WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.240 --> 00:00:05.200 This episode may contain content of a graphic nature, including descriptions of physical and 2 00:00:05.240 --> 00:00:10.560 sexual violence against adults, children, and animals. Listener discretion is advised. 3 00:00:12.720 --> 00:00:17.199 Hi everyone, I'm Talia and I'm Tanya, and together we are Crimes and 4 00:00:17.239 --> 00:00:38.079 Consequences, a true crime podcast. Welcome back, everyone to another episode of 5 00:00:38.119 --> 00:00:42.920 Crimes and Consequences. I'm Tanya and I'm Tealia, my lovely co host. 6 00:00:43.479 --> 00:00:49.359 We are a couple of lawyers who enjoy discussing true crime cases in detail. 7 00:00:49.479 --> 00:00:54.039 In detail, Yes, and often each other, right with all the awful 8 00:00:54.039 --> 00:00:58.479 things that people do. Before I get into today's story, I would just 9 00:00:58.560 --> 00:01:02.479 like to remind everyone hit the like button subscribe whatever app you're listening to, 10 00:01:03.039 --> 00:01:06.159 If you could do that, that would be wonderful. And I'd like to 11 00:01:06.200 --> 00:01:11.040 thank True Crime Daily for hosting us. Yes, and I have a horrible 12 00:01:11.079 --> 00:01:14.879 story today. That's awful. Yeah. It takes place in hon Do I 13 00:01:14.920 --> 00:01:18.159 want to hear it? Yes, takes place in Honolulu. And we just 14 00:01:18.239 --> 00:01:22.400 had an episode a couple episodes ago about Lisa Ao. Yeah, and that 15 00:01:22.480 --> 00:01:26.359 was in Honolulu. So I'm going to tell you this one today. Okay, 16 00:01:26.400 --> 00:01:27.920 all right, you're ready, I'm ready, all right, before that, 17 00:01:29.120 --> 00:01:37.760 if everybody could hit the subscribe like follow love yeah button whatever, that'd 18 00:01:37.760 --> 00:01:42.359 be great. So on November second, nineteen ninety nine, a nine to 19 00:01:42.400 --> 00:01:49.920 one to one call was placed into the Honolulu Police. The man calling told 20 00:01:49.239 --> 00:01:55.000 the emergency dispatch that there was a guy that he was at the Xerox corporation 21 00:01:55.760 --> 00:01:59.519 in Honolulu and there was a guy that came into the building with a gun. 22 00:02:00.040 --> 00:02:05.159 Oh. The man on the line was out of breath and he told 23 00:02:05.200 --> 00:02:07.240 them, you know, can you please get to this building in a surrey 24 00:02:07.879 --> 00:02:13.240 like because some of the employees have been shot and he was convinced that some 25 00:02:13.280 --> 00:02:17.520 of them were dead. The shooting took place just after eight am. And 26 00:02:17.960 --> 00:02:22.479 at the time, and we kind of talked about this a little bit with 27 00:02:22.560 --> 00:02:27.800 Lisa Ao, is that Hunlua police weren't really like heavily equipped to deal with 28 00:02:27.840 --> 00:02:30.719 like these type of emergencies. And this sounds like a mass shooting. Yeah 29 00:02:30.800 --> 00:02:36.039 yeah, And it sounds like a mass shooting. So you know, this 30 00:02:36.240 --> 00:02:40.879 small police department is now called to deal with this active shooter. So nobody 31 00:02:42.039 --> 00:02:46.719 who worked at Xerox at the time would ever suspect that forty year old Brian 32 00:02:46.960 --> 00:02:53.439 Yasuji would ever be capable of killing seven of his coworkers in cold blood, 33 00:02:53.520 --> 00:02:58.879 but he did it. He was considered to be introverted by everyone who worked 34 00:02:58.879 --> 00:03:00.919 with him. You got to watch out for the quiet one, right, 35 00:03:01.639 --> 00:03:06.039 and he has a puzzling history. So I'll tell you a little bit about 36 00:03:06.039 --> 00:03:09.039 Brian Okay. He was born in Honolulu in nineteen fifty nine and he was 37 00:03:09.159 --> 00:03:15.000 raised by his parents, who emigrated to Hawaii from Japan. The family settled 38 00:03:15.080 --> 00:03:22.240 into a neighborhood in Honolulu, and all of Brian's neighbors spoke about how quiet 39 00:03:22.240 --> 00:03:24.879 he was. According to them, he was a nice kid, but he 40 00:03:25.000 --> 00:03:30.080 kept to himself. He was quiet. Anything that he put his mind to, 41 00:03:30.159 --> 00:03:34.039 though, they said, he did extremely well, and he often helped 42 00:03:34.039 --> 00:03:38.199 his elderly neighbors out with like anything they needed done around the yard around their 43 00:03:38.240 --> 00:03:44.759 house. The woman who lived across the street from the family for thirty years 44 00:03:45.120 --> 00:03:49.400 spoke about him and said that he made his own furniture by hand. Wow, 45 00:03:49.479 --> 00:03:52.520 and the pieces were just again, I can't even get my kids to 46 00:03:52.560 --> 00:03:54.960 do the dishes, and he made his own furniture by hand, right, 47 00:03:55.560 --> 00:03:59.439 she said. You know, whenever she needed help, Brian would always come 48 00:03:59.520 --> 00:04:02.719 over to lend a hand, and she recalled how he just never looked angry, 49 00:04:02.800 --> 00:04:08.759 upset, like he just was like monotone right, right. So not 50 00:04:08.879 --> 00:04:13.560 a lot is known about Brian's childhood or even his early adult years. I 51 00:04:13.560 --> 00:04:16.519 mean I told you pretty much what I know. He has a brother named 52 00:04:16.519 --> 00:04:21.199 Dennis, and Dennis was a major asset to the police when this came down. 53 00:04:23.720 --> 00:04:30.600 Brian attended Roosevelt High School and he participated in some extracurricular activities such as 54 00:04:30.759 --> 00:04:36.199 the high school's junior rotc program. Okay, okay. He was also a 55 00:04:36.199 --> 00:04:43.399 member of the riflery team and this rifle. Yeah, he had a team. 56 00:04:43.680 --> 00:04:46.560 Yeah, and this was probably what would eventually spark his abassion. No, 57 00:04:46.720 --> 00:04:50.959 I don't think they do it either. I mean that's probably to school, 58 00:04:53.240 --> 00:04:59.000 yeah, and it would probably eventually spark his interest in firearms. Yes, 59 00:04:59.560 --> 00:05:02.160 those are When to school with Brian, talked about him kindly like he 60 00:05:02.240 --> 00:05:05.680 wasn't like the weird kid. They just said he was introverted, quiet, 61 00:05:05.720 --> 00:05:09.079 he stayed to himself. I mean, it was basically like the same things 62 00:05:09.079 --> 00:05:13.360 that the neighbors would say. He stayed out of trouble. Not long after, 63 00:05:13.439 --> 00:05:16.160 Brian went to high school. Not long after he graduated from high school, 64 00:05:16.480 --> 00:05:19.959 that was in nineteen seventy seven, he got into a really bad car 65 00:05:20.000 --> 00:05:26.639 accident one night from he was coming home from a graduation party. He was 66 00:05:26.720 --> 00:05:30.920 driving his dad's car and he crashed it on impact. He hit his head 67 00:05:30.639 --> 00:05:34.240 against the windshield. Really bad head injury. Yeah, And according to his 68 00:05:34.279 --> 00:05:39.439 brother dunnis like, Brian was never the same same after that. On a 69 00:05:39.600 --> 00:05:46.319 lot of stories where after head injuries they're never the same. Right around nineteen 70 00:05:46.360 --> 00:05:49.839 eighty four, Brian got a job working at Xerox as a copier technician. 71 00:05:49.959 --> 00:05:55.519 Like he would fix the machines. Along with working full time, Brian also 72 00:05:55.560 --> 00:06:00.920 had a hobby where he raised fish and he breeded coyfish and goldfish. Oh 73 00:06:00.959 --> 00:06:03.959 and once the fish got old enough, he would sell them to local pet 74 00:06:04.000 --> 00:06:11.079 store. The koyfish alone could get somewhere between ten dollars and twenty thousand dollars. 75 00:06:11.560 --> 00:06:15.839 I guess depending size rayfish. You know, it depends on their size, 76 00:06:15.879 --> 00:06:19.920 colored gender, you know, their genetics, their body shape. I 77 00:06:19.959 --> 00:06:23.680 had no idea this was a whole thing. We got to start that. 78 00:06:23.759 --> 00:06:27.040 I know, we need a coy pond to start with. A few years 79 00:06:27.079 --> 00:06:30.720 Prior to employment at Xerox, he started collecting guns, and at the time 80 00:06:30.720 --> 00:06:35.720 of the shootings in nineteen ninety nine, he had twenty five guns registered under 81 00:06:35.720 --> 00:06:42.120 his name. Well. According to Brian's father, his son was never the 82 00:06:42.160 --> 00:06:46.199 same once he started working for Xerox, but things seemed to get worse for 83 00:06:46.279 --> 00:06:49.959 Brian after his mother passed away in nineteen eighty eight. After his mother's death, 84 00:06:50.079 --> 00:06:57.000 Brian began complaining about a weird poking sensation in his head, which got 85 00:06:57.240 --> 00:07:01.560 worse when he was instructed to transfer to a different work group at Xerox. 86 00:07:01.879 --> 00:07:05.240 That's weird, I know, I wonderful it has to do with that accident. 87 00:07:05.360 --> 00:07:08.639 I wonder I know, I don't know. I don't know if he 88 00:07:08.680 --> 00:07:13.040 ever got it checked out either. Once in the new work group, Brian 89 00:07:14.000 --> 00:07:19.000 started to get a bit paranoid, and he began making harassment claims, like 90 00:07:19.079 --> 00:07:28.240 against his coworkers that seemed to be unfounded. He made complaints about fellow repairmen 91 00:07:28.680 --> 00:07:31.480 messing with, messing and tampering with his equipment, you know, the stuff 92 00:07:31.519 --> 00:07:34.000 that he was told to repair. And he would say like, well, 93 00:07:34.000 --> 00:07:39.519 they were messing with it, and they like sabotage, but they did or 94 00:07:39.519 --> 00:07:43.480 something right. Anytime he felt that someone was messing with him at work, 95 00:07:43.600 --> 00:07:46.920 he would get infuriated. And he was not the type of person really that 96 00:07:47.040 --> 00:07:53.040 dealt with anger in a proper way. There was you know, he really 97 00:07:53.079 --> 00:07:59.600 didn't compartmentalize, like he just wouldn't let it go. And they he seemed 98 00:07:59.639 --> 00:08:03.120 to have serious anger issues, like it seemed to be developing. I wonder 99 00:08:03.120 --> 00:08:07.600 if that's front alone. Yeah, you're right, because I think that's a 100 00:08:07.639 --> 00:08:11.720 sign, isn't it. Yeah. He would often make death threats to the 101 00:08:11.759 --> 00:08:16.759 people he felt harmed him. Okay, I mean I would think that would 102 00:08:16.759 --> 00:08:20.639 be grounds for firing. Yeah, maybe together, start making death threats, 103 00:08:20.720 --> 00:08:26.879 right, I mean fire you, I mean personally. I used to work 104 00:08:26.079 --> 00:08:30.519 in a large corporation, like before I became an attorney, and one of 105 00:08:30.560 --> 00:08:33.720 the people that I supervised got angry one day and he basically said something like 106 00:08:33.759 --> 00:08:37.639 he was going to go postal. Oh yeah, and a coworker mentioned it 107 00:08:37.679 --> 00:08:41.600 to HR and he got fired. I mean, I don't think he meant 108 00:08:41.679 --> 00:08:43.840 it. He was just frustrated, but he got fired for just saying it. 109 00:08:45.360 --> 00:08:48.639 Postl is a term that was used because of what happened in Royal Oak 110 00:08:48.720 --> 00:08:54.159 Michigan where not far from where we live. And the post the postman yea, 111 00:08:54.240 --> 00:09:00.320 yeah, postman shot everybody and that's yeah at the at the post office, 112 00:09:00.360 --> 00:09:03.600 and that's where the term going postal. Yeah, I mean my dad 113 00:09:03.679 --> 00:09:09.039 was the guy that declared him dead. Really wow, small world, I 114 00:09:09.039 --> 00:09:11.360 didn't know that story. You don't know that. I didn't. Yeah, 115 00:09:11.399 --> 00:09:16.440 he's on the dust certificate. Huh. Wow, I didn't know that. 116 00:09:16.039 --> 00:09:24.279 So, yeah, that's where going postal came from. So former employees at 117 00:09:24.320 --> 00:09:31.639 Xerox reported that members of Brian's work group often excluded and shunned Brian, and 118 00:09:31.679 --> 00:09:35.759 this made him feel left out and completely excluded from his work group. So 119 00:09:35.879 --> 00:09:39.759 I don't know if these are the same people he's making because I'm always I'm 120 00:09:39.759 --> 00:09:41.200 not going to hang out with you. If you're then yeah, and then 121 00:09:41.240 --> 00:09:45.919 you're going to HR or whoever saying that I'm like sabotaging you, and then 122 00:09:45.960 --> 00:09:48.519 you want to come to my party. Yeah, like exactly. He was 123 00:09:48.600 --> 00:09:54.519 never welcome into their social circle circles and this was the main reason I think 124 00:09:54.559 --> 00:09:58.759 that he felt the need to make these threats. Then like he's going and 125 00:09:58.799 --> 00:10:01.559 telling you know, HR or whoever. At the time that these things are 126 00:10:01.600 --> 00:10:07.720 happening, making these complaints, and then you know they're excluding him because of 127 00:10:07.759 --> 00:10:09.320 the complaints, and then he's saying, you know, he's going to kill 128 00:10:09.360 --> 00:10:11.480 you, kill you. So I mean, I can kind of it's a 129 00:10:11.559 --> 00:10:16.399 vicious cycle. I can kind of fuel on a fire. Yeah, but 130 00:10:16.440 --> 00:10:18.519 you know, nobody ever, and nobody at Xerox ever really thought that Brian 131 00:10:20.000 --> 00:10:24.039 would do it right right, would do it. In nineteen ninety three, 132 00:10:24.039 --> 00:10:28.919 Brian was ordered to go through a psychiatric evaluation along with anchor management training. 133 00:10:30.840 --> 00:10:35.919 This order came through this corporation after Brian got arrested for damaging an elevator door 134 00:10:37.360 --> 00:10:41.480 within the company. He got really pissed one day and literally kicked in the 135 00:10:41.519 --> 00:10:46.799 elevator door. Wow. Yeah, he was charged with third degree criminal property 136 00:10:46.879 --> 00:10:50.480 damage and he didn't get fired. Still didn't get fired. Well, damn, 137 00:10:50.879 --> 00:10:52.759 must be part of a union, I know. That's what I was 138 00:10:52.799 --> 00:10:58.200 thinking. I'm like, is this unionized or what. According to other fellow 139 00:10:58.240 --> 00:11:01.000 employees, Brian openly brand about the fact that he was going to come and 140 00:11:01.000 --> 00:11:05.320 shoot up the place if he were to ever be fired from Xerox. So 141 00:11:05.480 --> 00:11:11.200 I don't know if this is a deciding factor, I doubt keep somebody, 142 00:11:11.080 --> 00:11:15.000 you know, there's because I'm afraid if I fire him, they're going to 143 00:11:15.000 --> 00:11:20.440 shoot everybody I know, Like this is crazy. After his psychiatric evaluation, 144 00:11:20.080 --> 00:11:28.120 the psychiatrist diagnosed Brian with paranoia along with delusional disorder. And there's four types 145 00:11:28.159 --> 00:11:33.200 of delusions if you didn't know, there's I did not grandiose, jealousy, 146 00:11:33.879 --> 00:11:43.240 jealousy, delusion, aeromatic, air, toumatic, and persecor per per persecutory 147 00:11:43.480 --> 00:11:48.840 I'm sorry, yes, perscatory right, yes, and that being persecuted. 148 00:11:50.000 --> 00:11:54.679 Yes, that you're being persecuted. And that's the one that the psychiatrist said 149 00:11:54.720 --> 00:11:56.519 that he suffered from. So he felt like he's being persecuted. Yes, 150 00:11:56.559 --> 00:12:00.480 he felt like he was being persecuted, and he was paranoid on top of 151 00:12:00.519 --> 00:12:05.000 it. Even with these diagnoses, Brian was not considered to be dangerous though. 152 00:12:05.639 --> 00:12:11.159 Okay, he told the doctor he was experiencing hearing voices in his head 153 00:12:11.320 --> 00:12:18.519 and some hallucinations. According to Brian, a black shadow was constantly following him, 154 00:12:18.000 --> 00:12:22.600 and in nineteen ninety three he told his brother Dunnis that the shadow had 155 00:12:22.639 --> 00:12:26.679 actually become quite physical with him. That sounds like a paranoid that sounds like 156 00:12:26.720 --> 00:12:33.080 paranoid schizophrenia, right, I know, and the shadow pinned him down where 157 00:12:33.080 --> 00:12:37.799 he was unable to get back up. Brian also noted that there was a 158 00:12:37.840 --> 00:12:41.960 conspiracy against him and that the house was bugged like that was at home. 159 00:12:43.639 --> 00:12:48.639 He thought people were listening in on his conversations and actions around his home. 160 00:12:48.919 --> 00:12:52.120 You have a great aunt that has that, really, and they always family's 161 00:12:52.120 --> 00:12:58.480 always told her, nobody thinks that you're that interesting. They are not bugging 162 00:12:58.519 --> 00:13:01.679 yours, bugging house. They're going to be bored as hell, right, 163 00:13:01.879 --> 00:13:05.240 she just doesn't get it. Sure, they care so much about her. 164 00:13:07.960 --> 00:13:11.679 Yes, she's you know, she just cleans houses, right, like she 165 00:13:11.840 --> 00:13:15.519 got for the FBI or whatever. Yeah, it's not like she's you know, 166 00:13:15.840 --> 00:13:22.720 laundry or whatever. Oh man. He also felt strongly that and he 167 00:13:22.840 --> 00:13:28.039 was adamant that his coworkers were harassing him and they were backstabbers spreading rumors about 168 00:13:28.080 --> 00:13:33.240 him. In nineteen ninety seven, a couple of years before the shooting happened, 169 00:13:33.440 --> 00:13:37.840 Brian's family took him to visit a priest in the hopes of potentially helping 170 00:13:37.840 --> 00:13:41.919 Brian with his issues, evenor not like an exorcism, but like maybe someone 171 00:13:41.960 --> 00:13:48.320 to talk to. Even like even the pre sense that Brian had some mental 172 00:13:48.320 --> 00:13:52.480 issues and his dad was the one eventually urged him to like seek out mental 173 00:13:52.519 --> 00:13:58.639 health help, but Brian refused to get any treatment. In the months leading 174 00:13:58.679 --> 00:14:03.720 up to the murders, the management team at Xerox had been trying to phase 175 00:14:03.759 --> 00:14:07.440 out old technology while phasing in like brand new copiers. You know, they're 176 00:14:07.440 --> 00:14:13.240 getting rid of the old and they're updating their technology. Brian had gotten used 177 00:14:13.279 --> 00:14:16.840 to servicing the same equipment every day, you know, day in and day 178 00:14:16.879 --> 00:14:22.919 out, and he avoided and refused to learn how to fix the new machines 179 00:14:22.159 --> 00:14:26.840 that Xerox was bringing in. He was afraid he wouldn't be able to keep 180 00:14:26.919 --> 00:14:31.759 up with the potential demands that came along with the new machinery. And eventually 181 00:14:31.799 --> 00:14:37.080 Brian's manager just became fed up with this behavior. And you know, Brian 182 00:14:37.120 --> 00:14:41.840 news you adapt. Yeah, And because up to this point the manager had 183 00:14:41.879 --> 00:14:48.440 been working around Brian's negative responses to the new copier. And when the manager 184 00:14:48.480 --> 00:14:52.279 told him, Okay, you're going to start learning, he was going to 185 00:14:52.320 --> 00:14:56.840 start learning the following day, Like when you come into work tomorrow, we're 186 00:14:56.840 --> 00:15:01.039 going to start this training and that the next day happened to be November two, 187 00:15:01.519 --> 00:15:07.759 when the shootings happened. Brian would later tell the forensic psychiatrist that he 188 00:15:07.879 --> 00:15:11.480 was assigned from his trial that he was trying to get Xerox to refuse, 189 00:15:11.799 --> 00:15:16.360 not trying to get Zerox to fire him for refusing to take this training. 190 00:15:16.639 --> 00:15:18.679 Has he not learned Xerox not fire on him? I know he did all 191 00:15:20.879 --> 00:15:24.919 kicking the elevators, threatened us killing the coworkers, you know. Yeah. 192 00:15:26.360 --> 00:15:31.600 The morning of the shooting, shortly after eight o'clock in the morning on November 193 00:15:31.679 --> 00:15:35.840 second, Brian walked into the Xerox corporation, where he'd been employed for fifteen 194 00:15:35.919 --> 00:15:39.480 years. He greeted a fellow co worker as he walked into the building, 195 00:15:39.759 --> 00:15:45.200 you know, just like it was every other workday. After the pleasantries were 196 00:15:45.240 --> 00:15:50.120 through, he took his loaded nine millimeter glock handgun with him up to the 197 00:15:50.120 --> 00:15:54.320 second floor of the building, along with multiple rounds of ammunition. So I 198 00:15:54.360 --> 00:15:58.480 don't know if like he had extra clips, but he had a lot of 199 00:15:58.519 --> 00:16:03.320 ammunition. If you don't know about a glock, the glock is a semi 200 00:16:03.440 --> 00:16:08.360 automatic pistol and you can load it with hollow point bullets what that means. 201 00:16:08.440 --> 00:16:14.200 And a hollow point bullet they do a lot more damage than a standard bullet. 202 00:16:15.039 --> 00:16:18.320 It was he and this is what he loaded his gun with. He 203 00:16:18.399 --> 00:16:21.720 knew the bullets. What happens is like upon impact, they expand. Oh, 204 00:16:21.799 --> 00:16:25.919 they expand, and they caused so much more damage. Yeah. And 205 00:16:25.919 --> 00:16:29.720 when yeah, when they expand, the core of it just rips the jacket 206 00:16:29.799 --> 00:16:34.039 that's holding it in. So it leads to like a much much bigger damage, 207 00:16:34.159 --> 00:16:37.320 you know, much a wound. Yes, the wounds are larger, 208 00:16:37.679 --> 00:16:41.879 you know, the damage inside is larger, and you know, I mean 209 00:16:41.879 --> 00:16:45.879 it's ripping through soft tissue. Because I was saying in a nine millimeter isn't 210 00:16:45.879 --> 00:16:48.879 that big? No, right, it's not that big. But no, 211 00:16:48.919 --> 00:16:53.559 he loaded his gun with hollow point bullets, so you didn't need like big 212 00:16:53.600 --> 00:17:00.279 ammunition because it it became bigger with these bullets. At the time that he 213 00:17:00.320 --> 00:17:03.559 came into the building, there were only eleven people in the building, thank 214 00:17:03.559 --> 00:17:06.319 god, and over half of them, though, would be gunned down. 215 00:17:07.079 --> 00:17:11.200 The first room he went into was the computer room, which had three employees 216 00:17:11.200 --> 00:17:18.759 inside. There was Randal Shin, Ronald Kawamme, and Jason Balatico. Brian 217 00:17:18.839 --> 00:17:25.680 shot and killed both Ronald and Jason, but he spared Randall. He then 218 00:17:25.680 --> 00:17:27.680 made his way down to a conference room. Well did he spare Randall? 219 00:17:27.839 --> 00:17:30.400 I don't know. Maybe he didn't have a beef with Randal, That's what 220 00:17:30.480 --> 00:17:34.039 I'm thinking. Imagine you're Randall, like you just see like two of your 221 00:17:34.039 --> 00:17:38.839 coworkers get shot. So there's a conference room close by, and he walked 222 00:17:38.880 --> 00:17:44.119 into it because he knew there was like a staff meeting of his team at 223 00:17:44.119 --> 00:17:48.640 that time, and he walked into murder all five coworkers that were in that 224 00:17:48.759 --> 00:17:52.200 room. Did he Yeah, he did. They all died. They all 225 00:17:52.240 --> 00:17:56.759 died, all five. The five were Ford, Conna, Hira, Melvin 226 00:17:56.839 --> 00:18:04.880 Lee, Ronald Kawa, Oka Oka, Peter Mark, and John Sakamoto. 227 00:18:06.880 --> 00:18:10.359 And like I said, all five died as soon as they were shot. 228 00:18:11.400 --> 00:18:15.319 Brian was shooting to kill like he just wasn't looking to just wound somebody. 229 00:18:15.720 --> 00:18:21.240 He was a really good shot. According to some reports, Brian allegedly walked 230 00:18:21.279 --> 00:18:25.480 into the room while the team meeting was taking place, and before shooting and 231 00:18:25.559 --> 00:18:30.920 killing everyone, he waved at them to say goodbye, like bye, and 232 00:18:30.920 --> 00:18:34.559 then he shot them all. Brian was more than happy to murder his supervisor, 233 00:18:34.640 --> 00:18:41.519 which was Melvin Lee. After killing now seven people, he saw another 234 00:18:41.559 --> 00:18:47.960 potential victim, which was fifty five year old Stephen Mitsuda, but luckily Brian 235 00:18:48.119 --> 00:18:53.799 missed after shooting at him multiple times and Steve was running down the stairway. 236 00:18:55.279 --> 00:19:00.920 Yeah. After getting pissed about not being able to kill this eighth victim, 237 00:19:00.799 --> 00:19:06.640 Brian fled the scene and he hopped into a company van. I did the 238 00:19:06.720 --> 00:19:10.519 keys. Who knows, right, Okay, I don't know if it's something 239 00:19:10.519 --> 00:19:11.839 that he always had access to, because I mean he was a copy or 240 00:19:11.839 --> 00:19:15.599 technician. Maybe he went out on jobs, right, right, Okay, 241 00:19:15.960 --> 00:19:19.839 Thankfully Steve survived, didn't get shot, and he was actually the one that 242 00:19:19.920 --> 00:19:26.920 made that nine one one call. Yeah, And if you listen to the 243 00:19:26.000 --> 00:19:30.960 nine one one call, you can hear like he's out of breath. I 244 00:19:30.960 --> 00:19:33.119 mean he just got done running for his life. He's panicked. Yeah. 245 00:19:34.319 --> 00:19:38.839 Brian drove out of the parking lot and police and patrol cars pulled in shortly 246 00:19:38.920 --> 00:19:44.000 after. On the phone with dispatch, Stephen can barely get out the words 247 00:19:44.039 --> 00:19:47.240 he said, quote one of the guys came into our Xerox building with a 248 00:19:47.240 --> 00:19:51.759 gun and after he gives the address of the corporation, he said, quote, 249 00:19:51.759 --> 00:19:53.920 you got to get there right away. And then he's waiting for the 250 00:19:53.960 --> 00:19:59.240 operator to reply, and he's breathing heavily because I'm sure as adrenaline is in 251 00:19:59.359 --> 00:20:03.599 high gear. Yeah. The operator then asked him if anyone was injured, 252 00:20:03.119 --> 00:20:07.039 to which he responded back, quote, some of the guys did get shot. 253 00:20:07.200 --> 00:20:11.359 Some of the guys are down, they're dead unquote. I mean horrible. 254 00:20:12.559 --> 00:20:15.240 The police got to the scene and they put out a bolo which is 255 00:20:15.279 --> 00:20:23.519 beyond the lookout for a Xerox fan and after Brian I think it was green 256 00:20:23.559 --> 00:20:26.799 at the time too, And there's there's a picture of it. Not like 257 00:20:26.839 --> 00:20:30.400 it's a white Ford tourist, right, No, it probably sticks out like 258 00:20:30.440 --> 00:20:34.440 a sore thumb. Brian was on the run for about an hour and forty 259 00:20:34.480 --> 00:20:42.480 five minutes, but then a jogger who'd been exercising inside this one neighborhood spotted 260 00:20:42.519 --> 00:20:48.720 the van and they called the police. The police arrived shortly and blocked off 261 00:20:48.759 --> 00:20:52.519 a radius around the van that was about a half a mile wide. Oh 262 00:20:52.039 --> 00:20:56.680 yeah, and there is a picture of it that we're showing. Once the 263 00:20:56.720 --> 00:21:03.640 police in Swat team got set up there now was a standoff hours later. 264 00:21:03.200 --> 00:21:07.319 This is when the police recruited Brian's brother Dennis. Oh yeah, you said 265 00:21:07.359 --> 00:21:11.480 he was going to play a part. Yeah, And Dennis ended up talking 266 00:21:11.519 --> 00:21:17.839 to Brian and talking him into surrendering. So thankfully he was able to get 267 00:21:17.920 --> 00:21:22.440 Brian to come out of the van without any further you know, shooting and 268 00:21:22.640 --> 00:21:27.039 bloodshed. And he goes into police custody. I kill my siblings. Oh 269 00:21:27.079 --> 00:21:30.079 I know what am I doing here? Yeah? What am I doing here? 270 00:21:30.079 --> 00:21:33.400 Why are you acting all crazy? Like? What did you just tell 271 00:21:33.559 --> 00:21:36.680 ya? Stand down? Come on, come on, just come out right 272 00:21:36.799 --> 00:21:38.799 like it's not going to end well for anybody, right, I'm gonna stand 273 00:21:38.799 --> 00:21:44.000 out right. So I'm gonna tell you a little bit about the victims. 274 00:21:44.160 --> 00:21:48.240 Okay, okay. The first victim I'll tell you about is Ford Kinnahira. 275 00:21:48.839 --> 00:21:55.279 He was forty one at the time and he was shot five times. Those 276 00:21:55.319 --> 00:21:59.759 who knew him said he was fun. He was really kind of childish and 277 00:21:59.799 --> 00:22:03.119 boy like, had that like light attitude, and when the time came for 278 00:22:03.200 --> 00:22:07.240 the media coverage about the murders, his family and friends had a difficult time 279 00:22:07.359 --> 00:22:11.000 finding any recent photos of him. Because he was always the man behind the 280 00:22:11.039 --> 00:22:15.440 camera. Oh, he was the one always taking pictures, although he'd worked 281 00:22:15.440 --> 00:22:21.000 for Xerox for nineteen years. He was also a devoted family man. He 282 00:22:21.119 --> 00:22:23.599 loved the life he had with his wife and five year old son Bryce. 283 00:22:25.480 --> 00:22:27.400 He attended high school at Castle High School, and he went on to further 284 00:22:27.440 --> 00:22:33.079 his education at the Electronics Institute of Hawaii. He was married to the love 285 00:22:33.079 --> 00:22:37.000 of his life for eighteen years, and his wife was his high school sweetheart. 286 00:22:37.440 --> 00:22:41.119 Okay, this is make amazing, I know. And he was seventeen 287 00:22:41.119 --> 00:22:45.359 when they met and she was fourteen. Oh, and they dated for five 288 00:22:45.440 --> 00:22:48.480 years before they got married. Isn't it cute? That's so cute. It 289 00:22:48.559 --> 00:22:53.400 was adorable. They were just best friends, soulmates, inseparable. And you 290 00:22:53.480 --> 00:22:56.920 don't making me so sad? Yeah, I mean, these poor people. 291 00:22:57.559 --> 00:23:02.160 And then their son came long and they fell in love all over again, 292 00:23:02.279 --> 00:23:06.400 right with their son. When Bryce was born. Both Ford and his wife 293 00:23:06.480 --> 00:23:10.880 treasured their son and they were like the Three Musketeers. They always did stuff 294 00:23:10.880 --> 00:23:15.079 together. His funeral was light and uplifting, and roughly eight hundred people came 295 00:23:15.279 --> 00:23:19.319 wow to pay their respects. The next victim, I'm going to tell you 296 00:23:19.319 --> 00:23:23.039 about is Peter Mark. He was forty six at the time of his murder, 297 00:23:23.119 --> 00:23:27.640 and he was shot twice. He loved the ocean, and his family 298 00:23:27.759 --> 00:23:33.480 scattered his ashes at his favorite spot, which was Manu Lua Mana Lula Mana 299 00:23:33.680 --> 00:23:40.920 Na Lua Paana Lula Beach Park. He will forever be remembered as a fantastic 300 00:23:40.960 --> 00:23:45.200 father who loved his kids as well as a great person who never had anything 301 00:23:45.240 --> 00:23:48.920 bad to say about anyone. And you're not going to say that about me 302 00:23:48.960 --> 00:23:51.920 when I die, because I taught shit all the time. Yeah, and 303 00:23:51.920 --> 00:23:53.240 you got a sure that says I hate me, Yeah, exactly. I 304 00:23:53.279 --> 00:23:57.759 mean I wasn't as nice as Peter was. He dedicated his life to guiding 305 00:23:57.759 --> 00:24:03.519 his children the best he could, and they were the lights of his life. 306 00:24:03.640 --> 00:24:06.759 He would always race home after work just so that he could see and 307 00:24:06.799 --> 00:24:10.720 spend time with them. He was raised by his uncle Ronald, and grew 308 00:24:10.839 --> 00:24:15.039 up while living in Ronald's home. He was one of six children there. 309 00:24:15.920 --> 00:24:19.240 He attended high school at Kaimuki High School and went on to study at the 310 00:24:19.240 --> 00:24:23.920 Electronics Institute of Hawaii. He always doing his working at zero, Yeah, 311 00:24:23.920 --> 00:24:29.680 always doing his work at Xerox, He's going to work for his family and 312 00:24:29.799 --> 00:24:33.000 dies. He and his wife, Karen were married for sixteen years and they 313 00:24:33.039 --> 00:24:36.599 had two sons. One of his favorite pastimes was surfing. Member I told 314 00:24:36.640 --> 00:24:40.200 you loved the ocean, but that took a back seat when his sons came 315 00:24:40.240 --> 00:24:44.480 along. On that fateful day, Karen found out that her husband was killed 316 00:24:45.039 --> 00:24:48.599 by another technician's wife who she was friends with, who just happened to be 317 00:24:48.640 --> 00:24:56.400 at the cafe across the street from Xerox that day. John Sakamoto was thirty 318 00:24:56.400 --> 00:24:59.880 six at the time Brian killed him, and he was shot four times. 319 00:25:00.599 --> 00:25:03.440 He was the son of Richard and Charlotte, and he had two siblings, 320 00:25:03.480 --> 00:25:07.039 a brother and sister. He attended Kalani High School and later studied at the 321 00:25:07.039 --> 00:25:11.200 Electronics Institute of Hawaii. It seems to be the place to place to go. 322 00:25:11.839 --> 00:25:15.119 He was married to his wife, Susan, and they shared a son 323 00:25:15.119 --> 00:25:18.200 and daughter together. He was with Xyrex for ten years, and he was 324 00:25:18.240 --> 00:25:22.480 also an avid fisherman before he began working for Xerox. He helped build his 325 00:25:22.519 --> 00:25:27.680 own fishing boat and he worked endlessly every Saturday and Sunday to get it done. 326 00:25:29.359 --> 00:25:33.799 Whatever whenever he took any type of vacation, he spent at fishing like 327 00:25:33.920 --> 00:25:38.079 NonStop. His funeral service was held at a church and everyone who attended was 328 00:25:38.079 --> 00:25:47.400 told to wear aloha attire. Yeah. Ronald kawah May was fifty four at 329 00:25:47.440 --> 00:25:49.839 the time he was murdered, and he was shot once directly in the head. 330 00:25:51.079 --> 00:25:55.160 Ah. He was a father as well as a grandfather. His son, 331 00:25:55.240 --> 00:25:59.039 Reid, had a son of his own, and after Ronald's grandson was 332 00:25:59.079 --> 00:26:03.640 born, he became much closer to his son. Reed. Co workers of 333 00:26:03.720 --> 00:26:07.599 Ronald loved and respected him, and many saided he was always so kind and 334 00:26:07.680 --> 00:26:14.160 quick to help anyone who had less experience. He attended Kaimuki High School and 335 00:26:14.240 --> 00:26:18.599 he was with Xerox for thirty years. That's a really long time. Yeah. 336 00:26:18.000 --> 00:26:22.119 He had a nickname the Politician, and he absolutely loved to do karaoke. 337 00:26:22.839 --> 00:26:29.400 Ah. I know, king not sure if everybody else loves it karaoke, 338 00:26:29.640 --> 00:26:33.839 but I know right. Socializing was one of his favorite things to do 339 00:26:33.880 --> 00:26:40.119 because he just loved people. Christopher Jason Balatico he went by Jason. He 340 00:26:40.279 --> 00:26:44.319 was only thirty three when he was killed, and he was shot five times. 341 00:26:44.759 --> 00:26:48.440 He attended high school at Farrington High School and he furthered his education at 342 00:26:48.839 --> 00:26:53.079 Harold's Institute of Technology. He was the son of Lawrence and Evelyn, and 343 00:26:53.119 --> 00:26:57.279 he had a brother named Robert and his sister named Denise. He was married 344 00:26:57.279 --> 00:27:00.240 for ten years to his wife Mary, and they had a son and daughter. 345 00:27:00.720 --> 00:27:06.079 He loved baseball and he played on his high school's baseball team. The 346 00:27:06.079 --> 00:27:08.839 weekend of his murder, he was planning on attending his high school reunion. 347 00:27:11.000 --> 00:27:14.200 Everyone knew him. Everyone that knew him knew him as a jokester and a 348 00:27:14.200 --> 00:27:18.799 prankster. He loved making the people around him laugh, but he was never 349 00:27:18.920 --> 00:27:22.440 malicious, like I always hate April Fools for that reason. Like sometimes people 350 00:27:22.440 --> 00:27:26.920 are just oh I love that, Oh I hate it. So many times 351 00:27:26.640 --> 00:27:32.440 I told him I was going to have baby. That's terrible. You guys 352 00:27:32.559 --> 00:27:37.599 are going to have a little brother's fortunes. They probably lost their mind, 353 00:27:37.079 --> 00:27:42.759 gidding getting Anyone who came across Jason just adored him, and he was known 354 00:27:42.759 --> 00:27:47.640 to have touched so many lives with his personality. Fifteen hundred people were in 355 00:27:47.680 --> 00:27:52.440 attendance at his funeral service, and November second, nineteen ninety nine, marked 356 00:27:52.480 --> 00:27:56.960 his eighth anniversary with deer Ox in a room full of people. He was 357 00:27:56.000 --> 00:28:00.920 always the first to smile and his favorite prank was to suit glew a penny 358 00:28:00.960 --> 00:28:07.799 to the floor and when you know, pick up that penny for goodness. 359 00:28:07.680 --> 00:28:15.599 Yeah, they would never be able to Ronald Ronnie cut A cut a kataoka. 360 00:28:15.839 --> 00:28:19.279 I'm sorry, I messed it up. Was fifty when he was murdered, 361 00:28:19.279 --> 00:28:23.960 and he was shot four times as well. He went to Laila Who 362 00:28:25.559 --> 00:28:30.519 High School and he furthered his electronics education at Honolulu Community College. While in 363 00:28:30.599 --> 00:28:33.359 high school, Ronald met the love of his life. At the time of 364 00:28:33.400 --> 00:28:37.599 his murder, they had been married for twenty five years. They had a 365 00:28:37.680 --> 00:28:41.599 daughter, Lynn, and Ronald's wife also worked at Xerox. Oh shit, 366 00:28:41.279 --> 00:28:45.559 and Ronald had been with Xerox for twenty seven years. He also served in 367 00:28:45.599 --> 00:28:51.160 the Vietnam War when the National Guard called on him to serve, and as 368 00:28:51.200 --> 00:28:55.519 part of the National Guard, Ronald manned a grenade launcher. Oh during the 369 00:28:55.559 --> 00:28:59.200 war, I'm surprised there weren't more people at Xerox. I know at the 370 00:28:59.240 --> 00:29:02.079 time, it's only eight in the morning, though, yeah, is that 371 00:29:02.119 --> 00:29:04.759 one people normally know? It's usually like eight thirty at US. Yeah, 372 00:29:04.799 --> 00:29:10.039 at US, No, usually eight thirty, sometimes nine, depending on where 373 00:29:10.039 --> 00:29:11.519 you work. But I remember when I worked for that corporation for a really 374 00:29:11.519 --> 00:29:15.160 long time, it was eight thirty. I gotta be there. I wonder 375 00:29:15.200 --> 00:29:18.039 why he didn't wait to get more. I know, I think he just 376 00:29:18.079 --> 00:29:19.960 wanted to kill his team. No, I don't think you real ate a 377 00:29:19.960 --> 00:29:23.920 beef with anybody else there. I don't know I'm projecting, but I think 378 00:29:25.000 --> 00:29:30.000 that's probably what happened. The final victim was Brian's supervisor, Melvin Lee. 379 00:29:30.440 --> 00:29:33.480 He was fifty eight when he was murdered, and he was also shot four 380 00:29:33.519 --> 00:29:37.680 times. He was a family man who had many different hobbies such as being 381 00:29:37.720 --> 00:29:41.759 a great cook, karate, golfing, fishing with his three kids, and 382 00:29:41.839 --> 00:29:48.000 camping. He attended Waypao High School and he went on to study at the 383 00:29:48.000 --> 00:29:52.599 Electronics Institute of Why. He was married for eighteen years, and he left 384 00:29:52.599 --> 00:29:56.160 behind who and he left his wife behind along with their two daughters. About 385 00:29:56.160 --> 00:30:02.720 a thousand people gathered to remember Melvin at his funeral service, and he was 386 00:30:02.759 --> 00:30:07.119 truly loved by everyone who knew him, and this went even for the employees 387 00:30:07.160 --> 00:30:11.599 who worked under him at Xerox. A coworker named Marilyn Lee, she wasn't 388 00:30:11.640 --> 00:30:14.799 related to Melvin, wrote a letter to him, and she read it as 389 00:30:14.880 --> 00:30:18.640 part of the eulogy at his funeral service. In the letter, she wrote 390 00:30:18.680 --> 00:30:23.039 about how she could literally spend all day talking about Melvin, but regardless, 391 00:30:23.079 --> 00:30:27.599 nobody would ever realize how truly special he was and how loved he was by 392 00:30:27.640 --> 00:30:33.319 those he worked with at Xerox. So I just wanted to kind of pay 393 00:30:33.759 --> 00:30:40.519 Yeah, yeah, yeah, that made me touch me right. But what's 394 00:30:40.880 --> 00:30:44.400 more, I know it's it like a human spin on the victims. More, 395 00:30:45.559 --> 00:30:48.079 according to witnesses at the scene of the shooting, not only did Brian 396 00:30:48.119 --> 00:30:52.160 wave goodbye, I remember I told you that. Yeah, that's so to 397 00:30:52.240 --> 00:30:56.519 his victims, he was also seen smiling during the murders. And I'm not 398 00:30:56.519 --> 00:30:57.759 sure who saw him, but somebody did. Like I told you, there 399 00:30:57.759 --> 00:31:02.519 was eleven people in the building and he killed seven of them. He was 400 00:31:02.559 --> 00:31:07.799 seen as cool, calm and collected as he left and walked to that green 401 00:31:07.920 --> 00:31:11.599 Xerox fan leave the scene like he wasn't in a panic to like running out 402 00:31:11.599 --> 00:31:17.039 of there. File calculated, yeah, very calculated. Following the arrest, 403 00:31:17.160 --> 00:31:21.480 law enforcement obtained a search warrant to search his house, and during their search 404 00:31:21.599 --> 00:31:26.400 they discovered seventeen guns, some of them weren't even registered. It was also 405 00:31:26.480 --> 00:31:30.599 discovered that Brian tried to purchase another gun in nineteen ninety three, but his 406 00:31:30.720 --> 00:31:34.920 permit was turned down since he'd been arrested for that destruction of property. Remember 407 00:31:34.960 --> 00:31:40.519 the elevator, Yeah, the elevator and making death threats towards Melvin. That's 408 00:31:40.519 --> 00:31:45.319 who he was stressing to kill. Melvin. Yeah. Brian was charged with 409 00:31:45.400 --> 00:31:48.519 first three murder, and this category holds a lot of weight and covers multiple 410 00:31:48.599 --> 00:31:53.240 murders in Hawaii. Like the way there, the way their laws work, 411 00:31:53.519 --> 00:31:56.480 you know, like if you killed two people, they'd be here in Michigan 412 00:31:56.480 --> 00:32:00.480 to be two counts a first degree murder, but a blanket. Yeah, 413 00:32:00.519 --> 00:32:07.400 there's a way to roll all of the different counts into one charge of first 414 00:32:07.440 --> 00:32:10.920 degree murder. His trial began May fifteenth, two thousand, and it went 415 00:32:12.000 --> 00:32:15.319 on for a month while waiting for his preliminary hearing. He was held on 416 00:32:15.440 --> 00:32:21.079 seven million dollars bond for that one count of first degree murder and seven counts 417 00:32:21.079 --> 00:32:23.599 of second degree murder. Why do you even go to trial? It's obvious 418 00:32:23.640 --> 00:32:30.000 he did well. He said he was innocent by reason of insanity. Yes, 419 00:32:30.039 --> 00:32:37.039 he pleaded insanity. The first degree charge in Howaii carries a mandatory life 420 00:32:37.039 --> 00:32:42.759 sentence like it does here in Michigan, without any possibility of a parole if 421 00:32:42.799 --> 00:32:45.400 convicted, and there is no death penalty in the state of Hawaii, so 422 00:32:45.480 --> 00:32:51.960 that's the maximum penalty you could get. During opening statements in the trial, 423 00:32:52.000 --> 00:32:55.000 the prosecution spoke about the victims, their family, their work at Xerox, 424 00:32:55.079 --> 00:33:00.519 and their lives. Six wives were called to stand to testify for the prosecution, 425 00:33:00.200 --> 00:33:05.480 and one son of the seventh victim was also called. The first person 426 00:33:05.519 --> 00:33:08.559 called the stand was Melvin's wife, and she spoke about their children, his 427 00:33:08.640 --> 00:33:14.400 love of golfing, and all of the witnesses spoke about like their husband's hobbies 428 00:33:14.680 --> 00:33:19.480 into victim impact statement, Yeah, like that during their testimony. I mean, 429 00:33:19.839 --> 00:33:22.480 this is during their testimony, and each witness was cross examined. Of 430 00:33:22.519 --> 00:33:30.559 course, Brian was certain, Like it came out during the trial that Brian 431 00:33:30.680 --> 00:33:35.000 was certain one of his coworkers, like one of the victims, was moonlighting 432 00:33:35.079 --> 00:33:38.640 as an agent for the FBI, and the wife of that victim was asked 433 00:33:38.839 --> 00:33:43.519 you know, has your husband ever worked for the FBI, and you know, 434 00:33:43.599 --> 00:33:45.839 of course she said no, yeah, that would be the CIA. 435 00:33:45.920 --> 00:33:51.319 I would mait right, that's true. The rest of the witnesses, they 436 00:33:51.319 --> 00:33:55.960 were basically asked if Brian ever discussed with them outside of Xerox or if the 437 00:33:57.039 --> 00:34:00.960 victim's family members were made aware of any ongoing ish es with Brian. After 438 00:34:01.000 --> 00:34:06.319 the trial concluded, the jury deliberated and came back with a guilty verdict. 439 00:34:06.319 --> 00:34:08.840 I wonder how long they deliberated. I know, I'm not sure. One 440 00:34:08.840 --> 00:34:12.519 of the members of the jury spoke out and said that Brian seemed like a 441 00:34:12.599 --> 00:34:17.400 quiet guy who spoke calmly and without any expression on his face whatsoever. And 442 00:34:17.440 --> 00:34:22.360 as the trial went on, it became very evident that Brian did know right 443 00:34:22.400 --> 00:34:27.039 from wrong. Yes, And that's the elements of deciding whether someone is, 444 00:34:28.039 --> 00:34:32.559 you know, not guilty by reason of insanity, and that's the very hard 445 00:34:34.039 --> 00:34:37.639 standard, very high bar, yeah, very high. And that juror said 446 00:34:37.679 --> 00:34:42.880 that he knew about the Bible and the ten commandments, and that was the 447 00:34:42.880 --> 00:34:45.679 censure, like for him to know, like, you know, you know 448 00:34:45.760 --> 00:34:50.480 the difference between right and wrong. Right. Brian was sentenced to serve a 449 00:34:50.519 --> 00:34:55.079 minimum of two hundred and thirty five years, and it was the longest sentence 450 00:34:55.119 --> 00:35:00.519 given to an inmate in the state of Hawaii. And this crime was actually 451 00:35:00.519 --> 00:35:04.639 the worst mass shooting in Hawaii in their state history, and it still is. 452 00:35:05.840 --> 00:35:08.559 It was reported that Brian had been thinking about killing the victims for years. 453 00:35:08.840 --> 00:35:12.400 I mean, I told you he made these threats, right, and 454 00:35:12.480 --> 00:35:15.800 for so long none of his potential victims. Yeah, and they were never 455 00:35:15.840 --> 00:35:20.519 in the same room. However, like I told you, Brian knew this. 456 00:35:20.719 --> 00:35:23.239 On November two, they were all going to be having this meeting. 457 00:35:23.480 --> 00:35:28.360 Yeah. That so finally they'd be in the same room. Which I'm surprised 458 00:35:28.400 --> 00:35:30.320 it took so long to have a staff meeting because when I right, when 459 00:35:30.360 --> 00:35:35.800 I worked in like corporate America, we were always having staff meeting every morning. 460 00:35:35.920 --> 00:35:38.000 Yes, every morning. Oh my god, what's going to happen? 461 00:35:38.039 --> 00:35:42.159 An they're damn meeting right, Like, oh my god. That's one thing 462 00:35:42.199 --> 00:35:45.639 I love about having being a lawyer. There's never any staff meetings. We 463 00:35:45.800 --> 00:35:50.840 call it lunch exactly. Yeah, So you know, he knows they're going 464 00:35:50.920 --> 00:35:54.000 to be in this room, so they're just like sitting ducks for him. 465 00:35:54.239 --> 00:35:59.199 Throughout the trials duration, Brian's family believed that he wasn't a violent man. 466 00:36:00.039 --> 00:36:02.800 In their minds, all Brian wanted to do was raise and breed his fish. 467 00:36:04.119 --> 00:36:08.000 Well, but don you know, and Dennis did testify during the trial 468 00:36:08.039 --> 00:36:14.320 about the car accident and how Brian was never the same. Afterward, Brian 469 00:36:14.400 --> 00:36:19.679 tried to appeal his conviction on the terms that his rights had been violated when 470 00:36:19.719 --> 00:36:25.000 the court did not truly define the two terms wrongfulness and appreciate because that's probably 471 00:36:25.000 --> 00:36:30.719 in the state law right when you have the definition of not guilty by reason 472 00:36:30.760 --> 00:36:34.519 of insanity. He thought that, you know, it was violated. So 473 00:36:34.599 --> 00:36:37.639 his too vague, Yeah, too vague. I guess it wasn't defined clearly. 474 00:36:38.920 --> 00:36:44.480 You know, it violated his right to a fair trial. And in 475 00:36:44.519 --> 00:36:47.239 the appeal it was determined that his rights were not violated, nor were they 476 00:36:47.239 --> 00:36:52.039 affected in any way as as attorneys were looking for something, I know, 477 00:36:52.199 --> 00:36:57.039 just something figured something out here, I know. I mean we've been there, 478 00:36:57.199 --> 00:37:00.519 yeah, absolutely I have. Yeah, we've polished a turn a few 479 00:37:00.559 --> 00:37:04.719 times. Yeah. That's my favorite expression for when it's like our job, 480 00:37:05.800 --> 00:37:07.079 especially when you have a bad case, you're just like, oh, what 481 00:37:07.159 --> 00:37:14.719 can I find right. So Brian's conviction remained and was supported by the Supreme 482 00:37:14.719 --> 00:37:19.360 Court in Hawaii in two thousand and two. Two years later, Brian did 483 00:37:19.400 --> 00:37:28.840 consider contesting the conviction again by stating he had insufficient representation. But that didn't 484 00:37:28.880 --> 00:37:32.039 go. No, that didn't rather, Yeah, I read that that works. 485 00:37:32.559 --> 00:37:37.639 In two thousand and five, Xerox in the hospital responsible for Brian's initial 486 00:37:37.760 --> 00:37:42.880 mental examination, settled a suit that was brought on bed the families of the 487 00:37:42.960 --> 00:37:49.239 seven victims. The families felt that both Xerox in the hospital completely ignored Brian's 488 00:37:49.239 --> 00:37:52.679 mental instability, which they did keep him employed. I kind of see that. 489 00:37:53.599 --> 00:37:58.039 Yeah, after death threats and kicking in the door, I mean you 490 00:37:58.079 --> 00:38:00.079 would think emil later Yeah, yeah, ticking in the elevator door, like 491 00:38:00.119 --> 00:38:04.400 you would think that would be grounds for dismissal. I don't know, someone 492 00:38:04.480 --> 00:38:07.800 dropped the ball in that one. Brian is currently in his sixties and he's 493 00:38:07.800 --> 00:38:15.440 serving a sentence at Cigaro Correctional Center in Arizona. After the shooting, the 494 00:38:15.519 --> 00:38:22.360 Xerox building on North Nimitz Highway was vacated and the building was left completely empty 495 00:38:22.599 --> 00:38:28.519 until this little tidbit. Remember the television series Lost that was on probably like 496 00:38:28.519 --> 00:38:35.079 twenty years ago. The producers built a massive sound stage there in that building 497 00:38:35.159 --> 00:38:38.519 so that they were able to fill the indoor scenes. Isn't it crazy? 498 00:38:38.679 --> 00:38:45.760 Probably was cheap. Probably was cheap, cheap and beautiful Hawaii and right right, 499 00:38:45.280 --> 00:38:50.119 I mean it's about the mass shooting, right, is it crazy? 500 00:38:50.880 --> 00:38:52.800 I just was like, oh my gosh, I remember that. Yeah, 501 00:38:52.840 --> 00:38:55.000 I remember that show. I didn't watch it. I was in law school. 502 00:38:55.039 --> 00:38:58.400 I didn't watched it either. I didn't have time for that. No, 503 00:38:59.360 --> 00:39:02.320 I didn't have time for that. I heard about it, but like 504 00:39:02.360 --> 00:39:05.280 I said, I was in law school. I was working. I had 505 00:39:05.320 --> 00:39:07.840 too much shit on my plate already. I did not have time to watch 506 00:39:07.880 --> 00:39:13.400 TV. Yeah. 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