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Welcome back to Raised by Giants.
I'm writer Lee. We are live.

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Welcome everyone in the chat, moderators
and members out there, thanks for joining

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in. We have a very special
episode here for you guys today, the

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very first Stargate roundtable discussion, our
reunion of sorts with official personnel from the

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DA Stargate Remote Viewing program. They've
all been on the show multiple times.

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And first up, we have the
first remove viewer from the Stargate project that

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I first spoke to you with on
my show, who worked for over thirty

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two years for the intelligence community in
Washington, DC. The Defense Intelligence Agency

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hired her in nineteen eighty six to
participate in the Stargate Psychic Phenomenon program.

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Angela Ford, Welcome back to the
show. How are you, Thank you,

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Thank you for having me back.
How are you. I'm doing great.

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I'm really excited about this conversation we're
getting ready to have. And next

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up, we have retired Sergeant first
class who served in the United States Army

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and was and is a founding member
of the International Remote Viewing Association. He

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served as a trainer in the United
States Army Remote Viewing Unit from nineteen eighty

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four to nineteen ninety two and who
the movie The Manhisteric Goes is based off

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of Limb Buchanan. Welcome back to
the show. How are you doing,

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my friend? Great? Thank you
very much and thank you for inviting me,

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especially with this with this group.
I'm I'm very happy to be here

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with Angela and Day and very impressively
are you? So are you? And

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next up, last but not least, we have the director of the Stargate

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Project, the government program for researching
applications of remote viewing and aspect of extra

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century perception. And not only was
he the director, but he actually coined

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the name Stargate to symbolize the innovative
effort, well of expiration and expanded range

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of human potential. Dale Graff,
Welcome back to the show. How are

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you doing, my friend? Hey
listen, I'm great, Yeah, thank

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you very much for inviting me back, and particularly to be connected with the

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Angela and Lynn. This is always
like to have staff me an amazing reunion

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and righty gay attention. Okay,
so thanks for bringing us yet, no

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problem and it's a fantastic panel of
guests here. Incredible bringing you all here

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together. I feel very honored now
quickly, Dale, can you verify for

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the audience Angelo and Lynn's participation in
the unit, not that it needs to

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be verified, but for the sake
of the audience, both Angela and Lynn

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were in the unit when you were
there as the director of the program.

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Correct. Oh, oh, absolutely, In fact, they were there even

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before I moved up into that group
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they were there Christ even before I
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I had been down at the home
office of d IA and Washington, DC

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before that happened. But no question
they were up there and Angelo, I

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think from nineteen eighty six. Lynn, I might have even been also earlier,

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Lincoln probably feeling in antation that better
than I can. Oh yeah,

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live lived in and of course Lynn
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came back a little later after another
tour, so it was like a double

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tour for him. So absolutely these
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I think, Lynden, you were
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I think did you come the second
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I was there one time, always
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twice. So what year did you
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after you. Yeah, I came
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early eighty four. Yeah, I
came in in eighty six. But you

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were the but you were I came
in right after you. Like in other

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words, they picked you and then
I came in right Huh. I thought

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it was eighty four or eighty five. Yeah. Now, Angela and Lynn,

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you can both verify again, not
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but that Dell Graph was the director
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Meat. Correct, absolutely, yes, Now, Dell, what was if

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you can think back, what was
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at Fort me Was she accurate with
her technique by what you can remember as

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a removiewer? Well, of course, by the time, even before I

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was assigned to the unit full time, I would travel to the unit with

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a different cash and coordinate that and
look at the usults, and of course

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I was quite impressed by the data
issues even before I got there. And

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then of course there were times during
my tenure when we had some projects.

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Everybody was quite quite amazing in a
way, So of course I can verify

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that easily. What about Lynn?
What was he known for within the unit

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and was he accurate with his abilities
to remove you as well? Oh?

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Of course yeah, and Lind did
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people develop their own abilities. So
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him directly, the information was really
really standing and even sometimes when the task

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were not exactly clear, he seemed
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to that. And I can remember
times when he actually came to me afterwards.

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Is it even not doing a formal
tasking with impressions of something that he

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came up with after the task that
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Now, for my understanding and speaking
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in the Stargate project, this was
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unit, with only about it.
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of this unit since its inception in
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around between Army Intelligence and the DA
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only twenty people were ever involved is
incredible. Maybe only ten to fifteen people

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at one time were there, possibly
even less, And with that being said,

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such a small unit, there seems
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the people that were a part of
the unit. Now, But were you

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guys close with each other then,
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at that time? I always like, go ahead, angel Yeah, I

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always got along with Yeah. I
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to sit beside you, right,
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The animosity they showed that afterwards was
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kept stirring things there and trying to
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each other and actually ended up we
were all against him because he up and

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uh, and so that's where the
whole thing, the animosity came from,

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the inn it. I replaced Joe
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all uh, the others very good
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and let me say one thing that
I don't think I've ever said before.

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In the database, I was looking
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Usually one of the highest accuracy ratings
was Angela Angela delapi Or at the time,

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but she had just amazingly high accuracy, and that was fantastic. Now,

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were you getting this feedback at the
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some of it it's hard because a
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lot of times, you know,
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the analysts. It was just that's
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You collect information, you give it
to the analysts, and they either use

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it they don't use it. I
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that I've spent in the intelligence community, it was only nine of those years

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that I was a remote viewer where
I collected the intelligence. But my other

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years I worked as an analyst.
And as an analyst, I was so

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busy reading things and trying to put
papers together and try to get published because

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you have to. You write papers
so that the policymakers can make decisions on

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what to do. And the last
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so it really didn't matter where it
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the information. And I do know
that the collectors you need to you need

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to tell them, hey you did
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this, But that was the last
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have to be reminded, you know, go or the collectors helping you if

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they are, go tell them that
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I was so, I guess that's
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Is that right, Lynn? Yeah? Sure, I know one time I

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was at the DA because of asking
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I'm sorry, you're not cleared for
the information you get. Yeah, many

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times we would get a general idea, maybe not just specifics, and maybe

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nobody really know they really specifics sometime
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you know, we had to wait
for satellite photography results maybe six months after

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the fact, after session, before
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work we did other than just say
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But we were more interested in what's
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some of those projects which we had
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were some track projects we actually never
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so you, like Angela says,
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so to speak, to accept what
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very general. It would be nice
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many times in the intelligence work you
put pieces together and for any kind of

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intelligence system and then then you have
to wait a one to see what develops

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them, what you put together is
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takes months of years to do.
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times when you know there would be
a project of higher than we were and

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in order to give us feedback,
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was such a project. Well,
you know, that's the intelligence that's the

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nature of the intelligence community. But
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job on god and getting I mean, I think they did a good job

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on getting us customers, on getting
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we would go after if we worked
on something, there were certain things that

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we would go after and say,
can we give us feedback or something?

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Sure, Yeah, broke down us
on more quite well concerning the constraints that

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we had. Yeah, and then
there were people changing up front in the

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front office that kind of complicated the
issues from time to time. Now we

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had a a intelligence community work forced
to stoplish, which actually helped identify casts

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formula we would feed into the group
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a filtering on this too. And
look look at it from the point of

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view, is it we get feedback
even if we were correct, would it

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would it be worth while doing?
Or is it? Is the task a

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little bit beyond what we think we
can do it this time? And were

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some limitations on that. You know, somebody comes in and wants to know

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a precise number of the yield of
a certain weapon, and I'm not sure

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that that was passed on because the
number reliability is usually not that great and

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remote viewing yourself there, there's some
things we had to look at too.

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It filled her, but that did
pass through. You know, we kept

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kept badgering the customers, so to
speaking, and had a wait until more

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information became availab for them as well. Yeah, you have to you have

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to make the task and conducive to
remote viewing. Yeah. Now did this

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program have congressional oversight? Was Congress
aware of this remote viewing site taking a

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program? Oh? Actually, my
goodness, I's yes. In fact,

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every year there were annual reports and
reviews and briefings that went to various congressional

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levels of the House, Senate,
House and Senate Budget Committees SID to review

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it. There were other ways in
which the information must presented. But but

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you know, and sometimes it was
simply to a clost door hearing on on

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Capitol Hill, on the Hill as
we recalled it. So of course there

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were there were documents, There was
documentation, There was briefings that written reports,

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there were briefings, all these forms
of communication and more than an annual

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basis. I mean, you never
be sure when it would be a quick

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reaction task coming in on a Friday
afternoon at two o'clock, it had been

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finished by five o'clock that day for
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the DNA office and I'm trying to
pull a lot of this together and running

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up to Fort Mead. This is
before we actionally became a sign full time

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up there to try to put together
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This was a very continuous kind of
activity, but you got to be expressing

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it, and they could come in
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not always the more formula or the
informal connactions as well. Yeah, I

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only asked because there's a lot of
talk right now within the UFO congressional hearing.

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People are making claims that there are
special access programs that are being run

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above congressional oversight and I wasn't for
sure, because there's a lot of back

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and forth with some of these remote
viewing programs in the late seventies into the

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eighties and stuff. Some of them
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weren't, So I was just trying
to clear that up. Well, initially,

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I'd think that not all the activities
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part, for example, was part
of a special access program, even though

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current claims by individuals involved make it
solid. It was so in addition to

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the congressional oversighte, we had every
stringent scientific oversight as well. At the

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research level. Panels would meet maybe
if not annually, service semi annually,

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and within DA we had a dog
Department of Defense level. The scientific community

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convene every every few months, sometimes
every month, So we had that kind

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of oversight as well, not just
the progressional stuff, but a well a

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lot. And in fact, towards
the end of my tenure, it seemed

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like I was spending ninety percent of
my time involved in those kinds of committees

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and very little times I've been able
to really devote to the demands of the

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group, which was really upsetting to
me. It's spent a long time getting

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reports together and briefing at all not
just uncurditive but the history and everything.

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It was time consuming activity to be
constantly getting really pere in front of your

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view committees. Now, who was
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Was this UH? SRI International?
Or was this Army? Was this UH?

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on and I think it was nineteen
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and research effort beginning at the Stanford
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And then later on in nineteen seventy
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became involved infusually when I was with
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time we had allocated with small research
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was the Stanford Research Institute to continue
the research. So that was through at

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that time it was through the Air
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under the Defense Intelligence Agency, with
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it was mainly through through the group
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made I became the director of that
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Occasionally subcontracts were let out, but
those were a secondary They weren't the main

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focus program of the primary research that
we were that they were doing that was

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around, but we didn't do any
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we were in operational or the unit. We couldn't do that because the way

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our funding was allocated there was operational
prem we couldn't really actually do our own

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reperth. So do you have any
thoughts on this, Angelo, or I

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want to ask Lynn because I always
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this out to Lynn and deal.
But people always think there's another remote viewing

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program going on, and I don't
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I don't think there was. As
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each of our viewers did our own
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to become better, and we shared
the results and all that, but there

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were no formal like Dale said,
there were no formal research projects. But

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there was an incident when I first
got into the unit. I had done

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the p K and killed the computers
for grade in Germany, and Brian took

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me into the office and he said, we don't do that here. We

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do passive mental work and we don't
we don't respect things. And so I

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went out to my desk. Skip
that water came by and he said,

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I suppose Brian told you that we
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I said, yes, he did. And then Skip said something that he

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never explained and I never asked.
He said, that's right, we don't

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do that here and turned around and
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that, I have no idea,
Lyndon, what was he remember what generally

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he was referencing to at the time. Any any ideas I think that Odom

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was in charge at the time.
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but again I think the writer's question
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yeah, I don't think that we
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other than like you say, we
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own, many for proficiency. We'd
hardly collect research, but you had.

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like a research. You wouldn't be kidding

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yourself with the results. So they
are sure I did. I did some

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of those on the side myself,
but I never advertaging to anybody. So

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yeah, everyone does. When I
got German, people had all these charts

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and everything where he had been doing
sure, doing studiesiness do why you have

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good days and bad days? You
know. Now, sometimes there was confusion

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that came up because if we're other
people within the government that it took took

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it upon themselves to bring together people
that they called the remote viewers, and

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of course they weren't really through the
same route that we had development chosen,

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but that's what the term they used. I have no idea where these people

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came from. And they went off
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that happened at the time I was
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There was another group that was also
caught up in AP but we had nothing

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to do with that, and it's
sort of actually had a negative effect on

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on the results or the image of
our activity later on. But that group

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was totally independent, that was self
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certain an individual at congressional levels actually, but it was something people did.

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They just jumped into the scene,
started running with it. But it was

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not anything official and at all not
official. And you know, there were

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other little elements that popped up every
people said, oh they were part of

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because at that time, how many
people really were aware of the activity at

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Ford Meat. Yeah there's enough enough. I guess rumor floating around and they

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would say, yeah, there was
an activity like that somewhere. Okay,

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maybe Angela might remember better than I, but there was an activity, an

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incident one time where a journalists from
England. And I'm not sure if you

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were there at the time or not, but he actually had information about not

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only our unit but where we were
located roughly on Afford Meat had a meeting.

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I had to change on driving habits
and you know all too of your

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patterns in case you're being followed.
I had alert at based police and at

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all that. So we had to
take your caution because of them, these

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rumors that were floating around. And
there were other rumors too, so you

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never never really knew what what's going
to be coming up. It could be

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from some journalists, it could be
from someone that fancies themselves to be a

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competing room viewing group somewhere, not
necessarily be in the government. So those

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over so this was you you believe
that this was an actual remote viewing group

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from England. They were just and
they were just journalists that information and started

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investigative journalists. Yeah that makes sense. So a bunch of unofficial programs having

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since they started programs, maybe something
an individual clues together, Angela, have

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you ever been approached? Right?
Sorry, I would come up with a

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question and I would try something out
a hundred times, keep data on it.

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Sometimes I'd write a paper and turn
it in. But that wasn't anything

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official. That was just me trying
to answer a question. So it was

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my own research, but not it
couldn't be called task researcher. Yeah,

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Angela, have you ever been approached
in any unofficial capacity by anofficial to do

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some sort of remote viewing for them? Yeah? Whenever the program closed in

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nineteen ninety five, I went back
to d IA to be I was an

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analyst and there was an office that
it was very unofficial, very unofficial,

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but an office wanted me to look
at something for them, which I did

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on my own time. Well after
that, I don't know what information I

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received, but it was able to
help another gentleman. So they brought this

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other gentleman in and then I did
do something. It was in a it

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was an it was in an unofficial
it was unofficial, and but I did,

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I mean, somebody approached me to
help them. Did that happen to

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you at all in Oh yeah,
several times. A couple of times a

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colonel or a general or something would
come to the office and sort of leaning

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over the desk and say, hey, can you do me a favor?

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You know, the general says,
can you do me a favor? What

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are you going to say? No? But Lena was that during a project

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before it closed? Was out afterwards? That was while I was there in

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the project. Yeah, okay,
I thought it was probably much times after

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after. I'm talking about after they
closed the program in nineteen ninety five.

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Okay, yeah, after the program
closed, I've had several people from d

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I oh, Colin asked me to
do some things better. That's again totally

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unofficial. Yeah, yeah, I
would. I expected that was going on.

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I was quite aware of that myself, but by that time I was

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not on a scene because I actually
had left the DC area in nineteen ninety

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three, so I didn't really I
wasn't really up to all the little activities

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that were going on after closed.
But I did catch rumors. But you

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know, rumors are sometimes not reliable. Now, guys, there's a there's

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a group of people out there,
mostly on the internet day cleaned. They

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were a part of the storegate program
that we're that was opening up real portals

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like star stargate portals like from Star
Trek that would allow them to like time

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travel and go to different planets and
stuff and teleport which is completely preposterous.

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But I want to get your guys
comments on this to clear up that Army

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intelligence and the DA wasn't opening up
real stargate portals so the military personnel could

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time travel. Correct, not according
to not according to that stuff, No

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way. Well, you know,
of course you can argue theoretically that how

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does this phenomena work at all?
You know, something is being accessed that

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we don't understand. Now we can
give different labels. If I really wanted

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to exaggerate and say, every time
I did a pre cardage the project,

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this is after I left the project, was eye entering a time portal or

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portal hole or whatever you're gonna call
it. Sure, these concepts aren't bad,

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but there's nothing we didn't officially that
said we were zipping into a portal

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of it. You know, we
just accepted the fact that the stock work.

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We didn't give it that kind of
labeling. Some people like you to

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do in science fiction side, and
there are a lot of people claiming to

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be have been in the unit that
happened. We're never in the unit thing

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to do with it. Where do
you think that that confusion comes from?

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Though? Do you think that that
they're actively lying or do you think that

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they were possibly a part of something
similar like the Gateway process with Robert Monroe

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and they're getting it confused or what
do you think's going on there? Are

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they actively lying or are they making
it up? Or were they a part

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of something similar? The ones I've
staying are actively lying, Yeah, but

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they're generating or concept which they think
we'll get a lot of attention. There

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was a book that came out about
a year after or two after the name

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Stargate that we developed the name of
Stargate I think it was called the Stargate

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Conspiracy. And then there's a V
program, So that took a lot of

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traction. A lot of people associated
eye activities, you know, in hindsight,

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they thought was what we had.
So there were there were terms on

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portals in that book, but I
had actually nothing. I was a fiction

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book and obviously nothing to do with
what we were doing. So maybe some

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of that material from that book,
and I think there was a TV program

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that followed the Leader added to the
image of Hey, we're at for it.

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We were going into time portals and
a lot of stuff. So it's

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easy to build from what's in the
media and imagine things, but we never

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did anything our comes of the concepts
that we had never anything like that in

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it. Yeah, it seems like
a way almost too discredit what you guys

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were actually doing within the program,
to make it about this mythological thing that

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never really happened, to be able
to cover up what you guys are actually

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doing. That's the way that I
see it, and that's the way that

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I see disinformation and misinformation really working. It serves as a cover for the

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real thing. With your guys thoughts, I never would have thought of it

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that way. You know, we
never needed to be concerned about developing our

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cover because you know, we didn't
really have much exposure anywhere. I mean,

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like after the fact, after the
Star Day program had been disclosed and

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unclassified, right should go that way. I mean I don't mean like you

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guys actively doing it or people actively
doing it, but like the mythology surrounding

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it, creating a life of its
own, and then taking on a life

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of its own, and then being
regurgitated over and over again, not specifically

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to cover up the activities of ADA
or army intelligence, but an inadvertent way

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to do it. I don't know
if that makes sense or not. Maybe

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know who knows what the motives are. I mean, it kind of seems

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like the Philadelphia Experiment as well.
You know, you had the Philadelphia Experiment

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and then you have the movie The
Philadelphia Experiment that just threw on a bunch

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of lore and a bunch of mythology
on top of it. Yeah, you

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know, and even even at that
experiment that could be a glure of truth

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to it. We just don't know
what really happened when they were testing those

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high frequency radar systems on that ship. You know, he could have start

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up somebody's no rods in such a
way that they hallucinated. You know,

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you don't want to walk in front
of a high ENRAGA system like that and

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not expect some kind of effect from
from the radar energies going through your brain.

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So maybe something physiological did happen that
led to imagery and flights of fancy

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speak. But say that they were
real. You know, that's really stretching

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the point. Absolutely, And I
think that another thing that needs to be

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cleared up with this program. Were
children that ever involved with the Stargate program

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or the DA or Army Intelligence at
all children? Children? Nope, No,

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we we had, We had families, and we tried to keep the

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information away from them. But beyond
any hinting that our children might have had

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no, Nope, any comment on
that, Angelo or Lyn, No,

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we didn't know there was. There
was no such involvement. Now have you

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heard anything about that? You know, you we were closer to a lot

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of the ruin RELs than I was
in DC. And you also, Angelo,

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I moved out of the area when
what you could do move out of

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the area down it was it was
after ninety three. Yeah, yeah,

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I left ninety three. Well,
I I stayed there, but I didn't

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moved away until a couple of years
later. That's right. Yeah, Now,

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was to your guys's knowledge, was
SRI or SRI International ever involved with

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children or ever studied on children to
any of your guys's knowledge, not that

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I know of. Now. In
the paras psychology community, occasionally you find

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the groups of parasychologists going to schools
to to give them a standard ESP test.

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You know, not in recent times. But that's the closest I know

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of any psy psyche works. I
work with younger people, but we extractively

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adapted to say at our at our
times or in a time frame we're talking

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working with children directly, I certainly
have no knowledge and I can't believe anything

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like that ever happened. I think
we would have picked up something in our

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system, absolutely, I agree,
And that was just an important thing to

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clear up because there's a lot of
rumors in I want to try and clear

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that kind of stuff up with you
guys while I have you here. And

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there's another thing that people want me
to ask that I keep forgetting to ask,

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is that a lot of people suggest
that the entire unit was involved with

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scientology. And I think it's an
important thing to ask, the question,

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is anyone here involved or formally involved
with scientology? No? No, we

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would never connected with that activity at
all, you know, no one.

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Now you might want to push the
boundary here a little bit and say at

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one time Englishwan because he early on
he was a member of psychology, but

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then he abandoned out and be very
emphatic about it, but he was never

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an official member of the Unity.
Remained connected through the research side with ad

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May, but not in the Stargate
unit. Mean now no peace. Keep

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in mind the worst stargate really applies
only to the operational activity at Fort Meade

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were Lynn and Angelo and others were
involved in it, and the other and

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the preceding code words as well.
It related only to the operational activity,

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not to the research. Even though
it's being it's being assumed or subsumed currently

411
00:36:42.639 --> 00:36:47.199
people involved in research that it was, but the research activity was to support

412
00:36:47.679 --> 00:36:53.880
the operational unit, but they were
not part of stargate. Stargate is strictly

413
00:36:54.320 --> 00:36:59.880
and the previous names like Sunda Lane
and will Flame. It related only to

414
00:37:00.159 --> 00:37:06.119
people at Ford me and those that
were given access to the Ford me activities,

415
00:37:06.840 --> 00:37:09.760
but but not to the research that
was that was not part of the

416
00:37:09.920 --> 00:37:16.480
other classified special access program. Another
thing you'll hear too is people saying,

417
00:37:16.599 --> 00:37:25.760
oh, I was targeted by that
group. Yeah. Previously, UH Presidential

418
00:37:25.920 --> 00:37:31.480
Order eleven nine oh five was superseded
by twelve three thirty three, which actually

419
00:37:32.000 --> 00:37:40.480
forbade us from UH from collecting intelligence
on US citizens. You know, viewing

420
00:37:40.639 --> 00:37:47.360
US citizens, except of course the
thing you know, if it was for

421
00:37:47.519 --> 00:37:55.039
national security and all the things like
the rogue drug agents that Angela just nasled.

422
00:37:59.000 --> 00:38:01.480
Yeah, thanks for our clearing that
up. So nobody that you guys

423
00:38:01.519 --> 00:38:07.639
are aware of that was a part
of the Stargate program. Was an active

424
00:38:07.800 --> 00:38:10.519
member of Scientology. Where do you
think that that rumor? It? Can?

425
00:38:10.599 --> 00:38:19.079
I tell you it came from?
I think it came from SRI because

426
00:38:19.280 --> 00:38:24.719
Ingo Swan was a scientology, Pat
Price was, and there may have been

427
00:38:25.360 --> 00:38:30.960
other members that SRI I that were
scientologists, and I think that's where that

428
00:38:30.119 --> 00:38:34.079
kind of came from. And I
think Pat Price kind of went to the

429
00:38:34.199 --> 00:38:38.559
church and told them that he felt
as a scientologist he should tell them what

430
00:38:38.679 --> 00:38:45.760
he would. He was working with
with SRI and he had a low clearance

431
00:38:45.840 --> 00:38:50.880
for some classified information, and I
think that's where all of that came from.

432
00:38:51.039 --> 00:38:58.000
But not in our unit. No, that's crush. As I was

433
00:38:58.039 --> 00:39:04.199
saying earlier, it was especially related
to the earlier as a right, Yeah,

434
00:39:04.440 --> 00:39:07.639
of course, the operational unit of
Ford Read really didn't start getting momentum

435
00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:15.639
formulaly until on nineteen seventy nine,
So we're talking attivity as a back in

436
00:39:15.880 --> 00:39:20.760
nineteen seventy two and prior actually the
people were involved in that, so it

437
00:39:21.000 --> 00:39:25.679
would not connect it without at all
debunked. We just debunked it another one,

438
00:39:27.000 --> 00:39:30.960
another rumor down the toilet. No, no, that was It's odd,

439
00:39:30.559 --> 00:39:37.800
you know that the Scientology group,
even though I had studied it formula,

440
00:39:37.880 --> 00:39:42.320
I read the books, I would
never I wanted to know what it

441
00:39:42.400 --> 00:39:45.840
was about. So I got all
the l Ron Hubbard, Maturia I could

442
00:39:45.880 --> 00:39:49.639
find, just to know what people
were talking about, and so I was

443
00:39:49.800 --> 00:39:52.719
prepared to deal with it it should
he come up, and it didn't,

444
00:39:52.760 --> 00:39:57.599
not in the group, but surprisingly
before I even moved to Washington, DC,

445
00:39:57.719 --> 00:40:04.000
while I was still with the Forearm's
Intology division, a co worker had

446
00:40:04.039 --> 00:40:10.119
asked me to help him out to
try to counsel his son because his son

447
00:40:12.039 --> 00:40:15.400
was a member of Scientology. He
wanted to get out of the what he

448
00:40:15.519 --> 00:40:17.760
called a cult and he couldn't do
it, and he knew I was somewhat

449
00:40:17.840 --> 00:40:23.000
familiar with the readings of it,
and so I had And at that time,

450
00:40:23.719 --> 00:40:29.639
before I moved to DC, I
actually was involved in counseling work because

451
00:40:29.639 --> 00:40:36.920
I was interested maybe in developing an
extra line who worked through him through psychological

452
00:40:37.079 --> 00:40:40.320
counseling because I was my my interest
I had at a time, and so

453
00:40:40.880 --> 00:40:45.440
I worked with that individual and a
few others to try to you know,

454
00:40:46.519 --> 00:40:52.800
deprogram that. But that's that's my
closest involvement, and that was before I

455
00:40:52.920 --> 00:40:59.159
even moved to Washington, DC and
became involved in a Stargate unit. So

456
00:40:59.440 --> 00:41:07.360
when you just mentioning the ability to
spy on US citizens, and from my

457
00:41:07.480 --> 00:41:14.199
understanding, the Stargate program used remote
viewing or psychic phenomenon to collect intelligence information

458
00:41:15.440 --> 00:41:22.920
or on target right now, was
there ever a time that you can recall

459
00:41:22.280 --> 00:41:30.519
that it wasn't on a foreign target, that there was something else? Yes,

460
00:41:30.760 --> 00:41:34.079
let me let me jump in here. There is an exception to what

461
00:41:34.239 --> 00:41:40.119
Lin said, and that is if
the individual is an international fugitive and appears

462
00:41:40.199 --> 00:41:45.599
in all the international list of here's
here's the most wanted guard like that that

463
00:41:45.719 --> 00:41:50.519
list in England or London. I'm
sorry to Paris forgotten the name of it,

464
00:41:51.960 --> 00:41:58.119
that list international fugitive. If the
individual appears there and it's designated as

465
00:41:58.159 --> 00:42:02.119
an international fugitive, it's fair game. And that's that's what led us to

466
00:42:02.199 --> 00:42:07.679
work on the project that that den
Angela worked on. And I'm not certain

467
00:42:07.000 --> 00:42:12.119
now if Lynden wasn't, he probably
was. When we were trying to locate

468
00:42:12.440 --> 00:42:17.039
a fugitive in the US. We
didn't knowbody was at the time, but

469
00:42:17.119 --> 00:42:23.119
he had been a customs official that
it became a somebody that allowed the drug

470
00:42:23.199 --> 00:42:29.840
runners to run into ports and Florida
without being apprehended because he tipped him off.

471
00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:35.239
And when when he was discovered as
having this this role, he fled,

472
00:42:35.480 --> 00:42:38.280
it became a fugitive that the Customs
Department is trying to locate it.

473
00:42:38.639 --> 00:42:42.800
So he that's a that's an example
of somebody that's fair game. And he

474
00:42:43.400 --> 00:42:49.440
really was a US citizen. So
it's those kinds of circumstances where yeah,

475
00:42:49.599 --> 00:42:55.599
it can be we can work US
intelligence sources can be applied to a US

476
00:42:55.719 --> 00:43:02.840
citizen. Yeah, President at a
Learner twelve three year thirty three outlined it

477
00:43:04.599 --> 00:43:10.639
very succinctly as to what UH can
be and cannot be collected on US citizens

478
00:43:12.320 --> 00:43:19.960
and in what circumstances you so anything
other than so nothing other than a fugitive

479
00:43:20.079 --> 00:43:23.880
that might be in the United States. There wasn't any other task that didn't

480
00:43:24.000 --> 00:43:30.119
involve intelligence collection, whether that on
foreign intelligence collection, whether that be official

481
00:43:30.400 --> 00:43:40.039
or unofficial tasking. Yeah, I
guess yeah, what about the hostages they

482
00:43:40.119 --> 00:43:46.719
were what about the hostages in Iran? Yeah, those are US citizens,

483
00:43:46.880 --> 00:43:55.440
but of course they were. It
was in that national security and also the

484
00:43:55.559 --> 00:44:04.119
military security, and so so that
was allowable. We were looking into their

485
00:44:04.239 --> 00:44:07.320
private lawys. We were just trying
to find them. We're just trying to

486
00:44:07.400 --> 00:44:14.239
find them and hopefully get them rescued. Yeah, yeah, sure, Now

487
00:44:14.320 --> 00:44:17.360
I know Dale, you had a
small remote viewing unit at right Patterson Air

488
00:44:17.480 --> 00:44:23.639
Force Base that helped locate a missing
plane, which according to the documents I

489
00:44:23.800 --> 00:44:30.519
have happened roughly between somewhere in nineteen
seventy nine and nineteen eighty one, and

490
00:44:30.599 --> 00:44:35.960
it was considered the first operational tasking
from the army, which is also interesting

491
00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:40.559
because the documents didn't mention Dale's viewing
Air Force unit. And then the former

492
00:44:40.639 --> 00:44:44.960
president Jimmy Carter kind of blew the
whistle and down and made of public.

493
00:44:45.639 --> 00:44:50.320
Yeah, because that was really unofficial. We had a few people, maybe

494
00:44:50.599 --> 00:44:54.159
three at most, as pretty small, and we just simply we had the

495
00:44:54.239 --> 00:45:00.559
blessings so to speak, of the
commander and the shape scientists, stirred up.

496
00:45:00.960 --> 00:45:06.039
We energized us right after I became
a contract manager for the SRIRI work

497
00:45:06.079 --> 00:45:10.119
in nineteen seventy six. You just
made sense to see if if the claims

498
00:45:10.159 --> 00:45:15.239
that SRII was making at the time
that anyone can do this, because you

499
00:45:15.320 --> 00:45:20.480
know, now we would want to
qualify that somewhat. But then if this

500
00:45:20.800 --> 00:45:27.840
was that robust capability, then certainly
we don't want to let it go awry.

501
00:45:28.039 --> 00:45:32.000
And see if somebody innounced within the
Air Force that I was an air

502
00:45:32.079 --> 00:45:38.880
Force bag could also do this talent. Because when I wrote that the proposals

503
00:45:38.920 --> 00:45:44.320
initially for what we could do,
I kept focusing on finding airplanes because that's

504
00:45:44.360 --> 00:45:46.199
the kind of thing that the Air
Force likes to do if they missed,

505
00:45:46.440 --> 00:45:50.840
if they're losing an airplane, and
we got to find it. So so

506
00:45:51.159 --> 00:45:55.079
it's built from there, and it
was just fortuitous that the first task that

507
00:45:55.239 --> 00:46:02.559
came up, which was from the
Air Force, was to locate a missing

508
00:46:02.599 --> 00:46:09.360
airplane. So that's where that generated
from. So it was sort of a

509
00:46:09.440 --> 00:46:15.280
natural following on to our mission with
the Air Force. It was not what

510
00:46:15.440 --> 00:46:20.480
you recall intelligence collection, because this
is operational and they're working to find a

511
00:46:20.559 --> 00:46:24.599
missing airplane, So we started off
from that angle. And then and then

512
00:46:24.800 --> 00:46:31.719
later on of course, when skip
Adwater visited me at that battles An Air

513
00:46:31.800 --> 00:46:36.880
Force base and I finally learned and
this happened. This visit occurred about nineteen

514
00:46:37.000 --> 00:46:40.719
seventy eight or who it was the
first time I did England that the Army

515
00:46:40.880 --> 00:46:45.559
was going to be set up a
planning on serving up we're hoping to set

516
00:46:45.639 --> 00:46:50.960
up or operationally and at Fort Meads. Then then I realized, okay,

517
00:46:51.000 --> 00:46:54.320
well here's where the option is going
to be. And I didn't press much

518
00:46:54.360 --> 00:46:59.800
harder with myne group, but ftd
uh, I really didn't need to because

519
00:46:59.800 --> 00:47:07.159
I left shortly after enjoined the DA, so I didn't need to. It

520
00:47:07.360 --> 00:47:14.360
was the group of forward me when
I moved down to Washington. Now,

521
00:47:14.840 --> 00:47:19.480
through my study of remote viewing,
it seems like it's a catch all ability,

522
00:47:19.559 --> 00:47:22.760
and it seems like from what I've
spoken with you guys and others about

523
00:47:22.880 --> 00:47:28.440
everyone has the capacity to do it. And there's a lot of different terminology

524
00:47:28.559 --> 00:47:32.760
for different ways to remove you crv
RV, remote perturbation, remote influence,

525
00:47:32.840 --> 00:47:38.119
remote sensing, I'll bounder Beakin exercises
and it goes on in some cases,

526
00:47:38.199 --> 00:47:44.559
it's possibly even possible even our dreams
could be considered remove viewing in some aspects.

527
00:47:45.000 --> 00:47:49.800
So with that in mind, is
there a form of remote viewing that

528
00:47:50.800 --> 00:47:55.239
Angelo or Lynn, you guys feel
as being left out from the remote viewing

529
00:47:55.360 --> 00:48:00.480
world? Now and more emphasis needs
to be put on Angela, let's start

530
00:48:00.519 --> 00:48:06.000
with you first. I just always
I always thought remote doing was just it

531
00:48:06.159 --> 00:48:12.599
was just a term that the scientists
invented. To me, remote viewing always

532
00:48:12.639 --> 00:48:17.920
meant ESP extrasensory perception. And I
mean, if you know, sometimes if

533
00:48:17.960 --> 00:48:22.639
you do a session, it's like, however the information comes, you just

534
00:48:22.800 --> 00:48:25.480
let it come, and it can
be, it can come in many ways.

535
00:48:27.079 --> 00:48:30.880
I know a lot of times people
think that you see that you see

536
00:48:30.960 --> 00:48:34.480
a lot that you know, you
just you just see, you know,

537
00:48:34.599 --> 00:48:38.079
you have this, it's visionary.
And a lot of times when I would

538
00:48:38.119 --> 00:48:44.159
do sessions, it wasn't so much
visionary as feelings or other things would work.

539
00:48:44.760 --> 00:48:49.800
So I just always called everything ESP. And then I guess we kind

540
00:48:49.840 --> 00:48:53.639
of break it down to our terms
to make sense to whoever needs it.

541
00:48:54.320 --> 00:48:58.400
I guess we call I guess people
just need it to make sense to them

542
00:48:58.480 --> 00:49:01.719
in some way. I don't know, what do you think. I know

543
00:49:01.920 --> 00:49:07.320
that everybody who starts some kind of
a project of their own likes to use

544
00:49:07.400 --> 00:49:13.079
their own terminology and create their own
terms for terms that are already well in

545
00:49:13.239 --> 00:49:17.760
use and all that. That's sort
of there saying statement, it's my field,

546
00:49:17.880 --> 00:49:27.639
and I'm doing this. But I
learned the English one technique, now

547
00:49:27.800 --> 00:49:31.960
use English one's method, terminology and
all that, and I've stuck to that.

548
00:49:32.239 --> 00:49:42.360
I've not needed anything else. However, I am well aware that there

549
00:49:42.400 --> 00:49:46.000
are many forms of psychic functioning,
and there are many people who are really

550
00:49:46.199 --> 00:49:54.960
really good at it, and so
you know, I see no problem with

551
00:49:55.079 --> 00:50:01.599
them using their own terminology. I
would love to see some coherence in the

552
00:50:01.760 --> 00:50:08.199
field. But I know that the
English Swan technique almost everybody who does it

553
00:50:08.639 --> 00:50:15.880
does it slightly differently according to their
own needs and all. But the structure

554
00:50:15.920 --> 00:50:22.519
of the NGOs Swan technique is what
you report in. And that standardized reporting

555
00:50:23.039 --> 00:50:31.440
allowed the military and now allows project
managers and all that. To look at

556
00:50:31.519 --> 00:50:36.000
something, they know the structure,
they go through it, they get the

557
00:50:36.079 --> 00:50:39.480
information out to where it needs to
be much faster. And that's really the

558
00:50:39.599 --> 00:50:46.239
strength of the EINGOS Swan technique is
the structure of the reporting. But yeah,

559
00:50:46.360 --> 00:50:53.159
people use other terminology, and we
find ourselves constantly trying to translate back

560
00:50:53.199 --> 00:50:58.239
and forth to each other when we
talk to each other. You know,

561
00:50:58.360 --> 00:51:02.800
it's it's it's sort of a hey, I was out there. Terminology wise,

562
00:51:04.639 --> 00:51:10.360
Do you feel Lynd that being able
to remove you also boost your other

563
00:51:10.639 --> 00:51:19.079
senses like intuition or precognitive abilities as
well. Yes, what you get your

564
00:51:19.079 --> 00:51:24.760
subconscious mind, once you get your
inner child grown up and give it rights

565
00:51:24.800 --> 00:51:29.719
and responsibilities. Oh yeah, sometimes
you can't shut it up. Yeah,

566
00:51:31.039 --> 00:51:35.039
Angelo, you have any thoughts,
No, that's right, Yeah, I

567
00:51:35.119 --> 00:51:39.880
mean, I yeah, I agree
with what Lynn said that. I guess

568
00:51:39.920 --> 00:51:45.079
people just they need to make it
comfortable for them so somehow they can learn

569
00:51:45.199 --> 00:51:49.440
or improve or whatever. But I
just and I know that, you know,

570
00:51:49.639 --> 00:51:54.039
extrasensory perception that's different than maybe PK
or psychokinesis, and then there's clair

571
00:51:54.079 --> 00:52:00.719
buoyancy. But it's just everybody just
always said they have to label something to

572
00:52:00.840 --> 00:52:07.960
make it comfortable for them to be
able to I think I think extrasensory perception

573
00:52:08.159 --> 00:52:14.239
is one of the best overall terms. Yeah, I think so, Yeah,

574
00:52:15.519 --> 00:52:22.480
right, it avoids pre judging and
also psi ci phenomenon because that was

575
00:52:22.039 --> 00:52:28.559
that we wore of an umbrella term
which takes care of all the newances that

576
00:52:29.039 --> 00:52:32.239
we can come up with. And
you know, uh, years ago in

577
00:52:32.320 --> 00:52:38.480
the beginning of form of research,
usually with Javid Giant's work and maybe a

578
00:52:38.639 --> 00:52:46.079
few years earlier in England, these
they tended to categorize and Archangelo was saying

579
00:52:46.559 --> 00:52:52.519
these words sometimes they are more comfortable, where it's more to make us comfortable,

580
00:52:52.880 --> 00:52:57.679
make us understand something that we don't
fully understand. So the originally the

581
00:52:57.920 --> 00:53:01.840
terms related to the sensory process as
if it was something like an image recalled

582
00:53:01.880 --> 00:53:07.000
for alloyance, if it's something that
we heard or felt, or if then

583
00:53:07.039 --> 00:53:10.679
we be clear audience and we all
these clear seeing or terms that came out

584
00:53:10.760 --> 00:53:16.679
of the French side. So they're
just the worst to categorize a way in

585
00:53:16.760 --> 00:53:23.880
which the information is perceived. So
if you can walp that together and say

586
00:53:23.920 --> 00:53:29.920
it's ESP, it covers all of
that, or go to the more phenomenon

587
00:53:30.199 --> 00:53:35.159
concept that's sigh whichever under that,
which is the research term for the area.

588
00:53:35.400 --> 00:53:38.719
By the way, So my preference
is to stay more, to stay

589
00:53:38.760 --> 00:53:44.400
more in the generic side, people
have a preference to do this or that

590
00:53:44.840 --> 00:53:49.960
or or follow the c r V
or Lynn's talking about, or more they

591
00:53:51.239 --> 00:53:57.079
more general approach like engine has or
some of the work I've done since since

592
00:53:57.199 --> 00:54:01.840
I have left the business more doing
pre cogentive dreamwork. So how do you

593
00:54:02.000 --> 00:54:06.159
call it? What do you call
that? You know and dreams, you

594
00:54:06.199 --> 00:54:09.400
have all that stuff going on,
you have imagery, sounds, feelings,

595
00:54:09.480 --> 00:54:14.400
has the whole business, So what
do you call that? So I'll just

596
00:54:14.639 --> 00:54:20.000
call it precogent precognition. Yeah,
So that's the other topic too, is

597
00:54:20.679 --> 00:54:23.639
you know, what are we dealing
with? We be dealing with a phenomenon

598
00:54:23.679 --> 00:54:30.679
and that's primarily here now oriented or
is our our information really primarily a future

599
00:54:30.760 --> 00:54:37.519
oriented process that we're accessing. So
that's an area I'm really interested in trying

600
00:54:37.559 --> 00:54:43.000
to do some independent research in that. One of the problems I have with

601
00:54:43.199 --> 00:54:47.360
the use of remote viewing is everybody
thinks, oh, I'm a remote viewer.

602
00:54:47.880 --> 00:54:52.760
Well, oh, they should be
using the general term because remote viewing

603
00:54:53.119 --> 00:55:01.280
is a subset of SI phenomena like
dowsing and whatever. But new people come

604
00:55:01.360 --> 00:55:08.000
into the field and they may have
the talent to be a top notch dowser,

605
00:55:09.119 --> 00:55:13.880
and yet somebody says, oh,
you're a remote viewer. You have

606
00:55:14.119 --> 00:55:19.199
taking this one or this other or
you know, and it takes them away

607
00:55:19.320 --> 00:55:24.039
from their natural ability. Oh but
I really relate to that. Thanks you

608
00:55:24.039 --> 00:55:31.519
for growing out out. What's talking
about the future? Dale? Really brings

609
00:55:31.559 --> 00:55:35.280
me into my next question. I've
had a lot of people harp on me

610
00:55:35.480 --> 00:55:38.559
for talking about the past so much, But you have to understand the past

611
00:55:38.679 --> 00:55:44.840
to understand the future. So this
next question is going to be about the

612
00:55:44.920 --> 00:55:51.119
future and what the future of the
United States and in turn the world looks

613
00:55:51.199 --> 00:55:53.639
like, especially with all of the
things has happened in the past three years.

614
00:55:54.360 --> 00:55:59.119
Lynn, I know that you remote
viewed. I think it was the

615
00:55:59.239 --> 00:56:02.079
next fifty years and the next thirty
years back in the late nineties or their

616
00:56:02.159 --> 00:56:07.760
early two thousands. Am I correct
on that basically in the next sixty years,

617
00:56:07.840 --> 00:56:13.760
you know, sixty years? Yeah? Did you let the audience know

618
00:56:14.280 --> 00:56:20.280
what's your removied about that? I
didn't find many really good things and things

619
00:56:20.400 --> 00:56:29.360
like I got the old transcript out. In the year twenty twenty, people

620
00:56:29.440 --> 00:56:38.599
will start separating, will be communicating
more through technology than face to face.

621
00:56:38.800 --> 00:56:49.119
And they will effect be actively avoiding
face to face different things like schools will

622
00:56:49.639 --> 00:56:53.440
empty out, businesses, downtown areas
will you know, empty out in all

623
00:56:53.480 --> 00:57:04.159
of this and projected on further.
I've been watching the the things come true

624
00:57:05.079 --> 00:57:09.360
and the part of it that I
hope I'm wrong on. But Stephen Schwartz

625
00:57:09.559 --> 00:57:15.000
and his group viewing the future seems
to have found out about the same thing.

626
00:57:15.679 --> 00:57:21.760
I found out that by the year
twenty forty, about seventy five percent

627
00:57:21.920 --> 00:57:28.880
of the country's population will have been
wiped out. And I want to be

628
00:57:29.000 --> 00:57:34.719
wrong on that. There are many
things I view that I want to be

629
00:57:34.800 --> 00:57:39.920
wrong on. Angela. Have you
I don't think I've asked you before.

630
00:57:40.199 --> 00:57:46.000
Actually have you done any remote viewing
on the future and what's in store for

631
00:57:46.239 --> 00:57:52.159
the next let's say, twenty forty
years at all? I haven't. I

632
00:57:52.880 --> 00:57:57.239
haven't. But I think things.
I mean, I think things are happening

633
00:57:57.320 --> 00:58:04.079
now that when I was years ago. I think with the tent with the

634
00:58:04.800 --> 00:58:07.039
earth change, you know, I
guess, with the hurricanes, with the

635
00:58:07.119 --> 00:58:09.960
earth changes, with the earthquakes,
I picked up a lot of that type

636
00:58:10.000 --> 00:58:21.559
of information which would change the Earth's
formation and that and that's something that something

637
00:58:21.679 --> 00:58:28.920
keeps coming in where I guess that
the way that we that there won't be

638
00:58:29.360 --> 00:58:34.079
there won't be international boundaries or there
won't be national boundaries between countries. I

639
00:58:34.159 --> 00:58:37.199
feel like that's gonna there's going to
be a breakout breakdown there, and that

640
00:58:37.320 --> 00:58:43.840
may be happening now. I you
know, I thought we would be further

641
00:58:43.960 --> 00:58:50.719
ahead with the green energy, but
was still very dependent on oil. And

642
00:58:51.239 --> 00:58:55.679
I just feel like certain things aren't
changing as quickly as they should. But

643
00:58:57.920 --> 00:59:00.599
again, there's a lot of free
will that goes into there's a lot of

644
00:59:00.679 --> 00:59:06.440
free will that goes into the future
too. What do you think that's one

645
00:59:06.440 --> 00:59:10.159
of the difficulties. But moving ahead
too far into the future, you know,

646
00:59:10.360 --> 00:59:15.519
and pre condge to work. I
don't call it remembering the future.

647
00:59:15.880 --> 00:59:21.079
That's a term I don't feel comfortable
with. It's it's precognition. You know.

648
00:59:21.199 --> 00:59:24.480
However, whatever term you wanted then
apply. But it just seems to

649
00:59:24.519 --> 00:59:30.599
me that these cycles, and as
a matter of how stream these cycles go,

650
00:59:31.360 --> 00:59:37.480
you know, and what a little
I've done which is not formally documented,

651
00:59:37.599 --> 00:59:43.519
but the idea of boundaries, like
Angela's pointing out, there's going to

652
00:59:43.559 --> 00:59:46.079
be some really significant changes here.
You know, we're thinking about the Canadian

653
00:59:46.239 --> 00:59:52.000
US border, not just the Mexican
line, because you're boundaries that have always

654
00:59:52.000 --> 00:59:54.199
been changing a lot. So there's
that that issue there, which is not

655
00:59:55.079 --> 01:00:00.840
to be surprising. There shifts all
the time and that part of the world.

656
01:00:00.760 --> 01:00:07.159
But I think cultural is simulation is
going to make a big difference in

657
01:00:07.440 --> 01:00:13.440
in the in the general populations throughout
the world. You know, the one

658
01:00:13.960 --> 01:00:19.079
area will become more dominant here in
the dominant day or so. You know,

659
01:00:19.719 --> 01:00:23.679
I see huge shifts there even in
this country and even before you know,

660
01:00:23.760 --> 01:00:28.239
even twenty years ago, if you
kind of sensed that that comment.

661
01:00:29.480 --> 01:00:35.559
But in terms of any any major
major conflicts, sure there'll be a saber

662
01:00:35.679 --> 01:00:39.840
round and they'll be thrusted dropping niglet
stuff like impudent does from time to time.

663
01:00:39.920 --> 01:00:45.199
But I don't see that happening.
But you know, there'll still be

664
01:00:45.320 --> 01:00:52.519
some rough times, economic disasters will
will hit. But that's actually that's been

665
01:00:52.719 --> 01:01:00.280
true in the past, you know. But his history unfortunately sometimes is not

666
01:01:00.400 --> 01:01:05.559
remembered too well. You're pointing out, right, we should study the history

667
01:01:05.679 --> 01:01:08.159
to understand the past, but many
of us do study the history and still

668
01:01:08.199 --> 01:01:15.199
don't understand the past go ahead,
So yeah, but the biggest, the

669
01:01:15.280 --> 01:01:20.039
biggest effect will be this technology,
a bit of social media. You know

670
01:01:20.199 --> 01:01:22.840
that. I don't think I foresaw
that impact. That's going to be huge

671
01:01:23.920 --> 01:01:30.639
in terms of forming opinions and shifting
perspectives right or wrong. We see that

672
01:01:30.760 --> 01:01:37.199
going right now in the political environment. So how that plays out, I'm

673
01:01:37.280 --> 01:01:42.920
not sure. I don't feel too
good about it. So I think there'll

674
01:01:42.960 --> 01:01:46.800
be some really tough times. My
feeling is they're going to be some nasty

675
01:01:46.880 --> 01:01:52.280
times I had, and and not
not just here in this country. But

676
01:01:52.719 --> 01:01:57.960
what will we be adaptable? And
one thing I try to do in the

677
01:01:59.039 --> 01:02:04.119
actually I have with the groups I
work with, and my focus is on

678
01:02:04.559 --> 01:02:10.800
precognition. So I'm trying encourage people
to accept what is in the new term

679
01:02:10.920 --> 01:02:16.800
future and be able to work with
it or around it. So life perspective

680
01:02:17.039 --> 01:02:22.920
is be alert, be prepared,
be flexible, and more people can do

681
01:02:23.079 --> 01:02:29.719
that and be forewarned through their intuitions
and dreams. I think we can navigate

682
01:02:30.159 --> 01:02:35.159
most of us when we adapt this, When we learn what side phenomena is

683
01:02:35.199 --> 01:02:38.320
and how it can be beneficial to
us. As groups that do this,

684
01:02:38.639 --> 01:02:45.400
then we can move a little bit
easier, maybe not easier, but survive

685
01:02:45.679 --> 01:02:51.360
better than some of the others that
maybe the issues in the decades ahead.

686
01:02:52.239 --> 01:02:58.119
Survivability may be a big key in
the future for all of us. When

687
01:02:58.239 --> 01:03:04.079
did you see anything to do with
the boundaries like Angelo and Dyll are talking

688
01:03:04.079 --> 01:03:07.639
about, did you see anything with
that? When you all I saw was

689
01:03:07.760 --> 01:03:16.840
the boundaries getting softer and more viable. But other than that, I didn't

690
01:03:17.400 --> 01:03:24.119
see anything specifically about that. And
and I like the way that they'll use

691
01:03:24.239 --> 01:03:29.280
the word that's precognition because remote viewing, as you put the task in the

692
01:03:29.480 --> 01:03:31.719
envelope, you put the picture in
the envelope, and you get the immediate

693
01:03:31.800 --> 01:03:39.119
feedback. So it is precognition.
It's precognition using the tools viewing, but

694
01:03:39.280 --> 01:03:45.320
it's it's precognition cognition. Yeah,
they're different tools. You know, years

695
01:03:45.360 --> 01:03:51.400
ago I studied some of the concepts
from the Egocacy Foundation, and you know,

696
01:03:51.440 --> 01:03:54.320
there's some really good insights there too
that we could adapt in the remote

697
01:03:54.360 --> 01:03:59.719
viewing community. And probably we have
individually, although we don't call it.

698
01:04:00.519 --> 01:04:05.679
Lots of insights from from different experts
and proficient individuals in the past, so

699
01:04:06.239 --> 01:04:12.960
not not just what we learned from
becos Wan. But people, Yeah,

700
01:04:13.280 --> 01:04:16.599
my mother was a big Edgar Casey
and they were he was more likely to

701
01:04:16.719 --> 01:04:26.000
meditation or health visualization. Yeah,
I think I think he also he put

702
01:04:26.039 --> 01:04:30.039
a book he couldn't read. He
was basically illiterate, and he would put

703
01:04:30.119 --> 01:04:33.760
a book under his pillow and I
sleep his put his head on the pillow

704
01:04:34.280 --> 01:04:39.400
with a book underneath the pillow,
and then wake up and would know everything

705
01:04:39.480 --> 01:04:44.960
in the book, apparently according to
Lare and according to people that knew him

706
01:04:44.960 --> 01:04:53.960
at the time, which is pretty
interesting. Yeah. So there's someone that

707
01:04:54.119 --> 01:04:59.880
was mentioning something about time in the
chat and it was Lorietta here she sa,

708
01:05:00.000 --> 01:05:02.360
does that? Come on, writers? You know time? There is

709
01:05:02.480 --> 01:05:08.519
no time? How do you guys, How do you guys perceive time when

710
01:05:08.719 --> 01:05:15.760
you're remove viewing or maybe you're not
even remove viewing or using your psychic abilities.

711
01:05:16.400 --> 01:05:21.599
Well, for me, obviously there
is time. He can't get around

712
01:05:21.639 --> 01:05:27.920
that. But I see it as
part of the space time continuum, which

713
01:05:28.000 --> 01:05:34.360
means that when you get really esoteric
about it, that since space is three

714
01:05:34.440 --> 01:05:41.119
dimensional and time is a part of
that continuum, time has to be three

715
01:05:41.199 --> 01:05:46.599
dimensional two, which means you can
go sideways off it angles in time and

716
01:05:47.400 --> 01:05:55.400
forward and backward and all this.
But that's getting pretty far out there,

717
01:05:55.639 --> 01:05:59.840
you know. But that's the way
the time is. It's and to go

718
01:06:00.079 --> 01:06:06.800
part of the specstime continue, Angelo, you do anything, I don't know.

719
01:06:06.920 --> 01:06:12.280
I know, whenever I do remote
viewing, I don't know. I

720
01:06:12.400 --> 01:06:16.199
think that it's always easier to remote
view the past in the present, but

721
01:06:16.280 --> 01:06:21.039
it's hard to remote view the future
because it's because the free will and anything

722
01:06:21.119 --> 01:06:29.239
can happen, So that's hard sometimes. Noll you got anything on, Yeah,

723
01:06:29.880 --> 01:06:32.760
I've gone experments here. In fact, one of them got published in

724
01:06:33.519 --> 01:06:43.760
physics publication. When we were looking
at pictures are objective was to perceive pictures

725
01:06:43.840 --> 01:06:47.679
that would be published three days ahead
or seven days ahead at a specific age,

726
01:06:48.519 --> 01:06:51.719
and we were able to do that
with a really good degree of accuracy.

727
01:06:53.519 --> 01:06:59.239
Now here's the situation where the picture
hasn't been taken, the event hasn't

728
01:06:59.280 --> 01:07:06.039
yet occurred. So and some of
these are natural events too, windstorms or

729
01:07:06.280 --> 01:07:15.760
ice breaks, so somehow another there's
an element in the few that we can

730
01:07:15.960 --> 01:07:21.760
perceive that's either projected into the future
from known information that we've that we've perceived

731
01:07:23.519 --> 01:07:30.079
from a projection standpoint, or would
perceive a future that already exists in the

732
01:07:30.199 --> 01:07:34.480
future, then that's coming our way. You know. In physics as a

733
01:07:34.599 --> 01:07:43.800
term called retro causation links with the
idea that time equations, that electro dynamics

734
01:07:44.320 --> 01:07:48.360
have a solution that goes backwards in
time as well as forward. So something

735
01:07:48.920 --> 01:07:56.639
in the future is flowing backwards to
cause an incident now to happen, and

736
01:07:56.840 --> 01:08:03.480
we can maybe perceive that approaching them
through or the precording of ability. So

737
01:08:04.000 --> 01:08:11.079
some futures seem really quite text and
others or not that we have free will,

738
01:08:11.159 --> 01:08:14.679
I mean, now we get around
them. So to me, it's

739
01:08:14.760 --> 01:08:19.760
it's huge mystery h time the zooms
saying, and then there seem to be

740
01:08:20.000 --> 01:08:26.119
different aspects to time, and one
of them is that demension that runs into

741
01:08:26.239 --> 01:08:31.840
a future perspective with the recordant with
it and information with it at that point

742
01:08:31.880 --> 01:08:39.319
in time in the future. So
we have the ability to access some of

743
01:08:39.359 --> 01:08:42.960
this information, which is really quite
amazing. You know, why why would

744
01:08:42.960 --> 01:08:48.399
we as creatures have this abilities.
It's beyond survival, beyond darn Darwinism.

745
01:08:49.479 --> 01:08:54.279
You know, we don't need to
know, we might it might opinion nice

746
01:08:54.279 --> 01:08:58.520
to know it was around the corner
to more the tiger that's there. But

747
01:08:58.760 --> 01:09:00.119
what good is it for us to
know? Or am I be coming our

748
01:09:00.199 --> 01:09:03.960
way ten days from now? You
know that survival? Maybe it is I

749
01:09:03.960 --> 01:09:11.239
don't know so so so maybe it
is connected to a survival that we don't

750
01:09:11.279 --> 01:09:17.279
fully understand. And so the universe
is really constructed in in an amazing way

751
01:09:17.880 --> 01:09:23.119
that the future can be perceived.
And this is why I mean spending a

752
01:09:23.159 --> 01:09:28.159
lot of my years recently an actually
studying precognition. Is it the most amazing

753
01:09:28.239 --> 01:09:32.880
phenomenon in the wall? Of course, pek is. It's also amazing too,

754
01:09:33.520 --> 01:09:42.720
So it's it's something information exists about
the future. Now is it in

755
01:09:42.840 --> 01:09:46.680
the future. I don't know what
it's about the future? So is it?

756
01:09:47.079 --> 01:09:50.279
Is it? Where is that time
now? Or a projection of it?

757
01:09:50.840 --> 01:09:57.399
So yeah, I have all these
these questions I'm pundering. Yeah,

758
01:09:57.520 --> 01:10:02.600
And once you we found out long
ago that once you start teaching somebody the

759
01:10:02.920 --> 01:10:11.119
remote viewing, one of the first
things they do is view their feedback that

760
01:10:11.239 --> 01:10:17.000
will be given to them later.
You can give them a target and they'll

761
01:10:17.079 --> 01:10:21.600
do the target just fine. You
give them another target, but show them

762
01:10:21.720 --> 01:10:28.600
the wrong feedback. They won't get
in the target. They'll get of what

763
01:10:28.840 --> 01:10:33.760
you are showing, of the wrong
thing. They're actually just looking at few

764
01:10:33.880 --> 01:10:40.159
moments into the future. Yeah,
that's wild. No, speaking of the

765
01:10:41.119 --> 01:10:45.159
past, and it's easier to remove
you the past than the present. Have

766
01:10:45.680 --> 01:10:53.600
either you, Lynn or Angela went
back and viewed something of importance in the

767
01:10:53.720 --> 01:10:58.520
past, then if you have,
could you comment on that for the audience?

768
01:10:59.039 --> 01:11:03.319
Well, yeah, that's what you
train. No. Yeah, is

769
01:11:03.359 --> 01:11:10.039
there something the sticks in your mind
that just jumps out that you remove you,

770
01:11:10.399 --> 01:11:15.680
such as I don't know, the
Titanic sinking or anything of that nature,

771
01:11:15.720 --> 01:11:19.880
anything that just sticks out in your
mind about the past? Or one

772
01:11:19.960 --> 01:11:26.000
did the Aztecs cities into over night? Oh? What heavened to? Marilyn

773
01:11:26.119 --> 01:11:30.319
Monroe? Who you know all of
this? What did I think Stonehenge?

774
01:11:30.439 --> 01:11:35.680
I think we Stonehenge? And then
I think it was the uh when the

775
01:11:35.920 --> 01:11:43.800
Jewish people lived at the top.
Was that Massada? Was that Masada?

776
01:11:44.119 --> 01:11:49.279
We did that? We did stone
Hinge? What'd you figure out about Stonehenge?

777
01:11:49.399 --> 01:11:58.399
What happened there? I can't even
remember. I think it kind of

778
01:11:58.479 --> 01:12:01.680
came up a little esoteric for me. I mean I think it was more

779
01:12:01.800 --> 01:12:09.960
than just the stones in a circle. Like I said, those were practice

780
01:12:10.039 --> 01:12:15.479
targets where the target wasn't nearly as
important as the learning of what to do.

781
01:12:16.760 --> 01:12:21.960
And so you know, everybody has
their own favorite target, oh practice

782
01:12:23.039 --> 01:12:27.439
target. Oh yeah, I nailed
this one, and they will remember it.

783
01:12:27.720 --> 01:12:32.720
But for the most part, it
was just practice targets to teach you

784
01:12:34.359 --> 01:12:40.960
how to do something, either by
learning or just getting you to do it

785
01:12:43.000 --> 01:12:47.199
just as a habit. Yeah.
Yeah, But there's there's linen layers to

786
01:12:47.319 --> 01:12:54.479
this. You know, you might
be to describe quite well the appearance as

787
01:12:54.560 --> 01:13:02.760
it is now or reconstructed through archaeology, but purpose of it again, that's

788
01:13:02.840 --> 01:13:10.359
not apparent by looking at data.
So the purpose now, if it comes

789
01:13:10.399 --> 01:13:15.920
out at all in assessin make it
buried in our own subconscious aspectations, and

790
01:13:15.600 --> 01:13:20.000
we can't be absolutely certain it's an
accurate version. It could be just what

791
01:13:20.159 --> 01:13:27.039
we sort of deduced subconsciously. So
there's a there's an issue I have with's

792
01:13:27.079 --> 01:13:32.000
going back to these historical targets.
Once you get past describing the visuals and

793
01:13:32.840 --> 01:13:38.199
how it is now or is reconstructed, when you get to purpose, it's

794
01:13:38.520 --> 01:13:41.920
now we're getting to interpretation, and
I think, as we all know,

795
01:13:43.279 --> 01:13:49.960
interpreting a data as a challenge as
a real challenge, but we don't know

796
01:13:50.199 --> 01:13:56.159
what it really is. Yeah,
that thing, the history is not written

797
01:13:56.159 --> 01:14:02.520
by the victors, is written by
the survivors. And yeah, who's history

798
01:14:02.600 --> 01:14:09.680
book of your accession? Yeah,
well here's whatnot necessarily book? What substream

799
01:14:09.720 --> 01:14:14.079
and the collect and conscious are you? You can always get the picture,

800
01:14:14.359 --> 01:14:18.520
but when you go to purpose,
yeah, and attention and attention purpose,

801
01:14:18.640 --> 01:14:21.880
then things get a little bit fuzzy. That's right. You really need to

802
01:14:23.000 --> 01:14:30.760
need to qualify this is as interpretation. Yeah, well, is there anything

803
01:14:31.079 --> 01:14:35.119
that I'm gonna give you guys each
a little bit of time, starting with

804
01:14:35.399 --> 01:14:41.039
Angela first, if there was anything
that you wanted to talk about that we

805
01:14:41.119 --> 01:14:45.640
didn't get to talk about in this
amazing Brown Table discussion, and if not,

806
01:14:45.199 --> 01:14:48.760
let people know where they can find
you online or if you would like,

807
01:14:49.079 --> 01:14:53.399
uh, if anyone would like to
reach out to you with questions,

808
01:14:53.840 --> 01:14:57.239
let them know where they can contact
you. Do you have my email?

809
01:14:58.479 --> 01:15:00.960
Yes? I got tream them give
them my email. Do you have my

810
01:15:01.079 --> 01:15:04.680
cell phone number? I think it's
in the email. Yes. Okay,

811
01:15:08.319 --> 01:15:11.359
thanks so much, Angela I appreciate
your time this evening. Lynn. Uh,

812
01:15:13.800 --> 01:15:18.199
I haven't seen Lynn forever. It
looks great, Thank you. Lynn.

813
01:15:18.359 --> 01:15:23.079
Was there anything that you would like
to mention that we maybe didn't cover

814
01:15:23.399 --> 01:15:28.479
in the roundtable discussion here and if
not, then let people know where they

815
01:15:28.520 --> 01:15:33.279
can find you, Like Angela said, I think you have my website and

816
01:15:33.439 --> 01:15:43.800
my email. Also, I'm teaching
online now rather than in person. And

817
01:15:44.479 --> 01:15:48.680
I'm also I bought a ranch.
It's we're in the middle of nowhere called

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the remote view Ranch. It's remote
and what a view And uh oh,

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we're going to be doing all kinds
of tying for police departments, for students,

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for anyone, and we're in the
process of developing right now. There's

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a page called remote view ranch dot
com. And anybody wants to look at

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what we're doing, have a good
look. Yeah, thanks so much,

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Leanna, appreciate your time this evening. Dale. Do you have anything for

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that we possibly didn't cover in the
surroundtable discussion before we wrap up? Well,

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again, my shift from my dage
with the remote viewing research, and

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then of course my connection with the
story eight unit and the previously named code

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words for that unit. And since
I've left the Washington, DC area GOSH

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two decades ago. My focus has
really been on interwork, dreamwork and pre

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contented dreams and synchronicities. And synchronicity
is a key to understanding precognition up to

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some level of precognition, and it's
a very important aspect of our lives,

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and many we have synchronicities. We
may not recognize them, but it's another

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way of saying or recognizing the fact
that we are constantly scanning the future and

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and at times when we do things
we don't know why we do it and

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turn out to be really, really
good. We found the saying that we

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were looking for somehow we did we
do that or the right person bump into

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that. It was a synchronistic kind
of experience, but all along it was

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there in our subconscious minds through our
pre cognitive abilities, and we were able

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to navigate and have that intersection.
So synchronicity and precognition the things that fit

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together, and that's kind of what
I've been doing in recent years and some

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of my informal work and more formal
drink research. I stay with dreams now

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because I find it's a lot easier
for people to do that, and again

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not looking for details content information,
but just enough to help people out.

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And you don't need to fulfill a
page data and all you need to need

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one piece of good information and I
think we can get out of So I'm

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doing that. And if anybody wants
you to learn a little bit more,

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do you have an email and you
get contract me there. Thanks so much,

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guys, really appreciate your time this
evening. It was an honor and

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a privilege to have all of you
guys here. I would love to do

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it again sometime. We can do
it anytime. Thank you guys so much,

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