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Move over Netflix, We've got a
live show in a chart. Imagine this,

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a stone cold statue of the Virgin
Mary is shedding. What local swear

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are genuine tears? Yes, a
tearful statue. Even religious icons can't resist

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their dramatic meltdown. But Professor Luigi
Garcelley, the buzzkill expert, insists these

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statues are just thirsty. He says, the holy figurines are like leaky sponges,

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absorbing water faster than a dehydrated cactus
on a spa day. In a

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world where even statues can escape drama, who needs reality TV? Is a

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divine intervention or just a plumbing issue? One thing's for sure, This tearful

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Virgin Mary is the holy hot spot
of the year. Move over Miracles.

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There's a new show in town,
and it's a bigger cry fest than a

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soap opera. The story is brought
to you from aol by a million eath

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on November fifteenth, twenty twenty three. Scott, I'm sure you took a

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look at this issue. What did
you think about this Virgin Mary? You're

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ready to take a trip? I
didn't. I'm not familiar with it.

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Why do you add? Oh?
No, I'm kidding, of course,

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yes, I read it, you
know one starting at the beginning, right.

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So they have this statue, it's
supposedly crying. People are calling it

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a miracle, et cetera, et
cetera. In the article they said this,

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hundreds have flocked to the church to
witness the inexplicable miracle take place.

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I have a little bit of a
beef with that. And this is something

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that we hear frequently in religious claims, and that it's inexplicable. Now that's

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different. That's different than unexplained.
Okay, So there's a difference between something

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that we don't know the explanation and
we know that it can't have an explanation

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or at least can't have an explanation
of the things that we know. You

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know, despite you know, whatever
you know saying something is inexplicable, there's

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work to be done there. You
have a little bit of homework that you

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need to do ahead of time if
you're going to talk about that. But

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having said that, it's not all
that surprising that people, even in the

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face of this kind of uncertainty,
they don't know what the explanation for this

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is. They still want to grasp
at it. You know, they need

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to grab at something. The unknown
is very is a very frightening thing,

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and it's very human too. It's
super easy to jump to a quick and

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easy explanation, because, like we
said, thinking does require a little bit

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of effort. And so I was
curious, and so I took a little

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bit of a dive into this on
why. I found an article called why

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We're so Terrified of the unknown,
and this was at BBC dot com.

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And you know, they talk a
little bit about anxiety and that kind of

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thing. But here's here's an important
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in study after study, the reacher
the researchers found that any element of unpredictability

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significantly increases people's discomfort. And they
would test that by having these experiments where

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they hook you up to an electric
shock and then for some people, they

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said we're going to give you a
shock, and then they would shock you,

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and then for other people they would
say, we're gonna flip a coin

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and if it comes up heads,
we're going to shock you, and if

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it comes up tails, we're not. And what the researchers found is that

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participants showed greater stress if there's a
fifty percent chance that they might receive a

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shock, for example, compared to
situations in which there's one hundred percent certainty

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they will be electrocuted. Okay,
so fifty to fifty shot. People were

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more nervous about that, and so
it's kind of baked into our into our

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system, right into being a human. Part of being a human is being

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afraid of the unknown. So at
least we can have a grasp on,

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you know what, what might motivate
people to go down this road cross.

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What's your take on this? I
found I find that it study interesting,

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so thanks for bringing that up.
When I read this story, I was

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reminded of two aspects. There's always
a funny and a sad side. The

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funny part. I was reminded of
multiple pieces of pop culture that have have

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done this right, that this is
such a common claim, the statue of

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Mary is crying, that it's satirized
all over the place. I was reminded

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if you haven't seen the show Jerry
Girls, I highly recommend it. It's

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it's about four girls growing up in
the eighties in Ireland and they have an

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episode where they're praying to marry to
try to pass their exams and the statue

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crying. I won't spoil it,
but it's not a miracle. It's always

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in stunny in Philadelphia. Another great
show did it in this episode called The

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Gang Exploits a miracle where you know, there's a stain on the wall and

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it looks like Mary, and they
get people to come and give money and

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all of that. And I was
also reminded of ten Mention's poem, which

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I think is going to your point, the Storm poem, where in which

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he says, throughout history, every
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not magic, And that goes exactly
your point. It's not inexplicable, it's

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just not explained yet. So on
the funny side, we see these sorts

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of shows and this sort of treatment
because everybody knows that this is not supernatural.

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If it were, there would be
scientists there, they would be studying

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it, they would be cordoning off
the area, and they might even win

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a Nobel prize and change all of
mankind if this really were a supernatural event.

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So I know that all of us
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I strongly suspect that of that majority
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going there suspect it's not supernatural.
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But on the sad side, people
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Just a few months ago on my
podcast, I did a series on faith

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healing and I started with the story
you may remember of the church that claimed

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to have prayed over a woman's amputated
foot and grew back her toes. Well,

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they made a huge claim, it
got huge international attention. As soon

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as they started getting phone calls.
What did they do? They pulled all

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of their media off social media and
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woman's privacy, even though they had
paraded around the stage. So people,

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people will do this sort of thing, either fraudulently or opportunistically. So there's

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these funny sides and these sad sides. What are your thoughts, Kelly?

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You know it's funny you should say
that about fraudulently. I did a deep

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dive into weeping statues because that's the
kind of guy I am, you know,

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I got wow, this is a
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got to check this out some more. And since nineteen fifty three, there

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have been twenty highly publicized claims of
weeping statues, and surprisingly the United States

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has the second largest amount of sightings
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And like I said, I had
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claim see what I could find.
Not a single one of the weeping statues

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reported in any of those years was
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One of them was recognized as the
Pope as being something. He never actually

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called it a miracle, but he
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to track down, but I found
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twenty statues, and most of them
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Many of them were claimed to be
weeping blood instead of tears, and every

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single one that was weeping blood was
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all the perpetrators were found. In
one instance, for example, the tears

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from the Virgin Murray were found to
come from a male human who was never

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found. In another, the blood
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actually worked in the church and who
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So yeah, right, yeah,
maybe go there, don't go there,

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Most, including the one that was
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to be the blood of animals cows
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all those animals are easily found on
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they're pretty easy to get blood from
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we all heard the rather comical story
of the weeping statue of Jesus in India

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that turned out, excuse me,
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the statue. So I mean,
all I gotta say is watch Dairy Girls.

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You know what's really said about that
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reported that and figured it out,
he was arrested for debunking that statue and

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was facing three years in prison.
Oh my gosh, he had a fleet

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of Finland to avoid going to jail
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a sad end to that. Like
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Like I said, I did a
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I thought it was so weird and
cool. But you know, I could

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sit here and talk all night.
I'm gonna go ahead and pass it the

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Infidel though before I do, oh, you're on mute. Pulling a Johnny

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p. Everybody has to you know, one of these times. If some

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next time somebody is on mute,
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nodding and say, hmm, see
how long we keep going before you realize

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it. That would make for exciting
listening. I guess I was too just

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too engrossed and listen to Kelly.
I figured I should just stop and pause

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and ponder things. But I think
that cross Examiner had something really important,

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and that is is that there's both
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it where you just want to laugh
and completely dismiss things because of the sheer

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absurdity of it. And what what
this points out. You know, God

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has time to make statues, we
football teams win and find parking spots.

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You know, it can show up
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things, but it can't really do
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You know, the worst part is
is I have no doubt that the local

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town folk really believe that this is
something that's going on. You know,

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it sounds like they've had some really
rough years. I think the last six

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years they've been labeled the most dangerous
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kind of thing is going to breed
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another thing that we touch on here, and here's the part that's not funny

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at all, is that religion does
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like despair or loss. You know, this is the kind of environment that

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it thrives in. You know,
isn't it heart You know, we look

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at it and say, isn't a
heartwarming that God has time to make statues

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weak but struggle with the whole ending
world. Hunter. You know, these

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people are looking for something a little
more localized. They're looking at the pain

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and the things that they're dealing with
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is a representative of, you know. And you know, we could say

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it's in the you know, you
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nothing like that. And it's clearly
the witness believe this, you know,

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and it goes into their credibility.
But they're emotionally invested in this because they

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need a change. They they're looking
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know, for me, you know, this is about them and whatever voice

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or reason that's within them to listen
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that God could do, why tears
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seem to be more interested in something
that's a parlor trick. That's something that

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you know, we could replicate.
A God that can do anything chooses to

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do almost nothing. I say almost, because well we are talking about you

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know, we are talking about tears
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even giving that evidence like that,
yes, that's pretty bad. But you

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know, but a custodian in the
church at nine and eleone pretty much good

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for nothing. That's all I can
say, Scott, I think you had

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something that would sum Yeah. I
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I mean two things you said,
the parlor tricks parts reminds me of an

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old joke. I don't know if
anybody I may be aging myself here,

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but Father Guido Sarducci, a comedian
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Roman Catholic priest. He had a
joke that he would tell this is a

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short version of it. He would
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a saint in the Catholic Church,
you have to have four documented miracles,

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and only two of them can be
card tricks, So you know, that's

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what we're talking about here, the
same thing, this parlor tricks, this

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cheapness, making their God seem so
small type of thing. But another thing

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I wanted to pick up on was
the sadness, the desperation that you're talking

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about. And I've been on this
kick lately of these little things this and

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like you said, praying to find
my parking spot, and I'm doing an

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episode on homeopathy and faith healing,
all these little things that if people choose

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to believe them, it primes their
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evidence of magic throughout the world.
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more vulnerable. It it weakens your
bullshit detector a little bit just to have

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these stories out there. So the
headline that this is an inexplicable miracle is

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contributing to a real problem. Now, I'm, you know, maybe making

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a mountain out of a molehill here, but I do genuinely believe that when

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people are inundated with these stories about
you know, homeopathy works and the lockness

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monster and crying statues, there's a
lot of people out there who might be

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primed to think, you know,
magic is real. Some of this has

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got to be true. I don't
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to say it's again sad and funny, but we do have to watch out

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that that people don't take it to
heart. So thanks for passing it off

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me, Scott. Did you have
something to wrap up with? No,

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but I think Kelly does. Okay. He tried to give it to Scott

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and he's drinking. Yeah, he's
not wanting it. I just I was

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doing my deep dive and one of
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is that this is a phenomenon that
goes way back. It was first reported

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in one hundred in the first century
a d by Plutarch, and I have

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a great quote here from him,
if let me pull it up here,

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because I thought it was a pretty
good one. The statues have appeared to

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sweat and shed tears and exude something
like drops of blood. It is not

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impossible, since wood and stone often
contract the mold, which is productive of

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moisture, and cover themselves with many
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And there is nothing in the way
of believing that the deity uses these phenomenas,

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sometimes as signs importance, and I
thought it was funny that here he

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found this natural explanation for it and
still connected that to a god. So

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I thought that was pretty incredible,
thousands of years before the Enlightenment and the

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formalization of the scientific method. Yep, yeah, so I know that Scott

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did do it. You do?
Yeah? I did have a followed him

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to go last, and so what
do you, Scot? I do have

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a little bit more to say.
I wanted to go last because it's the

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spoiler, right, So if you
don't want the spoiler, and here's your

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chance to change a channel or whatever. So we're talking about all, you

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know, people of this unknown thing. We don't have an explanation. We

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do we have an explanation. We
know what happened with this statue. This

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is from the Catholic News Agency.
They published a fact check on this.

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The father Gerardo Lopez Herrera, communications
director for the Diocese of Kalima, which

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is where this church was. So
the person in charge of that area said

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a priest went and examined the statue
and determined that no miracle was involved.

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They said that image is a representation
of the sorrowful Virgin. The artist placed

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some silicone tears on it. Okay, it was an piece of artwork intended

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to look like a woman crying.
The parishioners talk about the eyes are red,

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just like when we're really crying.
Yeah, they painted the eyes red.

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It's the sorrowful Virgin. But there's
tears coming. Yeah, they put

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tears on there. It's the Sorrowful
Virgin piece of art. If you look

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at the different if you see different
photos of it, you'll notice that the

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tear is always in the same spot
and in both eyes it's coming down.

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There's no tears flowing. They even
showed video of it and the tears were

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perfectly motionless. And so I don't
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the worst miracle ever in my book. And that's all I had to say.

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Where did this follow up come from? Scott? The follow up was

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from Catholicnewsagency dot com. And in
the in the show notes, I mean,

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how you can't make this up if
you did, like even it's always

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sunny, didn't think that that would
be a believable storyline, right, And

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one other one other note, like
they're doing these fact checks and Kelly mentioned

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all these other stories, how many
wasted hundreds and thousands of man hours were

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spent just trying to debunk, slash
verify all of this, right exactly,

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it's crazy people with too much free
time and too much disposable income. I

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suppose a lot of desperation. Yeah, that's about it people. And why

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why to do it? Why do
it? Are they really trying to prove

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that there's a god or they just
trying to pull the wool over everybody's eyes.

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Well, because they would rather have
the you know, they they rather

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have the one hundred percent shock than
the fifty to fifty maybe get to shock,

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right, So they'd rather it's it's
more comfortable to have this than than

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to think that there's an unknown.
Maybe this, maybe this is we're getting

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a little meta here. Maybe the
whole idea of these statues is to address

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the unknown of the universe. And
they can say, well, if we

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have these statues, then that shows
that we know something about the universe.

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I don't know, I'm getting a
little off track here, So no,

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I think you're right. I think
know we know the Catholic Church is nothing

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more than a criminal, criminal syndicate. They operate no other way. So

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for them to take advantage in a
local area of people's gullibility. I have

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no problem at all that it was. But they haven't. Though they were

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telling people, they were saying no, no, no, ye has actually

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been still in almost every one of
these cases that I that I looked at

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too, it was the Catholic Church
that was that was part of debunking these

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miracles. So and no means yes
to some people, and that quarter they

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have to say they can't let go
of it. They really can't. That's

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strange. I don't, Yeah,
it's it's It is pretty strange, the

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