WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.720 --> 00:00:05.599 It's the tip of the sword as we sly from left to right, and 2 00:00:05.639 --> 00:00:12.279 we take a strip of pastor on pasta attacks with our favorites, don't we, 3 00:00:12.359 --> 00:00:16.640 Emma, Yes, thank you, Phoebe. It's an exciting time. 4 00:00:16.679 --> 00:00:19.920 This is the best piece of news that I think we've probably all seen all 5 00:00:20.000 --> 00:00:25.239 year. It is pasta versus pasta in a war over a former male stripper 6 00:00:25.359 --> 00:00:30.640 doing shirtless acrobatics at a very manly event for manly men organized by a church. 7 00:00:30.960 --> 00:00:32.880 No. I did not make any of that up. This is a 8 00:00:32.920 --> 00:00:37.159 story from the stream by Michael Brown on April sixteenth, twenty twenty four. 9 00:00:37.320 --> 00:00:41.159 And I think, first of all, Helen and I especially were getting very 10 00:00:41.240 --> 00:00:47.000 animated earlier about how amazing this men's conference for manly men is. We have 11 00:00:47.079 --> 00:00:53.600 had monster trucks apparently, And this story is about a professional sword swallowing acrobat 12 00:00:53.960 --> 00:00:58.399 performing at this men's event, and I lament the lack of excitement in women's 13 00:00:58.399 --> 00:01:02.560 events. Yeah, Helen, what the hell's going on? Well? Okay, 14 00:01:02.840 --> 00:01:06.680 So those of our audience that are familiar with Marc ro Skoll, we 15 00:01:06.760 --> 00:01:11.239 have talked about this special special man, this very man name man name made 16 00:01:11.359 --> 00:01:19.439 man on the show before, and he was. He had a moment where 17 00:01:19.640 --> 00:01:25.000 there was a former male stripbird that is now a devout Christian went to this 18 00:01:25.400 --> 00:01:33.439 male conference of Christian evangelicals and he I don't know if he means to have 19 00:01:33.480 --> 00:01:41.120 a moment with himself about maybe him some feelings he was having that he was 20 00:01:41.319 --> 00:01:49.480 upset because this shirtless performer basically called his show a stripper performance by being near 21 00:01:49.519 --> 00:01:55.519 a pole, just near it, and he was he was just near it. 22 00:01:56.280 --> 00:02:00.840 Surely, when are you sure you like when Ukrainian or German or check 23 00:02:00.519 --> 00:02:10.199 slow back so gives me a metal pole let me or it might have been 24 00:02:10.199 --> 00:02:15.240 a pole, I don't know either way. And you swallow the sword, 25 00:02:15.520 --> 00:02:23.520 had no shirt off and marked your skull basically equated to a sexual performance. 26 00:02:23.879 --> 00:02:27.120 Now, I don't know about you. That sounds like a good time, 27 00:02:27.680 --> 00:02:36.280 but apparently Mark has some feelings about it and is, like I said, 28 00:02:36.360 --> 00:02:38.000 I'm like, maybe he needs to come to a rule pole. He needs 29 00:02:38.039 --> 00:02:42.800 to have a come to Rule Paul moment. That's basically but I think, 30 00:02:45.759 --> 00:02:50.400 yes, they need to come to rule Pall moment, which kind of gets 31 00:02:50.439 --> 00:02:55.639 into a little bit of the homophobia and these manly man man man man I. 32 00:02:55.759 --> 00:03:00.000 You know, I have big dig energy that happens at these events, 33 00:03:00.000 --> 00:03:04.439 and so I would like to hear from Infidel on how he felt. Are 34 00:03:04.479 --> 00:03:07.319 you saying that you think that Infidel might have big dick energy? Yes, 35 00:03:08.960 --> 00:03:17.360 was a resident alpha malea. You have a fucking shirt man, that makes 36 00:03:17.400 --> 00:03:23.840 it official. You know that T shirt? He says that you're horning. 37 00:03:23.520 --> 00:03:27.639 Well, you know, well when I first heard strippers in church, I 38 00:03:27.680 --> 00:03:30.120 was like, okay, well Lisa finally giving something back. But you know, 39 00:03:30.759 --> 00:03:32.599 I was like, you know, I how to settle for a gift 40 00:03:32.639 --> 00:03:37.000 card. But you know, you take what you can get from a church. 41 00:03:37.400 --> 00:03:40.319 But you know, seriously, Helen, you mentioned Drisco in his own 42 00:03:40.599 --> 00:03:46.199 discomfort. He mentionedist the spirit of Jezebel up here and you know he's building 43 00:03:46.199 --> 00:03:51.199 this and took his shirt off and half expected to go and man, did 44 00:03:51.199 --> 00:03:54.639 you see that tight ass? But you know, did you see that package 45 00:03:54.800 --> 00:04:00.520 on the front? I mean, yes, good package. You know Blair 46 00:04:00.639 --> 00:04:05.879 your bullrush. You're you're right, I would I would peg Driscoll for a 47 00:04:05.919 --> 00:04:11.080 bottom. But having said that, you know, it's really one of those 48 00:04:11.120 --> 00:04:15.720 situations where and it is it's homophobia all the way. It's but it's so 49 00:04:16.040 --> 00:04:21.639 weird that a bunch of men get together in this godly man kind of way. 50 00:04:21.720 --> 00:04:26.560 What whatever that nonsense means, because really, when it gets down to 51 00:04:26.680 --> 00:04:30.920 it, it's it's it's the first cousin of purity culture and some type of 52 00:04:31.160 --> 00:04:36.079 absolutely unrealistic way to live your life. But you know, having said that, 53 00:04:36.439 --> 00:04:41.439 I do think that it does go right back to what Driscoll did, 54 00:04:41.680 --> 00:04:44.759 you know, with him complaining and then of course getting shut down. It 55 00:04:44.879 --> 00:04:47.879 reminded me of what Helen mentioned, you know, with Rue Paul. You 56 00:04:47.879 --> 00:04:50.519 know, whatever you do, don't fuck it up. Well, that's pretty 57 00:04:50.600 --> 00:04:55.920 much Rod Driscoll did. Driscollol pretty much broke the rules right there off the 58 00:04:55.959 --> 00:05:00.560 top. And I just find it so odd that we're having Christians once again 59 00:05:00.680 --> 00:05:04.360 having a cat fight out in public between each other about who's more manly than 60 00:05:04.399 --> 00:05:09.439 the other man, and who did or didn't notice that the other guy's package 61 00:05:09.519 --> 00:05:15.079 was showing or not, and all these other completely nonsensical things, while they're 62 00:05:15.079 --> 00:05:19.759 ignoring the fact they're really they're fighting among themselves because they don't know how to 63 00:05:19.800 --> 00:05:25.519 be a real human, much less a man, whatever that means. So 64 00:05:25.680 --> 00:05:30.279 as it would be usually said by a person I'm very close to my wife. 65 00:05:30.600 --> 00:05:33.560 It all sounds like, you know, big dicks swinging their big dicks 66 00:05:33.560 --> 00:05:36.480 and not knowing that they've got a big dick that they're swinging around here. 67 00:05:38.120 --> 00:05:43.319 It all feels like a lot of insecure, inmature cold swallop here. I 68 00:05:43.319 --> 00:05:46.160 mean, this is just one of those things which just like, do you 69 00:05:46.360 --> 00:05:54.160 not do life in any way, shape or form? Do you struggle to, 70 00:05:54.279 --> 00:05:58.120 you know, find enjoyment in life? I mean, what next, 71 00:05:58.399 --> 00:06:02.920 you ban gymnastics because it might be a little bit homo erotic for you. 72 00:06:03.399 --> 00:06:06.800 I mean, for goodness sakes, this is just one of those things where 73 00:06:06.839 --> 00:06:12.399 I just go, oh, progress comes in small measures, and in some 74 00:06:12.480 --> 00:06:18.199 cases progress comes on the tip of the sword, but I mean just the 75 00:06:18.319 --> 00:06:24.639 tip. How you package this up? I can see that there's going to 76 00:06:24.680 --> 00:06:28.240 be a lot of you know, back and forth here, and it's going 77 00:06:28.279 --> 00:06:31.120 to get very confusing. But I mean I just wanted to, you know, 78 00:06:31.600 --> 00:06:35.360 just delve a little bit more. They tied themselves in not side with 79 00:06:35.399 --> 00:06:42.279 this. I mean at the actual conference, nobody gave two ships what was 80 00:06:42.360 --> 00:06:46.079 going on. Some bloke said something later and then they went, oh, 81 00:06:46.360 --> 00:06:50.240 oh, it's the Homer Simpson effect. If anyone has seen that episode of 82 00:06:50.279 --> 00:06:54.920 The Simpsons where he is the only person to complain about the movie and then 83 00:06:54.920 --> 00:06:59.480 they rewrite the whole movie for him, it's the Homer Simpson effect. It 84 00:06:59.519 --> 00:07:02.160 is. I think the funniest thing for me about this whole thing is the 85 00:07:02.800 --> 00:07:08.720 author of the article, Michael Brown, who is a host. He's the 86 00:07:08.839 --> 00:07:13.639 article is so I recommend reading it for a laugh. It's so funny because, 87 00:07:14.000 --> 00:07:16.600 yeah, he is the like a big driving force he claims to have. 88 00:07:16.759 --> 00:07:19.279 He went in to do his radio show and he claims the internet was 89 00:07:19.319 --> 00:07:25.000 blowing up because of this. He weren't the Internet that was blowing up, 90 00:07:25.040 --> 00:07:30.160 though something was blowing up. It was the front of trousers. No, 91 00:07:30.480 --> 00:07:35.920 but like you know, and he the number of times he refers to the 92 00:07:35.959 --> 00:07:41.279 performer as a former male stripper, always male stripper, and over and over 93 00:07:41.319 --> 00:07:45.000 again, and he describes the performance as carnal and then again. Yeah. 94 00:07:45.040 --> 00:07:47.519 We hear later in the article that you know, people who were there said 95 00:07:47.519 --> 00:07:53.000 that nobody thought it was sexual at all until Mark Driscoll got up and started 96 00:07:53.000 --> 00:07:57.839 complaining about it been to a magic show. Have none of these people been 97 00:07:57.879 --> 00:08:03.600 to the circus or the carnival complimentary ticket for magic mic. That would be 98 00:08:03.680 --> 00:08:09.279 so wonderful. Yes, if we've we will cover it on this SHP. 99 00:08:09.399 --> 00:08:13.519 You can facilitate that. That would be absolutely perfect. But yeah, it's 100 00:08:13.519 --> 00:08:18.959 it's just so like it's like, I mean, there's the there's the the 101 00:08:20.079 --> 00:08:24.240 actual rational sort of reaction to this is you know that the performer is a 102 00:08:24.279 --> 00:08:30.519 born again Christian. The basis of you know, Christianity is forgiveness and rebirth. 103 00:08:30.600 --> 00:08:37.240 So having somebody who used to do something sinful and again Michael something carnal 104 00:08:37.279 --> 00:08:43.080 and sinful. He literally describes this event and this performance as a sin against 105 00:08:43.159 --> 00:08:52.480 God. He's sting acrobatics that is shirt on swimming pool. It might might, 106 00:08:52.559 --> 00:08:56.799 you know, offend your senses. Go to a swimming pool. Don't 107 00:08:56.799 --> 00:09:03.080 tell them about nude beaches, but university campuses, oh my goodness, miss 108 00:09:05.080 --> 00:09:11.039 but realistic, like it is supposed to be the point of your christian something 109 00:09:11.080 --> 00:09:13.159 that's like celebrated. Is like, look at these people who used to do 110 00:09:13.240 --> 00:09:16.279 something sinful and now they've turned to God and we're giving them a moment to 111 00:09:16.320 --> 00:09:20.600 shine on the stage. And most people seem to take it that way. 112 00:09:20.960 --> 00:09:24.840 And then a couple of insecure guys, Mark Driscoll and then Michael I've got 113 00:09:24.840 --> 00:09:33.200 his name again, Michael Complaint. The complainant Michael Brown and Mark Dreschool both 114 00:09:33.399 --> 00:09:39.320 had some sort of and I'm not going to guess at anybody's sexuality or repression, 115 00:09:39.639 --> 00:09:43.000 but for some reason, they had some sort of instinctive reaction to this 116 00:09:43.080 --> 00:09:48.879 shirtless man that was way beyond anybody else's and that has created I think one 117 00:09:48.919 --> 00:09:52.399 of the funniest bits of writing I probably wond I will say, is I 118 00:09:52.480 --> 00:09:54.759 direct to think what they would have done if he was a fire breather. 119 00:10:00.879 --> 00:10:05.440 So, as the token mail on this panel in Fidel, do you think 120 00:10:05.480 --> 00:10:09.639 that these two men are a representation of what it is to be, you 121 00:10:09.679 --> 00:10:13.399 know, a secure, manly man that you know, knows what it's like 122 00:10:13.480 --> 00:10:16.039 to you gonna, you know, be secure in who they are? Do 123 00:10:16.120 --> 00:10:20.480 you do you agree with that? I have to harken back to something I 124 00:10:20.799 --> 00:10:22.840 brought up on a recent episode, Helen, I want to say you may 125 00:10:22.879 --> 00:10:28.200 have been on that episode where Jesse Lee Peterson and three other guys were talking 126 00:10:28.240 --> 00:10:35.120 about how the female orgasm whether it was actually a real thing, and Peterson 127 00:10:35.200 --> 00:10:37.840 made the comment that it's not natural. If if women have an orgasm, 128 00:10:37.919 --> 00:10:41.679 that's that's uh, that's that's them trying to be a man. And they 129 00:10:41.679 --> 00:10:46.440 went through this whole absolutely insane thing, and that's pretty much what I got 130 00:10:46.440 --> 00:10:50.879 the feeling of. They would fit right in with this, because all I 131 00:10:50.879 --> 00:10:54.360 could hear when I heard this is is okay, so you can't please anybody 132 00:10:54.440 --> 00:10:58.039 that That's literally all I heard when I heard these people saying this, And 133 00:10:58.080 --> 00:11:01.480 that's what I kind of think drissful and and I think that's what this is 134 00:11:01.519 --> 00:11:05.639 really catered for. It's not catered for manly men. They might want to 135 00:11:05.639 --> 00:11:09.360 perceive themselves that way, but the truth is what I see is just screaming 136 00:11:09.399 --> 00:11:13.840 insecurity. You know, I expect to roll out in the parking lot and 137 00:11:13.960 --> 00:11:16.120 see, you know, f nine fifties in the parking lot, forget it, 138 00:11:16.120 --> 00:11:20.559 eight three fifties. You know, I expect to see every symbolism of 139 00:11:20.600 --> 00:11:28.519 inadequacy out there in the park. Yes, maybe have a tattooed in your 140 00:11:28.519 --> 00:11:33.600 forehead, because I see them as being exactly the opposite. Because if you're 141 00:11:33.600 --> 00:11:39.320 comfortable with who you are, manly man, whatever term you want to self 142 00:11:39.320 --> 00:11:43.519 apply to yourself, then you don't need to constantly go around advertising eight I'm 143 00:11:43.519 --> 00:11:48.039 a manly man. Come on, you've already proven that that's what you're not 144 00:11:48.399 --> 00:11:56.360 once you started down that road. I mean, I'm comfortable in myself. 145 00:11:56.840 --> 00:12:01.080 Infidel sounds comfortable in theself. I think Helen is comfortable in themselves. But 146 00:12:01.200 --> 00:12:05.679 the only person I don't think is comfortable is the only person living in Britain. 147 00:12:05.960 --> 00:12:11.120 And would you say that they grew comfortable? Are you so? Having 148 00:12:11.159 --> 00:12:16.639 read this, do you think that there is a sense of comfort in the 149 00:12:16.759 --> 00:12:20.559 Christian Church or do you think it is you know, coldwarp and backa doos 150 00:12:20.720 --> 00:12:26.519 throughout. I think the fact that because we know, we've talked about the 151 00:12:26.559 --> 00:12:30.480 homophobia inherent in this right, we all know, and anyone who looks at 152 00:12:30.519 --> 00:12:35.399 this article or here's Mark Drescool's complaints or any of these supposed people who were 153 00:12:35.519 --> 00:12:37.840 like blowing the internet up with their complaints about it, we all know that 154 00:12:37.919 --> 00:12:43.000 it's because the unstated, unspoken thing is that there was a man with a 155 00:12:43.039 --> 00:12:46.080 shirt off in front of a big load of men who, if they had 156 00:12:46.080 --> 00:12:50.679 any feelings about it, would repress them. And it's like nobody is who's 157 00:12:50.759 --> 00:12:52.600 talking about it and is angry about it is willing to say what the actual 158 00:12:52.879 --> 00:12:58.080 problem is, which is that it might awaken some gay feelings in a man 159 00:12:58.159 --> 00:13:01.559 in the room. But it's like they can't say it, and the fact 160 00:13:01.600 --> 00:13:07.159 that they can't even like explain out it's just it's carnal. It's gross if 161 00:13:07.200 --> 00:13:09.080 you're not. If nobody in the room is gay, then it's not really 162 00:13:09.159 --> 00:13:13.720 carnal for a man to perform in front of others. It's the fact that 163 00:13:13.759 --> 00:13:18.799 they can't even say it shows just deep, deep insecurity, like infidels say. 164 00:13:18.840 --> 00:13:24.000 It's there's no comfort in here. It does make me feel better about 165 00:13:24.080 --> 00:13:30.440 being comfortable in myself because I don't have to I don't know my life. 166 00:13:30.559 --> 00:13:33.279 It may have taken a while to get me to be comfortable in here. 167 00:13:33.279 --> 00:13:37.840 But as my mother would say, if you talk about something so swearing is 168 00:13:37.879 --> 00:13:41.080 her favorite one. If you talk about it, discuss what those words are, 169 00:13:41.240 --> 00:13:45.840 they lose their power, they lose their you know, grip on people. 170 00:13:46.039 --> 00:13:48.519 And I think that that's what we're seeing here. We're seeing a great, 171 00:13:48.559 --> 00:13:54.759 big grip on people for the things that are happening that really shouldn't be 172 00:13:54.840 --> 00:13:58.559 happening. And I think that it's just one of those moments where you all 173 00:13:58.600 --> 00:14:03.080 go, hang on a second, what's actually going on here? And if 174 00:14:03.320 --> 00:14:07.759 you're repressing your feelings about this show, don't repress it anymore. Put them 175 00:14:07.799 --> 00:14:09.919 in the comments below.