Hello, and welcome to the show on Martin willis your host, and you
are getting a prerecorded show on this one here because I'm actually traveling. I'm
at a place where I know that I'm not going to be able to do
a show, So this show has been prerecorded. And unfortunate, I couldn't
have al Hunter Rojas on for UFO News because it would be outdated by the
time that he would be on, and so it's just myself and a great
guest, worry me Ray from Colorado. He was on Hanger One. He
was a co host on Hanger One. He's a star team investigator for a
Move On. We're going to be talking about all kinds of things, his
own experiences and much more. It's a regular show as far as time goes,
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So this show also we will be running a course on KGr A Radio
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it doesn't run on that as well, so and for the YouTube listeners,
it will be posted at some point on YouTube, but of course not the
regular time slot. So that's it for me. And I'm welcome, welcoming
you to the show. Jeremy, how are you doing? Good? Good
morning, good morning. Well it's good wherever where at the time this gets
posted? Yes, and now I met you at the move On symposium,
uh down in Cherry Hill and uh that was that was a real blast.
And I know you're a good friend of Tony and uh Tony Andre and Jelino
and Ben Moss, so that that scares me right there. Actually, no,
they're great guys. I love them. Yeah, yeah, so yeah,
yeah, they're a lot of fun. So hey, can you tell
um, for the person that doesn't know who you are? Basically, can
you tell, uh, just explain who you are and how you get involved
and well how you got involved in UFOs as a whole nother story. We'll
talk about that as Yeah. Well, um, I joined move On in
two thousand oh how long has it been? Two thousand and six? And
I joined a volunteer to be a UFO investigator because I had my own personal
experiences growing up, and I wanted to learn about what other people were experiencing.
And that's that's where I started in California and I was an investigator there
for about three years, and then I moved to Texas and I was an
investigator there for a while, and then I moved to Denver. So I
hopped around states and always been with mouf On. There was a time back
in two thousand and eight where there was this project called the SIP Project where
Robert Bigelow from Bigelow Aerospace came in and started funding UFO research. I was
a part of that and that was that was very interesting. And then later
on down the road, I was asked to be on hanger one the UFO
files and that's actually where I met Tony and Ben because I was in Texas
during the time and they were in Virginia. So moved, I scanned everywhere.
R I probably would have never met him if it maybe bumped into him
at a at a symposium like yourself, but we just got it. We
hand it off pretty well on the set. Uh huh um. So where
in California were you for a while? Northern California, Yeah, Sacramento.
Uh huh I lived. I lived up north of there for Tibron. I
don't know if you know where that is, uh Sasolito to run you know
that area Mill Valley, UM. And so the reason I brought that up
is because I know that California has the most sightings in the United States.
Also by far it has, uh to this show is the number one listening
state. Of course it's a big population there, but um, you know
California's one, New York's two. Of course those that are high populated UM
states. But um, there are a lot of UFO sightings there. I
mean a lot. And so that must have kept you pretty busy. It
was actually probably the most really up a sightings I've seen was in Sacramento area.
And I'm talking like right off five north, right on the highways.
A lot of the sightings you look at a map, you know, I
five runs north and south the subdivision neighborhoods that are right adjacent to it for
these people reporting UFOs. And I remember talking to a couple of UFO investigators
about it, and we were just trying to figure out why the concentration of
sightings on that on that major highway and maybe some people came somebody came with
the idea that maybe they just followed the road. You know that we can't
solve that one. It's just it's highly unusual. Um. I've actually done
some sky fishing in Sacramento where exactly it's where you have a high concentration of
sightings that people are reporting. So you's kind of like fishing. You set
up cameras, um, you plug it into a wall, make sure that
and then you just change tapes out um back in the day when I was
using tapes and uh, and then after that you go through the tedious process
of going through it and screening it a thing to see if you've caught anything.
You know, you may you may not see something with the eye naked
eye, but you might see it on film as that kind of certainly.
Yeah. Well or you can walk away, I see kind of boring,
you know, just to bury. But it's the hunt, right, Yeah.
I'm like, and actually you kind of learned from doing all this because
I was kind of a new investigator back then. An insect might fly up
in front of your camera, yeah, and it's not focused right, and
it looks like as far away and it looks like it's hovering, so you
kind of learned. It was a learning process for me to to do that.
I did that for about four or five months, UM and I and
I've caught a couple of strange things that that made me think, Wow,
you know, these things are up here all the time. We're just we'd
never look up, and we're always looking down at our phones and stuff.
But you know, I thought of I have these kind of weird thoughts sometimes
I can't help it. But like I have an observation deck at my house,
in a telescope, and I go out there every once in a while,
and sometimes I you know, sit on the chair and just look out.
It's overlooking the mountains and everything. But at night, you know,
I just see I can see the Milky Way. It's really a clear sky
where I am in Maine. And I sometimes think, I wonder, what
is the weirdest thing in time that's gone over here? You know, I
mean, because I'm just there a little teeny fraction of a moment, you
know. And but if you were stationed out there every single night, you
know, what would you see? You'd probably see something unusual, because you
know, there have in my area, there have been some sightings and I
haven't seen anything here, but a neighbor said they saw a triangle, you
know, fly over and they said it was small, but it was definitely
a triangle, you know, it was small because it was so high,
they thought. But I don't know as far as sightings, there are some
in my area, but so did you actually, I know, I would
really like to talk about your childhood sighting when you were sixteen, But when
you were in the Sacramento area and you were doing this filming, did you
actually have sightings as well or just things you found on film? Sightings in
and caught some things on film that or not explosive. But I actually during
two I think it was year two thousand and seven. I don't know what
was going on that year, but I would call that the year or UFOs.
During my time and move on, sightings were off the hook. I
was seeing strange things. I was out there, you know, you're you're
out there trying to catch it and I'm and I've actually had Actually it wasn't
in my place where I was skyfishing. I was on a case and this
guy kept it was in the Laguna area. It's a south part of Sacramento,
and he kept saying he was catching these UFOs every day, and he
was catching them on film, and some of the stuff he had seemed very
interesting. Some of it was kind of questionable. You can't really tell what
it was. So I went over to his house and set up my own
cameras in his backyard and we were out there talking trying to see if anything.
I never noticed it until I took the video footage home, but there
was a There was like this saucer. It looked like two pie plates,
I mean like a pipe plate stacked on top of each other, zipped right
into the view. And when it it just goes like this zip and then
disappears right. But when you slow it down and you look at it,
you could see it going like this while it's moving. I mean, it's
like so fast, but it almost looks like it's driving a wave. When
he slowed it down and it stopped, and even when I zoomed back out
on the camera, you can still see the object out there as a dot.
And when I zoomed back in. But the crazy thing about it is
I never noticed it was there. Neither did eat very silver mccallic like with
the stuff you see in most of those videos you see in Mexico. And
that was pretty interesting when you're out there doing something and you catch something but
you don't even notice that it was there. And I was I was always
kind of curious, did they know that we were out there trying to find
him or does this happen all the time in this area? So you want
to spend more time setting up more cameras and see if you can catch more.
But I was a dead end. But I did catch something very strange
at the guy's house. Wow, I don't Yeah, No, there's a
there's a lot of people working on UFO detection and you know that stationary cameras
and with other equipment to you know, take readings. And I know Chris
O'Brien has something in the works. Then there's of course Mark d Antonio working
on something, so hopefully something will happen. And I know there's also that
computer program that anyone can download, and I forget exactly the name of that,
where you can basically set your camera to the your webcam. I don't
know. I've heard something about that. Alejandro Rojas was talking about it,
and as far as the sighting I had was actually in California that got me
interested into this whole topic. And it was two thousand and six. You
know, I say that, but I was working a lot. If I
can get the date, I mean, it would be hard to believe if
I got the date wrong, if it could be two thousand and seven.
But I was doing a lot of work in the Carmel Valley area. And
I was actually relaxing in Carmel Valley at a neighbor's ranch and had a disc
come right over me with a like a blue glow and basically stopped and then
then moved off toward Monterey. And I called the police department because I didn't
know. I had absolutely no idea that there was a place online you could
go and report something. So I called the police department. They put me
on hold, and the woman was real sarcastic, and I basically hung up
fifteen minutes later. I didn't wait any longer. So, but that my
sighting is kind of bland, but it's definitely unexplainable, you know. I
mean, I just was looking up. And I've said this a number of
times when I talk about it. The most let's see, bizarre thing I
could say about that sighting at the time was Wow, this thing is moving.
There's absolutely no noise. And I didn't know that was part of what
a lot of other people would would say too until I started looking into it
and I go, wow, so it's not unusual. There was no noise.
So yeah, their propulsion, whatever it is that we're seeing. The
propulsion is hard to imagine what it is if you know, even if it's
not something else. You know, some people think it's something we haven't thought
of yet, you know that we're actually seeing who knows. Yeah, I
thought that option too. Yeah. Yeah, So let's see we have We're
going to be taking a break in a little while here, but can you
we're about halfway through the first segment. Can you talk about your childhood sighting?
Because I listened to I listened to it on another show and it's really
fascinating. Oh yeah, sure. It was March twenty ninety six. I'll
never forget that day for the rest of my life. Not life changing.
I was walking over to a friend's house. It was spring break and I
was sixteen at the time, but my buddy had had a license in a
pickup truck, so we were going to go down to the beach and do
what everybody does on spring break. In text, it's the South Padre Island.
That's where everybody goes. But anyway, just to say that didn't happen,
because this UFO screwed up my whole spring break vacation. I was going
nowhere. But so I was walking through the neighborhood and I came around a
corner and it was about three o'clock in the afternoon, so the sun's like
kind of in this direction, and I looked up and there was this object
that was under the sun, and it was bright. I could sketch it
and draw it for you, but it was basically oval shape like this,
and it had these things coming out. So I stood there for about five
minutes. It was a long five minutes trying to figure out what this was.
And I couldn't figure out what it was. And it was about one
hundred feet off the ground, so I got a pretty good look at it.
It's just when I was following the leading edge of the lines, it
was becoming more transparent, so it was almost like it was invisible. The
best way to subscribe is like if you're if you see the sunlight hit the
chrome of your bumper, you know, when you're walking in the park lot,
and how it follows you, how it looks. That's how bright it
was. It was brighter than the sun, but it didn't hurt your eyes
to look at it. It's kind of strange. So I said, you
know, this is highly unusual. I'm gonna get a grown up to tell
me what this is so I can go on about my day. So I
started ringing doorbells getting people out of the house. The first neighbor I never
met him before. His name is Dick Guns. He came out. I
didn't have a shirt on, and I said, I introduced myself, and
I said, Hi, my name is Jeremy Ray. I'm your neighbor down
the street. Blah blah. He's like, yeah, yeah, i've seen
you move the yard. I said, yeah, well, I was just
walking through. I'm sorry to bother you, but I was just walking through
and I see this strange thing and I can't I can't figure out what it
is. And I'm pointing to it. He interrupted me, goes, oh
my god, and then goes back inside and close the door. And I
was like, that was that's a little eccentric. I'll go I'll go ring
another doorbell, I'll get somebody out here to talk to me. So I
walked, I started to leave his yard, and he comes out with clothes
on, and he's got a camera and his wife's with them and they're grabbing
sunglasses. So I mean, he just looked at the objecting went oh my
god, and then didn't even talk to me. Went in. So I
started thinking, well, you know, they've been on this planet longer than
me. They'll they'll tell me what this is. What is this? And
basically he was like, I said, do you know what this is?
And he's shaking his head, goes, no, I don't know what this
is, but whatever this is is very very special, Jeremy, and we're
going to try to get a picture of it. And so it was kind
of interesting. So I got some grown ups now freaking out, and I'm
the one that's being calm. So usually they'll see things like this. So
I'm just standing there and he's winding up this little camera. It's like a
disposable camera that we used to GI used to buy the store. I think
they still sell those things as Kodak disposable fingers. How much time Do I
have them on the clock. Oh? Yeah, we got plenty of time.
Okay. So anyway, he goes up to take the picture, the
first picture, but before oh, let me back up. Before he did,
I started to walk forward. The objects started to back up, and
he said that, oh, hey, it's moving. It's moving. It's
moving, And I found that interesting. So I backed up and the object
started coming forward. And when I moved across the street, it followed me
across the street. And when I moved back over to Dick, it followed
me right over to Dick. So Dick, it was like, just be
still, someone, you get a picture. As soon as he brought the
camera back up to take a picture, the here's the sun, and here's
the object, right, it floated. It went up into the sun to
where we couldn't get a picture. I could see the leading leading things going
like this, you couldn't see the main object. So I thought it was
going to leave, and I said, Dick put a camera down, and
as soon as he brought it down to the side, the object dropped back
to the original position and where it was at. By that time we knew
it was under some kind of intelligent control and so we were all set standing
or gaping, and I was thinking, you know, I need to get
more eye witnesses. So I went over. I flanked it. I ran
around the backside. Actually I tried to back up so the object would go
over them so they could look up to see what it was. But it
stopped before it went over them. It's like, so they were standing here,
I backed up. It was following me, but then it stopped.
It never would go over anybody. So that's when I flanked around and rang
missus Ladwick's doorbell and she came out and I said, you're not I believe
this, but we don't know what this is. And I think we think
of it's a UFO. We've been at Keep in mind, we've been out
here for about fifteen minutes watching this thing. Long that long three o'clock in
the afternoon, busy day, there were cars driving through the neighborhood. I
remember tapping on someone's They slowed down, wondering why people are in the road.
I remember saying I said, look up, look up, and then
ladies just looking at me like I'm crazy, Like what's wrong with this kid?
Nobody even looked up. It was just right there, but I think
I had two cars guilt through the neighborhood during next time. But yeah,
she miss Ladwick totally went freaked out, said oh my god, and walked
straight towards the UFO and she got under it. And when she did,
that's when it took off. And really, now you talk about being quiet,
right, I want to add the quiet part to it. There was
absolutely no sound, but also how fast it took off and there was no
wind, there was no burst to knock us down. It was the best
way I describe it is. I don't it's hard to tell how big this
object was because but if you had like a rubber band and I held the
other end and we let go of it, yeah, that's what it looked
like. It looked like it folded upon itself. But it basically it was
a white thing like this, and it had lines. But then all of
a sudden, when it took off, it went purple, pink and blue,
and it looked like scales of a snake, you know, like snakes
have scales, And that was all lightened up really pretty colors. But it
was so quick and then it just clapsed on it and I remember when it
lit up it got real bright. Everybody's shadows got dark. I mean it
was like a big flash. And then it was gone, no wind,
no sound, nothing, and we were like just stunned. And how many
were their total out there? It was it just it was missus Lodwick,
his daughter, her daughter, but the daughter was kind of young and went
back inside. You know, I probably didn't want to hang out with the
grown ups, Dick and his wife and me. So wow, so five
altogether. And when that excuse me, when that it sounds like it was
like morphing or something. I mean, it just sounds like it looked like,
actually, did you actually see it go in a direction or did it
disappear? It was so fast it disappeared, but it could have went in
a direction. It looked like it was taken off. I don't know how.
But it also took off so fast that it looked like it collapsed on
himself. So if you're looking at an object, let's say, like up
in space that's like the square, and then it or up in the sky
and it takes off the space and it's really bright, it's just gonna look
like it got small. Yeah, it's so quick, and that's I don't
know if it realized something was wrong with this cloaking and cloaked the ship right
there in front of us, or it just went invisible, which would explain
why we didn't get knocked back. But there was no noise. But it
looked like a flash of lightning, is how bright it was. And it
was gone now. But I've never seen purple, pink and blue in those
scales like it went. It's like going, it's real quick. Wow.
When you said it looked like I had strings hanging out, what exactly can
you try to describe that a little bit better? So if I had an
object like this and there was a string attached to it, another string and
we tightened it, you know what I mean, That's what it looked like,
except it wasn't strings. It was more like like a laser beam or
just a beam of light that slowly started to become more transparent at the leading
edge. I see, I just felt its strings because that was that was
That's what I called it. As a kid, I was trying to figure
out what that was, but it was it almost to me looked like whatever
was that was up there was partially invisible and the sun was hitting an object
just right that we were able to see part of the craft that could have
been what I was seeing. It was cloaked, but for some reason I
was able to see it. That's that's what I think. And then they
so what was everyone else's reaction? Like that was watching? I mean,
huh, Well, I went. I was so amped up. I ran
home to find my mother and she wasn't home, and I called my grandmother,
say, find my mom, it's an emergency. Well, he didn't
have cell phones back then. Mom came home with an uncle that we hadn't
seen or I've never met before, so we had company at the house and
I stormed in there. I go, Mom, mean I could blew what
happened, blah blah blah about the UFO, And I remember her drinking coffee
and going, that's great, son, that's wonderful, and she continued on
to talk to my uncle. And I think that's probably the first bad word
I ever said in as at that age. But I remember saying, how
much coffee you got, Mom? And she goes, I've got a whole
pot. I go, good, don't blanking drink it. And then I
left, and I remember her saying get back here. Get back here because
I knew I was in trouble, but I needed to get her attention.
Yeah, so I went over and got my neighbors. I said, y'all
got to come over and tell my mom. She doesn't believe this, you
know, she doesn't. She just blew me off and they go sure.
Now keep in mind, my mom never met these neighbors. This is about
twelve houses down the street. So I invited missus Ladwick and Dick inside of
the house. Now, I remember the awkward moment of my mom talking to
my uncle and then kind of called off guard. We got company in the
house. Hi, how you doing? And then there's an eerie moment of
silence, awkwardness, but no one was talking. And I remember I was
pouring coffee, you know, and I was like, tell them what happened.
So they both told my mother, and I think my mother was in
denial at the time, but it was so good that I had eyewitnesses.
Nobody would ever believe me, you know, kid running in, you know,
And I never made up stories like that anyway. I just couldn't believe
that my mother would blow me off. When I'm panicking like that, I
think I don't know what she was thinking at the time. She told she
did she ever believe them too? Or did she thrill when they came in?
You've never met them and you've got two different neighbors coming in. Yes,
I was with them, and they were more stunned like me. But
she knew something was up. She said she was disturbed by it. Not
because believe in UFOs, just the fact is, what if that thing could
have taken her son. I remember saying that to me, like, my
baby, what if it did something? You know? So she was more
concerned on a safety issue. But yeah, it was such a life changing
event that even to this day, we still talk about it. If when
I talk at or I go home, the neighbors want to rekindle the old
memories of that day. So, now, did anyone call, like a
newspaper or anything like that. Yes, uh, I think it's mister guns
Um spelled the G but could be John, but miss the dick. Dick
called the weather company and called Um called around, calls the newspaper. This
is when things get strange. It was when he's started calling. Oh yeah,
story gets better, but this but um. So anyway, he took
two photographs. Okay, and I saw both of them, and I have
a copy of a copy of it where it's the blue sky and it's like
it's like this. And then there was one right over Miss Lavitt's house where
you can see the object right above it and you can get a good distance
it's right above the treeline. Wow, we had two of those. He
had two of those pictures. Um, I had one of them. So
the next day he went and develop the film, and then I had a
copy of the picture the next day. And I remember at three o'clock I
went out there and they were out there sitting in the lawn chairs. So
they were out there the next day at three o'clock because it was three o'clock
of the phone back, come back right, So I would say probably a
month after that, or a couple of months after this ends, then somebody
broke into Dick's house and all they took was the whole stack of pictures.
Because remember you get him into books and he had negatives. His EA's house
was so organized they probably had OCD by the power ten. Everything was dressed
right, dressed, all the books, everything, There was not one book
sticking out. Everything's per carpet clean. It was just a very clean house.
I believe him when he says he knew where he put it. He
put it in the top drawer, and all the photos were gone. I
was really mad about that, because anything else taken or just that just that.
Wow, that's very suspicious, isn't it. Well, this is where
it gets weird. Mine disappeared around the same time, too, and that
was gold to me. Gold. Okay, my mother, I thought,
my mother, I remember laying it right there. I had a spot where
I kept it. I thought maybe she threw it away and she never saw
it. It's just what I remember seeing it one day, and then the
next day I didn't see it anymore, and I thought somebody moved it or
put it somewhere. But it's the same week when Dick had his house broken
into. My photo was missing, too, even though I took it down
to the mall back then when we had this photo place where they had color
printers, which was a big deal back then. Yeah, any many many
copies of it, but I don't have the original anymore. Wow. Yeah.
Well, okay, well, look we'll continue to talk about that.
We're ready to go on break, so hang on everyone, We'll be right
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