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Well, whiskey, come and take
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From power Line blog dot com and
produced by Ricochet dot Com. This is

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the three Whiskey Happy Hour with your
bartenders, Steve Hayward, John You,

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and power Lines International Woman of Mystery
Lucretia. I've gotta giving let that whiskey

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fla where you're being in love down
in lod Well. I don't know about

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you, guys, but I think
even Lucretia ought to be in a good

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mood this weekend because of all the
great news we got this week. First

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of all, John, ten thousand
new McDonald's restaurants planned to be open in

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the next two or three years,
and the stock has been rallying ever since

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you got back from Latin America,
which is why I think we should confiscate

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your passport and start stopping. Let
me just stop there for a second.

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I went to because of a whole
series of disasters. Went to McDonald's for

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dinner the other night. Two hamburgers, one without buns or anything, No

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French fries, no drinks, just
two quarter pounders, double quarter pounders with

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cheese, twenty eight dollars, yeah, eight, and nobody waited on us.

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We had to do it all ourselves, and I said, no mayonnaise,

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and they slathered it with mayonnaise.
Okay, first thing. Second thing.

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The next day, I took one
of my colleagues to lunch. We

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went to a Mexican restaurant. We
had drinks and she had an inch a

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chicken enchilada platter. I had a
taco enchilada platter. You know what the

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price was twenty eight dollars. It
was crap. McDonald's is crap, John.

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I don't know how you eat that
stuff. It was four Well,

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okay, McDonald's. You gotta have
McDonald's and use the app. Usually get

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two sandwiches for the price of one, and two crappy sandwiches for the price

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of one. Last week, you
were waiting a minute, Lucretia was like

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three, four or five years ago
that that happened when I went to got

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a quarter pounder and it probably hadn't
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why no, wait a minute,
You know, John, so much for

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my attempt to try and infuse a
sunny, optimistic, cheerful mood in Lucretia

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before a cage match. Last week, Lucretia you were saying how you'd had

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a double quarter pounder the best once, just once in twenty years. All

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right, let's move on to other
cheery news and see us it's a great

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week when IVY League presidents have a
run circles around by backbenchers in the House

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of Representatives. I mean, that
was a fun shot and freud inducing spectacle

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which we can come back to and
due course. Is that's your truth,

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Steve, it's my context, you
know, I've been I've been searching around

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for my context all week. I
can't find it anywhere. It's somewhere buried

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in your truth. I'm telling you
right, talk about what's the old first

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law of holes when you're in one
stop digging. Claude Gay and the other

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IVY presidents clearly don't know the first
lave holes, Hunter Biden. I think

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she thought she was doing the right
thing by saying that. I you know,

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that may be what other people think, but you know what's not my

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truth? Of course, of course, Christion moron, how did you I

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mean, other than the fact that
she's black and ugly? Is there any

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other reason why he should be she
is, she's ugly, and she's black.

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That's the only reason she's the president
of Harvard because she's obviously dumb as

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a board. Well, we know
that, okay, hunter Biden wasn't dieted

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that I'll at least cheer you up, did you app that's a scam to

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make sure he doesn't have to he
can actually get out of the subpoena next

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week? And well, I you
know, I thought that. I also

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thought the you know, my as
I put it yesterday on the Ricochet podcast,

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my tinfoil half the size of a
Hershey's kiss wrapper, is that this

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was delayed until after all the deadlines
passed for any substantial Democrat to run against

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Biden. I don't know. I
mean I wonder I was actually going the

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other direction with it, seriously,
which was that Biden's really suffering. Maybe

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David Wise doesn't give a damn anymore
and figured maybe he could possibly salvage his

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reputation a little bit by digging this
up, you know, their possibilities.

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Well, finally we can come back
to that too, and due course,

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because that's not going away anytime soon. But finally, not finally, you

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should be at least happy that Kevin
McCarthy is leaving the House of representatives,

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doesn't he guys, saw what I
said about that? What a piece of

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you know what he is? Oh
my god. So he's gonna be leaving

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the Republicans in the House with a
majority of one. He cares nothing about

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anybody but himself and his million dollar
donors to line his pockets. All right,

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Maybe that that troll that does the
that he lives with. Again,

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Ron, I'm gonna keep trying here, John, Well, we did learn

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two in interesting things this week.
One is Trump. We realized that he

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still got it because he won the
Tom Friedman vote this week. I don't

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know if you caught this. It
was a little throwaway line, but it

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shows Trump's genius. Some questioners said, hey, everyone's out there saying you're

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going to be a dictator if you're
elected. And Trump said, no,

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no, no, I'll just be
a dictator on the first day and close

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the border and start up energy production
again, and then I'll just be a

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regular president. Well never, Tom
Friedman always used to say, gosh,

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it would be great if we could
be China for a day. Well,

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Trump has just embraced the Tom Friedman
proposition. And I think this is hysterically

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funny. Uh And you know,
and of course the left is going to

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freak out about that. See anyway, and then one of the things we

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learned this week, we learned that
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is Peggy Noonan. And why do
I say that because two weeks ago she

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said Time Magazine should make Taylor Swift
the person of the year, and I

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thought, oh, come on,
this is preposterous. And Time Magazine this

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week made Taylor Swift their person of
the Year. So there we go.

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I suppose it's maybe a step up
from Greta Thunderberg from two three years ago,

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but not really. I love that
meme that says, how'd you fix

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my my stereo? It was making
that horrible noise. We replaced your Taylor

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Smith CD with ah, I forget
what it was, probably Eagles or something

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like that. Oh yeah, Genesis
maybe. Oh no, that's sighting the

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words. No, the idea is
Taylor Smith's fingernails on the blackboard. And

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it just shows how many millions of
people across the world have really lousy taste.

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I've got whatever, I've got my
Genesis trick of the tail T shirt.

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They pay you to wear the T
shirt. Steve well, all right,

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I will. Would you ever wear
a T shirt advertising somebody unless they

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paid you, right, John Well, because you know brand loyalty. I

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don't know, uh I did.
I'll try and find a link to it.

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I did an hour long podcast with
a guy I actually you know him

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too, Lucret Steve Gosney. You
did one of his illegal clinic things online,

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right, he he he and I
had an hour ranking the Peter Gabriel

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era Genesis albums and talking about why
and we totally geeked out on prop rock.

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You would have hated it every minute
of it. It was fun,

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all right. It does sound terrible. It sounds horrible, sounds well threatens,

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you know. By the way,
I told these guys to have the

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podcast without me, just so everybody
knows. I'm still a little bit to

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what should we say, Jet lagged
from anesthesia yesterday, so I'm feeling especially

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mean, and I said, you
guys need to do this without me,

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but they wouldn't do it, so
they deserve everything they get. I haven't

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noticed any difference yet. I love
you, John Well. All right,

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one last thing, one last thing
before we get to the promised cage match

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from two weeks ago. Listeners.
If you didn't catch John on c Spans

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in Depth last week at the he
was great, You were great, John,

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But at the end a caller,
actually it was not a ringer.

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It may have sounded like it because
I've never met Dave Begley, but he

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called in and prompted John to say
the following about the podcast, and in

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particular Lucretia. I like to say, Steve Hayward I and then the one

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our third host, is a woman
who uses a pseudonym of Lucretia, who

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is an important figure actually in the
founding of the Roman Republic. We have

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a podcast we do every week on
politics. And actually when you had Steve

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on a year ago, I hadn't
joined it, and then afterwards they joined

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it because they the liberal. So
in the podcast, I am the liberal.

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I am the liberal. Steve is
the moderate, and Lucretia comes from

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I don't know where she comes from, but she's really conservative. I'm scared

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of her. Well, John,
you should be. And here's why.

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I don't know what you're going to
do now that you can't get any news

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for the next few days. I
mean, the Washington Post went on strike,

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all those those incredible writers for the
Washington Post. You give you all

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of your fake news. I don't
why don't just go to the Babylon Bee

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for your fake news. But since
you go to the Washington Post, what

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are you doing now? You just
sticking with the New York Times. Oh

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boy, that's okay, it's altuy
true. I confess she's nailed me again.

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All right, we promised a cage
match, but before we do,

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we're going to take one very quick
break for a very short spot from a

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sponsor, lu Kresha, wrong on
a whiskey, wrong on stemware, wrong

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for America, paid for by the
ELAPD mult Supremacy Independent Expenditure Committee. All

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right, as promised, we are
going to take up and I'm going to

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try and make some serious arguments on
both sides of the subject, first about

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Ukraine and then about January sixth.
It's not quite true that I am exactly

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in the middle or a moderate on
the subject, as is alleged by John.

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It's that I think there are points
to be made on both sides and

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important questions that are being unasked.
So let's start with Ukraine. The news

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this week is that the Senate Republicans, all of them, most of whom

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support a Ukraine. Nonetheless blocked a
standalone aid bill Ukraine this week because Biden

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won't compromise on security the southern border
an easy compromise for him to make,

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but he wouldn't do it anyway for
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the main question is, and I'll
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start with you, John, and
then Lucretia you can Rebut is what exactly

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is the US national interest here?
I mean, if it is degrading Russia's

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military, which you have mentioned a
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by now? Or by the way, can we actually degrade a military since

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they do seem to have substantial production
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first, I think it's a false
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the border or Ukraine. I think
we could easily do both, and the

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cost of either pale in comparison to
the enormous amounts being added to the deficit

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by inflationary spending or the runaway entitlement
program. So you hear these debates in

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Washington where I am right now,
about how you can have to do one

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or the other. I think that
really is a false choice. But I

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would say this, here's how I
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has strategic goals, they have a
priority, first priority protection of the homeland,

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territorial defense. So I would say, of course, protecting the border

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is part of that. I would
be the first say protection of the border

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is a higher priority than Ukraine,
Taiwan, the Middle East or anything.

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That's the first priority, second priority. We're not allowed to call it this

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anymore, but it's the Monroe doctrine. We control the western hemisphere and we

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keep all the other European and Asian
powers out. That's also maybe partially involved

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with protection of the border. The
third priority, and I think this has

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been a priority of American foreign policy
since World War One, is to prevent

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any single power from controlling Europe or
Asia. And the reason for that is

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because, unlike the nineteenth century,
unlike the eighteenth century, in the twentieth

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century, with the technology and resources
available, if a single power controls that

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much population and resources, they could
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I wish we could hide a behind
the two oceans, but we can't

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anymore. I think that's the lesson
of World War two in particular, and

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so and then I think there's a
fourth goal, which is lesson priority,

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which is to maintain this international system
we've had since nineteen forty five, which

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has a large perimeter to it,
but within it are a lot of market

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based economies and democratic nations and allies
of ours. Leus Ukraine sits squarely in

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number three. I think one of
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is we've made and democracy and market
economies in Western Europe. And what we've

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got now is a Russia on the
rise that is hostile to the United States,

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hostile to Western Europe, that is
trying to restore the empire there through

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the use of force. And this
is why I was actually teasing Lucretia two

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weeks ago. I don't particularly care
about the regime in Ukraine, whether aritarian

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or a democratic. I hope it
transitions to a full fledged democracy. I

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think is kind of a quasi democracy. What's most important is that are on

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the perimeter with Russia, and Russia
wants to use force to redraw the borders

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in Europe, which has led to
two world wars in the past that have

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been a great harm to us.
What happened to really Russia wanting to redraw

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the borders has led to two world
wars in Europe or Aralia and Germany and

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Germany, Oh, when did Russia? So we never had a world war

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after the Soviet Union tried to redraw
borders. Okay, we just sort of

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accepted that and we had peace because
of it. All right, let's just

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leave that aside for a moment.
Let's take your affinity with the super moron

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idiot. We have excuse for a
Secretary of Defense who says, if we

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don't fight in Ukraine, your sons
and daughters and uncles and cousins will be

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fighting in Russia. That guy should
be shot for treason, along with Milly.

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By the way, if we're really
worried about Russia, all we've done

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in Russia, I'm not quite sure
I agree with Steve that we've totally degraded

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with Russia. I think we've done
the opposite. I don't think we have

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had either. I think we've done
that. I think we've empowered Russia to

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understand a lot more about modern warfare. There are ahead of us, for

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instance, in sophisticated AI drone warfare
by a long shot, we're barely barely

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catching up with him. How does
that work? Number two, we are

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at one of the lowest points we've
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should something happen, because we've sent
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Ukraine to fighter Russia that is posing
right now no threat to us what's so

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ever, and it's not posing a
threat to Western Europe. They're not looking

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to take over Western Europe. They're
looking to take back what they consider their

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own territory. That territory that you
say has been caused two World wars,

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you know, to be decided,
means it's very very new. They want

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back Russian speaking Ukrainians. They're not
going after all of Russia. And because

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Ukraine decided to bring the United States
in and make it a big fight,

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maybe it's gone further than it should
have. We have no national interest there.

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If Europe has a national interest there
or European interests, they should fight,

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we should stop. I hope they
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way, because Rampaul said that Ukraine
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of the border. God, I
hope he's right. Well, let me

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pose a couple of challenges to John
and then Lucretia. I'm going to pose

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a couple of challenges to you.
First of all, John Boy, I

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don't know if you say Russia's on
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the rhetoric is, but you know, a demographic disaster. Aside from their

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energy sector, I think they're pretty
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Second thing, I'll just give three
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so because of the war though,
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thing is you know I had Colonel
Austin Bay from Strategy Page on a you

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know, interview conversation podcast what a
month ago now and asking him all about

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this, and he said, in
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clear that Russia is not going to
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settled into a gruesome stalemate. You
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Vic summit with Reagan and Gorbachev in
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overlooked by all the nuclear weapons drama
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were talking with the Soviet negotiators and
making more progress than ever made in thirty

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years of arm control talks. But
one of the generals there, interesting guy,

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I've learned a lot about him from
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was General at Cromiev, who was
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still in the Soviet military hierarchy.
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you Americans don't understand about the Soviet
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don't you're against appeasement, You're against
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by the way I mean, i'd
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sound like they include the balt and
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Stony, et cetera. He said, But you Americans don't understand is

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that you're worried about about appeasement in
Munich nineteen thirty eight. What we're worried

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about in Russia is always June nineteen
forty one, or to put it in

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terms you'd understand Pearl Harbor. They
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why, by the way, Henry
Kissinger, of all people, was opposed

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to expanding NATO eastward. He says, Look, the Russians may be nuts,

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but there's a reason for their paranoia
that's rational. And so we're doing

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all this talk now of including Ukraine
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perhaps in NATO. Look, I
don't want to make a brief for putin

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all but on the other hand,
you can see it from their point of

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view that we're being encircled by the
West. We hate them, they hate

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us. And sorry, I'll stop
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and then I've got a couple of
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the American perspective, you're right,
it is a gruesome now grueling World War

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One style trench warfare. I hate
to say it, but this is in

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the national interest in the United States. For the loss of no American lives

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and something around fifty billion dollars,
maybe running up to one hundred billion dollars,

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we have I think probably destroyed about
one third of the combat power of

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the Russian land Army, which is
an incredible bargain for the United States and

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our station. Do we need to
keep going with that. Sorry, I

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think our strategy has succeeded in the
sense the rights. I don't think I

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disagree with Lucretia in the sense that
this is just Russia trying to take back

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Russian speaking lands in Ukraine based on
they already they already had, They already

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had some before the invasion, right, they already took these Luhanskin donations the

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farthest eastern areas of Ukraine. But
then why launch a lightning strike on the

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capital of Ukraine, Kiev, Why
annex not just Crimea, but push up

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into the south. They truly their
objective clearly was to conquer the political capital

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and the economic centers of Ukraine and
change its government and then I think dismember

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the country. But regardless of what
their aim was, we have succeeded and

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stopped being putin from taking over the
country. And to the extent, who's

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going to keep fighting? He is
just going to burn through more people than

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material. And so I think that
actually it's been a successful strategy. If

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the strategy is as I think it
is, is to preserve our influence in

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Western Europe, maintain a balance of
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farther west to overturn NATO. Whatever, even if we did make a mistake

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in going too far, and this
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look, we shouldn't have gone all
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the UEU that far into the former
warsap Pac countries. But he also did

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say, once Russia invaded Ukraine,
we've got to win, right, we

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have to stop putting. And this
is what's in common I think with what's

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going on in the Middle East and
what may happen in Taiwan. Is Yes,

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you could have territorial disputes, so
you could have disputes about what population

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should be under what governments. But
these are three countries around Russia and China

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that are using military force to try
to achieve their ends. They're not trying

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to negotiate. They're not trying to
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They're trying to overturn the system.
Why should they have to work in

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the Western system we created? Can
you explain that one to me? Because

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it is this is the longest period
of peace we've had in six seven hundred

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years, without any power wars between
the great powers, without all the terrible

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losses of life that occur since nineteen
o came. So I won't tell all

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my friends why in the Iraq war. I don't know why you're laughing.

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This is not like controversial. We
have not had a great power war since

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nineteen forty five. Oh but so
what if it's not a great largest I'm

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not finished. That's what produces the
largest mouth of death and destruct But instead

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we can we can just get a
lure of attrition for forever. Can I

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just follow up on Actually I had
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I'll rephrase it this way. Deterring
China were said, we need to see

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this through to deter China from invading
Taiwan. I wonder if that's really true.

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this rationality, then why isn't the
answer then to equip Ukraine sufficiently so they

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don't just not lose, but defeat
Russia decisively? Wouldn't And I know why

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we're afraid to do that and won't
do that. And this is one of

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my criticists, Biden. Is they
so half hearted about this? Never mind

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the amount of money. So the
point is is that if you really wanted

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to turch China, should we want
Ukraine to win really fast. I think

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that Biden administration has made a mistake
and that they have been pushing Ukraine to

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retake all those lands in the East, but then not equip them. I'm

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not really with a lot of the
people I think who are supporting this offensive

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if we're not going to equip them
for that. So I totally agree with

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you, Steve. I'm not so
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doing now isn't still a good signal
to send to President Ji and China with

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regard to it's not just Taiwan,
it's also the South China Sea and that

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part of Asia. So I'm here
Washington, Dahosta conference at AEI Lucretia favorite

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for Larry Silverman, the judge I
clicked for who passed away last year,

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and we did a panel on foreign
policy because Judge Silverman was very much a

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part of the establishment foreign policy establage
where I think Lucretia doesn't like. And

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we had a debate between General Jack
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I think very influential. Actually,
one thing he mentioned during the panel was

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that he'd been offered the position of
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he turned it down because he doesn't
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of the Depentagon. It was very
interesting, but I think one point that

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was and then he was The Lucretia
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Landau. Really, I think calling
for withdrawal from Ukraine from American positions in

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the Middle East. So here's the
problem I have with all of that.

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John, half a million people,
half a million people. I know,

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that's nothing compared to this, say, the forty million people who died in

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World War Two. But between two
small countries fighting, half a million people

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have died in the Ukrainian Russian confert. How do we just what's Western values

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about saying those lives don't matter,
negotiate a peace and move on. There

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is no reason on earth why we
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Figure things out us, stay the
hell out of it, and stop the

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slaughter. Stop sending our money,
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I mean, there's no reason on
earth. What you say makes no

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sense from the point of view of
national security or from the point of view

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of some world order that no longer
exists. First of all, the United

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States has shown itself as under Biden, no longer to be the leader of

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the free world. It is absolutely
being humiliated over and over again by our

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enemies. So the first thing we
need to do is pull out of Ukraine

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and regroup. We need to stay
out of because we are so unreliable the

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whole Israeli conflict, and just let
Israel do what Israel needs to do.

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They'll figure out a way to find
the weapons and so forth that they need.

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We just need to stay the hell
out of it. Our capacity to

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fight any war right now is practically
nil. And it's not just because of

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weapons. It's because our military is
a sham. Our military is an absolute

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sham. It's you know, we're
much more interested in making sure we have

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diversity, transgender surgeries, et cetera, et cetera, than we are about

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making sure people are ready to our
military is ready to fight and knows how

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to fight. It's all of this
is crazy to me that we are even

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thinking about giving one more penny to
that corrupt government in Ukraine to do something

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really doesn't make sense to me,
leave putin alone. Lot'll leave us alone.

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That was pretty clear. That was
pretty clear before all of this happened.

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But you know what, show weakness
and guess what, petty tyrants will

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move on. They'll take advantage of
it. And that's what happened. Can

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I jump in, sorry, yes, well I want to jump in with

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a couple of observations and objection observation
of ones both ways. One for John,

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an objection for you Lucretia. So
first of all, we don't know

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what are We don't seem to have
a clear policy on whether Ukraine should be

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negotiating or trying to negotiate with Russia. You hear all kinds of things.

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There's a reason why we keep our
mouth shut. I suppose to preserve flexibility

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for the Ukrainians. It is their
country. On the other hand, we

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keep our mouth shut. Sorry,
Steve, I don't think you're right about

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that at all. Well, it's
unclear to me. However, you know,

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the senior Hungarians I met with in
September, they said, look,

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and of course their policy is this
war should end, it should be negotiated

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immediately, but to stop the killing, and what they said to US Americans,

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who they're sitting on the table with
him, isays, look, here's

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the problem. They were flied about
it, but they they spoke the blunt

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truth. You Americans have a habit
of bugging out. You know, you

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cut off aid to South Vietnam.
You bugged out of Afghanistan. The current

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president bugged out of Afghanistan. We
have no confidence you're going to see this

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through. And if you and Europeans
decide to abandon Ukraine, guess what,

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We're still here. We're the neighbors. And likewise, if you escalate and

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they use a nuclear weapon, guess
where the fallout blows. Right, So

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they feel like very much they're on
the front line, and so they speak

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more clearly about it and get nothing
but grief for saying these kinds of things.

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That's one observation. The second one, actually, this is the I

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guess some objection for you. Lucretia
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I kind of want to say,
compared to what in Eastern Europe. But

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oh, but equally, you know, the New York Times had a big

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feature a couple months ago or maybe
more now saying, gosh, what do

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you know, looks like there really
are some Nazis or Nazi sympathizers in the

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Ukrainian military. They've got these u
that we're Nazi in Sydney is on their

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uniform. My question is, so, what would not be the first time

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that we've illied with an authoritarian or
corrupt country in a larger natural national interest.

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You know Churchill's famous line about the
Soviet Union. If Hitler invaded Hell

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would at least make a favorable reference
to the devil in the House of Commons.

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So, I don't know, but
that's all fine. If you've got

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a larger national interest, you guys
have not been. I mean, John's

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got this sort of theoretical, purely
academic, wishful thinking idea about how Ukraine

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preserving its current borders is anything in
our national interests. There's no proof that

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Putin has any intentions on the rest
of Western Europe. There's none, there's

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zero. Well, there are his
statements that he'd kind of like to reassemble

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the old Soviet Empire, and I
think those things should not be dismissed myself.

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He has said that he thinks that
the collapse of the Warsaw Pact and

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the was one of the worst geopolitical
events, and Russia has had traditionally a

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sphere of interest over there. This
is one thing I don't understand the cruciat

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So you don't want to you want
to stop the slaughter as you call of

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civilians or just generally in Ukraine.
If the United States cut off AID after

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Russia had originally invaded and tried to
kill all these people and is continuing to

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bomb purely civilian targets throughout Ukraine,
you really think the slaughter is going to

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end? If the US off military
ste there's the negotiated settlement, why why

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would why would the why would Russia
not just keep going once we pulled down

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The whole point is to stop them, negotiate a settlement, negotiations. Why

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would why would Putin keep his word? We already had a negotiate settlement in

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Ukraine where actually Russia agreed to maintain
the borders of clear weapons from the end

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of the Cold War, and Russia
violated that one too. Why would you

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why would we take Putin's word to
obey any treaty he signed? If that's

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the case, and what's the point
here, We're going to destroy all of

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Russia so that there's never a possibility
that they can do anything again. We're

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going to kill all their people.
And just I mean that those a think

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it's no, I think it's you
restore. But Ukraine's losing along, you

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know that, right, I'm just
saying you may the goal would be maintain

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the defense of Ukraine, maintain the
borders of our other NATO allies. There

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we've lost John again, We've lost
him. Yeah. In that case,

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let's just take a quick break for
a word from a sponsor. All I

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would say is that I wanted to
go back to one thing he said at

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the beginning, which is the Republicans
in Congress understand something that I think John

418
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doesn't quite, which is, yes, we're broke. He said that he

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understands that. And I know we're
broke because of titlements, but hey,

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we don't need to spend another penny. It's kind of like the person who's

421
00:32:05.920 --> 00:32:09.480
got two hundred thousand dollars in credit
card debt manages to get another credit card

422
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because what's a few more one hundred
thousand in debt. We need to stop

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spending where we don't need to be
spending. A number two there is in

424
00:32:17.279 --> 00:32:24.599
fact a reason why we should put
our own border security over and above anything

425
00:32:24.640 --> 00:32:28.920
that happens in Europe. If Europe
cares that much about their own borders,

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let Europe handle it. Get the
hell out the United States. It's not

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our business anymore. I don't agree
with John that you know, this whole

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idea that we kept the peace for
all these years, that we're still in

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that situation. We are not.
We are not capable currently of having influence

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on the international stage other than our
money. That's it. Because we have

431
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an idiot, a senile, pedophile
idiot in charge. Let maybe that's an

432
00:32:58.480 --> 00:33:01.759
exaggeration. I think President Biden is
not a great president. I agree with

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you with these crazy dei inities in
the military, I don't think that means

434
00:33:07.240 --> 00:33:14.359
our military is completely how John is
hiccupping. And I do think that there

435
00:33:14.400 --> 00:33:16.960
are some certain definite echoes that I
see between the late nineteen seventies when we

436
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were short of ammunition, morale was
terrible, and that was because of the

437
00:33:22.519 --> 00:33:24.559
post Vietnam neglect, and I think
the same thing's happening now. But I

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want to try and begin to draw
us to a conclusion for this segment of

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00:33:28.880 --> 00:33:35.119
things by saying that, you know, my discomfort about this is one of

440
00:33:35.119 --> 00:33:38.279
the many is we seem to be
We've seen to be doing the same strategy

441
00:33:38.319 --> 00:33:44.920
we had in Vietnam, which is
not lose you prevent a takeover of South

442
00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:46.480
Vietnam by North Vietnam. And here
we're doing the same thing. We're not

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actually trying to win a war or
have Ukraine win a war. Now that's

444
00:33:51.519 --> 00:33:53.279
one thing. There's two or three
other things I think you can say.

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One is this is again is a
challenge for Lucretia, and we can come

446
00:33:58.759 --> 00:34:01.839
back to this. But I recommend
highly listeners go find the article in Commentary

447
00:34:01.920 --> 00:34:07.159
magazine from a few months ago by
Gary Saul Morrison at Northwestern University, who

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00:34:07.199 --> 00:34:12.039
I know a little bit, and
he had a fabulous article explaining, look

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00:34:12.079 --> 00:34:15.559
at you look at the sleep of
Russian history and Russian thought. They're a

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naturally imperialist in warlike people that have
spasms of the kind of thing we're seeing

451
00:34:19.840 --> 00:34:22.000
right now. And you know,
it goes back to Peter the Gray and

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00:34:22.079 --> 00:34:23.480
Catherine the Great and all the rest
of that. And I think there's something

453
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of that that's true. Whether we
have a good strategy to address that.

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I doubt, but I think that
that is a fundamental fact that ought to

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be kept in mind at some point. So you're saying there's something genetic in

456
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Russian that's so dumb. Also,
I don't even imagine taking something like that

457
00:34:42.639 --> 00:34:49.840
seriously. That Russian DNA has spasms
that caused them to be periodically imperialistic,

458
00:34:50.360 --> 00:34:54.719
Well they've been that way for centuries, so why not. But let us

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draw this one to Let's draw this
segment to a club, and then after

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a couple of messages from our sponsors, we'll move on to an equally calm

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and undivisive topic of how to think
about January sixth. All right, our

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second item round two of our cage
match, and the boxing scorers are writing

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away their points on the core cards
right now for round one January sixth,

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I want to do a slightly round
about introduction of this to set not a

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parameter, but a way of thinking
about fresh questions. Something really interesting happened

466
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this week. I don't know if
you guys have seen this video. Our

467
00:35:37.960 --> 00:35:43.360
friends in Minnesota put together that Scott
and John no called The Fall of Minneapolis,

468
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done by a very competent documentary crew, and what essentially shows is that

469
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the media did not portray and the
truth did not come out in the courtroom

470
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about what actually happened with George Floyd
on May twenty. So in their podcasts

471
00:36:00.280 --> 00:36:02.880
this week, Glenn Lowry and John
mcwardur said, we've watched this video.

472
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We're simply stunned. John mcwater said, we were lied to. They now

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say George Floyd was not murdered by
a policeman. And you know, this

474
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has been bubbling around with certain people
in the right for a while. But

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00:36:15.000 --> 00:36:19.360
when John mcwarder comes out and says
we were lied to and everything you think

476
00:36:19.400 --> 00:36:22.000
you know about that is wrong,
I said, don't pay attention because you

477
00:36:22.039 --> 00:36:24.920
know mcwardour, you know, is
often critical of the left, but he

478
00:36:24.960 --> 00:36:29.079
pulls his punches because you know,
he hangs out with a theater crowd New

479
00:36:29.199 --> 00:36:31.360
York, and I think he wants
to keep his street credit Columbia University.

480
00:36:31.960 --> 00:36:36.760
And so the two of them both
to say this should change everything we think

481
00:36:36.800 --> 00:36:39.760
about George Floyd and Black Lives Matter
in the summer of twenty twenty is I

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think quite a significant thing. Why
do I bring that up in connection and

483
00:36:45.079 --> 00:36:47.760
connected to January sixth, I think
something similar has happened. We got a

484
00:36:47.840 --> 00:36:52.159
media and political narrative from the beginning
that has some merit to it, but

485
00:36:52.239 --> 00:36:58.000
I think also maybe gravely flawed,
I'll put it that way, and maybe

486
00:36:58.079 --> 00:37:02.199
quite wrong. I increasingly think it
is you. We saw the revelations from

487
00:37:02.239 --> 00:37:07.880
the Durham Report of the way the
whole Russia hoape was constructed by rogue elements

488
00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:13.960
of the FBI, and also John
having been present on campus on what was

489
00:37:14.000 --> 00:37:16.679
it, February fifth, twenty seventeen
for the Mile of Unapolis riot, and

490
00:37:16.760 --> 00:37:22.960
I was standing there at Sprout Plaza
and watch the Antifa agitators come in from

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all sides with their pipes and masks
on and walkie talkies talking to each other

492
00:37:28.880 --> 00:37:32.800
and what was obviously a coordinated attempt
to stir up the already agitated student crowd

493
00:37:32.840 --> 00:37:36.519
into rioting, which isn't hard to
do. It's not hard to start a

494
00:37:36.599 --> 00:37:39.119
riot when you've got a crowd that's
already running at high emotions. And I'm

495
00:37:39.119 --> 00:37:43.679
sitting here thinking, gosh, is
it really that far fetched to say that

496
00:37:43.880 --> 00:37:49.639
agitators exploited a foolish idea by Trump? I think we should stipulate that to

497
00:37:50.440 --> 00:37:52.960
start a riot, and I think
their intent was to ruin Trump once and

498
00:37:53.039 --> 00:37:57.760
for all times. And I'll just
stop here by saying that if January sixth

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00:37:57.880 --> 00:38:01.239
hadn't have happened, Trump, who's
now leading in today's polls by five points

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00:38:01.280 --> 00:38:05.840
over Biden, would be ten points
ahead of Biden. Gosh, she'd even

501
00:38:05.880 --> 00:38:09.440
be ahead of Nikky Haley if January
sixth hadn't happened. So, I don't

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know. I have a hard time. And that's just on the spectacle a

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00:38:13.440 --> 00:38:15.119
loan, and then some individual details
I want to ask about too. So

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00:38:15.159 --> 00:38:22.079
who wants to go first on this? John does? Okay? I put

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00:38:22.159 --> 00:38:30.000
on a small tinfoil Hatier gone.
I'm surprised that you have gone so far

506
00:38:30.159 --> 00:38:34.519
over to the crecious side on this. I can't believe it. She's been

507
00:38:34.559 --> 00:38:37.119
working on you for decades and now
we finally see the toll that's been taken.

508
00:38:38.599 --> 00:38:45.400
So this is so first, Is
there any proof has there been any

509
00:38:45.559 --> 00:38:49.880
edge of these agitators who your singer
from the left, not from the right.

510
00:38:50.000 --> 00:38:53.360
These are agitators you clean from the
left. He filtrated this movement and

511
00:38:53.480 --> 00:38:59.000
provoked and prompted people to attack the
Capitol, tried to find say, hang

512
00:38:59.119 --> 00:39:02.360
Mike Pence, run through the Capitol, break into the floor of the house,

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00:39:02.920 --> 00:39:07.440
stop the electoral This is all left
wing agitators. Have any of them

514
00:39:07.480 --> 00:39:12.400
been caught, Have any of them
been arrested? Is there any testimony under

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00:39:12.440 --> 00:39:16.360
oath? I'm not talking about like
security camera footage, which I think is

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00:39:16.480 --> 00:39:20.159
not clear. I mean, you
could say, oh, here in this

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00:39:20.280 --> 00:39:23.119
security camera, it looks like the
police are not interfering, they're allowing people

518
00:39:23.239 --> 00:39:28.920
in. But you also have the
video that everyone in the country saw of

519
00:39:29.119 --> 00:39:34.000
people climbing up the Capitol, breaking
into it, and then engaging in pitched

520
00:39:34.119 --> 00:39:37.679
battles with the police. Even if
there were left wing agitators, all those

521
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people still broke the law. The
people who broke into the Capitol broke the

522
00:39:42.440 --> 00:39:45.400
law. The people who tried to
enter and did enter into the floor of

523
00:39:45.440 --> 00:39:50.119
the House and stop the electoral vote
broke the law. It doesn't matter to

524
00:39:50.239 --> 00:39:53.239
me if there were left wing agitators
or right wing agitators. Those people who

525
00:39:53.320 --> 00:39:57.320
did it still broke the law,
and I should think should be prosecuted.

526
00:39:57.320 --> 00:40:01.119
The people who wanted up hang Mike
Pence, find members of Congress and assault

527
00:40:01.159 --> 00:40:06.880
them, or I don't know what
kidnapped them they all still brought federal law.

528
00:40:07.199 --> 00:40:09.960
Now that's one. The second thing
I haven't seen any so now the

529
00:40:10.079 --> 00:40:15.599
answer your answer suggests it's because the
FBI and the Justice Department are so corrupt

530
00:40:16.280 --> 00:40:22.760
that they have manufactured evidence, manufactured
all these cases to conceal that. It's

531
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left with adjectives. Look, I
think what you saw, maybe say there's

532
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five hundred people who participated in the
capital attack. It's clear that some of

533
00:40:31.880 --> 00:40:37.480
them were very well organized, had
these clear plans, were former military law

534
00:40:37.559 --> 00:40:42.360
enforcement. Those I think are the
ones who'd be should be arrested and punished

535
00:40:42.440 --> 00:40:45.679
the most. Maybe a whole lot
of the others were just running in with

536
00:40:45.800 --> 00:40:51.440
the crowd, had no real agenda, We're just part of this kind of

537
00:40:52.039 --> 00:40:55.679
mass crowd movement. I would punish
them less. But if anybody, if

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there are anyone who are agitators who
were taking advantage of the crowd, to

539
00:41:00.480 --> 00:41:06.239
me, it's right wing agitators who
really did think that Trump had won the

540
00:41:06.280 --> 00:41:08.800
election, who really thought the electoral
College account should be stopped and they should

541
00:41:08.920 --> 00:41:14.960
kidnap Vice President Pence and you know, the elected leaders of our country to

542
00:41:15.039 --> 00:41:19.639
stop them from carrying out the constitutional
process of the peaceful transfer of power?

543
00:41:21.239 --> 00:41:25.320
What stopped? I mean, actually, please explain to me what even could

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00:41:25.360 --> 00:41:31.480
have happened with the peaceful transfer of
power. That's we'll start there. What

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00:41:31.760 --> 00:41:38.280
do you think that if you say
five hundred protesters, two hundred of whom

546
00:41:38.599 --> 00:41:45.559
have now been proven to be undercover
agents. So of the five hundred,

547
00:41:45.840 --> 00:41:51.800
where is that coming from? It's
coming from Congress. Congress Congress, I

548
00:41:51.880 --> 00:41:54.519
know, because you don't read anything
but the Washington Posts and the New York

549
00:41:54.559 --> 00:42:00.719
Times, who have it and their
interest to make sure that nobody two hundred

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00:42:00.119 --> 00:42:09.559
who where did this two hundred number
of agents shows based upon based upon the

551
00:42:09.800 --> 00:42:15.679
video that they've seen and identifying those
people. And you know, we've seen

552
00:42:15.719 --> 00:42:17.840
the video all over the place where
they're showing their badges. But the badges

553
00:42:17.880 --> 00:42:22.000
are the you know, the names
and the numbers are are are you know,

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00:42:22.199 --> 00:42:31.039
blurred out two hundred undercover FBI and
other federal law enforcement agents within the

555
00:42:31.159 --> 00:42:39.320
January sixth crowd. If they really
were undercover agents trying to stop the horrible

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00:42:39.519 --> 00:42:44.639
insurrection on that day, why didn't
they do something at the time? Why

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didn't they stop it? That they
were there? So this two hundred number

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comes from members of Congress on the
record, on the record, because they

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00:42:53.679 --> 00:42:59.239
saw video where they were, they
saw video, they they were able to

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00:42:59.360 --> 00:43:05.159
identify the people that on the video
as undercover FBI agents. And this is

561
00:43:05.239 --> 00:43:09.159
not like Marjorie Taylor Green or not
Marjorie Taylor Green gets who said what congressmen

562
00:43:09.239 --> 00:43:15.840
have said this? Because I find
that really implausible? Well, okay,

563
00:43:15.920 --> 00:43:17.480
you do, I find it that's
true. Than the House, than the

564
00:43:17.559 --> 00:43:23.119
House which has a Republican speaker,
can appoint another committee to investigate this and

565
00:43:23.239 --> 00:43:27.840
let's have about let's have about the
truth. The other thing is all these

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00:43:27.880 --> 00:43:30.360
people who are being put on trial
could bring this up as defense evidence and

567
00:43:30.480 --> 00:43:34.719
testimony and have a judge look at
it and we'll see if it's true or

568
00:43:34.800 --> 00:43:42.480
not. So you do know that
that the committee destroyed all of their their

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00:43:42.559 --> 00:43:46.119
depositions, right, all the people
that came to give depositions to the January

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00:43:46.239 --> 00:43:52.000
sixth committee, including all of these
undercover agents, all of those tapes miraculously

571
00:43:52.199 --> 00:43:55.000
have been destroyed. Why would they
do that? John? And that's I

572
00:43:55.039 --> 00:43:59.920
mean, that's on every every news. I mean, if you haven't seen

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00:44:00.119 --> 00:44:02.599
that, I don't know what to
say. It's everywhere. They destroyed every

574
00:44:02.679 --> 00:44:07.079
single deposition that they took on January
sixth, because they asked for this.

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00:44:07.199 --> 00:44:10.199
Destroy them. I bet they've put
them under some kind of lock and key.

576
00:44:10.280 --> 00:44:14.960
Well they say they've just good.
You can still have a new committee

577
00:44:15.039 --> 00:44:19.840
reinterview all those people there's really believed. Look, if you really believed,

578
00:44:19.920 --> 00:44:22.400
if the speaker really believes out of
the five hundred people they are two hundred

579
00:44:22.400 --> 00:44:27.119
of them or under character undercover FBI
agents, then I think he would be

580
00:44:27.199 --> 00:44:31.119
totally justified in reconstituting a new committee
to investigate what happened. And you could

581
00:44:31.159 --> 00:44:35.400
do exactly the same what the January
sixth committee did. I know. I

582
00:44:35.480 --> 00:44:38.039
think that the amazing thing, though, is how much you don't understand about

583
00:44:38.079 --> 00:44:43.679
what the real purpose of all this
is, and that is to make sure

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that nobody ever, ever, ever, ever questions a democratic victory again,

585
00:44:51.199 --> 00:44:54.480
and that there is proof all over
the country now coming out in some of

586
00:44:54.559 --> 00:45:02.639
these different trials, even the trials
against Donald tr that how much absolute voter

587
00:45:02.880 --> 00:45:07.440
fraud was actually taking place Michigan,
Georgia, et cetera, et cetera.

588
00:45:07.519 --> 00:45:10.639
Okay, you don't believe it happened. Why we don't investigate these things.

589
00:45:10.719 --> 00:45:15.800
If any judge or legislature in those
states authoritatively finds it happens, I'm willing

590
00:45:15.880 --> 00:45:21.320
to change my mind. Okay,
if any judge or legislator in those states

591
00:45:21.400 --> 00:45:28.199
that it was legislature, legislature or
too crazy legislator. But yeah, if

592
00:45:28.280 --> 00:45:31.239
you have these legislatures, some of
them are Republican, they had audits,

593
00:45:31.280 --> 00:45:37.840
they've had investigations. Arizona had an
audit. Arizona looked at the ballots that

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they had encountered them. Again,
the ballots themselves were fraudulent, but they

595
00:45:42.440 --> 00:45:45.960
just recounted them. That's not an
audit. Let me let me intervene here

596
00:45:45.199 --> 00:45:49.960
with a couple of questions, bushes
law. I think Lucretia is right,

597
00:45:50.039 --> 00:45:53.920
and there's a lot of political lawfare
going on here, like the Trump on

598
00:45:53.960 --> 00:46:00.280
the other hand, And and here's
I've heard a lot of these a lot

599
00:46:00.320 --> 00:46:05.360
of these claims also, and I
always want to know more to be convinced

600
00:46:05.360 --> 00:46:07.960
about things, because sometimes even things
that are true get the story or take

601
00:46:08.000 --> 00:46:12.320
on the life of the room and
take wing and it's hard to sort out.

602
00:46:12.480 --> 00:46:15.480
However, there are some anomalies here, John, it is reported.

603
00:46:15.559 --> 00:46:19.920
And here's another problem we hear a
lot of things, and yeah, even

604
00:46:19.960 --> 00:46:22.960
reported sometimes in the Washington Post,
which means they might be true. But

605
00:46:23.280 --> 00:46:30.119
it has been reported widely that the
Secret Service increased their detail for Vice President

606
00:46:30.199 --> 00:46:35.480
Pants because they were worried about things
maybe getting out of control. Again,

607
00:46:35.519 --> 00:46:37.960
I think the Secret Service won't tell
you how they decide staffing levels and all

608
00:46:38.000 --> 00:46:42.000
the rest of that. And I
get the general reason you'd say that.

609
00:46:42.800 --> 00:46:46.760
But if they did that, why
wouldn't the Capitol Police have been on a

610
00:46:46.840 --> 00:46:52.079
higher alert and called in more officers. Why did, as is reported,

611
00:46:52.119 --> 00:46:55.559
and I don't know if it's true. Why was a request or suggestion from

612
00:46:55.639 --> 00:47:00.320
the White House. Did Washington DC
have the National Guard out to keep order?

613
00:47:00.639 --> 00:47:04.360
Denied? And turned down? These
are the sort of kind of anomalies

614
00:47:04.400 --> 00:47:07.880
that way don't add up. Right. This is one of Rumsfeld's famous rules,

615
00:47:08.039 --> 00:47:13.440
which he got from Larry Silverman,
which is you should not a tribute

616
00:47:13.719 --> 00:47:17.280
to malevolence, which is just explained
buying competence. And O Katie, Okay,

617
00:47:17.880 --> 00:47:22.840
I like, I could totally totally
You're totally right, Steve. It

618
00:47:22.119 --> 00:47:27.920
would have been obviously much better if
the Capitol Police and the National Guard had

619
00:47:28.000 --> 00:47:32.880
operated effectively increased staffing got better,
more people there in time. I don't

620
00:47:32.920 --> 00:47:37.360
know the reports I've registered that they
were riddled with incompetence, but that doesn't

621
00:47:37.360 --> 00:47:45.840
mean there was a conspiracy to stop
to the democratic election, democratic favorable election

622
00:47:45.039 --> 00:47:50.000
results to take place throughout the country. Well, there's no reason why they

623
00:47:50.039 --> 00:47:52.920
would do that now, is there. They weren't afraid a bit of Trump

624
00:47:52.000 --> 00:47:57.639
getting re elected. So there's no
reason whatsoever to because they're not doing that

625
00:47:57.800 --> 00:48:02.159
now either, are they. They're
not going after Trump legitimately because they're not

626
00:48:02.280 --> 00:48:06.400
afraid. I mean, it's so
dumb not to see the big picture.

627
00:48:06.480 --> 00:48:14.480
I can't stand it. Well for
an over and over falling, you're following

628
00:48:14.519 --> 00:48:20.880
it over and over and over again. Please dear see that connects everything together

629
00:48:21.400 --> 00:48:25.480
into one giant, malevolent force that
is typical of conspiracy filmings. I don't

630
00:48:25.559 --> 00:48:30.320
even all told us that's what they
did. Well, Mollyball told us they

631
00:48:30.400 --> 00:48:32.119
did it, and they did it
on purpose. John, they did it

632
00:48:32.239 --> 00:48:39.760
and they did it on purpose being
re elected. Well, you shouldn't take

633
00:48:39.840 --> 00:48:45.119
some columnists claiming this is why I
take it as this calmnist who said,

634
00:48:45.159 --> 00:48:46.840
oh, we brought down Trump,
we did all this stuff. She had

635
00:48:46.920 --> 00:48:52.519
no influencer power. She's just some
Molly Ball is now a political reporter John

636
00:48:52.599 --> 00:48:55.440
for the Wall Street Journal news pages. And I hate to say it,

637
00:48:57.039 --> 00:48:59.800
I met her a couple of times. Of course. Uh look, I

638
00:48:59.840 --> 00:49:05.199
mean it's not that. Here's what
bothers me. Well, let's see,

639
00:49:05.199 --> 00:49:07.360
I'm gonna sort of come in in
the middle in a certain way. Remember

640
00:49:07.480 --> 00:49:13.880
John, that on election Day in
twenty twenty, downtown Washington, d C.

641
00:49:14.159 --> 00:49:15.719
Was boarded up, right, you
know, our friends we visited that,

642
00:49:15.760 --> 00:49:20.039
older windows boarded up. And why
was it boarded up? It wasn't

643
00:49:20.079 --> 00:49:22.039
for the Trump people. It was
because the fear was that Trump was going

644
00:49:22.119 --> 00:49:24.800
to win, and who was going
to riot? By the way, other

645
00:49:24.920 --> 00:49:29.440
cities boarded up their downtowns. Right. So one of the one of the

646
00:49:30.039 --> 00:49:32.960
bitter ironies of this whole thing is
that the riots that were expected from the

647
00:49:34.039 --> 00:49:38.000
left turned out to be from some
people attached to Trump. So this is

648
00:49:38.039 --> 00:49:43.559
a huge catastrophe, I think,
as politically, which is you know why

649
00:49:43.760 --> 00:49:46.199
I keep coming back to this point
of January sixth hadn't happened, and Trump

650
00:49:46.400 --> 00:49:51.360
drove the initial response to gather all
those people there, he'd be ten points

651
00:49:51.360 --> 00:49:54.440
ahead right now, and cruising to
a triumphant election next year. But then

652
00:49:54.480 --> 00:49:59.119
the second thing is so Lucretia you
mentioned you know we have we've seen you've

653
00:49:59.159 --> 00:50:02.079
been able to identify two hundred federal
agents. Yeah, they were there,

654
00:50:02.239 --> 00:50:06.519
but do we know what all of
them were actually doing? That I'm much

655
00:50:06.599 --> 00:50:09.079
less clear about. I mean,
it could have been there than Trump supporters.

656
00:50:09.840 --> 00:50:13.719
What's that some of them were dressed
up as Trump supporters. But the

657
00:50:13.800 --> 00:50:17.559
big deal actually is not so much
that they were dressed up as Trump supporters

658
00:50:17.639 --> 00:50:24.320
and undercover within different groups, but
that weeks prior to January sixth, they

659
00:50:24.400 --> 00:50:30.039
were aiding and abetting this sort of
idea that we need to go in on

660
00:50:30.199 --> 00:50:36.519
January sixth and try to stop the
electoral count. That's what's coming out more

661
00:50:36.639 --> 00:50:38.679
and more and more. And as
a matter of fact, let's see Proud

662
00:50:38.719 --> 00:50:44.199
Boys member of Pizzola, I forget
his first name, his defense attorney has

663
00:50:44.679 --> 00:50:52.000
has clearly identified forty undercover agents involved
in the Proud Boys and is using that

664
00:50:52.079 --> 00:50:54.400
as a defense strategy. So there's
one example of what you were talking about.

665
00:50:54.719 --> 00:50:58.679
The problem is, you're right,
I have a very hard time with

666
00:50:58.760 --> 00:51:04.039
this notion that that all of these
things could be part of a vast conspiracy

667
00:51:04.159 --> 00:51:07.280
theory that goes against everything. Believe
it or not that I think makes any

668
00:51:07.440 --> 00:51:13.480
logical sense, John. What I
do believe, though, is that Trump

669
00:51:13.760 --> 00:51:22.480
inspires in these ideological hacks and these
government officials who want nothing but continued power.

670
00:51:22.400 --> 00:51:27.159
There's enough there to keep them doing
what they're doing now. They may

671
00:51:27.239 --> 00:51:31.199
not even need to coordinate in many
cases. The idea that the same people

672
00:51:31.320 --> 00:51:38.239
responsible for Russia Russia Russia in twenty
sixteen, and then the continued taking on

673
00:51:39.639 --> 00:51:47.280
campaign against Trump and these people throughout
most of Trump's administration are not also capable

674
00:51:47.360 --> 00:51:53.480
of planning and executing something like what
happened on January sixth, That to me

675
00:51:53.880 --> 00:51:59.639
is a little bit naive. These
are the same people. I know you

676
00:51:59.679 --> 00:52:01.840
don't like the FBI. I don't
like the way the FBI is currently structured.

677
00:52:02.280 --> 00:52:07.199
But all those people who are responsible
for the Russia hoax were gone by

678
00:52:07.239 --> 00:52:09.360
the time of twenty twenty. Chris
Ray is the director of the FBI.

679
00:52:13.639 --> 00:52:16.000
I don't think Chris, and only
the very top people are gone. Nobody

680
00:52:16.119 --> 00:52:21.880
lost their jobs because of the older
people, the people who who could cock

681
00:52:22.000 --> 00:52:27.440
the struck and paid the people who
we knew about fired. They're all suing

682
00:52:27.519 --> 00:52:30.360
the government now to get back and
to get their back pay because Trump or

683
00:52:30.480 --> 00:52:37.440
Chris Ray fired all of them.
Yeah, we uh uh okay, So

684
00:52:37.679 --> 00:52:38.679
let me in just a couple other
questions, and then we want to draw

685
00:52:38.719 --> 00:52:43.679
to a close on this too because
John has to go. So here's I

686
00:52:43.760 --> 00:52:46.760
brought this up before, but let's
crystallize it again. Was the entire Capitol

687
00:52:46.800 --> 00:52:50.440
building under siege or just parts of
it? I mean, it's a huge

688
00:52:50.559 --> 00:52:53.519
building. I'm not sure. The
whole perimeter is what three quarters of a

689
00:52:53.559 --> 00:53:00.239
mile? I'm not sure. And
so we now have enough video availab that

690
00:53:00.320 --> 00:53:02.280
we can see that some parts,
you know, the police were letting people

691
00:53:02.360 --> 00:53:06.559
in and showing them around, and
other parts you had people breaking windows and

692
00:53:06.599 --> 00:53:10.880
smashing doors and assaulting police officers and
so forth. What's the exact timeline of

693
00:53:10.920 --> 00:53:15.119
events? It was reported early on
that some of the bad behaviors started.

694
00:53:15.199 --> 00:53:20.880
Walt Trump was still speaking down at
the ellipse. And there's no definitive word

695
00:53:20.920 --> 00:53:23.320
in a lot of these questions.
What proportion of the crowd was actually violent?

696
00:53:23.400 --> 00:53:27.320
Run ruly? Was it only five
percent? Was it fifteen percent?

697
00:53:27.840 --> 00:53:30.920
My guess is it's five percent or
less. I know just recently ran into

698
00:53:30.960 --> 00:53:35.519
somebody, a neighbor out here in
California who I didn't know this, who

699
00:53:35.679 --> 00:53:38.280
was present that day part of the
stop to Steal rally, and when they

700
00:53:38.320 --> 00:53:43.519
started seeing trouble near the Capitol,
they left exactly the same thing I did

701
00:53:43.599 --> 00:53:46.880
on Sprout Plaza on February five,
twenty seventeen, when Antifa started, you

702
00:53:46.960 --> 00:53:50.760
know, setting fires and things.
I left as quick as I could.

703
00:53:51.719 --> 00:53:53.559
So, you know, where do
we hear? We never hear by the

704
00:53:53.599 --> 00:53:58.880
way the media say, as the
media said about the George Floyd riots,

705
00:53:58.920 --> 00:54:02.960
Well, it was mostly peaceful.
So you know, even if you give

706
00:54:04.039 --> 00:54:07.360
full credit or you want to overweight
the people who are breaking windows and climbing

707
00:54:07.400 --> 00:54:10.639
walls and all the rest of that, my guess is that's a tiny minority

708
00:54:10.719 --> 00:54:14.679
the total crowd that was assembled there. I don't know. But those are

709
00:54:14.800 --> 00:54:17.719
questions that were not investigated by the
Congressional Committee. They still haven't been,

710
00:54:19.000 --> 00:54:22.519
and so I'm very I remained very
unhappy that we really know the truth of

711
00:54:22.599 --> 00:54:28.280
what happened that day. That's my
summary. Last here's my one last redoubt.

712
00:54:28.800 --> 00:54:32.000
OK. Then we have the Bill
of Rights, we have a judicial

713
00:54:32.079 --> 00:54:37.440
system. We have judges, and
you can't be convicted except by a jury

714
00:54:37.519 --> 00:54:43.199
of your peers. Ultimately, the
defendants who are being prosecuted for January six

715
00:54:43.400 --> 00:54:46.599
have the right to bring all this
into court, to call any witnesses they

716
00:54:46.679 --> 00:54:49.960
want. Right, they have the
right to subpoena the witnesses. They right

717
00:54:50.000 --> 00:54:53.719
discibpoena of this information from the government
presented in their trial. And that I

718
00:54:53.760 --> 00:55:01.480
think is the ultimate protection for Americans. Think this conspiracy theory really happened,

719
00:55:02.199 --> 00:55:07.679
then you have because we've seen how
incredibly I'm sorry, I have to stop

720
00:55:07.800 --> 00:55:12.679
it. Assume that it's going to
override that. All the judges are in

721
00:55:12.800 --> 00:55:15.280
on it, all those juries are
in on it, and they're all going

722
00:55:15.320 --> 00:55:19.280
to throw all these people and sentence
them to jail. Well, judges,

723
00:55:19.440 --> 00:55:23.360
all the juries, where John are
they going to? Where to try these

724
00:55:23.440 --> 00:55:28.960
people? You see? Where the
location where it occurred? This normal procedure.

725
00:55:29.119 --> 00:55:36.639
I think d juries are pretty rough
and j Yeah, judges, judges,

726
00:55:37.159 --> 00:55:39.239
Well, so these judges several of
whom I think are fine, upstanding

727
00:55:39.320 --> 00:55:44.039
people who I know personally, who
are appointed by Donald Trump. You are

728
00:55:44.079 --> 00:55:49.679
claiming you are all corrupt because you
know what they've made. So you're done.

729
00:55:49.760 --> 00:55:52.079
If you don't go for to me, you have no grounds on which

730
00:55:52.119 --> 00:55:57.639
to claim that the federal district judges
in Washington, d C. Particularly ones

731
00:55:57.639 --> 00:56:00.079
appointed by President Trump, are corrupt. And how it out to throw all

732
00:56:00.119 --> 00:56:04.280
these people in jail. Well,
I'll just make this let's just make that's

733
00:56:04.320 --> 00:56:07.199
just made up. I'll just make
this point, John, is that you

734
00:56:07.239 --> 00:56:10.360
know the legal remedies you point to. True, that's very expensive for a

735
00:56:10.400 --> 00:56:14.960
lot of people who are don't have
a lot of means to pay for depositions

736
00:56:15.000 --> 00:56:17.119
to draw out a criminal trial.
I thought Donald Trump was going to pay

737
00:56:17.199 --> 00:56:21.159
for all their defenses. Well,
you know there's another thing. Why didn't

738
00:56:21.239 --> 00:56:23.639
Donald Trump preemptibly pardon all these people? I agree, we left office on

739
00:56:23.760 --> 00:56:27.920
January twenty, Right, he didn't
do that, and I don't think he

740
00:56:28.079 --> 00:56:30.320
expected it to be the way it
turned out. And I don't know expected

741
00:56:30.639 --> 00:56:35.360
a hack like Merrick Garland to do
the damage. He's done. But all

742
00:56:35.480 --> 00:56:38.760
right, I'm gonna declare to be
continued as we finally get some more information

743
00:56:38.920 --> 00:56:42.719
out, as we get more of
the videos analyzed, are the readers going

744
00:56:42.760 --> 00:56:47.559
to post comments with the scorecards?
Yes, the judges, the fights yeah,

745
00:56:50.159 --> 00:56:52.800
I know, I know Lucretia has
already bribed the East German judge for

746
00:56:53.039 --> 00:56:59.360
her to win. There'll be a
putent judge, because there will be.

747
00:57:00.159 --> 00:57:05.079
I believe any of what you said
was true, had they in fact gone

748
00:57:05.159 --> 00:57:12.440
after the January excuse me. The
George Floyd protesters who say tried to do

749
00:57:12.960 --> 00:57:15.400
very similar things in Washington, d
C. Who I have been gone after

750
00:57:15.559 --> 00:57:22.519
the Hamas people. How many of
those those those Cretans, those scumbags who

751
00:57:22.639 --> 00:57:25.880
were trying to get actually stopped.
They were in Congress, they where everything

752
00:57:25.920 --> 00:57:30.159
else. How many of those people
have been prosecuted to the full extent of

753
00:57:30.199 --> 00:57:34.039
the law. How many of those
people have been stuck in solitary confinement for

754
00:57:34.360 --> 00:57:37.639
months and months and months. Yeah, I'm just horrible conditions. The political

755
00:57:37.719 --> 00:57:42.519
double standards here does bother me.
I think I think back to the I

756
00:57:42.719 --> 00:57:45.760
think it was. I forget which
terrorist group there have been several of the

757
00:57:45.840 --> 00:57:47.639
years, but back in nineteen eighty
three, some terrorist groups set off a

758
00:57:47.679 --> 00:57:51.920
bomb and inside the Capitol building.
I don't even have to go back that

759
00:57:51.960 --> 00:57:55.519
way. Wait a minute, and
those people were pardoned by Bill Clinton fifteen

760
00:57:55.599 --> 00:57:59.960
years later. It's Bill See so
this is why. Okay, law fair,

761
00:58:00.039 --> 00:58:00.320
all the rest of that. All
right. I don't know if we

762
00:58:00.360 --> 00:58:04.360
have a Camelism handy or not.
John, you've been on the road she

763
00:58:04.519 --> 00:58:07.840
was. Fortunately, no, no, unfortunately I have one. But again

764
00:58:07.039 --> 00:58:13.000
it's not a word Salad. I
think what she says seriously is worse.

765
00:58:15.280 --> 00:58:20.440
Yeah, yeah, no, no. She appeared in the Middle East right

766
00:58:21.119 --> 00:58:23.360
to make comments about the way Israel
was conducting the war. You know,

767
00:58:23.400 --> 00:58:28.000
this will drive Lucretia crazy based on
what she said earlier about letting Israel,

768
00:58:30.079 --> 00:58:36.800
and didn't stop in Israel, but
chose to from an Arab country tell Israel

769
00:58:36.840 --> 00:58:39.400
how to conduct the war, and
then issued a statement saying, under no

770
00:58:39.599 --> 00:58:45.840
circumstances, well, the United States
permit the force relocation of Palestinians from Gaza

771
00:58:45.840 --> 00:58:49.840
to the West Bank, the besiegement
of Gaza, or the withdrawing of the

772
00:58:49.960 --> 00:58:55.639
borders of Gaza. Didn't see anything
in that statement saying under no circumstances would

773
00:58:55.719 --> 00:59:01.159
the United States prohibit anyone from invading, attacking Israel, and committing horrible war

774
00:59:01.239 --> 00:59:07.599
crimes against its civilian population. So
sadly, our commonalism is all too serious.

775
00:59:07.840 --> 00:59:09.559
Again, for two weeks in a
row, now she thought the same

776
00:59:09.639 --> 00:59:13.159
thing this week when I heard it, John, that you would say that

777
00:59:13.599 --> 00:59:15.000
I do have to We didn't mention
this. I know we're out of time,

778
00:59:15.079 --> 00:59:19.119
John, but I have to ask
you what you think about what you

779
00:59:19.159 --> 00:59:28.039
think about your boy John Fetterman.
Lately Three times now I've actually retweeted something

780
00:59:28.119 --> 00:59:35.360
he tweeted. I retweeted a John
Fetterman tweet. Yeah, so stroke of

781
00:59:35.480 --> 00:59:38.039
genius, I'm calling it. But
sorry, Yeah, maybe strokes make people

782
00:59:38.159 --> 00:59:46.639
more consumerable. Yeah, yeah,
something along. He's responding to the Pennsylvania

783
00:59:47.199 --> 00:59:52.079
to you know, internal political situation. Pennsylvania has a very large influential Jewish

784
00:59:52.119 --> 00:59:55.760
community, many of whom are my
friends. And I'm glad he's taking the

785
00:59:55.840 --> 01:00:00.719
position he has. Where's the other
Pennsylvania center there is what I want to

786
01:00:00.760 --> 01:00:05.360
know. Yeah, No, that
Bob Menendez should be kicked out of the

787
01:00:05.400 --> 01:00:08.360
Senate. I mean he's been really
quite Yeah, but we kicked out.

788
01:00:08.679 --> 01:00:15.280
We didn't even talk about that.
George Santos for petty crimes and Bob Menendez

789
01:00:15.360 --> 01:00:17.320
is still anyway, That's that's a
whole other time. I get it.

790
01:00:17.639 --> 01:00:22.880
Give us a quick or two.
A couple the Babylon b writers stand in

791
01:00:22.000 --> 01:00:27.800
solidarity with our fellow fake news writers
going on strike at the Washington Post.

792
01:00:29.840 --> 01:00:34.400
No one was wonderful and we really
didn't discuss this. I saw a lot

793
01:00:34.440 --> 01:00:37.719
of this on I think on Twitter, which was, yeah, we're all

794
01:00:37.840 --> 01:00:43.000
complaining about what it is. Hunter
Biden spent his one point three one point

795
01:00:43.039 --> 01:00:46.480
six whatever it was million dollars on
hookers and sex clubs and things like that.

796
01:00:46.679 --> 01:00:50.440
But the point of the matter really
is where do you get the money?

797
01:00:50.880 --> 01:00:58.000
And I and back to your hershey
Hershey's kisses size tinfoil conspiracy. I

798
01:00:58.280 --> 01:01:02.440
sometimes think that all of that salaciousness
is designed to sort of distract people from

799
01:01:02.719 --> 01:01:07.559
thinking, yeah, where did Hunter
Biden get one point six million dollars?

800
01:01:07.679 --> 01:01:09.719
Right? Right? Remember about you? It's much more than that. It's

801
01:01:10.119 --> 01:01:16.440
seven million dollars. Yeah, really
that's Drew. Yeah, he a million.

802
01:01:17.360 --> 01:01:22.079
But it's worth looking at the indictment
because what there is in there that

803
01:01:22.199 --> 01:01:25.840
I've never seen before is a breakdown
of hunter spending over four years and the

804
01:01:25.960 --> 01:01:31.599
guy withdrew like a million dollars in
cash from ATMs over four year period,

805
01:01:31.719 --> 01:01:35.480
Like, how do you even carry
that much money? And what was he

806
01:01:35.559 --> 01:01:37.039
spending on? But you're right,
Look, the real question is, and

807
01:01:37.119 --> 01:01:42.199
this is what the House Impeachment right
proceeding investigationship to grill into, is where

808
01:01:42.239 --> 01:01:44.400
did the money come from? And
then where did he move it to?

809
01:01:44.519 --> 01:01:49.119
Because according to the irs whistleblowers,
there's still another twenty million dollars that they

810
01:01:49.159 --> 01:01:55.320
haven't found. So again the Babylon
b hunter Biden indicted for not paying taxes

811
01:01:55.400 --> 01:02:00.360
on his bribes. They kind of
get to that that heart of matter,

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right, and then I suppose we'll
end it with the UPenn President UPenn President

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White Special, please don't pull that
one hundred million dollar donation, Menora.

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That was something that made me feel
good this last week when I saw that,

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I forget the guy's name, the
CEO of some you know major AMNI

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alumnus of U Pen had already taken
away one hundred million dollars a few years

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back in twenty seventeen, and now
has taken away another one hundred million because

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he's just tired of this. And
that wouldn't that be great to see that

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happen all along the place. See, it was sad about Penn. I'm

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from Philly and my family has long
connections with Penn and Pen. I think

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was not one of those schools.
I could be wrong that enforce a Jewish

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quota like other fancy schools to like
Harvard, and so penn has historically had

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a large number of Jewish. There's
a reason why there's so many Jewish alumni

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who are cutting off donotions Pen because
I think Jews were allowed at Pen in

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much larger numbers. I mean,
it's still a Quaker state, you know,

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Pennsylvania, and you know, so
they don't believe in the kind of

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you know, racial bigotry that occurred
in at Harvard and ye know other schools

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in the twenties and thirties, and
so they love that school and they've been

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supporting it, and there's high number
of Jewish students or that makes all the

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worse what the president has been doing. So John, I don't I couldn't

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find it. I looked all over
for it because I thought I saved it.

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But my favorite meme I saw in
the last week was I hate to

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brag, but I didn't graduate from
Harvard. Oh. David Bernstein said that,

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I think on Twitter. Yeah,
that turned into a me right?

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Are okay? And John? You
you actually graduated from Harvard when when one

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could actually get an education. And
I do want to put that out to

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our listeners that I don't hold it
against you that you're at Harvard Grad.

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You had some good professors while you
were there, Hervey, Mansfields and Huntington,

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and I mean I had Daniel,
but I had the most amazing teachers.

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Actually, yeah, and so so
before everybody makes sense, it makes

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01:04:02.880 --> 01:04:08.079
fun of John. Just remember he
was at Harvard when Harvard mattered. All

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right, boy, you guys are
unruly. John. You gotta send us

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on our farewell launch. Here we
gotta go. Well, always drink your

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whiskey. Eat. Let's go,
Brandon and Steve, God save the queen

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man by everyone. The priest have
Lejuicio sending all the chance and they're all

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calling down name, even academics,
such a printed word. My father to

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the left of me, my mother
to the right, like everyone else they're

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finding. But no, you fight
right. And I need someone to believe

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in, someone to trust. I
need someone to believe in someone. Ricochet

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