1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,839 In the US, EV inventories are up three hundred percent from a year ago. 2 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:07,559 There's very poor demand for EV pickup trucks. The guys who have pickup 3 00:00:07,599 --> 00:00:11,199 trucks don't seem to be too interested. Ford Motor has announced that they're losing 4 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:15,480 between forty and sixty thousand on each EV sold. They're projecting a four and 5 00:00:15,519 --> 00:00:19,640 a half billion dollar loss this year from their EV business. Both Ford and 6 00:00:19,719 --> 00:00:24,399 GM have moved out their new models and we sort of I think we have 7 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:30,039 an early adopter phase that is over. You're listening to Carrie Letz's Financial Survival 8 00:00:30,079 --> 00:00:35,719 Network where you get valuable information you just can't find anywhere else to thrive in 9 00:00:35,759 --> 00:00:41,200 today's trying times. You need the Financial Survival Network now more than ever. 10 00:00:41,759 --> 00:00:47,479 Go to Financial Survivalnetwork dot com and get your free newsletter and gift. Financial 11 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:56,600 Survival Network now more than ever, and welcome. You are listening to and 12 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:00,320 watching the Financial Survival Network. Come your host. Carrie Let's say so. 13 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:06,760 The green economy, it's wonderful. Will just to all be living in this 14 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:12,040 pristine environment. The earth will be restored to its former grandeur and everyone will 15 00:01:12,079 --> 00:01:18,680 be happy. Right, well, not so fast, Yes, Environment very 16 00:01:18,719 --> 00:01:23,120 important. We're all we all believe in the same things clean water, clean 17 00:01:23,159 --> 00:01:27,239 air, and the good environment to raise your children and your family. And 18 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:32,719 it's just a question of how bad are things what do you need to do 19 00:01:32,799 --> 00:01:38,280 to get there? Steve Gorham, author of Green Breakdown The Coming Renewable Energy 20 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:42,640 Failure. You title might be a little bit late on the score at Steve, 21 00:01:44,359 --> 00:01:49,120 We're thrilled to have you on the show. Hey, so how bad 22 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:51,920 are things? Are things really getting worse? Are they getting better? In 23 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:55,439 the environment ary great to join you. Yeah, they're actually getting better. 24 00:01:55,519 --> 00:02:00,280 And my prediction of a green breakdown or first and net zero and actually jecting 25 00:02:00,319 --> 00:02:02,640 out about a decade, but it appears that that is closer. We have 26 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:06,840 a lot of things going on around the world that show that people are stepping 27 00:02:06,879 --> 00:02:12,039 back from that zero. But you're right, pollution is we've made great strides. 28 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:15,120 One of the great untold stories in the United States is how much better 29 00:02:15,199 --> 00:02:19,159 the air is than it was thirty forty years ago. I remember in the 30 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:24,560 nineteen sixties driving near Chicago, south of Gary and having our windshield coated with 31 00:02:24,599 --> 00:02:28,439 something coming from the steel mills. We had to pull over and wash the 32 00:02:28,479 --> 00:02:31,719 windshield off. My grandfather had a coal for us in his basement in the 33 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:38,319 nineteen fifties, and after it snowed in Chicago for about four or five days, 34 00:02:38,319 --> 00:02:40,919 there would be black dust on all of the snow you could see from 35 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:46,599 the coal. And young folks that listen don't know what spring cleaning was for. 36 00:02:46,439 --> 00:02:51,719 Literally, in the nineteen fifties, people would every spring washed down all 37 00:02:51,759 --> 00:02:54,759 the walls on the inside of their house to remove the coal dust that was 38 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:58,879 uncleaning. But we don't have to do that anymore. Our air is very, 39 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:01,800 very much clearer. Yeah, that is a fact. And I remember 40 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:07,280 driving into New York City from New Jersey where I grew up and seeing this 41 00:03:07,439 --> 00:03:14,039 huge yellow cloud hovering over Manhattan and that was all the coal fired power plants. 42 00:03:14,719 --> 00:03:19,639 But look like without the government pushing businesses industry, do you think things 43 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:23,080 would have improved anyway? I think as a commodation the government helped. And 44 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:29,759 we had many states. In nineteen fifty there there were no statewide laws for 45 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:34,159 pollution, but by nineteen sixty they just about all had them. And then 46 00:03:34,159 --> 00:03:38,199 the clean erect came in I think sixty nine or so. But the problem 47 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:40,919 is the world has gotten off track. Where we used to reduce a real 48 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:45,599 pollution, and we've done a great job. APA numbers show our air pollutants, 49 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:50,240 the six major pollutants are down about eighty percent since nineteen eighty, probably 50 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:53,400 much much more since the fifties. What comes out of the tailpuppy or car. 51 00:03:53,719 --> 00:04:00,360 The volatile organic compounds are down ninety eight percent since nineteen seventy. But 52 00:04:00,439 --> 00:04:03,680 now we're chasing this idea that carbon dioxide is a pollutant. We've really gotten 53 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:09,919 off track. Carbon dioxide is an odorless, harmless, invisible gas. It 54 00:04:09,919 --> 00:04:14,039 doesn't cause smoke or smog. We burn sugars in our body and every day 55 00:04:14,039 --> 00:04:19,600 we exhale about two pounds of carbon dioxide each person, and it makes the 56 00:04:19,639 --> 00:04:24,480 plants grow. It's you know, I like to ask when I'm speaking to 57 00:04:24,519 --> 00:04:30,639 audiences, what do cannabis growers know that the EPA apparently doesn't know? And 58 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:33,319 the answer is that CO two is green. Every marijuana grower with his or 59 00:04:33,319 --> 00:04:38,920 her salt is literally pumping carbon dioxide into the greenhouse to make the crops grow 60 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:41,600 bigger and fast. Oh, we've got to stop them. They got to 61 00:04:41,639 --> 00:04:46,079 be stopped here. We've got a lot on track. We need to continue 62 00:04:46,079 --> 00:04:50,240 to reduce real pollution. But this war on carbon dioxide and this plant for 63 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:55,160 zero by twenty fifty really is not the proper way to go, all right, 64 00:04:55,319 --> 00:05:00,319 So what is happening in the marketplace? Besides Tesla? There is isn't 65 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:04,560 an auto company on the planet that can make money on evs. Maybe a 66 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:10,759 couple of Chinese ones, but they're using slave labor and fourth League all that 67 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:15,639 a byd Yeah, the electric vehicle market has hit a speed momp, if 68 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:18,319 you will. In the US, EV inventories are up three hundred percent from 69 00:05:18,319 --> 00:05:23,120 a year ago. There's very poor demand for EV pickup trucks. The guys 70 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:26,519 who have pickup trucks don't seem to be too interested. Ford Motor has announced 71 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:30,240 that they're losing between forty and sixty thousand on each EV sold. They're projecting 72 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:33,959 a four and a half billion dollar loss this year from their EV business. 73 00:05:34,079 --> 00:05:39,839 Both Ford and GM have moved out their new models, and we sort of 74 00:05:39,879 --> 00:05:43,680 I think we have an early adopter phase that is over. Many of the 75 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:46,600 folks that wanted to cool Tesla's and wanted EV's for a second car have purchased 76 00:05:46,639 --> 00:05:49,839 them. Now we have people that are driving long distances, or they're in 77 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:55,360 cold climates and the batteries don't charge well, or they're in apartments and there's 78 00:05:55,399 --> 00:05:59,839 no way to charge r EV except across the public walkway. So you know, 79 00:05:59,879 --> 00:06:02,079 it's slowing down a little bit. All right, I'm going to propose 80 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:05,839 a reason for this to you, okay, and you're free to agree or 81 00:06:05,879 --> 00:06:11,040 disagree. In the case to the Tesla, all right, their demand really 82 00:06:11,079 --> 00:06:14,399 isn't slowing down. They're going to sell one point eight million cars this year. 83 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:18,639 Yeah, o case, the driving experience and the product that they produce 84 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:26,639 is superior to all of the ice vehicles out there, with certain exceptions like 85 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:31,160 if you live in a condo or an apartment, charging can wind up costing 86 00:06:31,199 --> 00:06:34,079 you more than gasoline. But if you live at a home and you can 87 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:40,519 charge it yourself, it's great. Yeah. And I would avert that GM 88 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:48,519 and Ford's products, and even Horsia and Audi their products are inferior to the 89 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:54,959 ice cars that are being produced by themselves, and that is why the market's 90 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:59,000 not catching on to their products. Yeah. I mean, I think what 91 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:01,759 you say is true to really is a great job. There's there's just kind 92 00:07:01,759 --> 00:07:06,079 of a mounting series of things that make it difficult for some owners. Another 93 00:07:06,079 --> 00:07:10,759 one is insurance. I think in the US the price of insurance for an 94 00:07:10,759 --> 00:07:15,800 EV is about up seventy two percent versus a gasoline car. Yeah. In 95 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:19,360 Accent Island, in an accident in my Tesla, it was gone a month 96 00:07:19,399 --> 00:07:26,279 and a half and a simple accident that really on a regular car would be 97 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:30,839 maybe six seven thousand dollars was twenty thousand. Oh my gosh, totally Yeah. 98 00:07:30,839 --> 00:07:34,000 In England now there are a lot of it's hard to get insurance in 99 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:38,759 England for an EV. There's a lot of articles. People are calling around 100 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:43,000 all over and the price is about five thousand pounds for a year for an 101 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:47,480 EV insurance. So there are just noes. And again I'm not against evs. 102 00:07:47,879 --> 00:07:50,279 I think, you know, we have people that have a choice. 103 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:55,839 But this idea that the federal government has going to force everybody to buy under 104 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:59,279 the state of California and we're going to stop the oceans from rising if we 105 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:01,519 do that, that's where we've really gotten off base. Hey, you know, 106 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:07,959 I've said this so many times. There's never been an energy transition that 107 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:13,560 was mandated and facilitated by the government. You know, the market always did 108 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:18,199 it before we had any vehicles. Some guy came along and invented the wheel 109 00:08:18,279 --> 00:08:22,639 well, or he discovered that you could put a saddle on a horse. 110 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:26,639 You know, the government wasn't there saying, you know, you need to 111 00:08:26,639 --> 00:08:31,160 get stop walking and start riding. And then you know, we had brown 112 00:08:31,319 --> 00:08:35,960 energy from horses for a few hundred years, maybe a thousand years, and 113 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:41,120 then we had the internal combustion engine come about, and the government was not 114 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:46,600 there saying, hey, give us your horses and we'll give you a free 115 00:08:46,039 --> 00:08:52,320 car. You know, the market figured this stuff out, and that's what 116 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:56,519 that's why this is such a fool's Errand Steve in my opinion is the market 117 00:08:56,559 --> 00:09:03,440 wants a new power transition and the market will dictate it. The market will 118 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:07,759 mandate it, it'll demand it, and anyone who doesn't comply will go out 119 00:09:07,799 --> 00:09:11,679 of business, right they will. And we have some serious issues coming about 120 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:15,480 if we could switch to a winds and wind in solar form. Most of 121 00:09:15,919 --> 00:09:18,240 any states, not most of the Midwest or the South, but the east 122 00:09:18,279 --> 00:09:24,200 and west coast are are trying to switch to wind in solar and use as 123 00:09:24,279 --> 00:09:26,919 much wind and solar and get rid of coal, natural gas and even nuclear 124 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:33,360 and we have some serious problems developed. I listen to this quote from Mark 125 00:09:33,519 --> 00:09:37,639 Christi. He's a federal Energy regulatory commissioner. He testified in June in front 126 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:43,080 something he might know something. He said, I think we're headed for very 127 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:50,519 dire consequences, potentially catastrophic consequences in the United States in terms of the reliability 128 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:54,360 of our grid. And he went on to say that we're closing the things 129 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:58,399 that are keeping the lights on too fast. And indeed, if you look 130 00:09:58,399 --> 00:10:01,960 at if you look at data from the u US Energy Departments, they track 131 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:09,759 outages for electricity users, and back twenty thirteen twenty fourteen, the average outage 132 00:10:09,879 --> 00:10:13,519 hours of outage was about three and a half per year. Now it's up 133 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:16,639 to about seven or eight per year in the United States, and it's going 134 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:20,919 to go much much higher. And we've had big problems in Texas and Oklahoma 135 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:28,279 and California. We had the blackout in February twenty twenty one. Power was 136 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:31,440 off for seventy two hours to four and a half million people, and we 137 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:35,919 had somewhere between two hundred and fifty and seven hundred people die. That's bigger 138 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:41,120 than a big hurricane and this. Texas is doing better. They didn't have 139 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:48,919 blackouts this summer, but they actually issued ten electricity shortage warnings Seth, don't 140 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:50,759 plug in your electric car, don't run your air conditioner, that was it, 141 00:10:50,799 --> 00:10:56,200 don't put the coffee maker on. So we have some real problems coming 142 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:58,519 and I'm afraid people are going to have to learn the hard way on this. 143 00:11:00,279 --> 00:11:03,200 And so we're going to have this as part of the coming break green 144 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:07,320 breakdown. We're going to have people going back to sensible, reliable, low 145 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:13,360 cost energy. Steve, this is an absolute unmitigated disaster that's coming down the 146 00:11:13,399 --> 00:11:20,279 pike. Look, I do believe that microgrids really have an application because it 147 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:30,799 will stabilize grids and enable that the alternative energy to be stored and used when 148 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:35,200 needed. I mean, there's definitely a major, major advance. I think 149 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:39,720 a lot of it's being pushed now by tax credits, but there's no question 150 00:11:39,759 --> 00:11:46,519 the microgrid stabilizes unstable grids when you have enough of them well, and might 151 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:52,159 even eliminate the need for peaker plants. You know, plants that come on 152 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:58,720 during peak period, peak periods of demand. But you can't, you absolutely 153 00:11:58,799 --> 00:12:05,080 can't not based the future of your grid on this. Yeah, I think 154 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:09,240 we're talking about I think you're talking about grid scale batteries which are being put 155 00:12:09,279 --> 00:12:11,759 in a number of places. Yeah, and those two back up wind and 156 00:12:11,799 --> 00:12:15,440 solar. The problem, there's a couple of problems. One is it so 157 00:12:15,519 --> 00:12:18,600 far is very very small. Again, I talked to audiences about this and 158 00:12:18,639 --> 00:12:22,120 ask them a question, how much more electricity is stored by batteries in the 159 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:26,720 US. It's nothing, And the answer turns out it's it's two watt hours 160 00:12:26,759 --> 00:12:31,600 in every million watt hours. I mean, it's it's basically insignificant at this 161 00:12:31,759 --> 00:12:35,039 point, and even if you double, triple, quadruple it, it's going 162 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:41,879 to be almost almost not not useful. It would have to be a very 163 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:46,600 very big amount. The other things is batteries tend to be expensive. A 164 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:50,600 good rule of thumb is if you want to back up a wind system for 165 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:54,679 a day with batteries, you need to spend about five times as much on 166 00:12:54,799 --> 00:13:00,480 batteries as the wind system itself. And then the batteries die in. They 167 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:03,440 have half the lifetime of the wind. They die in ten or twelve years. 168 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:07,279 So right now you're talking about ten times the cost of the wind system. 169 00:13:07,279 --> 00:13:11,559 Itself to back up for a day. Now, batteries are going to 170 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:15,240 come down in price and they may get better, but we're still a long 171 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:18,879 long way away from that solution. That's a given, and there's enough incentives 172 00:13:18,879 --> 00:13:24,600 in the market. The government doesn't need to be giving away truckloads of money 173 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:28,960 here. What about the way they're subsidizing the purchase seventy five hundred dollars towards 174 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:33,440 an EV And these are wealthier people, more well off people who could afward 175 00:13:33,879 --> 00:13:39,000 the vehicle without the subsidy. It's just giving money away getting absolutely nothing in 176 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:43,600 return for it. It's a wealth transfer to the rich, really, and 177 00:13:43,799 --> 00:13:46,919 the amount of money is huge. Back in the Biden administration about two I'm 178 00:13:46,919 --> 00:13:52,399 sorry, in the Obama administration about twenty fifteen, we were subsidizing wind and 179 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:58,480 solar and other renewables about fifteen billion a year. That went down to about 180 00:13:58,639 --> 00:14:03,399 eight billion a year on Trump. But now with the Inflation Reduction Act and 181 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:07,399 President Biden is going up to forty fifty billion dollars a year. It's just 182 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:11,039 huge. And we had crazy things going on. There's a war going on 183 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:15,679 in Iowa, South Dakota, and North Dakota right now. Over carbon dioxide 184 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:20,200 pipelines. They want to capture these from ethanol plants, put them through pipelines 185 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:24,440 to North Dakota, store the carbon dioxide underground, and so the farmers are 186 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:28,919 battling these pipeline companies. But nobody would be doing this without the subsidy. 187 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:31,639 If the subsidy wasn't there, it just nobody would do it. It doesn't 188 00:14:31,679 --> 00:14:35,440 make any sense. We have plenty of carbon dioxide for soft drinks and beer. 189 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:39,639 We don't need to be capturing it. It's all based on the theorem 190 00:14:39,679 --> 00:14:43,159 and the share of man made warming and these huge subsidies. Hey wait, 191 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:50,159 we have a I heard we have a shortage of carbon dioxide. Is that 192 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:52,159 true? Well, it depends on the way you look at it. Yeah. 193 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:56,480 Actually, we have about four hundred parts per billion in the atmosphere right 194 00:14:56,519 --> 00:15:00,759 now, about four of every ten thousand molecules in the appmos here is pretty 195 00:15:00,759 --> 00:15:05,360 small, but many scientists point out that it was much much higher in Earth's 196 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:11,080 distant pass the three thousand or four thousand parts per billion eight or ten times 197 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:16,480 as much. And by the way, those happened during ice ages, which 198 00:15:16,559 --> 00:15:20,360 is evidence that having high levels of carbon dioxide doesn't cause a lot of warming, 199 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:28,039 so it is low compared to past situations, but it has risen about 200 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:33,279 thirty percent since the nineteen fifties. Right, Okay, So what's it going 201 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:37,879 to take for these policy makers to come to their senses or do we just 202 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:39,879 forget it? Well, we're going to have four things happen with a green 203 00:15:39,919 --> 00:15:45,399 breakdown. First, we're going to higher energy prices, especially electricity. California 204 00:15:45,399 --> 00:15:48,080 in the last three years has passed up all the New England states and is 205 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:52,919 now second highest in the nation behind Hawaii, yce, as high as any 206 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:56,159 of the Western state for electricity. We're going to have electricity blackouts, which 207 00:15:56,159 --> 00:16:00,279 we've talked about. We're going to have less freedom because they're try kind to 208 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:04,480 ban gasoline vehicles and gas stoves. And we're going to have transnational energy shocks 209 00:16:04,639 --> 00:16:07,519 like they've had in Europe over the last two years, where the price of 210 00:16:07,559 --> 00:16:11,720 electricity more than triple than the price of natural gas was up two and a 211 00:16:11,759 --> 00:16:15,600 half times. And they are really hurting over there in England. They don't 212 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:18,440 want to turn on their robbins and they don't want to turn on their furnaces. 213 00:16:18,679 --> 00:16:21,879 The price are just way too high. So this is what is going 214 00:16:21,919 --> 00:16:25,600 to come from green energy these four things, and people are going to push 215 00:16:25,639 --> 00:16:27,440 back. It's going to break down, and we're going to demand a return 216 00:16:27,519 --> 00:16:33,000 to low cost, reliable energy. Hey, you know they keep talking about 217 00:16:33,039 --> 00:16:37,279 sustainability. To my way of thinking, Steve, the most sustainable form of 218 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:42,320 energy ever ever found was petroleum. Well it is. There is a real 219 00:16:42,399 --> 00:16:47,399 pollution we still need to reduce, don't get me wrong. For example, 220 00:16:48,039 --> 00:16:51,320 eighty percent of the world's wastewater is discharged in the rivers, lakes, and 221 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:53,799 streams untreated. Not in the US, not in Europe. But if you 222 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:57,120 remember about seven years ago, the swimmers in the Olympics down in Brazil didn't 223 00:16:57,120 --> 00:17:02,480 want to swim the water. Another issue in Brazil is just building their first 224 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:06,240 water treatment plants. Another one is plastic in the oceans, which is an 225 00:17:06,279 --> 00:17:10,599 overstated thing somewhat. We have about one hundred million tons of plastic in the 226 00:17:10,599 --> 00:17:15,519 oceans. We're adding about ten million a year. We need biodegradable plastics. 227 00:17:15,279 --> 00:17:19,160 So problems to solve, Well, it tends to be more expensive. They've 228 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:22,799 got some of it, but it's more expensive. By the way, banning 229 00:17:22,799 --> 00:17:30,440 straws in Los Angeles isn't really going to do anything. So so there these 230 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:33,440 are real problems we need to say, we need to solve, but let's 231 00:17:33,519 --> 00:17:36,799 quit this attack and carbon dioxide. By the way, another thing is there's 232 00:17:36,799 --> 00:17:41,359 still seven hundred million people across the world that don't have electricity. There are 233 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:45,240 hundreds of hospitals that are trying to run without electricity, hookup two billion people. 234 00:17:45,279 --> 00:17:49,960 An additional two billion get blackouts every day. So these people need low 235 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:55,119 cost electricity. Though. That's another big problem to solve. Let's quit trying 236 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:59,640 and give rid of CO two. Yeah, and you know, like I 237 00:17:59,759 --> 00:18:02,240 like soa man, if we get rid of CO two, I'm gonna have 238 00:18:02,319 --> 00:18:04,440 to drink a flat soda. That doesn't seem right to me. Yeah, 239 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:07,359 it's totally wrong. Steve, Hey, where do we find you? How 240 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:11,200 do we connect with you? How do we get your book? Yeah, 241 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:15,079 Green Breakdown. So it's available on Amazon. They're also ebooks on Apple and 242 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:18,000 Google and Bares and Noble, or they can go to my website Steve gorm 243 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:22,039 g O R E H A M dot com and I'll send them a signed 244 00:18:22,079 --> 00:18:26,200 copy. Excellent, all right, appreciate that. If you've got a question 245 00:18:26,279 --> 00:18:30,319 for us, Steve myself email address kl at Carrie LUTs dot com and the 246 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:34,559 link to steve site is in the show notes of this interview on Financial Survival 247 00:18:34,599 --> 00:18:37,799 Network dot com. Click it take you right to it. You can get 248 00:18:37,799 --> 00:18:41,240 his books all of that good stuff. While you're at the site, Please 249 00:18:41,279 --> 00:18:45,880 sign up for your free newsletter, Steve, We'll talk to you again. 250 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:48,200 Thank you so much for stopping by. Thank you, Kerry, thanks for 251 00:18:48,279 --> 00:18:55,640 listening to Carrie Letz's Financial Survival Network, your solution to today's trying times. 252 00:18:55,880 --> 00:19:02,400 For the latest, go to Financial Survivalnetwork dot com. Financial Survival Network now 253 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:03,240 more than ever,