WEBVTT 1 00:00:04.440 --> 00:00:09.919 A passionate instigator and dynamic problem solver. Doctor Kevin ross Emery, the host 2 00:00:10.000 --> 00:00:14.000 of the Doctor Kevin Radio Show, will be taking you outside the box, 3 00:00:14.279 --> 00:00:19.120 behind the curtain and identifying the load of bs we are fed every day. 4 00:00:19.480 --> 00:00:26.760 And now Doctor Kevin, Hello, Hello, Hello, and welcome to the 5 00:00:26.800 --> 00:00:32.759 Doctor Kevin Show. Here on old Times where we change the world. Wait 6 00:00:32.840 --> 00:00:38.039 for it, one ooh the time. We are a live call in show 7 00:00:38.240 --> 00:00:41.880 and you can call in with questions or comments by calling in at two O 8 00:00:42.000 --> 00:00:45.719 two five seven oh seven oh five seven. Again that's two O two five 9 00:00:45.759 --> 00:00:50.280 seven oh seven oh five seven. We are in the first Thursday of the 10 00:00:50.320 --> 00:00:55.560 month, the first Thursday of November, the second to last Thursday of twenty 11 00:00:55.679 --> 00:01:00.399 twenty three, and personally I cannot wait for twenty twenty three to be over, 12 00:01:00.719 --> 00:01:04.879 but that's a different story. And as in always the first Thursday of 13 00:01:04.920 --> 00:01:10.599 the month, we have none other than Matt Connorton. Matt Connorton comes from 14 00:01:11.040 --> 00:01:15.799 us from Matt Connorton Unleashed, which is his drivetime show four to six Monday 15 00:01:15.799 --> 00:01:22.079 through Friday at WMNH ninety five point three, or you can listen to it 16 00:01:22.159 --> 00:01:26.640 at Matt Connorton dot com or ipmnation dot com. If you go on Onto 17 00:01:26.879 --> 00:01:32.640 through your Internet, you can text him, you can I am him, 18 00:01:32.719 --> 00:01:34.519 you can be part of the conversation if you're not in the Manchester, New 19 00:01:34.519 --> 00:01:40.239 Hampshire area and cannot get it over the airwaves. We used to look at 20 00:01:40.239 --> 00:01:49.400 Matt as our political our political junkie analysts expert, but he still does that, 21 00:01:49.560 --> 00:01:52.159 and he still does that for us here at the Doctor Kevin Show, 22 00:01:53.519 --> 00:01:59.200 but he has split his own show up between supporting local musicians and artists, 23 00:02:00.239 --> 00:02:04.079 not just local. Sometimes he gets people that are not local, local, 24 00:02:04.319 --> 00:02:09.159 just loco on his show. So if you'd like a bit of politics and 25 00:02:09.240 --> 00:02:15.400 a little bit of local musicians or small bands, you know, people that 26 00:02:15.479 --> 00:02:20.039 you might not hear about in your top forty and you are a music geek, 27 00:02:20.960 --> 00:02:24.000 you want to tune into Matt connorton so music geek, political geek, 28 00:02:24.039 --> 00:02:28.599 and then there's just a meet geek known as Matt Connerton. Matt, welcome, 29 00:02:29.840 --> 00:02:31.360 Hey, how you doing Doctor Kevin? I actually lost you there for 30 00:02:31.400 --> 00:02:36.000 a few seconds, but I don't think I missed I don't think I missed 31 00:02:36.039 --> 00:02:38.759 anything significant. It sounded like you were just promoting my show, which I 32 00:02:38.840 --> 00:02:45.680 appreciate. Yes, I was promoting your promoting. Your show is now split 33 00:02:45.759 --> 00:02:51.240 up with between mostly local bands, some larger than local bands, but mostly 34 00:02:51.319 --> 00:02:54.439 you know, you're discovering musicians. So that's what I was saying is you 35 00:02:54.439 --> 00:02:59.960 can be both a political geek and a music geek and enjoy Matt connorton Monday 36 00:03:00.000 --> 00:03:05.840 through Friday four to six, or you can come here once a month where 37 00:03:05.879 --> 00:03:10.319 we keep him more on the political geek side and whatever else tickles our fancy. 38 00:03:10.439 --> 00:03:15.120 So, Matt, how are you doing? I'm okay. It's cold 39 00:03:15.120 --> 00:03:20.800 outside, which I'm not a fan of, but I'm okay. I know 40 00:03:20.919 --> 00:03:23.639 exactly how cold it is outside because I'm outside walking as we're doing this show. 41 00:03:24.560 --> 00:03:29.520 Ah. Yeah, you like to walk in the woods, don't you. 42 00:03:30.879 --> 00:03:32.919 I do. I like to walk in the woods, and occasionally, 43 00:03:34.360 --> 00:03:38.400 when it's this time of the year, I walk in mostly quiet neighborhoods, 44 00:03:38.800 --> 00:03:44.840 so you may hear occasional car going by, because at certain point the woods 45 00:03:44.879 --> 00:03:47.840 get too dark and I start tripping over things, and somehow it just doesn't 46 00:03:47.879 --> 00:03:53.560 sound good on the air for me to go. I'd be made for some 47 00:03:53.840 --> 00:03:59.240 exciting radio, I think and see. Personally, I'm terrified of the woods. 48 00:03:59.280 --> 00:04:01.879 You know, you've got deers, you've got mountain lions, you've got 49 00:04:01.879 --> 00:04:04.680 the Blair Witch. I mean, there's a lot that can get you out 50 00:04:04.719 --> 00:04:11.360 there. Hope you're being careful, you know, I am being careful. 51 00:04:11.400 --> 00:04:14.039 And right now, they'd have to go through so many layers of clothing, 52 00:04:14.080 --> 00:04:17.879 they'd break their four teeth before they could get to me. Ah, even 53 00:04:17.879 --> 00:04:23.759 the blair Witch, even the Blair Witch. Hey, look, I can 54 00:04:23.839 --> 00:04:30.839 survive our current political situation. I can survive anything. Nothing is more horrifying, 55 00:04:30.920 --> 00:04:35.480 that's than what's going on in Washington right now. Right. But outside 56 00:04:35.519 --> 00:04:40.000 of that, Yeah, I'm doing fabulous, and you you're doing well. 57 00:04:40.279 --> 00:04:45.079 Jenny's doing well. Yes, yeah, yeah, you know there's there's always 58 00:04:45.160 --> 00:04:49.360 challenges, but we just keep going. Well, you know, what would 59 00:04:49.399 --> 00:04:54.800 life be without a little challenge? If you called boring, right, that 60 00:04:54.959 --> 00:04:58.480 is true, That is true. I suppose we're wired for a challenge. 61 00:04:58.600 --> 00:05:04.439 So so I want to start out, obviously, I want to We've got 62 00:05:04.600 --> 00:05:08.959 lots of political stuff to comment on. And again we don't have to leave 63 00:05:09.000 --> 00:05:15.879 it to political but you know, I like to pick your political brain. 64 00:05:15.519 --> 00:05:23.199 But I would like to see you give a definition and I'm happy to weigh 65 00:05:23.240 --> 00:05:30.759 in afterwards or whatever. I want our listeners to really understand the atrocity known 66 00:05:30.920 --> 00:05:35.800 as Christian nationalism, since the new Speaker of the House is a big proponent 67 00:05:35.879 --> 00:05:41.439 of it, and I don't think a lot of people actually really understand. 68 00:05:42.000 --> 00:05:46.079 They get sucked in and misled by the fact that it has the word Christian 69 00:05:46.279 --> 00:05:50.439 in front of it. How would you define Christian nationalism for our audience. 70 00:05:53.920 --> 00:05:57.199 Oh, that's a good question. I mean, I can tell you. 71 00:05:57.560 --> 00:06:00.079 I mean, I don't know what the textbook definition would be, but I 72 00:06:00.079 --> 00:06:05.639 I can tell you. My impression is that Christian nationalists are first of all, 73 00:06:06.399 --> 00:06:12.240 not believers in the separation of church and state. That they believe that, 74 00:06:13.720 --> 00:06:18.319 you know, that America is God's favorite and that there was some sort 75 00:06:18.319 --> 00:06:24.720 of divine providence and in uh, in the establishment of our country, and 76 00:06:24.759 --> 00:06:32.519 that that you know, we should be we should adhere as as Americans. 77 00:06:32.519 --> 00:06:35.879 We should be we should be Christians and adhere to what's in the Bible, 78 00:06:36.000 --> 00:06:46.000 and and not be afraid to allow the Bible to dictate our laws and and 79 00:06:46.000 --> 00:06:48.560 and that and that ultimately, uh, that's who should be in charge is 80 00:06:48.879 --> 00:06:55.120 white Christian men. Uh. The Christian patriarchy should be run in the show. 81 00:06:55.399 --> 00:07:00.839 I mean, that's basically my impression of Christian nationalists. You know, 82 00:07:00.040 --> 00:07:03.240 they believe Christianity is the one true religion and it should be the one true 83 00:07:03.279 --> 00:07:09.639 religion of America and there's really not much room for anyone else. That's kind 84 00:07:09.639 --> 00:07:14.199 of my impression. I don't know if it's much of a definition necessarily, 85 00:07:14.240 --> 00:07:24.360 but that's my impression of Christian nationalism. It basically wants to move away from 86 00:07:24.360 --> 00:07:30.600 a democracy to a theocracy. Yes, yes, it wants the church to 87 00:07:30.680 --> 00:07:36.160 run the country. And our new Speaker of the House has actually made comments 88 00:07:36.240 --> 00:07:46.680 that the Constitution actually was telling the government it needed to protect the church and 89 00:07:46.399 --> 00:07:54.759 make sure that it followed the church, and that his very convoluted, incorrect 90 00:07:55.000 --> 00:08:01.160 interpretation of what the father and father said that you know, we are not 91 00:08:01.319 --> 00:08:05.759 here to protect any one single church. I think that was really made very 92 00:08:05.759 --> 00:08:15.920 clear and several not only like laws and constitution and the establishment, yeah and 93 00:08:16.279 --> 00:08:20.120 all the other stuff. But here is a man who is now third in 94 00:08:20.160 --> 00:08:26.439 line for president, and it's the Speaker of the House who is saying that 95 00:08:28.600 --> 00:08:33.000 we really, by all rights, shouldn't be a democracy. We're really a 96 00:08:33.039 --> 00:08:37.879 theocracy dressed up in democratic clothing. But you know, the only people that 97 00:08:37.960 --> 00:08:46.320 get to really count in the democracy are white Christian men and and so how 98 00:08:46.399 --> 00:08:52.039 horrifying is that to you? It's horrifying to me. Maybe it's not horrifying 99 00:08:52.039 --> 00:08:56.759 to you. I mean, but you know, we're going to break down 100 00:08:56.799 --> 00:09:00.919 into our if this man ends up with any kind of more power than he 101 00:09:01.080 --> 00:09:07.080 has, which with the clown show known as the GOP right now is questionable, 102 00:09:07.120 --> 00:09:13.559 how much actual power he'll get to put on before he gets pushed out 103 00:09:13.879 --> 00:09:24.559 the You know, we're going to have our own internal Israel and Palestine war 104 00:09:24.679 --> 00:09:31.200 going on, because how could we not what happens to all of the other 105 00:09:31.279 --> 00:09:37.440 religions that are in this country, which actually make up about forty percent, 106 00:09:37.480 --> 00:09:43.360 and if you put liberal Christian in them, Christians are anti Christian nationalism, 107 00:09:43.399 --> 00:09:46.679 the number gets even bigger. So like, where's this leading us? What 108 00:09:46.720 --> 00:09:54.399 do you think? Well? I don't think, see I have worries about 109 00:09:54.399 --> 00:10:01.799 Mike Johnson that that really have nothing to do with that specifically. I don't 110 00:10:01.799 --> 00:10:07.879 think mainstream America is interested in Christian nationalism. I think, and and I 111 00:10:07.879 --> 00:10:15.399 don't think a lot of Republicans are actually the conservative base buys into that stuff. 112 00:10:15.440 --> 00:10:20.519 But I don't think moderate, mainstream, college educated, suburban Republicans are 113 00:10:20.559 --> 00:10:24.919 are very interested in Christian nationalism. Fortunately, now, maybe I'm naive, 114 00:10:26.600 --> 00:10:33.799 but but that's that's my impression. And so you know, my my concerns 115 00:10:33.799 --> 00:10:39.279 about Mike Johnson are are not those aren't my worries. And by the way, 116 00:10:39.320 --> 00:10:43.039 there's actually something I like about Mike Johnson too. But and and you 117 00:10:43.039 --> 00:10:46.200 know, we can we can talk about that if you want to. But 118 00:10:46.200 --> 00:10:50.840 but I I don't know. I mean, I'm not that worried about I 119 00:10:50.840 --> 00:10:56.159 mean, you know, Mike Johnson, Yes, he's now Speaker of the 120 00:10:56.200 --> 00:11:01.480 House, but I don't think he's going to you be able to take us 121 00:11:01.519 --> 00:11:09.759 any further into his ideology just because he's Speaker of the House. I don't 122 00:11:09.799 --> 00:11:15.480 think. I mean, if anything, I think and again maybe I'm naive, 123 00:11:15.679 --> 00:11:20.679 but I think in a broader context, long term, I think his 124 00:11:20.879 --> 00:11:28.919 being Speaker of the House as a Christian nationalist is going to be very damaging 125 00:11:30.240 --> 00:11:37.159 to the Republican Party. And I think that they've already lost the House in 126 00:11:37.200 --> 00:11:41.480 twenty twenty four, and you know, if this is who's in charge now, 127 00:11:41.519 --> 00:11:46.039 of the Republican Party. I think it does a lot of harm to 128 00:11:46.120 --> 00:11:52.120 the party, So I'm not I'm not that worried about it. I mean, 129 00:11:52.159 --> 00:11:56.039 I think it's I think it's despicable this stuff, Like you know, 130 00:11:56.480 --> 00:12:03.559 he's advocated in the past, I guess for you know, outline being gay 131 00:12:03.759 --> 00:12:07.480 and you know, just the kind of crazy stuff you would expect from someone 132 00:12:07.519 --> 00:12:13.080 who believes what he believes and thinks what he thinks. But I don't think 133 00:12:15.480 --> 00:12:22.440 I don't think the Christian nationalist aspect that he brings is in and of itself 134 00:12:22.519 --> 00:12:26.799 much of a threat. It's not something I'm that worried about. And again 135 00:12:26.879 --> 00:12:33.120 maybe I'm naive, but it's not at the top of my list of things 136 00:12:33.159 --> 00:12:39.320 about Mike Johnson that really worry me. And there is a list, so 137 00:12:39.039 --> 00:12:43.200 let's talk about that list. And I also like this here what you like 138 00:12:43.240 --> 00:12:46.919 about him. I mean, I try to stay away from black and white 139 00:12:46.080 --> 00:12:52.600 Christian nationalism just gets on my last nerve. And I know that there's a 140 00:12:52.639 --> 00:12:58.039 lot of that behind the loading up with school boards and the banning ofw books, 141 00:12:58.120 --> 00:13:11.200 and it's a small, tenacious group that are kind of like the I'm 142 00:13:11.240 --> 00:13:16.519 trying to think, like locust. And they may not be many, but 143 00:13:16.559 --> 00:13:20.840 they destroy everything that they can get their little teeth on. They are, 144 00:13:20.159 --> 00:13:24.080 they are tenacious. And do you know where their tenacity comes from? Doctor 145 00:13:24.159 --> 00:13:33.240 Kevin, tell me, enlighten me, comes from the Lord. I'm just 146 00:13:33.320 --> 00:13:41.200 kidding, No, I mean, uh my. My worries about Mike Johnson 147 00:13:41.320 --> 00:13:46.519 are that he's going to take us into a government shutdown because he probably thinks 148 00:13:46.559 --> 00:13:52.720 it's a good thing. Uh, and he probably uh uh will not vote 149 00:13:52.720 --> 00:13:56.399 for a continuing resolution and he'll he'll he'll have no problem taking us into a 150 00:13:56.440 --> 00:14:03.080 government shut down. He's he's an insurrectionist. He's an election denier. Uh. 151 00:14:03.440 --> 00:14:07.600 He wanted to help Trump overturn the election. That worries me. If 152 00:14:07.600 --> 00:14:11.039 he's still Speaker of the House the next time we have, uh, we're 153 00:14:11.080 --> 00:14:16.159 facing the possibility of default, of going over the fiscal cliff. I think 154 00:14:16.200 --> 00:14:20.039 this guy would happily take us over the fiscal cliff. There are a lot 155 00:14:20.080 --> 00:14:24.679 of things about Mike Johnson that make him dangerous that that have really nothing to 156 00:14:24.720 --> 00:14:28.399 do with Christian nationalism per se. So my list, I have a separate 157 00:14:28.399 --> 00:14:31.639 list, like Christian nationalism would be very low on the list. There's other 158 00:14:31.720 --> 00:14:37.480 things about him, but I think, I think make him profoundly dangerous to 159 00:14:37.559 --> 00:14:46.639 the country and the direction we're going. Well. Two, I think it's 160 00:14:46.720 --> 00:14:52.519 two of the more more what's left of the dying breed of modern Republicans. 161 00:14:56.080 --> 00:15:01.159 Two have already said they're not running for reelection. Yeah, you know. 162 00:15:01.480 --> 00:15:09.159 And the thing is is every moderate Republican who might be able to be a 163 00:15:09.399 --> 00:15:18.919 pain in the side of the Christian nationalist and the Maga Maggot movement, you 164 00:15:18.000 --> 00:15:24.279 know, you know, opens up the door for another crazy to get elected. 165 00:15:26.360 --> 00:15:31.559 M So, I mean that makes me a little nervous too, because 166 00:15:31.080 --> 00:15:35.840 we have another whole we have another whole year before the House will turn over 167 00:15:37.200 --> 00:15:41.559 again, and it's probably going to go in a blaze of glory blue that's 168 00:15:41.559 --> 00:15:46.480 the way that's going now. But you can still do a lot of damage 169 00:15:46.480 --> 00:15:52.200 in a year, as you've just been pointing out. Right, Yeah, 170 00:15:52.320 --> 00:15:54.159 now they've I mean, they've already given up the House for twenty twenty four. 171 00:15:54.200 --> 00:15:58.559 In my view, I mean, I'm off and wrong, but yeah, 172 00:15:58.639 --> 00:16:04.879 I believe that because this recent debacle with the ouster of McCarthy and then 173 00:16:04.919 --> 00:16:11.039 the three weeks without a speaker, and you know, there's the base of 174 00:16:11.120 --> 00:16:15.879 the Republican Party that likes that kind of thing. But you know, the 175 00:16:15.120 --> 00:16:19.799 but independence swing voters, you know, they look at something like that. 176 00:16:19.960 --> 00:16:23.600 They just they they say, you know, look at these clowns. They 177 00:16:23.600 --> 00:16:29.279 can't govern, you know, they can't be trusted with any kind of power. 178 00:16:29.320 --> 00:16:32.480 And uh yeah, no, I think, uh, I think they've 179 00:16:32.519 --> 00:16:37.600 they've given away the house in twenty twenty four, I really do. Now. 180 00:16:37.639 --> 00:16:40.559 You said there were some things you liked about Mike Johnson. What are 181 00:16:40.600 --> 00:16:45.120 they? There's there's one thing, one thing I I one thing that I 182 00:16:45.159 --> 00:16:49.799 find very interested about him, and given everything else about him, this one 183 00:16:49.879 --> 00:16:56.039 thing is really surprising. But the dudes kind of woke. And what I 184 00:16:56.080 --> 00:17:00.399 mean by that is, I don't know if you realize this. So he 185 00:17:00.559 --> 00:17:08.720 has a black adopted son, and he was being interviewed on I don't know 186 00:17:08.720 --> 00:17:12.200 if he may have addressed this in more than one place, I'm not sure, 187 00:17:12.240 --> 00:17:17.440 but I saw a particular video of a particular podcast that he was on, 188 00:17:18.759 --> 00:17:26.880 and he was talking about systemic racism and how he believes that systemic racism 189 00:17:26.000 --> 00:17:30.799 is a problem in the United States, and he talks about in this podcast, 190 00:17:30.839 --> 00:17:37.200 he talks about arriving at that conclusion because he's got two sons. He 191 00:17:37.240 --> 00:17:44.000 has is his white son and he has his adopted black son, and he 192 00:17:44.079 --> 00:17:49.240 has observed some of the challenges that his adopted black son has had to face 193 00:17:49.319 --> 00:17:53.720 that his white son has not, and he sees that, and he recognizes 194 00:17:53.759 --> 00:18:02.799 it, and he acknowledges that systemic racism does exist in a mayor. So 195 00:18:02.839 --> 00:18:07.720 that that is very interesting to me. And actually some conservatives, not as 196 00:18:07.720 --> 00:18:12.319 fellow conservatives in Congress, of course, but there are some conservatives in media, 197 00:18:14.839 --> 00:18:18.039 even more in the online media, not on Fox News or anything, 198 00:18:18.240 --> 00:18:21.759 but there are some conservatives who are attacking him over that, saying, WHOA, 199 00:18:22.440 --> 00:18:25.240 we didn't know he was woke. We love everything else about him, 200 00:18:25.240 --> 00:18:30.359 but he's kind of woke. But what I've noticed, though, is when 201 00:18:30.400 --> 00:18:37.599 I see him doing that, it reminds me of conservatives who support marriage equality, 202 00:18:38.119 --> 00:18:42.599 and you wouldn't necessarily expect to the classic example being Dick Cheney, our 203 00:18:42.720 --> 00:18:48.920 former vice president, who is probably very conservative on every issue you could imagine, 204 00:18:48.039 --> 00:18:56.119 except Dick Cheney has always supported same sex marriage. That's the one thing 205 00:18:56.200 --> 00:19:00.960 where he steps out of line with conservatives. But Dick Cheney also has a 206 00:19:00.960 --> 00:19:03.000 gay daughter. And no, I'm not talking about Liz Cheney, she's not 207 00:19:03.079 --> 00:19:10.039 gay, but his daughter Mary Chaney is gay, so he has always supported 208 00:19:10.039 --> 00:19:17.240 gay marriage. Also Rob Portman senator from where's he from? I don't think 209 00:19:17.279 --> 00:19:19.759 he's in I don't think he's in the Senate anymore. But is he from 210 00:19:19.759 --> 00:19:25.359 Ohio? Midwestern? Rob Portman anyway? Very conservative guy if you look at 211 00:19:25.400 --> 00:19:32.839 his voting record, except he supports marriage equality and he happens to have a 212 00:19:32.960 --> 00:19:37.880 gay son. So I see a pattern here among conservatives who, yeah, 213 00:19:37.960 --> 00:19:44.839 it's easy for them to be very dismissive of you know, how everyone should 214 00:19:45.200 --> 00:19:48.359 have the same rights and opportunities, and how they're yes, there are marginalized 215 00:19:48.799 --> 00:19:53.799 groups in the United States, and they can dismiss that all they want to, 216 00:19:55.160 --> 00:20:00.680 But when someone in their family is directly affected by it opens their eyes 217 00:20:00.720 --> 00:20:03.680 a little bit and they see it up close, and they say, oh, 218 00:20:03.720 --> 00:20:07.079 no, this is real. The left isn't lying about this. This 219 00:20:07.319 --> 00:20:17.200 really is an issue. And Mike Johnson acknowledges that systemic racism is real and 220 00:20:18.000 --> 00:20:22.599 he sees it in his own family. And you know, that's the one 221 00:20:22.640 --> 00:20:26.160 thing that I do like about him, and I think that's kind of cool 222 00:20:26.200 --> 00:20:30.200 that you know he's able to and he doesn't. You know, he doesn't 223 00:20:30.200 --> 00:20:33.920 try to get you know, when the subject comes up on that podcast, 224 00:20:33.960 --> 00:20:37.559 he doesn't try to soft pedal it. He says flat out. You know, 225 00:20:37.680 --> 00:20:40.599 systemic racism is real. I've seen it up close. I see it 226 00:20:40.599 --> 00:20:45.240 with my black son and some of the ways that he's been discriminated against. 227 00:20:45.240 --> 00:20:48.599 I've seen it. So good for him, and he says it, you 228 00:20:48.599 --> 00:20:51.359 know, he just says it fearlessly. He doesn't try to sugarcoat it. 229 00:20:51.359 --> 00:20:53.559 He just says it. So I can appreciate that about him. I think 230 00:20:53.559 --> 00:20:57.119 everything else about him is horrible, but I can appreciate that one thing about 231 00:20:57.160 --> 00:21:04.720 him. So we can appreciate him as he crashes the ship known as the 232 00:21:04.839 --> 00:21:12.160 USA. They can appreciate his stance on systemic racism. So well, something, 233 00:21:12.319 --> 00:21:15.119 Hey, we got to find these silver linings where we can doctor Kevin 234 00:21:15.839 --> 00:21:23.599 Hey. Absolutely, So, what do you think is going to happen to 235 00:21:23.640 --> 00:21:29.160 George Santos? They gonna actually expel him from Congress. I mean, the 236 00:21:29.200 --> 00:21:32.920 Republican New Yorkers are really advocating, you've got to get that guy out. 237 00:21:32.960 --> 00:21:36.279 He's going to kill the Republican Party in New York? Did you leave him? 238 00:21:36.720 --> 00:21:41.160 What do you think? Because the Democrats will all vote to remove him, 239 00:21:41.480 --> 00:21:47.920 but they need super majority. Didn't they already vote on it and they 240 00:21:47.920 --> 00:21:52.400 didn't have enough votes to get him out? Oh, I didn't see that 241 00:21:52.519 --> 00:21:56.880 news clip last time. I didn't know that. I might be wrong. 242 00:21:56.000 --> 00:22:00.000 I might be wrong. I thought they voted today and they didn't have enough 243 00:22:00.279 --> 00:22:03.359 to actually get him out. But I could be wrong. I've had a 244 00:22:03.519 --> 00:22:07.519 very very hectic day, so I might I might not have my facts completely 245 00:22:07.599 --> 00:22:14.279 straight on that. But and I've had a hectic day and have not been 246 00:22:14.319 --> 00:22:18.759 able to check anything in the news since this morning, so it could be 247 00:22:18.880 --> 00:22:22.680 me. We'll have to check it up on break. One of us is 248 00:22:22.680 --> 00:22:27.440 gonna have to google it and find out. You could be right. I 249 00:22:27.680 --> 00:22:37.319 uh, we're gonna We're gonna not do the right thing. We're gonna make 250 00:22:37.359 --> 00:22:40.720 sure that we hold on to the slim majority we have. It sounds like 251 00:22:40.759 --> 00:22:44.559 the way you that you think it went, and it easily could have gone 252 00:22:44.599 --> 00:22:48.839 that way in this Congress. I mean, there's no there's no there's no 253 00:22:49.599 --> 00:22:55.799 morals or ethics among the Republicans in that Congress at all, I'm gonna mean, 254 00:22:56.079 --> 00:23:04.640 what what do you say, Chris? Okay, yeah, yeah, 255 00:23:04.640 --> 00:23:08.480 that majority is only four as it is, I believe, so if they 256 00:23:08.279 --> 00:23:12.279 if he goes, then it's down at three, and I think somebody else 257 00:23:12.359 --> 00:23:18.079 might. Oh and there's speculation too that Kevin McCarthy might leave Congress soon, 258 00:23:18.759 --> 00:23:25.119 which would then if if Santos goes and then McCarthy leaves, they'll be down 259 00:23:25.160 --> 00:23:30.559 to a majority of two's. That's pretty rough. So I'm sure they I'm 260 00:23:30.599 --> 00:23:34.319 sure they don't want to get rid of Santos if they can help it. 261 00:23:37.119 --> 00:23:42.799 And unfortunately, his trial isn't until after he gets voted for again. Yeah, 262 00:23:44.200 --> 00:23:48.640 I believe his trial is enough in because he's up for re election in 263 00:23:48.720 --> 00:23:52.039 twenty twenty four, right, I think, oh yeah, the whole house. 264 00:23:52.279 --> 00:24:00.160 Yeah yeah, yeah, So I think that the way his election in 265 00:24:00.319 --> 00:24:03.359 date is sad. I mean, he's never going to get re elected in 266 00:24:03.400 --> 00:24:07.559 that district. No, No, this is it for him. Yeah, 267 00:24:07.680 --> 00:24:14.200 this is his time, his time, his time to shine. It's right 268 00:24:14.240 --> 00:24:18.960 now. He's got to make the most of it. Yeah, and then 269 00:24:18.680 --> 00:24:26.279 do ah a return to Brazil probably or wherever it was that he came from 270 00:24:26.279 --> 00:24:30.680 at some point because they're going to be that. It's pretty good. With 271 00:24:30.759 --> 00:24:34.400 the charges they're lining up, he's that point's going to do jail time. 272 00:24:36.599 --> 00:24:38.720 I don't know. I can't get out of it. I can't believe he's 273 00:24:38.759 --> 00:24:45.920 not in prison already. I mean, how does the sky not be in 274 00:24:45.000 --> 00:24:52.559 prison right now? I don't I don't understand. It's incredible. Yeah, 275 00:24:52.640 --> 00:24:57.640 I don't understand either. I mean, it's it's the slow it's the slowness 276 00:24:57.759 --> 00:25:04.960 of the judicial syst So yeah, because yeah, I mean, so what 277 00:25:04.960 --> 00:25:10.160 do you think you think Trust's going to get away with creating enough chaos that 278 00:25:10.240 --> 00:25:14.359 he doesn't actually go to trial for any of this stuff until after the election, 279 00:25:14.480 --> 00:25:19.559 because that's that's the that's the strategy, clearly. Yeah. No, 280 00:25:19.799 --> 00:25:23.799 I don't think he'll I mean, I know Judge Eileen Cannon is happy to 281 00:25:25.200 --> 00:25:30.640 delay everything, but but she wants to be a Supreme Court justice probably once 282 00:25:30.880 --> 00:25:34.160 once Trump is able to appoint somebody. But uh no, I don't think 283 00:25:34.200 --> 00:25:38.640 he can avoid uh. I don't think he can avoid all these trials but 284 00:25:40.279 --> 00:25:45.680 before the election. But you know, but I agree that is the strategy, 285 00:25:45.079 --> 00:25:51.319 certainly. But I mean, he's going to be the nominee and and 286 00:25:51.359 --> 00:25:55.000 I think no matter what I mean, even if he's in jail, he'll 287 00:25:55.000 --> 00:25:57.680 be the nominee and he might very well be president. I mean, it's 288 00:25:57.720 --> 00:26:03.799 it's very possible by and is continuing to tank and he doesn't seem to want 289 00:26:03.799 --> 00:26:07.400 to get out of the way. And you know, I agree with what 290 00:26:07.480 --> 00:26:17.240 Paul Ryan said a couple of months ago. Whichever party discards their respective very 291 00:26:17.279 --> 00:26:21.880 old man and put somebody younger in there, whichever party does it first will 292 00:26:21.920 --> 00:26:26.559 win the election. But as long as the Republicans stick with Biden and the 293 00:26:26.640 --> 00:26:29.480 Democrats, I'm sorry. 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So we were having a little 327 00:29:59.160 --> 00:30:07.400 bit of a discussion and off air about why Biden's numbers are taking because comparatively 328 00:30:08.680 --> 00:30:15.480 all the numbers of what this presidency has done should make him very high. 329 00:30:15.720 --> 00:30:18.680 And you expressed and I which I want no stressure to relics. You think 330 00:30:18.720 --> 00:30:23.519 this is just strictly aged, right, I don't think it's only that I 331 00:30:23.559 --> 00:30:32.160 think he's got well, he's I think the age is a big problem because 332 00:30:32.240 --> 00:30:37.519 he I mean he even just since he's uh, since he was inaugurated, 333 00:30:37.599 --> 00:30:45.920 he just he seems older, he seems slower. He it's I mean, 334 00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:52.119 I saw him interviewed on sixty minutes recently and he just got uh, it's 335 00:30:52.119 --> 00:30:57.839 it's rough. And I hate to be agist, but you know, the 336 00:30:57.839 --> 00:31:03.079 the energy just doesn't seem to be there. But it's not just that, 337 00:31:03.240 --> 00:31:06.880 I mean, he's in kind of a no win situation in terms of Israel 338 00:31:07.000 --> 00:31:14.359 versus some moss that gets that gets complicated. He's uh, you know, 339 00:31:14.920 --> 00:31:19.200 the economy, which is actually, you know, the fundamentals of the economy 340 00:31:19.400 --> 00:31:26.720 actually are excellent. Unemployment continues to be at a record low. The economy 341 00:31:26.799 --> 00:31:32.519 keeps growing, but inflation and inflation is down. It's it's stabilized, but 342 00:31:32.519 --> 00:31:37.240 but it's still higher than people are used to. So, you know, 343 00:31:37.319 --> 00:31:40.279 no matter how many good things there are about the economy, if you're still 344 00:31:40.279 --> 00:31:44.400 feeling it when you buy groceries or you're putting gas in your car, then 345 00:31:44.440 --> 00:31:48.680 you know, that tends to make people think that the economy is much worse 346 00:31:48.680 --> 00:31:53.839 than it actually is so he's got that, And and Democrats are so bad 347 00:31:53.880 --> 00:32:00.759 at messaging that that they can't even explain. And Biden specifically can't even explain 348 00:32:00.359 --> 00:32:06.519 to Americans why effectively why they should actually be happy with how the economy is 349 00:32:06.559 --> 00:32:09.160 going. So, you know, he's got some he's got some headwinds. 350 00:32:09.400 --> 00:32:14.720 But but the age is a big thing. I mean, he just you 351 00:32:14.720 --> 00:32:17.680 know, when it seems like, you know, when it seems like the 352 00:32:17.720 --> 00:32:22.240 world is on fire, you kind of want someone with some energy at the 353 00:32:22.279 --> 00:32:24.839 helm. I mean, that's that's the thing, you know. And and 354 00:32:24.920 --> 00:32:30.920 Trump is only a few years younger, but Trump still seems robust. I 355 00:32:30.920 --> 00:32:35.200 mean, I don't like the guy, and I'll continue to support Biden over 356 00:32:35.240 --> 00:32:39.039 Trump. But but Trump, despite only being a few years younger, I 357 00:32:39.039 --> 00:32:42.880 mean, yeah, he got you know, he has some he might have 358 00:32:42.960 --> 00:32:45.680 some cognitive decline himself. It's like, you know, Chris was pointing out 359 00:32:45.720 --> 00:32:49.359 during the break, he can't seem to keep it straight, you know, 360 00:32:50.039 --> 00:32:52.960 who he's running against or who he defeated in twenty sixteen. You know, 361 00:32:53.440 --> 00:32:59.599 Obama's name keeps popping out of his mouth for some reason. But but Trump 362 00:32:59.640 --> 00:33:06.119 doesn't seem he doesn't seem frail. He doesn't seem tired, he seems like 363 00:33:06.240 --> 00:33:10.920 his normal self. He definitely does not He's not the same Trump that he 364 00:33:10.960 --> 00:33:19.200 was in twenty sixteen. But but he just doesn't seem you know, he's 365 00:33:19.240 --> 00:33:24.160 not sleepy Joe. And so I think I think it's a I think that's 366 00:33:24.160 --> 00:33:29.960 a big problem for Biden. Also, there was polling data recently that showed 367 00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:37.480 that with black Americans in South Carolina, Biden Biden's numbers are tanking. That's 368 00:33:37.640 --> 00:33:44.039 really bad for him because South Carolina. He owes his presidency to South Carolina. 369 00:33:44.880 --> 00:33:49.200 He came in fifth in New Hampshire last time. I think he did 370 00:33:49.200 --> 00:33:53.839 poor Lee and Iowa. South Carolina revived him. And I'm not saying that 371 00:33:53.880 --> 00:33:59.359 South Carolina is going to turn on him. You know, he'll he'll obviously 372 00:33:59.400 --> 00:34:02.160 he's going to be the nomine easy and coming president, so he'll carry South 373 00:34:02.160 --> 00:34:09.320 Carolina in the primary. But but the fact that black Americans have kind of 374 00:34:09.320 --> 00:34:13.920 turned on him in South Carolina, that does not vote well for him at 375 00:34:13.920 --> 00:34:19.480 all. And this is no enthusiasm there. There's no excitement there for Biden. 376 00:34:19.559 --> 00:34:22.199 I mean, who you know what Democrat is excited about him? You 377 00:34:22.199 --> 00:34:25.400 know, and he's not even going to be on the ballot here in New 378 00:34:25.440 --> 00:34:31.079 Hampshire because the DNC insisted on trying to strong arm New Hampshire. So now 379 00:34:32.559 --> 00:34:36.519 he's just not going to be on the ballot here. So I'm probably gonna 380 00:34:36.599 --> 00:34:39.599 vote for Mary Anne Williamson because she was on my show. I don't necessarily 381 00:34:39.639 --> 00:34:43.000 agree with her on everything, but she at least was on my show and 382 00:34:43.039 --> 00:34:45.920 came and talked to us. You know, Joe Biden hasn't, so even 383 00:34:45.960 --> 00:34:49.960 if he was on the ballot, I'd probably still vote for Mary Anne Williamson. 384 00:34:50.199 --> 00:34:52.800 Or maybe I'll vote for Dean Phillips if he comes in and sits down 385 00:34:52.840 --> 00:34:59.880 and talks with us. But but yeah, I think Biden, I mean, 386 00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:04.239 you know, and Biden's legacy when it's all said and none, may 387 00:35:04.320 --> 00:35:07.960 end up being that he's the guy who beat Trump in twenty twenty only to 388 00:35:07.000 --> 00:35:10.079 hand the White House back to him in twenty twenty four. That's a real 389 00:35:10.239 --> 00:35:19.320 possibility that could happen. Oh, so that Trump can run his vengeance tour, 390 00:35:20.639 --> 00:35:27.000 Yes, that's what it'll be. Oh yeah, oh yeah. Trump 391 00:35:27.000 --> 00:35:30.840 has already made it very clear he is going after anybody and everybody who he 392 00:35:31.000 --> 00:35:37.440 feels like was the least bit unloyal, and he is going to turn this 393 00:35:37.639 --> 00:35:45.840 in. He will turn this country into a dictatorship, oh as much as 394 00:35:45.840 --> 00:35:49.599 he can. And they're already I mean, you already see some of the 395 00:35:49.639 --> 00:35:53.559 stuff where transfer you know, gonna you know, if he can own the 396 00:35:53.599 --> 00:36:00.679 House and or the Senate or both with Republicans, that they're going to pass 397 00:36:00.760 --> 00:36:04.679 their power over to the presidency and make it more of a dictator because that's 398 00:36:04.679 --> 00:36:07.400 what he wants. He said it. He's very clear, there's no mistake 399 00:36:07.480 --> 00:36:20.360 here right that this is his agenda. So, now Trump gets taken out 400 00:36:20.400 --> 00:36:24.000 of this for whatever reason, the mood do you see is likely to be 401 00:36:24.159 --> 00:36:30.679 the nominee? Well, I mean, I don't think Trump's going to get 402 00:36:30.679 --> 00:36:35.800 taken out. I think Trump is the nominee. But hypothetically, if something 403 00:36:35.960 --> 00:36:42.159 were to happen to Trump, probably right now, Nicki Haley seems to be 404 00:36:42.239 --> 00:36:49.239 surgeing. I don't think it's I don't see DeSantis. I mean, DeSantis 405 00:36:49.280 --> 00:36:52.000 stagnated a while ago, and I think his numbers have been going down. 406 00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:58.239 Nicky Haley seems to be ascendant, so I think it would be her if 407 00:36:58.239 --> 00:37:07.679 it's not Trump. I think it would be Nicky hay And does that cause 408 00:37:07.719 --> 00:37:15.159 the problem that a core group of Republicans that would be there to vote won't 409 00:37:15.159 --> 00:37:21.239 want to vote for a woman? You know? That's it's interesting how that 410 00:37:21.400 --> 00:37:27.920 works, because if you talk to well, what I've noticed over the years, 411 00:37:28.119 --> 00:37:32.320 let me put it this way, is there are some Republicans who are 412 00:37:32.400 --> 00:37:39.400 so eager and anxious to prove that they're not racist or that they're not sexist, 413 00:37:40.480 --> 00:37:46.000 that they probably, regardless of how they might feel about it or whatever 414 00:37:46.079 --> 00:37:54.480 reservations they may have, they would probably loudly support her. Not necessarily because 415 00:37:54.559 --> 00:38:00.159 they're enthusiastic about her, but because they want to be able to prove Oh 416 00:38:00.239 --> 00:38:04.400 look at what. Look at the left. They're always calling us racist, 417 00:38:04.480 --> 00:38:09.719 they're calling us sexist. But look here we are supporting Nikki Hayley. Almost 418 00:38:09.800 --> 00:38:15.119 a form of virtue signaling. So I don't know, I think. And 419 00:38:15.199 --> 00:38:17.840 by the way, I'm only just just to be clear, I don't want 420 00:38:17.840 --> 00:38:22.440 to sound like I'm painting with too broad a brush here. I'm talking about 421 00:38:22.440 --> 00:38:27.320 a you know, a part of the Republican Party. I'm not talking about 422 00:38:27.320 --> 00:38:31.360 Republicans in general. I also think there are a lot of Republicans who would 423 00:38:31.400 --> 00:38:38.960 have no problem of voting for a woman of color regardless. But I do 424 00:38:39.000 --> 00:38:43.920 think there are some Republicans who self consciously might have a problem with it, 425 00:38:44.199 --> 00:38:46.880 but they want to prove to the rest of us that they don't have a 426 00:38:46.920 --> 00:38:50.679 problem with it, so they'll, you know, they'll do what they have 427 00:38:50.760 --> 00:38:52.519 to do to try to prove that, even though deep down they might not 428 00:38:52.639 --> 00:39:00.679 be so thrilled. Well, what would make me laugh my ass off, 429 00:39:00.800 --> 00:39:08.760 frankly, is if she did get the nomination, if somehow Trump the Supreme 430 00:39:08.840 --> 00:39:15.840 Court said that they supported Colorado and Michigan and Trump couldn't be on the ballot, 431 00:39:15.960 --> 00:39:17.960 you know, which I know is far fetched, but we don't know. 432 00:39:19.119 --> 00:39:23.480 The Supreme Court has definitely been unpredictable at times, and there are two 433 00:39:23.559 --> 00:39:30.679 states that are doing legal battles saying Trump cannot be there, Colorado and Michigan. 434 00:39:31.960 --> 00:39:42.599 And you know that they would be like, okay, hey, nikki 435 00:39:42.639 --> 00:39:45.800 yy nikki, But when they get into the quiet of the ballot booths that 436 00:39:45.840 --> 00:39:49.800 they couldn't bring themselves to actually do it, like they'd can't it when it 437 00:39:49.840 --> 00:39:53.000 came time to check the box, then make all the noise, But in 438 00:39:53.079 --> 00:39:58.199 the privacy of the ballot box, they'd probably do Trump as a write in 439 00:39:58.559 --> 00:40:05.199 candidate. If anybody but Trump, if anybody but Trump for any reason, 440 00:40:06.320 --> 00:40:13.039 Trump gets disqualified if anything happens, and I know that you you you look 441 00:40:13.119 --> 00:40:17.119 into your little crystal ball, which I thought was my thing, and don't 442 00:40:17.119 --> 00:40:22.920 see how that could happen. But if it did happen, I Trump would 443 00:40:22.920 --> 00:40:29.039 be telling everybody to write his name in and that would completely tank whoever the 444 00:40:29.079 --> 00:40:35.400 Republican candidate was. You know, Uh, that never occurred to me. 445 00:40:35.880 --> 00:40:39.599 But now that you say that you're onto something there, I think I can 446 00:40:39.639 --> 00:40:46.519 see that happening. I can definitely see that happening, and that would and 447 00:40:46.559 --> 00:40:51.360 that would throw that would definitely throw the election to Biden. If all of 448 00:40:51.400 --> 00:40:58.880 a sudden you have millions of Mega A loyalists writing in Trump if he's not 449 00:40:59.000 --> 00:41:04.119 actually on the ballot, that's that's a that's an interesting scenario, Doctor Kevin. 450 00:41:04.519 --> 00:41:06.960 Again, I never would have thought of that, But you're onto something 451 00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:09.639 there. That would be that would be fascinating to see see that play out. 452 00:41:12.360 --> 00:41:19.880 Yeah, we've talked about the rumors. We don't have any substantiation. 453 00:41:21.320 --> 00:41:24.960 But if Biden is waiting until the last minute to say that he's decided to 454 00:41:24.960 --> 00:41:32.199 step aside and try to make a crown prince or princess be the Democratic nominee, 455 00:41:32.239 --> 00:41:37.599 because it's not too late to do that. Yeah, it's getting close, 456 00:41:38.039 --> 00:41:45.599 getting close to too late. But yeah, if if he were to 457 00:41:45.719 --> 00:41:49.559 do that, who do you see he would slide into that slot? Or 458 00:41:49.559 --> 00:41:53.920 who would you like to see him slide into that slot? Well, from 459 00:41:53.960 --> 00:41:59.639 what I understand, I mean, there's there's been reporting that Kamala Harris is 460 00:41:59.679 --> 00:42:02.360 not going anywhere and that she's not going to step aside, you know, 461 00:42:02.480 --> 00:42:07.199 so it would probably be her, it would have to be her. If 462 00:42:07.239 --> 00:42:09.519 not her, I mean, if not her, I think Gavin Newsom, 463 00:42:10.079 --> 00:42:14.719 who I think is running for president, but you know, in twenty twenty 464 00:42:14.760 --> 00:42:19.400 eight. But I think he's getting things set up now, and I think 465 00:42:19.400 --> 00:42:22.519 he's getting things set up now with the idea that he's running in twenty eight, 466 00:42:22.679 --> 00:42:30.679 but he'll be ready if needed for twenty four. But I don't know. 467 00:42:30.880 --> 00:42:35.840 I mean, there aren't a lot of people have any enthusiasm for particularly 468 00:42:35.920 --> 00:42:39.400 because you know, I'm an independent and I don't like either party, so 469 00:42:39.440 --> 00:42:44.519 it's hard for me to really get enthusiastic enough to say, you know, 470 00:42:44.599 --> 00:42:51.719 I think so and so should should be the person. But and I'm such 471 00:42:51.760 --> 00:42:55.639 a square peg politically, but I don't know. But I mean, Gavin 472 00:42:55.719 --> 00:42:59.719 Newsom seems like he's ready to do it, you know what I mean. 473 00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:06.800 He seems ready to go Okay, So what else? What else in the 474 00:43:06.880 --> 00:43:10.599 political sphere have you been talking about on your show? What else is up? 475 00:43:10.639 --> 00:43:19.519 What are the big conversations? Well, funny you should ask, because 476 00:43:20.280 --> 00:43:24.519 doctor Kevin and you don't you don't know this yet because this is a recent 477 00:43:24.599 --> 00:43:29.679 development. But my show, at least the show that I do, the 478 00:43:29.760 --> 00:43:31.079 version of the show that I do here at WM and H. And I 479 00:43:31.159 --> 00:43:37.800 say here because I'm still at the station, we're actually we've been phasing out 480 00:43:37.159 --> 00:43:46.760 politics and we're kind of transforming into more more music interviews and interviews with authors 481 00:43:46.880 --> 00:43:52.480 and comedians and so forth, and the political aspect of the show is being 482 00:43:52.519 --> 00:43:57.599 phased out. So we're not talking about politics much here at WM and H 483 00:43:57.679 --> 00:44:04.639 at this point, which is probably a big surprise to hear that. But 484 00:44:06.760 --> 00:44:13.199 so we're actually going to be we're actually going to be starting something separate though 485 00:44:13.320 --> 00:44:16.599 online, because you know, I have a junkie. So Jenny and I 486 00:44:16.639 --> 00:44:19.440 are kind of trying to figure out what that's going to be, what it's 487 00:44:19.440 --> 00:44:22.280 going to look like, you know, have the platform to do that on 488 00:44:22.239 --> 00:44:27.760 But I got to tell you this week, we've really not talked about politics 489 00:44:27.840 --> 00:44:34.840 much on my show. Believe it or not, I'm not as surprised as 490 00:44:34.880 --> 00:44:37.920 you would think I would be. Yeah, the more you brought in the 491 00:44:38.039 --> 00:44:43.000 music, and the more that the music made you happy and the politics made 492 00:44:43.000 --> 00:44:51.199 you frustrated and depressed, Yeah, I could see as a mental health issue 493 00:44:51.440 --> 00:44:57.280 that you might need to not be talking a lot of politics too. At 494 00:44:57.360 --> 00:45:07.199 times. I really unbalanced people because really brings out all the nutcases. Yeah, 495 00:45:06.920 --> 00:45:13.280 and as the show has kind of evolved over the past year, the 496 00:45:13.559 --> 00:45:17.559 feedback and the response to it has been really positive. People really like the 497 00:45:17.599 --> 00:45:22.360 direction the show has been going. So we're kind of gonna going to keep 498 00:45:22.400 --> 00:45:25.960 going in that direction more and more. And you know, I mean, 499 00:45:27.199 --> 00:45:30.800 if somebody calls, you know, if somebody calls the studio line and wants 500 00:45:30.840 --> 00:45:37.320 to talk about something political, that's fine, But generally we're just kind of 501 00:45:37.440 --> 00:45:45.079 leaning away from that almost entirely at this point. Yeah, Like I said, 502 00:45:45.880 --> 00:45:50.039 I'm not all that surprised. I'm assuming that, especially if you're going 503 00:45:50.119 --> 00:45:53.039 to do some you know, if you did some political junkie thing and through 504 00:45:53.079 --> 00:45:58.440 the internet once a week, maybe that wouldn't be too bad. I think 505 00:45:59.199 --> 00:46:05.000 ten hours we really got the best of you, and not in a good 506 00:46:05.039 --> 00:46:10.199 way. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's a I think it's a great 507 00:46:10.239 --> 00:46:15.519 shift. I think it's a great shift for your mental and emotional health. 508 00:46:15.280 --> 00:46:19.480 And you do know an author, so let me know when you want the 509 00:46:19.519 --> 00:46:24.840 author to come on. Yes, because I always went on and I never 510 00:46:24.840 --> 00:46:30.000 really discussed politics. I usually discussed either classes I was teaching, or my 511 00:46:30.119 --> 00:46:35.679 books or stuff like that. So yeah, so I think it's great. 512 00:46:36.440 --> 00:46:39.320 I'm assuming I'm not going to lose you here once a month to come on 513 00:46:39.440 --> 00:46:44.360 and shoot the ship about politics. Oh of course. Yeah. I mean, 514 00:46:44.519 --> 00:46:47.000 uh, you know, I'm gonna need to I'm gonna need to shoot 515 00:46:47.000 --> 00:46:51.800 the ship about politics someplace if I'm not doing it on my show, So 516 00:46:52.519 --> 00:46:58.760 you know, absolutely, So what else do you think that's going on politically 517 00:46:58.760 --> 00:47:01.639 that we're not talking enough about or you have a different view on or you 518 00:47:01.880 --> 00:47:07.480 say this is where there something's missing, something's out. What else is going 519 00:47:07.480 --> 00:47:10.320 on? Because you are a political junkie. So even if you're not talking 520 00:47:10.360 --> 00:47:15.159 about it on air, you're tracking it. So tell me what else in 521 00:47:15.199 --> 00:47:20.320 our last few minutes we have? What else do you think is a hot 522 00:47:20.360 --> 00:47:25.679 topic out there we should be looking at more. You know, I kind 523 00:47:25.679 --> 00:47:35.159 of think this might be an unpopular opinion, but something that we had been 524 00:47:35.199 --> 00:47:40.039 talking about, and I guess as we h it kind of circles back to 525 00:47:40.079 --> 00:47:45.400 Mike Johnson as Speaker of the House. You know, I've said on my 526 00:47:45.559 --> 00:47:51.039 show, and I don't remember if I if I said this previously on your 527 00:47:51.079 --> 00:47:55.800 program, but you know, as much, there's a lot of blame to 528 00:47:55.880 --> 00:48:02.440 go around, in my opinion for him, for this Christian nationalist, very 529 00:48:02.440 --> 00:48:09.639 conservative guy who probably has no problem with government shutdowns and defaults and other horrible 530 00:48:09.679 --> 00:48:15.199 things, you know, insurrection and so forth. There's there's a lot of 531 00:48:15.199 --> 00:48:21.639 blame to go around here. And you know, Republicans obviously, a lot 532 00:48:21.679 --> 00:48:27.000 of Republicans are furious with Matt Gates and and the other seven there, but 533 00:48:27.920 --> 00:48:30.159 and and some are fine with it obviously, but uh, you know, 534 00:48:30.239 --> 00:48:36.679 I remember Kevin McCarthy kind of blaming it all on the Democrats because they voted 535 00:48:36.719 --> 00:48:40.239 with uh with Gates and the others to oust him. And of course Democrats 536 00:48:40.280 --> 00:48:45.480 blame it all on the House Republicans, but I actually think there's some blame 537 00:48:45.519 --> 00:48:50.679 to go around. I think that the core of the blame should go to 538 00:48:51.280 --> 00:48:54.840 the core of the problem, which is Matt Gates, and you know Matt 539 00:48:54.880 --> 00:49:00.719 Gates of the of the Crazy Eight there of course, and you know it's 540 00:49:00.920 --> 00:49:04.679 I almost say to say, inmates running the asylum because it's such a cliche, 541 00:49:04.679 --> 00:49:07.639 but it is, it is true, and it holds up. However, 542 00:49:07.760 --> 00:49:09.920 I would also say the Democrats, I feel, carry some blame in 543 00:49:10.000 --> 00:49:15.519 this as well. And what I've often said on my show is, you 544 00:49:15.559 --> 00:49:21.000 know, until recently, I haven't said it this week, but what I've 545 00:49:21.079 --> 00:49:24.840 often said on my show is, you know, if I understand why the 546 00:49:24.880 --> 00:49:32.119 Democrats chose not to rescue Kevin McCarthy, I totally get it. And if 547 00:49:32.159 --> 00:49:39.039 somebody's drowning and you see someone drowning, you should still save them. I 548 00:49:39.199 --> 00:49:45.800 understand you could be forgiven if you maybe hesitate for you know, a nanosecond. 549 00:49:46.400 --> 00:49:51.920 If as that person is drowning, they're yelling at you that they hate 550 00:49:51.920 --> 00:49:53.880 you and they wish you were drowning instead of them, and they're flipping you 551 00:49:53.920 --> 00:49:59.280 off the whole time, you know, instead of instead of yelling, please 552 00:49:59.320 --> 00:50:02.960 help me, you know, so you know, I could understand someone maybe 553 00:50:04.000 --> 00:50:07.000 not wanting, you know, or maybe just stopping and thinking, do I 554 00:50:07.039 --> 00:50:08.039 really want to save this guy? Well, yeah, he's drowning, I 555 00:50:08.079 --> 00:50:13.199 should save him. I think that I think they should have saved him. 556 00:50:13.239 --> 00:50:17.519 I understand all the reasons they didn't. I understand the merits of their arguments 557 00:50:17.559 --> 00:50:22.280 against saving Kevin McCarthy, But honestly, I think for the good of the 558 00:50:22.360 --> 00:50:29.519 country they should have done it anyway. Because I knew this was going to 559 00:50:29.599 --> 00:50:31.960 happen. I could see through to the end of this. You oustd Kevin 560 00:50:32.039 --> 00:50:38.360 McCarthy the devil, you know, And now we have Mike Johnson who is 561 00:50:38.480 --> 00:50:45.679 far more dangerous than Kevin McCarthy on his worst day. Don't get me wrong, 562 00:50:45.800 --> 00:50:51.159 Kevin McCarthy sucks, but Kevin McCarthy. We do know a couple positive 563 00:50:51.159 --> 00:50:54.559 things about Kevin McCarthy, two that I can think of offhand. One Kevin 564 00:50:54.639 --> 00:51:01.159 McCarthy thinks government shutdowns are bad, and two Kenan McCarthy understands that for the 565 00:51:01.199 --> 00:51:05.960 country to default on our debt and go over the fiscal cliff would be very, 566 00:51:06.679 --> 00:51:10.400 very bad. Those are two things Kevin McCarthy understands. I don't think 567 00:51:10.440 --> 00:51:15.920 these are things that Mike Johnson necessarily understands. And the House Republicans that are 568 00:51:16.000 --> 00:51:22.679 enthusiastic about a guy like Mike Johnson. So the Democrats in not saving Kevin 569 00:51:22.760 --> 00:51:29.639 McCarthy, I understand why they didn't, but I really wish that they had, 570 00:51:30.000 --> 00:51:35.079 and frankly, I really think that they should have, and I don't 571 00:51:35.119 --> 00:51:38.119 want to let them off the hook. You know, it's easy to blame 572 00:51:38.920 --> 00:51:43.599 the dysfunction going on among the House Republicans, and again that is the core 573 00:51:43.679 --> 00:51:46.239 issue. That is the You know, if you're going to make a list 574 00:51:46.280 --> 00:51:50.480 of people to blame, Matt Gates should be number one on the list, 575 00:51:50.599 --> 00:51:53.960 and the other seven idiots right after him. But I think the Democrats should 576 00:51:54.000 --> 00:51:59.280 be on that list too. They helped, and in doing so, they 577 00:51:59.360 --> 00:52:04.440 ultimately made things worse, because now we've got somebody even worse there who really 578 00:52:04.639 --> 00:52:09.000 is a genuine danger to the country. I never felt that Kevin McCarthy was 579 00:52:09.039 --> 00:52:15.440 an actual danger to the country. Mike Johnson is, in my view, 580 00:52:15.760 --> 00:52:23.519 and the Democrats played a role in making this happen, and I just I'm 581 00:52:23.519 --> 00:52:28.039 curious what you think about that, but that that's my feeling on it. 582 00:52:28.079 --> 00:52:30.880 I feel there's a lot of blame to go around here, and this could 583 00:52:30.880 --> 00:52:40.039 have been avoided. Well, just like McCarthy was playing and they horrible eight 584 00:52:40.559 --> 00:52:50.320 were playing to their base and their voters. I think that Democrats in swing 585 00:52:50.400 --> 00:53:00.960 districts that were caught saving Kevin McCarthy and would would fear that it was bounced 586 00:53:00.960 --> 00:53:06.960 back on them in the polls. And if Kevin started counting on the fact 587 00:53:07.000 --> 00:53:10.719 that the Democrats were going to show up because they were afraid of a worse 588 00:53:10.840 --> 00:53:20.639 person, that that would be leveraged against them in crucial ways. That would 589 00:53:20.679 --> 00:53:28.320 not make the throwover of the House so such a positive thing, you know, 590 00:53:28.400 --> 00:53:30.280 like you know, like you said, you're pretty sure at this point 591 00:53:30.679 --> 00:53:37.599 we're talking about a major you know that they've lost the house with the Shenanigans, 592 00:53:37.400 --> 00:53:45.800 and so I have to say part of the strategy I understand is McCarthy 593 00:53:45.000 --> 00:53:49.000 was clearly like, I will if you saved me, I will not be 594 00:53:49.079 --> 00:53:53.519 grateful, I will not be helpful. I'm still going to think you and 595 00:53:53.679 --> 00:54:04.239 all of the Democrats that voted to save McCarthy would get painted with that brush 596 00:54:04.400 --> 00:54:09.360 at getting voted in time. So I thought there was a little bit of 597 00:54:09.400 --> 00:54:14.159 a I'm not going to risk my skin for you when you won't even say. 598 00:54:14.840 --> 00:54:20.360 Look, there's enough moderate Republicans and enough Democrats that if I make these 599 00:54:20.400 --> 00:54:24.559 deals with the minority speaker and they let me stay, and I do it 600 00:54:24.599 --> 00:54:29.480 in good faith and showed that we could work as a coalition, I think 601 00:54:29.519 --> 00:54:32.639 the Republicans probably would would probably still lose the House, but might not have 602 00:54:35.119 --> 00:54:39.360 because he was so foul mouthed. How do you go back and say to 603 00:54:39.440 --> 00:54:45.480 your voting base. Well, I was afraid it'd be a worse choice, 604 00:54:45.519 --> 00:54:49.000 so I backed him, even though he was saying horrible things, blaming us, 605 00:54:49.800 --> 00:54:54.199 and then he went on to push through unpopular legislation because we left him 606 00:54:54.199 --> 00:55:00.000 in place. Yeah, that's no, that's very fair and valid. I 607 00:55:00.320 --> 00:55:06.119 take your point. I guess my counterpoint to that argument would be if Democrats 608 00:55:06.119 --> 00:55:09.320 were better at messaging and communicating, which I always complain they're horrible at, 609 00:55:10.519 --> 00:55:15.519 but if they could message and communicate more effectively with voters, I would I 610 00:55:15.519 --> 00:55:19.000 mean, if it were me in that situation, and I were voting to 611 00:55:19.000 --> 00:55:22.880 save McCarthy, I would I would as articulately and clearly as I could. 612 00:55:22.880 --> 00:55:27.480 I would explain to my constituents here's why I did it, because I'm afraid 613 00:55:27.760 --> 00:55:30.920 of what the alternative would have been, and it would have been somebody worse. 614 00:55:31.679 --> 00:55:36.440 And I would have just tried to hammer that message home as as plainly 615 00:55:36.480 --> 00:55:43.400 as I could. But you know democrats, you know they trip all over 616 00:55:43.440 --> 00:55:47.400 themselves trying to explain anything that involves nuance. So what can you do? 617 00:55:51.519 --> 00:55:55.320 Wow, well, talking about a month? All right, sounds good. 618 00:55:57.239 --> 00:56:04.079 I hear the music playing, so thank you as always, and let's see 619 00:56:04.079 --> 00:56:07.320 if we can, you know, have something interesting happen we can discuss in 620 00:56:07.400 --> 00:56:10.480 the next thirty days, shall we? Yes? Indeed, thanks doctor Kevin. 621 00:56:12.519 --> 00:56:14.000 Bye, ty buy