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Weird things happened in the weird weird
weird. Wow, guys, welcome to

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Bledso sets. So this is an
idea of ours, particularly Nick, that

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we've had to have the wonderful Marina
Manano on our show. She's been uh

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I guess I could say a listener
of bledso setto for what a year or

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two years now? Yeah? Really
early on, and she has been a

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member of our Patreon discord and has
on numerous occasions schooled us in the benefits

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and the seriousness of yoga, coming
hot off of our h pathetic uh not

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serious exposition on yoga and yoga is
a muscle and our video. But I

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wanted to read you guys some of
the awesomeness that is Marina, author of

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the Gift of Healing Hands, doctor
Marina Mangano. Am I saying that right?

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Yeah? Mangano is a chiropractor that
holds special certifications in acupuncture and yoga

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instruction. Watch out, she'll poke
youa. She uses her social media platform

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at Cairo Yoga Flow to share her
passion for combining yoga philosophies with traditional healing

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techniques. I actually wrote that myself
about two minutes ago. No just kidding,

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Marina sent me that, but cool, So welcome to the show.

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It's it's crazy to be on this
end of the listening audience, right.

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We knew internally that it would happen
eventually, and it's just like the time

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is now. You know, it's
such good timing for you know, everything

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we've been going through. So how
have you been? Really good? Yeah,

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really good. This has been a
really new kind of summer for me

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and in blending in new motherhood and
congrats, yeah, thank you about that.

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I know it was fun to share
with everybody in the Patreon just like

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some of that progress and you know, we talked so much about all the

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spirituals were learning, so that was
quite the experience to h to add into

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that group. That's amazing. Real
quick, right off, Rip, you

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had to give our yoga video like
a one out of ten? Uh,

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yoga expert, what was that?
What we do? We are we scoring

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for effort or Yeah about a score
on effort and a score on knowledge ten

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per ten on effort or impressed,
and uh, we'll go with We'll go

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with an eight out of ten application. How about that? That's that's really

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generous, super super generous and you
know it, but that's very generous.

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That's the thing though, is like
you can be really stiff and really purist

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about yoga and it's not going to
you know, share the wealth of knowledge.

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It's not going to ask people to
get involved. So exactly what you

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guys were doing. You kind of
have to go in feeling like an idiot,

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and you have to be able to
laugh at yourself and just not take

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yourself so seriously to get started because
it's an excavation process and the first time

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is not pretty. That's a really
cool thing I feel. I feel that

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way about so many things in my
life, Like if I'm starting something new,

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there's always that beginning thing of like, yeah, I look like a

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total idiot, right, Like I
don't, I have no clue what I'm

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doing, right. But I think
that's like the barrier that you have to

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break through, like so many people
have to break through, you know,

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in order to learn new things.
You have to Some people will never even

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start. They'll just hit that point
and be like I want to look like

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an idiot, so I'm not going
to do it. But we did look

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like idiots and it was a lot
of fun. I think asht your tone,

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and you're the culture of this show. Very well. Thank you.

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So actually I'm excited because I had
no clue that you did acupuncture. I'm

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very interested in acupuncture. I've had
it done, so we definitely are gonna

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have to talk about that. But
before we get into, you know,

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yoga and acupuncture, I wanted to
ask you, how did you find out

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about us, the show, the
story, all of it. Yeah,

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so you probably won't have too many
people respond like this. My mom sent

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me your show, he shout out
him, him, Mama, Megano.

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We were I was just chatting with
her a couple of weeks ago about like,

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what was the show that you sent
me? You know, I think

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it was early like maybe The Matrix, maybe Alice in Wonderland. My mom

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is just this like proprietor of information, and she's a seamstress. While she's

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always working at home, she's got
something going on in the background. It's

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like very probably much more versed in
your world of like experiencers, but she's

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just been so inundated from my end, like the healing end of you know,

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esotericism and occultism and things like that, that she's like, Hey,

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I think I think these guys are
for you, like you should take a

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listen. You know, some of
like the pop culture references goes over her

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head at that age. But yeah, so my mom got me started on

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and I've been listening to you guys
ever since. It's so cool. That's

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amazing. Wow. So what was
she into the whole occult mysticism stuff first,

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or did she just like happen to
find us, Like, you know,

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it's pretty rare that we hear about
people being raised under mysticism, But

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was that like, was that like
your gig our family kind of took a

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nice like spiritual journey together, which
is really fascinating to look back on.

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I was raised Catholic, and you
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of like Irish Italian, like a
lot of you know, folklore and myths

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that blent into religion. You know, you don't really separate them here,

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Marina, Yeah, like what those
myths are? Those folklores? Oh,

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you know, just like little things
that you just it's second nature, like

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praying to saints or little Irish sayings, especially I live on an island.

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We grew up at the shore,
so you just kind of look up at

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the sky and you're like red sky
at night, so there's delight, you

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know, like all these little like
just like adages and things like that that

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half of them like wives tales,
you know, like did I learn medicine

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or did I learn wives tales from
my mom's superstitions? Yeah, exactly.

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Then No, when we all I
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my family kind of journeyed out there
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time that we all kind of lost
our foundation, our roots for where we're

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from. But we found spirituality and
you know, my more on the healing

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side, and my family moved to
Arkansas and just like weird stuff happens there.

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Just like really like what the the
they're in northwest Arkansas, and I

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think like they'd be better describing it, but I think it's like most of

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the foundation is there's some kind of
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of this, you know, geology, geography, and you know, we

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could go crystal mining if you want
there, but there's I think like she

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just had some really odd experiences and
you know that's kind of in the bubble

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of like big Footland. So you
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just like some interesting experiences at home. I think it got her on this,

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like listening to youtubees and you'll laugh
at this, Ryan, she always

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says like full names like oh my
buddy Jim Simmavan, and like, I

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have no I have no idea who
these people are. And I'm like,

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Mom, just because you say their
first and last name, that's not helping

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me. Because on the show,
Yeah, because she listens to them,

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but she calls them her buddies.
So she probably had known of your your

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dad's story. And you know,
I'm very grateful that she listened to the

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temper many of you guys and sent
me away because I think there's so many

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people our age that this has been
a natural path for you know, we

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all have like different details of our
stories, but we're all landing upon the

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same epiphanies. Yeah, that's an
awesome way to put it, because it

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feels like that. Especially lately,
I've had like I don't know what's going

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on, like astrologically or whatever,
but it's it's been a weird couple of

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weeks. The synchronicities have been through
the roof. I am seeing like angel

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numbers everywhere, and then I don't
know it just seems the past couple of

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weeks have been super positively transformative,
maybe even like more like like a month

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and a half, and oh my
gosh, that's that's genuinely one of my

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favorite things about doing this is people
reaching out to us and like, hey,

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you know, this is my first
introduction to like spirituality or or even

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like, hey, I grew up
in a really traumatic kind of religious situation,

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and this is like helping me like
find positivity both inside and outside of

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that. Those are those give me
life like those messages me in the world.

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We could maybe get into that with
some yoga as we Yes, please,

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I'm ready, I'm so ready.
Yeah, yeah, that's amazing.

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Okay, So did spirituality bring you
to yoga or was it more like you

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started the yoga and realized like,
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you would think that, but really
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something and you know you found what
you're looking for, or you know,

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as I started to fall into yoga
more, I'm like, oh this is

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it. Okay, Yeah, I
think within I was learning so much about

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the body. But when you're in
school, you have to be like,

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you know, very robotic answer the
tests, like even if it doesn't feel

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like a human interaction anymore, I
would personally go to yoga like to start

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to keep my mind really still and
just not you know, handle the stress

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of medical school. And so through
learning those four years of chiropractic with also

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yoga, they kind of started to
overlap. I don't really know where one

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ends anymore and one starts. That
makes perfect sense. They're both really focused

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on symmetry, alignment, you know, balancing your tone so you can handle

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the you know, it doesn't like
we can't remove the negativity of our life,

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but we can improve our resilience to
our response to it. I wanted

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to ask you a question that was, like I say, simple, Like,

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you know, I imagine there's a
lot of people who listen to the

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show, and you know, we
cover a huge range of topics. We

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don't talk about yoga that frequently.
So like, I'm just going to assume

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that everybody except for you, is
a layman. So like my question,

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there's video evidence, Yeah, definitely
layman. Yeah, I wouldn't call it

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expertise, But like my question is
framed as simple as possible, because I

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believe the answer is not simple.
Why is yoga sacred? Why is yo

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yoga spiritual or rather how how?
Yeah? Yeah, I always say yoga

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is almost like arrested, like it's
a menu, like when you go that

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day, if you need a hamstring
stretch, it's a hamstring stretch. It

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can be on the scale up to
an enlightening experience if that's what you want

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from it that day. So I
think, you know, most people will

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really start in the physical realm when
they meet it. Not many people walk

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in and have that, like whoa
full blown sacred experience the first time?

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That was me, Like you did
physical stretch? No, no, no,

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I didn't Like I used to believe
it was just stretching poses, you

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know, right, yes, yeah, yeah, it's just like the progression.

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I think I've heard you talk about
chakras and things like that, like

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we can definitely get to it,
but there's a reason that they're described as

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like an ascending process. We have
to all star are in this very physical,

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lowest realm, not meaning bad,
just primitive to work up to these

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I you know, same movements could
have a completely different effect on somebody who's

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been doing it for twenty years or
someone who did it the first stay you

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could be doing the exact same movements, breathing the same way, but because

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they're so experienced and tapping into a
part of themselves, they just get to

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these higher realms so much faster.
So, but for some people, healing

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a knee pain that they've had for
thirty years is secret. Oh absolutely,

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that's a good point, you know, if it's been keeping them out of

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like the life that they love,
just the first time they feel like no

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pain when they've been their need that
you know, who might to quantify qualify

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what that is to them. Yeah, absolutely, I think about it like

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just just in my limited understanding,
it's like, you know, it's no

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secret we're really into as above so
below, right. So it's like,

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you know, when we so to
speak, when we kind of like tick

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all the physical realm here, you
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spiritual practice or some you know,
yoga, it's it's like it's it's also

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like tickling the spiritual realm, right, you know. And like the way

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that I've been made to understand it
is that yoga. It's it's it's like,

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is yoga Ayurveda? Are they one
and the same or are they are

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they? They are sisters sciences to
each other. So in Indian medicine,

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like more the internal chemical ciclic component
that's going to be Iurvedic. Okay,

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Yeah, the actual practices and intentions
that's going to be the yoga. My

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understanding of yoga is it's like we
are in the physical realm, we're putting

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our body into shapes or we could
say poses that mirror some sort of harmonious

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energy in the spiritual dimension. Does
that make sense? Is that is that

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all based the just like you know, like you said, some of these

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poses are named mountain and they're not
always you know, natural based poses.

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There could be like animals or embodiment
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off the top of a head,
I'm thinking, like you know, temple

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and pyramid. They're not necessarily you
know, natural living things, but they

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come with this understanding that when you
step into one of these places, you're

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going to feel like blank, or
you want to prepare yourself like blank.

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So when we create these poses,
you can just flop through them really fast

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in class if you want to focus
on your hamstrings. But when you get

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to a certain intention, like you
can really feel the mindfulness that goes into

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pretending to be these shapes and then
hopefully feeling strong and stable like these shapes.

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Wow, that's interesting. How do
you feel about Moodra's Moodra is,

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Yeah, we I mean, I'm
a chiropractor too, so I love hands

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Italian chiropractor, so definitely no moodra
is. I mean, I'm so And

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I mean I've been a practitioner for
yoga teacher for about it's probably seven six

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years now, and I've even just
skimmed the surface of mudras. You know,

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every religion has different like you know, Benedictions style of mudras. Everybody's

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got prayer hands, right, They've
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But you know, if he could
just look at it, like in

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a neurological standpoint, you're you're touching
different pathways, You're waking up little pockets

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of your brain telling your body where
you are in space depending on what you're

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touching. Love that whoa, Yeah
that was deep. So uh it sounds

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to me like you know, because
right I had heard from Brian uh that

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that part of the spiritual nature of
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like you put your body in those
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realm. But it also sounds like
yoga and meditation are like married practices or

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closely related or something to that effect. Is that right? Yeah, And

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this actually may answer your question earlier
too a little bit better. Ryan,

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when you're when you go to a
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so different. There's a lot of
different styles and variables. But one of

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my trainings it's called Vinyasa yoga,
and it just follows a certain template that

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it's going to go through a sequence
of poses, and there's this really beauty

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to class that it's like this full
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which I think everybody kind of recognizes, like you're at you're on your knees,

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you're sitting, you're in child's pose. You stay really close to the

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ground. As you start to build
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into more new knee poses, you
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class that's going to be like what
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whether you know it or not.
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pose of the class, or at
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whatever you've been doing, working your
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the last thing is often a meditation
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posts. So it's like you've finished
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through and see things about yourself and
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the mat. You know when you're
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yoga, it was me and my
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and it was awesome. It was
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course, like a month after we
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we did is corpse posed just like
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you're just full laying her back,
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ask you to relax your feet.
Hi. Yoga is tough because you're just

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laying there and you're sweating and you
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focus in your mind because there's like
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so good afterwards, though, Oh
you feel amazing. And we did,

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like the instructor had like sacred frequencies
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things like that, and like a
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oils in it. I think it
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like that, and everybody got one
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and then we did like a ten
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first time being like, wait a
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time realizing there was a spiritual aspect
to yoga. I had always thought it

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was just like stretching, like I
have a bad back, I need to

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stretch, you know whatever. But
what did you We're able to actually we're

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able to like turn off your mind
and let that sink in or how did

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the meditation go? Yeah, my
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it's it's pretty it's pretty easy for
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but yeah, it just kind of
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same time. For the past like
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had been like very intentionally trying to
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been trying to get better and better
at it. So that was a very

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welcome surprise. I was like,
oh, okay, okay, I have

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a little bit, I have experience
with this. Yeah, the other stuff

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stuff I don't know, but I'm
comfortable with just sitting down and close my

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eyes. It's great they gave you
the time for that. You know,

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some classes are like, oh,
shivasana, and then like two minutes later

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they're like, hey, have a
great day. Yeah, it's not like

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that's not it's not the focus of
that style or studio. But like you

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just have to keep trying and find
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an evening class. It's just like
leads to it a little bit better than

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instead of the morning of like all
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today, like let's get this going. Yeah, I see that for sure.

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this is just a hot yoga thing. Well, honestly, yoga is.

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but before the meditation, I was
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It was like a serious workout.
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like exerting myself and getting like exercise
that buzz immediately afterwards, it shuts off

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my brain anyway, Like I have
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the time, and working out or
exercising is one of the things that turns

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it off. So I noticed like
it was really easy for me to get

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into like a semi meditative state because
I was already kind of buzzing off of

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that exercise. So it was a
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the heck out of it. I
need to get back to it absolutely.

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asanas, which is the physical practice
of yoga, were designed to make your

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body stronger, you know, to
improve your endurance for sitting oh wow,

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long sitting long meditating. So you
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barriers in your mind, or work
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or class, you're like, oh
this is dumb, wim I'm here,

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and you know, we're not sitting
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but that was the true purpose of
you know, breaking up the stagnant pockets

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in your spine so that when you
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you had this just like really open
antenna. Wow. Okay, so then

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they've been they've been married from the
start, then, yeah, that's incredible.

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Yeah. My intuition about yoga is
like it's it's much older than we

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think. I mean, the you
know, Hinduism, if I can recall

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correctly, Hinduism is the oldest recorded
religion on a mankind, and it's estimated

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to be five thousand plus years old. And it's like they've been doing these

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kinds of practices, you know,
since since five thousand years and most likely

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beyond. And like I feel like
yoga, I feel like there's a few

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key esoteric sciences they cross over into, like that Atlantean wisdom. I feel

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like I feel like there's something deeper
to yoga here, and it's like something

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like we are truly the microcosm of
the macrocosm. And I believe it's possible

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that you know, whether it's mudras
or specific yoga poses, or maybe there's

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even phrases. There's there's verbal phrases
that people can speak that are like ancient

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wisdom that have a secret power behind
them. And I wanted to say I

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didn't want to cut in, but
my introduction to yoga was a little bit

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different because like I knew there was
something spiritual to it, but I was

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coming from a Pentecostal Christian background,
where like when I was younger, my

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pastor said, don't do yoga,
don't do anything to get you into a

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trance, because it'll let them demons
in. You know, you know what

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I mean. And then we had
members of the CIA coming around to our

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house, you know, you guys
all know the story and recommending to Dad,

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like, hey, you should really
consider yoga, particularly kundalini yoga.

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I was gonna ask what that was
the question. I had to say it

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tonight for my mom. My mom
was like, please ask what was the

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question? She was like, what
is the style of yoga that they all

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referenced. They all say that you
know, they get them help them like

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remote view and things like that,
and they all say like a style of

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yoga, but they don't name it. So I assumed it was, but

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yeah, and they started recommending that
to us, and it's like, whoa

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wait a minute, I've never heard
of this, and that kind of like

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caused me to be fascinated with yoga. I don't practice it every day.

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I don't practice it regularly, but
it's like, you know, that doesn't

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mean we can't believe it doesn't work
right, No, and not at all.

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You're it's meant to come back to. I think there is a time

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where it's really beneficial to create some
regularity with it, because that way you

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just start to understand your baseline.
You understand your mental baseline, your emotional

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baseline, and like how your body
speaks to you. And if I can

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offer anything to everybody about yoga,
like as as a movement provider, that's

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it. All of these potential really
old wisdoms and like magical wisdoms you're describing.

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I think the gift of having a
human body is to feel with it,

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to experience with it. So the
baseline for me came from yoga in

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a sense that I was like,
oh, I thought I was this really

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athletic person. I thought I was
good, and I can't even sit in

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pigeon pose, you know, which
is like a really deep hip opener,

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and it made me just remember all
of my old surgeries and fears and so

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like the stuff that comes out of
you, the physical experience that are offered

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by learning where your baseline is that
I would recommend just trying to come back

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to every once in a while,
because then, let's say you've took a

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year off of yoga, the first
time you get into a pose, you're

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like, who I've I've been doing
it myself, you know kind of thing,

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and night there. I think Nick
you said earlier, there's a barrier

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that people will just like stop going. I think guilt is one of the

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highest reasons to not get back to
yoga because people don't want to see how

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far they've fallen off. Oh wow, that's interesting. I love what you

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just said. By the way,
like the greatest gift of the human body

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is to feel, because like spiritually
that I don't know, it's like that's

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the only reason that we are here, you know what I mean, is

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to feel. I believe that,
you know, if you believe that we're

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all like these little pieces of this
like eternal energy or whatever energy doesn't like

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see things, or taste things,
or feel things. But that's the gift

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of the human body. I love
the way that you phrase that. That's

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so cool. Oh thanks, Yeah, that was one of the things that

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kind of inspired me writing the book, The Gift of Healing Hands. It

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sounds like I'm talking about my gifted
healing hands, but really I'm talking about

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that you. Everybody has the ability
to kind of learn more about their body,

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how their body is speaking to them. What you just said, like,

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we may not all be like I'll
put it in right, you know,

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in rhyme and bloods sets this term. We may not all be like

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visual experiencers. But when you're in
the presence of something like way greater than

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you people who are really attuned to
their body, that you can feel changes,

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you can feel shifts. So the
more that you have some type of

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organized movement practice to get all of
the humanness and like the you know,

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the negativity of life office, I
think you just are, you know,

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have less less barriers to that.
I think it was ton top there you

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go. I think I was tongue
tied a few minutes ago. I said,

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that doesn't mean we can't believe it
doesn't work. I think I meant

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to say, it doesn't mean we
can't believe it does. Work hard to

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clear that up. But Marina,
when we were on the phone the other

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day, just kind of like touching
base. You have talked about how you

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had some anecdotes about, you know, situations where through your practice you've you've

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found you know, people have recovered
from things, and we didn't get into

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detail about that, but I would
love to hear some of your experiences where

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you've like live witnessed people releasing traumas
or healing certain illnesses and anything you can

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think of in that regard. I
would just love to hear about that.

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Yeah, if everyone's not like super
we talked about being a layman and yoga

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still to this day, chiropractic is
still you know, a little bit out

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there for people. My job is
to assess the movement of your joints,

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so not just your spine, but
I'm looking at the whole body to see

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how you move, how your brain
speaks to everything. So my chiropractic yoga

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practice really started very physical. I
just care you know, people only come

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to you when you're in pain usually, so it starts as like chasing pain

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and then I just started having these
like really interesting experiences where, you know,

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I was practicing in Oklahoma, I
may say, so, you know,

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you're in the center of the Bible
belt. I could really be careful

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with my verbiage, right. You
gotta like know who you're talking to.

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You ask them up front, like
what's your faith system? Like before I

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start spewing. People just really put
a lot of power and belief down there,

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religion or not belief. So I
could, you know, be the

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best doctor in the world. But
if someone was dead set that no,

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you know, Jesus put his handle
me on Churts on Sunday, and that's

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why my back pain's gone. I'm
just happy that they're feeling better, you

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know, just kind of move on. But you know, my very physical

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practice started to blend into more of
what I'll call like emotional pain practice.

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I was discovering that these patterns and
people were coming up like certain sayings like

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oh, you know, I feel
stabbed in my back or something like these

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metaphors, and I would at the
beginning, it was very embarrassed to ask

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people like, hey, when you
said this started last week, Like did

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you have a fight with somebody?
You know, there's this a sense of

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betrayal or it took me many years
to feel comfortable to have these conversations.

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But then when I knew that it
was related and that it was relevant,

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now I just get right to it. First time I meet somebody, if

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they mentioned this like crazy stabbing pain
they woke up with two days ago,

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I'm going to ask, and I
will say some of the combination, like

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you're asking some stories. You know, physically, when you get adjusted,

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it can be a little jarring,
right You're you're waking up. Yeah,

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yeah, you're you're disrupting a joint
capsule and you're waking up the neurology right

407
00:29:52.039 --> 00:29:56.720
there, there's a lot of chemicals
that come out and like amplifies every sensation.

408
00:29:56.880 --> 00:29:59.799
So people can already just be a
little like before for a second.

409
00:30:00.079 --> 00:30:04.279
But now with my experience, I
know that if you do not address the

410
00:30:04.400 --> 00:30:11.640
emotional story in an injury in an
area before you adjust, it does not

411
00:30:11.799 --> 00:30:17.079
always go so well and interesting.
Yeah, but in early practice, I've

412
00:30:17.079 --> 00:30:19.319
one time adjusted this woman like I'm
trained to do in school. Nothing.

413
00:30:19.440 --> 00:30:22.720
It was very safe everything about it, But I didn't have that, like

414
00:30:23.079 --> 00:30:26.519
I didn't trust my intuition yet so
I kind of just rushed it. She

415
00:30:26.599 --> 00:30:30.079
wanted to be crunched. People will
say like, oh, can you go

416
00:30:30.240 --> 00:30:33.799
fast? And I adjusted a part
of her spine and she, you know,

417
00:30:33.920 --> 00:30:37.440
her legs shot up. It worked
in a chiropractic sense. But she

418
00:30:37.559 --> 00:30:41.799
started crying. She like it's like
she's like I think, you know,

419
00:30:41.839 --> 00:30:45.599
I don't feel good, and but
I just like watched her like kind of

420
00:30:45.880 --> 00:30:48.799
ride it out. And I mean
maybe in my mind, like a new

421
00:30:48.839 --> 00:30:49.960
practitioner's mind, is like the end
of my life. But you know,

422
00:30:52.039 --> 00:30:55.920
maybe fifteen seconds went by and she
just settled down the table, was like,

423
00:30:56.640 --> 00:31:02.119
I feel open, like something,
you know, some space in her

424
00:31:02.519 --> 00:31:04.319
that she had forgotten she could talk
to, or that her brain forgot to

425
00:31:04.359 --> 00:31:11.119
take control. Was there. We
became, you know, doctor impatient for

426
00:31:11.279 --> 00:31:15.559
you know, years after that and
have sealed whatever portal. I just punched

427
00:31:15.640 --> 00:31:23.240
through the door, and ye our
way kinder ways to release those sort of

428
00:31:23.279 --> 00:31:27.599
things. And you know, back
in that early time. Another crazy story

429
00:31:27.720 --> 00:31:32.279
was a young woman who had just
had a baby and maybe saw me like

430
00:31:32.319 --> 00:31:37.480
a couple of months after and I
was just guiding her verbally through visualizing her

431
00:31:37.599 --> 00:31:42.480
delivery, and she sat up and
projectile vomited in my office. What No,

432
00:31:45.440 --> 00:31:49.799
So that is an example of rushing
somebody, of trying to like remove

433
00:31:51.160 --> 00:31:55.720
an emotion from somebody who was not
ready to process it. Yet she didn

434
00:31:55.799 --> 00:32:00.680
knock him back as expected. Gosh, and I of the people you still

435
00:32:00.720 --> 00:32:05.319
think about many years later. But
no, I would know how to make

436
00:32:05.359 --> 00:32:08.240
her feel way safer in her body. You know, discuss certain things that

437
00:32:08.319 --> 00:32:12.640
I get this intuitive sense come out
of her, and then you know,

438
00:32:13.200 --> 00:32:16.880
take her through a little mini meditation, a little guide and meditation. You

439
00:32:16.960 --> 00:32:20.920
know, there's many times it's just
like simple movements like whoa, my shoulders

440
00:32:20.960 --> 00:32:25.039
heart For six years after this conversation, now it doesn't or that kind of

441
00:32:25.039 --> 00:32:29.720
stuff, But I would say those
are the craziest like eye opening early experiences

442
00:32:29.839 --> 00:32:36.119
that changed my direction of chiropractic is
amazing. There's a lot of amazing manual

443
00:32:36.240 --> 00:32:40.519
therapies, but something was going on
and I needed to like learn a deeper,

444
00:32:40.599 --> 00:32:45.480
more intuitive practice and that was yoga
for me. Wow, whoa,

445
00:32:45.759 --> 00:32:52.359
that's fascinating. So then it sounds
like there's also some sort of relationship between

446
00:32:52.160 --> 00:32:59.599
the spiritual or the emotional, and
it is. It is the word chira

447
00:32:59.720 --> 00:33:07.799
pre her practicing no is like this
the like the delivery. Yeah, gotcha,

448
00:33:07.039 --> 00:33:12.519
gotcha. Yeah, it seems like
there's some relationship there because I mean,

449
00:33:13.359 --> 00:33:16.400
you know, do they teach you
in in school that that there's an

450
00:33:16.440 --> 00:33:22.480
emotional relationship with those things or is
that something that you intuited school has to

451
00:33:22.720 --> 00:33:29.039
teach you like very you know,
research, reproduct you know, things that

452
00:33:29.079 --> 00:33:32.720
they can reproduce and research, you
know, very insurance based science. Yes,

453
00:33:35.160 --> 00:33:37.480
certain schools are a little bit more
philosophical than others. They've got roots

454
00:33:37.519 --> 00:33:42.519
in like a little bit. When
I was a student, I was really

455
00:33:42.559 --> 00:33:45.240
hard headed. I want nothing to
do with like the woo woo. So

456
00:33:45.400 --> 00:33:51.480
I always just here you are and
here. I think it just like took

457
00:33:51.839 --> 00:33:54.880
after you graduate and you get set
free, like you know, I allowed

458
00:33:55.039 --> 00:34:00.559
myself to be like a woman healer, not a not a man practical like

459
00:34:00.599 --> 00:34:07.599
I was taught to be. So
that's awesome that I like that fascinating Yoga

460
00:34:07.640 --> 00:34:09.960
to me feels like an internal massage, you know what I mean. Like

461
00:34:10.760 --> 00:34:17.599
my wife and I actually she's right
here, say hi. She and I

462
00:34:17.760 --> 00:34:22.760
got into a practice for a while
back in what the Fall, The Fall

463
00:34:22.960 --> 00:34:27.119
Jimmy Winter. We got into a
few months, we were going to yoga

464
00:34:27.199 --> 00:34:30.760
every week and it was hot yoga
and I can't remember the terms, but

465
00:34:30.840 --> 00:34:36.199
the terms you said earlier, what
is it visanna vnyasa. Yes, it's

466
00:34:36.239 --> 00:34:39.960
like that style, like you were
explaining exact movement and it's a little more

467
00:34:40.039 --> 00:34:44.840
brutal, and you know, by
the end you're like you're begging for death.

468
00:34:45.480 --> 00:34:50.920
But I want to say afterwards,
I always felt like the equivalency of

469
00:34:51.000 --> 00:34:52.639
how it feels when you get a
massage on your muscles. It felt like

470
00:34:52.679 --> 00:34:58.519
that on the inside, like there's
there's there's definitely there's definitely like an immediately

471
00:34:58.639 --> 00:35:02.039
therapeutic effect from doing Maybe that's because
it was hot yoga and the heat combined,

472
00:35:02.079 --> 00:35:05.760
you know, loses muscles. I
don't know, but it felt amazing

473
00:35:06.199 --> 00:35:09.639
and I wanted I was just gonna
say, but my first time ever doing

474
00:35:09.719 --> 00:35:15.960
yoga many many years ago, probably
eight years ago at this point, I

475
00:35:15.280 --> 00:35:22.079
had this session and they were the
instructor was explaining there's this muscle down here,

476
00:35:22.199 --> 00:35:27.079
like in your hip region, called
the soas muscle that stores trauma,

477
00:35:27.639 --> 00:35:30.519
and they were making us do this
stretch and I don't remember how to do

478
00:35:30.599 --> 00:35:31.880
this stretch, but I was just
curious on your take about that, like

479
00:35:31.960 --> 00:35:36.400
about the sas muscle, if it's
if there's anything to that doesn't really store

480
00:35:36.440 --> 00:35:39.559
trauma. Have you seen any experiences
where people have actually like cried when they

481
00:35:40.199 --> 00:35:43.480
do you know what I'm saying.
There's this like viral TikTok trend right now

482
00:35:43.519 --> 00:35:45.679
where they're like stretcher so as muscle
and they're recording themselves crying and stuff,

483
00:35:45.920 --> 00:35:50.079
like what's your take on that.
What's a deep muscle? So that could

484
00:35:50.159 --> 00:35:55.519
make anybody cry if you get in
there there. So a specifically is part

485
00:35:55.599 --> 00:36:00.480
of like your very deep core line, So a line of muscles that is

486
00:36:01.400 --> 00:36:06.719
string attached all the way from like
the outside your temple all the way down

487
00:36:06.840 --> 00:36:13.360
through to the arches of your feet. So it goes through all of our

488
00:36:13.400 --> 00:36:16.400
deepest levels of tension, you could
say. So like when people are nervous

489
00:36:16.599 --> 00:36:21.800
or have potentially some you know,
traumas, like you're calling it, some

490
00:36:21.880 --> 00:36:25.320
PTSDs will the body will try to
look for stability, So maybe you clench,

491
00:36:27.280 --> 00:36:30.280
maybe you clench your butt, maybe
you suck in your stomach, maybe

492
00:36:30.320 --> 00:36:36.000
you hold your breath. There's a
lot of these clench sites along this deep

493
00:36:36.039 --> 00:36:40.119
core line. I wouldn't say the
so is specifically is the king of storing

494
00:36:40.199 --> 00:36:45.679
traumas every cell in your body.
I believe ken right right. I think

495
00:36:45.800 --> 00:36:51.639
most people, just in our modern
movements, we don't we walk forward,

496
00:36:51.760 --> 00:36:54.679
bike forward, jog forward, sit
in a forward facing position. So the

497
00:36:54.760 --> 00:36:59.400
so is just tends to get super
tight. Yoga is one of the only,

498
00:36:59.519 --> 00:37:04.280
like weird different planes of motion that
wakes us up and breaks us open.

499
00:37:05.239 --> 00:37:08.400
So hip classes will bring some good
stuff to the surface. That's for

500
00:37:08.559 --> 00:37:15.159
sure interesting. But you think the
trauma stored all over the body? Oh

501
00:37:15.320 --> 00:37:20.159
yeah, yes, it's in the
DNA. Bro. It's deep in there

502
00:37:21.119 --> 00:37:23.760
as it is in DNA, and
it's just thinking about like we always talk

503
00:37:23.760 --> 00:37:27.000
about vibrations on the show, right, And I say, wait, because

504
00:37:27.039 --> 00:37:30.199
you know I'm always here, You're
with us. Hey, I'm listening.

505
00:37:30.360 --> 00:37:34.119
I'm talking to you in my mind
all the time. And you go tell

506
00:37:34.119 --> 00:37:37.559
your mom she's our buddy. Yes
I will, She'll be listening for sure.

507
00:37:38.079 --> 00:37:42.000
Yeah, you just talk about like
you said a macrocross on a microcosm

508
00:37:42.039 --> 00:37:45.480
earlier. Every little cell in our
body has its own perfect little environment of

509
00:37:45.719 --> 00:37:52.840
charge around it. That's why we're
this huge accumulation of hopefully a synchronized system

510
00:37:52.920 --> 00:38:00.400
of charges. When you have a
event that offends that charge, it can

511
00:38:00.519 --> 00:38:07.760
leave the cells in that area hypercharged
or lacking and looking for to latch onto

512
00:38:07.880 --> 00:38:12.719
other charges to balance it. So
we can get real nitty gritty, but

513
00:38:12.719 --> 00:38:20.320
I'll keep it simple. Your body
saves memories of moving with the emotion that

514
00:38:20.440 --> 00:38:24.480
it affiliates the movement with. You
might have to explain that one yep for

515
00:38:24.679 --> 00:38:30.159
nick, I got it, I
got it. Well I'm not okay,

516
00:38:30.480 --> 00:38:35.960
really I need to hear the part
of your brain and I won't get into

517
00:38:36.039 --> 00:38:37.599
that, but the part of your
brain that's I got a psychology major,

518
00:38:37.639 --> 00:38:40.679
so I actually would really like to
hear the part of your brain. Okay,

519
00:38:42.360 --> 00:38:49.119
the amygdala, the the limbic system, the limbic system of the brain,

520
00:38:49.920 --> 00:38:52.960
and a couple of different different things. But the limbic system is where

521
00:38:52.960 --> 00:38:59.559
it's going to store our memories.
Our memories tied to the emotion that we

522
00:38:59.639 --> 00:39:05.880
experience during the memory. So that
can get really it's it's a normal process.

523
00:39:05.920 --> 00:39:09.000
It's super helpful for us. But
if you when you roll your ankle,

524
00:39:09.039 --> 00:39:12.559
as is the easy example explain to
patients, like when you rule your

525
00:39:12.599 --> 00:39:15.639
ankle. All these things go through
your head right like shock, shame,

526
00:39:15.960 --> 00:39:21.760
humiliation, maybe because someone just washed
you fall off the curb every time now,

527
00:39:21.880 --> 00:39:24.239
even when your ankle's not feeling you
know, sore. Every time you're

528
00:39:24.400 --> 00:39:28.239
you start to roll your ankle again, all these bread flags go up to

529
00:39:28.280 --> 00:39:30.440
the brain like whoo woo, woa, we didn't like what happened last time.

530
00:39:30.440 --> 00:39:35.320
You better stop real fast so it
shortens your muscles and doesn't let you

531
00:39:35.360 --> 00:39:39.039
go. That way, you can
get this burst of humiliation and shame for

532
00:39:39.119 --> 00:39:42.280
no reason. You could just be
like sitting at your desk, like I

533
00:39:42.400 --> 00:39:45.800
just walk to get water. What
happened? So yoga is like the ultimate

534
00:39:45.880 --> 00:39:51.360
opportunity to put yourself in extreme positions
that you haven't maybe done a long time,

535
00:39:52.400 --> 00:39:57.239
and a lot of those memories come
up. Wow wow, that makes

536
00:39:57.280 --> 00:40:01.519
a lot of sense. Also,
it's cathartic, it's lots of grass.

537
00:40:01.599 --> 00:40:07.000
Then you just like you have to
feel it. That's just the easiest way

538
00:40:07.119 --> 00:40:10.519
to not take someone's word for it. You know, learning about your bodies

539
00:40:10.599 --> 00:40:15.159
step one, But then someone kind
of has to show you where you know

540
00:40:15.280 --> 00:40:19.159
you have this belief in your body
it can be changed and then you feel

541
00:40:19.199 --> 00:40:22.159
completely different. You're like, oh, now I believe you. Yeah,

542
00:40:22.199 --> 00:40:27.480
well, I think you have a
particularly interesting point of view because you you're

543
00:40:27.559 --> 00:40:32.039
I mean, you have all of
this medical history and then now you you

544
00:40:32.239 --> 00:40:37.079
marry that with yoga, like you've
You've said multiple things in this interview,

545
00:40:37.239 --> 00:40:42.800
like you know, was it would
you say the soas or soa as the

546
00:40:42.880 --> 00:40:46.559
muscle going from the top all the
way down to the bottoms of your feet,

547
00:40:47.079 --> 00:40:52.800
and it's you're always moving forward,
you're sitting forward. And that's why

548
00:40:52.079 --> 00:40:58.599
yoga like stretches and breaks that it
helps you stretch that thing that doesn't get

549
00:40:58.679 --> 00:41:04.159
stretched very much. I mean that
alone is like, you know, it

550
00:41:04.320 --> 00:41:07.400
clicks in my mind. I'm like, oh, that's why. And then

551
00:41:07.559 --> 00:41:14.519
also what you just said with traumas
being related to specific motions and how being

552
00:41:14.599 --> 00:41:19.880
in extreme positions can break that,
Like I knew that talking to you was

553
00:41:19.920 --> 00:41:23.320
going to be profound, but I
mean it's like I'm it is fully clicking.

554
00:41:23.400 --> 00:41:28.679
Now. I've always felt like this
vague. I don't know the thing

555
00:41:28.719 --> 00:41:31.000
about yoga where I'm like, it's
awesome, I get it, but I

556
00:41:31.039 --> 00:41:38.000
don't like fully understand, like how
why yeah, yes, And now I'm

557
00:41:38.079 --> 00:41:44.840
getting it. I wanted to share
two I'm sorry, I wanted to share

558
00:41:44.880 --> 00:41:47.800
two little anecdotes with you. So
my grandma, she'll be ninety in just

559
00:41:47.880 --> 00:41:53.360
a few months, and she's she's
very healthy for for a woman of her

560
00:41:53.400 --> 00:41:55.519
age. I mean, I'm telling
you, she really gets around and like

561
00:41:55.639 --> 00:42:00.119
she would shock you. She doesn't
have any underlying illnesses or anything like that.

562
00:42:00.239 --> 00:42:02.760
And she's she's pretty darn good,
great shape for an eighty nine year

563
00:42:02.760 --> 00:42:07.760
old woman. And one thing that
ever since I was a child, that

564
00:42:07.880 --> 00:42:10.320
she has always bragged me about and
she still will do it to this day.

565
00:42:10.760 --> 00:42:13.719
Shit Well, I mean I say
brag, it's more like, look

566
00:42:13.760 --> 00:42:15.800
what I can do, you know
what I mean, not brag, but

567
00:42:15.760 --> 00:42:20.840
she'll she'll reach right down and she'll
touch her toes. And I got that,

568
00:42:21.599 --> 00:42:23.840
Yeah, she can still do that. She could touch her toes.

569
00:42:24.320 --> 00:42:28.920
And that got me to thinking,
like, you know, my grandma's eighty

570
00:42:29.000 --> 00:42:30.320
nine. Is she's so proud about
how she can touch her toes. I've

571
00:42:30.400 --> 00:42:34.079
never met anybody else her age be
able to just get down and do that,

572
00:42:34.199 --> 00:42:37.119
and and it got me thinking like
maybe there's something to that. Her

573
00:42:37.159 --> 00:42:40.119
whole life, she's she's made it, you know, like back then when

574
00:42:40.159 --> 00:42:43.199
we were in school, it was
like you gotta do the toe touches at

575
00:42:43.239 --> 00:42:45.440
the physical exam and pete, you
know what I mean. I think maybe

576
00:42:45.480 --> 00:42:49.960
her generation was encouraged to do that
more. Maybe I'm just making that up

577
00:42:50.000 --> 00:42:52.639
in my head, but I know
that my grandma has been doing this her

578
00:42:52.639 --> 00:42:54.880
whole life as just a general daily
practice. Gets out of bed and touches

579
00:42:54.920 --> 00:42:58.800
her toes, and I'm like,
you know, she's probably stretched. It's

580
00:42:58.840 --> 00:43:02.360
not yoga, but she's wretched so
much of like her hamstring, her calves,

581
00:43:02.400 --> 00:43:07.360
her lower back, and it's kept
her loosen, limber and pretty healthy

582
00:43:07.440 --> 00:43:10.000
and lively. And I got to
think, and there's something too that there's

583
00:43:10.039 --> 00:43:13.639
got to be so in the past, like I don't know, a month

584
00:43:13.760 --> 00:43:15.760
or two. I don't do it
every time, you know, every time

585
00:43:15.800 --> 00:43:17.320
we shower. We're not always just
like have all the time in the world.

586
00:43:17.360 --> 00:43:21.199
Sometimes you're in a rush and you
gotta go. But like in those

587
00:43:21.239 --> 00:43:22.239
times when I'm like, let me
just chill for a minute and take a

588
00:43:22.280 --> 00:43:28.519
shower, might be TMI, but
whatever, grow up. Not you guys

589
00:43:28.599 --> 00:43:30.800
the ones out there listening that might
think it's TMI. I'll let the hot

590
00:43:30.880 --> 00:43:36.440
water run, and you know,
I'm usually playing Solfeggio's in the shower now

591
00:43:36.559 --> 00:43:39.239
in addition to like every night when
I sleep, I have this waterproof jblung.

592
00:43:39.400 --> 00:43:43.000
I hang it on my like my
little soap rack, and I just

593
00:43:43.119 --> 00:43:46.079
I play frequencies in the shower and
I boom it too, like I'm showering

594
00:43:46.119 --> 00:43:49.559
not only in water, but in
frequencies, you know, And I'll let

595
00:43:49.599 --> 00:43:52.400
the hot water run, and I
just like I'll just like slowly just not

596
00:43:52.559 --> 00:43:57.519
just like touch my toes, but
I'll just like stay there for the heat

597
00:43:57.679 --> 00:44:00.519
in the water and the moisture and
the frequencies and just like stretch as long

598
00:44:00.559 --> 00:44:05.599
as I possibly can. And I
have to say, it feels incredible.

599
00:44:06.000 --> 00:44:08.880
Yeah, I feel like it has
been a practice that I will never quit.

600
00:44:09.039 --> 00:44:13.360
It just feels so amazing, like
from like that internal massage we were

601
00:44:13.400 --> 00:44:15.880
talking about. Yeah, there's a
couple I mean, of course, like

602
00:44:15.920 --> 00:44:19.079
you got to be in like a
safe place, a safe warm up whatever.

603
00:44:19.159 --> 00:44:22.360
I can't just like they say this, but usually when I when I

604
00:44:22.400 --> 00:44:24.480
would teach classes and I would get
people that I could see them like and

605
00:44:24.719 --> 00:44:31.079
there's a couple of poses like that
are steep forward folds that people usually bail

606
00:44:31.159 --> 00:44:35.920
from. I know they've been prepared
for it, so it's safe. And

607
00:44:35.960 --> 00:44:38.920
I would usually say when you want
to get out, stay for five breaths.

608
00:44:42.320 --> 00:44:45.320
Could you explain that again for Nick
again? Yeah, I think that

609
00:44:45.480 --> 00:44:51.239
your forward fold in your shower,
which also that is a marriage decision to

610
00:44:51.480 --> 00:44:57.199
allow you to play salvagi frequencies like
that. Well, what would you feel

611
00:44:57.199 --> 00:45:00.280
like, Oh my gosh, turn
Well, she's not in the shower every

612
00:45:00.320 --> 00:45:07.320
time, some like Bryan shower.
Oh well, it's in the shower.

613
00:45:07.440 --> 00:45:12.719
Sometimes I do shower alone. But
but and also I did want to say

614
00:45:12.840 --> 00:45:15.360
this. This is a yoga pose
that I learned. I think it's like

615
00:45:15.440 --> 00:45:17.719
you don't reach out with your fingertips
and touch your toes, but you actually

616
00:45:17.760 --> 00:45:21.920
like fold your arms up like this
and just freely hang. Are you familiar

617
00:45:21.920 --> 00:45:25.800
with that one? Amazing? It's
amazing. Yeah. So deep flexion,

618
00:45:25.880 --> 00:45:31.079
which means bending forward like that,
is the most pull on your nervous system.

619
00:45:31.880 --> 00:45:36.480
So when you back bend and you
go this way, it's more of

620
00:45:36.559 --> 00:45:38.760
like a joint compression. But when
you really bend into a ball, you're

621
00:45:38.880 --> 00:45:44.000
like pulling on that nervous system.
And if the nerves don't slide very well

622
00:45:44.079 --> 00:45:46.840
through your muscles, your fashion,
maybe a joints blocking something from sliding,

623
00:45:47.280 --> 00:45:51.320
your body's going to tell you about
it. So it sends out these alarm,

624
00:45:51.440 --> 00:45:52.920
these alarms. It says, WHOA, what are you doing? We've

625
00:45:53.000 --> 00:45:57.239
gone too far? Stay you know, stay here or get back out of

626
00:45:57.280 --> 00:46:00.559
it. And I can see people
start to shake or like you can tell

627
00:46:00.599 --> 00:46:05.199
they're not breathing anymore. They're not
actually experiencing the benefits. And I would

628
00:46:05.199 --> 00:46:08.840
say, hey, close the eyes, stay for five breaths in and out.

629
00:46:09.480 --> 00:46:13.320
Yep, five breaths at you or
max. You know, obviously,

630
00:46:13.400 --> 00:46:19.880
don't hurt yourself, but it's in
your mind so often that you're approaching discomfort.

631
00:46:19.960 --> 00:46:23.400
And we do not like to be
uncomfortable. But that's where a lot

632
00:46:23.440 --> 00:46:29.239
of the changes are made in those
just like five, you know, close

633
00:46:29.320 --> 00:46:32.639
to your barrier, close to your
mental barrier. And then the breath is

634
00:46:32.800 --> 00:46:36.760
like what I describe as like could
the control all delete of a computer?

635
00:46:37.639 --> 00:46:42.559
Wow? The breath tells yeah,
the breath resets the neurology. And it's

636
00:46:42.639 --> 00:46:49.079
just the bridge between the systems that
we can control, like muscles like bending

637
00:46:49.559 --> 00:46:51.960
and the systems that we don't have
to think about. You don't tell yourself

638
00:46:52.039 --> 00:46:53.599
to breathe when you're sleeping. You
don't tell your heart to pump. So

639
00:46:53.880 --> 00:46:59.199
breath is the only thing that can
hop between those two worlds. Breath is

640
00:46:59.280 --> 00:47:02.960
like the thing when mastery is achieved
of the breath to a degree, you

641
00:47:04.039 --> 00:47:07.840
can control those automatic systems. I
mean, it's it's pretty amazing. You

642
00:47:07.920 --> 00:47:12.320
guys are like this one. And
the last few months, my dad and

643
00:47:12.360 --> 00:47:15.840
my mom and my sister have been
really in the wim Hoff breathing and you

644
00:47:15.920 --> 00:47:19.400
know, I don't live in the
same town as them, so like I

645
00:47:19.719 --> 00:47:22.840
you know, every few weeks or
months, I'll go through. And the

646
00:47:22.920 --> 00:47:25.639
last time I was in town,
we did a wim Hoff breathing session and

647
00:47:27.840 --> 00:47:30.719
that was just I highly recommend it. Just go to YouTube. Pick like

648
00:47:30.840 --> 00:47:35.880
a ten minute guided wim Hoff session. It's insane. It's it's tough.

649
00:47:36.440 --> 00:47:39.440
You know, you're doing a minute
and a half long breath holds. You're

650
00:47:39.480 --> 00:47:43.320
working up to this. When I
was a child, I was always scared

651
00:47:43.360 --> 00:47:46.559
of like drowning or I have this
like weird subconscious fear of like deep ocean

652
00:47:46.639 --> 00:47:50.320
water and sharks, and it's like
I'm a great swimmer, but it's like

653
00:47:50.679 --> 00:47:52.440
I don't want to drown. I
don't want to be outstranded in the ocean

654
00:47:52.559 --> 00:47:54.840
or something and knock my head.
And I can't say, I don't know,

655
00:47:54.920 --> 00:47:58.760
it's just a it's an irrational fear. So I never really cared to

656
00:47:58.800 --> 00:48:00.199
hold my breath for a long period
the time. I think the longest I

657
00:48:00.360 --> 00:48:05.159
ever did as a kid was like
forty seconds, you know, but sure

658
00:48:05.280 --> 00:48:07.960
enough doing wim half breathing. I
was holding my breath for a minute and

659
00:48:07.000 --> 00:48:10.840
a half and I could have kept
going and going and going. And by

660
00:48:10.880 --> 00:48:15.960
the third breath hold, I felt
this strange sensation where I started to become

661
00:48:16.039 --> 00:48:20.440
really lucid, and like this incredible
tingling was happening all over my body.

662
00:48:20.880 --> 00:48:23.400
I was holding my breath, I
was in a meditative position holding Mudra's and

663
00:48:23.639 --> 00:48:27.960
I had my eyes closed, and
I just kept thinking, like, lean

664
00:48:28.039 --> 00:48:30.360
into the discomfort. It's making me
stronger, It's making me stronger, Like

665
00:48:30.480 --> 00:48:32.280
you were saying, that's where I
brought it up. You know, the

666
00:48:32.360 --> 00:48:36.599
barrier in your mind where discomfort is
and the breath is the bridge between that.

667
00:48:37.199 --> 00:48:40.760
There is something very profound to what
you were just describing in my experience.

668
00:48:40.960 --> 00:48:44.400
Yeah, I can't say I practiced
swim half breath. I have a

669
00:48:44.440 --> 00:48:49.039
lot of patients who do, and
I just always recommend if you are someone

670
00:48:49.079 --> 00:48:53.400
who suffers from like a little bit
of an excessive response to emotional triggers or

671
00:48:53.440 --> 00:48:57.199
things like that, you can hype
yourself up. You know, you can

672
00:48:57.400 --> 00:48:59.719
put yourself into a little bit of
a state of panics. So you want

673
00:48:59.760 --> 00:49:00.519
to do it with friends, You
want to do it with somebody who knows

674
00:49:00.519 --> 00:49:07.039
what they're doing. I'm the opposite
Ryan. I find that I start to

675
00:49:07.159 --> 00:49:10.280
get freaked out when I have no
air. So in yoga, there's something

676
00:49:10.360 --> 00:49:16.159
called a box breath. They'll describe
like count three seconds inhale, hold it

677
00:49:16.320 --> 00:49:22.159
for three seconds, exhale for three
you know, six seconds. Usually the

678
00:49:22.280 --> 00:49:27.599
inhale is doubled for the exhale,
and then I have people don't breathe back

679
00:49:27.639 --> 00:49:30.159
in yet, So you make up
this little like box as you inhale hold,

680
00:49:30.320 --> 00:49:35.880
exhale hold. The exhale hold is
when I see a lot of emotions

681
00:49:35.920 --> 00:49:38.679
come to the surface because someone's you
know, thrown in their face of that.

682
00:49:38.760 --> 00:49:43.440
We don't have the resources that we
need to survive potentially if you kept

683
00:49:43.480 --> 00:49:45.840
like this, you know, if
you ever got hit in the stomach and

684
00:49:45.920 --> 00:49:49.880
like I've definitely got my wind knocked
out me playing soccer growing up, Like

685
00:49:50.800 --> 00:49:55.480
you are conscious trying to tell yourself
to breathe and you cannot breathe, right,

686
00:49:55.960 --> 00:50:00.360
Yeah, you're like a prisoner in
your own body. Like the same

687
00:50:00.480 --> 00:50:01.679
is what I was describing, Like
that's one of my you know, like

688
00:50:01.760 --> 00:50:05.719
not being able to breathe in general, not not even just with the water.

689
00:50:06.199 --> 00:50:08.639
Yeah. So the the holding the
exhales have always been like more of

690
00:50:08.679 --> 00:50:12.480
a personal practice for me. I
feel I was a singer, so I

691
00:50:12.519 --> 00:50:17.480
feel good with holding my inhale.
But it's it's really powerful to just tap

692
00:50:17.559 --> 00:50:22.639
into that part of your mind that
controls those things all day long, even

693
00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:24.760
you know, if you're conscious of
it or not. I'm glad you brought

694
00:50:24.840 --> 00:50:28.880
up box breathing because I told you
I had two stories I wanted to share

695
00:50:28.920 --> 00:50:32.199
with you. You just so remember
I had set my wife and I had

696
00:50:32.199 --> 00:50:35.880
been going to this yoga place.
Well, we were going Fridays at three.

697
00:50:35.960 --> 00:50:37.559
We were doing like the hot yoga
thing, and then one week she

698
00:50:37.679 --> 00:50:40.519
was like, do you want to
do like a what was it. It

699
00:50:40.679 --> 00:50:46.239
was like a crystal bowl frequency meditation, sound bath, sound bath, and

700
00:50:46.280 --> 00:50:49.719
I was like, cool, whatever, that sounds awesome, let's do it.

701
00:50:49.760 --> 00:50:52.079
Are you listening to frequencies? So
we get there and they're like laying

702
00:50:52.079 --> 00:50:58.000
all these mats in a circle around
us with you know, around a practitioner

703
00:50:58.039 --> 00:51:01.119
who's entire jobs. She didn't speak
a word, she just played these balls.

704
00:51:01.199 --> 00:51:05.599
And then there was a yoga instructor
who was like guiding us through these

705
00:51:05.760 --> 00:51:07.920
extremely gentle poses. Like we didn't
stand up or sit up. It was

706
00:51:08.000 --> 00:51:13.519
like you lay down, you might
slowly roll over and like lay your arm

707
00:51:13.559 --> 00:51:16.199
out like it wasn't even like you
know, downward dog and stuff like that.

708
00:51:16.280 --> 00:51:21.679
It was yeah, very gentle poses. And the whole point of this

709
00:51:21.880 --> 00:51:24.559
was meditation. And it was about
an hour and a half and towards the

710
00:51:24.719 --> 00:51:28.960
end of rolling through the poses,
she had to start doing the box breathing.

711
00:51:29.159 --> 00:51:30.679
But the way she had to do
it was four in, four hold,

712
00:51:30.760 --> 00:51:35.440
four out, four hold. So
it's like just this constant cycle and

713
00:51:35.559 --> 00:51:37.639
she was guiding us through, accounting
the seconds, telling us exactly how to

714
00:51:37.679 --> 00:51:40.320
breathe to where we didn't even have
to think about it. And I promise

715
00:51:40.360 --> 00:51:45.880
you. I had an out of
body experience. I remember like feeling this

716
00:51:46.440 --> 00:51:52.559
incredible pressure on my third eye area
and just kind of like blacking out,

717
00:51:52.719 --> 00:51:55.599
not in like not in like a
bad way, but blacking out like I

718
00:51:55.960 --> 00:52:00.440
was not awake, but I also
wasn't just like in a nor normal state

719
00:52:00.480 --> 00:52:04.119
of sleep, and I just kept
feeling this incredible pressure on my third eye.

720
00:52:04.559 --> 00:52:07.320
It kind of like I didn't have
a specific dream or anything, but

721
00:52:07.159 --> 00:52:10.239
when I came to at the end, I was like, what the hell

722
00:52:10.519 --> 00:52:15.400
was that? Yeah, this this
was definitely something to it with the breathing,

723
00:52:15.960 --> 00:52:20.480
the meditation, the crystal balls,
which they were tuned to certain frequencies.

724
00:52:20.559 --> 00:52:22.119
It was. It was bizarre.
Let's just they have a gong there,

725
00:52:22.840 --> 00:52:28.599
No, the gong gets me.
That was probably the first time I've

726
00:52:28.679 --> 00:52:30.039
ever felt like, like you said, like an under body experience, like

727
00:52:31.119 --> 00:52:35.599
felt like a shape shifter, like
when the gong hit me and I just

728
00:52:35.840 --> 00:52:37.440
you hear it, but your whole
body hears it, and you feel like

729
00:52:37.559 --> 00:52:42.920
you resonate, you get just get
bigger. You're like this dissonance. So

730
00:52:43.039 --> 00:52:45.159
every time I hear it gong,
I'm just like who I know. I

731
00:52:45.239 --> 00:52:46.599
gear up before class when I see
one, I'm like, please use it.

732
00:52:49.079 --> 00:52:52.519
The sound balls. The first time, I was at a yoga class

733
00:52:52.679 --> 00:52:54.679
and I was laying in shravasana,
this corpse pose at the end, eyes

734
00:52:54.760 --> 00:52:59.360
closed. I saw her sitting up
front with these bulls. I've never heard

735
00:52:59.400 --> 00:53:04.440
them played in a class before.
And if Nick, have you ever been

736
00:53:04.519 --> 00:53:07.199
in a room with sad bolls?
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Yeah they

737
00:53:07.320 --> 00:53:14.000
sound like they're moving, and yeah, I genuinely thought this woman was walking

738
00:53:14.119 --> 00:53:16.280
around like playing sad balls around my
head because it was like hitting me.

739
00:53:17.199 --> 00:53:21.280
It was hitting me in my throat, but like on one side. So

740
00:53:21.400 --> 00:53:22.880
I assumed she was over there.
And when I woke up, you know,

741
00:53:23.000 --> 00:53:25.440
came out of the meditation, she
was sitting up front and had never

742
00:53:25.559 --> 00:53:30.000
moved. So that was my first
Like obviously sound travels, you know,

743
00:53:30.199 --> 00:53:34.039
and affects your body in a really
powerful way, but that was where like

744
00:53:34.679 --> 00:53:37.320
I had resistance that Like that's how
I view It's like they had resistance there

745
00:53:37.360 --> 00:53:40.719
that needed to be broken up by
that frequency. So they're really cool.

746
00:53:42.760 --> 00:53:46.079
Yeah, it's awesome. I have
to ask about acupuncture, like do you

747
00:53:46.159 --> 00:53:51.400
actively practice acupuncture now that I live
in New Jersey? No, Unfortunately,

748
00:53:51.960 --> 00:53:57.599
it is not in my scope to
needle anymore. But I practiced in Oklahoma

749
00:53:57.639 --> 00:54:01.800
acupuncture and then now I just use
the meridian system, So I basically am

750
00:54:01.840 --> 00:54:09.960
practicing acupuncture without inserting needles. Just
like Yoga's system of the subtle body.

751
00:54:10.000 --> 00:54:15.159
They believe that prana is flowing through
your body and it flows through the chakras.

752
00:54:15.599 --> 00:54:17.920
Acupuncture has a very similar view on
that. They just call it different

753
00:54:17.960 --> 00:54:22.199
things, right, everybody's talking about
the same thing. Oh yeah, yes,

754
00:54:22.280 --> 00:54:29.840
Their subtle body medicine is meridians.
And there's these lines of chi or

755
00:54:30.039 --> 00:54:32.480
you know, life force that flow
through you, and they all correlate.

756
00:54:34.079 --> 00:54:38.400
The main twelve that people would know
about correlate with an organ, and just

757
00:54:38.599 --> 00:54:43.199
like the chakras tend to have these
temperaments of like you know, let's say

758
00:54:43.239 --> 00:54:46.840
the heart chakra is a very love
affected place, or the root chakra is

759
00:54:46.880 --> 00:54:53.199
a very fear affected place. The
meridians and the organs that house these flows

760
00:54:54.400 --> 00:54:58.519
usually have a temperament as well.
So let's say like people who are suffering

761
00:54:58.599 --> 00:55:05.079
with resentment and bitterness, and they
may have actually have liver issues. So

762
00:55:05.480 --> 00:55:10.760
these these organs and not in their
cellular physicality like chemically if you went to

763
00:55:10.840 --> 00:55:15.400
a doctor, your liver may be
fine, but do you an acupuncturists They

764
00:55:15.840 --> 00:55:20.199
believe that your liver is not working, you know, harmoniously with other organs,

765
00:55:20.280 --> 00:55:23.159
and it's preventing this lovely flow of
vital energy in your body. So

766
00:55:23.239 --> 00:55:29.280
they would needle along the liver meridian
or its counterpart to kind of like bring

767
00:55:29.320 --> 00:55:34.280
you back to a nice threshold of
equilibrium. That's amazing. When you start

768
00:55:34.360 --> 00:55:38.000
talking prana and the vital bodies,
I'm like, you know this, Yeah,

769
00:55:38.079 --> 00:55:43.480
this is some exciting stuff. Yeah. I would say to anybody who's

770
00:55:43.519 --> 00:55:47.880
never had acupuncture, I just kind
of call it mandatory meditation. Oh cool,

771
00:55:49.119 --> 00:55:51.239
got needles in you, so you
kind of have to lay there,

772
00:55:52.519 --> 00:55:55.480
kind of have to take it.
So when you go to a true acupuncturist,

773
00:55:55.480 --> 00:56:00.639
you may be laying there for forty
five minutes to an hour with you

774
00:56:00.719 --> 00:56:05.519
know what I consider these What I
mean, metal is a conductor with electricity,

775
00:56:05.639 --> 00:56:08.119
right, so it's just like affecting
the electric circuit of your body.

776
00:56:08.280 --> 00:56:15.239
You could have some really cool experiences. Something you said there reminded me of

777
00:56:15.360 --> 00:56:19.039
Louise. Hey, are you familiar
with Louise? He absolutely, you said

778
00:56:19.079 --> 00:56:23.079
that like it's believed in acupuncture that
you know, there may be certain organs

779
00:56:23.400 --> 00:56:30.880
that when we have traumatic experiences or
certain emotional responses, that particular organs might

780
00:56:30.920 --> 00:56:34.480
not be working as well well.
Louise, Hey, if I remember correctly,

781
00:56:35.440 --> 00:56:42.800
it's the she wrote books about healing
through certain affirmations, like certain cancers

782
00:56:42.880 --> 00:56:47.960
and certain illnesses come from certain subconscious
beliefs. Like like, let me explain

783
00:56:49.000 --> 00:56:53.840
it like this, Like when we
have certain subconscious beliefs, we actually are

784
00:56:54.760 --> 00:57:00.679
self afflicting these illnesses. We're sort
of like manifest them. It's it's like

785
00:57:00.760 --> 00:57:06.679
a mystical alternative view of you know, diseases and things like that. And

786
00:57:06.800 --> 00:57:10.320
like if you dive into it,
it's like there are specific affirmations to heal

787
00:57:10.960 --> 00:57:15.719
uh specific illnesses. And I have
a friend, a very good friend named

788
00:57:15.760 --> 00:57:21.360
Larry who he's let's just say he's
he's in Dad's book. He was instrumental

789
00:57:21.480 --> 00:57:25.320
in introducing us to multiple officers in
the CIA, and he has a lot

790
00:57:25.360 --> 00:57:32.239
of resources at his disposal. I've
witnessed some people that he knows personally who

791
00:57:32.280 --> 00:57:37.079
were actually healed of very profound,
uncurable illnesses through hypnotic regressions. And he

792
00:57:37.280 --> 00:57:40.639
was just like a big believer in
a lot of these mystical, esoteric healing

793
00:57:40.760 --> 00:57:44.800
arts, and which is one of
the reasons he was so interested in my

794
00:57:44.920 --> 00:57:46.320
dad and why he was flying us
out there for study and things like that.

795
00:57:46.880 --> 00:57:50.800
And like the Louise hay stuff always
kind of hit me a certain way,

796
00:57:51.039 --> 00:57:53.559
like the concept that you know,
we're actually manifesting a lot of these

797
00:57:53.599 --> 00:57:58.440
illnesses ourselves with our beliefs supposedly,
you know, and what you said with

798
00:57:58.599 --> 00:58:01.840
acupuncture just kind of remind Yeah,
no, I'm really familiar. I'm sure

799
00:58:01.920 --> 00:58:07.360
she began kind of the progression that
turned into hay House Books and hay House

800
00:58:07.400 --> 00:58:13.079
publishing companies, so you know,
almost like all of the top prominent self

801
00:58:13.199 --> 00:58:20.239
help healers in that prescriptive transformative health
world are hay House books and a lot

802
00:58:20.320 --> 00:58:24.559
of her She'll describe like the symbolism
of diseases, the symbolism of pains as

803
00:58:24.679 --> 00:58:31.639
metaphysical, meaning like above the physical. So in medical world, there's something

804
00:58:31.760 --> 00:58:40.480
called psychosomatic pain, meaning like you
have this kind of psychological not necessarily like

805
00:58:40.559 --> 00:58:44.239
an imbalance, but because it doesn't
need to be chemical, you could just

806
00:58:44.320 --> 00:58:49.039
have this image of yourself as let's
say limping, and you know, the

807
00:58:49.280 --> 00:58:53.360
goes down to the soma psychosomatic.
It will tell your body that you are

808
00:58:53.440 --> 00:58:57.719
susceptible to blank. And the more
you tell yourself that, the more your

809
00:58:57.760 --> 00:59:02.239
body will I believe, shape yourself
to match the belief. So I really

810
00:59:02.400 --> 00:59:08.719
like Louise Hay's work. She doesn't
have the movement component that I think is

811
00:59:08.800 --> 00:59:13.880
the next step. It's like if
someone I could fix someone's back, but

812
00:59:13.960 --> 00:59:15.559
if they're dead set that it's going
to hurt when they've bend forward, their

813
00:59:15.599 --> 00:59:20.440
body will not let them do it. Yeah, they can tell themselves.

814
00:59:20.840 --> 00:59:22.199
Yeah, you could tell yourself I'm
strong, I'm strong, I'm strong.

815
00:59:22.760 --> 00:59:25.119
But if your body doesn't believe you, it's not gonna do it. So

816
00:59:25.760 --> 00:59:31.880
there's this freedom of like seeing to
believe and seeing not clean movement, but

817
00:59:32.039 --> 00:59:37.559
seeing free movement is like one of
the easiest medicines to just like steam,

818
00:59:37.679 --> 00:59:39.679
you know, build up a little
progress and motivate yourself that you can heal

819
00:59:39.760 --> 00:59:45.039
yourself. That's deep. I'm really
glad we had this conversation because I feel

820
00:59:45.039 --> 00:59:49.199
like, even for the listener out
there who has no interest in yoga whatsoever,

821
00:59:49.960 --> 00:59:54.000
you have provided what I believe to
be a lot of very profound wisdom

822
00:59:54.159 --> 00:59:59.760
in the healing arts. I mean, this has been a really awesome conversation.

823
01:00:00.119 --> 01:00:01.880
Oh great, did you have a
good time? Oh my gosh,

824
01:00:01.920 --> 01:00:06.199
absolutely. I It's like, yeah, I just get I'm so passionate about

825
01:00:06.199 --> 01:00:08.559
this, right, It's like we
could probably talk forever. Well, we

826
01:00:08.639 --> 01:00:13.719
gotta have you on again so that
we and then we gotta yeah, because

827
01:00:13.760 --> 01:00:16.760
there's so much to cover. I
was gonna ask about Kundalini. We'll wait

828
01:00:16.800 --> 01:00:21.880
for next time. Okay, Well, I mean you know that that I

829
01:00:21.960 --> 01:00:24.440
would like to know your thoughts about
Kundalini, pars about Cundalini. Yeah,

830
01:00:24.440 --> 01:00:30.119
I'm not I'm not trained as a
Kundalini teacher, so I can speak to

831
01:00:30.239 --> 01:00:32.639
it as you know, just being
in the yoga world and my experiences with

832
01:00:32.719 --> 01:00:38.679
it. Kundalini yoga is a branch
of yoga that focuses on kind of this

833
01:00:38.880 --> 01:00:44.559
reserved store of energy. They believe
it lives at the base of your spine,

834
01:00:44.719 --> 01:00:47.480
so maybe the lowest chakra, a
lower gland. And I just had

835
01:00:47.480 --> 01:00:51.840
a really great discussion with my friend
Thomas shut who is a Kundalini teacher,

836
01:00:51.920 --> 01:00:57.519
and I'll try to use his verbiage. He describes it as a reserve of

837
01:00:57.599 --> 01:01:05.559
your highest potential just sitting down there
and through practices like yoga, through breath,

838
01:01:05.920 --> 01:01:09.199
through just living our lives, and
you know, we can with intention,

839
01:01:09.320 --> 01:01:14.239
we can help this energy kind of
work its way up to higher points

840
01:01:14.320 --> 01:01:19.480
of our system and completely shift our
vibration. It gets a bad rap because

841
01:01:19.679 --> 01:01:25.440
usually that upward spiral of energy is
depicted as snakes, and that really freaks

842
01:01:25.440 --> 01:01:30.320
out people who don't understand like the
pure component of it, Like any practice,

843
01:01:30.360 --> 01:01:32.840
any spiritual practice, you can,
you know, turn it into a

844
01:01:32.880 --> 01:01:36.840
bad thing if that's who you are. But a lot there's a lot of

845
01:01:37.039 --> 01:01:42.800
religious you know, resistance to the
word kundalini. So I would say anybody

846
01:01:42.880 --> 01:01:46.519
listening who are has already turned their
ears off because we said kundalini. It

847
01:01:46.639 --> 01:01:53.559
does not need to be dark.
It is just about learning how to allow

848
01:01:55.519 --> 01:02:00.719
your control, like how you control
yourself versus learning how to control yourself vers

849
01:02:00.880 --> 01:02:06.239
letting a lower version of yourself be
in control. Gotcha. So it's not

850
01:02:06.480 --> 01:02:14.639
it's not like a specific different style
of yoga. It's more of an intentions

851
01:02:14.719 --> 01:02:17.440
thing or a mentality. It is
both. It's a lot of repetitive breathing.

852
01:02:17.599 --> 01:02:21.880
That's called breath of fire, where
you're trying to like not necessarily win

853
01:02:21.960 --> 01:02:28.639
halfwa but like a yeah something.
Yeah. So you're pumping energy through breath

854
01:02:28.760 --> 01:02:32.199
through intention. So there's a lot
of breath repetitive movements. It's all about

855
01:02:32.320 --> 01:02:37.159
like ego eradicator, like getting getting
like the humanness out of the way to

856
01:02:37.320 --> 01:02:43.599
allow this energy freedom to pass through
you. Oh cool, that's that's awesome.

857
01:02:43.760 --> 01:02:46.880
Yeah. I mean if the if
the CIA guys and all those other

858
01:02:47.159 --> 01:02:52.239
people are coming out of the woodworks
and telling Ryan's dad and needs to look

859
01:02:52.280 --> 01:02:54.639
into Kunalini, that like set off
a little light bulb in my head,

860
01:02:54.760 --> 01:03:00.159
like it's important for some reason.
It was the first time and I ever

861
01:03:00.280 --> 01:03:04.159
had seen shapes like when you lay
down and meditate, you know, maybe

862
01:03:04.239 --> 01:03:07.280
you're kind of talking to yourself.
You may see some people walk through your

863
01:03:07.320 --> 01:03:10.960
brain that you saw that day.
And then I just had never experienced like

864
01:03:12.159 --> 01:03:16.800
this rapid, fluid progression of just
losing myself into this world of shapes like

865
01:03:17.039 --> 01:03:22.320
just a wild you know movie,
And that was what Kundalini kind of opened

866
01:03:22.360 --> 01:03:23.440
up in my mind. Now what
you know what it means, I'm going

867
01:03:23.519 --> 01:03:29.440
to spend the rest of my life
learning. But you definitely tap into something

868
01:03:29.599 --> 01:03:34.360
different than staying in these like physical
poses through a practice that is outside of

869
01:03:34.400 --> 01:03:39.000
Kundalina so interesting, so cool,
just like an energy work focused yoga.

870
01:03:39.039 --> 01:03:43.920
I love that. Wow, Marina, I hope you had as great of

871
01:03:43.960 --> 01:03:46.199
a time as we did, or
yeah, I mean I hope. I

872
01:03:46.320 --> 01:03:50.400
hope I leave people with the sense
that they can start yoga. You know,

873
01:03:50.480 --> 01:03:52.880
we know I don't. I really
like to like overwhelm people. And

874
01:03:52.079 --> 01:03:55.400
it really is exactly what you just
trust that like the day that you walk

875
01:03:55.440 --> 01:04:00.559
into a class, it's the right
day. You may not be your favorite

876
01:04:00.599 --> 01:04:02.039
teacher, your favorite style, but
maybe the person next to you on the

877
01:04:02.079 --> 01:04:04.920
mat you were supposed to meet.
Like, there's just always something really powerful

878
01:04:05.000 --> 01:04:09.960
that comes from the community around yoga. So keep trying give it a chance.

879
01:04:10.440 --> 01:04:12.360
I hope you'll, you know,
fall in love with it like I

880
01:04:12.440 --> 01:04:15.679
did. No, I think you
definitely broke it down in a very absorbable

881
01:04:16.199 --> 01:04:21.639
way, like a very approachable way, and in a in a spiritual,

882
01:04:21.840 --> 01:04:27.360
positive, uplifting way as well,
like I want to go do yoga like

883
01:04:27.519 --> 01:04:30.360
right now, Like honestly, after
this conversation, I think a lot of

884
01:04:30.400 --> 01:04:34.320
people are gonna go give it a
try. People, go on, try

885
01:04:34.360 --> 01:04:38.800
it. It doesn't need to be
long. Just just sit, move briefe

886
01:04:39.280 --> 01:04:45.920
and go get cracked. What Oh
chiropractic lunch. Oh, cry, crunch,

887
01:04:45.960 --> 01:04:56.960
crunch, caitated crunch, caviated,
capitated cat joint cavitation, Oh,

888
01:04:57.039 --> 01:05:00.639
my gosh, joint cavitation. Okay, capitation. All right, Well,

889
01:05:00.880 --> 01:05:03.679
hey, listen, thank you so
much for coming on you guys in person,

890
01:05:04.920 --> 01:05:08.679
if you're listening, if you're not
watching, that was a kiss.

891
01:05:09.360 --> 01:05:14.559
And anything that you feel like you
did you get everything off your check?

892
01:05:14.559 --> 01:05:16.760
Is there anything that you feel like
you've missed? I mean, I think

893
01:05:16.800 --> 01:05:20.440
someday we definitely should touch base with
some like details of shockers. That would

894
01:05:20.440 --> 01:05:25.199
be awesome. Oh yes, yes, yes, okay, cool, cool,

895
01:05:25.239 --> 01:05:27.079
cool, Yes, all right,
well you know how we in the

896
01:05:27.079 --> 01:05:30.199
show, right I do? Okay, you're ready? Yes? Three?

897
01:05:30.719 --> 01:05:47.719
Two one? Weird things happened in
the backyard. Let's house said, so

898
01:05:48.039 --> 01:06:02.039
weird, kind of close. You're
too like spiraling on the end. No

899
01:06:02.320 --> 01:06:29.159
enough, man, Wow, it's
come. I never know shanging happy