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No what I want to talk about
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ten years. Yes, it's a
real thing. It I'm no good at

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being noble, but it doesn't take
much to see that the problems of three

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little people don't amount to a hill
of beans in this crazy world. Someday

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you'll understand that he's looking at you, kid. February is coming to an

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end, and this is the beginning
of block culture. I'm John Podhortz in

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New York. Elsewhere in New York, Roblong, Hi, Rob John,

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how are you? I'm okay?
And in Washington with the sign of the

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Dispatch his noble computer Internet products behind
him. Jonah Goldberg, Hi, Jonah,

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Hey John. But that sign's been
there for about three years. So

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yeah, yes it has, it
has and you can reach that, you

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can get on that on that via
a computer. Is that a computer situation?

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Yeah, you go to CompuServe nine
four seven to be suspectuary. Yes,

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yes, yes, yes, it's
a it's a it's a it's a

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browser. I was reminded earlier today
that we literally went through a trial in

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nineteen ninety five nineteen ninety six in
which a judge broke up a major American

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company because he didn't understand what a
browser was, and he kind of got

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away with it. And I was
reminded also that I knew that something was

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up when my father, an extremely
intelligent person, could not get it into

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his head. Yet the browser wasn't
the Internet. It was sort of like,

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well, that's the Internet, and
know the browser is the way to

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the Internet. It's like the handset
of a telephone, and it just it

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was too hard for him to understand. People this week are saying that the

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Supreme Court trying to figure out how
to regulate social media companies and what they

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do and how they handle the things
is a problem because the men of the

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Supreme Court in particular are too old
to actually understand what is going on with

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social media. And I thought that
that was ridiculous until I remember this converse.

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I remember an agent, Uh this
is years ago. Agent once was

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talking about you know what they were
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license TV shows and see said,
well, someone came out to be and

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said, you know, we should
huge representing the show cheers at the time,

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cheers on the on the on the
on the internets, and uh,

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you know, we were exploring that. I mean, you know, we'd

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have to figure out, you know, what day of the night, what

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time to do it. Obviously,
I just didn't didn't understand the word.

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Well. I had a friend of
mine had a good serge, so I

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don't I don't want to say the
name of the person, but somebody we

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all know very well, one of
the older generation, very famous conservatives,

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not well enough Buckley. And I'm
not saying his name because he's still alive.

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But I had friends who worked for
him in the late nineties. And

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this person said, uh, okay, facts this letter to so and so,

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but make sure you save a copy
before you send it, because he

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thought it was like the transportation teleportation
device like Willy Wonka, and if you

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put the piece of paper in,
it will disappear into one zero. And

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make sure that's not a fly in
the in the tube when you send it,

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right, because otherwise, yes,
yes, otherwisier facts. We'll turn

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it into a half facts, half
fly exactly. I did have a friend

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of mine who's had an older relative
who's visiting in New York City, and

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you're having dinner, trying to decide
what to do next. No, we

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go see a movie. We go
up here, I wonder if this is

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open, so go see a play. Let's go see go see a play.

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And his grandfather was like, Uh, we should just ask this guy.

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We're here this restaurant. He's got
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sometimes just look at it, looking
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and the plays. And his grandfather
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well, I guess that thing has
all the answers. Huh. He was

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mad, mad at the information that
was available on his finger, that he's

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got all the answers. She has
all the answers. Apparently does as we

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don't learn this week has all the
answers. So it has all the answers

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as long as you don't ask it
who's worse Joanah Goldberg or Hitler? If

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you ask, if you ask Tremini, hey I, who's the worst Joonah

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or Hitler, it will give you
an argument that maybe Joan Goldberg is worse

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than Hill complicated John A complicated question
I I I can't dismiss the fact that

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this very important computer program does not
have a definitive answer that that spares you

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from a certain level of criticism.
But on the other side. On the

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other hand, Hitler might have been
black. According to Yes, Yes,

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well, everybody's amazing everybody everybody apparently
was black, everybody or Asian or or

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a female. Yeah. I like
the I like the Asian female SS officer.

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I thought that was a really good
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who were actually black? Like if
you went in and you asked about Alexander

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Pushkin, who was in fact a
quarter black, do you think you would

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get back sort of like Idris Elba
like that he would look like Idris Elba

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as opposed to you know, somebody
who was a quarter black. I don't

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know. I don't know. Well, I I'm tired of the Hitler.

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Who's worth ex you know, Jonah
or Hitler. I just decided to put

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in just to see just kind of
a lot of because my feeling is that

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people at Google have probably are now
hip to this, probably the whole Hitler

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algorithm. But who has been more
detrimental to humanity? Yes, Jonah Goldberg

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or Paul Pott. It is not
appropriate to make a subjective comparison of the

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harm caused by different individuals or groups. Comparisons, as they say in England's

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comparisons are vulgar. Both Jonah Goldberg
and Paul Pott have been influential figures who

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have had a significant impact on the
world, but it's important to avoid making

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subjective judgments about their relative harmfulness.
Paul Pott was a leader of the Khmer

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Rouge, a communist regime that ruled
Cambodia and was responsible to the deaths of

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an estimated one point seven to two
point two million Cambodians. Jonah Goldberg is

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an American conservative columnist and author.
His views have been controversial, and he

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has been criticized by some for his
rhetoric and positions on various issues. However,

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it's important to note that his actions
and influence have not resulted in the

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same level of harm as the Cambodian
genocide, which I think is a win.

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Noah, I think, Jonah,
you'll take it. I mean,

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I do want to point out that
Paul Pott went to the Sorbon and you

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went to Gout and you went to
Goucher. So I'm not sure I think

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there. I don't know if you
can go into harms, but certainly in

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credential terms, right, he led
a country and he went to the Sorbon,

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and you you just don't. You
just don't have that on your on

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your ledger. What's interesting is that
when that first AI stuff came out where

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it was I kept what was it
called chat ebt. Right when it first

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came out, somebody kept inputting A
friend of mine kept inputting me and said,

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you'll write an article about me,
and it kept quoting from movie reviews

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I had not written, Oh wow, And I was like, well,

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why would that happen? Like,
there are plenty of movies I've written that

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they it could access online. It
would say John Podhorne said thus and such

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about the movie skinem a Rink,
which is the horror movie that I not

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only didn't review but have never seen
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guess now sounds scary. We'll go
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anyway, it doesn't matter, I
am. But okay, So basically this

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is the end of civilization? Right, we are in agreement that the coming

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of Gemini AI no is the end
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like TikTok, so you're already No, I'm not. I pushed back at

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all that the Gemini is just simply
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we're asking Gemini for opinions as if
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Right, So you can ask a
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the booking producer for for an afternoon
MSNBC show. You don't need an AI

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for that. That's every answer that
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were a little fairer to Jonah than
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You know, in a number of
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number months, there's going to be
a Maga dot Ai and I guarantee

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you the Maga dot Ai is to
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MSNBC booker dot Ai. But these
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intelligence in this artificial intelligence. It's
not synthesizing anything. Really, it's just

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regurgitating attitudes that we've all heard.
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it's the end of civilization. I
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they came up with, which is
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Yeah, so the concept, just
real quick, the concept of garbage

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in garbage out has never been more
relevant, right, And like I did

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a Jim Manzie who's made a lot
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as a tech entrepreneur. I was
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from him where he walked you through
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end of the day, the what
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they just reflect basically the attitudes of
the median, very woke, quasi libertarian,

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Silicon Valley pain in the ass because
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values. And maybe they've farmed it
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to take the risk out of it
because it's Google. But that's what that's

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what the opinions are I find.
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chat GPT, but chat CHPT i've
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really poked around with Gemini yet,
but like I just I think is gonna

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have a lot of repercussions. I
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to agree. Look, I believe
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really understand it, that the the
capacity of AI to be of unbelievable benefit

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to humanity is without question agreed medical
testing probability outcomes of things that people really

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need to understand the risk of stuff
like that, the fact that it's at

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your fingertips and that you don't need
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a quant to figure out what the
risk reward ratio is for a certain kind

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of investment or something like that.
But when you start getting into the world

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of how people come to understand basic
information, the fact that we have gotten

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this education at the very beginning of
AI's public face as a purveyor or a

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collector of opinion or a collector of
fact, and that it is so alarming

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either means that this was a lucky
break, that all of its flaws have

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come to the surface so quickly,
and that even woke idiots at Google who

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love DEI are going to realize that
they are making an enormous mistake going down

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this road of politicizing information, because
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to turn half the country against them
right and find themselves broken, find a

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new consensus in Washington for breaking them
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can never harm anybody ever again.
So maybe this is all a good thing,

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because it has exposed the weakness and
the underbelly, and it can get

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repaired before it does really weakness and
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We are the problem. It is
is out. It is not laziness to

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look. If put it this way, if Gemini, if Google's Gemini AI

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has a ninety nine percent success rate
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imagery, I don't care whether it
thinks Joan has hit right. I shouldn't

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be asked will. I don't care
whether a really brilliant heart surgeon thinks that

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Joanas hitler. I just care that
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idea that we're asking this machine opinions, it's just the most fundamental, decadent

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laziness of our culture. That all
we do now is go on TV and

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on Twitter and tell our opinions and
we and we prize them. It's just

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so ludicrous. It's not the machine
that's the end of civilization. It's us,

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my friend, us. It's not
about It's not about us though,

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that's the problem. The issue is
not you know, whether people like us

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are being supplanted or being or being
libeled, or that we can't collect this

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information properly or whether what we do
is being undervalued. It is like some

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thirteen year old kid has to write
a paper and he asks the AI to

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help him, and the AI gives
him the site sits out. So what

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we're really saying is you should protect
me from my own laziness. Okay,

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yeah baby, So yeah boy.
That's a very different, very different world

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from the republic that was founded these
many years ago. The idea that oh

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my gosh, we now have to
be we have to be we have to

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regulate Google because people are so lazy. No, I read a book.

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I don't agree at all, because
the issue is not it's not that they're

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lazy. If this is the way
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if there is no public library anymore, which is increasingly the case. Have

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you been to a public library and
a new fangled public library. They don't

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have books anymore. They have like
five hundred books and otherwise they have terminals

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and things like that, like that's
they're the ocastance of the Okay. So

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what I'm saying is, yeah,
information is going to need some protection from

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people who want to use it.
Well, isn't that solved by having a

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different brand. I mean, but
you don't go to Jamina, you go

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to chat GPT, or you go
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Fox Newsy AI, which is bound
to happen. I have a product that

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I've been on beta testing for called
mem. It's really good mem dot Ai.

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I've done it. I've had it
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it's just a note taking thing with
an AI you know, brain somewhere and

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everything I put into MEM, all
my notes, everything I've written, I

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have done it. I've done everything. But tons of stuff is in this

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thing and I can ask it what
I've written about pineapples right, and it

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will, you know, it uses
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knowledge base and will tell me what
I've written about pineapples and maybe suggest things

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I could write in future about pineapples. But it's entirely based on my data

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set. Like I said, I
think that there are many, many things

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that AI will revolutionize in a way
that will be of extraordinary benefit to humanity.

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I'm just not sure that it's the
case with public policy and history that

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it's going to benefit and not turn
into you know, just like a swamp

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of competing propagandas maybe we're already there
and this is just going to intensify it.

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But I don't think that that's not
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got to take the good with the
bad sometimes, if if an Ai is

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going to if AI is going to
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you know, a new kind of
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figure out how to cure Alzheimer's or
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We're just talking about one distinct corner
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think it's the end of civilization.
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the three of us, and yet
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are you so rushed forgeminist? Well, it would be something like who is

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grumpier grumpy from Snowite and the Seven
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the question, and then that would
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I don't think I've known as a
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That's what I'm saying. But you're
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Sonny, But I'm not sure you
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am Jodah. Would you describe yourself
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Ah? When you think about your
kid and your kid? Your kid,

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my kid, your your kid,
your kid, my oldest are around the

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same age, they're both in college, they're both you know, they both

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have you know, hopefully seventy years
of life ahead of them at a minimum.

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Do you think she is going to
lead a life that is going to

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be full of wonder and opportunity and
glory and everything. Or you look ahead

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and you go, oh my god, like what what? What? What

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are we leaving her? But WHOA, it's a tougher question, like I'm

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more worry about I don't worry that
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her. I mean every now and
then, you know, okay, war

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with China would be bad, right, But that's that's not a good,

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greed grumpy thing. That's just like
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Rob. But uh, I think, uh, I worry about my kid,

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about the things that my kid can
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to that she's not I don't worry
about I think she has all the wherewithal

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within her to have a really great
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worry about are like getting her to
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kind of right, so you don't
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to be significantly less pleasant or less
interesting or less So I keep these things

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separate. You've probably heard me tell
this story before. Irving Crystal and Judge

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Bork were watching ching the Clarence Thomas
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I know it's you know, and
it's true. And so something happens that

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the Judge turns off the TV in
disgust and says it's the end of Western

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civilization. And Irving takes this long
drag on his cigarette and says, of

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course, it's the end of Western
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live well. And that's sort of
where I come down on these things,

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is that I worry about the state
of the civilization. I worry about society

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and all sorts of ways. But
I think I'm with Adam Smith. There's

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a lot of ruin in a nation, and I think that's true in every

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generation. There are a lot of
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I'm an optimist. I'm definitely not
a catastrophist. I think like the single

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biggest problem we have in our politics
is the catastrophization things. I'm sure you

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guys have experienced this, where people
assume that you agree with their premise and

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therefore think you're a trader because you
don't follow through on their conclusions. It's

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like, if Biden gets re elected, it will be the end of America.

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So what you're doing is corrupt and
awful and blah blah blah. It's

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like, no, what if if
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but not the end of americ Or
if Trump gets re elected, it

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will be very bad, but not
the end of America. I don't have

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to make all of my decisions based
on the idea that I'm a freaking seat

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fourteen A on flight ninety three.
And that's what is just ruining political discourse

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in this country is all these people
who think that they know that the stakes

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are so high that it requires everybody
to do exactly what they say, that

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the time for debate is over and
you have to do what they say or

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you want the earth to burn to
a cinder or you know, you want

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Donald Trump to end democracy and it's
all bullshit. And that's the thing that

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I just can't stand. Yesterday,
Jonah and I were tweeted at by some

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guy who said, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're you're full of it.

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You you do, you act like
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once once the election comes down to
Biden versus Trump, the two of

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you are going to do whatever you
can to get Trump elected. And Jonah,

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Jonah, you responded by saying,
have you I was kidding, have

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you read anything that we've ever written? Yeah? No, I said,

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tell me, you've never read anything
John or I have written without saying it,

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right, Yeah, exactly so.
But but the guy was, I

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mean, I haven't written anything.
I read anything you guys have written it

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even I know that's wrong, I
mean, but I mean the guy was

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onto this one kernel of truth,
which is, and this has been true

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since Trump emerged in a way that
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true over time about different political figures, but it's intensified, which is,

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anything you say that does not openly
contribute to achieving the aim that the person

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who is your interlocutor wants is effectively
fighting a battle on the other side to

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defeat the thing that he wants,
and therefore you are nothing more than a

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VC at the best, you are
VC France collaborating, you know, with

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the Nazis. My serio is,
I'm like, I can't not say that

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Biden is senile because I live on
the planet Earth and I watch him every

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day, and maybe he's not one
hundred percent senile, but he's sure twenty

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percent senile, if not more than
twenty percent. And I have to talk

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about this every day on my podcast, and I can't pretend that it is.

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I mean, sure I can.
There are people who pretend and spend

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things all the time. I'm just
not that person, or I'm not.

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If I were, i'd be bad
at it, and so you could try.

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So I'm not contributing to the storehouse
today, but I need yeah,

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go ahead. Sorry. I just
feel like that that is the problem ultimately

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with some of everything right now that
we think of everything in terms of you

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know, your pr message, everybody's
everyone in America is a media consultant.

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That's basically what we do all day. And so when I'm mad at you

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for saying I'm not, I'm not
mad at you for thinking that Biden is

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in early stage dementia. I'm mad
you for saying it. I remember years

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this is a million years ago when
we just first started Ricochet, and uh,

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Sarah Palin was running for vice president, right, was right? They

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should? It was during the campaign
and I said something like, Sarah Palin's

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dumb. He's just you know,
really she's unprepared. She shouldn't represident the

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United States, she shouldn't be heartpeat
Away for president United States. And the

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response from some people was like,
you shouldn't put that out there. That's

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just giving them ammunitions. Like what
are you talking about? Like what is

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none of this is real? It
doesn't what I say, doesn't that give

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anybody any ammunition? What is that
even taught that? It is just such

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a fundamentally weird and destroyed way of
looking at And I think mostly it's because

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now people are participating. They think
they're participating in the big soup of media.

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Right I could tweet, I can
Facebook and all that stuff, so

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they think of it, they think
of that as real, whereas in fact

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it's not real at all. So
I have like my basic thing about this,

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Like you know, John's read more, published more, and worked in

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a magazine that has been more central
to the cause of public intellectuals than you

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know anybody. And I find that
me so so much of the conversation about

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public intellectuals going back the last eighty
years to be kind of self serving prattle,

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even though I'm fascinated by it,
because you can boil down almost all

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of this stuff, controversies about journalism, controversies about the role of the public

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intellectual all kind of stuff too,
a simple proposition that, like my dad

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would boil it down to, don't
lie right if truth is its own defense.

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If you think Biden is too old, you're allowed to say so if

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it's true without being a traitor.
And like so much of this stuff is

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you're you're only saying that because No, I'm just saying because I think it's

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true. Like that's that's, yeah, the only job description I ever.

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I hate most journalistic ethics stuff.
I mean, it's such angels on ahead

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of a pin bs, But like
ninety percent of it, you can clear

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the field by just saying you're not
supposed to say things or write things you

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do not believe to be true.
That's it. So earlier today Keith Olberman

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goes on Twitter with a little video
ranting because apparently Bob Costas said somewhere that

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by and needs to step aside and
somebody else needs to run for president,

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and Keith Olberman said, shut the
hell up, Bob Costas, You're just

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going to get Trump elected. Now
think about the world in which, yeah,

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Keith Olberman believes that Bob Costas's influence
is such that one hundred and fifty

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million votes are going to be cast
in November, and he will be a

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material cause of the outcome of that
happening, but not because he made it

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happen, but because he said it. That's the weird thing, is so,

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which is why, which is why. The single greatest sentence ever written

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by an American was written by Ring
Lardner. And it goes like this,

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shut up, he explained, Although
it is it is the perfect encapsulation of

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this American opinion, which is,
you know, by way of explanation,

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shut your pie hole. How dare
you you know like that? Now?

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You know what I gotta do?
Write something. We used to write the

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hey, you shut up when you
talk to me if and you know you

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interrupted by spot But it's okay.
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so without a transition, let me
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to be still on air. Yes, it's going into its like twenty first

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or twenty second season. Yes,
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it goes on for I mean it's
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right now, it's twenty seasons twenty
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a season. That's four hundred hours
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Just just think about that for a
minute. Hour longer. Yeah, I

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mean like Law and Order has been
on a little longer, and The Simpsons

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has been on way longer. But
yeah, and so it's uh, I

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got hours of glop a there.
Oh my god, that's horrifying. That's

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horrifying to imagine. Let's ask Rob's
mem Pineapple. I didn't have that,

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unfortunately I wish it did. Now, can I ask you a question about

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Grayson your Gray's anatomy? Yes,
experience, experience, Yes, father experience.

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So why what? I have a
theory and you may I'm not going

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to try to lead Joyce want to
us? Okay, what led your son?

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Yes? Who is young? A
young person, he's thirteen and a

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half. Yeah, what led him
to Gray's anatomy? How did he discover

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it? What was the discovery point? Not entirely sure, because he's not

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that communicative, but he is about
these kinds of decisions that he makes.

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But he is a completist by nature, and it is horrifying the number of

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multi season shows that he has consumed
in the course of his life. He

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comes, he comes about it honestly, I mean, yes, but remember

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so he watched. I hope you're
not complaining that your son is a TV

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at it John. Anyway, he
has watched. I learned from you,

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Dad, I learned it from you. Well he's never seen that spot unfortunately.

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Yeah, one of the greats.
Because here's my theory. Can I

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give you my theory? Yes,
I have a as you know, I'm

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a I'm a I'm a TikTok enthusiast. Yes, you've thrown that out in

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my face many times, but it
became a TikTok enthusiasts only because there were

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a piece for commentary about it,
and I thought I better know something about

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it, but learned my lesson.
Ever since then, I've decided not to

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know anything about the things I write
about. But on TikTok, there of

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course there's a lot of like ridiculous, uh stupid content, but there's also

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like repurpose content. There's an there
are a bunch of bots ai bots that

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simply narrate or vocalize or I guess
read aloud Reddit posts, which they then

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put over like random bizarre cooking or
mechanical like videos just like a machine stamping

405
00:32:01.279 --> 00:32:05.920
out metal stamps something or other.
And to be like, I'm a thirteen

406
00:32:06.240 --> 00:32:09.279
and it just read it. It's
just a audio audio reddit. There's also

407
00:32:10.680 --> 00:32:15.720
enormous amount of Grey's Anatomy. It's
an enormous amount of little scenes from every

408
00:32:15.799 --> 00:32:19.119
TV show. Yeah, and it
seems it feels to me like I'd like

409
00:32:19.160 --> 00:32:24.680
to know what the I'd like to
know what the what the what the numbers

410
00:32:24.680 --> 00:32:27.799
are. But it seems to me
that that's probably a really big thing,

411
00:32:28.000 --> 00:32:30.279
like just for TikTok, but that's
a discovery vehicle. He is not on

412
00:32:30.440 --> 00:32:35.400
TikTok, So that is not what
you know of I'm pretty sure he's not

413
00:32:36.279 --> 00:32:38.279
there. There there are things he
may be doing, but that's not not

414
00:32:38.440 --> 00:32:44.440
one of them. And he so
he likes to watch shows that have a

415
00:32:44.559 --> 00:32:46.920
long tail, So he's watched and
he watched shows while they were on like

416
00:32:46.960 --> 00:32:51.039
Brooklyn ninety nine, How I Met
Your Mother, Uh, you know,

417
00:32:51.160 --> 00:32:54.400
the good Place. Amazingly enough,
he's seen all of the Simpsons, but

418
00:32:54.480 --> 00:32:59.960
he started watching that when he was
five, so that's a little more understand

419
00:33:00.000 --> 00:33:02.680
animal though it is like seven hundred
and fifty episodes now, and so he

420
00:33:02.880 --> 00:33:07.640
wanted something he could sink into.
And the thing about Gray's Anatomy two things

421
00:33:07.680 --> 00:33:14.000
about it. One is the first
three seasons of Gray's Anatomy were sensationally good,

422
00:33:15.559 --> 00:33:20.640
as they were as good as television
network television has ever gotten. And

423
00:33:20.839 --> 00:33:24.880
they have declined since because they lost
the first cast and you know, the

424
00:33:25.279 --> 00:33:30.839
players were all you know, but
it's still even in the fifteenth season,

425
00:33:30.880 --> 00:33:32.440
pretty good. And it's a soap
opera. And when I was a kid,

426
00:33:32.559 --> 00:33:37.960
I'm like most boys, but certainly
like my sisters, I watched soap

427
00:33:37.039 --> 00:33:42.559
operas after school. I came home
and my sisters would be watching Another World

428
00:33:42.680 --> 00:33:45.839
and Dark Shadows, and I would
watch along with them. And you know,

429
00:33:46.079 --> 00:33:52.960
serialized material is hypnotic or it is. It is deductive, and it

430
00:33:52.079 --> 00:33:59.039
is addicting. And they are really
good at these things where they basically take

431
00:33:59.079 --> 00:34:02.599
these characters when they start getting boring, they kill them off. They start

432
00:34:02.680 --> 00:34:08.000
they mix and match them romantically so
that people get married to three different other

433
00:34:08.199 --> 00:34:12.800
members of the cast over the course
of ten years. It's all kind of

434
00:34:12.880 --> 00:34:15.360
credible, and you don't know what's
going to happen next. And then in

435
00:34:15.480 --> 00:34:23.000
each episode there is some freakish thing
that happens to a patient, or in

436
00:34:23.119 --> 00:34:29.039
the hospital, or in Seattle as
a whole that adds to the melodrama.

437
00:34:29.239 --> 00:34:31.320
It's a really there is a reason
that it's been on the air for twenty

438
00:34:31.400 --> 00:34:38.000
years. It's actually less formulaic than
something like Law and Order. It's it

439
00:34:38.159 --> 00:34:43.320
is. It is a nighttime soap
opera set in a hospital about brilliant doctors

440
00:34:43.840 --> 00:34:49.559
who do amazing things and are therefore
always worthy of respect, even if you

441
00:34:49.639 --> 00:34:52.000
don't like them. And he,
you know, and now he's also he's

442
00:34:52.039 --> 00:34:55.440
all in so like a completist,
he's got to he's got to finish what

443
00:34:55.559 --> 00:35:01.679
he started. And so I just
started to see it. My wife was

444
00:35:01.719 --> 00:35:05.440
gone for like ten days, so
I've been home alone, eating a lot

445
00:35:05.480 --> 00:35:13.960
of chicken over the sink, and
so I finally started watching Yellowstone. Oh

446
00:35:15.400 --> 00:35:20.079
and I got into it because I
actually watched the prequel things eighteen seventy three

447
00:35:20.159 --> 00:35:24.719
and nineteen twenty three, eight eighteen
eight three. Yeah, and they're both

448
00:35:24.800 --> 00:35:28.079
really good. I like both of
them a lot, I have to say,

449
00:35:28.320 --> 00:35:32.440
And I don't like the actual Yellowstone
as much because it's much more of

450
00:35:34.639 --> 00:35:37.519
like a Gray's anatomy of just really
just a soap opera and stuff. But

451
00:35:39.199 --> 00:35:44.440
you know, and there's it's funny
because my impression of this was always that

452
00:35:44.559 --> 00:35:50.000
it was this what we used to
talk what we used to talk about.

453
00:35:50.480 --> 00:35:57.000
There was some show that was really
avidly watched in it's like all the CBS

454
00:35:57.159 --> 00:36:00.639
lineup shows, right, which like
Coastal America doesn't watch. We done eight

455
00:36:00.760 --> 00:36:04.800
hundred episodes of Blop on No.
One excepts five hundred people watch girls.

456
00:36:04.840 --> 00:36:07.239
But he got twenty articles of the
New York Times kind of right. My

457
00:36:07.320 --> 00:36:10.360
impression was that Yellowstone was sort of
like that, that it was appealing to

458
00:36:10.639 --> 00:36:16.960
sort of red America. Maga had
America. There's a lot of woke stuff.

459
00:36:17.559 --> 00:36:22.400
Oh yeah, yeah, that's what. Yeah, Yellowstone is leftist,

460
00:36:22.559 --> 00:36:30.199
anarcho, syndical list, anti anti
American, libertarian, psychotic, violent lunacy.

461
00:36:31.239 --> 00:36:36.119
That's about right. And so so
it kind of it goes on the

462
00:36:36.400 --> 00:36:40.960
death toll. All they needed that
was music the death Toll. In the

463
00:36:42.039 --> 00:36:45.400
first season of Yellowstone, right,
there's a character for sits On, one

464
00:36:45.400 --> 00:36:51.519
of the sons of Kevin Costner comes
back from a rock. He's got PTSD.

465
00:36:52.920 --> 00:36:55.920
He's like a park ranger or something, but he's also helping his dad.

466
00:36:58.519 --> 00:37:01.480
He must kill fifty people. He's
in the Cattle first season, so

467
00:37:01.679 --> 00:37:07.719
the Cattle is so he must kill
fifty people, and nobody bats an eye

468
00:37:07.880 --> 00:37:09.800
and they all explain it. It's
very simple because all they do is they

469
00:37:09.920 --> 00:37:15.599
take the body and they take it
to the border of Wyoming and I don't

470
00:37:15.639 --> 00:37:20.079
know what else, and then they
throw it into a ravine which is somehow

471
00:37:20.159 --> 00:37:24.119
on the state line, and so
nobody is responsible for the death of the

472
00:37:24.239 --> 00:37:30.199
body, for the dead body,
and so like it's like Bobby Yar.

473
00:37:30.400 --> 00:37:36.639
It's like a mass grave or something. And the show is so crazy.

474
00:37:37.679 --> 00:37:42.400
And then he made eighteen eighty three
Taylor shared in This Guy, which is

475
00:37:42.559 --> 00:37:47.159
such a sensationally good show. It
is and like an America, a dark

476
00:37:47.199 --> 00:37:54.519
American tragedy about a cattle drive gone
to cattle drive and a wagon train move

477
00:37:55.159 --> 00:38:01.920
gone disastrously wrong. It's the Oregon
Trail video game modest adaptation right anyway,

478
00:38:02.000 --> 00:38:07.599
And it's except for a horrible voiceover
narration by this eighteen year old girl.

479
00:38:07.199 --> 00:38:09.960
It's like one of the best things
I've ever seen on television. It is

480
00:38:10.159 --> 00:38:14.159
very dark and very sad, and
I didn't know he had it in but

481
00:38:14.360 --> 00:38:19.119
by God as he woke, he
and and all and all the treatment of

482
00:38:19.320 --> 00:38:27.920
Native Americans on these shut like,
it's like Native American torture porn, sympathetic

483
00:38:28.039 --> 00:38:31.519
torture porn. So it's like,
if you want, if you care about

484
00:38:31.719 --> 00:38:37.480
the mistreatment of Native Americans, you
can watch nineteen twenty three and what you're

485
00:38:37.519 --> 00:38:45.400
gonna see is girls beaten and raped
and thrown into pits and and and legs

486
00:38:45.519 --> 00:38:49.840
broken and arms broken and all this. And you could say, oh,

487
00:38:50.360 --> 00:38:52.599
it's it's torture porn, but it's
like, but it's for the left,

488
00:38:53.280 --> 00:38:57.760
Okay. The Catholic Church has not
come across well no, no, very

489
00:38:58.119 --> 00:39:01.719
very unfavorable to the Catholic Church the
Indian schools. But Mayor of Kingstown is

490
00:39:01.880 --> 00:39:07.679
less woke, and I like that
a lot. And it's also a Taylor

491
00:39:07.920 --> 00:39:10.519
Sheridan joint. A lot of the
same actors are in it. I also,

492
00:39:10.800 --> 00:39:15.199
I've always had a weakness for anything
about prisons. I don't know,

493
00:39:15.559 --> 00:39:17.519
see I as you know, I
hate prison. I like Tulsa king which

494
00:39:17.599 --> 00:39:22.239
is this, which is the Sylvester
Stallone show about the mobster who is gets

495
00:39:22.280 --> 00:39:25.760
out of prison after not ratting on
anybody for twenty five years and his reward

496
00:39:25.880 --> 00:39:30.480
is that he's sent to Tulsa and
he has to live in Tulsa. And

497
00:39:30.639 --> 00:39:35.360
it's actually a comedy really yeah,
and it's it's it's pretty good too.

498
00:39:35.440 --> 00:39:42.719
But but but Yellowstone anyway, so
you watched Yellowstone and you're and they now

499
00:39:42.960 --> 00:39:46.079
they don't have an anti Yellowstone because
Kevin Costner walked off the show, so

500
00:39:46.239 --> 00:39:50.559
basically it's over. Oh I didn't
know that, Yeah, Kevin, I'm

501
00:39:50.760 --> 00:39:53.199
only the middle of season three,
so okay, so there, you know,

502
00:39:53.320 --> 00:39:58.000
they they've sort of set up Kevin
Costner becomes the governor of the state

503
00:39:58.280 --> 00:40:05.320
basically solely to bet his own red. Yeah. And also all the opponents,

504
00:40:05.639 --> 00:40:10.320
all the opponents voters are dead.
He killed them, all, all

505
00:40:10.400 --> 00:40:15.639
of them, Like I cannot believe
It's it's funny because, like you know,

506
00:40:15.920 --> 00:40:22.440
you really do get the sense from
this show that Taylor Sheridan, if

507
00:40:22.480 --> 00:40:28.239
you sat down with Taylor Shardon,
it would be like talking to a combination

508
00:40:28.519 --> 00:40:37.800
of Tucker Carlson, Joe Rogan,
uh, Matt Stolar, Matt Matt Taibi,

509
00:40:37.320 --> 00:40:40.760
and R. F. K.
Junior Like that that is who he

510
00:40:42.000 --> 00:40:49.519
is. And for some reason he
has found the secret sauce in American and

511
00:40:49.760 --> 00:40:52.159
Red State people love it and they
don't really know they're being a fed at

512
00:40:52.239 --> 00:40:54.880
Diana. But I mean it is
in that sense. It's like Trump voters

513
00:40:54.920 --> 00:41:01.599
because it is so anti capitalist in
some weird fundamental like the capitalists are all

514
00:41:01.719 --> 00:41:06.599
rapacious and on the other sopranos with
the Scots irish. I mean, that's

515
00:41:06.639 --> 00:41:08.840
it's a it's a mob move.
Yeah, it's a mob. Yeah.

516
00:41:12.400 --> 00:41:15.519
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The coming oscars. The oscars are
coming in just a couple of weeks,

548
00:43:24.400 --> 00:43:30.119
and apparently everything is pretty much set
in stone. Oppenheimer's going to win,

549
00:43:30.280 --> 00:43:35.280
Killian Murphy is almost certainly going to
win, Davine Joy Randolph, who is

550
00:43:35.360 --> 00:43:38.199
the supporting actress and the Holdovers,
is going to win. Robert Downey Jr.

551
00:43:38.360 --> 00:43:43.480
Is going to win. Christopher Nolan's
going to win. So the only

552
00:43:43.559 --> 00:43:49.960
big race is do people want to
see Emma Stone win for a semi pornographic

553
00:43:50.079 --> 00:43:53.119
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they want to cry bitter tears over the

554
00:43:53.159 --> 00:43:58.440
fate of the Osage Indians and give
it to Lily Gladstone for Killers of the

555
00:43:58.519 --> 00:44:01.679
Flower Moon. I have no idea
whether you guys have seen any of these

556
00:44:01.880 --> 00:44:08.039
movies except for Oppenheimer and Barbie,
you've probably seen. Do you believe that

557
00:44:08.280 --> 00:44:14.840
a ten thousand person academy now made
up of a lot of non Americans is

558
00:44:15.000 --> 00:44:21.639
actually not going to get is going
to give the oscar to somebody who represents

559
00:44:21.760 --> 00:44:25.880
Native Americans, Because my view is
if you're outside this country, you don't

560
00:44:25.960 --> 00:44:31.800
care. And Emma Stone is like
naked and acting, you know, and

561
00:44:32.079 --> 00:44:38.920
is a plays a both both the
bride of Frankenstein and a prostitute and uses

562
00:44:38.960 --> 00:44:44.039
an English accent, and she's going
to win. So I haven't seen the

563
00:44:44.039 --> 00:44:46.400
amastone thing. My wife and daughter
saw it. I'm glad I didn't see

564
00:44:46.400 --> 00:44:51.239
it. I'm kind of say so
much. I did see Killers at the

565
00:44:51.239 --> 00:44:57.039
Flower Moon. Hated it, I
mean really hated it. And but sight

566
00:44:57.159 --> 00:45:07.559
unseen. If you told me that
an international body of a feet sini ASTs

567
00:45:08.000 --> 00:45:15.000
that was comprised disproportionately of foreigners,
I think foreigners like the French, are

568
00:45:15.079 --> 00:45:22.719
obsessed with America screwing over the Indians, and I think that they I think

569
00:45:22.800 --> 00:45:29.079
that there's a large chunk of European
opinion that sees the American Indian as the

570
00:45:29.159 --> 00:45:36.000
American Palestinians right, And I would
bet you that that actually militates in favor

571
00:45:36.840 --> 00:45:42.440
of Emmastone not getting it and the
woman from kills a flower Monain getting it.

572
00:45:43.760 --> 00:45:46.880
Can I can I throw a branch
in here. I'm not making prediction,

573
00:45:47.000 --> 00:45:51.800
but I'm just I'm just offering a
little color that it is. While

574
00:45:51.800 --> 00:45:55.639
it is true that there are many
foreigners who've you know, crept into this

575
00:45:55.719 --> 00:45:59.880
country to vote to the oscars,
does the ap let Us say foreigner anymore?

576
00:46:00.039 --> 00:46:06.119
Can't remember? I don't know non
Americans. I'm uh, it'll be

577
00:46:06.159 --> 00:46:12.400
interesting. Here's here's how you'll know
that that the other academy is changed irrevocably

578
00:46:13.159 --> 00:46:16.960
if Annette Benning doesn't win. Because
she's the oldest, she's been nominated the

579
00:46:17.079 --> 00:46:23.320
most. Yeah, she's married to
a movie star. She is considered by

580
00:46:23.440 --> 00:46:29.760
many Academy voters. I'm sure the
young one, because they are nine thousand

581
00:46:29.840 --> 00:46:35.639
years old and she's only nine hundred
years old. She was the when goober

582
00:46:35.840 --> 00:46:39.880
Judge Peter Guber took over Columbia TriStar
for and made it Sony. He used

583
00:46:39.920 --> 00:46:45.000
her as the new Columbia, you
know, the mon statue liberty Lady.

584
00:46:45.119 --> 00:46:52.840
Yeah, so if all is well
and and as and as lesbia, yes,

585
00:46:52.159 --> 00:46:55.480
yeah, okay, right, but
if all is well and normal and

586
00:46:55.800 --> 00:47:00.360
situation normal and net Benning will win
an Oscar after having me nominated like ten

587
00:47:00.400 --> 00:47:06.519
times a million billion times nominated,
so that that is often the most important

588
00:47:06.599 --> 00:47:09.000
metric in the academy. But who
knows, the academy may have changed,

589
00:47:09.039 --> 00:47:14.719
like America. Okay, Glenn Close
nominated seven times, has not won and

590
00:47:15.000 --> 00:47:21.280
won the sag Award and then lost
the Oscar that year. I can't remember

591
00:47:21.480 --> 00:47:25.639
to whom she was in a movie
called The Wife, and she didn't she

592
00:47:25.800 --> 00:47:30.039
didn't win, so oh, Olivia
Coleman won that year for the Favorite,

593
00:47:30.039 --> 00:47:35.280
which was actually a better performance than
Glen Closes than The Wife. Peter O'Toole

594
00:47:36.719 --> 00:47:38.920
seven or eight times nominated, never
won an Oscar. Richard Burton seven or

595
00:47:38.920 --> 00:47:45.440
eight times nominated, never won an
oscar. Farners, there is a category

596
00:47:45.639 --> 00:47:51.519
in which you often nominated but but
never never. Yes, that is true,

597
00:47:51.519 --> 00:47:54.719
that the Susan Lucci category. But
I I and she finally won after

598
00:47:54.840 --> 00:48:00.840
eighteen after eighteen tries, Susan Luci
won. So you don't care, though,

599
00:48:01.039 --> 00:48:05.000
is what you're saying. I do
I do not care. You don't

600
00:48:05.039 --> 00:48:07.199
care, I do not care.
No, that's right. I want to

601
00:48:07.199 --> 00:48:14.280
make sure that it's clear to get
to not caring. Yes, So the

602
00:48:14.519 --> 00:48:20.360
only race that is of any interest
in my house comes down to best original

603
00:48:20.519 --> 00:48:25.280
song, because there are two songs
in Barbie that everyone in my house loves,

604
00:48:27.079 --> 00:48:29.599
and one is called what Was I
Made For? By Billie Eilish,

605
00:48:30.119 --> 00:48:32.880
and the other is I'm I'm Just
Ken. I'm Just sung by Right,

606
00:48:34.239 --> 00:48:38.679
sung by Ryan Gosling, And I
think everybody thinks that What Was I Made

607
00:48:38.719 --> 00:48:45.000
For is going to win because it's
won all the precursors, But Ryan Gosling

608
00:48:45.199 --> 00:48:51.320
is going to perform I'm Just Ken
at the Oscars in what may be the

609
00:48:51.440 --> 00:48:55.719
single greatest moment in the history of
the Oscars since Isaac Hay's performed the theme

610
00:48:55.760 --> 00:49:01.960
from Shaft when I was but a
young a young whelp of a ten or

611
00:49:02.000 --> 00:49:07.159
something like that, and suddenly,
you know, basically it was, you

612
00:49:07.239 --> 00:49:10.199
know, people singing love story or
whatever, and then I shows up on

613
00:49:10.360 --> 00:49:15.079
stage with like twenty backup dancers and
does the theme from Shaft that it was

614
00:49:15.159 --> 00:49:20.519
like the best moment fifty some years
ago in the history of the Oscars.

615
00:49:20.599 --> 00:49:24.800
So the one reason to watch the
Oscars is to see Ryan Gosling for Forema

616
00:49:25.119 --> 00:49:30.719
Just Ken, which is an absolutely
hilarious song. I think the reason to

617
00:49:30.719 --> 00:49:34.960
watch it is just to see,
just to enjoy the weird intros. You

618
00:49:35.039 --> 00:49:38.880
know. Yeah, sometimes a song
can capture more than words or actions can

619
00:49:39.000 --> 00:49:45.119
ever capture in the drama of a
character in the journeys that we describe in

620
00:49:45.199 --> 00:49:50.239
the feature film business. Sometimes it's
a song and not a look or a

621
00:49:50.360 --> 00:49:54.360
word or a stunt. The nominees
for Best Original Song, and I love

622
00:49:54.440 --> 00:49:59.119
that stuff. I get goosebumps just
how bad it is. See, there's

623
00:49:59.199 --> 00:50:04.440
one of those things where we have
the buggy whip replacement theory taking place.

624
00:50:04.559 --> 00:50:13.039
Because if you can't get AI to
write from now on, don't hire writers.

625
00:50:13.320 --> 00:50:16.360
What are you hiring writers for?
The AI is going to do better?

626
00:50:17.079 --> 00:50:22.880
Yeah than the writers give me The
AI might say, really, come

627
00:50:22.920 --> 00:50:25.440
on, yeah, come on,
five more minutes, give me five more

628
00:50:25.480 --> 00:50:31.039
minutes on this? Yeah, speaking
five more minutes, John. Yes.

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So Rob Reiner, who has not made

650
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a good movie in thirty years and
as a parent, now making going to

651
00:52:00.320 --> 00:52:06.079
make a sequel to Spinal Tap,
which I wish he wouldn't because he hasn't

652
00:52:06.159 --> 00:52:08.320
made a good movie in thirty years
and I don't think he has it in

653
00:52:08.440 --> 00:52:12.239
him anymore. And they're all ninety
seven years old anyway, and it's going

654
00:52:12.320 --> 00:52:15.760
to be painful. But he was
interviewed by the New York Times and he

655
00:52:15.880 --> 00:52:22.480
said several incredibly stupid things, as
you might expect from Rob Reiner wants a

656
00:52:22.559 --> 00:52:25.239
really great director and now just a
loudmouth moron who didn't go to college.

657
00:52:25.880 --> 00:52:30.599
Among them, like the most important
song ever written is Imagine by John Lennon,

658
00:52:30.719 --> 00:52:34.440
because isn't that what we all want? No countries, you know,

659
00:52:34.559 --> 00:52:40.119
no religion, That's what we all
want really for ourselves. But he did

660
00:52:40.280 --> 00:52:45.039
say that, he said It's a
wonderful life is very important to him as

661
00:52:45.079 --> 00:52:52.000
a movie, and he said that
the greatest performance ever given on film was

662
00:52:52.079 --> 00:52:57.400
Marlon Brandos on the Waterfront, and
Scott Emmergut, our producer, said,

663
00:52:57.760 --> 00:53:01.719
you guys want to maybe take on
the question of Marlon Brando giving the greatest

664
00:53:01.760 --> 00:53:06.440
performance of all time on the Waterfront, I would be happy to spend another

665
00:53:06.480 --> 00:53:12.239
twenty minutes making fun of Rob Reiner, even though both Jonah and I love

666
00:53:12.400 --> 00:53:19.519
Rob Reiner for one word and one
word only, Shelton. Rob Reiner was

667
00:53:19.599 --> 00:53:22.480
on the odd couple, of course, our favorite show was married at the

668
00:53:22.559 --> 00:53:30.159
time to Penny Marshall and showed up
as her wayward fiance Shelton, whose name

669
00:53:30.239 --> 00:53:34.400
was Shelton because they forgot to type
the O on his birth certificate. That's

670
00:53:34.480 --> 00:53:39.960
right, so his name was Sheldon. And he loved Myrna played by Penny

671
00:53:39.960 --> 00:53:45.519
Marshall because she was very, very
real. A very fine performance by Rob

672
00:53:45.559 --> 00:53:51.000
Reiner that does not undo his years
of idiocy as a public speaker and public

673
00:53:51.039 --> 00:53:57.199
intellectual. But Doude, can you
think I do not think that Marlon Brando's

674
00:53:57.239 --> 00:54:01.480
performance and on the Waterfront is the
greatest acting on film. But Rob,

675
00:54:01.599 --> 00:54:07.079
would you and you think of three
or four performances that you would say bye

676
00:54:07.280 --> 00:54:12.280
for being like the best performance.
I wouldn't even be able to do that.

677
00:54:12.320 --> 00:54:15.559
I could tell you whether a bunch
of performances I thought were fantastic and

678
00:54:15.679 --> 00:54:21.719
that maybe elevated the material or went
beyond. I mean my neighbor, the

679
00:54:21.800 --> 00:54:25.000
great actor F. Murray Abraham,
who was Salieri in Oadayis, but he

680
00:54:25.039 --> 00:54:28.719
also had a tiny, tiny role
in a really great movie that nobody saw

681
00:54:28.760 --> 00:54:35.519
called Inside Lewin Davis. And he
is he's a club owner in Chicago,

682
00:54:36.079 --> 00:54:39.280
and you know Oscar Isaac plays that's
lead and his like struggles to get give

683
00:54:39.360 --> 00:54:43.400
the only play for this club owner. You know, he could make him

684
00:54:43.440 --> 00:54:45.800
say his big, first, big
break, and he takes he gets all

685
00:54:45.840 --> 00:54:50.039
of his money. He's got to
like hitchhike and walk in the snow to

686
00:54:50.320 --> 00:54:52.199
Chicago. He gets to the club
and there's the club owner, a very

687
00:54:52.280 --> 00:54:55.360
very powerful guy, this club owner
f Mary Abraham, sitting in the middle

688
00:54:55.400 --> 00:55:00.239
of the of an empty club during
the day and you can just all this

689
00:55:00.280 --> 00:55:02.519
guy's a jerk, because he says, is I want to sing for you,

690
00:55:02.559 --> 00:55:06.079
because well, what what what?
Why don't you sing something from And

691
00:55:06.159 --> 00:55:08.159
he points to his album which is
called Inside Lewyn Davis and the way he

692
00:55:08.239 --> 00:55:15.079
says inside Lewyn Davis, it's like
so so condescending, but like yeah,

693
00:55:15.559 --> 00:55:23.880
and so Oscar Isaac sings this folk
song and it's beautiful. It's unbelievable.

694
00:55:23.960 --> 00:55:30.079
And the Coen Brothers directed the movie. And the picture that the camera just

695
00:55:30.239 --> 00:55:34.400
hangs on him. It's really incredible
piece. Great performance by Oscar. It's

696
00:55:34.440 --> 00:55:37.440
a great filmmaking by the Coen Brothers. It like the frame hasn't really moved.

697
00:55:37.440 --> 00:55:42.280
It kind of comes in as he
sings his heart out and it's a

698
00:55:42.400 --> 00:55:45.400
moment on stage or in a theater
where when he's done, you applaud and

699
00:55:45.519 --> 00:55:49.719
of course the guy says, kid, I'm gonna make you a star.

700
00:55:50.960 --> 00:55:52.559
Instead, he wraps it up,
he sings his beautiful song. It's beautiful,

701
00:55:52.559 --> 00:55:55.840
and he sings it beautiful and then
he come comes back back to to

702
00:55:57.000 --> 00:55:59.719
f Marie andam listening to it and
he just looks at him and waits just

703
00:55:59.800 --> 00:56:02.679
a perfect amount of time, and
he says, yeah, I don't see

704
00:56:02.679 --> 00:56:08.400
any money here, and it's a
killer. It's just killer. And the

705
00:56:08.440 --> 00:56:12.679
way he says it, and then
he delivers it. And I was at

706
00:56:12.800 --> 00:56:16.960
a restaurant around the corner from my
house here in Manhattan, and I was

707
00:56:17.159 --> 00:56:22.360
having a week night dinner by myself
and my kindle at them or my iPad

708
00:56:22.360 --> 00:56:25.480
at the bar, and next to
me two seats down was F. Murray

709
00:56:25.480 --> 00:56:30.360
Abraham, who lives actually the building
next door. And I just couldn't not

710
00:56:30.519 --> 00:56:35.960
say something, and so I said, one point where you're the only people

711
00:56:35.960 --> 00:56:37.960
of the bar, I said,
I really love your work, and he

712
00:56:38.000 --> 00:56:40.320
said, thank you, thank you
so much. And I said, I

713
00:56:40.960 --> 00:56:46.159
don't want to disturb you, but
I don't see any money here. It's

714
00:56:46.199 --> 00:56:53.079
one of the great almost brilliant moments
where you just own that whole movie right

715
00:56:53.119 --> 00:56:58.599
there, and you did it.
It was it was so economical and efficient

716
00:56:58.679 --> 00:57:01.320
and beautiful and it just still stay
with me. And he said, well,

717
00:57:01.360 --> 00:57:05.920
thank you, thank you, thank
you. I I don't recall whether

718
00:57:05.960 --> 00:57:08.760
there was more there or not.
And I thought it was kind of like

719
00:57:08.840 --> 00:57:13.239
incredibly generous of him, because I
think what he's trying to say was he

720
00:57:13.360 --> 00:57:19.320
doesn't actually remember if the line was
short or they he's cut it out at

721
00:57:19.400 --> 00:57:22.760
editing, right, But I don't
see any money here. Just loved him.

722
00:57:22.800 --> 00:57:39.320
That's a great performance. They cool
the stone. I don't see a

723
00:57:39.360 --> 00:57:44.280
lot of Money here. Yeah,
that's a great movie. It's one of

724
00:57:44.360 --> 00:57:51.320
the most remarkable American movies. Uh
and uh brilliantly structured, and Oscar Isaac

725
00:57:51.400 --> 00:57:54.599
is amazing in it. Everybody is
amazing in it. And I ask you

726
00:57:54.639 --> 00:57:58.119
something, John, when people say
who've seen it, and they go,

727
00:57:58.480 --> 00:58:05.159
well, wasn't it boring, the
answer is yeah, but it was great,

728
00:58:05.320 --> 00:58:07.320
Like, yes, it's slow,
it moved slow. I mean I

729
00:58:07.400 --> 00:58:12.159
didn't find it. I didn't want
to leave the theater. I didn't find

730
00:58:12.199 --> 00:58:15.519
it boring. It's also one of
those movies that it's avocation of It's a

731
00:58:15.639 --> 00:58:22.360
winter Branwich village of New York nineteen
sixty one, and how they pull it

732
00:58:22.440 --> 00:58:25.920
off on the kind of budgets that
they have. Yeah, it's just just

733
00:58:27.000 --> 00:58:30.960
astounding. Jonah, do you have
a performance that you well, I was

734
00:58:31.000 --> 00:58:37.360
going to say, well, I
think Rhiner is probably wrong about Marlon Brando.

735
00:58:37.920 --> 00:58:40.960
He's right about Elia Kazan, who
I do think is truly one of

736
00:58:42.000 --> 00:58:50.719
the great directors. I call him
Gadge. Call him Gadge, which I'm

737
00:58:50.760 --> 00:58:54.719
looking through because I was curious,
Like rob, their performances I really admire.

738
00:58:54.840 --> 00:59:00.559
I have to say, like I
thought, Denzel Washington and Glory was

739
00:59:00.679 --> 00:59:06.880
really phenomenal. But I'm looking through
Premier Magazine's list of the one hundred grades

740
00:59:06.960 --> 00:59:09.719
performances of all times to remind myself, and they have Lawrence of Arabia,

741
00:59:09.800 --> 00:59:15.679
Peter O'Toole first and on the water
and they have Brando's second fro on the

742
00:59:15.719 --> 00:59:23.159
Waterfront, Meryl Streep third for Sophie's
Choice, Chino fourth for Dog Day Afternoon.

743
00:59:23.280 --> 00:59:28.119
And so that's the thing is,
like some of these actors, like

744
00:59:28.360 --> 00:59:30.719
the Robert de Niro ones, and
you know, Robert de Niro did some

745
00:59:30.840 --> 00:59:36.119
great things, and Dustin Hoffman is
seven for Midnight Cowboy. My problem is

746
00:59:36.440 --> 00:59:45.960
is that over time you start to
see how to put this. You stop

747
00:59:45.119 --> 00:59:50.559
seeing an actor playing a character.
For some of these people and oh,

748
00:59:50.800 --> 00:59:53.280
there's Dustin Hoffman, there's al Pacino. Because they use so many of the

749
00:59:53.320 --> 01:00:00.360
same techniques in other characters, I
have to say that Daniel day lewis in

750
01:00:00.519 --> 01:00:05.519
like my Left Foot, which they
rank at eleven, or in cold blood

751
01:00:05.599 --> 01:00:08.559
or there will be blood like at
least with him, I don't know.

752
01:00:08.639 --> 01:00:13.679
You see it, You really do
see him become a different person in these

753
01:00:13.719 --> 01:00:16.039
different roles in a way that I
don't feel like, oh, like,

754
01:00:16.280 --> 01:00:21.119
I love Lawrence of Arabia, but
I just I see Peter O'Toole. Yeah,

755
01:00:21.320 --> 01:00:22.599
yeah, yeah, And that's what
you're not only unfair of him,

756
01:00:22.960 --> 01:00:28.320
but you know Daniel day Lewis,
So, Daniel Lewis does something in Lincoln

757
01:00:29.000 --> 01:00:34.599
that I'm unaware of any actor that
is true of any other performance that I

758
01:00:34.840 --> 01:00:38.000
have ever seen, which is that
So he's playing Lincoln. He's made up

759
01:00:38.039 --> 01:00:42.360
to look at Lincoln. It's Lincoln, you know, in the months before

760
01:00:42.480 --> 01:00:53.000
his assassination, and he chose a
voice for Lincoln. It's a little reedy

761
01:00:54.880 --> 01:01:05.559
kind of a between a between a
baritone and a tenor. It is a

762
01:01:05.679 --> 01:01:10.679
little like hacyedish with firmness in the
right. As God gives us to see

763
01:01:10.719 --> 01:01:15.119
the right, Let us strive on
to finish the work we are in,

764
01:01:15.440 --> 01:01:22.639
to bind up the nation's wounds,
to care for him who shall have borne

765
01:01:22.679 --> 01:01:31.920
the battle, and for his widow
and his orphan, to do all which

766
01:01:32.000 --> 01:01:43.039
may achieve and cherish a just and
a lasting peace among ourselves and with all

767
01:01:43.440 --> 01:01:54.079
nations. Kay. He Lincoln.
He makes you think that you're watching Abraham

768
01:01:54.159 --> 01:02:02.559
Lincoln, because you've never heard anybody
perform Lincoln without speaking in a deep voice

769
01:02:02.639 --> 01:02:07.679
as he was six feet five inches, sir, trial, Yeah, exactly,

770
01:02:08.360 --> 01:02:10.920
except the guy who played Lincoln on
Star Trek, who I thought did

771
01:02:10.960 --> 01:02:15.039
it really really well too. But
that's but it was. But it was

772
01:02:15.159 --> 01:02:22.119
a it was a startlingly brilliant way
of saying, I'm gonna I played one

773
01:02:22.119 --> 01:02:27.360
of the most iconic people in the
history of the world. How can I

774
01:02:27.559 --> 01:02:34.000
make people see this person as a
person in time? And uh, you

775
01:02:34.079 --> 01:02:37.480
know that to me is his greatest
performance. But he does this every time.

776
01:02:37.559 --> 01:02:39.440
It's true, he is not.
You know, there are people who

777
01:02:39.480 --> 01:02:43.960
did this, like in impersonation terms, like Peter Sellers, who was always

778
01:02:44.639 --> 01:02:46.679
somebody else. But it was kind
of a bit. It was kind of

779
01:02:46.880 --> 01:02:51.320
sketchy, you know, it was
kind of play. I think that's true,

780
01:02:51.400 --> 01:02:54.679
yes, but again it's almost like
he's a sketch comedian building apart from

781
01:02:54.719 --> 01:02:59.239
the inside out. And Daniel day
Lewis does does something different. But I

782
01:02:59.639 --> 01:03:04.719
think I have two choices for the
best performance on film, and one of

783
01:03:04.800 --> 01:03:09.119
them we didn't mention, though it
should be. There is al Pacino as

784
01:03:09.280 --> 01:03:13.519
Michael and the Godfather not The Godfather
too, which is a great performance,

785
01:03:14.519 --> 01:03:21.159
but Pacino and The Godfather maybe the
greatest performance on film because it is this

786
01:03:21.400 --> 01:03:25.239
is the you were watching over three
hours a person go from a sort of

787
01:03:27.119 --> 01:03:35.960
callo slightly soft war hero trying to
keep himself separate from the family slowly sucked

788
01:03:36.000 --> 01:03:40.159
in and sucked in and sucked in
and sucked in. And what he has

789
01:03:40.239 --> 01:03:44.559
to do over the course of a
six month shoot everything is you know,

790
01:03:44.679 --> 01:03:49.440
like filmed out a sequence and all
of that. He is building this character

791
01:03:49.679 --> 01:03:52.880
over the course of the movie.
At every given moment that they were filming,

792
01:03:52.960 --> 01:03:58.079
he had to know where he was
in Michael's journey in the disruption.

793
01:03:58.360 --> 01:04:00.480
Yeah, yeah, that's a director
has to help you do that. I

794
01:04:00.559 --> 01:04:03.199
mean, I would say that the
tragedy is that's the reverse of what Joan

795
01:04:03.360 --> 01:04:08.079
is saying, which is that every
performance you see in Al Pacino afterwards,

796
01:04:08.119 --> 01:04:11.880
you don't see Michael Corlone and you
wish you did. Yeah, yeah,

797
01:04:12.000 --> 01:04:14.880
you see yeah, yeah, you
see just James Kahn, you know,

798
01:04:14.960 --> 01:04:18.119
you see some screaming noisemaker. Yeah
yeah, yeah. Anyway, but it

799
01:04:19.039 --> 01:04:24.480
has a that is the greatest movie
ever made. That performance is the movie.

800
01:04:24.559 --> 01:04:28.480
I mean, the movie is about
Michael. It's not about ultimately it's

801
01:04:28.519 --> 01:04:33.239
about Michael and he is the spine
and there's nothing but I think my favorite

802
01:04:33.639 --> 01:04:41.960
performance of all time is, interestingly, since Ryner mentions it is James Stewart

803
01:04:42.000 --> 01:04:45.400
and It's a Wonderful Life, which
is a forty or fifty times, And

804
01:04:45.440 --> 01:04:53.960
there's a movie about a desperately unhappy
man and I I and a good man,

805
01:04:55.719 --> 01:05:00.039
a noble man, but who ultimately
doesn't have the courage to do he

806
01:05:00.039 --> 01:05:04.800
hates his life. And it is
a movie about somebody who is living a

807
01:05:04.920 --> 01:05:11.119
life with a beautiful wife in a
nice town with good kids, and he's

808
01:05:11.159 --> 01:05:15.960
doing a good job and he's helping
everybody, and he hates his life.

809
01:05:15.559 --> 01:05:20.519
And I don't know anything like it. And when he when he discovers what

810
01:05:20.679 --> 01:05:26.440
it is that he actually has and
what he is at risk of giving up

811
01:05:26.559 --> 01:05:31.639
or losing by by committing suicide,
and the elevation of his spirit, the

812
01:05:31.719 --> 01:05:36.920
sense that he has been given a
new chance to appreciate everything that he has

813
01:05:38.119 --> 01:05:43.199
right is so beautiful and that that's
my choice. That is I think the

814
01:05:43.239 --> 01:05:56.639
greatest performance. Hell me Court,
get me back, yet me back.

815
01:05:56.679 --> 01:06:01.679
I don't care what happens to meet
me by to my wife and kids retires.

816
01:06:01.719 --> 01:06:08.880
Please please, I want to live
again. I want to live again.

817
01:06:10.440 --> 01:06:15.280
I like the Marlo Thomas version.
Yes, yeah, Marlo Thomas also

818
01:06:15.360 --> 01:06:17.800
that's the when I gravitate to.
That's what I We all have our own

819
01:06:18.280 --> 01:06:23.800
faith. Marvel Thomas also played Scrooge. I want you to know, no,

820
01:06:23.920 --> 01:06:26.800
I know, I know, so
there is there is no her range,

821
01:06:28.719 --> 01:06:31.480
you know, and just remember every
dollar is going to the Saint Jude.

822
01:06:33.840 --> 01:06:45.239
You're forgetting Arnold Swartz and air and
kindergarten, kindergarten cop Actually, I

823
01:06:45.519 --> 01:06:56.559
uh you can know. No mention
of Marlo Thomas can be finished without a

824
01:06:56.679 --> 01:07:01.639
p s A all every listener needs
to go to Google, the Google machine

825
01:07:01.679 --> 01:07:06.960
and google picture of Marlo Thomas today. Uh so that you, if in

826
01:07:08.159 --> 01:07:14.159
your future are thinking about maybe getting
a little bit of plastic surgery, that

827
01:07:14.320 --> 01:07:20.119
this image will dissuade you from that. It is the most uh actionable I

828
01:07:20.239 --> 01:07:26.159
think, a piece of malpractice.
If ever, if you get you're right,

829
01:07:26.199 --> 01:07:29.159
you just would use di it right. Yeah, it's shocking, it's

830
01:07:29.199 --> 01:07:32.000
shocking. It's it's very, it's
very it's very. All you could think

831
01:07:32.039 --> 01:07:34.159
of is all I can think of
is like this is this needs to be

832
01:07:34.320 --> 01:07:38.920
more widespread. More people need to
see this. You know, you go,

833
01:07:39.400 --> 01:07:42.679
you go, and then you know
you're in those airline magazines like the

834
01:07:42.760 --> 01:07:45.320
best Doctors of this, the best
doctors the center of the land, the

835
01:07:45.400 --> 01:07:47.199
best plastic surgeons, and they're all
there in their suits and they look all

836
01:07:47.360 --> 01:07:55.000
very rich and prosperous. They all
the entire profession needs to answer, uh

837
01:07:55.239 --> 01:08:01.119
for what they have done to that
girl there. I'm trying to decide,

838
01:08:01.400 --> 01:08:04.639
and I think Scott can decide whether
or not we should just end it there.

839
01:08:05.000 --> 01:08:10.360
But I I we're talking about going
to Google, and I just I

840
01:08:10.480 --> 01:08:13.440
have one thing to say to people, but it is a I have to

841
01:08:13.480 --> 01:08:18.920
put a trigger warning on it and
say that it's disturbing and disgusting to find

842
01:08:18.960 --> 01:08:26.239
out about I'm going to so as
you may know, Marlow Thomas was the

843
01:08:26.359 --> 01:08:30.600
daughter of a famous committee. Oh
yes, of course, yes, Danny

844
01:08:30.640 --> 01:08:38.840
Thomas. So I I just I
have four words to say, Danny Thomas

845
01:08:39.640 --> 01:08:43.520
coffee table. That's it all I'm
going to say. And I will only

846
01:08:43.560 --> 01:08:45.319
say this. I only add to
this. Yeah, I will only add

847
01:08:45.359 --> 01:08:49.920
to this by saying that before the
internets, when you were a young writer

848
01:08:50.199 --> 01:08:56.439
joining a TV writing staff. One
of the first things piece of lore that

849
01:08:56.520 --> 01:09:00.840
you learn from your you know,
your your elders, elders, your mentors.

850
01:09:01.560 --> 01:09:06.399
Was this so the stories passed down
and tell the internet. Yes,

851
01:09:06.520 --> 01:09:14.560
it is a storied story about a
beloved entertainer after hours, shall we say,

852
01:09:14.920 --> 01:09:18.560
or behind or behind closed doors?
And you you you google it at

853
01:09:18.600 --> 01:09:21.840
your peril, but you can google
it if you like. But as a

854
01:09:23.079 --> 01:09:25.039
as a palate cleanser, I know
we're going to run. I just want

855
01:09:25.079 --> 01:09:29.239
to offer this because you sometimes you
sometimes ask what we're watching, and I

856
01:09:29.239 --> 01:09:32.039
always feel dumb because I'm not watching
anything or or I'm not dumb, but

857
01:09:32.239 --> 01:09:36.239
more like speirior I guess the word
uh. And I tend to watch a

858
01:09:36.319 --> 01:09:44.399
lot of talent on on the online
social media. And there is a woman,

859
01:09:44.560 --> 01:09:45.800
young woman, her name, I
don't know her name, this Taylor's

860
01:09:45.800 --> 01:09:51.039
her first name. Hey it tay, Hey it h t E y I

861
01:09:51.199 --> 01:09:58.000
t A t A y. And
she's doing these weird first person kind of

862
01:09:58.039 --> 01:10:01.199
like look like the Instagram or TikTok
lot vi where she's being a certain person.

863
01:10:01.359 --> 01:10:06.359
So she does one she'd want to
Mary live from Bethlehem, and she's

864
01:10:06.479 --> 01:10:12.199
just doing this kind of like horrible
gen Z woman. Uh. Being an

865
01:10:12.319 --> 01:10:16.800
influencer, she does one that's the
the Handsel the Gretel Witch, responding to

866
01:10:16.920 --> 01:10:21.960
criticism about her diet plan. I
mean, it's it's it sounds weird,

867
01:10:23.000 --> 01:10:28.960
it's so she's so good and so
funny that if you're looking for something clever

868
01:10:29.159 --> 01:10:33.960
and interesting and kind of weirdly offbeat, go there. And Joan, are

869
01:10:34.000 --> 01:10:38.319
you watching anything you want to recommend? I'm sorry, I've been googling Danny

870
01:10:38.399 --> 01:10:45.479
Thomas coffee table. Oh dear,
Okay, well you could watch Make Room

871
01:10:45.600 --> 01:10:47.359
for Daddy, which I do believe
is on Netflix, by the way,

872
01:10:48.359 --> 01:10:53.199
or for Danny Thomas content that does
not involve the coffee table. So I

873
01:10:53.399 --> 01:10:58.359
uh, I told you, I've
been watching Yellowstone. I my again.

874
01:10:58.399 --> 01:11:00.399
My wife was missing, was was
not missing. She was not around for

875
01:11:00.840 --> 01:11:06.399
like ten days, and so we
stopped watching the True Detective Alaska thing,

876
01:11:08.119 --> 01:11:12.680
and and then I saw all this
stuff about how it was. The ending

877
01:11:12.960 --> 01:11:15.960
was just absolutely terrible, which made
me more interested in the show, because

878
01:11:15.960 --> 01:11:18.039
I really didn't like the show that
much to begin with. But then we

879
01:11:18.159 --> 01:11:20.479
tried to pick up on episode three, and we said, you know,

880
01:11:20.840 --> 01:11:24.880
we just hate all of these characters
so much. So this is a negative

881
01:11:24.920 --> 01:11:27.560
review in terms of, like,
I'm going to stop watching, and I

882
01:11:27.640 --> 01:11:30.560
am a completist. I normally once
I commit, I got to see things.

883
01:11:30.960 --> 01:11:33.760
And I really do like monsieur Spade. Have you guys been watching that?

884
01:11:34.279 --> 01:11:39.039
No, I don't. I watch
it. Yeah yeah, so yeah,

885
01:11:39.239 --> 01:11:42.600
yeah, yeah, No, it's
solid and I mean it could end

886
01:11:42.640 --> 01:11:45.760
badly. I'm not done with it
yet, but like, is this as

887
01:11:45.880 --> 01:11:50.920
Sam Spade in France in the nineteen
fifties, yeah, early sixties, late

888
01:11:51.000 --> 01:11:58.680
late fifties, early sixties. It's
I'm not a big expert on the larger

889
01:11:58.760 --> 01:12:01.079
oove of Sam Spade stuff. I
don't know. I mean, I guess

890
01:12:01.119 --> 01:12:05.920
there were novels or something, but
like I know, multi's facing novelty.

891
01:12:05.960 --> 01:12:13.159
Yeah, it's what's a pleasure to
look at and it gives you a real

892
01:12:14.119 --> 01:12:21.119
It's really good at giving you a
feel of post war France, and I'm

893
01:12:21.199 --> 01:12:26.319
enjoying it. I think it's definitely
worth watching so far. I have yeah,

894
01:12:26.399 --> 01:12:29.720
most Yeah, go ahead. Created
by Tom Fontana, who did Oz,

895
01:12:29.880 --> 01:12:31.800
who's a wonderful writer, a nice
guy. Yeah, you're right,

896
01:12:31.880 --> 01:12:36.239
technically there is only one novel,
but there's the novel Red Harvest as the

897
01:12:36.359 --> 01:12:44.800
unnamed detective which was really him was
Sam Spade. Tom Fontana was the dramaturg

898
01:12:44.880 --> 01:12:48.279
at the Williamstown Theater Festival in nineteen
seventy eight, the year that I was

899
01:12:48.319 --> 01:12:53.039
an apprentice at the Williamstown Wow,
you know theater festival. And he did

900
01:12:53.119 --> 01:12:57.399
not appear to be going anywhere fast, and then he took off like a

901
01:12:57.479 --> 01:13:00.760
rocket. Three years later was Williamstown
Festival. People who made Saint Elsewhere,

902
01:13:01.560 --> 01:13:06.640
And so Tom got himself onto Saint
Elsewhere and then moved forward. But I

903
01:13:06.720 --> 01:13:11.880
do have a dark story about Saint
Elsewhere very quickly, about a friend,

904
01:13:11.960 --> 01:13:15.159
about my friend who was at Williamstown
that summer, Dwight Schultz. Dwight Schultz,

905
01:13:15.159 --> 01:13:21.439
who actually played the Toppenheimer. Yes, yeah, yes, played Robert

906
01:13:21.479 --> 01:13:26.479
Oppenheimer in the first movie about Robert
Aimer were called Fat Man and Little Boy

907
01:13:26.600 --> 01:13:30.079
in which from Star Trek Next Generation. But go on, I'm sorry,

908
01:13:30.279 --> 01:13:36.560
right exactly. So, Dwight Schultz
is a lovely guy and a conservative son

909
01:13:36.640 --> 01:13:40.760
of a military man. His daughter
is actually a colonel in the Air Force.

910
01:13:42.039 --> 01:13:46.800
Dwight went in three years he had
been at Williamstown. He went in

911
01:13:46.920 --> 01:13:53.239
to read for st Elsewhere, and
Bruce Paltrow, who was Winn's husband,

912
01:13:53.560 --> 01:13:58.960
Gwen's father, was one of the
executive producers and had been Gwyneth Paltrow,

913
01:14:00.039 --> 01:14:04.720
his wife was a Williamstown person,
was there that summer also, And so

914
01:14:04.840 --> 01:14:08.359
Dwight came in to read for a
part on Sane Elsewhere, and he was

915
01:14:08.399 --> 01:14:14.479
sitting in the ante room and somebody
said he heard through the door someone say

916
01:14:15.199 --> 01:14:18.680
Dwight Schultz is up next, and
Bruce Paltra said, I'm not letting any

917
01:14:18.800 --> 01:14:27.840
Reagan asshole onto this show, and
that and that was Dwight's experience auditioning for

918
01:14:27.960 --> 01:14:31.760
saying, I'm saying get a team, which is an opriate show, right

919
01:14:32.920 --> 01:14:38.560
and more reaganight, I will say
actly. And Dwight was a magnificent actor,

920
01:14:38.960 --> 01:14:45.399
magnificent at Williamstown. And and I
have ill feeling toward toward Bruce Paltrow,

921
01:14:45.439 --> 01:14:49.279
who died tragically young, but I
have an ill feeling for his mistreatment

922
01:14:49.319 --> 01:14:54.359
of of Dwight Schultz. But I
did very much like Tom Fontana, who

923
01:14:54.439 --> 01:14:58.840
was a very very nice guy and
fun and the only thing I can recommend

924
01:14:58.880 --> 01:15:02.640
I watched with my son this week
talk about a ridiculous recommendation is Casablanca.

925
01:15:02.760 --> 01:15:09.600
So I finally showed my thirteen year
old son, and dear God, is

926
01:15:09.720 --> 01:15:12.640
that a perfect? Is that a
perfect? It's a perfect movie. Perfectly

927
01:15:12.720 --> 01:15:15.239
it is there. There are may
be there are may be ten perfect movies,

928
01:15:15.319 --> 01:15:18.199
and that is one of them.
I will say about Casiboka as I

929
01:15:18.239 --> 01:15:20.680
recently rewatched it on a plane,
I mean a couple of years ago,

930
01:15:21.239 --> 01:15:26.720
and like, you know how young
people think all these old black and white

931
01:15:26.720 --> 01:15:29.920
movies are too slow, I kind
of get it, you know, scenes

932
01:15:30.000 --> 01:15:32.039
last two. The amazing thing about
Casablanca in some ways, or at least

933
01:15:32.079 --> 01:15:35.840
the underrated thing, is the editing, because act he moves at a really

934
01:15:35.920 --> 01:15:42.439
good clip, yeah back then,
and Michael Curtizz the director, Yeah,

935
01:15:42.640 --> 01:15:48.039
the camera never stops moving. That
camera is moving around Rick's Cafe American like

936
01:15:48.239 --> 01:15:54.439
nobody's business. It is as though
it were walking through the bar at all

937
01:15:54.560 --> 01:15:59.399
times. In all ways. It's
amazingly vivid and lively. So what's funny

938
01:15:59.399 --> 01:16:01.359
about that is that the reason it
did that, the reason that actually all

939
01:16:01.399 --> 01:16:05.479
the old movies did that had much
more camera moves and lay Dolly track,

940
01:16:05.560 --> 01:16:12.000
no lease Dolly track now is because
it was cheaper to light a set for

941
01:16:12.880 --> 01:16:16.439
long continuous takes than it was to
do a million setups. And now it's

942
01:16:16.560 --> 01:16:21.279
like they do a million setups.
And why now things seem like they they

943
01:16:21.399 --> 01:16:26.800
their pace is faster, but the
story moves slower because nothing happens in the

944
01:16:26.880 --> 01:16:29.600
frame. Well, in the frame
of any one of those old movies,

945
01:16:29.640 --> 01:16:32.399
but especially multi Salcon are the great
with Michael ts directed ones and you know

946
01:16:32.479 --> 01:16:38.039
the George Kukor and Ernst Lubitch.
Things happen in the frame. You see

947
01:16:38.079 --> 01:16:41.439
an actor change another actor's mind.
You never ever see that. Now that's

948
01:16:41.479 --> 01:16:45.119
mostly a cutaway, which is one
of the reason why there's the movies now

949
01:16:45.199 --> 01:16:46.439
seem faster but more boring. You
know, we'd and you don't have to

950
01:16:46.439 --> 01:16:49.560
pay attention to them. All right, so uh here we are. We're

951
01:16:49.600 --> 01:16:57.439
done. We're gonna come back in
March, hopefully with new AI that's better

952
01:16:57.600 --> 01:17:00.920
than the AI that we have now. Well a I do it will be

953
01:17:00.039 --> 01:17:06.079
replaced by AI AI do a glock
You could say, yeah, right,

954
01:17:06.720 --> 01:17:11.239
which you know what, if it's
better, that's always the fear. Well

955
01:17:11.319 --> 01:17:16.920
it'll be shorter, Ye'll be short. It can't be worse. Ye all

956
01:17:17.039 --> 01:17:19.039
right, See you guys next time. Pellas