WEBVTT

1
00:00:40.200 --> 00:00:44.920
Hello, and welcome to Open Mind
UFO Radio. I am your host,

2
00:00:45.079 --> 00:00:54.359
Alejandro Rojas, and I am here
with Martin Maynor Willis A. And now

3
00:00:54.439 --> 00:00:58.640
I say that because you're from Maine. But is that a proper term?

4
00:00:58.679 --> 00:01:02.119
I think I made that up.
What are people from Maine actually called?

5
00:01:02.920 --> 00:01:07.280
No, they're called maynas Mains.
They don't they don't use the R at

6
00:01:07.319 --> 00:01:11.799
the end like lob stuff. So
I'm a mana. Yeah, that sounds

7
00:01:11.799 --> 00:01:17.560
like you were sitting on the sofur
So they put an R at the end

8
00:01:17.560 --> 00:01:23.560
of sulfur. So far, so
strange. What an interesting culture? Do

9
00:01:23.599 --> 00:01:29.120
you think their culture has rooted from
the start. It's a wicked interesting culture.

10
00:01:29.480 --> 00:01:34.159
Yeah, yeah, well, and
you know, it reminds me of

11
00:01:34.120 --> 00:01:38.000
Stephen King, who's a manor right
famous, that's right. He lives as

12
00:01:38.040 --> 00:01:44.719
the Crow flies, about sixty mile
from here, Oh not too far.

13
00:01:46.879 --> 00:01:51.920
I got these cool bats on his
on his iron fence. That a really,

14
00:01:52.040 --> 00:01:57.079
you know, his mansion. He
has these big iron bats on his

15
00:01:57.239 --> 00:02:01.359
fence on his mansion. It's pretty
huh, that's pretty cool. That's weird,

16
00:02:02.159 --> 00:02:06.400
very spooky. Yeah, all right, so let's go ahead and get

17
00:02:06.439 --> 00:02:09.680
into it. So the show today, first of all, thank you for

18
00:02:09.719 --> 00:02:15.479
coming to listening to Open MINDUFO Radio, where we cover UFO news in a

19
00:02:15.520 --> 00:02:23.159
more journalistic manner, so we're covering
the credible and substantial information and then we're

20
00:02:23.240 --> 00:02:27.199
letting you know if we speculate,
whereas a lot of the UFO field is

21
00:02:27.240 --> 00:02:30.520
based on speculation, but especially in
today's time, you don't need to base

22
00:02:30.919 --> 00:02:36.120
everything on speculation, although a lot
of our show today actually I think is,

23
00:02:36.520 --> 00:02:40.360
but we'll get into that because there's
so much credible information coming forward.

24
00:02:40.599 --> 00:02:45.240
So one of the things we also
do is we talk about the news Martin

25
00:02:45.280 --> 00:02:49.840
and I. The first segment of
the show is about UFO news, sort

26
00:02:49.840 --> 00:02:53.879
the latest headlines that are out there, and of course these are headlines that

27
00:02:53.919 --> 00:02:59.800
you can find at our website openminds
dot tv. So every week we list

28
00:03:00.199 --> 00:03:05.039
the latest headlines in the mainstream media, so you can check that out and

29
00:03:05.080 --> 00:03:07.479
you can find out what's going on
in the world. And it's a great

30
00:03:07.520 --> 00:03:13.240
resource because you can go back for
years to see all the headlines and see

31
00:03:13.240 --> 00:03:16.520
how things are changing and how the
culture is changing when it comes to this

32
00:03:16.680 --> 00:03:21.960
topic. So that's what's going on. Also, I do want to thank

33
00:03:22.039 --> 00:03:25.560
people who have been helping me out
on my Patreon site, the Alejandro Rojas

34
00:03:25.560 --> 00:03:30.520
Patreon site. It is a ton
of help and I want to keep doing

35
00:03:30.560 --> 00:03:36.280
this, and as Martin knows,
it's really hard to kind of make sure

36
00:03:36.319 --> 00:03:39.479
you can get the funds to keep
you doing this, especially when it takes

37
00:03:39.520 --> 00:03:46.599
away from other work, and Martin
and I always struggle with But thank you

38
00:03:46.639 --> 00:03:49.800
to those of you who do go
to my Patreon. You can find links

39
00:03:49.840 --> 00:03:54.479
all over open mindset TV or my
blog Aloandro t Rojas dot com. Or

40
00:03:54.520 --> 00:03:58.800
you can just Google me or search
for me on Patreon and find me.

41
00:03:58.879 --> 00:04:03.599
But thank you all so much.
Had a great response there. Otherwise,

42
00:04:03.680 --> 00:04:09.159
I do want to also let you
know who the guests for the show are,

43
00:04:09.439 --> 00:04:14.759
and the guests are John Simple and
Jack Roth. They are two or

44
00:04:15.080 --> 00:04:23.000
two of the three Jays in a
group called J three Films. And Jack

45
00:04:23.079 --> 00:04:26.959
Roth is someone I've known for a
while. He's a paranormal author and researcher

46
00:04:27.000 --> 00:04:30.040
investigator, has done a lot of
ghost stuff and early on I turned him

47
00:04:30.079 --> 00:04:38.439
onto this really weird case I was
investigating of this alleged abductee named Stan Romanek.

48
00:04:38.839 --> 00:04:44.600
Now super controversial story. This is
someone you all may know that I

49
00:04:44.680 --> 00:04:47.439
investigated for a period of time,
and there was a lot of weird stuff

50
00:04:47.439 --> 00:04:51.079
that happened, and a lot of
weird stuff going on in his life.

51
00:04:51.120 --> 00:04:56.720
However, this person also made up
stuff, and I caught him several times

52
00:04:57.000 --> 00:05:00.600
trying to trick me. And if
you're a long line time listener, he

53
00:05:00.680 --> 00:05:03.360
tried to trick you too. You
may remember when I did an interview with

54
00:05:03.480 --> 00:05:08.680
him, and you know this,
this voice came on, you need to

55
00:05:08.800 --> 00:05:12.240
know one to shut up, or
something stupid like that. And my good

56
00:05:12.240 --> 00:05:16.560
friend Marky Antonio, who is a
photo and video analyst, and he's actually

57
00:05:16.680 --> 00:05:19.519
just came into town and we're going
to go out, he's coming over for

58
00:05:19.560 --> 00:05:26.879
dinner and we're going to go do
some astro photography tonight. But you know,

59
00:05:27.000 --> 00:05:30.600
he listened in and was able to
prove definitively that this was a trick

60
00:05:30.680 --> 00:05:32.519
that Stan, you know, Rick
this whole thing to trick us on the

61
00:05:32.600 --> 00:05:39.199
radio show, for which I definitely
do not appreciate whatsoever. So it's a

62
00:05:39.240 --> 00:05:43.800
really weird case. So these guys
did a documentary on Stan Romanic and they

63
00:05:43.839 --> 00:05:48.399
have a new documentary because one of
the things Romanik claims is that he had

64
00:05:49.040 --> 00:05:56.040
sired some hybrid children, half alien
half human children. And this may sound

65
00:05:56.040 --> 00:06:00.000
weird, but stick with me for
a minute here. But because even though

66
00:06:00.000 --> 00:06:05.000
so Stan I feel cannot be trusted, during their investigation, during the putting

67
00:06:05.040 --> 00:06:09.839
together of this film, they found
many, many, many other people who

68
00:06:09.920 --> 00:06:15.879
make these claims. And now I'm
in this documentary and here's what my point

69
00:06:15.040 --> 00:06:19.560
is. Even though I'm skeptical.
Abduction is not my area of research.

70
00:06:19.720 --> 00:06:26.000
You know, it's based on a
lot of anecdotal information. I still believe

71
00:06:26.360 --> 00:06:30.439
because there are thousands and thousands and
thousands of people who claim to have these

72
00:06:30.480 --> 00:06:34.800
experiences. People come to me because
they trust me and share their stories.

73
00:06:35.079 --> 00:06:43.639
And these are very credible people who
really seem genuinely traumatized by these experiences they

74
00:06:43.680 --> 00:06:47.240
believe happened to them. So I
really think this whole topic needs to be

75
00:06:47.360 --> 00:06:55.759
taken seriously by the psychology community,
the therapeutic community, where it has to

76
00:06:55.800 --> 00:06:59.399
be examined what's going on here so
we can figure out how to help these

77
00:06:59.439 --> 00:07:01.839
people. Are are they being taken
by something I don't know? Doctor John

78
00:07:01.920 --> 00:07:06.319
Mack one of the most famous researchers
in this field. He felt that because

79
00:07:06.319 --> 00:07:11.560
he worked at Harvard, he felt
it was a non physical phenomena, that

80
00:07:11.600 --> 00:07:15.639
there was no physical portion to this. However, you know, what these

81
00:07:15.680 --> 00:07:19.959
filmmakers John and Jack discovered is that
a lot of people felt they had had

82
00:07:21.360 --> 00:07:27.079
you know, physical encounters and supposedly, and we'll talk to these guys about

83
00:07:27.120 --> 00:07:30.279
it. They've even talked to some
of these people's doctors, and the doctors

84
00:07:30.319 --> 00:07:34.360
claim that there were some strange things
found. So we'll take a look at

85
00:07:34.360 --> 00:07:39.279
this. We'll figure out why Jack
and John believe this is something important,

86
00:07:39.639 --> 00:07:44.000
and we'll kind of examine this kind
of really weird, kind of niche area

87
00:07:44.199 --> 00:07:47.439
of the UFO phenomena or the belief
in aliens, and that is that they're

88
00:07:47.480 --> 00:07:53.160
taking us and creating these hybrids.
And you got to remember there are just

89
00:07:53.360 --> 00:07:58.480
thousands of people who believe this has
happened to them. I mean, what

90
00:07:58.519 --> 00:08:03.399
are your thoughts, Martin. Well, I've been on the fence from day

91
00:08:03.439 --> 00:08:07.079
one about you know, the abductions
in general. But I do think that,

92
00:08:07.519 --> 00:08:11.759
you know, there could be something
to it. I don't want to

93
00:08:11.759 --> 00:08:16.680
be closed minded to it, but
I'm not so sure that you know all

94
00:08:16.720 --> 00:08:22.079
these you know, thousands and thousands
of people with their stories of these things

95
00:08:22.079 --> 00:08:24.639
happening over and over again. If
if it's really happening or not, I

96
00:08:24.639 --> 00:08:28.000
mean I would be a basket case
of something like that. I wouldn't be

97
00:08:28.000 --> 00:08:31.720
able to function in a normal day, you know, living if something like

98
00:08:31.759 --> 00:08:33.399
that was happening, or I thought
something like that was happening, And my

99
00:08:33.440 --> 00:08:37.600
heart goes out to those people,
whatever it is. But I also think

100
00:08:37.639 --> 00:08:43.480
that if we are being visited by
someone, you know, outside this galaxy,

101
00:08:43.480 --> 00:08:48.559
if that is a possibility, then
then I think, you know,

102
00:08:48.759 --> 00:08:54.600
they wouldn't just observe from afar.
I think that indeed, they probably would

103
00:08:54.600 --> 00:08:56.080
want to examine. I mean that's
the first thing that we would do.

104
00:08:56.159 --> 00:09:00.960
Of course we don't know the way
they think, but that is something that

105
00:09:01.000 --> 00:09:05.639
I think we would do. And
then there's the cases that are really amazing,

106
00:09:05.879 --> 00:09:09.679
like you know, Travis Walton,
Betty Hill, the Allagash incident,

107
00:09:09.840 --> 00:09:16.279
and some others that just seem so
credible. So again I say, I'm

108
00:09:16.320 --> 00:09:20.919
on the fence, but you know, I don't doubt at least something is

109
00:09:20.960 --> 00:09:24.399
going on, right Yeah, I
mean there are some rittible, I mean

110
00:09:24.480 --> 00:09:30.480
credible cases like you mentioned Betty and
Barning Hill, Travis Walton, who I

111
00:09:30.519 --> 00:09:33.080
know very well. In fact,
I'm going to be doing a talk with

112
00:09:33.200 --> 00:09:37.279
him at the Scottsdale Library here in
the Phoenix area in just a few weeks.

113
00:09:37.320 --> 00:09:41.320
I'm going to talk about other weird
cases like Aligash, another credible case

114
00:09:41.399 --> 00:09:43.399
like you mentioned. So I'll be
talking about some of these cases and then

115
00:09:43.440 --> 00:09:48.919
Travis will share his experiences. So
you're right, So there are these weird

116
00:09:48.960 --> 00:09:54.519
cases of these potential encounters. And
I think it's a great point too that

117
00:09:56.200 --> 00:09:58.919
you know, this is what we
do with animals. We tranquilize them,

118
00:10:00.120 --> 00:10:05.799
we take them, we do things
to them, physical medical procedures. Often

119
00:10:05.200 --> 00:10:11.879
this is either so we discover more
about them or so that we can help

120
00:10:11.919 --> 00:10:15.320
them. I mean often it's so
we can help them, of course,

121
00:10:15.360 --> 00:10:18.840
but they don't like it at all, and who would blame them like we

122
00:10:18.879 --> 00:10:24.639
wouldn't like it, And if it
is happening, it's interesting because it shows

123
00:10:24.639 --> 00:10:28.559
that they kind of have a regard
for us like we do for animals,

124
00:10:28.080 --> 00:10:31.840
which we consider I guess lesser species
or many of us. Of course I'm

125
00:10:31.840 --> 00:10:41.279
a vegetarian because I love animals,
but that they don't it would also show,

126
00:10:41.440 --> 00:10:46.840
you know, not so much a
regard for our social norms or our

127
00:10:46.960 --> 00:10:54.480
laws or you know, some of
our comfort or necessarily that they're not trying

128
00:10:54.480 --> 00:10:56.200
to communicate. Hey, here's what
we're going to do, and here's what

129
00:10:56.320 --> 00:11:00.120
you know, like a doctor would, here's why we have to do it.

130
00:11:00.159 --> 00:11:05.360
And so I don't know, it's
very very strange, but yeah,

131
00:11:05.559 --> 00:11:09.080
we'll get into it with these guys. And I love Jack and John because

132
00:11:09.080 --> 00:11:15.559
they're really good guys. I think
that they are really looking for answers.

133
00:11:16.120 --> 00:11:20.279
And this film has gotten a lot
of awards already. It doesn't even come

134
00:11:20.320 --> 00:11:24.320
out until about the same time as
the UFO Congress, and they're going to

135
00:11:24.320 --> 00:11:28.879
be showing it at the UFO Congress
and Jack will be there at the UFO

136
00:11:28.879 --> 00:11:31.080
Congress to talk about it, so
people can meet him and you'll even be

137
00:11:31.080 --> 00:11:37.039
able to vote on it versus other
films for the EBE Film Festival at the

138
00:11:37.039 --> 00:11:43.279
Congress. So yeah, so we'll
see how people react to it. Well,

139
00:11:43.320 --> 00:11:48.279
that's great, And I almost forgot
the Pasca Ghula abduction case right,

140
00:11:48.360 --> 00:11:50.799
the Pasca Gula case. So we'll
have Calvin Parker one of the witnesses there,

141
00:11:50.840 --> 00:11:54.399
and I think that's very credible.
I mean, you've interviewed him,

142
00:11:54.480 --> 00:11:58.120
Yes, and I find him very
credible, down to earth. So this

143
00:11:58.159 --> 00:12:00.519
is going to be my first time
meeting him in person, and then I'm

144
00:12:00.639 --> 00:12:03.360
very excited about that. Yeah,
he's a real, real nice gentleman.

145
00:12:05.240 --> 00:12:07.679
So we have a lot of really
good stuff going on at the UFO Congress.

146
00:12:09.000 --> 00:12:13.480
Plus, get this, this is
have you heard about this guest or

147
00:12:13.519 --> 00:12:18.480
this attendee someone who's going to be
there? Amazing? This guy's amazing.

148
00:12:18.559 --> 00:12:22.840
I heard about him. I think
I've I've read this somewhere. Yes,

149
00:12:22.039 --> 00:12:28.240
who is he? Me? How
did you know? You know? We're

150
00:12:28.240 --> 00:12:33.120
already getting that up. We are
having the amazing Martin Willis there. He's

151
00:12:33.120 --> 00:12:39.279
going to be there, probably doing
some live interviewers like he does every year.

152
00:12:39.759 --> 00:12:43.240
He'll be helping us out behind the
stage. That's right. Yeah,

153
00:12:43.320 --> 00:12:50.600
you can actually meet and talk to
Martin Willis in the flesh. We're going

154
00:12:50.679 --> 00:12:54.600
to have a rush to Ufocongress dot
com to register now. But we're gonna

155
00:12:54.600 --> 00:12:58.200
have some amazing guests, so go
check that out. But yeah, so

156
00:12:58.240 --> 00:13:03.279
why don't we go ahead and get
into the headlines for the week, getting

157
00:13:03.279 --> 00:13:07.679
into the UFO news go for sure? All right? All right? Well,

158
00:13:07.679 --> 00:13:09.759
I wanted to start with you know, this maybe isn't a news story

159
00:13:09.840 --> 00:13:16.840
you can read, but it certainly
has caused a lot of reaction I want

160
00:13:16.879 --> 00:13:20.600
to say in the UFO community and
out there, and that is Joe Rogan

161
00:13:20.200 --> 00:13:28.720
interviewed Bob Blazaar. The date was
on June twentieth, So once that went

162
00:13:28.759 --> 00:13:31.799
out, a lot of people were
contacting. Not a lot of people,

163
00:13:31.799 --> 00:13:35.799
but a number of listeners contacted me, and one once wrote me and said,

164
00:13:35.879 --> 00:13:39.759
well, I was on the fence
about Bob Blazaar. Now I one

165
00:13:39.879 --> 00:13:43.240
hundred percent believe in the whole thing, and you have to watch. So

166
00:13:43.320 --> 00:13:50.240
I watched the entire two hours,
fourteen minutes and forty four seconds. Of

167
00:13:50.279 --> 00:13:54.039
course that's the intro and outro.
I watched it in pieces, and right

168
00:13:54.080 --> 00:13:58.759
now there's three million, five hundred
and thirty seven thousand, three hundred and

169
00:13:58.759 --> 00:14:05.559
six the two views is really getting
a lot of attention. So he's on

170
00:14:05.759 --> 00:14:13.000
uh he's being interviewed with Jeremy Corbel
and they apparently went out the evening before

171
00:14:13.559 --> 00:14:16.720
for dinner and stuff. Well,
two things I get out of that,

172
00:14:16.759 --> 00:14:20.840
and you know, I get a
lot of people that don't like my view

173
00:14:20.080 --> 00:14:28.600
on Bob Lazaar because it's still one
of great skepticism, even though I respect

174
00:14:28.759 --> 00:14:33.679
people like George Knapp and you know
a lot of people that do believe in

175
00:14:33.799 --> 00:14:37.720
him, you know, I understand
that. So but anyway, I so

176
00:14:37.840 --> 00:14:46.039
I watched it and I didn't I
personally didn't feel any more convinced. I

177
00:14:46.559 --> 00:14:48.879
learned some things he talks about,
some things that he had never talked about

178
00:14:48.879 --> 00:14:54.879
before. But I'm still I got
to say, I'm still not there.

179
00:14:54.000 --> 00:15:00.799
I still don't have that feeling like
this other listener that you this listener that

180
00:15:00.919 --> 00:15:05.039
wrote me. But I will say
one thing. I do believe that Joe

181
00:15:05.159 --> 00:15:13.039
Rogan believes in him. I do
believe that, really. Yeah, just

182
00:15:13.080 --> 00:15:16.600
by the way the conversation went all
the way through, I think that Joe

183
00:15:16.919 --> 00:15:22.279
Rogan there was never anything like in
the Tom DeLong situation. You know,

184
00:15:22.320 --> 00:15:26.879
there was nothing, no confrontations like
that. And uh so I do believe

185
00:15:26.879 --> 00:15:31.360
that Joe buys him. That's my
feeling on it. He has Joe did

186
00:15:31.399 --> 00:15:35.039
follow it ever since the beginning,
and he is a he's a really good

187
00:15:35.080 --> 00:15:41.159
interviewer. He's very sharp, and
he does ask some really good questions.

188
00:15:41.639 --> 00:15:46.799
But I didn't I didn't see anywhere
along the line were anything that made me

189
00:15:46.840 --> 00:15:52.399
any more convinced than I was before
the show began. That's my take on

190
00:15:52.480 --> 00:15:56.600
it, you know, And I'll
be interested to know what what other people

191
00:15:56.639 --> 00:16:00.919
thought and if anyone else out there
felt the same way that you know,

192
00:16:00.960 --> 00:16:03.360
they watched, they were on the
fence and they all of a sudden they

193
00:16:04.759 --> 00:16:07.240
think that it's one hundred percent.
I would like to know what it is

194
00:16:08.360 --> 00:16:14.360
that made you feel that way.
And so I asked the listener that wrote

195
00:16:14.399 --> 00:16:17.000
me and said he one hundred percent
convinced. I said, what, I

196
00:16:17.080 --> 00:16:19.000
watched that whole thing, what is
it? And he said, I'll have

197
00:16:19.039 --> 00:16:22.240
to get back to you on that. He said, it might work.

198
00:16:22.240 --> 00:16:25.320
I'll have to get back to you
on that. So I don't know.

199
00:16:25.559 --> 00:16:29.039
Yeah, I mean, I've heard
from people who feel similar to you and

200
00:16:29.080 --> 00:16:33.399
I kind of on the fence a
little bit on the side of the skepticism,

201
00:16:33.039 --> 00:16:40.240
and their needles really weren't changed at
all. You know. They found

202
00:16:40.320 --> 00:16:45.960
something's interesting and that may have some
credibility to them, but they were not

203
00:16:47.080 --> 00:16:53.720
satisfied with the questions regarding the concerns
they already have. So so that's kind

204
00:16:53.759 --> 00:16:59.279
of interesting. I mean I did
so, Yeah, and essentially it was

205
00:16:59.399 --> 00:17:04.559
notes from people. So yeah,
I didn't have anybody really responding very strongly

206
00:17:04.720 --> 00:17:08.799
either way, and certainly nothing that
compelled me to listen, to be honest,

207
00:17:08.880 --> 00:17:14.559
And that's because I've been following this
for so dang long and I'm over

208
00:17:14.599 --> 00:17:18.319
it. To be honest, it's
a wait, it's kind of a waste.

209
00:17:18.359 --> 00:17:21.359
And here's why I say that.
And I apologize to everybody who's into

210
00:17:21.359 --> 00:17:26.319
it. I apologize to my esteemed
mentor, George Knapp, but I've even

211
00:17:26.319 --> 00:17:29.759
told him that what's the endgame?
Where do we go with it? We've

212
00:17:29.759 --> 00:17:36.079
got one person making these extraordinary claims
who cannot prove them at all, So

213
00:17:36.119 --> 00:17:41.160
what can you do with it?
It's for us to waste time trying to

214
00:17:41.240 --> 00:17:45.400
prove something we cannot prove. Is
kind of where you ufology was stuff for

215
00:17:45.559 --> 00:17:48.599
decades, and you know what,
we don't need to waste our time with

216
00:17:48.640 --> 00:17:56.839
that sort of thing anymore. Alleged
documents from alleged generals or what have you

217
00:17:56.759 --> 00:18:00.839
that are also out there that our
people are making big deals about. We're

218
00:18:00.880 --> 00:18:07.319
wasting our time because meanwhile, we've
got Navy jet fighter pilots briefing the President,

219
00:18:07.720 --> 00:18:14.160
briefing the Congress we have MIT asking
to be briefed. We have a

220
00:18:14.240 --> 00:18:18.720
lot of really important stuff going on, and it's not to say that this

221
00:18:18.839 --> 00:18:23.240
isn't something that we don't keep in
our willhouse, especially as researchers, because

222
00:18:23.319 --> 00:18:29.240
it's incumbent upon me, for instance, that when I get access to some

223
00:18:29.279 --> 00:18:32.839
of the people that we have access
to, I need to ask them the

224
00:18:32.960 --> 00:18:36.240
questions, what is this real?
You know, are the three of these

225
00:18:36.279 --> 00:18:41.160
programs? If so, where what
who? You know? Like I've been

226
00:18:41.200 --> 00:18:47.240
asking Elizondo or and we've been asking
or even Eric Davis. Eric Davis is

227
00:18:47.279 --> 00:18:51.200
an interesting one, doctor Eric Davis, who worked for this Pentagon program,

228
00:18:51.240 --> 00:18:57.880
because he believes programs like Lizar what
claims to be a part of or have

229
00:18:59.039 --> 00:19:03.279
been a part of Exit, but
he does not believe Lazarre had anything to

230
00:19:03.319 --> 00:19:06.200
do with any of these programs.
So I think that's kind of interesting.

231
00:19:06.880 --> 00:19:12.160
Whereas Luel Lazondo also believes, like
Eric Davis, that these sort of things

232
00:19:12.200 --> 00:19:18.319
probably exist, but he does not
speak about what he thinks about Lazarre,

233
00:19:18.400 --> 00:19:22.359
so we have no idea what he
thinks. So yeah, I don't know,

234
00:19:22.400 --> 00:19:26.720
it's really interesting. The movement,
the good Movement's not going to come

235
00:19:26.759 --> 00:19:32.599
from a Joe Rogan interview unless they
were able to reveal some startling new evidence.

236
00:19:33.160 --> 00:19:36.079
What'll come is when you can get
on the record, you know,

237
00:19:36.200 --> 00:19:40.880
somebody saying something along the lines of, yes, we do have programs like

238
00:19:40.960 --> 00:19:45.920
this, but I don't think that
we're nowhere near that yet. But we're

239
00:19:45.960 --> 00:19:51.519
headed in that direction, and that's
what's exciting about right now. Some of

240
00:19:51.559 --> 00:19:56.440
the peripheral stuff going on may eventually
you know, and does I think really

241
00:19:56.480 --> 00:20:00.960
turn people's head. So I guess
it's more want for people who are not

242
00:20:00.000 --> 00:20:03.400
as familiar with that those are to
listen to your story and then see what

243
00:20:03.440 --> 00:20:07.880
they think, especially given the new
information that we're getting on a regular basis.

244
00:20:08.480 --> 00:20:11.440
Yes, one one thing, one
little spoiler thing, and I do

245
00:20:11.519 --> 00:20:19.640
recommend people watch Jeremy's Watch Jeremy and
listen to those are if you haven't before,

246
00:20:19.759 --> 00:20:23.640
but watch Jeremy's documentary Lazarre. But
go ahead, I'm sorry. Yeah,

247
00:20:23.839 --> 00:20:26.359
Oh, just one little thing I
said. It's a spoiler for someone

248
00:20:26.680 --> 00:20:30.599
just the close your ears for a
second. If you're going to watch the

249
00:20:30.279 --> 00:20:36.160
YouTube, is that Bob is now
claiming I never heard this before. Maybe

250
00:20:36.200 --> 00:20:41.039
you had heard it before, but
he's claiming that these things are at least

251
00:20:41.319 --> 00:20:45.559
one of these nine things is an
arc large arc boy Mabo, our time

252
00:20:45.559 --> 00:20:53.400
with that word today, chologic,
thank you dig one of these crafts at

253
00:20:53.480 --> 00:20:56.880
least one of the crafts. Wow. No, I not heard that,

254
00:20:57.079 --> 00:21:00.000
So that is I've never heard that
before. Wow. I'm going to have

255
00:21:00.039 --> 00:21:03.880
to take language lessons. I can't
understam I couldn't say that. Wow.

256
00:21:04.160 --> 00:21:08.599
All right, let's get into other
news. Let's see, of course there's

257
00:21:08.640 --> 00:21:12.319
been some news. I think this
is a great story. So the warzone

258
00:21:12.960 --> 00:21:17.920
Tyler Rogaway that we've had on the
show. He's written a few stories and

259
00:21:17.960 --> 00:21:21.240
it's kind of funny, and I
think it's important. People have been very

260
00:21:21.279 --> 00:21:26.440
frustrated because Rogueway has written about how
some of these things could be Chinese or

261
00:21:26.519 --> 00:21:30.079
Russian or even black projects that we're
not aware of that the Navy jet fighters

262
00:21:30.160 --> 00:21:36.480
encountered. And I think that's an
important discussion to have. I think that,

263
00:21:36.559 --> 00:21:38.680
you know, we shouldn't be getting
frustrated with him and calling him a

264
00:21:38.720 --> 00:21:42.720
debunker. I think that we should
encourage him to see what he can find,

265
00:21:44.359 --> 00:21:49.640
because on the other hand, he
is also interviewing witnesses and so on

266
00:21:49.680 --> 00:21:53.880
the other hand, he found,
for instance, he talked to some other

267
00:21:55.000 --> 00:22:02.000
Navy pilots that weren't in Unidentified the
television show, and pilots we have not

268
00:22:02.200 --> 00:22:11.599
heard from yet, and he says
that these UFO encounters have occurred constantly across

269
00:22:11.759 --> 00:22:17.440
multiple squadrons according to the witnesses he's
talked to, And these witnesses have seen

270
00:22:17.480 --> 00:22:22.160
tik tak objects, but they've also
seen the objects the square inside of the

271
00:22:22.200 --> 00:22:27.559
translucent circle that these guys claim to
have seen in twenty fifteen. So yeah,

272
00:22:27.680 --> 00:22:33.440
he's just saying that he's confirming at
least from pilots that they're seeing,

273
00:22:33.559 --> 00:22:38.319
you know, essentially these UFOs across
multiple squadrons all over the place. So

274
00:22:38.359 --> 00:22:42.279
it is a very common occurrence.
It's not, as you know, it's

275
00:22:42.319 --> 00:22:48.759
not just these groups of people that
have been featured and Unidentified the TV show.

276
00:22:48.480 --> 00:22:52.079
So I think that's really important.
So I think his stories are really

277
00:22:52.079 --> 00:22:57.799
important, and it shows the way
this stuff is properly handled by credible defense

278
00:23:00.279 --> 00:23:06.759
aerospace journalists because they're looking at all
aspects to try to thoroughly vet those and

279
00:23:06.960 --> 00:23:11.599
remember, if you think this is
something truly anomalous, then the idea that

280
00:23:11.640 --> 00:23:15.359
it's Russian, Chinese, or American
technology is in all hypothesis and in science,

281
00:23:15.720 --> 00:23:19.279
that's what you're trying to prove.
You're trying to debunk or disprove your

282
00:23:19.319 --> 00:23:23.400
theory, and if you can't disprove
your theory, that's what gives credibility to

283
00:23:23.440 --> 00:23:27.400
your theory. So it's good that
he's doing this, that's right. Hey.

284
00:23:27.440 --> 00:23:33.079
By the way, the object that
they the sphere with the cube inside

285
00:23:33.119 --> 00:23:36.920
the sphere. I was looking at
one of your headlines here that you have

286
00:23:37.039 --> 00:23:40.680
up on there and about the loon
balloon. Boy, does that look kind

287
00:23:40.720 --> 00:23:44.720
of very similar to you can see
in the pictures in the Loom balloons.

288
00:23:44.759 --> 00:23:48.039
But yeah, the Loom balloons can
look similar. And I think that's why

289
00:23:48.079 --> 00:23:51.000
that story is there. And I
think that some people have even said,

290
00:23:51.039 --> 00:23:53.200
oh, this is what these navy
guys must have encountered. But of course

291
00:23:53.799 --> 00:23:59.079
it depends on the encounter. Certainly, it doesn't fit the Tictak encounter and

292
00:23:59.519 --> 00:24:02.839
it doesn't bit all the maneuvers.
And I was just going to say that

293
00:24:03.039 --> 00:24:08.079
the balloon stays stationary or floats and
balls for people who do know they're Google

294
00:24:08.119 --> 00:24:15.119
balloons for doing Internet and they can
kind of maneuver on their own a little

295
00:24:15.119 --> 00:24:19.079
bit, but very slowly, very
slowly, nothing like what they saw.

296
00:24:21.119 --> 00:24:26.160
Yeah, so all of these stories, I just wanted to quickly say before

297
00:24:26.160 --> 00:24:33.000
we ran out of time. We
mentioned Calvin Parker earlier and he got some

298
00:24:33.160 --> 00:24:37.640
unofficial commemorative in Mississippi. Well you
should have mentioned this before, because we

299
00:24:37.680 --> 00:24:41.799
are out of time. Oh no, but yeah, there is an official

300
00:24:41.920 --> 00:24:48.480
plaque that commemorates the Pasca Goula abduction
events. And if you want to read

301
00:24:48.599 --> 00:24:52.359
that headline or any of the others
that we talked about, go to Openminds

302
00:24:52.400 --> 00:24:56.839
dot tv and you'll find this in
the headlines in the front page. So

303
00:24:56.279 --> 00:25:00.599
we've got them all there Open Minds
doat TV. But we are out of

304
00:25:00.599 --> 00:25:03.000
time. Thank you so much for
joining us again, Martin, You're very

305
00:25:03.039 --> 00:25:07.720
welcome. Thank you. Let's go
ahead and we will get into our interview

306
00:25:07.759 --> 00:25:32.839
with Jack and John right after the
break. I am very happy to welcome

307
00:25:32.880 --> 00:25:37.680
back to the show two good friends, Jack Roth and John Simple. Hello,

308
00:25:37.720 --> 00:25:41.759
guys, Hey, Alejandro, Hey, how you get doing. Thanks

309
00:25:41.759 --> 00:25:45.720
for having us. Yes, it's
always a pleasure. It's always good to

310
00:25:45.720 --> 00:25:49.920
talk to you guys. You're always
doing something exciting too. And in fact,

311
00:25:49.960 --> 00:25:53.839
where are you right now, John, I'm in Keito, Ecuador.

312
00:25:55.160 --> 00:26:02.240
Wow, that's so cool on an
extended extended travel Yep, it's done to

313
00:26:02.319 --> 00:26:04.440
travel journey, get back to the
States to make movies though. Yeah,

314
00:26:04.559 --> 00:26:08.799
right, so I'd rather that's the
way it should be, where you're vacationing

315
00:26:08.880 --> 00:26:12.440
most of the time and then sometimes
having to do a little work here and

316
00:26:12.480 --> 00:26:18.640
there. Yeah, we were full
time digital nomad, so we work five

317
00:26:18.720 --> 00:26:22.839
days a week doing the heavy lifting, and then the weekends are a fun

318
00:26:22.880 --> 00:26:27.079
time. But yeah, we're Everybody
thinks we're on vacation and then extended vacation.

319
00:26:27.519 --> 00:26:32.279
We're just doing our work remotely cool, We're happy, we're loving it.

320
00:26:32.640 --> 00:26:36.200
Yeah, that sounds fun. So
and I said, you know,

321
00:26:36.440 --> 00:26:38.799
get back to doing to do some
work here and there. But actually,

322
00:26:40.359 --> 00:26:45.519
I know, these films are a
ton of work. And you have coming

323
00:26:45.559 --> 00:26:48.920
out and you can tell us when
it's coming out. Everything's going on.

324
00:26:49.079 --> 00:26:56.000
But you've got this great new film
called Extraordinary the Seating, so maybe you

325
00:26:56.000 --> 00:27:00.000
can kind of tell us about that. Yeah, it's going to be launch

326
00:27:00.440 --> 00:27:04.440
on digital platforms like iTunes, Well
maybe not iTunes anymore, but Apple TV,

327
00:27:06.480 --> 00:27:11.759
Google Play, Vimeo, Who do. There's a whole bunch of different

328
00:27:11.799 --> 00:27:15.799
If it's a digital platform that has
video content, chances are pretty good it's

329
00:27:15.839 --> 00:27:19.440
going to be on that platform,
and it'll be on different platforms all over

330
00:27:19.480 --> 00:27:22.920
the world. I think it's one
hundred and twenty five different countries will have

331
00:27:22.960 --> 00:27:29.960
streaming capabilities for the film. It
launches on September third, strike of midnight,

332
00:27:30.000 --> 00:27:37.119
first twelve one second. On the
third, the film will be available.

333
00:27:37.119 --> 00:27:41.400
So we're excited about that. And
we've had a ton of success with

334
00:27:42.640 --> 00:27:48.160
going to film festivals and we've already
earned I think around fifteen morals. I've

335
00:27:48.160 --> 00:27:53.359
lost count a little bit. We
want the best Best Picture of Pasadena,

336
00:27:53.400 --> 00:27:59.480
Best Picture at the Los Angeles Television, Script and Film festivals. So we're

337
00:27:59.480 --> 00:28:03.720
feeling pretty good about the message that
we're putting out with the film. It's

338
00:28:03.720 --> 00:28:08.519
been very well recepted. The receptivity
has been very well so far. And

339
00:28:08.599 --> 00:28:14.759
that September third is a day before
the UFO Congress and so the film will

340
00:28:14.759 --> 00:28:18.680
also be in the Congress. At
UFO Festival, that's going to be a

341
00:28:18.680 --> 00:28:22.720
lot of fun. Yeah, yeah, I think everybody will be there,

342
00:28:22.720 --> 00:28:26.240
but me, oh, exactly,
you'll be there. I will be there,

343
00:28:26.319 --> 00:28:32.839
Yes, planning on it forward to
it awesome, So we'll definitely have

344
00:28:33.119 --> 00:28:36.920
people that are in the film will
be there as well as people behind the

345
00:28:36.920 --> 00:28:41.039
camera will be there too. We're
looking forward to just engaging with people and

346
00:28:41.079 --> 00:28:47.079
the timing of the Congress is perfect
for us because, you know, showing

347
00:28:47.119 --> 00:28:48.359
the film is one thing. Having
people see it, but then having the

348
00:28:48.359 --> 00:28:52.079
opportunity to to engage with people and
have them better understand why we're doing what

349
00:28:52.119 --> 00:28:56.559
we're doing is a big part of
it, right, especially a group of

350
00:28:56.559 --> 00:29:03.039
people who are kind of appreciate it, you know more than others. Absolutely,

351
00:29:03.839 --> 00:29:07.519
people who will fill some vindication,
probably because you know a lot of

352
00:29:07.559 --> 00:29:10.839
people who have been into this topic. And let's get to that. So

353
00:29:11.480 --> 00:29:15.640
your film has been well received.
You just talked about all these awards that

354
00:29:15.680 --> 00:29:22.920
you've won, and what's surprising is
the topic because the topic is pretty it'll

355
00:29:22.960 --> 00:29:26.720
be interesting to hear you know something
about the reaction that people have had.

356
00:29:26.759 --> 00:29:33.680
But first, tell us a little
bit about the topic of the film.

357
00:29:33.799 --> 00:29:36.240
Well, first, I think we'd
be remiss if we didn't say that.

358
00:29:36.319 --> 00:29:41.799
Alejandro, you're in the movie,
so what is this done in secret?

359
00:29:41.880 --> 00:29:45.839
No, I'm just kidding. Yes, yeah, you are in it.

360
00:29:45.839 --> 00:29:51.359
You were one of the experts and
trusted people that we know that we wanted

361
00:29:51.359 --> 00:29:56.759
to get feedback from and it turned
out really great. And so you have

362
00:29:56.880 --> 00:30:00.559
not seen it yet, is that
correct, Alejandro? I haven't, and

363
00:30:00.559 --> 00:30:04.400
I just it's my fault because I
have been provided links to it, but

364
00:30:04.440 --> 00:30:11.279
I actually have not gotten the chant. It's been crazy and so have I.

365
00:30:11.319 --> 00:30:15.279
But I'm excited to see it,
and I kind of I don't know,

366
00:30:15.319 --> 00:30:17.480
I kind of have mixed feelings.
Do I want to watch it before

367
00:30:17.559 --> 00:30:21.960
the conference or not? Because it
is fun to you know, share in

368
00:30:22.039 --> 00:30:25.680
like the ooh and the ah with
everybody else, and yeah, it might

369
00:30:25.720 --> 00:30:26.799
be a good idea for you to
wait, Yeah, that'd be that'd be

370
00:30:26.880 --> 00:30:33.400
great one for you. Well,
you know, in this particular film,

371
00:30:33.440 --> 00:30:37.119
we kind of we took it a
little further than our first film that we

372
00:30:37.160 --> 00:30:41.440
did, which was extraordinary, the
stand Romanic story, and we kind of

373
00:30:41.559 --> 00:30:48.400
ended that with the idea of this
got this one man having these experiences being

374
00:30:48.440 --> 00:30:55.880
abducted and then uh seven eight years
later, getting phone calls from and getting

375
00:30:55.880 --> 00:31:00.599
contacted by children seven to eight year
olds who were claiming to be as hybrid

376
00:31:00.680 --> 00:31:04.519
children so we wanted to kind of
take that concept a little further and dig

377
00:31:04.559 --> 00:31:11.400
a little further. So one of
the main focuses of the Seating is the

378
00:31:11.480 --> 00:31:18.440
seating. Basically, it's a lot
of people who have had experiences, abduction

379
00:31:18.559 --> 00:31:29.400
experiences, but also have had false
pregnancies, pregnancies that unexplained pregnancies where they

380
00:31:30.200 --> 00:31:34.880
lost the fetus after about two or
three months, and again followed by other

381
00:31:36.000 --> 00:31:41.440
strange abduction experiences. So we kind
of wanted to focus on this film more

382
00:31:41.480 --> 00:31:48.680
on the human emotional aspects of people
who were experiencing these things. So I

383
00:31:48.720 --> 00:31:53.720
think more so the first film was
about evidence, as you well know,

384
00:31:53.799 --> 00:31:59.079
al andre tons of evidence, right, tons of things for people to see,

385
00:31:59.319 --> 00:32:05.079
and here in this one, we
focus more on the emotional aspects of

386
00:32:05.079 --> 00:32:10.640
what it's like to be someone who
has these extraordinary experiences and really doesn't have

387
00:32:10.720 --> 00:32:15.279
too many other people you can talk
to about it. So that's that's kind

388
00:32:15.279 --> 00:32:22.319
of the focus of this second film. Now, the first film was of

389
00:32:22.359 --> 00:32:30.319
course very controversial, you know,
the situations around the main person in the

390
00:32:30.319 --> 00:32:36.599
film became even more controversial after the
film was out. But I guess as

391
00:32:36.720 --> 00:32:40.039
you all, you know, as
investigators researchers looking at all of that,

392
00:32:40.480 --> 00:32:46.799
do you still at least feel pretty
confident you know that that stand romanic?

393
00:32:46.880 --> 00:32:54.119
Did it experience some paranormal activity?
Great question, John, go ahead,

394
00:32:54.119 --> 00:32:57.960
what do you think? I would
say that, you know, one of

395
00:32:58.000 --> 00:33:01.000
the things and we get this question
to ask, and you know, people

396
00:33:01.039 --> 00:33:05.599
saying that he's completely discredited by the
things that have happened that he did,

397
00:33:05.759 --> 00:33:08.240
you know, kind of to out
himself, so to speak. Then the

398
00:33:08.319 --> 00:33:13.079
legal issues that he had. But
as you well know, there's a ton

399
00:33:13.119 --> 00:33:16.640
of evidence, and even if a
quarter of that evidence bears out to be

400
00:33:17.400 --> 00:33:22.079
true, it's still significant. And
I think the biggest things about Stan's case

401
00:33:22.079 --> 00:33:27.039
were the eyewitnesses, people who were
present when things happen, So you really

402
00:33:27.039 --> 00:33:30.079
can't discount those two too much.
I know there's a lot of people who

403
00:33:30.599 --> 00:33:32.200
don't believe in some of that.
They feel that some of the things were

404
00:33:32.240 --> 00:33:36.759
staged or hoaxed. We spend a
lot of time with Stan, and one

405
00:33:36.759 --> 00:33:38.799
of the things that I would say
is that if you spend as much time

406
00:33:38.839 --> 00:33:42.839
as we did, and you see
the person, the individual, and the

407
00:33:42.880 --> 00:33:47.079
quiet moments, and you see the
reflection and the emotional trauma that they've been

408
00:33:47.119 --> 00:33:52.599
through, because there were times where
there were moments of disbelief, in concern

409
00:33:52.839 --> 00:33:59.720
and fear and questions that Stan would
ask us, do you think I'm crazy?

410
00:34:00.640 --> 00:34:05.160
Either he was the greatest actor of
all time or there's something to his

411
00:34:05.240 --> 00:34:08.039
story, And we tend to believe
that. You know, not all of

412
00:34:08.079 --> 00:34:14.159
it is accurate, and we didn't
show anywhere near the full amount of evidence

413
00:34:14.199 --> 00:34:16.199
that he had. Some of the
things were a little bit borderline, but

414
00:34:16.239 --> 00:34:20.639
we spent a week with him,
went over a lot of the materials and

415
00:34:20.639 --> 00:34:24.519
felt that there was enough evidence there
to move forward with telling a story.

416
00:34:24.519 --> 00:34:29.079
And the story really in the film
is between two thousand and twenty ten,

417
00:34:29.159 --> 00:34:31.920
when a majority of the things that
happened to him happened. So do we

418
00:34:31.960 --> 00:34:36.239
think all of it is true?
No? Do we think some of it

419
00:34:36.320 --> 00:34:39.960
is? Absolutely? Yeah? And
I want to walk through this too,

420
00:34:40.079 --> 00:34:44.519
especially for my listeners, because I
have a lot of listeners because of course

421
00:34:44.519 --> 00:34:49.519
there's been all of this Pentagon UFO
news and information coming out, and I've

422
00:34:49.519 --> 00:34:52.760
got a lot of new ones that
have heard all of this kind of meaty

423
00:34:52.840 --> 00:34:59.280
nets and bolt stuff, so this
kind of topic is more fringy for them.

424
00:34:59.280 --> 00:35:00.960
But I want to watch through you
know, what is it? Why

425
00:35:01.320 --> 00:35:05.559
do we take something like this more
seriously? And I do want to say,

426
00:35:06.159 --> 00:35:08.920
just as a disclaimer up front,
I'm not sure what's going on with

427
00:35:08.960 --> 00:35:13.119
alien abductions, but like I say
in the film, I think it's definitely

428
00:35:13.159 --> 00:35:16.320
something that has to be researched,
and there are some very credible cases.

429
00:35:16.360 --> 00:35:21.519
I feel like Travis Swalton, this
slogger who had multiple witnesses, you know,

430
00:35:21.760 --> 00:35:24.400
to this UFO and then him disappearing
for a period of time. I

431
00:35:24.440 --> 00:35:28.239
don't know what's going on there.
And then with Stan Romanik, you guys

432
00:35:28.239 --> 00:35:31.679
mentioned I wasn't involved with researching that
case, and I do believe that stands

433
00:35:31.679 --> 00:35:35.599
a good actor. I do believe
that there's a lot of false information that

434
00:35:35.800 --> 00:35:39.320
was given to myself and others.
However, like you all, I do

435
00:35:40.159 --> 00:35:45.599
scratch my head. I really cannot
imagine that he could have faked all of

436
00:35:45.639 --> 00:35:49.440
the weird things that it seems like
happened to him or people around him.

437
00:35:49.719 --> 00:35:52.800
So it seems like there was some
genuine strange phenomena going on there. So

438
00:35:53.320 --> 00:35:58.000
I get that. So what I
want to walk through is how you guys,

439
00:35:58.360 --> 00:36:04.159
you know not only you know deal
with that situation and create your film

440
00:36:04.199 --> 00:36:08.719
there, but then move on to
even kind of even ideas and concepts that

441
00:36:08.880 --> 00:36:13.440
can be even considered even more strange
with all all of this, but it

442
00:36:13.519 --> 00:36:16.360
seems to be received well. So
in other words, I guess the next

443
00:36:16.440 --> 00:36:23.840
question would be when it comes to
abduction in the first place, because I

444
00:36:23.880 --> 00:36:28.400
don't think like John. I don't
think you know, Jack has done a

445
00:36:28.400 --> 00:36:34.199
lot of paranormal research and writing books
over the years. How did you react

446
00:36:34.280 --> 00:36:37.360
when you first heard of this phenomenon? When did you come to the idea

447
00:36:37.400 --> 00:36:42.840
that, hey, there could be
something to this. Me or Jack,

448
00:36:43.360 --> 00:36:47.199
John, Let's hear what you have
to say. Okay, it's interesting too

449
00:36:47.239 --> 00:36:51.920
because Jack has been kind of like
the deep dive researcher, exposed to a

450
00:36:51.920 --> 00:36:55.480
lot of this information both in the
paranormal in the youuthology space for twenty five

451
00:36:55.519 --> 00:37:00.440
plus years, and I kind of
came to the party a little bit late

452
00:37:00.480 --> 00:37:02.960
in about two thousand and nine,
open minded to the whole idea that this

453
00:37:04.840 --> 00:37:09.079
is a possibility, believe that we're
not alone. Had three us UFO sightings

454
00:37:09.119 --> 00:37:14.760
when I was a kid, two
of them that were seen by multiple people

455
00:37:14.800 --> 00:37:19.280
and reported to the police. Department
over two thousand phone calls in a small

456
00:37:19.320 --> 00:37:22.239
town in Fairfield County, Connecticut.
So it was, you know, my

457
00:37:22.280 --> 00:37:27.880
eyes were open at a very young
age so for me. But I got

458
00:37:27.880 --> 00:37:31.519
introduced to this when Jack brought to
Stan's story to my attention. So my

459
00:37:31.679 --> 00:37:35.960
focus and that was in two thousand
and nine. My focus has been I

460
00:37:35.960 --> 00:37:39.239
don't want to do too much deep
dive research because I want to go into

461
00:37:39.280 --> 00:37:45.159
every interview with a sense of curiosity
and wonder that our target audience would have.

462
00:37:45.199 --> 00:37:53.159
And I think where differentiating ourselves from
other content providers video content providers is

463
00:37:53.840 --> 00:38:00.360
we are not trying to send a
message to people who already are that in

464
00:38:00.400 --> 00:38:02.719
the subject matter, already believe in
it. We're trying to tell stories that

465
00:38:02.800 --> 00:38:08.039
engage people across the entire spectrum,
from believers to middle of the road to

466
00:38:08.159 --> 00:38:13.719
not even knowing about it, to
even skeptics, to say, let's assume,

467
00:38:13.920 --> 00:38:16.559
let's look at this, let's examine
this from the perspective what if it's

468
00:38:16.559 --> 00:38:22.800
all true. So we want people
to think about the possibility of an alternative

469
00:38:22.880 --> 00:38:24.760
belief structure, not to say that
it is true, because we don't know

470
00:38:24.800 --> 00:38:29.079
if everything is true, but we
want to present information based on the stories

471
00:38:29.079 --> 00:38:34.880
of the people that we've encountered,
fascinating stories, emotional stories, traumatic stories,

472
00:38:35.280 --> 00:38:37.880
and position those two an audience so
that they can look at it from

473
00:38:37.920 --> 00:38:44.960
the perspective of not was it proved
or disproved, but sheez, I would

474
00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:46.559
never want to be in that person's
shoes. I would never want to have

475
00:38:46.599 --> 00:38:51.920
that experience. What does that mean
if that person's been through something that horrific

476
00:38:52.039 --> 00:38:57.000
or that traumatizing or that you know, nightmarish, would I want to be

477
00:38:57.039 --> 00:38:59.880
through? And that's not to say
that this is all scary stuff. More

478
00:39:00.119 --> 00:39:04.519
matter of we want to just present
these stories that are being told and that

479
00:39:04.719 --> 00:39:12.599
are replicated through oral storytelling over and
over, not only for in the current

480
00:39:12.639 --> 00:39:16.800
time frames, but a lot of
corroborative information dating back over several decades.

481
00:39:17.320 --> 00:39:21.960
So when you start to hear the
same stories being told over and over again

482
00:39:22.239 --> 00:39:25.800
from what I would call credible witnesses, because they're from all over the globe,

483
00:39:27.079 --> 00:39:31.360
They're from remote countries, they're from
big cities. You don't have to

484
00:39:31.400 --> 00:39:37.519
be in the backwoods of West Virginia, no offense West Virginians to be abducted.

485
00:39:37.559 --> 00:39:43.119
You can be abducted in Manhattan.
So do we believe all of it?

486
00:39:43.280 --> 00:39:46.039
We don't know. But there's enough
curiosity there and enough evidence and enough

487
00:39:46.039 --> 00:39:51.440
corroboration over the years that we feel
that these are stories worth telling. That

488
00:39:51.519 --> 00:39:55.440
makes sense. And I love that
idea, and I love going into interviews

489
00:39:55.440 --> 00:39:59.960
like that, just having the wonder
yourself and just kind of exploring with your

490
00:40:00.159 --> 00:40:04.920
audience. Now, Jack, you
have been writing about the paranormal for quite

491
00:40:04.920 --> 00:40:07.920
some time. I know you were
a ghost hunter in fact, and of

492
00:40:07.920 --> 00:40:14.280
course I was luckily able to help
you get involved with a stand romanic story.

493
00:40:14.679 --> 00:40:19.119
But I mean where, because you, if I remember correctly, you

494
00:40:19.239 --> 00:40:25.079
started with ghost hunting. When did
you start to consider kind of that alien

495
00:40:25.280 --> 00:40:34.159
abduction could be a thing. Well, I started with ghost hunting because of

496
00:40:34.239 --> 00:40:37.880
something that happened to me personally,
and that's why I started down that path.

497
00:40:37.920 --> 00:40:40.480
And it's been over twenty years.
And actually it was at the time

498
00:40:40.519 --> 00:40:45.239
when I first met John and we
worked together at this company down to Fort

499
00:40:45.320 --> 00:40:51.280
Lardale, and I had gone on
this weekend vacation and took some photos,

500
00:40:51.280 --> 00:40:59.599
came back and there were some paranormal
There was something extraordinary on these photographs,

501
00:40:59.159 --> 00:41:02.639
and so So what wound up happening
is I took a deep dive into that

502
00:41:02.840 --> 00:41:06.800
and trying to study as much as
I can, learning as much as I

503
00:41:06.840 --> 00:41:12.280
could, talking to PhDs, the
whole nine yards. And so we did

504
00:41:12.320 --> 00:41:15.880
that for a long time, and
we did a lot of research. As

505
00:41:15.920 --> 00:41:20.880
you mentioned, I traveled all over
the country doing that kind of research.

506
00:41:22.239 --> 00:41:27.599
But we had always John and I
had always talked about doing a documentary,

507
00:41:27.920 --> 00:41:32.719
and I was always leaning towards doing
something in the UFO field. And the

508
00:41:32.760 --> 00:41:38.119
reason for that was simply because I
had always been interested in UFO since I

509
00:41:38.159 --> 00:41:45.239
was a kid. And I'm just
I'm just a journalist by nature. I

510
00:41:45.280 --> 00:41:50.760
am someone who is always looking for
the truth. I'm someone who's always trying

511
00:41:50.800 --> 00:41:59.159
to explain the unexplained. And John
and I both we approached this as documentarians.

512
00:41:59.159 --> 00:42:02.079
We approach it as researchers. And
what we try to do when we

513
00:42:02.119 --> 00:42:07.719
do it, whether it's ghosts or
UFOs or whatever, whatever unexplained phenomena or

514
00:42:07.760 --> 00:42:12.760
whatever extraordinary thing we're talking about it
we're presenting, We do so in a

515
00:42:12.800 --> 00:42:17.639
way that's objectives and we want to
do is share information. Yes, we're

516
00:42:17.639 --> 00:42:23.639
both interested in things at different levels. And to different degrees, but the

517
00:42:23.679 --> 00:42:28.639
most important thing for both of us
is that we share the information, that

518
00:42:28.679 --> 00:42:32.039
we present the information in a very
objective way, and that's really why we

519
00:42:32.039 --> 00:42:37.239
were happy. Look, the Romanic
stand Romanic documentary was extremely controversial, and

520
00:42:37.280 --> 00:42:40.440
we had people that were you know, reaching out to us and saying,

521
00:42:40.480 --> 00:42:45.360
you know, thinking that we were
part of his fan club and thinking all

522
00:42:45.360 --> 00:42:49.599
these things. But it for the
for the most part, people were like,

523
00:42:49.639 --> 00:42:52.519
you know what, we don't know
what to think a stand, But

524
00:42:52.840 --> 00:42:58.360
you guys presented this documentary in an
objective matter. You presented the evidence,

525
00:42:59.440 --> 00:43:02.320
and you left it up to us
to make up our own minds about Stan.

526
00:43:02.800 --> 00:43:06.119
Now, some people might say,
well he's full of it, okay,

527
00:43:06.119 --> 00:43:07.960
fine. Other people might say,
well there's something to this, and

528
00:43:07.960 --> 00:43:13.719
that's fine too. But we went
into it with that objective to try to

529
00:43:13.760 --> 00:43:16.559
get people to think, to think
a little bit, to think about these

530
00:43:16.599 --> 00:43:20.639
things, and to think, like
John said, what if this is true?

531
00:43:20.679 --> 00:43:24.079
What if this is real? And
I think that's why we approach all

532
00:43:24.159 --> 00:43:28.960
of these things. Yes, of
course, Alejandra, I could speak for

533
00:43:29.000 --> 00:43:32.639
myself. I've always been very interested
in these things, but as a journalist,

534
00:43:32.719 --> 00:43:38.679
as someone who takes who understands how
important it is to present these things

535
00:43:38.960 --> 00:43:45.519
in an objective, logical way,
intelligent way. That's really our number one

536
00:43:45.559 --> 00:43:47.840
goal, more than anything else.
And another thing I want to add to

537
00:43:47.960 --> 00:43:53.199
that is that a driver for this
second film, and this is hard for

538
00:43:53.960 --> 00:43:59.320
it was really hard for us to
even comprehend after the film. So the

539
00:43:59.360 --> 00:44:02.519
film that we did stand was completed
in twenty thirteen, it didn't get picked

540
00:44:02.559 --> 00:44:07.800
up by a distributor until twenty seventeen, so there was a end of twenty

541
00:44:07.800 --> 00:44:12.119
thirteen, so there was a three
year gap there before it got picked up

542
00:44:12.119 --> 00:44:16.639
and distributed. And the time it
finally got out on digital platforms and eventually

543
00:44:16.679 --> 00:44:22.960
on Netflix, we were inundated with
people responding on our Facebook page and through

544
00:44:23.039 --> 00:44:28.119
email saying, thank you so much
for making this movie. I know I'm

545
00:44:28.119 --> 00:44:30.039
not alone, thank you so much
for sharing this. I'm not crazy.

546
00:44:30.840 --> 00:44:36.239
These things happen, and to this
day, I just responded to somebody yesterday.

547
00:44:37.440 --> 00:44:39.280
People are reaching outside. I just
saw the film. I have to

548
00:44:39.280 --> 00:44:45.960
tell you my story. And I'm
not kidding Alejandro when I say it's probably

549
00:44:45.159 --> 00:44:52.000
close to a thousand different emails specifically
saying this is my story. I had

550
00:44:52.000 --> 00:44:54.840
something similar. Can I talk to
somebody about what happened to me? And

551
00:44:55.239 --> 00:44:59.000
that was a catalyst for us to
say, there's a lot of people who

552
00:44:59.079 --> 00:45:01.880
won't tell their s Two people that
I engage with within the last two weeks

553
00:45:01.880 --> 00:45:07.320
said I can't talk about this to
anyone because I'm a public figure. I

554
00:45:07.360 --> 00:45:12.159
can't talk to this about my family
because I'll be ridicule. So there are

555
00:45:12.159 --> 00:45:15.840
people out there that are that are
keeping these things inside and they're not having

556
00:45:15.880 --> 00:45:22.360
an audience for it because they're afraid
of how they're going to be marked and

557
00:45:22.800 --> 00:45:24.719
a person that they could look to
as being the reason why they would never

558
00:45:24.760 --> 00:45:30.239
tell anybody a stand You know,
why would you Why would anybody raise their

559
00:45:30.239 --> 00:45:34.440
hand and say this happened to me
when you can be a subject to so

560
00:45:34.519 --> 00:45:38.719
much ridicule. And I completely understand
people reacting to the legal case against him

561
00:45:38.920 --> 00:45:44.400
as being a reason to discredit him
completely. Fine that you're you're entitled to

562
00:45:44.440 --> 00:45:47.280
that stance. You know, that's
fine, But when when you talk about

563
00:45:47.320 --> 00:45:52.239
somebody who's been through something traumatic,
you really have to ask why would anybody

564
00:45:52.320 --> 00:45:57.679
raise their hand and draw attention to
themselves in this manner? Because usually the

565
00:45:57.800 --> 00:46:01.280
end result is not a positive one. And you know, I think that

566
00:46:01.280 --> 00:46:05.519
that is one of the great points
and why we have to pay attention to

567
00:46:05.840 --> 00:46:12.159
abduction, uh, the phenomena because
it is a phenomena in that there are

568
00:46:12.360 --> 00:46:16.000
so many people reporting this, and
like you said, a lot of these

569
00:46:16.000 --> 00:46:22.159
people are very credible people. And
even though it's hard to find physical evidence

570
00:46:22.480 --> 00:46:28.559
for the most part, Uh,
the amount of anecdotal evidence is really overwhelming.

571
00:46:30.480 --> 00:46:32.760
Now, did you find that to
be true? Because now you tackled

572
00:46:32.840 --> 00:46:38.519
kind of a niche inside of this
fringe topic already of people who believe they're

573
00:46:38.599 --> 00:46:45.960
part of a hybridization program, like
aliens are trying to create these human alien

574
00:46:45.159 --> 00:46:52.079
hybrids. Now, did you find
a lot of people that we had feelings

575
00:46:52.119 --> 00:46:59.639
along those lines? John, I'll
start that one. I guess John,

576
00:47:00.239 --> 00:47:02.760
to split answers. We try to
go back and forth, but we never

577
00:47:02.800 --> 00:47:08.960
know who wants to answer something first. No, Yes, we were surprised

578
00:47:09.000 --> 00:47:15.360
by Now again, during it was
during our research that we were doing for

579
00:47:15.400 --> 00:47:20.920
the Romanic documentary that we actually started
meeting people who were talking about this.

580
00:47:21.039 --> 00:47:27.800
In particular, we had met a
couple of women who talked about having these

581
00:47:27.960 --> 00:47:36.679
unexplained pregnancies and abduction scenarios and all
of the trimmings associated with being abducted and

582
00:47:36.960 --> 00:47:44.360
being tested in some way that had
to do with reproduction and women meeting women

583
00:47:44.400 --> 00:47:49.039
who were saying well, also,
I was later on whether it was two

584
00:47:49.079 --> 00:47:54.039
years later or more introduced when I
had an abduction apparently aboard some kind of

585
00:47:54.119 --> 00:48:00.119
a craft where they're introduced to their
hybrid children and they feel the strong emotion

586
00:48:00.320 --> 00:48:02.880
tie to it. So when John
and I started hearing these stories, and

587
00:48:04.079 --> 00:48:08.880
plus the fact it was one of
the most compelling parts of stand story were

588
00:48:08.920 --> 00:48:15.239
these kids, were these phone calls
he was getting from apparently these hybrid children,

589
00:48:15.679 --> 00:48:17.840
and some of the photographs and some
of the other stuff that was happening,

590
00:48:19.400 --> 00:48:23.840
And we just felt, between that
and the stories we were hearing from

591
00:48:23.960 --> 00:48:30.760
women and men who were being abducted
and being experimented with from a reproductive standpoint

592
00:48:30.800 --> 00:48:36.599
as well, that this was just
the logical next step. And we knew

593
00:48:36.639 --> 00:48:38.880
we had enough. We knew we
had enough people who were willing to talk

594
00:48:38.880 --> 00:48:44.840
about their experiences. Now, one
thing that was different was that this was

595
00:48:44.880 --> 00:48:50.400
one of those things that was harder
to get evidence. We were spoiled with

596
00:48:50.599 --> 00:48:57.440
the romanic documentary, and that we
had ten years of evidence and you know,

597
00:48:57.480 --> 00:49:01.480
whether it's physical evidence, audio visual
evidence that we could present to people

598
00:49:01.920 --> 00:49:06.880
with this story. There was a
lot of people telling their stories, but

599
00:49:07.360 --> 00:49:12.840
you know, doctors don't talk.
Even doctors, their doctors who you know,

600
00:49:12.840 --> 00:49:15.679
know about these false pregnancies, they
don't want to talk about it on

601
00:49:15.679 --> 00:49:17.639
the record because of their careers.
They don't want to go out on a

602
00:49:17.679 --> 00:49:21.679
limb to say, oh, yeah, this was the strangest thing I've ever

603
00:49:21.719 --> 00:49:24.000
seen. So you're not going to
get them to talk about it. And

604
00:49:24.239 --> 00:49:28.400
it's not the kind of thing that
you know, as far as John and

605
00:49:28.440 --> 00:49:30.079
I and all the research we've done, we haven't really come up with too

606
00:49:30.119 --> 00:49:36.000
many photos of hybrid children out there. So, yeah, it was I'm

607
00:49:36.039 --> 00:49:38.079
not brought you off right there,
sorry, just because we got to go

608
00:49:38.079 --> 00:49:42.639
to break. No, it's not
necessarily you're We're going to go to a

609
00:49:42.639 --> 00:49:45.599
break real quick. We those of
you listening on the radio, we'll hear

610
00:49:45.800 --> 00:49:51.199
a commercial. The rest will hear
a short musical interlude. But yeah,

611
00:49:50.800 --> 00:49:55.360
we've already used TEP twenty four minutes, so we'll be right back with John

612
00:49:55.400 --> 00:50:00.039
and Jack talking about extraordinary This scene. Very exciting stuff, So stay tuned.

613
00:50:19.920 --> 00:50:23.119
Welcome back to Open Mind UFO Radio. We're here with Jack and John

614
00:50:23.239 --> 00:50:30.119
talking about extraordinary the seeding. I
keep wanting to say seedling. But before

615
00:50:30.119 --> 00:50:32.519
we went into break, Jack,
you were talking about how hard it was

616
00:50:32.639 --> 00:50:37.719
in this kind of uh, this
this area of the phenomena where people are

617
00:50:37.719 --> 00:50:42.960
claiming to have, you know,
these experiences where they're having these hybrid children

618
00:50:43.199 --> 00:50:46.960
during their abduction experiences. But that
you heard from a lot and a lot,

619
00:50:47.119 --> 00:50:52.079
but it was harder to gather evidence. You were mentioning, you know,

620
00:50:53.159 --> 00:51:00.559
doctors in that people had experience where
they were pregnant and then not pregnant.

621
00:51:00.679 --> 00:51:04.079
Is that what I'm getting? So
people who actually went to the doctor

622
00:51:04.119 --> 00:51:09.559
were told they're pregnant, then the
baby was no longer there, but uh,

623
00:51:10.000 --> 00:51:14.880
and they had a memory of the
baby being taken or something like that.

624
00:51:14.920 --> 00:51:17.960
Maybe you could walk us through that
correct and and a lot of times

625
00:51:17.960 --> 00:51:23.800
so they would go to, uh, they're pregnant, they get they have

626
00:51:23.840 --> 00:51:28.280
a guynecologist, they have their doctor. They're going to uh, they're going

627
00:51:28.320 --> 00:51:32.840
through the pregnancy process. Two or
three months into it, overnight the baby's

628
00:51:32.840 --> 00:51:37.559
gone. They feel like the baby's
gone. But a miscarriage, right exactly.

629
00:51:37.599 --> 00:51:42.639
That's the key, John, Not
a miscarriage. There's nothing there to

630
00:51:43.039 --> 00:51:46.559
suggest a miscarriage. And they'll go
to the doctor's office and they'll say the

631
00:51:46.599 --> 00:51:52.719
baby's gone, and the doctor will
examine them and be like, okay,

632
00:51:52.840 --> 00:51:57.760
what it's In a lot of cases, doctors I don't know they've ever seen

633
00:51:57.800 --> 00:52:00.400
anything like this, or some doctors
will say, will your body absorbed the

634
00:52:00.440 --> 00:52:05.719
fetus? So that's why there's nothing
that there's nothing there at all. But

635
00:52:05.760 --> 00:52:12.840
then they'll also test do a gynecological
test and determine that there's and John,

636
00:52:13.280 --> 00:52:17.239
it helped me with this, there's
things going on with them gynocologically that's scaring,

637
00:52:17.400 --> 00:52:22.440
uteral scarring and saying, you know, three different people that we spoke

638
00:52:22.519 --> 00:52:28.599
to shared very similar stories where their
doctors, through exam said what happened to

639
00:52:28.639 --> 00:52:30.719
you? What type of procedure did
you have? You know, there's there's

640
00:52:30.760 --> 00:52:35.239
so much scar tissue, and they
was like, I've never been I've never

641
00:52:35.320 --> 00:52:39.519
had any surgical procedures whatsoever. So
those are head scratching moments for the physicians

642
00:52:39.519 --> 00:52:45.400
when they go through that process.
We came pretty close to getting a physician

643
00:52:45.440 --> 00:52:50.639
to go on the record, had
several conversations. He completely agreed that this

644
00:52:50.719 --> 00:52:53.719
is a phenomenon that is happening,
the whole idea of someone being pregnant one

645
00:52:53.719 --> 00:52:57.960
moment and then not. He wasn't
going to say that it's aliens, but

646
00:52:58.039 --> 00:53:02.360
he was saying it's confounding because because
you know, the easy medical response is

647
00:53:02.639 --> 00:53:07.239
that the body absorbed the child,
a miss missing fetus syndrome type of thing,

648
00:53:07.800 --> 00:53:13.280
and uh, you know that that's
the easy out from from a scientific

649
00:53:13.360 --> 00:53:15.119
point of view, and he was
saying that there's something more to this.

650
00:53:15.559 --> 00:53:19.760
We couldn't get him to go on
the record. Eventually he decided not to,

651
00:53:20.320 --> 00:53:22.000
but we we kind of put an
all call out to a whole bunch

652
00:53:22.000 --> 00:53:25.519
of people to say, who can
connect us to a physician that would be

653
00:53:25.519 --> 00:53:29.880
willing to talk about this, And
we had two or three different people that

654
00:53:29.880 --> 00:53:34.320
that the conversations got to a point
where they were curious about what we were

655
00:53:34.360 --> 00:53:37.360
doing, but never never committed for
obvious reasons. You know, unless they're

656
00:53:37.519 --> 00:53:40.840
unless they're at the end of the
twilight of their career, they're probably not

657
00:53:40.840 --> 00:53:44.800
going to go on the record with
something like this because it could be damaging

658
00:53:44.840 --> 00:53:49.760
to their career, but to double
back on one of the things that Jack

659
00:53:49.880 --> 00:53:52.639
was talking about before and you know, the question that you had asked earlier

660
00:53:52.679 --> 00:53:59.039
before the break. We we interviewed
about thirty different women, uh in men

661
00:53:59.199 --> 00:54:02.639
for this film, and several of
them were not willing, you know,

662
00:54:02.679 --> 00:54:06.920
once they had a chance to talk
about and tell their stories, they weren't

663
00:54:06.920 --> 00:54:12.079
willing to be go on camera.
And the primary reason was the backlash.

664
00:54:12.119 --> 00:54:14.519
What's this going to mean to my
career? What's this going to mean to

665
00:54:14.559 --> 00:54:17.000
my family? And even the three
people that we wound up being the principles

666
00:54:17.039 --> 00:54:22.440
that are featured in this film,
we had to make it very clear to

667
00:54:22.480 --> 00:54:28.480
them is that, you know,
once this film goes global, your life

668
00:54:28.559 --> 00:54:31.599
is exposed to the for all the
world to see. Are you okay with

669
00:54:31.639 --> 00:54:35.159
that? And we had to say
that to everybody and a lot of people

670
00:54:35.199 --> 00:54:37.880
said no, I'm not okay with
that. They're frightened by what that would

671
00:54:37.920 --> 00:54:44.559
mean. And the three people they
wound up stepping forward to be filmed are

672
00:54:44.599 --> 00:54:49.719
aware that a tidal wave may be
coming their way come this fall. So

673
00:54:50.079 --> 00:54:52.119
it was a process that we went
through to qualify the people, and we

674
00:54:52.199 --> 00:54:55.400
wanted to make sure a couple of
things. One, they were credible.

675
00:54:55.800 --> 00:54:59.679
There were people just like you and
me, people you know, you're next

676
00:54:59.679 --> 00:55:04.400
door, Gabor, a co worker, a family member. We wanted to

677
00:55:04.440 --> 00:55:07.440
make sure that their stories were compelling. We wanted to make sure that their

678
00:55:07.480 --> 00:55:14.159
stories or their their presentation was something
that people would be engaged with. So

679
00:55:14.559 --> 00:55:21.519
we paired it down to three people
primarily Geraldine, Robin April, who have

680
00:55:21.679 --> 00:55:24.559
never really been focused on their stories
aren't out there. Their their new,

681
00:55:24.840 --> 00:55:30.920
newer stories. So there are people
who you're not going to see in the

682
00:55:31.440 --> 00:55:37.320
circuit of the different UFO shows.
They're new people that have been willing to

683
00:55:37.960 --> 00:55:45.639
risk exposure and risk their stories and
risk their privacy as a result of volunteering.

684
00:55:45.679 --> 00:55:55.360
But it's important work and they understood
that right. So with these people,

685
00:55:55.440 --> 00:55:59.199
I guess with some of the stories
that you heard, did you run

686
00:55:59.239 --> 00:56:02.840
across anybody? Because I'm not even
sure if this is so much a thing.

687
00:56:02.880 --> 00:56:06.360
I think people would assume it is, but I want to hear from

688
00:56:06.400 --> 00:56:10.519
people who actually talked with individuals.
Did you run across many people who you

689
00:56:10.599 --> 00:56:17.480
felt we were making up their story? Not many, if at all?

690
00:56:19.039 --> 00:56:22.119
If any, there was fear,
genuine fear with some of the people and

691
00:56:22.400 --> 00:56:29.679
the retelling of their stories. I
mean, we spent a month doing almost

692
00:56:29.679 --> 00:56:32.239
every single person we spoke to.
When we're going through the process of vetting

693
00:56:32.280 --> 00:56:37.320
and qualifying people, it was a
two hour phone call and almost every single

694
00:56:37.360 --> 00:56:40.639
one of them. With the women, they cried. There was an emotional

695
00:56:40.679 --> 00:56:45.400
retelling and some of them were it
was very difficult for them to kind of

696
00:56:45.440 --> 00:56:47.320
go through the process of reliving that. And again, I'll go back to

697
00:56:47.360 --> 00:56:51.559
the whole thing with Stan. We
saw Stan in vulnerable moments that most people

698
00:56:51.599 --> 00:56:54.400
who have watched the film think it's
just a promotion of his life and his

699
00:56:54.440 --> 00:57:00.360
story for a financial gain, which
is ridiculous. If you've been with somebody

700
00:57:00.400 --> 00:57:02.360
who has been through something like this, you see the trauma, you see

701
00:57:02.400 --> 00:57:07.199
the emotion, you see the fear, you see you know how they respond

702
00:57:07.239 --> 00:57:10.079
to ridicule. And when you're sitting
on the phone screening somebody and you hear

703
00:57:10.159 --> 00:57:16.559
them tell their story and it is
a very emotional story for them, you

704
00:57:17.440 --> 00:57:22.559
engage and why would And most of
the people we spoke to had never told

705
00:57:22.599 --> 00:57:27.000
their stories before. The people that
we were kind of screening for the primary

706
00:57:27.039 --> 00:57:30.119
stories, they had never shared their
stories publicly before, and that was important

707
00:57:30.119 --> 00:57:34.599
to us because what do they have
to gain. The three people in this

708
00:57:35.079 --> 00:57:37.920
one of them Geraldine de Rosco.
From the time we first spoke to her

709
00:57:37.960 --> 00:57:45.280
to today, her story has grown. She has had a lot of exposure

710
00:57:45.599 --> 00:57:49.360
through some of the things that she's
been doing because her story is very unique.

711
00:57:49.519 --> 00:57:52.599
Her career, she gave up a
six figure career, she gave up

712
00:57:52.599 --> 00:57:55.559
an engagement to her fiance because of
the experiences that she had and what she

713
00:57:55.679 --> 00:58:00.320
learned through two regressions. She said, I can't I can't not do this.

714
00:58:00.480 --> 00:58:04.639
I have to help people who've been
through something similar to me. And

715
00:58:04.719 --> 00:58:07.960
she's dedicated her life. She's in
her thirties, she's dedicated her life now

716
00:58:07.960 --> 00:58:10.639
to help people who've been through similar
situations that she's been through. So when

717
00:58:10.639 --> 00:58:15.639
you hear stories like that, there's
a lot of conviction and commitment to a

718
00:58:15.760 --> 00:58:21.239
different an alternative life path as a
result of an event that happened, in

719
00:58:21.400 --> 00:58:23.920
multiple events that happened to her.
So those are stories. Then the other

720
00:58:23.960 --> 00:58:29.039
two are very different, and we
hope that when people see the film they'll

721
00:58:29.079 --> 00:58:34.159
realize that there's a lot of different
ways that people are having these abduction and

722
00:58:34.199 --> 00:58:37.000
fertilization experiences. There's not you know, we think of reproduction in a sexual

723
00:58:37.000 --> 00:58:40.480
manner. That's not necessarily the way
it is, although there are some stories

724
00:58:40.519 --> 00:58:45.440
of that as well. So it's
just something. It's very compelling, you

725
00:58:45.480 --> 00:58:49.599
know, when you're talking to people
and hearing their stories and they're sharing it

726
00:58:49.639 --> 00:58:52.639
from an emotional from a fear based
perspective, from a I'm afraid that if

727
00:58:52.679 --> 00:58:55.800
this gets out, it's going to
ruin my life type of thing. So

728
00:58:57.039 --> 00:58:59.639
to answer your question, well,
we didn't come across you know, thirty

729
00:58:59.639 --> 00:59:04.159
people was not a global sample by
any means, but the people that we

730
00:59:04.159 --> 00:59:07.760
spoke to, no one that we
talked to we felt were misleading us in

731
00:59:07.800 --> 00:59:12.639
any way. And the reason I
ask is, I think a lot of

732
00:59:12.679 --> 00:59:15.519
people said, oh, you know, they heard they were making this movie,

733
00:59:15.559 --> 00:59:16.960
so they just tried to get into
the movie or something like that.

734
00:59:17.039 --> 00:59:22.440
But you know, as you stated, and I would personally trust what you

735
00:59:22.440 --> 00:59:25.360
guys have to say is that you
vetted these people at least to find them

736
00:59:25.360 --> 00:59:30.559
compelling yourself. Now you talk to
thirty people, do you think there are

737
00:59:30.599 --> 00:59:32.960
a lot more? Like? How
do you do you have any sense of

738
00:59:34.039 --> 00:59:40.679
how many more people out there believe
these they've had these experiences. Well,

739
00:59:40.719 --> 00:59:47.119
I think if you extrapolate some there
are researchers, people such as Barbara Lamb

740
00:59:47.159 --> 00:59:53.159
and Yvonne Smith who deal with people, these people who have had these experiences

741
00:59:53.199 --> 00:59:59.960
all the time, and they're doing
regression therapy and other therapies with these people.

742
01:00:01.320 --> 01:00:05.079
I think Barbara Lamb one of them. And I can't remember who said

743
01:00:05.079 --> 01:00:07.360
it, but it's at least tens
of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands

744
01:00:07.400 --> 01:00:15.280
of people throughout the world. And
that's just an extrapolated number, but it

745
01:00:15.320 --> 01:00:20.400
could even be more than that.
You know. Here's the thing, Alejandro

746
01:00:20.440 --> 01:00:22.679
and I think this is an important
thing for everyone to remember, is that

747
01:00:24.480 --> 01:00:30.639
regardless of what this is, and
again in this film, we don't try

748
01:00:30.639 --> 01:00:34.119
to tell people what this is,
we don't know what's going on. We

749
01:00:34.199 --> 01:00:40.719
have no clue, and in most
cases people have who are experiencing experiencing these

750
01:00:40.760 --> 01:00:45.639
things, have no clue. They're
scared, they feel alone, they feel

751
01:00:45.639 --> 01:00:51.039
isolated, their lives are turned upside
down, but they no one really knows

752
01:00:51.079 --> 01:00:54.960
what's going on. And but one
thing we do know for sure is that

753
01:00:55.199 --> 01:00:59.880
it's part of the human experience.
It's part of the human can do.

754
01:01:00.679 --> 01:01:05.719
This is happening to a lot of
people. A lot of people are suffering.

755
01:01:05.960 --> 01:01:09.079
They're suffering alone because they feel like
they can't talk to anybody about it.

756
01:01:09.239 --> 01:01:16.159
Their relationships, their marriages are suffering
because of it. And that's the

757
01:01:16.199 --> 01:01:21.760
important thing for people to remember here
where it's not so much Okay, what

758
01:01:22.039 --> 01:01:29.119
is it? Is it this et
race doing these experiments andation hybridization experiments to

759
01:01:29.159 --> 01:01:31.320
take over the world. Well,
that's just one theory, and we do

760
01:01:31.400 --> 01:01:35.320
get into that, and we're going
to be getting into that more in our

761
01:01:35.360 --> 01:01:40.280
next film. But the important thing
to remember is the fact that people are

762
01:01:40.360 --> 01:01:49.440
having these experiences and they are suffering, and they're they're going through profound emotional

763
01:01:51.320 --> 01:01:57.360
experience. They're they're experiencing profound emotions
because of it, and as other human

764
01:01:57.400 --> 01:02:00.760
beings, because we're all part of
the same human race, I think it's

765
01:02:00.800 --> 01:02:05.000
important for us to at least consider
it and be compassionate about. Wow,

766
01:02:05.159 --> 01:02:08.360
Well, maybe they are definitely going
through this and there's something we should consider

767
01:02:08.400 --> 01:02:14.960
and be empathetic about, right,
Yeah, I mean personally, having been

768
01:02:14.960 --> 01:02:17.079
in this build for so long,
I've heard some of these stories and you

769
01:02:17.119 --> 01:02:22.320
can't help but feel for these people, and they do are very compelling.

770
01:02:22.440 --> 01:02:25.400
Who I will send them to some
of the people you mentioned, like Avonne

771
01:02:25.400 --> 01:02:30.000
Smith, who's a licensed therapist name
with Barbara Lamb. I mean, they're

772
01:02:30.079 --> 01:02:35.800
licensed to do this sort of work
on multiple issues, not just this.

773
01:02:36.559 --> 01:02:42.559
But you know, I would say
the same that it's a hard thing to

774
01:02:42.599 --> 01:02:46.320
think about as being real, but
the stories are really compelling. And that's

775
01:02:46.599 --> 01:02:52.000
what's exciting about your film is that
you're putting forth some of these compelling stories.

776
01:02:53.320 --> 01:02:57.320
And we think that by telling these
stories, a couple of things are

777
01:02:57.320 --> 01:03:00.239
going to happen. It's going to
create awareness to a phenomenon that not a

778
01:03:00.280 --> 01:03:04.079
lot of people know about. So
our goal with making this film is to

779
01:03:04.119 --> 01:03:07.159
move it from the shadows, from
the fringes and into the spotlight and into

780
01:03:07.880 --> 01:03:12.840
to the masses, making accessible to
the masses. So by doing that,

781
01:03:12.880 --> 01:03:16.599
we create awareness to something that other
people might not have even comprehended before or

782
01:03:16.599 --> 01:03:21.599
even heard of before. That's one
thing. The second thing is to encourage,

783
01:03:21.920 --> 01:03:25.719
as Jack said, humanity to be
compassionate and empathetic so that we care

784
01:03:25.800 --> 01:03:30.239
about people who've been through something like
this. As Melinda Leslie says, in

785
01:03:30.239 --> 01:03:34.239
the film. When someone that you
know has has cancer, or someone loses

786
01:03:34.239 --> 01:03:37.400
a family member, or someone goes
through a divorce, we're there for them.

787
01:03:38.360 --> 01:03:43.440
There's moral support. But why when
somebody says they've been through an experience

788
01:03:43.519 --> 01:03:45.719
like this, do we walk white
circles around them? So that's another part.

789
01:03:45.800 --> 01:03:50.239
Let's be compassionate, let's encourage empathy. And the third thing is for

790
01:03:50.280 --> 01:03:52.400
the people who've had these experiences,
you need to know that there's a trybo

791
01:03:52.400 --> 01:03:55.360
out there who's had them just like
you have, who are willing to get

792
01:03:55.360 --> 01:04:00.840
together and work with each other to
help them cope and move move through life

793
01:04:00.119 --> 01:04:03.679
knowing that something like this has happened
with them. So we want to create

794
01:04:03.679 --> 01:04:11.280
awareness, encourage empathy and compassion and
let people note there's somebody out there who

795
01:04:11.320 --> 01:04:14.000
can listen to you and you can
tell your story. You don't have to

796
01:04:14.079 --> 01:04:16.440
keep it a secret because the longer
you keep it in, the harder it

797
01:04:16.519 --> 01:04:18.400
is for you to deal with it. And it can you know, and

798
01:04:18.440 --> 01:04:21.960
some people it just eats at them
for a long period of time to the

799
01:04:21.960 --> 01:04:27.559
point that it's you know, the
trauma is emotionally severe to them. So

800
01:04:27.800 --> 01:04:30.199
you know, we didn't start this
film, thinking it was going to turn

801
01:04:30.239 --> 01:04:33.840
into something that was more emotionally driven, but as we went through it,

802
01:04:33.880 --> 01:04:38.639
we realized more and more that this
is an emotional story. This is about

803
01:04:38.719 --> 01:04:42.360
humanity, This is about compassion,
this is about we're all in this together.

804
01:04:42.480 --> 01:04:45.760
How can we help people who may
have experienced something that we can't quite

805
01:04:45.880 --> 01:04:50.000
understand? And, as Susan Bedell
says in the film, unless it's happened

806
01:04:50.000 --> 01:04:55.360
to you, it's just a story, right, So you know, that's

807
01:04:55.360 --> 01:04:59.360
an important point. I think it's
one of the lines I remember most from

808
01:04:59.400 --> 01:05:02.519
the film that for the people who've
had the experience, who are listening to

809
01:05:02.559 --> 01:05:05.119
this show right now, they're shaking
their head up and down and going,

810
01:05:05.599 --> 01:05:10.000
yeah, that's how I feel.
And for the people who never had an

811
01:05:10.039 --> 01:05:13.880
experience, hopefully they're going, well, maybe I should listen to people that

812
01:05:14.079 --> 01:05:15.679
you know, have said they've had
something weird to them. That's what we

813
01:05:15.719 --> 01:05:20.800
want to have happened. That's the
emotional component, the compelling humanity advancement that

814
01:05:20.840 --> 01:05:25.599
we're hoping will happen. It sounds
lofty, but we ultimately feel like if

815
01:05:25.599 --> 01:05:28.960
this reaches a wide audience in the
way that we think it will, it

816
01:05:29.000 --> 01:05:33.880
will it will open some eyes and
encourage a more human approach to people who've

817
01:05:33.880 --> 01:05:38.079
been through something that we can't quite
understand, and we don't understand it,

818
01:05:38.840 --> 01:05:42.039
but we can see. We can
see the emotion, we can see the

819
01:05:42.079 --> 01:05:45.960
pain, we can see the trauma
in the eyes and in the stories and

820
01:05:45.000 --> 01:05:50.480
the responses of the people that we've
interviewed. I want to ask this too,

821
01:05:50.800 --> 01:05:55.280
so bringing some of the latest news
into it, there are a lot

822
01:05:55.320 --> 01:05:59.400
of people in the UFO community who
feel like, you know, this Pentagon

823
01:05:59.480 --> 01:06:05.320
project and it's revelation about the government
taking UFO seriously is just the beginning of

824
01:06:05.440 --> 01:06:10.000
kind of an unveiling that they know
about all of this stuff. They know

825
01:06:10.199 --> 01:06:14.239
that these sort of things that are
in your film are going on and happening.

826
01:06:14.719 --> 01:06:18.480
How do you all feel about that
theory or do you think the government

827
01:06:18.639 --> 01:06:27.519
might be not if this is happening, might not know anything themselves. Well,

828
01:06:27.719 --> 01:06:30.519
you know, again, we've spoken
to so many people, and we

829
01:06:30.599 --> 01:06:35.079
actually just finished filming our third documentary
and we talked to a lot of ex

830
01:06:35.159 --> 01:06:42.719
military guys in that and you know, it's you get different opinions, but

831
01:06:44.239 --> 01:06:49.320
it seems like the government now is
they're dripping out information little by little,

832
01:06:49.920 --> 01:06:54.320
But there's a lot of people that
believe, well, you know what they

833
01:06:54.360 --> 01:06:57.960
had, they've had every right to
hold this back from us because it would

834
01:06:58.039 --> 01:07:01.920
just be too much for people to
handle. And there is actually a part

835
01:07:01.920 --> 01:07:05.280
of me that agrees with that.
I don't think that government secrecy is a

836
01:07:05.280 --> 01:07:10.599
good thing. I'm not saying that
at all, But when you think about

837
01:07:11.280 --> 01:07:20.480
how what the implications are when it
comes to UFOs ets et contact and some

838
01:07:20.599 --> 01:07:26.960
of the possible programs that the military
end or ets have been involved in,

839
01:07:27.920 --> 01:07:32.920
there is a lot to answer for
if it all comes out, because imagine

840
01:07:32.960 --> 01:07:38.840
all the people who have been abducted, Imagine all the people who do have

841
01:07:38.920 --> 01:07:43.480
hybrid children here and on other planets
and what you know, imagine if it

842
01:07:43.519 --> 01:07:45.599
came out. Oh yeah, you
know, okay, you know, we

843
01:07:45.679 --> 01:07:48.000
kept it quiet during the Cold War
because you know, we didn't want to

844
01:07:48.039 --> 01:07:51.320
it was national security issue. But
we feel at this point that everyone needs

845
01:07:51.360 --> 01:07:57.599
to know. That's a heavy that's
heavy stuff. And you know, John

846
01:07:57.639 --> 01:08:00.400
and I we have long conversations about
this. You know, what, how

847
01:08:00.400 --> 01:08:03.360
are they how would they ever come
out with all of it? You know,

848
01:08:03.480 --> 01:08:12.360
it's almost impossible, right right,
because yeah, and it seems like

849
01:08:12.400 --> 01:08:15.199
it's a soft disclosure. And uh, you know, more and more we

850
01:08:15.199 --> 01:08:19.600
talk to different people and experts who
have been studying this for for you know,

851
01:08:19.800 --> 01:08:26.359
decades. Uh, there's this belief
that it's the disclosure isn't going to

852
01:08:26.399 --> 01:08:29.720
come from the government. They're just
not going to do it. It's going

853
01:08:29.800 --> 01:08:31.880
to have to come from the people
in some way, shape or form or

854
01:08:31.880 --> 01:08:36.279
that. You know, information is
discovered, stories are told, exposure,

855
01:08:36.479 --> 01:08:40.760
you know, not like the hoaxing
images that you see on YouTube. It's

856
01:08:41.000 --> 01:08:45.239
those things are just not uh,
I mean, there's just too much of

857
01:08:45.239 --> 01:08:48.800
that. People trying to pass something
off as some revelation when it's really not.

858
01:08:48.920 --> 01:08:51.520
And that's unfortunate, but that's the
world that we live in. You

859
01:08:51.560 --> 01:08:56.479
know, getting clicks is a big
deal. But we think that, you

860
01:08:56.479 --> 01:08:58.840
know, based on the different things
that we've heard about, you know,

861
01:08:58.960 --> 01:09:01.560
to me, one of the things
I found very compelling during the interview process

862
01:09:01.600 --> 01:09:05.560
we just completed a few weeks ago
for our third film, is that the

863
01:09:05.600 --> 01:09:11.520
storyline has changed from UFOs to UAPs. It's almost as if they're trying to

864
01:09:11.560 --> 01:09:15.880
like that old story is that's old
stuff, that's not important. The UAP

865
01:09:15.079 --> 01:09:20.880
stuff is all about technology, and
the first disclosure is going to be advanced

866
01:09:20.920 --> 01:09:25.000
technology, and then down the road, Oh, by the way, this

867
01:09:25.079 --> 01:09:28.880
is who we got it from.
And to me, that's kind of crazy

868
01:09:28.920 --> 01:09:32.960
because if there's advanced technology that we
got from somewhere else, there's intelligent life

869
01:09:33.000 --> 01:09:38.920
that created that advanced technology that we
learned from. So how can you put

870
01:09:38.920 --> 01:09:42.680
the car before the horse? But
it seems like they're trying to control the

871
01:09:42.760 --> 01:09:46.479
narrative. Yeah, I mean maybe
I'm kind of I don't know. I

872
01:09:46.520 --> 01:09:50.479
don't see that yet looking at the
details, but it may be. But

873
01:09:50.720 --> 01:09:55.920
either way, I think you made
a good point. So if we're having

874
01:09:55.960 --> 01:10:01.479
secrets kept from us, or if
they don't know, nobody really knows.

875
01:10:01.920 --> 01:10:08.000
Either way, it's important that we
take it upon ourselves to listen to these

876
01:10:08.039 --> 01:10:12.439
stories and try to understand these things, which is what makes you know,

877
01:10:12.640 --> 01:10:17.119
doing your film so important. And
what's interesting is that it has been so

878
01:10:17.399 --> 01:10:20.800
well received. I mean, was
that shocking? Did you guys get embarrassed

879
01:10:20.800 --> 01:10:25.840
at all? Like going to the
Pasadena Film Festival and putting forward your film.

880
01:10:25.880 --> 01:10:29.479
Were you nervous that they would just
kind of roll their eyes and not

881
01:10:29.560 --> 01:10:35.840
let you even be included when you
went through that process. For me,

882
01:10:36.319 --> 01:10:41.119
my response to that is I knew
when the film was the final cut of

883
01:10:41.119 --> 01:10:45.760
the film was done that we had
a important film. There was no nerves

884
01:10:45.800 --> 01:10:49.520
whatsoever for me at the first film
festival in Fort Lauderdale that we screened at,

885
01:10:49.560 --> 01:10:56.479
none at Pasadena, and the response
to both screenings that we were present

886
01:10:56.560 --> 01:11:01.199
for was overwhelmingly positive. In the
the Pasadena festival, I would say half

887
01:11:01.239 --> 01:11:05.239
of the people were in tears as
a result of seeing this film. So

888
01:11:05.520 --> 01:11:12.159
it's an emotional story. It's something
that grabs people in a way that no

889
01:11:12.319 --> 01:11:16.800
other UFO story has before because it's
about This film is about the people who've

890
01:11:16.800 --> 01:11:21.239
had things, who have been subjected
to the phenomena. When almost everything else

891
01:11:21.279 --> 01:11:26.920
that's out there is about the phenomena, very little has been discussed about the

892
01:11:26.920 --> 01:11:30.920
people who've been through and we take
a deep dive into the emotional impact that

893
01:11:30.199 --> 01:11:36.840
an experience has on an individual.
So interesting, and it's so interesting,

894
01:11:36.920 --> 01:11:43.119
I think, and that you know
it has been received so well. Was

895
01:11:43.159 --> 01:11:46.439
that I guess it wasn't shocking to
you, John, But what about you

896
01:11:46.560 --> 01:11:49.800
Jack, Because you've been doing this
paranormal step for a while and you know,

897
01:11:49.880 --> 01:11:54.119
the nineties were not friendly. I
don't feel, at least to the

898
01:11:54.239 --> 01:11:59.680
UFO topic. People were making fun
of it. It's not until recently that

899
01:12:00.079 --> 01:12:02.079
the mainstream media has kind of been
a little more friendly to all of this

900
01:12:02.119 --> 01:12:06.640
stuff and just not outright, you
know, making fun of people look into

901
01:12:06.680 --> 01:12:13.560
it. How has it been to
have your film so well received. Well,

902
01:12:13.600 --> 01:12:16.840
it's been an amazing experience. But
the one thing that John and I

903
01:12:16.920 --> 01:12:21.279
knew going into this whole thing when
we first started, was that we knew

904
01:12:21.319 --> 01:12:26.199
we were going to do it the
right way. So if you do it

905
01:12:26.239 --> 01:12:29.399
the right way, and you do
it with integrity, and you have a

906
01:12:29.439 --> 01:12:34.600
sense of purpose that's that is of
high integrity, and you're going to present

907
01:12:34.640 --> 01:12:40.560
things in that kind of a manner, then you know that. And one

908
01:12:40.560 --> 01:12:43.560
of the things we always try to
do and I did this with the ghost

909
01:12:43.600 --> 01:12:46.680
stuff too. You have the stories, but we always try to balance it

910
01:12:46.720 --> 01:12:50.159
with experts. So we always wanted
to get We want to get the researchers

911
01:12:50.159 --> 01:12:54.119
that have been doing this. We
want to get the people who have dedicated

912
01:12:54.159 --> 01:12:57.880
their lives to doing the research,
doing the work, and which is why

913
01:12:57.920 --> 01:13:00.880
we had you in the first two
films. That we did. Uh,

914
01:13:00.039 --> 01:13:03.399
you know, we want to get
people who were respected who will talk about

915
01:13:03.399 --> 01:13:08.439
this, and then you mix that
in with people's stories and the evidence,

916
01:13:08.479 --> 01:13:14.359
and you just present it in a
logical, objective manner, and it should

917
01:13:14.840 --> 01:13:17.680
do well. It should it should
go over well with people. And and

918
01:13:17.760 --> 01:13:20.920
John makes a great point, and
he always makes this point. I think

919
01:13:20.960 --> 01:13:27.399
it's the most important point. We're
making these films for everyone. We're not

920
01:13:27.560 --> 01:13:31.760
making these films for people who just
are totally into UFOs and already believe,

921
01:13:32.560 --> 01:13:36.039
and we're not, you know,
we're trying to hit the middle ground for

922
01:13:36.119 --> 01:13:40.520
people who are open minded enough to
at least say, I don't know if

923
01:13:40.520 --> 01:13:45.199
I believe this, but boy darned
it's stan Roman it go through hell.

924
01:13:45.800 --> 01:13:48.680
Or I don't know if I believe
this, but that woman sure did seem

925
01:13:48.720 --> 01:13:51.520
like she was telling the truth.
I might want to do my own research.

926
01:13:53.520 --> 01:13:57.119
Now. There are always My favorite
one though, is that is that

927
01:13:58.279 --> 01:14:00.800
I don't know if I believe this, but I sure wouldn't want to be

928
01:14:00.800 --> 01:14:04.399
that person, right all right,
unless it's happened to you, Unless it's

929
01:14:04.399 --> 01:14:10.600
happened to you, it's just a
story, right right, exactly? Well,

930
01:14:10.600 --> 01:14:15.960
that's yeah, well, that's what's
exciting, and of course the UFO

931
01:14:15.079 --> 01:14:19.199
Congress does include a lot more of
this sort of topic. So we always

932
01:14:19.239 --> 01:14:24.439
have a von Smith there who you
mentioned earlier, Kathleen Martin who works with

933
01:14:24.479 --> 01:14:29.159
the Mutual UFO Network and her of
course that she's related to someone who had

934
01:14:29.199 --> 01:14:33.239
a famous abduction experience. So we
have a lot of these people and I

935
01:14:33.239 --> 01:14:39.119
think even we're going to have Geraldina
Roscoe who's in the film, so it'll

936
01:14:39.159 --> 01:14:44.199
be that community and that's what's going
to be really exciting. It's too showcase

937
01:14:44.239 --> 01:14:48.279
your film there, but also uh, you know, have you got all

938
01:14:48.359 --> 01:14:54.000
there to be able to share with
stories like this that it's also being well

939
01:14:54.039 --> 01:15:00.840
received and people are you know,
considering these sort of things that have been

940
01:15:00.880 --> 01:15:06.199
considered by people like people at the
UFO Congress for many many years. My

941
01:15:06.279 --> 01:15:11.279
goodness. I mean Yvonne and Barbara
forrinted and have been doing this sort of

942
01:15:11.319 --> 01:15:17.479
work for decades, so it's been
out there, but really exciting stuff.

943
01:15:17.560 --> 01:15:25.520
I think that it's really brave courtous
for you all to tackle these topics and

944
01:15:25.840 --> 01:15:29.319
it's important for you know, we
may be embarrassed, but a lot of

945
01:15:29.359 --> 01:15:33.199
times the topics that were most nervous
to take a hard look at are the

946
01:15:33.239 --> 01:15:38.640
ones that we need to take the
hardest look at, right And I would

947
01:15:38.640 --> 01:15:42.399
say too that when we after we
made the first film, my mindset was

948
01:15:42.439 --> 01:15:45.800
that I wasn't going to do another
one of these in this genre because I

949
01:15:45.800 --> 01:15:49.720
didn't want to be pigeonholed as a
documentarian just within this space. But we

950
01:15:49.840 --> 01:15:57.239
had an opportunity to fund the second
film much easier than we did the first

951
01:15:57.239 --> 01:15:59.720
film, so it was like,
Okay, let's move down this path,

952
01:16:00.560 --> 01:16:03.079
let's do it again. But it
wasn't until you know, almost to the

953
01:16:03.199 --> 01:16:09.680
end of the filming of the interview
process for the second film, for the

954
01:16:09.720 --> 01:16:14.680
seating, that I realized what was
going on, and this was about helping

955
01:16:15.640 --> 01:16:19.840
people better understand what's happening to other
people. So for me it became a

956
01:16:20.279 --> 01:16:25.640
compelling human story, not an a
UFO or an ET story. To me

957
01:16:25.840 --> 01:16:30.039
that got me hook line and sinker, that got me in the fields,

958
01:16:30.079 --> 01:16:33.720
so to speak. So I felt
compelled that, Okay, I'm okay with

959
01:16:33.760 --> 01:16:39.239
this. I'm okay with telling these
stories because they're important to the people who've

960
01:16:39.239 --> 01:16:41.880
been through it, and if we
can help the people who haven't been through

961
01:16:41.920 --> 01:16:45.319
it better understand what's happening to people
who have been then we've done a very

962
01:16:46.039 --> 01:16:51.640
admirable thing. Well, I'm assuming
because the first film, eventually, like

963
01:16:51.680 --> 01:16:56.720
you said, it takes some time, got some great distribution, and it

964
01:16:56.800 --> 01:17:00.199
sounds like this film will get that
as well, so people will hopefully then

965
01:17:00.239 --> 01:17:02.520
be able to see it pretty much
on all the streaming platforms out there.

966
01:17:03.800 --> 01:17:06.359
Well, one of the things that
everybody asks is once it coming to Netflix,

967
01:17:06.399 --> 01:17:09.840
Well, that's not in our control, and I want to make sure

968
01:17:09.840 --> 01:17:13.600
that that's very clear. Is the
film is launching on digital platforms pay per

969
01:17:13.680 --> 01:17:17.720
view and digital download on September third. Our distributor will be pitching the film,

970
01:17:17.960 --> 01:17:21.439
but there's no guarantee. Netflix has
completely changed their model. It's all

971
01:17:21.479 --> 01:17:26.359
Netflix exclusive stuff these days, so
we don't know if it's going to land

972
01:17:26.439 --> 01:17:30.319
on Netflix, but there will be
every effort made to try to get it

973
01:17:30.359 --> 01:17:38.000
onto one of these ubiquitous platforms like
Amazon Prime or Netflix or Hulu or even

974
01:17:38.039 --> 01:17:41.920
Gaya TV. And there's a whole
bunch of new content platforms that are coming

975
01:17:41.920 --> 01:17:45.399
out too, Warner Brothers and CNN
and Disney, all of these places are

976
01:17:45.439 --> 01:17:47.039
going to be looking for content not
to say that this is going to wind

977
01:17:47.119 --> 01:17:53.199
up on Disney, but you know
there are our distributor will be looking for

978
01:17:53.239 --> 01:17:55.880
those channels. So for everybody whos
going to sit back and say, well,

979
01:17:55.920 --> 01:17:59.399
we'll wait to see when it's on
Netflix. We don't know that there's

980
01:17:59.439 --> 01:18:01.880
no guarantee that it's ever going to
be on that type of a platform,

981
01:18:01.960 --> 01:18:06.960
but we think the story is pretty
dark compelling m hm. So your website

982
01:18:08.119 --> 01:18:13.199
is J three Films dot com.
People can kind of get updates. There

983
01:18:13.560 --> 01:18:17.840
is there anywhere else people can keep
up to date? Yeah, Facebook dot

984
01:18:17.880 --> 01:18:25.680
com slash e x to the seeding
and that's where we have most of our

985
01:18:25.760 --> 01:18:30.159
engagement is on that. So it's
Facebook dot com slap backslash ex to the

986
01:18:30.239 --> 01:18:36.359
seeding. And if anybody listening wants
to comment or share their story or you

987
01:18:36.359 --> 01:18:40.239
know, say hey, who do
I talk to about this? We have

988
01:18:40.239 --> 01:18:43.840
connections to the people who are willing
to help, So definitely reach out to

989
01:18:43.960 --> 01:18:46.880
us and we'll do what we can
to have your story heard in a compassionate

990
01:18:47.319 --> 01:18:51.439
way that no one's judging you because
it's your story, it's unique to you,

991
01:18:51.960 --> 01:18:55.920
and if it's been traumatic in some
way, shape or form, and

992
01:18:56.199 --> 01:18:58.760
you need an outlet for it,
We'll do whatever we can to help you

993
01:18:58.760 --> 01:19:02.960
find that outlet. Well, thank
you guys. The time to absolutely flies.

994
01:19:03.039 --> 01:19:05.680
It feels like it was like five
minutes. The time flies when it's

995
01:19:05.720 --> 01:19:10.920
fun to step to talk about.
But thank you guys so much for coming

996
01:19:11.000 --> 01:19:15.239
on the show. I know you
guys are really busy traveling the world and

997
01:19:15.279 --> 01:19:18.039
whatnot, and apparently working on your
third film, which I didn't even know

998
01:19:18.159 --> 01:19:23.600
about, but thanks for coming on. I'm so excited for people to see

999
01:19:23.600 --> 01:19:29.359
the film. Congratulations on such a
wonderful reception that you've received at all of

1000
01:19:29.399 --> 01:19:32.239
these film festivals. And then maybe
you know, I guess who are some

1001
01:19:32.279 --> 01:19:35.760
of the other names that produced it, because I know you've got some help

1002
01:19:35.840 --> 01:19:42.880
from some of our other friends.
Sure we had. Chase Klotsky was an

1003
01:19:42.920 --> 01:19:49.880
associate producer former field director for Moufan. Lori Wagner is also producer Jamie Sernoff.

1004
01:19:50.079 --> 01:19:56.119
So those are the principal people who
helped kind of formulate, you know,

1005
01:19:56.199 --> 01:20:00.520
everything that happens behind the scenes.
So we're super appreciative of everybody who

1006
01:20:00.560 --> 01:20:03.000
was involved, both in front of
him behind the camera. I'd like to

1007
01:20:03.000 --> 01:20:06.680
give a special shout out to to
Patrick Lemantine, who was the editor on

1008
01:20:06.760 --> 01:20:13.920
this. He created a very engaging
visual story based on the interviews that we

1009
01:20:14.039 --> 01:20:17.600
got, so a big shout out
to him. Anton Patner Patsner for the

1010
01:20:18.119 --> 01:20:21.640
soundtrack. He scored the entire film. It's walled, the walls down.

1011
01:20:23.000 --> 01:20:26.199
There might be thirty seconds where there
is no music, and he scored the

1012
01:20:26.199 --> 01:20:30.319
whole thing and it's phenomenal. Wow. Cool, Well, good job guys,

1013
01:20:30.319 --> 01:20:33.439
Thanks so much for being on.
Thanks, thank you very much.

1014
01:20:35.000 --> 01:20:39.119
All right, well thanks, I'll
just edit it there. But yeah,

1015
01:20:39.159 --> 01:20:41.680
thanks so much for making the time. That was a lot of fun.

1016
01:20:42.960 --> 01:20:46.319
Yeah, it was great. Yeah, we really do. Yeah, I

1017
01:20:46.319 --> 01:20:51.520
appreciate you giving us a platform,
you being a friend, you being someone

1018
01:20:51.520 --> 01:20:58.600
who allows us to, you know, tell these type of stories and pull

1019
01:20:58.640 --> 01:21:02.159
you into them to an extent.
You know. It's and we really appreciate

1020
01:21:02.199 --> 01:21:05.399
your approach to this too, is
that you're not all in. You know

1021
01:21:05.479 --> 01:21:10.199
that you're coming at it from a
very healthy perspective, and we think that

1022
01:21:10.239 --> 01:21:14.199
adds credibility to what we're doing.
Well, you know, I really feel

1023
01:21:14.479 --> 01:21:18.039
like because I'm pretty close with Lou, like the guy who runs a project

1024
01:21:18.600 --> 01:21:23.720
used to run that Pentagon project.
I speak to him almost every other day

1025
01:21:23.880 --> 01:21:27.880
in fact, and you know,
it's like they were just they're kind of

1026
01:21:27.920 --> 01:21:30.520
some guys exploring what the heck is
going on. They're kind of like us,

1027
01:21:31.079 --> 01:21:35.399
but you know, works for the
government and we're able to get Harry

1028
01:21:35.439 --> 01:21:41.039
Reid to get them some money and
coalesce this kind of investigation. But they

1029
01:21:41.079 --> 01:21:44.880
know other stuff is going on,
and some of them have had their own

1030
01:21:44.960 --> 01:21:49.720
experiences. So it's kind of an
exciting time because I think films like yours

1031
01:21:49.760 --> 01:21:55.000
will show people that there's other stuff
going on that we have to look into.

1032
01:21:55.479 --> 01:21:57.560
And like I said in the film, I mean, I think it's

1033
01:21:57.760 --> 01:22:00.880
vital that people take more serious to
look at all of this stuff. I

1034
01:22:00.920 --> 01:22:04.760
mean, yeah, when you have
these huge amounts of people, you know,

1035
01:22:05.359 --> 01:22:09.720
feeling like they have this, we
owe it to them to at least

1036
01:22:09.720 --> 01:22:15.000
try to understand what they're going through. Yeah, the emotions that came out

1037
01:22:15.039 --> 01:22:18.840
in this film, the kick in
the gut, the fact that these people

1038
01:22:18.880 --> 01:22:24.000
were that vulnerable on Camra, even
Melinda Leslie, who she even said she

1039
01:22:24.039 --> 01:22:28.199
broke down twice during the interview in
Tears, and she goes, I never

1040
01:22:28.479 --> 01:22:31.600
let my emotions go. I never
allow this to happen, and you know,

1041
01:22:32.600 --> 01:22:36.479
what we show in there really is
that she's angry and frustrated, and

1042
01:22:36.520 --> 01:22:42.079
she really is that kind of the
emotional center of this film and wants to

1043
01:22:42.159 --> 01:22:46.159
kick And we were shocked, and
everybody that has seen it was shocked by

1044
01:22:46.199 --> 01:22:50.479
how amazing she was. Like Richard
Dolan's like, I've known Melinda for a

1045
01:22:50.479 --> 01:22:56.920
long time. She's she has a
very difficult time keeping focused when you're talking

1046
01:22:56.920 --> 01:23:00.359
to her sometimes, he said,
But I was My jaw was on the

1047
01:23:00.399 --> 01:23:04.720
floor every time she spoke. He
goes, I could not believe how compelling

1048
01:23:04.800 --> 01:23:09.680
she was. He goes, she
really hit a grand slam. She was

1049
01:23:09.720 --> 01:23:13.239
phenomenal. So yeah, yeah,
that was a big part of it for

1050
01:23:13.399 --> 01:23:16.239
us, is the emotional side of
it. And you know, to sit

1051
01:23:16.319 --> 01:23:20.960
there and here's some of the stuff
that happened to these people's just to them,

1052
01:23:21.000 --> 01:23:24.600
it's real. We don't, you
know, we get we're giving them

1053
01:23:24.600 --> 01:23:29.119
the benefit of the doubt because when
they're telling these stories and the emotional response

1054
01:23:29.159 --> 01:23:32.640
that we got from them, it's
just really hard to discredit them. And

1055
01:23:32.680 --> 01:23:34.880
the people that we have are credible. We don't have a bunch of stan

1056
01:23:35.000 --> 01:23:40.000
romanex in this film. Yeah,
we were careful. It could only be

1057
01:23:40.079 --> 01:23:43.520
so careful, but al handro So
you know, the third one we just

1058
01:23:43.960 --> 01:23:46.439
we just finished shooting real quick,
is we just take it. We go

1059
01:23:46.560 --> 01:23:51.079
deeper. We take a deeper dive
into the whole idea of Okay, if

1060
01:23:51.119 --> 01:23:57.359
there are these hybridization programs we talked
to We talked to Clifford Stone, we

1061
01:23:57.439 --> 01:24:01.159
talked to lindbu Kad, and we
talked to Dan Sherman, and then we

1062
01:24:01.319 --> 01:24:04.239
take we took a look at the
three kind of paradigms out there, the

1063
01:24:04.279 --> 01:24:11.359
whole religious uh you know, paradigm
of well, it all has to do

1064
01:24:11.399 --> 01:24:16.039
with the Bible. We did an
ascension paradigm, which is all kind of

1065
01:24:16.079 --> 01:24:21.239
love and light, and then we
did a colonization paradigm, which was basically

1066
01:24:21.279 --> 01:24:29.239
doctor David Jacobs saying we're all fucked
right. So so just so you know,

1067
01:24:29.319 --> 01:24:31.079
we just finished filming it, but
you know that we have a long

1068
01:24:31.199 --> 01:24:34.399
way to go with the editing,
so we'll keep you updated on that too.

1069
01:24:35.079 --> 01:24:39.119
Yeah. The good news too is
that we're expecting to have this release

1070
01:24:39.520 --> 01:24:43.920
in September of next year. So
if if Congress is around the same time,

1071
01:24:44.039 --> 01:24:46.079
well we'll see what we can do. So maybe if we pushed it

1072
01:24:46.079 --> 01:24:51.199
out a week, maybe we can
have the premiere kind of coincide with you.

1073
01:24:51.640 --> 01:24:55.439
Oh that'd be awesome. Yeah.
Well, we'll keep in touch.

1074
01:24:55.600 --> 01:24:58.560
But great to talk to you guys. I got to read. In fact,

1075
01:24:58.640 --> 01:25:02.119
we're going to be leaving here hopefully
pretty soon to go to Alien Con.

1076
01:25:03.079 --> 01:25:09.720
Oh yeah, in La. So
if you're not doing anything on Saturday

1077
01:25:09.800 --> 01:25:13.680
night at Alien Con, hop over
to Disclosure Fest because our film's screening at

1078
01:25:13.720 --> 01:25:18.359
eight o'clock. Is that like near
there or something. Yeah, it's in

1079
01:25:18.520 --> 01:25:25.479
La Okay. Disclosure Fest is more
of a I don't want to say a

1080
01:25:25.560 --> 01:25:30.600
hippie thing, but it's much more
of a spiritual ascension driven. You know,

1081
01:25:30.800 --> 01:25:34.520
there's a mass meditation at three in
the afternoon I think, but they

1082
01:25:34.560 --> 01:25:39.000
also have uthology stuff and our film
is going to be screening there. So

1083
01:25:39.800 --> 01:25:43.399
yeah, that's another big plus for
us to have that type of exposure at

1084
01:25:43.600 --> 01:25:46.640
you know, over thirty thousand people
at the event, so oh really wow.

1085
01:25:48.079 --> 01:25:51.319
Yeah, it's a big you know, we're in one corner of the

1086
01:25:51.359 --> 01:25:57.239
world there, but hopefully we'll get
some good exposure that we can use for

1087
01:25:57.319 --> 01:26:00.560
social media. Yeah. Well great, eight Well, Thank you guys so

1088
01:26:00.720 --> 01:26:04.960
much. Always a pleasure talking to
you guys. Yeah, Hanja, and

1089
01:26:05.039 --> 01:26:10.079
I look forward to seeing you at
the at congress. Yeah, that'll be

1090
01:26:10.399 --> 01:26:13.319
It's too bad you won't be able
to make it, John, but at

1091
01:26:13.399 --> 01:26:18.720
least we'll have Jack with us,
and you'll probably get another J there too

1092
01:26:18.800 --> 01:26:23.119
for sure. Oh good. Two
of the three, two out of three.

1093
01:26:23.239 --> 01:26:26.640
That's pretty good, all right,
all right, Ano, thanks again,

1094
01:26:26.800 --> 01:26:30.520
thank you so much to Jack Roth
and John Simple for being on the

1095
01:26:30.560 --> 01:26:35.119
show. Two of the three JS
and J three. And you'll be able

1096
01:26:35.159 --> 01:26:39.359
to see Jack, like you said, at the UFO Congress, and he'll

1097
01:26:39.359 --> 01:26:42.640
be there to present the film.
And you're gonna get a sneak peak of

1098
01:26:42.720 --> 01:26:45.920
this film too, out of others
that are are part of the film festival.

1099
01:26:46.399 --> 01:26:50.640
So you're really lucky. And I
know you know that this topic is

1100
01:26:50.720 --> 01:26:55.960
pretty weird, no doubt, but
I do know some of the people that

1101
01:26:56.000 --> 01:26:59.920
are in the film, and they're
very nice people, very good people.

1102
01:27:00.680 --> 01:27:03.359
And you know, it's well,
it says a lot that this film has

1103
01:27:03.399 --> 01:27:09.239
won so many awards, and these
are awards of regular film festivals, festivals

1104
01:27:09.279 --> 01:27:14.239
you know that are watching documentaries on
a lot of different topics, but the

1105
01:27:14.279 --> 01:27:19.399
audience seemed to take this topic very
seriously, even though it's so odd and

1106
01:27:19.600 --> 01:27:26.319
different. So congratulations to Jack and
John for putting together what may must be

1107
01:27:26.560 --> 01:27:29.920
a brilliant documentary and something that I
think, you know, we ought to

1108
01:27:29.960 --> 01:27:32.520
take a look at. And like
I said before, you know, there

1109
01:27:32.560 --> 01:27:38.239
are thousands and thousands, I mean
a lot of people who believe that they're

1110
01:27:38.239 --> 01:27:42.279
having these sort of experiences, and
so for that reason alone, it should

1111
01:27:42.319 --> 01:27:45.039
be taken seriously to kind of figure
out, you know, what's going on

1112
01:27:45.119 --> 01:27:50.039
here. Is this some kind of
psychological manifestation of some other kind of emotional

1113
01:27:50.159 --> 01:27:57.439
issues or is this something else?
And because of you know, even all

1114
01:27:57.479 --> 01:28:00.560
of the credible people I think that
you'll see in this film that are claiming

1115
01:28:00.720 --> 01:28:02.439
to have these experiences, you know, we need to take a look and

1116
01:28:02.439 --> 01:28:05.840
see what the heck's going on here. So it's great that Jack and John

1117
01:28:05.840 --> 01:28:11.800
have been brave enough to kind of
take a look at this topic and to

1118
01:28:11.840 --> 01:28:15.199
put this out there. And of
course it seems like they've done such a

1119
01:28:15.239 --> 01:28:18.680
great job because of all these awards
that they've won. So plus, these

1120
01:28:18.680 --> 01:28:20.880
guys are great. I've known for
a long time. I've known a lot

1121
01:28:20.920 --> 01:28:25.239
of the people that they listed off
that put together this film, and there's

1122
01:28:25.279 --> 01:28:29.560
some great people and great researchers.
So I wish them all the luck in

1123
01:28:29.600 --> 01:28:32.199
the world. And I'm happy to
be here, you know, promoting the

1124
01:28:32.239 --> 01:28:36.760
film and helping them get the word
out there about the film. And I'm

1125
01:28:36.800 --> 01:28:40.800
very grateful that they included me and
my thoughts, even though of course I'm

1126
01:28:40.800 --> 01:28:44.640
more skeptical about this topic. But
I'm happy that they they kind of let

1127
01:28:44.680 --> 01:28:47.560
me speak my mind. And you
know, if you've seen some of the

1128
01:28:47.640 --> 01:28:53.479
clips and stuff, they didn't cut
me out, you know, so that

1129
01:28:53.600 --> 01:28:57.560
was nice that they were, you
know, put that perspective in there as

1130
01:28:57.640 --> 01:29:01.279
well. So I also want to
thank Martin Willis for helping us with the

1131
01:29:01.319 --> 01:29:04.640
news. Let's see other news out
there. I want to thank all my

1132
01:29:04.720 --> 01:29:10.199
Patreon patrons, thank you so much
for helping out. It really does help,

1133
01:29:10.279 --> 01:29:13.720
you know. I of course spend
a lot of time keeping up on

1134
01:29:13.840 --> 01:29:18.039
UFO news and information to share with
you all, and it ain't easy and

1135
01:29:18.079 --> 01:29:21.039
it takes a lot of time,
and I'm afraid, you know, I

1136
01:29:23.439 --> 01:29:26.479
would like to keep doing it if
possible, So if you could, you

1137
01:29:26.520 --> 01:29:29.479
know, there's a lot of people. Most people are going to patroon and

1138
01:29:29.560 --> 01:29:30.920
just kind of putting it in a
buck a month, and that is fine,

1139
01:29:30.960 --> 01:29:33.880
That is perfectly fine. Thank you
so much for that. It also

1140
01:29:33.920 --> 01:29:36.920
helps if you, you know,
purchase any products like the T shirts,

1141
01:29:38.119 --> 01:29:41.600
the Open Mind's T shirts that you'll
find at the t spring at openminds dot

1142
01:29:41.640 --> 01:29:45.079
tv, or if you go to
the UFO Congress store and purchase any of

1143
01:29:45.079 --> 01:29:48.920
the super cool stuff that you see
there. The UFO Congress is ran my

1144
01:29:48.960 --> 01:29:54.239
girlfriend, but it does help me
when she does well and she is hitting

1145
01:29:54.239 --> 01:29:59.279
the happy mood as well. But
speaking of the UFO Congress, we have

1146
01:29:59.479 --> 01:30:03.279
almost a complete list now. Some
of the exciting people that'll be there that

1147
01:30:03.279 --> 01:30:09.800
we've added more recently are like James
Fox, so he creates documentaries. You're

1148
01:30:09.840 --> 01:30:15.359
gonna get a sneak peek on his
much awaited, super exciting documentary and there

1149
01:30:15.479 --> 01:30:18.640
is so much in there that's exciting, so you'll be able to see more

1150
01:30:18.640 --> 01:30:21.560
about that. Of course, we're
gonna have Kevin Day, and there's always

1151
01:30:21.680 --> 01:30:27.520
late breaking news about a tip and
who has that news. George Knapp and

1152
01:30:27.720 --> 01:30:30.600
Jeremy Corbel. But I'll also feature
some of the other cool speakers that we're

1153
01:30:30.600 --> 01:30:33.279
going to have. You know,
one that I'm really excited about I haven't

1154
01:30:33.279 --> 01:30:38.880
heard speak before is Tooy Snyder and
she's doing a talk on the airships.

1155
01:30:39.000 --> 01:30:43.119
So in the eighteen nineties there was
a UFO flap and they called them airships,

1156
01:30:43.159 --> 01:30:45.479
and she's going to be talking about
that, so that's really exciting historical

1157
01:30:45.520 --> 01:30:50.039
stuff. I've heard great things about
her talk, so I'm very excited for

1158
01:30:50.159 --> 01:30:55.000
that. And also for the first
time at the UFO Congress, we're gonna

1159
01:30:55.000 --> 01:31:00.279
have Richard Dolan's wife, Tracy.
So I saw Richard and Tracy at Alien

1160
01:31:00.279 --> 01:31:03.319
Con. It was great to see
them again. Had a great conversation with

1161
01:31:03.479 --> 01:31:09.039
Richard and Tracy. I'm so excited
to hear her talk. Of course,

1162
01:31:09.039 --> 01:31:12.640
she's going to be talking about remote
viewing, which she's done for quite some

1163
01:31:12.880 --> 01:31:17.600
time. And some people may not
realize that this Pentagon project really there.

1164
01:31:17.640 --> 01:31:21.840
They're head scientists helped put off.
That's what he started in government programs.

1165
01:31:21.920 --> 01:31:29.520
Remote viewing, which is kind of
a psychic ability to see information that apparently,

1166
01:31:29.640 --> 01:31:33.039
you know, they've proved was something
real back in the seventies, and

1167
01:31:33.119 --> 01:31:38.960
the government had for decades these programs
for law enforcement officials were coming to these

1168
01:31:39.039 --> 01:31:43.720
groups that Hell had and others with
Russell Targan others had put together where they

1169
01:31:43.760 --> 01:31:47.640
were remote viewing information extremely interesting.
So that's going to be a great talk

1170
01:31:47.680 --> 01:31:53.039
too. So go to ufocongress dot
com. You'll be able to see all

1171
01:31:53.039 --> 01:31:57.960
the information there that's going on and
get tickets and right now you can get

1172
01:31:58.039 --> 01:32:00.439
distounded prices. So it's going to
be a lot of fun. It's gonna

1173
01:32:00.479 --> 01:32:04.159
be downtown Phoenix, and it's going
to be an incredible event. So I

1174
01:32:04.279 --> 01:32:09.199
really really hope to see you there. Otherwise, there's also Roswell coming up

1175
01:32:09.239 --> 01:32:11.560
in a couple of weeks. I'll
be speaking there. I'll be doing a

1176
01:32:11.600 --> 01:32:15.680
couple talks, and we'll have a
booth there. Roswell is always fun.

1177
01:32:15.760 --> 01:32:18.199
It starts on July fourth and runs
for the rest of that week, and

1178
01:32:18.279 --> 01:32:23.359
I believe July fourth is a Thursday
this week, so that'll be a lot

1179
01:32:23.399 --> 01:32:29.079
of fun too. Otherwise, I
hope you guys are having a great time.

1180
01:32:29.279 --> 01:32:31.119
You know. Sorry for the audio
being a little shaky. At the

1181
01:32:31.119 --> 01:32:33.840
beginning of the show, I was
actually, you know, on the road

1182
01:32:33.880 --> 01:32:36.840
for Alien Con, but I wanted
to get this show together anyway, and

1183
01:32:36.840 --> 01:32:41.920
that's why it's a day late.
But hey, better late than never,

1184
01:32:42.239 --> 01:32:45.640
is what they say. Next week, we have a really cool show with

1185
01:32:45.880 --> 01:32:51.800
Chuck Sukowski and Heather Taddy of Alien
Highway. So Chuck, of course is

1186
01:32:51.800 --> 01:32:58.239
a good friend. We've got multiple
video or interviews with him on the podcast

1187
01:32:58.279 --> 01:33:01.399
here, but now he's got this
TV show on the Travels Channel that's really

1188
01:33:01.439 --> 01:33:04.560
cool. It's great. You guys
should check it out Alien Highway. And

1189
01:33:04.680 --> 01:33:10.439
we're gonna be talking to Chuck and
Heather about that next week, so I

1190
01:33:10.560 --> 01:33:14.079
guess. Until then, I want
to thank Caleb Hanks for the opening and

1191
01:33:14.239 --> 01:33:17.319
close music. I want to thank
Systematics for the bumper music, and of

1192
01:33:17.399 --> 01:33:21.000
course I want to thank you for
joining us this week and we will talk

1193
01:33:21.039 --> 01:33:27.600
to you again next week with our
exciting Alien Highway show. Until then,

1194
01:33:28.159 --> 01:34:17.000
audio smooth, chuchos you mus