond fear. 379 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:37,440 It was evil. It was bad. It was evil. It was just 380 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:45,559 the worst kind of feeling emanating from it. It was it was It was 381 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:52,000 just awful, it was whole. It was just. Yeah. I was 382 00:32:52,079 --> 00:32:58,039 quite young, and I kind of weed myself because I was frightened. Wow. 383 00:32:58,319 --> 00:33:06,920 And it then it stopped, and it then I knew it. I 384 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:08,880 knew it was looking at me, but I couldn't see its face because it 385 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:15,759 was all shadow. But I could feel it looking at me. And then 386 00:33:15,799 --> 00:33:20,039 it moved on, and then it went across the wardrobe, and I went 387 00:33:20,079 --> 00:33:27,799 across the wardrobe. The mirror dulled. There was a mirror, so I 388 00:33:27,799 --> 00:33:31,240 saw it dull because I could move my neck and moved my head, but 389 00:33:31,279 --> 00:33:38,039 nothing else. And then it disappeared, and I don't remember anything until the 390 00:33:38,039 --> 00:33:43,960 morning. Then I woke up. Yeah, I woke up in the morning 391 00:33:44,359 --> 00:33:53,640 and it felt like uh, and it's just I felt like I had been 392 00:33:53,759 --> 00:34:00,839 drinking all night, but I hadn't because I'd worked that day, so not 393 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:07,280 in the school night. I don't drink abused. And uh. The funniest 394 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,960 part of it was it's a bedset of all different kinds of people in it. 395 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,840 Yeah, some are okay, some I didn't know. It's complete strangers. 396 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:20,239 And in bedsit down in those days, you always knew where you were 397 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,519 because as you walk up the stairs and you see your different rooms, they'd 398 00:34:22,559 --> 00:34:29,360 have pad locks and lectures on the outside of the doors, you know. 399 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:37,119 And I always was absolutely fastidious in keeping my door locks when I was in 400 00:34:37,159 --> 00:34:43,519 there and putting a paddle on when I was out and the door was open. 401 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:49,559 So I don't understand that in the morning when you woke up the door 402 00:34:49,639 --> 00:34:55,480 was open. Yeah. Oh, and I'm fastidious. I was. I 403 00:34:55,519 --> 00:34:59,159 was like, you know, I didn't have I didn't have an awful lot, 404 00:35:00,039 --> 00:35:01,639 you know what I mean I did. There was no mobile phones then 405 00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:07,840 and things like that still, but uh, I always locked a measure locktics 406 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:13,920 I didn't know who was in the house and who wasn't anyone Oh, sorry, 407 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,119 Kerry, I know I was just going to say, did anyone else 408 00:35:16,159 --> 00:35:21,000 in the house ex I mean, I know obviously probably didn't talk to them 409 00:35:21,039 --> 00:35:25,880 too much, but did they experience anything or was that just like yeah, 410 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:31,039 yeah, the guy the guy in the bedsit next next door to us, 411 00:35:31,199 --> 00:35:35,519 so on the same landing there was another door, and then his flat that 412 00:35:35,639 --> 00:35:40,880 was there anyway, his girlfriend. He had avow of his girlfriend. He 413 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:47,239 was always having a his girlfriend always round with his girlfriend. And she she 414 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:53,960 left as she normally used to us, sort of like that, and he 415 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:57,400 said, who was that guy that came out you room? I was like, 416 00:35:58,079 --> 00:36:00,039 what do you mean? And he said, there was somebody that she 417 00:36:00,199 --> 00:36:04,039 saw someone come out in my room. And this was like, because she 418 00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:07,840 dad a vow, I didn't hear them varin As she came out of her 419 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:13,519 room, she saw some think or somebody coming out of my room and I 420 00:36:13,519 --> 00:36:15,239 said, what did you look like? She said, I don't know. 421 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:20,039 It was in the light wasn't on. There's someone coming at your room? 422 00:36:20,079 --> 00:36:22,719 Who was at I was like, I don't know who was that coming at 423 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:27,880 your room? With my girlfriend? It was like kind of but she saw 424 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:32,039 someone. That makes it a little bit more scary, doesn't it any way, 425 00:36:32,119 --> 00:36:36,239 because you can't like say, oh, it was just a bad dream, 426 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:43,199 because all these things are insular, they're they're they're really evidential only to 427 00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:47,039 the personal experience. And that's the pity of it. Yeah, but it's 428 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:54,000 kind of The feeling was the feeling that was emanating from that being was like 429 00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:59,440 nothing else, nothing else I've ever experienced or I'd want to experience again. 430 00:36:59,639 --> 00:37:04,400 And I've been to ghost hunts. I've been to I've been in woods in 431 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:08,239 the middle of the night. I've been to forests connect Chase at night. 432 00:37:09,559 --> 00:37:15,480 I've been to some really creepy places. I've never felt anything. Thank God, 433 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:20,639 anything like that before or again, I wouldn't want it. I think 434 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:27,840 I think that most everyone's got that one story when they think back to it, 435 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:31,599 it literally it's like the origin story, isn't it? And it's and 436 00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:38,000 it Yeah, but then you can't imagine experiencing that again or being in that 437 00:37:38,119 --> 00:37:43,199 moment where that would be something that you experienced. I hope it makes sense. 438 00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:47,280 I think yeah. And when you mentioned the shadow Man, so there 439 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:52,920 is this theory about the Shadow hat Man, I'm sure you've come across in 440 00:37:52,000 --> 00:38:00,519 before the shadow I have Terry Brown, who would do podcasts previously. She 441 00:38:00,639 --> 00:38:07,800 had some really terrible experiences with the Shadow hat Man and ended up writing books 442 00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:12,440 based upon him. The only experience I've ever had with him is mine. 443 00:38:12,679 --> 00:38:16,320 My daughter was about six and she got herself in a bit of a crying 444 00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:22,519 state, being quite angry, and once she calmed down a little bit, 445 00:38:22,559 --> 00:38:23,599 she had her space and she said to me, who was the man in 446 00:38:23,639 --> 00:38:28,000 the hallway? You looked like Abraham Lincoln. I was like, oh, 447 00:38:28,039 --> 00:38:31,000 I don't know. And it worn't until years later that Terry said, no, 448 00:38:31,079 --> 00:38:35,039 that's a shadow hat Man, and he isn't a nice person. Is 449 00:38:35,079 --> 00:38:42,840 a no, no, No, it's I didn't know about the entity until 450 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:50,920 afterwards because it was Bliming Valley. It was the nineteen nineties, late nineties, 451 00:38:51,559 --> 00:38:53,199 late nineties, so you know, as early days, I didn't know 452 00:38:53,280 --> 00:39:00,239 anything about I knew about ghosts, yes, didn't know anything about anything else 453 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:04,159 except really ghosts. And you know, I mean as a kid, I 454 00:39:04,199 --> 00:39:07,719 was always interested. So maybe it's because I was always open. I'd always 455 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:15,239 go running up to the library or you know when you know, when I 456 00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,760 had the chance, because it was the only point of reference to get the 457 00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:22,159 old books where you'd get there, look flick through the pages and you see 458 00:39:22,199 --> 00:39:25,679 that ghost, that ghostly figure coming down the staircase with the willow, the 459 00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:31,320 wisp material floating everywhere, and the monk by the altar, those archetypal pictures 460 00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:35,880 you find in it's those type of books, you know, Nessie I love 461 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:40,360 the stories of monsters and NeSSI and things because there was no other point of 462 00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:45,360 reference for me to go to. But I had that what it was, 463 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:50,880 really, I suppose it's always been a kind of from asking my grandmaster, 464 00:39:51,039 --> 00:39:53,000 you know, you know what went on then, you know, because she 465 00:39:53,039 --> 00:39:58,760 had like ghostly stories as well, you know, so I kind of like 466 00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:04,960 used to ask her nice to love those sort of things, tell me too, 467 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,639 young ones, you can Mum's not here, I'm not here, go 468 00:40:08,639 --> 00:40:14,880 away man. Yeah. So yeah, but and that naturally brought me onto 469 00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:24,760 things like uh, cryptids and stuff like that, you know, and the 470 00:40:25,119 --> 00:40:30,880 finding these finding these structures out in the woods when I've been going out with 471 00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:38,239 my dogs, and then going onto YouTube and finding the other structures which are 472 00:40:38,519 --> 00:40:45,719 thousands of miles way in another country, exact same symbols structures x'es ys, 473 00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:57,719 tps. I love, thought, Ashold, when did you start finding the 474 00:40:58,159 --> 00:41:00,079 structures in the forest? And is this a real thing for you? Or 475 00:41:00,199 --> 00:41:04,440 is this been going on for a little while now? This has been going 476 00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:09,360 on for about two years, about two years now, so not mammoth big 477 00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:15,480 time in a long time. But and then I decided, right, okay, 478 00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:16,840 if I'm going to do this, I'm going to sort of do it 479 00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:23,679 properly, and I'm going to get some good recording gear, good camera gear 480 00:41:24,159 --> 00:41:31,679 and some software and try and capture one. And when I started my YouTube 481 00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:38,159 channel, and yeah, started that, and I've gotten quite lucky. I've 482 00:41:38,519 --> 00:41:49,880 managed to get quite a few videos of things like they call it type one 483 00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,119 dog man, which looks more like a big dog pointy years. You know 484 00:41:52,239 --> 00:42:01,960 Anubis, the Egyptian neubas. I've managed to capture that tree. Most recent 485 00:42:02,039 --> 00:42:07,239 one was at Campbellwell Cemetery, old cemetery. I'm sure you know about that. 486 00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:16,719 I was there, and so it's another thing. They're tricksters in a 487 00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:22,400 way. All this paranormal business, there was an element of trickster to it. 488 00:42:23,119 --> 00:42:28,360 I was recording and I was like, there're an EVPs. Because I 489 00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,800 thought, well, i'm here, it's very old graveyard. I thought I'll 490 00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:34,800 do a few EVPs as well, so I was calling out. I then 491 00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:39,440 managed to catch an EVV and it sounded robotic, very odd. I've had 492 00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:43,440 a lot of EVPs, but not one like this. So I put it 493 00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:46,039 on a video and I said put it on TikTok as well, and I 494 00:42:46,079 --> 00:42:49,599 gave a shout out and I said, look, if anyone knows what this 495 00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,760 voice is saying, and let us know, no one can discern what it 496 00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,679 says. But they said, definitely it's a voice, and definitely it's quite 497 00:42:55,679 --> 00:43:01,159 deep and robotic, and it's right by my shoulder. And then I went 498 00:43:01,199 --> 00:43:06,039 through the video, reviewed it, edited, it, and then I spotted 499 00:43:06,079 --> 00:43:14,760 something and it was like where it was like a wolf type entity, but 500 00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:20,719 it came out of came out from behind the gravestone, went along and then 501 00:43:22,039 --> 00:43:25,199 you know predator. When when the predator cloaked itself and you can see the 502 00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:29,679 background, but you can see the outline of predator but you can still see 503 00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:32,679 it against the background of the bush or the jungle. It was like that, 504 00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:37,639 and it cloaked itself, but you could still see it on film, 505 00:43:37,679 --> 00:43:42,320 the outline of the dog. It was a big dog, big shouldered as 506 00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:46,840 well. So that was quite an interesting find. So what made you think 507 00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:52,039 when you first found the structures in the forest and what made you think that 508 00:43:52,159 --> 00:43:58,639 it could be not human made? Or did you just think that it was 509 00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,960 people and then found out later that it may not have been, or did 510 00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:08,920 you idea first? Yeah, I saw, I saw the structures and I 511 00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:14,920 thought, right, okay, now I know with bushcraft then they use what 512 00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:20,800 the course bud to we stripped to basically shape the wood, basically the branches, 513 00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:25,239 so they shave it and mark it and some are quite obviously yeah they're 514 00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:35,440 man made, and okay, you know then it wasn't until I started looking 515 00:44:35,639 --> 00:44:40,159 for evidence of cryptids in the woods and forests. So I went in deeper. 516 00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,000 I'm not going to stick to the footpaths. I'm going to go off 517 00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:49,480 the footpath and I'm going to go onto the rough terrain see what I can 518 00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:53,440 find. So I went onto the rough terrain and I walked and hiked with 519 00:44:53,559 --> 00:44:59,880 the dogs an hour, hiked two hours. Then I came across in the 520 00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:07,039 rain, off the path two hours in the forest, these structures. Then 521 00:45:07,079 --> 00:45:09,920 I found a large X and the symmetry of the X, and it was 522 00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:17,599 the X was put together with the trees, but the trees had been lifted 523 00:45:17,679 --> 00:45:23,159 up from the ground, leant up against each other to form an X in 524 00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:32,679 the sky. Evidence that as well strange arrows and wires that I found, 525 00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:38,880 they are placed in a particular manner, which is not a natural dead fall 526 00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:45,480 for wood. They're not natural fall of a branch. It's too symmetrical. 527 00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:52,840 It's too carefully placed to be in a thing, but placed by hand by 528 00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:59,760 something. Then I saw the these tepees and these structures, and do you 529 00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:06,280 know what, I thought to myself that I couldn't get in one. And 530 00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:12,360 if it's bushcraft hy enough, don't they cover it up with ferns, or 531 00:46:12,639 --> 00:46:19,320 compact it with wood with leaves and mud to make it waterproof. If it's 532 00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,239 a hide, you'd want it to be waterproof or windproof at least, or 533 00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:29,119 you'd want to cover it up with soda. Prey like deer don't see you 534 00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:35,280 so easily. But these things aren't. These things almost look like they almost 535 00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:45,639 look like they're interweaved branches interweaved into each other into a structure, some which 536 00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:59,360 look like an Indian TP with sometimes no entrance and no exit to them. 537 00:46:59,639 --> 00:47:05,159 They have been found with things like number plates. Can't number plates inside them, 538 00:47:05,599 --> 00:47:12,360 but no entrance, no exits. Yeah, so you get like almost 539 00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:17,559 like I wouldn't say gifting, but you get things inside them. And this 540 00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:21,519 is like an hour and a half, two hours into the forest. It's 541 00:47:21,559 --> 00:47:25,280 a long hike, so kids could be kids, but with kids really go 542 00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:31,199 that deep into a forest, it's quite scary anyway, Yeah, likely doesn't 543 00:47:31,199 --> 00:47:37,039 it really? To be fair? No, I have asked as a girl 544 00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:43,280 that I know, I work with her funny enough, and she's a leader 545 00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:50,000 of the ACF, which is the Army Cadet Force. And I said to 546 00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,960 her, I showed the photos and videos and I said them, do you 547 00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,559 make it? She said, oh, yeah, yeah, we make shelters 548 00:47:54,599 --> 00:47:58,920 like that. Yeah. Sometimes yeah, but we we do cover them up. 549 00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:04,480 We would like made them walls proof, but they're not ours. I 550 00:48:04,519 --> 00:48:07,320 was like, oh, I didn't think it be yours. I just wondered 551 00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,840 if you'd She said no, because with the Army Cadet Force, the whole 552 00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:19,440 ethos is leave no trace, So we always take any shelters down afterwards. 553 00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:22,920 Yeah, because you think most bushcraft is like that, isn't it. It's 554 00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:30,119 about we're there, so like to go to that effort to put the structure 555 00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:35,480 up and then just leave it. Like you say, the entrance way. 556 00:48:35,559 --> 00:48:38,239 If it is a bushcraft type thing, you want the entrance because the idea 557 00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:44,400 is that you're going inside it exactly. Yeah, and you'd want it so 558 00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:47,280 that it's comfortable inside, so that you don't have to get So it's been 559 00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:51,599 raining and muddy. You don't want to get on your hands and knees to 560 00:48:51,679 --> 00:48:54,239 get into a structure in the mud. You want to so okay if you 561 00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:57,920 bend down, but you don't want to get any hands and knees when you're 562 00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:01,360 in it. You don't you want to be able to maybe stand up these 563 00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:06,679 things. You can't. It's as if they're made for something to curl up 564 00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:13,719 into. Okay, on the ground. Another odd thing I found with these 565 00:49:14,039 --> 00:49:24,039 is there's always usually burning inside, like the wood has been the wood has 566 00:49:24,119 --> 00:49:31,440 been exposed to some kind of energy force which has burnt the wood on the 567 00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:37,639 inside so much so that on videos you can see me where I've picked a 568 00:49:37,679 --> 00:49:45,559 piece of the wood off and it's just the very surface of the branch and 569 00:49:45,599 --> 00:49:51,400 it's gone to charcoal. But there's no scorch marks at all on the ground. 570 00:49:51,639 --> 00:49:55,159 There's no fire on the ground, those scorch marks, no leaves which 571 00:49:55,159 --> 00:50:00,079 are burnt, nothing, It is just the wood which has been expose I 572 00:50:00,199 --> 00:50:07,719 believe to some energy, high energy force or field. I was gonna say, 573 00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:13,079 as well, have you I assume you've never seen footprints and things either, 574 00:50:13,079 --> 00:50:15,519 because I mean, being in the woods with the modern stuff, you 575 00:50:15,519 --> 00:50:22,159 don't expect to see people you know, people you know. Yeah, No, 576 00:50:22,599 --> 00:50:27,039 I've seen I've seen what could be construed as footprints. I've seen footprints, 577 00:50:27,159 --> 00:50:31,440 quite large ones on a number of occasions. I haven't taken cast because 578 00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:36,679 I didn't have any plaster Paris to take a cast. But I have taken 579 00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:39,719 photos and videos of it with my foot up against it to show the size 580 00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:46,119 difference. Uh yeah, yeah, but no, that is a good that's 581 00:50:46,119 --> 00:50:52,119 a good point, though. You know I've not I've not seen I've seen 582 00:50:52,079 --> 00:50:57,400 in cannec Chase. I took a video. Once again, I didn't mean 583 00:50:57,519 --> 00:51:00,639 to capture this. It just happened and appeared. It wasn't until I edited 584 00:51:00,639 --> 00:51:05,280 the video afterwards and you kind of scrutinize it. You think, my god, 585 00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:09,280 what's that. It looks like a bird taking off from a bush, 586 00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:16,239 very bright. But then when I slowed it down and expanded the picture, 587 00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:22,599 you can see what looks to be a big foot type creature. But it 588 00:51:22,639 --> 00:51:27,480 looks that bird taking off is not a bird taking off. It's like a 589 00:51:29,519 --> 00:51:32,639 light saber it's throwing. For want of a better expression, it looks like 590 00:51:34,079 --> 00:51:37,920 it looks something like it's throwing something that's lit, a light saber. That 591 00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,639 sounds odd, but yeah, on a video, it looks like that. 592 00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:46,119 I have a couple of the videos I saw of you you posted. I 593 00:51:46,119 --> 00:51:50,440 think there was one with a there was one with a deer, and there 594 00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:54,559 was a man nearby, and there was something with it you like orange eye 595 00:51:54,639 --> 00:52:05,880 things. And I was like, whoa, what's that? Yeah, that 596 00:52:06,079 --> 00:52:08,320 was I was with the dogs and I put it on a video. What 597 00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:13,760 happened? That was I was walking the dogs and I had a video going 598 00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:17,199 because I normally have one or two cameras on the go all the while at 599 00:52:17,199 --> 00:52:22,480 any one time. So I was recording, and all of a sudden, 600 00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:28,920 both the terrier's got quite elderly. Now I've got Ruby and Baz, and 601 00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:31,719 they're both Jack Russell's but basils some half a Chua. So it can be 602 00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:36,559 a bit funny, but blesseds are it is lovely. And all of a 603 00:52:36,599 --> 00:52:40,440 sudden they went a bit nutty. They went, they were they got what's 604 00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:47,199 the words aggravated, they got, we're so scared, but I'd say confused. 605 00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:51,559 They went around the circles. So I thought like, okay, all 606 00:52:51,599 --> 00:52:53,440 right, I've got one tangle the leads because I had them on lead at 607 00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:57,679 the time, so I both like, so thought I untangled leads because they're 608 00:52:57,679 --> 00:53:01,519 sort of like get me in a muddle. So untangled that got myself sorted 609 00:53:01,599 --> 00:53:10,360 out and got back onto the filming. Now, at that point I looked 610 00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:21,159 at the camera and I saw this old, very bright, reflective gold colored 611 00:53:24,199 --> 00:53:30,880 entity standing by some deer. Originally, before the dog started freaking out, 612 00:53:30,559 --> 00:53:36,480 I saw. I was just concentrating on photo filming some deer. Love animals, 613 00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:42,239 so I was like filming a deer and a lovely dreer, and there 614 00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:45,920 was brilliant because there were a great point of reference. Another good point of 615 00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:50,039 reference was this log by the side of them. And then the dog started 616 00:53:50,079 --> 00:53:52,840 playing up. Then I took the camera down and I started shooting again. 617 00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:58,719 Thank goodness, the deer was still there in frame. Then all of a 618 00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:02,880 sudden, by this log, it just appeared this golden statue, for want 619 00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:07,639 of a better term, this golden entity was there, but very when I 620 00:54:07,679 --> 00:54:10,360 saw it. It doesn't do it justice on film. It's very very when 621 00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:15,760 I saw it. My eyes very reflective, really reflective. So I got 622 00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:21,719 that on camera as well. I don't know what that was, but center 623 00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:24,960 dogs a bit natty. Do you do you think that the dogs react like 624 00:54:25,119 --> 00:54:29,639 round the structures and things as well, or you know they rum me to 625 00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:31,960 for you to let you know something's happening, or is it just are they 626 00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:36,360 a bit random? They're a bit random, to be honest, they're a 627 00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:39,599 bit random on the newer structures. They on the newer structures, they won't 628 00:54:39,599 --> 00:54:44,039 go in. You know, I know an older structure to a newer one. 629 00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:47,039 So a newer built structure if I will go into a forest and like 630 00:54:47,159 --> 00:54:52,480 kind of a go off track, if it's a newer type structure. What 631 00:54:52,559 --> 00:54:58,039 I do is I take a temperature reading. So I take an ambient temperature 632 00:54:58,039 --> 00:55:02,679 reading of the ground outs, and then I take a temperature reading with a 633 00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:08,360 laser thermometer with the ground inside the TP. There's always a newer one. 634 00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:15,239 There's always about one to two degree differential in temperature. It's cooler inside the 635 00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:28,679 TV always, which you could put down to maybe it's shaded, so yeah, 636 00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:32,920 might be that in our ones that it could be that. But I 637 00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:37,639 have also got a K two meter because of my ghostbusting days. So I 638 00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:45,320 get the K two meter out and the younger tps and the younger structures, 639 00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:51,800 the ones which look like they haven't long been up always quite high MF reading 640 00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:55,679 on it. So where the fluctuations there? Yeah, and I video that 641 00:55:55,719 --> 00:56:00,159 as well. I try and be as open book policy about my videos as 642 00:56:00,199 --> 00:56:04,159 possible, so I film myself doing it and if it doesn't come up with 643 00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:07,400 anything on the earth. I showed it doesn't come up with anything, but 644 00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:12,559 I tried. Yeah, it's better to be open book like that than not, 645 00:56:14,199 --> 00:56:16,039 because then, like you say, you get a baseline as well, 646 00:56:16,079 --> 00:56:21,239 and then people can around and say your cherry picking because you can't go, 647 00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:24,360 well, this one didn't have this one on the majority I am finding. 648 00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:30,960 Yeah, that's exactly. Yeah, if you don't need vps around near the 649 00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:37,039 structures at all, if you tried, yeah, yeah, yeah, A 650 00:56:37,039 --> 00:56:43,039 couple of times I have. Yeah, there was one which was but you 651 00:56:43,079 --> 00:56:45,440 see, I don't know, if I don't know. I think the robotic 652 00:56:45,519 --> 00:56:50,840 sounding voice I got in Camberwell Cemetery, I think that was possibly a dog 653 00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:54,000 man. I think that was the entity, because they do, they do 654 00:56:54,159 --> 00:57:00,760 voice mind speak to you they're meant to I haven't heard that, yeah, 655 00:57:00,599 --> 00:57:06,639 unless it was that that I heard on film, but then it was caught 656 00:57:06,639 --> 00:57:08,800 on film as well, so I don't know. But yeah, normally I 657 00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:14,079 do catch you up, not often twice so far, three times with the 658 00:57:14,079 --> 00:57:22,679 Camberwell Cemetery. But then you're talking about places that I go to where I 659 00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:35,840 also see a lot of witchcraft symbolism Blair witch type stuff in the trees, 660 00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:42,320 figures made out of sticks, yeah, type of things. Yeah. So 661 00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:53,039 yeah, yeah, it's like, why am I doing this? I think 662 00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:57,880 I think the best advice anyone can give is if you see anything hanging in 663 00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:05,679 the trees, don't touch it. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. 664 00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:15,960 Luckily I didn't take that home. I didn't know. Yeah yeah yeah yeah, 665 00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:19,800 but you find some sort of yeah, I mean on a lot of 666 00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:23,280 ghost hunts. I've been on the ghost hunt recently last October and this was 667 00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:30,800 at north Wield. At north Wield railway station, they've done a ghost was 668 00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:36,639 organized one and uh so they sat set out a doll. I got on 669 00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:39,280 video as well. They set out a doll which was a really if they 670 00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:50,159 tried to get the world's most creepiest doll you know, which was vempods basically 671 00:58:50,639 --> 00:58:57,920 yeah, vempod do and this guy who like runs the ghost tour, he 672 00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:01,320 must have got the creepiest doll ever. So they stuck it on one end 673 00:59:01,519 --> 00:59:08,679 of this old redundant railway carriage that is meant to have been very very haunted. 674 00:59:09,559 --> 00:59:15,840 So got on a video where as soon as as soon as it started, 675 00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:17,280 what happened was the door at one end you know, they got the 676 00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:22,639 door going through from one carriage to another. You heard it. You can 677 00:59:22,679 --> 00:59:27,360 hear it closing so bang sharp. But then what I went through, because 678 00:59:27,599 --> 00:59:30,920 you know, it's kind of just a closed door. But then the dole 679 00:59:31,519 --> 00:59:37,360 was placed by that door that instantly got set off. So the dole, 680 00:59:37,519 --> 00:59:42,480 when you see the video, starts rocking as if it's on a rocking horse. 681 00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:46,159 At the same time, it's singing a rhyme, and the rhyme is 682 00:59:46,199 --> 00:59:51,840 the most god awful, creepiest rhyme you could ever want to hear in your 683 00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:55,880 life. So I freaked out because I didn't expect this doll to sound quite 684 00:59:57,079 --> 01:00:02,199 like that. But yeah, you could hear the door and then this went 685 01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:08,480 off. But a little while later there was some good at a lot of 686 01:00:08,519 --> 01:00:13,719 them. I was the one up by the door, and the rest of 687 01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:17,119 the gang was down the other end of the carriage. But they heard the 688 01:00:17,199 --> 01:00:25,280 growling down their end of the carriage, like a deep, throaty growl. 689 01:00:28,239 --> 01:00:31,400 I can't do it, actually, I gave up smoking yws ago. But 690 01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:37,800 yeah, real throaty, throaty growl down the end of the carriage, which 691 01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:42,480 I film was really odd, very odd. I didn't get that on the 692 01:00:42,519 --> 01:00:45,599 film. It didn't come out on the audio. Well that's that would have 693 01:00:45,599 --> 01:00:50,400 been a good man. That would have been brilliant. That would have been 694 01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:52,239 so good, because I mean the whole thing is I think, like with 695 01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:57,360 you guys as well, it is a case of evidencing all of this. 696 01:00:58,159 --> 01:01:00,199 Yeah, because a lot of people people, oh, you know, they 697 01:01:00,679 --> 01:01:05,559 even I don't believe in it. The bunket, No, you can't be 698 01:01:05,679 --> 01:01:08,719 right. And you know what, I'm open to the fact that yes, 699 01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:13,000 okay, right, not all of it, and I put my hands up, 700 01:01:13,039 --> 01:01:15,400 not all of it and some of it, yeah, okay, could 701 01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:19,960 be other stuff going off. It could be my imagination I do for the 702 01:01:20,039 --> 01:01:30,719 dam but I know there is something there. And I know that we see 703 01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:35,800 stuff. We know we see stuff, we hear stuff. There is something 704 01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:45,800 then people. It's funny people that do experience this always have the same always 705 01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:52,360 have the same way of them almost kind of, I mean always they've almost 706 01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:57,039 got that same like thousand yards there, that same look. You just know 707 01:01:57,280 --> 01:02:00,360 they have seen the stuff. They know it, they've seen it, you 708 01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:05,079 know, and there's and we're just out there trying to evidence it, you 709 01:02:05,119 --> 01:02:09,719 know, for ourselves. Of anyone else just for ourselves. Yeah, I 710 01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:15,119 agree, and I'm sad to say that we've come to the end. What 711 01:02:15,239 --> 01:02:19,199 a wonderful place to finish. Oh, no, to the end of our 712 01:02:19,239 --> 01:02:22,360 show. Okay, I've got lots more, you know. Okay, not 713 01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:28,079 a problem. We are always open. You can always come back, and 714 01:02:28,079 --> 01:02:32,880 we're quite happy to. Oh that'd be great. Yeah, with the only 715 01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:38,360 part wat chapter one, I'm going to end up with a doesn't guess on 716 01:02:38,559 --> 01:02:47,719 rotation. At this rate, we're like we want story is running back saying 717 01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:52,280 wow, yeah, no, that'd be great to come back. Yeah, 718 01:02:52,599 --> 01:02:54,880 yeah, you girls lovely, Yeah, would be lovely. Thank you, 719 01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:59,800 thank you, thank you. So so before we do finish, you've told 720 01:02:59,880 --> 01:03:04,880 us a bit about your YouTube. Where can people find you, how can 721 01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:07,760 they watch you? And how can they get in touch if they want to 722 01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:10,840 share some of the evidence that they've got. Okay, well, my email 723 01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:17,880 address is it's I'll say it like a police officer. It's Keilo oscar Tango 724 01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:30,480 dot Papa Juliet at hotmail dot co dot UK, so dot pj at hotmail 725 01:03:30,519 --> 01:03:37,360 dot co dot UK. My YouTube is dog Man TP hunting. Also put 726 01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:43,840 words dog man TP hunting and I've got a podcast. Well, what I 727 01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:46,880 tried to do was I tried to sort of put all of my kind of 728 01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:52,320 stories down on podcasts so that you know, kind of it's always there, 729 01:03:52,960 --> 01:04:01,480 you know. So that is the Interdimensional Voyages podcast, which is just separate 730 01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:06,159 words, the Interdimensional Voyages, and that's yeah. Email you can if you've 731 01:04:06,159 --> 01:04:13,360 got anything which you know you'd like to share ghost wise, dog men wise, 732 01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:16,880 whatever, or you just want to have a chat something that's worrying you. 733 01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:23,199 You know, I've got yeah, tons of I can drone on forever 734 01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:28,000 about my experiences. You know. Then that's fine as well. You know, 735 01:04:28,639 --> 01:04:34,880 we'll here to help each other, you know. Thank you, thank 736 01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:39,599 you so much, and we encourage you. Welcome touch and we look forward 737 01:04:39,639 --> 01:04:44,280 to chatting to you soon. So once our show is live, we will 738 01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:47,320 also post any links and anyways of being able to contact for you as well 739 01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:53,480 directly. And he's actually a member of the seventh Sanctum Private Group as well, 740 01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:56,519 share some videos in there, so you want to welcome to go along, 741 01:04:56,760 --> 01:05:00,480 get joined in and have a look and chat there as Oh yeah, 742 01:05:00,599 --> 01:05:03,960 so thank you. I'm going to say good night, good morning, hello, 743 01:05:04,199 --> 01:05:10,960 goodbye. Thank you so much for joining us. And we will see 744 01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:14,360 you next time. Thank you very much for having me all right, take 745 01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:15,840 care of you. The thank you