1 00:00:01,679 --> 00:00:05,400 Well, hey, there everybody coming off the weekend where let's be honest, 2 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:09,599 there wasn't a prominent fight card in the US, Europe, South America. 3 00:00:09,679 --> 00:00:13,599 The faris really to talk about. Yes, there were some club shows, 4 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:16,440 some lesser shows that we're going on and out of the championship variety of the 5 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:21,320 big name variety. But nonetheless we are here on the Fight Freaks Unite recap 6 00:00:21,399 --> 00:00:26,879 because we always love delivering for the audience whenever we can. We usually preview 7 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:30,160 going into the weekend with the Big Fight Weekend Preview, Dan Rayfield and me, 8 00:00:30,199 --> 00:00:33,600 and we come off the weekend with the Fight Freaks Unite recap. So 9 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:37,399 we were not not going to go into this week and not give you some 10 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:40,039 kind of a show. So we've decided to get creative. On the last 11 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:42,520 pod, you got a lot of news. Go back and listen to the 12 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:46,159 Big Fight Weekend preview. Lots of news heading into the weekend, whether it 13 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:49,719 be Daniel Dawa's appeal to the WBA to try to get a rematch with Alexander 14 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:55,000 Usik not gonna happen, Tyson Furies press conference with the Francis and Ghanu fight 15 00:00:55,039 --> 00:00:59,920 coming up. Dan has news on some other fights being made and dates, 16 00:01:00,159 --> 00:01:03,200 nostalgia. All of that's on the previous podcast, so go check that out 17 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:07,400 immediately before us for the fight news coming up in a moment. He's got 18 00:01:07,439 --> 00:01:11,680 a special guest, and we tease this that is a prominent boxing manager of 19 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:17,400 world champions and different fighters. Keith Connelly will be Dan's full guest here as 20 00:01:17,439 --> 00:01:19,519 part of the recap podcast. Again, it's a good time to work this 21 00:01:19,599 --> 00:01:25,120 interview in because we are light on results on the recap podcast, so that 22 00:01:25,239 --> 00:01:29,200 interview, that conversation coming up in just a moment. Reminder again, however, 23 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:33,599 you found us through a social media link through Dan's Fight Freaks Unite substack 24 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:36,879 through Bigfight Weekend dot Com. Thank you for doing so. Thank you to 25 00:01:36,879 --> 00:01:41,519 the audience that has stayed with us and continue to grow. 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So you're gonna want to be 35 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:17,800 here as part of the content on this podcast feed. The Big Fight we 36 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:22,719 can podcast feed, and without further delay, let's get into it. You're 37 00:02:22,879 --> 00:02:25,599 ready to hear from Big Dan and a prominent boxing manager on all the fighters 38 00:02:25,599 --> 00:02:30,520 he manages and all the different storylines that gain a reminder. When Dan is 39 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:35,840 done with the interview, we're done with this edition of the recap. Big 40 00:02:35,879 --> 00:02:39,719 Fight Weekend preview coming later in a week. If developments warrant, if something 41 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:43,919 massive is going on, we might come back on this podcast. We get 42 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:46,719 another big time interview during the week. This is why you gotta follow or 43 00:02:46,759 --> 00:02:51,960 subscribe to be on the podcast feed. But for right now, Dan's conversation 44 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:54,599 that's coming up. We'll conclude this podcast and we'll talk to you again on 45 00:02:54,639 --> 00:03:00,199 the Big Fight we Can preview. But now Dan has more All right, 46 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:04,039 everybody, I am glad to bring into the podcast. A man who's very 47 00:03:04,039 --> 00:03:06,919 busy lately. Got a lot of guys in boxing who you definitely know of. 48 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:09,039 This is the manager Keith Connelly. Keith, welcome to the show. 49 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:12,919 Appreciate you doing this, and I'm gonna tell people all the guys and gals 50 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:15,159 you managed. Thanks for doing this. Great to be here, Dan, 51 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:19,680 thanks for having me. I appreciate it. So let's tell the people are 52 00:03:19,759 --> 00:03:23,520 you Are you not personally because you're a manager that often tries to kind of 53 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:25,599 stay out of the news, but you your fighters. There's a lot of 54 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:29,000 them who are in the news a lot. So I'm just going to run 55 00:03:29,039 --> 00:03:32,280 through the list. You are the manager of the IBF heavyweight mandatory challenger Philip 56 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:37,400 Arkovic, the super middleweight contender Edgar Berlanga, the up and coming junior welterweight 57 00:03:37,439 --> 00:03:43,199 emerging contender Richards and Hitchens, the undisputed women's junior lightweight champion Alicia Baumgardner, 58 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:47,319 the former middleweight champion Daniel Jacobs. You are the manager also of the heavyweight 59 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:51,560 Adam Knacky, who's just been in the news yesterday as we tape this, 60 00:03:52,759 --> 00:03:55,120 the former junior welterweight title holder Chris Algerie, and a whole bunch of good 61 00:03:55,159 --> 00:04:00,280 looking prospects to lightweight Mark Castro, welterweight, Risk Shop Madi, light heavyweight 62 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:05,960 khalil Ko, and the Chechen wolf Arthur. I have a hard time with 63 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:12,039 his name, Mkeith Arthur Karnilov. So that's a lot of talent on your 64 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:15,400 roster. So I appreciate you taking time to talk about these guys with me. 65 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:17,480 I guess let's jump right into it though. The guy that was in 66 00:04:17,519 --> 00:04:24,920 the news literally most recently was your heavyweight Adam Konaki, the longtime contender kind 67 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:28,000 of has fallen on some hard times. But his opponent from the fight that 68 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:33,199 he had just a you know, a few weeks ago testa positive for band 69 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:38,680 substance, Joe Kusumano, and that was announced by match Room Boxing, and 70 00:04:38,759 --> 00:04:41,920 he failed a test put on by the New York State Athletic Commission. This 71 00:04:41,959 --> 00:04:45,439 is the fight that took place at the end of June, and I just 72 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:47,920 wonder when you see that happen to one of your fighters, and you know, 73 00:04:47,959 --> 00:04:50,680 I know how bad Adam felt about it because he feels like, you 74 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:55,120 know, he was beaten by a guy that was on performance enhancing drugs. 75 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:57,600 What is your take about what is your take on that. How do you 76 00:04:57,639 --> 00:05:00,439 feel for Adam in terms of when that happens, Well, anytime you hear 77 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:05,879 anybody test positive, obviously it's shocking because you always you never want to think 78 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:09,800 going into a fight, or even after a fight, that that that occurred. 79 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:14,360 The details are sketchy at this point. I spoke to the Commission. 80 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:18,600 They haven't been able to release exactly what he tested positive for, but I 81 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:23,399 was told it was peeds and they're going to take an aggressive approach. I'm 82 00:05:23,439 --> 00:05:28,439 dealing with it. So I sent an official email of the Commission asking them 83 00:05:28,759 --> 00:05:32,759 to provide exactly what peeds he tested positive for, and I'm just waiting to 84 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:36,240 hear back at this point. But yeah, it was shocking to Adam. 85 00:05:36,319 --> 00:05:39,839 He's the one that hadn't get in the ring, and you know, he 86 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:43,199 put on a great performance. It was an ethic war between the two guys, 87 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:47,560 and obviously, you know Adam's first reaction was, you know, that's 88 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:51,399 why I lost. There's no way that that guy could have fought the way 89 00:05:51,439 --> 00:05:56,120 he did without being on something. But again, it's early, we don't 90 00:05:56,120 --> 00:06:00,600 know all the details. I don't want to speculate on anything until I really 91 00:06:00,639 --> 00:06:04,360 get all the details of the tests and what he tests aposit Yeah, fair 92 00:06:04,439 --> 00:06:08,519 enough, I mean, and I can understand it from Adam's perspective, as 93 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:12,480 you said, he feels like, Wow, my opponent was on a PEED, 94 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,639 So I can say that was probably why I lost. But then Adam's 95 00:06:15,639 --> 00:06:18,680 perspective, which is what he gave me in the comments and the story that 96 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:23,319 I wrote about when this occurred, is that his mindset is also, not 97 00:06:23,399 --> 00:06:28,399 only did my opponent Joe Kusumano have a positive drug test, but the two 98 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:31,519 of my he's got four losses, one to Kusumano, one by a decision, 99 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:34,519 but he's got the two stoppage losses to Robert Helenius. Now, Robert 100 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:38,800 Helenius did not have any kind of positive drug tests related to his fights with 101 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:43,480 Adam, but it was just a few days before the Kusamano that it became 102 00:06:43,519 --> 00:06:46,319 known that Helenius had failed his own PEED tests related to his loss to Anthony 103 00:06:46,399 --> 00:06:50,519 Joshua. So if you're if you're Adam Konaki in your mind, you're like, 104 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:54,920 I got four losses and three of them are two fighters that are associated 105 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:59,319 with peeds. Can you understand where he's coming from and how how just absolutely 106 00:06:59,399 --> 00:07:02,000 pissed off must be about that. Well, of course, I mean anytime 107 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:06,040 you're a fighter or any sort of high level athlete, if you lose and 108 00:07:06,079 --> 00:07:11,680 then you find that type of stuff out later, you're going to be I 109 00:07:11,839 --> 00:07:16,240 rated on it. So I totally understand. There's no proof that Hellenius did 110 00:07:16,279 --> 00:07:20,480 anything during our fights, so I can't say that that happened when he fought 111 00:07:20,519 --> 00:07:25,439 at him. But obviously I know the way Adam feels. He's a competitor. 112 00:07:25,759 --> 00:07:29,439 If there's anybody in the sport that puts everything out there and on the 113 00:07:29,439 --> 00:07:32,680 line and the fight, it's Adam, and he's literally risking his life every 114 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:38,079 time he fights with his fighting style. So I totally see where Adam's coming 115 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:42,120 from. He's devastated by the news, and I was on the phone with 116 00:07:42,199 --> 00:07:45,879 him probably about three or four times yesterday, and as of right now, 117 00:07:45,879 --> 00:07:48,319 we're just trying to find out the details of what he actually tested positive for 118 00:07:48,639 --> 00:07:53,560 and what the levels are, and we just don't have all the information yet. 119 00:07:53,639 --> 00:07:57,399 So again I don't want to speculate on it, but Adam's devastated, 120 00:07:57,439 --> 00:08:00,439 to say the least, all right, So on the one hand, you're 121 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:03,439 the manager of a guy who was feeling aggrieved because his opponent had a positive 122 00:08:03,519 --> 00:08:07,160 drug test, and now the shoe is also, you know, in some 123 00:08:07,279 --> 00:08:11,879 fashion on the other foot, because you're also the manager for Alicia bamb Garner, 124 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:16,279 the undisputed women's junior lightweight champion. She had a positive drug test come 125 00:08:16,319 --> 00:08:20,560 back in the wake of her victory in the July rematch against Christina Leonardatu. 126 00:08:22,199 --> 00:08:24,199 That was a VODA test. She puss a positive for a banned substance. 127 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:30,319 Obviously, she says that she didn't take anything going into that fight. So 128 00:08:30,399 --> 00:08:33,159 how is it on the other side of the coin, and can you give 129 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:35,559 any kind of update on where things stand in Alicia's case and what's happening with 130 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:41,399 that. Well, like I said before, it's always shocking and it's always 131 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:46,879 unfortunate anytime to somebody test positive. Obviously, when it's sure fight that happens 132 00:08:46,919 --> 00:08:50,759 to you, you know, you talk to them. And I spent countless 133 00:08:50,799 --> 00:08:54,159 hours on the phone of Alicia over the last couple of months since her fight, 134 00:08:54,440 --> 00:09:03,559 and I truly believe that if it wasn't her system and she did test 135 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:07,679 positive, that she truly doesn't think that she took anything, you know, 136 00:09:07,919 --> 00:09:11,320 a lot of these athletes take supplements. You know, they trust what they're 137 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:16,080 taking. They had people that give it to them, and you know they 138 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:20,919 don't test everything that they take. So I truly, I mean she's she 139 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:24,360 was. Actually it's funny because I was talking the matchroom and they said Keith, 140 00:09:26,039 --> 00:09:28,519 she was the one that was pounding for the testing. She put her 141 00:09:28,879 --> 00:09:33,000 her fist down on the table and said, I don't want to do this 142 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:35,960 fight unless there's testing. She could have easily gotten out of it. She 143 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:39,600 was the only one that demanded and put it, really put her foot down, 144 00:09:39,639 --> 00:09:41,639 said I'm not going to do the fight. Uless's testing. So I 145 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:46,879 truly believe that if it wasn't her system, and and there's no issues with 146 00:09:48,039 --> 00:09:50,279 change of custody and we're going through all of that now and all the different 147 00:09:50,279 --> 00:09:54,399 scenarios. We just got all the documentation for the testing from the testing company, 148 00:09:54,639 --> 00:09:58,399 if it truly was in her system, I truly believe that she doesn't 149 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:03,559 believe that she took it, and somehow it was in was something, you 150 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:07,879 know, a regular supplement that she took. That's just what I truly believe. 151 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:11,519 So, you know, you have a lot of people that are testing 152 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:16,960 positive nowadays, And I just know how boxers are and athletes are. They 153 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:20,639 do have people around them, They have people that they get supplements from, 154 00:10:20,799 --> 00:10:24,000 buy supplements from, and they don't know where they come from, and they 155 00:10:24,039 --> 00:10:28,639 are they trust in their team. And I don't know if any of these 156 00:10:28,639 --> 00:10:33,840 people are testing positive know what they're taking. I'm not blaming anybody. I 157 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:37,039 just know that when I talked to Alicia, from the hours I've been on 158 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:41,039 the phone with her, I truly believe that if it wasn't her system, 159 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:46,440 somehow it got in there without her taking it intentionally. I don't believe for 160 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:48,759 a second that she took it intentionally. Just from the time being on the 161 00:10:48,759 --> 00:10:52,720 phone with her, is this what is the next step? And then in 162 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:56,200 this whole, because I know these things do take time to play out with 163 00:10:56,759 --> 00:11:01,080 you know, her team, there's also the hospect of a B sample be 164 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:03,440 tested. What's just what's I know you can't get into every detail of it. 165 00:11:03,519 --> 00:11:07,519 What is the next step? Well, obviously now we're going through a 166 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:11,039 legal proceeding there. You know, I don't want to I don't want to 167 00:11:11,919 --> 00:11:16,039 leap frog her attorney and go out there and start saying what the defense is 168 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:20,759 or where we're at. We just did get a couple of business days ago 169 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:24,679 the full documentation of everything, all the paperwork from the testing center in the 170 00:11:24,759 --> 00:11:31,480 lab. The lawyer does have a direction that we're going to go in. 171 00:11:33,759 --> 00:11:39,360 Obviously, we will reply to the commission, will reply to the sanctioning bodies. 172 00:11:39,639 --> 00:11:43,360 We'll put in our findings. We do have a couple of issues that 173 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:48,399 we do want to raise and and we're going to put on our defense because 174 00:11:48,399 --> 00:11:52,600 she truly believes that she didn't take it. And you know, we'll see 175 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:54,279 where it goes from there. But like you said before, it is going 176 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:58,120 to take a little bit of time. They aren't going through the process. 177 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:01,039 But she'd believes she's in this, and I believe that she believes that she's 178 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:05,000 innocent. I don't think she intentionally took anything. In fact, I probably 179 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:11,360 as far as heart taking anything intentionally, I bet any amount of money that 180 00:12:11,399 --> 00:12:15,320 she doesn't believe that she took that. But again, you're getting supplements from 181 00:12:15,399 --> 00:12:20,799 stores from people, Athletes are trusting, they take something, they might not 182 00:12:20,879 --> 00:12:24,120 always know exactly what it is, and these sort of things happen. So 183 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:31,279 when these situations pop up, you really never know if one, the testings, 184 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:35,279 the testings on point two, if the athlete took it knowingly or took 185 00:12:35,279 --> 00:12:39,000 it unknowingly. And I do believe there might be some instances in the sport 186 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:46,360 where people are just trusting certain people taking supplements, or maybe things get contaminated 187 00:12:46,639 --> 00:12:50,720 and things happened. Because there's been so many positive tests lately, and there 188 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:54,320 there's a lot more testing than there used to be. I can't see a 189 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:58,200 lot of these people saying, yeah, let me take this, even though 190 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:01,639 I know I'm going to be test I'm getting I'm getting tired of writing about 191 00:13:01,639 --> 00:13:03,720 it, to be honest with you, Keith, Yeah, I mean, 192 00:13:03,759 --> 00:13:07,159 I'm not saying it doesn't happen. I just know from my fighter that I'm 193 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:13,519 dealing with. I truly don't believe she took anything knowingly. And again, 194 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:18,440 there was a chain of custody issues that we have some questions about. I'm 195 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:20,679 not saying the lab didn't anything wrong. I'm not saying the testing company did 196 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:24,480 anything wrong, because it's just way too soon in the process and we're gathering 197 00:13:24,519 --> 00:13:28,559 information now and over the next couple of months. Well, we'll see where 198 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:31,440 the sets. All right, Well, let's jump about Alicia. I know 199 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:37,799 Alicia, she's a godfearing woman. She works hard, and I truly believe 200 00:13:37,879 --> 00:13:43,440 in horror, and I truly believe that she didn't knowingly take anything understood. 201 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:46,360 All right, let's jump one hundred pounds or so north to the heavyweight division. 202 00:13:46,919 --> 00:13:50,720 As I mentioned in the introduction, you are the manager for the IBF 203 00:13:50,759 --> 00:13:54,519 mandatory heavyweight contender, the undefeated Philip Argovic. He had a knockout victory on 204 00:13:54,600 --> 00:14:00,159 that Anthony Joshua Robert Alnia's card in the twelfth round against Demse McKean. That 205 00:14:00,279 --> 00:14:01,879 was the let's call it the tune up fight. Although you know, you 206 00:14:01,919 --> 00:14:05,399 go twelve rounds like that against a big, strong guy like Demsim King, 207 00:14:05,399 --> 00:14:07,120 I don't know if I can call it a tune up, but he got 208 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:11,320 to win, you know, one pretty handily. And the idea here was 209 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:13,919 he's got to wait to see what happens between Alexander Usik and Daniel Duwa. 210 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:18,559 That was the WBA mandatory fight from earlier in August. Usick, of course 211 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:26,320 won the fight by a knockout, and the IBF had notified team Hrgovich and 212 00:14:26,519 --> 00:14:28,919 Usik that, you know what, when the fight's over, we know that 213 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:33,720 that fight is due. That fight has happened. So where are you now 214 00:14:33,759 --> 00:14:37,399 with an order from the IBF to make the mandatory fight for your guy and 215 00:14:37,399 --> 00:14:41,679 for Usick to make the mandatory defense, because it hasn't happened. As we're 216 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:45,919 recording this and listen, there's a lot of rumors that you got the two 217 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:50,399 camps between Matt Room and K two trying to see if they can get a 218 00:14:50,399 --> 00:14:54,120 fight between Usick and Tyson Fury done pending in October twenty eighth victory by Tyson 219 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:58,200 Fury against Francis Nagano. But your guy, you know, obviously is next 220 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:03,720 in line for the ib and I guess next in line period. Well yeah, 221 00:15:03,759 --> 00:15:05,600 I mean, you know, from all the paperwork and all the letters 222 00:15:05,639 --> 00:15:09,279 we've been sent, we are owed the mandatory It should be issued next. 223 00:15:09,679 --> 00:15:15,399 I believe we were going to get that decision this week. Obviously, when 224 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:18,679 you have an eighty one hundred million dollar fight hanging out there in the win, 225 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:24,799 you always have to worry about, you know, your position being taken 226 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:28,919 away somehow. I don't think from a legal standpoint it can be if the 227 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:33,159 IVF goes by the rules and they do so, I have all the belief 228 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:35,759 in the IVF that they will follow their rules and we are owed the fight. 229 00:15:37,279 --> 00:15:41,240 We got a letter weeks ago that if we won in USIG one, 230 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:48,960 we were the mandatory. You also just clarify beautifications trump a mandatory. But 231 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:54,279 right now, Tyson Fury has a fight schedule Doctober twenty eight and he's unavailable 232 00:15:54,559 --> 00:15:56,000 right what I would saying, it's not just that you're the mandatory. You 233 00:15:56,039 --> 00:16:00,559 are the mandatory next as opposed to sandatory. But there may be an intervening 234 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:06,279 bout my impression from going back a while ago after he had to win over 235 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:08,519 his zangs July and they ordered the mandatory, and then they realized that they 236 00:16:08,519 --> 00:16:11,240 did it in the wrong order, so they acquiesced to the w BA. 237 00:16:11,559 --> 00:16:17,720 It was made very clear that the IBF would be the next fight. Correct, 238 00:16:17,799 --> 00:16:21,799 we're next in line. We are the mandatory. We were told ahead 239 00:16:21,799 --> 00:16:26,919 of time at USK one and HERGA and Hergovich one they would mandate it. 240 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:33,120 So I don't think the IBF would go back on what they've said as far 241 00:16:33,159 --> 00:16:37,200 as the rules go. I don't see how they can, and we'll see 242 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:41,480 how this plays out. I have my personal attorney, Greg Smith, who 243 00:16:41,519 --> 00:16:48,759 also represents Hergovich. He's in constant contact with the IBF. I know Wasserman 244 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:52,799 as Chris Meyer, who deals the sanctioning organizations for Wasserman, He's had a 245 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:57,320 close contact with the IBF. And just so people know, that's Washerman. 246 00:16:57,799 --> 00:17:04,400 Washerman is the promoter for Philipargovic. Correct, And we are under belief that 247 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:10,880 they're going to follow their rules. And I wouldn't be surprised if if that 248 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:12,359 decision is rendered by the end of this week. We have a couple of 249 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:17,200 days left in the week at the very latest early next week. But I 250 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:19,960 think there's going to be the decision this week. And the only decision from 251 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:26,400 a legal standpoint and a practical standpoint is we get promised what we were promised 252 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:30,680 by the IDF in a letter. And also, if you go by the 253 00:17:30,799 --> 00:17:34,920 rules, we are mandatory. Music has to fight us or he has to 254 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:40,119 vacate the title. I don't see anywhere around that. And again you go 255 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:47,960 back people say unifications trump a mandatory. Tyson Fury has a fight schedule October 256 00:17:48,079 --> 00:17:52,400 twenty eight, right, so he could break his hand, he could lose 257 00:17:52,440 --> 00:18:00,000 the fight, he could retire afterwards. You don't you you can't you can't 258 00:18:00,079 --> 00:18:04,079 say a mandatory Trumps. Sorry, a unification Trumps is mandatory. Tyson Fury 259 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:07,319 isn't even availab And by the way, just so people know, the IBF 260 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:11,519 does allow a mandatory unification the Trump and mandatory, but it has to be 261 00:18:11,599 --> 00:18:15,279 done under a certain set of criteria, which is that there's availability, it's 262 00:18:15,319 --> 00:18:17,559 got to be done by a certain date. The request has to be made 263 00:18:17,559 --> 00:18:19,599 official, and I don't think that any kind of official requests have been made, 264 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:23,519 and particularly when you are already within the mandatory period. Your your fight 265 00:18:23,759 --> 00:18:26,720 was already it hasn't been officially ordered, but they told you they were going 266 00:18:26,759 --> 00:18:32,160 to order it after the victory. And I expect them to rule favor Daryl 267 00:18:32,319 --> 00:18:34,920 Peoples. He's been around a while. He's a very fair guy. I've 268 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:40,079 had guys ranked in the IBF, I've gotten title shots through the IDF, 269 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:44,960 So I actually expect them to rule in our favor. And I believe in 270 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:45,839 the IBF, and I believe in Darryl People. All right, So the 271 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:51,000 one the one question that crops up though, is this, there's a lot 272 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:53,720 of money in the possibility of a Tyson Fury fight against Alexander Usk down the 273 00:18:53,799 --> 00:18:56,680 road. You know, if he wins on October twenty eight, and this 274 00:18:56,759 --> 00:19:00,920 always comes up with any kind of big time fight, is what mandatory challenger 275 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:03,079 agree to take some kind of step aside deal, whether it's a you know, 276 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:06,920 a lot of money, or take some money and fight on our undercard 277 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:08,720 or whatever, and you know, we'll agree to the winner fight you next. 278 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:14,160 Is there any way that Philip Perkovich would weigh an offer for a possible 279 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:18,119 deal to step aside and allow the undisputed fight that take place prior to his 280 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:21,119 getting his title shot, if in fact he was sicking. The theory fight 281 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:22,960 can make a deal, you know, if the teams can make a deal. 282 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:26,799 I've had fifty conversations with Argovitch over the past couple of months about this. 283 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:30,599 We talk about it constantly. His attitude is, I want the title 284 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:36,079 shot. I don't care about the money to step aside. I've worked seventeen 285 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:40,480 years to get myself to this pinning boxing since he started boxing, And he 286 00:19:40,559 --> 00:19:45,519 said, I want to fight for the title because these situations only come around 287 00:19:45,559 --> 00:19:48,920 so often. He wants to win it for himself, for his family, 288 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:52,079 and for his country and go down in the history books as a heavyweight champion. 289 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:57,680 So I don't see a scenario where he would step aside. The answer 290 00:19:57,759 --> 00:20:00,559 is no right now, and I don't. I don't see anything changing as 291 00:20:00,599 --> 00:20:06,759 mind, even when they start adding zeros. Listen, we're in the real 292 00:20:06,799 --> 00:20:11,039 world right now. I can't say, you know, it's an impossible uh 293 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:17,920 scenario, but I would say it's almost impossible and very unlikely. Fair Enough, 294 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:19,839 he wants to fight for the heavyweight champions. He wants to become a 295 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:23,359 legend, he wants the big fights. He wants to be too sick, 296 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:27,440 and then he wants to, you know, fight the winner of Wilder Joshua 297 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:32,039 or or get a Fury fight. And if Us vacates it and you have 298 00:20:32,039 --> 00:20:33,920 to fight somebody else down in the ranking, he wants to do that too. 299 00:20:34,319 --> 00:20:40,839 So I don't think money is his motivating factor in this scenario. Everybody 300 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:41,839 loves to make money, and they all want to make a lot of it. 301 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:45,039 You all do, but want you want to get your guys grosserly overpaid. 302 00:20:45,279 --> 00:20:48,799 Title shot. You want to get your guys grossly overpaid. As a 303 00:20:48,799 --> 00:20:53,720 manager, that's the goal, that's the goals. At least get them market 304 00:20:53,799 --> 00:20:57,839 value and change their life exactly. All right. Well, so now you 305 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:00,519 have another fighter that you're working with that you hope to change his life, 306 00:21:00,519 --> 00:21:03,119 and you're getting him into a good position. It seems to me, is 307 00:21:03,319 --> 00:21:08,000 not that long ago you signed up the junior welterweight contender Richardson Hitchins. He's 308 00:21:08,039 --> 00:21:12,720 with match Room Boxing. He's supposed to headline the upcoming card September twenty three 309 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:18,720 in Orlando against Jose Zepeda, a very solid professional, former title challenger both 310 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:23,160 in the lightweight division and the junior welterweight division, a very well respected fighter. 311 00:21:25,279 --> 00:21:26,519 Just tell me, I mean to me, when I look at Richardson's 312 00:21:26,559 --> 00:21:29,359 record, I mean, I know he's got a tremendous amount of talent. 313 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:32,279 He was an Olympian, and he's looked good. He's slick, and he's 314 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:36,039 just a very good technical boxer. But on paper anyway, it does seem 315 00:21:36,079 --> 00:21:38,799 like Zepeda, just given his his background and the types of opponents he has 316 00:21:38,839 --> 00:21:41,480 faced, this is that this gotta be. It seems to be the toughest 317 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:45,279 fight that Richardson has had, at least on paper. Do you agree with 318 00:21:45,279 --> 00:21:48,000 that? And what do you expect from him in that fight against Sepeda? 319 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:51,839 Oh? I mean he's definitely the hardest fighter he's ever had a face. 320 00:21:52,079 --> 00:21:53,839 But I think it's actually a harder fight than luntanel Up. I don't know 321 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:57,279 what your opinion is on that, but I think it's definitely a harder fight. 322 00:21:57,759 --> 00:22:03,160 He he hits harder. I think he's got more experience. I think 323 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:08,559 Cepta wants this fight. I don't think Montana Lave ever wanted the Hitchens fight. 324 00:22:10,039 --> 00:22:11,680 So I think we're fighting a guy that's hungry, has a lot of 325 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:18,759 experience, and is dangerous and but you know what, that's the perfect situation 326 00:22:18,799 --> 00:22:22,640 to put a guy like Hitchens in because I think he's the type of fighter 327 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:26,000 that loves the spotlight and it's going to do better against better opponents. He's 328 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:30,920 gonna shine. So I actually talked to him today. He can't wait, 329 00:22:30,319 --> 00:22:34,799 but he's ready to fight today. And I think he's a pound for pound 330 00:22:34,839 --> 00:22:37,880 type talent. I've started to say that over the last year. I don't 331 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:45,039 think there's anybody the one forty pound division that he can't beat. Maybe he 332 00:22:45,079 --> 00:22:47,759 doesn't beat them, he's got to prove it, right, But I don't 333 00:22:47,799 --> 00:22:51,480 think there's anybody that is in that division where somebody would say oh, he 334 00:22:51,519 --> 00:22:53,920 has no chance in that time. This kid's got pound for pound type skills. 335 00:22:55,279 --> 00:23:00,240 He's not a huge, one punch knockout type guy, but he's got 336 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:04,559 enough of power to keep guys awful, sort of like you know when Mayweather 337 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:08,160 had that great straight right hand that would pop people's heads back, and you 338 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:11,839 know, people said Mayweather didn't couldn't hit that hard, but he had enough 339 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:15,440 pop to keep people off. And when he was young, he actually knocked 340 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:19,440 a lot of people out that people won't remember. But Hitchens is special and 341 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,240 I think in the next year he's gonna he's gonna win a title in the 342 00:23:22,279 --> 00:23:26,279 one forty pounds division, and I think he will be a superstar in the 343 00:23:26,279 --> 00:23:29,640 next couple of years. I'm pretty sure that fighters like Ricky Hatton would agree 344 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:33,440 that Floyd does have some punching power. The thing about the fight with Zepeda 345 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:37,680 that you mentioned in relation that you brought up Montana Love just so people remember 346 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:41,480 that fight was supposed to happen. Montana Love bowed out, claimed they some 347 00:23:41,519 --> 00:23:44,640 type of I believe it was a shoulder injury, and they ended up canceling 348 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,480 that fight. He's supposed to fight on the undercard when bomb Garner fought and 349 00:23:47,519 --> 00:23:51,680 now they have their main event coming up in September. If Richardson is successful 350 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:52,759 agains Zapeta and you know, of course he's going to be the favorite in 351 00:23:52,799 --> 00:23:56,319 the fight. Do you think he can get a title shot after that? 352 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:59,039 Or is going to take a little more time because Mattchraum also has redis program 353 00:23:59,279 --> 00:24:03,440 and now his sched jewels not solidified. He looks like he's probably gonna fight 354 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,519 Devon Haney, but he's you know, he's still with that company. You're 355 00:24:06,559 --> 00:24:11,920 with that company with Richardson? Is that sort of in the in the distant 356 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:15,599 future? I guess after this Hitchens fight against the PETA. I mean, 357 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,920 listen, you never know him boxing. You never know when things and and 358 00:24:18,799 --> 00:24:26,240 opportunities are gonna sort of pop out of nowhere. It sounds like Regis is 359 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:29,839 going to be fighting Devin Haney. E. They're both tremendous elite fighters, 360 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,960 right, I'm not sure who's gonna win that. I have an idea of 361 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:38,200 who I think is gonna win that say, but but yeah, we would 362 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,200 love to fight the winner of that next Will that happen? I don't know, 363 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:45,960 But he's ready to fight anybody at any any point in time. So 364 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:51,400 if he gets the winner of Rainey sorry Regis Haney, he'll take that. 365 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:55,119 And there's another one hundred forty pounds champion that's open to fighting us, we'll 366 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,440 do that. There's not anybody in the world that Hitchens will shy away from. 367 00:24:57,559 --> 00:25:00,240 None of these champions. He can be any of them on any given 368 00:25:00,319 --> 00:25:03,440 night. But yes, if it doesn't happen after this fight we do one 369 00:25:03,559 --> 00:25:07,319 or two more fights, we'll go with that too. But I do expect 370 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:11,039 him to get a title shot in the next twelve months. And I do 371 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,680 think he, like I said, I think he has the skills, the 372 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:21,839 confidence, the swag to be one of the stars of boxing. Yeah, 373 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,519 he's a great ship talker, right, but he can get back it up 374 00:25:25,559 --> 00:25:27,920 with skills and he is honestly one of the most confident fighters I've ever met. 375 00:25:29,319 --> 00:25:33,559 He actually tells me, get me Timo Lopez, that'll be easy. 376 00:25:33,799 --> 00:25:36,720 Get me a regious program, that'll be easy. He's telling me some of 377 00:25:36,759 --> 00:25:41,559 these elite fighters, and believe me, Regius and Tifimo, I'm big fans 378 00:25:41,559 --> 00:25:45,000 of there. They're elite fighters. He thinks they're easy fights for him, 379 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:49,400 So he's super confident in his in his skills, and I think he has 380 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,519 the skills to back it up. So we'll see what happens over the next 381 00:25:52,519 --> 00:25:55,640 twelve months. But I'm really high on hititions. I think he can be 382 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:57,079 an elite fighter. Now he's just got to go out there and do it 383 00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:00,799 all right, So here's another fight that year's sort of in the middle of 384 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,640 that. It seems like is there's some movement to try to make whether it 385 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:07,880 gets done, I'm very skeptical, but I'll hear what you have to say 386 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,839 about the future for your super middleweights. Young contender Edgar Berlanga. He had 387 00:26:11,839 --> 00:26:15,880 his first fight with match Room Boxing. He outpointed Jason Quigley in June. 388 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,039 He scored four knockdowns. He didn't get the knockout like I think a lot 389 00:26:19,079 --> 00:26:22,519 of people expected, so the non knockout street has continued. But he you 390 00:26:22,559 --> 00:26:26,680 know, he did win the fight and get a bunch of knockdowns. An 391 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,480 immediate aftermath of that fight, there was the interview in the ring where he 392 00:26:30,559 --> 00:26:33,480 was then and there with Eddie Hearn talking about what could be in the future, 393 00:26:33,559 --> 00:26:37,079 and the name Jimi Mongia came up. Now they're not with Mahimi is 394 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:38,960 not with match Room, but he's with Golden Boy, which is also on 395 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,559 the Zone. They've done plenty of fights together. That was the Mexico versus 396 00:26:42,599 --> 00:26:48,319 Puerto Rico two big you know, exciting fighters, guys that can punch. 397 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,680 Seems like a dream kind of match. Maybe not for a world title, 398 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:53,640 but it's a fight that I'm told that the Zone is very interested in. 399 00:26:56,319 --> 00:26:57,839 I know that you know, you have said to me that you guys are 400 00:26:57,839 --> 00:27:02,200 interested obviously the business to be right, the Golden Boy people have said the 401 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:06,920 same thing. So the question is can we see Edgar Berlanga and Heimi Mongia 402 00:27:07,039 --> 00:27:10,119 in a great Mexico Puerto Rico fight in the next matchup, you know, 403 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:14,359 end of this year. Well, anything's possible, But like you said, 404 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:19,519 there's a business side to the equation. I spoke to Sean Palmer, my 405 00:27:19,599 --> 00:27:26,440 buddy over at match Room, the CEO of matt Room, and one of 406 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:32,680 the lawyers, and we've requested to have a meeting in person with Eddie Hearn 407 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:37,319 the week of September twenty three there richardson Hitchin's Garden, Florida. We're just 408 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:42,440 waiting to get confirmation if we can make that meeting. What day, it 409 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,119 would be what time we want to sit down with Eddie. We want to 410 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:49,519 go over things and and we'll see if the fight can happen. Is it 411 00:27:49,559 --> 00:27:52,960 a fight? I mean, I know we've discussed that the business has to 412 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,720 be right, not just for Edgar but also for a Mangia, and I 413 00:27:55,759 --> 00:27:59,400 don't think it's easy to make the business work on either side. But it's 414 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,000 still Is it a fight that Edgar wants? Is a fight that you want? 415 00:28:02,079 --> 00:28:03,920 Is you're looking at something else or is that sort of like where your 416 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,799 focus is, like, let's try to make this fight and get it done 417 00:28:07,079 --> 00:28:11,920 if we can. Well, obviously his main focus and his dream was to 418 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,680 get the Canello fight. That's what we signed with Eddie Hearned for. That 419 00:28:15,839 --> 00:28:21,359 was the plan. He's now gone to PBC for a few fights. Obviously 420 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:26,559 Edgar could still fight Canello Albarez. Right, you just both sides have to 421 00:28:26,599 --> 00:28:33,920 sit down, Eddie al Haim and PBC, myself, Eddie Renoso. So 422 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:40,680 he's fighting Charlo September thirtieth, that's a week after we meet with or we 423 00:28:40,759 --> 00:28:44,680 hopefully leave with Eddie Hern in person. And there's a lot of names out 424 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,640 there, there's a lot of names out there that we could fight. Is 425 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:49,920 Heimie Mangia the guy that we want to fight. I don't think it was 426 00:28:51,039 --> 00:28:56,240 Edgar's number one choice, but it's a fight that I know just Zone wants, 427 00:28:56,279 --> 00:29:00,400 I know Eddie wants, And like I said, I can't giving you 428 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:06,799 an answer on that before I actually sit down in person with Edgar, with 429 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:10,720 Eddie Hearn with you know, some other guys for Mattroom that will be in 430 00:29:10,759 --> 00:29:14,440 that meeting. We have to go over every day, so it's not impossible, 431 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,799 but I just can't give you an answer on that until we actually sit 432 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,680 down with them in person and go over everything. Well, you're certainly you're 433 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:25,319 certainly very familiar with with with what Heimiy Mungi. It brings the table because 434 00:29:25,359 --> 00:29:27,440 and I was remissed to not mention his name when I introduced to you. 435 00:29:27,799 --> 00:29:32,160 In the various boxers that you manage and work with, another one of the 436 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,519 ones that you've worked with for many years of Sergey Devrenchenko, who has been 437 00:29:34,559 --> 00:29:38,519 a top contender you know, for a number of years in the middleweight division 438 00:29:38,759 --> 00:29:41,279 and moved up to the way that Heimi Mungi did in the last fight, 439 00:29:41,319 --> 00:29:45,799 and they fought each other in the super middleweight division in what is too many 440 00:29:45,839 --> 00:29:51,200 people a leading candidate for Fight of the Year this year, So you're familiar 441 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:55,119 with Mungia from that kind of fight. If you can't make a Mungia fight 442 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:56,799 with Berlanga or this, the money's not there, that one side or the 443 00:29:56,839 --> 00:30:00,960 other decides to go a different direction. How about And I think a lot 444 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,720 of boxing fans would love to see a rematch between him and Mungia and Serge 445 00:30:04,799 --> 00:30:07,799 Defferentek was a super close fight and it was very dramatic and it was just 446 00:30:07,839 --> 00:30:15,799 fantastic. Well yeah, I mean, obviously that's that should almost be an 447 00:30:15,839 --> 00:30:19,160 automatic rematch, right like in the days of HBO, where you'd have like 448 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:25,200 a Fight of the Year with Berreo Berrero Morales before they moved on to anything 449 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,759 else. It was like an automatic rematch. Well they actually waited, they 450 00:30:27,799 --> 00:30:30,880 did. They do it again a lot of times. I'm not saying those 451 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:34,440 particular guys, but I'm saying in general, it's a natural if something's a 452 00:30:34,519 --> 00:30:37,359 fight of the year, why wouldn't you want to do the rematch? So 453 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,599 I guess the first priority for match Room the Zone is they want us to 454 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,599 work at this Lungia Berlanga deal, which isn't impossible about the right, right, 455 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:49,519 It's just I can't I get asked that ten times a day. And 456 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:53,000 like I said, I have a client, Negri Blanga. He wants to 457 00:30:53,039 --> 00:30:59,799 sit down with Eddie in person to go over everything. And in two weeks 458 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:04,279 I might call you up and say, hey, is right, we have 459 00:31:04,359 --> 00:31:10,559 to have that meeting first. That's what Edgar has requested. I expect that 460 00:31:10,599 --> 00:31:12,839 to happen right around two weeks from now. I'll have a lot more clarity. 461 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,640 But yes, for whatever reason that this fight can't be made. Sergey 462 00:31:17,759 --> 00:31:21,319 is chomping at the bid for the for the rematch, and I don't see 463 00:31:21,359 --> 00:31:25,000 why fans wouldn't want that. It was probably the most exciting fight of the 464 00:31:25,079 --> 00:31:30,079 year, and if you watch that first fight and you know their styles, 465 00:31:30,119 --> 00:31:34,279 it's almost impossible for the rematch not to be exciting as well. Then maybe 466 00:31:34,359 --> 00:31:37,960 up for a fight of the year as well. Right, So, there's 467 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:44,200 so many guys that m could fight, right, Edgar Berlanga, Surge, 468 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:49,680 Derevin Shanko, Daniel Jacobs. At some point, I'm sure Triple G and 469 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:53,079 then Mangia would be a big fight. There's so many fights in that division 470 00:31:53,599 --> 00:31:59,400 and guys that that that have worked with the zone and that can be made. 471 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:01,279 Say, yeah, I'm sure all these guys will probably fight each other 472 00:32:01,319 --> 00:32:05,920 at some point, and I think s a game and Mungia if they didn't 473 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:07,119 fight again after their first fight, I think it would be a shame. 474 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:12,440 If it's next or it's somewhere down the road, I think those two guys 475 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,240 fighting again, it should happen. I think at some point Danny Jacobs should 476 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:19,000 fight him, and at some point Triple G should fight him if he decides 477 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,319 to come out of retirement or a semi retirement. I don't know if he's 478 00:32:22,599 --> 00:32:25,160 actually made a decision yet. He hasn't made any announcements just yet. Yeah, 479 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:29,079 there's so many exciting fights to make that one sixty eight. Even though 480 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,599 Canello has gone to PBC for a few fights, there's so many exciting fights 481 00:32:32,599 --> 00:32:36,279 that can be made still on his own. You know, you can have 482 00:32:36,319 --> 00:32:37,359 a round, Robert of those four guys. Yeah, like you said, 483 00:32:37,839 --> 00:32:42,200 different Tanko and them. Even if they don't, I mean, look, 484 00:32:42,279 --> 00:32:45,839 there's some that do it right away. As one example, Gaddian Ward fought 485 00:32:45,839 --> 00:32:50,240 three consecutive times. You mentioned Morales where they actually had two years between each 486 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,519 of their three fights, so it played out over the course of a few 487 00:32:52,599 --> 00:32:55,160 years. Uh. Sometimes there's a rematch and then there's another, you know, 488 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,279 a bit of time, and then perhaps there's a third fight. But 489 00:32:58,359 --> 00:33:00,279 yeah, I think a lot of people would love to see Devin Schenko and 490 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:05,640 Mungia get it on again, even if it's not h you know, Enco 491 00:33:05,759 --> 00:33:10,200 Trible G rematch, Daniel Jacobs Triple G rematch. I know a lot of 492 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:15,319 people are calling for Berlanga, Danny Jacobs obviously both my guys, you know. 493 00:33:15,759 --> 00:33:20,960 But and then that's always a tough one. But there's so many fights 494 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,240 at one sixty eight. They can invaded to zone. Uh, but we'll 495 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:28,240 see if we can make I was gonna I was gonna ask you moving on 496 00:33:28,279 --> 00:33:30,759 to the next topic of conversation, I was gonna ask you about Danny Jacobs, 497 00:33:31,039 --> 00:33:36,920 who you brought up in that in that previous discussion about Berlanga. He 498 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,920 hasn't had a fight since February twenty twenty. It was a very disputed, 499 00:33:40,279 --> 00:33:45,160 very close decision against John Ryder in England. He was on the road, 500 00:33:45,599 --> 00:33:47,880 and it really hasn't really been much about that, and I sort of wondered, 501 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,960 like, Okay, Danny, He's had a heck of a career, 502 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,359 one titles, overcame cancer, which is remarkable that he was even forget about 503 00:33:53,359 --> 00:33:57,559 fighting in just that he was able to live, but came on after that 504 00:33:57,599 --> 00:34:01,599 and had a successful boxing curve beyond his cancer diagnosis, made a ton of 505 00:34:01,599 --> 00:34:05,559 money in large part thanks to the you know, the big deals you were 506 00:34:05,559 --> 00:34:07,559 able to get for him, particularly the one at his own And I just 507 00:34:07,559 --> 00:34:10,000 wondered, what is his appetite to still fight again. I mean, is 508 00:34:10,039 --> 00:34:13,760 he just feeling like, you know, let me enjoy my life, enjoy 509 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:15,639 my money, enjoy my Family's got his you know, his un all close, 510 00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:17,920 he is with his son, and he's got a beautiful home now in 511 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,199 Atlanta. I mean, doesn't need to fight if he doesn't want to. 512 00:34:22,159 --> 00:34:24,320 Well, listen, Danny Jacobs is living the life. The kid's handsome. 513 00:34:24,639 --> 00:34:30,079 He had a great career. He beat cancer. He's the only person in 514 00:34:30,119 --> 00:34:32,480 the history of boxing to be paralyzed for a period of time from the waist 515 00:34:32,519 --> 00:34:36,599 down and to come back and win a world title. That's a fact. 516 00:34:37,039 --> 00:34:39,360 He's made a buttload of money. He's been smart with his money. This 517 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:44,480 kid rolls out of bed making a lot of money without doing a damn thing, 518 00:34:44,519 --> 00:34:47,280 so financially he's set, but he has said he does want to make 519 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:52,480 one more run. We were very close. See a lot of people know 520 00:34:52,599 --> 00:34:57,800 this. We were very close to making Danny against Mungia in two in the 521 00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:02,000 second half of twenty twenty two. It fell through at the end, but 522 00:35:02,039 --> 00:35:06,960 we were close to making that. So Danny doesn't want to fight. I 523 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:08,159 think it's at the point where he's been out of the ring over a year 524 00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,960 now. I think he wants to get one warm up fight and then he 525 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,000 would like to fight a guy like himing Mdia. So yeah, Danny definitely 526 00:35:15,039 --> 00:35:21,079 wants to come back. We're just trying to work that out right now and 527 00:35:21,119 --> 00:35:24,199 hopefully we'll have some clarity on that in the short term. The other one 528 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,800 I asked you if if you think that Danny was going to fight again. 529 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,719 I also I see him on TV as a commentator more than I've seen him 530 00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:32,639 in the ring for the last couple of years. But you know, you 531 00:35:32,679 --> 00:35:36,119 managed Chris Algeria for a long time. Chris had a good career, won 532 00:35:36,119 --> 00:35:37,519 a world title. You know, made a lot of money. Also had 533 00:35:37,559 --> 00:35:39,639 a big, huge fight with Paco, even though it didn't go his way. 534 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:43,400 Now, everywhere I go, he's on the international calls on some top 535 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:45,519 rank fights, he's doing some ring side stuff or some of the Zone events. 536 00:35:45,519 --> 00:35:47,800 Does a hell of a job on his commentary. Do you think that 537 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:51,920 you know and I know and I know Chris uh, you know still involved 538 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:53,679 in the business from the standpoint of because he's around at ring side doing these 539 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:57,440 fights. But does he want to fight again at some point? Or is 540 00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,119 he basically, like you know what, I'm good calling fights and being on 541 00:36:00,119 --> 00:36:04,679 the outside of the ring. I don't think he's one hundred percent decide that 542 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,559 he wants to fight or not again. You know, Chris is the type 543 00:36:07,599 --> 00:36:09,519 of guy that he's a he's a work act for you. He's a gym 544 00:36:09,599 --> 00:36:14,320 ratt Even if he's not training for a fight, he's working out to stay 545 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,679 in shape. He's always eating well, working out every day. So I 546 00:36:17,679 --> 00:36:21,880 don't think he's made a decision yet one way or the other. We'll see 547 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:25,199 what Pam's out here, But I know he's loving life commentating, He's getting 548 00:36:25,199 --> 00:36:29,000 a lot of reps doing it, and he's got an other things on the 549 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:30,840 side. That he can do. So Chris is very happy in life, 550 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:36,880 and if the situation comes up that's beneficial to him. I'm sure you would 551 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:38,519 fight again, or you might just wake up one day and get the itch. 552 00:36:38,599 --> 00:36:43,840 But I think right now he's comfortable what he's doing, and I think 553 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,599 he's content where he's at. So you have worked now with all these guys 554 00:36:46,599 --> 00:36:50,360 that we've talked about, some of them on the very highest level of the 555 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,760 sport, Like we've been discussing champions and guys who are working their way into 556 00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:57,280 huge fights and you know, possible big time events. But I know you 557 00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,400 also have a certain affinity for, you know, signing younger fighters, nurturing 558 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:04,880 their careers, bringing them along. I mentioned some of them like Mark Castro 559 00:37:05,039 --> 00:37:07,119 and Rashat Mahdi and some of the other guys. Uh, what is it 560 00:37:07,159 --> 00:37:10,239 about it that tracks you to try to bring a guy from the amateur ranks, 561 00:37:10,559 --> 00:37:13,280 you know where it's not easy. You've got to spend money, it 562 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,199 takes a lot of time. You've got to, you know, get them 563 00:37:15,199 --> 00:37:17,280 with a promoter. There's the constant of trying to make sure you get the 564 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:21,440 right opponents, dealing with your matchmakers and the promoters, and you know, 565 00:37:21,519 --> 00:37:23,679 it's it's it seems like it's maybe even more of a headache in some ways 566 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:27,199 than if you have a guy that's established, that's you know, is going 567 00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,760 to fight you know, two or three times a year max and at a 568 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:31,920 certain price point. Uh what is it about going with the younger guys? 569 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:35,679 It also gets you kind of you know, excited about it when you go 570 00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:37,880 to work on their careers. Well, that's what makes it so good. 571 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:42,800 The headaches and the heartaches of bringing a guy from zero and zero to a 572 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:46,880 world title, that's what makes it so gratifying. I think if it was 573 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:52,119 easy, there wouldn't be any gratification. So I love starting a guy out 574 00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,840 from from from scratch and and going, you know, seeing him grow from 575 00:37:55,880 --> 00:38:00,239 a young kid into an elite fighter on the world. There's nothing like it. 576 00:38:00,559 --> 00:38:05,119 There's nothing like it. So yeah, the pain, the headaches, 577 00:38:05,159 --> 00:38:07,480 the heart ache you're talking about, I think that's what makes it so gratifying 578 00:38:07,679 --> 00:38:13,320 and so exhilarating at the same time. One thing about you, in terms 579 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,760 of your management style that I have found to be sort of interesting and a 580 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:20,760 little bit different maybe than some other of the more well known managers in the 581 00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:24,280 business, You're one of the few guys that is really on a consistent basis, 582 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:28,679 spread your guys around, work with a variety of promoters. You've had 583 00:38:28,679 --> 00:38:30,760 guys with Mattram, You've had guys with Top Rank, You've done tons of 584 00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:35,760 business with PBC and Al Hayman. You have worked with Golden Boy on events. 585 00:38:36,119 --> 00:38:39,159 You have done fights with everybody, it feels like, and not every 586 00:38:39,159 --> 00:38:44,679 manager does that. What is it about your style that can keep you in 587 00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:49,519 the You know, able to have a conflict with a promoter perhaps and when 588 00:38:49,559 --> 00:38:52,320 it comes to making a deal for your fighter, but still be able to 589 00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:55,159 work with them all around the sport, not just one or two. Where 590 00:38:55,159 --> 00:39:01,119 you're bringing your guys. I think it's just more a matter of fact of 591 00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:07,480 I want to bring the fighter to where he fits in the best. Sometimes 592 00:39:07,519 --> 00:39:10,840 it's with Al Hayman. Do I love? Al taught me a lot in 593 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:15,239 the business. I consider him a mentor in the business. He's do so 594 00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,639 many great things for me and my fighters, and certain guys fit well with 595 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:22,840 him. Right. Another guy, Eddie Hearn done a lot of great things 596 00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,239 for me and my fighters. My guys have done very well with him as 597 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:30,199 well. Sometimes a fighter fits in with Eddie better than somebody else. It 598 00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:34,679 all depends on how excited the promoter is on the fighter. Because of the 599 00:39:35,199 --> 00:39:37,360 the promoter is excited about the fighter, they're going to push them and they're 600 00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,079 gonna put them in better positions to succeed. And I've done a lot of 601 00:39:40,079 --> 00:39:45,360 business with top rank you know. Like I said, certain guys fit in 602 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:47,480 better in certain places. And I'm not going to say, oh, I 603 00:39:47,519 --> 00:39:52,280 don't want to deal with that promoter because you know, I pissed him off 604 00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,880 or he pissed me off. I'm always going to do what's best for the 605 00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:59,199 fighter, and I can get over things quickly, right. You kind of 606 00:39:59,199 --> 00:40:01,440 have to have a short right, excuse me, you kind of have to 607 00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:07,840 have a short memory. Of course you have to because if I'm gonna if 608 00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:09,519 I'm going to hold something against a certain promoter, that's going to hurt one 609 00:40:09,559 --> 00:40:12,840 of my fighters, and I don't believe in that. And at the end 610 00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,119 of the day, it's all business, right. The promoter is trying to 611 00:40:15,159 --> 00:40:17,840 do the best for his company. I'm trying to do the best for my 612 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:23,519 fighter. Maybe other people hold grudges. I don't do that. I'm you 613 00:40:23,559 --> 00:40:28,039 know, if agar Blanga hits in over here, he's gonna go over here. 614 00:40:28,119 --> 00:40:30,840 If Mark Castro fits into a certain place, or Dandy Jacobs or Sergey 615 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:34,880 Devin Schanko, I'm going to put them where they have the best opportunity to 616 00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:38,519 succeed. And you know, like I said, top rank, they've done 617 00:40:38,559 --> 00:40:42,960 great things for my fighters. Todd the buffin top rank do a lot of 618 00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,159 great things for my fighters. Same thing with Eddie, same thing with Al 619 00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:51,119 Okay. And I've done some business with Golden Boy. But all these guys, 620 00:40:51,159 --> 00:40:53,440 I'm so thankful for everything they've done for my fighters, even if sometimes 621 00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:57,440 we don't see eye to eye, but we see eye to eye more than 622 00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:59,960 we don't, I think, And to me, it's all about the fight 623 00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:04,880 or changing their lives, and hopefully they're better off dealing with me in the 624 00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,920 promote right bringing them to than they would have been if I wasn't involved in 625 00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,119 their careme here. Well, there you go. You have to make sure 626 00:41:10,119 --> 00:41:13,960 now you come back and explain all the things we talked about when it all 627 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,800 comes down, fighter by fighter, when you get your deal done for whatever's 628 00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:22,599 going to be next for Berlanga or the situation with the heavyweights with Philip Krkovic 629 00:41:22,679 --> 00:41:25,039 and an Alicia's situation, and we'll see what happens with Richardson. Keith, 630 00:41:25,039 --> 00:41:28,400 thank you very much for taking time to talk to us today about all your 631 00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,639 guys and about the business. I appreciate it very much. I appreciate you 632 00:41:30,639 --> 00:41:34,639 too, Dan, Thanks for everything. You bet there you go, everybody, 633 00:41:34,679 --> 00:41:36,480 there's Keith Connelly manager. Extraordinary