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Adventist Radio London inspiration for the song
Welcome the Talking Point with Ray Pedro Angeler

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discussing the hot topics and answering your
questions, Saturdays five to seven pm on

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Adventist Radio London. It's talking Point, it's talking Point, it's talking Point,

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it's talking Point. Conversations you need
to have. Okay, good evening,

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Good evening, and welcome to Talking
Point. It's a oh. It's

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been another long Sabbath afternoon, but
hopefully it's been a good one wherever you

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are. Once again, I thank
you for joining us. If you're out

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there wherever you are, as per
usual, I am joined with my two

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co hosts, Zenya and Pedro,
I want to thank you for joining us

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today. It's going to be an
interest another interesting topic, one that sometimes

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many people don't talk about, as
many of our topics are on Talking Point.

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But together started, we're going to
just start with prayer and get the

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program started. So let's pray.
Oh Bah God, I want to thank

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you for blessing us with another sabbathday. Dear Lord, I want to thank

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you for allowing us to come on
this platform to share a message. We're

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going to talk about another area that
impacts many many people, not only the

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women that go through it, but
also the people around them. I pray,

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Dear Lord that this program will be
informative, somebody will learn something,

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and somebody will definitely be blessed by
it. Thank you, Dear Lord for

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hearing an answering. Amen. Amen, So how are we? Both,

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Senya and Pedro. It's been and
I know I can probably speak for all

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of you because I'm going to say
it's been a really busy week, but

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tell me how has your week been
before I go into mine. Pedro,

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Let's start with you. How many
bals have he clocked up this week?

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Actually, I have not done that
many. It's been in a quiet week

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this week. They've given me a
little bit of a break in the two

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jobs a day. So yeah,
so I'm not being, you know,

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not as bad. But I think
it's because I had a little situation where

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I kind of, yeah, where
I kind of lost my cool little bit.

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So I think they felt maybe I've
been they've been pushing me, so

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they said, maybe need give him
a little break. I know my manager

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she's yeah, she kind of was
like, you know what, he may

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be a little because I was under
the weather with the chest. Colm feeling

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much better now, still get some
cold every now and then in my chest

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passing it on. Now Kaya and
Toy will both have it, so they've

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been coughing a little bit themselves and
making Kaya's asthma act up. But I

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was for that, Yeah, I
kind of a guy, was being patient,

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being a little rules. I told
him to come out and tell me

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to my face. I left it
on his voicemail. Yeah. So as

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soon as I sounds like oh man, I was like, I have to

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call my manager to be like yo, I just said this that he contacted

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my boss, and my boss called
me and yeah, so it was less

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I think when they when I did
that, which is really out of my

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character because I'm really normally cool,
I just let it fall off my back.

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But I think I was like,
not feeling well, and I was

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just like he was just you know, being dis I hainte. One thing

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I don't like is disrespectful people.
Yeah, and he was the person was

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being really disrespectful. So when they
did that, I was just like,

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yo, you know it comes say
that to my face. I was just

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like, what it's fun, Yeah, it's all you know, you know.

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But you know, so it's all
handled though, you know, I

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didn't you know, it was my
first time in two and a half years,

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so I'm allowed to make you know, I'm allowed to make mistakes.

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And it sounds like you probably the
break as well. Yeah, so I

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think they kind of eased up my
work. So I've had a nice you

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know, I have I've had work, but you know, it's been been

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good. So yeah, my son
has been away for a couple of days.

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He went on the residential sports day
something oh the time sleep. Yeah,

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so they took him away for like
three days. He comes back tomorrow,

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Okay, So yeah, so,
uh, it's been weird not having

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extra kid in the house. It
has been kind of yeah, quiet and

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weird. Yeah, but that was
for that. My wig has been been

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you know good, just dealing with
the It has been raining down there.

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It's been off. Yeah, definitely
like porn rain, because it's been porn

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rain up there, like it's cats
and dogs. And because I live in

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the mountains, I've been driving through
fog like every day, like thick fog

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like you cannot like like fog where
you you can't see nothing for like and

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then it comes up when you're like
ten twenty feet away and then it's like

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far and then you can see where
you are, but then maybe fifty feet

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ahead you can't see nothing because it's
nothing but fog because I don't know if

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you guys realize Halifax is actually in
mountains. So yeah, yeah, so

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when you're yeah, like the highest
elevation is actually M sixty two. I

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think at extra twenty two is the
highest elevation, so it's like really up

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there. So it's really when it
gets like ring like this and stuff,

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it just really the clouds is really
coming encompassed the whole area. Oh wow,

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Yeah, No, definitely, we
definitely know some of that summer is

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over. It would appear definitely.
There's a definitely chill in the air,

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so I guess winter is on its
way. So yeah, well does he

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hear that? You're feeling much better
to hear, So that's good. So

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Xanya, how about you? That's
your week been well? I have to

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say that Pedro also gave me his
cold the computer virus. She texted me

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the other day. She said,
I think you gave it to me.

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I think you know you heard you
heard the computer viruses, right, So

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maybe it's a true essence. It's
from a computer virus, It's true.

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So I also have been down with
the old chest direction perhaps just a whole

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load of stuff going on with me, and I'm just grateful for the rest.

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Have been off a few days from
And it's funny, and you were

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talking offline about how we are sometimes
forced to stop. You know, we

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go, we go, we go, We don't even know that we're moving

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a million miles a minute, and
then we just hit a brick wall where

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the body just goes, you know
what. It's time for me to put

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a full stop right about here,
and we just have to stop, rest,

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restock, retake, you know,
refresh even And that's sometimes where we

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are. And like Pedro, you
know, we can kind of go go,

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go go, and then it's our
responsibility more or less to stop ourselves,

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but we we often don't. Yeah, yeah, it's funny. It's

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funny. We talk a lot about
self care and looking after ourselves and sometimes

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and I know I'm guilty of this, and I you know, my job,

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and sometimes I don't practice what I
preach, But sometimes the signs are

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there and we listen to our bodies, but listen to what you know,

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we've been told until as she says, to come down. But definitely we're

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coming into flu season. COVID seems
to be making a big comeback because quite

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a few people have been hit with
that again, so well, increasingly more

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important. I suppose as we go
into the winter and full season to take

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care of ourselves, stock up and
vitamin D and you know, all that

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good stuff that we know we should
do, but perhaps don't take the time

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to do it. And I'm sure
maybe when she does come on can give

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us a little bit morerant that as
Yes, thank sure, this is one

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of these two actually possibly tackles on
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Just we don't as women, maybe
definitely, we definitely don't take the

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care and what we're going to be
talking we're not not not what we're talking

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about. I'm just talking about the
self care, yeah, definitely, But

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I'm just talking about self care and
I'm talking about what we're talk about,

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but I'm talking about in the self
care aspect. Yeah, I'm the one

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I'm doing that. I hate hospital, so yeah, I have to be

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like on my death bed to go
to the doctor. I like that,

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but I have to be really like
really really really really sick to then go

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to I'm not going to the doctor. Well that segues nicely into I guess

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what we've talked a little bit about
today, because I think self care is

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going to be and looking after ourselves
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of this. So October, there's
several things that are celebrating in October.

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Actually obviously Black History Month, and
the theme this year has been celebrating our

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sisters and actually a little bits around
that, but actually we have been featuring

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women who are making a difference and
an impact in their communities and the lives

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of other women. And our two
guests today are definitely doing that as well.

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So we're looking forward to speak to
hearing from them. Got to adopt

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her, but we're talking about menopause. And before a minute, I'm sorry,

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one minute, one second, because
I forgot you said October. You

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know, I just realized, what's
that along with Black History? It was

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my anniversary eighteen year anniversity in October
third so wow, wow y. Yes,

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we never I never even brought it
up, and I don't know why

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I bring it up, But when
you said celebrat I was like, what

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else to be celebrated in October and
then I realized eighteen years baby, So

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yeah, that's amazing. Congratulations,
thank you, thank you. Ooh,

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that's for another that I know.
I know because you tesch celebrations. I

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have to put that out there,
you know, I have to put that

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out there. Get my wife a
shout out, you know, shout out

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to Tara, even though she gets
on my nerves. We're not going to

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go there, Petri. Let's not
We're just celebrating. That's what we can.

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Don't let me train them, you
know. But I guess that was

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segreate quite nicely into what's your podcast
called again here my Marriage? Hear my

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Marriage? So in My Marriage,
which is on Avenger's Radio and then on

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Sundays at four, Sundays at fourth. So yeah, any tips and you

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do by someone have you? Yeah, definitely tune into that. So yeah,

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big up to them. So,
yeah, there's a lot happening in

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October. Mentioned that it's Black History
Month, celebrating our sisters, but it's

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also World Menopause Month, and the
eighteenth of October was World Menopause Day.

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Now that kind of m word like
many I suppose many conditions which you put

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conditions or things that people go through, especially women, are often not really

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spoken about. But I think I
was looking at having looking at some stats

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around this and estimated one point five
million women are going to are going through

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the menopause. It's something that women
will no doubt go through at different stages.

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It's very unique to people, but
it has a major impact on people,

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and it's just definitely one of those
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about. I've had a few conversations
this week with some of my friends,

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and you know, we've had various
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some people are more informed than others, as often as the case.

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But I'm talking, I guessid do
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of an older age, but I
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as much as we're talking about it, and yes, awareness has been raised,

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it's not something that I was talking
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thirties or even my forties. Dare
I say that? Which, you know,

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until I've started to have my own
experiences coming into this, that's become

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at the forefront of my mind.
But it has been a thing that you

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know, there's been a lot more
awareness, and that's part of while we're

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talking about this today, because we
do want to raise awareness and for the

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women that are listening and also the
people that are around them as well,

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because as much as it's something that
women go through, it impacts everybody as

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well, kind of impact everybody as
well. So that's what we're going to

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be talking about today. We've got
a guest on with us today and we'll

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hear a little bit from her a
bit later, but I'm going to welcome

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her now, So welcome Mavis to
the show. Thank you so much for

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joining us, and we will hear
a little bit more from you, but

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say hello to our listeners for us, Hello, thank you for having me

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so much. Thank you. I'm
looking forward to our conversation. Wonderful,

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wonderful. And before we speak to
Maybe, so we're going to hear an

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interview another of our guests that we
spoke to, or Zenya, spoke to

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Dr Bimo, So she's going to
a little bit about her conversation. Then

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we're going to go into some music
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yeah, thank you. We spoke. I think it was last week

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sometime in fact, we spoke on
World Menopause Day Dr Sandra Bino. She

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is the medical director of the Women's
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She's also consultant obstitution gynocologists there's a
big words got them out and certified menopause

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specialist. Yeah, we had a
wonderful conversation. She came from a doctor's

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perspective, from a mother's perspective,
from perspective of someone who has been through

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menopause herself, so full of knowledge. She trained in the UK and so

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she has that overview, oversight,
but she returned to the Caribbean. I

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think she just got a bit frustrated
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shopped and went to the Caribbean.
But what she has done there is just

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introduced her Islanders to the concept of
having a menopause clinic where women can talk

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about the issue, women can get
support for the issue. Because, and

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as she mentions it in the actual
interview, we don't talk enough. We

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don't talk enough here, and we
certainly don't talk enough about menopause. And

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she, you know, she's pioneering
and blazing a trail here. So just

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kudos to her. And yeah,
that's kind of in a nutshell what we

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shared a full sort of hour's worth
of conversation. Cool. Okay, So

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looking forward to hearing that. We'll
hear from Dr Bno and Zim. Yeah,

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greetings, Dr Viner. Thank you
so much for taking the time to

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speak with me today. I know
you've got an extremely busy schedule. Thank

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you for joining me on Talking Point. It's a program that we welcome do

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every week. We try to do
every week on several topics, and menopause

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being the topic in question today.
Happy well Menopause Day. To you,

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Thank you, to you, Thank
you for inviting meer great. I know

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this conversation has been sort of weeks
months in the making, and obviously nothing

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happens before it's time. And I
think today is perfect. We're Menopause Day,

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and we're in the midst of Menopause
Awareness Month October. And of course

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this is a very tricky subject to
maneuver for most women. It is an

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issue that needs to be on the
front burner because it is impacting our so

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many and so many feel that they
need to be silent about it. And

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that's unfortunate because the more we speak
up, that's the brilliance of awareness days.

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The more we speak up, the
more people are aware, the more

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that can be done for people who
are struggling, and of course for people

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who are supporting persons who are struggling
struggling. So I mean khodoes to you

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and all those who sort of make
this a prominent topic and who are in

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the on the front line as it
were. So yeah, thank you for

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sitting with me today on this.
Now I know you're Inbatos. I can.

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I can just about see the sun
beating on the wall, and I'm

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extremely jealous. When I look up
my window. It's rainy, it's gray,

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it's cold, and there and there
it lies all of the reasons.

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Yeah, Barbados is gorgeous. What
can I say? Yea Barbatos is gorgeous.

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I am I'm jealous already. I'm
sitting on the patio. If I

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turned the camera in the cee the
ocean and I can hear the birds and

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it's beautiful, Oh lovely, lovely. Yes, this is this is This

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is Caribbean life. And I don't
know why. Every time I look at

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the window and andys like these,
I think, why enough, Why am

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I here? Tell me? Tell
me somebody please, and I asked myself

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that for many years there was no
justifiable asser anymore. So my wife,

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I love the UK, but Barbados
is where my heart is. All right.

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Well that brings us lastly to talking
a little bit about you, where

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you hail from, perhaps as far
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sort of what led you into medicine, and then sort of finally what led

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you into menopause as your area of
expertise. Tell our listeners a little bit,

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I give your condense Virgin. Yeah, so I grew up in.

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I grew up in Barbadoes. I
hope you can hear the Barbados. Yes,

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I can know I have a British
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I grew grew up in Barbadoes.
I I've always wanted to be adopted.

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That has always been my passion.
I am always been fascinated by the human

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body. So I've always knew.
When I was a very young girl,

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maybe ten eleven twelve, I always
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didn't know what type of daughter I
wanted to become as yet my new medicine

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with my calling. So I went
to the University of the rest in days

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in the Caribbean and I did my
undergraduate training to become a medical doctor.

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During my undergraduate training, we rotate
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rotate through different specialties and you get
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upset to and gynecology, so you
kind of get a feel for everything and

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you know kind of know where you
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I belong. So in my third
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upset to its in gynecology rotation and
I absolutely loved it. I love working

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with women. I love empowered women
about their minds and bodies and spirit.

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I just I just loved it.
And I quickly realized that this was that

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this was the field for me.
You know, I would leave the hospital

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like one o'clock, two o'clock in
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was a specialty that I didn't mind
being there for. So I had that,

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so I had the advantage of knowing
exactly what I wanted to do when

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I finished my undergraduate degree. So
I moved directly to the UK afterwards and

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I trained in South London Deanery.
I did mine, not what I want

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to score your Completion CCT Certificate of
Completion of Special Specialist Training. In two

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thousand and eleven, I got that
certificate and I became a consultant in the

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UK. I was actually a consultant
in the NHS from twenty twelve to two

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tenty eighteen. So you just missed, frankfully, I had just missed the

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pandemic and perfectly time. I was
a consultant that directly possible Kent And then,

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like I said, I have loved
London. I've had a love hate

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relationship with London. But the weather
that I cann't do anymore. Wh I'm

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a caribbeane. I'm a Caribe Okay, I just with the best in the

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world. I had everything going for
me in lovely consultant, your lovely life

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in London. But I just missed
Barbadoes so much, so I moved back

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to Barbadoes. But I'm I'm digressing
how I became involved in menopause When I

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became a consultant in the NHL.
I realized from my secretary I was getting

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so many refrals about menopause or health. So I said to my secretary,

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why why am I getting all offers? I'm not going to sell to some

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of the other consultants, and she
said to me, they don't like to

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see them, so you're you're the
newbie consultant, so you're going to get

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them, okay. And then I
talked to myself, well, if I'm

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going to be seeing these women,
I must educate myself and how to take

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care of them. So I started
going on courses funded by the British Menopause

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Society. I started attendant clinics all
over the UK. Some of my consultant

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colleagues were already menopause specialists, so
I trained on the them and then fast

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forward years later, after my returned
to Barbados, I did a certification to

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become a menopause specialist with the North
American Menopause Society in the US. So

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that was my journey to becoming a
menopause specialist. And what I realized from

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looking after these women was menopause encompass
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mental health and your spiritual health.
And whereas that was what my colleagues were

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running away from, that was what
I gravitated to. I liked the holistic

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way of looking after women. So
that's my journey to become a menopause and

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my journey back to Barbados. So
when I moved back home, I opened

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my upside gechecology practice with a dedicated
menopause clinic. Yes, and I think

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that's where we found you. I
believe there was a fire circulating some point

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and I don't even remember why I
have, but I mean, I believe

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in divine connections, and that fly
came through to me and I thought,

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well, let's see if we can
get you on. And of course we

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were looking from an international perspective,
not knowing then that you had UK experience

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and training, but you were just
wondering, you know, is there is

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there any sort of links, similarities, et cetera. And there you go.

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You've started here. So you can
speak to that, but also speak

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to what those similarities may be in
the Caribbean for people who are struggling and

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sort of facing if not even struggling, facing money. Pause. So that's

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actually I don't I don't like.
I don't like the words to struggle,

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Yes, challenges, Yes, similarity, the similarities. What can I say?

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I find women in the UK are
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women tend to be more closed off. It's like I give you an example.

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pause clinic, my client would present

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they would they would say, God, it's being very dry down there and

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sex is very painful, and they
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whereas in my Caribbeane clinic, regardless
of ethnicity, they never tell me

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that they had They ever tell me
that I have to. This normally comes

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after maybe about twenty five minutes for
the consultation because menopositical consultations and are longer

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than your average and consultation because you
kind of you have to develop a wrap

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war and go on with your patient
so that they're comfortable. So I find

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Caribbean women, even after you've developed
that rapport, they still not share.

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You then have to kind of drag
it from them to say, so,

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how is sex and then they will
say what what set? And I would

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say, well, it's is there
something that's stopping you from upsets? And

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they will say, well, that's
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That's the difference between my Caribbean population
and the UK population, the degree

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of openness, the degree of sharing. Yeah, I mean I'm only hadzing

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I guess I from the fact that
because we are a very small community in

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the Caribbean, I know for other
topics, and it may very well apply

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to menopause. Because we're such a
pat knit community, we're very reluctant to

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be open because we feel we're leaving
our business outdoors. And I mean,

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obviously it doesn't apply in this sense
specifically because of the confidentiality that you will

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share with them. But I don't
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we just we don't want to share, we don't want to tell everything is

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hunky dory, and then we deal
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that's unfortunate because as I said at
the top, we really do need to

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talk about these things because the only
way we're going to get through it is

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if we are aware and we're informed, you know. So that's that's an

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interesting It's definitely a cultural thing,
and I think that because it's not it's

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not even a color thing, because
it's across the board with my different colorations

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in Barbados. It is a cultural
thing. It's ingrain and how we were

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raised in the Caribbean, and there
needs to almost needs to be a paradigm

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shift. We need to talk more
because we need to share with our children

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as well, you know. So
yeah, there needs to be a paradigm

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shift in how we communicate. Yes, and we'll touch on that as well,

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because not only our women dealing with
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our women, so our brothers,
our fathers, our uncles, our you

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know, employers, our children,
our children, everybody needs to be on

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board because it's going to be a
journey that we all need to be on

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board with. And so yes,
that that's an excellent term analogy. Let's

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peddle back for a second. And
for the those who I can't imagine that

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there'll be any listener who doesn't know, but for the benefit of those who

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don't who may have false conceptions about
what menopause is, because to be honest,

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that was me a few years ago. I'm aging nicely, but what

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exactly menopause? You don't really pay
attention till it's that time, you know.

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And for me, menopause was something
that happened to unhealthy women, old

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women. Menopause was something that only
happened to specific few and it didn't apply

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to all. And so there are
several menopause is only a hot flash issue.

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You know, I didn't understand that
menopause can impact so many aspects of

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your life. So let's let's debunk
the myths. Let's talk honestly, what

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exactly is menopause and what symptoms does
someone look out for to know that they

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are menopausal? Or is it perry
menopausal? So let's let's talk. Let's

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go back to basics and talk about
that. So back to basics. So

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what is menopause? Menopause is a
retrospective diagnosis, So the diagnosis of menopause

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can only be made after you've missed
twelve consecutive periods. That's when you're doing

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menopausal. Okay, if you've made
six periods and then your period come back,

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that's not menopause. It has to
be twelve consecutive periods. Right.

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Peri menopausal can start as early as
in your mid to late thirties. Some

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women can start having symptoms they still
having periods, so for that reason,

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they're peri menopausal. They may have
skipped at least they may have skipped three

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periods six speriens. But like I
said, if you haven't skipped twelve,

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you are still peri menopausal. So
by definition, I can skip eleven,

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but if it comes on the twelfth
month, I'm still you're still peri menopause.

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And the reason that definition is quite
important, Dan is because there's something

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called post menopause with bleeding, which
has consequences. So whenever you see your

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gynecologist and you present your fleeting,
they're going to be really insistent at pinning

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down when it was your last period. And there's a particular reason for that.

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If your last period was six months
ago, we're not as worried as

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we are if your last period was
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Okay, so that's important. So
to recap perimenopause. You can have severe

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menopausal symptoms, but you're still having
periods, and this can start as early

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as in your mid thirties menopause.
Your periods have stopped in twelve months.

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Right now, what are the symptoms
of menopause? I see a lot of

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women in the clinic saying menopause.
I had no symptoms. I just sailed

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right through that. Now, menopause
is a very individual thing. Every woman

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experienced menopause in their own way.
Menopause has emotional, physical, and mental

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components. So you have your physical
manifestations, but whatever you're going through at

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that time of your menopause will impact
on your physical symptoms. For example,

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a lot of women are cares for
their elderly relatives. That is, especially

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with dementia et cetera. That is, that's very trying, and that impacts

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on that lady's menopausal health as well. So everyone's I share this to say

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that everyone's perception and realities of their
own menopause is individual to them. Some

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women's menopause manifests as hot flushes,
night sweats, anxiety. Some women don't

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get that. Some women's menopause manifests
as brain fag and ability to concentrate and

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and panic attacks. But it's still
menopause, it's just different symptoms. Some

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women get decrease libido. Some women's
libido increases, you know, and they

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come in the clinic, what's wrong
with me? All of my friends libido

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is decreasing, and I just want
to upset all of the time. You

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know, you have to reassure them
that there's nothing wrong with you, that's

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okay, to embrace your life.
Right what at what point, Because you're

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saying it's after the fact that I
then go to the GP or I then

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let the diagnosis. At what point
do I go to the GP? Is

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it once I see these symptoms impacting
my everyday life, because as you said,

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some people sail through, and I
hope I sail through. But is

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there such a thing as sailing completely
through menopause? I deal with that first,

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Danyea for someone in there, it's
such a thing as sailing true menopause.

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But so let's discuss what's happening in
our bodies and menopause so we can

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get the best better understanding. So
women's reproductive organs. We have a uters

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which carries the babies, and we
have two ovaries on either side which produces

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or hormone estrogen and progestogen. Now, the average age of menopause is fifty

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one, so around this time the
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start to produce the best estrogen.
So this, this decline in estrogen,

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is what's responsible for our menopause.
So basically what is happening is women are

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now living longer than they did in
the nineteen hundred. Absolutely, in nineteen

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forty eight, we are living the
way in the nineteen hundreds. Menopausal symptoms

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wouldn't have been a huge problem because
we weren't around. So basically what's happening.

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We're all living ovaries mm hm.
We are living a longer life and

406
00:32:02.000 --> 00:32:06.279
we're outliving not always. So I
always say to women, you have a

407
00:32:06.359 --> 00:32:12.079
choice to make if you're suffering,
how do you want how do you choose

408
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to live your life the rest of
the life that you have on deserve?

409
00:32:16.519 --> 00:32:22.400
Do you want to spend it living
in anxiety and fear or do you want

410
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quality of life? And it's a
choice I can't make for you as a

411
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clinician. There are lots of programs
about going on hormones, and I can't

412
00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:36.680
make that decision, but I guide
my clients into making that. So.

413
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The average age of menopause is fifty
one. However, not a myph is

414
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menopause can happen early. There's a
premature or very insufficiency or premature or menopause

415
00:32:49.039 --> 00:32:52.480
as it used to be called.
And this can happen my young decertetion.

416
00:32:52.640 --> 00:32:54.759
I just said this on a program
this morning. My young detasi is seventeen.

417
00:32:55.559 --> 00:33:00.599
Yes, so premature stuffs can happen, can happen as young as seventeen.

418
00:33:00.640 --> 00:33:05.559
I have another patient who I just
interviewed recently, who is twenty six.

419
00:33:06.400 --> 00:33:09.839
So I have a colleagune that was
twenty six twenty seven, and she's

420
00:33:10.079 --> 00:33:15.480
sort of blogged her journey through menopause, and we were like, huh again,

421
00:33:15.640 --> 00:33:21.000
you know, sort of busting that
myth for preconceptions that we have that

422
00:33:21.079 --> 00:33:27.000
it's only for our elders though it's
only for whenever, just for grandmothers.

423
00:33:27.000 --> 00:33:30.400
That's what people think. You know, you're too young. So whenever I

424
00:33:30.440 --> 00:33:34.480
give seminaris of conferences, you know, I would say, what's your view

425
00:33:34.519 --> 00:33:37.480
on what a menopause a woman looks
like? They would all say the grandmother,

426
00:33:37.720 --> 00:33:39.400
you know, And I would say, well, what if I say

427
00:33:39.480 --> 00:33:44.480
to you that I'm menopause it I'm
on hormone therapy, you know, what

428
00:33:44.519 --> 00:33:47.640
would you think? And they say
never. But it's just the more we

429
00:33:47.799 --> 00:33:52.960
the more conversations we have like this, and the more we break the taboo,

430
00:33:53.400 --> 00:33:58.119
the more we're open to discussing,
and I think more help we can

431
00:33:58.200 --> 00:34:02.519
give you two women in that.
So to summarize, menopause can happen at

432
00:34:02.559 --> 00:34:07.720
any age. It's not an old
woman's illness. It affects families. It

433
00:34:07.759 --> 00:34:10.239
doesn't only affect a woman, so
it's not only a woman's problem. The

434
00:34:10.320 --> 00:34:15.039
average age is fifty one. Now
it occurs when it occurs much early Black

435
00:34:15.039 --> 00:34:20.960
women around the age of forty.
You can't have premature over and insufficiency,

436
00:34:21.320 --> 00:34:25.880
which can happen as early as in
your teenage. And at that point,

437
00:34:25.519 --> 00:34:30.079
if if you see that something is
wrong, as you said, there's so

438
00:34:30.119 --> 00:34:35.639
many there are maybe symptoms, whether
it's you know, brain fog or or

439
00:34:35.800 --> 00:34:39.639
you've got hot flushes or hot flushes, whatever it may be. And if

440
00:34:39.679 --> 00:34:46.119
you see that these symptoms are persisting, then go to the doctor and speak

441
00:34:46.159 --> 00:34:51.920
candidly about what you're going through so
that you can be sort of advised.

442
00:34:54.320 --> 00:34:59.079
Yeah, in the UK now we're
advocating and every woman around the age of

443
00:34:59.079 --> 00:35:05.760
forty has a menopause consultation. I
think that's a brilliant initiative. I'm trying

444
00:35:05.800 --> 00:35:10.719
to I'm trying to also initiate that
here in the Caribbean because women don't know,

445
00:35:10.840 --> 00:35:15.519
they don't understand what's happening to their
bodies. And if you don't understand,

446
00:35:15.599 --> 00:35:19.840
your may think that you're going crazy. I've had quite a few women

447
00:35:19.840 --> 00:35:24.719
in my menopause clinic. Ooh,
and therese are educated women. I remember

448
00:35:24.760 --> 00:35:30.480
I gave a seminar every year,
every warm menopause, for War Menopause Months

449
00:35:30.480 --> 00:35:35.159
celebrations, we gave an annual semer
done this is the last seven years,

450
00:35:35.679 --> 00:35:37.719
and I remember I gave it the
top. You're not going mad, You're

451
00:35:37.719 --> 00:35:40.800
not going crazy, and you're not
alone. That was the title of the

452
00:35:40.880 --> 00:35:45.840
segment. And after that I saw
quite a few women and like I said,

453
00:35:45.880 --> 00:35:50.239
he'd a very educated woman who said
to me, I was so scared

454
00:35:50.280 --> 00:35:53.599
to come forward because I thought I
was again all zimers. I thought I

455
00:35:53.760 --> 00:35:59.239
was going I was getting dementia.
And they just kept it to themselves.

456
00:35:59.239 --> 00:36:04.199
I said, so you didn't tell
your GP, didn't share anything anything.

457
00:36:04.519 --> 00:36:07.320
And like I said to you that
it is a very educated women. So

458
00:36:07.360 --> 00:36:12.360
the very educated women are having this
dilemma. I'm not sure what's happening to

459
00:36:12.400 --> 00:36:15.840
their bodies. What's happening to the
women who were less educated, who don't

460
00:36:15.960 --> 00:36:21.639
understand even less about their bodies.
That's that's it, and we've said it

461
00:36:21.639 --> 00:36:24.880
before, and I think it's worth
reiterating. That is importance of World Manipause's

462
00:36:24.920 --> 00:36:31.280
Day, Menopause Awareness Month again is
to push these conversations and not only on

463
00:36:31.679 --> 00:36:36.280
you know, the nineteenth or the
eighteenth of October, but to have these

464
00:36:36.320 --> 00:36:40.960
conversations constantly, and to engage with
your GP, your counselors, your you

465
00:36:42.000 --> 00:36:45.880
know, your entire support network,
just to ensure that you're getting the right

466
00:36:45.000 --> 00:36:50.119
guidance and the right support through this
phase of your life. And it is

467
00:36:50.159 --> 00:36:52.719
a phase of life, isn't it. I remember talking to my colleague and

468
00:36:52.719 --> 00:36:54.760
I was saying, you know what, women, I don't know if we

469
00:36:54.880 --> 00:36:59.079
just drew the shortest state. But
as soon as we get our handle on

470
00:36:59.079 --> 00:37:05.679
one, so it's people just about
getting underground this we've got, We've got

471
00:37:05.840 --> 00:37:09.360
enough thing to get a handle and
as soon as we get handle that here

472
00:37:09.360 --> 00:37:13.679
it comes very minopause and then you
know, it's just it just seems that

473
00:37:13.719 --> 00:37:17.719
we just we're constantly shifting. The
goal post is constantly moving. But it's

474
00:37:17.800 --> 00:37:21.719
important, as you said, to
have the conversations, to have a good

475
00:37:21.760 --> 00:37:25.000
support network and then you know,
get through it. As you said as

476
00:37:25.000 --> 00:37:30.920
well, about living your best life
no matter what, there are tools to

477
00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:35.920
be able to do so. So
that's me and I. We haven't this

478
00:37:36.079 --> 00:37:43.639
job for sure. The menopause years
can be the most beautiful years of your

479
00:37:43.639 --> 00:37:46.599
life. And I can testify to
that. You know, I'm fifty two

480
00:37:46.840 --> 00:37:54.079
and this is the happiest, This
is the healthiest of help because for me,

481
00:37:54.159 --> 00:37:57.639
this is how I look at menopause. It's a time of resetting.

482
00:37:58.039 --> 00:38:01.840
Mm hmm. It's the time of
the cannot where are you in your life

483
00:38:01.880 --> 00:38:07.440
now? Right? No, it's
the time of asking yourself, well,

484
00:38:07.400 --> 00:38:12.719
I now have less years ahead of
me than I've had before. What do

485
00:38:12.800 --> 00:38:15.440
I want for the next phase of
my life? And see what comes up

486
00:38:15.480 --> 00:38:21.480
for you. So it's a time
of reflection and it can be the best

487
00:38:21.519 --> 00:38:23.679
time for your lives. And that's
what I try to teach women in the

488
00:38:23.719 --> 00:38:28.960
menopause, and it happens. I
see women just this month, I've seen

489
00:38:29.800 --> 00:38:32.400
women just turn the corner and they're
happy. They're so size, and they

490
00:38:32.519 --> 00:38:37.360
eating well. Some of them are
hormones. Everyone is going hormones. But

491
00:38:37.400 --> 00:38:39.800
it's just so nice to see women
turn their lives around because it's possible.

492
00:38:42.320 --> 00:38:46.280
But you have to choose to live. You have to make that choice to

493
00:38:46.519 --> 00:38:51.400
live. This choice far too as
far as choice, far too many women

494
00:38:51.559 --> 00:38:53.480
take. In the past. Menopause
used to be known to any of the

495
00:38:53.599 --> 00:39:00.599
change of life. Far too many
women take these three words literally. Everything

496
00:39:00.679 --> 00:39:06.360
must change, how they dress,
how they feel, live, nothing needs

497
00:39:06.400 --> 00:39:10.639
to change, you know, Embrace
life, carry on because with your life

498
00:39:10.639 --> 00:39:17.280
if you enjoyed it perfect And I
think that brings us nicely into the next

499
00:39:17.400 --> 00:39:25.320
segment. We're talking about living our
best lives even through menopause. What are

500
00:39:25.360 --> 00:39:30.719
some of the things that we've got
to do to be able to do that?

501
00:39:30.880 --> 00:39:35.239
Is it a whole lifestyle change?
I know there's a lot of talk

502
00:39:35.960 --> 00:39:39.519
about hormonal therapy. What are some
of the things that we must do as

503
00:39:39.599 --> 00:39:45.480
women to ensure that we navigate this
space. Well, I'm in a really

504
00:39:45.480 --> 00:39:52.119
good position to answer that now because
I've just this the next three moms,

505
00:39:52.159 --> 00:39:57.400
I'm interviewing some of my older pleasures, and I've just done an interview with

506
00:39:57.480 --> 00:40:01.199
one of my oldest patients who on
hr She's eighty six year as a woman,

507
00:40:01.280 --> 00:40:07.679
she's she's been on HRT from age
fifty one. Yeah, so that

508
00:40:07.679 --> 00:40:12.840
I can't live they can't live without
it. It's like a don't take it

509
00:40:12.880 --> 00:40:16.000
away, don't take it away.
Yes, correct, So she's eighty six

510
00:40:16.199 --> 00:40:22.679
and her per video will be posted
to our social media pages of Women's Holistic

511
00:40:22.679 --> 00:40:25.280
Health Center. Now, I've also
interviewed a eighty two year old who's not

512
00:40:25.360 --> 00:40:29.119
on HRCH. So HRG is on
a pre requisite. Just let me be

513
00:40:29.159 --> 00:40:34.280
clear. But from the interviews,
what I'm seeing is a prerequisite is your

514
00:40:34.320 --> 00:40:40.119
family life. A strong family life, strong support system, and family life

515
00:40:40.119 --> 00:40:45.000
doesn't have to be a husband.
Women, get right, bug and I

516
00:40:45.039 --> 00:40:46.920
don't have a husband. I don't. You don't have a husband. That's

517
00:40:46.960 --> 00:40:52.159
okay. But you have friends,
you have siblings, you have you know,

518
00:40:52.280 --> 00:40:57.719
use what you have. You have
support network and good support network.

519
00:40:58.960 --> 00:41:01.920
So want of advice? Another lady
said, don't take yourself so seriously.

520
00:41:02.239 --> 00:41:08.199
Don't take life so seriously. Have
a good sense of have a good sense

521
00:41:08.239 --> 00:41:19.320
of humor and nutrition, be careful
of what you put into your body.

522
00:41:20.159 --> 00:41:24.079
Exercise my eighty six, your patient
exercises three days a week with a personal

523
00:41:24.119 --> 00:41:28.360
trainer. I can't even get my
fifty year old patient to do this.

524
00:41:29.320 --> 00:41:37.559
I'm shrinking in my seat. Are
you guilty of that? Exercise is the

525
00:41:37.559 --> 00:41:42.960
best gift women can give themselves.
And I'm not alver exaggerating when I say,

526
00:41:43.079 --> 00:41:47.719
Wow, everything that happens to our
bodies in menopause. Exercise can help

527
00:41:47.760 --> 00:41:52.599
with so during our menopause years,
because of the decline and estrogen, we

528
00:41:52.639 --> 00:41:59.880
are more predisposed to dementia, We're
more predisposed to cardiovascar disease, and we're

529
00:42:00.119 --> 00:42:07.079
pretty disposed to ask your prosis,
exercise comeback or for your fields. So

530
00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:09.639
I get a bit upset when women
come into the clinic in this. You

531
00:42:09.639 --> 00:42:13.280
know they don't want hormones, they
don't, but they don't want to do

532
00:42:13.320 --> 00:42:15.840
anything outside, and they don't want
to exercise, they don't want to eat

533
00:42:15.880 --> 00:42:21.960
healthy. So it's all a choice. It's all a choice, and you

534
00:42:22.039 --> 00:42:27.639
get what you put into it.
That's it. Do I sorry, Do

535
00:42:27.760 --> 00:42:31.280
I try the others first? You
said, ho, hormonal therapy, it's

536
00:42:31.320 --> 00:42:36.400
not a prerequisite. But at what
point do I then decide or would you

537
00:42:36.440 --> 00:42:39.760
recommend that? Is it after I've
tried sort of change of diet, change

538
00:42:39.760 --> 00:42:45.159
and exercise routine or whatever it may
be, and I'm still seeing that I

539
00:42:45.199 --> 00:42:49.679
need additional help? At what point
it's all your Yeah, it's all your

540
00:42:49.760 --> 00:42:52.880
choice and it all comes down to
you. You can start it right away

541
00:42:52.920 --> 00:42:55.840
in the clinic. So how are
we training in the UK? How dogs

542
00:42:57.000 --> 00:43:04.280
trained centered care. We are there
to give the risk and the benefits,

543
00:43:04.559 --> 00:43:08.960
and you decide how you want to
do this. And right blunt with my

544
00:43:09.039 --> 00:43:14.280
patients, say you're coming. Your
symptoms are very severe. You suffering if

545
00:43:14.320 --> 00:43:19.639
anxiety, palpitations, your heart is
raising, you haven't panic attacks, you

546
00:43:19.719 --> 00:43:22.280
know functioning that work. You're having
hot sweats and night sweats, and you're

547
00:43:22.280 --> 00:43:27.760
not sleeping. But these are very
severe menopausal symptoms. So yes, I

548
00:43:27.800 --> 00:43:34.840
can start with lifestyle modifications, which
is, if you take caffeine, stop

549
00:43:34.920 --> 00:43:38.000
that, If wine we can take
that. Anything that's triggering your hot flushes

550
00:43:38.039 --> 00:43:45.440
we can stop. We would also
work on your smoking, your alcohol,

551
00:43:45.559 --> 00:43:51.000
your weight. These are the lifestyle
changes that we can institute. We can

552
00:43:51.039 --> 00:43:55.760
also start herbs. There's black cohort, there is red clover. Their stage

553
00:43:57.400 --> 00:44:02.320
down. Hey, there also a
route called back up, which is excellent.

554
00:44:02.519 --> 00:44:06.719
So these are all things that we
can start. But I'd be very

555
00:44:06.800 --> 00:44:12.000
blunt and say that these only take
you to a certain point. Okay,

556
00:44:13.800 --> 00:44:17.960
these will maybe just take the edge
of your symptoms. Your body is losing

557
00:44:19.159 --> 00:44:25.480
estrogen. What your body needs to
feel better is estrogen. However, if

558
00:44:25.679 --> 00:44:30.599
you're reluctant to take estua, we
can do all of these things, okay,

559
00:44:30.320 --> 00:44:36.880
we also get we also develop our
exercise training program free where you can

560
00:44:36.920 --> 00:44:43.400
do this stuff which you should be
exercising. You should have a program which

561
00:44:44.199 --> 00:44:50.000
incorperates cardio at least twice a week
because in the menopausal age women focus on

562
00:44:50.079 --> 00:44:52.960
cardio a lot. But cardio is
not what you need at this age and

563
00:44:52.000 --> 00:44:55.599
the menopause. What you need is
to build muscles, right because you need

564
00:44:55.639 --> 00:45:00.199
weights, So weights and resistance training
and what's going to be best for you

565
00:45:00.280 --> 00:45:05.280
at this age group. But two
often women just focus on carelier to treadmill

566
00:45:05.480 --> 00:45:13.280
spin. That's not going to help
as much as those are the lifestyle.

567
00:45:13.519 --> 00:45:19.599
Those are the lifestyle modification that's come
to the port of therapy. Hormone therapy

568
00:45:19.639 --> 00:45:23.840
before two thousand and two was widely
available to all women in the UK and

569
00:45:23.880 --> 00:45:28.480
the US. I can still remember
in two thousand and two, I was

570
00:45:28.480 --> 00:45:31.679
an Assagho. I was a junior
doctor in Dark Valley as well. Actually

571
00:45:31.760 --> 00:45:37.719
I was. I was a message
then and we all got this leaflet from

572
00:45:37.760 --> 00:45:44.079
the NHR in the UK saying that
we can no longer prescribe HRT because HRT

573
00:45:44.360 --> 00:45:46.960
has been proven to increase the risk
of breast cancer, increase the risk of

574
00:45:47.000 --> 00:45:53.079
earlier vast disease, And it was
just this horrible drug and just overnight switch

575
00:45:53.159 --> 00:45:59.400
everything just switched off and inscriptions just
went down. That was in two thousand

576
00:45:59.400 --> 00:46:02.440
and two, and this study was
called a Woman's Health Initiative Study, and

577
00:46:02.480 --> 00:46:07.280
I remember it was splashed all across
the times of the Guardian. I remember

578
00:46:07.519 --> 00:46:13.639
vividly HRT is this horrible drug.
The study was so early because HRT increases

579
00:46:13.679 --> 00:46:17.960
the risk of heart attacks, et
cetera. And I do remember there were

580
00:46:19.079 --> 00:46:25.199
few diehard star wars who continue their
men and it's regardless. I specifically I

581
00:46:25.239 --> 00:46:30.360
remember at King's not a white head. He just he continued his man and

582
00:46:30.679 --> 00:46:37.119
continued. So there were people who
realized that this study was at the end

583
00:46:37.159 --> 00:46:42.119
all in real. But now twenty
two years later, twenty one years later,

584
00:46:42.960 --> 00:46:50.199
this trial has walked back on nearly
everything there said. The researchers have

585
00:46:50.360 --> 00:47:00.400
apologized for putting the so much fear
into women and women yeah, and making

586
00:47:00.440 --> 00:47:07.920
women fear such fear their own hormones. So it's been a journey trying to

587
00:47:08.400 --> 00:47:14.599
encourage women to say that HRD is
not as bad as you talk it was.

588
00:47:14.800 --> 00:47:19.119
It's not what was sold to you. Okay. For instance, obesity

589
00:47:19.840 --> 00:47:27.000
carries more risk of breast cancer than
char T. H Okay, having a

590
00:47:27.039 --> 00:47:32.800
glass of wine every night carries more
risk than a churchy. Oh dear,

591
00:47:35.199 --> 00:47:37.400
Yes, And there there's the there's
so many myths about hr T. So

592
00:47:37.920 --> 00:47:43.880
char T is estrogen, progestogen,
and testosterone. You may not need a

593
00:47:44.039 --> 00:47:47.840
tree, okay, if you don't
have a uterist, you just need a

594
00:47:47.960 --> 00:47:55.920
estrogen unless you have indometrial in no
matriosis history of indometriosis, then you will

595
00:47:55.960 --> 00:48:04.079
need progestogen as well. Now,
the benefits of estrogen only therapy, if

596
00:48:04.119 --> 00:48:07.320
believe it or not, estrogen only
therapy has been shown to decrease your risk

597
00:48:07.360 --> 00:48:13.559
of breast cancer, not increase your
risk of breast cancer. But women don't

598
00:48:13.599 --> 00:48:21.360
know switch what was told. Women
don't know that, so women and then

599
00:48:22.559 --> 00:48:24.440
women are just being told by their
daughters, no, you're not having that,

600
00:48:24.519 --> 00:48:30.119
So they're not they're not being given
a discussion. What I say to

601
00:48:30.199 --> 00:48:34.719
women is, when you go to
your health care practitioner, do your research

602
00:48:35.679 --> 00:48:38.079
and go to have a conversation.
Don't I anyone just shut you down.

603
00:48:38.960 --> 00:48:44.119
You were there to advocate for yourself
when advocate for what you want. If

604
00:48:44.119 --> 00:48:49.480
the doctors against the HRT, let
them tell you why. And if you

605
00:48:49.559 --> 00:48:52.960
want the hr T and they're not
willing to give it to you, they

606
00:48:52.079 --> 00:48:58.159
must refer you to someone else who
will be able to prescribe it. It's

607
00:48:58.239 --> 00:49:04.639
not his choice or her choice.
Is new choice. I'm new to this.

608
00:49:05.440 --> 00:49:09.559
What are some of the reservations about
HRT? Why would some doctors not

609
00:49:09.760 --> 00:49:15.119
want to prescribe? Is it what
you've listed before that the associations that have

610
00:49:15.239 --> 00:49:21.119
now been overturned? Still is that
still what causes socisely? Okay, precisely,

611
00:49:21.400 --> 00:49:25.360
it's lack of education, because you
have to remember how you introduced me

612
00:49:25.519 --> 00:49:30.719
and how I told you I got
into menopause. Doctors get very little teaching

613
00:49:30.760 --> 00:49:37.039
and training about menopause and medical school
or in the postgraduate training. I mean

614
00:49:37.199 --> 00:49:42.320
now in the UK there is a
special skills module on menopause that is new.

615
00:49:43.119 --> 00:49:45.760
Back before I left, in order
to be a menopause specialist, we

616
00:49:45.800 --> 00:49:50.880
had to go to the British Menopause
Society. But menopause is now so that

617
00:49:51.400 --> 00:49:54.360
has changed in the UK, and
we're now in the process of also changing

618
00:49:54.360 --> 00:50:00.599
that in Barbados, so that we
have more teaching about menopause. Now,

619
00:50:04.599 --> 00:50:09.800
remind remind me of the question I'm
asking, what are the drowbacks of that

620
00:50:09.880 --> 00:50:15.199
some doctors start that's will hesitant,
so, lack of due so. And

621
00:50:15.239 --> 00:50:21.320
I started sharing with you that lack
of training medical school, lack of training

622
00:50:21.360 --> 00:50:28.039
the postgraduate program. Doctors are not
comfortable having this discussion because they themselves are

623
00:50:28.079 --> 00:50:34.360
not educated about it enough to have
this discussion with you. So the Women's

624
00:50:34.360 --> 00:50:42.360
Health Initiative study not only disadvantage all
of those women back then, it also

625
00:50:42.519 --> 00:50:47.000
disadvantaged a cohort of doctors who knew
nothing about menopause training, and those the

626
00:50:47.039 --> 00:50:53.719
doctors you're seeing now. It's unfortunate, yes, and these doctors are still

627
00:50:53.760 --> 00:50:58.920
also holding on to this study from
two thousand and two without looking at your

628
00:50:58.960 --> 00:51:02.280
current data, which is saying no
harch Espectually, the way that we give

629
00:51:02.320 --> 00:51:10.199
it trans thermal estrogen micronize oral progestogen, which is body identical, identical structure

630
00:51:10.239 --> 00:51:17.480
to the hormones in your body is
essentially there is a small risk of bread

631
00:51:17.599 --> 00:51:27.039
breast cancer with estrogen and progestogen therapy. However, it's the progestogen that's important

632
00:51:27.480 --> 00:51:31.519
in that risk, and this newer
where it's not new anymore, but micronize

633
00:51:31.719 --> 00:51:37.800
or progestogen has been shown to have
less of a risk of breast cancer as

634
00:51:37.800 --> 00:51:44.880
compared to the oldest synthetic progestogens such
as liken, Ittisterol, et cetera.

635
00:51:45.920 --> 00:51:49.760
Right, So I guess the message
here is, as you've said, do

636
00:51:49.840 --> 00:51:53.599
the research, know the pros,
know the cons or ask make sure you

637
00:51:53.639 --> 00:51:59.079
get those details from your doctors,
particularly a doctor who's hesitant in prescribing that

638
00:51:59.119 --> 00:52:01.400
for you, so you're not risks
and you step into that with knowledge,

639
00:52:01.559 --> 00:52:07.679
wisdom, and if you and if
you I find like on social media,

640
00:52:07.719 --> 00:52:10.719
size I see who I'm saying.
I went to my GP, but and

641
00:52:10.960 --> 00:52:16.559
I'm suffering with that very depredicating symptoms
and my GP didn't give me anything.

642
00:52:17.360 --> 00:52:22.440
And don't let it end there.
Know your body, know how you're feeling,

643
00:52:22.519 --> 00:52:27.960
and if you're suffering, you seek
help. I run a virtual clinic.

644
00:52:28.039 --> 00:52:30.559
There's so many other The pandemic has
been horrible, but it's shown us

645
00:52:30.599 --> 00:52:36.960
that we can do claims different.
So the the other menopauseist who run a

646
00:52:37.039 --> 00:52:42.119
virtual clinic but seek help, don't
let it stop at that person telling you

647
00:52:42.119 --> 00:52:47.440
no, okay, excellent we're gonna
share together. We've got a few moments

648
00:52:47.480 --> 00:52:52.480
I'm sure with you we're gonna talk
about because we've we've hinted at it.

649
00:52:52.519 --> 00:52:59.719
We've spoken about the impact of menopause
on caliovascila health. We've spoken about it

650
00:52:59.760 --> 00:53:04.719
and terms of anxiety and depression and
so forth. So we understand that menopause

651
00:53:04.840 --> 00:53:14.679
can impact the whole body the mind. Are there sort of ways around or

652
00:53:14.800 --> 00:53:20.199
support structures that we can put in
place for our women who are struggling?

653
00:53:20.239 --> 00:53:23.199
Because I'm even thinking, and I
know we talked about it offline, how

654
00:53:23.239 --> 00:53:29.280
do family members, friends, husbands, brothers. I mean, this is

655
00:53:29.360 --> 00:53:31.239
this is for everyone, isn't it
not just It's not just a woman's this

656
00:53:31.320 --> 00:53:37.039
year. It's everyone's this year.
How can they support a woman who is

657
00:53:37.159 --> 00:53:40.840
going through this and we'll be going
through this and these changes in so many

658
00:53:40.840 --> 00:53:45.960
different aspects of their lives. What
I'm going to stay then, yet,

659
00:53:46.159 --> 00:53:52.400
that it is not only support for
the woman, is also support for children.

660
00:53:54.719 --> 00:54:00.719
Okay, so I share a personal
a personal story. I remember when

661
00:54:00.719 --> 00:54:07.320
I first started my perimenapology journey,
I had hot flushes, yes, but

662
00:54:07.440 --> 00:54:10.960
my worst symptoms were the mood swings
and my mood swings were horrible. But

663
00:54:12.079 --> 00:54:15.559
I say mood swings, I may
you go from zero to one hundred,

664
00:54:15.079 --> 00:54:21.880
you go from just calm to just
angry, and I may really angry.

665
00:54:22.039 --> 00:54:28.280
And I recall driving home one day
with my son and it was like having

666
00:54:28.280 --> 00:54:31.760
an outer body experienced. My son
did something I gid you know that it

667
00:54:32.039 --> 00:54:36.960
was Yes, it annoyed me,
but on the grand scheme of things,

668
00:54:37.239 --> 00:54:44.519
it wasn't. It wasn't no.
And I watched myself just got him,

669
00:54:45.000 --> 00:54:47.079
and it was as if I was
watching my and I couldn't stop, and

670
00:54:47.199 --> 00:54:53.320
it was going at him and angry
until I see tears streaming down my son's

671
00:54:53.639 --> 00:54:59.119
face, and I'm watching myself thinking
who is this person? Who am I

672
00:54:59.159 --> 00:55:04.960
become? Wow, And that is
what happens to us. We don't recognize

673
00:55:05.159 --> 00:55:08.360
the women we become. So you
say support for the women, but I

674
00:55:08.400 --> 00:55:13.440
also say support for the families,
because you can imagine what my son was

675
00:55:13.480 --> 00:55:17.320
feeling. I had to go to
him afterwards and say, you know,

676
00:55:17.440 --> 00:55:22.159
let me just have me enough time. I'm so sorry, just bear with

677
00:55:22.239 --> 00:55:24.920
me. And this was this was
probably the start of my hormone therapy journey

678
00:55:24.960 --> 00:55:31.360
because I couldn't have my son living
with this person. That's not fair to

679
00:55:31.440 --> 00:55:37.360
him. It's not fair to me. So whomen come to the clinic and

680
00:55:37.400 --> 00:55:43.519
they say, I'm not myself.
I feel dead inside. I don't recognize

681
00:55:43.599 --> 00:55:46.880
myself. I can't function at work. I'm in a meeting and I'm forgetting

682
00:55:47.000 --> 00:55:52.519
things. I'm getting anxious over little
things. You know, I used to

683
00:55:52.599 --> 00:55:57.760
be able to do this job before
even thinking, and now it's so challenged.

684
00:55:58.880 --> 00:56:05.920
Don't lose your life if over this, recognize what it is, so

685
00:56:05.960 --> 00:56:09.360
that that would be that that would
be my message to the woman to seek

686
00:56:09.400 --> 00:56:15.239
help, but also then get help. Get help. So seek help for

687
00:56:15.480 --> 00:56:20.960
seek help for themselves. Okay by
seeing the menopause, especially for your kynecologists

688
00:56:21.039 --> 00:56:25.679
or your GP. But also talk
to your husband. Talk communications. See

689
00:56:27.519 --> 00:56:30.880
when my when my patients come the
clinic and they say, my libido has

690
00:56:30.880 --> 00:56:34.360
decreased, For example, I don't
feel like I haven't said I don't know

691
00:56:34.400 --> 00:56:37.760
how to tell my husband. I
would say to speak to your husband.

692
00:56:39.800 --> 00:56:45.119
Something has changed. Plainly, you
don't feel like yourself anymore, but you're

693
00:56:45.199 --> 00:56:49.960
working on it because you must understand
how he must feel as well. This

694
00:56:50.079 --> 00:56:55.639
is really not knowing yes, so
have that conversation. Communicate your husband or

695
00:56:55.679 --> 00:57:02.000
your partner can only support once you
communicate. That's and how if we flip

696
00:57:02.559 --> 00:57:07.719
the script now and we're talking to
those husbands and those people are supporting,

697
00:57:07.760 --> 00:57:09.960
what do we what do we say
to them? Because obviously, as we've

698
00:57:09.960 --> 00:57:14.519
seen, some women will not speak
up, and we're hoping to change the

699
00:57:14.599 --> 00:57:19.159
narrative there. But if you see
a difference, so you recognize the difference,

700
00:57:19.559 --> 00:57:22.800
what do you do as a partner, as a child, as someone

701
00:57:22.840 --> 00:57:29.760
who's in their corner? So I
get this, I get this question posed

702
00:57:29.760 --> 00:57:32.480
differently so I would when I give. When I give, I mean seminars,

703
00:57:32.719 --> 00:57:37.679
the women give me questions. When
I give conferences to men. Women

704
00:57:37.760 --> 00:57:40.159
write write things that they want men
to know that they don't want to tell

705
00:57:40.239 --> 00:57:49.000
them. So call me, please, what was that I missed that?

706
00:57:49.159 --> 00:57:51.960
Sorry I'm saying, I'll tell honey, Honey, go and talk about to

707
00:57:52.039 --> 00:57:54.760
binal for me. Yes, she'll
tell you what's going on with me.

708
00:57:55.400 --> 00:58:00.360
Yes, they don't want it,
they don't want to communicate, but I'll

709
00:58:00.400 --> 00:58:06.000
tell you something interesting. I do
like to give conferences to men because I

710
00:58:06.079 --> 00:58:07.840
like to know their perspectives. And
I remember one man saying to me,

711
00:58:09.079 --> 00:58:12.559
he said, I wasn't going to
come to this letter today. It was

712
00:58:12.599 --> 00:58:15.800
put on by his workplace, he
said, because it was about menopause,

713
00:58:15.119 --> 00:58:19.480
but it was mandatory, so I
had to come. But I'm so happy

714
00:58:20.079 --> 00:58:23.960
I came because now I have a
better understanding about what my wife is going

715
00:58:24.000 --> 00:58:31.760
through. So I would encourage men
to go to menopause conferences. Read up

716
00:58:31.840 --> 00:58:37.480
on what your wife is going first. Try to understand what's happening to her

717
00:58:37.559 --> 00:58:42.320
body so you can understand, so
you can understand her. I also had

718
00:58:42.360 --> 00:58:47.159
a gentleman say, you know,
my wife wouldn't say that sets is hurting,

719
00:58:47.280 --> 00:58:52.079
but I can tell, and my
heart breaks when I can feel I

720
00:58:52.159 --> 00:58:57.440
know she's not enjoying this, but
I don't know what to do, you

721
00:58:57.440 --> 00:59:01.960
know, So men hurt as well
as women. We see we think men

722
00:59:02.000 --> 00:59:06.079
don't have emotions, but they have
emotions, and they feel and they hurt

723
00:59:06.079 --> 00:59:10.440
and they care about it and they
don't like the suffering. So she's not

724
00:59:10.559 --> 00:59:16.239
saying to him that says her,
he's picked up. So for men in

725
00:59:16.280 --> 00:59:20.760
that case, I've had many make
appointments for their wives and my menopause,

726
00:59:21.119 --> 00:59:24.000
I've had and ring up and say, my wife needs to see you,

727
00:59:24.679 --> 00:59:29.920
so you can recognize the symptoms in
your wife and you can speak to her

728
00:59:30.639 --> 00:59:37.039
and encourage her to make an appointment
to seek help. I guess that that

729
00:59:37.440 --> 00:59:43.000
extends to anyone who is working with, living with someone who is going through

730
00:59:43.280 --> 00:59:46.199
menopause, because that would be my
next question, And you've hinted that at

731
00:59:46.239 --> 00:59:51.840
that just a moment ago in that
this colleague had to go to a mandatory

732
00:59:51.880 --> 00:59:59.320
menopause session. What arell workplaces to
do about this? Is it much of

733
00:59:59.360 --> 01:00:04.920
the same put on these conferences,
putting on these discussions and making it mandatory

734
01:00:05.360 --> 01:00:12.559
that all men go as well?
Yes, I think so. I think

735
01:00:12.599 --> 01:00:15.880
that helps because I do really that
man stands out in my heads. And

736
01:00:16.000 --> 01:00:21.719
yet because I remember his words,
I was going to come today, and

737
01:00:21.760 --> 01:00:24.960
that's the problem. They don't show
up at the conferences, and he's right

738
01:00:25.039 --> 01:00:29.400
honest about it. I was not
going to come today. But then his

739
01:00:29.559 --> 01:00:36.159
next words were, but I'm so
happy I can. So what workplaces can

740
01:00:36.320 --> 01:00:44.400
help by making it mandatory? And
they can also help I having a workplace

741
01:00:44.559 --> 01:00:51.159
menopause champion, who you choose?
This person needs to be approachable that people

742
01:00:51.199 --> 01:00:54.000
feel that they can go to It
makes no sense to having the most unapproachable.

743
01:00:59.119 --> 01:01:05.440
That is the purpose, right,
So you need you need to have

744
01:01:05.480 --> 01:01:09.920
a person that people can feel is
their person at work, so you know

745
01:01:10.280 --> 01:01:15.960
that person who's going to menopause is
comfortable to say, you know, I

746
01:01:15.599 --> 01:01:21.280
had I've been having so many panic
attacks recently. Maybe can I am more

747
01:01:21.320 --> 01:01:24.559
comfortable working from home? Can I
work from home maybe three times a week,

748
01:01:24.760 --> 01:01:29.199
come into the office twice a week? I feel more comfortable. You

749
01:01:29.239 --> 01:01:35.079
know, you don't want to lose
women from the workforce because of menopause.

750
01:01:35.480 --> 01:01:40.320
And women shouldn't be made to feel
that because they passed their reproductive years that

751
01:01:40.519 --> 01:01:46.119
they can no longer contribute in a
meaningful way to the workplace or society.

752
01:01:46.519 --> 01:01:51.440
So we need to look after our
women better. Wonderful. Have you been

753
01:01:52.159 --> 01:01:54.719
asked to do anything within the workforce
yourself or are you able to do?

754
01:01:55.039 --> 01:02:00.800
Yes? Virtual sessions? Yes?
Well, oh yes I do. I

755
01:02:00.880 --> 01:02:05.679
do quite a lot, not only
in Barbados, throughout the Caribbean. And

756
01:02:08.000 --> 01:02:15.360
yeah, we're having more conversations about
menopause and people are becoming more aware,

757
01:02:15.480 --> 01:02:19.679
which is a good thing. The
more conversations like this that we can have,

758
01:02:20.320 --> 01:02:24.679
the better it is for women right
working up then with you telling me

759
01:02:25.159 --> 01:02:31.760
how I as a employer as a
supporter of someone with menopause, or if

760
01:02:31.800 --> 01:02:37.039
I did say someone who is perry
menopausal, how do I get in touch

761
01:02:37.079 --> 01:02:39.800
with you? Because you're based in
Barbados, but you were saying that you

762
01:02:39.960 --> 01:02:44.719
offer virtual assistance. How do we
get in touch or can we get in

763
01:02:44.800 --> 01:02:49.159
touch with you? Yes? We
can. So I'm based in Barbadis,

764
01:02:49.199 --> 01:02:52.199
but I'm also registered with the General
Medical CONVERSLAN in the UK. I'm on

765
01:02:52.280 --> 01:02:58.159
a specialist registerday as well as the
specialist in Badis. So I do have

766
01:02:58.360 --> 01:03:02.599
a virtue or menopause planic from my
UK patients and for patients throughout the Caribbean.

767
01:03:04.159 --> 01:03:09.639
So you can get in touch with
the center at the Woman's Holistic Health

768
01:03:09.719 --> 01:03:14.480
Center. We have a Facebook page
and we have an Instagram page and all

769
01:03:14.519 --> 01:03:17.679
of the details are there. You
can just simply book the Virtue Clinic.

770
01:03:19.719 --> 01:03:23.400
Can I just say that your assistant
is wonderful, She's been patient's she's been

771
01:03:23.440 --> 01:03:28.719
amazing. It's been hard to pin
you down, but she's been working with

772
01:03:28.840 --> 01:03:30.960
me, with you. When I
think we've made it happen, and I

773
01:03:30.079 --> 01:03:35.199
want to just say Khodos to her. Thank you. So she is amazing,

774
01:03:35.639 --> 01:03:38.719
She's she's my rock. We all
need one. I can tell you.

775
01:03:40.199 --> 01:03:45.199
I can tell and then then tell
me a little bit about the conference

776
01:03:45.280 --> 01:03:50.519
that you have. It's seventh,
okay, ye're running. It happens on

777
01:03:51.159 --> 01:03:57.039
Saturdays. Tell me it happens,
happens on the twenty eight. So I

778
01:03:57.119 --> 01:04:00.320
wish, I wish I could show
you a picture yourself. Even my center

779
01:04:00.360 --> 01:04:04.119
is called a Women's Holistic health Center. So we are located have you ever

780
01:04:04.199 --> 01:04:10.719
been to Barbadisenia? Have just landed
skirted around, but I haven't really seen

781
01:04:10.760 --> 01:04:14.760
it in depth, So yes,
it's okay visits, so tell me tell

782
01:04:14.800 --> 01:04:20.559
me how I can. So we're
located by the Garrison Savannah and it is

783
01:04:20.639 --> 01:04:28.079
just a beautiful, amazing expanse of
property and we're holding it on the moon

784
01:04:28.159 --> 01:04:30.360
at night where there's a full moon. There's going to be outdoors. And

785
01:04:30.920 --> 01:04:39.320
we have a band performing just just
just no big band, sorry I say

786
01:04:39.440 --> 01:04:45.320
band, but live entertainment. Someone's
singing and we usually have because I said

787
01:04:45.360 --> 01:04:49.880
that I focus on the holistic way
of looking after a woman. We have

788
01:04:50.119 --> 01:04:55.519
nutrition is presenting and how you should
eating your menopause years. We have an

789
01:04:55.599 --> 01:05:00.519
exercise especialist about the type of exercises. We have a sessional mindful eating,

790
01:05:01.280 --> 01:05:06.800
we have a session of mindful sex, we have a session what else do

791
01:05:06.880 --> 01:05:11.639
we have on meditation? And in
touch on that, I'm going to vary.

792
01:05:13.000 --> 01:05:16.800
In fact, I can't end before
touching on that. Looking at yourself

793
01:05:16.840 --> 01:05:19.760
as a female, you must feed
your spirit, and you can feed your

794
01:05:19.800 --> 01:05:26.280
spirit. You want two ways for
it and meditation, whichever you choose.

795
01:05:26.360 --> 01:05:30.760
Whether you choose you want to booth, you do need to have one or

796
01:05:30.880 --> 01:05:33.880
both. But you do need to
have some way of nurturing that spirit.

797
01:05:34.639 --> 01:05:39.920
Because you asked me, Zani,
how what is it? How? What

798
01:05:40.039 --> 01:05:45.960
would I recommend to age gracefully?
And that is fivoital. So we're going

799
01:05:46.000 --> 01:05:54.039
to have We're going to have some
meditation exercises. Yes, and sharing what's

800
01:05:54.480 --> 01:06:00.159
also important. Lots of women come
and share their stories, and women had

801
01:06:00.199 --> 01:06:03.280
to learn a lot through share.
We overcome by the word of our testimonies,

802
01:06:03.360 --> 01:06:08.039
and that's that's crucial. I can
tell I can see that you've been

803
01:06:08.079 --> 01:06:10.920
through it and you've conquered it,
and you've survived and you're doing well on

804
01:06:11.000 --> 01:06:13.679
the other side of me. So
I tend to. And also you can

805
01:06:13.760 --> 01:06:16.239
help me, you can help me
across. So it's very important that we

806
01:06:16.360 --> 01:06:19.800
hear from each other on that.
How how did it start? It's seven

807
01:06:19.840 --> 01:06:23.480
years running? You say, how
did it? How did it start?

808
01:06:23.840 --> 01:06:30.679
Come about thirty when I first moved
back here. So when I first moved

809
01:06:30.719 --> 01:06:32.400
back so when I left the UK, I don't know if you remember.

810
01:06:32.519 --> 01:06:38.079
Back in two tenty fifteen, menopause
is becoming quite topical. The British Menopause

811
01:06:38.159 --> 01:06:43.599
Society was really coming out. The
National Institute of clin Collectcellence issued guidelines on

812
01:06:43.760 --> 01:06:48.320
menopause, so there was like a
menopause revolution going on. So when I

813
01:06:48.440 --> 01:06:53.880
left the UK and I came to
Barbados, menopause wasn't very topical at that

814
01:06:54.000 --> 01:06:58.760
point. So I thought, you
know what I saw how my patients in

815
01:06:58.840 --> 01:07:06.920
the UK appreciated menopauslic how they embrace
the a charity and just a new way

816
01:07:06.960 --> 01:07:11.639
of living. I thought that would
be a beautiful gift to bring to Caribbean

817
01:07:11.719 --> 01:07:16.320
women. So I started it as
a way of raising awareness. We started

818
01:07:16.360 --> 01:07:19.679
out in a small room in a
hotel with thirty women. That was our

819
01:07:19.760 --> 01:07:27.679
first one thirty women, and that
was in twenty seventeen, and last year

820
01:07:28.199 --> 01:07:33.960
we had over two hundred. Oh
amazing, yes, amazing. So it's

821
01:07:34.079 --> 01:07:39.360
and then I help women's women asking
can we do it virtually? Can they

822
01:07:39.440 --> 01:07:43.840
see it virtually? But we haven't. We haven't progressed to my next quession.

823
01:07:45.559 --> 01:07:47.440
Maybe next year. We haven't gone
to that point just yet. Well,

824
01:07:47.519 --> 01:07:50.119
yeah, well keep us in the
note I'm going to share again.

825
01:07:50.199 --> 01:07:56.480
It's Women's Holistic Health Center. It's
all one word two four six at gmail

826
01:07:56.559 --> 01:08:00.760
dot com if you want to contact
the doctor and are getting additional information,

827
01:08:00.840 --> 01:08:05.639
and she's also pointed you towards her
Instagram and Facebook pages, so if you

828
01:08:05.760 --> 01:08:10.440
want more information, feel free to
reach out. I am looking forward to

829
01:08:10.519 --> 01:08:16.000
a virtual invite at some point,
the saying, but it's been a wonderful

830
01:08:16.039 --> 01:08:18.720
speaking to you. I know you're
quite busy. You said you had an

831
01:08:18.760 --> 01:08:23.159
interview or radio session earlier. You've
got one later, so I don't want

832
01:08:23.239 --> 01:08:26.840
to keep you any longer. Thank
you so so much, and all the

833
01:08:26.960 --> 01:08:30.000
very best to you and the work, the amazing work that you're doing in

834
01:08:30.119 --> 01:08:34.800
this field. You're welcome. Before
I go, I just remembered one more

835
01:08:34.840 --> 01:08:42.039
minute, yes, yes, yes, I just remembered we I didn't think

836
01:08:42.079 --> 01:08:47.800
about it because we run our first
menopause support group and it was person.

837
01:08:48.479 --> 01:08:54.760
It was sorry I'm launching was it
was in person? So I run it

838
01:08:54.800 --> 01:08:59.000
out the clinic and it was only
in person. But I am piloting running

839
01:08:59.039 --> 01:09:03.640
the menopause support virtually. Right.
So this is eight sension group. It's

840
01:09:03.720 --> 01:09:12.479
a mind body medicine group, and
it teaches you ways to strategies before so

841
01:09:12.760 --> 01:09:15.520
we look at who you are as
a person, how you want to evolved,

842
01:09:15.720 --> 01:09:18.640
and how you're going to get there, and we teach you ways to

843
01:09:19.039 --> 01:09:24.439
how to get there and cope.
So and again to find out more about

844
01:09:24.479 --> 01:09:29.640
that, is it that we look
for your your social handles that it's all

845
01:09:29.680 --> 01:09:32.560
on the social pages. Yes,
perfect, anything else you want to add

846
01:09:32.720 --> 01:09:41.000
just before we know? No,
So again, enjoy enjoy the rest of

847
01:09:41.039 --> 01:09:45.760
the day. Oh my gosh,
bob it yeah looking out the window again,

848
01:09:45.800 --> 01:09:47.520
I don't even know what doing,
but yes, enjoy the rest of

849
01:09:47.600 --> 01:09:53.039
your day. Enjoy the rest of
your month of celebrations. And I hope

850
01:09:53.079 --> 01:09:56.600
that your event goes well, to
success, and we look forward, as

851
01:09:56.640 --> 01:09:59.640
we said, to a virtual invite
at some point and to having you back

852
01:10:00.119 --> 01:10:03.479
if you might to approp Thank you, gratitude, thank you, no worries,

853
01:10:03.600 --> 01:10:08.239
take care, all the best,
go bye. Yeah. So we

854
01:10:09.399 --> 01:10:15.000
heard from Dr Bino there as I
said, a full length conversation about the

855
01:10:15.079 --> 01:10:20.479
issues that surround menopause, the women
who go through menopause and the people who

856
01:10:20.560 --> 01:10:27.439
support them. For me, from
that interview, I took away that menopause

857
01:10:27.680 --> 01:10:33.199
doesn't happen at fifty five, it
doesn't happen at sixty. Menopause can happen

858
01:10:33.319 --> 01:10:38.319
quite early for women. I have
a friend in fact, and this conversation

859
01:10:38.520 --> 01:10:46.600
just sort of jogged my memory because
she's got a whole Instagram social media campaign

860
01:10:46.680 --> 01:10:56.680
going because she is only thirty something
and she has been through menopause, so

861
01:10:57.159 --> 01:11:00.600
you know, she's talking about that
journey, and it just for me reminded

862
01:11:00.640 --> 01:11:02.479
me that, yeah, it's not
for the fifty something year old, it's

863
01:11:02.520 --> 01:11:05.760
not for the sixty something year old. It's not for the age and the

864
01:11:05.880 --> 01:11:12.159
old. It happens to even the
young, and it happens sometimes before we

865
01:11:12.359 --> 01:11:16.680
expect. So so you know,
we need to have these conversations. And

866
01:11:17.039 --> 01:11:21.359
Angelie, you mentioned that at the
very top twenty year olds, you know,

867
01:11:21.920 --> 01:11:27.880
young women, young men, everyone, we need to have the conversation.

868
01:11:28.119 --> 01:11:30.880
We need to have the conversation early
so that we're doing the research so

869
01:11:31.000 --> 01:11:39.159
that we're prepared to either go through
and go through it gracefully or support the

870
01:11:39.279 --> 01:11:44.000
women who are That's what I drew
from that conversation. And there's lots to

871
01:11:44.159 --> 01:11:48.119
learn, there's lots to know,
so we really have to do our due

872
01:11:48.600 --> 01:11:51.319
diligence. Yeah, And I think
the key thing for me from that as

873
01:11:51.319 --> 01:11:55.319
well is the fact that actually there
is still I mean, I think it's

874
01:11:55.359 --> 01:11:58.520
getting better, and you know whatever, every conversation that we have and people

875
01:11:58.560 --> 01:12:01.640
who are working in the field,
people are still still quite reluctant to talk

876
01:12:01.680 --> 01:12:04.800
about things. There is an element
it feels like an element of shame.

877
01:12:05.079 --> 01:12:11.399
It feels like an element of embarrassment. I think the whole idea around menstruation

878
01:12:11.720 --> 01:12:15.560
anyway, I think there is a
lot of stigma around that, even though

879
01:12:15.600 --> 01:12:18.560
it's a completely natural, natural process
that we've can go through. It's not

880
01:12:18.680 --> 01:12:23.000
something that you know, we should
be hiding. But there's a lot linked

881
01:12:23.039 --> 01:12:26.479
with that, and I think that
then just feeds into where we go with

882
01:12:26.520 --> 01:12:30.119
the menopause as well. And you
know, it was quite interesting her saying

883
01:12:30.199 --> 01:12:33.119
that over She's worked in the UK
and we're a bit more open over here,

884
01:12:33.239 --> 01:12:36.439
but in the Caribbean they don't really
want to have the conversation. And

885
01:12:36.560 --> 01:12:42.279
I can imagine that from a cultural
perspective that actually can that's like an added

886
01:12:42.359 --> 01:12:44.800
layer to that, you know.
And then you kind of think in some

887
01:12:45.000 --> 01:12:48.680
cultures where women may speak about these
things months themselves, but the men in

888
01:12:48.760 --> 01:12:54.600
their lives and possibly other people don't
necessarily recognize it and understand and what comes

889
01:12:54.640 --> 01:12:57.279
with that as well, So it
can be real you don't want to know.

890
01:12:57.880 --> 01:13:00.439
I could imagine in some cultures,
in some hole, the men don't

891
01:13:00.479 --> 01:13:04.039
really want to know. Yeah,
the funds don't really care. It's not

892
01:13:04.319 --> 01:13:06.840
it's not anything to do with them, until some you know, the woman

893
01:13:06.920 --> 01:13:13.039
flies off the handle or something like
that, like oh wait, wait a

894
01:13:13.119 --> 01:13:15.880
bitte. Yeah, And I think
also it's also about how people where they

895
01:13:15.960 --> 01:13:20.039
take it seriously enough as well.
You know, I'm sad to say that,

896
01:13:20.119 --> 01:13:25.039
you know, I've had conversations with
people I'm not even saying it's men,

897
01:13:25.359 --> 01:13:28.520
men and women as well, where
sometimes you know, things around periods

898
01:13:28.840 --> 01:13:32.199
or maybe it's menopause are seen as
excuses for not doing something. You know,

899
01:13:32.600 --> 01:13:35.880
and it's a reason why oh yeah, you're you're and other things then

900
01:13:35.960 --> 01:13:40.319
become You can become labeled, you
could be seen as lazy, or you

901
01:13:40.399 --> 01:13:43.840
can't keep it together, you're not
resilient enough. So I just know there's

902
01:13:43.840 --> 01:13:45.640
all of those things that will come
with that. And I think, you

903
01:13:45.680 --> 01:13:47.239
know, when we speak to Mavis
as well, you know, in her

904
01:13:47.319 --> 01:13:50.720
experience of working with the women who
are going through this as well, I

905
01:13:50.760 --> 01:13:54.159
think we're gonna get some good insights
on that sort of say, actually,

906
01:13:54.479 --> 01:13:57.720
there's a lot of stigma that we
need to kind of debunk. Really we

907
01:13:57.880 --> 01:14:00.520
kind of want so if we want
to be talking about this, it's a

908
01:14:00.640 --> 01:14:03.880
natural thing. People women are going
to go through this, you know,

909
01:14:04.119 --> 01:14:08.239
each should be something that we talk
about and it shouldn't be anything to be

910
01:14:08.239 --> 01:14:12.199
embarrassed about. So so yeah,
so that was a really it was a

911
01:14:12.239 --> 01:14:17.960
really interesting, insightful conversation. So
did youth Stretch. No. I did

912
01:14:18.000 --> 01:14:23.119
not have a chance to listen to
it yet. Okay, I admit I

913
01:14:23.239 --> 01:14:28.640
haven't. But what you guys are
talking about is got me scared because I

914
01:14:28.680 --> 01:14:31.199
didn't realize something because you know,
I got I got my wife, and

915
01:14:31.239 --> 01:14:34.119
I got two girls, you know, one has started her menstre and the

916
01:14:34.199 --> 01:14:38.199
other one is close to at some
point, you know, when she gets

917
01:14:38.199 --> 01:14:41.039
a little older. She's only nine, but you know you can start any

918
01:14:41.079 --> 01:14:45.760
time. And I'm thinking ook,
and my wife already, so I'm thinking,

919
01:14:45.800 --> 01:14:48.279
okay, so my wife is going
through metro cycles now, which that

920
01:14:48.399 --> 01:14:53.760
week is I stay away from?
And now I have two other girls that

921
01:14:54.159 --> 01:14:57.279
I have to stay away from.
Those two so like me and my son

922
01:14:57.279 --> 01:15:00.840
are gonna be like hold up in
a room. You know, I'm not

923
01:15:00.880 --> 01:15:03.960
trying to be funny. I'm just
saying because you know, because like you

924
01:15:04.079 --> 01:15:08.079
know, it's like no matter what. Sometimes you know, the pain,

925
01:15:08.600 --> 01:15:12.319
you know, like like oh the
pain me so much pain, And I'm

926
01:15:12.399 --> 01:15:15.640
like, okay, what can I
do? Nothing? Okay, well just

927
01:15:15.720 --> 01:15:18.239
go do nothing over there. So
you know, I'm not see. But

928
01:15:18.359 --> 01:15:23.119
then what you guys are talking about, wait a minute. So after they

929
01:15:23.720 --> 01:15:29.479
that ends, then they go to
metoplause, and you were saying something about

930
01:15:29.600 --> 01:15:31.560
you know they go off you you
can't some women kind of go off the

931
01:15:31.600 --> 01:15:35.399
handle or you know, like just
you know, so I have to I

932
01:15:35.520 --> 01:15:41.640
have to worry about that now coming
up. Indeed, be funny, serious,

933
01:15:42.479 --> 01:15:46.359
smiling, I know, and I'm
just saying that is why these conversations

934
01:15:46.399 --> 01:15:50.560
are so critical, because I need
some tips. The more you know there

935
01:15:50.600 --> 01:15:57.680
you go. The more you know, the less you will be because well

936
01:15:57.760 --> 01:16:00.880
I'm like, oh, I needn't
make enough money. I can vacation during

937
01:16:00.960 --> 01:16:04.880
the time or something. Okay,
So this seguy is nicely into our next

938
01:16:04.960 --> 01:16:10.800
part where this is where we're going
to bring in our second guest, Mayvis

939
01:16:11.279 --> 01:16:15.960
Maxwell don Cole. So yeah,
because again it's quite interesting Pedro that you

940
01:16:15.960 --> 01:16:19.359
will say that, because I guess
raising awareness. Having the conversation is really

941
01:16:19.399 --> 01:16:23.720
about, you know, people having
an understanding and then look in at the

942
01:16:23.720 --> 01:16:26.760
ways how we can kind of support
each other. So I'm going to bring

943
01:16:26.840 --> 01:16:30.479
Mavis in now. So Mayvis,
thank you again for joining us and having

944
01:16:30.520 --> 01:16:32.680
this conversation. No doubt you'll probably
smiling at some of the things you've been

945
01:16:32.720 --> 01:16:39.319
hearing. Well, I want to
smack it's crazy, No, Pedro,

946
01:16:39.600 --> 01:16:44.359
not at all. I'm laughing because
that's exactly how i'd expect men to be

947
01:16:44.479 --> 01:16:47.520
feeling. Yes, yeah, I
mean I tell you how I feel,

948
01:16:47.680 --> 01:16:50.359
and that's how I feel. What
we want. We need more men,

949
01:16:50.479 --> 01:16:55.600
to be honest. I'm a mother
of two boys. I'm the queen in

950
01:16:55.640 --> 01:17:00.520
my house and I'm their first experience
of a woman going through menopause. Perimenopause,

951
01:17:02.039 --> 01:17:06.399
so we are all learning through this
journey to catch cool. Well,

952
01:17:06.399 --> 01:17:10.000
I'm glad you said that because I
don't want people to think I'm being insensitive.

953
01:17:10.039 --> 01:17:14.119
I'm not really being insensitive. I'm
just how I feel conversations. So

954
01:17:14.399 --> 01:17:16.239
yeah, I'm being and how I
feel like I'm scared. I'm like,

955
01:17:16.840 --> 01:17:20.479
just like, what am I going
to do? Hopefully by the time we've

956
01:17:20.560 --> 01:17:24.760
you've had more knowledge, you won't
be scared. That's the point. That's

957
01:17:25.159 --> 01:17:30.399
that's our aim, that's the point
of this a talking point. Cool So

958
01:17:30.520 --> 01:17:34.680
maybe telling a little bit about yourself
and I guess what's your links with menopause.

959
01:17:34.720 --> 01:17:36.960
But you mentioned a little bit of
their your own experience, but tell

960
01:17:38.039 --> 01:17:41.520
us a little bit about you know
yourself and the work that you are currently

961
01:17:41.600 --> 01:17:46.800
doing. I am a certified life
coach, did that in lockdown. Currently.

962
01:17:47.039 --> 01:17:51.239
My day job is a support manager, so getting people into work.

963
01:17:53.199 --> 01:18:02.159
And I hit perimenopause April fifteenth this
year. Wow, it came as a

964
01:18:02.199 --> 01:18:05.640
big shock. Not to my doctor
though, I mean I've got a great

965
01:18:05.680 --> 01:18:10.039
doctor, so she was very much
aware of what's going on with my body

966
01:18:10.079 --> 01:18:14.880
and my symptoms. I think I
was just not aware of what's going on.

967
01:18:15.000 --> 01:18:18.119
And I'll start from the beginning.
There are times where things were dark.

968
01:18:19.359 --> 01:18:25.199
When we say dark, I mean
black. Your whole being, your

969
01:18:25.319 --> 01:18:30.680
whole attitude to life, your whole
connection with everyone is dark. And as

970
01:18:30.720 --> 01:18:35.800
women were very good at masking things, and I particularly was masking how I

971
01:18:36.000 --> 01:18:41.239
was feeling different in my energy,
in my mood, and what I wanted

972
01:18:41.279 --> 01:18:45.359
to achieve and what I wanted to
do, just connecting with people. And

973
01:18:45.439 --> 01:18:53.920
very sadly, I lost my sister
in law unexpectedly November last year, and

974
01:18:54.720 --> 01:18:59.359
thank you, thank you. That
same day she passed away, I got

975
01:18:59.399 --> 01:19:03.560
the phone called that my university friend, college friend had also passed away unexpectedly.

976
01:19:06.039 --> 01:19:10.640
So that was November last year.
If you can imagine going through sorrow,

977
01:19:10.840 --> 01:19:15.600
going through morning in a very dark
place, not really able to connect

978
01:19:15.720 --> 01:19:18.560
or move forward in life, but
still did my day job, had no

979
01:19:19.359 --> 01:19:25.239
complaints, My day job was great, my clients were happy, and went

980
01:19:25.279 --> 01:19:30.039
through the funeral process and everything,
and come March I was like, no,

981
01:19:30.279 --> 01:19:33.640
something's still not right. I'm still
not moving forward. Nothing gives me

982
01:19:33.760 --> 01:19:41.159
joy. I've got two amazing boys
and I'm an amazing supportive husband, and

983
01:19:41.239 --> 01:19:45.800
I will still not feel enjoy So
I went to the doctor. You cannot

984
01:19:45.960 --> 01:19:48.560
really there is no test for menopause, and I'm sure the doctor said that

985
01:19:48.640 --> 01:19:54.319
before. However, there are There's
called a symptom Menopause Symptoms Checker, which

986
01:19:54.439 --> 01:19:58.199
had I known, I would use
it and I'd recommend it to anyone and

987
01:19:58.279 --> 01:20:02.159
everyone now that look it up online
Menopause Symptoms Checker. There is a list

988
01:20:02.239 --> 01:20:05.760
of things you can tick, things
like mood, swings, black or sleep,

989
01:20:05.960 --> 01:20:12.119
motivation, energy and as so,
once you have an idea of what

990
01:20:12.239 --> 01:20:14.920
your symptoms are, that can help
towards going to doctor. But for me,

991
01:20:15.000 --> 01:20:17.560
I went to doctors blaming what was
happening. She looked on my levels

992
01:20:18.159 --> 01:20:24.159
and she said, maybe you're perimenopause. I was like, nah, no,

993
01:20:24.800 --> 01:20:27.920
no, of course not nowhere.
I'm not fifty to may come on,

994
01:20:28.199 --> 01:20:30.079
No, no, no no,
And She's like, to be honest,

995
01:20:30.520 --> 01:20:35.039
you've kind of been for about a
year and a half. But obviously

996
01:20:35.039 --> 01:20:40.199
I've also got living with her lung
condition. That has been the focus of

997
01:20:40.279 --> 01:20:46.199
me progressing through life. And what
I what I would say was the passing

998
01:20:46.279 --> 01:20:51.399
of my system and all my friend
is astibated and brought it forward, and

999
01:20:51.479 --> 01:20:55.960
I'm glad it did, because I
think I kept masking it for too long.

1000
01:20:58.000 --> 01:21:02.199
I did take the choose to go
on to HRT to try it out

1001
01:21:02.439 --> 01:21:09.039
because I wasn't happy. I was
down and I didn't like that feeling.

1002
01:21:09.720 --> 01:21:14.439
All I can say is like this
miserable being inside you that just pulls you

1003
01:21:14.600 --> 01:21:18.119
down when you should be joyful.
You're still brought down no matter how you

1004
01:21:18.319 --> 01:21:27.640
try. And from there I started
to talk to other women. My mother

1005
01:21:28.079 --> 01:21:32.880
never spoke to me about it.
She had an operation that meant she wouldn't.

1006
01:21:33.000 --> 01:21:38.960
She didn't get it, so she
had nothing to say. My aunt's

1007
01:21:39.359 --> 01:21:43.840
never spoke about it. No one
spoke to me about menopause. I've gone

1008
01:21:43.880 --> 01:21:49.760
out and done my own research,
and what I'm now doing is talking to

1009
01:21:49.960 --> 01:21:57.319
other women. I'm being honest about
my experience. If we are honest,

1010
01:21:58.359 --> 01:22:00.159
you are open the door for somebody
else. I'm going to say, I

1011
01:22:00.359 --> 01:22:05.920
too, am going through this.
I resonate with you. What you just

1012
01:22:05.960 --> 01:22:11.079
said is exactly how I've been feeling. And since I've started to do that,

1013
01:22:11.399 --> 01:22:15.680
I am beginning to hear more women's
stories and more women coming out and

1014
01:22:15.840 --> 01:22:20.640
saying that's what happened to me or
X y Z, and how did I

1015
01:22:20.760 --> 01:22:26.359
cope with it? What did I
do to manage it? There are all

1016
01:22:26.479 --> 01:22:30.840
sorts. There are many things out
there that we can use and take to

1017
01:22:30.920 --> 01:22:33.720
support the menopause. It doesn't have
to be medically induced. There is a

1018
01:22:33.760 --> 01:22:42.039
book I'm currently reading about the natural
way. It's called The Natural Menopause Method

1019
01:22:42.760 --> 01:22:46.079
by A. Karen Newby, talking
about natural ways of doing it because a

1020
01:22:46.079 --> 01:22:53.199
lot of women want the natural way
of managing the menopause. At work,

1021
01:22:53.359 --> 01:22:57.720
I am now a facilitator for the
Menopause Peer Group. I put my hand

1022
01:22:57.840 --> 01:23:02.680
up. I'm not medically certified.
I don't know you know where is zactly

1023
01:23:02.800 --> 01:23:08.680
to go? But I can guide
my peers at work and my friends and

1024
01:23:08.760 --> 01:23:13.800
family that are around me where to
go and look what to do? Someone

1025
01:23:13.840 --> 01:23:16.159
said to me just two days ago, Oh I think I am perimenopause.

1026
01:23:16.199 --> 01:23:18.199
What do I do? First of
all, you go to a GP.

1027
01:23:19.279 --> 01:23:24.960
You need to have a GP that
has menopause training because not all of them

1028
01:23:25.000 --> 01:23:28.800
have to do the training. They
don't have to do the training. So

1029
01:23:29.039 --> 01:23:31.319
it's key to ask have you made
menopause trained or can I have a menopause

1030
01:23:31.439 --> 01:23:38.039
specialist or guynic collegist that's there to
talk to about the symptoms, because what

1031
01:23:38.199 --> 01:23:44.479
we don't want is so many women
being misdiagnosed, being told noah, it's

1032
01:23:44.640 --> 01:23:50.159
anxiety or depression x X y z, and not actually focusing on the problem

1033
01:23:50.279 --> 01:23:58.479
with the situation being the menopause itself. Interesting. Yeah, that's really interesting.

1034
01:23:58.520 --> 01:24:00.319
Thank you so much for sharing that. And you know, again,

1035
01:24:01.039 --> 01:24:03.960
it's interesting that you're saying that,
you know, you're starting to you're starting

1036
01:24:04.000 --> 01:24:08.359
to have that conversation with women and
more and more women and then talking and

1037
01:24:08.479 --> 01:24:13.359
saying, yes, I relate for
you. You said that you're you know,

1038
01:24:13.439 --> 01:24:17.079
you didn't nobody spoke to you about
it. Again, did you know

1039
01:24:17.159 --> 01:24:21.000
anything about the menopause beforehand? Obviously
you said you went to the doctors.

1040
01:24:21.039 --> 01:24:24.640
I mean, were you kind of
a is it something that you thought about

1041
01:24:25.119 --> 01:24:29.359
before it kind of happened for you? My view, I thought about it,

1042
01:24:29.640 --> 01:24:36.039
Gosh, I think about forty five
because I remember putting on my Facebook

1043
01:24:36.079 --> 01:24:42.560
page let's talk about menopause, and
a friend's side to put message me why

1044
01:24:43.760 --> 01:24:49.800
m M, And I said why
not we talk about women's health. We're

1045
01:24:49.840 --> 01:24:54.880
talking to our young girls about women's
health, the menstrual cycle, the periods,

1046
01:24:54.920 --> 01:24:59.159
and the boys. We need to
talk about menopause. Yeah, really,

1047
01:24:59.760 --> 01:25:03.760
it's part of the journey of our
life. And the more we acknowledge

1048
01:25:03.840 --> 01:25:09.920
and the more knowledge we are given
an education that is given around the menopause,

1049
01:25:10.680 --> 01:25:14.039
the easier it's going to be for
our men and our boys and for

1050
01:25:14.199 --> 01:25:18.439
us women as a whole. Right, the first story one woman said to

1051
01:25:18.520 --> 01:25:23.640
me was she luckily she's gone through
it now. And I know she won't

1052
01:25:23.680 --> 01:25:25.520
mind. I'm not going to mention
her name, but I know she won't

1053
01:25:25.560 --> 01:25:31.279
mind me saying her story. She
was misdiagnosed depression anxiety and was given those

1054
01:25:31.319 --> 01:25:36.960
tablets. It was so bad for
her her situation. She asked a friend

1055
01:25:38.039 --> 01:25:42.359
to come and live in her house
so that she could keep an eye on

1056
01:25:42.439 --> 01:25:47.399
her and her children. She took
time out of work so that she could

1057
01:25:47.479 --> 01:25:50.439
just go out as soon as the
children were at school and go for long

1058
01:25:50.800 --> 01:25:56.960
walks and not be left at home
on her own. But she's gone through

1059
01:25:57.000 --> 01:26:00.960
it, she's gone, she's at
the other side. But two and a

1060
01:26:00.000 --> 01:26:05.600
half years of going through that because
of your mis diagnosed. Now that we're

1061
01:26:05.680 --> 01:26:10.079
talking, she's like, those are
the symptoms I had. Yeah, that

1062
01:26:10.279 --> 01:26:14.159
makes sense. These were the moods
I was receiving. These were how I

1063
01:26:14.279 --> 01:26:17.720
was feeling, you know, the
energy to get up in the morning,

1064
01:26:17.880 --> 01:26:21.520
to do anything, the energy to
smile at people, or even to go

1065
01:26:21.760 --> 01:26:27.239
out. I would always have a
reason why I wasn't going Now, yeah,

1066
01:26:27.600 --> 01:26:30.840
and I love going out. I'm
a sociable person, but I was

1067
01:26:30.920 --> 01:26:31.960
going through something. I was like, no, I don't want to be

1068
01:26:32.079 --> 01:26:39.000
near people. Maybes, Can I
ask you a question? You said that

1069
01:26:39.560 --> 01:26:45.119
you went to the doctor and the
doctor said you were very menopauthal. Yeah,

1070
01:26:45.279 --> 01:26:49.039
how because in the conversation I had
with doctor Baiano, she says,

1071
01:26:49.319 --> 01:26:59.560
it's once you have not seen or
had period for twelve months, that's the

1072
01:26:59.640 --> 01:27:05.720
ment. That's when you determined that
someone's menopausal or Perry is a it's a

1073
01:27:05.760 --> 01:27:11.880
precursor to that. So how is
it a gap of a certain number of

1074
01:27:12.000 --> 01:27:17.520
months that determines Perry? Is it
a list of a significant number of symptoms

1075
01:27:18.239 --> 01:27:29.079
what determines Perry menopausal? There are
various symptoms. Is there a change?

1076
01:27:29.399 --> 01:27:36.439
I think there is? For many
people they think you know you're losing you're

1077
01:27:36.800 --> 01:27:39.920
what's the word, No, what's
the thing? I was going to say,

1078
01:27:40.560 --> 01:27:45.319
your energy like of sleep. For
me, it was like a sleep

1079
01:27:45.560 --> 01:27:47.600
because I would be up till two
three in the morning, be up again

1080
01:27:47.640 --> 01:27:55.199
at seven. It was lack of
energy to do anything. I was getting

1081
01:27:55.239 --> 01:28:03.079
migraines a lot more than normal,
and just everything was a drag. And

1082
01:28:03.199 --> 01:28:09.520
my doctors known me before my boys, so she has always seen this upbeat

1083
01:28:09.560 --> 01:28:14.680
patient come in and suddenly I'm dragging
my feet. Oh doctor, this,

1084
01:28:14.880 --> 01:28:18.199
this, this, this, this, and she could see the pattern.

1085
01:28:19.279 --> 01:28:25.079
But at the same time, I
wasn't predominantly giving as much of the symptoms.

1086
01:28:25.119 --> 01:28:27.800
I mean, one of the symptoms
people say menopause is the hot flushes,

1087
01:28:28.279 --> 01:28:33.239
right. I get it once in
a while, literally very minuscule amount

1088
01:28:33.319 --> 01:28:38.560
of it. I think for me, the hot flush came when I was

1089
01:28:38.560 --> 01:28:41.920
at three o'clock in the morning.
It'll be too hot and I'd have to

1090
01:28:42.000 --> 01:28:46.079
literally robe myself because it was so
hot. But I'm known women who are

1091
01:28:46.199 --> 01:28:53.560
sitting in front of you and just
dreaded ripping. Yeah, menopause. Everyone's

1092
01:28:53.640 --> 01:28:57.399
journey is individual. So I don't
want to say to you there is this

1093
01:28:57.520 --> 01:29:00.199
there is. Yes, there are
certain signs to check out for like if

1094
01:29:00.239 --> 01:29:03.960
you go to the if you look
at the menopause symptom, it says low

1095
01:29:04.079 --> 01:29:09.920
mood, mood swings, irritable.
Oh my goodness, the least thing was

1096
01:29:09.960 --> 01:29:16.079
irritating. Irritating me, the least
thing snappy, tearful. You're sitting there

1097
01:29:16.119 --> 01:29:23.199
watching something and then suddenly you're crying
or my husband said something nothing to upset

1098
01:29:23.279 --> 01:29:28.279
me, and I mean tears and
he's like what, Yeah, And even

1099
01:29:28.399 --> 01:29:32.640
I was asking my stuff, what's
going on? You know, there are

1100
01:29:32.760 --> 01:29:36.079
so many, you know, difficults. I've talked about difficulty my going pop

1101
01:29:36.119 --> 01:29:42.680
flash and night sweats. Muscle pain
that's the other one. Yeah, and

1102
01:29:42.760 --> 01:29:45.600
they talk about things like joint pain
as well. Because I was looking,

1103
01:29:45.640 --> 01:29:48.279
there's been about some unusual things even
and I think I've I have pre experienced

1104
01:29:48.319 --> 01:29:53.319
for these as well, where your
skin really my skin really itches, it

1105
01:29:53.359 --> 01:29:57.439
feels that something is crawling on it. Definitely the joint pain and the muscle

1106
01:29:57.479 --> 01:30:00.920
cramps, that kind of thing.
And again something just put that down to,

1107
01:30:00.720 --> 01:30:03.840
you know, just aches and pains
you're getting older. But actually you

1108
01:30:03.960 --> 01:30:09.800
said, sometimes enough of those symptoms
come to in a cluster. Then it's

1109
01:30:09.880 --> 01:30:13.039
time to go see your doctor.
And see going to see your doctor and

1110
01:30:13.199 --> 01:30:15.399
just have the conversation like this said. There is no real test, but

1111
01:30:15.479 --> 01:30:19.119
they can check your hormone levels.
I believe, okay to be all to

1112
01:30:20.199 --> 01:30:26.600
determine. Yes, sometimes it could
be just our process of aging. And

1113
01:30:26.720 --> 01:30:30.800
like you meant earlier menopause, perimenopause, you can start at early as thirty.

1114
01:30:31.119 --> 01:30:36.399
Yeah, yeah, no longer.
It's not the old people's illness,

1115
01:30:36.479 --> 01:30:42.479
as I was once told. Indeed, I have a question. Go ahead,

1116
01:30:42.520 --> 01:30:44.680
Patrick, go ahead. I have
a question. Because you said your

1117
01:30:44.720 --> 01:30:47.159
husband would just say something and you
would just start crying. So I know

1118
01:30:47.199 --> 01:30:49.520
we're kind of jumping ahead, but
because it just popped in my head,

1119
01:30:49.600 --> 01:30:55.920
like how how has your husband and
your two boys? How old are your

1120
01:30:55.920 --> 01:30:59.960
boys? Of your mind saying seventeen
and thirteen? Oh wow, so they've

1121
01:31:00.239 --> 01:31:06.800
okay, see they're not even they're
teenagers. How have they adjusted amazingly?

1122
01:31:08.600 --> 01:31:14.000
You know what? I am so
blessed. I am so blessed because even

1123
01:31:14.079 --> 01:31:17.239
I wouldn't live with me. Well
that's how I'm asking, because I'm like,

1124
01:31:17.520 --> 01:31:20.439
I'm thinking, like, Lord,
have mercy. I'm trying to think

1125
01:31:20.520 --> 01:31:24.199
like Okay, what how do I
do I just say nothing? Do I

1126
01:31:24.279 --> 01:31:27.960
walk away? Do I just be
comforting? Do I just you know,

1127
01:31:28.840 --> 01:31:30.920
don't don't Like I have thick skin, so you know, it's not like

1128
01:31:31.000 --> 01:31:34.399
it's going to affect my wife is
And I say this to my wife is

1129
01:31:34.439 --> 01:31:38.800
emotional already as it is, so
I'm used to it. That's she's from

1130
01:31:38.800 --> 01:31:41.800
the South, She's from Alabama,
so she's just got I call my little

1131
01:31:41.840 --> 01:31:45.720
Southern firecracker. So that's what I
called a firecracker. I call it the

1132
01:31:45.800 --> 01:31:49.800
Southern firecracker from Yeah. But so
that's what I was I was just wondering,

1133
01:31:49.840 --> 01:31:56.000
how you know, like has been
hard for them or do you see

1134
01:31:56.079 --> 01:32:01.000
them being more mindful to you because
of they know that you're going through what

1135
01:32:01.079 --> 01:32:06.239
you're going through they have it's been
all of that. Well, my husband,

1136
01:32:06.279 --> 01:32:12.000
when the doctor said I think you
need to go, I would suggest

1137
01:32:12.079 --> 01:32:15.439
maybe we try HRT. As soon
as I walked out, got in the

1138
01:32:15.520 --> 01:32:21.359
car, text him. Doctor's given
me HRT reason perimenopause. Sent him a

1139
01:32:21.439 --> 01:32:27.159
link. Please read this when you
get home. Let's have a conversation.

1140
01:32:27.760 --> 01:32:31.760
There you go and communication and he
read and we talked about it and I

1141
01:32:31.880 --> 01:32:35.840
explained, you know, I'm looking
at the symptom checker and I've ticked it

1142
01:32:36.000 --> 01:32:43.520
and actually now there are several things
that are clicking in place that I can

1143
01:32:43.600 --> 01:32:45.800
be snappy. I'm in emotional and
the children say, oh, where's our

1144
01:32:45.840 --> 01:32:49.239
mum gone. She's never seems happy. Everything we seem to do upsets her.

1145
01:32:49.319 --> 01:32:55.039
Now what's going on to me?
And my husband talked a lot and

1146
01:32:55.319 --> 01:32:58.079
through that we then said, look, let's call the boys in. And

1147
01:32:58.199 --> 01:33:01.880
we call the boys over and I
said, Mum's perimenopause. This is what

1148
01:33:02.039 --> 01:33:05.680
it means, this is what it's
This is a journey I'm going through.

1149
01:33:06.319 --> 01:33:09.520
There will be days that are good
days, I call it, and there

1150
01:33:09.560 --> 01:33:15.720
are days that are just Plathora plateau, and there are down days. But

1151
01:33:15.880 --> 01:33:20.159
what I want you to all know
is I still love you unconditionally and we

1152
01:33:20.239 --> 01:33:25.439
will get through this. If you
will help me get through it, excuse

1153
01:33:25.439 --> 01:33:30.640
me. Then I've sent the boys
links to read on it, and they

1154
01:33:30.640 --> 01:33:35.319
are very mindful of if I'm having
a bad day, which a couple of

1155
01:33:35.359 --> 01:33:41.279
weeks back, sorry, I had
my husband gone up to work, called

1156
01:33:41.359 --> 01:33:44.359
him and spoke to him at the
weekend, and then I finished a call

1157
01:33:45.239 --> 01:33:49.960
and I just felt really weak and
dark, really sad, all of a

1158
01:33:50.000 --> 01:33:54.439
sudden, out of nowhere. Nothing
my husband has said saddened me. Nothing

1159
01:33:54.479 --> 01:33:58.359
in that conversation. And I said
to the boys, look, i just

1160
01:33:58.439 --> 01:34:00.239
need to go into my room for
a bit. I'm going to close the

1161
01:34:00.279 --> 01:34:04.039
door. I'm switching off my phone. If anyone calls, I'm not here,

1162
01:34:04.960 --> 01:34:08.800
and if it's an emergency, you
can wake me up, but just

1163
01:34:08.920 --> 01:34:16.079
leave me alone for a while.
They did. They understood because by allowing

1164
01:34:16.119 --> 01:34:19.960
me to have that hour, you
know, two hours on my own to

1165
01:34:20.119 --> 01:34:26.600
just sleep off whatever was happening to
my body. I came out right,

1166
01:34:26.760 --> 01:34:28.760
what's the what have you got homework
done? Do you need this? Do

1167
01:34:28.840 --> 01:34:32.079
you need that? They're very aware
when my mood goes up and down.

1168
01:34:32.880 --> 01:34:38.760
And that's the blessing I can have
is their understanding about it. And I

1169
01:34:38.880 --> 01:34:43.680
say it to men, now,
if you see your partner is changing in

1170
01:34:43.880 --> 01:34:50.840
their mannerism, in anything, there
behavior have the conversation. And women be

1171
01:34:51.039 --> 01:34:56.960
more open to our partners, our
male partners, because it's so important that

1172
01:34:57.159 --> 01:35:01.199
they are let into this journey,
because it's a journey they're going to go

1173
01:35:01.319 --> 01:35:08.760
through together. It's not like my
own, it's our journey. I like

1174
01:35:08.840 --> 01:35:13.199
that just saying that because I think
in general, as couples or partners,

1175
01:35:13.520 --> 01:35:16.479
we don't communicate what's going on in
our lives. I like that you said

1176
01:35:16.520 --> 01:35:19.960
that that you did that, and
that you called the boys and then explain

1177
01:35:20.000 --> 01:35:25.960
it to them because we I think
sometimes as a ventist I'm talking about from

1178
01:35:26.199 --> 01:35:29.520
my experience, we don't like to
talk about things. We just or Mimi's

1179
01:35:29.520 --> 01:35:31.359
okay, she's just having a bad
day, but we don't say why,

1180
01:35:31.720 --> 01:35:35.319
and so then the child's like,
okay, what's that's that's what a bad

1181
01:35:35.399 --> 01:35:38.439
day is. So now they think, okay, when I have a bad

1182
01:35:38.479 --> 01:35:42.359
day, the act fact same way. So they act, they imitate what

1183
01:35:42.560 --> 01:35:45.399
we do. But if they understand
what we're why we're doing what we do,

1184
01:35:46.039 --> 01:35:50.760
then they can better adjust. Because
children nowadays specially are much more resilient

1185
01:35:50.880 --> 01:35:56.479
and much more understanding of what we're
going through as parents than you know.

1186
01:35:57.239 --> 01:35:59.600
So I like I like that you
said that, you said that that your

1187
01:35:59.600 --> 01:36:04.199
committed, because that's the key word
it is educating. We all need educating

1188
01:36:04.279 --> 01:36:10.359
more. I like that you have
not You've not underestimated that the young your

1189
01:36:10.479 --> 01:36:14.199
young boys, your sons, can
be part of the journey that they will

1190
01:36:14.239 --> 01:36:18.279
be able to understand and and have
compassion for you, because sometimes we think

1191
01:36:18.319 --> 01:36:25.560
they're too young to include them,
they won't understand or you know, it's

1192
01:36:25.720 --> 01:36:32.920
it's it's it's not children, it's
not a child's it's your place, you

1193
01:36:33.000 --> 01:36:39.359
know. But this is famous word, this is business, that's it.

1194
01:36:42.079 --> 01:36:46.880
But yeah, we have to include
them in the conversation, whether you sort

1195
01:36:46.920 --> 01:36:53.079
of you know, change the wedding
or whatever it is to get the point

1196
01:36:53.119 --> 01:36:56.520
across. But of course we can
have a conversation with them because, as

1197
01:36:56.560 --> 01:36:59.920
you said, maybe they are part
of the journey. They are, well,

1198
01:37:00.119 --> 01:37:03.800
they're still under your roof together.
They've got to help understand what you're

1199
01:37:03.840 --> 01:37:08.680
going through. It's not fair.
And I think that goes back to why

1200
01:37:09.399 --> 01:37:15.279
I maybe never knew much about it
as a young person going up because it's

1201
01:37:15.279 --> 01:37:21.199
adult conversation. That's adult thing.
But is it really They've been taught life

1202
01:37:21.319 --> 01:37:26.800
education, sex education in schools.
I'm now advocating they need to even add

1203
01:37:26.840 --> 01:37:32.159
the topic of menopause in there so
to raise awareness. Don't get to my

1204
01:37:32.359 --> 01:37:38.680
age get hit by perimenopause. And
now I'm reading every little nook and cranny

1205
01:37:38.800 --> 01:37:44.720
and understanding more, which is fine
because actually now that is my life's purpose

1206
01:37:45.640 --> 01:37:50.920
is to advocate for more women and
men as a whole world. Let's understand

1207
01:37:50.960 --> 01:37:57.239
what perimenopause, menopause is all about. It's not an illness. It's part

1208
01:37:57.319 --> 01:38:01.800
of the woman lot. I just
had a question. I had another question

1209
01:38:01.800 --> 01:38:05.920
that papped in my head. So
you you started perimenopause, yes, so

1210
01:38:09.279 --> 01:38:14.319
does it turn into full blown menopause
at some point or I just thought about

1211
01:38:14.479 --> 01:38:17.439
like when you because you kept saying
perimenopause. So like menopause as a word

1212
01:38:17.760 --> 01:38:23.159
is what we use to as a
general word for the perimenopause. So you

1213
01:38:23.239 --> 01:38:27.199
start at perimenopause, and the menopause
is when you've not had a period,

1214
01:38:27.880 --> 01:38:31.560
gotcha. Okay, yeah, after
twelve months or something I think as the

1215
01:38:31.720 --> 01:38:35.560
umbrella of it all. Okay,
does that make sense? Yeah, I'm

1216
01:38:35.560 --> 01:38:41.840
trying to, Like I said,
I'm I don't know, so I'm information

1217
01:38:42.039 --> 01:38:46.319
so you know, I want to
know for future because you know, I

1218
01:38:46.439 --> 01:38:49.640
know I'm be dealing with it soon. So at some point, So I

1219
01:38:49.680 --> 01:38:51.600
don't want to get away with my
wife's age, but you know, I

1220
01:38:51.680 --> 01:38:55.800
know I'm going to be dealing with
it at some point. So it's good

1221
01:38:55.840 --> 01:38:59.439
to know that have an idea,
you know, you know so absolutely,

1222
01:38:59.520 --> 01:39:01.239
and we get talking about it now, So like people that are listening can

1223
01:39:02.279 --> 01:39:05.279
if you can, start talking about
it now because this is what we're talking

1224
01:39:05.720 --> 01:39:09.439
talking about it now, so that
when it does happen, you already kind

1225
01:39:09.479 --> 01:39:13.159
of have a foot in the door
where you kind of know this was good.

1226
01:39:13.239 --> 01:39:15.800
We knew that this was going to
happen. We can communicate, we

1227
01:39:15.880 --> 01:39:23.359
can talk so absolutely. So it
brings me also nice into thinking about So

1228
01:39:23.439 --> 01:39:25.600
you've talked about a couple of things
that could be helpful. What kind of

1229
01:39:25.680 --> 01:39:30.239
things are helpful? Are there any
kind of particular whether it's we talk.

1230
01:39:30.800 --> 01:39:32.439
You know, the word self care
is a bit of a buzzword these days,

1231
01:39:32.479 --> 01:39:38.159
but you know, in big proponent
of that, are there any particular

1232
01:39:38.199 --> 01:39:42.920
things that are going to be really
helpful for dealing with perimenopause or menopause or

1233
01:39:42.960 --> 01:39:45.840
symptoms that women have. No,
I know, everybody's unique, so I

1234
01:39:45.880 --> 01:39:47.600
think things are going to be very
different for each person. But what kind

1235
01:39:47.600 --> 01:39:51.159
of things have you found either been
helpful for yourself or have been helpful for

1236
01:39:51.279 --> 01:39:55.640
women that you've spoken to? You've
mentioned about going for long walks, and

1237
01:39:56.000 --> 01:40:00.319
we're taking a break from things.
Is there anything else I think from the

1238
01:40:00.399 --> 01:40:08.560
biggest thing has revaluate my lifestyle.
I didn't sleep properly. I have really

1239
01:40:08.600 --> 01:40:17.760
bad sleep health. Now by ten
ten thirty everything is off. If I

1240
01:40:17.800 --> 01:40:24.840
can't sleep, I read and then
fall asleep, wake up and try and

1241
01:40:24.960 --> 01:40:30.479
be active, whether it's a thirty
minute exercise or a thirty minute walk around

1242
01:40:30.319 --> 01:40:39.439
my area. It's review how I
eat, what I eat, my alcohol

1243
01:40:39.520 --> 01:40:45.319
intake. It's you know what I
say, review your lifestyle properly, like

1244
01:40:45.520 --> 01:40:49.960
really address what you eat when you
eat. Had I known about done my

1245
01:40:50.079 --> 01:40:55.600
research a bit more beforehand, I
think I would have looked at my lifestyle

1246
01:40:56.119 --> 01:41:01.239
two years before it, because then
I would have generally a consistent pattern of

1247
01:41:01.399 --> 01:41:06.520
life in my behavior of my lifestyle. Now, I'm now teaching myself to

1248
01:41:06.600 --> 01:41:11.880
say, well, no, you
can't have those suites that used to or

1249
01:41:11.920 --> 01:41:14.279
a borrow of chocolate. You can
sit there with a glass of wine in

1250
01:41:14.319 --> 01:41:17.640
the evening and here or they'll you
know, drinking champagne every twenty four hours

1251
01:41:17.680 --> 01:41:23.039
you're on parties. No, I've
had to readdress it and I work from

1252
01:41:23.119 --> 01:41:29.079
home remotely so my job predominantly is
sitting down. I've now learned at least

1253
01:41:29.520 --> 01:41:34.520
within the hour, I'm up and
stamping for five minutes. Movement is key

1254
01:41:35.359 --> 01:41:43.279
in helping us. Finding what gives
you joy is so important, and that

1255
01:41:43.479 --> 01:41:46.399
can be a walk around the block. It could be the long walks,

1256
01:41:46.439 --> 01:41:51.000
it could be the short walks.
It's about being moved mobile, that's the

1257
01:41:51.079 --> 01:41:56.600
key thing. And looking at our
lifestyle because you know, you can go

1258
01:41:56.720 --> 01:42:00.600
on this fad die that fad diet. It's more about how you look after

1259
01:42:00.720 --> 01:42:04.840
yourself, and self care is so
important. It's the key thing. It's

1260
01:42:04.880 --> 01:42:11.359
the fundamental process of us getting through
this journey in a way that's more manageable

1261
01:42:11.840 --> 01:42:18.239
for all of us. Yeah,
and other particular are the particular resources that

1262
01:42:18.319 --> 01:42:23.159
are available out there. So you
know, if I'm as we've said,

1263
01:42:23.159 --> 01:42:25.159
you know, we've all kind of
we've been talking a little bit about how

1264
01:42:25.279 --> 01:42:29.159
people don't necessarily know or if they
do know a bit, they need to

1265
01:42:29.279 --> 01:42:32.359
research a little bit more in preparation. Where does one go. Obviously you

1266
01:42:32.439 --> 01:42:34.199
talk to you, I know you
go to a GP, but are there

1267
01:42:34.279 --> 01:42:39.920
other resources that we can get this
information from? You mentioned the book earlier

1268
01:42:40.600 --> 01:42:45.840
that you're reading, and this website, I've got a page on menopause.

1269
01:42:45.520 --> 01:42:51.319
There is, I mean everyone knows
doctor Louise Nuisan, who is the menopause

1270
01:42:51.399 --> 01:42:56.520
doctor. She wrote the Menopause Manual. She's also, i believe, the

1271
01:42:56.640 --> 01:43:02.880
court co founder of the Balance app
Balanced Menopause. Yes, yes, really

1272
01:43:03.119 --> 01:43:10.119
great. The British menopause societies out
there. There is the Menopause Charity.

1273
01:43:12.920 --> 01:43:16.600
Yeah. The book I'm currently reading
is The Natural Menopause Method by Karen Newman

1274
01:43:17.760 --> 01:43:25.000
Newb sorry Newb. And then actually
doctor Louis Newson herself, Louis Newsen wrote

1275
01:43:25.239 --> 01:43:30.920
Preparing for the Peri Menopause and the
Menopause. Okay, so there's quite a

1276
01:43:30.960 --> 01:43:34.000
few things out there, you know. And then there's also the National Institute

1277
01:43:34.039 --> 01:43:41.840
of Health Cares. Nice, right, Yes, my website I've got you

1278
01:43:41.920 --> 01:43:45.239
know, tips on there. Okay. Instagram is full of it now,

1279
01:43:45.640 --> 01:43:47.439
Yes, I've noticed. I've noticed
that, and it's it's quite interesting.

1280
01:43:47.479 --> 01:43:51.079
I mean, I guess there are
people can make content about anything, but

1281
01:43:51.159 --> 01:43:57.279
actually there's been I follow quite a
few accounts where they are talking about that.

1282
01:43:57.319 --> 01:43:59.880
And actually, you know, that's
been quite a learning experience for me

1283
01:44:00.159 --> 01:44:02.720
because there's been some unusual symptoms that
I would just be like, oh,

1284
01:44:02.960 --> 01:44:05.840
this makes so much more sense.
Now, just give me a bit of

1285
01:44:05.880 --> 01:44:11.199
a picture. And I think there's
also something in the idea of community as

1286
01:44:11.199 --> 01:44:15.640
well, coming together where you realize
we're not alone in this. And that

1287
01:44:15.680 --> 01:44:17.840
sounds almost ridiculous to even say that, because there are millions of women around

1288
01:44:17.840 --> 01:44:20.319
the world and this is a natural
press that we're going to go to,

1289
01:44:20.560 --> 01:44:26.800
but it can still be a very
lonely place, so you know, to

1290
01:44:26.960 --> 01:44:30.079
know that there is there is a
community of people out there talking about it

1291
01:44:30.239 --> 01:44:32.560
and what have you. So I
would definitely, you know, encourage anybody

1292
01:44:32.680 --> 01:44:36.239
who is starting to kind of wonder. And it could just be the fact

1293
01:44:36.239 --> 01:44:40.159
that you're getting older and it's your
age, but if you're experiencing some of

1294
01:44:40.239 --> 01:44:45.319
these things, definitely there is resources
and services out there that can support you.

1295
01:44:47.479 --> 01:44:49.520
Now you know, I'm going to
access question because I'm a guy.

1296
01:44:50.039 --> 01:44:56.039
I got to access question, and
I'm not asking you personally. Someone did

1297
01:44:56.119 --> 01:45:00.600
think I'm asking you to be by
you, But how does it affect intimacy?

1298
01:45:01.319 --> 01:45:06.520
That's the best way I could put
it. From your from your your

1299
01:45:08.840 --> 01:45:12.960
from your gathered research and what you
gathered like I said, I don't want

1300
01:45:13.000 --> 01:45:16.680
to do you some something. It
doesn't you know, there is this myth

1301
01:45:16.760 --> 01:45:24.840
that menopause sex life. No,
it's true and it's not true. You

1302
01:45:24.920 --> 01:45:29.720
know, women do you get vaginal
dryness, irritable and fatigue. You know,

1303
01:45:29.920 --> 01:45:34.119
when you're fatigued, the last time
thing you have energy for is yeah,

1304
01:45:34.399 --> 01:45:38.920
rump a pump in the garden,
the you know bedroom, because you're

1305
01:45:38.960 --> 01:45:46.560
tired, your emotional as well,
your emotionally drained and emotionally down. However,

1306
01:45:46.800 --> 01:45:50.920
I have heard for some women it
has exasturbated. Yes, start to

1307
01:45:50.960 --> 01:45:54.560
buy it was saying that, actually, yeah, she was saying that for

1308
01:45:54.680 --> 01:46:00.680
some yep, increases it. Yeah, it decreases it. Yeah. But

1309
01:46:00.800 --> 01:46:03.279
then for those who have said it
has decreased it for them, it's because

1310
01:46:03.359 --> 01:46:06.000
you know, when they talk,
when you talk further about about it,

1311
01:46:06.079 --> 01:46:13.600
it's feeling tired, feeling emotionally drained, and just not feeling able to connect

1312
01:46:14.039 --> 01:46:17.479
with their partner. Not because their
partner has done anything wrong, but they

1313
01:46:17.640 --> 01:46:24.760
themselves cannot connect. Okay, I
had to act. I'm sorry, my

1314
01:46:24.840 --> 01:46:30.479
guy, please ask to ask you. For many a guides who knew that

1315
01:46:30.560 --> 01:46:36.199
question was coming from me, she
just was like they organize that question,

1316
01:46:38.159 --> 01:46:39.960
but I don think I want to
touch it. And we're coming to the

1317
01:46:40.159 --> 01:46:45.159
end now because time is fast spent
as usual. Obviously, women make a

1318
01:46:45.279 --> 01:46:48.800
big proportion of the workforce, and
I know it can impact our workplaces,

1319
01:46:48.840 --> 01:46:53.119
and I'm kind of again, looky
that sort of you know, many companies

1320
01:46:53.199 --> 01:46:56.960
are starting to kind of recognize that
this is a challenge for some of their

1321
01:46:57.000 --> 01:47:00.079
workforce and putting in place policies.
I know at my workplace there is one

1322
01:47:00.399 --> 01:47:03.920
which I was really surprised to see, very glad to see it actually,

1323
01:47:03.960 --> 01:47:08.560
because you know, it's part of
I guess it's part of the inclusivity,

1324
01:47:09.159 --> 01:47:14.359
equality, et cetera. Sort of
remit there is that something that you're seeing

1325
01:47:14.479 --> 01:47:17.199
more of. Obviously you work within
your your your you know you're a practitioner,

1326
01:47:17.319 --> 01:47:21.800
a facilitator in your workplace. Is
that you're seeing a lot more.

1327
01:47:23.039 --> 01:47:26.039
They're trying to encourage that a lot
more. Yeah, my company in the

1328
01:47:26.079 --> 01:47:31.039
Short Trust recently were given accreditation as
a menopause friendly company. Wow. Okay,

1329
01:47:31.199 --> 01:47:38.680
And that's so key because it recognizes
the journey we're going through. So

1330
01:47:39.000 --> 01:47:43.520
I believe even on the HR link, there is a if you need time

1331
01:47:43.680 --> 01:47:47.399
off for menopause. It's recognized.
If you need adjustments for work, it's

1332
01:47:47.479 --> 01:47:55.279
recognized because we do notice, you
know, you lose your memory, brain

1333
01:47:55.359 --> 01:47:59.600
fog comes in. I know for
me, I started doubting my ability and

1334
01:47:59.640 --> 01:48:01.600
my job, which I don't know
what, you know it was part of

1335
01:48:01.720 --> 01:48:04.880
I do believe it's part of the
menopause where I doubt in my strength and

1336
01:48:04.960 --> 01:48:08.880
my capability of doing my job.
And I'm constantly going back to the manager

1337
01:48:09.520 --> 01:48:13.840
to get reassurance, which I've never
in my career really required reassurance. I

1338
01:48:14.000 --> 01:48:18.000
know my worth and my capability,
but suddenly I'd lost that. So for

1339
01:48:18.119 --> 01:48:21.399
me, I'm very much advocating it. I don't think a lot of businesses

1340
01:48:23.600 --> 01:48:28.560
can see the benefits of it yet, similar to women, you know,

1341
01:48:28.680 --> 01:48:30.680
being pregnant and going off for maternity
leave, it took a long while,

1342
01:48:30.800 --> 01:48:34.520
and you know there are things,
you know, there are people out there

1343
01:48:34.640 --> 01:48:42.239
championing that more companies are credited and
recognized menopause as part of women's health as

1344
01:48:42.319 --> 01:48:45.119
a whole. And you know,
the more we can talk about, the

1345
01:48:45.560 --> 01:48:51.520
have the conversation, educate people,
it will happen. Yeah. Cool cool.

1346
01:48:53.399 --> 01:48:56.680
As for usual, we're kind of
running ass. It's always the way

1347
01:48:56.840 --> 01:49:00.840
we start talking about every topic,
and there's always so much, so much

1348
01:49:00.920 --> 01:49:04.039
as we could cover on this.
So I always always say there's always gonna

1349
01:49:04.039 --> 01:49:08.840
be a part two, potentially a
part three, but ultimately is about continuing

1350
01:49:08.880 --> 01:49:13.640
the conversation. I guess if we're
going to think about obviously we're talking about

1351
01:49:13.680 --> 01:49:16.840
lifestyles as well. I mean,
you know, for many of our listeners

1352
01:49:16.880 --> 01:49:20.720
are Christians, having their spiritual life
must play a big part in this.

1353
01:49:23.119 --> 01:49:27.399
And you know, the things that
you said bring you joy, So if

1354
01:49:27.439 --> 01:49:31.439
there's things like prayer, singing music, you know, being out of do

1355
01:49:31.479 --> 01:49:34.520
you talk about being outside, being
out of nature, All these things can

1356
01:49:34.920 --> 01:49:40.319
make a big difference. So I
would really encourage anybody out any women out

1357
01:49:40.359 --> 01:49:43.399
there, to really find those things. You know, sometimes just taking the

1358
01:49:43.439 --> 01:49:45.680
time out and finding some peace sounds
like that's actually going to be very very

1359
01:49:45.720 --> 01:49:49.840
beneficial for many different things as well, but especially in this life as well.

1360
01:49:51.279 --> 01:49:54.640
If there's the kind of one thing
that you really wanted to highlight,

1361
01:49:54.720 --> 01:49:58.479
may this as kind of as a
clothing closing thought, what would that be

1362
01:49:58.840 --> 01:50:03.439
for any women out there who are
starting to experience I'm saying starting to experience

1363
01:50:03.720 --> 01:50:08.960
women who maybe have not got there
or starting to experience, or maybe going

1364
01:50:08.960 --> 01:50:12.359
to have the unside. How can
we be talking about something we're talking about

1365
01:50:12.359 --> 01:50:16.039
connecting and supporting and having a conversation. What would be your kind of closing

1366
01:50:16.119 --> 01:50:21.119
thoughts on that? You are not
on your own? Okay, it's key

1367
01:50:23.079 --> 01:50:26.479
because it feels like you're on your
own when you're going through it. You

1368
01:50:26.600 --> 01:50:30.680
are not on your own. Reach
out. There is no such thing as

1369
01:50:30.720 --> 01:50:36.119
a silly question. Every question is
important to find out more. Talk to

1370
01:50:36.279 --> 01:50:41.640
others around you. If you know
someone experiencing it, reach out and get

1371
01:50:41.680 --> 01:50:44.439
the support. There's so much online, there's so much on social media.

1372
01:50:45.159 --> 01:50:49.479
It is not. Every journey is
individual. No one menopause perimenopause is the

1373
01:50:49.560 --> 01:50:55.319
same. It's it's an individual journey, so how you navigate through it will

1374
01:50:55.319 --> 01:50:58.520
be different from how someone else is. I can't tell you you do this,

1375
01:50:58.720 --> 01:51:00.439
do this, do that, because
I can only tell you from my

1376
01:51:00.600 --> 01:51:03.359
experience. But what I want everyone
to know is you're not on your own.

1377
01:51:03.600 --> 01:51:06.399
Please do not sit there on your
own. Reach out and get the

1378
01:51:06.520 --> 01:51:13.439
help, get the support you need, and talk. No, that's perfect.

1379
01:51:13.600 --> 01:51:15.359
So I want to thank you so
much. Maybe it's for joining us.

1380
01:51:15.720 --> 01:51:18.560
We'll definitely have to get you back
on again because there's so much more

1381
01:51:18.600 --> 01:51:23.640
we could I'm sure talk about this
because I guess it's as you said,

1382
01:51:23.680 --> 01:51:26.920
it's so unique, and I guess
any kind of you know, going forward,

1383
01:51:26.960 --> 01:51:29.479
any tips or any things that we
can learn, because it's about learning

1384
01:51:29.520 --> 01:51:32.960
from each other, you know,
So there's a lot more that we could

1385
01:51:33.000 --> 01:51:35.479
talk about this. So I do
thank you so much for your time,

1386
01:51:36.000 --> 01:51:40.800
but I thank everybody for joining us
on talking point. Our time has been

1387
01:51:40.880 --> 01:51:43.920
spent well. There's a lot to
be learning here, and I just want

1388
01:51:43.960 --> 01:51:46.600
to encourage everybody who is this thing
that has maybe said you're not alone,

1389
01:51:46.640 --> 01:51:49.880
and ultimately we have God on our
side as well. God is going to

1390
01:51:50.079 --> 01:51:53.359
And I always love that text.
I think it is Isai forty one,

1391
01:51:53.800 --> 01:51:57.920
verse ten that says that God is
watching over yous. I think it's that

1392
01:51:58.000 --> 01:52:02.279
one one I can ever remember.
But the concept of God upholding you with

1393
01:52:02.399 --> 01:52:06.079
his righteous right hand. I love
the idea that we've been cradled, we've

1394
01:52:06.119 --> 01:52:11.680
been held, and we're here to
support each other and God's got our back

1395
01:52:11.760 --> 01:52:15.199
ultimately as well. So I want
to thank you all for joining us on

1396
01:52:15.399 --> 01:52:20.840
talking point. We've come to the
end of October, at the end of

1397
01:52:20.920 --> 01:52:25.319
our Black History months, so we've
been celebrating our sisters, and throughout this

1398
01:52:25.439 --> 01:52:29.039
month we've had some amazing women who
it has some amazing work yourself, including

1399
01:52:29.079 --> 01:52:31.359
maybe so thank you so much,
and also big thank you for doctor Baino

1400
01:52:31.479 --> 01:52:36.199
as well Sunning herself probably in sunny
Barbados. I'm not envious at all,

1401
01:52:36.880 --> 01:52:43.840
but so we're gonna say goodbye,
thank you for joining us. We're coming

1402
01:52:43.880 --> 01:52:46.560
into November, which is going to
be our men's month, I do believe,

1403
01:52:46.800 --> 01:52:50.199
so, Pedro, We're going to
be handing the reins over to you

1404
01:52:50.319 --> 01:52:55.479
for some of this. We're gonna
be looking at some men's health issues and

1405
01:52:55.880 --> 01:52:59.279
again we want those men to have
those conversations. And I know, Pedro,

1406
01:52:59.399 --> 01:53:03.000
we often talk about saying that men
I'm not always talking as much as

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they should do in their own circles. We know they do, but we

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want we want to encourage it more. But we want obviously highlight things that

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men are finding challenging and how we
can be supportive with that. So there's

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there is maybe space to have another
menopause conversation from a man's perspective. Yes,

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it's very true. Just just just
with that in the mind. Yes,

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because they're I mean scared, scared
mind. There you go. I

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had a friend who listens to Dr
Bayno and that's what he said. He

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said, you know what, this
was just so eye opening, so informative,

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but there's so much more that he
wants to know. And yes,

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that's probably something that we can consider. Well maybe for next October to have

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the men sort of tackle that conversation, because yeah, we all need to

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have it. Definitely cool. Alrighty, so thank you want me to pray,

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yes, pasure if you could do
that, be fantastic. All right,

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Heaveny Father, we thank you for
this opportunity of given us to have

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the discussion about women and the things
that they go through. We ask Lord

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that we and everything you do is
for a reason. Everything you have done

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and have made our bodies to do
is for a reason. So we ask

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Lord that you will continue to bless
us and be of us, and whatever

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issues we may have, continue to
guide us and lead us down the path

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that you want us to go.
And we ask Lord that you will continue

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to be with everyone at the sound
of my voice. But whatever issues they

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may be, going through that,
they may be able to turn to you

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and you will help them to get
through these issues. Thank you again for

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your loving, your mercy. Let
us all have a good week and come

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back next week. You're freshed and
ready to go for this our praying your

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Holy name. Amen. Amen,
thank you, it's been talking point,

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it's been wonderful. Thank for your
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