WEBVTT 1 00:00:27.559 --> 00:00:31.000 Hello, and welcome to the show on Martin willis your host, and you 2 00:00:31.039 --> 00:00:37.719 are getting a prerecorded show on this one here because I'm actually traveling. I'm 3 00:00:37.759 --> 00:00:40.119 at a place where I know that I'm not going to be able to do 4 00:00:40.200 --> 00:00:48.159 a show, So this show has been prerecorded. And unfortunate, I couldn't 5 00:00:48.159 --> 00:00:52.439 have al Hunter Rojas on for UFO News because it would be outdated by the 6 00:00:52.479 --> 00:00:59.159 time that he would be on, and so it's just myself and a great 7 00:00:59.200 --> 00:01:04.079 guest, worry me Ray from Colorado. He was on Hanger One. He 8 00:01:04.159 --> 00:01:07.519 was a co host on Hanger One. He's a star team investigator for a 9 00:01:07.560 --> 00:01:11.760 Move On. We're going to be talking about all kinds of things, his 10 00:01:11.920 --> 00:01:17.159 own experiences and much more. It's a regular show as far as time goes, 11 00:01:18.280 --> 00:01:21.799 and I want to thank everyone that helps out and supports the show. 12 00:01:21.920 --> 00:01:26.439 Anyone can do that, and the information is over on podcast ufo dot com. 13 00:01:26.920 --> 00:01:30.480 So this show also we will be running a course on KGr A Radio 14 00:01:32.120 --> 00:01:37.680 and at the regular time slot that's six to eight pm Eastern Standard time on 15 00:01:37.719 --> 00:01:42.439 Tuesday. And also it's going to be on the DarkMatter Digital network as well 16 00:01:44.000 --> 00:01:48.400 and another radio station. I keep asking for more information on that, but 17 00:01:48.439 --> 00:01:53.480 it doesn't run on that as well, so and for the YouTube listeners, 18 00:01:53.239 --> 00:01:57.400 it will be posted at some point on YouTube, but of course not the 19 00:01:57.519 --> 00:02:02.040 regular time slot. So that's it for me. And I'm welcome, welcoming 20 00:02:02.120 --> 00:02:06.040 you to the show. Jeremy, how are you doing? Good? Good 21 00:02:06.079 --> 00:02:09.759 morning, good morning. Well it's good wherever where at the time this gets 22 00:02:09.800 --> 00:02:15.159 posted? Yes, and now I met you at the move On symposium, 23 00:02:15.639 --> 00:02:20.960 uh down in Cherry Hill and uh that was that was a real blast. 24 00:02:21.000 --> 00:02:25.199 And I know you're a good friend of Tony and uh Tony Andre and Jelino 25 00:02:25.599 --> 00:02:32.599 and Ben Moss, so that that scares me right there. Actually, no, 26 00:02:32.680 --> 00:02:38.879 they're great guys. I love them. Yeah, yeah, so yeah, 27 00:02:38.000 --> 00:02:40.560 yeah, they're a lot of fun. So hey, can you tell 28 00:02:42.039 --> 00:02:46.000 um, for the person that doesn't know who you are? Basically, can 29 00:02:46.080 --> 00:02:49.879 you tell, uh, just explain who you are and how you get involved 30 00:02:49.879 --> 00:02:53.199 and well how you got involved in UFOs as a whole nother story. We'll 31 00:02:53.199 --> 00:02:57.800 talk about that as Yeah. Well, um, I joined move On in 32 00:02:57.879 --> 00:03:01.800 two thousand oh how long has it been? Two thousand and six? And 33 00:03:01.879 --> 00:03:07.599 I joined a volunteer to be a UFO investigator because I had my own personal 34 00:03:07.639 --> 00:03:10.960 experiences growing up, and I wanted to learn about what other people were experiencing. 35 00:03:12.400 --> 00:03:17.680 And that's that's where I started in California and I was an investigator there 36 00:03:17.680 --> 00:03:22.280 for about three years, and then I moved to Texas and I was an 37 00:03:22.319 --> 00:03:24.319 investigator there for a while, and then I moved to Denver. So I 38 00:03:24.360 --> 00:03:32.439 hopped around states and always been with mouf On. There was a time back 39 00:03:32.479 --> 00:03:38.879 in two thousand and eight where there was this project called the SIP Project where 40 00:03:38.960 --> 00:03:45.520 Robert Bigelow from Bigelow Aerospace came in and started funding UFO research. I was 41 00:03:45.560 --> 00:03:49.599 a part of that and that was that was very interesting. And then later 42 00:03:49.639 --> 00:03:53.639 on down the road, I was asked to be on hanger one the UFO 43 00:03:53.639 --> 00:03:57.960 files and that's actually where I met Tony and Ben because I was in Texas 44 00:03:58.039 --> 00:04:00.120 during the time and they were in Virginia. So moved, I scanned everywhere. 45 00:04:00.400 --> 00:04:03.919 R I probably would have never met him if it maybe bumped into him 46 00:04:03.960 --> 00:04:08.400 at a at a symposium like yourself, but we just got it. We 47 00:04:08.479 --> 00:04:12.439 hand it off pretty well on the set. Uh huh um. So where 48 00:04:12.479 --> 00:04:17.000 in California were you for a while? Northern California, Yeah, Sacramento. 49 00:04:17.360 --> 00:04:23.920 Uh huh I lived. I lived up north of there for Tibron. I 50 00:04:24.000 --> 00:04:27.519 don't know if you know where that is, uh Sasolito to run you know 51 00:04:27.600 --> 00:04:31.279 that area Mill Valley, UM. And so the reason I brought that up 52 00:04:31.360 --> 00:04:36.120 is because I know that California has the most sightings in the United States. 53 00:04:36.120 --> 00:04:43.560 Also by far it has, uh to this show is the number one listening 54 00:04:43.600 --> 00:04:46.040 state. Of course it's a big population there, but um, you know 55 00:04:46.240 --> 00:04:50.160 California's one, New York's two. Of course those that are high populated UM 56 00:04:50.319 --> 00:04:55.959 states. But um, there are a lot of UFO sightings there. I 57 00:04:56.000 --> 00:05:00.560 mean a lot. And so that must have kept you pretty busy. It 58 00:05:00.639 --> 00:05:06.040 was actually probably the most really up a sightings I've seen was in Sacramento area. 59 00:05:06.079 --> 00:05:10.920 And I'm talking like right off five north, right on the highways. 60 00:05:10.959 --> 00:05:13.639 A lot of the sightings you look at a map, you know, I 61 00:05:13.800 --> 00:05:18.160 five runs north and south the subdivision neighborhoods that are right adjacent to it for 62 00:05:18.319 --> 00:05:23.839 these people reporting UFOs. And I remember talking to a couple of UFO investigators 63 00:05:23.839 --> 00:05:27.079 about it, and we were just trying to figure out why the concentration of 64 00:05:27.199 --> 00:05:32.399 sightings on that on that major highway and maybe some people came somebody came with 65 00:05:32.399 --> 00:05:36.759 the idea that maybe they just followed the road. You know that we can't 66 00:05:36.759 --> 00:05:42.160 solve that one. It's just it's highly unusual. Um. I've actually done 67 00:05:42.160 --> 00:05:47.759 some sky fishing in Sacramento where exactly it's where you have a high concentration of 68 00:05:47.879 --> 00:05:51.120 sightings that people are reporting. So you's kind of like fishing. You set 69 00:05:51.199 --> 00:05:56.519 up cameras, um, you plug it into a wall, make sure that 70 00:05:56.639 --> 00:06:00.759 and then you just change tapes out um back in the day when I was 71 00:06:00.800 --> 00:06:06.040 using tapes and uh, and then after that you go through the tedious process 72 00:06:06.079 --> 00:06:11.839 of going through it and screening it a thing to see if you've caught anything. 73 00:06:12.040 --> 00:06:15.120 You know, you may you may not see something with the eye naked 74 00:06:15.120 --> 00:06:16.959 eye, but you might see it on film as that kind of certainly. 75 00:06:17.199 --> 00:06:23.439 Yeah. Well or you can walk away, I see kind of boring, 76 00:06:23.800 --> 00:06:29.199 you know, just to bury. But it's the hunt, right, Yeah. 77 00:06:28.040 --> 00:06:30.519 I'm like, and actually you kind of learned from doing all this because 78 00:06:30.560 --> 00:06:35.040 I was kind of a new investigator back then. An insect might fly up 79 00:06:35.079 --> 00:06:38.560 in front of your camera, yeah, and it's not focused right, and 80 00:06:38.639 --> 00:06:41.360 it looks like as far away and it looks like it's hovering, so you 81 00:06:41.399 --> 00:06:45.199 kind of learned. It was a learning process for me to to do that. 82 00:06:45.240 --> 00:06:48.920 I did that for about four or five months, UM and I and 83 00:06:48.959 --> 00:06:56.480 I've caught a couple of strange things that that made me think, Wow, 84 00:06:56.680 --> 00:06:59.439 you know, these things are up here all the time. We're just we'd 85 00:06:59.480 --> 00:07:03.199 never look up, and we're always looking down at our phones and stuff. 86 00:07:03.639 --> 00:07:09.560 But you know, I thought of I have these kind of weird thoughts sometimes 87 00:07:09.560 --> 00:07:14.199 I can't help it. But like I have an observation deck at my house, 88 00:07:14.319 --> 00:07:15.959 in a telescope, and I go out there every once in a while, 89 00:07:15.959 --> 00:07:19.639 and sometimes I you know, sit on the chair and just look out. 90 00:07:20.120 --> 00:07:23.439 It's overlooking the mountains and everything. But at night, you know, 91 00:07:23.480 --> 00:07:26.680 I just see I can see the Milky Way. It's really a clear sky 92 00:07:26.759 --> 00:07:31.199 where I am in Maine. And I sometimes think, I wonder, what 93 00:07:31.399 --> 00:07:34.240 is the weirdest thing in time that's gone over here? You know, I 94 00:07:34.279 --> 00:07:39.839 mean, because I'm just there a little teeny fraction of a moment, you 95 00:07:39.879 --> 00:07:43.959 know. And but if you were stationed out there every single night, you 96 00:07:43.959 --> 00:07:47.839 know, what would you see? You'd probably see something unusual, because you 97 00:07:47.879 --> 00:07:53.079 know, there have in my area, there have been some sightings and I 98 00:07:53.079 --> 00:07:58.360 haven't seen anything here, but a neighbor said they saw a triangle, you 99 00:07:58.399 --> 00:08:01.560 know, fly over and they said it was small, but it was definitely 100 00:08:01.560 --> 00:08:03.319 a triangle, you know, it was small because it was so high, 101 00:08:03.319 --> 00:08:09.160 they thought. But I don't know as far as sightings, there are some 102 00:08:09.279 --> 00:08:13.879 in my area, but so did you actually, I know, I would 103 00:08:13.920 --> 00:08:18.680 really like to talk about your childhood sighting when you were sixteen, But when 104 00:08:18.680 --> 00:08:24.279 you were in the Sacramento area and you were doing this filming, did you 105 00:08:24.319 --> 00:08:28.560 actually have sightings as well or just things you found on film? Sightings in 106 00:08:28.959 --> 00:08:37.200 and caught some things on film that or not explosive. But I actually during 107 00:08:37.679 --> 00:08:43.559 two I think it was year two thousand and seven. I don't know what 108 00:08:43.639 --> 00:08:46.360 was going on that year, but I would call that the year or UFOs. 109 00:08:46.519 --> 00:08:50.320 During my time and move on, sightings were off the hook. I 110 00:08:50.440 --> 00:08:54.080 was seeing strange things. I was out there, you know, you're you're 111 00:08:54.080 --> 00:08:58.879 out there trying to catch it and I'm and I've actually had Actually it wasn't 112 00:08:58.879 --> 00:09:01.840 in my place where I was skyfishing. I was on a case and this 113 00:09:03.000 --> 00:09:07.440 guy kept it was in the Laguna area. It's a south part of Sacramento, 114 00:09:07.559 --> 00:09:11.840 and he kept saying he was catching these UFOs every day, and he 115 00:09:11.879 --> 00:09:13.840 was catching them on film, and some of the stuff he had seemed very 116 00:09:13.879 --> 00:09:18.600 interesting. Some of it was kind of questionable. You can't really tell what 117 00:09:18.639 --> 00:09:22.200 it was. So I went over to his house and set up my own 118 00:09:22.240 --> 00:09:30.840 cameras in his backyard and we were out there talking trying to see if anything. 119 00:09:31.399 --> 00:09:35.080 I never noticed it until I took the video footage home, but there 120 00:09:35.120 --> 00:09:37.919 was a There was like this saucer. It looked like two pie plates, 121 00:09:39.000 --> 00:09:41.799 I mean like a pipe plate stacked on top of each other, zipped right 122 00:09:41.879 --> 00:09:48.080 into the view. And when it it just goes like this zip and then 123 00:09:48.279 --> 00:09:50.679 disappears right. But when you slow it down and you look at it, 124 00:09:52.080 --> 00:09:54.320 you could see it going like this while it's moving. I mean, it's 125 00:09:54.360 --> 00:09:58.399 like so fast, but it almost looks like it's driving a wave. When 126 00:09:58.440 --> 00:10:03.840 he slowed it down and it stopped, and even when I zoomed back out 127 00:10:03.879 --> 00:10:05.879 on the camera, you can still see the object out there as a dot. 128 00:10:07.200 --> 00:10:09.960 And when I zoomed back in. But the crazy thing about it is 129 00:10:09.279 --> 00:10:15.679 I never noticed it was there. Neither did eat very silver mccallic like with 130 00:10:15.840 --> 00:10:18.519 the stuff you see in most of those videos you see in Mexico. And 131 00:10:20.120 --> 00:10:24.759 that was pretty interesting when you're out there doing something and you catch something but 132 00:10:24.919 --> 00:10:28.320 you don't even notice that it was there. And I was I was always 133 00:10:28.399 --> 00:10:31.000 kind of curious, did they know that we were out there trying to find 134 00:10:31.080 --> 00:10:35.840 him or does this happen all the time in this area? So you want 135 00:10:35.840 --> 00:10:39.039 to spend more time setting up more cameras and see if you can catch more. 136 00:10:39.320 --> 00:10:43.720 But I was a dead end. But I did catch something very strange 137 00:10:43.720 --> 00:10:46.120 at the guy's house. Wow, I don't Yeah, No, there's a 138 00:10:46.240 --> 00:10:52.559 there's a lot of people working on UFO detection and you know that stationary cameras 139 00:10:52.600 --> 00:10:58.399 and with other equipment to you know, take readings. And I know Chris 140 00:10:58.399 --> 00:11:05.240 O'Brien has something in the works. Then there's of course Mark d Antonio working 141 00:11:05.399 --> 00:11:09.200 on something, so hopefully something will happen. And I know there's also that 142 00:11:09.279 --> 00:11:13.360 computer program that anyone can download, and I forget exactly the name of that, 143 00:11:15.360 --> 00:11:22.080 where you can basically set your camera to the your webcam. I don't 144 00:11:22.120 --> 00:11:24.799 know. I've heard something about that. Alejandro Rojas was talking about it, 145 00:11:26.000 --> 00:11:31.559 and as far as the sighting I had was actually in California that got me 146 00:11:31.600 --> 00:11:39.000 interested into this whole topic. And it was two thousand and six. You 147 00:11:39.039 --> 00:11:41.600 know, I say that, but I was working a lot. If I 148 00:11:41.639 --> 00:11:43.879 can get the date, I mean, it would be hard to believe if 149 00:11:43.879 --> 00:11:46.120 I got the date wrong, if it could be two thousand and seven. 150 00:11:46.440 --> 00:11:50.639 But I was doing a lot of work in the Carmel Valley area. And 151 00:11:50.639 --> 00:11:56.399 I was actually relaxing in Carmel Valley at a neighbor's ranch and had a disc 152 00:11:56.559 --> 00:12:01.360 come right over me with a like a blue glow and basically stopped and then 153 00:12:01.679 --> 00:12:09.000 then moved off toward Monterey. And I called the police department because I didn't 154 00:12:09.039 --> 00:12:11.759 know. I had absolutely no idea that there was a place online you could 155 00:12:11.799 --> 00:12:16.639 go and report something. So I called the police department. They put me 156 00:12:16.679 --> 00:12:22.200 on hold, and the woman was real sarcastic, and I basically hung up 157 00:12:22.240 --> 00:12:26.399 fifteen minutes later. I didn't wait any longer. So, but that my 158 00:12:26.480 --> 00:12:31.840 sighting is kind of bland, but it's definitely unexplainable, you know. I 159 00:12:31.879 --> 00:12:35.000 mean, I just was looking up. And I've said this a number of 160 00:12:35.039 --> 00:12:41.960 times when I talk about it. The most let's see, bizarre thing I 161 00:12:41.960 --> 00:12:46.440 could say about that sighting at the time was Wow, this thing is moving. 162 00:12:46.480 --> 00:12:50.039 There's absolutely no noise. And I didn't know that was part of what 163 00:12:50.159 --> 00:12:54.320 a lot of other people would would say too until I started looking into it 164 00:12:54.360 --> 00:12:56.480 and I go, wow, so it's not unusual. There was no noise. 165 00:12:58.320 --> 00:13:03.200 So yeah, their propulsion, whatever it is that we're seeing. The 166 00:13:03.399 --> 00:13:07.840 propulsion is hard to imagine what it is if you know, even if it's 167 00:13:07.919 --> 00:13:13.519 not something else. You know, some people think it's something we haven't thought 168 00:13:13.559 --> 00:13:16.120 of yet, you know that we're actually seeing who knows. Yeah, I 169 00:13:16.159 --> 00:13:22.679 thought that option too. Yeah. Yeah, So let's see we have We're 170 00:13:22.720 --> 00:13:24.960 going to be taking a break in a little while here, but can you 171 00:13:26.960 --> 00:13:31.639 we're about halfway through the first segment. Can you talk about your childhood sighting? 172 00:13:31.679 --> 00:13:37.159 Because I listened to I listened to it on another show and it's really 173 00:13:37.200 --> 00:13:41.600 fascinating. Oh yeah, sure. It was March twenty ninety six. I'll 174 00:13:41.639 --> 00:13:45.559 never forget that day for the rest of my life. Not life changing. 175 00:13:46.120 --> 00:13:50.360 I was walking over to a friend's house. It was spring break and I 176 00:13:50.399 --> 00:13:52.600 was sixteen at the time, but my buddy had had a license in a 177 00:13:52.639 --> 00:13:58.039 pickup truck, so we were going to go down to the beach and do 178 00:13:58.159 --> 00:14:01.440 what everybody does on spring break. In text, it's the South Padre Island. 179 00:14:01.559 --> 00:14:03.320 That's where everybody goes. But anyway, just to say that didn't happen, 180 00:14:03.919 --> 00:14:09.360 because this UFO screwed up my whole spring break vacation. I was going 181 00:14:09.399 --> 00:14:13.039 nowhere. But so I was walking through the neighborhood and I came around a 182 00:14:13.080 --> 00:14:16.399 corner and it was about three o'clock in the afternoon, so the sun's like 183 00:14:18.320 --> 00:14:20.559 kind of in this direction, and I looked up and there was this object 184 00:14:20.559 --> 00:14:26.000 that was under the sun, and it was bright. I could sketch it 185 00:14:26.039 --> 00:14:28.720 and draw it for you, but it was basically oval shape like this, 186 00:14:28.840 --> 00:14:33.679 and it had these things coming out. So I stood there for about five 187 00:14:33.720 --> 00:14:37.080 minutes. It was a long five minutes trying to figure out what this was. 188 00:14:37.399 --> 00:14:39.759 And I couldn't figure out what it was. And it was about one 189 00:14:39.799 --> 00:14:43.639 hundred feet off the ground, so I got a pretty good look at it. 190 00:14:43.639 --> 00:14:46.240 It's just when I was following the leading edge of the lines, it 191 00:14:46.320 --> 00:14:50.200 was becoming more transparent, so it was almost like it was invisible. The 192 00:14:50.240 --> 00:14:52.799 best way to subscribe is like if you're if you see the sunlight hit the 193 00:14:52.879 --> 00:14:56.440 chrome of your bumper, you know, when you're walking in the park lot, 194 00:14:56.480 --> 00:14:58.080 and how it follows you, how it looks. That's how bright it 195 00:14:58.240 --> 00:15:01.559 was. It was brighter than the sun, but it didn't hurt your eyes 196 00:15:01.600 --> 00:15:05.080 to look at it. It's kind of strange. So I said, you 197 00:15:05.080 --> 00:15:09.639 know, this is highly unusual. I'm gonna get a grown up to tell 198 00:15:09.679 --> 00:15:11.200 me what this is so I can go on about my day. So I 199 00:15:11.200 --> 00:15:16.320 started ringing doorbells getting people out of the house. The first neighbor I never 200 00:15:16.360 --> 00:15:22.759 met him before. His name is Dick Guns. He came out. I 201 00:15:22.799 --> 00:15:24.399 didn't have a shirt on, and I said, I introduced myself, and 202 00:15:24.399 --> 00:15:28.000 I said, Hi, my name is Jeremy Ray. I'm your neighbor down 203 00:15:28.080 --> 00:15:30.480 the street. Blah blah. He's like, yeah, yeah, i've seen 204 00:15:30.480 --> 00:15:31.279 you move the yard. I said, yeah, well, I was just 205 00:15:31.399 --> 00:15:33.720 walking through. I'm sorry to bother you, but I was just walking through 206 00:15:35.000 --> 00:15:37.879 and I see this strange thing and I can't I can't figure out what it 207 00:15:37.919 --> 00:15:39.440 is. And I'm pointing to it. He interrupted me, goes, oh 208 00:15:39.480 --> 00:15:43.879 my god, and then goes back inside and close the door. And I 209 00:15:43.000 --> 00:15:48.240 was like, that was that's a little eccentric. I'll go I'll go ring 210 00:15:48.279 --> 00:15:50.679 another doorbell, I'll get somebody out here to talk to me. So I 211 00:15:50.759 --> 00:15:54.840 walked, I started to leave his yard, and he comes out with clothes 212 00:15:54.879 --> 00:15:56.879 on, and he's got a camera and his wife's with them and they're grabbing 213 00:15:56.919 --> 00:16:00.000 sunglasses. So I mean, he just looked at the objecting went oh my 214 00:16:00.080 --> 00:16:03.440 god, and then didn't even talk to me. Went in. So I 215 00:16:03.480 --> 00:16:07.000 started thinking, well, you know, they've been on this planet longer than 216 00:16:07.039 --> 00:16:11.200 me. They'll they'll tell me what this is. What is this? And 217 00:16:11.399 --> 00:16:12.720 basically he was like, I said, do you know what this is? 218 00:16:12.799 --> 00:16:15.559 And he's shaking his head, goes, no, I don't know what this 219 00:16:15.679 --> 00:16:19.639 is, but whatever this is is very very special, Jeremy, and we're 220 00:16:19.639 --> 00:16:22.440 going to try to get a picture of it. And so it was kind 221 00:16:22.440 --> 00:16:26.960 of interesting. So I got some grown ups now freaking out, and I'm 222 00:16:27.000 --> 00:16:32.240 the one that's being calm. So usually they'll see things like this. So 223 00:16:32.279 --> 00:16:36.159 I'm just standing there and he's winding up this little camera. It's like a 224 00:16:36.200 --> 00:16:37.919 disposable camera that we used to GI used to buy the store. I think 225 00:16:37.919 --> 00:16:42.519 they still sell those things as Kodak disposable fingers. How much time Do I 226 00:16:42.559 --> 00:16:45.679 have them on the clock. Oh? Yeah, we got plenty of time. 227 00:16:45.919 --> 00:16:48.000 Okay. So anyway, he goes up to take the picture, the 228 00:16:48.039 --> 00:16:52.840 first picture, but before oh, let me back up. Before he did, 229 00:16:52.440 --> 00:16:56.639 I started to walk forward. The objects started to back up, and 230 00:16:56.679 --> 00:16:59.879 he said that, oh, hey, it's moving. It's moving. It's 231 00:17:00.000 --> 00:17:03.759 moving, And I found that interesting. So I backed up and the object 232 00:17:03.759 --> 00:17:07.359 started coming forward. And when I moved across the street, it followed me 233 00:17:07.400 --> 00:17:11.440 across the street. And when I moved back over to Dick, it followed 234 00:17:11.440 --> 00:17:12.640 me right over to Dick. So Dick, it was like, just be 235 00:17:12.680 --> 00:17:15.960 still, someone, you get a picture. As soon as he brought the 236 00:17:15.960 --> 00:17:18.799 camera back up to take a picture, the here's the sun, and here's 237 00:17:18.839 --> 00:17:22.799 the object, right, it floated. It went up into the sun to 238 00:17:22.799 --> 00:17:26.640 where we couldn't get a picture. I could see the leading leading things going 239 00:17:26.680 --> 00:17:30.440 like this, you couldn't see the main object. So I thought it was 240 00:17:30.480 --> 00:17:32.720 going to leave, and I said, Dick put a camera down, and 241 00:17:32.759 --> 00:17:34.880 as soon as he brought it down to the side, the object dropped back 242 00:17:34.880 --> 00:17:38.480 to the original position and where it was at. By that time we knew 243 00:17:38.519 --> 00:17:42.759 it was under some kind of intelligent control and so we were all set standing 244 00:17:42.839 --> 00:17:45.559 or gaping, and I was thinking, you know, I need to get 245 00:17:45.599 --> 00:17:49.920 more eye witnesses. So I went over. I flanked it. I ran 246 00:17:51.000 --> 00:17:55.200 around the backside. Actually I tried to back up so the object would go 247 00:17:55.279 --> 00:17:57.359 over them so they could look up to see what it was. But it 248 00:17:57.480 --> 00:18:02.480 stopped before it went over them. It's like, so they were standing here, 249 00:18:02.759 --> 00:18:04.400 I backed up. It was following me, but then it stopped. 250 00:18:04.440 --> 00:18:10.400 It never would go over anybody. So that's when I flanked around and rang 251 00:18:10.480 --> 00:18:15.759 missus Ladwick's doorbell and she came out and I said, you're not I believe 252 00:18:15.799 --> 00:18:18.039 this, but we don't know what this is. And I think we think 253 00:18:18.039 --> 00:18:21.440 of it's a UFO. We've been at Keep in mind, we've been out 254 00:18:21.480 --> 00:18:26.319 here for about fifteen minutes watching this thing. Long that long three o'clock in 255 00:18:26.359 --> 00:18:30.200 the afternoon, busy day, there were cars driving through the neighborhood. I 256 00:18:30.240 --> 00:18:33.920 remember tapping on someone's They slowed down, wondering why people are in the road. 257 00:18:34.160 --> 00:18:37.119 I remember saying I said, look up, look up, and then 258 00:18:37.200 --> 00:18:38.920 ladies just looking at me like I'm crazy, Like what's wrong with this kid? 259 00:18:40.599 --> 00:18:42.079 Nobody even looked up. It was just right there, but I think 260 00:18:42.079 --> 00:18:47.400 I had two cars guilt through the neighborhood during next time. But yeah, 261 00:18:47.519 --> 00:18:52.200 she miss Ladwick totally went freaked out, said oh my god, and walked 262 00:18:52.200 --> 00:18:56.079 straight towards the UFO and she got under it. And when she did, 263 00:18:56.160 --> 00:19:00.000 that's when it took off. And really, now you talk about being quiet, 264 00:19:00.720 --> 00:19:02.680 right, I want to add the quiet part to it. There was 265 00:19:02.680 --> 00:19:07.920 absolutely no sound, but also how fast it took off and there was no 266 00:19:07.960 --> 00:19:11.119 wind, there was no burst to knock us down. It was the best 267 00:19:11.160 --> 00:19:15.839 way I describe it is. I don't it's hard to tell how big this 268 00:19:15.920 --> 00:19:19.599 object was because but if you had like a rubber band and I held the 269 00:19:19.599 --> 00:19:22.400 other end and we let go of it, yeah, that's what it looked 270 00:19:22.440 --> 00:19:27.240 like. It looked like it folded upon itself. But it basically it was 271 00:19:27.240 --> 00:19:30.400 a white thing like this, and it had lines. But then all of 272 00:19:30.440 --> 00:19:33.160 a sudden, when it took off, it went purple, pink and blue, 273 00:19:33.440 --> 00:19:37.359 and it looked like scales of a snake, you know, like snakes 274 00:19:37.359 --> 00:19:40.519 have scales, And that was all lightened up really pretty colors. But it 275 00:19:40.559 --> 00:19:44.640 was so quick and then it just clapsed on it and I remember when it 276 00:19:44.720 --> 00:19:48.960 lit up it got real bright. Everybody's shadows got dark. I mean it 277 00:19:48.039 --> 00:19:52.640 was like a big flash. And then it was gone, no wind, 278 00:19:52.079 --> 00:19:59.720 no sound, nothing, and we were like just stunned. And how many 279 00:19:59.720 --> 00:20:03.119 were their total out there? It was it just it was missus Lodwick, 280 00:20:03.240 --> 00:20:06.480 his daughter, her daughter, but the daughter was kind of young and went 281 00:20:06.519 --> 00:20:08.480 back inside. You know, I probably didn't want to hang out with the 282 00:20:08.480 --> 00:20:14.000 grown ups, Dick and his wife and me. So wow, so five 283 00:20:14.039 --> 00:20:21.119 altogether. And when that excuse me, when that it sounds like it was 284 00:20:21.160 --> 00:20:23.799 like morphing or something. I mean, it just sounds like it looked like, 285 00:20:23.880 --> 00:20:26.960 actually, did you actually see it go in a direction or did it 286 00:20:27.000 --> 00:20:33.240 disappear? It was so fast it disappeared, but it could have went in 287 00:20:33.279 --> 00:20:38.359 a direction. It looked like it was taken off. I don't know how. 288 00:20:38.599 --> 00:20:42.440 But it also took off so fast that it looked like it collapsed on 289 00:20:42.519 --> 00:20:47.759 himself. So if you're looking at an object, let's say, like up 290 00:20:47.799 --> 00:20:49.839 in space that's like the square, and then it or up in the sky 291 00:20:51.000 --> 00:20:52.839 and it takes off the space and it's really bright, it's just gonna look 292 00:20:52.880 --> 00:20:59.000 like it got small. Yeah, it's so quick, and that's I don't 293 00:20:59.039 --> 00:21:03.680 know if it realized something was wrong with this cloaking and cloaked the ship right 294 00:21:03.680 --> 00:21:07.240 there in front of us, or it just went invisible, which would explain 295 00:21:07.279 --> 00:21:11.200 why we didn't get knocked back. But there was no noise. But it 296 00:21:11.200 --> 00:21:14.160 looked like a flash of lightning, is how bright it was. And it 297 00:21:14.200 --> 00:21:17.960 was gone now. But I've never seen purple, pink and blue in those 298 00:21:18.000 --> 00:21:22.200 scales like it went. It's like going, it's real quick. Wow. 299 00:21:22.640 --> 00:21:26.799 When you said it looked like I had strings hanging out, what exactly can 300 00:21:26.839 --> 00:21:30.240 you try to describe that a little bit better? So if I had an 301 00:21:30.240 --> 00:21:33.440 object like this and there was a string attached to it, another string and 302 00:21:33.480 --> 00:21:37.200 we tightened it, you know what I mean, That's what it looked like, 303 00:21:37.319 --> 00:21:41.480 except it wasn't strings. It was more like like a laser beam or 304 00:21:41.599 --> 00:21:45.519 just a beam of light that slowly started to become more transparent at the leading 305 00:21:45.599 --> 00:21:49.799 edge. I see, I just felt its strings because that was that was 306 00:21:49.920 --> 00:21:52.880 That's what I called it. As a kid, I was trying to figure 307 00:21:52.880 --> 00:21:56.200 out what that was, but it was it almost to me looked like whatever 308 00:21:56.480 --> 00:22:00.559 was that was up there was partially invisible and the sun was hitting an object 309 00:22:00.680 --> 00:22:06.319 just right that we were able to see part of the craft that could have 310 00:22:06.359 --> 00:22:10.319 been what I was seeing. It was cloaked, but for some reason I 311 00:22:10.359 --> 00:22:15.039 was able to see it. That's that's what I think. And then they 312 00:22:15.160 --> 00:22:18.279 so what was everyone else's reaction? Like that was watching? I mean, 313 00:22:18.680 --> 00:22:23.200 huh, Well, I went. I was so amped up. I ran 314 00:22:23.319 --> 00:22:29.400 home to find my mother and she wasn't home, and I called my grandmother, 315 00:22:29.519 --> 00:22:32.319 say, find my mom, it's an emergency. Well, he didn't 316 00:22:32.359 --> 00:22:36.160 have cell phones back then. Mom came home with an uncle that we hadn't 317 00:22:36.200 --> 00:22:40.319 seen or I've never met before, so we had company at the house and 318 00:22:40.359 --> 00:22:41.359 I stormed in there. I go, Mom, mean I could blew what 319 00:22:41.400 --> 00:22:45.440 happened, blah blah blah about the UFO, And I remember her drinking coffee 320 00:22:45.440 --> 00:22:49.079 and going, that's great, son, that's wonderful, and she continued on 321 00:22:49.160 --> 00:22:53.240 to talk to my uncle. And I think that's probably the first bad word 322 00:22:55.119 --> 00:22:57.599 I ever said in as at that age. But I remember saying, how 323 00:22:57.680 --> 00:23:00.599 much coffee you got, Mom? And she goes, I've got a whole 324 00:23:00.599 --> 00:23:04.519 pot. I go, good, don't blanking drink it. And then I 325 00:23:04.680 --> 00:23:08.400 left, and I remember her saying get back here. Get back here because 326 00:23:08.400 --> 00:23:11.599 I knew I was in trouble, but I needed to get her attention. 327 00:23:11.799 --> 00:23:14.160 Yeah, so I went over and got my neighbors. I said, y'all 328 00:23:14.160 --> 00:23:15.960 got to come over and tell my mom. She doesn't believe this, you 329 00:23:17.000 --> 00:23:18.680 know, she doesn't. She just blew me off and they go sure. 330 00:23:18.920 --> 00:23:22.279 Now keep in mind, my mom never met these neighbors. This is about 331 00:23:22.319 --> 00:23:27.039 twelve houses down the street. So I invited missus Ladwick and Dick inside of 332 00:23:27.039 --> 00:23:30.680 the house. Now, I remember the awkward moment of my mom talking to 333 00:23:30.720 --> 00:23:33.440 my uncle and then kind of called off guard. We got company in the 334 00:23:33.480 --> 00:23:36.559 house. Hi, how you doing? And then there's an eerie moment of 335 00:23:36.599 --> 00:23:41.880 silence, awkwardness, but no one was talking. And I remember I was 336 00:23:41.920 --> 00:23:45.119 pouring coffee, you know, and I was like, tell them what happened. 337 00:23:45.240 --> 00:23:48.720 So they both told my mother, and I think my mother was in 338 00:23:48.799 --> 00:23:52.720 denial at the time, but it was so good that I had eyewitnesses. 339 00:23:52.799 --> 00:23:56.119 Nobody would ever believe me, you know, kid running in, you know, 340 00:23:56.160 --> 00:24:00.160 And I never made up stories like that anyway. I just couldn't believe 341 00:24:00.559 --> 00:24:03.559 that my mother would blow me off. When I'm panicking like that, I 342 00:24:03.599 --> 00:24:06.839 think I don't know what she was thinking at the time. She told she 343 00:24:07.079 --> 00:24:11.359 did she ever believe them too? Or did she thrill when they came in? 344 00:24:11.839 --> 00:24:15.559 You've never met them and you've got two different neighbors coming in. Yes, 345 00:24:15.599 --> 00:24:18.119 I was with them, and they were more stunned like me. But 346 00:24:18.240 --> 00:24:22.480 she knew something was up. She said she was disturbed by it. Not 347 00:24:22.599 --> 00:24:26.920 because believe in UFOs, just the fact is, what if that thing could 348 00:24:26.960 --> 00:24:30.319 have taken her son. I remember saying that to me, like, my 349 00:24:30.359 --> 00:24:32.720 baby, what if it did something? You know? So she was more 350 00:24:33.119 --> 00:24:37.400 concerned on a safety issue. But yeah, it was such a life changing 351 00:24:37.480 --> 00:24:44.000 event that even to this day, we still talk about it. If when 352 00:24:44.039 --> 00:24:48.440 I talk at or I go home, the neighbors want to rekindle the old 353 00:24:48.440 --> 00:24:52.680 memories of that day. So, now, did anyone call, like a 354 00:24:52.720 --> 00:24:59.880 newspaper or anything like that. Yes, uh, I think it's mister guns 355 00:25:00.319 --> 00:25:04.079 Um spelled the G but could be John, but miss the dick. Dick 356 00:25:04.160 --> 00:25:11.319 called the weather company and called Um called around, calls the newspaper. This 357 00:25:11.359 --> 00:25:14.359 is when things get strange. It was when he's started calling. Oh yeah, 358 00:25:14.400 --> 00:25:18.319 story gets better, but this but um. So anyway, he took 359 00:25:18.319 --> 00:25:22.240 two photographs. Okay, and I saw both of them, and I have 360 00:25:22.319 --> 00:25:25.839 a copy of a copy of it where it's the blue sky and it's like 361 00:25:26.079 --> 00:25:29.640 it's like this. And then there was one right over Miss Lavitt's house where 362 00:25:29.640 --> 00:25:32.559 you can see the object right above it and you can get a good distance 363 00:25:32.559 --> 00:25:34.519 it's right above the treeline. Wow, we had two of those. He 364 00:25:34.559 --> 00:25:38.440 had two of those pictures. Um, I had one of them. So 365 00:25:38.480 --> 00:25:41.000 the next day he went and develop the film, and then I had a 366 00:25:41.039 --> 00:25:45.440 copy of the picture the next day. And I remember at three o'clock I 367 00:25:45.480 --> 00:25:48.400 went out there and they were out there sitting in the lawn chairs. So 368 00:25:48.440 --> 00:25:51.240 they were out there the next day at three o'clock because it was three o'clock 369 00:25:51.240 --> 00:25:56.559 of the phone back, come back right, So I would say probably a 370 00:25:56.599 --> 00:26:00.920 month after that, or a couple of months after this ends, then somebody 371 00:26:00.960 --> 00:26:06.079 broke into Dick's house and all they took was the whole stack of pictures. 372 00:26:06.079 --> 00:26:10.440 Because remember you get him into books and he had negatives. His EA's house 373 00:26:10.519 --> 00:26:15.559 was so organized they probably had OCD by the power ten. Everything was dressed 374 00:26:15.759 --> 00:26:18.000 right, dressed, all the books, everything, There was not one book 375 00:26:18.039 --> 00:26:22.119 sticking out. Everything's per carpet clean. It was just a very clean house. 376 00:26:22.200 --> 00:26:25.519 I believe him when he says he knew where he put it. He 377 00:26:25.599 --> 00:26:29.200 put it in the top drawer, and all the photos were gone. I 378 00:26:29.240 --> 00:26:33.720 was really mad about that, because anything else taken or just that just that. 379 00:26:33.279 --> 00:26:37.680 Wow, that's very suspicious, isn't it. Well, this is where 380 00:26:37.680 --> 00:26:40.880 it gets weird. Mine disappeared around the same time, too, and that 381 00:26:40.960 --> 00:26:45.400 was gold to me. Gold. Okay, my mother, I thought, 382 00:26:45.440 --> 00:26:48.400 my mother, I remember laying it right there. I had a spot where 383 00:26:48.440 --> 00:26:52.440 I kept it. I thought maybe she threw it away and she never saw 384 00:26:52.480 --> 00:26:53.759 it. It's just what I remember seeing it one day, and then the 385 00:26:53.759 --> 00:26:57.200 next day I didn't see it anymore, and I thought somebody moved it or 386 00:26:57.240 --> 00:27:00.680 put it somewhere. But it's the same week when Dick had his house broken 387 00:27:00.680 --> 00:27:04.240 into. My photo was missing, too, even though I took it down 388 00:27:04.279 --> 00:27:10.440 to the mall back then when we had this photo place where they had color 389 00:27:10.480 --> 00:27:15.759 printers, which was a big deal back then. Yeah, any many many 390 00:27:15.799 --> 00:27:19.039 copies of it, but I don't have the original anymore. Wow. Yeah. 391 00:27:19.079 --> 00:27:22.599 Well, okay, well, look we'll continue to talk about that. 392 00:27:22.640 --> 00:27:26.200 We're ready to go on break, so hang on everyone, We'll be right 393 00:27:26.240 --> 00:27:30.640 back Well, that's it for the free part of the show. Thank you 394 00:27:30.720 --> 00:27:34.200 so much for listening. And I'm not sure what show is coming up next 395 00:27:34.200 --> 00:27:37.200 week, so I can't announce that now, but if you want to check 396 00:27:37.240 --> 00:27:42.200 out the website on this coming Sunday, it should be up there anyway, 397 00:27:44.160 --> 00:27:45.559 Thanks so much for listening. Remember, if you want to listen to the 398 00:27:45.559 --> 00:27:48.759 full shows, all that takes is a couple of bucks a month. That 399 00:27:48.880 --> 00:27:52.599 information is over on podcast viewfo dot com. 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