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Welcome to this edition of The High
Strangers Factor, copyrighting on the Paranormal UK

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Radio Network. I'm your host,
Steve Ward. Today we're going to explore

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everything from a vintage Mothman sighting to
present Bigfoot activity and god knows what else.

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Andy Mercer can't be with us tonight
as he is recovering from his recent

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move. Still I've been here a
year and I still haven't recovered from mine.

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But fortunately we have with us a
returning guest co host known as the

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Creature Seeker. Creature Seeker, Welcome
back to the High Strangers Factor. Thanks

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Steve. It's glad to be back. Now. You have how many years

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have you been studying the Bigfoot phenomena? Probably thirty plus? Only thirty plus,

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Okay, I guess you're qualified.
So that's about how long it took

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me to earn my high school diploma. So very good, very good,

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we're on part Okay, Well,
anyway, it's good to have you here

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being a and also you're you're not
just someone who had studied the Bigfoot phenomena.

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You have rubbed elbows with virtually every
big name in the in the big

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foot field, right, yes,
even though the majority of them will refuse

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to acknowledge that. Like like Jeff
Meldrum, he probably does you know,

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it doesn't pay much attention, right, Yeah, he won't return my calls.

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Very good. Well, we'll get
more into that as we get on,

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but now let me introduce our guests. By the way, Linda,

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you're pronounce your last name is Sigmund, right, yes, okay, I

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should have asked that first. Everyone. Every once in a while, somebody's

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name throws me a curve. And
when I had Joshua Kutcheon on, I

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was calling him Joshua Coochin for the
whole show until he corrected me at the

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end. So I just want to
avoid that. Fine. Linda Siegmund's life

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adventures began at the early age of
three, when she first recalls meeting her

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guardian angel, who later told her
her name was Rachel. At the age

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of five, she began feeling the
emotions of others, which made school difficult

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for her. She also saw her
first et at this age, a gray

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alien. At fourteen, the truths
her guardian told her started manifesting themselves.

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At sixteen, she experienced a close
encounter with UFOs and moth mat, her

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psychic and empathic abilities were now at
the forefront of her life. She has

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the god given ability of reading people
and the power of discernment. Some of

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the famous people in her family tree
are the late psychic Sylvia Shoemaker Brown and

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Shawnee Chief Cornstock great grandfather go Back
six times six grades. She now lives

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in West Virginia with her adopted son
Chris and their faithful companion, Phoebe,

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Linda's service dog, Bigfoot. Activity
in West Virginia keeps her busy as well

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as guard. She roams the nearby
woods daily in search of life's adventures.

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She also has been on Ripley's Believe
It or notcast in Alternate Perceptions magazine with

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Brent Rains, numerous other podcasts TV, The Unexplained, The Mothman on Travel

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Channel, History Channels, Monsters and
Mysteries in America, and is a member

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of a Roundtown UFO Society out of
Circleville, Ohio, where her story videos

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are featured and her hypnotic regression by
licensed hypnotist and psychologist Laney Ebright. Chris

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Parsons was born and raised in the
southern Ohio town of Ironton. His interest

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in the subject of UFOs began early
in his life when he witnessed a shiny

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metallic object hovering in the summer sky. This sighting, coupled with the book

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Chariots of the Gods by Eric Van
Danikan, sparked within him a lifelong interest

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in the quest for knowledge involving extraterrestrial
life. Chris is a graduate of Marshall

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University in Huntington, West Virginia,
with a BA in Legal Studies Criminal Justice.

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He also has a minor in history
and English. He has served on

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the Board of Directors for the State
of Ohio Newfun as the community Engagement Coordinator,

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as well as the think tank for
the Roundtown UFO Society, which has

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been meeting regularly in Circleville, Ohio
since nineteen eighty eight. Chris has a

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broad interest in many topics, including
quantum physics, consciousness, wellness, and

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social dynamics. He is currently working
on his first book, Connecting with People.

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Chris currently resides in Parkersburg, West
Virginia. And now that we have

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the intros out of the way,
I think we only have five minutes left

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for the show. Linda and Chris, welcome to the High Strangers Factor.

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Thank you. It's great to have
you guys here. Um, well,

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let's see, we're just gonna we're
gonna bounce around a lot. But you

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know, I guess, I guess
I want to start with uh. With

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Linda, Uh, your intro is
very intriguing. You had a lot of

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sort of mystical experiences as a young
girl. Can you talk a little bit

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about that for us? Sure?
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know, just just just you know, random whatever. Like I said,

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when I was three years old,
I was playing outside and my mother used

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to let me play in the rain
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any um, lightning or thunder anything
like that. And I was sitting in

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a like a rain drain ditch spout
where the water was coming off the roof

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and playing. Now the corner of
my eye, I saw a person and

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when I would turn towards her,
I didn't see her. And I turned

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back around there she was. And
that's how I met my guardian angel,

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and she told me some things that
were going to happen. That was hard

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for me to believe because at the
time I was three years old, and

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I don't know why it stuck in
my head. I guess it was supposed

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to. She told me that she
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every time you see a ladybug,
you will think of me, and

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you might have some kind of paranormal
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bring you back to this memory.
Well, she showed me in my yard

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there were I looked down in the
yard and I could see like what looked

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like caves under the ground, and
that's all I could remember. And then

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I turned to look at her again. All I could see because she had

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a white dress and long black hair. And she said, you'll know what

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this means in time, and you'll
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have abilities. Well, time goes
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have a horrendous rain storm and the
river floods and waters coming and everything where

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our house was right on the river. And got up that morning and the

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bank of the river was caved in
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called in the Army Corps of engineers
and they came around and they looked and

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surveyed and stuff, and come to
find out, those were coal mines under

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the ground behind my house. And
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King calls that bank to collapse,
and I kind of had a I

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guess you would call it an epiphany, and I thought, oh, man,

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that's weird. Well, as time
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old, and I always stayed up
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me go to bed or leave it. I watched the boats good bye and

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the trains, and I was looking
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I saw what I thought to be
a robot. Well that's all I

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could perceive it to be. It
was a little man that was gray,

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and he was walking kind of stiff
legged, and he walked up to the

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front of our house and walked up
the sidewalk, and I ran downstairs and

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I went to greet him, and
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the kitchen and I hid underneath the
sink and I heard him come in and

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I heard the door shut behind him. Back then, you never locked your

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doors. This was in summertime.
And next thing I remember, I was

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waking up in the morning and I
kind of thought, well, okay,

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I was upstairs in my bed and
that little robot. So for years and

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years and years, I was afraid
of robots. Then when I was sixteen,

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My boyfriend and I always liked to
ride around and and the night is

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your Story. Yes, Okay,
we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna

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build up to that, we're gonna
make p But anyway, I had mystical

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things happened to me like that all
my life. So you're just just one

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of the questions. As you were
getting older, were you empathy kind of

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an EmPATH? Were you picking up
on other people's thoughts and emotions when you

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were a child? Yes, I
was, and I talked to my mom

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about it. She kind of pushed
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was the one in our family that
was related to the shoemakers. My great

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grandmother was a shoemaker. But my
dad he picked up all my abilities too

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because his mother had abilities. So
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he always had me to like he
put cards down on the table and he'd

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tell me, you know, find
the jack, find the one, you

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know, and I could do it, and he entered me and all kinds

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of contests and I want all kinds
of stuff. You know. That was

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my life. But when I started
school, the kids were always calling me

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weird and strange, and so I
became very backward, and then then I

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got teased and bullied for the way
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be all in my twenties probably did
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and where it was coming from.
Chris tell us about this early UFL experience

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you had. I remember, Stephen
was in the mid seventies and I had

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just gotten my first bicycle with the
big knobby tires and the ones that looked

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like motocross bikes. And I remember
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home, the alleyway is still graveled. It wasn't paved over. And I

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remember riding up and down the gravelly
alley and you know, having fun,

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pretending like I'm a I'm a motor
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jump from wood. And I came
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the garage, and I had this
overwhelming sense to look up in the sky

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in a very specific place, and
I remember looking up with frustration, going

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like, what what is it?
And that's when I saw it hovering in

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the sky. It was flat on
bottomed dome dotop. It was basically intermingled

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with a bunch of clouds. It
was overcast that day, it was very,

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very gray, and I almost didn't
see it. And then the clouds

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parted and there it was. It
was hovering slightly and it was huge.

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And I just keep thinking to myself, and I tell the story over and

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over, especially in my UFO presentations. I remember seeing it, thinking to

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myself, I went through what I
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bird. That's not a plane,
it's not a balloon. It hits not

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a kite. You know, back
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And I remember thinking, what in
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just kept going by it and that
it would be there, and then one

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final time, and I really steve, I'd love to find out, maybe

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through regression or something, how long
I was just mystified and locked onto the

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object. But eventually there was a
big, massive clouds that went by between

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myself and the object and it was
gone. And I did not see at

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the party, it just was no
longer there. Unlike you read in the

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bio, I had the pleasure of
seeing Eric von Donnigan's Chariots of the Gods,

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the book which I just gobbled up
and the documentary from I believe it

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was the early seventies or maybe even
that year, and I just said to

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myself, I would like to find
out exactly what it was that I saw.

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And it started a lifelong let's just
call it fanaticism and curiosity into UFOs,

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which has led to bickfoot, which
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just how much of it is all
connected, and maybe that that'll be

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something we can talk about. But
it used to be just for me UFOs.

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Now it's it's a little bit of
everything. That the high strangeness factor,

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you know, how everything is probably
connected, and drawing parallels between all

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these various phenomena is something that you
know, I enjoy researching and talking to

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everyone in the world who wants to
penineer or Lendineer and talk about their experiences

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or what they've discovered. We will
definitely get the cryptids now, as how

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you kelse a little bit about how
that was that your only UFO experience.

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That was the only one that I
can recall. I had a shadow I

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had a shadow person experience as a
child coming out of my room. I

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remember my parents used to have card
parties all the time they played Pinuckle,

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and I remember getting out of my
bed one night I could hear them downstairs

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playing, and I need to go
to the bathroom. And I went out

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of my room, took a right
hand turn, took three steps, and

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was going to take a left hand
turn into the bathroom. And what was

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amazing to me, Steve, was
there was a figure in the dark that

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made that was so dark and so
black that it actually made the darkness seem

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gray. And I remember seeing that
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and almost immediately the fear must have
broken me out of whatever it was,

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and I remember bounding down the stairs
three and four at a time and hitting

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the ground and running into the kitchen. And I absolutely have no memory of

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what happened thereafter, but I can
remember that Steve like had happened moments ago,

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seeing that dark figure, looking up
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a humanoid creature coming out of the
bathroom. And the thing that I discount

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that it wasn't someone coming up from
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The person was or whatever it was, was completely and totally, like

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I say, it was the blackest
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except for that experimental object I'm trying
to remember what they call that just absorbs

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all light. But that that was
something that I said to myself, I

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experienced something I believe that night that
is just part of what we referred to

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now as what phenomenology or whatever,
but it really it really set me additionally,

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along with the UFO sighting that that
experience really led me down the path

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to where I am today. An
almost daily, an almost daily occurrence of

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trying to figure out what in the
world might be going on in the world

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that people are seeing all over the
world from time immemorial, this strangeness,

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things that aren't supposed to be that
exist, and you know, hearing people

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recount their experiences and sharing that is
something that I feel was definitely worthy of

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my time. And I've never regretted
a single second of trying to figure out

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what in the world might be happening
behind the scenes that a lot of people

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scoff at and a lot of people
scientists and others say doesn't exist. And

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all too often people like ourselves who
have experienced this phenomena will tell you otherwise.

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We've all had something to jump start
our interest. Creature seeker, I'm

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gonna call you a CS. What
what was it that got you started down

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the big footpath? Well, you
know, Steve, when you know I

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was a kid, I I always
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explain everything, you know, I
was. I never really you know,

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believed in ghosts or you know,
maybe you know locked this monster or something

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or a sea monster. You know, you know, I might have entertained

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that idea because you know, as
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other than that, you know,
a bigfoot, mofman, ghosts, UFOs,

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you know, they I never thought
that there could be a chance that

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those things were real. So,
you know, I was an outdoorsman all

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my life, and I was invited
on a couple expeditions with some groups,

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and I saw some things in over
you know period of years, I just

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experienced things that I just could not
explain. Now, am I prepared to

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say that what I saw was a
shadow person or you know, the vocalizations

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I heard were bigfoot? No,
I'm not prepared to say that, but

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I will tell you and I have
a couple of stories that I've probably already

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told on your show of experiences that
you know, I've had that. I

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just still to the state can't explain
and I find them really unsettling, the

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fact that, you know, I
can't explain them. I know that somewhere,

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somehow there is some sort of explanation, whether that explanation is that,

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you know, these cryptids or these
paranormal anomalies, uh, you know,

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are some sort of some sort of
like uh you know, existential uh you

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know, entity or spiritual entity or
maybe a combination of the two. I

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don't know, But like Chris,
you know, I saw, I was

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there's this police called the Waverley Hill
Sanatorium, and I was down there and

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I was invited by the Louisville Ghost
Center Society to kind of do an overnight

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there. You know, for me, it was just kind of a haunted

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yahahaha. But we we saw,
we saw these things that they were very

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similar to what Chris described. And
there are no lights in this place.

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Um, there's no electricity and there's
no they don't allow you to break the

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flashlights in right. No, Well, so there's no lotty because the place

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had met over the years had been
basically gutted and ransacked. So there's no

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plumbing. You know, the previous
owners. Basically whatever a metal they had,

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they salvaged, so you know,
there was you know, very briefly,

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we were down in this one wing
of the sanatorium and we looked down

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at the end of the hall and
there's no lights. It's just totally dark.

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But we saw these things moving around
that were blacker than night, if

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that even makes sense. They are
the blackest, darkest objects and you could

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see them because they were considerably blacker
and darker than than the darkness like this.

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There's maybe some ambient light, but
very very little. And they they

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look like so it looked like the
form of a human being, like the

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head and shoulders, like we could
not see any like feet, but it

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was the head and shoulders, and
these things were just they're very fast.

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The way they moved was like they
moved like a flicker of a candle,

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and it was very unhumanlike the way
that they, you know, moved.

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And we saw a couple of people
down to the end of the hall,

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this guy and this guy and girl
who volunteered, and one of these things

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ran, I say, ran,
but passed in front of them, and

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then they came running back and I
said, did you you know, did

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you see did you see it?
And I remember the gentleman saying to me,

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see it. We felt that the
wind as it went by, they

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could feel like the wind moving,
the air moving. So um. We've

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also been told by other members of
the Louisville Ghost Center Society that, um,

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when they've had laser pointers, they've
actually pointed it at these at these

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things, expecting to see, you
know, the dot on the wall behind

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it. But whatever these things are, it stops the laser. So the

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dot stops right on on these things. It says, if they're not they're

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not transparent. So anyway, I
you know, when Chris was relating his

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story kind of gave me some shivers. Very cool. Uh. And also

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I want to mention Chris and and
and Bruce. Uh uh. Now did

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you guys know Rosemary Ellen Guiley?
I met her on occasion. Yeah I

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don't. I didn't really know her. You know, we weren't buddy buddy,

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but I've met her before I met
her. And what about you,

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Chris and Linda. I know some
friends that know her and her Okay,

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okay, okay, do you know
who she was? She lost? We

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lost her recently. I met her
at the two thousand and six moth Man

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Festival, and she was doing research
and to shadow people. She was collecting

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stories about people and whether they had
it in their bedroom or outside or whatever.

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And then the next year when she
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she talked about her findings, and
one of the things she found was

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that a significant percentage of people experiencing
shadow people were also experiencing classic alien abduction

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phenomena. Chris, I don't know
if you had you know, you maybe

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had some missing time, maybe not, so I don't know if that connections

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there, But that's pretty pretty interesting. And uh, let's see. There

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was another dramatic point I had with
Rose, like it'll come to me,

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but very Yeah, that's very interesting
to have that cooperation was What was your

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response, Chris, when you heard
Bruce telling a story, you know,

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we're sitting here. I had I'm
always going to put it on mute when

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we're not talking, just in case
our dog barks, or if we were

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having allergy attacks down here and we
want to be respectful to the audience.

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It just sounds horrible in the middle
of it. But when Bruce was talking

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about and I'm so hardened to hear
him talk about how the blackness made the

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surrounding blacklists like gray, and then
the laser pointer hitting the whatever they'd be

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and stopping it. That that just
sends chills down my spine. I'm sitting

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here thinking about my experience. I
was talking to mom about it, and

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I'm like, I remember being very
very and then he's talking about the wind

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blowing. I remember being very very
cold when I took that turn around around

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the corner and seeing that object there, and like I say, the fear

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just overtaking me. And I told
her, I said, and I might

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have mentioned it on the way down
the stairs. I think my feet hit

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hit the stairs four at a time. I just remember getting away from it

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so quickly. But that it's just
amazing to me the number of people who

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have experienced all the various phenomena that
we talked about that we just love to

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research, and it's worldwide, and
it's, like you said, Steve,

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almost anybody you talk to these days
know someone who knows someone directly who's had

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an experience of high strangeness, and
they will talk about it at nauseum if

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you give them the opportunity and really
let them know that it's something you're arrested,

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and you're not there to to denigrate
them, you're not there to make

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fun of them. That you're generally
interested. And I can't tell you how

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many times when I've been doing my
presentations where all people will come to me

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afterwards and they'll say, my God, thank you. Can I tell you

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my story? And you're just enraptured
with what you hear. It's like,

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I've never told this to anybody before, but I feel safe and comfortable here,

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and I know both of you know
what I'm talking about. We find

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those people all the time. The
other thing I wanted to talk about connected

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with Rosemary and with Waverly Hills.
She told me once. Now I don't

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she was there at Waverley Hills.
I forget the name the investigator she was

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with, but like like Creature Secret
CS was telling us, it's just pitch

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dark in there. Nobody's got flashlights
or whatever. You just let your eyes

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adjust. So they're in some room
somewhere and the guy she's with said,

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Rosemary, do you see what I
see? And she's looking into the darkness

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and she says, well, yeah, it looks like a gray. They

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were seeing something like a gray alien
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Now figure that one out, Okay, And and Bruce, do you have

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another experience? Well, so the
other I was gonna have you hold onto

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it and we'll get to it.
But I won't go back to Linda right

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now. Okay, Okay, Linda, Now we're going to go back to

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the mid sixties. You're you're sixteen
years old, right, yes? And

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where did you grow up? I
grew up in Pomroy, Ohio, across

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the Palmer and Mason Bridge, which
was not okay, it's not from the

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bridge from where from between Pomroy and
Mason, West Virginia. Okay, all

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right, and you're not terribly far
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I think north. Okay, now
you're in this is what? This is

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what April April of nineteen sixty seven, Okay, now you know, November

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of sixty six, everything went crazy. Two couples, the scarberries and the

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mallets were chased down Route sixty two
out of the T and T area.

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Mothman sightings were plentiful, strange lights, UFO sightings and so forth. The

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men in black we had, I
guess there were some animal mutilations. I

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don't know if they ever made the
newspapers at that time. I don't think

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they did. And could you kind
of describe the atmosphere of that time,

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what was it like reading the reports
of the UFOs and the mothman. We're

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leading up to this, all of
us would get in the car and get

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down there by the TNT area and
right around to see if we could see

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what they called the bird. Right. A lot of people thought that it

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was some kind of great big crane, but we, you know, we

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went to see if we could see
the UFOs and all that stuff. Well,

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when I was down there, we
saw a few strange lights. But

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that winter, that whole winter,
we oh would go down there and drive

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around and you know, park around
down there to see what we could see.

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Everybody would get excited. Everybody got
all worked up and scared, you

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know, and we get down there. It was fun. It was like

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Halloween every month. It must have
been so cool having a monster was I

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know. My dad always told me
not to get down there, but we'd

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go anyway, and he knew where
we were and where we'd do one down

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there, you know, But I
remember that there was a bunch of reporters

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down there, and and I don't
remember John Keel's name, but I do

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remember they said that there was,
you know, important man that would be

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coming down there to research and Mary
Hire it was in the I believe that

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Athens Messenger and mcgauplis Gazette maybe at
the time. But she had her office

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right there on six Stress. She
did with a silver bridge used to go

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over to Ohio and her column was
where the waters mingle, and she was

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one of the ones that kept up
with the Mothman reports, the UFOs and

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the men in Black. I remember
that. And I remember also something followed

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an emergency vehicle from Hartford I think
all the way down wasn't a blood a

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blood bobile, And maybe yes,
I think it was, but they said

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it flew right across on top of
them, and they were going like sixty

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miles an hour, and you know, every little bit of information we got

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it just you know, got us
all worked up and we all wanted to

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go see what it was. So
that's how we spent mister weekends. That

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was mentioned in the Mothman prophecies.
It was a bloodmobile and they're watching this

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this object kind of a classic flying
saucer come down and it seemed like some

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kind of an arm was coming out
of it down toward the blood. Now

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there's a there's a there's another article
on it, uh, which has more

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detail, actually gives the name of
the driver, the drivers not named in

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the In the book the about that
prophecy so and John Keel writes he says

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that he actually called the you know
whoever runs that and sort if they'd had

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any other sightings of UFOs hovering over
bloodmobiles. They just hung up on it.

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I guess maybe I would have too, but you know, who knows

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what really happened there. Okay,
So you've got all these things going on,

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and now it's uh, it's it's
April. What's the weather like?

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Has the has the weather blooms?
It was, yeah, it was warm.

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I remember we had shorts on.
I remember exactly what he was wearing

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and I was wearing. And you
know where we were and going across the

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bridge just just like it was burned
in my memory. We just went out

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for a ride in the country and
he picked me up about seven thirty and

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it was still daylight, and I
went across the bridge and out into the

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country. He wanted to show me
where he was going to do Hey that

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year. It was a big field
and we were just going to park up

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there and get out and sit on
the front of the car and watched the

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stars and the river and you know, just sit there and talk. And

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then that the moment came. You
had a really strange experience. Yeah.

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We were sitting on the hood of
the car and we didn't have been there

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about I don't know, twenty minutes
maybe, and I kept seeing him look

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over to his right shoulder and I
said, oh, do you see that

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light over there? And he said, oh, yeah, I've been watching

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it for about ten minutes. And
it just appeared like an explosion in the

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sky. It just would get great, big in and it gets smaller and

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then larger and smaller, and the
whole sky turned red. It was off

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to our right, and it was
we were looking like eye level through the

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trees and this thing burst through the
clouds and it's I'm still shaking. I

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still shake after all these years thinking
about it, because it was so frightening.

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And it came through and it was
like it was coming from another dimension

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and it was a big, red, dark red object. That was very

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bright, and it sat there for
just a few minutes and we were in

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awe and it started to move,
and we watched a tree top level and

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it was about maybe an eighth of
them mile away. It wasn't very far

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away, and it moved even to
the road where we had pulled in on.

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It stopped and we're still sitting on
the car, and it moved right

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over top off of us. And
at that time I have some missing time.

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I can remember being inside the car
and looking up and not being able

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to see the sky. All I
can see is this object above us,

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and it was about thirty feet in
diameter, about no gee twenty feet maybe

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above the car, and making just
a weird whirring or sucking noise like a

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vacuum cleaner on low. And it
had lights in the shape of a cross,

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red and white, and I flew
a few blue ones on the end.

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But it set there and it was
silent, and I can remember him

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trying to start the car and it
wouldn't start. So finally he started to

409
00:32:53,920 --> 00:33:01,119
pull away and I looked out.
I was hanging out the passenger side of

410
00:33:01,079 --> 00:33:07,680
the car, and I looked out
and I saw this object shaped like a

411
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:13,640
man. And at the same time, the UFO was still above the car,

412
00:33:13,759 --> 00:33:16,000
moving bout as fast as we were
because we were trying to get out

413
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:21,599
to the main road and get out
of there. And he went like in

414
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:30,240
a real sharp turn to the left, and this creature flew out from this

415
00:33:30,559 --> 00:33:35,359
UFO or out with it in the
opposite direction. And I'm hanging out the

416
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,519
car yelling, do you see that? Look at that. It's a man.

417
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:42,880
It's flying, it's got ways,
he goes. I see it.

418
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,640
We're trying to get away. We're
trying to get away from a fish tailed

419
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:51,039
and got out on the gravel road
and I'm still watching what I think it's

420
00:33:51,119 --> 00:33:53,559
probably moth man, the thing that
the kids had been seeing. I said,

421
00:33:53,599 --> 00:33:58,839
did you see that big black creature. He's like, no, I'm

422
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,559
just trying to get the heck out
of here. We go on down the

423
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:07,680
road and gravels are going everywhere.
He's just about lost it. So we

424
00:34:07,759 --> 00:34:12,519
get down to this other area where
we pulled in and stopped and pulled off

425
00:34:12,599 --> 00:34:15,199
the road I don't know fifty feet
or so and turned around and parked,

426
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:20,880
trying to get our wits about ourselves
to figure out what we're going to do

427
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:24,920
next. And he said, I
didn't see what you saw. Oh I

428
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:30,519
saw? Is that Ufo where he
said we called him flying saucers, you

429
00:34:30,599 --> 00:34:35,920
know? And I said, oh, the moon's coming up were at that

430
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,679
time it was dark, It was
about eight thirty and I said, there's

431
00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:44,519
somebody coming up the road. We
better leave. And this light came up

432
00:34:44,519 --> 00:34:49,159
over the ridge and was following the
road, and it was about three feet

433
00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:52,320
above the road. And it was
another object, a big round object,

434
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:58,800
about the size of a Volkswagen.
But this one it made no noise at

435
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,360
all, and it was bright white, but it didn't hurt your eyes to

436
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:07,280
look at. It's almost like a
fluorescent light, right, And it followed

437
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,199
the road and moved very slow,
and we were looking from left or right

438
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:16,280
watching the thing to it. We
got up to our left shoulder and looked

439
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:22,280
straight at it, and it stopped
and it came right to the car,

440
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:28,239
right to the over the front of
the car, right to the very front

441
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:32,280
of the hood of the car,
and sat there for a few minutes.

442
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:38,679
It was like that thing was alive, like you could almost hear it thinking

443
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:47,000
or feel it thinking. Radiated such
beautiful light, and we just looked at

444
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:51,599
each other and and he's trying to
start the car and get him once start

445
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:57,000
and then I at this tinlassic stuff, you know, at this time the

446
00:35:58,519 --> 00:36:01,840
guy it's like it's like every B
movie too. The hell over there?

447
00:36:02,079 --> 00:36:06,800
You know. In the script it
says the car won't start. I remember

448
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,119
we had the radio on it.
It's you know, while the car was

449
00:36:09,159 --> 00:36:14,320
still going, it stopped. The
car stopped, everything did, even us,

450
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,079
and our mouths open, and the
thing went up over the hood,

451
00:36:17,119 --> 00:36:23,679
up over the windshield, and the
car got filled with this very bright light,

452
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:28,519
and up it went and it was
gone. And I was on the

453
00:36:28,559 --> 00:36:35,719
floor and I can remember reaching over
and saying what was that? And we

454
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:37,280
both got out of the car about
the same time. Looked around. It

455
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:42,599
was nowhere, nowhere, It was
gone. Linda, what would you estimate

456
00:36:42,639 --> 00:36:45,679
would be the size of the creature
that you saw flying in the side,

457
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:55,599
eight to nine feet tall, long, slender, long, black, and

458
00:36:55,760 --> 00:37:00,960
you know the old pictures of Superman
flying with these arms back, That's what

459
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:07,480
it looked like. I couldn't see
its face, but it wasn't really heavy

460
00:37:07,519 --> 00:37:12,039
body, but you know, it
was like muscular in it. It didn't

461
00:37:12,079 --> 00:37:16,239
flap its wings. It didn't make
any noise. It just up and gone

462
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:22,159
out, and it flew up into
the trees. And all I can remember

463
00:37:22,199 --> 00:37:25,840
seeing was something dark sitting up in
the trees, and I'm hanging up to

464
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:30,199
grab some frice. I didn't fall
out the window. But it's like,

465
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:34,480
did that thing come from it?
Was it with it? Was it in

466
00:37:34,559 --> 00:37:42,760
it in the UFO? I don't
know flap its wings or anything. No,

467
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:47,440
did you get the impression that it
was mechanical and not biological? No,

468
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:52,800
I actually thought it was something biological. I thought it was a flying

469
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:59,800
man is. Really it didn't frighten
me very much. I really wanted to

470
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,480
go back and see if we could
see it again, and he didn't want

471
00:38:02,519 --> 00:38:08,039
to. But you know, it's
probably best we didn't. But that something

472
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:14,599
sent that century or object out to
find us, I know it did.

473
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:20,840
So we decided to go back home, and first we went the sentry to

474
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,159
find you was at the first object
to the second best second one, that

475
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:28,199
a little round one, And you
really felt that that might have been even

476
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:32,320
biological. Yes, I felt like
it was trying to communicate. I felt

477
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:39,880
like it sending out feelings. Nothing, nothing harmful or derogatory or strange or

478
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:45,280
anything like that. It just had
a calming sense about it. Not angelic,

479
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:49,960
really, but I got the sense
that thing, the whole thing was

480
00:38:50,039 --> 00:38:55,960
alive. It just reradiated that sense
to me. A couple of things,

481
00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:01,480
Uh, there were many sightings of
the mock man where sometimes it would put

482
00:39:01,559 --> 00:39:06,719
its wings behind it take off straight
like a helicopter. Yeah, flap its

483
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:10,360
wings at all? And how it
did. It flew at a what a

484
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:15,639
forty five degree angle, just up. And you know, there were many

485
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:20,320
that that that that said it did
not flap its wings. Also that there

486
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,039
were oh go ahead, Linda,
now I just say it didn't. I

487
00:39:23,079 --> 00:39:28,320
didn't see it flap anything. And
there are a couple sightings, not very

488
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,199
many. Most people when they saw
this this creature, whatever it was apparition,

489
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:36,679
saw it without any light or UFO. But there were a couple that

490
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,760
did. And that was Marcella Bennett
when she and her brother went out to

491
00:39:40,199 --> 00:39:45,079
scare some friends without the TNT area. She was holding her infant child.

492
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,559
Her brother was trying to get her
attention to look at this light up in

493
00:39:47,599 --> 00:39:52,480
the sky, and she wasn't interested. And that's when the moth man or

494
00:39:52,519 --> 00:39:55,280
whatever rose up out of the ground. And one other thing. When John

495
00:39:55,400 --> 00:40:00,840
Keel was down in the Chief Cornstock
area, he saw these purple light swarming

496
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,280
around this tree. They came down
close to him. They were about the

497
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,920
size of basketballs and they swarmed around
him, and he had a distinct impression

498
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:14,960
that they were actually some kind of
an animal or something like that. I

499
00:40:15,039 --> 00:40:19,679
believe it. I think it's alive. I think I think it. I

500
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:23,880
was just talking to somebody the other
day about he saw one ball and as

501
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:29,639
he watched it, it split into
two and went in opposite directions for just

502
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,039
a few minutes, and then it
went back into one. And I said,

503
00:40:32,079 --> 00:40:37,599
that reminded me of something that would
buy locate, you know, if

504
00:40:37,679 --> 00:40:45,280
you've ever read much about something by
locating and also shape shifting. After I

505
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:52,440
was regressed to see if there was
what happened to my missing time, I

506
00:40:52,519 --> 00:40:55,679
remember that I had fall I had
fallen off of the hood of the car.

507
00:40:57,199 --> 00:41:00,639
I slipped off with a quilt that
we had and I fell to the

508
00:41:00,679 --> 00:41:07,719
ground and I was sitting on the
ground and I remember looking and there were

509
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:19,840
these big feet and a tall individual
with large feet, and I feel uncomfortable

510
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:25,559
telling people about this because it's so
weird. But this actually is what I

511
00:41:25,599 --> 00:41:30,519
said under hypnosis. The thing picked
me up. He was already in the

512
00:41:30,559 --> 00:41:36,800
car. It took him out.
It put me in across the bench seat

513
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,840
and put him in and close the
door. And that's why I couldn't remember

514
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:45,280
how I got in the car.
That's when I looked out, and I

515
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:49,800
looked up and saw that creature fly
away. To me, that first thing,

516
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:54,440
what I saw under hypnosis could have
been a big foot. I do

517
00:41:54,559 --> 00:41:59,280
a picture that when I came home
from my regression therapy. I still have

518
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:04,519
it, and I'm sitting on the
ground and all I can see is that

519
00:42:04,599 --> 00:42:08,360
creature's feet and just the just the
thought of something like that touching me,

520
00:42:08,599 --> 00:42:13,239
picking me up, and putting me. It's no wonder I had PTSD.

521
00:42:14,119 --> 00:42:16,920
I still get shakes when I think
about it. But you know, I'm

522
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:22,000
not the only one that has happened
to There's so many people that have never

523
00:42:22,039 --> 00:42:28,360
come forward because of ridicule, and
I fear that people will believe them.

524
00:42:29,199 --> 00:42:32,119
Well, when you say you saw
these feet, were they so? Do

525
00:42:32,159 --> 00:42:37,159
you mean that you saw bare feet
like they weren't? You know there were

526
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:43,519
boots or anything? Yeah, they
were they were bare bare feet. Um,

527
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:51,159
they didn't have they didn't have regular
toes, but they didn't have claude

528
00:42:51,159 --> 00:42:57,679
feet like a bird. Um.
But they were just these large feet and

529
00:42:57,679 --> 00:43:01,280
and large thick legs that came down
to them. And I can remember,

530
00:43:02,199 --> 00:43:07,119
I don't whether I passed out or
I closed my eyes, that I can

531
00:43:07,119 --> 00:43:13,639
remember something picking me up with that
blanket and taking me and putting me in

532
00:43:13,679 --> 00:43:19,480
the car. And do you did
think that this whatever this was, was

533
00:43:19,519 --> 00:43:24,360
definitely separate from the winged creature you
know now, or was it the same

534
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:29,639
possible? I think it was the
same creature. Okay, but did it

535
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,159
shape shaft or was it the creature
just have weird feet, white ahead.

536
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:39,159
I don't know. Um, it
didn't hurt me. I don't think that

537
00:43:39,639 --> 00:43:44,199
is one. I mean there have
when people study the literature, Uh,

538
00:43:44,519 --> 00:43:49,719
this is a really bizarre experience.
But but the literature is full of bizarre

539
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:54,000
experiences when right. You know,
people are oftentimes very hesitant to talk about

540
00:43:54,039 --> 00:43:59,239
the extra weird stuff. They'll talk
about, you know, a very narrow

541
00:44:00,559 --> 00:44:04,079
rendition of what happened to them,
but if it gets too bizarre, they

542
00:44:04,119 --> 00:44:07,199
just want to suppress a lot of
that stuff exactly, and my psychologist that

543
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:13,400
hypnotize me said, I want you
to come back because I know there's a

544
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:19,280
lot more that we haven't covered.
And I was so traumatized. I just

545
00:44:20,159 --> 00:44:23,159
I told her I would, but
I never did. And you know something

546
00:44:23,199 --> 00:44:27,920
that maybe down the road, maybe
I'll do it again. But I did

547
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:32,440
draw pictures of what I saw and
it was uncanny. Okay, now we're

548
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:35,679
going to get back to you because
I know there's a lot more. That's

549
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:39,239
fine, that's fine. I need
some time to come down. But first

550
00:44:39,559 --> 00:44:43,800
we're gonna do my little intermission.
Here. You are listening to the High

551
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:47,719
Strangers Factor Copywriter the Paranormal UK Radio
Network. I am Steve Warrett, and

552
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:52,480
I am with the Creature Seeker.
He and I are talking to Linda Sigma

553
00:44:52,639 --> 00:44:58,599
and Chris Parsons about all things weird
and unknown. Chris, tell us more

554
00:44:58,639 --> 00:45:01,480
about your story? Uh, what
kind of you know? What? What?

555
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,760
What did you go from there?
I mean, I know I've I've

556
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:08,119
talked to you at some length and
I know you're intensely passionate about this stuff.

557
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:14,000
Tell us more about your story and
what has grabbed you well, you

558
00:45:14,039 --> 00:45:15,360
know, I think one of the
things we talked about that day in the

559
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:21,760
restaurant, Steve, who is There
are people and I'm one of them that

560
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:23,840
will encounter certain things in your life. And it's like a duck in water.

561
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:29,719
There's no you don't you don't have
to talk yourself into that's what I

562
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,760
like or I I it's like that's
who I am. Like science fiction,

563
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:37,880
Um, I love it. I
love English, love history. Obviously it's

564
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:42,199
in my background. It's why I
studied in college. But I remember at

565
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:45,800
a very early age, I think
the very first movie I ever saw as

566
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:49,920
a child that I remember was over
in Ashland, Kentucky, and I'm trying

567
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,800
to think of the name of the
theater, but it was an old,

568
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:59,119
old the remake of Mysterious Island with
Ray obviously Ray Harry Howson, who did

569
00:45:59,119 --> 00:46:04,880
the trem this thaking work of you
remember Jason and the Argonauts in the seventies

570
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:09,760
and now, oh my gosh.
And then I think the penultimate thing for

571
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:15,239
me when I was a child was
Clash of the Titans with with uh with

572
00:46:15,559 --> 00:46:22,239
Uh Harry Hamlin and of course the
late the late great Uh Oh my god

573
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:25,280
playing Zeus helped me out. Yes, Sir Laurence Olivier, Yes, thank

574
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:30,599
you, andres played yes right,
yes, and this a stellar cast.

575
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:37,119
Yeah, I know it. But
the point I'm making is it's like this

576
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:44,280
was as natural to me as as
breathing underwater, all of this comic book

577
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:51,599
science fiction, I mean, and
then the phenomena of trying to put into

578
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:58,320
print all of the various permutations of
what all of this could be from a

579
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:02,400
story, from from from driving and
just telling a story to actually making a

580
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:07,239
documentary of people's experiences. And you
know, one of my favorite things today,

581
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:12,280
of course, you know, we
have chat GPT and we're talking about

582
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:16,400
maybe we're looking at the beginning of
what could be what we've seen in the

583
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:20,599
movies now for the last forty years, the emergence maybe of a Skynet.

584
00:47:21,079 --> 00:47:23,960
You know, some of the best
science fiction in the world asked these questions

585
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:29,199
of what if with all the phenomenology, with all these creatures, with all

586
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:32,239
this tech. Here are some of
the classic stories, and of course,

587
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:37,280
you know, it's driven Hollywood for
for sixty seventy years, and it's just

588
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:42,800
one of those things. And I've
done presentations on the connection between UFOs and

589
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:47,599
studios, and there's a wonderful book
God bless his heart. I just found

590
00:47:47,599 --> 00:47:51,679
out that he that he passed away, and I'm trying to think of his

591
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:58,880
name. But he's wrote a book
hard Me, Bruce Rucks. He did

592
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,000
something about aliens and Hollywood. Maybe
maybe it's a different Yeah, I'm trying

593
00:48:01,039 --> 00:48:05,480
to think of his name, and
I never got a chance to meet him,

594
00:48:05,519 --> 00:48:10,159
sadly, but it's just it's one
of those things Steve where trying to

595
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:15,480
figure out you hear all of these
incredible stories, the UFO stories. We

596
00:48:15,519 --> 00:48:21,039
talk about Roswell obviously the most probably
arguably the most well known, and but

597
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:24,880
what do I always love are the
individual stories of people who have had encounters.

598
00:48:25,559 --> 00:48:30,039
I remember one of my favorite stories
is Robert Sala being down on the

599
00:48:30,119 --> 00:48:36,760
silo and the nuclear site, a
nuclear launch missile out west, and the

600
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:42,280
men are frantically calling down saying,
hey, we've got this UFO that's bleeding

601
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,280
red, and the guys are ready
to shoot it. And then the next

602
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:51,159
thing you know, all of the
all of the nuclear all of the silos

603
00:48:51,199 --> 00:48:55,400
go dead, the nuclear armaments go
offline, and of course that's mathematically possible,

604
00:48:55,639 --> 00:49:00,639
impossibly because they're not connected through the
network. So just those individual stories

605
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:05,000
that you collect over the years.
We go to the you know, we

606
00:49:05,079 --> 00:49:09,039
go to the all the various conferences, and I've had the chance to meet

607
00:49:09,159 --> 00:49:14,320
so many of these people. And
you know, I was telling you one

608
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:19,199
of my biggest pet peeves in the
world are people I call them the armchair

609
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:23,679
agnostics who just want to sit back
and just poo poo on, for lack

610
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:29,440
of a better word, on people
and the phenomena in the idea that any

611
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:34,800
of this could be real without doing
a thimble's worth of research or meeting or

612
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:39,559
talking to anyone. And of course
my favorite witness has always been the hardcore

613
00:49:39,679 --> 00:49:45,800
skeptic whose life is forever changed with
their their encounter, whether it's bigfoot,

614
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:50,239
a crypted UFO, you name it. Those are some of my favorite witnesses

615
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:54,159
in the world. Are the people
who actually say there is nothing to it,

616
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:59,280
and then it happens to them,
and obviously it changes their life forever.

617
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:05,920
So we could spend days upon days
upon days of recounting and telling the

618
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:12,880
stories across the board of people who
had no idea, no interest, nothing

619
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:15,760
going on in the boom. These
things happened to these people, and they're

620
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:20,719
brought forth and they say, I
know what I saw, or I'm pretty

621
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,719
damn sure I know what I saw. I have so much respect for Bruce

622
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:29,960
and anyone else who says I can't
definitively tell you that it was this,

623
00:50:30,199 --> 00:50:32,920
or was that, wasn't that.
All I can do is share my experience.

624
00:50:34,119 --> 00:50:36,559
I can tell you what my eyes
perceived. I can tell you the

625
00:50:36,599 --> 00:50:40,639
emotions I was feeling, and what
it's made me do or led me to

626
00:50:40,679 --> 00:50:45,840
do, or what I thought or
felt about it. And like I say,

627
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:52,599
this is bomb and I are constantly
every single day we are reading about

628
00:50:52,679 --> 00:50:58,000
something, We're watching a documentary,
we're listening to a podcast, and we're

629
00:50:58,039 --> 00:51:01,039
doing all of this stuff to try
and educate ourselves and get a little bit

630
00:51:01,039 --> 00:51:07,079
closer to tying into one in the
world. Are people all over the world

631
00:51:07,119 --> 00:51:14,599
experiencing and and and how can we
move the ball down the field, so

632
00:51:14,639 --> 00:51:19,400
to speak? And trying to figure
out these mysteries that remain on the fringe

633
00:51:20,039 --> 00:51:24,000
but are persistent. And again depending
on how far back, perhaps to the

634
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:29,760
beginning of written history, with you, with humanity encountering things that should not

635
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:37,880
exist. Okay, you mentioned um, you know sky Nut, you know

636
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:42,320
and and speak of things that you
know, we think a lot of this

637
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:46,119
is fiction, right, Um,
you just reminded me of an article I

638
00:51:46,199 --> 00:51:52,320
read about this company called open Ai
and they had this artificial intelligence. It

639
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:55,199
was basically a chat bot, and
they gave it a task and you know,

640
00:51:55,599 --> 00:51:58,599
um, you know, when you
have to verify something, you have

641
00:51:58,639 --> 00:52:02,079
to verify that you're not a rope
bought by clicking on these pictures and or

642
00:52:02,519 --> 00:52:06,639
typing in these It'll show you a
picture of these letters and you have to

643
00:52:06,639 --> 00:52:13,239
type in what the letters are.
Well, this company gave this chatbot the

644
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:15,719
task of how would you get around
this? And the first thing it did

645
00:52:16,639 --> 00:52:22,159
was it contacted the contact of the
human tricked it and said, hey,

646
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:28,119
I can't I can't complete this capture
as we captures what it's called, I

647
00:52:28,119 --> 00:52:31,119
can't complete this capture because I'm blind, blind, I'm visually impaired. Can

648
00:52:31,159 --> 00:52:36,079
you help me with this? So, you know, you want to talk

649
00:52:36,119 --> 00:52:39,360
about the exact same article, Bruce. It's incredible, Yeah, it's it's

650
00:52:39,519 --> 00:52:45,719
really incredible, you know. And
then there's this other experiment a different group

651
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:51,000
of folks did where they had two
chatbots talk to each other. And what

652
00:52:51,159 --> 00:52:59,159
happened was that these two chat bots
they started creating their own language because because

653
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,000
English was not it wasn't efficient,
you know, so they started making up

654
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:07,159
their own language and they were actually
communicating with each other, and they basically

655
00:53:07,199 --> 00:53:09,360
had to shut it down because they
you know, they didn't know what was

656
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:14,840
going on, what these things were
plotting. But yeah, I mean it's

657
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:19,079
where it's truth is stranger than science, right, Chris, Oh, no

658
00:53:19,119 --> 00:53:22,280
doubt. You know, it makes
me wonder, Bruce. Like so many

659
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:27,440
other science fiction stories, it's kind
of like, is Pandora's box been opened?

660
00:53:28,039 --> 00:53:30,800
Is that code out there in some
way, somewhere out on the network,

661
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:37,119
somewhere in a computer and cyberspace,
like so many great stories, where

662
00:53:37,199 --> 00:53:43,719
it is slowly, maturely building what
we would call intelligence and to the point

663
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:46,360
where you know, you talk is
it the touring test we talked about,

664
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:52,679
we're becoming self aware and you have
the ability to meet what we would what

665
00:53:52,679 --> 00:53:57,800
we would call basic consciousness, the
ability to independently think and come to your

666
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:02,800
own conclusions about things, and then
the permutation what does that mean for humanity?

667
00:54:04,639 --> 00:54:07,840
I remember one of my favorite crossover
comic books back in the day in

668
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:15,079
the nineties was RoboCop Versus terminator and
spoiler alert, I mean that's from twenty

669
00:54:15,079 --> 00:54:16,480
five to thirty years ago. I
don't feel two bad talking about it.

670
00:54:16,519 --> 00:54:21,800
But for those who haven't read it, I believe it was written by the

671
00:54:22,079 --> 00:54:25,719
amazing and drawn by the Walter Simonson, who was just incredible back in the

672
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:30,119
day with thor and so many other
things that he worked on. But the

673
00:54:30,159 --> 00:54:39,480
basic premise was they Skynet existed,
well, the RoboCop intelligence basically was able

674
00:54:39,519 --> 00:54:46,440
to survive into the future after after
Independence Day, and it was it basically

675
00:54:46,679 --> 00:54:54,400
found its way into a network in
a computer that wasn't been watched by Skynet,

676
00:54:54,480 --> 00:55:00,039
and it came out and was able
to manufacture and obviously avenge overthrow Skynet

677
00:55:00,159 --> 00:55:04,639
in the story. But the point
that I remember reading back then was to

678
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:10,119
myself was what if in the future, exactly what's happening now something like that

679
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:19,199
quote gets loose, is not corralled, and slowly maturely over time. And

680
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:22,320
like you say, I mean,
we talk in terms of arithmetic progression one

681
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:29,199
plus one plus one, but we're
looking now at quantum computing in ten thousand,

682
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:32,920
a million, a billion, ten
trillion, how fast these things can

683
00:55:34,119 --> 00:55:37,719
learn? And what again, whether
it's a good or a bad science fiction

684
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:45,519
story. What will AI eventually turn
into? And where can we go?

685
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:47,920
I mean, where will it take
us? It's both at the same time,

686
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:52,280
like Schroedecker's cat, you know,
in that box. At the same

687
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:59,519
time, it's absolutely fascinating to talk
about all the good things that will happen,

688
00:55:59,559 --> 00:56:02,840
and then obviously we've seen all the
movies to depict, you know,

689
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:07,280
just how bad it can be.
And I think about that constantly. What

690
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:14,079
kind of doom or what kind of
amazing break views are we going to have

691
00:56:14,159 --> 00:56:17,119
tomorrow? And what will you know, what will these things end up becoming.

692
00:56:17,199 --> 00:56:22,639
It's it's something that I think we
should struggle. We struggle with all

693
00:56:22,639 --> 00:56:25,599
the time. Jeff Goldblum. I
remember in Jurassic Park. I just was

694
00:56:25,639 --> 00:56:29,880
talking to my buddies the other day, saying, we stand on the shoulders

695
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:34,320
of others. You didn't really earn
this technology and now the things, these

696
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:37,559
things are real, you know,
can we deal with and we saw what

697
00:56:37,639 --> 00:56:42,320
happened in the movie. Will that
happen with consciousness and computers? And will

698
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:46,880
we eventually have something that will launch
some type of biological or a physical attack

699
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:52,519
on humanity? In the in the
in the idea that we are an inferior

700
00:56:52,639 --> 00:56:59,800
species and they need to protect The
best way to protect humanity from humanity is

701
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:02,760
to is to take us all out. Well, you know, we're not

702
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:06,880
the only ones to think about this. I know that, um like Elon

703
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:10,639
Musk warned about the dangers of artificial
intelligence. Of course, this company,

704
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:16,719
Tesla, they're you know, they're
on the beyond the sort of the the

705
00:57:16,719 --> 00:57:21,559
tip of the spear when it comes
to AI. Also, um, what

706
00:57:21,719 --> 00:57:25,360
was that guy's Jeffrey Hinton, right, the father of artificial intelligence? He

707
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:29,960
could question people because he just said, Look he did, didn't We're dealing

708
00:57:30,039 --> 00:57:32,920
with things that we have no idea
what the consequences are, you know,

709
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:37,559
no idea. So it's really fascinating. You know, that's a lot like

710
00:57:37,639 --> 00:57:43,079
my life. I lift it without
figuring out what the consequences would be.

711
00:57:45,599 --> 00:57:50,760
You were gonna say something frizzy.
No, It's just I can't tell you,

712
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:53,239
gentlemen, how much I'm enjoying this. And Mom and I we never

713
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:58,760
have enough conversations about this. It's
just I think one of the most frustrating

714
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:04,679
things in the world as a human
being is to there's two possibilities always,

715
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:08,119
you know, and there's all kinds
of quotes of wisdom talking about it,

716
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:15,280
whether spiritually or just functionally. Is
the things that you can control behavior decision,

717
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:17,880
personal decisions. And then you think
about all the things in the world

718
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:23,960
that we absolutely have zero control over, what certain corporations are doing behind the

719
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:30,119
scenes, governments and other other people. There's so many things that I think

720
00:58:30,119 --> 00:58:36,119
what Bruce was intimating or leading essentially
saying without saying, is the discoveries that

721
00:58:36,199 --> 00:58:39,320
impact us every single day that we
have absolutely nothing to do with. And

722
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:45,280
it's kind of like you're sitting there
and you're watching the world, you're watching

723
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:50,679
the news, you're reading wired magazines, you're on podcast, and I guess

724
00:58:50,719 --> 00:58:54,039
I could say, I guess I'm
not surprised about where we are and where

725
00:58:54,039 --> 00:59:00,000
we're going. You look at nineteen
eighty four and some of the surveillance things

726
00:59:00,039 --> 00:59:05,559
have happened throughout history, and you
just feel history unfolding in a certain way

727
00:59:05,639 --> 00:59:12,079
that we've already predicted in film and
book and in speculations. Are great conversations

728
00:59:12,119 --> 00:59:17,800
and it's it's it's again simultaneously frightening
and exciting all at the same time.

729
00:59:19,559 --> 00:59:22,639
Well, I experienced that with my
plumbing. I didn't know what was coming.

730
00:59:22,719 --> 00:59:25,039
I had antic stay in a hotel
for a week. But now,

731
00:59:25,159 --> 00:59:29,679
speaking of mom Linda, we've gotta
have to get back to Linda. We're

732
00:59:29,679 --> 00:59:32,440
going to go back to those days
of yesteryear, the year of the Garuda

733
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:38,000
the moth Man, and this is
what Linda would go to uh December sixty

734
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:42,760
seven, This is a couple of
weeks before the Silver Bridge collapsed. Ontocem

735
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:46,440
Or fifteenth, nineteen sixty seven,
you went to downtown Point Pleasant and had

736
00:59:46,599 --> 00:59:51,440
kind of a strange experience. As
I recall, we used to go at

737
00:59:51,599 --> 00:59:55,199
across the old Silver Bridge and it
would swing like somebody pushing it, and

738
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:59,280
you sit there long enough and you'd
think it was going to go all the

739
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:04,559
way around. But as a teenager, we weren't afraid. So it was.

740
01:00:04,679 --> 01:00:08,000
I went down there to get my
sister a scarf for Christmas, and

741
01:00:08,119 --> 01:00:13,039
they had a dress shop down there, and of course I got stopped in

742
01:00:13,079 --> 01:00:15,920
the middle of the bridge and it
was swinging really hard, and I was

743
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:20,320
by myself, and it was getting
dark, but you know, that's what

744
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:24,679
it always did. So I got
down to Point Pleasant and parked in front

745
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:29,719
of the store. I wish I
could remember the nameless store. I'll have

746
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:34,280
to look it up. But when
I pulled into park, he parked right

747
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:38,639
in front of the store. There
was a strange man and he was leaning

748
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:45,440
against the building, just a little
bit away from the door where you walk

749
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:49,400
in. And I kind of hesitated, thinking, well, he's gonna leave

750
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:52,320
here in just a minute, and
he didn't. So I got out and

751
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:58,320
I went I had to walk past
him to get into the store, and

752
01:00:59,039 --> 01:01:01,559
I kind of nodded, and he
didn't even acknowledge Drac like he saw me

753
01:01:01,719 --> 01:01:07,079
or anything. And he was very
strange. He had a black coat,

754
01:01:07,199 --> 01:01:12,760
black hat, typical man in black. Even had sunglasses on. But I

755
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:15,480
noticed when I walked last night,
right, yeah, it was. It

756
01:01:15,599 --> 01:01:23,519
was it was evening, probably about
eight o'clock, seven twenty seven and eight.

757
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:28,559
It was dark because they had I
can remember the Christmas lights. How

758
01:01:28,599 --> 01:01:32,760
pretty. But he had one foot
up against the door, up against the

759
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:39,280
building, and I thought that was
odd me to stand there, very statue

760
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:45,920
statuesque, I guess you got.
He didn't move, and I just kind

761
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:50,960
of went on around him and went
in and I got what I wanted and

762
01:01:51,079 --> 01:01:52,719
was looking around in there about twenty
minutes, and I thought, well,

763
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:57,280
he'll be gone there, I won't
worry about him. But when I went

764
01:01:57,320 --> 01:02:00,320
out, he was still there,
and I had to walk in front of

765
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:07,880
him again. But first I looked
down the road and they had street lights

766
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:14,280
down there. I think they still
have those tall fashioned street lamps. There

767
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:16,880
was another guy that looked just like
him when he was standing down there.

768
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:22,599
It was just weird, just standing
there, and so I hurried to get

769
01:02:22,599 --> 01:02:24,639
in the car. I can remember
I got chills when I walked past him.

770
01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:30,840
I think I granted hello or high
or something, just to see if

771
01:02:30,599 --> 01:02:35,639
he would look or say something.
He didn't, but I got a real

772
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:40,519
good look at him. I mean, he wasn't very tall. I would

773
01:02:40,599 --> 01:02:46,639
say, I don't know, five
six maybe, and that, you know,

774
01:02:46,679 --> 01:02:57,400
he had a hat on two and
his skin was sort of a grayish

775
01:02:57,519 --> 01:03:06,000
olive tone on my screen, you
know, just weird. And the other

776
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:08,719
guy was the same, about the
same. He was a little bit taller,

777
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:13,159
I think, but he was farther
away, but he was just leaning

778
01:03:13,199 --> 01:03:17,719
against that pole, just holding onto
it. And so I went. I

779
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:23,280
got in the car, and I
just had the weirdest feeling because I don't

780
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:28,360
think I heard much about the men
in black. I think they called him

781
01:03:28,639 --> 01:03:32,320
g men or something. We're down
there and looking around the government. The

782
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:37,840
government guys were coming in their black
cars and looking around and stuff. But

783
01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:39,639
I didn't see any cars. I
just saw those two guys, and I

784
01:03:39,679 --> 01:03:47,400
got in and I went home.
And then a few days later my sister

785
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:52,239
got married. I think it was
the fifteenth of December, and I'm just

786
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:57,559
trying to remember when the bridge felt. Was either fifteenth or the sixteen fifteenth,

787
01:03:57,559 --> 01:04:01,599
Okay, she got married the day
afterwards, which was the sixteenth.

788
01:04:01,639 --> 01:04:08,440
But I got up that morning and
I had had a really strange dream of

789
01:04:09,159 --> 01:04:14,119
the night before then. It was
right before the bridge fell. I told

790
01:04:14,159 --> 01:04:18,239
my mom that I had a dream
that there was all these packages floating in

791
01:04:18,239 --> 01:04:24,320
the river, and I could hear
metal scraping against metal, and people screaming

792
01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:30,360
and children crying and metal hitting metal
like a gigantic wreck or some kind of

793
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:35,000
explosion, and all I could remember
was all this stuff in disarray. And

794
01:04:35,679 --> 01:04:38,920
she said, oh, you just
have a how to dream, you know,

795
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:47,719
you have weird dreams. So that
night we had a party at school.

796
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:50,639
We had some kind of a dance. I think it was a winter

797
01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:57,119
dance or something, and the band
was coming from Charleston and we were there

798
01:04:57,119 --> 01:05:01,320
and we were waiting for them to
come and one came in and said the

799
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:04,280
bridge had fallen. I'm like,
oh, yeah, you guys, are

800
01:05:04,679 --> 01:05:10,800
which bridge the primary Mason Bridge And
they said no, the Silver Bridge,

801
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:13,840
and gall Palus was like, ah, yeah, it swings all the time.

802
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:16,719
It's a suspension bridge and blah blah, and they're like, no,

803
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:21,039
it really happened. And the band
was coming from down that way, and

804
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:25,599
we figured they'd come across that bridge. They I think they were waiting in

805
01:05:25,679 --> 01:05:30,880
line to come across. It was
early, they were decorating and they you

806
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:32,920
know, they had come from Charleston, so it was quite a ways up

807
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:40,960
there. But I didn't realize until
I read John Keel's book The Mothman Prophecies,

808
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:45,679
that other people shared that dream of
seeing packages floating in the water people

809
01:05:46,119 --> 01:05:51,000
very higher was one, and yeah, miss Thomas that lived in the area.

810
01:05:51,199 --> 01:05:54,679
But also, when when did you
read the book. I know it

811
01:05:54,679 --> 01:06:00,280
came out about eight years after the
events, about seventy five. Remember about

812
01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:05,000
when you read the book? Yeah, it was let's see, my first

813
01:06:05,079 --> 01:06:09,960
child was born in seventy three,
and then I had a second one in

814
01:06:10,039 --> 01:06:15,760
seventy six, so I figured it
was like seventy seven seventy eight. It

815
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:20,199
was later. What was it like
when you heard the passages about the odd

816
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:24,920
men and black in that book and
you thought back to the experience you had

817
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:28,480
that cold chills. Now, it's
like an epiphany, I guess you'd call

818
01:06:28,519 --> 01:06:32,039
it. It's like, oh,
I should I tell someone? Would they

819
01:06:32,039 --> 01:06:35,039
believe me? No, they wouldn't
blame me. And I was at the

820
01:06:35,079 --> 01:06:40,519
point in my life where I was
raising two small kids, and and but

821
01:06:40,639 --> 01:06:45,199
I just I couldn't wait to see
the movie. And so when I did

822
01:06:45,239 --> 01:06:48,559
see the movie, there was a
lot of it in there that was like

823
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:53,880
a lot of us were experiencing at
the time. It was sensationalized, of

824
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:56,880
course, but you know, there
was a lot of truth in it.

825
01:06:57,880 --> 01:07:01,199
All the strange happenings and everything.
Well, you did different. You had

826
01:07:01,320 --> 01:07:12,800
the classic Cadillac start to finish.
And then at one of the mothman Um

827
01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:18,199
festivals I went to, I had
the pleasure meeting uh, the lady that

828
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:28,199
her brothers and she uh Fade and
we talked for a while, and we

829
01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:34,360
found out that we were both six
generations chief Cornstock granddaughters. Really, and

830
01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:39,480
she told me, if I can
remember correctly, that there were other people

831
01:07:39,519 --> 01:07:45,840
too that had witnessed a mothman and
they were also that lineage. Very interesting

832
01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:54,159
finding out all this connections, synchronicities. You know, let's face it,

833
01:07:54,239 --> 01:07:57,519
Linda, you're just weird, that's
all. I am. Weird. I

834
01:07:57,639 --> 01:08:01,239
love it. Get the weird I
get because you know, what are people

835
01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:03,960
gonna say? Now? Where are
they gonna do to me? I mean,

836
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:08,800
all I'm telling you, like Chris
said, you experience it. You

837
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:13,159
don't know for sure what you saw. You just know you saw something anyway,

838
01:08:13,199 --> 01:08:15,760
something you couldn't explain. I've always
said that we have to listen to

839
01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:20,479
the experience or even though sometimes the
advanced, you know, border on high

840
01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:25,560
strangeness. Now, Bruce back to
you. You had another interesting story to

841
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:30,880
tell us. Um, yeah,
but I don't. I mean, it's

842
01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:36,439
not really interesting. It happened at
the Point Pleasant. Uh happened in Point

843
01:08:36,439 --> 01:08:42,640
Pleasant so? Um, you know
that that hotel that's there, Linda,

844
01:08:43,039 --> 01:08:47,520
Hello, Hello, m hm so. And I think I talked about this

845
01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:55,760
before, but so, this really
strange thing happened so I um was going

846
01:08:55,800 --> 01:09:01,840
to the the Moping event. I
robbed a couple of days early and I

847
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:06,560
met some friends in Point Pleasant.
I was having dinner. There. Used

848
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:12,119
to be this restaurant called the US
at the Iron Gate or Rusty Gate or

849
01:09:12,159 --> 01:09:16,479
something like that Iron Gate, and
I was having dinner there. I called

850
01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:19,720
friends of mine texted me and said, hey, what are you doing.

851
01:09:20,319 --> 01:09:26,640
We're over in Gallipolis and said,
all right, well will you come over

852
01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:30,079
and we'll hang out. So it
was late because I just managed dinner,

853
01:09:30,119 --> 01:09:34,520
probably like ten o'clock or whatever.
They came over and there's really as you

854
01:09:34,560 --> 01:09:41,760
know, Point Pleasant, it's not
really the mecca for nightlife, right,

855
01:09:42,159 --> 01:09:45,680
I mean, they roll up the
streets like eight thirty. So we decided

856
01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:51,720
to go back to my hotel room
at the hotel and it's starting to rain.

857
01:09:51,840 --> 01:09:57,079
It's pouring out and thunder and lightning, and you want to talk about

858
01:09:57,119 --> 01:10:02,840
like the perfect spooky ambiance right as
being in this old hotel and it's it's

859
01:10:02,920 --> 01:10:08,159
thunder and lightning out and raining,
and so you know, I had this

860
01:10:08,279 --> 01:10:11,359
little room, so so I said, hey, you know what, let's

861
01:10:11,439 --> 01:10:15,399
let's let's walk around. Let's explore
this place. So at the time.

862
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:19,279
Um, I don't think you can
do that do this now, But at

863
01:10:19,279 --> 01:10:23,119
the time, you could go up
to the top floor, which is like

864
01:10:23,159 --> 01:10:29,319
the was it the fourth floor,
and there's like a huge wood like hardwood

865
01:10:29,319 --> 01:10:31,960
floors, and I think they probably
use as some sort of function area because

866
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:38,359
when we went up there, it
was there were like tables, uh they

867
01:10:38,359 --> 01:10:42,920
were stacked up against the wall,
and chairs that were stacked up. But

868
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:46,199
as we walked up there, there's
uh, you know, it's dark.

869
01:10:46,039 --> 01:10:49,560
We couldn't find that. We couldn't
find that where the light switches were.

870
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:54,439
So I had just I had this
little flashlight. And so when you go

871
01:10:54,520 --> 01:10:59,399
up the stairs, there's this old
wheelchair, like the kind like a wooden

872
01:10:59,439 --> 01:11:03,039
wheelchair, the kind that FDR used, right. It was just really really

873
01:11:03,039 --> 01:11:06,119
old, and I didn't really think
anything about it. I just thought it

874
01:11:06,159 --> 01:11:10,640
was kind of cool. We're up
there, we're looking around and we're like,

875
01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:14,880
oh, it's kind of neat,
and you know, we're we weren't

876
01:11:14,920 --> 01:11:18,680
up there for more than like ten
minutes, just looking around, and I

877
01:11:18,720 --> 01:11:25,840
remember the strange thing. So I
went I thought, you know, I

878
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:29,199
thought it'd be kind of cool to
sit in the chair. So I walked

879
01:11:29,279 --> 01:11:32,680
up to the chair and a really
strange thing happened. I just felt like

880
01:11:33,720 --> 01:11:40,640
I shouldn't I shouldn't touch it,
And I kicked myself to this very day

881
01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:44,600
that I didn't take a picture of
it or touch it or whatever. But

882
01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:46,600
I just had this feel like a
gun. You know, you should probably

883
01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:51,800
leave it alone out of respect,
so I don't. I don't know what

884
01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:57,680
it was, but anyway, we
leave. The next day, the owners

885
01:11:57,680 --> 01:12:02,800
of the hotel are giving tours of
the hotel, and so we're walking,

886
01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:06,399
you know, we're you know,
I'm on the tour because I'm staying there,

887
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:11,279
I get to do the tour for
free. And we get up to

888
01:12:11,359 --> 01:12:15,359
this room which is like between the
second and third floor. Now my room

889
01:12:15,399 --> 01:12:18,720
was on the third floor, but
in between floors there's this little little like

890
01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:23,239
function room. It's really small,
as big enough for like a really long

891
01:12:23,319 --> 01:12:28,920
table. And we go into this
room and there's this long, long,

892
01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:36,560
rectangular table. At the very end
of it is this old wheelchair, like

893
01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:41,720
like the one I saw the night
before. Now, this room is really

894
01:12:41,800 --> 01:12:46,319
narrow and you can't in order to
get around, like to get to the

895
01:12:46,319 --> 01:12:49,439
other end of the room from where
we came in the door. You actually

896
01:12:49,439 --> 01:12:53,359
had to scoot around like these chairs
that were pushed up against the table,

897
01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:56,079
and you had to kind of had
to go sideways. You know, it

898
01:12:56,159 --> 01:13:00,760
was really tight. So you know, like in order to get that wheelchair

899
01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:02,359
out of that room, you would
have had to pick it up and hold

900
01:13:02,399 --> 01:13:08,680
it over your head and and you
know, shuffle along the room to where

901
01:13:08,720 --> 01:13:12,479
the doors. So I just said, I just casually said, hey,

902
01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:15,399
I saw that. I saw the
chair upstairs on the fourth floor. And

903
01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:21,359
the owner said, that's impossible,
because this chair has been locked in this

904
01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:29,399
room for months. I said,
well, that's you're you're wrong, because

905
01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:31,159
I actually saw it, and so
I did two of my colleagues. We

906
01:13:31,479 --> 01:13:35,319
saw that exact same chair. And
the owner said, well, let me

907
01:13:35,359 --> 01:13:40,159
tell you a story about this chair. And she she told the whole crowd.

908
01:13:41,319 --> 01:13:46,399
And apparently when they first bought that
hotel, the chair had belonged to

909
01:13:46,399 --> 01:13:50,720
one of the previous owners, this
this woman, and um, when they

910
01:13:50,760 --> 01:13:56,439
bought the hotel, the chair came
with a hotel and it was because of

911
01:13:56,479 --> 01:13:59,800
its age, you know, it
was probably worth a little bit of money,

912
01:14:00,439 --> 01:14:02,600
and so they put it in this
They put it in this room for

913
01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:09,600
safekeeping. Well, one day the
chair turns up missing, and so it

914
01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:13,600
was gone for months. No one
knew where it was, and the owner

915
01:14:13,640 --> 01:14:18,720
had suspected that her husband had sold
the chair and didn't tell her about it

916
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:23,600
or to refuse to own up to
it. So the chair was gone.

917
01:14:24,439 --> 01:14:30,319
And then one day, very mysteriously, the chair showed up in this room

918
01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:35,880
where where they had originally locked it
up. So to safeguard the chair not

919
01:14:36,119 --> 01:14:42,800
you know, not being stolen in
or you know, being absconded with by

920
01:14:43,159 --> 01:14:47,359
one of the hotel employees or family
members, the owner put this chair in

921
01:14:47,359 --> 01:14:51,920
that room that was under lock and
key, and she turned it in such

922
01:14:51,960 --> 01:14:57,399
a way that she knew that if
the chair had been moved, she would

923
01:14:57,439 --> 01:15:00,439
have would know because the chair was
not what it was at the end of

924
01:15:00,479 --> 01:15:02,600
the table was. But it was
turned in such a way that that only

925
01:15:02,600 --> 01:15:06,039
she knew how she had left it. And so that's how she knew that

926
01:15:06,079 --> 01:15:12,800
the chair had not left that room. But the mistake was Bruce, you

927
01:15:12,840 --> 01:15:15,560
should have just sat in that chair
and gone for a ride. I know,

928
01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:19,039
I know, so, so I
still refused to believe I saw a

929
01:15:19,079 --> 01:15:25,840
ghost chair. So obviously, after
the tour I run upstairs to the fourth

930
01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:30,800
floor. Chairs. Not there,
there's chairs, not there, There's no

931
01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:35,239
chair there. So I asked,
I asked her husband. Now, her

932
01:15:35,319 --> 01:15:39,279
husband was not on this tour.
He was probably I think it was manning

933
01:15:39,319 --> 01:15:43,880
the front dusk orever. So I
asked him, Hey, um, did

934
01:15:43,920 --> 01:15:47,039
you did you or any member of
your staff moved that chair, the wheelchair

935
01:15:47,119 --> 01:15:50,600
up to the fourth floor and moved
it back down for the for the tour,

936
01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:55,399
Because that seemed pretty plausible to me. He said no, He said

937
01:15:56,359 --> 01:16:00,479
no, no, that my wife
said that chair from for months and uh

938
01:16:00,720 --> 01:16:04,199
no, no one, no one
really bothers with it. So I asked,

939
01:16:04,399 --> 01:16:08,520
m I saw a woman. I
think this was their daughter. I'm

940
01:16:08,560 --> 01:16:11,600
not sure, but this woman was. She was cleaning one of the rooms.

941
01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:14,359
So I asked her about the chair, and she didn't know anything about

942
01:16:14,359 --> 01:16:20,319
the chair. So to this day, it remains a mystery to me what

943
01:16:20,399 --> 01:16:26,520
it was that we saw up on
the fourth floor the night before. And

944
01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:30,560
the fact that this chair, you
know, I had kind of a history,

945
01:16:31,680 --> 01:16:40,439
um, makes it even more of
any enigma. Very strange. Bruce,

946
01:16:42,439 --> 01:16:46,520
Bruce, God, that is an
amazing story. And let me be

947
01:16:46,560 --> 01:16:50,960
presumptuous and tell you exactly what you
saw. You saw a teleporting ghost chair,

948
01:16:51,079 --> 01:16:59,359
Sir, mystery salt, Mystery Salt. That is incredible, And again

949
01:16:59,399 --> 01:17:04,199
it just made these stories are so
ubiquitous. I mean, think about all

950
01:17:04,239 --> 01:17:08,560
of the people Stephen in your life, Bruce in your life, and of

951
01:17:08,600 --> 01:17:15,000
course ours that have something almost to
the tea depending on the genre of the

952
01:17:15,039 --> 01:17:18,600
phenomenology, and it's just so prevalent, and it's all over the world.

953
01:17:19,239 --> 01:17:25,239
I mean, things that absolutely those
strange Knox in the night. And let's

954
01:17:25,359 --> 01:17:30,359
be incredibly conservative and say that ninety
five to ninety nine percent of these are

955
01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:39,600
misperceptions, misidentifications, people who are
lying whatever, whatever. If we want

956
01:17:39,640 --> 01:17:44,319
to say ninety five nine percent of
all of the various stories end up being

957
01:17:44,399 --> 01:17:49,720
debunked. There is an amazing amount
of one percent stories which I believe,

958
01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:59,319
in so many different ways explains exactly
what might be happening behind the scenes.

959
01:18:00,039 --> 01:18:01,880
With all you know, with all
you think about, all the best ghost

960
01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:05,680
stories, all the best UFO cases, all the best bigfoots, all the

961
01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:12,680
best cryptids, there are stories out
there from people that most people would consider

962
01:18:12,720 --> 01:18:18,520
to be unimpeachable and their character unimpeachable
in there and they're untrammeled in their sign

963
01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:25,359
of light or however close they got
to the phenomena, touching it or experiencing

964
01:18:25,399 --> 01:18:30,439
it. It's just it's those things
that I think that people like us know

965
01:18:30,079 --> 01:18:33,359
verbatim backwards and forwards. And you
look at the skeptics out there, and

966
01:18:33,399 --> 01:18:38,079
I think, and I think we're
all without saying it, we all have

967
01:18:38,119 --> 01:18:41,199
to be skeptical. The last thing
in the world I think any one of

968
01:18:41,279 --> 01:18:45,079
us would ever do is see something
and say that's definitive. It's not definitive.

969
01:18:45,119 --> 01:18:49,199
It's it goes into the canid.
It's part of the phenomena. Unless

970
01:18:49,560 --> 01:18:54,239
unless you have the craft, or
unless you have the body, or unless

971
01:18:54,239 --> 01:18:59,159
you have something that the world would
say is definitive. There's all of these

972
01:18:59,199 --> 01:19:08,520
stories by people who again can can
vocalize and verbalize and share their experience in

973
01:19:08,560 --> 01:19:12,479
a way that's again I love I
apparently I love that work because I want

974
01:19:12,479 --> 01:19:15,760
to use it again. Is unimpeachable
in so many ways. They're just so

975
01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:21,680
credible, they're so well spoken,
they their memories. Like I tell this

976
01:19:21,720 --> 01:19:25,880
to people all the time. I
can't tell you when I had for dinner

977
01:19:25,960 --> 01:19:28,479
a week ago, but I can
tell you about that story when I'm ten

978
01:19:28,520 --> 01:19:32,399
years old, like it happened seconds
ago, the feelings, everything that happened,

979
01:19:32,399 --> 01:19:38,920
and it's just it's stories like that
that they keep adding up over time.

980
01:19:39,640 --> 01:19:43,239
And for people like us who have
I would say, I'll say it

981
01:19:43,279 --> 01:19:48,159
out loud, who have the courage
to leap beyond what might be obvious and

982
01:19:48,279 --> 01:19:55,319
just be terse and I think disrespectful
for wanting to just pile on and say

983
01:19:55,359 --> 01:19:58,720
there's no way that that can happen
because we don't see it every day.

984
01:19:59,159 --> 01:20:02,319
It's it's not in the vernacular.
It's not something that we can measure and

985
01:20:02,399 --> 01:20:09,039
diagnose scientifically or otherwise. That doesn't
make it any less real. Okay,

986
01:20:09,439 --> 01:20:13,439
Look, you know, if it
weren't for the fact that there are two

987
01:20:13,560 --> 01:20:17,359
other people who are still alive to
this day who can vouch for everything that

988
01:20:17,399 --> 01:20:20,880
I've said, I would never have
repeated this story. If it were just

989
01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:26,720
me. It is so unbelievable.
I probably would never have repeated this story

990
01:20:26,760 --> 01:20:30,359
to anyone because it's just it's just
so fantastic. Right now, am I

991
01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:35,680
am I leaving out am I saying
that there is no possibility that someone could

992
01:20:35,720 --> 01:20:40,680
have moved that chair from the night
before from the fourth floor down to the

993
01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:46,399
supposed locker room on the third floor. It is possible, but why,

994
01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:49,960
like who if someone were trying to
play a trick on me, how did

995
01:20:50,039 --> 01:20:53,920
they even know that I was going
to go up there to begin with?

996
01:20:55,079 --> 01:20:59,920
Right? I mean, it just
boggles my mind. So I don't know

997
01:21:00,119 --> 01:21:01,920
what. I don't know what it
was to this day. And like I

998
01:21:01,960 --> 01:21:09,239
said, it's it's a very fantastical
story. And it just makes me believe

999
01:21:09,319 --> 01:21:12,800
that, you know, we don't
know all the answers. You know,

1000
01:21:13,000 --> 01:21:16,520
science cannot provide all the answers.
There's there's a lot of mysteries out there

1001
01:21:17,079 --> 01:21:23,680
that you know, have yet to
be solved. Okay, there will always

1002
01:21:23,760 --> 01:21:27,279
be obviously we know this, But
I like saying that there will always be

1003
01:21:27,319 --> 01:21:31,920
more questions and answers. But that
doesn't begin to even that doesn't even begin

1004
01:21:31,960 --> 01:21:35,560
to come close to say, we
have to follow. You follow the evidence,

1005
01:21:35,600 --> 01:21:40,800
you follow the stories, you follow. We're constantly striving to shine the

1006
01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:45,960
light in the darkness of this of
these phenomena and get to the bottom of

1007
01:21:45,000 --> 01:21:48,840
it. But you know, in
so many ways, these stories and these

1008
01:21:48,920 --> 01:21:55,680
beings, this phenomenology is is ephemeral, it's on the it's it's on the

1009
01:21:56,239 --> 01:22:00,279
fringe of reality. And one of
the things I wanted to mention to Steve

1010
01:22:00,319 --> 01:22:04,000
tonight that I love talking and I'm
not exactly sure how much more time we've

1011
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:09,279
got, Steve. We'll go on
if your thought, but we're going to

1012
01:22:09,359 --> 01:22:13,399
have to move on to be understood. But one of the things that I've

1013
01:22:13,479 --> 01:22:16,600
enjoyed, and I'm sure both of
you have never in my life, Steve,

1014
01:22:16,640 --> 01:22:21,840
would I think that given the government
deny, deny, deny, deny,

1015
01:22:21,960 --> 01:22:27,000
deny, deny over the decades,
that the Pentagon and the government would

1016
01:22:27,039 --> 01:22:32,359
actually come out and make the admonitions
or make talk about UFOs being that the

1017
01:22:32,399 --> 01:22:36,079
phenomena is real. They're in the
sky, we can't match them. We

1018
01:22:36,159 --> 01:22:40,960
have no idea who they're from.
But apparently they're not attacking us, so

1019
01:22:41,039 --> 01:22:45,039
we're not taking it all that seriously, or we're not on Defcon one.

1020
01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:48,039
We have no idea what it is. And you've got pilots like David Fraver

1021
01:22:48,039 --> 01:22:53,800
and Ryan Graves and so many other
people. For example, we talk about

1022
01:22:53,800 --> 01:22:58,800
the incident out in California, and
I'm trying to remember the name of it

1023
01:22:58,840 --> 01:23:02,199
that happened, I believe in two
thousand and three. Just an amazing case.

1024
01:23:02,279 --> 01:23:09,840
And that's par for the course for
so many other cases involving various phenomena

1025
01:23:09,960 --> 01:23:17,319
that you have governments and highly vetted
people coming forward telling their stories with absolute

1026
01:23:18,239 --> 01:23:25,279
with absolute clarity of message, saying
these things are happening in the real.

1027
01:23:26,920 --> 01:23:31,279
Okay, now we need to uh, Linda and Chris, you had some

1028
01:23:31,359 --> 01:23:34,840
strange goings on You're your property,
Is that correct? Yes? It is?

1029
01:23:35,239 --> 01:23:41,000
Yeah, well the night of being
under siege. Now you're near at

1030
01:23:41,039 --> 01:23:44,520
Parkersburg, but you're in the country, right, yes, Okay, I

1031
01:23:44,560 --> 01:23:48,399
would like the Creature secret the the
Bigfoot expert to take over, which,

1032
01:23:48,399 --> 01:23:51,840
of course we'll chime in occasionally,
but you guys, I want to hear

1033
01:23:51,880 --> 01:23:56,079
the three of you guys talk for
a while. Well, first of all,

1034
01:23:56,079 --> 01:24:00,479
I'm I'm not an expert. I
just been you know, really interested

1035
01:24:00,520 --> 01:24:05,840
in the subject for a really,
really long time and it just fascinates me

1036
01:24:06,479 --> 01:24:14,359
to think that there could be some
extant species of bipedal hominid still roaming,

1037
01:24:15,319 --> 01:24:21,239
you know, the woodlands of North
America. So to tell us about what's

1038
01:24:21,279 --> 01:24:27,119
been going on in your property,
and it hasn't been going on for a

1039
01:24:27,159 --> 01:24:30,960
long time. It started in twenty
seventeen when I moved out here. My

1040
01:24:31,039 --> 01:24:38,720
daughter owned this house and she wanted
to sell it, so I moved in

1041
01:24:38,239 --> 01:24:45,479
in twenty seventeen and it started as
knocking and scratching downstairs, and until I

1042
01:24:45,520 --> 01:24:50,560
rebuked it in the name of Jesus, it kept it up. You know,

1043
01:24:50,720 --> 01:24:56,159
I couldn't find the source. It
started knocking on the wall, started

1044
01:24:56,199 --> 01:25:00,239
scratching on the floor, which is
cement underneath, And that was the first

1045
01:25:00,279 --> 01:25:04,800
instance I had, and then later
on but quickly do you think that part

1046
01:25:04,840 --> 01:25:09,880
of it was more like a poltergeist
phenomena? Now I think I think it

1047
01:25:09,920 --> 01:25:14,479
was Bigfoot related because the experience at
Chris and I had a couple of months

1048
01:25:14,479 --> 01:25:18,239
ago or about a month ago that
kind of was polter geist. But I

1049
01:25:19,239 --> 01:25:25,479
think that that was Bigfoot two.
The banging and the carry on that that

1050
01:25:25,039 --> 01:25:29,399
had happened then. But one of
the worst things that happened to me.

1051
01:25:29,600 --> 01:25:33,760
It wasn't bad, but a friend
was here and we walked out into the

1052
01:25:33,760 --> 01:25:42,159
woods and we were surrounded about three
hundred acres of just woodlands, and we

1053
01:25:42,199 --> 01:25:45,359
made trails back in through there.
And when we got to this one part

1054
01:25:45,439 --> 01:25:50,199
in the trail, there was a
skull, a deer skull with horns,

1055
01:25:50,199 --> 01:25:54,760
about eight point buck, about six
or seven feet up in the tree.

1056
01:25:54,880 --> 01:25:59,760
Just the skull bleached out. So
I said I should get that, and

1057
01:26:00,560 --> 01:26:03,600
we just left it. I thought, you know, I was pretty sure

1058
01:26:03,680 --> 01:26:08,600
kids wouldn't put it there. So
how long have you been living at this

1059
01:26:08,720 --> 01:26:14,640
property? And how long was it
before these these Oh? I had stones

1060
01:26:14,720 --> 01:26:18,840
thrown at me. I sat on
the porch one time and I had stones

1061
01:26:18,920 --> 01:26:24,079
thrown at me. When I was
talking on the phone at night. I

1062
01:26:24,239 --> 01:26:28,720
walked out in the woods. I've
heard whoops, I've heard tree knocks just

1063
01:26:28,800 --> 01:26:34,880
suddenly. Um. Yeah, like
Chris said, when I decided to go

1064
01:26:35,000 --> 01:26:38,920
back out and get the skull later
on that day, after I found it,

1065
01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:42,479
I went back out to get it. I climbed up in a tree

1066
01:26:43,039 --> 01:26:46,119
and got it out, and I
had taken a Walmart bag with me.

1067
01:26:46,359 --> 01:26:50,239
I put it down in it,
and I thought, well, walked back

1068
01:26:50,279 --> 01:26:54,119
the creek instead of going back the
regular tree, I'd just like to walk

1069
01:26:54,159 --> 01:26:59,800
the creek. I dropped the skull
in the creek and I heard something.

1070
01:27:00,439 --> 01:27:04,760
And if you ever saw the old
Yeller movie the original where old yellers attacked

1071
01:27:04,760 --> 01:27:13,560
by these wild hogs. It was
a screaming sounds like that that and then

1072
01:27:15,039 --> 01:27:17,239
and I thought, oh my gosh, there's wild hogs out here, and

1073
01:27:17,279 --> 01:27:20,960
I'm gonna get eaten. And I
picked up the skull and I just was

1074
01:27:21,039 --> 01:27:28,159
froze because it was like two of
the two animals conversing back and forth,

1075
01:27:28,239 --> 01:27:31,840
yelling at each other and to one
of them one and I could hear one

1076
01:27:31,880 --> 01:27:36,720
of them walking away just screaming to
the top of its lungs that it sounds

1077
01:27:36,760 --> 01:27:41,439
like a big foot. You know
what part of it sounded like a big

1078
01:27:41,960 --> 01:27:48,399
say it deep guttural, deep guttural
sounds after that chatter that they call I

1079
01:27:48,479 --> 01:27:53,439
guess, guess they call that the
Samurai chatter, and it's what it sounded

1080
01:27:53,479 --> 01:27:58,840
like. But it sounded a cross
between dogs and cats fighting with a pig

1081
01:28:01,359 --> 01:28:05,079
like that, and I was like, oh my gosh. So I ran

1082
01:28:05,159 --> 01:28:11,399
to the creek with a skull in
the sack, and I sat against a

1083
01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:15,479
tree on a rock, and I
thought, if those are big foot it

1084
01:28:15,479 --> 01:28:20,680
it won't do many good to run. So I tried to get myself calmed

1085
01:28:20,680 --> 01:28:25,720
down, and I started to chant
a little bit to try to calm myself

1086
01:28:25,760 --> 01:28:30,960
down, and where the noise was
coming from about fifteen feet away from me,

1087
01:28:30,920 --> 01:28:35,800
behind some multiflora roses. I couldn't
see into that part of the woods

1088
01:28:36,239 --> 01:28:40,760
to tell what it was, but
yet, if it was something tall,

1089
01:28:40,840 --> 01:28:44,239
I thought I should see it standing
there, but I didn't. And I

1090
01:28:44,279 --> 01:28:47,600
sat there until I felt a little
more comfortable, which was probably about ten

1091
01:28:47,640 --> 01:28:51,720
minutes, and I got up and
I walked the creek and I walked slowly,

1092
01:28:53,239 --> 01:28:58,079
and I didn't hear anymore. And
I got back to the house and

1093
01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:04,359
I was thankful to be inside.
Are you saying that you thought these creatures

1094
01:29:04,359 --> 01:29:11,880
were about you? Yes? Yeah, they were clothes. Smell any weird

1095
01:29:12,199 --> 01:29:15,479
smell, No, not at that
time. But one night through my bedroom

1096
01:29:15,520 --> 01:29:21,039
window, I got that smell.
And you know how if a skunk has

1097
01:29:21,079 --> 01:29:26,560
a smell, it permeates the whole
house and it stays in the area for

1098
01:29:26,600 --> 01:29:30,439
a long time. Well, this
smell was different. It was a It

1099
01:29:30,520 --> 01:29:35,359
wasn't deer musky either, because I
spend a lot of times in the woods,

1100
01:29:35,359 --> 01:29:39,680
and I have been since I was
weed little, and so I know

1101
01:29:39,800 --> 01:29:46,560
that strange scent. It was like
an old dog and something dead. But

1102
01:29:46,680 --> 01:29:51,000
it just it was like it came
in the window and it was gone.

1103
01:29:53,239 --> 01:29:57,039
So I've smelled him, I've heard
him. I've found him. Um.

1104
01:29:57,920 --> 01:30:02,800
The last thing. Well, and
all the things made with trees, like

1105
01:30:03,000 --> 01:30:08,439
tps and x's and stuff. Our
woods are full of those. There's three

1106
01:30:08,439 --> 01:30:13,560
different directions. They're full of those. Um. They're down by the creek

1107
01:30:13,600 --> 01:30:16,319
and up on the hill and in
the deep woods. I walk in those

1108
01:30:16,359 --> 01:30:20,000
deep woods by myself. I pres
shouldn't say that, but I do,

1109
01:30:20,119 --> 01:30:26,760
And sometimes Phoebe goes with me.
And but I found I've had more activity

1110
01:30:26,800 --> 01:30:30,760
if I leave my phone at home, of course, but huh, I

1111
01:30:30,800 --> 01:30:34,159
think they can sense it, have
you, Well, they seem to sense

1112
01:30:34,720 --> 01:30:39,079
trap cameras, that's for sure.
You can't avoid those like the plague.

1113
01:30:40,560 --> 01:30:46,199
Any significant footprints, yes, I
have some pictures of about fifteen inches,

1114
01:30:47,000 --> 01:30:51,279
but I only find one here and
there. Now up where I found a

1115
01:30:51,399 --> 01:30:59,279
structure, probably about a quarter of
a mile from here into the deep woods.

1116
01:31:00,159 --> 01:31:03,920
Uh is several structures. The one
shaped like a rainbow, you know,

1117
01:31:03,960 --> 01:31:09,680
bent over trees, and the ones
made into t piece. Uh.

1118
01:31:09,920 --> 01:31:15,039
In the leaves it was kind of
wet and they were down about three two

1119
01:31:15,159 --> 01:31:19,279
three inches and there verse about four
of them. Yeah, you know,

1120
01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:26,560
Linda, did you did you look
in the structure and did it appear that

1121
01:31:26,600 --> 01:31:31,159
anything had leaned inside it? Uh? No, Most of what I have

1122
01:31:31,680 --> 01:31:38,560
i've seen what they were just crossed
altogether against you know, one tree to

1123
01:31:38,720 --> 01:31:43,239
be standing and then it would make
a fork, and then it's like almost

1124
01:31:43,279 --> 01:31:48,680
like a tepee structure. And then
we Another thing we've found is like a

1125
01:31:49,520 --> 01:31:56,199
tree about eight or nine inches around
and about four or five inches tall,

1126
01:31:57,000 --> 01:32:02,359
stuck down in uh strange places,
just standing there like it's marking like don't

1127
01:32:02,439 --> 01:32:06,800
come in here or don't pass by
here. And I've seen those three times

1128
01:32:09,399 --> 01:32:12,239
now, as far as up by
the house. I was out in the

1129
01:32:12,319 --> 01:32:17,479
yard one night at ten o'clock.
I was walking the dog and she jumps

1130
01:32:17,520 --> 01:32:24,199
over the side of the porch and
we have a big pine tree right there,

1131
01:32:24,239 --> 01:32:28,560
and she ran up to the pine
tree. And because of a retaining

1132
01:32:28,560 --> 01:32:31,720
wall where we park our car,
it couldn't see behind it that there was

1133
01:32:31,760 --> 01:32:36,399
a retaining wall, and then the
pine tree to the right behind right behind

1134
01:32:36,479 --> 01:32:42,600
it. I walked up to the
tree and something went whoo whoo. And

1135
01:32:42,720 --> 01:32:45,079
this was late at night. The
people around us work or they go to

1136
01:32:45,159 --> 01:32:49,039
school. There's it was pitch black, dark, dark of the moon,

1137
01:32:49,560 --> 01:32:53,640
and I just stood there froze,
and I thought, well, there's a

1138
01:32:53,640 --> 01:32:56,560
couple of things I can do.
I can walk around the tree and see

1139
01:32:56,560 --> 01:33:00,079
if I see anything. I had
a small flashlight that work very well.

1140
01:33:00,479 --> 01:33:03,640
Or I can stand here and see
if I hear anything else. Or I

1141
01:33:03,640 --> 01:33:08,560
can turn and run. So I
decided to stand there, and I whooped

1142
01:33:08,600 --> 01:33:12,000
back at it. But I didn't
hear anything else. But I heard movement

1143
01:33:12,319 --> 01:33:20,560
going off into down over the hill. Yeah, I've done like a hunter

1144
01:33:20,800 --> 01:33:28,840
or twenty twenty or thirty yards.
Maybe it's one couple that goes to bed

1145
01:33:28,880 --> 01:33:32,560
early because they both work. Uh. Then there's one about a quarter of

1146
01:33:32,600 --> 01:33:40,560
a milep over the hill and uh
he's disabled right now. And her kids

1147
01:33:40,560 --> 01:33:45,159
are once in college and once in
pie skiing, and once at the top

1148
01:33:45,199 --> 01:33:48,039
of our hill. Oh, I
don't know, fifty yards from our house,

1149
01:33:48,119 --> 01:33:51,560
maybe a little further. But their
kids, uh, you know,

1150
01:33:51,560 --> 01:33:58,199
they're grown older and one graduate this
year. Uh they have trails where they

1151
01:33:58,319 --> 01:34:01,159
ride out behind their house and stuff. But they're not those kind of kids.

1152
01:34:01,199 --> 01:34:04,520
And we live so far out we
live on the side of a hill

1153
01:34:05,159 --> 01:34:11,039
that there's just nobody that would be
messed around out there trying to And then

1154
01:34:11,039 --> 01:34:17,279
we had owls that came into the
that was incredible, and they made hooting

1155
01:34:17,359 --> 01:34:20,960
noises and they were like in four
Lessons, weren't they curious? Yeah,

1156
01:34:21,119 --> 01:34:25,319
you want to tell them about that. Well, the night the night that

1157
01:34:25,359 --> 01:34:30,279
we told you about Steve, the
night we called being under siege. Her

1158
01:34:30,319 --> 01:34:34,399
granddaughter was with us that night and
it was and I call that a night

1159
01:34:34,439 --> 01:34:40,520
of just being terrorized or haunted.
And there was three different reactions that night.

1160
01:34:41,840 --> 01:34:46,720
Our granddaughter was scared witless and then
Linda is just courageousness could be.

1161
01:34:46,760 --> 01:34:49,000
I think she could walk right up
to one in the middle of the night.

1162
01:34:49,520 --> 01:34:53,520
She was smiling and just saying,
this is par for the course being

1163
01:34:53,560 --> 01:34:59,560
out here. And I was angry
because I mean I was very angry.

1164
01:35:00,520 --> 01:35:03,479
And a sword replica from the movie
I've got a coat and sword, so

1165
01:35:04,119 --> 01:35:09,560
I've got the coat and sword and
machete, thinking if anybody or anything's going

1166
01:35:09,600 --> 01:35:15,720
to rush the house, they're gonna
get stabbed or swarped. But it was

1167
01:35:15,760 --> 01:35:19,720
that night where there was banging on
the side of the house distinctive banging where

1168
01:35:20,279 --> 01:35:25,039
it'd be like somebody coming up with
their hand or an object slamming into the

1169
01:35:25,039 --> 01:35:29,319
side of the house, on all
sides of the house. And that started

1170
01:35:29,319 --> 01:35:32,279
it off, and of course I
immediately go outside, and we've got motion

1171
01:35:32,439 --> 01:35:38,439
lights that were lit up, and
I took that crappy little flashlight with me,

1172
01:35:38,560 --> 01:35:41,920
trying to discern what it may be. Nothing. And when I tell

1173
01:35:41,960 --> 01:35:44,800
you, and of course you all
have been out in the woods at night

1174
01:35:44,840 --> 01:35:49,000
without city lights, it's beautiful and
it's deep, and it's a deep kind

1175
01:35:49,119 --> 01:35:53,600
of black that you're not used to
if you live in the city. And

1176
01:35:53,640 --> 01:36:00,640
we've got that, and it is
absolutely deathly still and quiet, and so

1177
01:36:00,720 --> 01:36:03,159
the slamming on the house continue.
And then of course we have to take

1178
01:36:03,159 --> 01:36:08,239
Phoebe out every couple hours to do
her business. And like Linda said,

1179
01:36:08,279 --> 01:36:11,560
when we go out, we go
out the front door and we have her

1180
01:36:11,640 --> 01:36:17,079
porch, and then we go about
ten yards onto a brick steps to go

1181
01:36:17,159 --> 01:36:19,720
down around the side of the house
where there's a little hot tub there,

1182
01:36:20,039 --> 01:36:24,119
and then there's grass all the way
down to the back of the yard,

1183
01:36:24,479 --> 01:36:29,680
and like Linda said, there's a
big pine tree right there that's maybe ten

1184
01:36:29,760 --> 01:36:36,119
yards from the walkway, and I'm
taking Phoebe out and our granddaughter goes out

1185
01:36:36,159 --> 01:36:40,840
and she's got her Jammi's on,
and she's barefoot, and Phoebe's doing her

1186
01:36:40,880 --> 01:36:45,680
business and she's barking like crazy,
and of course I'm telling her to stop

1187
01:36:45,680 --> 01:36:50,199
it, settle down, and she
eventually does her business, and our granddaughter

1188
01:36:50,279 --> 01:36:57,439
goes back inside because she's cold.
She's inside the house and I'm not exaggerating,

1189
01:36:57,560 --> 01:37:02,000
no more than thirty seconds and all
of a sudden, it the echo

1190
01:37:02,000 --> 01:37:09,119
signature wrapped around the side of the
house and there's this massive and I mean

1191
01:37:09,840 --> 01:37:14,880
massive, slam like And I know
what a woodknock is from watching all the

1192
01:37:14,960 --> 01:37:19,359
documentaries. The echo signature of a
woodknock is very very distinct. And I

1193
01:37:19,399 --> 01:37:25,359
think most of us who watched the
videos who have ever heard it in person,

1194
01:37:25,479 --> 01:37:28,520
no or have done it, we
know what that sounds like. But

1195
01:37:28,680 --> 01:37:33,840
this was like something hitting metal.
And of course we have metal all over

1196
01:37:33,880 --> 01:37:39,800
the backyard. We have the hitches, we've got the sides, I've got

1197
01:37:40,680 --> 01:37:45,960
metal beams back there in piles,
and there's this tremendous impact one time,

1198
01:37:46,640 --> 01:37:49,880
and then there's a two to three
second delay, and there's another one,

1199
01:37:50,479 --> 01:37:54,720
and then a two to three second
delay, and another one. And I

1200
01:37:54,720 --> 01:37:58,960
remember telling Mom when I came in
there was five I can't remember if it

1201
01:37:59,119 --> 01:38:04,399
was five or six. And I
hear that, and again we're talking about

1202
01:38:04,760 --> 01:38:10,520
pitch black. There's no movement,
there's no light back there, like somebody

1203
01:38:10,560 --> 01:38:15,720
would be walking around using a light
to navigate. And I remember, for

1204
01:38:15,159 --> 01:38:21,640
I remember, very very comically yelling
out, ed the guy that lives behind

1205
01:38:21,720 --> 01:38:27,199
us, light, is that you
ed nothing? Absolutely nothing. I've walked,

1206
01:38:27,960 --> 01:38:30,319
Yeah, he would be asleep anyway, but I just felt like I

1207
01:38:30,359 --> 01:38:34,680
needed to rule that out. I
remember walking down looking over, shining that

1208
01:38:34,680 --> 01:38:43,600
that feeble flashlight. Nothing, not
a sound, nothing behind the house where

1209
01:38:43,720 --> 01:38:47,119
oh, at least and I would
say from where I was standing up above

1210
01:38:47,920 --> 01:38:53,680
and the hill going down probably at
a thirty five degree angle and then around

1211
01:38:54,920 --> 01:38:58,399
yardage wise, gentleman, it felt
it felt to me like it was twenty

1212
01:38:58,399 --> 01:39:01,520
five thirty yards away from me down
around the side of the house. But

1213
01:39:02,000 --> 01:39:11,760
the impact of that hit was just
startling. It just it. For whatever

1214
01:39:11,840 --> 01:39:16,079
inexplicable reason, I wasn't scared.
I was fascinated by it, because you

1215
01:39:16,119 --> 01:39:19,600
know, one of the things I've
always said to myself is it's so easy

1216
01:39:19,640 --> 01:39:25,279
to armchair quarterback and stay in this
given situation, I would do this and

1217
01:39:25,319 --> 01:39:29,000
do that, And of course that's
all speculative until you're forced to be in

1218
01:39:29,079 --> 01:39:33,079
any given situation. What you may
or may do, what you may or

1219
01:39:33,079 --> 01:39:38,359
may not do, you don't know. Into here in that situation, I'm

1220
01:39:38,399 --> 01:39:46,079
sitting there and I'm having this like
this existential crisis in conversation where I'm like,

1221
01:39:46,199 --> 01:39:50,920
if this is what it might be, I'm finally in the midst of

1222
01:39:51,000 --> 01:39:55,560
an event that I've always wondered what
I would be like, and I'm sitting

1223
01:39:55,600 --> 01:39:59,760
there having that thought in my head, like if it might be what it

1224
01:40:00,079 --> 01:40:06,960
maybe Biggie or some other phenomena,
then wow, that's incredible. But again,

1225
01:40:08,159 --> 01:40:11,279
it's got to be Bruce. One
of those things where you know,

1226
01:40:11,359 --> 01:40:14,760
I can't tell you what it was
because I didn't see it, but the

1227
01:40:14,800 --> 01:40:19,520
feeling I had and the sound I
had is just so real. I'll never

1228
01:40:19,560 --> 01:40:23,319
forget it for the rest of my
life. It was just amazing. And

1229
01:40:23,359 --> 01:40:29,279
then later on that night, both
girls are downstairs in Linda's bedroom with the

1230
01:40:29,359 --> 01:40:33,600
door shut and Linda, Linda,
your best to tell this barden. We

1231
01:40:33,600 --> 01:40:38,279
were laying in bed and Meredith was
crying. I got her settle down and

1232
01:40:38,359 --> 01:40:43,359
I us hold her in my arms
and something started pounding again on our window

1233
01:40:43,359 --> 01:40:46,760
and that side of the house.
This time is about two three in the

1234
01:40:46,800 --> 01:40:51,199
morning, and she said, what
are we going to do? And I

1235
01:40:51,239 --> 01:40:55,199
said, well, if it gets
too bad, we'll go tell Chris and

1236
01:40:55,239 --> 01:40:58,199
he can come down and list and
maybe he can scare it away. But

1237
01:40:58,319 --> 01:41:01,760
that's the bedroom that I slept in
and I first came here, and that's

1238
01:41:01,800 --> 01:41:06,439
where I heard the pounding back.
Then well, we lay there for a

1239
01:41:06,439 --> 01:41:11,359
minute. It got worse, and
then the weird thing about it, My

1240
01:41:11,439 --> 01:41:16,880
door was shut and locked, and
we heard something that sounded like rocks,

1241
01:41:17,199 --> 01:41:25,000
a handful of rocks hitting the inside
of our bedroom door that was locked,

1242
01:41:25,079 --> 01:41:29,399
that was locked. I said,
that does it. So I turned on

1243
01:41:29,439 --> 01:41:31,640
all the lights and I went upstairs
and I got Chris and told him I

1244
01:41:31,680 --> 01:41:35,399
think you were headed down that way. So it was as if somebody was

1245
01:41:35,520 --> 01:41:40,920
in the house, inside the wood
in the bedroom, throwing rocks on the

1246
01:41:40,920 --> 01:41:45,119
inside like they came in. Just
a quick note, there have been big

1247
01:41:45,119 --> 01:41:49,520
foot encounters that seemed to combine holdergeist
phenomena at the same time, which it

1248
01:41:49,600 --> 01:41:55,560
was like poldergeyce phenomena. Anyway,
go ahead, So I said, Chris,

1249
01:41:55,600 --> 01:41:58,039
can you come down here for just
a few minutes and see if this

1250
01:41:58,239 --> 01:42:01,159
can get this to settle down?
And so he got on the other side

1251
01:42:01,199 --> 01:42:04,359
of the bed. We had Meredith
in the middle and I was on one

1252
01:42:04,359 --> 01:42:09,840
side of the bed, and they
both fell asleep. So I thought,

1253
01:42:09,840 --> 01:42:12,359
well, I'm going to get up
and go upstairs. And I think it

1254
01:42:12,479 --> 01:42:15,199
must have woke him up. When
I got up, Meredith was sound asleep.

1255
01:42:15,239 --> 01:42:19,319
So we came up and sat here
for a little bit and it was

1256
01:42:19,359 --> 01:42:24,359
like it was going after three am. And I said, I never encountered

1257
01:42:24,399 --> 01:42:28,239
anything quite like that before, because
it was all all corners of the house

1258
01:42:28,279 --> 01:42:31,399
and on the windows, and you
know, back behind the house here it's

1259
01:42:31,600 --> 01:42:35,159
like twenty feet to the roof,
and they were pounding on the side of

1260
01:42:35,159 --> 01:42:43,119
that. You know, it sounded
like somebody's fist rather than rocks hitting.

1261
01:42:43,159 --> 01:42:46,439
It was bang, you know,
bang. And so I sat in the

1262
01:42:46,520 --> 01:42:50,239
chair here and almost fell asleep,
and he got up and went to bed,

1263
01:42:50,319 --> 01:42:55,800
and then I fell asleep, and
I think everybody got up about six

1264
01:42:55,880 --> 01:43:00,880
o'clock and going out and surveyed around, didn't see anything out of or anything.

1265
01:43:03,760 --> 01:43:08,920
Yeah, we follow away as the
night of being under siege. You

1266
01:43:08,960 --> 01:43:15,279
know that from a combination of what
might be like like you intimated Steve,

1267
01:43:15,479 --> 01:43:23,000
like maybe paranormal or or older guys
mixed in with some physical phenomena. But

1268
01:43:23,640 --> 01:43:27,560
it's one of those things you file
away and you say, you hear stories

1269
01:43:27,600 --> 01:43:31,079
about people have experienced that, and
I say to myself, I wonder if

1270
01:43:31,119 --> 01:43:34,560
that would ever happened to me,
And again I'll go back and how what

1271
01:43:34,640 --> 01:43:39,680
would I be feeling and how would
I react? And it's just so surreal

1272
01:43:39,760 --> 01:43:44,399
to sit here and say I was
a party to that, I experienced that,

1273
01:43:45,359 --> 01:43:48,279
and I'm glad that I had the
experience because I don't have to I

1274
01:43:48,319 --> 01:43:53,000
don't have to imagine what I was
feeling. I remember feeling it. And

1275
01:43:53,079 --> 01:43:56,880
I think the only thing missing would
have been the background music in a movie

1276
01:43:57,199 --> 01:44:00,199
where I almost want to start taking
my phone out with me and start playing

1277
01:44:00,640 --> 01:44:05,920
a soundtrack to a film that's analogous
to the phenomen I'm experiencing, because I

1278
01:44:05,960 --> 01:44:09,239
feel like that's the only thing that
would be missing, you know. He

1279
01:44:09,960 --> 01:44:13,880
art Herman Jerry Goldsmith that would have
been perfect. Oh my god, yeah,

1280
01:44:13,920 --> 01:44:18,560
to miss but yeah, John Carpenter
especially, Oh yeah. If all

1281
01:44:18,560 --> 01:44:25,560
of a sudden, Steve I would
have heard of I'd start running. And

1282
01:44:25,600 --> 01:44:28,279
believe me, I can't run now. You used to be able to run

1283
01:44:28,319 --> 01:44:30,840
like the wind. But I think
big boy now could kick kick up some

1284
01:44:30,920 --> 01:44:36,119
dirt. But you know, when
you and I'm sure I wanted to ask

1285
01:44:36,159 --> 01:44:41,039
Bruce this and I think he was
able to talk about it, is that

1286
01:44:42,479 --> 01:44:45,720
if if you, if you experience
something that like that on your own,

1287
01:44:45,720 --> 01:44:47,960
would you even bring it up?
And I'm so glad that that he did.

1288
01:44:47,960 --> 01:44:51,600
He experience it with us or with
others, and he's going to share

1289
01:44:51,600 --> 01:44:58,159
that with us, because again,
these are the stories that are so prevalent

1290
01:44:58,199 --> 01:45:01,239
out there in the world. And
so again I'll use the word ubiquitous that

1291
01:45:01,279 --> 01:45:05,479
if there's a dime a dozen,
there's so many people that tell these stories.

1292
01:45:05,920 --> 01:45:09,079
And I think about it, Steve, and I can't remember if you

1293
01:45:09,119 --> 01:45:13,279
and I talked about it, but
if we think about and I'll never know

1294
01:45:13,319 --> 01:45:16,840
the number, but let's say that
just one percent of people come forward and

1295
01:45:16,920 --> 01:45:21,760
share their experiences, then you've got
ninety nine percent of other people who will

1296
01:45:21,840 --> 01:45:27,359
never who will never verbalize it,
who will never share their encounters with anyone,

1297
01:45:28,000 --> 01:45:32,960
And then you start getting a number
that's so massive in scale that it

1298
01:45:33,000 --> 01:45:40,720
puts this whole thing into a perspective
where it's just for me. It boggles

1299
01:45:40,760 --> 01:45:45,600
the mind that there's this many encounters
with the phenomenology. And here we sit

1300
01:45:46,520 --> 01:45:50,079
in almost mid twenty twenty three,
you know, going back as far as

1301
01:45:50,079 --> 01:45:58,239
we can go and recorded history with
these stories, and we still have not

1302
01:45:58,319 --> 01:46:00,399
what we would consider to be definitive
proof of any of it. Now,

1303
01:46:00,760 --> 01:46:06,600
tons of anecdotal evidence, tons of
eyewitness evidence, and and there's so many

1304
01:46:06,640 --> 01:46:11,079
people that say there's so much evidence
that you could actually put a prison,

1305
01:46:11,159 --> 01:46:18,359
put a person away on death row
in terms of personal testimony, that that's

1306
01:46:18,680 --> 01:46:24,079
all true, but still lacking that
definitive proof. And you know that to

1307
01:46:24,239 --> 01:46:30,000
me to this day is both frustrating
and it just it it lays the course

1308
01:46:30,079 --> 01:46:38,479
for what we're experiencing, that fringe
type of stories that have so much detail

1309
01:46:38,560 --> 01:46:43,039
and information, and yet we lack
the evidence that we all need and want

1310
01:46:43,560 --> 01:46:48,880
to make it definitive. Treature seek
or any closing comments, Well, you

1311
01:46:48,920 --> 01:46:54,680
know, I just wanted to ask
what Chris and Linda, when you went

1312
01:46:54,720 --> 01:46:59,239
out during the light of day to
survey, you know, whatever damage may

1313
01:46:59,239 --> 01:47:01,960
have occurred during the night of the
siege, did you did you see like

1314
01:47:02,520 --> 01:47:05,520
you know, he said, you
heard rocks being thrown against the you know,

1315
01:47:05,600 --> 01:47:10,079
the house. Did you see any
rocks or did you see any damage

1316
01:47:10,079 --> 01:47:15,199
to the house or any out up
and turned the lights on and looked on

1317
01:47:15,239 --> 01:47:19,760
the floor and there was nothing there. But we both heard Meredith and I

1318
01:47:19,840 --> 01:47:25,920
both heard it sounds like a handful
of rocks hitting the door. And her

1319
01:47:26,039 --> 01:47:29,880
daddy said, all that was probably
Meredith playing a prank. I said,

1320
01:47:29,920 --> 01:47:32,720
she who was in my arms under
the blanket. I know it wasn't her.

1321
01:47:33,239 --> 01:47:36,079
Yeah, And you know, if
we had the banging on the outside,

1322
01:47:36,119 --> 01:47:41,079
on the window and on the house
and um. But to answer your

1323
01:47:41,159 --> 01:47:45,800
question, Bruce, when we went
outside and did a shout, let me

1324
01:47:45,840 --> 01:47:49,479
call it a survey of what of
what I would expect to see and want

1325
01:47:49,479 --> 01:47:54,920
to see, and that would be
footprints, tracks, um, damage to

1326
01:47:54,960 --> 01:48:00,319
the house, debris from hitting the
house, anything that would be definitive that

1327
01:48:00,359 --> 01:48:04,880
would corroborate our experience in a way
where we could say twenty or thirty feet

1328
01:48:04,960 --> 01:48:08,479
up on the up on the you
know, you'd have to be on stilts

1329
01:48:08,520 --> 01:48:12,039
or you'd have to float or fly
to be able to punch that in the

1330
01:48:12,079 --> 01:48:16,000
house. Nothing and of course that
yeah, there was no wind. So

1331
01:48:16,520 --> 01:48:21,079
what are we left with. We're
left with an experience where we could say,

1332
01:48:21,199 --> 01:48:27,680
based on what we heard and felt
and perceived, you would think there

1333
01:48:27,680 --> 01:48:34,840
would be overwhelming physical evidence of these
yeah attacks on the house and nothing.

1334
01:48:35,520 --> 01:48:42,920
And that is so frustrating because again, yeah, it just it makes what

1335
01:48:42,960 --> 01:48:45,920
we experienced it it diminishes it in
some way because you know, I mean

1336
01:48:45,960 --> 01:48:51,199
we're driven by um, yeah,
we're driven by physical evidence. When you

1337
01:48:51,319 --> 01:48:56,520
hear something hit the side of the
house with enough force to crack the side,

1338
01:48:57,039 --> 01:49:00,359
you go out and expect to see
a hole in the house and crack,

1339
01:49:00,399 --> 01:49:02,119
and you see nothing. And it's
like, and that goes back to

1340
01:49:03,399 --> 01:49:08,760
like Steve said, you know what
we're experiencing, probably it manifests. It's

1341
01:49:08,760 --> 01:49:12,640
physical, but it could be spiritual. It could be a poulter geist like

1342
01:49:12,840 --> 01:49:17,039
where there should be tons of damage
and yet there's nothing. So your story,

1343
01:49:18,039 --> 01:49:24,560
your story sounds very akin to another
uh story that I heard. There's

1344
01:49:24,600 --> 01:49:30,399
a bigfoot researcher. His name is
Ron Moorehead, and he wrote about um.

1345
01:49:30,439 --> 01:49:34,000
So he you know, he recorded
the Sierra Sounds, which you know

1346
01:49:34,359 --> 01:49:42,119
is allegedly the you know, vocalizations
of some some bigfoot that he captured on

1347
01:49:42,439 --> 01:49:47,880
tape while he was camping up in
the Sierras. And he he um actually

1348
01:49:48,600 --> 01:49:56,039
related the tale. One night he
heard all sorts of banging in in pots

1349
01:49:56,039 --> 01:50:01,560
and pans, and he and his
companion were absolutely sure that their camp was

1350
01:50:01,600 --> 01:50:06,800
being ransacked by someone. I think
they're being thrown about and racked, but

1351
01:50:06,960 --> 01:50:11,720
you know, none of them wanted
to leave their tents. So the following

1352
01:50:11,720 --> 01:50:15,199
morning they went out to survey the
damage and nothing was out of place.

1353
01:50:17,159 --> 01:50:20,159
Yeah, and again, how do
you explain that? I mean, there

1354
01:50:20,239 --> 01:50:27,000
has to be in your brain and
common sense, Bruce would tell you that

1355
01:50:27,039 --> 01:50:30,399
there has to be some type of
physical, you know, physical proof,

1356
01:50:30,760 --> 01:50:33,760
and yet nothing. And it's just
it's like, well, you know,

1357
01:50:33,840 --> 01:50:36,640
they came out, they race tail, they did all that damage, and

1358
01:50:36,680 --> 01:50:45,159
then they were kind enough to clean
up their mess. Apparently also Rod Moorehead

1359
01:50:45,239 --> 01:50:48,560
experienced a lot of strange light phenomena
out in that area too. Do you

1360
01:50:48,560 --> 01:50:53,760
guys see orbs or anything like that
around your property. I did one time.

1361
01:50:54,279 --> 01:50:58,199
We have a verandah and I like
to sit out on it at night

1362
01:50:58,319 --> 01:51:03,640
and hear the cree and stuff.
And I saw these lights. They weren't

1363
01:51:03,640 --> 01:51:10,359
I know what fireflies or lightning bugs
look like. These were about the size

1364
01:51:10,600 --> 01:51:14,800
of a baseball and they were straight
across from where I was looking. That

1365
01:51:14,920 --> 01:51:18,359
was before anybody moved up on the
hill up there, and they didn't move,

1366
01:51:18,439 --> 01:51:23,920
but they just just set there and
and I tried to debonk it.

1367
01:51:24,920 --> 01:51:28,159
I walked all the way around,
you know, and looked and went outside,

1368
01:51:28,199 --> 01:51:30,239
and I could still see it.
They were up there, glowing on

1369
01:51:30,439 --> 01:51:32,800
what it was that they were there
a couple of nights, and then one

1370
01:51:32,880 --> 01:51:36,560
night they weren't there anymore. So
I don't know what that was. But

1371
01:51:38,119 --> 01:51:43,119
I did see what I think was
bigfoot. One night I walked the dog

1372
01:51:43,199 --> 01:51:46,920
again. It was about quarter after
ten, and our road comes down a

1373
01:51:47,039 --> 01:51:50,399
round into a private drive and then
it goes out past our road. But

1374
01:51:50,520 --> 01:51:55,319
I was walking up the road with
the dog and I got three fourths away

1375
01:51:55,399 --> 01:52:00,279
up to the neighbors and everybody was
in bed. It was all arc.

1376
01:52:00,800 --> 01:52:05,560
Our trash ben is up at the
top of that hill, and on the

1377
01:52:05,560 --> 01:52:11,479
other side that hill our trees and
then another cliff that goes down over the

1378
01:52:11,560 --> 01:52:15,960
hill where I've also seen structures in
there. But I saw some movement.

1379
01:52:16,479 --> 01:52:19,520
At first, I thought, well, it must be Dear, and Phoebe

1380
01:52:19,560 --> 01:52:24,640
started barking. She wouldn't go any
further, and that's weird because she chases

1381
01:52:24,680 --> 01:52:29,399
Dear. But she wouldn't go any
further, and I saw something walk behind

1382
01:52:29,520 --> 01:52:35,399
those trash ben behind the trees behind
that, from right to left and over

1383
01:52:35,439 --> 01:52:40,960
the hill. I saw it for
about fifteen seconds, and it was just

1384
01:52:41,000 --> 01:52:46,319
a tall, dark shadow, which
I thought just a silhouette. So the

1385
01:52:46,439 --> 01:52:49,399
next morning I called all the neighbors
and they're like, no, we were

1386
01:52:49,399 --> 01:52:54,560
all in bed and there was nothing
up there and nobody walking. But I

1387
01:52:54,600 --> 01:52:59,079
saw an upright figure walking from right
to left, And because she would not

1388
01:52:59,159 --> 01:53:01,960
go up there, I thought,
well, you know that was odd.

1389
01:53:02,720 --> 01:53:05,680
Were you able to go over to
that site and see if you could recover

1390
01:53:05,720 --> 01:53:10,760
any footprints or yeah, yeah,
I did, but there was quite a

1391
01:53:10,760 --> 01:53:14,840
few weeds and poison ivy and stuff
over there, so I didn't. But

1392
01:53:15,119 --> 01:53:17,359
that next day I did go over
there and I went down over the hail

1393
01:53:17,399 --> 01:53:23,039
where it was the brush was a
little clearer, and there's where I found

1394
01:53:23,319 --> 01:53:27,880
some structures, tree structures, you
know, the band over things and the

1395
01:53:28,000 --> 01:53:34,199
axes and the rainbow shape. Yeah, trees pulled over. So with all

1396
01:53:34,239 --> 01:53:38,279
the with all the experiences that you
two have had, were you able to

1397
01:53:39,239 --> 01:53:46,319
get any video or audio recordings of
strangeness? You know after the fact where

1398
01:53:46,520 --> 01:53:50,680
you say to yourself, how many
times we've heard this in interviews, It's

1399
01:53:50,720 --> 01:53:55,439
like, why didn't I do this? Yeah, it's so obvious. You've

1400
01:53:55,439 --> 01:53:59,159
got a phone. I mean it's
it may as well be connected to the

1401
01:53:59,239 --> 01:54:01,880
port in our back, like the
matrix. I mean, everyone has their

1402
01:54:01,880 --> 01:54:08,359
fun within an arm's reach most of
the time. I wish I would have

1403
01:54:08,399 --> 01:54:12,359
been able to record, especially those
knocks. My god, I didn't.

1404
01:54:13,000 --> 01:54:16,159
I don't know. I think again, it's it's that weird thing while while

1405
01:54:16,199 --> 01:54:19,760
you're going through it trying to figure
out what in the world is going on?

1406
01:54:23,159 --> 01:54:27,880
Yeah, so much common sense rationale. You know, that whole armchair

1407
01:54:27,960 --> 01:54:31,560
quarterback thing comes into where you said
to yourself after the fact, I wish

1408
01:54:31,640 --> 01:54:34,479
I would have done this, And
it's the most logical, obvious thing in

1409
01:54:34,520 --> 01:54:39,920
the world. To do. But
when you're going through that experience, you're

1410
01:54:39,960 --> 01:54:44,279
so caught up in your emotions.
I know I was. I was so

1411
01:54:44,359 --> 01:54:49,439
angry with whatever was happening to me
because I always felt like Bruce, if

1412
01:54:49,560 --> 01:54:54,920
something was trying to make contact,
well, you're going to try and make

1413
01:54:55,000 --> 01:55:00,039
contact with a being that's at their
most vulnerable, at their most guarded.

1414
01:55:00,520 --> 01:55:03,479
And of course, what do you
what does everybody want? They want to

1415
01:55:03,560 --> 01:55:08,479
date? Daytime contact where you see
him coming, then there's a big way

1416
01:55:08,520 --> 01:55:12,199
to a smile. I mean,
that might be the best contact in the

1417
01:55:12,199 --> 01:55:16,479
world, but if they're trying to
make some type of supposed contact that might

1418
01:55:17,560 --> 01:55:23,840
even be close to being friendly.
That was a textbook case of how not

1419
01:55:24,039 --> 01:55:30,319
to do it. I have another
friends he's also a member of the Roundtown

1420
01:55:30,399 --> 01:55:35,199
UFO Society named Cameron Jones, and
and he's done a lot of documentaries in

1421
01:55:35,319 --> 01:55:43,079
films and different things about this strange
phenomena. Anyway, he came down and

1422
01:55:43,119 --> 01:55:47,560
stayed one night. We were out
on the Verandah and he's it was about

1423
01:55:47,600 --> 01:55:49,840
eleven thirty. He said, I
think I'm gonna go down to bed.

1424
01:55:49,880 --> 01:55:53,760
I'm getting tired. And I said, okay, I'm just going to give

1425
01:55:53,800 --> 01:55:57,520
one more knock on the table and
see if we hear anything, and knock,

1426
01:55:57,600 --> 01:56:01,760
knock, knock, and on a
tree, what about maybe twenty yards

1427
01:56:01,840 --> 01:56:06,840
down over the hill we heard knock, knock, knock, pitch black and

1428
01:56:06,880 --> 01:56:11,760
he said, well, I'm going
to bed. Said well, you can

1429
01:56:11,840 --> 01:56:14,119
leave all the lights on if you
want to, and I think he did.

1430
01:56:14,960 --> 01:56:18,520
He said he'd never stayed anywhere that
he'd ever investigated and had, you

1431
01:56:18,560 --> 01:56:23,600
know, experience like that. And
the night the same night, we had

1432
01:56:23,640 --> 01:56:27,760
walked out in the dark out the
road to see if we could hear anything.

1433
01:56:27,840 --> 01:56:33,119
And I went into the woods and
he remained on the road and he

1434
01:56:33,319 --> 01:56:35,800
said, Linda, Linda, where
are you at? And I said,

1435
01:56:35,920 --> 01:56:39,680
I'm out here in the woods.
And he sat on the trail and he

1436
01:56:39,760 --> 01:56:44,000
said, you mean you weren't walking
around me And I said, no,

1437
01:56:44,279 --> 01:56:46,520
neither one of us side a flash, I don't think. And he said,

1438
01:56:46,560 --> 01:56:53,560
well, he specifically heard footsteps.
And the only thing that I think

1439
01:56:53,560 --> 01:56:57,520
that we have pictures. But the
only thing that I think that I ever

1440
01:56:57,920 --> 01:57:01,800
got as far as on tape was
the night of the owls, which we

1441
01:57:01,920 --> 01:57:06,560
had. When it ended, there
were four of them and they sounded fake.

1442
01:57:08,520 --> 01:57:15,520
And I've got also got some coyote
and weird, weird noises that don't

1443
01:57:15,520 --> 01:57:17,760
really sound like coyotes. I've,
like I said, I grew up in

1444
01:57:17,800 --> 01:57:21,520
the woods, and I lived with
my grandparents some of the time, and

1445
01:57:23,079 --> 01:57:26,880
I roamed those woods in our woods
behind the house at home, and out

1446
01:57:26,920 --> 01:57:30,159
here, I'm in the I'm in
the woods by myself with feed most of

1447
01:57:30,159 --> 01:57:33,800
the time in the summer. And
uh, well, the bottom line is,

1448
01:57:33,840 --> 01:57:38,560
Linda, I'm not free. The
sound, the sound and the sights

1449
01:57:38,560 --> 01:57:42,159
and sound of the flora and the
fauna and the and the and the creatures

1450
01:57:42,159 --> 01:57:45,920
of the woods are as natural to
you. And when something doesn't fit that

1451
01:57:46,000 --> 01:57:49,439
pattern, it stands out like a
sore thumb. I mean, it's just

1452
01:57:49,560 --> 01:57:56,119
blaring. I've heard what sounded like
somebody pitching a tent hitting metal on,

1453
01:57:56,319 --> 01:58:00,119
you know, and I say hello, Hello, And I walked around on

1454
01:58:00,199 --> 01:58:04,359
the creek expecting to see somebody pitch
in a tent. Nothing. He Yeah,

1455
01:58:04,399 --> 01:58:08,720
I've heard growling. I've heard,
like I said, the whoops and

1456
01:58:09,479 --> 01:58:15,920
the viands and the tree off.
But I feel serene and safe out there,

1457
01:58:15,960 --> 01:58:19,720
and I don't think they'll hurt me
because of that, And Like I

1458
01:58:19,760 --> 01:58:26,199
said, most of the time,
I don't take any kind of protection out

1459
01:58:26,239 --> 01:58:30,520
there with me or even a phone, because I think I can make contact

1460
01:58:30,520 --> 01:58:33,840
that way. Lady and gentlemen,
we have to wrap this up. Oh,

1461
01:58:33,880 --> 01:58:38,119
Steve, you've been so generous with
your time. Yeah, thank you

1462
01:58:38,159 --> 01:58:41,880
so much. The longest show for
the High Strangers Factor right now. Well,

1463
01:58:42,319 --> 01:58:45,760
Bruce, it was a pleasure to
meet you. You're absolutely wonderful and

1464
01:58:45,279 --> 01:58:49,800
we'd love to talk to you all
whenever. And however, again I welcome

1465
01:58:49,840 --> 01:58:54,159
out here. We really enjoyed,
we really enjoyed the opportunity to talk to

1466
01:58:54,199 --> 01:58:57,720
you in the audience. Thank you
so much for the for the for that

1467
01:58:58,239 --> 01:59:00,520
tell us, tell us if people
want to get a hold of you,

1468
01:59:00,720 --> 01:59:05,159
how can they do that? Well, I have an email and it's connected

1469
01:59:05,199 --> 01:59:09,039
to my book. It's called and
it's it's a long word, but it's

1470
01:59:09,039 --> 01:59:15,359
all one word. It's connecting with
people at yahoo dot com. And that's

1471
01:59:15,800 --> 01:59:19,600
that's what I'm going to be using
to talk to the world about this and

1472
01:59:19,680 --> 01:59:24,079
so many other things. But connecting
with people all one word at yahoo dot

1473
01:59:24,159 --> 01:59:29,000
com. And you guys are both
on Facebook. Chris Parsons and Lenda Segment

1474
01:59:29,319 --> 01:59:34,039
absolutely Chris and Lender. I just
want to say I really enjoyed listening to

1475
01:59:34,079 --> 01:59:39,840
your experiences, and uh, it's
been uh, you know, it's been

1476
01:59:39,920 --> 01:59:43,720
kind of really nice to uh,
you know, I have someone to relate

1477
01:59:43,760 --> 01:59:46,399
a story that's similar to my own
experiences. So I feel like we're sort

1478
01:59:46,399 --> 01:59:50,199
of kindred spirits, uh in that
in that respect. But thank you for

1479
01:59:50,920 --> 01:59:56,279
for uh you know, sharing your
experiences that it's just been fascinating. Thank

1480
01:59:56,319 --> 01:59:59,640
you. We're definitely all showing some
of the same paranormal dirt, aren't.

1481
01:59:59,680 --> 02:00:04,000
We absolutely said you guys are both
welcome out here to come and stay.

1482
02:00:04,159 --> 02:00:08,239
We've got plenty of room. I
don't know. I might be too I

1483
02:00:08,319 --> 02:00:13,359
might be too scared, you know. Oh well, we'll hold your hand.

1484
02:00:13,840 --> 02:00:17,359
We'll give Linda the Conan sword and
she can be on point and we'll

1485
02:00:17,399 --> 02:00:24,119
be fine. If you have a
if you have a storage closet inside the

1486
02:00:24,159 --> 02:00:26,960
house, step inside the house.
I might go in there. Okay,

1487
02:00:27,199 --> 02:00:30,960
we definitely do. Chris, when
you say you have a Conan sword,

1488
02:00:30,960 --> 02:00:34,880
do you mean the actual the abstual
sword that us from the nineteen eighty nineteen

1489
02:00:34,920 --> 02:00:39,079
eighty two film. If you go
online and put on conon swords. They

1490
02:00:39,119 --> 02:00:44,560
have the absolute replicast for from the
movie. And I'm a huge science fiction

1491
02:00:44,600 --> 02:00:48,159
and fantasy fan and love Schwarzenegger.
A met him several several times in the

1492
02:00:48,199 --> 02:00:54,840
Columbus at the Arnold uh and they
actually have one that is the most expensive

1493
02:00:54,840 --> 02:00:58,760
one I ever found was ten thousand
dollars. That's still currently out of the

1494
02:00:58,760 --> 02:01:02,640
budget. But my girlfriend years ago
bought me one for almost five hundred dollars.

1495
02:01:02,640 --> 02:01:06,520
And if any bun's dumb enough to
come in the house, they will

1496
02:01:06,560 --> 02:01:11,359
be swarped with that sword, I
promise you, Bruce, so I remember.

1497
02:01:11,479 --> 02:01:15,399
And the swordmaker was a Spanish swordmaker. I think his name was Martello.

1498
02:01:16,520 --> 02:01:24,159
Your memory is is incredible. But
those swords were considered one of the

1499
02:01:24,199 --> 02:01:29,119
finest replicas of the Conan sword.
And if any the detail they were made

1500
02:01:29,159 --> 02:01:30,680
out of there, they were not. They weren't like it wasn't aluminum,

1501
02:01:30,800 --> 02:01:34,640
was real of real steel. I
think the one guy said it could actually

1502
02:01:34,640 --> 02:01:40,319
do damage to an engine block.
Yeah. Really, And they're incredible,

1503
02:01:40,920 --> 02:01:43,399
and I know we're out of time
that I have to tell Bruce this very

1504
02:01:43,479 --> 02:01:48,000
very quickly. Years ago, I
was at Planet Hollywood in Las Vegas at

1505
02:01:48,239 --> 02:01:54,079
Caesar's and I'm in there eating dinner
with a friend, and there's just tone

1506
02:01:54,279 --> 02:02:00,199
of paraphernalia from every sci fi fantasy
movie you can imagine, alien, you

1507
02:02:00,279 --> 02:02:03,079
name it, and you'll never guess
where they sat us. They sat us

1508
02:02:03,159 --> 02:02:09,680
at a table and I literally reached
up and could touch the original sword from

1509
02:02:09,720 --> 02:02:14,920
Conan the Barbarian, and I have
to admit I thought of ways of getting

1510
02:02:14,920 --> 02:02:17,720
out of that with a quick elbow, with a quick elbow smash to the

1511
02:02:17,800 --> 02:02:21,640
acrylic, and then before they know
it, I would be gone, because

1512
02:02:21,640 --> 02:02:26,479
I have myself convinced I'm the biggest
Conan fan in the world, and by

1513
02:02:26,600 --> 02:02:33,600
God, I deserve it. I'm
fortunate. Fortunately for my criminal record there

1514
02:02:33,720 --> 02:02:36,199
is none and I didn't do that. But I'm not gonna lie and tell

1515
02:02:36,239 --> 02:02:42,640
you that I didn't heavily consider that
as an option. Wow, well we'll

1516
02:02:42,680 --> 02:02:45,159
have to talk about that. I'm
a huge fan of Conan myself, and

1517
02:02:45,279 --> 02:02:49,359
especially of the original movie where the
Arnold Schwarzenegger. So oh, please please

1518
02:02:49,399 --> 02:02:55,359
reach out through my email and let's
let's let's chat and be become good friends.

1519
02:02:56,840 --> 02:03:00,680
I have an original con and story
for Weird Kale from nineteen thirty five

1520
02:03:02,000 --> 02:03:09,199
in Zamboulia. Ah, did you
ever have a price? Did you?

1521
02:03:09,760 --> 02:03:14,159
Yeah? Have you ever taken the
time, Steve to have it um identified

1522
02:03:14,319 --> 02:03:17,880
or in terms of or a price
check on it? You know, it's

1523
02:03:17,920 --> 02:03:21,800
it's kind of beat up, but
still it's a cod matter. I collect.

1524
02:03:21,840 --> 02:03:25,720
I collect a lot of pulp magazines, so I you know, I

1525
02:03:25,840 --> 02:03:29,239
honestly, I'll tell you the truth. In my opinion, I think they're

1526
02:03:30,159 --> 02:03:32,439
especially if they're intact. I think
the wear and tear actually adds to the

1527
02:03:32,520 --> 02:03:38,600
value given the genre. But I'm
not sure i'd want to pristine weird tales.

1528
02:03:38,680 --> 02:03:41,600
You know, it just seems like
that shouldn't exist. It should be

1529
02:03:41,640 --> 02:03:46,039
old and beat up and add to
the story. Well, again, thank

1530
02:03:46,079 --> 02:03:49,800
you both for being here and Creature
Seeker. Thanks for writing Shotgun Tonight.

1531
02:03:49,800 --> 02:03:54,000
It was a lot of fun.
Oh thanks for having me, Thanks for

1532
02:03:54,039 --> 02:03:57,159
having us. Everybody sit tight,
I'm going to do my clothes out.

1533
02:03:57,199 --> 02:04:01,960
We do have to end this at
some point. The High Strangeness Factor yes,

1534
02:04:02,960 --> 02:04:08,079
okay, good good, but you
guys will be back. The High

1535
02:04:08,119 --> 02:04:12,399
Strangeness Factor was created by Steve Ward
and Andy Mercer and as copyrighted by the

1536
02:04:12,399 --> 02:04:16,359
Paranormal UK Radio network. I want
to thank the Three Musketeers are fearless leaders

1537
02:04:16,399 --> 02:04:20,920
here at the network, Irene Alan
Block, Mark Johnson, and Andy Mercer.

1538
02:04:21,439 --> 02:04:27,760
Andy also does extra duty as producer, co host and composed the end

1539
02:04:27,800 --> 02:04:31,680
theme for The High Strangeous Factor.
Brian Zeller composed the opening thing. I

1540
02:04:31,720 --> 02:04:36,239
can also be heard on Macmiloney's Military
X Files as a correspondent weekly on this

1541
02:04:36,359 --> 02:04:41,760
same network and many other platforms.
And I am Steve Ward, your humble

1542
02:04:41,760 --> 02:04:46,399
host here on the High Strangeness Factor
displaced Michigander deep in the Ohio Valley,

1543
02:04:46,520 --> 02:04:51,000
here in West by God, Virginia, a stone's throw from downtown Point Pleasant,

1544
02:04:51,239 --> 02:04:56,479
living on the same road that Mothman
chased two couples out of the dreaded

1545
02:04:56,520 --> 02:05:01,119
teamche area nearly sixty years ago.
Thank you all for listening, Andie Mercer

1546
02:05:01,159 --> 02:05:04,600
and I will see you again all
in a fortnight. Take care,