Welcome to this edition of The High Strangers Factor, copyrighting on the Paranormal UK
Radio Network. I'm your host, Steve Ward. Today we're going to explore
everything from a vintage Mothman sighting to present Bigfoot activity and god knows what else.
Andy Mercer can't be with us tonight as he is recovering from his recent
move. Still I've been here a year and I still haven't recovered from mine.
But fortunately we have with us a returning guest co host known as the
Creature Seeker. Creature Seeker, Welcome back to the High Strangers Factor. Thanks
Steve. It's glad to be back. Now. You have how many years
have you been studying the Bigfoot phenomena? Probably thirty plus? Only thirty plus,
Okay, I guess you're qualified. So that's about how long it took
me to earn my high school diploma. So very good, very good,
we're on part Okay, Well, anyway, it's good to have you here
being a and also you're you're not just someone who had studied the Bigfoot phenomena.
You have rubbed elbows with virtually every big name in the in the big
foot field, right, yes, even though the majority of them will refuse
to acknowledge that. Like like Jeff Meldrum, he probably does you know,
it doesn't pay much attention, right, Yeah, he won't return my calls.
Very good. Well, we'll get more into that as we get on,
but now let me introduce our guests. By the way, Linda,
you're pronounce your last name is Sigmund, right, yes, okay, I
should have asked that first. Everyone. Every once in a while, somebody's
name throws me a curve. And when I had Joshua Kutcheon on, I
was calling him Joshua Coochin for the whole show until he corrected me at the
end. So I just want to avoid that. Fine. Linda Siegmund's life
adventures began at the early age of three, when she first recalls meeting her
guardian angel, who later told her her name was Rachel. At the age
of five, she began feeling the emotions of others, which made school difficult
for her. She also saw her first et at this age, a gray
alien. At fourteen, the truths her guardian told her started manifesting themselves.
At sixteen, she experienced a close encounter with UFOs and moth mat, her
psychic and empathic abilities were now at the forefront of her life. She has
the god given ability of reading people and the power of discernment. Some of
the famous people in her family tree are the late psychic Sylvia Shoemaker Brown and
Shawnee Chief Cornstock great grandfather go Back six times six grades. She now lives
in West Virginia with her adopted son Chris and their faithful companion, Phoebe,
Linda's service dog, Bigfoot. Activity in West Virginia keeps her busy as well
as guard. She roams the nearby woods daily in search of life's adventures.
She also has been on Ripley's Believe It or notcast in Alternate Perceptions magazine with
Brent Rains, numerous other podcasts TV, The Unexplained, The Mothman on Travel
Channel, History Channels, Monsters and Mysteries in America, and is a member
of a Roundtown UFO Society out of Circleville, Ohio, where her story videos
are featured and her hypnotic regression by licensed hypnotist and psychologist Laney Ebright. Chris
Parsons was born and raised in the southern Ohio town of Ironton. His interest
in the subject of UFOs began early in his life when he witnessed a shiny
metallic object hovering in the summer sky. This sighting, coupled with the book
Chariots of the Gods by Eric Van Danikan, sparked within him a lifelong interest
in the quest for knowledge involving extraterrestrial life. Chris is a graduate of Marshall
University in Huntington, West Virginia, with a BA in Legal Studies Criminal Justice.
He also has a minor in history and English. He has served on
the Board of Directors for the State of Ohio Newfun as the community Engagement Coordinator,
as well as the think tank for the Roundtown UFO Society, which has
been meeting regularly in Circleville, Ohio since nineteen eighty eight. Chris has a
broad interest in many topics, including quantum physics, consciousness, wellness, and
social dynamics. He is currently working on his first book, Connecting with People.
Chris currently resides in Parkersburg, West Virginia. And now that we have
the intros out of the way, I think we only have five minutes left
for the show. Linda and Chris, welcome to the High Strangers Factor.
Thank you. It's great to have you guys here. Um, well,
let's see, we're just gonna we're gonna bounce around a lot. But you
know, I guess, I guess I want to start with uh. With
Linda, Uh, your intro is very intriguing. You had a lot of
sort of mystical experiences as a young girl. Can you talk a little bit
about that for us? Sure? Sure, Um, whatever you want to
know, just just just you know, random whatever. Like I said,
when I was three years old, I was playing outside and my mother used
to let me play in the rain if, of course, if there wasn't
any um, lightning or thunder anything like that. And I was sitting in
a like a rain drain ditch spout where the water was coming off the roof
and playing. Now the corner of my eye, I saw a person and
when I would turn towards her, I didn't see her. And I turned
back around there she was. And that's how I met my guardian angel,
and she told me some things that were going to happen. That was hard
for me to believe because at the time I was three years old, and
I don't know why it stuck in my head. I guess it was supposed
to. She told me that she gave me a ladybug, and she said,
every time you see a ladybug, you will think of me, and
you might have some kind of paranormal activity or something like that happened that will
bring you back to this memory. Well, she showed me in my yard
there were I looked down in the yard and I could see like what looked
like caves under the ground, and that's all I could remember. And then
I turned to look at her again. All I could see because she had
a white dress and long black hair. And she said, you'll know what
this means in time, and you'll know then that your special child and you
have abilities. Well, time goes by and I'm fourteen years old and we
have a horrendous rain storm and the river floods and waters coming and everything where
our house was right on the river. And got up that morning and the
bank of the river was caved in almost to our house. Well, they
called in the Army Corps of engineers and they came around and they looked and
surveyed and stuff, and come to find out, those were coal mines under
the ground behind my house. And they filled up with water and it collapsed.
King calls that bank to collapse, and I kind of had a I
guess you would call it an epiphany, and I thought, oh, man,
that's weird. Well, as time went on, I was five years
old, and I always stayed up late at night. My mom and made
me go to bed or leave it. I watched the boats good bye and
the trains, and I was looking out the window and under a street light,
I saw what I thought to be a robot. Well that's all I
could perceive it to be. It was a little man that was gray,
and he was walking kind of stiff legged, and he walked up to the
front of our house and walked up the sidewalk, and I ran downstairs and
I went to greet him, and I was afraid, so I ran in
the kitchen and I hid underneath the sink and I heard him come in and
I heard the door shut behind him. Back then, you never locked your
doors. This was in summertime. And next thing I remember, I was
waking up in the morning and I kind of thought, well, okay,
I was upstairs in my bed and that little robot. So for years and
years and years, I was afraid of robots. Then when I was sixteen,
My boyfriend and I always liked to ride around and and the night is
your Story. Yes, Okay, we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna
build up to that, we're gonna make p But anyway, I had mystical
things happened to me like that all my life. So you're just just one
of the questions. As you were getting older, were you empathy kind of
an EmPATH? Were you picking up on other people's thoughts and emotions when you
were a child? Yes, I was, and I talked to my mom
about it. She kind of pushed it aside, which was odd because she
was the one in our family that was related to the shoemakers. My great
grandmother was a shoemaker. But my dad he picked up all my abilities too
because his mother had abilities. So I had it on both sides. And
he always had me to like he put cards down on the table and he'd
tell me, you know, find the jack, find the one, you
know, and I could do it, and he entered me and all kinds
of contests and I want all kinds of stuff. You know. That was
my life. But when I started school, the kids were always calling me
weird and strange, and so I became very backward, and then then I
got teased and bullied for the way I was. So until I got to
be all in my twenties probably did I really start to understand who I was
and where it was coming from. Chris tell us about this early UFL experience
you had. I remember, Stephen was in the mid seventies and I had
just gotten my first bicycle with the big knobby tires and the ones that looked
like motocross bikes. And I remember are to this day when I go back
home, the alleyway is still graveled. It wasn't paved over. And I
remember riding up and down the gravelly alley and you know, having fun,
pretending like I'm a I'm a motor motorbike racer, kicking up dust and doing
jump from wood. And I came back and I was ready to go into
the garage, and I had this overwhelming sense to look up in the sky
in a very specific place, and I remember looking up with frustration, going
like, what what is it? And that's when I saw it hovering in
the sky. It was flat on bottomed dome dotop. It was basically intermingled
with a bunch of clouds. It was overcast that day, it was very,
very gray, and I almost didn't see it. And then the clouds
parted and there it was. It was hovering slightly and it was huge.
And I just keep thinking to myself, and I tell the story over and
over, especially in my UFO presentations. I remember seeing it, thinking to
myself, I went through what I called my laundry list. It's not a
bird. That's not a plane, it's not a balloon. It hits not
a kite. You know, back in the seventies there are no drones.
And I remember thinking, what in the world is that? And eventually clouds
just kept going by it and that it would be there, and then one
final time, and I really steve, I'd love to find out, maybe
through regression or something, how long I was just mystified and locked onto the
object. But eventually there was a big, massive clouds that went by between
myself and the object and it was gone. And I did not see at
the party, it just was no longer there. Unlike you read in the
bio, I had the pleasure of seeing Eric von Donnigan's Chariots of the Gods,
the book which I just gobbled up and the documentary from I believe it
was the early seventies or maybe even that year, and I just said to
myself, I would like to find out exactly what it was that I saw.
And it started a lifelong let's just call it fanaticism and curiosity into UFOs,
which has led to bickfoot, which has led to cryptids. You know,
just how much of it is all connected, and maybe that that'll be
something we can talk about. But it used to be just for me UFOs.
Now it's it's a little bit of everything. That the high strangeness factor,
you know, how everything is probably connected, and drawing parallels between all
these various phenomena is something that you know, I enjoy researching and talking to
everyone in the world who wants to penineer or Lendineer and talk about their experiences
or what they've discovered. We will definitely get the cryptids now, as how
you kelse a little bit about how that was that your only UFO experience.
That was the only one that I can recall. I had a shadow I
had a shadow person experience as a child coming out of my room. I
remember my parents used to have card parties all the time they played Pinuckle,
and I remember getting out of my bed one night I could hear them downstairs
playing, and I need to go to the bathroom. And I went out
of my room, took a right hand turn, took three steps, and
was going to take a left hand turn into the bathroom. And what was
amazing to me, Steve, was there was a figure in the dark that
made that was so dark and so black that it actually made the darkness seem
gray. And I remember seeing that and just being absolutely petrified and frozen,
and almost immediately the fear must have broken me out of whatever it was,
and I remember bounding down the stairs three and four at a time and hitting
the ground and running into the kitchen. And I absolutely have no memory of
what happened thereafter, but I can remember that Steve like had happened moments ago,
seeing that dark figure, looking up and seeing the silhouette the outline of
a humanoid creature coming out of the bathroom. And the thing that I discount
that it wasn't someone coming up from the party was that there was no sound.
The person was or whatever it was, was completely and totally, like
I say, it was the blackest of black I've ever seen in my life
except for that experimental object I'm trying to remember what they call that just absorbs
all light. But that that was something that I said to myself, I
experienced something I believe that night that is just part of what we referred to
now as what phenomenology or whatever, but it really it really set me additionally,
along with the UFO sighting that that experience really led me down the path
to where I am today. An almost daily, an almost daily occurrence of
trying to figure out what in the world might be going on in the world
that people are seeing all over the world from time immemorial, this strangeness,
things that aren't supposed to be that exist, and you know, hearing people
recount their experiences and sharing that is something that I feel was definitely worthy of
my time. And I've never regretted a single second of trying to figure out
what in the world might be happening behind the scenes that a lot of people
scoff at and a lot of people scientists and others say doesn't exist. And
all too often people like ourselves who have experienced this phenomena will tell you otherwise.
We've all had something to jump start our interest. Creature seeker, I'm
gonna call you a CS. What what was it that got you started down
the big footpath? Well, you know, Steve, when you know I
was a kid, I I always believe that, you know, science could
explain everything, you know, I was. I never really you know,
believed in ghosts or you know, maybe you know locked this monster or something
or a sea monster. You know, you know, I might have entertained
that idea because you know, as a kid, I love dinosaurs. But
other than that, you know, a bigfoot, mofman, ghosts, UFOs,
you know, they I never thought that there could be a chance that
those things were real. So, you know, I was an outdoorsman all
my life, and I was invited on a couple expeditions with some groups,
and I saw some things in over you know period of years, I just
experienced things that I just could not explain. Now, am I prepared to
say that what I saw was a shadow person or you know, the vocalizations
I heard were bigfoot? No, I'm not prepared to say that, but
I will tell you and I have a couple of stories that I've probably already
told on your show of experiences that you know, I've had that. I
just still to the state can't explain and I find them really unsettling, the
fact that, you know, I can't explain them. I know that somewhere,
somehow there is some sort of explanation, whether that explanation is that,
you know, these cryptids or these paranormal anomalies, uh, you know,
are some sort of some sort of like uh you know, existential uh you
know, entity or spiritual entity or maybe a combination of the two. I
don't know, But like Chris, you know, I saw, I was
there's this police called the Waverley Hill Sanatorium, and I was down there and
I was invited by the Louisville Ghost Center Society to kind of do an overnight
there. You know, for me, it was just kind of a haunted
yahahaha. But we we saw, we saw these things that they were very
similar to what Chris described. And there are no lights in this place.
Um, there's no electricity and there's no they don't allow you to break the
flashlights in right. No, Well, so there's no lotty because the place
had met over the years had been basically gutted and ransacked. So there's no
plumbing. You know, the previous owners. Basically whatever a metal they had,
they salvaged, so you know, there was you know, very briefly,
we were down in this one wing of the sanatorium and we looked down
at the end of the hall and there's no lights. It's just totally dark.
But we saw these things moving around that were blacker than night, if
that even makes sense. They are the blackest, darkest objects and you could
see them because they were considerably blacker and darker than than the darkness like this.
There's maybe some ambient light, but very very little. And they they
look like so it looked like the form of a human being, like the
head and shoulders, like we could not see any like feet, but it
was the head and shoulders, and these things were just they're very fast.
The way they moved was like they moved like a flicker of a candle,
and it was very unhumanlike the way that they, you know, moved.
And we saw a couple of people down to the end of the hall,
this guy and this guy and girl who volunteered, and one of these things
ran, I say, ran, but passed in front of them, and
then they came running back and I said, did you you know, did
you see did you see it? And I remember the gentleman saying to me,
see it. We felt that the wind as it went by, they
could feel like the wind moving, the air moving. So um. We've
also been told by other members of the Louisville Ghost Center Society that, um,
when they've had laser pointers, they've actually pointed it at these at these
things, expecting to see, you know, the dot on the wall behind
it. But whatever these things are, it stops the laser. So the
dot stops right on on these things. It says, if they're not they're
not transparent. So anyway, I you know, when Chris was relating his
story kind of gave me some shivers. Very cool. Uh. And also
I want to mention Chris and and and Bruce. Uh uh. Now did
you guys know Rosemary Ellen Guiley? I met her on occasion. Yeah I
don't. I didn't really know her. You know, we weren't buddy buddy,
but I've met her before I met her. And what about you,
Chris and Linda. I know some friends that know her and her Okay,
okay, okay, do you know who she was? She lost? We
lost her recently. I met her at the two thousand and six moth Man
Festival, and she was doing research and to shadow people. She was collecting
stories about people and whether they had it in their bedroom or outside or whatever.
And then the next year when she came back to speak at the festival,
she talked about her findings, and one of the things she found was
that a significant percentage of people experiencing shadow people were also experiencing classic alien abduction
phenomena. Chris, I don't know if you had you know, you maybe
had some missing time, maybe not, so I don't know if that connections
there, But that's pretty pretty interesting. And uh, let's see. There
was another dramatic point I had with Rose, like it'll come to me,
but very Yeah, that's very interesting to have that cooperation was What was your
response, Chris, when you heard Bruce telling a story, you know,
we're sitting here. I had I'm always going to put it on mute when
we're not talking, just in case our dog barks, or if we were
having allergy attacks down here and we want to be respectful to the audience.
It just sounds horrible in the middle of it. But when Bruce was talking
about and I'm so hardened to hear him talk about how the blackness made the
surrounding blacklists like gray, and then the laser pointer hitting the whatever they'd be
and stopping it. That that just sends chills down my spine. I'm sitting
here thinking about my experience. I was talking to mom about it, and
I'm like, I remember being very very and then he's talking about the wind
blowing. I remember being very very cold when I took that turn around around
the corner and seeing that object there, and like I say, the fear
just overtaking me. And I told her, I said, and I might
have mentioned it on the way down the stairs. I think my feet hit
hit the stairs four at a time. I just remember getting away from it
so quickly. But that it's just amazing to me the number of people who
have experienced all the various phenomena that we talked about that we just love to
research, and it's worldwide, and it's, like you said, Steve,
almost anybody you talk to these days know someone who knows someone directly who's had
an experience of high strangeness, and they will talk about it at nauseum if
you give them the opportunity and really let them know that it's something you're arrested,
and you're not there to to denigrate them, you're not there to make
fun of them. That you're generally interested. And I can't tell you how
many times when I've been doing my presentations where all people will come to me
afterwards and they'll say, my God, thank you. Can I tell you
my story? And you're just enraptured with what you hear. It's like,
I've never told this to anybody before, but I feel safe and comfortable here,
and I know both of you know what I'm talking about. We find
those people all the time. The other thing I wanted to talk about connected
with Rosemary and with Waverly Hills. She told me once. Now I don't
she was there at Waverley Hills. I forget the name the investigator she was
with, but like like Creature Secret CS was telling us, it's just pitch
dark in there. Nobody's got flashlights or whatever. You just let your eyes
adjust. So they're in some room somewhere and the guy she's with said,
Rosemary, do you see what I see? And she's looking into the darkness
and she says, well, yeah, it looks like a gray. They
were seeing something like a gray alien in Waverley Hills, a haunted sanatorium.
Now figure that one out, Okay, And and Bruce, do you have
another experience? Well, so the other I was gonna have you hold onto
it and we'll get to it. But I won't go back to Linda right
now. Okay, Okay, Linda, Now we're going to go back to
the mid sixties. You're you're sixteen years old, right, yes? And
where did you grow up? I grew up in Pomroy, Ohio, across
the Palmer and Mason Bridge, which was not okay, it's not from the
bridge from where from between Pomroy and Mason, West Virginia. Okay, all
right, and you're not terribly far from point pleasant about twenty five minutes,
I think north. Okay, now you're in this is what? This is
what April April of nineteen sixty seven, Okay, now you know, November
of sixty six, everything went crazy. Two couples, the scarberries and the
mallets were chased down Route sixty two out of the T and T area.
Mothman sightings were plentiful, strange lights, UFO sightings and so forth. The
men in black we had, I guess there were some animal mutilations. I
don't know if they ever made the newspapers at that time. I don't think
they did. And could you kind of describe the atmosphere of that time,
what was it like reading the reports of the UFOs and the mothman. We're
leading up to this, all of us would get in the car and get
down there by the TNT area and right around to see if we could see
what they called the bird. Right. A lot of people thought that it
was some kind of great big crane, but we, you know, we
went to see if we could see the UFOs and all that stuff. Well,
when I was down there, we saw a few strange lights. But
that winter, that whole winter, we oh would go down there and drive
around and you know, park around down there to see what we could see.
Everybody would get excited. Everybody got all worked up and scared, you
know, and we get down there. It was fun. It was like
Halloween every month. It must have been so cool having a monster was I
know. My dad always told me not to get down there, but we'd
go anyway, and he knew where we were and where we'd do one down
there, you know, But I remember that there was a bunch of reporters
down there, and and I don't remember John Keel's name, but I do
remember they said that there was, you know, important man that would be
coming down there to research and Mary Hire it was in the I believe that
Athens Messenger and mcgauplis Gazette maybe at the time. But she had her office
right there on six Stress. She did with a silver bridge used to go
over to Ohio and her column was where the waters mingle, and she was
one of the ones that kept up with the Mothman reports, the UFOs and
the men in Black. I remember that. And I remember also something followed
an emergency vehicle from Hartford I think all the way down wasn't a blood a
blood bobile, And maybe yes, I think it was, but they said
it flew right across on top of them, and they were going like sixty
miles an hour, and you know, every little bit of information we got
it just you know, got us all worked up and we all wanted to
go see what it was. So that's how we spent mister weekends. That
was mentioned in the Mothman prophecies. It was a bloodmobile and they're watching this
this object kind of a classic flying saucer come down and it seemed like some
kind of an arm was coming out of it down toward the blood. Now
there's a there's a there's another article on it, uh, which has more
detail, actually gives the name of the driver, the drivers not named in
the In the book the about that prophecy so and John Keel writes he says
that he actually called the you know whoever runs that and sort if they'd had
any other sightings of UFOs hovering over bloodmobiles. They just hung up on it.
I guess maybe I would have too, but you know, who knows
what really happened there. Okay, So you've got all these things going on,
and now it's uh, it's it's April. What's the weather like?
Has the has the weather blooms? It was, yeah, it was warm.
I remember we had shorts on. I remember exactly what he was wearing
and I was wearing. And you know where we were and going across the
bridge just just like it was burned in my memory. We just went out
for a ride in the country and he picked me up about seven thirty and
it was still daylight, and I went across the bridge and out into the
country. He wanted to show me where he was going to do Hey that
year. It was a big field and we were just going to park up
there and get out and sit on the front of the car and watched the
stars and the river and you know, just sit there and talk. And
then that the moment came. You had a really strange experience. Yeah.
We were sitting on the hood of the car and we didn't have been there
about I don't know, twenty minutes maybe, and I kept seeing him look
over to his right shoulder and I said, oh, do you see that
light over there? And he said, oh, yeah, I've been watching
it for about ten minutes. And it just appeared like an explosion in the
sky. It just would get great, big in and it gets smaller and
then larger and smaller, and the whole sky turned red. It was off
to our right, and it was we were looking like eye level through the
trees and this thing burst through the clouds and it's I'm still shaking. I
still shake after all these years thinking about it, because it was so frightening.
And it came through and it was like it was coming from another dimension
and it was a big, red, dark red object. That was very
bright, and it sat there for just a few minutes and we were in
awe and it started to move, and we watched a tree top level and
it was about maybe an eighth of them mile away. It wasn't very far
away, and it moved even to the road where we had pulled in on.
It stopped and we're still sitting on the car, and it moved right
over top off of us. And at that time I have some missing time.
I can remember being inside the car and looking up and not being able
to see the sky. All I can see is this object above us,
and it was about thirty feet in diameter, about no gee twenty feet maybe
above the car, and making just a weird whirring or sucking noise like a
vacuum cleaner on low. And it had lights in the shape of a cross,
red and white, and I flew a few blue ones on the end.
But it set there and it was silent, and I can remember him
trying to start the car and it wouldn't start. So finally he started to
pull away and I looked out. I was hanging out the passenger side of
the car, and I looked out and I saw this object shaped like a
man. And at the same time, the UFO was still above the car,
moving bout as fast as we were because we were trying to get out
to the main road and get out of there. And he went like in
a real sharp turn to the left, and this creature flew out from this
UFO or out with it in the opposite direction. And I'm hanging out the
car yelling, do you see that? Look at that. It's a man.
It's flying, it's got ways, he goes. I see it.
We're trying to get away. We're trying to get away from a fish tailed
and got out on the gravel road and I'm still watching what I think it's
probably moth man, the thing that the kids had been seeing. I said,
did you see that big black creature. He's like, no, I'm
just trying to get the heck out of here. We go on down the
road and gravels are going everywhere. He's just about lost it. So we
get down to this other area where we pulled in and stopped and pulled off
the road I don't know fifty feet or so and turned around and parked,
trying to get our wits about ourselves to figure out what we're going to do
next. And he said, I didn't see what you saw. Oh I
saw? Is that Ufo where he said we called him flying saucers, you
know? And I said, oh, the moon's coming up were at that
time it was dark, It was about eight thirty and I said, there's
somebody coming up the road. We better leave. And this light came up
over the ridge and was following the road, and it was about three feet
above the road. And it was another object, a big round object,
about the size of a Volkswagen. But this one it made no noise at
all, and it was bright white, but it didn't hurt your eyes to
look at. It's almost like a fluorescent light, right, And it followed
the road and moved very slow, and we were looking from left or right
watching the thing to it. We got up to our left shoulder and looked
straight at it, and it stopped and it came right to the car,
right to the over the front of the car, right to the very front
of the hood of the car, and sat there for a few minutes.
It was like that thing was alive, like you could almost hear it thinking
or feel it thinking. Radiated such beautiful light, and we just looked at
each other and and he's trying to start the car and get him once start
and then I at this tinlassic stuff, you know, at this time the
guy it's like it's like every B movie too. The hell over there?
You know. In the script it says the car won't start. I remember
we had the radio on it. It's you know, while the car was
still going, it stopped. The car stopped, everything did, even us,
and our mouths open, and the thing went up over the hood,
up over the windshield, and the car got filled with this very bright light,
and up it went and it was gone. And I was on the
floor and I can remember reaching over and saying what was that? And we
both got out of the car about the same time. Looked around. It
was nowhere, nowhere, It was gone. Linda, what would you estimate
would be the size of the creature that you saw flying in the side,
eight to nine feet tall, long, slender, long, black, and
you know the old pictures of Superman flying with these arms back, That's what
it looked like. I couldn't see its face, but it wasn't really heavy
body, but you know, it was like muscular in it. It didn't
flap its wings. It didn't make any noise. It just up and gone
out, and it flew up into the trees. And all I can remember
seeing was something dark sitting up in the trees, and I'm hanging up to
grab some frice. I didn't fall out the window. But it's like,
did that thing come from it? Was it with it? Was it in
it in the UFO? I don't know flap its wings or anything. No,
did you get the impression that it was mechanical and not biological? No,
I actually thought it was something biological. I thought it was a flying
man is. Really it didn't frighten me very much. I really wanted to
go back and see if we could see it again, and he didn't want
to. But you know, it's probably best we didn't. But that something
sent that century or object out to find us, I know it did.
So we decided to go back home, and first we went the sentry to
find you was at the first object to the second best second one, that
a little round one, And you really felt that that might have been even
biological. Yes, I felt like it was trying to communicate. I felt
like it sending out feelings. Nothing, nothing harmful or derogatory or strange or
anything like that. It just had a calming sense about it. Not angelic,
really, but I got the sense that thing, the whole thing was
alive. It just reradiated that sense to me. A couple of things,
Uh, there were many sightings of the mock man where sometimes it would put
its wings behind it take off straight like a helicopter. Yeah, flap its
wings at all? And how it did. It flew at a what a
forty five degree angle, just up. And you know, there were many
that that that that said it did not flap its wings. Also that there
were oh go ahead, Linda, now I just say it didn't. I
didn't see it flap anything. And there are a couple sightings, not very
many. Most people when they saw this this creature, whatever it was apparition,
saw it without any light or UFO. But there were a couple that
did. And that was Marcella Bennett when she and her brother went out to
scare some friends without the TNT area. She was holding her infant child.
Her brother was trying to get her attention to look at this light up in
the sky, and she wasn't interested. And that's when the moth man or
whatever rose up out of the ground. And one other thing. When John
Keel was down in the Chief Cornstock area, he saw these purple light swarming
around this tree. They came down close to him. They were about the
size of basketballs and they swarmed around him, and he had a distinct impression
that they were actually some kind of an animal or something like that. I
believe it. I think it's alive. I think I think it. I
was just talking to somebody the other day about he saw one ball and as
he watched it, it split into two and went in opposite directions for just
a few minutes, and then it went back into one. And I said,
that reminded me of something that would buy locate, you know, if
you've ever read much about something by locating and also shape shifting. After I
was regressed to see if there was what happened to my missing time, I
remember that I had fall I had fallen off of the hood of the car.
I slipped off with a quilt that we had and I fell to the
ground and I was sitting on the ground and I remember looking and there were
these big feet and a tall individual with large feet, and I feel uncomfortable
telling people about this because it's so weird. But this actually is what I
said under hypnosis. The thing picked me up. He was already in the
car. It took him out. It put me in across the bench seat
and put him in and close the door. And that's why I couldn't remember
how I got in the car. That's when I looked out, and I
looked up and saw that creature fly away. To me, that first thing,
what I saw under hypnosis could have been a big foot. I do
a picture that when I came home from my regression therapy. I still have
it, and I'm sitting on the ground and all I can see is that
creature's feet and just the just the thought of something like that touching me,
picking me up, and putting me. It's no wonder I had PTSD.
I still get shakes when I think about it. But you know, I'm
not the only one that has happened to There's so many people that have never
come forward because of ridicule, and I fear that people will believe them.
Well, when you say you saw these feet, were they so? Do
you mean that you saw bare feet like they weren't? You know there were
boots or anything? Yeah, they were they were bare bare feet. Um,
they didn't have they didn't have regular toes, but they didn't have claude
feet like a bird. Um. But they were just these large feet and
and large thick legs that came down to them. And I can remember,
I don't whether I passed out or I closed my eyes, that I can
remember something picking me up with that blanket and taking me and putting me in
the car. And do you did think that this whatever this was, was
definitely separate from the winged creature you know now, or was it the same
possible? I think it was the same creature. Okay, but did it
shape shaft or was it the creature just have weird feet, white ahead.
I don't know. Um, it didn't hurt me. I don't think that
is one. I mean there have when people study the literature, Uh,
this is a really bizarre experience. But but the literature is full of bizarre
experiences when right. You know, people are oftentimes very hesitant to talk about
the extra weird stuff. They'll talk about, you know, a very narrow
rendition of what happened to them, but if it gets too bizarre, they
just want to suppress a lot of that stuff exactly, and my psychologist that
hypnotize me said, I want you to come back because I know there's a
lot more that we haven't covered. And I was so traumatized. I just
I told her I would, but I never did. And you know something
that maybe down the road, maybe I'll do it again. But I did
draw pictures of what I saw and it was uncanny. Okay, now we're
going to get back to you because I know there's a lot more. That's
fine, that's fine. I need some time to come down. But first
we're gonna do my little intermission. Here. You are listening to the High
Strangers Factor Copywriter the Paranormal UK Radio Network. I am Steve Warrett, and
I am with the Creature Seeker. He and I are talking to Linda Sigma
and Chris Parsons about all things weird and unknown. Chris, tell us more
about your story? Uh, what kind of you know? What? What?
What did you go from there? I mean, I know I've I've
talked to you at some length and I know you're intensely passionate about this stuff.
Tell us more about your story and what has grabbed you well, you
know, I think one of the things we talked about that day in the
restaurant, Steve, who is There are people and I'm one of them that
will encounter certain things in your life. And it's like a duck in water.
There's no you don't you don't have to talk yourself into that's what I
like or I I it's like that's who I am. Like science fiction,
Um, I love it. I love English, love history. Obviously it's
in my background. It's why I studied in college. But I remember at
a very early age, I think the very first movie I ever saw as
a child that I remember was over in Ashland, Kentucky, and I'm trying
to think of the name of the theater, but it was an old,
old the remake of Mysterious Island with Ray obviously Ray Harry Howson, who did
the trem this thaking work of you remember Jason and the Argonauts in the seventies
and now, oh my gosh. And then I think the penultimate thing for
me when I was a child was Clash of the Titans with with uh with
Uh Harry Hamlin and of course the late the late great Uh Oh my god
playing Zeus helped me out. Yes, Sir Laurence Olivier, Yes, thank
you, andres played yes right, yes, and this a stellar cast.
Yeah, I know it. But the point I'm making is it's like this
was as natural to me as as breathing underwater, all of this comic book
science fiction, I mean, and then the phenomena of trying to put into
print all of the various permutations of what all of this could be from a
story, from from from driving and just telling a story to actually making a
documentary of people's experiences. And you know, one of my favorite things today,
of course, you know, we have chat GPT and we're talking about
maybe we're looking at the beginning of what could be what we've seen in the
movies now for the last forty years, the emergence maybe of a Skynet.
You know, some of the best science fiction in the world asked these questions
of what if with all the phenomenology, with all these creatures, with all
this tech. Here are some of the classic stories, and of course,
you know, it's driven Hollywood for for sixty seventy years, and it's just
one of those things. And I've done presentations on the connection between UFOs and
studios, and there's a wonderful book God bless his heart. I just found
out that he that he passed away, and I'm trying to think of his
name. But he's wrote a book hard Me, Bruce Rucks. He did
something about aliens and Hollywood. Maybe maybe it's a different Yeah, I'm trying
to think of his name, and I never got a chance to meet him,
sadly, but it's just it's one of those things Steve where trying to
figure out you hear all of these incredible stories, the UFO stories. We
talk about Roswell obviously the most probably arguably the most well known, and but
what do I always love are the individual stories of people who have had encounters.
I remember one of my favorite stories is Robert Sala being down on the
silo and the nuclear site, a nuclear launch missile out west, and the
men are frantically calling down saying, hey, we've got this UFO that's bleeding
red, and the guys are ready to shoot it. And then the next
thing you know, all of the all of the nuclear all of the silos
go dead, the nuclear armaments go offline, and of course that's mathematically possible,
impossibly because they're not connected through the network. So just those individual stories
that you collect over the years. We go to the you know, we
go to the all the various conferences, and I've had the chance to meet
so many of these people. And you know, I was telling you one
of my biggest pet peeves in the world are people I call them the armchair
agnostics who just want to sit back and just poo poo on, for lack
of a better word, on people and the phenomena in the idea that any
of this could be real without doing a thimble's worth of research or meeting or
talking to anyone. And of course my favorite witness has always been the hardcore
skeptic whose life is forever changed with their their encounter, whether it's bigfoot,
a crypted UFO, you name it. Those are some of my favorite witnesses
in the world. Are the people who actually say there is nothing to it,
and then it happens to them, and obviously it changes their life forever.
So we could spend days upon days upon days of recounting and telling the
stories across the board of people who had no idea, no interest, nothing
going on in the boom. These things happened to these people, and they're
brought forth and they say, I know what I saw, or I'm pretty
damn sure I know what I saw. I have so much respect for Bruce
and anyone else who says I can't definitively tell you that it was this,
or was that, wasn't that. All I can do is share my experience.
I can tell you what my eyes perceived. I can tell you the
emotions I was feeling, and what it's made me do or led me to
do, or what I thought or felt about it. And like I say,
this is bomb and I are constantly every single day we are reading about
something, We're watching a documentary, we're listening to a podcast, and we're
doing all of this stuff to try and educate ourselves and get a little bit
closer to tying into one in the world. Are people all over the world
experiencing and and and how can we move the ball down the field, so
to speak? And trying to figure out these mysteries that remain on the fringe
but are persistent. And again depending on how far back, perhaps to the
beginning of written history, with you, with humanity encountering things that should not
exist. Okay, you mentioned um, you know sky Nut, you know
and and speak of things that you know, we think a lot of this
is fiction, right, Um, you just reminded me of an article I
read about this company called open Ai and they had this artificial intelligence. It
was basically a chat bot, and they gave it a task and you know,
um, you know, when you have to verify something, you have
to verify that you're not a rope bought by clicking on these pictures and or
typing in these It'll show you a picture of these letters and you have to
type in what the letters are. Well, this company gave this chatbot the
task of how would you get around this? And the first thing it did
was it contacted the contact of the human tricked it and said, hey,
I can't I can't complete this capture as we captures what it's called, I
can't complete this capture because I'm blind, blind, I'm visually impaired. Can
you help me with this? So, you know, you want to talk
about the exact same article, Bruce. It's incredible, Yeah, it's it's
really incredible, you know. And then there's this other experiment a different group
of folks did where they had two chatbots talk to each other. And what
happened was that these two chat bots they started creating their own language because because
English was not it wasn't efficient, you know, so they started making up
their own language and they were actually communicating with each other, and they basically
had to shut it down because they you know, they didn't know what was
going on, what these things were plotting. But yeah, I mean it's
where it's truth is stranger than science, right, Chris, Oh, no
doubt. You know, it makes me wonder, Bruce. Like so many
other science fiction stories, it's kind of like, is Pandora's box been opened?
Is that code out there in some way, somewhere out on the network,
somewhere in a computer and cyberspace, like so many great stories, where
it is slowly, maturely building what we would call intelligence and to the point
where you know, you talk is it the touring test we talked about,
we're becoming self aware and you have the ability to meet what we would what
we would call basic consciousness, the ability to independently think and come to your
own conclusions about things, and then the permutation what does that mean for humanity?
I remember one of my favorite crossover comic books back in the day in
the nineties was RoboCop Versus terminator and spoiler alert, I mean that's from twenty
five to thirty years ago. I don't feel two bad talking about it.
But for those who haven't read it, I believe it was written by the
amazing and drawn by the Walter Simonson, who was just incredible back in the
day with thor and so many other things that he worked on. But the
basic premise was they Skynet existed, well, the RoboCop intelligence basically was able
to survive into the future after after Independence Day, and it was it basically
found its way into a network in a computer that wasn't been watched by Skynet,
and it came out and was able to manufacture and obviously avenge overthrow Skynet
in the story. But the point that I remember reading back then was to
myself was what if in the future, exactly what's happening now something like that
quote gets loose, is not corralled, and slowly maturely over time. And
like you say, I mean, we talk in terms of arithmetic progression one
plus one plus one, but we're looking now at quantum computing in ten thousand,
a million, a billion, ten trillion, how fast these things can
learn? And what again, whether it's a good or a bad science fiction
story. What will AI eventually turn into? And where can we go?
I mean, where will it take us? It's both at the same time,
like Schroedecker's cat, you know, in that box. At the same
time, it's absolutely fascinating to talk about all the good things that will happen,
and then obviously we've seen all the movies to depict, you know,
just how bad it can be. And I think about that constantly. What
kind of doom or what kind of amazing break views are we going to have
tomorrow? And what will you know, what will these things end up becoming.
It's it's something that I think we should struggle. We struggle with all
the time. Jeff Goldblum. I remember in Jurassic Park. I just was
talking to my buddies the other day, saying, we stand on the shoulders
of others. You didn't really earn this technology and now the things, these
things are real, you know, can we deal with and we saw what
happened in the movie. Will that happen with consciousness and computers? And will
we eventually have something that will launch some type of biological or a physical attack
on humanity? In the in the in the idea that we are an inferior
species and they need to protect The best way to protect humanity from humanity is
to is to take us all out. Well, you know, we're not
the only ones to think about this. I know that, um like Elon
Musk warned about the dangers of artificial intelligence. Of course, this company,
Tesla, they're you know, they're on the beyond the sort of the the
tip of the spear when it comes to AI. Also, um, what
was that guy's Jeffrey Hinton, right, the father of artificial intelligence? He
could question people because he just said, Look he did, didn't We're dealing
with things that we have no idea what the consequences are, you know,
no idea. So it's really fascinating. You know, that's a lot like
my life. I lift it without figuring out what the consequences would be.
You were gonna say something frizzy. No, It's just I can't tell you,
gentlemen, how much I'm enjoying this. And Mom and I we never
have enough conversations about this. It's just I think one of the most frustrating
things in the world as a human being is to there's two possibilities always,
you know, and there's all kinds of quotes of wisdom talking about it,
whether spiritually or just functionally. Is the things that you can control behavior decision,
personal decisions. And then you think about all the things in the world
that we absolutely have zero control over, what certain corporations are doing behind the
scenes, governments and other other people. There's so many things that I think
what Bruce was intimating or leading essentially saying without saying, is the discoveries that
impact us every single day that we have absolutely nothing to do with. And
it's kind of like you're sitting there and you're watching the world, you're watching
the news, you're reading wired magazines, you're on podcast, and I guess
I could say, I guess I'm not surprised about where we are and where
we're going. You look at nineteen eighty four and some of the surveillance things
have happened throughout history, and you just feel history unfolding in a certain way
that we've already predicted in film and book and in speculations. Are great conversations
and it's it's it's again simultaneously frightening and exciting all at the same time.
Well, I experienced that with my plumbing. I didn't know what was coming.
I had antic stay in a hotel for a week. But now,
speaking of mom Linda, we've gotta have to get back to Linda. We're
going to go back to those days of yesteryear, the year of the Garuda
the moth Man, and this is what Linda would go to uh December sixty
seven, This is a couple of weeks before the Silver Bridge collapsed. Ontocem
Or fifteenth, nineteen sixty seven, you went to downtown Point Pleasant and had
kind of a strange experience. As I recall, we used to go at
across the old Silver Bridge and it would swing like somebody pushing it, and
you sit there long enough and you'd think it was going to go all the
way around. But as a teenager, we weren't afraid. So it was.
I went down there to get my sister a scarf for Christmas, and
they had a dress shop down there, and of course I got stopped in
the middle of the bridge and it was swinging really hard, and I was
by myself, and it was getting dark, but you know, that's what
it always did. So I got down to Point Pleasant and parked in front
of the store. I wish I could remember the nameless store. I'll have
to look it up. But when I pulled into park, he parked right
in front of the store. There was a strange man and he was leaning
against the building, just a little bit away from the door where you walk
in. And I kind of hesitated, thinking, well, he's gonna leave
here in just a minute, and he didn't. So I got out and
I went I had to walk past him to get into the store, and
I kind of nodded, and he didn't even acknowledge Drac like he saw me
or anything. And he was very strange. He had a black coat,
black hat, typical man in black. Even had sunglasses on. But I
noticed when I walked last night, right, yeah, it was. It
was it was evening, probably about eight o'clock, seven twenty seven and eight.
It was dark because they had I can remember the Christmas lights. How
pretty. But he had one foot up against the door, up against the
building, and I thought that was odd me to stand there, very statue
statuesque, I guess you got. He didn't move, and I just kind
of went on around him and went in and I got what I wanted and
was looking around in there about twenty minutes, and I thought, well,
he'll be gone there, I won't worry about him. But when I went
out, he was still there, and I had to walk in front of
him again. But first I looked down the road and they had street lights
down there. I think they still have those tall fashioned street lamps. There
was another guy that looked just like him when he was standing down there.
It was just weird, just standing there, and so I hurried to get
in the car. I can remember I got chills when I walked past him.
I think I granted hello or high or something, just to see if
he would look or say something. He didn't, but I got a real
good look at him. I mean, he wasn't very tall. I would
say, I don't know, five six maybe, and that, you know,
he had a hat on two and his skin was sort of a grayish
olive tone on my screen, you know, just weird. And the other
guy was the same, about the same. He was a little bit taller,
I think, but he was farther away, but he was just leaning
against that pole, just holding onto it. And so I went. I
got in the car, and I just had the weirdest feeling because I don't
think I heard much about the men in black. I think they called him
g men or something. We're down there and looking around the government. The
government guys were coming in their black cars and looking around and stuff. But
I didn't see any cars. I just saw those two guys, and I
got in and I went home. And then a few days later my sister
got married. I think it was the fifteenth of December, and I'm just
trying to remember when the bridge felt. Was either fifteenth or the sixteen fifteenth,
Okay, she got married the day afterwards, which was the sixteenth.
But I got up that morning and I had had a really strange dream of
the night before then. It was right before the bridge fell. I told
my mom that I had a dream that there was all these packages floating in
the river, and I could hear metal scraping against metal, and people screaming
and children crying and metal hitting metal like a gigantic wreck or some kind of
explosion, and all I could remember was all this stuff in disarray. And
she said, oh, you just have a how to dream, you know,
you have weird dreams. So that night we had a party at school.
We had some kind of a dance. I think it was a winter
dance or something, and the band was coming from Charleston and we were there
and we were waiting for them to come and one came in and said the
bridge had fallen. I'm like, oh, yeah, you guys, are
which bridge the primary Mason Bridge And they said no, the Silver Bridge,
and gall Palus was like, ah, yeah, it swings all the time.
It's a suspension bridge and blah blah, and they're like, no,
it really happened. And the band was coming from down that way, and
we figured they'd come across that bridge. They I think they were waiting in
line to come across. It was early, they were decorating and they you
know, they had come from Charleston, so it was quite a ways up
there. But I didn't realize until I read John Keel's book The Mothman Prophecies,
that other people shared that dream of seeing packages floating in the water people
very higher was one, and yeah, miss Thomas that lived in the area.
But also, when when did you read the book. I know it
came out about eight years after the events, about seventy five. Remember about
when you read the book? Yeah, it was let's see, my first
child was born in seventy three, and then I had a second one in
seventy six, so I figured it was like seventy seven seventy eight. It
was later. What was it like when you heard the passages about the odd
men and black in that book and you thought back to the experience you had
that cold chills. Now, it's like an epiphany, I guess you'd call
it. It's like, oh, I should I tell someone? Would they
believe me? No, they wouldn't blame me. And I was at the
point in my life where I was raising two small kids, and and but
I just I couldn't wait to see the movie. And so when I did
see the movie, there was a lot of it in there that was like
a lot of us were experiencing at the time. It was sensationalized, of
course, but you know, there was a lot of truth in it.
All the strange happenings and everything. Well, you did different. You had
the classic Cadillac start to finish. And then at one of the mothman Um
festivals I went to, I had the pleasure meeting uh, the lady that
her brothers and she uh Fade and we talked for a while, and we
found out that we were both six generations chief Cornstock granddaughters. Really, and
she told me, if I can remember correctly, that there were other people
too that had witnessed a mothman and they were also that lineage. Very interesting
finding out all this connections, synchronicities. You know, let's face it,
Linda, you're just weird, that's all. I am. Weird. I
love it. Get the weird I get because you know, what are people
gonna say? Now? Where are they gonna do to me? I mean,
all I'm telling you, like Chris said, you experience it. You
don't know for sure what you saw. You just know you saw something anyway,
something you couldn't explain. I've always said that we have to listen to
the experience or even though sometimes the advanced, you know, border on high
strangeness. Now, Bruce back to you. You had another interesting story to
tell us. Um, yeah, but I don't. I mean, it's
not really interesting. It happened at the Point Pleasant. Uh happened in Point
Pleasant so? Um, you know that that hotel that's there, Linda,
Hello, Hello, m hm so. And I think I talked about this
before, but so, this really strange thing happened so I um was going
to the the Moping event. I robbed a couple of days early and I
met some friends in Point Pleasant. I was having dinner. There. Used
to be this restaurant called the US at the Iron Gate or Rusty Gate or
something like that Iron Gate, and I was having dinner there. I called
friends of mine texted me and said, hey, what are you doing.
We're over in Gallipolis and said, all right, well will you come over
and we'll hang out. So it was late because I just managed dinner,
probably like ten o'clock or whatever. They came over and there's really as you
know, Point Pleasant, it's not really the mecca for nightlife, right,
I mean, they roll up the streets like eight thirty. So we decided
to go back to my hotel room at the hotel and it's starting to rain.
It's pouring out and thunder and lightning, and you want to talk about
like the perfect spooky ambiance right as being in this old hotel and it's it's
thunder and lightning out and raining, and so you know, I had this
little room, so so I said, hey, you know what, let's
let's let's walk around. Let's explore this place. So at the time.
Um, I don't think you can do that do this now, But at
the time, you could go up to the top floor, which is like
the was it the fourth floor, and there's like a huge wood like hardwood
floors, and I think they probably use as some sort of function area because
when we went up there, it was there were like tables, uh they
were stacked up against the wall, and chairs that were stacked up. But
as we walked up there, there's uh, you know, it's dark.
We couldn't find that. We couldn't find that where the light switches were.
So I had just I had this little flashlight. And so when you go
up the stairs, there's this old wheelchair, like the kind like a wooden
wheelchair, the kind that FDR used, right. It was just really really
old, and I didn't really think anything about it. I just thought it
was kind of cool. We're up there, we're looking around and we're like,
oh, it's kind of neat, and you know, we're we weren't
up there for more than like ten minutes, just looking around, and I
remember the strange thing. So I went I thought, you know, I
thought it'd be kind of cool to sit in the chair. So I walked
up to the chair and a really strange thing happened. I just felt like
I shouldn't I shouldn't touch it, And I kicked myself to this very day
that I didn't take a picture of it or touch it or whatever. But
I just had this feel like a gun. You know, you should probably
leave it alone out of respect, so I don't. I don't know what
it was, but anyway, we leave. The next day, the owners
of the hotel are giving tours of the hotel, and so we're walking,
you know, we're you know, I'm on the tour because I'm staying there,
I get to do the tour for free. And we get up to
this room which is like between the second and third floor. Now my room
was on the third floor, but in between floors there's this little little like
function room. It's really small, as big enough for like a really long
table. And we go into this room and there's this long, long,
rectangular table. At the very end of it is this old wheelchair, like
like the one I saw the night before. Now, this room is really
narrow and you can't in order to get around, like to get to the
other end of the room from where we came in the door. You actually
had to scoot around like these chairs that were pushed up against the table,
and you had to kind of had to go sideways. You know, it
was really tight. So you know, like in order to get that wheelchair
out of that room, you would have had to pick it up and hold
it over your head and and you know, shuffle along the room to where
the doors. So I just said, I just casually said, hey,
I saw that. I saw the chair upstairs on the fourth floor. And
the owner said, that's impossible, because this chair has been locked in this
room for months. I said, well, that's you're you're wrong, because
I actually saw it, and so I did two of my colleagues. We
saw that exact same chair. And the owner said, well, let me
tell you a story about this chair. And she she told the whole crowd.
And apparently when they first bought that hotel, the chair had belonged to
one of the previous owners, this this woman, and um, when they
bought the hotel, the chair came with a hotel and it was because of
its age, you know, it was probably worth a little bit of money,
and so they put it in this They put it in this room for
safekeeping. Well, one day the chair turns up missing, and so it
was gone for months. No one knew where it was, and the owner
had suspected that her husband had sold the chair and didn't tell her about it
or to refuse to own up to it. So the chair was gone.
And then one day, very mysteriously, the chair showed up in this room
where where they had originally locked it up. So to safeguard the chair not
you know, not being stolen in or you know, being absconded with by
one of the hotel employees or family members, the owner put this chair in
that room that was under lock and key, and she turned it in such
a way that she knew that if the chair had been moved, she would
have would know because the chair was not what it was at the end of
the table was. But it was turned in such a way that that only
she knew how she had left it. And so that's how she knew that
the chair had not left that room. But the mistake was Bruce, you
should have just sat in that chair and gone for a ride. I know,
I know, so, so I still refused to believe I saw a
ghost chair. So obviously, after the tour I run upstairs to the fourth
floor. Chairs. Not there, there's chairs, not there, There's no
chair there. So I asked, I asked her husband. Now, her
husband was not on this tour. He was probably I think it was manning
the front dusk orever. So I asked him, Hey, um, did
you did you or any member of your staff moved that chair, the wheelchair
up to the fourth floor and moved it back down for the for the tour,
Because that seemed pretty plausible to me. He said no, He said
no, no, that my wife said that chair from for months and uh
no, no one, no one really bothers with it. So I asked,
m I saw a woman. I think this was their daughter. I'm
not sure, but this woman was. She was cleaning one of the rooms.
So I asked her about the chair, and she didn't know anything about
the chair. So to this day, it remains a mystery to me what
it was that we saw up on the fourth floor the night before. And
the fact that this chair, you know, I had kind of a history,
um, makes it even more of any enigma. Very strange. Bruce,
Bruce, God, that is an amazing story. And let me be
presumptuous and tell you exactly what you saw. You saw a teleporting ghost chair,
Sir, mystery salt, Mystery Salt. That is incredible, And again
it just made these stories are so ubiquitous. I mean, think about all
of the people Stephen in your life, Bruce in your life, and of
course ours that have something almost to the tea depending on the genre of the
phenomenology, and it's just so prevalent, and it's all over the world.
I mean, things that absolutely those strange Knox in the night. And let's
be incredibly conservative and say that ninety five to ninety nine percent of these are
misperceptions, misidentifications, people who are lying whatever, whatever. If we want
to say ninety five nine percent of all of the various stories end up being
debunked. There is an amazing amount of one percent stories which I believe,
in so many different ways explains exactly what might be happening behind the scenes.
With all you know, with all you think about, all the best ghost
stories, all the best UFO cases, all the best bigfoots, all the
best cryptids, there are stories out there from people that most people would consider
to be unimpeachable and their character unimpeachable in there and they're untrammeled in their sign
of light or however close they got to the phenomena, touching it or experiencing
it. It's just it's those things that I think that people like us know
verbatim backwards and forwards. And you look at the skeptics out there, and
I think, and I think we're all without saying it, we all have
to be skeptical. The last thing in the world I think any one of
us would ever do is see something and say that's definitive. It's not definitive.
It's it goes into the canid. It's part of the phenomena. Unless
unless you have the craft, or unless you have the body, or unless
you have something that the world would say is definitive. There's all of these
stories by people who again can can vocalize and verbalize and share their experience in
a way that's again I love I apparently I love that work because I want
to use it again. Is unimpeachable in so many ways. They're just so
credible, they're so well spoken, they their memories. Like I tell this
to people all the time. I can't tell you when I had for dinner
a week ago, but I can tell you about that story when I'm ten
years old, like it happened seconds ago, the feelings, everything that happened,
and it's just it's stories like that that they keep adding up over time.
And for people like us who have I would say, I'll say it
out loud, who have the courage to leap beyond what might be obvious and
just be terse and I think disrespectful for wanting to just pile on and say
there's no way that that can happen because we don't see it every day.
It's it's not in the vernacular. It's not something that we can measure and
diagnose scientifically or otherwise. That doesn't make it any less real. Okay,
Look, you know, if it weren't for the fact that there are two
other people who are still alive to this day who can vouch for everything that
I've said, I would never have repeated this story. If it were just
me. It is so unbelievable. I probably would never have repeated this story
to anyone because it's just it's just so fantastic. Right now, am I
am I leaving out am I saying that there is no possibility that someone could
have moved that chair from the night before from the fourth floor down to the
supposed locker room on the third floor. It is possible, but why,
like who if someone were trying to play a trick on me, how did
they even know that I was going to go up there to begin with?
Right? I mean, it just boggles my mind. So I don't know
what. I don't know what it was to this day. And like I
said, it's it's a very fantastical story. And it just makes me believe
that, you know, we don't know all the answers. You know,
science cannot provide all the answers. There's there's a lot of mysteries out there
that you know, have yet to be solved. Okay, there will always
be obviously we know this, But I like saying that there will always be
more questions and answers. But that doesn't begin to even that doesn't even begin
to come close to say, we have to follow. You follow the evidence,
you follow the stories, you follow. We're constantly striving to shine the
light in the darkness of this of these phenomena and get to the bottom of
it. But you know, in so many ways, these stories and these
beings, this phenomenology is is ephemeral, it's on the it's it's on the
fringe of reality. And one of the things I wanted to mention to Steve
tonight that I love talking and I'm not exactly sure how much more time we've
got, Steve. We'll go on if your thought, but we're going to
have to move on to be understood. But one of the things that I've
enjoyed, and I'm sure both of you have never in my life, Steve,
would I think that given the government deny, deny, deny, deny,
deny, deny over the decades, that the Pentagon and the government would
actually come out and make the admonitions or make talk about UFOs being that the
phenomena is real. They're in the sky, we can't match them. We
have no idea who they're from. But apparently they're not attacking us, so
we're not taking it all that seriously, or we're not on Defcon one.
We have no idea what it is. And you've got pilots like David Fraver
and Ryan Graves and so many other people. For example, we talk about
the incident out in California, and I'm trying to remember the name of it
that happened, I believe in two thousand and three. Just an amazing case.
And that's par for the course for so many other cases involving various phenomena
that you have governments and highly vetted people coming forward telling their stories with absolute
with absolute clarity of message, saying these things are happening in the real.
Okay, now we need to uh, Linda and Chris, you had some
strange goings on You're your property, Is that correct? Yes? It is?
Yeah, well the night of being under siege. Now you're near at
Parkersburg, but you're in the country, right, yes, Okay, I
would like the Creature secret the the Bigfoot expert to take over, which,
of course we'll chime in occasionally, but you guys, I want to hear
the three of you guys talk for a while. Well, first of all,
I'm I'm not an expert. I just been you know, really interested
in the subject for a really, really long time and it just fascinates me
to think that there could be some extant species of bipedal hominid still roaming,
you know, the woodlands of North America. So to tell us about what's
been going on in your property, and it hasn't been going on for a
long time. It started in twenty seventeen when I moved out here. My
daughter owned this house and she wanted to sell it, so I moved in
in twenty seventeen and it started as knocking and scratching downstairs, and until I
rebuked it in the name of Jesus, it kept it up. You know,
I couldn't find the source. It started knocking on the wall, started
scratching on the floor, which is cement underneath, And that was the first
instance I had, and then later on but quickly do you think that part
of it was more like a poltergeist phenomena? Now I think I think it
was Bigfoot related because the experience at Chris and I had a couple of months
ago or about a month ago that kind of was polter geist. But I
think that that was Bigfoot two. The banging and the carry on that that
had happened then. But one of the worst things that happened to me.
It wasn't bad, but a friend was here and we walked out into the
woods and we were surrounded about three hundred acres of just woodlands, and we
made trails back in through there. And when we got to this one part
in the trail, there was a skull, a deer skull with horns,
about eight point buck, about six or seven feet up in the tree.
Just the skull bleached out. So I said I should get that, and
we just left it. I thought, you know, I was pretty sure
kids wouldn't put it there. So how long have you been living at this
property? And how long was it before these these Oh? I had stones
thrown at me. I sat on the porch one time and I had stones
thrown at me. When I was talking on the phone at night. I
walked out in the woods. I've heard whoops, I've heard tree knocks just
suddenly. Um. Yeah, like Chris said, when I decided to go
back out and get the skull later on that day, after I found it,
I went back out to get it. I climbed up in a tree
and got it out, and I had taken a Walmart bag with me.
I put it down in it, and I thought, well, walked back
the creek instead of going back the regular tree, I'd just like to walk
the creek. I dropped the skull in the creek and I heard something.
And if you ever saw the old Yeller movie the original where old yellers attacked
by these wild hogs. It was a screaming sounds like that that and then
and I thought, oh my gosh, there's wild hogs out here, and
I'm gonna get eaten. And I picked up the skull and I just was
froze because it was like two of the two animals conversing back and forth,
yelling at each other and to one of them one and I could hear one
of them walking away just screaming to the top of its lungs that it sounds
like a big foot. You know what part of it sounded like a big
say it deep guttural, deep guttural sounds after that chatter that they call I
guess, guess they call that the Samurai chatter, and it's what it sounded
like. But it sounded a cross between dogs and cats fighting with a pig
like that, and I was like, oh my gosh. So I ran
to the creek with a skull in the sack, and I sat against a
tree on a rock, and I thought, if those are big foot it
it won't do many good to run. So I tried to get myself calmed
down, and I started to chant a little bit to try to calm myself
down, and where the noise was coming from about fifteen feet away from me,
behind some multiflora roses. I couldn't see into that part of the woods
to tell what it was, but yet, if it was something tall,
I thought I should see it standing there, but I didn't. And I
sat there until I felt a little more comfortable, which was probably about ten
minutes, and I got up and I walked the creek and I walked slowly,
and I didn't hear anymore. And I got back to the house and
I was thankful to be inside. Are you saying that you thought these creatures
were about you? Yes? Yeah, they were clothes. Smell any weird
smell, No, not at that time. But one night through my bedroom
window, I got that smell. And you know how if a skunk has
a smell, it permeates the whole house and it stays in the area for
a long time. Well, this smell was different. It was a It
wasn't deer musky either, because I spend a lot of times in the woods,
and I have been since I was weed little, and so I know
that strange scent. It was like an old dog and something dead. But
it just it was like it came in the window and it was gone.
So I've smelled him, I've heard him. I've found him. Um.
The last thing. Well, and all the things made with trees, like
tps and x's and stuff. Our woods are full of those. There's three
different directions. They're full of those. Um. They're down by the creek
and up on the hill and in the deep woods. I walk in those
deep woods by myself. I pres shouldn't say that, but I do,
And sometimes Phoebe goes with me. And but I found I've had more activity
if I leave my phone at home, of course, but huh, I
think they can sense it, have you, Well, they seem to sense
trap cameras, that's for sure. You can't avoid those like the plague.
Any significant footprints, yes, I have some pictures of about fifteen inches,
but I only find one here and there. Now up where I found a
structure, probably about a quarter of a mile from here into the deep woods.
Uh is several structures. The one shaped like a rainbow, you know,
bent over trees, and the ones made into t piece. Uh.
In the leaves it was kind of wet and they were down about three two
three inches and there verse about four of them. Yeah, you know,
Linda, did you did you look in the structure and did it appear that
anything had leaned inside it? Uh? No, Most of what I have
i've seen what they were just crossed altogether against you know, one tree to
be standing and then it would make a fork, and then it's like almost
like a tepee structure. And then we Another thing we've found is like a
tree about eight or nine inches around and about four or five inches tall,
stuck down in uh strange places, just standing there like it's marking like don't
come in here or don't pass by here. And I've seen those three times
now, as far as up by the house. I was out in the
yard one night at ten o'clock. I was walking the dog and she jumps
over the side of the porch and we have a big pine tree right there,
and she ran up to the pine tree. And because of a retaining
wall where we park our car, it couldn't see behind it that there was
a retaining wall, and then the pine tree to the right behind right behind
it. I walked up to the tree and something went whoo whoo. And
this was late at night. The people around us work or they go to
school. There's it was pitch black, dark, dark of the moon,
and I just stood there froze, and I thought, well, there's a
couple of things I can do. I can walk around the tree and see
if I see anything. I had a small flashlight that work very well.
Or I can stand here and see if I hear anything else. Or I
can turn and run. So I decided to stand there, and I whooped
back at it. But I didn't hear anything else. But I heard movement
going off into down over the hill. Yeah, I've done like a hunter
or twenty twenty or thirty yards. Maybe it's one couple that goes to bed
early because they both work. Uh. Then there's one about a quarter of
a milep over the hill and uh he's disabled right now. And her kids
are once in college and once in pie skiing, and once at the top
of our hill. Oh, I don't know, fifty yards from our house,
maybe a little further. But their kids, uh, you know,
they're grown older and one graduate this year. Uh they have trails where they
ride out behind their house and stuff. But they're not those kind of kids.
And we live so far out we live on the side of a hill
that there's just nobody that would be messed around out there trying to And then
we had owls that came into the that was incredible, and they made hooting
noises and they were like in four Lessons, weren't they curious? Yeah,
you want to tell them about that. Well, the night the night that
we told you about Steve, the night we called being under siege. Her
granddaughter was with us that night and it was and I call that a night
of just being terrorized or haunted. And there was three different reactions that night.
Our granddaughter was scared witless and then Linda is just courageousness could be.
I think she could walk right up to one in the middle of the night.
She was smiling and just saying, this is par for the course being
out here. And I was angry because I mean I was very angry.
And a sword replica from the movie I've got a coat and sword, so
I've got the coat and sword and machete, thinking if anybody or anything's going
to rush the house, they're gonna get stabbed or swarped. But it was
that night where there was banging on the side of the house distinctive banging where
it'd be like somebody coming up with their hand or an object slamming into the
side of the house, on all sides of the house. And that started
it off, and of course I immediately go outside, and we've got motion
lights that were lit up, and I took that crappy little flashlight with me,
trying to discern what it may be. Nothing. And when I tell
you, and of course you all have been out in the woods at night
without city lights, it's beautiful and it's deep, and it's a deep kind
of black that you're not used to if you live in the city. And
we've got that, and it is absolutely deathly still and quiet, and so
the slamming on the house continue. And then of course we have to take
Phoebe out every couple hours to do her business. And like Linda said,
when we go out, we go out the front door and we have her
porch, and then we go about ten yards onto a brick steps to go
down around the side of the house where there's a little hot tub there,
and then there's grass all the way down to the back of the yard,
and like Linda said, there's a big pine tree right there that's maybe ten
yards from the walkway, and I'm taking Phoebe out and our granddaughter goes out
and she's got her Jammi's on, and she's barefoot, and Phoebe's doing her
business and she's barking like crazy, and of course I'm telling her to stop
it, settle down, and she eventually does her business, and our granddaughter
goes back inside because she's cold. She's inside the house and I'm not exaggerating,
no more than thirty seconds and all of a sudden, it the echo
signature wrapped around the side of the house and there's this massive and I mean
massive, slam like And I know what a woodknock is from watching all the
documentaries. The echo signature of a woodknock is very very distinct. And I
think most of us who watched the videos who have ever heard it in person,
no or have done it, we know what that sounds like. But
this was like something hitting metal. And of course we have metal all over
the backyard. We have the hitches, we've got the sides, I've got
metal beams back there in piles, and there's this tremendous impact one time,
and then there's a two to three second delay, and there's another one,
and then a two to three second delay, and another one. And I
remember telling Mom when I came in there was five I can't remember if it
was five or six. And I hear that, and again we're talking about
pitch black. There's no movement, there's no light back there, like somebody
would be walking around using a light to navigate. And I remember, for
I remember, very very comically yelling out, ed the guy that lives behind
us, light, is that you ed nothing? Absolutely nothing. I've walked,
Yeah, he would be asleep anyway, but I just felt like I
needed to rule that out. I remember walking down looking over, shining that
that feeble flashlight. Nothing, not a sound, nothing behind the house where
oh, at least and I would say from where I was standing up above
and the hill going down probably at a thirty five degree angle and then around
yardage wise, gentleman, it felt it felt to me like it was twenty
five thirty yards away from me down around the side of the house. But
the impact of that hit was just startling. It just it. For whatever
inexplicable reason, I wasn't scared. I was fascinated by it, because you
know, one of the things I've always said to myself is it's so easy
to armchair quarterback and stay in this given situation, I would do this and
do that, And of course that's all speculative until you're forced to be in
any given situation. What you may or may do, what you may or
may not do, you don't know. Into here in that situation, I'm
sitting there and I'm having this like this existential crisis in conversation where I'm like,
if this is what it might be, I'm finally in the midst of
an event that I've always wondered what I would be like, and I'm sitting
there having that thought in my head, like if it might be what it
maybe Biggie or some other phenomena, then wow, that's incredible. But again,
it's got to be Bruce. One of those things where you know,
I can't tell you what it was because I didn't see it, but the
feeling I had and the sound I had is just so real. I'll never
forget it for the rest of my life. It was just amazing. And
then later on that night, both girls are downstairs in Linda's bedroom with the
door shut and Linda, Linda, your best to tell this barden. We
were laying in bed and Meredith was crying. I got her settle down and
I us hold her in my arms and something started pounding again on our window
and that side of the house. This time is about two three in the
morning, and she said, what are we going to do? And I
said, well, if it gets too bad, we'll go tell Chris and
he can come down and list and maybe he can scare it away. But
that's the bedroom that I slept in and I first came here, and that's
where I heard the pounding back. Then well, we lay there for a
minute. It got worse, and then the weird thing about it, My
door was shut and locked, and we heard something that sounded like rocks,
a handful of rocks hitting the inside of our bedroom door that was locked,
that was locked. I said, that does it. So I turned on
all the lights and I went upstairs and I got Chris and told him I
think you were headed down that way. So it was as if somebody was
in the house, inside the wood in the bedroom, throwing rocks on the
inside like they came in. Just a quick note, there have been big
foot encounters that seemed to combine holdergeist phenomena at the same time, which it
was like poldergeyce phenomena. Anyway, go ahead, So I said, Chris,
can you come down here for just a few minutes and see if this
can get this to settle down? And so he got on the other side
of the bed. We had Meredith in the middle and I was on one
side of the bed, and they both fell asleep. So I thought,
well, I'm going to get up and go upstairs. And I think it
must have woke him up. When I got up, Meredith was sound asleep.
So we came up and sat here for a little bit and it was
like it was going after three am. And I said, I never encountered
anything quite like that before, because it was all all corners of the house
and on the windows, and you know, back behind the house here it's
like twenty feet to the roof, and they were pounding on the side of
that. You know, it sounded like somebody's fist rather than rocks hitting.
It was bang, you know, bang. And so I sat in the
chair here and almost fell asleep, and he got up and went to bed,
and then I fell asleep, and I think everybody got up about six
o'clock and going out and surveyed around, didn't see anything out of or anything.
Yeah, we follow away as the night of being under siege. You
know that from a combination of what might be like like you intimated Steve,
like maybe paranormal or or older guys mixed in with some physical phenomena. But
it's one of those things you file away and you say, you hear stories
about people have experienced that, and I say to myself, I wonder if
that would ever happened to me, And again I'll go back and how what
would I be feeling and how would I react? And it's just so surreal
to sit here and say I was a party to that, I experienced that,
and I'm glad that I had the experience because I don't have to I
don't have to imagine what I was feeling. I remember feeling it. And
I think the only thing missing would have been the background music in a movie
where I almost want to start taking my phone out with me and start playing
a soundtrack to a film that's analogous to the phenomen I'm experiencing, because I
feel like that's the only thing that would be missing, you know. He
art Herman Jerry Goldsmith that would have been perfect. Oh my god, yeah,
to miss but yeah, John Carpenter especially, Oh yeah. If all
of a sudden, Steve I would have heard of I'd start running. And
believe me, I can't run now. You used to be able to run
like the wind. But I think big boy now could kick kick up some
dirt. But you know, when you and I'm sure I wanted to ask
Bruce this and I think he was able to talk about it, is that
if if you, if you experience something that like that on your own,
would you even bring it up? And I'm so glad that that he did.
He experience it with us or with others, and he's going to share
that with us, because again, these are the stories that are so prevalent
out there in the world. And so again I'll use the word ubiquitous that
if there's a dime a dozen, there's so many people that tell these stories.
And I think about it, Steve, and I can't remember if you
and I talked about it, but if we think about and I'll never know
the number, but let's say that just one percent of people come forward and
share their experiences, then you've got ninety nine percent of other people who will
never who will never verbalize it, who will never share their encounters with anyone,
And then you start getting a number that's so massive in scale that it
puts this whole thing into a perspective where it's just for me. It boggles
the mind that there's this many encounters with the phenomenology. And here we sit
in almost mid twenty twenty three, you know, going back as far as
we can go and recorded history with these stories, and we still have not
what we would consider to be definitive proof of any of it. Now,
tons of anecdotal evidence, tons of eyewitness evidence, and and there's so many
people that say there's so much evidence that you could actually put a prison,
put a person away on death row in terms of personal testimony, that that's
all true, but still lacking that definitive proof. And you know that to
me to this day is both frustrating and it just it it lays the course
for what we're experiencing, that fringe type of stories that have so much detail
and information, and yet we lack the evidence that we all need and want
to make it definitive. Treature seek or any closing comments, Well, you
know, I just wanted to ask what Chris and Linda, when you went
out during the light of day to survey, you know, whatever damage may
have occurred during the night of the siege, did you did you see like
you know, he said, you heard rocks being thrown against the you know,
the house. Did you see any rocks or did you see any damage
to the house or any out up and turned the lights on and looked on
the floor and there was nothing there. But we both heard Meredith and I
both heard it sounds like a handful of rocks hitting the door. And her
daddy said, all that was probably Meredith playing a prank. I said,
she who was in my arms under the blanket. I know it wasn't her.
Yeah, And you know, if we had the banging on the outside,
on the window and on the house and um. But to answer your
question, Bruce, when we went outside and did a shout, let me
call it a survey of what of what I would expect to see and want
to see, and that would be footprints, tracks, um, damage to
the house, debris from hitting the house, anything that would be definitive that
would corroborate our experience in a way where we could say twenty or thirty feet
up on the up on the you know, you'd have to be on stilts
or you'd have to float or fly to be able to punch that in the
house. Nothing and of course that yeah, there was no wind. So
what are we left with. We're left with an experience where we could say,
based on what we heard and felt and perceived, you would think there
would be overwhelming physical evidence of these yeah attacks on the house and nothing.
And that is so frustrating because again, yeah, it just it makes what
we experienced it it diminishes it in some way because you know, I mean
we're driven by um, yeah, we're driven by physical evidence. When you
hear something hit the side of the house with enough force to crack the side,
you go out and expect to see a hole in the house and crack,
and you see nothing. And it's like, and that goes back to
like Steve said, you know what we're experiencing, probably it manifests. It's
physical, but it could be spiritual. It could be a poulter geist like
where there should be tons of damage and yet there's nothing. So your story,
your story sounds very akin to another uh story that I heard. There's
a bigfoot researcher. His name is Ron Moorehead, and he wrote about um.
So he you know, he recorded the Sierra Sounds, which you know
is allegedly the you know, vocalizations of some some bigfoot that he captured on
tape while he was camping up in the Sierras. And he he um actually
related the tale. One night he heard all sorts of banging in in pots
and pans, and he and his companion were absolutely sure that their camp was
being ransacked by someone. I think they're being thrown about and racked, but
you know, none of them wanted to leave their tents. So the following
morning they went out to survey the damage and nothing was out of place.
Yeah, and again, how do you explain that? I mean, there
has to be in your brain and common sense, Bruce would tell you that
there has to be some type of physical, you know, physical proof,
and yet nothing. And it's just it's like, well, you know,
they came out, they race tail, they did all that damage, and
then they were kind enough to clean up their mess. Apparently also Rod Moorehead
experienced a lot of strange light phenomena out in that area too. Do you
guys see orbs or anything like that around your property. I did one time.
We have a verandah and I like to sit out on it at night
and hear the cree and stuff. And I saw these lights. They weren't
I know what fireflies or lightning bugs look like. These were about the size
of a baseball and they were straight across from where I was looking. That
was before anybody moved up on the hill up there, and they didn't move,
but they just just set there and and I tried to debonk it.
I walked all the way around, you know, and looked and went outside,
and I could still see it. They were up there, glowing on
what it was that they were there a couple of nights, and then one
night they weren't there anymore. So I don't know what that was. But
I did see what I think was bigfoot. One night I walked the dog
again. It was about quarter after ten, and our road comes down a
round into a private drive and then it goes out past our road. But
I was walking up the road with the dog and I got three fourths away
up to the neighbors and everybody was in bed. It was all arc.
Our trash ben is up at the top of that hill, and on the
other side that hill our trees and then another cliff that goes down over the
hill where I've also seen structures in there. But I saw some movement.
At first, I thought, well, it must be Dear, and Phoebe
started barking. She wouldn't go any further, and that's weird because she chases
Dear. But she wouldn't go any further, and I saw something walk behind
those trash ben behind the trees behind that, from right to left and over
the hill. I saw it for about fifteen seconds, and it was just
a tall, dark shadow, which I thought just a silhouette. So the
next morning I called all the neighbors and they're like, no, we were
all in bed and there was nothing up there and nobody walking. But I
saw an upright figure walking from right to left, And because she would not
go up there, I thought, well, you know that was odd.
Were you able to go over to that site and see if you could recover
any footprints or yeah, yeah, I did, but there was quite a
few weeds and poison ivy and stuff over there, so I didn't. But
that next day I did go over there and I went down over the hail
where it was the brush was a little clearer, and there's where I found
some structures, tree structures, you know, the band over things and the
axes and the rainbow shape. Yeah, trees pulled over. So with all
the with all the experiences that you two have had, were you able to
get any video or audio recordings of strangeness? You know after the fact where
you say to yourself, how many times we've heard this in interviews, It's
like, why didn't I do this? Yeah, it's so obvious. You've
got a phone. I mean it's it may as well be connected to the
port in our back, like the matrix. I mean, everyone has their
fun within an arm's reach most of the time. I wish I would have
been able to record, especially those knocks. My god, I didn't.
I don't know. I think again, it's it's that weird thing while while
you're going through it trying to figure out what in the world is going on?
Yeah, so much common sense rationale. You know, that whole armchair
quarterback thing comes into where you said to yourself after the fact, I wish
I would have done this, And it's the most logical, obvious thing in
the world. To do. But when you're going through that experience, you're
so caught up in your emotions. I know I was. I was so
angry with whatever was happening to me because I always felt like Bruce, if
something was trying to make contact, well, you're going to try and make
contact with a being that's at their most vulnerable, at their most guarded.
And of course, what do you what does everybody want? They want to
date? Daytime contact where you see him coming, then there's a big way
to a smile. I mean, that might be the best contact in the
world, but if they're trying to make some type of supposed contact that might
even be close to being friendly. That was a textbook case of how not
to do it. I have another friends he's also a member of the Roundtown
UFO Society named Cameron Jones, and and he's done a lot of documentaries in
films and different things about this strange phenomena. Anyway, he came down and
stayed one night. We were out on the Verandah and he's it was about
eleven thirty. He said, I think I'm gonna go down to bed.
I'm getting tired. And I said, okay, I'm just going to give
one more knock on the table and see if we hear anything, and knock,
knock, knock, and on a tree, what about maybe twenty yards
down over the hill we heard knock, knock, knock, pitch black and
he said, well, I'm going to bed. Said well, you can
leave all the lights on if you want to, and I think he did.
He said he'd never stayed anywhere that he'd ever investigated and had, you
know, experience like that. And the night the same night, we had
walked out in the dark out the road to see if we could hear anything.
And I went into the woods and he remained on the road and he
said, Linda, Linda, where are you at? And I said,
I'm out here in the woods. And he sat on the trail and he
said, you mean you weren't walking around me And I said, no,
neither one of us side a flash, I don't think. And he said,
well, he specifically heard footsteps. And the only thing that I think
that we have pictures. But the only thing that I think that I ever
got as far as on tape was the night of the owls, which we
had. When it ended, there were four of them and they sounded fake.
And I've got also got some coyote and weird, weird noises that don't
really sound like coyotes. I've, like I said, I grew up in
the woods, and I lived with my grandparents some of the time, and
I roamed those woods in our woods behind the house at home, and out
here, I'm in the I'm in the woods by myself with feed most of
the time in the summer. And uh, well, the bottom line is,
Linda, I'm not free. The sound, the sound and the sights
and sound of the flora and the fauna and the and the and the creatures
of the woods are as natural to you. And when something doesn't fit that
pattern, it stands out like a sore thumb. I mean, it's just
blaring. I've heard what sounded like somebody pitching a tent hitting metal on,
you know, and I say hello, Hello, And I walked around on
the creek expecting to see somebody pitch in a tent. Nothing. He Yeah,
I've heard growling. I've heard, like I said, the whoops and
the viands and the tree off. But I feel serene and safe out there,
and I don't think they'll hurt me because of that, And Like I
said, most of the time, I don't take any kind of protection out
there with me or even a phone, because I think I can make contact
that way. Lady and gentlemen, we have to wrap this up. Oh,
Steve, you've been so generous with your time. Yeah, thank you
so much. The longest show for the High Strangers Factor right now. Well,
Bruce, it was a pleasure to meet you. You're absolutely wonderful and
we'd love to talk to you all whenever. And however, again I welcome
out here. We really enjoyed, we really enjoyed the opportunity to talk to
you in the audience. Thank you so much for the for the for that
tell us, tell us if people want to get a hold of you,
how can they do that? Well, I have an email and it's connected
to my book. It's called and it's it's a long word, but it's
all one word. It's connecting with people at yahoo dot com. And that's
that's what I'm going to be using to talk to the world about this and
so many other things. But connecting with people all one word at yahoo dot
com. And you guys are both on Facebook. Chris Parsons and Lenda Segment
absolutely Chris and Lender. I just want to say I really enjoyed listening to
your experiences, and uh, it's been uh, you know, it's been
kind of really nice to uh, you know, I have someone to relate
a story that's similar to my own experiences. So I feel like we're sort
of kindred spirits, uh in that in that respect. But thank you for
for uh you know, sharing your experiences that it's just been fascinating. Thank
you. We're definitely all showing some of the same paranormal dirt, aren't.
We absolutely said you guys are both welcome out here to come and stay.
We've got plenty of room. I don't know. I might be too I
might be too scared, you know. Oh well, we'll hold your hand.
We'll give Linda the Conan sword and she can be on point and we'll
be fine. If you have a if you have a storage closet inside the
house, step inside the house. I might go in there. Okay,
we definitely do. Chris, when you say you have a Conan sword,
do you mean the actual the abstual sword that us from the nineteen eighty nineteen
eighty two film. If you go online and put on conon swords. They
have the absolute replicast for from the movie. And I'm a huge science fiction
and fantasy fan and love Schwarzenegger. A met him several several times in the
Columbus at the Arnold uh and they actually have one that is the most expensive
one I ever found was ten thousand dollars. That's still currently out of the
budget. But my girlfriend years ago bought me one for almost five hundred dollars.
And if any bun's dumb enough to come in the house, they will
be swarped with that sword, I promise you, Bruce, so I remember.
And the swordmaker was a Spanish swordmaker. I think his name was Martello.
Your memory is is incredible. But those swords were considered one of the
finest replicas of the Conan sword. And if any the detail they were made
out of there, they were not. They weren't like it wasn't aluminum,
was real of real steel. I think the one guy said it could actually
do damage to an engine block. Yeah. Really, And they're incredible,
and I know we're out of time that I have to tell Bruce this very
very quickly. Years ago, I was at Planet Hollywood in Las Vegas at
Caesar's and I'm in there eating dinner with a friend, and there's just tone
of paraphernalia from every sci fi fantasy movie you can imagine, alien, you
name it, and you'll never guess where they sat us. They sat us
at a table and I literally reached up and could touch the original sword from
Conan the Barbarian, and I have to admit I thought of ways of getting
out of that with a quick elbow, with a quick elbow smash to the
acrylic, and then before they know it, I would be gone, because
I have myself convinced I'm the biggest Conan fan in the world, and by
God, I deserve it. I'm fortunate. Fortunately for my criminal record there
is none and I didn't do that. But I'm not gonna lie and tell
you that I didn't heavily consider that as an option. Wow, well we'll
have to talk about that. I'm a huge fan of Conan myself, and
especially of the original movie where the Arnold Schwarzenegger. So oh, please please
reach out through my email and let's let's let's chat and be become good friends.
I have an original con and story for Weird Kale from nineteen thirty five
in Zamboulia. Ah, did you ever have a price? Did you?
Yeah? Have you ever taken the time, Steve to have it um identified
or in terms of or a price check on it? You know, it's
it's kind of beat up, but still it's a cod matter. I collect.
I collect a lot of pulp magazines, so I you know, I
honestly, I'll tell you the truth. In my opinion, I think they're
especially if they're intact. I think the wear and tear actually adds to the
value given the genre. But I'm not sure i'd want to pristine weird tales.
You know, it just seems like that shouldn't exist. It should be
old and beat up and add to the story. Well, again, thank
you both for being here and Creature Seeker. Thanks for writing Shotgun Tonight.
It was a lot of fun. Oh thanks for having me, Thanks for
having us. Everybody sit tight, I'm going to do my clothes out.
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