All right, welcome to a new installment of our Deep Dives as we go
into some geopolitics from a book that I've been really impressed with. It was
not the book I expect that. I expected it to be more of a
kind of a dry academic text that covered, you know, kind of irrelevant
or forgotten lore and arcana about the history of the CIA, looking into various
religious traditions and doing ethnography. And we've covered books like that already with David
Price's book Weaponizing Anthropology some years ago, which we lectured there as well.
That's been a lot more detail and nuggets to it than I expected. And
that is the Erring into the Wilderness book by Michael Graziano. And we're talking
about this today because I talked about it Friday to a very large audience.
And the book is again better than I expected it to be, not because
I thought it wouldn't be good. I just thought it wouldn't be as full
of kind of insights into psyops, operations, fake flag events, staged events
and so forth as it is. And so luckily we can dive into this
with some interesting providential timing due to Dune being out. So yeah, as
you know, we covered recently Dune Messiah the sequel, and this was three
months ago, and I lectured through the first half kind of restating and revisiting
a lot of the original Dune material. And even though today's video is not
primarily about Dune, I think Tristan and I are going to soon do a
deep dive on Noon because Tristan has never read or watched Doom, so that's
going to be exciting to see his impression what he comes away with when he
finally sees it. And now that Dune Too just released this weekend, a
lot of people are kind of raving. There's a lot of chatter, so
a couple thoughts. I mean, the movie was a lot better than I
expected, not because I thought it would be bad. I just went into
it with mediocre expectations because I think that's typically what is the safest bet nowadays
going into movies, because they're almost always I don't know, missing something.
You don't really watch movies that move you in any way, that have any
kind of profound wow factor to them, and this one did. It was
the first one I watched in fifteen, maybe twenty years, maybe even back
to Lord of the Range something like that where you just really you're really blown
away by the overall presentation of the film, acting, the writing, the
philosophical depth. It treats the audience like they're intelligent, not like their children.
It's a very sophisticated plot in it accurately portrays what's in the book.
I mean, it leaves out, obviously some things to make it I guess
under three hours. It's right under three hours in part two, So we
don't see third stage Guild navigators, and we don't get a lot of weirding
Way information. But you know, those are minor points. And then they
change a little bit of the storyline with Shawny. You know, that's fine
with me, and none of that really bothered me. But some of the
only thing my only criticism is that it was a little odd to have Christopher
Walking, who's this very you know, weird bizarro sort of character. I
mean, I'm not saying it's a bad actor. It's just kind of a
wow, wow, and you know, who's this why deep who is Indeed,
you know you've got him being a weirdo. He doesn't come off as
the Emperor of the known universe. You know, he should have been some
sort of weird desert prophet character that would be more sensible, like a fool
for Wadeb instead of a fool for Christ. A fool from Wadeeb in the
desert like that would have been a better fitting hermit role for him. But
other than that, I mean, I think pretty much everything else is perfect.
I mean, I think it was. It was phenomenal movie, so
we're gonna be diving deeper into that with Tristan and I brought it up today
because a lot of what is in the Grasiano book again very interesting timing,
synthesized very well with the plot and the information and Dune and also in doing
Messiah, which we don't know if there will be a Dune Messiah element to
the Third Dune when it comes out. Did leave doing part two open for
the rest of the story or potential story elements. There's six books total,
so I mean, I suppose it could be a franchise if they chose to
make it that. But yeah, a lot of people saying that this is
kind of like New Lord of the Rings. I think so, I mean,
if the third one pulls it off and is a very enjoyable and kind
of breathtaking experience like Part two was very much an Empire Strikes Back Two Towers
type of movie, definitely, So it was refreshing to go and experience the
arts like they used to be fifteen twenty years ago. So the plot,
of course, as you know, revolves around Typically people think of it's about
Paul, it's about his ascendancy, but really it's about courtly intrigue and plots.
It's about plans with implans, as the Guild Navigator says, and plans
within plans refers to the intrigues within the court, refers to power plays,
refers to espionage versus sexpionage. We get that in the new Done two movie
with the Leah Sadu character. We get mind control. We get everything that
made the philosophy of the books so good is translated perfectly into this film.
And when we look at the Grazziano book, that's where we see such amazing
overlap as the way he discusses the early phases of the OSS and their approach
to what he calls the religious interpretation of intelligence or the religious approach to intelligence,
which is kind of the brainchild of the first head of the OSS,
wild Bill Donovan. We see a lot of parallels with the attitude of the
Missionary of Protectiva or the female which coven sisterhood of the Benny Jesuit, which
line which which we called jokingly snack and I the been a Jesuit witch line
because they're really kind of like female intelligence handlers, and that's actually made really
explicit in the story. So you have these intelligence handling mind controlling which women,
and they mastered certain arts and certain principles of kind of it's hard to
say if it's exactly it's not exactly supernatural. I mean, I haven't read
all this series yet, so I don't know if supernatural divine ish elements ever
enter into the Dune world. They might, I don't know, but I
think typically the idea is more so perennialism and sort of evolving. So the
powers that the Beny Jesuits sister to have is more of an evolutionary thing because
it's a lot to do with genetic bloodline manipulation, and their whole plot is
to manipulate the bloodline to produce the universe as super being a sort of Christ
like figure, and they're thinking as if they can control the bloodline and control
the birth of the Quisasaderak, then they'll control and be the most powerful entity
in the universe. So it's all about power place the missionary of Protectiva,
this long lineage of ben A Jesret secret society which covin ladies that operate like
an intelligence operation. They have seeded throughout the known universe their own mythology so
that when it's the right time, they can bring forth the super being,
the god like christ like figure, the demigod. And of course the story,
as you know in doing is that it gets out of their hands and
it's it's really sort of ends up being palm one deep, even though Paul
ends up being a tragic character. Really this mimics perfectly the attitude of a
lot of religious well a lot of intelligence agency approaches, not just to religion,
but to what it is sometimes called worldview warfare or weltenschronskrit. So worldview
warfare is the idea that, and this ties into the religious approach of the
CIA OSS and the CIA is that people don't just operate on the basis of
you know, Maslow's hierarchy of needs. I mean, there's multiple motivations that
humans have, and the most motivations aren't just bodily desires. They also have
motivations for ideological or spiritual or conceptual things, and so the way they view
the world across the world is typically through the lens some kind of religious perspective.
And so the OSAs and CIA saw early on, and it became more
prominent, particularly in the Cold War. And that should be obvious as to
why, because in the Cold War there would be a need for the West
to really try to capitalize pun intended on the mileage that they could get out
of religious world views and the idea of uniting any religious world views to fight
against the godless atheism, the Satanic Empire, whatever terminology Riggan used during the
Cold War to describe the Soviets and Communism in general throughout the Cold War.
So the religious approaches you can see would be very beneficial, especially as the
Cold War ramps up post National Security Statement sixty eight, because NSC sixty eight
is the famous statement about the dangers of the Kremlin. National Security Report sixty
eight, and we've talked about that in regard to the whim Hoff book,
and this book interestingly parallels perfectly with the wim Hoff book. The wim Moff
book touches on so many things in such a deeper way than the Grazziano book.
But the Graciano book kind of includes as a kind of a side piece,
you know what I'm saying, it's the side piece of the wim Hoff
book to be a very helpful kind of appendix or an addendum to elements.
Where Wimoff doesn't focus on the general approach of the OS, S and c
A, He's really he's really focusing hyper specifically upon characters like C. D.
Jackson, John Courtney Murray and the attitude of U. S. S
and CA for how to really co op the Vatican. This actually this book
also actually touches on that, but in a much briefer section in regard to
Bill Donovan, which I do remember wim Hoff going into detail about Bishop Fulton
Sheen, whom Grindsiano mentions, but I don't recall if he spends a whole
lot of time on Donovan. So Donovan has given a much more fuller treatment
by Graziano. He begins the book talking about, by the way, the
Sri elements, and if you think about it, the cia Is approach to
religion isn't going to be just limited to things like Christianity or Judaism or Islam.
Those are kind of obvious that that intelligence agencies would have an intense interest
in those three, but the occult and superstition and all the myriads of cults
that kind of relate then to that, and that would include things like satanic
cults, psychics, new Agers, theosophy, Levatski, you know, these
kinds of characters who also have had a history of being associated with and connected
to intelligence operatives at different levels. So in the same way, we can
see here that SRI is mentioned at the very beginning the remote viewing programs projects
Sunstreak, that's remote viewing it. And this was a bizarre thing because of
course we've all heard about remote viewing, and we just did a stream with
Cotel Deopatricarrey recently on my channel. You can go watch that where we covered
the gateway process and how that ties into SRI. One of the things that
was kind of weird about this was, I mean, it remind you of
the Leprechaun, remember the Leprechaun viral video Evon's World. I mean, this
is like that level, right, I'm a abood a tree, I'm gonna
get that Leprechaun. I want to go. I want to know where the
gold is. Get me to go. I want to know where to gold
at well. In the same way, like the level of artistic specification that
we saw in the drawing of the Leprechaun is essentially the same as the level
of sophistication that the remote viewers had of telling them about what John Paul the
Second looked like. So, first of all, had they never seen John
Paul the Second in nineteen what is this eighty eight? I mean, he
was his pope since late seventies, so it's bizarre to me that they would
number one, they would task remote viewers with trying to spy on Pope jomp
All the second I kuld, you know. And then in the remote viewing
this is suppose this is one of the drawings. I mean, it looks
like it's like leprekn level. I mean, this is like Napoleon Dynamite's sketch
level. So maybe he picked the worst of the remote viewing sketch artists.
But to me, I thought that was pretty pitiful. But he then discusses
the points that you heard me make about worldview warfare at Bolton Shawn's Creek.
This is why religion matters, but particularly right away at page five, I
mean, he gets sent to saying essentially that the OSS's approach was to model
especially the post World War two and post and into the Cold War, was
to model their entire religious approach on the Roman Catholic Church. Interesting and what
he says is for finally, US intelligence work abroad bled into debates about religion,
as Roman Sasses became the model through which the intelligence community would understand and
manipulate world religions. So did you hear that manipulate world religions? That is
religious engineering on the part of intelligence agences. You've heard me use that terminology
many times. It's not a conspiracy term. It's right here in the academic
literature. Now. I made the comment right there that this is the Benny
Jesuit sisterhood approach, the religious approach. This explains why so many intelligence officers
put them to manipulate American Christianity at home, just as they tried to manage
world religions abroad. That's page five, and he mentions the cultural Cold War.
This brings to mind Francis Dunner Saunders and the Congress for cultural freedom as
the CIA front funding all of those cultural projects by the SAYA throughout the Cold
War two fight the ideology of Sovietism with Western liberalism, and also a common
core or essence approach to the world religions a la who well he's not named
here, but we already know who they're thinking of. Who's the chief modern
arca tect of arca type philosophy which links all the religions, who also happen
to be an oss operative Well, it's operative four eight eight Carl Jung Jungian
philosophy, Joseph Campbell type philosophy, who, by the way, worked on
the SRI document Changing Images of Man, which Tristan discovered what do you know
intimately tied into this OSSCI approach to finding a shared common core or essence amongst
the world religions that could be universally translatable into the language of the intelligence agencies
to manipulate and to control, in other words, Acumanism. Theosophy right,
this type of perennialism, union, blending, and melding is itself intimately tied
into the oss CISRI approach, and we already saw predecessors to that in Blovatski
in those figures right in terms of the Fabian society. Again Blovatski herself having
intimate ties to intelligence agencies. She says her philosophy is the philosophy of the
coming New Age. It becomes the background philosophy for all New Age philosophy and
thought, as well as somebody who had very similar views to her in this
sense, another British intelligence operative Alistair Curley. So he stresses that the approach
ultimately has nothing to do with finding the truth. Right, So we have
to understand that when the OSS and the CIA are studying the various religions,
they're not there to figure out which one's true, Okay, they're they're there
to figure out the pragmatic usages of various religions, groups, sex cults for
the needs of the time. That's it now. Individual intelligence operatives may have
their own personal interests and desires to discover the truth about this or that,
but that's not their job. So for example, if Ed Lansdale spends much
time focusing on studying Far Eastern philosophies like Shinto and this kind of stuff,
it's not at all because he thought it was true. We're trying to find
the truth. His motivations explicitly were to understand the culture, the ethnography of
Japan in or to set them against the Muslims. And we'll get to that
specific operation later on as he discusses that. So religion really becomes to the
intelligence agencies the tool for packs Americana. And that is just simply to say
soft power. And that's the very thing you've heard me say many, many
times. So the book is named after another person, Perry Miller, who
wrote a famous book called Aaron into the Wilderness about the plight of the New
England Puritans. And it turns out Perry Miller was himself a OSS operator during
World War Two. World War two, Miller worked for OSS in Germany,
where he specialized in psychological warfare, a domain that has frequently applied, that
has frequently applied the knowledge gained through the religious approach of the S, S
and c. Then, of course, James Jesus Angleton is a key character
in this book story, who, like Miller, was a university man at
heart, but found himself embedded in the Vatican and in Rome and for many
years to make key alliances with the CIA and the Vatican. Both of USS
officers, Miller and Angleton, wore tasked with understanding and manipulating the human mind.
It's not an easy task, of course. Angleton quotes a verse from
TS. Elliott describing the business of espionage as the wilderness of mirrors, and
so hence the title of both books, and then he goes on to say
that really the purpose again even of the religious approach, not to find out
which theology is true, but for control. So I appreciate that blunt just
laying it out there. Yeah, they're not interested what's true, They're interested
in using these philosophies to divide or to night for control. Any points out,
of course that the CIA has a massive repertoire of academics, and so
the the agency is able to call upon probably the largest cachet of academics that
are out there, and that would be PhDs and science, philosophy, learning,
scholarship, you name it. And that's why we saw, for example,
so many OSS people in the early phases, right, were even people
like sports stars mo Burgh, Cook's Julia Child, people that had all a
wide range of expertise and skill sets, right, just like the inquiry did
prior to the OSS a lot of academics, is what I'm trying to say.
Now, it wasn't totally academics, because we also had people who were
you know, hired for all kinds of stuff, playboys, you know,
ravens. And they'll say, well, the CIA never used sex operatives.
I don't believe that, but and I think that Winnie Webb's book shows up
as well. But they always try to paint it as, oh, it's
just you know, business people and wealthy people recruited and admin and lawyers and
all this stuff. And that's true, but there's you know, the recruitment
of all kinds of people, including criminals. So first interesting quote as we
get into the American spies and the Catholic Church, which is one of the
more revealing sections, and again it really backs up what we read in wim
Hoff as well as other texts too. All the Gladio literature is sort of
also parallel to this, and it really backs up a lot of the Gladio
literature that's out there as well. Even though Graziono, as far as I
can tell, doesn't mention Gladio at all, So no mentions of Gladio or
these kinds of operations, which is interesting because I would think Gladio would really
back up his case here. And it's not like Gladio is still in the
realm of conspiracy. There's you know, actual PhD thesis level stuff like the
Ganser thesis on it, so you know, it's not in the realm of
pure theory. It's pretty well documented. Odd that he doesn't include. He
does mention some of the players that we saw in the Gladio literature, like
Father Felix mor Leone, the famous Dominican ecumenists, and he does mention quite
a few other players adjacent to Gladio or involved in Gladio as well. But
even backs up the Paul the six connections to the US S and CA,
which is in the Kayler book and which is in the Williams book. It's
not in the Gancer book if I recall, but William Casey, the devout
Catholic who would become the director of the CIA. This is under the Reagan
period, noted that the OSS was the most diverse assembled group of scholars,
scientists, bankers, correspondents, tycoons, psychologists, so cro football and probably
others football stars, football stars, circus managers, and circus freaks, circus
freaks, safe crackers, lock pickers, and pickpockets. You named them,
while Bill Donovan collected them. So there you have it. And why would
that be Well, because you might need these people for all kinds of things.
And really this show is just an attitude of sort of full spectrum dominance,
right, so you never know when you might need all these guys.
Religion then became a key tool in the arsenal of OSAs and Cia manipulation.
Hence the rel religious view as they called it. Donovan was a key to
making, for example, as a Roman Catholic, many of the alliances in
the Vatican. And this began on the part of Donovan at the time of
World War Two. As we've talked about key alliances made with a man Vatican.
He notes many admissions here. And really, Donovan is this fascinating character
because even though he was a halfway committed I guess verbally Catholic, he seemed
to have a lot of wavering ideas about where he stood religiously. He investigated
all the world religions, not exactly sure why he's settled on Catholicism, but
the fascinating element is that he's the archetypal ecumenist. He actually believed that religion
would be a great intelligence tool, and he saw himself, I think,
more as an Americanist. Ecumenists before a Catholic So Americanism came first for Donovan,
and that's why he's such an archetypal figure for ecumenism. And he's a
big link between proving and demonstrating the OSSCIA support for and really propelling of ecumenism
to the powers that it has today. And that's because Ecumenism is fundamentally bound
up with Americanism. And this is another thesis that Weimoff has in his book,
which is easily born out. Americanism is more important to these people than
Catholicism. So Catholicism in their view becomes like CD Jackson's doctrine warfare program,
a tool of American soft power. Romeancolic Church is not there to save souls.
It might do that on the offhand, but it's primarily there from their
vantage point these guys as a tool of American soft power. He mentions the
WASP element at the time that was perhaps a little hostile to Bill Donovan,
but I think even the Wasps who had anti Catholic sentiments understood the usage of
Donovan and being such a key character at the time of World War two and
post World War two to solidify the relationship with the Vatican. So he becomes
kind of this useful Catholic ecumenist figure who can solidify and embeds S and c
A into the Vatican. And that's treated with just glib sort of obvious or
clearly throughout this first chapter. And Donovan becomes the archetype of the very thing
that we're talking about when we think about today's quote Catholics, right like a
Biden. You couldn't have a Biden who has basically no actual connection whatsoever with
the theology of Catholicism or the real practice of it, other than just to
say in his half dementia state he's a Catholic in good standing, because Francis
says he's a Catholic and good standing, not kidding that sexual article. Look
it up. You couldn't have any of that without first having the Jesuits a
la Wimhoff's book positing the separation not just of church and state. I'm a
part of Americanism, but separation of individual faith in life, thus allowing for
a Kennedy or a Biden right to say, well, my faith is my
personal life and it doesn't affect my political voting and decision making. So I
can be pro abraution as a political Catholic, but in my private life I
secretly support pro life. I mean, it makes no sense. But you
couldn't have that without first having a bill on of a type of character and
the John Courtney murrays who really pioneered that division. And it also points out
that clearly, as you might suspect, a lot of the information and approach
to religion and theology on the part of the SS and CIA again was not
to figure out what was true, but to figure out tools and tricks and
techniques and tactics to have in the tool belt to cause division, chaos,
and confusion when necessary, which turns out to be quite often so. In
this book we have many operations that are mentioned, spelled out, cited,
utilized. We have, for example, the co opting and usage of figures
like Francis Cardinal Spellman and Archbishop Fulton Sheen, who went off notes were closely
connected to CIA figures. OSS figures like Henry LUs Time Magazine, Claire Booth
Loose and the recruitment of people for the OSS. In fact, Graziano cites
Fulton Sheen as recruiting for war bild On. And so this allowed the Vatican,
excuse me, THESS to have a very intimate relationship starting in nineteen forty
two via Bill Donovan. And remember that American intelligence is not just set up
by FDR right, It's not like the President calls the shots. No,
no, no. British Intelligence sent their operatives over at the behest of higher
level people above them Royal Society, Royal and Supernational Affairs, Milner Group,
Fabian Society, etc. Those are the people in the background of the British
intelligence operatives who come to America to help set up the I keep getting this
thing popping up here, to help set up the American intelligence agency known as
the OS S and CIA, And that's the irregulars. That's Noel Coward,
William Stevenson, Ian Fleming, etc. That crew. As you can imagine,
at this time, the OSS was really intent on trying to secure the
support of Pis the twelfth, the Pope at the time of the last phases
of traditional Catholicism and World War two and all that, and it seemed to
be successful. The Vatican ended up being pretty much for the most part pro
pro us. There might have been some confusion over you know, the Vatican
maybe wavering with the rat lines and all that stuff, but eventually what ends
up happening is that the OSS does secure and the CIA secures a full alliance
with the Vatican. In fact, they even proposed a bizarre plan. This
one was wild. I've never heard of those. The brainchild of Stanley love
All, the OSS's director of research and development, and he's kind of compared
to you know, Q and James Bond, who's the gadget, the old
gadget guy with his dumb jokes. Well, this is like the American version
of Q. And his idea was to poison Mussolini and tiny mustache man,
and then the Pope would issue a papal bull declaring that God had struck them
with blindness as a divine omen and a sign a curse, proving that the
Roman Catholic religion was So here's the OSS discussing faking miracles to prove Roman Catholicism.
I wonder where else that might come up. Well, guess what Marian
apparitions are mentioned as another one of the schemes, and I've read that in
other mainline intelligence literature as well Latin South America. To combat the spread of
Soviet ideology in Latin South America. Why there just happens to be a timely
Marian apparition who revives the faith of the indigenous peoples. Not only is that
absolutely a fact of history that that's happened here, you have yet another mainline
intelligence analysis admitting to that fact. And of course that's been my thesis that
I don't think this was new at the time of World War II or Cold
War. I think that this type of ideology is a big part of explaining
Fatima, because of course Fatima ends up being really anti Eurasian propaganda, because
it really locates the locus of the West's enemy in Russia, which isn't actually
Russia's. Russia is not the birthplace of communism, but Mary quote unquotes her
Fatima apparition ends up blaming Russia for being the aggressor and the source of communism,
But it's actually London. London is the source of communism. Everybody knows
this. So and of course you have all the claims of the whole the
Immaculate Heart, and if Russia converts to Mary and all that, none of
whichever happened, by the way, which should obviously disqualify Fatima. But Romancalley's
trad still believe the whole it's a secret. There's a third secret that's been
suppressed and not for years, called it Roman Catholic Q, not Q the
qan on nonsense. So the OSCESS collects intelligence at this time on the inner
Vatican politics to try to exploit and figure out the tensions and the key players
and power squabbles within the Vatic to manipulate it to its own effect. And
guess what, in my view, that's exactly what happened, and they were
successful with that tremendous emission here. While Catholicism in the Vatican maintained the largest
and most important focus, the OSS was systematically developing a religious approach to all
religious peoples and more generally. The OSS study of Catholicism was important part of
this process since the OSS leaned into an American understanding of religion that spoke something
innate and essential in everyone everywhere. So they're looking for the ecumenist model to
use everywhere. Based on what they first studied in the Catholic world. To
study a thing was the first step in manipulating the thing. To manipulate it
promised untold power over minds in the thoughts of the people around the world,
mind control, tremidous submission. Refining this religious reproach, he argued, comes
down to later figures. William Colby ed Lansdale and he talks about the early
phases of recruits for the OSS. One of the first things that was set
up, religiously speaking was the research and analysis branch known as RAP or the
RAB and there were figures connected this, one of whom was Ralph Bunch,
who would be going to become the first African American to win the Nobel Peace
Prize. Future Associate of the Supreme Court, Arthur Goldberg, historian Perry Miller
that we mentioned earlier, filmmaker John Ford, as we mentioned many times in
the past, we've done streams talking about john Ford in THESS, and Arthur
Selester chemis Stanley Lowell, the head of the OSS Scientific development that we mentioned
earlier, with that hair brain scheme to poison Mussolini and Hitler was a defined
curse. Talks about wanting to matter master not just science, but also things
like religion as well. Casey has mentioned because he's one of the along with
So you got Donovan, you got Casey Colby. I'm not sure how many
other those are the Those are three prominent Roman Catholic CIA directors. There may
be more. I'm not aware of other ones that were particularly dullest. I
don't believe was I think he was Protestant Presbyterian. I think John Brennan was
not Catholic, but I think claimed to be Muslim or something. One of
the early thinkers, a certain certain guy named Rody A r A d I.
He's a Hungarian immigrat zolt Arati, was one of the early guys to
proposed that as a Vatican insider, that the OSS should really look to the
Vatican to masters, to study it, and then they would have a systematic
approach to mastering and studying the world religions. Rodi drew attention to American intelligence
officers erroneous assumptions that the Vatican was religious rather than political. This is very
important because what do you hear me often saying the Vatican is more of a
geopolitical institution. That is how the OSS and they're accurate, and that understood
the Vatican in the nineteen forties and fifties. Well, see how you buy
the fifties. The penetration of the Vatican is a completely different entity from any
other intelligence operation because of the special singular position the Vatican has. The Vatican
is a state and at the same time it is not a state the Holy
See Catholic Church. Right, these things must be understood, must be manipulated,
must be infiltrated, to understand the religious approach that the CIA would have
for the rest of the world. That's what that's what we're learned, he
said. Many of the OSS operatives, even though they might have been academics,
they were very naive and so they didn't understand what the inner politics of
the Vatican wara. They didn't really understand Roman Catholicism. Many of them were,
you know, liberal Protestants, the WASP side of the OSS and CIA,
So they didn't get this. They didn't know much about it and understand
it. So that's why the Catholic element of the OSS and Caia were so
important. And one of their key figures was the Dominican figure that we mentioned,
Felix mor Leone. The famous acumenist and who also worked on multiple movies
and Flowers of Saint Francis, and also played a key role in not just
promoting acumenism a lot about it two type of humanism by creating a Catholic international
press and pro Dayou which was an OSS CIA front and we covered that in
the Gladiol. So the backset vindicates the Gladio literature. Mor Leon's relationship with
the OSS was eventually known as Operation Pilgrim's Progress. It was less of a
spy network than it was an information sharing agreement which basically informants aka journalists,
Catholic journalists, Roman Catholic journalists becoming basically a network of OSS informants. Now,
so not vindicate what we talked about for so long. And you might
say, well, but you know they were the good guys, they were
on the good side. I'm not even arguing about the good guy's bad guys
side. I'm just pointing out that this demonstrates the proof of the view that
even prior to the CIA, you had this intimate link penetration of the Roman
Catholic world by the OSS. See how he doesn't even exist yet, it's
already happened. And one of the key elements that Father Felix at mor Leone
and his ecumenist ideology would push throughout their literature, their magazines, and their
networks was the Americanist idea of religious liberty and Americanism. And they utilized Tomism,
as he points out and page thirty seven to push this agenda. For
example, the oss CIA articles in mor Leone's publications were things like here's some
of the article titles Thomism and his doctrine of democracy is the perfect form of
government. Well, that sounds just like John Courtney Murray. Doesn't exactly mor
Leone. Again, more details given about him. He doesn't mention Gladio,
but he comes very close to Gladio by talking about the help that mor Leon
gave to the CIA in the nineteen fifties under Dallas in the battle against communism,
supporting the CIA in every way possible because the Communists were almost successful in
nineteen forty eight ballot box. Mor Leone helped the intelligence agencies sway the Italian
votes against the Communists throughout the fifties. Okay, that's talking about William Colby
in his time in Rome and Gladio so even though he doesn't say Gladio,
that's gladio ish and adjacent to operations. This is the locust from which Gladio
will be cooked up. Thus, Operation Pilgrim's progress from Donovan eras his first
delegation meetings with the Vatican and then through mor Leone solidified the relationship between the
American intelligence establishment in the Vatican right there. And there's this weird affair called
the Vessel affair. This is some sort of fake document that caused a bunch
of conspiracy theories. James's Angleton apparently exposed that the document was a fake leak
and it had to do with people that were siding with the Access powers in
the Pacific theater. But what's interesting is that the document itself and the fake
league is not that important. What's most interesting about this is that there's some
consideration that many versions of the story actually make Cardinal Montini the leaker. And
guess who Cardinal Montini is. Why he just happens to be Paul the six
And if Paul six is the leaker of this fake document for whatever reason,
this might also suggest the early compromise in whatever way by on the part of
the figure of Paul the six, and we do have in the Gladio literature
many statements that has pretty pretty well established that Kissinger Colby, many of these
figures were meeting with the popes from Paul to six onward. Let's see the
next operations snap Dragon. Snap Dragon was one of the operations relating to high
Church officials remove any and all indications of the connection with the Catholic Church.
It might be embarrassing to the United States the Vatican hide the evidence since the
evidence appears on the manifest of such titles as a Vatican appeals to the Pope
after depand surrender. The OSS approved the program to relabel intelligence relationships with High
Church cardinals and Catholic groups under the innocuous code of snap Dragon. So the
official name of the continued program post World War two on the part of the
CIA with the Vatican and the high level officials is called snap Dragon. So
if you're saying it doesn't exist, there's the actual name of the program right
there, post World War two. And that's related to, but not identical
to the doctoral warfare program. Doctoral warfare program, I assume would result in
things like snap Dragon. The OS then in the curious position, you know,
going to great links to hide what was largely an undramatic working relationship with
major religious group. The most with them with a major religious group, the
organization contributed to American Purialism, not in the form of public service announcement,
but actually through having future Catholic CIA directors and OSS members who would go on
to you know, mentioned Donovan Colby case. Donovan's work did not go unnoticed.
At the ceremony of Colonel Spelman's personal residence in nineteen forty six, he
was given the papal Order of Saint Sylvester, so there and they usually they
will they hand those awards out for this kind of stuff. After this initial
forties fifties period though, even though the relationships with the Vaticant all obviously continued
on and we've covered the multiple time to deal with that, Gladiol book of
Williams, the Kayler book both going to great details about that. Even the
Kayler book even mentions it. It's all great, Oh yeah, this is
absolutely wonderful. That Kissinger is basically meeting with the popes all the time and
telling them what to do, so not even controversial, but what's what is
odd to me is just sort of the naivety that a lot of Roman Catholics
have. Oh it was a good thing, man, Yeah, Cia and
John Paul Shock can help take down commies. Yeah, but I don't understand
that now that you're under new masters. This is why your church is going
direction. That is, but whatever beyond making or attempting to make the Roman
Catholic Church a tool of Americanism, the OSS figured out it would have to
master many other things. And the next thing that it set its sights on
at the time of the nineteen forties, of course, was the Pacific War
theater, and then mastering Buddhism and Shinto and bringing in experts like D.
T. Suzuki. I don't know that Suzuki was a OSS operator, but
using his information, trying to learn as much, bringing in experts on these
topics. Why to master worldview warfare two so contradictions and divisions in the religious
ideological sphere, to pit Muslims against the Japanese Shinto. One of the OSS's
best sources of human intelligence was a father Condo French Catholic pretics affiliated with Operation
Pilgrim's Progress. That's the mor Leone Operation. And now whims go so far
as to say that Morleone was one of the key figures in arranging the ali
Agka attempt on John Paul the Second. So that was another key thing helping
to quote in the Cold War. So Father Condo worked closely with the OSS
and they kept they kept asking him because he knew, I guess presumably about
a lot of a lot of what's going on in Japan. They said,
how do we stop these Kama cases? I mean, these days are nuts.
They're barreling into the ships and they don't care. And he had a
hard time explaining to the American intelligence operatives at this time that the Japanese religion
is not that concerned with being coherent. They don't really mind contradicting, And
so that the officers understood it to be bizarre that you would have people that
don't really have a philosophy of the afterlife, you know, being basically slew
aside plane attackers. And Father Kindo says, well, well, that's why
you can understand. This is not about consistency and logical coherence, you see,
and this is a stumbling block for a lot of the intelligence stations from
the West. Then we get figures like Ed Lansdale here mentioned playing a key
role in see has relationship with world religions, as he was, as we
said, very interested in Asiatic culture and religions. The Japanese loved proverbs,
and so he actually spent some time trying to concoct a bunch of Japanese proverbs
to be used in psychological warfare. Another figure that you've heard me talk about,
of course, is Gregory bates and connected to the mk Ultra experiments.
Gregor Gregy Basins was in the OSS. He had the idea to this was
kind of a wild plan dump yellow dye in the Irrawadi River because Burmese believe
that yellow portended an end of foreign occupation. Thus, by dying the river,
Batesen thought the Burmese would revolt against the Japanese. So they're trying to
do anything they could to stir up coups and rebellions against the Japanese, including
then the plan they hot they hatched to rile up Islam against Japan during World
War two, and the idea was first to link democracy to Islam. Well,
this is kind of preposterous to me, but so they thought kind of
like the Fabian socialists did like well, used Islam as a tool of quasi
socialist democracy. And then when everybody's viewed as the sort of collective, you
know, we can turn the Muslim population to our desires, to our needs.
And that's exactly what this was about. Use Islam in the Pacific theater
to subvert and attack Shinto. And so they came up with all these bizarre
plots and propaganda elements, which is pretty fascinating. Actually, Project Windpipe is
the most fascinating. The Project Windpipe is this idea that they could tarnish Japan's
image in the eyes of the Muslims by presenting the United States as a defender
of religious freedom, whereas the Japanese will be presented as a pagan, backwards,
irreverent polytheistic tradition, which is interesting because I mean, I'm not super
deep Indi Shinto. I don't mean maybe it's pantheistic, maybe it's dualistic.
Maybe that could be turned some out of polytheism. But they came up with
this plan rather than the full with the philosophy and the theology. They started
to create banners and flags that intentionally riled up the Muslims by saying that the
Japanese symbol of the rising sun was above phraseology of Muhammed. So the flag
would have an image of the rising sun and it would say something basically offensive
to Muhammad, or they would actually say that the emperor is the true prophet.
And this was intended to basically cause the Muslims to go crazy. So
sowing division, to split and cause a war between Islam and Shinto was the
goal. I don't think that was actually that successful, but you could see
the types of ideas and strategies that they had, and really the goal was
just again to divide the religion as necessary. And this helps us to understand
a lot of other operations very similar to this Ukraine classic example, and we
just had it admitted in what multiple mainline publications that the Ukraine operation was one
of the biggest. There's just a human Events article with Prosobec and they're talking
about Ukraine was one of the biggest CIA operations in the history of the CIA,
and part of that would be their religious approach. As you can imagine.
Now we've done a good hour here, we're going to get into more
amount. Paul the six, John the twenty third, their relationships to the
OSS and CA, which vindicates and backs up other things that we've talked about.
We're gonna get into some of the other crazy operations that they would run.
We'll talk about the Four Freedoms again, which comes with wim Off,
but we're we're talking about militant liberty, which is is our operation. We'll
talk about fake and staged comings of Jesus that we talked about the other day,
and other admissions of grand projects, some of which never came to fruition,
some of which did. That again give us an idea of exactly the
type of ideology that we're thinking of here on the part of the maschinations of
operators in the CIA and things still going on today, even to the point
of utilizing I'm not kidding cryptids. Literally you book over a level stuff.
So we'll get into more of that because it was a great book, and
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