WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.440 --> 00:00:03.640 Hey, listen to Comedic Cook Podcast episode four oh five. I'm Brando with 2 00:00:03.720 --> 00:00:16.640 here with Ryan. Today we're gonna revisit revisiting planes now in our theme s. 3 00:00:18.320 --> 00:00:23.000 Hey Ryan, We're back for yet another whirlwind adventure. How you doing 4 00:00:23.160 --> 00:00:26.800 good? What is going down? Whole tons? Going down again again? 5 00:00:26.839 --> 00:00:29.879 We're back in the same close, in the same place, at the same 6 00:00:29.920 --> 00:00:33.439 time. An hour after recorded yesterday's show. We did the big announcement. 7 00:00:33.479 --> 00:00:36.200 We thanked some people, we told some stories. Today we're gonna do it 8 00:00:36.240 --> 00:00:38.719 all again. But before we get to any of that, we have to 9 00:00:38.719 --> 00:00:43.240 thank our official business Daddy's Fusion Gaming Online dot Com, your source for all 10 00:00:43.280 --> 00:00:49.759 your gaming needs and the official sponsor of season Deuce of Sidewalks, Slamb Pile 11 00:00:49.799 --> 00:00:53.039 of Bones Brewing. They are the second best thing to come out of Vagina, 12 00:00:53.119 --> 00:00:56.759 next to our friend Keel correct who said we are too kind and we 13 00:00:56.799 --> 00:00:59.560 should stop being so kind to him. Thanks, we're too kind. We 14 00:00:59.560 --> 00:01:02.079 should stop being kind man. You know you know what he did. You 15 00:01:02.119 --> 00:01:04.319 know what he did. He sent me a picture of his collector boosty box 16 00:01:04.319 --> 00:01:08.640 of Vixi land. Oh yeah, and like a crazy looking knife. Oh 17 00:01:08.680 --> 00:01:11.680 and it's like, who do you think is gonna get wrecked war like me? 18 00:01:12.359 --> 00:01:15.200 Obviously me. And then he sent me like a picture with all of 19 00:01:15.200 --> 00:01:19.319 his rears and stuff the knife stuck in his head. Man, did he 20 00:01:19.359 --> 00:01:22.200 ever got a fucking good box? Dude? Did he? He got like 21 00:01:22.280 --> 00:01:23.640 all the stuff I wanted? Then I opened my mind thinking, oh, 22 00:01:23.640 --> 00:01:27.439 this is gonna be totally good, Like these boxes are wreck Yeah, seventeen 23 00:01:27.560 --> 00:01:33.319 Basic Lands from Jurassic Park. How many is that in twenty four packs? 24 00:01:34.239 --> 00:01:38.120 No? Oh no, across all the packs I opened of Jurassic Park, 25 00:01:38.120 --> 00:01:40.799 there's more than twenty four. But let's call it. Let's call it thirty 26 00:01:40.799 --> 00:01:44.200 open thirty collector packs. Case. Sure, I ended up with seventeen Basic 27 00:01:44.280 --> 00:01:48.840 Lands, four command towers. Well is that good? No? That means 28 00:01:48.840 --> 00:01:53.319 I ended up with like nine actual Jurassic Park cards. That means seventeen times. 29 00:01:53.359 --> 00:01:57.560 When I opened up a thirty Canadian dollar booster pack, I opened two 30 00:01:57.680 --> 00:02:05.719 Basic Lands in it. Is that good? No? No, it's not 31 00:02:06.000 --> 00:02:09.680 good. Oh, So what you're saying is you got the worst box out 32 00:02:09.680 --> 00:02:14.159 of the way, absolutely two of them. Oh, you guys are all 33 00:02:14.240 --> 00:02:17.560 welcome. So when you go to Fusion Gaming Online dot Com and order some 34 00:02:19.319 --> 00:02:24.439 lost caverns of exelon collector packs or boosters and use CCO Summer Promo code to 35 00:02:24.439 --> 00:02:28.879 get a discount. I've opened to the worst ones already, gonna give better 36 00:02:28.919 --> 00:02:35.840 stuff than Uncle Brandle. Probably you've seen the Brando's box opening on the Commander 37 00:02:35.879 --> 00:02:39.520 Cookoat YouTube channel already because we're recording this far in advance. Yes, And 38 00:02:39.759 --> 00:02:44.560 if you're spending over one hundred dollars like you will on a collector booster, 39 00:02:44.840 --> 00:02:50.039 if it's your first time using that code or this code CEO Perks, you're 40 00:02:50.080 --> 00:02:53.840 gonna get ten percent kickback in store credit onto your Fusion account that you can 41 00:02:53.879 --> 00:02:59.800 then use with CEO Summer Promo code again to get further discounts. And here's 42 00:02:59.840 --> 00:03:02.319 the here's some math. Here's some math for you guys. If you do 43 00:03:02.439 --> 00:03:07.520 that situation that Ryan just talked about, you can then use the kickback because 44 00:03:07.520 --> 00:03:10.800 it's enough to get most of the singles that you didn't open in your box. 45 00:03:12.199 --> 00:03:15.400 Yeah, singles prices have gone down, which is great. Yeah. 46 00:03:15.919 --> 00:03:20.000 I always sound like I'm oh, I'm complaining so much because my boxes aren't 47 00:03:20.000 --> 00:03:23.280 worth anything and one of these cards are worth shit. But you know what, 48 00:03:23.960 --> 00:03:27.439 as much as that sucks for like trying to turn a box into another 49 00:03:27.479 --> 00:03:30.360 box sometimes, which is what I do with my singles. Full disclosure. 50 00:03:30.520 --> 00:03:34.120 I don't pay money for these boxes. I pay store credit for them, 51 00:03:34.199 --> 00:03:37.800 yep. And I trade my cards back in to get more so I can 52 00:03:37.879 --> 00:03:40.080 keep doing this. Uncle Brandle's putting the work in for your entertainment. I 53 00:03:40.120 --> 00:03:44.080 am, and I'm getting bad boxes out of the way too, right. 54 00:03:44.520 --> 00:03:49.639 But the fact is, I'm glad that singles have so little value. We 55 00:03:49.719 --> 00:03:52.439 talked about it yesterday with the Doctor Who dex. I'm so happy they can 56 00:03:52.479 --> 00:03:58.639 just go and buy basically whatever you want unless it's Everybody Lives or Displaced Dinosaurs. 57 00:03:59.039 --> 00:04:02.159 Every card is cheap, yes, right, and I love that, 58 00:04:02.599 --> 00:04:06.319 and I'm happy that with sets like Excellent, unless you're going for the high 59 00:04:06.439 --> 00:04:12.400 end premium shit, the single prices are very reasonable and I'm happy for that. 60 00:04:12.560 --> 00:04:15.879 Yeah. I just did an order from Fusion used CEO Summer Promo code 61 00:04:15.879 --> 00:04:20.879 to save five percent of my order. I got vehicle cards from Warhammer, 62 00:04:20.879 --> 00:04:29.000 forty k from Doctor Who, and dinosaur cards from Lost Caverns of Exelon, 63 00:04:29.879 --> 00:04:33.000 all in the same order for my Dinosaurs driving Vehicles deck that I'm building did 64 00:04:33.000 --> 00:04:38.879 you get vehicles from excellent? Lots of boats? Oh yeah, I got 65 00:04:38.879 --> 00:04:42.319 a boat both for playing and another one for painting. And I got that 66 00:04:42.399 --> 00:04:45.720 runaway like mine cart. Oh yeah, I got that one too, and 67 00:04:45.759 --> 00:04:47.560 I got a clown car, and I got some Lord of the Rings cards 68 00:04:47.720 --> 00:04:51.240 going to my new guy here in Gandalf Deck. I got lots of stuff. 69 00:04:51.519 --> 00:04:55.600 I got lots of new deck builds on the go. Inspired a little 70 00:04:55.600 --> 00:05:00.279 bit by CCO Nation wanting to help with the community, Calamax building in our 71 00:05:00.279 --> 00:05:05.519 discord again, and of course dinosaurs with our revisit to Exelon, which kind 72 00:05:05.519 --> 00:05:09.519 of what inspired this episode. Yeah, very much inspired this episode. We're 73 00:05:09.519 --> 00:05:11.720 going to talk about that in a minute. If you want to get into 74 00:05:11.720 --> 00:05:15.920 the discord, you become a patron over at patreon dot com slash CEO podcast 75 00:05:18.120 --> 00:05:23.759 Sorry still recovering, and you get in with the community. You help us 76 00:05:23.759 --> 00:05:27.920 pick decks for sidewalk Slam where you can see us play these decks that we 77 00:05:27.959 --> 00:05:30.639 talk about so much, and you can become part of the best community in 78 00:05:30.680 --> 00:05:33.720 magic, not close. They're the most seven out of ten people you'll ever 79 00:05:33.839 --> 00:05:38.879 meet. My favorite. One of my favorite things in real life is when 80 00:05:39.279 --> 00:05:42.279 and and the last person who did it was Lenny. Lenny is our good 81 00:05:42.279 --> 00:05:45.680 friend that we met through the cast who is part of CECO Nation on the 82 00:05:45.720 --> 00:05:47.959 Discord and at events that we go to, he's come and he's come to 83 00:05:48.040 --> 00:05:54.360 our country to spend time with us. Yeah, and he says something like 84 00:05:54.439 --> 00:05:59.759 this on Twitter, or when people say something like this at a magic Fest 85 00:06:00.120 --> 00:06:03.199 they say something like, I know that you guys say it and everybody says 86 00:06:03.199 --> 00:06:09.839 it. But I'm so happy that I found CECO Nation and Commander Cookout because 87 00:06:09.879 --> 00:06:14.959 everybody in this community really is the fucking best. See. So if you 88 00:06:14.959 --> 00:06:17.079 want to be part of that, see Patreon is a great way because you 89 00:06:17.120 --> 00:06:21.600 get access to the Discord and also you get an invite to the CCIO Experience 90 00:06:21.759 --> 00:06:26.079 which is coming up in Chicago. And if you're gonna be in Chicago and 91 00:06:26.120 --> 00:06:28.439 you're gonna be at the event, even if you're not part of one of 92 00:06:28.439 --> 00:06:32.079 the houses, you can certainly stop buy the official content Creating Creator area where 93 00:06:32.079 --> 00:06:36.000 you will see you boys. That's that's Ryan and myself, as we have 94 00:06:36.079 --> 00:06:40.519 been given a past this year. There you go, because watsy's smartening up, 95 00:06:41.040 --> 00:06:45.839 I guess, so they're classing up the joint. Yeah, this stinking 96 00:06:45.920 --> 00:06:48.160 it out. Yeah yeah, even if you're not part of the house. 97 00:06:48.199 --> 00:06:51.879 Of course, we're gonna have our own commander cookout area at the event, 98 00:06:53.199 --> 00:06:58.439 a bunch of tables usually where sometimes we drink some beer, sometimes we have 99 00:06:58.519 --> 00:07:01.319 some food. Sometimes we just play games all day and talk about all of 100 00:07:01.360 --> 00:07:05.040 the expense of stuff that we buy, and we play the game like who's 101 00:07:05.079 --> 00:07:09.800 been the most money today? That's my favorite game at Magic CON's man, 102 00:07:09.920 --> 00:07:14.839 And then somebody just dejected. I bought boxes and stuff. Yeah, I 103 00:07:14.879 --> 00:07:16.920 bought a plate, desk card or whatever it is, right, I love 104 00:07:16.959 --> 00:07:20.839 that game. And there's already been talk because there's there's ten or twelve of 105 00:07:20.959 --> 00:07:24.759 us in the house. Hell yeah, and there's a bunch of people that 106 00:07:24.800 --> 00:07:27.079 are like, hey, I'm gonna be there. It's me and my buddies. 107 00:07:27.079 --> 00:07:30.519 We rented out three hotel rooms or we have our own house. Like 108 00:07:30.000 --> 00:07:33.240 dozens and dozens of people have been like, what how do we be involved? 109 00:07:33.240 --> 00:07:36.839 What do we do? And probably we're just gonna meet up at the 110 00:07:36.839 --> 00:07:43.000 convention center, and and anybody who knows anything about Chicago anywhere is gonna say 111 00:07:43.439 --> 00:07:46.439 pizza that way or sushi this way. Or there's a liquor store that way, 112 00:07:46.839 --> 00:07:50.639 and we'll just go. Yeah, there's not really a hard and fast 113 00:07:50.720 --> 00:07:57.519 plan this time. Yeah, because we're so kind of disparate or dispersed, 114 00:07:57.600 --> 00:08:01.040 there's the word it is. Yeah, And and maybe this will be a 115 00:08:01.040 --> 00:08:03.600 little bit of a learning experience when we're dispersed as much as we are this 116 00:08:03.720 --> 00:08:07.959 time, maybe they'll need to be a hard and fast plan. But I 117 00:08:07.000 --> 00:08:11.040 want to keep it loose. I want to keep it stress free for everybody 118 00:08:11.120 --> 00:08:13.720 just to come and go as they please, and for myself so I don't 119 00:08:13.720 --> 00:08:18.879 have to freaking plan like a meetup or a restaurant booking or like a banquet 120 00:08:18.920 --> 00:08:24.399 room somewhere because there's like thirty people. I just want everybody to come together 121 00:08:24.439 --> 00:08:26.000 and play magic, because that's what we're there to do. And see a 122 00:08:26.040 --> 00:08:31.279 shit fountain and also eat pizza. Those are two things I have to do. 123 00:08:31.319 --> 00:08:33.919 In Chicago. I'm sure there will be quite a lot of pizza. 124 00:08:35.000 --> 00:08:37.039 I think I definitely want to try Chicago style pizza, and then it'll be 125 00:08:37.039 --> 00:08:41.600 inevitably go to New York. I'm going to be disappointed in New York style 126 00:08:41.600 --> 00:08:43.480 pizza, yes, because everybody tells me that New York style pizza, while 127 00:08:43.519 --> 00:08:48.639 tasty, is flimsy and not in pizzas. I like lots of flimsy stuff. 128 00:08:50.080 --> 00:08:52.679 Sure, sure pizza, I mean no kink shaming in the nation. 129 00:08:52.080 --> 00:08:54.759 Like they had to fold it in half just so it doesn't like fall down. 130 00:08:54.879 --> 00:08:58.639 Thinking you could put other stuff in there. It becomes like a like 131 00:08:58.679 --> 00:09:03.200 a vehicle for their foods as well. Oh, Nacho pizza, right, 132 00:09:03.519 --> 00:09:07.960 Nacho New York pizza. They're even the same shape, you know what. 133 00:09:07.159 --> 00:09:09.519 Yeah, you dip them in all the same stuff. Yeah, you know 134 00:09:09.559 --> 00:09:11.919 what, going back to the Magic con real quick, you know what, 135 00:09:11.960 --> 00:09:16.840 I you know what, I really have enjoyed the last two or three cons 136 00:09:16.879 --> 00:09:20.440 I've went to tell me, I've enjoyed sitting down at the grand stand and 137 00:09:20.559 --> 00:09:24.320 watching the causeplay contest. That is fun, I like, you know what, 138 00:09:24.679 --> 00:09:28.519 just to see the work that people put in and how happy they get 139 00:09:28.519 --> 00:09:31.919 when they win or to be on stage, and just like when they when 140 00:09:31.960 --> 00:09:35.759 they talk about what they make and they add like character to their answers, 141 00:09:35.440 --> 00:09:39.480 and you know, you could sit and have a beer or not if it's 142 00:09:39.480 --> 00:09:43.360 not Las Vegas. I think that that's lots of fun. So that's something 143 00:09:43.360 --> 00:09:46.480 that I'm actually planning to do and I will probably enjoy you. I missed 144 00:09:46.519 --> 00:09:50.039 it in Vegas this year and I'm still kind of kicking myself for it. 145 00:09:50.120 --> 00:09:52.919 The one ring card guys in a box at the one ring and he's just 146 00:09:52.960 --> 00:09:56.759 like, oh yeah, it was freaking that's a funny one. That's a 147 00:09:56.759 --> 00:10:01.120 funny one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, yes, continuing anyways, 148 00:10:01.200 --> 00:10:03.480 today's topic. Wait, we've got last week's giveaway. Last week's giveaway, 149 00:10:03.480 --> 00:10:05.840 well do it. Yesterday we did not because we got the bonus show. 150 00:10:05.840 --> 00:10:13.320 Today we do. Yeah, so here we are for it's just a 151 00:10:13.399 --> 00:10:18.080 reflex, man, it's right here. You can't edit it out because they're 152 00:10:18.080 --> 00:10:22.240 on video. That's right, Rick, Okay, last week's hints. We're 153 00:10:22.279 --> 00:10:24.440 guessing the guy, the little cute guy that looks like Mamra from ThunderCats. 154 00:10:24.559 --> 00:10:35.960 Yeah, this is Zoyawa zoa lava tongue. What is that the person they're 155 00:10:35.000 --> 00:10:39.559 guessing? No, that's the card. Yes, that's the card. What 156 00:10:39.960 --> 00:10:43.960 okay, now you just picked the picture. I wrote down the name, 157 00:10:43.279 --> 00:10:48.440 all right, yes, okay, so lots of people got it Zova lava 158 00:10:48.440 --> 00:10:52.159 tongue. So ya do you think that they call themselves that? Because they're 159 00:10:52.200 --> 00:10:56.000 like one of those like people who eat really hot things and like their tongue 160 00:10:56.080 --> 00:11:00.480 is just made of lava at this point, like so much funny. I 161 00:11:00.559 --> 00:11:03.679 don't know the I don't know the story behind it. With a cultural significance 162 00:11:03.679 --> 00:11:07.919 behind it, why that'd be just the worst mutant power of all time. 163 00:11:07.000 --> 00:11:11.759 Oh my my, mic just floppy danked itself because I touched it. Ah, 164 00:11:11.240 --> 00:11:13.720 look at that, look at it on YouTube, but you should be 165 00:11:15.200 --> 00:11:18.440 But uh, I got it, I got it. Don't touch it again. 166 00:11:18.440 --> 00:11:20.080 I'm not gonna tell it. Probably sounded so terrible. Probably did. 167 00:11:20.120 --> 00:11:22.759 But if you're watching on YouTube, which should be, you would see how 168 00:11:22.840 --> 00:11:26.120 ridiculous it look. This mic sucks. Yeah, I keep forgetting to bring 169 00:11:26.120 --> 00:11:30.919 a screwdriver, like it's my freaking job. The shelf out there sucks too. 170 00:11:31.000 --> 00:11:33.320 By the way, of course, I need a multi screw driver because 171 00:11:33.320 --> 00:11:37.600 they've got different ends. Sonic screwdriver. Yeah, yeah, that's what Last 172 00:11:37.600 --> 00:11:41.320 week's Winter, Last ye's Winter Lava tongue winning the booster Pack game by leaving 173 00:11:41.320 --> 00:11:45.240 a comment on the CCO pre show. You should do that because it's fun. 174 00:11:45.320 --> 00:11:46.960 It's play a game and you win free stuck gissing games are fun. 175 00:11:48.000 --> 00:11:50.720 And then when you win, which you will, you can send an email 176 00:11:50.759 --> 00:11:52.440 to Comanical Code of gmail dot com and you can tell us whether you want 177 00:11:52.480 --> 00:11:58.320 the stickers or the tokens or the regular old skanky back of magic cards. 178 00:11:58.320 --> 00:12:01.840 I don't know why you, but you can have one of those three things. 179 00:12:01.960 --> 00:12:05.039 Hit us up with your name and your address, including your postal zip 180 00:12:05.080 --> 00:12:07.639 code, and we'll send that crap off to you, and then you're gonna 181 00:12:07.679 --> 00:12:09.679 have them to hold and enjoy. And couple of that stuff, A couple 182 00:12:09.679 --> 00:12:13.320 of funny things. Tell me a skanky pack of magic cards? I said, 183 00:12:13.360 --> 00:12:18.759 it is that stinky and crappy? Yes, and also hit us up, 184 00:12:18.080 --> 00:12:22.440 hook us up and hit us up. Oh that was me misspeaking. 185 00:12:22.960 --> 00:12:28.279 But also yes, yes, okay, so at Judge Canada, whoever you 186 00:12:28.320 --> 00:12:31.360 are, because that's your YouTube pandle and I don't know what your real name 187 00:12:31.440 --> 00:12:37.279 is. Hit us up. You're the winner. Yayo yeah go you also 188 00:12:37.679 --> 00:12:41.000 you for playing? Yes? If you for being here? Yes? Okay, 189 00:12:41.080 --> 00:12:46.840 so uh re visiting planes, here's why we're talking about this. Hit 190 00:12:46.879 --> 00:12:52.279 them up with the truth. Brando, so ixelon was everybody's pumped about Xelon? 191 00:12:52.320 --> 00:12:56.200 I'm not here to dump on anybody's fun. I think it's neat too. 192 00:12:56.320 --> 00:13:00.159 I really liked it, and you had some very positive things to say, 193 00:13:00.759 --> 00:13:05.159 along with some general criticisms of every Magic set like we have. You 194 00:13:05.159 --> 00:13:09.120 can listen to it all in our review as you can, as you have 195 00:13:09.240 --> 00:13:13.039 of every set. There's always something to critique about it, because nothing's perfect. 196 00:13:13.600 --> 00:13:16.679 Here is my thought on Exelon overall. If you take out all of 197 00:13:16.720 --> 00:13:22.519 the fancy arts and all that stuff, it feels a lot like the first 198 00:13:22.519 --> 00:13:28.000 time it went to Xelon, like jungle dinosaurs, pirates and vampires trying to 199 00:13:28.039 --> 00:13:33.759 get into temples, and there's murphok and there's a bunch of right Like it's 200 00:13:33.799 --> 00:13:37.960 not a carbon copy of the exact same set, but it kind of is. 201 00:13:37.200 --> 00:13:43.600 And I think my thoughts on this during the review were it feels like 202 00:13:43.639 --> 00:13:48.399 there's lots smushed in here, and all the things that are smushed into one 203 00:13:48.480 --> 00:13:54.799 set are the same things that were smushed in last time where it wasn't very 204 00:13:54.799 --> 00:14:01.840 well received for different reasons. But also this time there's like this Temple of 205 00:14:01.960 --> 00:14:07.840 Doom exploring Indiana Jones kind of theme that we kind of got off of Zenda 206 00:14:07.919 --> 00:14:11.000 car A couple times as well. Yeah, and it just I don't know, 207 00:14:11.080 --> 00:14:16.720 like did it did it hit super hard? And I know some people 208 00:14:16.759 --> 00:14:20.759 really liked what they did here, and that's super cool. I like the 209 00:14:20.799 --> 00:14:22.320 set. Yeah, I'm so pumped that people had all the stuff to look 210 00:14:22.360 --> 00:14:26.759 forward to and they felt represented and seen. That's always important. But I 211 00:14:26.799 --> 00:14:28.960 think the fact is mechanically, I feel like this was kind of just a 212 00:14:30.000 --> 00:14:31.679 retread of the first time we went to Chelon. It's got the things that 213 00:14:31.679 --> 00:14:35.559 flip over into lands, which I enjoy, but again here we are doing 214 00:14:35.639 --> 00:14:39.519 the same thing again. It's got big dinosaurs that do stuff. It's got 215 00:14:39.559 --> 00:14:43.320 pirates that do stealing stuff. I've got murph folks that do draw cards, 216 00:14:43.320 --> 00:14:46.679 put lancemic stuff. And what was the other thing that they had vampires that 217 00:14:46.720 --> 00:14:50.960 do get bigger when they do damage stuff. Yep. Right, And this 218 00:14:50.039 --> 00:14:56.480 time we had cascade sort of which I appreciate sure some and some of the 219 00:14:56.519 --> 00:15:01.200 new mechanics minus uh, whatever the hell that one you're talking Discover felt kind 220 00:15:01.200 --> 00:15:03.519 of lazy to me. Even Discover felt a little lazy. It's just fixed 221 00:15:03.559 --> 00:15:09.679 cascade. It's it's ETB cascade instead of cast cascade castcade. Yeah, and 222 00:15:11.120 --> 00:15:13.399 it's cool, like I played with it at the pre release and it's really 223 00:15:13.480 --> 00:15:16.440 neat and I enjoyed it, but it just it felt a little lazy. 224 00:15:16.519 --> 00:15:20.919 And the simile I draw, and this might make me vastly unpopular on the 225 00:15:20.960 --> 00:15:26.080 internet, is all the times we've been back to Ravnica where Ravnica is the 226 00:15:26.120 --> 00:15:31.840 same set every time it's ten two color guilds that fight against each other. 227 00:15:33.000 --> 00:15:39.799 I don't think that's a simile whatever, where it's just it feels very same 228 00:15:39.879 --> 00:15:45.519 sy and while the guilds always they're not doing the same thing, it's not 229 00:15:45.559 --> 00:15:48.840 like they every one of them. You have, Yeah, but like Demerors 230 00:15:48.919 --> 00:15:56.039 the Milk Color and Groll kind of has big stuff and creative things and about 231 00:15:56.039 --> 00:16:00.080 the graveyard and Ractose a bunch of cycles and is it moral? Boris is 232 00:16:00.120 --> 00:16:04.919 the attacky guild. Yes, every time we go to Ravnica during Ravnica Block, 233 00:16:06.000 --> 00:16:11.200 Ravnica City of Guilds Block and then return to Ravnica Block to return to 234 00:16:11.279 --> 00:16:14.960 Ravaca and then the War the Spark, I think War of the Spark, 235 00:16:15.279 --> 00:16:19.480 but it was Ravnica Allegiance and yeah, they just the other one is that 236 00:16:19.519 --> 00:16:22.639 I have it up. It doesn't blow me away when we go back to 237 00:16:22.679 --> 00:16:26.440 a plane like that, because they're never they're cool and they're they're fun sets, 238 00:16:26.480 --> 00:16:33.320 But like, do they do they innovate past? Should we just go 239 00:16:33.399 --> 00:16:36.919 to somewhere else? Like could we go somewhere new and do something exciting that 240 00:16:37.000 --> 00:16:40.279 way? Guilds of Ravnica? There we go. They just they were just 241 00:16:40.320 --> 00:16:42.360 like, yeah, we're doing guilds. They did you try? You already 242 00:16:42.399 --> 00:16:45.320 know that we're doing this. Yes, we were doing guilds the whole time, 243 00:16:45.360 --> 00:16:48.840 and now we're gonna tell you we're not even going to try to make 244 00:16:48.879 --> 00:16:52.399 it like we're Yes, And I guess I just thought it would be interesting 245 00:16:52.440 --> 00:16:55.919 to have the conversation like, is it do we like when we go back 246 00:16:55.960 --> 00:17:00.399 to when we revisit popular planes? Is it? Is it? Do they 247 00:17:00.440 --> 00:17:03.799 explore a bunch of new ground when they go back with Ravnika? I would 248 00:17:03.840 --> 00:17:07.960 suggest that they do not. With excellent I would suggest that they do not 249 00:17:07.319 --> 00:17:11.920 in terms of art direction or story progression. Maybe there is, but like 250 00:17:12.000 --> 00:17:18.880 in terms of just like yeah, tertiary, like not being very entrenched magic 251 00:17:18.119 --> 00:17:22.440 story buffs. I don't think that you or I could speak to that with 252 00:17:22.559 --> 00:17:27.200 any no, but being just people authority, read flavor, text and look 253 00:17:27.240 --> 00:17:30.680 at cards. Yeah, like all the Ravnica sets look the same. Both 254 00:17:30.720 --> 00:17:37.240 the excellent sets look the same. Contrary maybe to that would be what's it 255 00:17:37.240 --> 00:17:41.000 called? We just? We were just? And then Neon Dynasty, Yeah, 256 00:17:41.039 --> 00:17:45.079 Camagawa and yeah super different like ancient like Ninjas in Japan to like cyberpunk 257 00:17:45.160 --> 00:17:51.079 super Duper City. Those did not feel the same, but they were the 258 00:17:51.119 --> 00:17:52.200 same. Yeah, Okay, I got two things. I got two things. 259 00:17:52.200 --> 00:17:59.599 Before we move too far past sets looking the same, there is something 260 00:17:59.640 --> 00:18:07.839 to be said about x X thing being a popular thing and then going and 261 00:18:07.880 --> 00:18:11.960 doing it again. Yeah, that's a different marketing strategy. Yeah, and 262 00:18:12.200 --> 00:18:19.400 if there's more design space that they either discovered or intentionally left to go back 263 00:18:19.440 --> 00:18:25.920 to, going back to that and giving us more of the same feel and 264 00:18:26.039 --> 00:18:33.079 mechanics and look both the look mechanically, the look actual visually, the flavor, 265 00:18:33.279 --> 00:18:36.920 the maps, the lands, the temples, the dinosaurs, those are 266 00:18:36.960 --> 00:18:40.039 all things that people like. Hell yeah, And that is again why I 267 00:18:40.200 --> 00:18:44.519 think that Los Cavern's Exelon is a cool set, because I like that setting 268 00:18:45.240 --> 00:18:51.559 and I do like the presentation of it even more since I looked like in 269 00:18:51.640 --> 00:18:53.640 Vegas at the preview panel, and I met some of the some of the 270 00:18:55.200 --> 00:18:59.880 world builders and designers for the set backstage after like the preview panel, and 271 00:19:00.160 --> 00:19:04.680 actually talked about kind of their culture that they poured into this set. Like, 272 00:19:06.200 --> 00:19:10.799 we're not saying none of that, We're not saying that doesn't matter. 273 00:19:10.920 --> 00:19:15.440 Hell no, I'm just you're saying that it feels the same as it did 274 00:19:15.480 --> 00:19:21.359 before, despite the changes that they made either mechanically or story wise to fix 275 00:19:21.400 --> 00:19:26.680 it. I'm saying all having all of it back again feels squished. I 276 00:19:26.759 --> 00:19:27.680 just want them to break new ground, you know what I'm saying. Like, 277 00:19:27.920 --> 00:19:32.359 Yeah, I think the one that I look at kind of especially visually 278 00:19:32.400 --> 00:19:38.000 would be Eldrain. It was kind of like the the very whimsical hand painting 279 00:19:38.200 --> 00:19:45.599 fairy Tailey castles and Shrek. Yeah that is when we were in with all 280 00:19:45.599 --> 00:19:51.559 of the humans and the nobles and we saw it from like the the very 281 00:19:51.759 --> 00:19:56.079 known fairy tale standpoint. Yeah, and then when we wouldn't back to the 282 00:19:56.119 --> 00:19:59.680 wilds of Eldrain right in the name. Now you're out in the backwoods, 283 00:19:59.759 --> 00:20:02.680 Yes, you're in the real pretty shit now where there could be a troll 284 00:20:02.720 --> 00:20:06.400 in every tree or every tree could be a troll, or every tree could 285 00:20:06.400 --> 00:20:10.519 be a troll that's actually made out of candy. Yeah. Yeah, and 286 00:20:10.599 --> 00:20:12.440 it just that was That's a good example. Yeah, and it felt different 287 00:20:12.720 --> 00:20:17.000 while it was still the same. And I know that Aaron kr R really 288 00:20:17.079 --> 00:20:21.240 liked El Draine and I know that he was really excited about the return in 289 00:20:21.319 --> 00:20:23.559 that way. And I feel like it serviced that grew who wanted to go 290 00:20:23.599 --> 00:20:26.640 back to El Drain and do it again. But for people like me who 291 00:20:26.640 --> 00:20:29.839 always kind of want to see, like, what's the new thing, what's 292 00:20:29.880 --> 00:20:33.359 the new direction you're gonna try, especially artistically, they did that as well, 293 00:20:33.400 --> 00:20:36.440 and I think they did it very well. Camic Gow was another good 294 00:20:36.480 --> 00:20:38.880 example where it felt like an entirely different world with just some names that we 295 00:20:38.960 --> 00:20:44.480 knew from before. Yeah. And I think we talked off the air when 296 00:20:44.480 --> 00:20:48.200 we go back to Zenda Car both times, like we did Zenda Car with 297 00:20:48.240 --> 00:20:52.000 the I shouldn't say with the avatar esque everything, because Avatar lifted it from 298 00:20:52.039 --> 00:20:56.200 Zendacar. I thought, well, they didn't, but I'm gonna say they 299 00:20:56.559 --> 00:21:03.200 did. I really think, Okay, this is the evolution of the conversation. 300 00:21:03.480 --> 00:21:08.480 Is that going back to the same place for an actual very different or 301 00:21:10.799 --> 00:21:18.079 very different and or right hand turn and or completion in the story feels like 302 00:21:18.200 --> 00:21:22.960 a different reason to go back. And I'm okay with having the same setting 303 00:21:22.359 --> 00:21:29.720 and characters and obstacles, challenges, visual look, mechanical feel of the game. 304 00:21:29.880 --> 00:21:34.519 I'm okay with that if it's very evident where the story is happening and 305 00:21:34.839 --> 00:21:38.799 how it's happening. And I think that War of the Spark is an excellent 306 00:21:38.920 --> 00:21:41.920 way, Like, Okay, we had Gilds of Ravnica and Ravnica Allegiance where 307 00:21:41.920 --> 00:21:47.400 it's like, oh, yeah, this is Ravnica set seven and eight at 308 00:21:47.400 --> 00:21:51.160 this point, and then War the Spark happened and it's like, oh, 309 00:21:51.240 --> 00:21:53.519 this is what it's been about the whole time, and this is what Kaladish 310 00:21:53.599 --> 00:21:56.920 has been about. Kaladish is a great example of going somewhere new that feels 311 00:21:56.960 --> 00:22:02.279 totally different. Yeah, and then to bring Kaladesh to Ravnika with with like 312 00:22:02.680 --> 00:22:07.200 the Inventor's Fair and Tesret stealing the bridge and shit and the nickel Bolis the 313 00:22:07.400 --> 00:22:11.599 oldest longest time villain, like and I know I'm getting into the story of 314 00:22:11.640 --> 00:22:15.400 it, which the only reasons now the only reason I'm getting into the story 315 00:22:15.440 --> 00:22:19.480 of it is because War of the Spark the set did such a good job 316 00:22:19.480 --> 00:22:23.480 in telling the story. I know what the story is, and this is 317 00:22:23.519 --> 00:22:30.119 a good example of using the story to make the ninth fucking Ravenica feel interesting 318 00:22:30.279 --> 00:22:33.920 and engaging and like it matters. Yes, that, and they give us 319 00:22:33.920 --> 00:22:37.880 some really freaking good cards. Yes, the really freaking good cards. I 320 00:22:37.880 --> 00:22:41.240 think might be kind of a bit of an aside in a lot of ways, 321 00:22:41.319 --> 00:22:45.319 because I mean, if you take the art off of a magic card, 322 00:22:45.519 --> 00:22:47.880 it still does what it does, right, Yeah, So a lot 323 00:22:47.920 --> 00:22:51.039 of the setting kind of is important here. Like let's just say, for 324 00:22:51.079 --> 00:22:55.079 an example, if we went back to Caladesh and it was another inventor's fair 325 00:22:55.759 --> 00:22:56.839 and they had a bunch you know what, and it was just the same 326 00:22:57.599 --> 00:23:00.119 yeah, right, and it's but we're here again. Look, and there's 327 00:23:00.119 --> 00:23:03.240 a bunch of new keywords, like is that gonna be as exciting as if 328 00:23:03.240 --> 00:23:08.160 they just took all that mechanical business and dropped it into the Wild West set? 329 00:23:08.160 --> 00:23:14.359 That's coming out right? Got them again? Wait? You know what 330 00:23:14.400 --> 00:23:18.000 I mean? Wait, because they could very easily do that or instead of 331 00:23:18.000 --> 00:23:21.720 just hey, we're going back to Caldash because everybody loves Kaladesh and it's gonna 332 00:23:21.759 --> 00:23:25.200 be kind of the same. Nah, We're gonna put some wild West skins 333 00:23:25.240 --> 00:23:27.279 on it and it's gonna be the same but different because it's got cowboy hats. 334 00:23:27.319 --> 00:23:30.279 Now, yeah, how old magic cards and a cowboy hat? Right? 335 00:23:30.359 --> 00:23:33.960 Like that way you can do that and that that's really cool and I 336 00:23:33.000 --> 00:23:36.720 would prefer them to do that, I think, unless they're going back for 337 00:23:36.759 --> 00:23:38.720 like a really good story reason, or if they're gonna break some new ground. 338 00:23:38.759 --> 00:23:42.400 I'd love to see them go back to Almondcat now that Nick Bollis is 339 00:23:42.440 --> 00:23:47.200 gone and Hazard that's the only god that's left and he's beat it out into 340 00:23:47.200 --> 00:23:48.960 the desert. Now he's gonna come back. It's like three thousand years later 341 00:23:49.039 --> 00:23:52.720 and then he's like the god and like Plan, the Plan's coming back to 342 00:23:52.799 --> 00:23:55.279 life because it was dead plane, right, Yeah, it's dead And you'd 343 00:23:55.319 --> 00:23:59.319 like to see that like come back to life. And that could come from 344 00:23:59.359 --> 00:24:04.119 We're pretty we're potentially treading onto the twenty twenty four look ahead episode, I 345 00:24:04.160 --> 00:24:07.960 know, but that would be cool and I would just I would love to 346 00:24:07.000 --> 00:24:12.240 see more of that sort of thing. Unless here's that set that you guys 347 00:24:12.319 --> 00:24:19.279 liked before again again as the Undertaker would say yes again. So without getting 348 00:24:19.400 --> 00:24:23.640 too much into predictions, because later on in December, as we always do, 349 00:24:25.279 --> 00:24:30.519 we're gonna do our are you our year end wrap up the year that 350 00:24:30.680 --> 00:24:34.279 was twenty twenty three, which which is always fun, like the successes the 351 00:24:34.319 --> 00:24:38.839 failures, where we're fucking right and where we're wrong, which one of those 352 00:24:38.880 --> 00:24:42.480 categories is far bigger than the other. Yeah, the right, because we're 353 00:24:42.519 --> 00:24:45.160 always right. We're also gonna do a thing. We're gonna tell you everything's 354 00:24:45.160 --> 00:24:48.720 gonna happen next year and the year twenty twenty four look ahead. That's my 355 00:24:48.799 --> 00:24:55.599 favorite one because just some of its baseless speculation and some of it's like educated 356 00:24:55.640 --> 00:25:00.119 guesses because we're entrenched in the magic verse, bunch of stuff that we want 357 00:25:00.160 --> 00:25:03.519 and sometimes we get it, like New Soul Rins and Shiit. The Western 358 00:25:03.599 --> 00:25:07.920 set and the universe is beyond stuff that's coming, and just the predictions that 359 00:25:07.960 --> 00:25:11.000 we're gonna see. Oh man, I like that stuff. I'm a fan 360 00:25:11.000 --> 00:25:14.720 of. Ah Man, I can't wait for this Western set, you know, 361 00:25:14.920 --> 00:25:18.799 Okay, I'm nope, I'm not. We can't get but off air 362 00:25:18.839 --> 00:25:22.240 when I was getting a drink of water. I was like, you know 363 00:25:22.319 --> 00:25:23.160 that this is going to be a car? Do you know that this is 364 00:25:23.200 --> 00:25:25.960 going to be a card? You know that this is going to be a 365 00:25:26.000 --> 00:25:27.599 card. We're all pumped about it. Yeah, Western set, and you 366 00:25:27.680 --> 00:25:33.680 know that they've been freaking working on that Western set and brainstorming ideas to keep 367 00:25:33.839 --> 00:25:37.720 the cultural sensitivity around that genre. You know that they've been working on that 368 00:25:37.759 --> 00:25:41.240 for like ten years. So the set is going to be a banger. 369 00:25:41.640 --> 00:25:44.400 Yeah, oh man, I can't wait. Cowboy hats, oh yeah, 370 00:25:44.440 --> 00:25:45.799 ten gallon hat is going to be a card. Man, That's gonna be 371 00:25:45.839 --> 00:25:53.039 something so good, so good. I'm not gonna go into my predictions back 372 00:25:53.079 --> 00:25:59.160 to going to new planes old planes. Now, speaking of the reason that 373 00:25:59.359 --> 00:26:02.960 Ryan Produced speculates that we did not get a Western set back in the nineties 374 00:26:03.079 --> 00:26:07.000 is because it was difficult for Watzi to get off of Dominaria. They didn't 375 00:26:07.000 --> 00:26:11.359 have the creative kind of technology that they have now with planes walkers and pre 376 00:26:11.480 --> 00:26:15.119 mending, post mending and the bubble that they were trapped in and Dominaria was 377 00:26:15.119 --> 00:26:19.799 where magic happens blah blah blah. So was Dominaria set that ever got boring, 378 00:26:22.480 --> 00:26:26.960 No, because it had so much like and was it not boring because 379 00:26:26.960 --> 00:26:30.960 it was like what we always knew And this is just what magic was because 380 00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:36.400 we did do what the first dozen sets we'll just say, yeah, from 381 00:26:36.519 --> 00:26:41.359 ninety three to two thousand and two. Yeah, like up to time Sparrow, 382 00:26:41.519 --> 00:26:45.240 everything's on domin Area essentially. Well, no, up to mirrored in 383 00:26:45.359 --> 00:26:48.680 was our first way where we left and that had that had a connection to 384 00:26:52.240 --> 00:26:56.519 domin Area through carn and stuff. Right, So we had all these years 385 00:26:56.519 --> 00:27:00.200 and Dominaria never felt old because I mean, they gave us the ice Aye, 386 00:27:00.319 --> 00:27:03.880 and they gave us different times in history. It wasn't all just one 387 00:27:03.920 --> 00:27:07.400 story. It was different times in history. It was different parts of the 388 00:27:07.440 --> 00:27:11.640 world. Over the course of dozens of novels and dozens of books and comics 389 00:27:11.680 --> 00:27:18.839 and sets and online stories, the world got deep and rich and it felt 390 00:27:18.880 --> 00:27:22.000 real, right, And that's why when we went back to Dominari in twenty 391 00:27:22.319 --> 00:27:25.119 seventeen that was such a big deal. Seventeen or eighteen, they were so 392 00:27:25.160 --> 00:27:27.680 pumped in the back. Yeah, just before our inaugural trip to Xelon, 393 00:27:29.200 --> 00:27:34.200 which was great, we went to Dominaria, which was like the most popular 394 00:27:34.279 --> 00:27:37.519 set ever at the time because it got people back in. It's like, 395 00:27:37.559 --> 00:27:45.119 oh, look at all these these returning characters. Returning characters ruins places. 396 00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:49.799 It almost felt like Time Spiral, which was another popular set, but this 397 00:27:51.079 --> 00:27:56.400 was like a boiled down what's important version of Time Spiral, which felt like 398 00:27:56.839 --> 00:28:03.119 very matured and very distilled down to all of the best things with the best 399 00:28:03.160 --> 00:28:08.000 points in history being referenced from Dominaria, with all of our favorite characters from 400 00:28:08.359 --> 00:28:14.319 Pivotable, Pivotable, pivotal, pivotal, pivotal moments in Dominaria's history. Like 401 00:28:14.359 --> 00:28:18.440 that's why the Dominaria set was so good, and never did that set feel 402 00:28:18.559 --> 00:28:22.440 like they're taking Dominaria and going boo, I'm doing it again, which is 403 00:28:22.480 --> 00:28:27.680 great. Yeah, they did something storyline wise and creatively and throwbacks. They 404 00:28:27.680 --> 00:28:32.640 did just enough throwbacks and mechanistics, yeah, to make to keep it fresh 405 00:28:32.720 --> 00:28:36.599 even though the setting is not. I suppose when stuff I suppose when you 406 00:28:36.640 --> 00:28:41.279 have an entire like history worth of a world and you pick all of the 407 00:28:41.279 --> 00:28:44.599 best things and put them into one product, it better be good. That 408 00:28:44.599 --> 00:28:51.359 that's gonna be good, right, versus saying here's in an entirely the whole 409 00:28:51.680 --> 00:28:55.519 of everything we have of Exelon, here's everything we know, let's take it, 410 00:28:55.799 --> 00:28:59.720 and it's like only this big and and let's just do it again. 411 00:29:00.680 --> 00:29:06.079 Even though since then we've added a world building team and we've created more depth 412 00:29:06.519 --> 00:29:11.240 sort of artificially, but really it's all artificial. It's artificial depth. Yet 413 00:29:11.279 --> 00:29:15.680 it's artificial depth. And again not knocking because I like the set and I 414 00:29:15.720 --> 00:29:22.880 appreciate having people from the culture that they're emulating being part of the design. 415 00:29:22.000 --> 00:29:26.400 I think that that That's Dope adds a level of realism to the artificial depth, 416 00:29:26.799 --> 00:29:30.640 though artificial it remains. Yes, I wonder if the Duke is going 417 00:29:30.720 --> 00:29:34.119 to be involved with the Cowboys set. That's dead. The Duke I can 418 00:29:34.160 --> 00:29:38.000 never remember his real name. He was the guy that played Genghis Khan in 419 00:29:38.039 --> 00:29:42.119 that movie where everybody got radiation poisoning and he was a cowboy and he says, 420 00:29:42.279 --> 00:29:47.680 uh, what in the ass are you talking about? What's his name? 421 00:29:47.720 --> 00:29:52.359 He's like the most famous Western actor of all time. Everybody knows what 422 00:29:52.359 --> 00:29:55.279 I'm talking about. Is he the guy that does like the dodge ram commercials? 423 00:29:55.559 --> 00:29:59.079 No? No, that's another guy whose name I can't remember. Also 424 00:29:59.200 --> 00:30:03.319 very famous Western also starting a movie called Frogs. That guy, the guy 425 00:30:03.359 --> 00:30:07.119 that Ryan's talking about, the guy I'm talking about, was like he's in 426 00:30:07.200 --> 00:30:08.480 every movie you have. You know this guy's name, and I just like, 427 00:30:08.559 --> 00:30:15.519 it's everybody is yelling and throwing stuff. Clint Eastwood. No, it's 428 00:30:15.559 --> 00:30:18.759 the other Clint Eastwood. He's like the guy that came out. He's Clint 429 00:30:18.759 --> 00:30:22.480 Eastwood before Clint Eastwood. Hey, we're going down to that thing pil Grum 430 00:30:22.720 --> 00:30:26.519 and we're gonna get into some fights with some people at boat Hill. You 431 00:30:26.559 --> 00:30:30.519 a bunch of fucks. I forget that's that's that's just me talking. That 432 00:30:30.680 --> 00:30:37.279 sounds pretty Clint Eastwood. The point is going places is dope. Are there 433 00:30:37.279 --> 00:30:40.440 any other planes that we've like kind of gone to? And I guess we 434 00:30:40.519 --> 00:30:45.480 did the Crimson vow Wear Wolf wedding and yeah, so that a good one. 435 00:30:45.559 --> 00:30:52.400 Let's know, it wasn't well, the sets were shiit og was fantastic. 436 00:30:52.519 --> 00:30:59.119 It was our first real top down tropy place that we got. Everybody 437 00:30:59.200 --> 00:31:03.119 like that one in a extrade og On in twenty twelve or whatever was like 438 00:31:03.079 --> 00:31:10.160 man vampires versus werewolves. That's a thing I like, like Frankenstein and jecculin 439 00:31:10.279 --> 00:31:14.960 Hyde and classics from literature that I that I that I know, even if 440 00:31:15.000 --> 00:31:17.200 I've never read them, I know what they are. Those are things that 441 00:31:17.240 --> 00:31:19.920 I like. Those are things that I like. And because it was they 442 00:31:19.960 --> 00:31:23.279 took the name of the card and then they like Jecklin Hyde for example, 443 00:31:23.319 --> 00:31:26.160 and then they built a card around it. It's a sucky card, but 444 00:31:26.200 --> 00:31:30.720 it was so cool that he had a card and I know exactly the trope 445 00:31:30.720 --> 00:31:33.480 and I know exactly what it does and what it means and what it represents. 446 00:31:33.039 --> 00:31:37.799 Industrade was fantastic. Fast forward to Crimson Val. They tried to do 447 00:31:37.880 --> 00:31:42.240 something different and it's like the vampire wedding with these characters that they've introduced over 448 00:31:42.279 --> 00:31:48.599 the course of disjointed products like Commander products, and a return to Inustrade with 449 00:31:48.680 --> 00:31:53.519 the El Drazi war that was in the forefront. Instead of developing like is 450 00:31:53.559 --> 00:31:56.720 it a regular horror, it's cosmic horror, which is cool. Yeah, 451 00:31:56.759 --> 00:32:00.759 I like that. Yeah, that was me. Is it is it traditional 452 00:32:00.839 --> 00:32:07.960 classic horror trope or is it like love crafty and cosmic, unexplainable horror, 453 00:32:08.000 --> 00:32:15.599 which is not even really. I don't think the original intention for the major 454 00:32:15.680 --> 00:32:19.720 El Drasi when they were introduced in Zenda Car, So they kind of repurposed 455 00:32:19.720 --> 00:32:24.559 this thing to build off of the success that they had at Innustrade, which 456 00:32:24.599 --> 00:32:29.160 is great. If they didn't want them to be Cthulhu, they shouldn't have 457 00:32:29.240 --> 00:32:34.400 made them into Cthulhu. And then we go back for this wedding with these 458 00:32:34.519 --> 00:32:38.759 characters that we got like in Commander Products and on different planes, like Nihiri 459 00:32:38.920 --> 00:32:43.440 and she's like trapped somewhere and fighting sore and like what, I don't know, 460 00:32:43.599 --> 00:32:46.599 Yeah, what is this? And we weren't that We're not I should 461 00:32:46.599 --> 00:32:52.480 say that into the story of that particular plane, So we didn't get it, 462 00:32:52.599 --> 00:32:55.200 and the cards and the setting didn't really do a good enough job explaining 463 00:32:55.240 --> 00:32:59.200 to us A why we should give a shit or B what the hell is 464 00:32:59.240 --> 00:33:01.119 going on? And then there was another werewolf set in there too that was 465 00:33:01.160 --> 00:33:06.079 also on in Austrade and I don't even well fast Okay, So we had 466 00:33:06.119 --> 00:33:12.240 original Innustrade and then we had Dark Ascension, right, and then Avison restored 467 00:33:12.839 --> 00:33:15.759 and that's fine. There's a little arc there, like the zombies and the 468 00:33:15.759 --> 00:33:17.880 bad guys are taken over because Avison got trapped in the hell of vault and 469 00:33:17.920 --> 00:33:22.279 then she gets out and she like cleans house. That's kind of cool, 470 00:33:22.319 --> 00:33:27.680 and it kind of is again classic horror, kind of follows this Redeemer kind 471 00:33:27.680 --> 00:33:34.160 of arc where she saved like their their religious figurehead saves their world. Cool. 472 00:33:34.200 --> 00:33:37.319 I think that's cool. I think that's that's cool. That's something that 473 00:33:37.319 --> 00:33:39.640 people might be into. Right, And she's a fricking smoking Haney angel and 474 00:33:40.319 --> 00:33:43.880 she's got to fight this demon who's got like a club for a hand. 475 00:33:44.480 --> 00:33:47.839 Grizzle Brand. Eh, grizzle Band man. I played one game against grizzle 476 00:33:47.920 --> 00:33:54.160 Brand. I'm like, holy fuck, this card's good ten days later yep. 477 00:33:55.000 --> 00:33:59.440 Anyways, then we got like Shadows over Innustrade Eldrich Moon. That was 478 00:33:59.440 --> 00:34:02.440 the El Draws stuff where tentacles were coming out of everybody's everywhere. I like 479 00:34:02.519 --> 00:34:06.400 that one. That was cool. Well yeah, but that was the repurpose 480 00:34:06.440 --> 00:34:08.800 del Drawsy Like, hey, let's let's keep using these characters so we can 481 00:34:09.039 --> 00:34:16.079 write. Then we go, uh, Crimson Vow and Midnight Hunt? What 482 00:34:16.199 --> 00:34:21.559 even happened in mid What is going? Because Vampire Wedding? We all remember 483 00:34:22.239 --> 00:34:24.719 what the hell happened in Midnight Hunt? Like why was it even there? 484 00:34:25.159 --> 00:34:30.719 Was that worth stapling in Austrad to And if they didn't staple in Astrad to 485 00:34:30.760 --> 00:34:35.559 it, how much worse would it have done? If Crimson Vow and Midnight 486 00:34:35.639 --> 00:34:38.719 Hunt weren't on Innustrad. Would they have killed Magic the way that Kamagawa did 487 00:34:39.719 --> 00:34:44.039 the first when everybody was like, oh fuck this game, this sucks? 488 00:34:44.119 --> 00:34:47.159 Yeah, Like would people just have just hopped in the boat and just sailed 489 00:34:47.159 --> 00:34:50.760 away? Do you think you know what? Like I look at this one. 490 00:34:51.360 --> 00:34:55.519 I look at this from a couple things, Like we've mentioned mechanically or 491 00:34:55.920 --> 00:35:00.480 or within the game of Magic, then we've mentioned it from like the story 492 00:35:00.519 --> 00:35:06.440 perspective as well. Of course they're trying to tell this vampire story with Crimson 493 00:35:06.519 --> 00:35:12.679 Vow. Sure, but we also need to service like zombies and werewolves and 494 00:35:12.719 --> 00:35:15.679 all the other monsters that people expect in Industrade, So we need like Midnight 495 00:35:15.719 --> 00:35:19.119 Hunt. It's like, Okay, what's going on here? I have no 496 00:35:19.199 --> 00:35:22.760 idea, I don't even care, and I don't care because werewolves still suck 497 00:35:22.159 --> 00:35:25.239 day and night. Really, who cares? That's what you're gonna do to 498 00:35:25.320 --> 00:35:31.039 us? Get So that's an example of where they're trying to do the story 499 00:35:31.079 --> 00:35:37.480 thing and the mechanical trope flavor thing and just and not him, And then 500 00:35:37.519 --> 00:35:39.719 they're like, hey, you guys like black and white stuff too. Hey, 501 00:35:40.280 --> 00:35:45.559 that's like that's like classic nineteen twenties horror cinema. You ever seen Nosferatu? 502 00:35:45.639 --> 00:35:47.400 It was like the scariest movie of all time in nineteen twenty two. 503 00:35:47.800 --> 00:35:51.840 Eight, It's the only scary movie in nineteen twenty two is fucking the only 504 00:35:51.880 --> 00:35:54.599 one? Yep? And b No, we don't like black and white stuff, 505 00:35:54.639 --> 00:35:58.320 no, especially when it's not new or designed to be in black and 506 00:35:58.320 --> 00:36:00.880 white, and it looks terrible. The stuff that's designed to be in black 507 00:36:00.880 --> 00:36:04.840 and white, I do love, and I like colorizing those. I like 508 00:36:04.920 --> 00:36:07.880 that's I'm sure that that's very fine. I like that. But let's remember 509 00:36:07.920 --> 00:36:09.199 that none of that art was meant to be in black and white. It's 510 00:36:09.239 --> 00:36:15.400 all just xerox. Yep, that was your actual freaking review of it is 511 00:36:15.440 --> 00:36:25.159 it's just xerox black and white eyed color art. Oh? Not good? 512 00:36:25.320 --> 00:36:29.119 Those were not very good. I think I think I still got someone em 513 00:36:29.159 --> 00:36:31.119 in the in the stinky onion bag. Maybe maybe the next person who wants 514 00:36:31.159 --> 00:36:35.639 a booster pack will get one of those. Actually, if you had to 515 00:36:35.679 --> 00:36:37.280 foil out of some foil rare, some that are actually worth some dollars. 516 00:36:37.880 --> 00:36:42.960 Foil talks real black and white as shitty as it looks. What about a 517 00:36:43.000 --> 00:36:47.880 snapcast? Mate? He come and foil? And that's maybe because they did 518 00:36:47.880 --> 00:36:52.400 like the silver screen. They even meant it to be like old school horror 519 00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:54.079 movies, right, They were like, this is the silver screen edition. 520 00:36:54.239 --> 00:36:59.960 And then it was all etched foil. Oh was it? Yeah? Man, 521 00:37:00.119 --> 00:37:05.880 what a failure that sucks. What a failure as a product, etched 522 00:37:05.920 --> 00:37:13.440 foil. Just take a minute and just make sure that everybody knows how terrible 523 00:37:14.639 --> 00:37:20.960 everybody thinks etched foil is. And I've even heard some people say things like 524 00:37:21.239 --> 00:37:24.079 edged foil is not that bad, or I like etched foil more than x 525 00:37:24.199 --> 00:37:30.519 y Z. You don't, or you're just saying that and being untruthful, 526 00:37:30.840 --> 00:37:39.360 or you're wrong, and it's okay to be wrong when you listen and learn 527 00:37:39.559 --> 00:37:45.719 and improve your ways of thinking and articulating your thought through speech or writing. 528 00:37:46.000 --> 00:37:51.639 Yes, etched foil sucks and we don't want to see any more of it. 529 00:37:51.800 --> 00:37:58.920 Sure don't never again. Saver sucky. Okay, So I'm building decks 530 00:37:58.960 --> 00:38:04.199 the other day Okay, I got the deck building, but bug from people 531 00:38:04.199 --> 00:38:07.239 in the nation helping me with the new Calamax building, right, we got 532 00:38:07.320 --> 00:38:08.960 some good suggestions. Keep them coming on the discord. If you want to 533 00:38:09.000 --> 00:38:13.239 be a part of it, join our freaking patron. So you're doing Calimax 534 00:38:13.760 --> 00:38:17.320 and guy here and Gandalf and dinosaurs driving trains like three decks on the goal. 535 00:38:17.519 --> 00:38:21.760 So Calamax is gonna be like Calimax, and then you're gonna take the 536 00:38:21.800 --> 00:38:24.400 dinosaurs riding trains thing out of that do its own thing plus another Lord of 537 00:38:24.400 --> 00:38:30.639 the Rings deck. Correct. Holy good guys, Good guys guys. Yeah. 538 00:38:30.719 --> 00:38:36.119 Yes, tough to find good ways to tap Calimax at instant speed without 539 00:38:36.159 --> 00:38:40.239 attacking. That's the challenge. Anyways. So I'm going through cards and I've 540 00:38:40.239 --> 00:38:44.840 got this stack of jank foils that I just I don't know why I have 541 00:38:44.960 --> 00:38:47.519 them. They just there's freaking foils here, are you mean? There's just 542 00:38:47.559 --> 00:38:52.960 commons and oncommons and shit and just whatever. So I'm going through looking for 543 00:38:53.039 --> 00:38:57.480 this one random thing that I know that I own from four years ago. 544 00:38:57.639 --> 00:39:00.280 It's like, why do I have this? And I'm just flipping, flip 545 00:39:00.280 --> 00:39:04.320 and flipping all of a sudden just gray. Oh, must be at the 546 00:39:04.320 --> 00:39:07.840 Commander Masters, Commander Legends, Commander Legends, and I'm like, these are 547 00:39:08.159 --> 00:39:13.840 so terrible. Not only were they gray, they were like taco shells, 548 00:39:14.639 --> 00:39:21.519 but the inconsistency in how gray they are also is cause for concern and complaint. 549 00:39:22.639 --> 00:39:24.960 So I'm flipping through and I'm like Commander Master or A Legends, Legends, 550 00:39:25.000 --> 00:39:28.880 Legends, Legs, Legends, and i get this one taco shell Commander 551 00:39:28.960 --> 00:39:31.800 Legends, and I'm like, huh. Holding up two of them, I'm 552 00:39:31.840 --> 00:39:37.800 like, this one still sucks, but it looks really good compared to this 553 00:39:37.840 --> 00:39:39.320 one. And then you held up next to a real card and you're like, 554 00:39:39.320 --> 00:39:42.519 man, both of these suck. And then I held it up to 555 00:39:42.639 --> 00:39:46.159 yeah Foil from like Onslaught, and I'm like, wow, that was when 556 00:39:46.239 --> 00:39:51.920 Foyle was the shit. Yeah. Anyways, so where else do we go 557 00:39:51.960 --> 00:39:55.000 from here? We've had a couple instances of Dungeons and Dragons sets, which 558 00:39:55.039 --> 00:39:59.960 I know that you're a fan of all of them, sure, but Forgotten 559 00:40:00.079 --> 00:40:06.920 Realms I think much better and more well received than what is it balder Gate 560 00:40:07.400 --> 00:40:13.199 Battle for Boulder's Gate. And I think that's compounded by the fact that Battle 561 00:40:13.239 --> 00:40:19.679 for Boulder's Gate was marketed as Commander Legends two, which was different substantially than 562 00:40:19.840 --> 00:40:23.760 actual Commander Legends. Yes, right, So is that a successful way that 563 00:40:23.800 --> 00:40:28.119 you think that they should do it again and it was just the product that 564 00:40:28.239 --> 00:40:32.159 was bad or was the implementation of Commander Legends to just poor? I think 565 00:40:32.440 --> 00:40:37.760 the answer to that question is yes, and let me tell you why. 566 00:40:37.800 --> 00:40:44.360 The answer right the I think the implementation wasn't the greatest because they basically just 567 00:40:44.400 --> 00:40:47.320 added in a bunch of Commander stuff, increased the price of the packs to 568 00:40:47.840 --> 00:40:52.800 a D and D set, yes, okay, to a Dungeons and Dragons 569 00:40:52.800 --> 00:40:54.440 set. I think that they used the Dungeons and Dragons thing as an afterthought 570 00:40:54.480 --> 00:40:59.800 to try and cash in on one of their outside ips that was successful the 571 00:40:59.800 --> 00:41:04.440 first time. Yes, okay. They were also using it to advertise for 572 00:41:04.480 --> 00:41:07.760 the new boulders Gate game, which is that a thing? Yep, and 573 00:41:07.760 --> 00:41:09.039 everybody's playing it now. Lots of people like it in the nation. I 574 00:41:09.079 --> 00:41:13.199 know that so cool. I haven't played it myself, but the point is 575 00:41:13.239 --> 00:41:17.559 I don't think that the set itself was fantastic. Although I did buy and 576 00:41:17.639 --> 00:41:22.639 open lots of it, I did enjoy the Treasure Hunt aspect of it. 577 00:41:22.840 --> 00:41:24.320 I don't think the set itself was that good. I don't think the implementation 578 00:41:24.400 --> 00:41:30.960 of the Commander Legends of it. Yeah, it didn't feel like a Legend 579 00:41:30.000 --> 00:41:32.559 set in any way, no, right, and it didn't feel like it 580 00:41:32.599 --> 00:41:37.119 was meant to push Commander to the next level. It felt like they were 581 00:41:37.159 --> 00:41:40.440 just trying to I don't even know what they what it felt like they were 582 00:41:40.440 --> 00:41:45.360 trying to do with that particular set, because they immediately released another Master's set 583 00:41:45.440 --> 00:41:47.840 right after that had all the shit that should have been in Balder's Gate in 584 00:41:47.880 --> 00:41:51.480 it. Yeah, well it was like six months after, but it was 585 00:41:51.559 --> 00:41:55.119 like actual Commander Masters where it was like, yeah, Jeweled Lotus was back, 586 00:41:55.159 --> 00:42:00.519 and all of the Commander Andy Warhol things were back, and dock Side 587 00:42:00.519 --> 00:42:07.039 Extortion is Dockside and Fierce Guardianship cycle was back, and it's like, Okay, 588 00:42:07.119 --> 00:42:12.000 you could have put the D and D spin on these cards easily. 589 00:42:12.280 --> 00:42:15.880 You've got lots of very brilliant designers that you pay. I'm sure not enough 590 00:42:16.440 --> 00:42:22.079 because your corporation and your fucking bunch of assholes and let's be Dungeons and Dragons 591 00:42:22.159 --> 00:42:25.519 is it's some deep shit, man, Yeah, you can put the spin 592 00:42:25.599 --> 00:42:30.880 on it, and we combined Commander Legends Masters. Let's call those the same 593 00:42:30.360 --> 00:42:34.800 product slot with your D and D thing that you were trying to hype at 594 00:42:34.840 --> 00:42:38.119 the time. And because I don't know, are they even gonna be able 595 00:42:38.159 --> 00:42:44.159 to go back to Dungeons and Dragons again because of kind of how sort of 596 00:42:44.639 --> 00:42:47.800 botched and cash any balders Gate felt, Oh man, because that's because I 597 00:42:47.840 --> 00:42:52.760 would runch that's a good question. That's one that I will, regardless of 598 00:42:52.800 --> 00:42:55.000 the entire last forty minutes of conversation that we had, if we go back 599 00:42:55.000 --> 00:42:58.960 to the Dungeons and Dragons playing again, I'm going to be excited. Yeah, 600 00:42:58.960 --> 00:43:00.239 and I'm going to buy in, be able to get all the shit 601 00:43:00.480 --> 00:43:06.320 and be so pumped for it just because it's got a a thing that I 602 00:43:06.400 --> 00:43:08.559 like connected it is the D and D thing. But people outside of people 603 00:43:08.639 --> 00:43:12.719 like me might look at that and think, oh man, like Walder's Gate 604 00:43:12.800 --> 00:43:15.440 was for me, Yes, why are the packs next to two bucks? 605 00:43:15.480 --> 00:43:21.960 And that's that's that's the thing that always, that's always the dichotomy that they 606 00:43:22.000 --> 00:43:27.800 play with. That's always the balancing act, right is is some people love 607 00:43:27.960 --> 00:43:34.079 Camagawa and the ancient Japanese art and culture and references. Some people love cyberpunk, 608 00:43:34.559 --> 00:43:37.679 and a lot of the times those people aren't the same people, right. 609 00:43:37.760 --> 00:43:40.800 Some people love Lord of the Rings and know nothing about Doctor Who. 610 00:43:40.920 --> 00:43:46.519 That's me, right, So you're never going to capture everybody. And I 611 00:43:46.559 --> 00:43:52.360 think I think the crux of everything that we're talking about today is we want 612 00:43:53.119 --> 00:44:00.440 and I'll use the word complexity, But I don't mean complex mechanics like yesterday's 613 00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:06.079 Deck Tech trying to demonstrate cascade spells. I don't mean complex rules lawyer minutia, 614 00:44:06.280 --> 00:44:10.480 and I don't mean seven thousand word essays on every single card in the 615 00:44:10.559 --> 00:44:15.360 set. Also, what I mean is complexity. Like when I drink a 616 00:44:15.440 --> 00:44:21.400 fine whiskey, I want to taste different layers. I want a different smell 617 00:44:21.480 --> 00:44:24.920 and a different aftertaste or finish. I want it to be something that I 618 00:44:24.960 --> 00:44:30.199 can enjoy over and over and over again and discover new parts of I want 619 00:44:30.280 --> 00:44:37.719 complexity in my world building storytelling. I want diversity in my art and in 620 00:44:37.199 --> 00:44:45.639 my flavor text and in characters being depicted. I just want it to be 621 00:44:45.719 --> 00:44:52.320 creative and not lazy. I don't want it to be artificially inflated and then 622 00:44:52.599 --> 00:44:54.880 plucked up and then set back down and say, here's your new set. 623 00:44:55.280 --> 00:45:04.000 I want some kind of reinvention and some kind of way to demonstrate complexity just 624 00:45:04.400 --> 00:45:07.840 through the cards, like War of the Spark gave us, like Neon Dynasty 625 00:45:07.880 --> 00:45:15.239 gave us. Yeah, storytelling through cards like Tales from Middle Earth gave us 626 00:45:15.360 --> 00:45:17.119 partly because I know the story, partly because I'm biased because it's my favorite 627 00:45:17.119 --> 00:45:22.679 thing, or what's the most recent in March of the Machines did the same 628 00:45:22.679 --> 00:45:25.039 thing, Like March of the Machines told us the Brother's War. And even 629 00:45:25.079 --> 00:45:29.039 if you didn't know that story, you hadn't read that book or whatever, 630 00:45:29.400 --> 00:45:34.119 you could say, what is March Thechter, what is Brother's War? Like 631 00:45:34.199 --> 00:45:37.159 this is the product? What is it? You google Brothers War MTG, 632 00:45:37.639 --> 00:45:39.760 you get the story on Wikipedia and you can read it in ten minutes, 633 00:45:40.000 --> 00:45:45.280 and it's like, oh, now I know. Culturally, there's some significance 634 00:45:45.719 --> 00:45:50.199 not only to people who play Magic outside of the game, there's some meta 635 00:45:50.280 --> 00:45:57.199 significance. There's also some in world Dominaria and Greater Magic Universe significance to the 636 00:45:57.199 --> 00:46:00.960 Brother's War. Yeah, right, so that's the kind of complexity that I 637 00:46:00.039 --> 00:46:05.599 want, and I don't think that we're gonna get that in a Western theme 638 00:46:05.719 --> 00:46:09.159 set. No, that's gonna be top down trophy shit like Industrade, which 639 00:46:09.199 --> 00:46:14.199 which is great also fucking fantastic. Right, So I can't say that one 640 00:46:14.239 --> 00:46:16.639 is better than the other because they're not, because they're not the same thing. 641 00:46:16.679 --> 00:46:21.920 That's right, I'm saying as a twenty plus year Magic player, I 642 00:46:22.199 --> 00:46:28.159 want complexities, callbacks, reach arounds, things that are like, hey, 643 00:46:28.199 --> 00:46:30.960 this is a reference to this thing, this nugget, this thing, this 644 00:46:31.039 --> 00:46:36.599 is an ability like don't bring Banding back, but bringing Discover back so I 645 00:46:36.599 --> 00:46:39.599 can put it in my Cascade deck. Good. Yes, bringing back the 646 00:46:39.719 --> 00:46:45.599 exact same dinosaur as I saw in Exelon one. It's not as good. 647 00:46:45.119 --> 00:46:49.280 Yeah, So I don't know. How do you feel if it's the same 648 00:46:49.320 --> 00:46:52.960 creature that says draw card on it. Now, it's not you're not doing 649 00:46:52.000 --> 00:46:55.480 anything new. It's it's still a six' five for green green four. 650 00:46:55.800 --> 00:47:00.800 It's the same thing when it dies, draw card, give me one of 651 00:47:00.840 --> 00:47:04.239 those. I'll put it in Lord of trustor it's green, it's green, 652 00:47:04.400 --> 00:47:08.400 you can't, yeh fucking god, I'll put in Calimax. When it dies 653 00:47:08.440 --> 00:47:13.559 draw Card. I think that for me all I'm I'm less in depth with 654 00:47:13.639 --> 00:47:16.320 my thought on it than Ryan's in this particular case, because I'm a very 655 00:47:16.519 --> 00:47:20.480 I like to look at it as this is a thing that's in front of 656 00:47:20.519 --> 00:47:24.800 me and appreciate it for what it is. But I get my back up 657 00:47:24.840 --> 00:47:30.559 a little bit when I feel like the designers have been lazy in the aspect 658 00:47:30.599 --> 00:47:36.239 that and this is it's just me talking. They're not lazy. The perception 659 00:47:36.559 --> 00:47:40.119 through the product is it was lower effort. The stuff that matters to me 660 00:47:40.599 --> 00:47:45.440 feels like there was left effort put into it. And we'll use the Excelon 661 00:47:45.519 --> 00:47:49.480 one again. It's like, here we have all the stuff from first Exelon 662 00:47:50.320 --> 00:47:53.880 again with a beautiful coat of paint, because that's what it had. Like 663 00:47:53.920 --> 00:47:59.679 all of the kind of act was great. There was like the the the 664 00:47:59.800 --> 00:48:01.960 art was cool, the throwbacks were neat. But at the end of the 665 00:48:02.000 --> 00:48:07.880 day, it's just here's dinosaurs and pirates and murph folk and I can never 666 00:48:07.880 --> 00:48:10.320 remember the last one. I don't I don't even care. We've said there's 667 00:48:10.320 --> 00:48:16.079 four things that happened in Nixelon. We've been there, vampires, and I 668 00:48:16.239 --> 00:48:22.360 just it felt like we just did it again. And I hate it when 669 00:48:22.400 --> 00:48:25.320 it feels like we're just doing it again and I'm not. It's not a 670 00:48:25.320 --> 00:48:30.119 cash grab, and it's not like it's not a cash grab because the set 671 00:48:30.280 --> 00:48:37.239 is popular and it has all the things that people love. Murphok Classic Pirates, 672 00:48:37.320 --> 00:48:39.599 something that we've been begging more for, Dinosaur, we've been begging for 673 00:48:39.639 --> 00:48:45.079 more dynasts, begging for vampires because it's one of the most popular creature types. 674 00:48:45.159 --> 00:48:46.559 Yeah, we're begging for it, and they're all there, and it's 675 00:48:46.599 --> 00:48:50.079 like, there's so much stuff to like about it, but it just feels 676 00:48:50.119 --> 00:48:53.239 like, is this is this Uncle Brenda having a first world problem? Absolutely, 677 00:48:53.280 --> 00:48:57.760 it is a luxury cardboard. We're allowed to have first world problems. 678 00:48:57.840 --> 00:49:00.119 This is what it feels like to me. This lost cap of Xcelan would 679 00:49:00.119 --> 00:49:04.880 have fit back in when they used to do the three card or two card 680 00:49:05.000 --> 00:49:12.719 blocks blocks if they did exelon lost Caverns of excel and then like Collision of 681 00:49:12.760 --> 00:49:15.079 the Sun and there'd be the two where the inside sun on the outside sun 682 00:49:15.199 --> 00:49:21.840 lights touch tips everything ship right, Yeah, that cool, But when you 683 00:49:21.920 --> 00:49:25.599 wait three however many years it's been to go back to Xelon. Something on 684 00:49:25.679 --> 00:49:31.119 Exelan should have changed, something significant should have happened there. Yes, and 685 00:49:31.239 --> 00:49:35.719 I don't feel like it did. I see what you're saying. Exelon was 686 00:49:36.119 --> 00:49:38.920 Oh man, here's a time check six years ago. There we go, 687 00:49:39.079 --> 00:49:45.519 like six or five years ago, and that could be decades or centuries in 688 00:49:45.639 --> 00:49:52.079 the story and nothing changed. It's nothing, nothing visibly changed through the cards 689 00:49:52.119 --> 00:49:54.679 telling me what the story. I'm sure if I read the story, lots 690 00:49:54.679 --> 00:49:59.239 has changed. But as somebody who didn't and is not planning to, nothing 691 00:49:59.320 --> 00:50:01.840 changed. It's just it's the same thing. And that's what gets me sometimes, 692 00:50:01.880 --> 00:50:06.480 and that's kind of what gets me to like, oh man, I 693 00:50:06.559 --> 00:50:08.639 like there's cards that I like, and I'm happy people have things that they 694 00:50:08.760 --> 00:50:12.400 like, but I just wish that they had pushed it. I'm not even 695 00:50:12.400 --> 00:50:14.760 sure what they could have done, you know what I mean, Like, 696 00:50:15.000 --> 00:50:16.599 I don't have a suggestion that, well, Brando, how would you? 697 00:50:16.719 --> 00:50:21.679 Yeah, you know what, I don't particularly have necessarily that That's the thing 698 00:50:21.760 --> 00:50:27.639 about Let's say the vampire's criticism and the murfok are rising up and the dinosaurs 699 00:50:27.639 --> 00:50:30.840 have been enslaved, and they're like with a Tolley gone. They don't have 700 00:50:30.880 --> 00:50:37.199 their like spiritual leaders, but there could have been some kind of artistic or 701 00:50:37.320 --> 00:50:42.440 story driven just really simple visual cues you could give on cards that shows this 702 00:50:42.559 --> 00:50:46.960 is a progressed world. We've put time into this and it's progressed, and 703 00:50:47.000 --> 00:50:52.519 I don't feel like we really got that. And when we do criticisms, 704 00:50:52.679 --> 00:50:57.880 we always like to be solution providers, tell yeah, right, like this 705 00:50:58.000 --> 00:51:00.800 is this is a good that they could have to go back to the set 706 00:51:00.800 --> 00:51:06.280 block system. Yeah, okay, man, In this case, I don't 707 00:51:06.320 --> 00:51:08.960 know if we need to provide a potential solution because the set's already out and 708 00:51:09.119 --> 00:51:14.800 it is received well and popular, and we're talking about it under this critical 709 00:51:14.920 --> 00:51:20.039 kind of eye even though we fucking like it. Yeah right, And we 710 00:51:20.280 --> 00:51:22.920 criticize things, you like, that's a thing. Just because I criticize something, 711 00:51:22.920 --> 00:51:25.559 that doesn't mean I don't like it, and I do like excelan I 712 00:51:25.639 --> 00:51:30.719 do. I just wish they had given it a little bit more oomph so 713 00:51:30.760 --> 00:51:36.480 they didn't feel so samesy. That's as a twenty plus year old Magic player, 714 00:51:37.119 --> 00:51:44.800 Magic veteran, you want more complexity, and not complexity in a novel, 715 00:51:45.800 --> 00:51:50.039 but complexity in I want to see a story develop when I play my 716 00:51:50.159 --> 00:51:54.239 cards. I think that that after twenty years is the place where you find 717 00:51:55.000 --> 00:52:00.519 freshness and enjoyment and new when you play, right, Like, I love 718 00:52:00.559 --> 00:52:05.280 the magic novels, they went away, I stopped reading magic stories. There 719 00:52:05.280 --> 00:52:07.920 you go, because I like the novels. So now I rely on the 720 00:52:07.679 --> 00:52:12.599 cards and the stories and the press releases to tell me the story. And 721 00:52:12.639 --> 00:52:15.639 if they don't, I don't know what the story is. Right, And 722 00:52:15.679 --> 00:52:17.719 that again, going back to war the Spark, they did a good job 723 00:52:17.760 --> 00:52:22.880 with that. Right, With this exelon, maybe hey, maybe we're freaking 724 00:52:22.920 --> 00:52:27.400 wrong, and I would be I'm always open to hearing that I'm wrong. 725 00:52:27.519 --> 00:52:31.599 And why, oh yeah, and why if the world has progressed an exelon, 726 00:52:32.440 --> 00:52:36.960 there's the criticism. I like the set and the product, and I 727 00:52:37.119 --> 00:52:40.239 like the creatures and the aesthetic, but they haven't done a good job in 728 00:52:40.320 --> 00:52:45.880 conveying how that world has progressed. Yeah, there it is. And if 729 00:52:45.920 --> 00:52:49.159 you disagree with us, let us know down in the comments after you've slapped 730 00:52:49.159 --> 00:52:52.119 the shit out of the like button. Yeah, drop your Dino dink right 731 00:52:52.199 --> 00:52:54.840 on it. Yeah, that would not be what it would sound like. 732 00:52:54.880 --> 00:52:58.679 It would be more of a thwump, but well, we don't know. 733 00:52:58.719 --> 00:53:01.199 They might have a weird like a flappy one looks like a pterodactyl's wing. 734 00:53:01.400 --> 00:53:05.639 We're like a like a real like front heavy. Oh it has a claw 735 00:53:05.679 --> 00:53:09.039 on the end like a raptor toe yea or a cat? Oh yeah not 736 00:53:09.199 --> 00:53:14.639 good? Yeah? Cats? It and hyenas also have weird ones. Oh 737 00:53:15.239 --> 00:53:17.519 okay, well, speaking of not weird ones, you should be not weird. 738 00:53:17.559 --> 00:53:22.800 Go to Fusion Gaming online dot com. Use any of our promo codes 739 00:53:22.840 --> 00:53:25.360 that can be found in the notes below. Wherever you find the show, 740 00:53:25.559 --> 00:53:30.719 get a discount on the stuff you're gonna buy anyways, save money. Also 741 00:53:30.880 --> 00:53:35.960 check out Sidewalk Slam and hear about Pile of Bones, the second coolest thing 742 00:53:35.960 --> 00:53:38.159 to come out of Regina. And what are we gonna do next week? 743 00:53:38.199 --> 00:53:40.360 Rhyme? What are we gonna do? Are we gonna I'm gonna text some 744 00:53:40.480 --> 00:53:45.320 decks. I've got a deck tech prepared. We're catching up on Doctor Who, 745 00:53:45.360 --> 00:53:49.920 and we're catching up on Exelon stuff because we've been hype training so long. 746 00:53:50.159 --> 00:53:52.840 We've got some classic deck techs coming up from Patreon supporters. If you 747 00:53:52.880 --> 00:53:58.079 want to have your deck tech check out the different levels on Patreon. Pledge 748 00:53:58.079 --> 00:54:00.000 it the appropriate ones, send us a list boom, that's the best way 749 00:54:00.039 --> 00:54:02.119 to get it done, and we'll we'll. I think this one's gonna be 750 00:54:02.239 --> 00:54:07.039 I have a feeling from the title of the deck. It might be Grix's 751 00:54:07.559 --> 00:54:10.920 and it might be me as the player of the deck. Playing your stuff. 752 00:54:12.079 --> 00:54:15.679 OHI is one of my very favorite things deep cut hint, and you're 753 00:54:15.679 --> 00:54:19.719 gonna hear lots about that on the next episode of cook Man or cook Out 754 00:54:19.800 --> 00:54:22.800 Podcast. In our theme song,