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Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and
welcome back to the plan of the Apes

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Retrospective. There you go. I
am the clown Prince of nose t House

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Still. I'm joined by I'm the
Governor Cooklaan Patsa. That's a good governor

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voice. I am the loggiver Tatorfield. Yes, we are here for the

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fifth episode of the Planet Apes Retrospective, marching up to what the hell's the

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new one of the Apes Kingdom of
the Planet Apes. Of course, how

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could you forget? And this is
the last of the original series. As

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we said before, we're not doing
the TV show. I've heard that the

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TV show comes out for this,
so I think I'm going to inquire and

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watch it, but we are not
doing that. After this will be going

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into Tim Burns Plant Apes, which
I cannot wait for that that is gonna

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be a fucking fiery one because that's
law choices made in that movie from top

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to bottom good bad, mostly bad. But I can't wait talk about it,

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So we thank you very much.
So, mister Fields, I'm gonna

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start with you battle. Actually I'm
not gonna start with you, mister Patser.

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You know, honestly, last movie
we had a very controversial ending where

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the Apes come back, they take
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until the studio said, now,
let's not kill everybody. We gotta make

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a sequel. So they's be like, ah, maybe we can find a

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way and here we are. This
is them finding a way to work with

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apes and humans in Unison. Did
you think that they achieved that? And

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did they achieve making a good movie? Here? For the for the last

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of this, uh this continuity time
travel and stuff off, So you could

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still you know, you could still
say the new anti Circus movies happened before

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this. There is a way to
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and seventies, this is the last
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a chapter at least. Or yeah, like just the fact that this is

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like the last one in the seventies, Like this is the fifth movie that

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we've done now, and what is
that? Like a five year range like

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that? That's pretty crazy. For
sixty eight, was that the first one?

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Oh are you saying they came out? Yeah, sixty eight. Didn't

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this come out in seventy seven or
something or seventy three? I'm looking to

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really, Yeah, that blows my
mind because I thought, like the last

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one is seventy two, Battle for
the Plan the Apes seventy three. Yeah,

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so they really just they just pumped
them out like a year after year.

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That's crazy to me. And you
said plant the eas was sixty eight.

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I thought it was sixty eight.
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sixty six. No, it's sixty
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did pump those out by movies five
years. That's that's unheard of that they

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saw this and the MC was like, we gotta do that plan the apes.

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Yeah. Absolutely, And I mean
it's been it's been a fun ride

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going through these again. This one. This one, like the last one,

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there was actually quite a lot of
scenes that I did remember. I

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think the moving pieces of the plot
I didn't really remember, just because I

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probably didn't know what was going on
as a wee young lad. But just

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certain imagery. I feel like anytime
like gorillas are on screen, I'm like,

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I just remember them so vividly,
Like their outfits are very iconic,

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just maybe the way that I don't
love the way they look in their masks.

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I think they maybe look the worst
out of all the the monkey men.

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So whatever it might be, I
I just that imagery really sticks sticks

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to me. And there's certain scenes
in here that I do remember, maybe

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particularly about guns and gorillas want for
guns, and it just was very funny.

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I think to watch this time around, but overall, like, I

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actually like this one more than I
was expecting to. I think because of

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how the last movie ended. I
it just it was all over the place,

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and knowing like the behind the scenes
things, how they had a direction,

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and then the studio of course thought
it was too too crazy, so

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they nerfed it a bit. Never
like hearing that I always want to just

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just stick to no matter how crazy
the plot might be. Just that maybe

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that original idea of at least at
least like not so much in the sense

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of like reworking a script to make
it work better before it's being made,

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but like the fact that this was
made and they and they did film that

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ending. I'm going off about the
last movie now, so I gotta talk

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about Battle for the Punt of the
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having apes, like being the majority
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these humans. It's almost like a
flipping maybe of the last movie, just

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not as like tyrannical. It's funny, how what was it Escape was kind

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of that for the first movie.
It was like that dynamic. So whenever

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we get like an opportunity to kind
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and just look at it that way. I think it is fun. So

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that already had like some bonus marks, and I think the overall like the

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overall threat maybe was a little bit
laxa daisical in my mind. Didn't love

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the whole like mutant threat, Like, I guess it's a way to have

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like a force of humans. I
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motivation was and just how there are
these mutants figured people barely malformed. It

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is just such a terrible thing.
Back then it scared the hell Caesar's child

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in this. Yeah, so like
for me that was pretty weak. But

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just the actual dynamic of having our
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together and kind of what pits them
on the same side, it's it's a

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little bit different than what the other
movies were. So I did like it

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in that sense. But yeah,
so I think there was a long witted

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way of saying that. I just
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more than I was expecting. Uh
still didn't blow me away, And I

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think there was definitely better ways to
tell the same story. And who knows,

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maybe like the Circus remakes kind of
have that. Who knows. I've

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only seen the one, all right, you've only seen one. Yeah,

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I don't think we recover that territory. Maybe in the if we get some

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sequels to Kingdom and stuff, we
can get back to there. But yeah,

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first so I do remember this.
As we said before, I've seen

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these all, watch the many times, I feel like this is the one

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out of all the OG five I've
seen the least. I actually feel like

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this is one I've probably seen the
least in general, to be honest,

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because I don't think it's a bad
movie. I just don't. I think

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it's a case where because they're making
these movies and their lower budget, this

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is definitely one where I feel like
you could have gone longer. We've said

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that before, where it's like,
oh this is this works at this length

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of this one. It's only an
hour twenty six and the first seven and

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a half minutes are purely a recap
of the first film, So it's really

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just like so it's pretty much just
like an hour twenty you know, under

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an hour ten credit. So really
it's about hour fifteen, hour ten,

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you know. So it's not a
long movie. It's a lot put together

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it is something that that's why this
inspired me, because I want to watch

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the TV show, and I don't
know what the TV show is about.

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I'm not sure if it's similar to
this, but as like almost like how

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I felt with Conquest, Like there's
lots of things you could dive into being

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longer here. So I think there's
just a lot going on with Caesar wanting

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to touch roots with his old self. You have the humans mutate want to

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get war. You have the apes
dealing with humans. You have the apes

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dealing with itself, apes not killing
apes. You have the stuff with his

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son. There's a lot going on
for like an hour ten movie, and

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I don't think any of it's like
bad per se. I just think some

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of it gets a little muddled because
there's so much going on, there's never

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a clear route. It feels like
a finale of a show that maybe you're

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missing some of the episodes. But
I still think it's good. I think

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it's just that maybe this is the
most underwhelming one of the ones I like.

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I would not I'm not gonna fail
this movie. I still like this

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movie. None of them are bad
except for two. Two is a whole

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different level and they all have things
to say, but I think almost like

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what you said Krooking, where I
feel like this is like the right place

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to end it too, because at
the end of it, it just it

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feels like the only stuff that we
would have wanted more of was the stories

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in within this movie. It doesn't
feel like there's more to do, and

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that was the good thing I think
with each movie, honestly, even though

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the second one had like the nukes
and stuff, so you think all the

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whole planet's gone. But other than
the second and the first, i'd say

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from three in all it always feels
like it's a concluded story, but there's

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definitely more to it, much like
a Harry Potter movie, where it's okay,

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this story, this chapter's done,
but there's some loose ends that we

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could circle back to. Where this
does feel like a definitive like this to

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me for a franchise ender, and
I don't think they meant it to be

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that way. If they did,
great, but if not, to me,

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this feels like an actual good ending
because we have so many franchises that

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I either have a shit movie or
they just had no ending at all,

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right, they just stopped making them. That was it. This feels like

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it's like a full circle of Taylor
and Caesar and Cornelius and Zero, like

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it all goes together. And it's
funny because I had in the trivia but

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we talked about in the second film
at one point they were talking about the

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ending was going to be Charlton Heston
Winova and it was gonna be a bunch

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of Apes and kids all living together, and it's like, we got back

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there. We got to that moment. So I think overall this and I

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think there's some we'll get into.
There's some dark stuff. The Apes movies

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do not shy away from being dark, you know, Like what happens to

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Caesar and a son, It's like, fuck man, Like that's dark stuff.

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The whole people won't kill Ape.
There's also some I think unintentional comedy

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in here throughout that I had a
good time with. So there's aspects in

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here I really like. I don't
think it hits the nail on the head,

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but I think it is a good
ending for the franchise, and I

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think, yeah, it is one
that ranks lower for me, but I

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still enjoy it. And it's also
just like, you know, you made

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that joke. I can't remember if
it was off here or on air,

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but about Roddy McDow, it's just
like there is something like if he's there,

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it's just it's almost always. It
reminds me of like the first few

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movies of Jack Sparrow and Jack and
Johnny deppup, just like you just love

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him doing this role. That's how
I will with Roddy, you know,

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anytime he's in an eight makeup like, oh, we're gonna gt a banger

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performance here, because he always brings
it, you know, like he did

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not follow. This is his fourth
time playing Caesar slash Cornelis, which are

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pretty much just the same character,
and he still brings it. So Yeah,

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Like the movie maybe not one of
the better ones, but I still

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enjoyed it quite a bit for some
aspects, and of course there's some there's

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some low tier stuff which we'll talk
about. But mister Field, your thoughts

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on Battle for the Plan of the
Apes. Yeah, I remember a long

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long time ago when I was first
going through these movies and eventually got to

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this one. I was little,
so I didn't really latch onto this one

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as much. I feel like the
messaging and the overall theme is something that

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watching it when I got older,
it definitely sticks a lot more, and

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watching it this time around, I've
definitely, I definitely would put it more

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on like a higher spot. And
I'm glad that I am in a position

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now where I can really after talking
about all these songs with you guys and

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really analyzing this one and looking at
how it fits in with the story.

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It's neat to see that there's so
much reference in this film and just I

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don't even want to say not foreshadow, but alluding to and concern that the

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characters have for the future and what's
going to happen. I think it has

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a good kind of nod towards just
what happens with Beneath the Planet of the

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Apes, not that movie, but
the but even I think it has.

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It's interesting because I feel like this
movie it serves as that filler but in

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the events that proceed that first plan
of the Apes with Taylor arriving on Earth.

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But at the same time, I
can't wait to get into it because

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I've I've written some notes down on
how I've kind of interpreted this and how

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it's changed the the top like changed
its time, and it's not going to

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really lead into where we got with
Taylor, unless, of course, this

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is what happened and still history changed, time changed, because this is still

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still probably I think like a thousand
year well six hundred yeah it was twenty

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years, twenty six something, so
like six hundred plus years and then yeah,

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exactly, Yeah, there's still there's
yeah, there's still time for things

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to turn to ship. But I
feel like this is this is serves as

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that turning point which we'll talk about
later where it won't lead into that planet

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of the Apes for me, and
that kind of is like ancient history now.

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So yeah, no, I just
think that this is a fun it's

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a fun movie at times with how
they're tackling certain things, but I guess

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very dark and it gets very crazy. It's like holy shit, like they're

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not holding back in certain regards.
It does feel fast and convoluted. Like

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you said, Travis, there are
lots of different things are trying to add

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into this short timeframe, which is
unfortunate. But all in all, I

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like how it's it's told from a
like the past sort of sense, with

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Loggiver kind of giving us the rundown
on things. I really like that,

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and I do appreciate getting to see
more of how Ape City is kind of

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unfolding and how we have the laws
and the different characters that are heads of

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different areas of this community and and
whatnot. So yeah, overall, I

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think it's it's something I'm going to
revisit again for sure, And I probably

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would revisit this one first over some
of the other ones. I like with

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the Gunsmith when you know which on
to the end here, but it's just

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like, oh, one day soon
you'll be able to give it up.

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They just do that transition to he's
like a young eight to like a really

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old abe. You know, good
stuff. But we should start there at

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the end because I feel like,
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rise of the Plan. The Apes
is a prequel to the Originals, and

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that's gonna link it with Taylor and
he's gonna land and all the stuff's gonna

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happen, because I've always said that
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that would throw off the like,
oh why are they gonna send Taylor to

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like they would kind of know.
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is the change. And then to
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don't know what their intentions were.
I feel like at some point when we

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talked about the ending last week,
I feel like their intentions were that they

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were going to do the loop of
zero and cornelis Land their child, that

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Caesar rise up and starts this thing. But then with four it was the

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hole. They kind of pulled that
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were on the path. I think
the writers have changed otherse films, but

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I feel like they were on the
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in a sense. But then I
think with this film that does kind of

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to me officially change it because I
just feel like at no points where the

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apes I guess all takes a Caesar
or die and then what a couple of

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decades later, some people say,
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I just feel like them showing the
humans and the apes altogether, I just

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feel like I just don't know if
they would have gone past like okay and

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then back to them being slaves and
stuff like anything can happen. But I

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feel that that was a pivot and
that was a shift. So I feel

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like that's where it is in my
rankings. Yeah, So for me,

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it's like the hardest the hardest,
I guess, way too, like the

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hardest for me to digest. Like
the connection between these humans and the humans

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of the first movie is just like
the intelligence, Like it's almost as if

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they evolve in the and I know
it's been like, what over a thousand

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years yet to get to that point, but it just seems like they're in

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early evolution stage in that movie versus
yes case like here, and they're just

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so fearful of what humans could become, whereas like it is kind of shown

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that way in the first movie,
but it's mostly just out of control,

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like the hierarchy doesn't want people to
even know about a possibility of fearing them

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because they're just animals in that sense. So yeah, I'm with you.

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I think that looking at Rise as
the like the true prequel, I think

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that's a nice way to look at
it. And this is just I don't

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know, alternate timeline. They even
talk about that in this movie. It's

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like man like back in nineteen seventy
was it three, they're they're explaining the

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multiverse better than himcu did WHOA,
Yeah, I think now I think we've

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gone so muddled. But yeah,
they even say that, right, like

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oh, there's so many variations that
can happen. This could just be one

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of them. Who is played.
Speaking of MCU, did you notice the

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actor in this? He looked familiar
and then nan, he's doctor Zola from

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Captain Omar. Okay, I did, I like thought that, but I'm

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like, there's no way that that's
that's Virgil. That's doctor Zola nineteen seventy

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three. Oh shit, yeah,
I think he's I love Virgil. He's

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awesome a this. I think that
is when he's a younger chappy. I

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think he goes hard for it so
you can see what like an actor he's

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going to be and stuff. But
yeah, yeah, he's got the iconic

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cover too, for the the mug
and mugshot Man, that mugshot that used

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to scare the hell out of me
as a kid. Just seeing like the

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box set with that face on it, it just always looks like you're staring

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at me. The friendly just a
piggyback on when you guys are talking about

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I guess with the humans where this
kind of changes. So we've good enough

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now the humans that we saw here
the bad humans, and just kind of

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bear with me because it is a
long thought that I had, so the

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bad humans are mutated everything like that. I'm assuming that those are the advanced

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ones that we would eventually see beneath
plat of the apes. Oh god,

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I think if they wouldn't want to
think about it, Yeah, if they

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wouldn't further than they would did exactly. So here here's where things kind of

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get interesting, at least how I
interpret it. So we'll say that those

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are the same same ones after a
centuries pass. But the change here is

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that since Cornelius, since Zero arrived, it prompted Caesar to go out and

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look for data on his parents.
Right, So if you don't have Cornelius

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and Zero arrive, the apes don't
go into the Forbidden City, and then

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the mutants don't come get drawn out
and then open conflict, the mutants get

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killed, YadA, YadA, YadA. In this case, though in this

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timeline, they do go there,
so the mutants get drawn out, battle

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happens, mutants get killed, and
so now that eliminates those mutants building a

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nuke in the future. Right,
that's just one thing. You also have

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Caesar looking at these tapes and realizing
that it's the gorillas war. Here's his

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parents saying that and what does that
tell him? Okay, well, again

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he goes in, he deals with
Obviously there's other motivations for why he deals

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with Aldo, but he pretty much
squashes any kind of power tripped that the

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gorillas would be able to have.
And I think that's another factor that again

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reduces the risk of their original plant
of the Apes timeline unfolding. So we've

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eliminated the nuke threat with the mutant
humans, we've eliminated the gorilla war from

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happening because Caesar's aware of that.
The only thing that none of that'll pushback

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but the grill. But where I
think it's a little muggy is like all

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the gorills also turn on all though
too. That's the only thing. It's

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not like that's the odd thing.
It's not like, oh it becomes a

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war. It's they're like, yeah, fuck all though, and they like

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they pulled their swords. So it's
like, I don't know how he I

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don't know how Caesar stops the up. Like it didn't feel like there's an

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uprising in this movie. They just
don't say anything because like they're nervous about

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the kid, but like they they're
still they choose like once they find.

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I don't know. It's it's weird
because you would think that once they find,

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what did the thing happen? Because
he chops the tree down Cornelius,

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of course is his name. He
falls makes it more confusing. Fucking goes

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Caesar is like God damn Roddy mcdowall's
playing both like God damn plannings. But

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it's like R O N and A
when it's like just picol A and JR.

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Token just name one of them,
Sarah, you know, So it's

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just because he kills them, and
those other apes know that he killed the

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ape and like why don't It's it's
strange when they choose to turn. And

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that's where it's like, I would
have taken more politics and I know we're

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not talking about the because'm gona let
you keep going your thought. I would

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have completely taken out all the mutated
human stuff and had it just more about

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the chimpanzees, gorillas and orangue tangs
in the middle. I think that was

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more interesting. But that's the only
thing. It's like, were they uprising

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because they just turned on older like
that? Mm hmm. They do so,

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so were they gonna uprise? You
know? Like they didn't seem like

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they were a big to just jump
in and like I feel like maybe the

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other gorillas didn't know that he died
because that wasn't like confirmed right like he

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does get just like carted away and
then it's see because yeah, like in

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that moment, I feel like they
should have been like, whoa, that

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was pretty fucked up. They ran
like you over your parents. They're supposed

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to be gone past curfew, get
the house, get a house soon.

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But it's not like they went out
and we're like, oh, maybe we

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should tell Caesar, like what happened? Like that's pretty fucked up with all

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though, because they are very like
still pro aldo and it's it's not until

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later on when they're doing those chants
of like murderer killed my son, and

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then they're like, wait a minute, what the hell's going on? Oh

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yeah, let's let's turn on this
guy. Maybe they're just super wishy washy.

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They keep switching teams whatever, winning
that's who, that's who they side

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with. Sorry Taylor, no good
thought thought so no like bad thought,

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no speaking. Can we be gone
continue gun power before we can take because

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of that is gonna be a while. I think they still did a good

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job framing it. But when they're
in the class and they're doing their spelling

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lessons and then all those First of
all, I love the whole classes ships

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on all though, And I actually
really like the actor playing all though,

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because I think he does a good
job of being kind of airheady but feeling

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very scary at times, like this
guy could just fuck you up. But

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so like they go to the class, you spelled it wrong, everyone's making

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in front of him. Cornelius is
a fucking little prick who's just like,

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oh, apes are stupid, and
like everyone's like, oh, and realize

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they're all apes or Grill. Yeah, so Grill is a stupid oh and

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even though that something other gorillas are
laughing at all though, But I liked

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that he's just like pure power.
He doesn't care what the learning. And

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then he rips up the paper like
because at first he's like ape killed man.

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They're like, no, you've met
it wrong, you're not. You

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gotta go to class, And because
he heard everyone else say it, he

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takes notes. Oh ape kills a
and he rips it up and t's like

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no, I don't know, and
that camera like zoomed in hard. Although

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yeah, and music. I was
like, what the fuck happened? And

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I had to rewind and I'm like
I don't want too. I was shocked

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because I was like, what did
he do? And I forgot and then

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I went back to our memes of
last episode that Noah is such a big

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word. And then later on Winter
Soldiers, Olda is like you don't say

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the forbidd It wasn't even later though, like it was like right away,

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like it's like the quick shot to
all though. And then Virgil is just

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like walking by random. He's like
he's like no, no, no,

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and he's just like carts over as
if it's like a little chap bubble that

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just popped up to like fill us
in on, Like can't say that.

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I reound before Virgil get in there, because it's like, why is this

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music stinging zooming so hard right now? And I actually I appreciate that it's

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no, but I got a good
laugh just because we meme on that.

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I just love that now after years
them saying no, they've banned the word

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no. You can't say it to
an ape, and that the way the

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way Virgil explained it to a teacher
to Abe, it just made it sound

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like abed it was not informed about
this law, just like oh you said

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the one forbidden words, there's no
humans could never tell an ape to say

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that's what I mean. It was
like a chat bubble like it's as if

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like it's just like a quick like
filler of like telling the audience of what's

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going on. And then because like
all though pauses, like he's not freaking

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out in that moment, Virgil's just
explaining this whole thing as all those just

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waiting there, and then teacher like
comes out of like the breaking of the

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fourth wall, it seems, and
then like interacts with all It's just a

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very like weird cut there, and
they teacher why they did it. But

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yeah, and the teachers like scared
of his life because they do. I

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like that. They do make every
ape like stand up and the teacher saw

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his life flash of his eyes.
He's like, I'm gonna get beaten to

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death, like dozens and dozens of
apes and stuff, and uh yeah,

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I almost wish they played like a
little less cheesy because like, I get

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what they're doing, right, I
feel like they're trying to make it like

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saying a dragative term to another person
of a race. So I like that,

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but I feel like in the seventies
is just the way, but there's

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there's like I actually think there's merit
in that idea. It just it was

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editing. Yeah, that all those
zoomages. I first I was like,

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what the fuck is going on?
Like why, and they're like, okay,

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it all makes sense, but it
was it was fun time. So

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I just that same that same classroom
sequence. There was a lot of entertainment

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in there with that, with that
moment, but also just when Aldo gets

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there and the teacher's like, Okay, I'll know you're gonna do somebody,

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He's like, no, I'm not
doing He's like, you will not do

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it because you can't because you don't
know how, And like that's when they're

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just ragging on him. They're like, especially because we've seen such a similar

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type of gorilla character in the second
film, and he's like a general,

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which I guess yeah, he says
that like eighty million times, General,

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call me general. General? Doesn't
he have a gun? Like he's just

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so powerless. He's just power tripping
throughout. I liked when Cornelius goes up

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and it's like ape, what was
it? Ape? Does not kill abe.

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Yeah, it's just like like it's
supposed to be like a wholesome moment,

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like really nice. You know,
he sees him more than just this

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little slave, and like it just
the way that it goes to Cornelius and

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he's just like smiling sort of at
the teacher. I just could not help

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but laugh. It was so weird. He's like, Oh, you're so

404
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kind, Cornelius, you're a famine
student. Cornelia Corneos was a little shit.

405
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,480
I'm like, like, you know, he had a coming, just

406
00:26:03,519 --> 00:26:07,680
gonna say, bastard, but continued
Taylor, Well, I'm sure there'll be

407
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:11,559
a couple more sidelines. But so
you talked about the mutants, and we

408
00:26:11,599 --> 00:26:17,599
talk about all the oh yeah,
like the theory so far. So basically

409
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:22,599
in closing, I was just thinking
that Zerra and Cornelius they went back in

410
00:26:22,759 --> 00:26:26,000
time, and when they went back
in time, it was already after Taylor

411
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,599
left. So at this point when
they went back in time, Taylor would

412
00:26:29,599 --> 00:26:33,079
still be lost in sleeping and Cryo
in space. Right is no, don't

413
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,599
is he? Yeah? Because yeah, I guess he left at this point,

414
00:26:36,799 --> 00:26:37,680
right, Yeah, you're right,
Yeah, he had already left because

415
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:44,519
they're like taylor ship. Yeah,
so basically his ship is still He's out

416
00:26:44,519 --> 00:26:47,200
there. They're all all four of
them are still out there, just kind

417
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:52,759
of like sleeping and cryos so the
lady, except the lady she's dead.

418
00:26:52,519 --> 00:26:57,480
The interesting thing is when you have
this change of future. Now, when

419
00:26:57,519 --> 00:27:03,079
Taylor does inevitably crash land on Earth, the future could be completely different.

420
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:07,119
He could land there and be like, oh, I'm McDonald the seventh,

421
00:27:07,559 --> 00:27:12,599
you know, come hang out with
me and uh Caesar the tenth. So

422
00:27:12,599 --> 00:27:18,319
so you're saying, Heywood's land in
a planet that is a better ape society

423
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:22,119
now possibly, Yeah, that's what
I am deducing. That'd be interesting.

424
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:33,599
Oh fuck six months will be running
this planet nice everywhere. Yeah, that'd

425
00:27:33,599 --> 00:27:37,759
be interesting. That'd be a good
like what if of like him landing there

426
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:42,039
and he's welcomed, you know,
as a hero. He's a hero,

427
00:27:42,319 --> 00:27:47,119
right, and there would be stories
about him, but potentially so the biggest

428
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:52,160
man ever seen. Yeah, we've
heard about how you made Brent just look

429
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:56,519
like a child. Your arms are
massive. Nobody liked Brent, understand Ah,

430
00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:03,759
fuck you funny apes. I just
fixed him getting high with all these

431
00:28:03,799 --> 00:28:08,559
aides him in a great time.
But yeah, let's let's uh, let's

432
00:28:08,559 --> 00:28:15,799
just fit not finish off anything,
dyl frand but yeah, let's talk about

433
00:28:15,839 --> 00:28:19,839
that kind of whole instant we tub
all this, we may as well just

434
00:28:19,839 --> 00:28:23,599
finish off I'm sure you come up
in this storyline again. But still so

435
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:27,720
yeah, they said that there's power
struggle. He's constantly there's like three or

436
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:33,240
four times where he won't he wants
to do something and either Virgil shuts them

437
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:37,759
down by saying Cornelius wouldn't do this, or Cornelis just shut them down says

438
00:28:37,799 --> 00:28:41,680
I wouldn't do this because he's just
for Caesar. Right, Yeah, here

439
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,519
we go, right, because he's
just like you put him the four pinzon

440
00:28:45,599 --> 00:28:48,799
and he'd be like, I'm the
one who forbidden. He's just like who

441
00:28:48,839 --> 00:28:51,440
hands out guns? Well, no
one hands out guns, but Caesar.

442
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:55,920
Like every every question he had again
he didn't come up kind of done with

443
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:57,680
this very answer, like while you're
talking to the guy made the fucking rules.

444
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:02,480
So but I like that how slimy
he was that like the second he

445
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:06,720
was gone for a couple of hours
for vinds On the second time he was

446
00:29:06,759 --> 00:29:10,160
gone, that was full on takeover
mode. And that happened to when the

447
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,119
war is coming to So it kind
of fit like I felt like the all

448
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:17,880
though character to me fit exactly what
it was, Like I thought, there's

449
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:22,640
a perfect through line for all his
motivations, even the killing of the son,

450
00:29:22,759 --> 00:29:25,720
Like like, do you think he
meant to kill Cornelius? Like,

451
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:30,880
I don't think he meant to murder
him. I don't. It's like I

452
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:36,720
like to think no, But like
he also when they see him in the

453
00:29:36,759 --> 00:29:40,079
trees, everyone is just like,
hey, well he just heard our entire

454
00:29:40,119 --> 00:29:42,440
plan, and like they're already talking
about dethroning Caesar, right, and then

455
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:47,480
he and then he's like come down
here, Cornelius, like unsheets his fucking

456
00:29:47,519 --> 00:29:49,880
machete. What else he's he gonna
do with that? I don't know.

457
00:29:51,319 --> 00:29:52,119
It's kind of like you have to
kill him in that moment, right,

458
00:29:52,119 --> 00:29:56,039
because if they tell you the plan, that's as good as dad anyways,

459
00:29:56,079 --> 00:30:00,839
So like you're kind of stuck there. But it's also such a big rule

460
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,359
that apparently the gorillas would have been
super against that. I don't think so

461
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:07,160
in the moment, maybe maybe they
would have stood up to him, Like

462
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,799
if if he actually came down and
all those about to murder them, I

463
00:30:10,839 --> 00:30:14,640
don't climb a tree. You don't
like leave him in the tree because like

464
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:19,039
it's tough though, right, because
it is a very tavy Chown's Jack Sparrow

465
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:25,160
Barboza ware. It's like they're talking
about taking the Black Pearl, you know,

466
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:29,319
like they're talking about gen Rid of
the Captain and those apes were still

467
00:30:29,319 --> 00:30:32,319
in it. It's the same way
I like, kay. I guess maybe

468
00:30:32,359 --> 00:30:37,400
they thought because Caesar Carnelis would go
back and tell his dad, but you're

469
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:38,759
right where they would think, well, there's not a kill ape rules,

470
00:30:38,799 --> 00:30:42,480
So maybe would they think the worst
is they would just excommunicate them or they

471
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:47,240
do some time or something, right, because I feel like there's definitely some

472
00:30:47,319 --> 00:30:49,240
disagreement with apes, but I feel
like this is the first situation they've had

473
00:30:49,279 --> 00:30:53,799
where it's like criminal activity. Someone's
trying to overthrow Caesar. Definitely first time

474
00:30:53,839 --> 00:30:56,160
for murder. So it's like I'm
wondering what the other apes are thinking that

475
00:30:56,200 --> 00:31:00,960
about. And that's why I said
I would prefer because when they do find

476
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,599
out, it's like you killed an
ape, like they feel so surprised.

477
00:31:03,599 --> 00:31:07,640
It's almost like they're feigning surprising what
he killed, and like they didn't see

478
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:11,240
any of this, Like they're just
throwing them under the bus because he got

479
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:12,720
caught. So that's why I actually
would have preferred, like, yeah,

480
00:31:12,759 --> 00:31:18,480
what did the Apes think was gonna
happen if Cornelius got away? Because it

481
00:31:18,519 --> 00:31:21,599
couldn't be good. Right, I'm
not saying they were gonna fucking kill all

482
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:25,279
the apes, but you're trying to
overthrow Caesar, who's like they're god at

483
00:31:25,279 --> 00:31:27,759
this point, right, like their
president, their leader. Not great,

484
00:31:27,759 --> 00:31:30,759
and they didn't really stop although from
hunting him. They're just like they just

485
00:31:30,839 --> 00:31:33,799
watched, they sat around a campfire
and just watch this kid get murdered.

486
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:38,599
You know, I think it's a
good kind of reflection to of I mean

487
00:31:40,079 --> 00:31:44,119
when you look at society and you
look at how some people just hate other

488
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:48,359
people and they're not getting their way, and just people will just blindly follow

489
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:52,759
and not stand up and challenge it. And that's exactly what his comrades did.

490
00:31:52,839 --> 00:32:00,240
They just blindly followed him at it. It's it's the it's the the

491
00:32:00,279 --> 00:32:05,160
negative downside to what is it?
You know, great power comes great responsibility,

492
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,599
and you all have that responsibility or
the quote a little different thing.

493
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:13,720
It's like when you accept responsibility,
you'll get great power. I've heard that's

494
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:20,759
yeah. So so what was your
good reference? What are you talking about?

495
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,440
I know exactly what you're talking about. Okay, good, So in

496
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:30,599
your theory, what like, what
are the apes? What are they thinking?

497
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:31,799
Why did they kill the other eight? Why did they kill all though?

498
00:32:31,839 --> 00:32:34,799
Or they don't kill but they were
gonna, they were gonna. They

499
00:32:34,799 --> 00:32:37,200
have their fucking swords that they raise
a skewer this ape. You know,

500
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,079
if Caesar didn't do it, they
would have well, I mean it's even

501
00:32:40,119 --> 00:32:43,680
Caesar didn't kill him, He just
he fell on his own accord of the

502
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,799
tree. What was gonna do?
He got his hands on him, well,

503
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:53,319
like come at him and he grabbed
his all though, although just quit

504
00:32:53,759 --> 00:32:59,640
but let only committed suicide. I
don't think that, but okay, fine,

505
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:00,880
they both making the ground. I
think Caesar was gonna kill him no

506
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:06,039
matter what. Yeah, I think
So it alludes to that too, because

507
00:33:06,079 --> 00:33:10,720
earlier he's talking to Virgil about is
it what? How did he say that,

508
00:33:10,759 --> 00:33:15,799
like, is it wrong to kill
evil? Something like that? That

509
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:21,759
was an interesting part too that so
already he has like a couple weird sly

510
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:27,160
remarks about all though. When although
and then getting their first confrontation, and

511
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,400
then when he like rides by this
horse, he says, to God,

512
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:34,920
who's the human that's his help?
Riding to the McDonald he's like riding to

513
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,000
the fall. Yeah, it's like
all that ape is riding to his own

514
00:33:37,039 --> 00:33:40,000
fall, And it's like, what
the fuck are you Insanua, Like what

515
00:33:40,039 --> 00:33:45,400
does that he mean? Like maybe
that just be politically stuff like that,

516
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:50,039
but yeah, before that whole thing
happens, he's having that conversation of man

517
00:33:50,599 --> 00:33:52,839
our ancestors, which is weird.
Some of his ancestors he's the ones making

518
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:58,279
the ape like he's I guess he's
about the ancestors in the real past,

519
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,279
right, like that were on the
planet, would take you there, and

520
00:34:00,319 --> 00:34:04,759
Cornelius and everything, because he said, are some about ancestors if they only

521
00:34:04,839 --> 00:34:07,360
knew what they killed? Right?
Right? So, because his only ancestors

522
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,559
would be his moment dead, they
didn't meet, so we can't refer to

523
00:34:09,599 --> 00:34:13,760
them, which I can't remember.
In the OG two films, I don't

524
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:19,800
think did they mention ape doesn't kill
ape? Maybe once the first movie did

525
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:23,639
they I think they did mention it? Yeah and whatever, Okay, so

526
00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:27,760
maybe it was Okay, so that's
fair enough. So again you have him

527
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,760
insinuating like oh, all those gonna
go for a downfall, and then also

528
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:35,280
talking just being to McDonald's being like, hey, I wonder what they meant

529
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,199
by that, like do you think
they'd want to kill evil apes pretty much?

530
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:42,639
Or you know? So it was
and that's where again I almost wish

531
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:46,440
that the inciting inscause I think it's
both of them. I like that they

532
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:50,400
do like, like I said,
we toldblest in many things. They fucking

533
00:34:50,559 --> 00:34:53,880
killed Caesar's kid off, like that's
a dark route to go down. But

534
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:59,519
I almost wish the turn was more
about the leadership because they already had Caesar

535
00:34:59,679 --> 00:35:01,719
question like, oh what should I
do? But it's like the second he

536
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:05,840
kills the son, everybody's gonna be
like, well you fucking killed Maybe it's

537
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,719
over for you. I wish it
was maybe maybe in like in response,

538
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:13,239
although killed his son, but I
wish it was more political of him trying

539
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,079
to take over a lead and stuff. So they kind of were setting up

540
00:35:15,119 --> 00:35:20,559
an interesting idea of you have this
guy who is a threat ruining your community,

541
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:22,440
maybe hurting other apes, not killing
them, how do you do?

542
00:35:22,519 --> 00:35:24,599
How do you deal with them,
maybe you can't kill them, but like

543
00:35:24,639 --> 00:35:28,519
I said, the second you kill
an ay, that's null because okay,

544
00:35:28,519 --> 00:35:30,800
we're gonna kill you too. It's
you know, find death penalty because I

545
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:34,760
I don't know that's a debate for
originals and bread and butter. I know

546
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,599
we've probably before like technically, if
you kill someone, you could serve sixty

547
00:35:37,679 --> 00:35:40,480
years and come out. But like
I'm somebody that's like I don't know,

548
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:47,159
it's like a it's over face to
money. Yes, yeah, I feel

549
00:35:47,159 --> 00:35:52,159
like I completely agree with just the
Like I think the overall threat could have

550
00:35:52,159 --> 00:35:55,559
been a lot more interesting if it
was focused more on the politicking and then

551
00:35:55,639 --> 00:36:00,679
you don't even need like the mutant
humans to do the up rising. Like

552
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:02,599
I think this is actually a better
story if you just kind of keep it

553
00:36:02,639 --> 00:36:07,199
more of a civil war amongst the
apes. And that doesn't mean you can't

554
00:36:07,199 --> 00:36:13,519
have humans there, because I do
think that part of me is an interesting

555
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:19,880
just concept of them, especially even
just from like Caesar and like like the

556
00:36:20,039 --> 00:36:24,199
hierarchy, I guess of society like
they have no reason to really or maybe

557
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:29,400
no motivation to really keep these humans
like on the pedestal that they are,

558
00:36:29,519 --> 00:36:31,880
like they could really just put them
in corrals and call it a day,

559
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:36,960
like they are the ruling party of
the world at this point in time.

560
00:36:37,079 --> 00:36:39,840
So I think it just kind of
gives us a little bit more depth on

561
00:36:40,039 --> 00:36:46,039
just I think, from them and
what differentiates them from from where we see

562
00:36:46,039 --> 00:36:52,079
the Apes and in the I guess
the year thirty seven hundred whatever it is

563
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:57,559
of the first movie, when it
is just a super clear like like people

564
00:36:57,599 --> 00:37:01,039
would shun you if you treated human
with maybe the respect that Caesar kind of

565
00:37:01,039 --> 00:37:06,840
has the end this movie. So
I do think that concept is really fun

566
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,559
and a lot of potential, I
think, which is the Gorilla uprising.

567
00:37:09,679 --> 00:37:14,840
But yeah he did. He did
the bad deed, and nobody in the

568
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,719
society, even his own comrades,
were on his side after he did that

569
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:22,320
point, and like you could have
played around with like some people seeing him

570
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,880
as a really great leader because of
maybe he was quelling. There you go,

571
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:30,800
that's the word of the night,
quelling the threat of like the mutant

572
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,880
humans. Like like like if they
did some sort of scenario where Caesar's gone

573
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:39,880
and then there's clearly people in like
tanks just raiding Ape kingdom and then you

574
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:45,519
have, Yeah, although just pushed
them back, and then everybody's like kind

575
00:37:45,519 --> 00:37:47,119
of wanting to him to be the
leader, like that could be a really

576
00:37:47,159 --> 00:37:51,800
interesting dynamic, but that never even
that never even comes to light because of

577
00:37:52,079 --> 00:37:57,880
Cornelius's downfall. Yeah, and it's
just like again, you gotta spend they

578
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:01,559
good. He says he wants to
learn know his past. He finds these

579
00:38:01,599 --> 00:38:06,320
weird stop motion videos that aren't stop
motion, like it's just like audio,

580
00:38:06,519 --> 00:38:12,079
very weird. Like I'm sorry,
I thought my My Disney Plus, Yeah,

581
00:38:12,079 --> 00:38:15,800
My Disney Plus was all messed up
because it was it was the scene

582
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,840
of the movie that we watched with
the actors and the voices, but they

583
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:21,599
just weren't moving and it was weird. And I get it because it's like

584
00:38:21,679 --> 00:38:24,599
the seventies, but it's funny where
it's like, yeah, it'd be the

585
00:38:24,679 --> 00:38:30,760
audio and one motion and the like
move over in another. It was odd.

586
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:35,639
But and I guess it's like I
thought it was a very weak reason

587
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,119
for him. I guess I don't
know. It's tough because he says he

588
00:38:38,159 --> 00:38:40,599
wants to go back there and discovers
past, So I guess I get it.

589
00:38:40,679 --> 00:38:44,559
He hasn't seen his parents. He
wants to know about that, so

590
00:38:44,599 --> 00:38:46,840
I do get it. I guess
it is a good enough reason because he

591
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:51,480
never met his parents, but that
sets off. He goes there and there's

592
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,519
a bunch of the fucking new people
that are in there, and like I

593
00:38:54,559 --> 00:38:58,400
said, I personally would have taken
out all this because that's the other thing.

594
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:04,480
I think it's disappointing where even some
of myself I defend Conquest and I

595
00:39:04,519 --> 00:39:07,000
really love that third act battle.
To me, the battle at the end

596
00:39:07,039 --> 00:39:10,679
of the movie is not It's in
a big field and it's cool to see

597
00:39:10,679 --> 00:39:15,840
because like, oh look, it's
like Planet of the Apes style setting in

598
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:19,760
a war, Like okay, there's
bus It's like, that's definitely something I

599
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,199
want to see done today because I
think it could be done better. But

600
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,880
just the battle is just not that
exciting. I have in my trivia note

601
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:30,679
where there's a there's a treehouse that's
on fire. That's the same treehouse they

602
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:32,519
show a bunch of times. It's
just shot from the different angle so they

603
00:39:32,519 --> 00:39:36,480
only lit on fire ones. But
yeah, I think the battle to me

604
00:39:36,599 --> 00:39:37,800
is just it's a lot of running
out of people and a lot of shooting

605
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:43,199
exposure, but there's just no choreography. It's just bodies around with bodies,

606
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,480
you know. So at least even
if a great battle, see what have

607
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:46,400
happened, I'd be like, oh, it's paid off the humans. But

608
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:51,599
I didn't need the humans, and
uh yeah, I know it. Wasn't

609
00:39:51,639 --> 00:39:53,679
a fan of the battle. I
was not a fan of the battle at

610
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:59,159
all. It seemed like they had
a bunch of like like civil war what

611
00:39:59,159 --> 00:40:01,800
what do they call it, green, Yeah, reenactments, because it's just

612
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:06,679
like a couple of old dudes,
a couple of old dudes like slightly walking

613
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,920
forward and like just shooting their guns. And like the scale of it was

614
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:15,599
strange too, because it seemed like
there was like maybe eight like mutant humans

615
00:40:15,639 --> 00:40:22,679
one huge. Yeah, so it
was bizarre and I'm just not a fan

616
00:40:22,679 --> 00:40:27,639
of them across the board. I
don't think the battle helped them at all.

617
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,800
Yeah, see anything to say on
the humans in the battle, Yeah,

618
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:36,880
the humans kind of had this kind
of comedic tone to them to a

619
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:44,880
slight degree, but overall it just
they had a very much a ragtag kind

620
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:49,119
of shitty arsenal. Their bus was
barely working, like they had some very

621
00:40:49,159 --> 00:40:51,519
shitty things, and their idea was, yeah, we're going to go and

622
00:40:51,559 --> 00:40:55,639
exterminate the apes and Ape City just
a poor plan, very very poor plan.

623
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:01,280
And the I mean the apes defense
was just setting up this barricade in

624
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:06,039
front and a lot of them died
just to run to the barricade and throw

625
00:41:06,079 --> 00:41:12,400
shit on the barricade. And I
will say, like the humans these humans

626
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,920
are, they were definitely stupid.
They weren't very bright, and I defer

627
00:41:16,039 --> 00:41:22,320
to an example here. So the
governor thought that he had Caesar surrounded and

628
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,920
it was just like game over and
then basically the apes had their ewok moment

629
00:41:27,079 --> 00:41:30,320
because all the apes were playing down
on the ground, the humans thought they

630
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:34,800
won, and then instantly ten thousand
apes just surrounded the humans and just took

631
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,199
them down and they were fucked.
I will say I did think it was

632
00:41:37,199 --> 00:41:39,679
odd when they pulled up and all
the apes were down on the grass like

633
00:41:39,679 --> 00:41:43,480
man, they did a lot of
damage, Like I didn't remember seeing this

634
00:41:43,599 --> 00:41:46,719
and that was my first show.
And they stand up and they just all

635
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:52,719
resort back to their buses. They
just fucking flee. That human may as

636
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,719
well been done with or plea.
They didn't even try to fight, like

637
00:41:55,760 --> 00:42:00,480
all its the fucking apes were back, and that fucking the main because he

638
00:42:00,559 --> 00:42:02,800
was back from the last movie.
I can't remember his names, like Burke

639
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:08,280
or whatever it was. He had
Caesar up and it was weird because Caesar

640
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:12,960
was almost acting like he couldn't talk
again because he's talking to but he just

641
00:42:13,039 --> 00:42:17,320
kept me like that mouth like like
he would say a thing and he's going

642
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:21,599
off about it, like and I
know you picked your name clever boy,

643
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:25,559
so clever, you're clever boy.
He kept saying clever over and over again

644
00:42:25,599 --> 00:42:28,719
while I had the gun to him, like just shoot, like I don't

645
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:30,199
want to see Louther of course,
but like from your perspective, what do

646
00:42:30,199 --> 00:42:32,719
you need to talk to us abe
about? The whole idea was we're gonna

647
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:36,199
destroy the city. What the fuck
do you need talking about? Why he

648
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:37,559
picked his name as a book?
Like why isn't he gunned him down like

649
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:44,800
every Caesars their brutus. Yeah,
like it had such a It just that

650
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:49,079
humans were made to be very dumb
and uh so yeah kind of all around.

651
00:42:49,159 --> 00:42:52,000
Unfortunately, not nothing really I could
take from the battle scene as far

652
00:42:52,039 --> 00:42:54,760
as like a highlight, you know, which sucks as like the big third

653
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:58,239
act, you know, so it
probably costs him a lot of money to

654
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:04,559
do that old Yeah they school bus
at one they had a bunch of military

655
00:43:04,639 --> 00:43:07,440
vehicles. Yeah no, they don't
need that. Just spend more money on

656
00:43:07,519 --> 00:43:12,039
other stuff for the actors, or
make the movie. You get a fucky

657
00:43:12,159 --> 00:43:20,760
lands in the middle of the war. What am I doing? Who do

658
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:28,440
I side with? I did like
when well it's back and forth. I

659
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:30,880
did not like that Caesar and although
ended up back in the tree, I

660
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:34,960
thought that was very just cheesy that
were just pretty much do the exact same

661
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:38,639
thing. But I did like that
fucking McDonald gets his chance back. Oh,

662
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:43,840
acting exactly like humans, just like
he says he said under his breath

663
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:45,519
to another human that felt like he
was just waiting the whole time to be

664
00:43:45,639 --> 00:43:54,079
like, see you're not You're not
better than us. But yeah, yeah,

665
00:43:54,119 --> 00:44:00,960
I liked when Caesar was freeing them
and then he kind of like like

666
00:44:00,039 --> 00:44:06,159
he recognizes that humans are in a
lower class position. Of course, it's

667
00:44:06,199 --> 00:44:07,239
like, well, if you're gonna
free us, fore us for for real.

668
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,519
And I just thought that was a
nice little, uh, little moment

669
00:44:10,599 --> 00:44:15,719
that differentiates the humans of the of
the first one where they're literally like Neanderthals,

670
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:20,519
like they just can't think straight.
Their brain is not working where these

671
00:44:20,519 --> 00:44:23,880
ones are intelligent, and I would
imagine someone in that place of intelligence,

672
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:28,079
would you know, they'd be looking
for a way to get out of that

673
00:44:28,159 --> 00:44:30,840
place of slavery. So even though
a lot of them they have this big

674
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:34,639
speech and I get it just that
they're not gonna be slaves, but I

675
00:44:34,679 --> 00:44:37,760
felt like when they're having the conversation
with Caesar, it's making it sound like

676
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:39,840
they're gonna leave, but then most
of them just stay there still, you

677
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:43,800
know, Yeah, we have to
make our own path and our own laws.

678
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:45,360
And then next one McDonnell's like,
well what should we do next?

679
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:49,119
Like, well about the fuck these
guns? Which I kind of I did

680
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:52,000
like because I forgot about this.
You had that gun keeper and he's like,

681
00:44:52,199 --> 00:44:54,400
I love where it's like, and
I have a plan. And so

682
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,280
he's like, yeah, you want
to live here, Yeah you can live

683
00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:59,840
you No, No, I don't
want to live here, Like I wanted

684
00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:02,159
to show this place. I did
like that's either like, well there'll be

685
00:45:02,199 --> 00:45:06,079
a day because I thought one point
they were going to show him like you

686
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,480
just had this huge battle and you're
gonna be dumb and just destroy these guns.

687
00:45:08,559 --> 00:45:12,599
So I like that the answer was, Hey, eventually we'll destroy this

688
00:45:12,639 --> 00:45:15,199
hot and these guns, but we
can't right now because we don't know what

689
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:17,480
threats are out there. And they
did answer because I think I mentioned this

690
00:45:17,559 --> 00:45:21,360
last retrospective because I was like,
how do they go from the apes taking

691
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,840
over the city to just being back
like playing the ape style. They did

692
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:28,119
mention that nukes went off. Obviously
we talked about that, like with them

693
00:45:28,559 --> 00:45:30,440
whatnot, but I had forgotten about
that last retro So that answer to me

694
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:35,239
how they got back to like trees
and treehouses and dirt beds and stuff,

695
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:37,679
because it didn't make sense that Caesar
took over fucking like New York City and

696
00:45:37,679 --> 00:45:40,719
then like, ah, let's go
back to you know, let's go back

697
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:46,920
to the woods and just live out
there. So and then my last note

698
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:52,039
that I have to is the main
bag. I had a like some sort

699
00:45:52,079 --> 00:45:55,280
of wingman or his right hand man. He was the taller, bald guy,

700
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:59,239
and they're talking about pretty much like
a bug's life, like why they

701
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:02,320
gotta stop the ape and he said
this line verbatim, Well, because A

702
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:07,599
destroys B, and then B destroys
C and then C destroys D. I

703
00:46:07,599 --> 00:46:10,199
wish there was a cut where he
just went into the entire alphabet. I

704
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:15,320
think we once they did a destroys
B and B destroys C. I think

705
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:19,119
we got it. But we also
did not need to continue of the quote.

706
00:46:19,119 --> 00:46:22,480
But uh, yeah, weird situation
going on there when the humans leave

707
00:46:22,519 --> 00:46:25,440
and you have something, they're like
tired just reaching it them like zombies or

708
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:30,519
some Yeah. Yeah, no,
that was That was a trippy spot and

709
00:46:30,679 --> 00:46:35,840
I loved it too because our our
governor was h Governor Colpe. He's at

710
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:38,719
first he's like, yeah, like
if they shoot, then you can shoot

711
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:42,119
back, but shoot the mame like
we don't want to kill them, we

712
00:46:42,159 --> 00:46:45,840
want to interrogate them and whatnot.
And then he like sends out the fucking

713
00:46:46,119 --> 00:46:52,199
dumb and dumber crew that like they
have no no capability of like tracking down

714
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,800
these people, uh like anywhere,
Like it just seems like they can't find

715
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:58,719
them. So then he just calls
on the radio. He's like shoot to

716
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,039
kill now, like don't let them
get away. It's like they like haven't

717
00:47:01,039 --> 00:47:04,880
even seen the targets, Like they
haven't even interact with them. It's as

718
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,880
if they like they found out that
these two apes and uh and the one

719
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:12,440
human just murdered like ten ten people. It's like, all we want them

720
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:15,119
dead now, like right away,
he just hits the panic button and then

721
00:47:15,159 --> 00:47:17,039
it just like escalates further and he's
just like, you gotta get them,

722
00:47:17,119 --> 00:47:21,639
you can't let them escape. It
was just a really fast escalation that I

723
00:47:21,679 --> 00:47:24,519
found pretty humorous. And yeah,
when they're in like the plague Corey,

724
00:47:24,559 --> 00:47:29,719
that was kind of strange. And
when they just like jump down at Virgil,

725
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:31,960
I just I have no idea what
happened there, Like they just get

726
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:35,920
attracted to movement, like they just
leap down and grabbed them, and then

727
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:39,039
they started grabbing the guards when they
ran by, like it was it was

728
00:47:39,079 --> 00:47:45,199
strange. Yeah, I didn't like
being there. What else do I got

729
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:51,960
here? Oh? Yeah? So
then after that moment is like first officers

730
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:53,880
explaining to the governor what happened.
He's just like they were fast, They're

731
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:59,559
so fast and she just cann't get
them. Made me think of Edward Collin.

732
00:48:00,199 --> 00:48:05,920
So what do we got now?
Oh yeah, the malform thing.

733
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,719
I thought that was just a big
point of emphasis across the board, major,

734
00:48:09,119 --> 00:48:15,599
major fear for the young Cornelius.
Yeah, I don't know what his

735
00:48:15,679 --> 00:48:19,719
last name is. I don't think
they even have last names. Cornelia,

736
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:24,840
Caesar, Cornelius, the name Caesar. The whole gorilla rally was just really

737
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:30,440
hilarious in the woods when he's just
like, we want guns, guns are

738
00:48:30,559 --> 00:48:32,920
bar and he's just like, again, it's not very educated. Clearly he

739
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,119
was failing in his school studies,
but really triggered when it comes to guns

740
00:48:37,119 --> 00:48:39,960
and go to school. Don't be
like all though, No, I don't

741
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:45,039
want to be like all. When
Cornelius was just just dying on the bed

742
00:48:45,199 --> 00:48:49,079
and he's just like, they hurt
me, Pop, I don't know why

743
00:48:49,119 --> 00:48:51,400
you couldn't just say, like,
you know, it was all though,

744
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:53,000
that murdered me. It's the gorillas. They're coming to murder you. Now

745
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:59,920
down from a tree now like that. That's what he said on his dying

746
00:49:00,079 --> 00:49:07,440
bed. But fucking dummy. Yeah, that seen. There's aspects that it's

747
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:09,280
good. And I actually liked this
stuff with the mom too, that she's

748
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:13,440
like, I'm gonna just let Cornelis
kinda or Caesar live in a world where

749
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:16,599
he thinks his son's okay for a
little bit. And that woman doctor felt

750
00:49:16,599 --> 00:49:20,079
like that was she was just stuck
in that set of the hut. But

751
00:49:20,559 --> 00:49:23,519
there's things I liked about it,
but the actual Cornelius passing on got a

752
00:49:23,519 --> 00:49:29,159
little a little cheesy. I think
it should have hit much harder, has

753
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:32,119
like a child dying like it just
don't know. They probably should have just

754
00:49:32,199 --> 00:49:35,920
had no dialogue and Caesar get back
and he's dead, and I feel like

755
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:37,159
that'd be more sad, and he's
just like, man, you couldn't even

756
00:49:37,199 --> 00:49:39,920
say. He didn't get to say
goodbye, you know, well, like

757
00:49:40,079 --> 00:49:49,280
even Caesar's compatriot, his wife what
was her name, Oh, I can't

758
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:53,639
remember whatever, fuck me eyes were, so whatever her name was. Like

759
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:59,320
when she cause she finds Cornelius first, right, and then she's like,

760
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:00,519
I'm not going to tell Caesar right
away. In that moment, I'm like,

761
00:50:00,519 --> 00:50:02,760
oh, this is gonna be such
a big deal, Like Caesar's gonna

762
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:07,840
see Red and it's gonna be like
the end of the last film. But

763
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,320
he's just gonna be burning down all
these gorillas and just really didn't have any

764
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:15,159
big effect at all. And they
don't even talk really too wife about any

765
00:50:15,159 --> 00:50:19,880
of this. They don't like they're
just like they just both say Ape killed

766
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:23,599
Ape and yeah, that's true.
That's the car they probably divorced now,

767
00:50:24,639 --> 00:50:31,639
not on good terms. But do
you there anything to add here? Oh?

768
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:37,360
There was the one phrasing that I
really liked because after McDonald was let

769
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:39,519
out by Caesar from that pen,
after they dealt with Aldo and all that

770
00:50:39,559 --> 00:50:44,360
and the other humans were let out, McDonald was kind of just advocating for

771
00:50:45,039 --> 00:50:47,079
like, we're you say, you're
not our masters, but let us have

772
00:50:47,119 --> 00:50:50,960
our own debt. We all have
our own destinies of us decide for ourselves,

773
00:50:51,199 --> 00:50:53,840
you know, through love and whatnot. And Caesar immediately just counters with

774
00:50:53,960 --> 00:51:00,760
no violence is the human way.
And then Virgil, fucking Virgil, I

775
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:05,039
love him. He just counter Caesar
and says, well, Aldough wasn't human,

776
00:51:05,199 --> 00:51:08,679
was he had? Un? Caesariously
nods his head in agreeance, and

777
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:12,599
he says, you're on the wise
apes. I know I would loved it

778
00:51:12,639 --> 00:51:14,920
was the other way, like,
don't talk about my fucking son like that,

779
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:19,760
and you will stay slice forever.
He just goes back to the original

780
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:23,519
ending of conquest. He's just like
our own laws, our own people.

781
00:51:24,679 --> 00:51:29,480
But yeah, Virgil, very smart
character. You know, Goodie had him

782
00:51:29,519 --> 00:51:38,039
by his side. So any other
notes before any some trivia here? Okay,

783
00:51:38,559 --> 00:51:44,719
mister McDonald from Conco's plant apes Harry
Rhodes that this guy who played him

784
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:47,840
was also meant to return, but
after Rhodes refused, the character was changed

785
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:52,039
to his brother and Austin Stoker was
cast. So it wasn't a recast,

786
00:51:52,079 --> 00:51:59,360
it was another McDonald's. He's his
twin brother, right. I guess I

787
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:01,199
like to think that they just murdered
the original one in New York and we're

788
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:05,400
like, yeah, you can come
along. Sorry, I murder of your

789
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:09,000
brother. Yeah, I already talked
about this. They yeah, they That

790
00:52:09,119 --> 00:52:13,159
treehouse they showed him blown up was
the same treehouse, same shot. They

791
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:16,199
just shot from multiple agos to show
say the budget, So there you go.

792
00:52:16,199 --> 00:52:21,199
Governor Breck was originally planned to return
as the villain, but dol Mergy

793
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:24,079
wasn't interested. However, seffer In
Darden was able to return, so Breck's

794
00:52:24,079 --> 00:52:30,320
former security chief, culp Or KAlP, was promoted to Maine villain, which

795
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:35,320
I think would have worked better.
It's weird that you have two main characters

796
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:37,079
from that first one that the actress
just didn't want to come back at all,

797
00:52:37,159 --> 00:52:39,599
you know, So I think it
worked a little bit better. But

798
00:52:39,639 --> 00:52:44,039
again, now I just wish him
for They really just killed that human character

799
00:52:44,079 --> 00:52:47,039
off and would have been satisfying.
But no, that's why he didn't want

800
00:52:47,039 --> 00:52:49,679
to come back. So I know
you're gonna kill me. I don't want

801
00:52:49,679 --> 00:52:51,239
to die to the apes. I
want to be out there a lot,

802
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:57,440
although I'm guarantee you fucked that guy
up. This is supposed with a film

803
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:01,840
that inspired Tony Mendez to create the
opera Argo during the Iran hostage crisis situation

804
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:06,679
nineteen seventy nine to nineteen eighty one, in which he traveled to Iran to

805
00:53:06,679 --> 00:53:09,519
disguise the film producer had hostage disguised
the film crew in order for the country

806
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:14,599
As such, a clip from the
scene with Seat which Caesar MacDonald and Virgil

807
00:53:14,639 --> 00:53:17,400
arrived in the Forbidden City. So
yeah, if you've seen Argo, this

808
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:20,760
had a bit to do with it. So if not, watch Argo.

809
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:27,079
Great movie director Lee or Jay Lee
Thompson was very unhappy about the budgets limitations

810
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:30,000
and posed him he had agreed to
direct this film before the final screenplay was

811
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:34,360
in place, so I do get
it. But the same time, he

812
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:39,039
did, like, you know,
agree at a time when it wasn't wasn't

813
00:53:39,079 --> 00:53:45,760
sitting stone there so twentieth Cents Fox
had already decided to move the franchise to

814
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:50,920
television before the production had begun.
The previous Entry, Conquest, had encouraged

815
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:52,960
some christm for being too violent,
so the tent with the sequels to make

816
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:57,320
it more appealing for families and children. So I guess that's why they had

817
00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:01,639
a child murdered in this fucking movie. I don't get it. Yeah.

818
00:54:01,679 --> 00:54:06,920
In early address, Caesars had developed
radiation poison after returning to the City of

819
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:10,519
the Dead and experience hair loss throughout
the film. I'm very glad they dropped

820
00:54:10,559 --> 00:54:14,119
that plot because one, the makeup
crew didn't need to do that, and

821
00:54:14,119 --> 00:54:16,599
two, when we talk about stuff, like when we were recording this recently

822
00:54:16,599 --> 00:54:19,239
with Madam Web, there's like a
plot where you go, oh, you

823
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:22,719
can take that out. Sometimes movies
you just take stuff out, you know,

824
00:54:22,079 --> 00:54:24,639
and him losing hair, that was
a good thing to take out.

825
00:54:24,679 --> 00:54:30,039
We didn't need fifteen minutes of Caesar
struggling with that. So and then finally,

826
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:34,719
much like the second one, they
did do their ending like we talked

827
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:37,480
about, but they originally again had
planned the group of kids. The end

828
00:54:37,559 --> 00:54:40,800
was that included a human hybrid of
an ape and a human kid, symbolizing

829
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:45,760
two species could coexist. A makeup
test was made, but the idea was

830
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:51,079
removed due to the allless implications of
beat reality. So, yeah, it's

831
00:54:51,159 --> 00:54:55,079
interesting that both for the Funnies Too
and this one, they're like, it's

832
00:54:55,079 --> 00:55:00,119
gonna end with a group of people
on apes and then you're gonna see kid

833
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:07,039
human ape together, like both in
two different decades. They really wanted to

834
00:55:07,079 --> 00:55:10,079
do this, like Hyrid human and
both times are like, nah Na,

835
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:14,000
let's let's maybe not do it.
So and I think that's probably for the

836
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:16,239
best. But yeah, they thought
about doing it again and they got test

837
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:21,840
makeup tests and maybe in the new
movie. Yeah, maybe it's gonna happen

838
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:30,800
Kingdom wait a sec, I was
gonna click it doesn't count. Doesn't count.

839
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:35,559
I was blinking, Oh you playing
like this? That's the video version,

840
00:55:36,039 --> 00:55:39,280
tear Phil. What would you rate
this movie Battle of the Apes?

841
00:55:40,679 --> 00:55:49,719
Oh, I would probably go I'd
probably go like, uh, seven and

842
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:52,800
a half out of ten. I
feel I feel, I feel good about

843
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:57,800
this. I rewatch it, and
I think it it serves an interesting place

844
00:55:58,159 --> 00:56:04,239
in the timeline as where things were
at one point, where things are gonna

845
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:07,119
go and just saying seeing our characters
and getting to know too that at this

846
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:10,519
point where the logover's telling the story, it's in the air like two thousand

847
00:56:12,039 --> 00:56:15,719
something, as we mentioned earlier,
and shit goes down in three thousand,

848
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:20,880
seven hundreds. So yeah, I
just think that there's there's good messaging in

849
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:22,920
this. While it is definitely a
rushed film, and it could have done

850
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:29,280
with some more honed down, refined
storylines and maybe even put in like an

851
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:32,119
extra fifteen minutes. I would have
appreciated that just to flesh out some of

852
00:56:32,159 --> 00:56:37,400
the more important storylines that we got
would have made it a whole lot better.

853
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:43,480
But that being said, I think
it's it's a good enough conclusion to

854
00:56:43,679 --> 00:56:49,159
this five movie arc of this Planet
of the Apes franchise. So I'm happy

855
00:56:49,199 --> 00:56:54,599
with us having completed the number one
to five, and I've been so excited

856
00:56:54,599 --> 00:56:58,119
for the Tim Burton one. I
can't wait to get to that one next.

857
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:01,920
Oh your just remember that a bunch. Yeah, it's gonna be something

858
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:07,639
I'll go because maybe I have a
heart or a lower Scoreland Kirkland, I'm

859
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:12,400
like a six point seven five.
It's almost a seven almost there. But

860
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:15,360
there's just a few things that I
wish was needed more and again seven is

861
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:17,159
a movie where it's like I would
watch a bunch over. This is one

862
00:57:17,199 --> 00:57:21,480
that I think I would watch in
the series. I think i'd watch of

863
00:57:21,519 --> 00:57:27,599
course Apes, I've watched it before. I would watch. I don't know

864
00:57:27,599 --> 00:57:30,719
about the other ones really, but
I think I would be more inclined.

865
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:36,559
Like if I couldn't put on the
first one, there's two others that I

866
00:57:36,599 --> 00:57:38,119
would put on before this one,
right, So that's where I kind of

867
00:57:38,159 --> 00:57:43,039
go where Okay, I think it
is more mid tier one definitely not the

868
00:57:43,079 --> 00:57:45,079
lowest. So yeah, that's where
I am. Six point si F.

869
00:57:45,079 --> 00:57:47,079
I just can't get it quite to
the seven, but still enjoyed, still

870
00:57:47,119 --> 00:57:51,320
enjoyed some of the themes, and
just just love this playing the Apes,

871
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:53,440
this original series. I'm glad we
got to do it. And like I

872
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:58,199
said, I will always watch the
five together. Even though I think after

873
00:57:58,199 --> 00:58:00,079
the retro, I think watching at
this age show probably skip too from now

874
00:58:00,119 --> 00:58:04,559
and I don't know if I need
to do that again, but this one

875
00:58:04,679 --> 00:58:07,639
I would not skip. It's in
there. I'm a little underwhelmed at some

876
00:58:07,679 --> 00:58:10,199
points, but it still is going
for some heavy themes, classic planning ape

877
00:58:10,199 --> 00:58:15,519
style, So for sure, Yeah, I think I'm like right there with

878
00:58:15,559 --> 00:58:19,159
you, like six point seven five, six and a half. I think

879
00:58:19,199 --> 00:58:23,440
I was like a little bit lower, but Taylor's explanation of that little time

880
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:27,840
travel theory. Actually maybe enjoy this
a little bit more in hindsight. I

881
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:32,079
like that idea of this kind of
being like a different timeline of just because

882
00:58:32,079 --> 00:58:37,880
of certain things that took place,
certain certain steps, maybe like Caesar coming

883
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:42,280
into play. I think it's just
fun to think back on. Well,

884
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:45,559
because we just watched these five movies
that are kind of fresh in my mind,

885
00:58:45,679 --> 00:58:49,280
I like that idea a little bit
so a little bit lower coming into

886
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:52,760
this, but uh yeah, that
upgraded it to maybe like a six point

887
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:57,480
seven five. I just think there's
like a lot of weakness with the humans,

888
00:58:57,519 --> 00:59:01,199
the mutant humans. This is a
better telling maybe than the brainyacts that

889
00:59:01,239 --> 00:59:06,239
we got in the second movie but
just don't like them, and just a

890
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:09,280
lot more potential that they didn't really
go for. Well maybe they went for

891
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:13,519
it. Didn't hit though for me
at least, But yeah, I think

892
00:59:13,559 --> 00:59:15,320
I'm pretty happy with that. I'm
glad it's not like a fail to round

893
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:21,000
out the five movies that would have
kind of maybe left a little bitter taste

894
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:23,480
in my mouth. But I'm very
excited for the Tim Burton one because that

895
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:29,199
that is one that I really only
remember like one or two scenes. I

896
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:32,480
think I think it'll come back as
I'm watching it, but like pretty much

897
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:36,639
just the ending like that, like
that ending shot is just so vivid in

898
00:59:36,639 --> 00:59:39,599
my mind. I don't know why, but yeah, I'm very excited for

899
00:59:39,639 --> 00:59:43,880
it. Yeah, I think it's
gonna be a good one for the quality

900
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:45,960
film, all the actors in it. I think it's a very interesting time

901
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:51,039
in Tim Burton's career because I was
just I think you could argue it might

902
00:59:51,079 --> 00:59:53,679
be the least Tim Burdeny film of
all time, and I feel like I

903
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:57,719
have to look, I haven't prepared
this argument, but I wonder if Plant

904
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:01,360
Apes is the one that broke him
and stop getting great Tim burn after playing

905
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:04,960
The Apes. I know there's there's
lots to talk about with that movie.

906
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:07,960
I think there's definitely some bold swings
there, So I think I don't think

907
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:09,360
it's gonna be like a complete shitfist. I think it's just gonna be like

908
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:15,239
it's it's it's a very interesting route
that they took and I think we're on

909
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:17,480
a better path now. But I
think it's gonna be a really good episode,

910
01:00:17,519 --> 01:00:21,280
so look out for that. We'll
be back with that very soon.

911
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:23,280
And I promise you and I'll i'll
be boring B