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Here we are. It's the fire
Escape Cast. Is that I just realized

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I have no idea of Mike.
Does Mike have a We've got Ben Hansen

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here hands does some Vinnie knockoff thing? Like there's never been a better time

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to play video games? Everybody,
it's fire Escape right now. Thank you

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for being with us. There's some
there's some intro that I feel like was

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vinniees but everything's viny esque. What
has been like? I honestly, well,

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what was been hes? Like beast
Cast intro? How many episodes of

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the beast Casts? You do the
vining? Like over one hundred? Wait,

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no, let me guess, I
guess honestly it was like I know

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he did the like, never been
a better time for a podcast, Never

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been a better podcast, the best
one of the known universe. You're confusing

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with a lot of Next Leander stuff
right now, but you got it,

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man, Oh well, never been
a better podcast. Well, no,

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that's the one I'm on. That's
like the beast Cast reunion thing. Check

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out pass this trivia test hand check
out Slider's Patreon if you want to hear

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that. But I assumed that was
a reference to the beast Cast. Never

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been a better podcast. Yeah it
is, but Jesus Christ, yeah,

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a giant bombed has never been a
better time for games. I think was

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what they'd say, he never did
never been a better podcast. I think.

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I think it was a generic version
for the Next Land of Thing.

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That's a take on that. It's
the spiritual successor where they changed one keyword.

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Okay, okay, I guess hello, Vinnie, that's look. Ben

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Hanson's been here five minutes. He
brought a giant millipede into the house and

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I gave him a complain. In
Box Full DJ Hero two for PlayStation three,

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I wrote the millipede through the door
like Gena Davis on the sand Verm

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and Beetlejuice. I've been thinking I
want to watch spooky movies in October,

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and I realized I haven't seen Beetle
Juice since I was a kid, and

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it terrified me as a kid's specifically
when there was like a bridge, a

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covered bridge, and the face coming
off and the covered bridge. I mean,

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that's just the death scene. But
like a little dog does kill them.

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Maybe I'm mixing up two things,
because I definitely remember a covered bridge,

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and I remember a part where like
they go into a shed and somebody

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takes like like they're they're like like
a face does like a crazy like eyes

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like text avery cartoon type thing like
shed you mean kind? Yeah, there's

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like an afterlife area where they're trained
and they stretch out their face and learn

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how to haunt. And that's a
cool thing. Is that where they're in

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the waiting room. Well, Beetle
Juice is in the waiting room at the

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end, but it's I think the
same arena of the afterlife as they go

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in and talk to Juno and she
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a smoker and the smoke comes out
her neck. Oh right, I feel

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like I remember that movie in vignettes
and and I've seen parts of it and

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left the room for parts of it, and I watched the cartoon all the

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time. So like as a kid, it's my favorite. It's my favorite

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player to get whacked off in.
That's a great one. Oh that's right,

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this is fire Escape. This hasn't
been Mex a lot more whacking off

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jokes. Oh, just get it
all out of your system here, It's

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fine. What you been holding up
holding out? They did see Beetle Juice

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the musical and you did do it
recently. They didn't hear in Minneapolis.

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Here they they did the whole thing, the whole check out session, and

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not really so it's like a crowd
participation thing. Really off. Yes he

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does, and they get a whole
Gallagher tarp. It's wonderful. It's only

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ninety dollars. I'm starting to figure
out that the kids today don't get Gallagher

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references. What's the point of life. I know Gallagher came up like three

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days ago, I think came up
with like Maharty's wedding, and people didn't

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get who Gallagher was, and I
like put it in like he died like

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a year ago. To be fair
to everyone else on earth. I feel

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like our generation should barely know who
Gallagher is. Honestly, I feel like

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Chappelle's show did a big boost for
us. You know, people about Gallagher.

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Yeah, that's probably how I learned
about Gallagher. Honestly. I remember

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the comedies. I'm a few years
older than you. I remember the Comedy

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Central stuff. He had like a
giant love seat or something behind him,

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and like I remember thinking he was
hilarious just because I was a kid and

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it was just prop comedy I think
as he got older, I think he

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ventured into some different interests. Episode
is a classic. He stormed out,

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Oh just Marin like, like's a
lot of stuff. Yeah, I'm trying

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to remember the details, but yeah, he pull on like was he like

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pull on a conspiracy? Like I
don't remember. Yeah, I don't remember.

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But hey, this beatle just musical. Yeah yeah, sorry, whacking

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off. Yeah, it was good. I enjoyed it. It is a

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weird thing. I didn't expect it
because I went in completely blind. For

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like, I don't know how they're
gonna adapt this thing, because like the

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big thing with the movie, if
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guess it's kind of the classic Sounds
of the Lambs thing, or I guess

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Jaws of just like, oh,
Beetlejuice is barely in this Like in your

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mind you think of the cartoons like
Beetle Juice, Wacky Time, but it's

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like whack off Time. I'm sorry, whack off time. It's Beetlejuice here,

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everybody's kid's whack off time. Uh
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in the movie fifteen percent of the
movie, twenty percent of the movie,

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Like it's not that much, and
so it's interesting with the musical. They

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bring him in from the very beginning. He's like watching the family die in

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the beginning, right, and so
he's kind of spreading it through the entire

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film. But they do like a
couple, do you want to review the

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Beatle Juice music. They do like
some smart ideas, like Lydia's mom is

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dead. She's not the Catherine O'Hara
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She's not. So this follows the
movie. This is after the events of

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the movie. No, no,
no, it's like a reimagining of the

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movie and they just make tweaks like
that, but it's it's smart ideas where

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it's like she wants to leave the
house because she's like, I want to

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go back because Beetlejuice and the fact
that ghosts exists means that my mom is

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trapped in my house, so I
want to get out of here. It's

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less her being like I hate my
family. I want to leave this house.

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Wait. So it's like a reverse
Dracula where it's like Dracula has to

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be invited in and Beetlejuice lore you
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Yeah, because remember like that's where
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Well remember the Sandworm, right,
I remember that visual. I don't remember

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what they represent her, what realm
they were. I think it's honestly,

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this is deep cuse I think it's
just like in the script it reveals it.

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It's technically like Titan, the Moon
of Saturn. I think that like

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if they open the door, it's
like a wild planet. Yeah. I'm

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a big Paul McCartney fan. Wait
is that where okay? Because I had

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like recurring nightmare of I don't know, and I don't know why it preached

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me out so much of like stepping
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but they are like big moons.
Celestial objects are in the sky fucking huge,

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and it's like that like oh that
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You're thinking of the dream from Final
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I have seen that a lot.
I remember every saying that I don't know

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if there's like planets in the sky, maybe maybe Saturn's up there. It

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could be, but that's where the
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they do. Like the musical,
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is edgier than I thought because I
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oh, they're swearing a lot throughout
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I loved it. They got me
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song, yeah, I think it's
the first song. It's like big Beetlejuice

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intro and he's like, hey,
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Everybody, this is different than the
movie is. Basically he's a little Deadpool

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less Becau's breaking this forthea. But
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a couple of minutes into the first
song, you know, and the

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whole song is Hey, everybody,
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entire show, we're talking about death. If you'ren't comfortable with that, get

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used to it. It's death.
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just leans out to the crowd.
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any of you die tonight, we're
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the audience that I did just like
screaming at an audience like what if you

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might die? And we don't care. It's cool. You know you mentioned

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Deadpool. Were you surprised as well
that David Letterman knew who Deadpool was,

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you know, I mean he's on
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he's got to like, what does
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Do I need to explain this?
No? But like where the last

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movie The Specters would come in and
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name of a movie been on the
Late Show for almost a decade. Why

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would he need to know any of
that? Now? Deadpool one was twenty

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sixteen. He was off there by
then, right, Yeah, But he

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was a big fan of the leaked
Fox footage for the test, like Snyder

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cut, guy that hard to release
it. You guys, can you imagine

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anything David Letterman would give less shit
about than the Snyder cut? Got?

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Just the pure derision he would have
for that. If Letterman had like a

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Patreon and all it was was,
say fifty bucks a month from you,

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Dan, and all it was is
you could just see what Dave was watching

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on a daily basis, you'd basically
see his TI vo or whatever. The

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hell. I don't know if I'd
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does a lot. I think he
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he goes to his ranch in Montana
or Idaho and rides horses around. He

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goes, what was he talking about? He went to like Greenland with his

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family friends and the Tommy Bahama or
whatever his kid's friend's name was. That

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we're referencing the Strikeforce five podcast that
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on, So there's recent Letterman talks. He's he is so not public that

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I know he's got a YouTube channel, but like anytime, it's like a

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transmission from Dave now and he's still
so good. You're usually the one who

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tells me about like, oh,
here's this Neil Brennan podcast, here's you

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know, the Strikeforce five thing.
Did you did you see that weird video

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that he released? What it was
with ive or it was like he was

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working like Illinois or something. Yeah, Illinois is like a Hi visa Midwest

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grocery Yeah yeah, yeah maybe laughter
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of the grocery store and then well
before that, he goes over the intercom

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and I think it's like he goes
everybody Parsley's free today? Was it partially

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was something like that? Actually watched
the video Parsley's free today. Everybody,

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free Parsley for everybody. No one's
buying it, and so he's like scanning

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people through the checkout line. He's
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way, there's free partially. Are
you interested in that? She's like,

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I'm good, it's literally free's like
I know, it's like the old Taco

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Bell stuff he would do when he
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Did you see he showed up for
some NBA thing and it was Kevin Durant

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and he was in the crowd and
he was like, hello, Dave from

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the Indiana Indianapolis Gazette. So yeah, Katie, you know why why do

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people call you that? And he's
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he's just have you not seen this? This was from like a year ago,

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and he asked like several questions that
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I saw so many people on like
Twitter who didn't know who he was,

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like, who's this old idiot or
even knew who he was? Kill We've

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David let him show up an NBA
thing? Do not I know who Kevin

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Durant is? And yeah, I
do you wanna do you want to do

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more? I'm surprised frankly that you
haven't done more of that, like real

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that you haven't done that, done
more of that whole real world thing.

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Dan, What do you mean?
Uh? You know your equivalent of going

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out and you're gonna work at a
grocery store for a day and record it

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for Bomb or some beener of street
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reference for the people. I I
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like man on the Street type things. You never really have done too much

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of it? Well we that game
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For those that are just joining me
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Uh, and now we're like neighbors. Ish U is it neighbors?

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If it's like is there a limit
like ten minutes away? We we did

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show floor tours. I feel like
that was a similar vibe, like me

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and Cork or me and Tim going
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just kind of random people out on
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of like you know, how to
with John Wilson style, you know,

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I honestly I don't. There were
things I think I do very well and

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there are things I think I suck
at and even like here in this context,

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and you would be the best person
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As much as you listen to podcasts
and host your own is I'm extremely

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comfortable reacting to things like being in
the like Andy Richter se or Ed McMahon,

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where it's like I can just kind
of go out there people will throw

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things at me, or I'll see
a game happening and I'll have something to

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riff on or whatever. But hosting
it's so because I've avoided it, like

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the plague the entire time I've been
in the podcasts. So it's like it's

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this here. I remember when we
would have like Nicky Glazer on Giant Bomb.

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me to host that. But like
I never wanted to host the BombCast or

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the Beast Cast or fire Escape like
cause I don't I don't know if I'm

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just a bad conversationalist or what is
because like I don't know, like how

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do you do you always have something
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talking, am I supposed to like
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if the conversation goes somewhere else,
we're sppos to be able to follow it

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up with something like I'm supposed to
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socially in conversation. I do just
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that. I think the challenge is
it's tough to host something if the main

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thrust is how do windows work?
You know? Okay, it's at the

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main threat of this podcast. No, but you know, you know your

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sticks? Whoa it's a well you
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but then that's a good. That's
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That's not a lead guitarist type of
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think as a host, though,
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terms of like having to keep the
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tracks, because like I show like
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I feel like if the conversation ends. I have to be the one like

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if we stop talking, I have
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This is an epiphany with the hell
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I've avoided it because I don't know
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how to have something else to say. It seems hard like okay, okay,

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here's here's okay. The honest answer
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too, and I've been doing it
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if you're not that smart or good
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radio fellas, you just have notes. I just have notes. I do

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that thousand things, Like I It
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doing a podcast without notes of having
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late night Giant Bomb shows and I
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do those interviews, Yeah, and
he would go in with no notes and

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impress with like couches full of six
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another. And now Grub's doing it
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that requires like two parts of your
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percent of my brain is up in
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it's like with that much ticking up, it's like I'll never forget. I

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think you were the one filming it. You must have been Randy Pitchford.

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the site and it's got to be
the worst interview of all time. I

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remember watching it being like, oh
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I was, I would think I
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I've written down ten questions and all

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I'm thinking about is like I just
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not have like not me visibly panicky. You know, Yeah, I really

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love doing interviews, and I've done
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get over that hurdle. I think
of just it stresses me out when I

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watch other people interview anybody, not
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stuff, and you can see,
you can see that all they're thinking about

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good rule of thumb of like,
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for the interview and all that stuff
and then get rid of the bottom half

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that you don't want and just remind
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question, like what did you mean
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a translator for a Japanese interview.
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little bit wonky. So giving them
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said, this is this kind of
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no, it's like this, and
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thing is. Plus, it just
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in my life, but like even
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is like they're going down a list
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that, like Colbert talking about like
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really give you much, you know, they're not telling that. They kept

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bringing up Robert de Niro. Yeah, and Colbert said like, oh yeah,

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you know, normally you'll have like
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to ask them, and then someone
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get we got Robert de Niro for
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sure, I'll watch a de Niro
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like, oh, this DeNiro interview, like you know, it just it

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takes a real big name to really
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arena, so the idea of like, well, look he sucks as an

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interviewee, but it's Robert de Niro, like that is just it's a fool's

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his shows, he would have Bill
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Bill Murray, especially at the time
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of the biggest stars in the world
and especially in comedy, and also would

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come with like a bit, he
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doing a bit by the time he
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like like Norm was I think the
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our talk show guest of all time, but he wasn't like he was kind

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of niche like he wasn't pulling a
numbers the way like you know, Bill

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Murray was in the ratings, which, by the way, I'm sure you've

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noticed this too, because you and
I have like I don't want to stick

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with that thought host, but can
I raise my host hand? Yeah,

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yeah, yeah, A couple of
people listening to this. Where's Mike and

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Mary say, I'm learning from the
best here. Well, I think we

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said it last week Mike got married. Uh me, Now I'm confused.

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All Oh my goodness. No,
we were all there. We're all in

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the wedding party. Jake was the
best man. Mary was in the wedding

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party. I officiated. We were
in New York City. Uh, the

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gaze of the Statue of Liberty right
at I texted texted my dad because Mike

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described the venue as like, oh, you know, it's uh they say

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about this place. It's where the
Statue of Liberty as she looks back across

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the water towards France. That's you
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knowing he would hate that. And

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he goes like, oh, my
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That's that's all right, man.
He listens to the show, right,

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you want to see that. I
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it's no. I don't think he
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I think everything's kind of a to
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they tell you that he dropped off
his no, but I could tell because

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there was a point where he was
he was frequently referencing it and uh,

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and then it kind of stopped.
So here, okay, father, if

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you're I don't know why I'm looking
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He doesn't know what a patreon is. It'll give my virus. All right.

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Here's the code phrase that you can
text me if you're listening to this

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episode. It's uh, his coconut
gun can fire and spurts. Okay,

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if you text me that, I
know he's listening. All right, and

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we welcome all jokes about coconut guns
and spurts. You can go to me

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coconut a picture of a coconut.
I want Mike and Mary to share the

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full wedding story and stuff. But
uh, is there an MVP of the

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wedding for you? Give me one
one little tidbit. Uh. Probably a

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Mike and his uh, his his
wife. I don't know if you said

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her name on here, So said
Mike and the man. They're the VIPs.

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What a school they were. They
were all very lovely. I was

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very nervous about the speech, but
then we did like a wedding party bar

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night the night before, and I
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at the bachelor party stuff, and
I was like, ah, this is

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a good crew. I'll be I'll
be okay. Yeah. How many jokes

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were in the speech? I would
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two parts where I knew it was
like pause for laughter, you know.

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I had like two of those.
I would say, yeah, you feel

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good about it? Yeah. I
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I was trying to do that,
you know, that that line of

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like Okay, I want to have
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but like you don't want to be
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of this is how I done it
to my sisters. I had Thames and

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everything, so did it the same
way. Yeah, And once they came

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up, and as soon as I
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right, I can tell like the
body, like the heart rate, the

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breath of the big kind of red
alert stuff wasn't really happening. I was

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like, I got this, and
I think I like killed it better than

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I did during any of my like
run through myself. So yeah, I

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forgot about it. The best thing
in the world is I gave a best

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man's speech at my friend Rory's wedding, and another friend told me maybe they

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were lying just to make me feel
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the bathroom afterwards, and there's some
old timer at the urinal and I guess

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he was talking to some other guy
and alys like, boy, that was

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the best best man speech I've ever
heard in my life. So old timer

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said that, like just he was
just talking. Yeah, and this my

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friend overheard him and then relate that
to me. Oh so it wasn't even

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like to you, it was just
like yeah, yeah, goodness, that's

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ittle sip of the cap. It's
fun to do it. It is really

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fun and to have a little like
how often do you just sit down and

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focus on other than the writers out
there? You know, but sit down,

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just focus like all right, I'm
just gonna write a little speech and

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I'm going to try and make it
fun and heart felt. Like I don't

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know, I don't really write that
often for like, this is a mission

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that I want to just hone this
script, you know, like that process.

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I don't really do that much in
my life. I always found the

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way I write like those speeches and
also what are you looking for? He

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was looking for something looking at the
swarm of millipeds calling up. I look

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worried about that. Now. I
was looking for a comfortable place to put

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my feet. But thank you,
that's a good host to make sure my

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feet are cozy. That's right.
I find that the way I've always written

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is just very fast and not a
lot of thought in like, not in

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a bad way, not like I'm
not thinking about this, It's like I

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always care. But like every game
review I ever wrote, every cover story

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I ever wrote, Like whenever we
would go to these cover story trips for

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Game Informer, Yeah, it drove
me. It has always driven me nets

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to have anything on a to do
list, you know, like that that

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it'dsay, Oh, once I get
back, i'll do this whatever. So

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I think every cover story I wrote, I did, like in the hotel

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or finishing up on the flight home. Because if you ever had do you

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ever have a cover story, You're
like, I think that's well written or

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is just gona like this is functional
getting out the door, It's good.

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I took pride in my writing.
I did, like, what do you

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think was the best one? I
don't remember the contents of any of them.

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I remember my first one was saying
for three and so we were on

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that trip together, and I remember
you just started Yeah. Yeah. That

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was my third trip, yeah,
fourth maybe yeah, yeah. We drove

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in one of the few ones we
drove down, you and me and me

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and Cork played a GameCube with a
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the two. Yes, yes,
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a little more. I mean,
I don't mean to say that I didn't

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put care into any writing. It's
just that I always wrote very very fast

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after doing so much of it that
I could always just write and put it

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out there, and like it was
never sloppy when I turned it in.

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There was never like a ton of
like you know, Joe wouldn't have to

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like cover the page of the red
or anything like that. But I do

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remember Saints being like, all right, this is my first cover story.

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I want to do more of these. I want to get promoted, and

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I want all this stuff. So
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of thought. And I mean it's
sitting over there, I haven't read it

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whatever, but there's no way that's
interesting, isn't oh good, okay,

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all right, yeah, well Dan's
gonna go find his issue. It's handy

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that it's just right off camera.
It's really no, that's that's super impressive.

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Love it. Let's see the volition
trip oh writing. I was gonna

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say, yeah, like it's kind
of a similar thing where every year now

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for like seven years running, for
Thanksgiving, we do a thing where we

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00:22:47.799 --> 00:22:52.480
write jokes about the gaming industry.
And so it started as like Jeff Cork

406
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and Jeff Marchiafava and I and then
eventually Leo Vader is brought in. So

407
00:22:56.240 --> 00:22:57.240
at mid Max we're gonna be doing
it. So like throughout the year,

408
00:22:57.279 --> 00:23:02.119
I'm writing little jokes as if it's
like you know, late show monologue I

409
00:23:02.359 --> 00:23:03.480
clips of this. Yeah, but
that's like, you know, as somebody

410
00:23:03.480 --> 00:23:07.079
who writes very rarely other than Patreon
posts and tweets and nonsense like that,

411
00:23:07.240 --> 00:23:10.720
Like it is fun just to have
like, oh, constantly refining these jokes.

412
00:23:10.839 --> 00:23:12.160
I mean they're all like four out
of ten jokes. But just how

413
00:23:12.240 --> 00:23:15.640
often do you write like a late
night style joke? You know, I've

414
00:23:15.799 --> 00:23:18.680
never I've even been like a joke
guy, you know, I noticed I

415
00:23:18.720 --> 00:23:21.920
think I can be funny, but
I've never like written or told jokes for

416
00:23:21.920 --> 00:23:23.839
e sure, sure, real quick. I laughed because if you had to

417
00:23:23.920 --> 00:23:29.079
guess the headline of Andy McNamara's letter
from the Editor for this month, which

418
00:23:29.200 --> 00:23:32.960
is what yours is, issue two
sixteen, I guess we didn't put that.

419
00:23:33.000 --> 00:23:36.680
I'm guessing this was like April twenty
ten or something. No, it

420
00:23:36.680 --> 00:23:42.559
would have been early twenty eleven.
Okay, let's see uh Nintendo's next gen

421
00:23:42.680 --> 00:23:49.079
Blunder question mark attending my own funeral. The weird thing is every letter from

422
00:23:49.079 --> 00:23:52.359
the editor was about his He thought
it was his will and testament. No

423
00:23:52.400 --> 00:23:55.839
one told him that it's a different
thing. Let's say, I'll just read

424
00:23:55.880 --> 00:23:59.559
the last paragraph of Andy's thing.
I don't think Triple A super releases are

425
00:23:59.599 --> 00:24:02.599
going away anytime soon. But remember, there are a lot more moms spending

426
00:24:02.599 --> 00:24:07.039
their afternoon playing whatever ville game they
love instead of watching Oprah. Then there

427
00:24:07.079 --> 00:24:10.319
are core gamers buying the next big
thing. If you want the core games

428
00:24:10.359 --> 00:24:12.720
to keep coming, show the industry
you care by throwing a sport behind elite

429
00:24:12.759 --> 00:24:18.559
blockbusters and not just first person shooters. I know some couldn't live without them.

430
00:24:18.000 --> 00:24:21.400
Some of the dicecisions make me feel
like I was attending my own funeral.

431
00:24:21.599 --> 00:24:23.440
Okay, I mean it's interesting kind
of time and play stuff because that

432
00:24:23.519 --> 00:24:26.599
was before you know, Next Gen
came around, and there was a lot

433
00:24:26.680 --> 00:24:30.960
of fear. I mean that generation
in particularly going into like are people just

434
00:24:30.039 --> 00:24:34.400
going to be into their you know, social games, Facebook games, Farmville

435
00:24:34.440 --> 00:24:37.920
and Stuff's gonna be playing iPhone games
and no one's gonna be playing Triple A

436
00:24:38.000 --> 00:24:41.440
games. Then that generation piece four
Xbox or PS four such a juggernaut that

437
00:24:41.559 --> 00:24:44.839
was like, all right, we're
good. Yeah, I remember developers talking

438
00:24:44.839 --> 00:24:47.119
about that a lot. Yeah,
all right, I'll read a sidebar that

439
00:24:47.240 --> 00:24:49.119
I did here, Okay for the
final one. Yeah, yeah, Drawing

440
00:24:49.200 --> 00:24:53.880
the line was the subhead of the
Okay, with so many brazenly juvenile opportunities,

441
00:24:53.920 --> 00:24:56.319
where does the team draw the line
of decency? In Saints Row the

442
00:24:56.359 --> 00:25:00.839
third quote, it's like defining porn. I can't define it, but I

443
00:25:00.920 --> 00:25:02.960
know it when I see it.
Isn't that like a famous like a judge

444
00:25:03.079 --> 00:25:06.160
said that or something once? Like? Yeah, says senior producer Greg Donovan.

445
00:25:06.440 --> 00:25:08.200
Not every crazy weapon idea that gets
thrown out at meetings ends up being

446
00:25:08.319 --> 00:25:11.359
used with some ideas, we're like, that's not over the top, even

447
00:25:11.440 --> 00:25:15.039
we know that's distasteful, to the
point where I don't even want to tell

448
00:25:15.079 --> 00:25:19.319
you what the ideas were. Put
it that way. Oh after prying by

449
00:25:19.400 --> 00:25:25.480
me, eh, that's me,
Volition revealed one rejected idea, the fart

450
00:25:25.559 --> 00:25:29.079
and a jar. As the name
implies, this weapon would consist of a

451
00:25:29.160 --> 00:25:33.160
concentrated blast of flatulence contained within a
glass jar. After throwing it at a

452
00:25:33.200 --> 00:25:36.240
group of enemies, they become so
nauseating and disgusted that they'd vomit all over

453
00:25:36.279 --> 00:25:38.359
the place rather than engaging you in
combat. Some members of the team loved

454
00:25:38.359 --> 00:25:41.759
the idea, but others weren't so
keen on a flying fart bomb, and

455
00:25:41.880 --> 00:25:47.640
the idea was scrapped until I pride
with my journalism and they fucking put it

456
00:25:47.720 --> 00:25:49.680
in. How does that make you
feel? Honestly, I don't think I

457
00:25:49.720 --> 00:25:52.759
have a lot of direct contributions to
like a thing that was seen in a

458
00:25:52.839 --> 00:25:57.200
video game, and I think that's
appropriate. And I like the fact that,

459
00:25:57.519 --> 00:26:00.519
yes, the fart and the jar, that's you. Thank me for

460
00:26:00.599 --> 00:26:03.720
that, and please do please demand
yes let me. Also, that was

461
00:26:03.720 --> 00:26:08.599
a weird trip because I remember we
were out for breakfast, and then you

462
00:26:08.680 --> 00:26:11.400
know, the big thing one of
the things that we kept talking about is

463
00:26:11.440 --> 00:26:14.960
in sanstor three, you can like
just go up and punch pedestrians and the

464
00:26:15.079 --> 00:26:17.599
nuts on the street. Yeah.
Yeah, it's like R three or L

465
00:26:17.680 --> 00:26:18.440
three or something like that. Yeah. And so I remember being out at

466
00:26:18.440 --> 00:26:22.880
breakfast with t HQ and and folks
and bringing up like, oh, I

467
00:26:22.920 --> 00:26:23.839
mean, that's that's all you need
to show, like to set the tone

468
00:26:23.880 --> 00:26:26.920
of your game, like that is
that is it? That's like people are

469
00:26:26.920 --> 00:26:30.559
hooked if they just see that.
Uh. And then that turned into because

470
00:26:30.599 --> 00:26:33.119
of that conversation with that breakfast,
that turned into the revealed trailer for Sans

471
00:26:33.160 --> 00:26:36.519
for of the third. Do you
remember where it's like a big build up

472
00:26:36.599 --> 00:26:41.480
of like Volition dh CO presents It's
a huge music build up the punch the

473
00:26:41.559 --> 00:26:45.359
nuts and stands for the third And
it was like that was the biggest impact

474
00:26:45.400 --> 00:26:48.680
I feel like I've ever had I
know of. I'm sure it is on

475
00:26:48.839 --> 00:26:52.519
like a game or game marketing is
like, oh that Literally the way the

476
00:26:52.559 --> 00:26:56.680
game was revealed was spun out of
that conversation that we had over breakfast.

477
00:26:56.720 --> 00:27:00.799
That was that was weird. You
should get royalties from Saints Row. Yeah,

478
00:27:00.160 --> 00:27:03.119
they really should. They're in a
good spot, right, they are

479
00:27:03.200 --> 00:27:07.160
just straight up shut down, right
Volicia. Yeah yeah, I got holes

480
00:27:07.200 --> 00:27:08.319
too. That's not even a thing
anymore. Yeah, okay, Jesus,

481
00:27:10.000 --> 00:27:12.000
okay, what do you think the
game over is in this issue? Do

482
00:27:12.000 --> 00:27:15.759
you explain what the game over is? Yes, it's the last page.

483
00:27:15.880 --> 00:27:17.920
So it's basically just like, oh, it's a fun little thing. It's

484
00:27:17.920 --> 00:27:21.640
a trivia things. It's always just
a little light thing. Oh Jesus,

485
00:27:21.799 --> 00:27:23.359
okay, I just looked at it. All right, let's see. This

486
00:27:23.559 --> 00:27:27.599
is before Portal two came out.
Maybe it's hyping up for Portal two,

487
00:27:27.640 --> 00:27:32.559
so it's gonna be like our favorite
portals and games or something. Nope,

488
00:27:33.039 --> 00:27:37.559
it's things you didn't know about Randy
Pittsford Number one hit, Well, come

489
00:27:37.599 --> 00:27:40.480
on, what do you got?
What do you got? Number one was

490
00:27:40.920 --> 00:27:44.440
early career moves? Oh? Did
you know he was a magician? Weird?

491
00:27:44.519 --> 00:27:47.119
Did you know he worked at the
Magic Castle in Hollywood? That wallflower?

492
00:27:48.799 --> 00:27:49.960
You know the Duke Nukem Forever story
with me and Andy? Right,

493
00:27:51.119 --> 00:27:52.039
you went to the hotel and played
it. Okay, he just watched us

494
00:27:52.079 --> 00:27:55.640
the entire time. Yeah, yeah, to be fair, I heard you

495
00:27:55.680 --> 00:27:59.960
tell that story somewhere recently about that. My memory of it was you played

496
00:28:00.440 --> 00:28:03.640
like the first half of the game
or something pretty sure bladed to complete.

497
00:28:03.799 --> 00:28:06.480
I remember elseod you coming back and
You're like, yeah, it was fun.

498
00:28:06.799 --> 00:28:07.759
But now I feel like your virgion
of the story is like it was

499
00:28:07.799 --> 00:28:10.640
so weird. He was looking at
me the whole time, but it was

500
00:28:10.680 --> 00:28:12.200
more like casual. Him and Andy
were shooting the shit and you were just

501
00:28:12.200 --> 00:28:15.319
playing it off. It wasn't like
eight hours of white knuckling it. It

502
00:28:15.440 --> 00:28:19.680
was just that constant pressure for like
that game is constantly shotgun blasting attempts at

503
00:28:19.720 --> 00:28:22.079
humor at you, right, And
like I wasn't like the whole time just

504
00:28:22.119 --> 00:28:25.119
like hating the game. It was
like it's a fucking Duke Nukem game,

505
00:28:25.119 --> 00:28:26.480
Like what do you expect? You
know, But like it's just the fact

506
00:28:26.519 --> 00:28:30.440
that one of the guys associated with
the game is watching. Anytime someone's watching

507
00:28:30.519 --> 00:28:33.079
you and trying to see if you're
gonna laugh at something, I feel like

508
00:28:33.240 --> 00:28:36.440
you can't just have a genuine reaction
to it, you know. So it

509
00:28:36.519 --> 00:28:38.519
was just like six to eight hours. It's like, Okay, did I

510
00:28:38.599 --> 00:28:41.160
laugh enough of that? Did I? You know? Yeah? And then

511
00:28:41.200 --> 00:28:44.640
he taught you how to ride a
segue? He didn't, he did,

512
00:28:45.079 --> 00:28:48.079
uh, generous, that was a
different We worked with him a decent amount.

513
00:28:48.359 --> 00:28:52.039
Yeah, well border Wliams two.
Were you on the Bloodborne trip?

514
00:28:52.319 --> 00:28:53.720
Not Bloodborne? What's their thing?
Battle Borne? Yea, you were on

515
00:28:53.759 --> 00:28:56.920
the battle Born. No, that
was the last one when I was leaving.

516
00:28:57.599 --> 00:29:00.960
That was the next issue that was
being Oh interesting that in summer twenty

517
00:29:02.000 --> 00:29:04.119
fourteen. Yeah, I went back
for battle Born, which was interesting in

518
00:29:04.160 --> 00:29:07.920
a bunch of different ways. But
yeah, so it was the Borderlinees two

519
00:29:07.960 --> 00:29:10.119
trip I think where he was teaching
to write the segue. Yeah, yes,

520
00:29:10.240 --> 00:29:12.119
yeah, sus and Marcia Faba out
of the the We've been on a

521
00:29:12.160 --> 00:29:15.279
bunch of trips together work wise and
everything. But the way people brought up

522
00:29:15.759 --> 00:29:18.279
oh is it imron? I think
first part up like by the way you

523
00:29:18.400 --> 00:29:22.039
guys you game in former Weirdos,
you say the phrase cover story trip like

524
00:29:22.160 --> 00:29:26.440
it's a common parlance. It is
a weird combination. I cover story trip,

525
00:29:26.480 --> 00:29:29.400
cover story. I got some ship
for that when I first went to

526
00:29:29.480 --> 00:29:30.279
Giant Bomb, and I would say
that all the time. I, Oh,

527
00:29:30.359 --> 00:29:33.240
yeah, we're on the cover story
trip for Infamous or whatever people.

528
00:29:33.680 --> 00:29:37.640
Is it okay? Yes? So
yes, ever the idea every month I

529
00:29:37.720 --> 00:29:40.119
do a cover story and we fly
out of the studio ben to the video

530
00:29:40.160 --> 00:29:42.240
stuff. I wrote that thing,
uh or in you know, the medical

531
00:29:42.359 --> 00:29:48.720
trip did all the work out of
all the was there Tim your drunk button

532
00:29:48.720 --> 00:29:51.400
around Japan? It was on the
way out and I knew it and I

533
00:29:52.000 --> 00:29:55.160
enjoyed that. So h out of
the ones we went on work wise,

534
00:29:55.440 --> 00:29:57.319
did you have a favorite one?
I went on? I went on eighty

535
00:29:57.440 --> 00:30:00.799
dance. You gotta help me remember
which ones you were on. That's probably

536
00:30:00.799 --> 00:30:03.839
easier to try and narrow it down. I mean a lot of Saints row

537
00:30:03.079 --> 00:30:06.519
did you put no I was the
video guy in bullet Storm? Yeah,

538
00:30:08.759 --> 00:30:14.160
yeah, they're all there. Yeah, Infamous second Son because they put me

539
00:30:14.240 --> 00:30:17.079
in Reeves in it, right,
But then Reeves wasn't in the game,

540
00:30:17.119 --> 00:30:18.720
but you well, there was an
attempt to get both of us taken out

541
00:30:18.720 --> 00:30:25.400
of the game, but I was
still in there. Take that Lawyer's Infamous

542
00:30:26.240 --> 00:30:30.559
Saints. I feel like I wrote
like six or seven oh advanced warfare that.

543
00:30:30.799 --> 00:30:33.839
Yeah, we always always just thinking
about that Advanced Warfare trip of the

544
00:30:33.920 --> 00:30:37.039
day because I still have the coin. Do you remember this? It's where

545
00:30:37.119 --> 00:30:41.960
do you say that? Uh,
I'll tell you off camera something like that.

546
00:30:41.200 --> 00:30:44.200
This is great for the listeners now, I just remember. It was

547
00:30:44.240 --> 00:30:47.200
like a big moment of like Sledgehammer
and Michael Condrey over there, the co

548
00:30:47.279 --> 00:30:48.960
founder of Sledgehammer, he like brought
us into the office and he's like,

549
00:30:49.039 --> 00:30:52.720
hey, we have a Sledgehammer Coin
of Excellence and we give it to employees

550
00:30:52.720 --> 00:30:56.799
who are really going above and beyond. And I really want to thank you

551
00:30:56.880 --> 00:30:59.000
all. I think you three just
had such a great job on this trip.

552
00:30:59.039 --> 00:31:00.119
I think you deserve this coin.
It was just, you know,

553
00:31:00.240 --> 00:31:03.839
it's a lot of kissing press ass
during these trips and stuff like that,

554
00:31:03.880 --> 00:31:07.079
which is always brutally uncomfortable. Yeah, but that was the time. We're

555
00:31:07.119 --> 00:31:10.480
like, look, we were in
your studio for a day and a half

556
00:31:10.480 --> 00:31:11.599
and we filmed a couple of interviews
with you talking about vin Space. He's

557
00:31:11.640 --> 00:31:17.039
not like the way you asked those
questions Dan about the gunplay. You diserve

558
00:31:17.759 --> 00:31:21.319
mobility. You deserve this coin more
than some developer crunching for four years.

559
00:31:21.440 --> 00:31:26.200
Like Okay, this feels terrible.
Do you think on those trips, like

560
00:31:26.240 --> 00:31:27.519
because there was so much wining and
dining and all that stuff when we were

561
00:31:27.599 --> 00:31:30.880
just like you know, twenty five, twenty six, Like now I feel

562
00:31:30.880 --> 00:31:33.599
like it's it's painfully obvious that you
know it. We were an extension of

563
00:31:33.640 --> 00:31:37.240
the marketing absolutely. I mean what, yeah, yeah, we know.

564
00:31:37.440 --> 00:31:41.200
I think yeah, I would think. I mean, did you know that

565
00:31:41.240 --> 00:31:42.559
when you started, when we were
doing these cover story trips that we just

566
00:31:42.640 --> 00:31:47.000
clearly it doesn't take long to figure
out, like, Okay, here is

567
00:31:47.079 --> 00:31:49.160
PR's mission, Here is our mission. Where do we meet in the middle?

568
00:31:49.200 --> 00:31:52.680
Where can we push to try and
get more interesting content? And they're

569
00:31:52.720 --> 00:31:55.720
going to try and water everything down
as much as they can to be like

570
00:31:55.759 --> 00:31:59.240
Okay, we're lining you up with
this developer, but please focus on this

571
00:31:59.319 --> 00:32:00.599
topic. And it's like, okay, well we're gonna look at the developers

572
00:32:00.599 --> 00:32:02.880
pass and see else they've worked on
and try to ask some more interesting,

573
00:32:02.920 --> 00:32:07.079
broader questions like i'd always I got
better and better at it throughout the nine

574
00:32:07.119 --> 00:32:07.720
years I was there, but like
you know, always trying to think of

575
00:32:07.839 --> 00:32:13.240
like what hopefully these videos can live
on a little bit and be interesting and

576
00:32:13.319 --> 00:32:15.839
it's not just a matter of like
all right, we put it up there,

577
00:32:15.880 --> 00:32:17.799
and then Neo gaff It gets the
highlights of like, oh, here's

578
00:32:17.799 --> 00:32:21.519
the new details about the game,
and it's just like spoiled milk, you

579
00:32:21.559 --> 00:32:22.960
know, once the game comes out, it's like, Okay, if we

580
00:32:22.960 --> 00:32:24.720
can do something a little smarter,
a little bit bigger, hopefully, ideally

581
00:32:24.799 --> 00:32:30.160
these videos will have some insight into
the development process. You were ambitious about

582
00:32:30.160 --> 00:32:32.200
that from day one, because I
do remember that Saints trip. I remember,

583
00:32:32.319 --> 00:32:35.759
you know, like if you did
you know, six videos about like

584
00:32:35.880 --> 00:32:37.839
oh you know, here's the factions
in Saints Row the Third or whatever.

585
00:32:38.160 --> 00:32:40.680
Yeah, you know that's going to
come and go and not be super evergreen,

586
00:32:40.799 --> 00:32:44.160
right, but like I remember on
that you went super out of your

587
00:32:44.200 --> 00:32:46.920
way to make that whole like hour
plus long history of Volition documentary. Yeah,

588
00:32:46.920 --> 00:32:51.319
and like going deep and like talking
about Summoner and the game. They

589
00:32:51.359 --> 00:32:54.000
give us footage for like several canceled
games and it commercials with like like Will

590
00:32:54.039 --> 00:32:59.119
Smith playing dissent and stuff. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it was funny

591
00:32:59.160 --> 00:33:00.200
because it's like, man, why
being so open with all this stuff?

592
00:33:00.240 --> 00:33:02.440
And we read a bunch of folks, But the main reason was, like

593
00:33:02.480 --> 00:33:07.400
Mike Kulas, who was the president
of Volition. He was retiring. He

594
00:33:07.440 --> 00:33:09.680
eventually went back to Volos, which
is weird, but he was retiring so

595
00:33:09.759 --> 00:33:12.640
he was like in a really nostalgic
mood. So he's like, yeah,

596
00:33:12.640 --> 00:33:17.319
I'll happily unpack everything. Let's talk
about not the Underground was the name of

597
00:33:17.359 --> 00:33:20.799
it, where you're like You're a
London thief. Was a game that Volition

598
00:33:20.960 --> 00:33:22.400
was working on on PS two that
they give us a bunch of footage.

599
00:33:22.440 --> 00:33:25.440
Oh, it never came out.
And then there was like Tube Racer.

600
00:33:25.559 --> 00:33:29.559
There was some racing game also on
PS two they were making that was that

601
00:33:29.640 --> 00:33:30.920
was funky, but listen was really
cool. Like even on their own YouTube

602
00:33:30.960 --> 00:33:34.920
channel they upload a bunch of footage
of them playing a sansreal game for the

603
00:33:35.000 --> 00:33:37.880
PSP that they came out. Yeah, I loved how open they were.

604
00:33:39.079 --> 00:33:45.279
I do have the cover story looks
here, so it probably okay. Borderlanes

605
00:33:45.319 --> 00:33:50.000
two and I no I was did
I write or did jeffam I was on

606
00:33:50.119 --> 00:33:52.720
that trip. Yeah, going on
the trip. I think I wrote the

607
00:33:52.759 --> 00:33:54.559
borderlines too. I could be wrong. Sure, South Barks took a truth

608
00:33:54.599 --> 00:33:59.000
of course. It was a whole
journey Yep, it's just fun to look

609
00:33:59.000 --> 00:34:00.799
at the covers. I mean,
this is exactly my sweet spot of stupid

610
00:34:00.799 --> 00:34:04.920
nostalgis. So I apologizesverybody looking at
covers and being like, just remembering the

611
00:34:05.279 --> 00:34:07.759
editors that I traveled across the world
with, for it was always you.

612
00:34:07.880 --> 00:34:09.639
You went on every one of them, right, Eventually Mojaic went on some,

613
00:34:10.000 --> 00:34:13.159
Jason went on a few, A
Striker went on a few. I

614
00:34:13.199 --> 00:34:15.480
don't think Jason went on any.
He never went on any cover story trips,

615
00:34:15.480 --> 00:34:17.480
I don't think so. I think
Wade was the first, and then

616
00:34:17.559 --> 00:34:20.960
Leo went on a couple. Okay, yeah, Jason was very posted like

617
00:34:21.000 --> 00:34:23.239
studio, Yeah, replay and test
Chamber and all that stuff. Yeah,

618
00:34:23.480 --> 00:34:27.800
well we got to Devil's Cartel,
Army of Two, right of course.

619
00:34:27.880 --> 00:34:30.119
Yeah this is jumping ahead a little
bit. But of course Fuse. Oh

620
00:34:30.280 --> 00:34:34.320
yeah, Jesus going to Insomniac.
But wasn't that one of the ones where

621
00:34:34.320 --> 00:34:36.639
we had like four different covers though, or did we just straight up to

622
00:34:36.679 --> 00:34:38.679
a Fuse cover? It's I remember
thinking it didn't it wasn't a real cover

623
00:34:38.800 --> 00:34:42.920
story. Yeah it was. Well, this was the thing that you do,

624
00:34:43.039 --> 00:34:44.800
right, if it's like Okay,
we have this opportunity for this game,

625
00:34:44.840 --> 00:34:46.159
but it's I don't know if it's
really there's already a lot of info

626
00:34:46.280 --> 00:34:51.000
about it out there type of thing. So yeah, this was technically five

627
00:34:51.199 --> 00:34:54.320
under the radar games worth watching,
starring Fuse from Insomniac, a game which

628
00:34:54.320 --> 00:34:57.840
I bought not too long ago on
three sixty. You know, like,

629
00:34:57.880 --> 00:34:59.679
I do want to do a co
op stream of it at sometime, I

630
00:34:59.679 --> 00:35:01.400
think be fun. I had to
do co op for the review because I

631
00:35:01.480 --> 00:35:05.079
reviewed that. Yeah, and I
remember just sitting in the meeting room playing

632
00:35:05.119 --> 00:35:08.239
that and it's our ideas there.
But anyway, yeah, yeah, second

633
00:35:08.280 --> 00:35:12.840
son for Infamous, that whole thing, but I would know you that was

634
00:35:13.079 --> 00:35:14.840
for you. That was before my
time too. Yeah, and then a

635
00:35:14.920 --> 00:35:17.239
bunch of Call of Duties. We
did Ghosts, We did Ghosts, we

636
00:35:17.360 --> 00:35:22.079
did Advance Warfare. Yeah, my
like a solid five. Yeah. Yeah.

637
00:35:22.280 --> 00:35:25.440
I wrote the Fortnite one that was
twenty fourteen. Yeah, that was.

638
00:35:25.519 --> 00:35:28.599
I think about that one a lot
because that that was a really wild

639
00:35:28.840 --> 00:35:30.880
like what we saw and what it
became. And we played like a weird

640
00:35:30.920 --> 00:35:34.760
capture the Flag mode that wasn't in
the game with the Unicorn. It was

641
00:35:34.800 --> 00:35:37.280
like a protect the unicorn, like
build a ford around it. Yeah.

642
00:35:37.360 --> 00:35:40.079
Yeah, it was a weird time
for weird time for sure, free to

643
00:35:40.119 --> 00:35:43.519
play game on the cover of Game
Informer, you know it's yeah, it

644
00:35:43.559 --> 00:35:45.639
was kind of a nice I remember
Andrews really proud of that. It is

645
00:35:45.719 --> 00:35:47.199
nice to like, you know,
just proof that like GameStop isn't choosing these

646
00:35:47.239 --> 00:35:51.280
covers, like why would GameStop allow
that after freaking choosing these things? And

647
00:35:51.519 --> 00:35:53.440
that was always the fight of the
public perception of like you know which I

648
00:35:53.519 --> 00:35:57.679
mean, look, we've both been
very open about our thoughts on GameStop is

649
00:35:57.679 --> 00:36:00.360
a company and all that stuff,
and yeah, that was never, thankfully

650
00:36:00.360 --> 00:36:01.000
a thing I had to deal with. Sounds like heart the end, you

651
00:36:01.079 --> 00:36:05.559
had to deal with them a lot
more or or there was a presence that

652
00:36:05.760 --> 00:36:07.639
that I never even felt the presence
of a game Stop person. I've said,

653
00:36:07.639 --> 00:36:10.199
people who like improved my expenses.
I didn't know anyone there, Like

654
00:36:10.280 --> 00:36:15.000
yeah, I feel like by the
end there was like doomsday situations going on,

655
00:36:15.239 --> 00:36:16.199
and like, yeah, I mean
the two months I stayed there after

656
00:36:16.239 --> 00:36:19.679
the layoffs, then I was like, yeah, this is a little more

657
00:36:19.920 --> 00:36:21.880
I'm in present, but it's just
because you know, we have meetings with

658
00:36:21.960 --> 00:36:23.079
him and stuff, and who knows
what they're doing now, you know who's

659
00:36:23.119 --> 00:36:27.280
the current CEO, like Vina the
Ferbye or something. What's his ran Cohen?

660
00:36:27.880 --> 00:36:31.079
Yeah? He chewy. Yeah,
dog food is his business and playing

661
00:36:31.159 --> 00:36:36.280
games is his business. Uh yeah, I just go ahead and I don't

662
00:36:36.280 --> 00:36:37.800
know what he's up to now,
but if you just want to cruise his

663
00:36:37.960 --> 00:36:40.480
Twitter account, you'll get a good
flavor for this. It's it's just a

664
00:36:40.519 --> 00:36:44.400
lot of elon musk want to be
like okay, tweet out the Wikipedia article

665
00:36:44.480 --> 00:36:46.280
for sixty nine. Its like,
okay, cool CEO, love it,

666
00:36:46.400 --> 00:36:50.960
thank you. Okay. I had
some in this room a week or two

667
00:36:51.000 --> 00:36:53.159
ago. I had three dudes that
work in finance. It was like an

668
00:36:53.199 --> 00:36:58.119
old friend from Kansas from college who
went into like investing and stuff like that,

669
00:36:58.239 --> 00:37:00.320
and investing friends had seen him in
a decade, and he said he

670
00:37:00.360 --> 00:37:04.159
was gonna be in Minneapolis. So
we went to brewery, came back here

671
00:37:04.639 --> 00:37:07.199
and just like it's one of those
things where none of these guys played video

672
00:37:07.239 --> 00:37:08.440
games, none of them no wrestling, so like I have nothing to talk

673
00:37:08.480 --> 00:37:10.840
about, you know. So it's
like it was they were all very nice,

674
00:37:12.000 --> 00:37:15.440
but like they I was just asking
questions about financing and investing and stuff,

675
00:37:15.519 --> 00:37:19.320
and Dan then yeah and me.
Then when the conversation slowed down,

676
00:37:19.360 --> 00:37:21.480
were you thinking I'm gonna have to
ask something else? Was there are no

677
00:37:21.559 --> 00:37:24.840
microphones? It was fine, but
I think they were they were trying to

678
00:37:24.840 --> 00:37:29.320
connect with me and the obvious game
stuff, and they started asking about the

679
00:37:29.320 --> 00:37:31.039
game stop stock and things like that. But then Ryan Cohen came up,

680
00:37:31.559 --> 00:37:36.559
and they there was like an air
of reverence from these folks about it.

681
00:37:37.239 --> 00:37:40.119
Well, he's a genius. He'd
made GameStop stock go skyrocketing. Do you

682
00:37:40.880 --> 00:37:44.079
I do like that? Again?
I don't. I couldn't point this guy

683
00:37:44.119 --> 00:37:47.280
out in a police lineup. How
muchly you'll have to someday, Oh my

684
00:37:47.360 --> 00:37:52.079
goodness. Uh. In general,
how much do you think is how many

685
00:37:52.159 --> 00:37:57.119
of them the billionaire millionaire super finance
dudents or whatever. How much how many

686
00:37:57.119 --> 00:38:00.960
of them do you think are due
to them being actually except good or smart

687
00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:04.519
at things interesting? And how many
are just they knew the right people or

688
00:38:05.440 --> 00:38:07.679
time, or got a golden parachute
or yeah we're saying game stop people,

689
00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:10.440
No, I mean we could do
that, or just in general, in

690
00:38:10.599 --> 00:38:16.840
general people in millionaire, billionaire,
very rich people like Richard Branson. Yeah,

691
00:38:16.880 --> 00:38:20.000
it sounds like he has some good
ideas. He seems like as first

692
00:38:20.000 --> 00:38:22.480
the billionaires go sober. I don't. I don't know a lot about him,

693
00:38:22.519 --> 00:38:23.239
but any of the it seems like
a guy that likes going to space

694
00:38:23.280 --> 00:38:27.440
and serving and ship. Yeah yeah, imagining him on a boat with his

695
00:38:27.519 --> 00:38:30.559
shirt off. Yeah. I feel
like the general vibe around billionaires is negative.

696
00:38:31.000 --> 00:38:35.440
Yeah. Yeah, But in terms
of billionaires I think Richard Branson are

697
00:38:35.480 --> 00:38:37.440
the other ones I can think of. He seems all right. I don't.

698
00:38:37.880 --> 00:38:40.639
I don't think he's all right.
I don't even one of every billionaire

699
00:38:40.719 --> 00:38:43.199
is per eval. I think there's
a case he can make for it.

700
00:38:43.280 --> 00:38:46.280
I think it's interesting, interesting discussion
point. So I don't want to defend

701
00:38:46.400 --> 00:38:51.119
any of them, really, but
uh, okay, how many deserve the

702
00:38:51.199 --> 00:38:54.039
money? Is that a weird way
to put in exceptionally good at what they

703
00:38:54.119 --> 00:38:58.159
do or exceptionally smart, Like it's
like, okay, this makes sense that

704
00:38:58.280 --> 00:39:01.360
person should be like a super millionaire, a billionaire. Mmm, like do

705
00:39:01.400 --> 00:39:06.800
you think over fifty percent? No, over twenty five percent, fifteen percent,

706
00:39:07.199 --> 00:39:10.119
fifteen I always think of like Kurt
Vonagutt had a had a bit talking

707
00:39:10.159 --> 00:39:14.119
about just kind of wealth and family
wealth and all that stuff. And I

708
00:39:14.159 --> 00:39:16.239
remember, I'm gonna put it much
less politically than he put it, but

709
00:39:16.320 --> 00:39:20.960
he's like, oh, just certain
families find the money river and then this's

710
00:39:20.960 --> 00:39:23.679
been the rest of their lives,
not telling anybody where the money river is.

711
00:39:24.000 --> 00:39:27.039
And it was just like a nice
analogyes, like Okay, we have

712
00:39:27.239 --> 00:39:29.599
endless stream of money and now we'll
just hoard it in this family and it'll

713
00:39:29.599 --> 00:39:31.199
be the end of it. I
heard someone while I was in New York

714
00:39:31.440 --> 00:39:34.960
say the phrase, and I don't
know if they were kidding, and I

715
00:39:35.079 --> 00:39:37.000
kind of think they weren't. They
said that they something about their family and

716
00:39:37.079 --> 00:39:39.840
where their family worked, where their
parents worked or whatever. And this person

717
00:39:39.960 --> 00:39:45.320
joked, my family hasn't worked since
the nineteen twenties, and I thought,

718
00:39:45.400 --> 00:39:47.599
like, God, I bet that's
a I bet that happens where It's like

719
00:39:47.599 --> 00:39:51.000
if you were just like some dude
who found a bunch of oil and the

720
00:39:51.119 --> 00:39:52.840
Deadwood times or whatever, it's just
like, all right, we don't the

721
00:39:52.920 --> 00:39:59.320
only way that's acceptful if if tack
two, the only way dan that's acceptable,

722
00:39:59.760 --> 00:40:01.000
is it if it was Lady Liberty
saying that to you. Oh my

723
00:40:01.119 --> 00:40:05.360
goodness, Oh my goodness, Yes, what is that ass hat's name?

724
00:40:07.519 --> 00:40:13.480
Who come on? Millionaires? What
realm of gamesome on? That ass elon

725
00:40:13.559 --> 00:40:19.400
musk clothes? What Sam Bankman Freed? Oh that. I go to the

726
00:40:19.440 --> 00:40:22.599
birds pretty frequently and I love every
day. This week it's been like a

727
00:40:22.639 --> 00:40:27.320
different headline of like, ah,
here's Sam Bankman Freed's girlfriend and she says

728
00:40:27.400 --> 00:40:30.360
he sucks. And oh, here's
his best friend and he says that this

729
00:40:30.440 --> 00:40:32.000
guy sucks. I don't even know
what. They live, some finance crypto

730
00:40:32.119 --> 00:40:35.880
thing or whatever, some scam,
and it's just like literally ever's been like

731
00:40:35.920 --> 00:40:38.480
yeah, this dude's always fucking sucked. Yeah. Yeah, well I'm here

732
00:40:38.519 --> 00:40:44.239
to defend them. He's a good
friend to you. That's he's a great

733
00:40:44.320 --> 00:40:46.679
magician. Uh no, yeah.
I feel like I was kind of in

734
00:40:46.719 --> 00:40:50.119
the same camp, like, oh, I know he opened some crypto thing

735
00:40:50.119 --> 00:40:52.000
and then it all was a bust. Yeah yeah, YadA. But Michael

736
00:40:52.079 --> 00:40:58.239
Lewis, who wrote a bunch of
books, you know, Moneyball, like

737
00:40:58.360 --> 00:41:01.639
the Big Short Guy. Yeah,
okay, I think so pretty sure,

738
00:41:01.800 --> 00:41:07.559
buch of smart books. Sure that
make great movies, Oh uh, Blindside,

739
00:41:07.559 --> 00:41:10.599
stuff like that. But he had
he wrote a new book that was

740
00:41:10.639 --> 00:41:15.119
all about that bankman freed. In
my fam bankman Freed sounds right, We're

741
00:41:15.159 --> 00:41:20.079
just gonna say it, and if
it's not right and crazy hair wild Man,

742
00:41:20.280 --> 00:41:22.719
yeah yeah, and so but it
was. There's like a thirty minute,

743
00:41:22.840 --> 00:41:27.199
sixty minutes piece about they shouldn't be
able to do that. What's it?

744
00:41:27.400 --> 00:41:30.000
Thirty minutes, sixty minutes. It
is weird to say, yeah,

745
00:41:30.079 --> 00:41:31.840
you're right. I don't even know
why I watched it anyways, videos with

746
00:41:31.880 --> 00:41:36.639
Michaelwis talking about writing a book about
this guy and what a fascinating saga was,

747
00:41:37.360 --> 00:41:37.679
and I was like, I don't
know if I want to watch it,

748
00:41:37.679 --> 00:41:39.760
and I'm so glad I did because
it's it's up your rally. I

749
00:41:39.760 --> 00:41:42.960
think you should watch this because michae
Lewis is like, yeah, I went

750
00:41:43.480 --> 00:41:46.039
for a long walk with this kid
right at the start of his whole journey,

751
00:41:46.039 --> 00:41:49.239
and he's like, here's my vision. You know, he's a socially

752
00:41:49.280 --> 00:41:52.559
awkward guy, and he's like,
I just want to make billions of dollars

753
00:41:52.719 --> 00:41:54.239
and then give it all away just
to help with a bunch of people like

754
00:41:54.559 --> 00:41:58.559
it's pure said that Philanthrope. Yeah, yeah, that was the idea.

755
00:41:59.400 --> 00:42:02.159
And so this was like as he
was starting to rise in the ranks,

756
00:42:02.199 --> 00:42:05.079
and so michae Lewis, he's just, you know the way he tells us

757
00:42:05.079 --> 00:42:06.880
stories. He's like, well,
I'm going to be by your side writing

758
00:42:06.920 --> 00:42:08.679
a book, and if I can
just be there along for this entire journey,

759
00:42:08.679 --> 00:42:10.039
I want to be there. And
he's like, yeah, absolutely,

760
00:42:10.320 --> 00:42:15.559
So Michael Lewis was just there for
this entire saga of this guy going from

761
00:42:15.639 --> 00:42:19.079
like you know, he was working
at some investment firm in New York and

762
00:42:19.119 --> 00:42:22.159
then started this whole crypto thing YadA, YadA, YadA, but I forget

763
00:42:22.280 --> 00:42:27.239
the exact number is ridiculous. It
was like within three months he went from

764
00:42:27.840 --> 00:42:34.800
like a normal salary to having twenty
two billion dollars geez. And he didn't

765
00:42:34.800 --> 00:42:36.880
come from money or anything. He
was just like, sure, there's a

766
00:42:36.880 --> 00:42:38.760
little bit of money river stuff happening
there in the investments seen in New York

767
00:42:38.760 --> 00:42:43.320
for a little bit or whatever.
And so like it's interesting just hearing him

768
00:42:43.360 --> 00:42:45.840
talk about Michael Lowis talk about interviewing
him about just like how many people come

769
00:42:45.840 --> 00:42:49.559
out of the Woodwork that would just
want to hang out with you all the

770
00:42:49.679 --> 00:42:52.239
time, Like all the celebrities that
are just like, hey, we've always

771
00:42:52.239 --> 00:42:54.079
been best Bud me and Tom Brady. Tom Brady is actually interested in my

772
00:42:54.239 --> 00:42:58.400
ideas all this stuff. And then
when you know, after they put the

773
00:42:58.519 --> 00:43:01.920
name on the stadium and a bunch
of stuff in the entire crypto bank collapses

774
00:43:02.159 --> 00:43:05.960
or exchange is really better way to
put it right, and then just how

775
00:43:06.159 --> 00:43:07.199
all the contact dried up. Everyone's
Oh, I've always hate them. I

776
00:43:07.239 --> 00:43:09.079
never wanted anything to do with them, you know, But it's fascinating just

777
00:43:09.159 --> 00:43:15.599
to see an outsider's perspective on seeing
this kid who can't really manage social relationships

778
00:43:15.880 --> 00:43:20.840
very well trying to deal with being
twenty two billion dollars richer overnight and what

779
00:43:20.960 --> 00:43:22.199
that does to you. It's a
fascinating little saga. I mean, I

780
00:43:22.320 --> 00:43:25.199
feel like that's such a common thing
whenever you hear about anyone that reaches the

781
00:43:25.280 --> 00:43:28.760
level of like superstardom, Like I
think, like you know, Eminem,

782
00:43:28.880 --> 00:43:31.079
Britney Spears, Axel Rose, Michael
Jackson, people that just kind of surround

783
00:43:31.119 --> 00:43:34.400
themselves with hangers on, and like
that's why like a lot of people that

784
00:43:34.480 --> 00:43:37.199
make it big try to like stick
with a close circle of people they grew

785
00:43:37.280 --> 00:43:39.119
up with and things like that,
because like that that's or if you win

786
00:43:39.199 --> 00:43:42.239
the lottery, you know, how
many people from high school are going to

787
00:43:42.239 --> 00:43:44.400
be like reaching out to you and
being like, oh hey, let's catch

788
00:43:44.480 --> 00:43:47.960
up and then they're gonna mortgage or
whatever. It was an interesting thing I

789
00:43:49.199 --> 00:43:52.000
ortgage or whatever. We have painto
off stuff. I remember somebody saying it

790
00:43:52.079 --> 00:43:58.079
once that, like it is amazing
when you're in games media that all these

791
00:43:58.239 --> 00:44:01.000
PR people and marketing people and everything
that you email with you see at a

792
00:44:01.039 --> 00:44:04.760
million events every year. You know, you travel Like when whenever we did

793
00:44:04.800 --> 00:44:06.719
these cover story trips or whatever,
like you know, would be all the

794
00:44:06.719 --> 00:44:09.039
cover story trips, you know,
the cover story trips. It would be

795
00:44:09.119 --> 00:44:12.480
like the creative directors and and you
know, like all the leads of the

796
00:44:12.519 --> 00:44:15.480
game and the PR people. You
get to know these people well. And

797
00:44:15.719 --> 00:44:19.079
I've heard people refer to like oh
yeah, just just wait. You know,

798
00:44:19.119 --> 00:44:21.400
they're they're your best friends when they
got a game to pitch or they're

799
00:44:21.400 --> 00:44:22.840
trying to get a cover story or
something. But then like the second you

800
00:44:22.960 --> 00:44:27.639
leave the industry, how much they're
just like you'll never talk to them,

801
00:44:27.679 --> 00:44:29.760
but like, I mean, of
course you want they're doing their job.

802
00:44:29.800 --> 00:44:31.079
Well, they're pros. Yeah,
yeah, that's the thing is like that

803
00:44:31.159 --> 00:44:34.599
if there shouldn't be a relation,
really read it out, you know.

804
00:44:34.639 --> 00:44:37.119
And this is a dangerous thing to
say. I'm kind of weirded out by

805
00:44:37.159 --> 00:44:40.480
friends in the game industry, to
be honest, like I media or like,

806
00:44:40.679 --> 00:44:44.760
yeah, I think everything. It
just kind of makes my skin crawl

807
00:44:44.760 --> 00:44:46.320
a little bit of just like I
don't know how real any of this is.

808
00:44:46.519 --> 00:44:50.639
It's kind of my vibe for a
lot of this stuff, and especially

809
00:44:50.679 --> 00:44:53.039
like developers like to be fair,
I love the game industry. I think

810
00:44:53.039 --> 00:44:55.639
there's a ton of super nice people, and I'm always on the lookout for

811
00:44:55.679 --> 00:44:58.320
like, all right, this person
seems genuine. I like that, you

812
00:44:58.400 --> 00:45:00.440
know, everybody else it's dead to
me, no, But I just always

813
00:45:00.559 --> 00:45:05.320
just feel like there's some gross exchange
stuff and it's probably from years of game

814
00:45:05.360 --> 00:45:07.360
before. We're being with pr people
like I, look, we can get

815
00:45:07.400 --> 00:45:10.719
along well on these trips and stuff
and work with you well and stuff like

816
00:45:10.800 --> 00:45:15.519
that, but like we're not we're
not best butts here there's obviously a bigger

817
00:45:15.639 --> 00:45:19.519
picture happening, and I'm not naive
about it. So I think I'm just

818
00:45:19.559 --> 00:45:22.760
too cynical and skeptical. So even
like going to game industry events, I'm

819
00:45:22.760 --> 00:45:24.519
always just like, I don't know
what this is. There's some clique stuff,

820
00:45:24.559 --> 00:45:28.000
and there are definitely the people,
like in any industry that are like

821
00:45:28.159 --> 00:45:30.079
you feel like, okay, are
you are you just trying to be part

822
00:45:30.119 --> 00:45:34.679
of like a circle of games media
people or for any kind of like jockeying

823
00:45:34.840 --> 00:45:37.440
for that clique stuff driving nuts?
I hate it does. I hate the

824
00:45:37.480 --> 00:45:39.079
clickie stuff. But like, at
the same time, I think about when

825
00:45:39.199 --> 00:45:42.000
I I mean, this is part
of the reason that I have so many

826
00:45:42.159 --> 00:45:45.719
incredible associations with with Minnesota. Here
is like when I moved out here,

827
00:45:45.320 --> 00:45:47.920
I was very social at that point. I'd gone through college and kind of

828
00:45:47.920 --> 00:45:52.159
found myself socially and you know,
started really hanging out with a lot of

829
00:45:52.159 --> 00:45:55.400
people, but I was still always
like the guy who did the game reviews

830
00:45:55.440 --> 00:45:59.000
in college, and I never really
had anyone that I could talk to about

831
00:45:59.000 --> 00:46:00.760
games and the level that I like
to or wanted two. And so when

832
00:46:00.800 --> 00:46:05.480
I came here, I know it
was all games media friends and coworker friends

833
00:46:05.519 --> 00:46:07.599
and stuff like that. And I
know there are some people that like bok

834
00:46:07.639 --> 00:46:09.320
at the idea of like, you
know, work feeling like a family,

835
00:46:09.400 --> 00:46:12.239
or a staff feeling like a family
or whatever. But like, well,

836
00:46:12.559 --> 00:46:15.199
Game Informer was so especially at that
time. You know, I started with

837
00:46:15.280 --> 00:46:19.480
oh nine, you were like twenty
ten, twenty eleven, So yeah,

838
00:46:19.480 --> 00:46:22.639
I got hired with Tim and Annette
and jeffam and you know, it's like,

839
00:46:22.239 --> 00:46:23.679
you know, I mean, Jeff, I were just saying, he's

840
00:46:23.679 --> 00:46:27.079
actually playing games in the in the
studio right now, Jeff, come on,

841
00:46:27.239 --> 00:46:30.559
Jeff them and he's drunk. So
it's just one of those things where

842
00:46:30.559 --> 00:46:35.320
it's like suddenly I was surrounded every
day, like I moved to a city.

843
00:46:35.400 --> 00:46:37.400
I don't know anything about it.
I've lived in Kamas my entire life.

844
00:46:37.440 --> 00:46:40.119
I move here. Suddenly I'm in
an awesome office every day with all

845
00:46:40.159 --> 00:46:44.480
the things I love surrounding me all
over the place. I just got hired

846
00:46:44.559 --> 00:46:46.639
with four other people that were my
age that are their first big job in

847
00:46:46.679 --> 00:46:50.519
the industry, and all these other
people that like have all these amazing old

848
00:46:50.599 --> 00:46:52.719
stories from the nineties and the Golden
Age magazine, Like there was just so

849
00:46:52.920 --> 00:46:57.800
much. It was so fascinating to
me that like no part of that game

850
00:46:57.880 --> 00:47:05.639
informer experience socially was remotely like Oh, it's it's a schmoozy media career type

851
00:47:05.719 --> 00:47:08.079
thing, you know, like that
type of thing. Well, no,

852
00:47:08.119 --> 00:47:10.039
which speaks to the fact that like, you know, look how close to

853
00:47:10.039 --> 00:47:13.920
me and you are, Tim,
and you know all these people like hell

854
00:47:13.960 --> 00:47:16.280
Gison burning in at this weekend.
Oh are you oh, accidently you're going

855
00:47:16.320 --> 00:47:19.639
out of Seattle, right, Yeah. Yeah. Anytime I get a chance

856
00:47:19.639 --> 00:47:21.480
to hang out with any of these
people, it's like no times past at

857
00:47:21.480 --> 00:47:24.440
all. Like that crew was so
so close, and like I don't think

858
00:47:24.440 --> 00:47:29.800
there was an ounce of disingenuousness about
that, you know. Yeah, And

859
00:47:29.840 --> 00:47:31.280
what do you think that is?
You think it's just the remote nature of

860
00:47:31.440 --> 00:47:35.400
like in Minnesota, we all got
kind of a band together that helped I

861
00:47:35.440 --> 00:47:37.519
see a lot more of the clique
stuff when I was in San Francisco.

862
00:47:37.719 --> 00:47:40.880
Yeah, yeah, I think something
about Minnesota is just special too, and

863
00:47:40.920 --> 00:47:44.760
that there is like kind of an
earnestness and just like I don't know,

864
00:47:44.800 --> 00:47:47.719
we're just out in the Midwest here, that remoteness. Yeah, maybe,

865
00:47:49.400 --> 00:47:51.760
like I can't cause like I went
out to San Francisco, and I was

866
00:47:51.760 --> 00:47:52.559
still the same person. I was
still a very you know, want to

867
00:47:52.639 --> 00:47:55.679
be social, going out doing stuff
person, but like, I don't know,

868
00:47:55.679 --> 00:47:58.760
a lot of the stuff just kind
of did feel a little like,

869
00:47:59.400 --> 00:48:02.519
yeah, looking like there's more drama
out there. Drama. There's just like

870
00:48:02.639 --> 00:48:07.079
a lot of like people dating with
other people and like, oh that this

871
00:48:07.159 --> 00:48:08.639
person from the site dated this person
from this site, and now they can't

872
00:48:08.639 --> 00:48:10.519
be at the same thing. Like, I don't know, that was that

873
00:48:10.679 --> 00:48:14.880
was one thing I never did where
It's like I always was fine with games

874
00:48:14.960 --> 00:48:17.119
media friends. I never got super
duper close with a lot of PR people

875
00:48:17.159 --> 00:48:20.719
or anything, but like, I
never dated within the industry, and I

876
00:48:20.800 --> 00:48:23.480
feel like a lot of people we
were coming up with, like in our

877
00:48:23.519 --> 00:48:28.000
twenties and stuff, were constantly dating
within the industry, and that led to

878
00:48:28.159 --> 00:48:31.480
so much weird shit. And did
that, I don't know result in any

879
00:48:31.599 --> 00:48:36.480
catastrophic moments on the internet around twenty
fourteen. I can't quite recall. Oh

880
00:48:36.519 --> 00:48:39.360
a few, think of a few, Yeah, yeah, shocking. Yeah,

881
00:48:39.599 --> 00:48:44.440
it's it's messy. Yeah that seems
I'm so glad running through my head.

882
00:48:44.519 --> 00:48:46.760
Yeah, I'm so glad I didn't
date anybody in the industry that that

883
00:48:46.800 --> 00:48:51.360
would be just that that whole feeling
of like, what is this just kind

884
00:48:51.360 --> 00:48:52.679
of brought home to roost, I
guess. But there's a lot of happy

885
00:48:52.719 --> 00:48:55.239
couples from the game industry and more
power to it, you know, absolute

886
00:48:55.920 --> 00:48:58.280
Yeah, But I think, you
know, in terms of kind of that

887
00:48:58.320 --> 00:49:00.480
cleckiness and stuff, I think maybe
what it is is like a game a

888
00:49:00.559 --> 00:49:05.639
former I never wanted to be cool. It didn't feel like there was an

889
00:49:05.719 --> 00:49:07.880
inshrowd and a crowd. I don't
think I've ever wanted to be cool in

890
00:49:07.920 --> 00:49:14.280
my life. I've never like strived
strove drived sounds right, freed, I

891
00:49:14.360 --> 00:49:19.000
think strived. Yeah, I've never
like, it's never been a mission to

892
00:49:19.079 --> 00:49:21.280
like I need to be cool,
I need to be change my fashion in

893
00:49:21.360 --> 00:49:22.920
high school to be cool or whatever. And I feel like, and again,

894
00:49:23.000 --> 00:49:25.440
this is a lot of just me
in my own head too much,

895
00:49:25.480 --> 00:49:29.159
but a lot of like game industry
events and stuff like that. I do

896
00:49:29.320 --> 00:49:32.440
have that feeling of just like it
feels like there's a cool table and it

897
00:49:32.440 --> 00:49:36.199
feels a little high school and it's
not anybody's faults. I don't think it's

898
00:49:36.239 --> 00:49:40.960
just naturally you get socially competitive or
worried. I just I don't like it.

899
00:49:42.320 --> 00:49:44.400
I don't care for it. Yeah, that's a good point of like

900
00:49:44.639 --> 00:49:47.000
the being cool thing. I I
don't I never felt that. I never

901
00:49:47.079 --> 00:49:50.800
wanted to be cool. I did
have the ego thing, wanting to be

902
00:49:50.920 --> 00:49:53.519
followed, and like, I mean, like I think that was maybe happen.

903
00:49:53.719 --> 00:50:00.559
Wow I burped, I was,
and I think that was at the

904
00:50:00.639 --> 00:50:04.880
time half just pure just ego,
like, oh, look, people are

905
00:50:04.960 --> 00:50:07.440
listening to my dumb stuff and I
can you know what they're making people laugh

906
00:50:07.559 --> 00:50:10.079
or just look at me stuff,
and then half uh, career stuff.

907
00:50:10.599 --> 00:50:14.320
You know. It's like it's because
that's how I got to be friends with

908
00:50:14.639 --> 00:50:16.519
Navarro and Ryan Davis and Gerseman and
stuff, and that's it led to so

909
00:50:16.760 --> 00:50:22.599
much and so like, so I
don't really regret any of that. I

910
00:50:22.760 --> 00:50:25.639
think. Boy, watching that clip
Alex Van Aikeen posted it, the burping

911
00:50:25.679 --> 00:50:29.440
and farting one with Cuba, Oh
yeah, yeah, game for a video.

912
00:50:29.559 --> 00:50:30.239
Yeah, seeing some of that was
kind of like, oh man,

913
00:50:30.280 --> 00:50:34.000
I was just really going all out
with that stuff at that point, having

914
00:50:34.079 --> 00:50:38.480
a blast. I was. I
hope I was not too abrasive. I

915
00:50:38.599 --> 00:50:43.000
mean it was Yeah, a natural
amount of abrasiveness. Right, Yeah,

916
00:50:43.000 --> 00:50:45.440
I'm still friends with you, okay, But it was just like, you

917
00:50:45.519 --> 00:50:47.519
know, if you were working in
an office and somebody came over and farted

918
00:50:47.559 --> 00:50:50.719
in your coffee cup, I'm sure
you have a moment of like, you

919
00:50:50.760 --> 00:50:54.000
know, I wish this wasn't my
coworker. From being honest, I wasn't

920
00:50:54.039 --> 00:50:58.400
going up to the layout people and
farting in their car. I'm not.

921
00:50:58.760 --> 00:51:00.760
I'm also not trying. I wonder
why you're not friends with Curtis. I

922
00:51:00.800 --> 00:51:06.079
mean, there is like Curtis Curtis's
voice of been Angel. That's true.

923
00:51:06.599 --> 00:51:08.760
That's true. So how you feel
about the move to Minnesota? Oh my

924
00:51:08.880 --> 00:51:15.119
god, it's just the best,
oh best, Oh my god. No,

925
00:51:15.280 --> 00:51:19.559
it's like it's one of the best
decisions I've I've ever made. It's

926
00:51:19.599 --> 00:51:22.400
amazing talking to Bunk about it,
because you know, she that was part

927
00:51:22.440 --> 00:51:24.880
of the worry was that she didn't
have the same association. I was here

928
00:51:25.000 --> 00:51:28.679
for five years and so much of
my social circles here, and I love

929
00:51:28.760 --> 00:51:31.119
this area so much. And she
has been here and we've hung out at

930
00:51:31.119 --> 00:51:34.599
the lake House and stuff a lot, and she knows all of these friends,

931
00:51:34.679 --> 00:51:37.519
but like not to the same like
degree, and so I was like,

932
00:51:37.559 --> 00:51:38.639
oh, I just hope she loves
it as much as I do.

933
00:51:39.199 --> 00:51:43.079
And yes, it's been a little
over two months now, and holy shit,

934
00:51:43.280 --> 00:51:45.559
it's two months. Moved into August, yeah, mid August. Yeah

935
00:51:45.639 --> 00:51:49.599
yeah, I mean we were in
the middle of things and came out here

936
00:51:49.639 --> 00:51:51.880
and like June to look for houses
and stuff like that. But yeah,

937
00:51:52.400 --> 00:51:54.800
no, I can't say enough about
it. I just it's a genuine life

938
00:51:54.920 --> 00:52:00.519
changer. It's just like I'm happier. I feel like physically, like since

939
00:52:00.519 --> 00:52:02.960
I moved out here, I've lost
like thirty pounds. I fucking I feel

940
00:52:04.079 --> 00:52:06.440
less anxious. I mean I still
have that. I'm like, I'm never

941
00:52:06.440 --> 00:52:08.239
gonna be the anxiety's cured guy.
That doesn't really work that way, but

942
00:52:08.519 --> 00:52:13.880
like I noticeably, I mean think
about like three hours or three hour three

943
00:52:13.960 --> 00:52:16.920
years during the pandemic of being in
Connecticut. Yeah, didn't know anyone out

944
00:52:16.960 --> 00:52:20.239
there. Yeah, a lot of
that is like hard a pandemic, Like

945
00:52:20.320 --> 00:52:23.519
I'm just producing wrestling podcasts with no
creativity in my fucking closet. But then

946
00:52:23.559 --> 00:52:25.280
again, that led to you kind
of booming on Twitch, right, I

947
00:52:25.320 --> 00:52:29.000
mean that was kind of social That's
the thing. I don't regret anything.

948
00:52:29.159 --> 00:52:31.079
It was all like I learned so
much during that period, but I like,

949
00:52:31.239 --> 00:52:34.480
I learned so much, and I
learned a lot of stuff that I

950
00:52:34.519 --> 00:52:37.239
still utilized today quite a bit.
I would have no idea how to fucking

951
00:52:37.239 --> 00:52:40.199
set this up or record this before
the pandemic or anything, but it did

952
00:52:40.280 --> 00:52:45.599
come at the cost of my anxiety. Definitely got worse during that period physically,

953
00:52:45.280 --> 00:52:47.960
not just putting on the weight,
but also just like a lot of

954
00:52:49.000 --> 00:52:51.840
issues in my back and neck and
everything flared up quite a bit. I

955
00:52:52.039 --> 00:52:55.280
was just like your back, your
neck and so forth. Yes, and

956
00:52:57.199 --> 00:53:00.360
I it was just a very noticeable
like, oh shit, I need a

957
00:53:00.440 --> 00:53:05.880
change here, and yeah, like
right after moving here. It's just it's

958
00:53:05.960 --> 00:53:08.239
much easier to be healthy here,
both in terms of like obviously all the

959
00:53:08.320 --> 00:53:12.199
nature and trails. And we went
on like almost fifty mile bike ride a

960
00:53:12.239 --> 00:53:14.960
couple of weeks ago. You call
it a ride, what do you call

961
00:53:15.039 --> 00:53:17.519
it? Its front of you,
oh stopping. It's like, hey,

962
00:53:17.719 --> 00:53:21.880
my heart rates above ninety, I
can't like anymore, not about nineties.

963
00:53:21.880 --> 00:53:25.800
Above ninety is fine. I was
fucking I had fucking heat exhaustion a week

964
00:53:25.920 --> 00:53:29.920
prior to that, because I was
several weeks and you would start to go

965
00:53:29.960 --> 00:53:30.920
for a bike round it was ninety
seven degrees. I did go in a

966
00:53:30.960 --> 00:53:34.440
four hour bike ride when it was
ninety six degrees. But it's not like

967
00:53:35.119 --> 00:53:37.519
something put a gun to your head. That was like you thinking, this

968
00:53:37.639 --> 00:53:40.559
is the right time to go biking. I that's a frequent thing I do

969
00:53:40.639 --> 00:53:43.880
when I decided it's time to get
healthy again. Like when I reached that

970
00:53:43.960 --> 00:53:45.039
point of like fucking, I gotta
lose weight or I gotta get in a

971
00:53:45.079 --> 00:53:49.199
better place or whatever, I go
too hard, too fast on it.

972
00:53:49.559 --> 00:53:51.840
And that's what I was doing here
where it's like I shouldn't have done a

973
00:53:51.920 --> 00:53:54.800
four hour ride in ninety six degree
heat. Yeah, And so when we

974
00:53:54.920 --> 00:53:59.280
did ours, I was in a
much better place than that, but I

975
00:53:59.400 --> 00:54:02.280
was still like, but I think
the problem was you were like monitoring your

976
00:54:02.320 --> 00:54:05.400
heart rate and you like, if
it goes over this. This is what

977
00:54:05.480 --> 00:54:07.960
it was when it was really bad
and I had heat exhaustion, so I

978
00:54:07.000 --> 00:54:09.960
can't get there. It's like,
yeah, but it's like sixty five degrees

979
00:54:10.119 --> 00:54:14.239
sound like I think it'll be okay. Well no, but I was feeling

980
00:54:14.440 --> 00:54:15.679
like my my vision was getting kind
of the tunnelvision, and like, I'm

981
00:54:15.679 --> 00:54:20.880
all right, yeah, that's what
I felt like. You feel fucked up

982
00:54:20.920 --> 00:54:22.440
when you get it's not just heat
exhaustion. It's just like I think I

983
00:54:22.639 --> 00:54:27.119
was not working out a ton prior
to that. I just started getting back

984
00:54:27.119 --> 00:54:29.679
into the groove a bit, and
then suddenly it's like, Okay, if

985
00:54:30.039 --> 00:54:34.400
I've been walking this bike for two
miles and I'm still over one hundred and

986
00:54:34.519 --> 00:54:37.559
fifty five heart rate, yeah,
that's I even without looking at the watch

987
00:54:37.639 --> 00:54:39.480
or whatever, like you can feel
it. It's like I need to sit

988
00:54:39.519 --> 00:54:42.920
down for a while, or you
were carrying my ass back. So then

989
00:54:42.920 --> 00:54:45.280
we went to there's a bike ride
where we've just been to a cafe and

990
00:54:45.360 --> 00:54:47.440
drank diet pepsi for what felt like
four hours. Well that was mostly you

991
00:54:47.559 --> 00:54:52.400
waiting for the shitter. That guy
went over the door. We saw that

992
00:54:52.559 --> 00:54:54.239
there was a guy in there,
do we I guess we both had used

993
00:54:54.239 --> 00:54:59.039
the women's restaurant and it was lovely. Yeah, this is a very sweet

994
00:54:59.079 --> 00:55:00.800
wagress. After she saw me waiting
to us his bathroom for like ten minutes,

995
00:55:00.840 --> 00:55:04.000
she came by. She's like,
you can use the women's bathroom.

996
00:55:04.000 --> 00:55:06.039
She said, just jump be on
the seat, buddy, Like all right,

997
00:55:06.079 --> 00:55:08.679
I love it, thank you,
I love our bill was like fifteen

998
00:55:08.719 --> 00:55:13.000
dollars or something, and I was
something that brought the receipt and I was

999
00:55:13.000 --> 00:55:14.719
like, oh okay, I just
want to bend on me and you're like

1000
00:55:14.840 --> 00:55:16.159
that was just split it. And
so it's one of those things we have

1001
00:55:16.239 --> 00:55:19.719
to take it up to the front. It's like a fifteen dollars bill or

1002
00:55:19.760 --> 00:55:22.280
something. You hand it to this
like nice old guy behind the counter,

1003
00:55:22.440 --> 00:55:23.119
and he looks at it, it
looks at you. He's like, you

1004
00:55:23.199 --> 00:55:28.719
want to split this? Yeah.
Yeah, it's a good shaming moment from

1005
00:55:28.800 --> 00:55:30.800
good people in Watertown, Minnesota,
like what you idiots doing? Just as

1006
00:55:30.800 --> 00:55:37.079
somebody pick up the tab you cheap
fit. Yeah. But biking conclusion,

1007
00:55:37.119 --> 00:55:39.280
after a couple of months of it's
great biking, Yeah it's great. I

1008
00:55:39.559 --> 00:55:43.719
did a handful of those longer rides. Yeah, you have a mile total.

1009
00:55:44.559 --> 00:55:45.679
I haven't been tracking like that,
which is weird because I'm usually such

1010
00:55:45.679 --> 00:55:50.119
a numbers and stats like that.
Oh really, okay, I could probably

1011
00:55:50.119 --> 00:55:52.320
see it then. Yeah, I
think at this point it's probably kind of

1012
00:55:52.320 --> 00:55:55.519
past the point weatherwise, We're I'm
going to be doing any more this year.

1013
00:55:55.760 --> 00:55:59.800
Yeah, so I'll just you know, I'll peloton on a regular rasis

1014
00:56:00.039 --> 00:56:01.400
and just keep everything ready to go. So I'm I can you know,

1015
00:56:01.559 --> 00:56:07.280
hit the hit the trail running riding, hit the trail running peloton every day.

1016
00:56:07.599 --> 00:56:12.239
I kind of listened to because again, I just feel like I've been

1017
00:56:12.239 --> 00:56:14.880
getting hurt a lot in the last
year or two, so I kind of

1018
00:56:14.880 --> 00:56:16.599
listened to what's going on there.
So it's like if I do a hard

1019
00:56:16.639 --> 00:56:20.239
peloton one day and the next day
I wake up my knees are kind of

1020
00:56:20.360 --> 00:56:22.920
yelling at me, like beyond the
so like soreness is normal, like in

1021
00:56:22.960 --> 00:56:27.239
the quads and all that, but
like if my knees are like joints are

1022
00:56:27.280 --> 00:56:29.960
feeling bad, I'm like, okay, I'm just gonna ice those today and

1023
00:56:30.000 --> 00:56:31.880
maybe go for a nice you know, ten thousand step walker or something like

1024
00:56:31.960 --> 00:56:35.840
that. So I kind of just
gauge it every morning based on how the

1025
00:56:35.880 --> 00:56:37.960
body's feeling. Yeah, yeah,
feeling as you get older, that's probably

1026
00:56:38.000 --> 00:56:40.880
a much more common thing. I
remember it was an old Louis bit.

1027
00:56:42.159 --> 00:56:45.840
I remember when there's one of his
specials that he was like Gandal noted yes,

1028
00:56:45.000 --> 00:56:49.480
yes, yes, acknowledged yes Dandal. But Louis c. K used

1029
00:56:49.480 --> 00:56:52.159
to do stand up comedy. It
was a thing where he was like,

1030
00:56:52.280 --> 00:56:55.280
for he was like thirty nine and
he went to a doctor and his foot

1031
00:56:55.320 --> 00:56:58.880
hurt and the actually like, okay, well just you know, start start

1032
00:56:58.920 --> 00:57:00.760
doing this every day. Okay,
well how long until that fixes it?

1033
00:57:00.800 --> 00:57:04.360
And it's like, no, it's
not gonna that's just something you do now,

1034
00:57:04.440 --> 00:57:06.119
that's not gonna fix it. And
he's like, well, if I

1035
00:57:06.280 --> 00:57:08.159
was like an athlete or something like, you wouldn't just that wouldn't be acceptable.

1036
00:57:08.199 --> 00:57:10.920
Like and he's like, you're not
an athlete, Like you're just I

1037
00:57:10.960 --> 00:57:13.920
think about all of that that you're
not an athlete. It's like, oh

1038
00:57:14.039 --> 00:57:15.960
fuck, I wonder how many of
these things are just gonna be Like I

1039
00:57:15.000 --> 00:57:17.960
guess my neck just gets fucked up
pretty regularly now so till the end of

1040
00:57:19.079 --> 00:57:23.239
time. Lucky. But yeah,
Minnesota, long story short, it's uh,

1041
00:57:23.639 --> 00:57:25.800
I don't think I'm ever fucking moving. I love this house, I

1042
00:57:25.840 --> 00:57:29.920
love this area. I love how
many people are still here, uh,

1043
00:57:30.519 --> 00:57:34.760
you know, or left and came
back several times. Sometimes I'm imagine I

1044
00:57:34.920 --> 00:57:37.679
know my vision is just like you
coming back, and yeah, it's just

1045
00:57:37.800 --> 00:57:40.400
like the the future era of curl
Trigger. Everyone's like dance back, everybody,

1046
00:57:40.599 --> 00:57:45.559
puddle around, get our HBNM Peper
stared. Well, it's fun too,

1047
00:57:45.639 --> 00:57:46.679
because it's like, I don't know, I feel like there were a

1048
00:57:46.679 --> 00:57:50.840
good amount of people that we worked
with that maybe I was just too young

1049
00:57:50.960 --> 00:57:53.239
or immature or whatever to like really
connect with back then. Sure, and

1050
00:57:53.400 --> 00:57:57.079
like now that I'm back, you
know, I've you can just say Jojuba

1051
00:57:57.559 --> 00:58:00.639
Honestly, he's definitely like like him. I've seen Matt Burts a lot.

1052
00:58:00.960 --> 00:58:04.360
I don't know, he wasn't on
a lot of public facing stuff like Helgeson.

1053
00:58:04.400 --> 00:58:08.239
Who they remember Matt Berts from the
replay of Winter Winter Games. I

1054
00:58:08.320 --> 00:58:12.679
recently talked him about that. Yeah, but we've had Helgson over here a

1055
00:58:12.760 --> 00:58:15.320
few weeks ago, and it's just
like all these like oh man, it's

1056
00:58:15.360 --> 00:58:16.679
just so great to like, you
know, reminisce and also catch up and

1057
00:58:16.719 --> 00:58:20.280
see where they're at now. And
a lot of people live like started families

1058
00:58:20.400 --> 00:58:22.239
or families have changed and things like
that, and it's just a everyone is

1059
00:58:22.280 --> 00:58:25.039
still who I remember them being.
But it's like we're all just kind of

1060
00:58:25.079 --> 00:58:30.400
like older and a little like quieter, quieter and more settled than happy.

1061
00:58:30.599 --> 00:58:31.679
I think that across the board.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I got

1062
00:58:31.760 --> 00:58:36.199
the copy with Joe on Thursday.
You getting a dinner with him next week?

1063
00:58:36.320 --> 00:58:38.159
He was talking it up. Oh
yeah, looking forward to it.

1064
00:58:38.280 --> 00:58:43.400
Yeah, he's uh, I feel
like him. Him and Marky Pop were

1065
00:58:43.440 --> 00:58:45.599
two that a lot of trolling was
directing at, directed at, And now

1066
00:58:45.679 --> 00:58:50.719
in hindsight, it does seem that
Joe was largely finding it funny. Marky

1067
00:58:50.760 --> 00:58:52.039
Pav is the one that I feel
like I would have picked up on a

1068
00:58:52.079 --> 00:58:55.519
little more that he was actually annoyed
by me. It's probably Fava thought thirty

1069
00:58:55.559 --> 00:59:00.239
percent of it was funny. Joe
thought fifty per it was funny. That's

1070
00:59:00.280 --> 00:59:02.840
the thing. But you give me
even a little bittime a car, you

1071
00:59:02.880 --> 00:59:06.880
know, like do like a little
like laugh or some funny you know.

1072
00:59:07.079 --> 00:59:10.159
Yeah, it's I got to recalibrate
that stuff. But yeah, well,

1073
00:59:10.159 --> 00:59:13.159
at some point you can come over
to the studio and you and Faba can

1074
00:59:13.800 --> 00:59:17.039
play a Ninja guid in or something
for midnight video. I didn't punch me

1075
00:59:17.079 --> 00:59:19.840
in the face, but yeah,
I would love to. I would love

1076
00:59:19.840 --> 00:59:22.840
to see Papa again. That'd be
great. Yeah, what else is going

1077
00:59:22.880 --> 00:59:25.920
on? Uh? Well we do. At a certain point we transition to

1078
00:59:27.039 --> 00:59:28.840
video game talk. Do you want
to do that? Or do you wanna

1079
00:59:29.039 --> 00:59:32.239
wait? You're the guest. Look, I got nowhere to be. Throw

1080
00:59:32.360 --> 00:59:36.159
something at me, Turn on the
turn on the host. Hey, what

1081
00:59:36.239 --> 00:59:37.880
do you got? I saw a
movie the other day, what do you

1082
00:59:37.960 --> 00:59:40.599
see? I thought of you just
because it was an interesting experience. Uh.

1083
00:59:40.719 --> 00:59:46.559
I saw eras the Taylor Swift concert
film. Interesting. I believe your

1084
00:59:46.599 --> 00:59:50.639
significant other is a swifty as they
say? Is that right? I don't

1085
00:59:50.639 --> 00:59:53.320
know if you self identify as a
swifty. But she's what's the delineation there?

1086
00:59:53.760 --> 00:59:59.000
She's a super fan who reads everything
on Reddit and understands everything about it

1087
00:59:59.039 --> 01:00:00.199
and only listens to her swift.
But I don't know if it'd be like

1088
01:00:00.360 --> 01:00:02.679
it's the equivalent of being like,
well, you're a gamer and yeah,

1089
01:00:02.679 --> 01:00:06.679
I guess something about that. Don't
use the term. I don't know's I

1090
01:00:06.800 --> 01:00:09.519
had a gues Does she own a
sparkly pink cowboy hat? Not that I've

1091
01:00:09.639 --> 01:00:15.119
seen? Okay, I don't believe
so okay, but yeah, it's she

1092
01:00:15.239 --> 01:00:17.719
loves Taylor Swift. Did you you
saw this movie? Yeah, so I

1093
01:00:17.760 --> 01:00:21.599
went to the theaters with hers because
I was curious about, like, this

1094
01:00:21.760 --> 01:00:24.039
is such a weird phenomenon. You
know, we were having a kid at

1095
01:00:24.039 --> 01:00:28.800
the time. She was having a
kid when the Era's tour came through Minneapolis,

1096
01:00:28.800 --> 01:00:30.039
so she didn't get to go this. It's a bummer, but it's

1097
01:00:30.119 --> 01:00:34.239
just amazing because she's like, and
this is a lot of it's not like

1098
01:00:34.320 --> 01:00:38.360
it was known, but just the
Swifty community, it just feels like can

1099
01:00:38.480 --> 01:00:43.960
predict accurately what Taylor's will do because
Taylor Swift is such a smart business woman,

1100
01:00:44.159 --> 01:00:46.960
what she will do like, uh, musical direction wise, or what

1101
01:00:47.119 --> 01:00:52.400
she's gonna specifically. You know.
My wife's like, oh, I bet

1102
01:00:52.719 --> 01:00:54.519
she filmed that tour she just gonna
release in theaters is a big concert movie.

1103
01:00:54.519 --> 01:00:57.719
And I was like, did she
announced she's doing this? And she's

1104
01:00:57.760 --> 01:00:59.800
like no, but it just makes
sense. You'd make like a billion dollars,

1105
01:01:00.079 --> 01:01:04.840
it's business any massive, Like,
is there something specifically about Taylor Swift

1106
01:01:04.960 --> 01:01:09.440
or about this tour that's especially like
cinematic or I mean it's the biggest tour

1107
01:01:09.800 --> 01:01:15.719
in the history of concerts? Is
that really? I believe so I think

1108
01:01:15.280 --> 01:01:19.920
God trying to pieces together on the
mid mixture. The other day. Yeah,

1109
01:01:19.960 --> 01:01:23.360
it was Donnie Game of Thrones man
was up there as well. Hang

1110
01:01:23.440 --> 01:01:25.480
on and to stop he was,
let me, I wait, I just

1111
01:01:25.519 --> 01:01:29.880
want to try to figure out Donnie
Game of Thrones man. And in the

1112
01:01:29.920 --> 01:01:37.199
fast one scene, the the guy
whose voice doesn't seem like it matches what

1113
01:01:37.280 --> 01:01:40.280
he looks like, Donnie Ga Thrones
Many Lonnie Donigan. Yeah, I know

1114
01:01:40.440 --> 01:01:44.320
he was really high up there,
but I think the Aras tour eventually topped

1115
01:01:44.360 --> 01:01:47.079
it. Wow. So yeah,
and so it tells us to such a

1116
01:01:47.679 --> 01:01:50.400
smart business woman that it's like,
oh, that just makes sense. Of

1117
01:01:50.440 --> 01:01:52.639
course you do that. And now
it's the biggest concert movie of all time.

1118
01:01:52.639 --> 01:01:54.320
I med one hundred million dollars opening
weekend. What is what else is

1119
01:01:54.400 --> 01:01:58.960
up there? And he's not making
sense? It's probably pretty They were so

1120
01:01:59.039 --> 01:02:01.639
much more niche even their peak then, right, which is probably some weird

1121
01:02:02.039 --> 01:02:06.079
concert movies. Can you google things? I mean, there was the the

1122
01:02:06.119 --> 01:02:08.320
Michael Jackson is this it? This
is this thing? This is it?

1123
01:02:08.880 --> 01:02:12.840
I thought of this is it a
lot watching that because I saw that in

1124
01:02:12.880 --> 01:02:15.639
the theaters, because we're big Michael
Jackson House growing up, my sisters loved

1125
01:02:15.719 --> 01:02:20.599
him, and therefore I loved him, right, scandal noted? Does that

1126
01:02:20.760 --> 01:02:22.639
just get anytime you bring up a
thing that got canceled, can you just

1127
01:02:22.719 --> 01:02:25.039
do that and save a lot of
time? Yeah, okay, it is

1128
01:02:25.199 --> 01:02:28.880
Pete Holmes and you made it weird
podcast. That's what he does. That's

1129
01:02:28.880 --> 01:02:30.199
such a good shorthad, like,
look, we're hip, we get it,

1130
01:02:30.320 --> 01:02:32.440
we get it, but we need
to talk about things. Should I

1131
01:02:32.639 --> 01:02:36.159
does that work where it's like I'm
gonna do a watch pretty soon of dirty

1132
01:02:36.199 --> 01:02:37.599
work and it's like I know that
there's gonna be stuff that doesn't age.

1133
01:02:37.679 --> 01:02:40.159
Well, Can I just is there
a quick phrase I can say at the

1134
01:02:40.199 --> 01:02:43.159
beginning to just kind of just be
like, Okay, look, we all

1135
01:02:43.199 --> 01:02:45.519
get it. Some of the stuff
didn't some of these jokes don't land anymore,

1136
01:02:45.679 --> 01:02:46.840
but we're gonna watch it. You
just say, this is Earth and

1137
01:02:46.960 --> 01:02:51.159
time moves forward. We all understand
that, right, Okay, some things

1138
01:02:51.199 --> 01:02:53.440
aren't cool anymore. We got Justin
Bieber Never Say Never, Oh The Last

1139
01:02:53.480 --> 01:02:59.480
Waltz Katie Perry the movie part of
the Highest Give Me Shelter. I just

1140
01:02:59.519 --> 01:03:04.519
heard from Biguess Concert Movies every highest
grossing concert movies list, it says,

1141
01:03:04.679 --> 01:03:07.719
h Taylor swifts Eras is easily the
biggest concert film opening ever, Okay,

1142
01:03:07.880 --> 01:03:12.199
and then in theory maybe seven million. Yeah, so it said, man

1143
01:03:12.320 --> 01:03:16.079
concert movie. Yeah, can you
imagine that they're making like the Flash and

1144
01:03:16.199 --> 01:03:20.239
it comes in under that and like
just put cameras up in the stadium.

1145
01:03:20.400 --> 01:03:23.159
That's fucking wild because like how old
is she? Like thirty five, thirty

1146
01:03:23.239 --> 01:03:28.000
two something like that, So she's
gonna have such a long career. Oh

1147
01:03:28.079 --> 01:03:30.760
yeah, and if she doesn't just
like go off and fucking become a recluse

1148
01:03:30.880 --> 01:03:36.840
or something, she's gonna like that's
that's why we're talking like Dolly Parton all

1149
01:03:36.920 --> 01:03:39.320
the time, like you know,
life long. That's Look. I couldn't

1150
01:03:39.440 --> 01:03:45.840
name a fucking Taylor Swift song,
but I I remember your girlfriend singing one

1151
01:03:45.960 --> 01:03:51.800
loudly one time a long time ago. I'm sure I wrote that. Uh

1152
01:03:52.400 --> 01:03:57.400
there's the shake it Off Shoes,
Shake it Off shake Okay, Yes,

1153
01:03:57.480 --> 01:04:00.519
yes, that one I have heard. Yes, yeah, there's So there's

1154
01:04:00.559 --> 01:04:04.840
a podcast that I like called Acquired
and it's all about like history of companies,

1155
01:04:05.199 --> 01:04:09.079
and they did an episode that's over
three hours long, that's just about

1156
01:04:09.119 --> 01:04:13.320
like Taylor Swift as a business and
it's like really fascinating just to chart her

1157
01:04:13.440 --> 01:04:16.639
entire career. It's like, here's
why she's number one, here's every smart

1158
01:04:16.719 --> 01:04:19.760
decision she has made. But is
it her or is it like is she

1159
01:04:19.800 --> 01:04:24.119
have except management? Really? Yeah, she has a team and her dad's

1160
01:04:24.159 --> 01:04:26.159
on the team and stuff, but
largely her. But she's had like great

1161
01:04:26.199 --> 01:04:28.880
mentors throughout her life and stuff like
your dad, like a weird Britney Spears

1162
01:04:29.000 --> 01:04:31.840
dad thing, or it's like a
weird Karen dad. Seems like good dad

1163
01:04:31.920 --> 01:04:35.360
situations, I understand. But there
was also like a songwriter, which is

1164
01:04:35.440 --> 01:04:39.559
kind of cool, like an old
Nashville lady songwriter that helped her out a

1165
01:04:39.599 --> 01:04:44.079
lot in the beginning that co wrote
oh sorry Swift is co wrote all too

1166
01:04:44.119 --> 01:04:46.960
well with her and like some other
big songs and stuff that. So she's

1167
01:04:47.000 --> 01:04:49.360
had a lot of mentorship and then
you know, advice all around, YadA,

1168
01:04:49.400 --> 01:04:51.920
YadA, YadA. Anyways, So
yeah, this movie was huge and

1169
01:04:51.920 --> 01:04:55.719
I was like I want to go
opening night because I want to see like

1170
01:04:55.800 --> 01:04:59.400
what that theater is like, Like
are are people going to be crying?

1171
01:04:59.400 --> 01:05:00.760
Are people going to be screaming,
what is it gonna be like? Because

1172
01:05:00.960 --> 01:05:03.719
I like going to movies where there's
a big reaction, you know, like

1173
01:05:03.800 --> 01:05:06.280
we love the Jackass movies, the
most fun movies to see the theater,

1174
01:05:06.519 --> 01:05:10.280
right, like the best, and
it's like, is this is this gonna

1175
01:05:10.320 --> 01:05:14.159
be basically Jackass five? You know? Uh? The answer was it was

1176
01:05:14.840 --> 01:05:15.960
it was damn close. No,
is this really fun? Like you're never

1177
01:05:16.000 --> 01:05:19.199
at a theater and like the movie
theaters were really leaning into this idea of

1178
01:05:19.320 --> 01:05:23.920
like we want everybody to get up
and dance, like please react during this.

1179
01:05:24.000 --> 01:05:25.840
They came in, they sent someone
out with I got live MinC.

1180
01:05:25.960 --> 01:05:28.639
No, they didn't say anything exactly
like that. I just made it up.

1181
01:05:28.679 --> 01:05:30.920
No, but I feel like in
some posts or some messaging AMC who

1182
01:05:30.960 --> 01:05:34.079
had a partnership, because the whole
idea, I believe the idea was Taylor

1183
01:05:34.119 --> 01:05:38.280
Swift went to like distributors to try
and line up a distributor for this movie,

1184
01:05:38.760 --> 01:05:40.880
and just no one was giving her
the terms she wanted. She's like,

1185
01:05:40.880 --> 01:05:43.000
all right, I'll screw you guys, like I'll go directly to AMC

1186
01:05:43.440 --> 01:05:45.679
and just cut everybody out, cut
out the middleman. And then she just

1187
01:05:45.719 --> 01:05:47.199
did that and then yeah, it
takes one hundred million dollars. Of course.

1188
01:05:47.320 --> 01:05:50.440
I just had a picture of that, Like AMCPR person who in the

1189
01:05:50.480 --> 01:05:54.639
same year has to be like,
hey, everyone get up there, dance

1190
01:05:54.679 --> 01:05:57.360
show they're having a good time,
and also put out the press release that's

1191
01:05:57.400 --> 01:06:00.880
like, we're not sending poison gas
in the theater during Sound of Freedom.

1192
01:06:00.320 --> 01:06:03.679
Wait what oh god, that's the
whole other thing. But like, I

1193
01:06:03.719 --> 01:06:06.920
woonder if the same person had to
deal with the same person. That's amazing.

1194
01:06:08.519 --> 01:06:09.840
No, it's just fun to be
in a theater. We're like,

1195
01:06:10.079 --> 01:06:15.480
yeah, there were people standing up
singing along, like people applauding in the

1196
01:06:15.559 --> 01:06:16.599
theater, which I know everyone's like, oh, it's all living people clap

1197
01:06:16.639 --> 01:06:19.239
at the end of the movie.
I'm like, I've always disagree with us,

1198
01:06:19.280 --> 01:06:21.519
Like the point is to have a
communal experience. It's not like you're

1199
01:06:21.519 --> 01:06:25.320
applauding. People can hear you.
The point is like you want to acknowledge

1200
01:06:25.360 --> 01:06:28.400
with the other people around you that
we all enjoyed this together, right,

1201
01:06:28.519 --> 01:06:30.960
we're a group, and so like
it was a really fun moment just for

1202
01:06:30.039 --> 01:06:33.199
having a theater just be laser locked, and especially like there are a bunch

1203
01:06:33.719 --> 01:06:36.800
of this feels weird to say there's
a bunch of like little girls all over,

1204
01:06:36.960 --> 01:06:40.920
and like it made it so much
better. It sounded weird when you

1205
01:06:40.920 --> 01:06:46.719
said it. Scandaloading, no,
but even genuinely heartwarming. And you know,

1206
01:06:46.800 --> 01:06:49.039
I might have been a little high, but like it made me want

1207
01:06:49.079 --> 01:06:54.840
to cry because just like little girls
like screaming and standing all like dancing together

1208
01:06:55.320 --> 01:06:59.119
like in a movie theater. It
was awesome. I had a similar feeling

1209
01:06:59.360 --> 01:07:02.079
when Force Awakens came out, and
like, I I like Star Wars.

1210
01:07:02.320 --> 01:07:06.320
Like I would never call myself like
a super hardcore Star Wars person, but

1211
01:07:06.320 --> 01:07:09.719
I've seen all the movies. I
like the movies a lot. I don't

1212
01:07:09.719 --> 01:07:12.039
watch all the Disney plus stuff or
whatever, and like, so when Force

1213
01:07:12.119 --> 01:07:15.000
Awakens came out, I was like, Okay, I'm genuinely very excited for

1214
01:07:15.039 --> 01:07:16.559
this. It's been a long time. We've always wondered what episode you know,

1215
01:07:16.760 --> 01:07:20.159
uh seven would look like. And
uh I saw it. It was

1216
01:07:20.199 --> 01:07:24.400
fine. I enjoyed it. It
was okay. Uh And then I left

1217
01:07:24.599 --> 01:07:26.880
and you know, again, didn't
hate it. Didn't feel like it was

1218
01:07:26.920 --> 01:07:29.239
being like jaded, cenecal older guy
or whatever, but I just I wasn't

1219
01:07:29.519 --> 01:07:31.480
especially moved by it. And then
I saw it in front of the theater

1220
01:07:31.800 --> 01:07:34.480
two kids who had just seen it, and they had like the toy lightsaber

1221
01:07:34.559 --> 01:07:38.800
things and they were like having like
like these two little kids having a lightsaber

1222
01:07:38.840 --> 01:07:42.159
fight, and it's like, you
know what, that's that reaction is a

1223
01:07:42.159 --> 01:07:44.960
lot more important than whatever the fuck
my you know, thirty whatever year old

1224
01:07:45.000 --> 01:07:48.280
ass. And that's why babies should
be allowed at the zoo, you idiot.

1225
01:07:48.360 --> 01:07:53.639
That's k fabe, that's kay,
Okay, you should probably let kids

1226
01:07:53.719 --> 01:07:57.760
be at It was on the BombCast
and a firescape thing. People get very

1227
01:07:57.800 --> 01:08:01.239
angry about that stick but it was
fun for everybody. No, But I

1228
01:08:01.280 --> 01:08:04.840
think, like, you know,
Taylor Swift from just it's nice because I

1229
01:08:04.880 --> 01:08:08.840
don't have to be too absorbed in
every detail, but it's always just fun

1230
01:08:08.880 --> 01:08:10.960
to get an update on what's going
on in the Taylor Swift world from my

1231
01:08:10.960 --> 01:08:15.920
wife and stuff. And just like
the the level of parasocial attack attachment she

1232
01:08:15.960 --> 01:08:20.960
has with her community, like it
is off the trusty to attachment attachment attachment.

1233
01:08:21.039 --> 01:08:25.119
Okay, does she engage with it? Does she? Yeah? Like

1234
01:08:25.279 --> 01:08:29.399
from the start, she's just been
super community focused, always like inviting people

1235
01:08:29.479 --> 01:08:30.640
to different things like oh, come
Prieve with the new record, and just

1236
01:08:30.680 --> 01:08:34.840
like it's built up to this legion
of fans who you know, when she

1237
01:08:34.880 --> 01:08:38.600
says, hey, go and register
to vote, it's like systems are down

1238
01:08:38.600 --> 01:08:41.039
because no one can handle it.
And just like seeing the diehard fans in

1239
01:08:41.119 --> 01:08:44.520
that theater, you know, it's
like whoa and she's and it's just fun.

1240
01:08:44.920 --> 01:08:47.039
First of all, you like big
stuff, I know you do spectacle.

1241
01:08:47.159 --> 01:08:50.560
Yeah, seeing this in a big
theater with awesome sound and it's like

1242
01:08:50.920 --> 01:08:55.319
wild awesome concert production because the whole
thing is like going through all the different

1243
01:08:55.359 --> 01:08:59.000
eras just had musically, and just
like the set will change. It's just

1244
01:08:59.279 --> 01:09:02.840
cool lighting guests, all this stuffy
yeah, but just seeing like her communing

1245
01:09:02.920 --> 01:09:05.560
with her communicating with the frans fans, and she knows exactly what they want.

1246
01:09:05.600 --> 01:09:09.600
She's not doing like too many bonus
interviews. She's very strict on her

1247
01:09:09.640 --> 01:09:13.680
messaging, but she's just like has
nailed it on a messaging perspective. You

1248
01:09:13.720 --> 01:09:16.560
know, she just comes out and
you know everyone's going nuts. Apparently they

1249
01:09:16.640 --> 01:09:19.399
trimmed it down in the movie,
but Maife was telling me like during the

1250
01:09:19.479 --> 01:09:24.920
show, after she did a couple
of songs just like people for some reason

1251
01:09:25.039 --> 01:09:28.439
in this break, people would start
applotting and apparently it would go for over

1252
01:09:28.560 --> 01:09:30.880
ten minutes if people just screaming,
and she would just like have to wait

1253
01:09:30.960 --> 01:09:33.800
it out. But she's so sweet
and like communicating to the crowd. She's

1254
01:09:33.840 --> 01:09:38.479
like as they're going nuts, she
goes, I just it's a very generous

1255
01:09:38.520 --> 01:09:40.640
thing you all are doing for me
right now, and I really appreciate it.

1256
01:09:40.760 --> 01:09:43.000
Like, and she's big on just
messaging, especially in this movie,

1257
01:09:43.079 --> 01:09:45.680
like you know this right here,
this moment, right now, we're sharing

1258
01:09:45.760 --> 01:09:50.439
this together. Don't forget it.
Like it's just pitch perfect messaging for building

1259
01:09:50.439 --> 01:09:54.920
a community. And that's like a
weird thing that I'm very It's just it's

1260
01:09:55.000 --> 01:09:58.000
really cool to see that, you
know, Honestly, I know I don't

1261
01:09:58.199 --> 01:10:00.720
know anything or but like I have
nothing but respect for that. And like

1262
01:10:00.720 --> 01:10:02.680
you talk about like the spectacle angle, like there's many angles of this that

1263
01:10:02.720 --> 01:10:06.720
I can only respect. Like do
you think when like let's say, okay,

1264
01:10:06.800 --> 01:10:10.880
I know everyone I know in Kansas
City, all this shit going on

1265
01:10:11.039 --> 01:10:15.920
with Travis Kelcey and OHS games and
stuff like that, Like I know something

1266
01:10:15.039 --> 01:10:18.560
is working on like a press media
level, if it's something that is so

1267
01:10:18.720 --> 01:10:23.000
far out of my wheelhouse and I
still, despite not seeking it out,

1268
01:10:23.479 --> 01:10:27.199
am confronted with it all the time. And I don't know how many fucking

1269
01:10:27.279 --> 01:10:31.520
times I have seen her in a
box at Arrowhead like a yelling and stuff,

1270
01:10:31.760 --> 01:10:35.840
and so like that is obviously a
huge get media wise, Like that's

1271
01:10:35.880 --> 01:10:42.119
just everywhere. Do you think something
like that is a carefully considered like,

1272
01:10:42.239 --> 01:10:44.960
Hey, we're gonna let the media
know she's up there, Like it's not

1273
01:10:45.039 --> 01:10:46.199
like, oh, she's showing up
there trying to be candid and everything.

1274
01:10:46.279 --> 01:10:49.960
Like do you think this was a
not to say it's a false thing or

1275
01:10:50.039 --> 01:10:51.760
that it's you know, like but
do you think it is a like,

1276
01:10:51.960 --> 01:10:56.239
hey, we're gonna play into this
and it is. I mean, who

1277
01:10:56.359 --> 01:10:59.640
knows, No one knows. But
it's like if she's that smart of a

1278
01:10:59.640 --> 01:11:02.640
business and she has a big movie
coming out and she's dating a football player

1279
01:11:03.439 --> 01:11:06.199
snl and yeah, yeah, I
am going to be applauding and have the

1280
01:11:06.239 --> 01:11:10.960
cameras on me and have it be
this huge story in the weeks leading up

1281
01:11:11.000 --> 01:11:15.680
to my concert movie releasing that I'm
distributing directly, Like hell yeah, good.

1282
01:11:15.840 --> 01:11:17.359
Good for her. I mean,
I guess the test is, you

1283
01:11:17.439 --> 01:11:20.520
know, see along the football seasons
last couple of months here, I guess,

1284
01:11:21.279 --> 01:11:24.079
you know, with the chief stay
in it and stuff like does she

1285
01:11:24.199 --> 01:11:26.920
keep showing up after her movie is
out of theaters? Right, that'll be

1286
01:11:26.960 --> 01:11:29.439
the test. I suppose. I
feel like it'd be weird if she did,

1287
01:11:29.520 --> 01:11:31.079
if she is like she is like
dating this guy, right, yeah,

1288
01:11:31.199 --> 01:11:34.279
she didn't come to the Minnesota game, oh right, right, yeah

1289
01:11:34.359 --> 01:11:39.119
yeah, Like I subscribed to the
newspaper now and I was reading about like,

1290
01:11:39.159 --> 01:11:41.720
oh, all eyes are on the
US Bank Stadium to see if Taylor

1291
01:11:41.840 --> 01:11:43.960
is going to be hearing, like
ticket price is going up on like the

1292
01:11:44.079 --> 01:11:47.079
idea of like and I've heard from
friends in Kansas City and stuff there,

1293
01:11:47.119 --> 01:11:50.680
like they know people that live in
the building that Travis Kelsey lives in and

1294
01:11:50.800 --> 01:11:55.119
that, like you know, people
being like, oh yeah, I've taken

1295
01:11:55.199 --> 01:11:58.840
my trash out six times today,
just like scouring the halls wondering if Taylor's

1296
01:11:58.840 --> 01:12:00.920
gonna make an appearance. You know, like God, it's but you love

1297
01:12:01.000 --> 01:12:04.520
that level of celebrity just just huge
force, nothing but respect for it.

1298
01:12:04.560 --> 01:12:10.039
Where it's like it's obviously working I
don't see any harm that this is doing

1299
01:12:10.159 --> 01:12:13.199
to anyone, you know, Like, tell that to Jake Jillen Hall.

1300
01:12:14.119 --> 01:12:16.079
What does he have to do with
it? Oh, he's like he dated

1301
01:12:16.119 --> 01:12:20.159
her a while ago when she was
really young, some real good creepy stuff.

1302
01:12:20.159 --> 01:12:21.840
I mean, he was one of
those like he was creepy. Well,

1303
01:12:21.880 --> 01:12:25.359
I think he was like thirty two
when she was eighteen. Like one

1304
01:12:25.399 --> 01:12:28.680
of those things was come right man. Yeah. But then her best song

1305
01:12:28.800 --> 01:12:30.760
we all agree listeners all too well, you would you would like all too

1306
01:12:30.800 --> 01:12:33.680
well, and it was like her
best song is about that relationship and the

1307
01:12:33.720 --> 01:12:36.239
song freakin' rules, and she just
like re recorded it because you know,

1308
01:12:36.279 --> 01:12:41.439
the whole thing about the master recordings
and all this. This is an awesome

1309
01:12:41.439 --> 01:12:44.439
little story that I'm sure I'll butcher
the details of. But the idea is

1310
01:12:45.520 --> 01:12:50.840
there were some real shitheads that owned
the rights to her recordings for her first

1311
01:12:53.119 --> 01:12:56.920
well the majority of her career to
his record company. Yes, okay,

1312
01:12:56.960 --> 01:13:00.239
exactly, just some gross guys that
she did not approve of it at a

1313
01:13:00.239 --> 01:13:01.239
certain point. Sure, and she
was like really young when she started,

1314
01:13:01.319 --> 01:13:03.840
right, so she probably signed some
shit. Yeah, one of those types

1315
01:13:03.840 --> 01:13:11.720
of things. But the idea was
that even though they own the rights for

1316
01:13:11.920 --> 01:13:16.279
people to use that song and license
it out, they still needed her to

1317
01:13:16.319 --> 01:13:19.680
give approval to that being used.
Okay, so it's like, okay,

1318
01:13:19.720 --> 01:13:23.039
well they own these recordings, but
they did my approval. So everything is

1319
01:13:23.079 --> 01:13:26.199
just kind of in a weird stalemate. And so at a certain point she's

1320
01:13:26.239 --> 01:13:29.800
like, well, they just record
these they own those literal recordings, and

1321
01:13:30.000 --> 01:13:32.479
so I can just go back into
a studio and fuck you, I'm going

1322
01:13:32.520 --> 01:13:39.000
to re record every old album I
did and re release it. And and

1323
01:13:39.079 --> 01:13:41.000
it's like, well, what do
you do, because then it's going to

1324
01:13:41.039 --> 01:13:44.119
confuse the marketplace if both these are
on Spotify. And so all she did

1325
01:13:44.199 --> 01:13:46.119
is she re released all these albums. Was she up to like four or

1326
01:13:46.159 --> 01:13:49.640
three of her old al yeah,
yeah, but she's like whole new productions

1327
01:13:49.680 --> 01:13:51.680
of it, and it kind of
like extended versions of some songs and stuff

1328
01:13:51.680 --> 01:13:55.600
and as well. But then in
the re recordings when it goes up,

1329
01:13:55.960 --> 01:13:58.239
it's the same name of the album, but then in parentheses it just says

1330
01:13:58.439 --> 01:14:00.600
Taylor's version. So it's like,
if you're a fan and you see on

1331
01:14:00.680 --> 01:14:05.279
Spotify, like this song Taylor's version
and other songs. It's like the cleanest

1332
01:14:05.319 --> 01:14:09.439
way to communicate, go for this
one. So now the people who own

1333
01:14:09.479 --> 01:14:14.479
those old recordings are like, oh
shit, and so they quickly sold it

1334
01:14:14.560 --> 01:14:17.000
to somebody else for like three hundred
million cash. Oh yep, okay,

1335
01:14:17.079 --> 01:14:19.319
yeah. But so then someone's like, yeah, I'll buy all of Tilly's

1336
01:14:19.359 --> 01:14:21.359
what's recordings, So somebody else owns
it for th rend a million dollars.

1337
01:14:21.439 --> 01:14:24.439
Was like, they can't do anything
because she's not going to sign off and

1338
01:14:24.479 --> 01:14:26.800
give approval for any of this.
And now she just owns all of her

1339
01:14:26.800 --> 01:14:29.600
songs because she has these recordings out
there, and are they supposed to like

1340
01:14:29.760 --> 01:14:31.199
do they sound a lot like the
old ones? Yeah? Yep. Really,

1341
01:14:31.239 --> 01:14:33.279
it's kind of it's almost like a
remastering, you know, in some

1342
01:14:33.359 --> 01:14:35.920
ways, but it's surprisingly close.
And so the fans of like accepted them

1343
01:14:35.960 --> 01:14:39.239
as like this is that these are
the ones we listen to now, like

1344
01:14:39.319 --> 01:14:42.560
yeah, it's super smart. I
can't help but think that, like in

1345
01:14:42.640 --> 01:14:46.239
our lifetimes like this is not I'm
trying to think of what to compare like

1346
01:14:46.279 --> 01:14:49.479
her celebrity to and it's like there
have been like things like oh, I

1347
01:14:49.520 --> 01:14:55.560
don't know, the Spice Girls and
stuff that there are things that were like

1348
01:14:55.840 --> 01:14:59.840
genuine phenomenons inescapable, but we're kind
of flashed in the pan, like Okay,

1349
01:14:59.840 --> 01:15:01.119
they like two songs that were everywhere
and then like a year and a

1350
01:15:01.119 --> 01:15:03.600
half they've fade out. I think
I think she's Michael Jackson level. That's

1351
01:15:03.640 --> 01:15:08.319
the thing is, like I feel
like I have been hearing about Taylor Swift.

1352
01:15:08.439 --> 01:15:10.840
I feel like for at least over
a decade, right, like she's

1353
01:15:10.880 --> 01:15:13.560
been a big thing. So like
this is obviously not some like flash in

1354
01:15:13.640 --> 01:15:16.760
the pan thing. Yeah, so
I it was something I always it was

1355
01:15:16.800 --> 01:15:19.279
similar like like Madonna. You know, I don't really like I don't consider

1356
01:15:19.319 --> 01:15:23.520
myself like a fisionado of like her. I like her songs fine, but

1357
01:15:23.560 --> 01:15:27.079
I don't really ever seek it out. She seemed to always kind of reinvent

1358
01:15:27.159 --> 01:15:30.079
herself and always stay relevant throughout her
career. The undertaker of pop music,

1359
01:15:30.079 --> 01:15:33.880
if you would put it that way. And I so, I I can't

1360
01:15:33.880 --> 01:15:38.319
think of anyone. God, am
I just thinking? Am I not thinking

1361
01:15:38.359 --> 01:15:44.640
of obvious things in our lifetimes and
music in mainstream extremely popular at like this

1362
01:15:44.800 --> 01:15:46.600
level or anything close to it.
But the really, I mean, during

1363
01:15:46.600 --> 01:15:53.000
our lifetimes, you know Dinosaur reacted
in our time. Yeah, yeah,

1364
01:15:53.000 --> 01:15:55.800
because I mean the Stone's been playing
the hit since eighty one, you know,

1365
01:15:56.279 --> 01:16:00.319
so I can't think of anyone who
stayed, even Prince, Like,

1366
01:16:00.359 --> 01:16:02.840
I mean, I feel like Prince
said, you know, the eighties,

1367
01:16:02.960 --> 01:16:06.079
early nineties and stuff was kind of
the heyday, and you should go free

1368
01:16:06.159 --> 01:16:09.720
museum tour by the way, or
oh at Paisley Park. Yeah, it's

1369
01:16:09.720 --> 01:16:14.600
cool that long ago they went for
that tour and they said like, oh,

1370
01:16:14.640 --> 01:16:18.439
in this room, Prince had a
bunch of arcade cabinets, but once

1371
01:16:18.479 --> 01:16:21.840
he passed, we hauled him out
and they're in storage now. And so

1372
01:16:21.960 --> 01:16:25.840
I asked the tour guy, was
like, do you know what games he

1373
01:16:25.960 --> 01:16:29.760
had? Those are written down?
Ins that recorded are He's like, I

1374
01:16:29.800 --> 01:16:30.399
don't know. Hey, i'll get
back to you. I'll get back to

1375
01:16:30.439 --> 01:16:32.640
you. We'll talk to like the
historian people, okay. And so I

1376
01:16:32.720 --> 01:16:35.640
tried calling and emailing after the fact, like I just want to know,

1377
01:16:35.840 --> 01:16:39.479
because I think it would be a
fun little YouTube video. I really did.

1378
01:16:39.560 --> 01:16:41.720
Yeah, I'm like, I want
to make like a just one out

1379
01:16:41.800 --> 01:16:45.199
video of like I want the exact
recording of like what games the Prince Crab

1380
01:16:45.279 --> 01:16:47.359
at Paisley Park. Yes, you
know, because even I remember there was

1381
01:16:47.399 --> 01:16:53.079
some tour of Michael Jackson's coming up
a suspicious amount on this podcast that I

1382
01:16:53.119 --> 01:16:55.439
think it was like a sixty minutes
piece or something, and you saw you

1383
01:16:55.479 --> 01:16:57.760
could see like the arcade games that
he had in the background of his house

1384
01:16:57.800 --> 01:16:59.920
and so fun to like positive like, yeah, what do people like my?

1385
01:17:00.359 --> 01:17:01.600
Which games do they own? Like
Spielberg, you see, like the

1386
01:17:01.680 --> 01:17:04.159
games that he has in the DreamWorks
office, you know, like I'm so

1387
01:17:04.239 --> 01:17:08.039
obsessed with that, Like what are
you buying if we are like within a

1388
01:17:08.079 --> 01:17:12.479
few miles of like Prince's cabinet of
San Francisco Rush, Like do you think

1389
01:17:12.520 --> 01:17:15.880
exactly for that's exactly my point.
Yeah, holy shit, Yeah, they're

1390
01:17:16.039 --> 01:17:18.359
just sitting there with so much other
stuff. You know, God, I

1391
01:17:18.399 --> 01:17:20.760
would like to go to that museum. He is one of those just like

1392
01:17:20.840 --> 01:17:24.720
again, I all of his music
that I've heard, I like a lot.

1393
01:17:24.840 --> 01:17:27.319
I just I'm not I don't want
to act like I'm an expert or

1394
01:17:27.319 --> 01:17:30.840
anything, but he's one of those
guys that's like an an axe a rose

1395
01:17:31.079 --> 01:17:35.640
or or these were just weirdos,
just straight up weirdo geniuses that like I

1396
01:17:35.800 --> 01:17:39.760
just can't get enough of those stories. Like every story I've heard about Prince

1397
01:17:40.039 --> 01:17:43.319
has just been like what is going
on here? He's like the most like

1398
01:17:43.760 --> 01:17:47.520
just wild free sexual dude ever but
also like a huge Jehovah's witness and like

1399
01:17:47.640 --> 01:17:50.439
all these like I want to hear
stories about this thing. And Basic Park

1400
01:17:50.520 --> 01:17:54.479
is really cool. It seems like
there's a munch a comfy, impressive rooms

1401
01:17:54.479 --> 01:17:57.399
and the weirdest part is like,
Okay, this is where Prince hung out

1402
01:17:57.399 --> 01:18:01.399
all the time, and it's like
it's the worst where it's kind of just

1403
01:18:01.479 --> 01:18:08.479
like an old fifties diner style thing
with like a hard plastic, old fifties

1404
01:18:08.560 --> 01:18:10.920
diner seat, Like yeah, he
would just sit here and he'd watch a

1405
01:18:10.960 --> 01:18:15.359
bunch of Lynx games, like the
Minnesota with a diner. It's in like

1406
01:18:15.720 --> 01:18:19.439
there's like a couch within a diner. And it really is like this is

1407
01:18:19.479 --> 01:18:23.640
like the type of room that if
I own this place, maybe i'd walk

1408
01:18:23.680 --> 01:18:26.680
into once for the day, Like
this is his hangout spot. It's odd

1409
01:18:26.920 --> 01:18:30.880
if you were Prince rich, what
would your life look like? Because you

1410
01:18:30.039 --> 01:18:34.960
I do kind of admire your ability
to just like you make money. Yuh,

1411
01:18:36.399 --> 01:18:41.840
you're comfortable. You're comfortable with,
uh what you got. Yeah.

1412
01:18:41.840 --> 01:18:45.520
I was talking to my dad about
this the other day because they're wanting to

1413
01:18:45.800 --> 01:18:47.920
build like a tiny house. Yeah. Yeah. It's a long story,

1414
01:18:48.239 --> 01:18:50.640
and so it's a lot of going
back with like the family and the rest

1415
01:18:50.680 --> 01:18:53.560
of my family's like, okay,
well let's make it bigger, bigger,

1416
01:18:53.560 --> 01:18:56.079
bigger, And I'm like, let's
keep it small. Everything's fine, we

1417
01:18:56.119 --> 01:18:58.760
don't need to, like, we
can keep this small and simple. Like

1418
01:18:58.840 --> 01:19:01.359
I like our little lake lot over
there in rural Minnesota, western Minnesota the

1419
01:19:01.399 --> 01:19:03.880
way it is, you know.
And I was trying to explain to my

1420
01:19:03.960 --> 01:19:06.479
dad, like, yeah, I
don't think I'm cheap. I'm just content,

1421
01:19:06.720 --> 01:19:12.159
Like I don't want anything but to
thrive for I think right is to

1422
01:19:12.359 --> 01:19:15.000
like want no. No is to
be content with what you have, and

1423
01:19:15.119 --> 01:19:18.880
like right right I I you know, like I meditate a lot, and

1424
01:19:18.960 --> 01:19:21.720
I'm into that, like so much
of that as just being present in the

1425
01:19:21.800 --> 01:19:25.239
moment and happy, which is oh
your breath and your life and your health

1426
01:19:25.239 --> 01:19:27.840
and all that stuff. But at
the same time, I like getting fucking

1427
01:19:28.039 --> 01:19:30.640
old games and arcade machines and bullshittresses
me out. I know, that's the

1428
01:19:30.680 --> 01:19:33.000
thing that's like. But I so
I have this kind of like push and

1429
01:19:33.079 --> 01:19:36.119
pull of just like I want to
be comfortable just with you know, just

1430
01:19:36.439 --> 01:19:40.880
sitting on a pillow, paying attention
to my breath. But then also it's

1431
01:19:40.880 --> 01:19:42.880
like I got wont to god,
I gotta get a rip three or whatever.

1432
01:19:43.039 --> 01:19:45.720
What do you want all this stuff
for. That's parts of confucon to

1433
01:19:45.800 --> 01:19:47.560
me. I think it's part of
it is. I remember the first time

1434
01:19:47.600 --> 01:19:50.199
I walked in the game Informer when
I was eighteen's two thousand and two,

1435
01:19:50.800 --> 01:19:55.720
and I saw the vault and it
was just like this is where they kept

1436
01:19:55.760 --> 01:19:59.720
all their games. Yeah, yeah, for people who don't know the trips.

1437
01:20:00.680 --> 01:20:02.119
For me, it was the like
museum aspect of it, where it

1438
01:20:02.199 --> 01:20:05.600
was like I loved video games so
much and I loved having this physical room

1439
01:20:05.720 --> 01:20:09.720
I could stand in and just look
around like oh wow, look at this,

1440
01:20:09.720 --> 01:20:11.600
and like the whole thing I'm doing
replay and everything. It started with

1441
01:20:11.680 --> 01:20:13.680
like, you know, just looking
around. There's so many different games and

1442
01:20:13.680 --> 01:20:15.399
stuff, and it was just in
a physical room. Like I love emulation,

1443
01:20:15.520 --> 01:20:18.479
I do all that stuff, but
like I like the museum aspect of

1444
01:20:18.560 --> 01:20:21.840
it. And that's why it's like
I don't buy, like I don't give

1445
01:20:21.840 --> 01:20:25.000
a shit about buying like fancy cars
or anything like that. Like you see

1446
01:20:25.039 --> 01:20:27.319
the stuff I buy, and it's
like it's all games and wrestling stuff.

1447
01:20:27.359 --> 01:20:30.800
It's like the shit that I love. So like I I like being surrounded

1448
01:20:30.840 --> 01:20:32.359
by the stuff I love and so
but I also at the same time,

1449
01:20:33.039 --> 01:20:35.039
like that is like kind of a
burden. It's like when I was moving

1450
01:20:35.079 --> 01:20:38.159
here and it's like, oh fucking
I move all this shit and like,

1451
01:20:38.279 --> 01:20:40.720
you know, make it, make
sure it's safe and everything, and it's

1452
01:20:40.760 --> 01:20:45.479
like there is that world where like
that that uh oh, Ted Kazinski is

1453
01:20:45.479 --> 01:20:48.199
the guy I go to, like
just the like Cavin. Yeah, I

1454
01:20:48.279 --> 01:20:53.000
want to be like Ted Scandal noted. There's probably a better example than Ted.

1455
01:20:53.479 --> 01:20:56.840
I can't think of one, you
know, Okay, how about walden

1456
01:20:57.199 --> 01:21:00.239
walden Pond. You know, like
that's maybe a better than the name's pond

1457
01:21:00.560 --> 01:21:08.039
walden Pond Genesis. Yeah, so
no, I I do. I do

1458
01:21:08.279 --> 01:21:12.840
respect that. I think that's an
important quality to have. And I'm genuinely

1459
01:21:12.920 --> 01:21:17.239
confused when people really want stuff a
lot where it's like it's like I want

1460
01:21:17.279 --> 01:21:19.079
a nice, simple house. We
haven't bought a house yet, you know,

1461
01:21:19.119 --> 01:21:20.880
it's like a whole thing. It's
like, just give me a nice,

1462
01:21:20.880 --> 01:21:25.439
simple house. I'm good. I
don't know. Maybe maybe my brain's

1463
01:21:25.439 --> 01:21:30.119
broken for not wanting I want like
career success, I want Max to do

1464
01:21:30.239 --> 01:21:32.640
really well. But in terms of
like I don't, I don't know,

1465
01:21:32.760 --> 01:21:35.279
I'm not. It's finding this stuff
that actually matters and makes your life.

1466
01:21:35.279 --> 01:21:38.920
It's like it's additive to your life. Like I don't think if I bought

1467
01:21:38.960 --> 01:21:42.279
a fucking Lamborghini, I don't think
that my life is any better. I

1468
01:21:42.399 --> 01:21:44.359
think I just have to worry about
this Lamborghini. You know. It's like,

1469
01:21:44.640 --> 01:21:45.479
but there are things where it's like, okay, well if you pay

1470
01:21:45.479 --> 01:21:48.239
a little extra and get a house
in an area with its surrounded by nature

1471
01:21:48.279 --> 01:21:51.880
and things like that, it's like
that is an actual additive benefit to your

1472
01:21:51.960 --> 01:21:55.000
life, right, So like that's
and like the game, I feel like

1473
01:21:55.000 --> 01:21:58.560
those additive things to your life.
It's like if you're fortunate, it's like

1474
01:21:58.600 --> 01:22:02.279
you can you get that cap you're
doing all right, And then it's just

1475
01:22:02.760 --> 01:22:05.760
the comparison thing of like okay,
I need to fancy your house. I've

1476
01:22:05.800 --> 01:22:09.920
never I've never felt the comparison thing
at all, Like I just want to

1477
01:22:09.960 --> 01:22:12.760
be happy with wearing. Like right
now I'm happier than I've ever been.

1478
01:22:12.840 --> 01:22:14.600
Yeah, But like there's also,
like, you know, with what we

1479
01:22:14.680 --> 01:22:17.199
do for a living and everything I
like getting like you know, top I

1480
01:22:17.359 --> 01:22:21.159
like getting current equipment and things like
that. And we've a million times throughout

1481
01:22:21.159 --> 01:22:24.159
our friendship just I've been like,
oh, what's with this TV? And

1482
01:22:24.239 --> 01:22:26.840
like part of me is kind of
like, man, you should get a

1483
01:22:26.880 --> 01:22:29.960
better TV, you know, And
part of me is like, actually,

1484
01:22:30.800 --> 01:22:34.199
there is a very stark and neither
of you are in the wrong here.

1485
01:22:34.640 --> 01:22:39.520
You were both working in the right
way for you. But look at you

1486
01:22:40.199 --> 01:22:43.119
and look at the way like Miller
and kind of funny operate. I'm good

1487
01:22:43.159 --> 01:22:46.399
friends with both you and I.
Miller has deserved all of that whole crew

1488
01:22:46.439 --> 01:22:50.000
over there deserve all there. So
he's a billionaire who deserved it. He's

1489
01:22:50.239 --> 01:22:56.520
Richard Branson at the game. No, he You look at that fucking spare

1490
01:22:56.560 --> 01:23:00.439
bedroom they have and it's insane.
It's like Sports Center over there. It's

1491
01:23:00.560 --> 01:23:03.520
just ridiculous, but it works for
what they're doing. They make great use

1492
01:23:03.560 --> 01:23:08.079
out of it, and it fits
like they are san Francisco and the thick

1493
01:23:08.119 --> 01:23:11.359
of it and big games industry staff
and everything. You also think they all

1494
01:23:11.359 --> 01:23:13.760
grew up with wrestling, right,
and so they kind of like that show

1495
01:23:14.119 --> 01:23:18.039
there's there's some wrestling. Yeah yeah, but you are a Minnesota guy and

1496
01:23:18.439 --> 01:23:23.439
you named your your thing Minnesota is
in the name of your outlet men Max

1497
01:23:23.479 --> 01:23:28.000
by the way, uh and it
is. There is an earnest and I

1498
01:23:28.079 --> 01:23:30.920
feel like I'm not saying Miller and
those types are are He's saying it.

1499
01:23:31.319 --> 01:23:35.720
There is a very Midwestern quality that
is a good thing here. It's I

1500
01:23:35.760 --> 01:23:39.720
always think of Wayne's World when it
was in the basement versus Wayne's world when

1501
01:23:39.760 --> 01:23:42.600
they got bought out by the TV
station and you lose a little bit,

1502
01:23:42.640 --> 01:23:45.239
you know, I think so yeah, I mean, you know, if

1503
01:23:45.279 --> 01:23:47.399
we ever move, then at some
points here we'll need a new mid Max

1504
01:23:47.399 --> 01:23:49.439
studio. And so I was already
starting to think about that idea. I'm

1505
01:23:49.479 --> 01:23:53.640
just like, Okay, how do
you make a new studio that still feels

1506
01:23:54.199 --> 01:23:57.920
cozy, because like our studio now
is just like we angle the camera very

1507
01:23:57.920 --> 01:24:01.079
specifically so it looks okay. But
I've been in there a bunch. You

1508
01:24:01.159 --> 01:24:04.479
got the laundry machines on a concrete
floor right next to there. You step

1509
01:24:04.520 --> 01:24:09.640
outside, it's a mess. But
on camera, I think it looks fine,

1510
01:24:09.640 --> 01:24:11.640
and it's like people want I think
it looks great. I think it

1511
01:24:11.640 --> 01:24:14.399
looks better than fine. I think
it's really great. And like the stuff

1512
01:24:14.439 --> 01:24:15.720
you do with you make use of
that space. We don't need anything else.

1513
01:24:15.760 --> 01:24:18.800
Yeah, we have a TV from
Game Reformer from twenty ten. It's

1514
01:24:18.800 --> 01:24:21.039
like, what do we know?
Do we need some four K TV to

1515
01:24:21.159 --> 01:24:24.319
play games of this? And we're
fine. Half of me wants to,

1516
01:24:24.439 --> 01:24:26.199
like, you know, ring your
neck and be like what are you doing?

1517
01:24:26.319 --> 01:24:28.439
You can you can run a studio, get a better TV, And

1518
01:24:28.479 --> 01:24:30.960
then half of me is like,
yeah, you're good. Good it.

1519
01:24:30.399 --> 01:24:34.000
It's not going to really change from
the viewers perspective if you're happy with it,

1520
01:24:34.119 --> 01:24:36.399
and the people that are happy with
it, like, then what's the

1521
01:24:36.439 --> 01:24:40.399
problem. Yeah, But then again, I'm too content with everything, so

1522
01:24:40.399 --> 01:24:42.960
it's signed to have somebody kick my
ass every once in a while, like

1523
01:24:43.039 --> 01:24:45.840
Sarah Pazorski on the Midmax team,
who's like, dude, these chairs suck

1524
01:24:46.000 --> 01:24:47.720
in the studio. Why aren't you
getting their chairs? Like? What do

1525
01:24:47.800 --> 01:24:51.119
you you sit on them? Their
chairs. Who cares and there's like can

1526
01:24:51.119 --> 01:24:56.720
you just get some comfortab really?
Yeah? So that was the That was

1527
01:24:56.760 --> 01:24:59.560
a big back and forth and eventually
like I need a stream and we surprised

1528
01:24:59.600 --> 01:25:01.520
her with new chairs and like took
them out of like this Heidi holes the

1529
01:25:01.520 --> 01:25:04.199
big reveal and stuff, which was
fun. But then it was like then

1530
01:25:04.239 --> 01:25:06.000
after that, I was like,
oh, of course, new chair.

1531
01:25:06.079 --> 01:25:10.000
Yeah, we should have comfortable chairs
when we're doing podcasts. So like I

1532
01:25:10.079 --> 01:25:13.600
have a weird blind set. It's
like a I don't know, I'm colorblind

1533
01:25:13.640 --> 01:25:16.880
when it comes to quality. No, but just like I did certain point

1534
01:25:16.880 --> 01:25:18.479
that I did talk to her about
it, like, by the way,

1535
01:25:18.520 --> 01:25:23.159
there's other stuff like that that seems
like obvious that we're not doing in the

1536
01:25:23.199 --> 01:25:26.880
studio that would make everybody more comfortable, Like please let me know, because

1537
01:25:26.920 --> 01:25:28.319
in my mind's like, well,
we have a camera, we have a

1538
01:25:28.319 --> 01:25:32.039
place for games, and the personalities
are what matter. I would think that,

1539
01:25:32.399 --> 01:25:34.520
you know, I know, I
think most people that are on mid

1540
01:25:34.600 --> 01:25:38.239
max and stuff like that, and
I would think that in that really like

1541
01:25:38.880 --> 01:25:42.000
me and you friends and coworkers and
peers and stuff like that. But in

1542
01:25:42.119 --> 01:25:45.600
that context, I've always found you
extremely easy to talk to about anything,

1543
01:25:45.920 --> 01:25:47.800
even if it's you know, uncomfortable
topic and anything like that. It's I've

1544
01:25:47.840 --> 01:25:53.039
never thought twice about approaching you with
honest thoughts about something. I would imagine

1545
01:25:53.039 --> 01:25:57.159
that carries over to like you're kind
of like technically a boss of It's well,

1546
01:25:57.159 --> 01:26:00.560
it's confusing, Yeah, it's because
I mean, you're you're writing the

1547
01:26:00.640 --> 01:26:02.920
checks, so that alone kind of
but the money is coming from the patron

1548
01:26:02.960 --> 01:26:05.840
supporters, right, and so it's
fure I'm only full time person the contractors,

1549
01:26:05.880 --> 01:26:09.800
so like, I don't think contractors
called the figure of boss. So

1550
01:26:09.840 --> 01:26:13.439
I hey, man, I'm not
a boss. That's what it is.

1551
01:26:13.479 --> 01:26:16.279
Like, I consider myself I'm the
I'm the banker in the Monopoly game of

1552
01:26:16.359 --> 01:26:19.720
mind Max, where the money is
in there already and I'm just managing it

1553
01:26:19.840 --> 01:26:25.199
for other people. Okay, but
I would imagine, and I can't speak

1554
01:26:25.239 --> 01:26:27.479
for them, but like, knowing
you the way I do, I would

1555
01:26:27.520 --> 01:26:31.199
imagine that I would hope that it's
easy to approach you with things and talk

1556
01:26:31.239 --> 01:26:33.920
about things, whether it's you know, what shows they're going to be on,

1557
01:26:34.039 --> 01:26:36.359
you know, money situations things like
that, like do you do you

1558
01:26:36.439 --> 01:26:39.680
feel like do you strive for that
or do you think that comes naturally?

1559
01:26:39.880 --> 01:26:42.239
I no, Yeah, I think
so, Yeah, I hope. So,

1560
01:26:42.399 --> 01:26:45.439
Like we do check in like one
on one calls every three months,

1561
01:26:45.840 --> 01:26:47.439
and that's like when the new contract
rolls in and stuff like that. Just

1562
01:26:47.560 --> 01:26:50.640
kind of it's a nice time just
to reset every three months and just kind

1563
01:26:50.640 --> 01:26:55.079
of checking with everybody's the other doing
one on one. Where I get worried

1564
01:26:55.079 --> 01:26:57.079
about it is I was like,
oh man, if this is too much

1565
01:26:57.239 --> 01:27:02.039
like employee review feeling every three months
to pull out my mouth. So it's

1566
01:27:02.039 --> 01:27:04.680
like every I need to remind myself
like oh I think this would better be

1567
01:27:04.760 --> 01:27:06.720
better. But like I noticed this, if you do this differently, it's

1568
01:27:06.720 --> 01:27:11.039
like, Okay, I'm trying to
like minimize those notes in these discussions unless

1569
01:27:11.119 --> 01:27:13.720
there's like something that's really eating me
alive with the most parts, like Okay,

1570
01:27:13.840 --> 01:27:15.760
how's your schedule looking in the next
three months? You know what,

1571
01:27:15.920 --> 01:27:16.680
what's stress you out of the last
three months, that type of thing.

1572
01:27:16.920 --> 01:27:21.680
But this is getting too much into
the you know, being a bus it's

1573
01:27:21.760 --> 01:27:25.279
tough. It's tough to be a
founder of a company. And I just

1574
01:27:25.359 --> 01:27:28.239
that's a you know, I've always
worked for like big corporations, right,

1575
01:27:28.479 --> 01:27:33.159
And like I've always like I've done
Patreon stuff before, but like I've always

1576
01:27:33.399 --> 01:27:39.279
been very curious about what that feels
like, both in your position and working

1577
01:27:39.319 --> 01:27:41.319
for someone or working as a team, like you know, kind of funny

1578
01:27:41.319 --> 01:27:43.920
and everything. Like it's just got
to change everything. Like I always feel

1579
01:27:43.920 --> 01:27:46.800
like it would drive me nuts were
month to month looking at the numbers because

1580
01:27:46.880 --> 01:27:49.720
I would look every I would look
every fucking day at the numbers, you

1581
01:27:49.800 --> 01:27:54.600
know, and every time there's a
drop, I would attribute that to something.

1582
01:27:54.680 --> 01:27:57.119
Every time there's a rise, I
would attribute to something when sometimes that's

1583
01:27:57.159 --> 01:28:00.000
just not how it works. Like
I don't know I or do you feel

1584
01:28:00.159 --> 01:28:03.119
like you work well with that type
of stress or comfort with it? I

1585
01:28:03.159 --> 01:28:06.399
Mean the big thing that was stressed
me out a lot is when we launched,

1586
01:28:06.439 --> 01:28:11.560
we had a couple like we focus
more on kind of some bigger tiers

1587
01:28:11.640 --> 01:28:14.279
on Patreon where it was like,
hey, jump in at the four hundred

1588
01:28:14.319 --> 01:28:18.800
dollars tier and you can hear me
out and we'll say hello to you.

1589
01:28:20.680 --> 01:28:24.239
No, that was for an ad
slot on the podcast. Oh well then

1590
01:28:24.279 --> 01:28:26.720
that's like a business can like or
an indie game or something, Right,

1591
01:28:27.000 --> 01:28:30.119
did you find that's who's using that
slot. Well yeah, so it was

1592
01:28:30.239 --> 01:28:31.600
kind of in that era. But
then to be like, okay, three

1593
01:28:31.600 --> 01:28:34.039
people jump in this month, next
month, you don't have any people,

1594
01:28:34.319 --> 01:28:38.800
and so you'd be looking at the
graph of the Patreon and it'd be like

1595
01:28:39.199 --> 01:28:44.479
huge plummet and so that would just
be horrifying to see. And so eventually

1596
01:28:44.479 --> 01:28:46.039
we got rid of that and we
work through an ad company. Now it's

1597
01:28:46.039 --> 01:28:51.199
like, let's just keep the patron
supporters smaller so the number isn't so wild

1598
01:28:51.239 --> 01:28:55.760
because you're trying to budget things and
that gets scarier. It's like our budgeting

1599
01:28:55.840 --> 01:28:58.079
this much and we're gonna have this
much wiggle room this month, but then

1600
01:28:58.119 --> 01:29:00.560
if the number goes down, I
don't want to be in the red on

1601
01:29:00.600 --> 01:29:02.119
a month to month basis. Blah
blah blah blah. And so that was

1602
01:29:02.159 --> 01:29:06.079
a little bit stressful. But then
like taking that ad thing out and focusing

1603
01:29:06.119 --> 01:29:10.640
on just communicating to the mid meximuity
of like find the tier that's sustainable for

1604
01:29:10.680 --> 01:29:13.840
you, because that is how we
can get the best read like, don't

1605
01:29:13.880 --> 01:29:15.119
be like, oh, I'm gonna
be at the twenty dollars tier. It's

1606
01:29:15.199 --> 01:29:16.960
kind of tight. Every month,
but I really want to do it.

1607
01:29:17.079 --> 01:29:19.960
But it's like, don't stretch.
Don't stretch. Find something that works within

1608
01:29:20.039 --> 01:29:23.439
your current lifestyle. Five bucks a
month, two bucks a months, whatever

1609
01:29:23.439 --> 01:29:27.000
you need to do, Like be
a small brick in that wall, because

1610
01:29:27.000 --> 01:29:30.039
the bigger brick you are, when
it crumbles, it hurts, you know,

1611
01:29:30.159 --> 01:29:32.079
So it's like we need to Yeah, budgeting is a weird thing in

1612
01:29:32.119 --> 01:29:35.199
the Patreon world, right, it
is so fascinating, Like, and I've

1613
01:29:35.239 --> 01:29:40.079
talked about this since you started midmax, but like just seeing the you know,

1614
01:29:40.159 --> 01:29:43.199
from you being the video guy who
didn't want to be on a microphone

1615
01:29:43.279 --> 01:29:45.600
during replay to like suddenly oh,
hosting stuff, okay, all right,

1616
01:29:45.640 --> 01:29:49.079
and then now like hearing you talk
about like just ends and outs of a

1617
01:29:49.119 --> 01:29:54.560
Patreon business. And it's just it
has been very fascinating as a friend to

1618
01:29:54.760 --> 01:29:58.359
watch your progression over the years and
it's like it's it's really incredible, and

1619
01:29:58.520 --> 01:30:00.680
I talk it up a lot,
and yeah, it's just you're you're doing

1620
01:30:00.720 --> 01:30:03.039
good stuff. Hey, thank you
so much. Yes, it's trying not

1621
01:30:03.119 --> 01:30:05.039
to blow it. It really is. Like I was talking to Joe By

1622
01:30:05.079 --> 01:30:09.239
this other day because I was venting
a little bit about some small things to

1623
01:30:09.319 --> 01:30:14.720
Joe, and then it's like always
just reminding myself saying to him, like,

1624
01:30:14.880 --> 01:30:16.720
I really do think that I do
have the best job in the game

1625
01:30:16.760 --> 01:30:21.760
industry. You don't answer to any
corporate shit heads. You do anything you

1626
01:30:21.840 --> 01:30:25.640
want to. You can hopefully well, I mean, it's not too out

1627
01:30:25.680 --> 01:30:28.199
of control, but you do a
lot of we choose. I see you

1628
01:30:28.279 --> 01:30:30.239
do stuff like it's like, oh, we're just going to play a real

1629
01:30:30.319 --> 01:30:32.680
game of By the way, I'm
I'm specifically trying not to use wrestling term,

1630
01:30:32.760 --> 01:30:35.119
Like I just said the word real
and I stopped myself from saying,

1631
01:30:35.119 --> 01:30:38.279
shoot, because you're not. I
appreciate that, yes, you know,

1632
01:30:38.319 --> 01:30:41.279
I mean yeah, but I was
seeing you play a real game of tennis,

1633
01:30:41.680 --> 01:30:44.199
seeing the fucking the thing you had
me come on with Leo, with

1634
01:30:44.239 --> 01:30:47.319
the the drive through thing that's just
a letterman bit. Oh yeah, yeah

1635
01:30:47.359 --> 01:30:49.640
like that. Whenever like you tell
me about that stuff, it's just like,

1636
01:30:49.680 --> 01:30:53.880
oh my god, this is just
amazing. And that's that's the greatest

1637
01:30:54.279 --> 01:30:55.880
I don't know it, it's the
best feeling in the world to be like,

1638
01:30:55.960 --> 01:30:57.800
we don't need to run this by
anybody. It's like, if we

1639
01:30:57.840 --> 01:31:00.239
have this some Ladia, are you
guys game okay? With the community like

1640
01:31:00.279 --> 01:31:01.159
it? Okay, great, let's
just do it. It's not going to

1641
01:31:01.199 --> 01:31:03.079
be the most thought out, freaking
think of the world. The production might

1642
01:31:03.159 --> 01:31:05.439
be, you know, I think
it's good enough, but like you know,

1643
01:31:05.600 --> 01:31:09.399
when we're going like on the road
and doing those live streams and stuff

1644
01:31:09.399 --> 01:31:11.640
for New Show Plus on the road, then it's like, okay, you

1645
01:31:11.720 --> 01:31:13.960
know, it might be a little
dodgy with the internet connection every once in

1646
01:31:14.000 --> 01:31:16.479
a while, but like, who
cares if people are horrified by it,

1647
01:31:16.520 --> 01:31:18.920
they don't have to watch that video, But like you get the idea and

1648
01:31:19.079 --> 01:31:23.039
just to go from Okay, this
is too much of a pitch stuff,

1649
01:31:23.079 --> 01:31:26.720
right, But New Show Plus for
Midmax we pitch four new shows every week

1650
01:31:27.159 --> 01:31:30.840
and then let the community on Patreon
vote for which new show they we create

1651
01:31:30.920 --> 01:31:33.600
or continue, and then the next
week we pitch four new shows. But

1652
01:31:33.680 --> 01:31:39.079
one of those shows is the follow
up episodes. So episode two to whatever

1653
01:31:39.119 --> 01:31:41.279
won the previous week. So if
you want to see this, keep going.

1654
01:31:41.600 --> 01:31:43.399
Yes, yeah, and we'll keep
doing it as long as you keep

1655
01:31:43.479 --> 01:31:45.479
voting for it. And it's just
like it's it wasn't even my idea.

1656
01:31:45.479 --> 01:31:47.640
I think it was Anna and Leo's
idea, and it's just become like,

1657
01:31:47.640 --> 01:31:50.159
oh, of course, that's the
core for having variety for an outlet,

1658
01:31:50.199 --> 01:31:54.279
because it's always going to shake up, and if a show is kind of

1659
01:31:54.279 --> 01:31:56.800
getting long in the tooth, it's
going to die naturally because people won't vote

1660
01:31:56.800 --> 01:31:59.279
for it, and there's going to
be a variety every week. And it's

1661
01:31:59.319 --> 01:32:01.880
just so fun to like to be
in the Monday meeting come up with those

1662
01:32:01.960 --> 01:32:05.920
four ideas, like, uh,
does this work? If we just go

1663
01:32:06.000 --> 01:32:09.199
eat at a red lobster? Is
that a show? I think that's a

1664
01:32:09.239 --> 01:32:11.920
show? You want it? They
want it, Then they vote for it

1665
01:32:11.920 --> 01:32:15.279
and say great by you know,
within twenty four hours. Then it's like

1666
01:32:15.319 --> 01:32:16.239
all right, listen to the show, get it out there, it's done.

1667
01:32:16.399 --> 01:32:20.960
Moving on. If you end up
having like several pitches out there that

1668
01:32:21.479 --> 01:32:24.680
any one of them you could have
to act on, like yeah, I

1669
01:32:24.800 --> 01:32:27.640
think shows and features and stuff like
that, doesn't like it could be hard

1670
01:32:27.680 --> 01:32:30.279
to think of a good idea and
for you to like pitch several every week.

1671
01:32:30.560 --> 01:32:31.680
Yeah, and then like okay,
we'll see which one, like three

1672
01:32:31.680 --> 01:32:34.680
of them go in the trash,
like yeah, but I mean it's it's

1673
01:32:34.720 --> 01:32:36.920
fine, and like they need to
be stuff that we need to that were

1674
01:32:38.000 --> 01:32:40.119
up for doing. You know,
it went up with dangerous stuff on there.

1675
01:32:40.159 --> 01:32:43.960
But I mean look, I mean
here, next week we'll put maybe

1676
01:32:44.079 --> 01:32:45.319
pumpkin carving. We did that last
year. It's like, can we bring

1677
01:32:45.399 --> 01:32:50.000
that back. It's not like breaking
the mind bring bank to come up with

1678
01:32:50.079 --> 01:32:55.319
these ideas. Sure, sure,
let's see going to the Malibu Barbie Cafe,

1679
01:32:55.439 --> 01:32:59.439
opening them all of America. We
wrote down the name of a show

1680
01:32:59.520 --> 01:33:03.039
called Horror Scirrel Tower of Death.
I think details were TVA on that one.

1681
01:33:03.119 --> 01:33:05.600
But we'll figure it out. What
say, if we'll figure it out.

1682
01:33:05.640 --> 01:33:09.079
There's there's been a couple instances of
that, like we'll figure this out

1683
01:33:09.159 --> 01:33:13.159
later. Yeah, excellent, Yeah, that's fun video games? Right?

1684
01:33:13.600 --> 01:33:16.239
Yeah? Are we doing ads?
They get shoved in there. Oh,

1685
01:33:16.279 --> 01:33:18.840
we don't have to do ads.
We're good. Oh you don't do Okay,

1686
01:33:18.960 --> 01:33:24.479
No, you'll probably hear some ads
starting right for the ads that double

1687
01:33:24.520 --> 01:33:27.159
upcause I undstand a listener that's frustrating
and I hear your pain. Here's the

1688
01:33:27.239 --> 01:33:30.359
deal. I see that too,
but it sucks. Look, I don't

1689
01:33:30.399 --> 01:33:32.600
listen to a lot of podcasts.
The one I listen to is Deadlock,

1690
01:33:32.800 --> 01:33:35.920
and I set them up with the
same place that we do ours. And

1691
01:33:36.159 --> 01:33:40.159
I'm a listener of Deadlock, and
so I'll sit there and I'm going on

1692
01:33:40.239 --> 01:33:43.199
a walk or whatever, and I
you know, the ads start. I

1693
01:33:43.319 --> 01:33:45.560
hit thirty seconds forward. Okay,
Oh it's same ad. Okay, thirty

1694
01:33:45.560 --> 01:33:48.239
seconds forward, okay, same one, thirty second sword Okay, the show's

1695
01:33:48.279 --> 01:33:51.640
back. Honestly, I know some
people are bugged by it. It's just

1696
01:33:51.720 --> 01:33:56.640
the way programmatic ads work. And
just fucking use the thirty seconds. You

1697
01:33:56.840 --> 01:34:00.439
do what you gotta do. But
ad free for the patrons. That's all

1698
01:34:00.520 --> 01:34:03.119
right. This is a threat like
Mary's winning a lot of money at the

1699
01:34:03.199 --> 01:34:08.000
Las Vegas Casino. Mary's winning a
lot of money. It's the Las of

1700
01:34:08.000 --> 01:34:10.720
phasers. Am I going mad?
I you hear it on Deadlock all the

1701
01:34:10.800 --> 01:34:13.319
time. Hey, Dollary a bit. Here's what's important, Dan, Let's

1702
01:34:13.319 --> 01:34:16.079
get to those ads. Let's get
to those ads. Except for you Patreon

1703
01:34:16.159 --> 01:34:20.479
folks, I gotta go pee.
Yeah, we're gonna get us roller here.

1704
01:34:20.960 --> 01:34:24.359
Ben, I find it difficult to
talk to you. So it's a

1705
01:34:24.399 --> 01:34:27.159
good thing. There's a lot of
games this week to talk about. To

1706
01:34:27.199 --> 01:34:29.760
fill the time. Yeah, thank
god, that's something to talk about.

1707
01:34:29.840 --> 01:34:32.359
It is, uh, maybe the
most This is maybe the most games I've

1708
01:34:32.399 --> 01:34:35.800
had written down ever for a game
section there. Yeah, I mean a

1709
01:34:35.840 --> 01:34:40.439
lot of it's just dabblin, you
know, dabbling. Sure. I mean

1710
01:34:40.520 --> 01:34:45.520
Friday October twentieth with Mario Wonder and
Speederman two. I think it's the best

1711
01:34:45.840 --> 01:34:47.760
single day for game releases. If
you want to be a gross Metacritic person,

1712
01:34:48.159 --> 01:34:53.159
is this portal Mortal Kombat reboot day? It's tied than that. I

1713
01:34:53.199 --> 01:34:55.359
mean, what is the Mortal Kombat
nine? What could that be out of

1714
01:34:55.439 --> 01:35:00.119
Metacritic? Oh, let's guess Mortal
Combat nine, eighty eighty six. That

1715
01:35:00.279 --> 01:35:04.079
what would Metacritic list it as Mortal
Kombat twenty twelve eleven? Okay, you're

1716
01:35:04.079 --> 01:35:09.760
saying eighty six? Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna say eighty eight. Okay.

1717
01:35:11.960 --> 01:35:15.800
The answer is, as it's loading, it's loading eighty six. WHOA,

1718
01:35:15.039 --> 01:35:19.720
nicely done, very good. I'm
impressed, man, great gay Yeah.

1719
01:35:19.760 --> 01:35:25.079
Okay, So Spider Man and uh
Mario Wonders. So spider Man,

1720
01:35:25.279 --> 01:35:29.079
have you talked Spider Man a lot? Yeah? And your stuff already yeah,

1721
01:35:29.279 --> 01:35:30.560
yeah, we did the decent amount
two So I'm trying to think.

1722
01:35:30.800 --> 01:35:32.800
I'm happy to talk about it again. I freaking love that's, yeah,

1723
01:35:32.800 --> 01:35:35.520
because I haven't talked to you about
it. You're eleving it. Yeah,

1724
01:35:35.520 --> 01:35:40.119
I beat it. I'm only I'm
like, I beat it, and I'm

1725
01:35:40.199 --> 01:35:43.079
sixty nine percent of the way through
everything. But it seems like a pretty

1726
01:35:43.079 --> 01:35:45.079
easy one to get everything for us. I feel like I'm like over seventy

1727
01:35:45.279 --> 01:35:48.600
and I stopped with and I have
ten story missions to go. Oh yeah,

1728
01:35:48.600 --> 01:35:51.159
there's a story yet that's the thing. I did like every side thing

1729
01:35:51.520 --> 01:35:55.319
that build out the skill treets well, because I love the side stuff.

1730
01:35:55.520 --> 01:35:58.399
It's been super fun. I think
that stuff is good, but I just

1731
01:35:59.119 --> 01:36:00.479
I don't like the story missions.
I'll tell where I stopped. Yeah,

1732
01:36:00.720 --> 01:36:03.960
was it was one? Where's where
was your spoiler level at? I feel

1733
01:36:03.960 --> 01:36:09.199
like you're a little faster and looser
than we are. But mmm, okay,

1734
01:36:09.239 --> 01:36:12.000
no specifics. Well, we'll talk
about like the format of a mission,

1735
01:36:12.359 --> 01:36:15.159
but not like what happened in the
larger story. Okay, so it's

1736
01:36:15.239 --> 01:36:18.279
one of those where like, look, I I know I've never been a

1737
01:36:18.319 --> 01:36:20.560
big marble guy or whatever, and
I'm not here just shit on that or

1738
01:36:20.600 --> 01:36:25.960
anything, but I really like Spider
Man one and Miles morals, and even

1739
01:36:26.039 --> 01:36:28.119
like the story stuffware, it didn't
really bother me, you know, like

1740
01:36:28.159 --> 01:36:32.239
all this stuff around it was so
good that like even it didn't bother me,

1741
01:36:32.520 --> 01:36:34.079
Like I think of, like I
don't know, like the end of

1742
01:36:34.119 --> 01:36:36.800
Spider Man twenty eighteen, big emotional
scene, You're like, well, this

1743
01:36:36.920 --> 01:36:40.319
isn't bothering me? Is that the
one? I think that's the one I

1744
01:36:40.359 --> 01:36:44.760
stopped half way through? Is that
the Michael Keaton one, Spider No No,

1745
01:36:44.880 --> 01:36:47.640
the game from Oh the game,
the game I platinumed? Both those,

1746
01:36:47.680 --> 01:36:51.640
I think, OK, this one. So it's kind of like the

1747
01:36:51.680 --> 01:36:56.319
problem that when I saw the state
of play or whatever it was that showed

1748
01:36:56.359 --> 01:36:59.319
that long fucking mission with the jet
skis and all that stuff, and it's

1749
01:36:59.439 --> 01:37:02.840
like, there's a lot of that, and I think this game starts with

1750
01:37:03.000 --> 01:37:08.960
a lot of that. There's a
big spectacular set piece thing. So really

1751
01:37:09.039 --> 01:37:12.960
I hated it. I almost stopped
at the beginning of this game. Hang

1752
01:37:13.039 --> 01:37:15.840
on, am I hallucinating? I
swear to guy, I talk to you

1753
01:37:15.880 --> 01:37:16.760
about starting this game, and you're
like, oh, it as a set

1754
01:37:16.760 --> 01:37:20.399
piece of the gate that's awesome.
That was not me because I almost stopped

1755
01:37:20.399 --> 01:37:25.560
playing because of that the first like
hour. What yeah, that was not

1756
01:37:25.720 --> 01:37:29.000
me. You're talking about there's a
big thing throwing a bunch of things and

1757
01:37:29.199 --> 01:37:31.640
the city is in trouble, like
and you said, no, go mister

1758
01:37:31.720 --> 01:37:35.520
spectacle yourself, no, because I
keep in my head I just kept thinking

1759
01:37:35.680 --> 01:37:39.680
of God of War two back in
the day. Yeah, yeah, the

1760
01:37:39.760 --> 01:37:42.640
Shadow of Roads or Shadow Roads,
Clossus to Roads thing or whatever, the

1761
01:37:42.720 --> 01:37:45.159
Cody of Roads. WHOA, Okay, look, this is no wrestling podcast.

1762
01:37:46.600 --> 01:37:51.319
It was big and spectacular and technically
impressive, but like you know,

1763
01:37:51.439 --> 01:37:55.199
in God of War, I remember, first of all, it was two

1764
01:37:55.199 --> 01:37:58.119
thousand and seven or whatever, so
it was like very kind of new and

1765
01:37:58.199 --> 01:38:00.399
fresh and everything, but there were
still like your fighting smaller enemies and you're

1766
01:38:00.399 --> 01:38:03.439
actually having to kind of like pay
attention to some stuff and crowd control and

1767
01:38:03.479 --> 01:38:06.039
watch certain meters and stuff like that. Like you know, like it was

1768
01:38:06.079 --> 01:38:09.119
a it was a real boss fight, you know, on top of the

1769
01:38:09.159 --> 01:38:13.359
spectacle. And now when you go
this far and what is it, twenty

1770
01:38:13.760 --> 01:38:15.960
fifteen years in the future something like
that, I feel like that spectacle of

1771
01:38:16.000 --> 01:38:18.880
seeing a big thing fuck up a
city or whatever, even though it's fidelity

1772
01:38:18.920 --> 01:38:23.039
wise so much more impressive. Yeah, overall was not really doing it for

1773
01:38:23.119 --> 01:38:26.600
me. It wasn't moving the needle, but also gameplay wise was the real

1774
01:38:26.680 --> 01:38:29.119
sin for me, and that like
I felt like it was playing itself.

1775
01:38:29.239 --> 01:38:31.840
It's a set piece, I know, but there's so many other boss fights

1776
01:38:31.880 --> 01:38:35.119
in the game that are actually like
learn the combat. I thought they were

1777
01:38:35.119 --> 01:38:40.359
pretty weak too, like the story
mission, like the yeah, the rogues

1778
01:38:40.399 --> 01:38:48.800
gallery of the breaks, like me
needs company group that Cinistas six look it

1779
01:38:48.880 --> 01:38:53.760
up. I like, Look,
there's a lot that I like a lot

1780
01:38:53.800 --> 01:38:56.720
about this game. In fact,
overall, my thoughts are extremely positive on

1781
01:38:56.760 --> 01:38:59.560
this game. I want to be
very c I would to make it very

1782
01:38:59.600 --> 01:39:02.000
clear. I think if this were
a Game Informer, which I know I

1783
01:39:02.119 --> 01:39:04.600
work at a place that kind of
does reviews now and it's a five star

1784
01:39:04.640 --> 01:39:06.960
scale, but I've always liked the
ten star scale or ten to ten point

1785
01:39:08.000 --> 01:39:11.720
scale. I think this is a
solid eight for me. But there are

1786
01:39:11.760 --> 01:39:14.319
parts of it that I think are
ten, and there are parts of it

1787
01:39:14.359 --> 01:39:17.239
that I think are six. But
having a problem with like the opening big

1788
01:39:17.359 --> 01:39:20.000
set piece thing, which is like, I don't know, ten minutes,

1789
01:39:20.000 --> 01:39:21.920
it was like, let's just get
it. It's much longer than that,

1790
01:39:23.000 --> 01:39:27.680
and like it feels like it's very
Simon says, it's very something's gonna get

1791
01:39:27.680 --> 01:39:30.680
thrown at you and then slow down, press circle to you know, like

1792
01:39:30.079 --> 01:39:32.680
it's at But it goes on for
it's not ten minutes. It goes on

1793
01:39:32.760 --> 01:39:35.800
a lot longer than that, and
it takes I feel like it was the

1794
01:39:35.920 --> 01:39:39.319
better part of an hour before I
felt like it kind of opened up.

1795
01:39:40.520 --> 01:39:43.840
And once it opened up, because
I really was about to be like,

1796
01:39:43.880 --> 01:39:45.560
Okay, I can see there's gonna
be a whole lot of this. I

1797
01:39:45.600 --> 01:39:47.600
saw this stay to play a thing
I've played this first hour or whatever.

1798
01:39:47.920 --> 01:39:50.079
It's gonna be a lot of this. I just don't think. I think

1799
01:39:50.119 --> 01:39:53.119
I get it. I think I
see what this is. I was ready

1800
01:39:53.159 --> 01:39:56.840
to throw in the towel, and
I'm glad I kept pushing because I had

1801
01:39:56.920 --> 01:40:01.600
like twenty five hours of it and
really enjoyed most of it. The worst

1802
01:40:01.760 --> 01:40:05.479
swinging around, I mean, it's
amazing. It's amazing. That'st traversal side

1803
01:40:05.520 --> 01:40:10.920
of that opening thing in the opening, it's really okay. Sure, once

1804
01:40:10.960 --> 01:40:13.199
you're opened up. The swinging around, first of all, it's always been

1805
01:40:13.239 --> 01:40:15.520
good it was good in the fucking
GameCube game. It was you know,

1806
01:40:15.680 --> 01:40:17.039
it's been good for a long it's
better now. It's the best it's ever

1807
01:40:17.119 --> 01:40:20.720
been. Now I meet the record
by five hundredfold. It is. And

1808
01:40:20.760 --> 01:40:25.840
the stuff they've added even over Miles
Morales and the twenty eighteen one fantastic.

1809
01:40:25.880 --> 01:40:28.279
Like I like being able to like
jump super high in the air right away.

1810
01:40:28.359 --> 01:40:30.560
I like doing the loop de loop
when I'm coming down in the dive.

1811
01:40:30.119 --> 01:40:33.159
I like the super sling shot to
go across like full like you know,

1812
01:40:33.279 --> 01:40:38.640
parts of the water and everything.
Switching between Miles and Peter is really

1813
01:40:38.720 --> 01:40:42.159
cool and how seamless, and when
you fast travel or switch and it's just

1814
01:40:42.239 --> 01:40:45.079
like not a fucking second of load. It's like you're just there running into

1815
01:40:45.239 --> 01:40:48.439
the other Spider Man and going around
like this is the coolest thing. You're

1816
01:40:48.439 --> 01:40:50.359
in the middle of a fight and
you do a thing to kill him and

1817
01:40:50.359 --> 01:40:53.159
you expect the slow down, and
then all of a sudden, like oh

1818
01:40:53.159 --> 01:40:55.399
shit, Miles is here and he's
something and they say something. They have

1819
01:40:55.399 --> 01:40:57.479
a nice lab like hey, what
wonderhere? You're gonna show up all right?

1820
01:40:57.520 --> 01:41:00.920
See, Like it's it's so believable
work yes, and that is the

1821
01:41:01.000 --> 01:41:04.399
stuff I love. I really in
the web wing stuff works really well.

1822
01:41:04.479 --> 01:41:08.439
It doesn't like overpower you too much
towards and why would ever swing like you

1823
01:41:08.560 --> 01:41:11.439
need to swing? You need to
do all that stuff. It's great and

1824
01:41:11.520 --> 01:41:14.920
so like most of my time enjoying
it was like swinging around. I bought

1825
01:41:14.960 --> 01:41:16.399
the upgrade where it's like I can
see all the like stashes. I can

1826
01:41:16.439 --> 01:41:19.840
see all you know, the little
chests and the prowler stashes, and every

1827
01:41:19.920 --> 01:41:23.600
crime that pops up, I go
and do it every I did every photo.

1828
01:41:24.039 --> 01:41:26.640
Maybe you're burning yourself out. I
mean no, no, I never

1829
01:41:26.720 --> 01:41:29.199
got burnt out on that stuff.
I got burned out on the story mission.

1830
01:41:29.239 --> 01:41:30.199
So I got you a point where
I had done like all of the

1831
01:41:30.319 --> 01:41:32.800
side stuff that I could do,
which was a lot. I think there's

1832
01:41:33.319 --> 01:41:36.319
one or two like things that you
have to like get to a certain point

1833
01:41:36.319 --> 01:41:40.680
in the story before I unlocks like
the certain like collecting the instruments and doing

1834
01:41:40.760 --> 01:41:43.239
all. I did all of that
stuff and loved all of it, okay,

1835
01:41:43.560 --> 01:41:45.199
And then I got to a point
where it's like, shit, I've

1836
01:41:45.279 --> 01:41:48.039
kind of gotten all the upgrades where
I've at least seen what all the upgrades

1837
01:41:48.039 --> 01:41:50.600
are. I've done all these side
things, I've done every photo, I've

1838
01:41:50.640 --> 01:41:54.439
done all that. And I was
at twenty one out of thirty one missions

1839
01:41:54.479 --> 01:41:56.800
done, and I was like,
all right, I know I don't love

1840
01:41:57.079 --> 01:42:00.399
the story missions so much here,
but you know, let's see it through.

1841
01:42:00.560 --> 01:42:01.520
I really like this game a lot, and I went to go start

1842
01:42:02.039 --> 01:42:04.880
one and it was one of those
like I'm Mary Jane, I need to

1843
01:42:04.920 --> 01:42:08.319
sneak through this house, sure,
and I was like, I just don't.

1844
01:42:08.560 --> 01:42:11.640
Some of these missions are like an
hour long, and like the cinematics

1845
01:42:11.640 --> 01:42:14.840
are extremely well done. I don't
know if I'm I wouldn't stop watching it

1846
01:42:14.920 --> 01:42:17.399
or anything, but I feel like
the Mary Jane stuff, if we're talking

1847
01:42:17.399 --> 01:42:19.960
about that, like, I totally
agree. I didn't like the Mile stuff

1848
01:42:20.039 --> 01:42:23.880
and the married Jane stuff from Spider
Man twenty eighteen, and so the first

1849
01:42:23.920 --> 01:42:25.800
time you're married Jane in this game, I was like, oh, no,

1850
01:42:26.239 --> 01:42:30.239
what are you doing? We love
how to Throw a Rock game because

1851
01:42:30.279 --> 01:42:33.920
we love swinging around and doing Spider
Man things, not slowly navigating a space.

1852
01:42:34.439 --> 01:42:36.840
And even if it's like she's a
little more badass than this one,

1853
01:42:36.920 --> 01:42:40.000
she's a moves. Was like Okay, you got like a zapper, like

1854
01:42:40.119 --> 01:42:43.520
she can go up. Yeah,
it's fine. Sure, But at the

1855
01:42:43.560 --> 01:42:46.159
same time, I was thankful that
it's like those missions, they're they're easy,

1856
01:42:46.399 --> 01:42:49.880
they're short, getting it out.
It's just kind of exposition sequence moving

1857
01:42:49.920 --> 01:42:53.720
on, and then you're back to
swinging around the city. Like is this

1858
01:42:53.800 --> 01:42:56.479
especially short? I don't think you're
spending an hour of Marria Jane. And

1859
01:42:56.640 --> 01:42:59.000
the Marria Jane was like no,
there was the one at the Zoo and

1860
01:42:59.159 --> 01:43:02.079
that was like maybe like fifteen minutes, and then it turns into like a

1861
01:43:02.119 --> 01:43:08.800
Spider Man thing. But like,
I just I I did those missions purely

1862
01:43:08.840 --> 01:43:14.319
out of necessity to move the story
forward. And when that's all I had

1863
01:43:14.439 --> 01:43:16.199
left and I'm just staring down the
barrel of this, it was like,

1864
01:43:16.760 --> 01:43:19.520
oh man, I just don't.
I don't went through the Mary Jane stuff

1865
01:43:19.520 --> 01:43:21.079
and then the rest is fine.
No, no, no, no,

1866
01:43:21.279 --> 01:43:25.199
even like the when you're playing is
Miles or Peter, like the story missions,

1867
01:43:25.239 --> 01:43:28.880
I just I'm not into like even
stuff that. Like I was kind

1868
01:43:28.920 --> 01:43:30.640
of into the story, the stuff
they were doing with the venom suit and

1869
01:43:30.640 --> 01:43:33.600
the sembio and all that stuff,
like it seems up your alley a little

1870
01:43:33.600 --> 01:43:38.439
bit. Ran Craven seemed alright.
I liked the idea of him like hunting

1871
01:43:38.520 --> 01:43:41.560
other super villains, and it's a
very like World's Most Dangerous Game thing or

1872
01:43:41.600 --> 01:43:45.279
the past. You know, it's
he was all right. I had no

1873
01:43:45.479 --> 01:43:48.079
I'd never heard of Craven before this
one. Never heard of him. He's

1874
01:43:48.119 --> 01:43:51.560
never like in a game, or
he must have been in some Spider Man

1875
01:43:51.680 --> 01:43:55.479
games, was he? I've only
the only Spidering movies I've seen are the

1876
01:43:55.520 --> 01:43:58.960
Tobey Maguire. He's never been in
a movie yet, but he's Sony's making

1877
01:43:59.000 --> 01:44:00.920
a movie. But he was fine. I thought it was all right,

1878
01:44:00.880 --> 01:44:06.560
It's fine, but like none of
that stuff moved the needle for me in

1879
01:44:06.600 --> 01:44:10.800
a way that were like, if
that's all I had left, I kind

1880
01:44:10.800 --> 01:44:12.560
of. I was fine, just
being like, all right, I'll set

1881
01:44:12.600 --> 01:44:15.960
the controller down. I enjoyed my
time with that. So you're gonna finish

1882
01:44:15.960 --> 01:44:18.000
it or not? No, I
can't imagine. I mean, I stopped

1883
01:44:18.039 --> 01:44:20.119
this was a week ago. I
stopped playing. I was, I was.

1884
01:44:20.279 --> 01:44:23.479
I love this game so much more
than I thought. Really, yeah,

1885
01:44:23.560 --> 01:44:26.159
yeah, where it's like the last
two games. I remember enjoying those

1886
01:44:26.199 --> 01:44:28.479
games and liking them, and I
went back and checked, like my top

1887
01:44:28.560 --> 01:44:31.079
tens for those years twenty teen and
twenty twenty. I was like, there

1888
01:44:31.119 --> 01:44:33.960
weren't any either the lists, Like
it seems weird not to be in the

1889
01:44:34.039 --> 01:44:38.319
top ten. And so that's why
I was so confused, because like,

1890
01:44:38.399 --> 01:44:41.199
man, I'm loving this so much. I feel like I needed to recalibrate.

1891
01:44:41.279 --> 01:44:45.119
Did I was I underappreciating how good
those games were and just how solid

1892
01:44:45.199 --> 01:44:47.199
and fun or is this just on
another level? And I think just the

1893
01:44:47.279 --> 01:44:51.960
animation work swinging around everything is so
smooth, Everything's so seamless, like it

1894
01:44:53.359 --> 01:44:55.439
is blowing me away. I mean, I think it's one of those impressive

1895
01:44:55.439 --> 01:44:58.199
games ever made. Like I think
just the level of protection going into this

1896
01:44:58.279 --> 01:45:00.920
thing, it's ridiculous. Yes,
And the stuff it does with like the

1897
01:45:00.960 --> 01:45:03.520
switching characters and stuff. It's I
just looked up my top ten games of

1898
01:45:03.560 --> 01:45:06.960
twenty eighteen. Where do you think
Spider Man landed? For me? It

1899
01:45:08.039 --> 01:45:11.880
feels like a number eight nine.
Let's see what landed above it? Super

1900
01:45:11.920 --> 01:45:15.800
Mario Party, of course, Super
Mario Party, everybody, Rainbow six Siege.

1901
01:45:16.680 --> 01:45:19.399
You probably were streaming it. No, No, this is before I

1902
01:45:19.479 --> 01:45:24.520
was streaming Maharty got me to play
some of it. Okay, but yeah

1903
01:45:24.520 --> 01:45:26.840
we played that together, didn't we. Oh yeah, think we did Spiral

1904
01:45:26.960 --> 01:45:31.039
Reignited six, it's great. Stand
by that, by that Astrobot Rescue missions.

1905
01:45:31.039 --> 01:45:33.560
Stand by that. That's my number
five. Okay, that's my number

1906
01:45:33.560 --> 01:45:39.600
five. Two hit Man two,
stand by that. Okay, uh Dead

1907
01:45:39.680 --> 01:45:44.640
Cells number three okay, tenris Effect
number two, that's my number ten.

1908
01:45:44.840 --> 01:45:47.199
Pretty high, but it's it's very
good. But it's a number one.

1909
01:45:47.680 --> 01:45:50.239
Got of War twenty eighteen. Yeah, there we go. Okay, so

1910
01:45:50.520 --> 01:45:57.039
well is there where's red Dead two? Is it a TYPEO? I'm gonna

1911
01:45:57.039 --> 01:45:59.600
look at the special mention, honor
role mentions. No, no, no,

1912
01:45:59.760 --> 01:46:01.640
that's well. We look forward to
the redemption coming from you in a

1913
01:46:01.680 --> 01:46:04.880
couple of years when you apologize for
words and deeds. I don't think we're

1914
01:46:04.880 --> 01:46:08.880
doing it's gonna happen, okay for
me, Number or twenty teen. Number

1915
01:46:08.920 --> 01:46:12.399
ten was Tutus Effect. Number nine
was Florence a like, uh no,

1916
01:46:12.640 --> 01:46:15.319
I remember people talking about it.
Okay, Number eight Drinking Quest eleven as

1917
01:46:15.359 --> 01:46:18.279
happy as they were, like yeah
that game good. Rule number seven sybnotica.

1918
01:46:18.880 --> 01:46:23.560
That's good. That's a good number
six drassiic World evolution actually stand a

1919
01:46:23.600 --> 01:46:27.720
legend for the VR one. Oh
oh yeah, yeah, you said evolution?

1920
01:46:27.840 --> 01:46:30.239
Or is that evolution of the park
Builder? Is it aftermath? Uh?

1921
01:46:30.399 --> 01:46:33.079
The VR one? We will talk
about the meda question in a bit

1922
01:46:33.119 --> 01:46:35.319
here. But I saw that I
didn't know if it was yeh, which

1923
01:46:35.359 --> 01:46:40.840
one it was? Then Astrobot,
then Smash Ultimate, that Smash Black Ops

1924
01:46:40.960 --> 01:46:44.439
four, Red Dead two Got a
War. We had a very similar list.

1925
01:46:45.359 --> 01:46:47.920
When was Miles Morales twenty twenty twenty? Okay, let me see that,

1926
01:46:48.600 --> 01:46:51.239
okay, because that did that come
out on PS five or was that

1927
01:46:51.319 --> 01:46:57.760
PS four first split? Okay,
yeah, okay. My number ten is

1928
01:46:57.800 --> 01:47:00.039
orient the Willow of the WISPS.
Number nine was cyber Upunk twenty seventy seven.

1929
01:47:00.239 --> 01:47:04.000
Interesting, Number eight was spider Man
Miles Morales, look at You Go?

1930
01:47:04.920 --> 01:47:08.039
Seven was Animal crossing thew Horizons,
which, by the way, this

1931
01:47:08.119 --> 01:47:11.359
new Spider Man will likely be on
my top ten this year. Okay,

1932
01:47:11.439 --> 01:47:13.439
yeah, yeah, I think all
three of them will make it. Uh

1933
01:47:13.520 --> 01:47:15.640
six, super Mega Baseball three five, Tony I f A Skater one plus

1934
01:47:15.680 --> 01:47:20.239
two for Mario three D All Stars
H three Last of Us Part two two,

1935
01:47:20.439 --> 01:47:27.319
Astros Playroom and number one hadies and
no ever's been asking for it,

1936
01:47:27.359 --> 01:47:31.279
So here it is our dumber This
is me. Number ten, Spirit Fair,

1937
01:47:31.880 --> 01:47:38.159
number nine, Astro's Playroom. Number
eight paneled Upon technically released in twenty

1938
01:47:38.239 --> 01:47:41.640
twenty on the Switch. Wait the
like Super Nintendo paneled Upon. Yeah,

1939
01:47:41.680 --> 01:47:44.800
it's awesome, it's great, the
best super fucking fun I've played. I

1940
01:47:44.800 --> 01:47:47.399
haven't played it in a while.
It's we should uh if we haven't been

1941
01:47:47.399 --> 01:47:51.439
playing games on the internet at some
point that Actual Life stream for Extra Paneledon,

1942
01:47:51.479 --> 01:47:54.479
I'll play that age in a big
cherity stream for twenty four hours.

1943
01:47:54.960 --> 01:47:57.840
Technically give to the Max instead of
Extra lifecause, we're giving you a smaller

1944
01:47:58.119 --> 01:48:00.800
nonprofit that's helping out Foster because Annapolis. But that's happening on mid Max's YouTube

1945
01:48:00.880 --> 01:48:04.199
channel Saturday, November fourth. We're
going for twenty four hours. As much

1946
01:48:04.239 --> 01:48:06.520
of charity auctions, We're giving a
week codes to people who donate all that

1947
01:48:06.520 --> 01:48:11.399
fun stuff. The point is number
seven, Jackbox Party Pack seven, number

1948
01:48:11.439 --> 01:48:14.159
six, Crash Panic Good four.
I gotta play that. You have played

1949
01:48:14.159 --> 01:48:15.039
Crash four. I started it,
I played like an hour of it,

1950
01:48:15.159 --> 01:48:18.760
and it's it's good. It's very
good. And it gets very hard by

1951
01:48:18.760 --> 01:48:21.279
the end. I like a good
hard platform. Man. You should go

1952
01:48:21.359 --> 01:48:25.079
back to Crash four. Okay,
yeah, okay, the hot Xbox property

1953
01:48:25.199 --> 01:48:29.159
right weird? Uh wait it's Xbox
own Crash Yeah, they own Crash on

1954
01:48:29.199 --> 01:48:31.439
Spiral. Now didn't that Crash Forward
come out on play? Oh? Wait?

1955
01:48:31.560 --> 01:48:33.920
Is this an exhivision thing? Yeah? Yeah, oh okay, I

1956
01:48:34.000 --> 01:48:38.479
got it. Five is Haiti's four
Animal Crossing three Last Ones Part two two

1957
01:48:38.560 --> 01:48:41.760
Yakas are like a dragon? Is
it on your list? No? I

1958
01:48:41.800 --> 01:48:44.720
don't know if I played. I
never beat it, but I did like

1959
01:48:44.760 --> 01:48:47.279
everything I played. Weird Yeah,
huh uh? One was seven remake of

1960
01:48:47.319 --> 01:48:51.600
course REMI oh sure, oh well
sure. But the point is this New

1961
01:48:51.680 --> 01:48:56.640
Spider Man is excellent. It's just
it's God, It's Hooks and me in

1962
01:48:56.760 --> 01:49:00.479
a big way, so much more
those expecting Like I, it's rare that

1963
01:49:00.560 --> 01:49:01.840
I've been as motivated to like get
to the next mission as it was in

1964
01:49:01.920 --> 01:49:04.800
this and like that's spoiling any thing. There's there's one mission in like the

1965
01:49:04.840 --> 01:49:08.800
amusement Park where it's like meet a
certain character in the amusement park is like

1966
01:49:09.239 --> 01:49:11.279
and I had to put the game
down to like have dinner or something at

1967
01:49:11.319 --> 01:49:13.920
that point, like, I'm so
excited to see where they go with this.

1968
01:49:14.079 --> 01:49:15.640
Is it like former villain? Yeah? Yeah, that was kind of

1969
01:49:15.880 --> 01:49:19.039
I didn't Was he in the first
twenty eighteen No? No, I don't

1970
01:49:19.039 --> 01:49:21.039
think so that's what I remember.
Oh, okay, because yeah, I

1971
01:49:21.079 --> 01:49:24.359
didn't really have context for it,
but I thought it was interesting the idea

1972
01:49:24.399 --> 01:49:27.640
of a villain and what they're doing
now and like that was that was interesting?

1973
01:49:27.680 --> 01:49:29.359
Yeah? Did you finish that?
Er? Yeah, I did that

1974
01:49:29.399 --> 01:49:31.119
whole section? Okay, Like I
thought that ending was super cool, just

1975
01:49:31.159 --> 01:49:35.159
like the fight, the arena for
the fight for the ending for that side

1976
01:49:35.239 --> 01:49:44.000
question was remember really like a little
he's making a snow globe motion. We're

1977
01:49:44.039 --> 01:49:47.439
on video. I don't think help
me help me here. We don't spoil

1978
01:49:47.479 --> 01:49:51.720
it with the folks the place that
you're actually fighting Dan he smiled it for

1979
01:49:51.800 --> 01:49:55.920
Fox. Are you in a snow
globe? Yes? No, I would

1980
01:49:55.960 --> 01:49:58.560
have remembered that. Well, then
you didn't finish the mission. I got

1981
01:49:58.680 --> 01:50:01.880
much past that. I don't know
one where you're doing all the carnival games

1982
01:50:02.399 --> 01:50:06.720
and then there's Parris Wheel. Yeah, I'm talking about the villain's side missions

1983
01:50:08.640 --> 01:50:11.159
oh, I didn't do that,
Okay. I wonder if it's in like

1984
01:50:11.199 --> 01:50:15.800
a snow globe or something'd be cool. Jake, I can't believe Ben spoiled

1985
01:50:15.840 --> 01:50:24.560
that. Okay. I will say
in a long time yeller about uh games

1986
01:50:24.640 --> 01:50:27.960
not making me feel any emotions or
anything. I I weld up. I

1987
01:50:28.039 --> 01:50:30.920
welld up playing this game. I
did. Uh the side mission, the

1988
01:50:30.960 --> 01:50:34.960
fine Grandpa one isn't that great?
It's and it's a side mission. I

1989
01:50:35.439 --> 01:50:42.760
won't unlike Ben Hanson, I'll respect
you folks at home. I was some

1990
01:50:42.920 --> 01:50:45.239
random side mission or whatever. Okay, sure, let's jump in there.

1991
01:50:45.439 --> 01:50:49.239
And it's already from the very beginning
what you're doing and finding and following.

1992
01:50:49.399 --> 01:50:51.600
It's kind of like, oh wow, this is really this is kind of

1993
01:50:51.640 --> 01:50:56.039
interesting. And uh, I don't
know I could. I could empathize with

1994
01:50:56.119 --> 01:50:59.239
certain parts of it. Both it
deals with like an older relative. It

1995
01:50:59.399 --> 01:51:04.520
also deals with you know, like
you know, his story and love and

1996
01:51:04.680 --> 01:51:08.319
things like that. Man. Yeah, that's the thing. It was just

1997
01:51:08.359 --> 01:51:11.560
such an earnest thing. And the
way they shoot this scene or it's it's

1998
01:51:11.720 --> 01:51:15.119
nothing as much as this game.
I didn't love the big spectacular moments as

1999
01:51:15.239 --> 01:51:17.880
much. The big cut scene or
the big you know, like the opening

2000
01:51:17.920 --> 01:51:23.079
stuff or whatever, the set pieces. Dan's torture through his twenty four hours

2001
01:51:23.119 --> 01:51:26.279
of playing this game by this ten
minutes experience he just can't get. But

2002
01:51:26.359 --> 01:51:28.840
that's indicative, that's emblematic of like, like there were a lot of things

2003
01:51:28.920 --> 01:51:30.319
that were like that in this game, but this was a quiet thing with

2004
01:51:30.439 --> 01:51:33.479
no camera cuts and it's just straight
up dialogue, and someone who's not a

2005
01:51:33.520 --> 01:51:38.119
big talkie game guy, I was
just like taking that all in. I

2006
01:51:38.199 --> 01:51:40.920
was like, I was like welling
up. I was like really like crap

2007
01:51:40.960 --> 01:51:43.840
by that. Yeah, And I
was like, holy shit, like these

2008
01:51:43.920 --> 01:51:46.079
quiet little moments you wouldn't expect from
this big budget Like this game has a

2009
01:51:46.119 --> 01:51:48.600
ton of heart. It really really
does. Yeah you know, yeah,

2010
01:51:48.600 --> 01:51:53.760
I mean I thought of all Systems
Goku while playing this game of just like

2011
01:51:54.039 --> 01:51:57.039
Man Miles, he's just a good
kid. He's like a Denday out there.

2012
01:51:57.159 --> 01:52:00.399
Like it's just it really got me
emotionally. Hangs Day. Then Day

2013
01:52:00.479 --> 01:52:06.279
is the little the Mechian little boy
that you and Jeff Crispin said four hundred

2014
01:52:06.279 --> 01:52:11.119
times was just a good kid.
Oh okay, he he was on h

2015
01:52:12.960 --> 01:52:15.800
friends. He looked like Piccolo,
except he was a kid. Okay,

2016
01:52:15.039 --> 01:52:17.640
yeah, does he die or something? No, he comes to Earth and

2017
01:52:17.960 --> 01:52:20.319
he rules Earth. He's a cool
he's a cool guy. He rules Earth,

2018
01:52:21.039 --> 01:52:24.640
remember correctly, I think so,
he's on the lookout tower in z.

2019
01:52:25.399 --> 01:52:28.760
I think he's ruling Earth. Oh
boy, he's a cruel dictator.

2020
01:52:28.960 --> 01:52:32.000
I could be curious to do a
recap based on memory of that series.

2021
01:52:32.039 --> 01:52:40.560
Hang on, let me look Den
day job job Uh. I mean,

2022
01:52:41.399 --> 01:52:45.079
yeah, he's the Earth Guardian after
every coming past and that happens. Yeah,

2023
01:52:45.079 --> 01:52:48.079
because remember Piccolo fuses with Commy.
He's kind of the old Themechian and

2024
01:52:48.159 --> 01:52:53.279
he gets more powerful. No,
I'm just a change color or anything,

2025
01:52:53.479 --> 01:52:56.720
or no, did he change his
look? I don't know. There's throughout

2026
01:52:56.720 --> 01:52:59.399
the entire socket. There's so many
times where Piccolo's like, no, I'm

2027
01:52:59.600 --> 01:53:00.720
just a strong because everybody else,
and everyone's like, okay, that's nice,

2028
01:53:00.720 --> 01:53:03.119
and then he's left in the dust. Immediately. I remember him blowing

2029
01:53:03.159 --> 01:53:05.800
up the moon, and that's the
only thing I read. I could point

2030
01:53:05.800 --> 01:53:08.880
ai Mountain police line up and I
remember him blowing up the moon. That's

2031
01:53:08.880 --> 01:53:12.359
the two Would you ever should I
say these curse words on the internet?

2032
01:53:13.239 --> 01:53:18.880
Go ahead Scandal noted would you ever
watch the dragon Ball super movies and record

2033
01:53:18.880 --> 01:53:24.039
commentary tracks for them? Because I
would not say never. The first movie

2034
01:53:24.359 --> 01:53:27.479
I think is I like all those
movies, but the first one I think

2035
01:53:27.600 --> 01:53:31.279
is just perfect, pitch perfect for
like a Legac sequel type thing, like

2036
01:53:31.319 --> 01:53:34.199
we're bringing these characters back and we're
just gonna have fun with them. It's

2037
01:53:34.199 --> 01:53:36.720
gonna be silly and fun. It's
so fun. I don't like to say

2038
01:53:36.800 --> 01:53:40.960
never do anything, Okay, right, all right, except for coming around

2039
01:53:40.960 --> 01:53:43.680
on Red Defredemption two. Yeah,
I understand that. Yeah, But I

2040
01:53:43.720 --> 01:53:46.000
mean you're talking about the sweetness of
some of the side missions. That mission

2041
01:53:46.159 --> 01:53:50.319
reminded me of a mission in Red
Dead two where Arthur's the none thing.

2042
01:53:50.359 --> 01:53:54.520
It's the none thing. I remember
Brad talking about that at the Game of

2043
01:53:54.560 --> 01:53:58.600
the Year, and I don't think. I think my guy was a sociopath,

2044
01:53:58.720 --> 01:54:00.720
so I didn't see that. I
think you had to be like a

2045
01:54:00.760 --> 01:54:02.560
good Arthur that right, beause Brad
was talking about howmuch it affected him emotionally,

2046
01:54:02.680 --> 01:54:05.159
and then you said, hey,
Brad, open up that coffee cup

2047
01:54:05.279 --> 01:54:09.680
late. I got a fart,
bruin. I was past that. I

2048
01:54:09.880 --> 01:54:14.079
was long past cool. Yes,
Hey, I just relate to your world.

2049
01:54:14.359 --> 01:54:16.399
Did you think J Jon and Jamison
in this game a little Vince mc

2050
01:54:16.439 --> 01:54:20.680
man in him? Did you pick
up on that? I don't remember him

2051
01:54:20.720 --> 01:54:24.680
being as present in this one as
I do in the previous ones, and

2052
01:54:24.760 --> 01:54:27.439
I thought, based on the previous
depictions, he was always just supposed to

2053
01:54:27.439 --> 01:54:30.680
be like Alex Jones. Oh,
I feel like he's more Alex Jones.

2054
01:54:30.000 --> 01:54:35.399
I guess there's Look, there's some
totally different people. Yeah, okay,

2055
01:54:36.039 --> 01:54:39.079
the few scenes that he's into this
game, I felt like I feel like

2056
01:54:39.079 --> 01:54:42.560
they're they're modeling after Vince McMahon more
than just typically like, okay, let's

2057
01:54:42.600 --> 01:54:45.920
just try and mirror it after j
Simmons. You know, I I gotta

2058
01:54:45.920 --> 01:54:47.359
say, we went on the back
bike ride, and again, you being

2059
01:54:47.439 --> 01:54:54.239
the incredible inquisitive questioner that you are, someone who's never actively watched rest in

2060
01:54:54.279 --> 01:54:57.239
your life, you ask him about
like the landscape and aw and Vince and

2061
01:54:57.319 --> 01:55:00.880
Terry con all that stuff. Fascinatingly, you have listened to your power bombcasts

2062
01:55:00.880 --> 01:55:03.079
and all that you lit. Jesus, you really have a fucking problem.

2063
01:55:03.760 --> 01:55:09.439
Oh really, you listen just so
many podcasts you listen to wrestling podcasts.

2064
01:55:09.560 --> 01:55:13.479
But yeah yeah wow, well gee
yeah, or like if Phil Simmons is

2065
01:55:13.479 --> 01:55:16.520
talking about her something but wowser's okay. Well, just all to say that

2066
01:55:16.800 --> 01:55:19.520
you ask incredible questions and it was
very fun talking to you about that.

2067
01:55:19.640 --> 01:55:25.760
Oh cool, Yes, any further
Spider Man cool, Hey listeners, you

2068
01:55:25.800 --> 01:55:29.840
wouldn't believe how good this conversation we
had two weeks ago. Was is this

2069
01:55:29.960 --> 01:55:31.560
good hosting? Next time my people
over for a wrestling thing, you gotta

2070
01:55:31.560 --> 01:55:33.479
come over. Yeah, yeah,
yeah, the rumblest coming up. We'll

2071
01:55:33.479 --> 01:55:36.039
have a raffle. Oh yeah,
I didn't mind met. Yeah, I

2072
01:55:36.359 --> 01:55:39.680
went to that the best. I
frequently think about what you said. One

2073
01:55:39.720 --> 01:55:42.520
time when I asked you about,
like what you think wrestling is, You're

2074
01:55:42.520 --> 01:55:45.800
like, I get it. It's
one fat guy thrown down another fat guy.

2075
01:55:45.119 --> 01:55:48.199
I said that, yes, fat
guy on fat guy. You said

2076
01:55:48.199 --> 01:55:51.560
it was a fat guy throwing another
fat guys, Like this is like a

2077
01:55:51.640 --> 01:55:57.079
couple of fat guys like generally not. It's a weird take. I feel

2078
01:55:57.119 --> 01:55:59.960
like you saw something a scene in
a movie set in like an eighties wrestling

2079
01:56:00.159 --> 01:56:02.199
thing. I watched That's wrestling.
I watch Joe mcmire's Spider man and based

2080
01:56:02.239 --> 01:56:06.279
all my wrestling knowledge off what what
was his name? Bone? Saw Bone?

2081
01:56:06.279 --> 01:56:11.319
So yeah, there is a world
if I okay, can we do

2082
01:56:11.479 --> 01:56:16.000
like a cultural exchange thing where you
anything you want doesn't matter if it's an

2083
01:56:16.159 --> 01:56:20.119
anime thing before trilogy and well let's
let's let's say I don't know if that

2084
01:56:20.239 --> 01:56:25.479
is, but his trilogy intimidates me. I want you to I want to

2085
01:56:25.479 --> 01:56:29.039
watch have you seen Beyond the Mat? Oh? Yeah, yeah it in

2086
01:56:29.039 --> 01:56:30.800
college? I did. Okay,
have you seen Wrestling with Shadows the bro

2087
01:56:30.960 --> 01:56:33.600
Heart one? Okay, it's like
an hour and a half, I think,

2088
01:56:33.720 --> 01:56:35.520
and it's I think you would love
it from a deck like you know

2089
01:56:35.560 --> 01:56:39.319
what you're talking about? Who was
it? Somebody blown up and there was

2090
01:56:39.359 --> 01:56:42.399
cameras there. They documented the whole
thing. Tonight you were talking about it,

2091
01:56:42.680 --> 01:56:44.680
and I was thinking about wrestling with
Shadows earlier and I didn't bring it

2092
01:56:44.720 --> 01:56:45.880
up. You were saying, somebody, Oh, Sam Bankmin Freed, the

2093
01:56:45.920 --> 01:56:49.359
guy was writing the book about it. It's you know about the Montreal screwjob.

2094
01:56:49.399 --> 01:56:53.159
You heard the radio Lap episode about
that. They were making a documentary

2095
01:56:53.239 --> 01:56:56.640
before all that happened, so they
had access and all the footage. So

2096
01:56:56.720 --> 01:57:00.720
it's this there following yes, yes, yeah, yeah, and they're following

2097
01:57:00.720 --> 01:57:03.319
Brett Hart during this and there's fucking
like U see events walking down the hallway

2098
01:57:03.520 --> 01:57:08.920
right after Brett shoot punched him in
the fucking face, like it is fascinating.

2099
01:57:08.960 --> 01:57:12.920
It is the screw job before or
after behind the scenes. I would

2100
01:57:12.960 --> 01:57:15.560
love to watch the Shadows of You. And then you pick something a similar

2101
01:57:16.079 --> 01:57:21.359
one off documentary about any fucking doc
no, just anything anything. Well,

2102
01:57:21.479 --> 01:57:25.319
we'll go with double find psych Honesty. I guess is that the one that's

2103
01:57:25.359 --> 01:57:29.960
like eighty Yeah, we're gonna do
like a two hour time limit on Okay,

2104
01:57:30.159 --> 01:57:31.279
okay, all right, think about
that. I'll think about we've got

2105
01:57:31.319 --> 01:57:33.800
no time on here. We're neighbors
now, so it's right, yes,

2106
01:57:34.520 --> 01:57:40.279
all right, yeah, yes.
I spent so much of this game just

2107
01:57:40.319 --> 01:57:45.800
being like my mind twisting, Like
have I been undervaluing how consistent Insomniac has

2108
01:57:45.920 --> 01:57:51.840
been since Disruptor on the PS one, Like, I mean, if we're

2109
01:57:51.880 --> 01:57:58.279
talking current studios still going, I
feel like we're talking greatest studio of all

2110
01:57:58.359 --> 01:58:01.399
time. Insomniac is never Naughty Dog
up there, Yes, night Dog is

2111
01:58:01.439 --> 01:58:06.319
up there. I think Insomniac should
very much be in that discussion. From

2112
01:58:06.399 --> 01:58:10.039
here on out, we're talking about
the blizzards, vowels, naughty dogs.

2113
01:58:10.079 --> 01:58:15.279
It's like Insomniac is right up there
with Insomniac. I feel like you're very

2114
01:58:15.520 --> 01:58:17.840
rarely, if ever, gonna get
like a stinker. I think you'll get

2115
01:58:17.960 --> 01:58:21.199
some eight's, you'll get some seven
point fives. I feel like I know

2116
01:58:21.239 --> 01:58:24.960
a lot of people love like the
most recent Ratchet Clank. I feel like,

2117
01:58:25.279 --> 01:58:27.800
I mean, Rachin Clanks have been
like fine, but it's like,

2118
01:58:27.840 --> 01:58:30.920
okay, I I've eaten this meal
before, you know. I feel like

2119
01:58:30.920 --> 01:58:32.640
PS four Ration Clank, that reboot
was great, and that was amazing.

2120
01:58:32.760 --> 01:58:36.680
I loved and the PSI rit Rift
Apart was awesome. I liked Drift Apart.

2121
01:58:36.800 --> 01:58:39.600
Okay, that would have been in
the eight range. But there's definitely,

2122
01:58:39.640 --> 01:58:41.640
I mean, there's plenty of those
sequels when it's like getting a little

2123
01:58:41.640 --> 01:58:44.279
long in the two in each generation
where it's like Okay, do I really

2124
01:58:44.359 --> 01:58:46.520
need this? Yeah? Yeah,
But overall, like it's hard to it

2125
01:58:46.640 --> 01:58:50.560
was insomniac. No, it's a
fuse. Oh fuse, So like a

2126
01:58:50.600 --> 01:58:56.239
fuse is like the worst of modern
insomniac. And that was like what do

2127
01:58:56.319 --> 01:58:58.840
I review that probably gave it like
an eight or seven point seventy five or

2128
01:58:58.880 --> 01:59:03.359
something out not was we've got outer
or nots on phone device. You've you've

2129
01:59:03.399 --> 01:59:06.600
heard that Ted Price Ted Priise song. I'm sure I've played oose of you.

2130
01:59:06.840 --> 01:59:12.119
I've I've made other people making your
games people, I think I think

2131
01:59:12.159 --> 01:59:15.319
I introduced Grubb to that and Grubb
really everything, and I like brought it

2132
01:59:15.399 --> 01:59:17.920
up to like grubbing Minati. I
was like, you know, the Insomniac

2133
01:59:18.000 --> 01:59:20.800
thing, what are you talking about? Like that is a deep cut that

2134
01:59:21.000 --> 01:59:25.760
you introduced me to and we should
keep telling Look up for Crazy Ride,

2135
01:59:26.079 --> 01:59:29.800
Crazy Ride, Crazy Ride. It's
for their twentieth anniversary. I think they

2136
01:59:30.000 --> 01:59:32.960
made this song about the full history
of Insomniac and Ted Price is singing and

2137
01:59:33.079 --> 01:59:39.600
playing guitar and it's I might be
brainwashed because the awesome thing is I'm sure

2138
01:59:39.760 --> 01:59:43.640
thanks to John Drake and the Harmonics
crew, it's in the Amplitude game on

2139
01:59:43.720 --> 01:59:46.359
PS four, which is one of
my favorite games. In the game put

2140
01:59:46.439 --> 01:59:50.520
that song in the game. So
you're playing the music notes of Ted Price

2141
01:59:51.159 --> 01:59:58.560
Field by Die Coke and Beer.
We're making your games and I've heard that

2142
01:59:58.920 --> 02:00:01.439
song so much, and then there's
like the community guy comes in for the

2143
02:00:01.520 --> 02:00:05.119
rap breakdown, like, hold on, that's in the past. We got

2144
02:00:05.199 --> 02:00:12.760
outer or outs on phone devices,
you got we got NDA's for what you

2145
02:00:12.840 --> 02:00:16.479
saw things, so fly you go
cock on the It's all It might be

2146
02:00:16.560 --> 02:00:19.560
the greatest song ever made out of
nuts. Was their like attempt at I

2147
02:00:19.640 --> 02:00:25.319
think Free to Play Pokemon Clone for
mobile. Oh wow, really because before

2148
02:00:25.319 --> 02:00:27.239
they were purchased, I mean they
were, They're trying. They're releasing all

2149
02:00:27.279 --> 02:00:30.159
those VR games. Remember they released
like four off list games like a Robot

2150
02:00:30.520 --> 02:00:36.039
and yeah there's one Edge of Nowhere
snow. It was like yeah, yeah,

2151
02:00:36.119 --> 02:00:41.520
yeah, they wildly Yeah they're Varian
Studio up until the purchase, I

2152
02:00:41.560 --> 02:00:44.520
guess. But I'm just amazed by
their consistency, Like never big delays with

2153
02:00:44.600 --> 02:00:45.760
them, Like they get their stuff
done. I know, I feel like

2154
02:00:45.800 --> 02:00:49.319
a businessman, you get their stuff
done on time. But seriously, you

2155
02:00:49.359 --> 02:00:53.600
think about like for the PS five, we've already had Miles Morales. I

2156
02:00:53.640 --> 02:00:56.279
know that wasn't exclusive, but still
awesome, and then Rift Apart and now

2157
02:00:56.319 --> 02:01:00.800
this Spider Man, Like compared to
every other first party studio, like they're

2158
02:01:00.880 --> 02:01:02.800
just well and now with the Spider
Man stuff. It is such a fucking

2159
02:01:02.880 --> 02:01:06.760
hit and they are so good,
like it's there. You know they've been

2160
02:01:06.760 --> 02:01:10.880
made men for a long time.
But holy shit. Okay, I looked

2161
02:01:10.960 --> 02:01:14.239
up the whole like game do people
say gamography, you can say filmography is

2162
02:01:14.319 --> 02:01:17.039
think Okay, so Disruptor, jeez
I, okay, let's go through the

2163
02:01:17.079 --> 02:01:21.039
whole thing. Disruptor, Spar the
Dragon, Spira two, Rypto's Revenge,

2164
02:01:21.279 --> 02:01:26.039
Rippedo's Rage, which was righte SPAR
three, Year the Dragon. Then,

2165
02:01:26.479 --> 02:01:30.279
of course there's something before PS two? Is it ration clank? Next we're

2166
02:01:30.319 --> 02:01:33.840
moving on to PS two. Okay, ration clank, ration clank. Dead

2167
02:01:33.920 --> 02:01:36.279
Locked is coming up later. I
forget what the second one was called Going

2168
02:01:36.279 --> 02:01:42.479
Commando but stuff. Oh yeah,
full Frontal Assault, Upper Arsenal. That

2169
02:01:42.560 --> 02:01:45.800
was the first when I played.
Okay, I'm getting spotty. You got

2170
02:01:45.880 --> 02:01:46.760
to pick it up. What do
I got? Dead locked? Yeah?

2171
02:01:46.960 --> 02:01:49.840
And then we're moving on to PS
three, so we got resistance and then

2172
02:01:49.840 --> 02:01:54.560
the ration clank Future Tools of Destruction
Quest for Booty, which is like that

2173
02:01:54.640 --> 02:01:59.840
weird like kind of like DLC type
thing. Resistance to ration clank, Future

2174
02:02:00.079 --> 02:02:04.079
Cracking Time or systems three there's Rational
clack All for one, which was like,

2175
02:02:04.439 --> 02:02:06.800
yeah, the co op thing.
I remember that. The sound notion

2176
02:02:06.960 --> 02:02:10.359
ever talked about it. It was
PS three. Yeah, has that PlayStation

2177
02:02:10.840 --> 02:02:15.119
move or am I thinking of the
Heroes Unite Heroes on the Move thing where

2178
02:02:15.159 --> 02:02:17.600
they had like all the different PlayStation
heroes together to play PlayStation move. I

2179
02:02:17.640 --> 02:02:19.840
don't remember that at all. Really. Wow. No, it's a weird

2180
02:02:19.840 --> 02:02:23.479
game where it's like Jack hanging out
with Sly Cooper and stuff, and it's

2181
02:02:23.479 --> 02:02:26.560
just like an All Stars Battle Royale
thing. No. I don't know what

2182
02:02:26.640 --> 02:02:30.319
type of game it was, but
that's not even on this Wikipedia. No,

2183
02:02:30.359 --> 02:02:31.680
it wasn't. It wasn't Insomniac,
but it just they brought in the

2184
02:02:31.760 --> 02:02:35.119
ratchet characters for you. Yeah,
full frontal Assault, which I don't really

2185
02:02:35.199 --> 02:02:38.760
know. Is that like the mobile
deadlocks. It was like a Mobia type

2186
02:02:38.800 --> 02:02:41.439
thing. Right the left was multiplayers, the first multiplayer I believe. But

2187
02:02:41.479 --> 02:02:43.920
it's like an arena thing. Okay, there's no doubt the name holds up

2188
02:02:43.960 --> 02:02:48.159
well. Scandal noted outer knots fews
hang and where was that? ORNs?

2189
02:02:48.399 --> 02:02:51.119
Was that on phone device twenty twelve? On phone devices? That's right?

2190
02:02:51.199 --> 02:02:57.359
Cock Off FEUs On three sixty.
That's weird to see that. Okay,

2191
02:02:58.039 --> 02:03:00.439
Into the Nexus, I don't remember
that. The Restaurant Clank, Yeah,

2192
02:03:00.560 --> 02:03:03.039
yeah, that was the one.
I think it had like some twer defense

2193
02:03:03.039 --> 02:03:06.680
stuff that people don't Oh right,
Okay, Sunset Overdrive, which is underrated.

2194
02:03:06.760 --> 02:03:11.159
Yeah that's a great game. Uh. Slow Down Bowl, Yeah that

2195
02:03:11.359 --> 02:03:14.560
was another. That was a cool
game where they streamed the development of slow

2196
02:03:14.560 --> 02:03:16.159
Down Bowl. Okay, twenty fifth
things a weird one. You got to

2197
02:03:16.159 --> 02:03:19.840
slow Down Bowl, Fruit Fusion,
Bad Dinos, and Digit and Dash.

2198
02:03:20.479 --> 02:03:24.680
I've never heard of Digital Death all
to me. I mean that's again that

2199
02:03:24.800 --> 02:03:27.039
air of the game industry right where
it's like we're scared of what the future

2200
02:03:27.079 --> 02:03:29.520
is. Let's try and diversify from
consoles. Let's try and make some mobile

2201
02:03:29.560 --> 02:03:31.159
stuff, which we're gonna get to
another one here in a second, after

2202
02:03:31.279 --> 02:03:34.560
Ratchet and Clank reboot, which is
excellent song of the deep games. Yeah

2203
02:03:34.640 --> 02:03:39.880
games yet, I've never played that. But it's like the underwater metro Venia

2204
02:03:39.920 --> 02:03:43.920
that Insomniac made and no one talks
about it. I think people just saw

2205
02:03:44.000 --> 02:03:48.560
game Stop and yeah Boison, Ryan
Cohen bring it back. Edge of Nowhere

2206
02:03:48.600 --> 02:03:51.800
that way okay, now we're okay, now, Edge nowhere, the unspoken

2207
02:03:51.960 --> 02:03:59.399
feral rights, Spider Rim Seedling on
the Magic Leap one, Stormland that was

2208
02:03:59.399 --> 02:04:01.680
a VR one. Yeah, strange
lits on the Magic Leap one. They

2209
02:04:01.760 --> 02:04:04.920
must have gotten some big contract from
Magic Leap to make some exclusive stuff.

2210
02:04:05.920 --> 02:04:10.800
Spider Man Miles Morales, Spider Man
Remastered, Ripped apart, reten Clank,

2211
02:04:10.960 --> 02:04:13.840
Spider Man two, and oh the
fuck they're doing that Wolverine game. Yeah

2212
02:04:14.520 --> 02:04:18.680
shit they are. That is undeniable. Yeah, consistent since the nineties.

2213
02:04:18.840 --> 02:04:24.199
Wow since Yeah, I haven't played
Disruptor, but assuming that's alright ninety six.

2214
02:04:24.279 --> 02:04:28.920
Holy shit, have you ever seen
the FMVs in Disruptor? It sounds

2215
02:04:29.079 --> 02:04:31.479
familiar. It's some good cheese stuff. Yeah, as a fan of Command

2216
02:04:31.520 --> 02:04:34.840
and Conquer, you would like the
fmv's and Disruptor. Yeah, stupid.

2217
02:04:34.920 --> 02:04:39.000
It's it's hard to argue that like
that's and they are at the top,

2218
02:04:39.079 --> 02:04:42.079
top top of the industry right now
in terms of budget and success, And

2219
02:04:42.479 --> 02:04:45.640
I can't really argue that. Sony
Bottom in twenty nineteen for like two hundred

2220
02:04:45.640 --> 02:04:49.560
and twenty nine million, which seems
so low compared to what these Spider Ring

2221
02:04:49.600 --> 02:04:53.840
games once you're making. I mean
that's yeah, probably the budget for Miles

2222
02:04:53.920 --> 02:04:57.000
Morales, you know, yeah,
yeah, shit, all right, so

2223
02:04:57.239 --> 02:05:02.279
number one studio of all time?
Does Nintendo count? Oh that's messy,

2224
02:05:02.319 --> 02:05:05.840
it's Rockstar EAD number one. I
mean sure you want to count Rockstar.

2225
02:05:08.199 --> 02:05:14.079
I put overall Rockstar over Insomniac in
terms of just importance and face stations in

2226
02:05:14.119 --> 02:05:17.880
the valley, not consistency. Sure, there's definitely some weird stuff in Rockstars

2227
02:05:17.960 --> 02:05:21.880
history. Okay, how many games? How many games has in sound Mak

2228
02:05:21.960 --> 02:05:28.920
released since GTA five came out in
twenty thirteen? Oh boy? Sincere counting

2229
02:05:28.960 --> 02:05:31.920
everything? Sure? All right,
since starting in twenty fourteen. Sounds that

2230
02:05:32.000 --> 02:05:34.920
over drive slow down, but we're
counting slow down, Bowl Fruit, Fusion,

2231
02:05:34.960 --> 02:05:39.600
Bad Diners, Dign't Dash, Gratching, Klangston, The Nowhere, Unspoken,

2232
02:05:39.640 --> 02:05:43.239
paral Rites, Spider Man, Seedling, storm Lands, Strangelets, Spider

2233
02:05:43.279 --> 02:05:45.880
Man, Miles My House. I'm
not gonna count remastered, just like any

2234
02:05:45.960 --> 02:05:47.920
kind of like Red Dead or anything, Ripped Apart, Spider Man two and

2235
02:05:48.119 --> 02:05:53.479
Wo'll Brings not out yet, So
that's seventeen where is rocks are not put

2236
02:05:53.520 --> 02:05:57.439
out in wild? Yeah? Okay, believe or not that probably too.

2237
02:05:57.920 --> 02:06:00.600
I want more of the fucking rock
Star that was putting out like they was

2238
02:06:00.640 --> 02:06:06.199
just yet whatever. We'd man the
Warriors, whatever we watched. We were

2239
02:06:06.239 --> 02:06:10.600
coked up and watched the Warriors.
Let's make a game off the Powers for

2240
02:06:10.680 --> 02:06:13.720
the game Boy. Was that DM
a design? No? I think it

2241
02:06:13.800 --> 02:06:16.279
was a Rockstar Oh wow, yeah
Onny Bungeee in Rockstar. Yeah. Weird

2242
02:06:16.359 --> 02:06:21.159
partnership right, uh yeah, unbelievable
legacy here. Oh I forget I was

2243
02:06:21.199 --> 02:06:25.159
gonna say, oh yeah, the
Slowdon Bowl always makes me laugh because we

2244
02:06:25.279 --> 02:06:28.359
did a game and former of those
rapid Fire interviews. Yeah, and Leo

2245
02:06:28.520 --> 02:06:30.960
did a rapid Fire with Brian Intehart, the great director for Spider Man.

2246
02:06:31.039 --> 02:06:34.479
He directed h the second one and
then one of those great games media to

2247
02:06:34.760 --> 02:06:38.920
game dev. Yeah success fan.
Yeah sure, it was a huge fan.

2248
02:06:39.760 --> 02:06:42.359
And so in that Rapid Fire,
you know, like a game of

2249
02:06:42.359 --> 02:06:45.239
Forfourer, we'd always just like pitch
jokes going into it in questions and stuff.

2250
02:06:45.239 --> 02:06:46.359
That was mostly after my time.
I never like I would have loved.

2251
02:06:46.960 --> 02:06:49.640
Were so fun. They were so
fun, and so Leo did an

2252
02:06:49.680 --> 02:06:53.119
awesome job. I just rewatched it
everyview not long ago, and Leo just

2253
02:06:53.840 --> 02:06:56.399
pitch perfect, and so Lee was
like, all right, I'm gonna rapid

2254
02:06:56.439 --> 02:06:58.760
fire some villains. You tell me
if it's in the Spider Man game.

2255
02:06:58.800 --> 02:07:00.720
And Brian's like okay, and then
he just rapid firing through all these Spider

2256
02:07:00.760 --> 02:07:04.600
Man villains and then it was my
insertion. So I was extra proud of

2257
02:07:04.680 --> 02:07:08.000
it. But I shold him to
ask if slow Down Bowl was going to

2258
02:07:08.039 --> 02:07:10.399
be a villain in the game,
and so he asked Brandon Darr slow and

2259
02:07:10.399 --> 02:07:14.479
Bulls in the game and Brandantaire is
like, no, what slodem pulls it

2260
02:07:14.680 --> 02:07:16.199
Spider Man and he's like, oh
crap, that's a Insamia came look you

2261
02:07:16.279 --> 02:07:18.680
forgot did you keep that clipping?
Yeah, yeah, that's in there.

2262
02:07:18.760 --> 02:07:21.479
Yeah yeah. And then and then
Leo continues to go through a bunch of

2263
02:07:21.560 --> 02:07:27.399
villains, and then he goes Adolf
Hitler and Brandon looks at him like,

2264
02:07:27.439 --> 02:07:30.960
oh my god, and then just
goes history is Greatest Villain. His delivery

2265
02:07:31.000 --> 02:07:34.479
on History's Greatest Villain is ten out
of ten? Is that written? Or

2266
02:07:34.600 --> 02:07:39.960
was that? Okay? I'd imagine
I guess that's Leo. I don't know.

2267
02:07:40.199 --> 02:07:45.039
Oh god, excellent fun. Anyways, Spider Man rules. Don't believe

2268
02:07:45.239 --> 02:07:47.119
these naysayers out. No, I'm
not trying to shit on it. It's

2269
02:07:47.159 --> 02:07:53.119
it's a very very very good game. It's doing some things better than any

2270
02:07:53.159 --> 02:07:56.600
game I've ever seen. Yeah,
it's absolutely which it blows my mind because

2271
02:07:56.640 --> 02:08:00.000
like I, you know, I
started all those old God of War games

2272
02:08:00.119 --> 02:08:01.560
and everyone's like greatest opening of all
time, Got War three, Like I've

2273
02:08:01.600 --> 02:08:05.720
started that so many times, Like
I just don't care until Get Care though,

2274
02:08:07.119 --> 02:08:09.720
like it was when War three came
out, it came out. Yeah,

2275
02:08:11.039 --> 02:08:13.359
I just big expectively doesn't do it
for me for some reason in Spider

2276
02:08:13.439 --> 02:08:16.960
Man, like I'm just so impressed
by every aspect of it that it's just

2277
02:08:18.079 --> 02:08:20.840
some emotional hook I guess. And
maybe it's just I like these characters more

2278
02:08:20.840 --> 02:08:22.600
than ever, like Crados, you
know, like I just felt like that

2279
02:08:22.800 --> 02:08:26.159
spectacle like around that like PS three, Gotta War Original Trilogy era was like

2280
02:08:28.159 --> 02:08:31.439
it wasn't things weren't really trying that, and like the P well, I

2281
02:08:31.479 --> 02:08:37.159
guess God War was the only thing
trying it on PS two. PS Yeah,

2282
02:08:37.319 --> 02:08:39.760
yeah, it's like okay, so
that PS two Got of War era

2283
02:08:41.079 --> 02:08:43.560
is when that started, I think, and also when you started seeing a

2284
02:08:43.600 --> 02:08:46.439
bunch of these quick time event heavy
is kind of fun question though, Yeah,

2285
02:08:46.479 --> 02:08:50.359
PS one greatest spectacle game. Great
question, thank you. Uh.

2286
02:08:50.640 --> 02:08:54.600
I mean so obviously Meddle of your
solid was like cinematics. You know,

2287
02:08:54.640 --> 02:08:56.520
it was the first thing that kind
of felt like a movie. But that's

2288
02:08:56.520 --> 02:08:58.039
the thing. It was like that
was so new. The fact that it

2289
02:08:58.119 --> 02:09:03.640
even had like camra cuts and voice
acting like that was the big Holy shit

2290
02:09:03.840 --> 02:09:05.600
was that? Oh my god,
it actually it feels directed? Is it

2291
02:09:05.720 --> 02:09:11.479
tomb Raider? I mean the Dinosaur. Yeah, that felt huge at the

2292
02:09:11.520 --> 02:09:22.000
time. Yea IQ in terms of
like big three D stuff like you gotta

2293
02:09:22.640 --> 02:09:26.079
see this well, I mean this
is a wrinkle, I guess. But

2294
02:09:26.239 --> 02:09:30.119
like you know the cut scenes in
like Final Fantasy seven, right, and

2295
02:09:30.319 --> 02:09:31.479
just like you got to see this
look at what the game is doing,

2296
02:09:31.520 --> 02:09:33.960
and like those a huge thing.
The cut scenes. Yeah, I mean

2297
02:09:35.000 --> 02:09:35.920
they counted. I guess. It
was like, yeah, if you're writing

2298
02:09:35.920 --> 02:09:39.079
somebody over, like you got to
see this game that's running on the PS

2299
02:09:39.159 --> 02:09:41.159
one, you could show them a
cut scene from seven and be like,

2300
02:09:41.199 --> 02:09:43.079
oh shit, that was a fight
Mari sixty four or stuff like that.

2301
02:09:43.399 --> 02:09:48.039
Like yeah, but I mean that. I feel like God of War was

2302
02:09:48.079 --> 02:09:50.520
the first to really do the like, oh my god, we're clowning climbing

2303
02:09:50.600 --> 02:09:56.520
Mount Olympus and killing gods and titans. That was just like super Action Ney

2304
02:09:56.640 --> 02:10:01.199
Resident Evil. Yeah. The thing
that killed me about Devilment Cry was that,

2305
02:10:01.319 --> 02:10:03.079
like, holy shit, they're just
letting you have infinite ammo. Like

2306
02:10:03.159 --> 02:10:05.600
that was the thing. I played
the demo that came with Code Veronica X,

2307
02:10:07.000 --> 02:10:09.079
and it was like, Oh my
god, it's just because I'm used

2308
02:10:09.119 --> 02:10:11.720
to reston evil where every bullet is
sacred, and then it's just like like

2309
02:10:11.840 --> 02:10:16.399
you know, double pistols and shotgun
juggling and all that stuff like that was

2310
02:10:16.520 --> 02:10:18.880
brand new to me. Like that
that was the big takeaway from that.

2311
02:10:20.039 --> 02:10:24.319
It wasn't spectacle in size Yoh,
She's not only the baby Bowser Cross fight

2312
02:10:24.960 --> 02:10:28.239
nothing better. Yeah, yeah,
that's the one. How you feeling about

2313
02:10:28.239 --> 02:10:35.760
Mario wonder? Uh you're were you
ever in Nintendo jail or were you just

2314
02:10:35.039 --> 02:10:39.359
uh jail crying like a little baby. It's the hardest thing I've ever dealt

2315
02:10:39.399 --> 02:10:43.479
with. Yeah, no doubt.
It's been pisking me off for seven years.

2316
02:10:45.399 --> 02:10:48.760
It looks amazing. I haven't playing
it Dan, I'm not in Nintendo

2317
02:10:48.840 --> 02:10:52.039
jail at mid Max, but as
of the time this recording, the game

2318
02:10:52.119 --> 02:10:52.720
isn't out yet. I know when
you're listening to this, you're like,

2319
02:10:52.720 --> 02:10:54.359
why are they talking more about it? But yeah, we have we have

2320
02:10:54.439 --> 02:10:58.079
not played it. Yeah, I
will be playing it NonStop on flights to

2321
02:10:58.159 --> 02:11:03.159
and from Canada in a couple of
days. I was blown away hearingbout it.

2322
02:11:03.159 --> 02:11:05.560
I was on the Friends per Second
podcast last week and so that was

2323
02:11:05.640 --> 02:11:09.000
before the embargoes up, and so
I was like, I'm looking forward to

2324
02:11:09.039 --> 02:11:11.079
it. I'm more of a three
D Mario guy. But then the way

2325
02:11:11.079 --> 02:11:15.920
they were talking about it's like,
ah likely jaw dropping lea good just like

2326
02:11:16.439 --> 02:11:20.520
he said it was, Oh god, yeah, it was so Gerard.

2327
02:11:20.560 --> 02:11:26.319
The completion iss he said it was
Yoshi's Island meets like, you know,

2328
02:11:26.439 --> 02:11:31.079
Galaxy level variety, but then with
the speed of like a warrior wear just

2329
02:11:31.119 --> 02:11:35.680
for like rapid firing. Different ideas
like it's I hadn't heard that. That's

2330
02:11:35.760 --> 02:11:39.479
the thing is everyone's saying there's there
are like every Nintendo game. I guess,

2331
02:11:39.520 --> 02:11:41.680
you know, mainly Mario. I
guess you can say zoom. And

2332
02:11:41.840 --> 02:11:45.079
I was just like it just feels
like they have so many ideas that could

2333
02:11:45.119 --> 02:11:46.640
be a full game, and they
let you do it for a little bit

2334
02:11:48.600 --> 02:11:50.439
and then they move on, and
I guess like it's never been denser than

2335
02:11:50.479 --> 02:11:52.359
it is. Mario Wonder. I
mean that was like touch fuzz, you

2336
02:11:52.359 --> 02:11:56.279
get busy right where it's just heretime. Here's a weird thing, but just

2337
02:11:56.399 --> 02:12:00.720
that constantly through every level. And
the Wonders are a big part of that.

2338
02:12:00.760 --> 02:12:03.520
But we don't need to. Everyone's
playing it right now as you're listening

2339
02:12:03.560 --> 02:12:05.079
to this, you know, so
real quick. I just realized something.

2340
02:12:05.159 --> 02:12:09.039
You mentioned the word warriorware, which
just activates some part of my brain.

2341
02:12:09.880 --> 02:12:13.680
You're doing, Uh, biggest chunk
is us playing. You're doing the day

2342
02:12:13.680 --> 02:12:16.119
after it comes out, right,
most anticipated game. Okay, and we're

2343
02:12:16.119 --> 02:12:18.880
gonna have several people there and we'll
get All we're gonna do is play it.

2344
02:12:20.000 --> 02:12:20.840
Yeah what's it called? I can
never remember move it? I just

2345
02:12:20.880 --> 02:12:24.880
love that's right. Okay, So
we can just drink and play with friends,

2346
02:12:24.960 --> 02:12:26.840
warriorwear Anderson. That's all we're gonna
do. Oh god, that sounds

2347
02:12:26.920 --> 02:12:31.640
amazing. Yeah okay, yes,
yes, okay, anyway back to Mario.

2348
02:12:31.760 --> 02:12:35.560
Yeah, I'm so happy that,
Like, I feel like I've got

2349
02:12:35.600 --> 02:12:39.079
the best possible scenario in which whenever
I fly, all I want is like

2350
02:12:39.119 --> 02:12:41.079
a game that I can just kind
of get wrapped up in, and like

2351
02:12:41.399 --> 02:12:43.399
I have the flights where it's like, let me just download a bunch of

2352
02:12:43.399 --> 02:12:46.359
stuff and see if I like anything, and I'll start a bunch of games

2353
02:12:46.479 --> 02:12:48.239
or whatever, and like it's it's
fine for distraction. I don't like flying,

2354
02:12:48.560 --> 02:12:50.880
but then it's like if I have
a game, like or when I

2355
02:12:50.960 --> 02:12:54.760
was in a Vampire Survivors, I
had a flighty, it feels like time

2356
02:12:54.840 --> 02:12:58.640
travel. You know this. It's
a fucking Mario game, not a mainline

2357
02:12:58.680 --> 02:13:01.720
one, but it's a Mario game, and I get to play it the

2358
02:13:01.960 --> 02:13:03.920
entire way to Canada and back.
I don't. I just I don't want

2359
02:13:03.920 --> 02:13:07.159
to go to this rabbit hole because
I hate this rabbit hole and I want

2360
02:13:07.159 --> 02:13:09.279
to fill it with it. It's
almost like I had a like an hour

2361
02:13:09.319 --> 02:13:13.079
and a half fight with Grevin Manada
today on stream about that. But you

2362
02:13:13.159 --> 02:13:15.399
don't have We don't have to,
but you don't consider Mario wonder it mainlind

2363
02:13:15.399 --> 02:13:18.720
Mario game. I do not,
Okay, that's how we do it.

2364
02:13:18.760 --> 02:13:24.159
Okay, great, Yes, I'm
extremely excited about it, especially like I

2365
02:13:24.279 --> 02:13:26.079
love two D Mario. It's the
first fucking video game I ever played.

2366
02:13:26.079 --> 02:13:30.720
It was Mario Brothers, Yes,
and the whole new Super Mario brother series.

2367
02:13:30.760 --> 02:13:35.399
That first one I adored because it
was new, you know, pun

2368
02:13:35.479 --> 02:13:39.920
not intended, but I played it
so much that I of that in terms

2369
02:13:39.920 --> 02:13:41.279
of I can't remember that had star
coins or whatever. Get three. I

2370
02:13:41.399 --> 02:13:45.319
did everything you could. I played
through it so many times and did every

2371
02:13:45.399 --> 02:13:48.600
bonus thing or whatever new game thing
there was, to the point where it's

2372
02:13:48.600 --> 02:13:52.600
like I was just like setting arbitrary
point targets where it's like I want to

2373
02:13:52.600 --> 02:13:56.279
get ten million points on this run, and I would just play levels trying

2374
02:13:56.319 --> 02:13:58.640
to get like every you know,
goomba jump in a row and get every

2375
02:13:58.680 --> 02:14:01.359
coin just to get my points up, just to keep playing it. And

2376
02:14:01.439 --> 02:14:05.520
by the time, like the second
one came out and the Wii one,

2377
02:14:05.800 --> 02:14:09.560
the Wi one was kind of fun
chaos, and we're playing that game Informer,

2378
02:14:09.800 --> 02:14:13.319
but it wore out. It's welcome
pretty quick with that same art style.

2379
02:14:13.840 --> 02:14:16.439
So the fact that this is like
it's actually doing something bold and new

2380
02:14:16.520 --> 02:14:20.680
for the first time since Yoshi's Island
like the two D Mario Space. Help

2381
02:14:20.760 --> 02:14:22.680
me, help me confirm if this
is a real memory I have? Yes,

2382
02:14:22.760 --> 02:14:26.520
Please, let's go back in time
two thousand and four. Yes,

2383
02:14:26.640 --> 02:14:30.760
the DS, the mini games TSTs
came out No four right? Yeah?

2384
02:14:30.840 --> 02:14:33.560
Yeah, the mini games in Super
Mario sixty four DS? Yep? Do

2385
02:14:33.680 --> 02:14:37.560
I remember this? Correct? That
they also doubled up and used a lot

2386
02:14:37.600 --> 02:14:41.119
of those mini games in New Mario
Brothers. Were those also available? I

2387
02:14:41.159 --> 02:14:46.319
wanted to memory is New Super Mario
Brothers had a multiplayer mode had blue was

2388
02:14:46.359 --> 02:14:50.600
it a blue shell power or something? It was like you're racing to collect

2389
02:14:50.680 --> 02:14:54.399
It was kind of like a take
on the old Mario Brothers arcade game where

2390
02:14:54.439 --> 02:14:58.199
it's like you are collecting five of
these little stars and but you can knock

2391
02:14:58.279 --> 02:15:03.039
them out of each other. There
would be really fun. Yeah, but

2392
02:15:03.119 --> 02:15:03.880
it was one of those things where
it's like, this is super fun.

2393
02:15:03.960 --> 02:15:07.960
But how many times am I gonna
like have someone near me with a DS

2394
02:15:07.079 --> 02:15:09.560
in the game or whatever? I
think you just needed one to copy of

2395
02:15:09.560 --> 02:15:11.680
the game. I think. So, yeah, that was so nice.

2396
02:15:11.840 --> 02:15:16.479
Yeah, that was generous of them. Yes, yes, yeah, maybe

2397
02:15:16.640 --> 02:15:20.800
am I? Oh wait, so
here are all of the mini games and

2398
02:15:20.920 --> 02:15:24.439
you could be Mario Brothers. So
it's Snowball, Slalom, Lack of Two,

2399
02:15:24.479 --> 02:15:28.479
Launch, Danger, Bobomb, Danger, Whack a Monty Balloon Racing.

2400
02:15:28.560 --> 02:15:31.000
They had all these games that all
sounds like Mario six to four mini games

2401
02:15:31.119 --> 02:15:35.520
like touch based, Yeah, Trampoline
Time, bob Bomb, Squad Bounce,

2402
02:15:35.560 --> 02:15:39.079
and Trouns. That sounds I remember
trying, like the trampolines. Yeah,

2403
02:15:39.079 --> 02:15:41.560
I'm guessing they were there and I
never touched them. But there was the

2404
02:15:41.680 --> 02:15:45.279
like versus mode thing. Okay,
I played a decent amount. Okay,

2405
02:15:45.279 --> 02:15:46.239
this is River to Pintendo. Isn't
it to like double up on those?

2406
02:15:46.319 --> 02:15:50.199
If my vague memory is correct,
I don't know. Yeah, yeah,

2407
02:15:50.399 --> 02:15:52.880
it seems really pretty bespoke with their
stuff. Anyways, I hope you're all

2408
02:15:52.920 --> 02:15:54.680
enjoying that game as you're playing right
now, and we'll talk about on the

2409
02:15:54.720 --> 02:15:58.600
next they'll talk about the next fire
Escape. Yes, I'll probably like that

2410
02:15:58.640 --> 02:16:03.359
game. Everything I've hurt, yes, Okay, so we did Spider Man,

2411
02:16:03.439 --> 02:16:05.319
we did Mario Wonder, we got
some embargoed stuff we can do.

2412
02:16:05.439 --> 02:16:07.520
Well, it was in bargod But
if you're listening to this, it's not

2413
02:16:07.640 --> 02:16:11.520
obviously you've not played a City Skylines
two. No, I love the first

2414
02:16:11.560 --> 02:16:16.119
one, though I came on late
to it. It was when I got

2415
02:16:16.199 --> 02:16:20.880
the PSVR two and I got City
Skylines VR and I started playing it and

2416
02:16:20.960 --> 02:16:24.560
being like, holy shit, oh
right, I used to love SimCity and

2417
02:16:24.159 --> 02:16:26.159
it kind of like I've not played
a game like that in a long time,

2418
02:16:26.439 --> 02:16:28.920
and I was like, wait,
why am I doing this VR?

2419
02:16:28.000 --> 02:16:33.159
I hate VR. Let's you know, get the actual PC one And I

2420
02:16:33.239 --> 02:16:35.000
dabbled with that a little bit,
but I stopped because the trailer came out

2421
02:16:35.040 --> 02:16:37.719
for two, and so I got
this one. I'll be honest, I

2422
02:16:37.760 --> 02:16:41.399
didn't play enough of the first one
to be able to tell you clearly like

2423
02:16:41.559 --> 02:16:43.319
this is where this one's better than
this, or this added this or that.

2424
02:16:45.120 --> 02:16:48.719
And I'm kind of an idiot with
like I'm still in that like SimCity

2425
02:16:48.760 --> 02:16:50.600
anys thing where I'm just like,
all right, I'm putting now my residential,

2426
02:16:50.879 --> 02:16:54.520
commercial and industrial zones and like,
I don't know if it's the build

2427
02:16:54.520 --> 02:16:58.520
I have, but like all these
signature buildings I can build just like immediately

2428
02:16:58.399 --> 02:17:01.719
they seem like things like remember some
City two thousand had the weird like or

2429
02:17:01.760 --> 02:17:05.959
two D two looking buildings with like
you can mean with the glass and everything

2430
02:17:05.719 --> 02:17:09.399
that might just be in a really
built thing I've gotten. But I'm still

2431
02:17:09.399 --> 02:17:11.079
trying to figure out, like,
oh shit, everyone's complaining about the pollution.

2432
02:17:11.200 --> 02:17:13.959
There's like a Twitter, you know, ticker on the side, and

2433
02:17:13.959 --> 02:17:16.000
everyone's like, oh god, I'm
dying of you know, the gas,

2434
02:17:16.360 --> 02:17:20.719
and I have to figure out reading
or is that actually like an in game

2435
02:17:20.879 --> 02:17:24.639
it's a chirp or something. It's
something like, I guess my joke was

2436
02:17:24.159 --> 02:17:26.680
so toxic these that that type of
thing people would be saying, Oh I

2437
02:17:26.719 --> 02:17:31.959
see what you're saying inside joke.
Really Yeah, yeah, I refuse a

2438
02:17:31.000 --> 02:17:35.600
call it X person is everyone is
softer now Every once in a while,

2439
02:17:35.639 --> 02:17:39.239
I like look at it and be
like, I just don't even like I

2440
02:17:39.319 --> 02:17:41.239
feel like like ten percent of the
people that you interact with are on here.

2441
02:17:41.799 --> 02:17:46.799
Yeah. I've just noticed dms aren't
really being responded to nearly as much

2442
02:17:46.799 --> 02:17:48.840
as they were in the best for
like reaching out about interviews and stuff.

2443
02:17:48.840 --> 02:17:52.600
So it's like I started paying for
LinkedIn for like reaching out for interviews at

2444
02:17:52.639 --> 02:17:54.840
mid max, It's like people are
on the ball. LinkedIn clean, wonderful

2445
02:17:54.879 --> 02:18:00.479
experience. I like that I like
LinkedIn. Yes, uh, City Skylines.

2446
02:18:00.520 --> 02:18:03.079
I don't have anything, you know, as someone who isn't good it's

2447
02:18:03.079 --> 02:18:05.600
good, it seems good. Okay. But again, I want to make

2448
02:18:05.600 --> 02:18:07.879
it very clear, I didn't play
a ton of the first one. I

2449
02:18:07.920 --> 02:18:09.200
can't do a lot of comparison stuff. I'm just I'm having a good time

2450
02:18:09.520 --> 02:18:13.600
building Birdletown and trying to do my
best with it. Yeah, and not

2451
02:18:13.719 --> 02:18:16.600
in the artists too, claric.
No, I'm just playing on Steam Okay.

2452
02:18:16.719 --> 02:18:18.719
Yeah, I'm looking forward to playing
that I played. I had a

2453
02:18:18.799 --> 02:18:22.559
weird thing I love. I've told
you this, Nay. I'm obsessed with

2454
02:18:22.639 --> 02:18:26.040
the soundtrack to sim City twenty thirteen. Wow. One of my favorite soundtracks

2455
02:18:26.079 --> 02:18:30.120
of all time. It's so freaking
good. Really, we got the composer

2456
02:18:30.239 --> 02:18:33.639
to create the intro theme to the
mid Maxio podcast. Wow. Yeah,

2457
02:18:33.680 --> 02:18:37.959
yeah, I really love it.
And so I played so much City Skylines.

2458
02:18:37.040 --> 02:18:39.840
But I had the music down in
City Skylines, which is good,

2459
02:18:39.959 --> 02:18:43.200
no doubt, but I had it
muted just so I could play the soundtrack

2460
02:18:43.239 --> 02:18:46.399
to Simpson twenty thirteen while playing City
Skylines. So like, my memories are

2461
02:18:46.399 --> 02:18:50.120
all fused together in a confusing way
of that game at that time. Who's

2462
02:18:50.159 --> 02:18:54.200
the composer? Yeah, Chriys Stilton. Oh Chris today literally a few hours

2463
02:18:54.200 --> 02:18:58.120
ago, was in the chat watching
me and Greb Minotti and agreed that Mario

2464
02:18:58.159 --> 02:19:01.399
Wonder is not a mainline Mario game. But yeah, I was gonna say,

2465
02:19:01.399 --> 02:19:05.600
I thought that might be Chrystilten.
I think Crystiltan's very smart. I

2466
02:19:05.639 --> 02:19:07.799
don't think I like this cent trick
actually, I think this is a city

2467
02:19:07.840 --> 02:19:11.079
skyline centrac' is better though, OK
about Crystitan' say, yeah, he's great,

2468
02:19:11.200 --> 02:19:16.920
very smart. Yes, so that
game seems good. H I'll do

2469
02:19:16.040 --> 02:19:22.040
a light lightning around here. Uh. Pay Day three we played a little

2470
02:19:22.040 --> 02:19:24.959
bit of jollym. I never played
a lot of pay Day before. It

2471
02:19:24.000 --> 02:19:26.319
seems like if you get a crew
together and you're actually like kind of it's

2472
02:19:26.360 --> 02:19:28.959
it's fun. It was fun.
Uh. They've watched a lot of The

2473
02:19:30.040 --> 02:19:33.319
Dark Knight. Uh little Gator game? Did you uh? Played on something

2474
02:19:33.360 --> 02:19:37.239
new or something? I don't know
if it's nuanced. No, I'll tell

2475
02:19:37.280 --> 02:19:39.120
you why I I just played it
is because I was had the plight to

2476
02:19:39.200 --> 02:19:43.520
and from Maharty's wedding and I was
loading up the steam deck with stuff,

2477
02:19:43.000 --> 02:19:46.600
and I had just gotten a code
for a Little Gator game on Xbox,

2478
02:19:46.719 --> 02:19:50.760
so I think it just came out
on Xbox and it made me google it

2479
02:19:50.000 --> 02:19:52.479
and I was like, oh shit, it's been out since January or February

2480
02:19:52.639 --> 02:19:56.360
on Steam. Put it on Steam
Deck. Played a good chunk of it

2481
02:19:56.440 --> 02:20:00.920
on the plane. Very fun,
very charming, very It's very key referential,

2482
02:20:01.000 --> 02:20:01.959
like, hey, we played Zelda. You know it's oh they love

2483
02:20:03.600 --> 02:20:07.879
float gliding and all that stuff.
It's very low stakes, have a little

2484
02:20:07.920 --> 02:20:11.440
adventure, nice, nice three D
look to it, Hey Dan, very

2485
02:20:11.479 --> 02:20:13.760
important. Do you think Chia's going
to make your top ten? Where'd you

2486
02:20:13.840 --> 02:20:16.280
land on Chia? I liked it
a lot. Yeah, I feel like

2487
02:20:16.440 --> 02:20:18.360
it kind of fell throughight our fast, but it was a cool thing.

2488
02:20:18.680 --> 02:20:22.719
It. I feel like my first
thirty minutes with that game were like revelatory

2489
02:20:22.879 --> 02:20:24.799
or so like, oh my god, this is so fun, this is

2490
02:20:24.879 --> 02:20:28.680
so beautiful. I love being able
to jump and do all these like spins

2491
02:20:28.719 --> 02:20:31.360
and dives, like turning all the
animals and stuff like yeah, like heart

2492
02:20:31.520 --> 02:20:33.920
will go along way with me,
and that game had a lot of heart

2493
02:20:35.000 --> 02:20:39.600
totally. I think I started it
on PlayStation and I had some issues and

2494
02:20:39.680 --> 02:20:43.920
I had to restart on Steam.
Yeah, and I don't know if that

2495
02:20:43.079 --> 02:20:48.000
kind of halted some momentum, but
I think as I played more. I

2496
02:20:48.079 --> 02:20:52.120
played a few hours of it,
I didn't see a ton of like direction

2497
02:20:52.600 --> 02:20:56.360
of like just in general what I'm
like. I would travel and unlock stuff.

2498
02:20:56.399 --> 02:21:00.440
You know, here's a new port
and I found this fun character at

2499
02:21:00.440 --> 02:21:03.040
a farm or something, or I
have it at a bird and I took

2500
02:21:03.079 --> 02:21:05.600
a shit or something like. It's
had a lot of heart, but I

2501
02:21:05.639 --> 02:21:09.319
didn't feel any kind of poll to
kind of keep me going through it,

2502
02:21:09.440 --> 02:21:11.239
you know. So I don't think
it'll make my top ten, but I

2503
02:21:11.319 --> 02:21:15.600
thought it was. I'm very very
happy that game exists. Yeah, I

2504
02:21:15.680 --> 02:21:18.159
remember the weird thing where the creative
director was a he was a big replay

2505
02:21:18.159 --> 02:21:20.440
and super replay fan. When I
talking to him, yeah, he's very

2506
02:21:20.559 --> 02:21:22.879
very nice, Phil, Yeah,
Phil Krefel, Yeah yeah, yeah,

2507
02:21:22.959 --> 02:21:28.799
very very very nice. So Reache
ducked him. Bianco was a GDC and

2508
02:21:28.959 --> 02:21:33.079
met him, and I think that's
maybe how I heard about him being a

2509
02:21:33.159 --> 02:21:37.600
big giant Bomb fan or something,
and I reached out to him and I

2510
02:21:37.719 --> 02:21:39.680
just had a little quick back and
forth and he was just very delightful person.

2511
02:21:39.799 --> 02:21:41.719
Well that's nice. Yes, rapid
Fire, Here we go, Here

2512
02:21:41.760 --> 02:21:46.040
we go. Payday is pretty okay, a little gator game fun, nice,

2513
02:21:46.079 --> 02:21:50.440
has heart. Cocoon is maybe not
a rapid Fire, little Samson,

2514
02:21:50.559 --> 02:21:52.680
very expensive, don't buy it,
but it's good. It's not any as

2515
02:21:52.760 --> 02:21:56.559
it came out twenty one years ago. Thirty one thirty one years ago.

2516
02:21:56.959 --> 02:22:03.159
Oh we met year, Yeah,
you want to do Cocoon or middle of

2517
02:22:03.159 --> 02:22:05.399
your first let me get my cocoons. Have you played Cocoon? Yeah?

2518
02:22:05.600 --> 02:22:09.680
Okay, how far are you?
It's a short yeah, probably an hour

2519
02:22:09.680 --> 02:22:11.680
and a half. Yeah, anyway, And I think I think it's a

2520
02:22:11.680 --> 02:22:13.760
cool thing, but I didn't really
feel, to one a bit of distick

2521
02:22:13.760 --> 02:22:16.479
with it, but I appreciate the
hell of it. It does feel like

2522
02:22:16.559 --> 02:22:18.040
this is the this is a successor
to play that, you know, like

2523
02:22:18.120 --> 02:22:20.799
this is the next game. If
you love Inside and Limo, you should

2524
02:22:20.840 --> 02:22:26.040
check out Coccoon for sure. It
several times pulls off that like aha moment

2525
02:22:26.159 --> 02:22:28.559
thing that I think is kind of
rare, or like the first time that

2526
02:22:28.760 --> 02:22:31.959
I kind of grabbed an orb and
got sucked back out to another area.

2527
02:22:33.239 --> 02:22:35.879
But I could see that like,
oh, the laser is passing by that

2528
02:22:35.000 --> 02:22:37.639
that is still happening in the background, and then when I when I go

2529
02:22:37.799 --> 02:22:41.840
back down now, Like it's hard
to describe if you haven't played it,

2530
02:22:41.879 --> 02:22:45.879
but like there's a lot of like
warping between areas and stuff and realizing like,

2531
02:22:46.000 --> 02:22:48.639
oh, if I put this item
in this thing in this world,

2532
02:22:50.079 --> 02:22:52.559
in this orb and then I think
Men in Black, the end of Men

2533
02:22:52.600 --> 02:22:54.040
in Black, when everything's in marbles, you know, and then I carry

2534
02:22:54.079 --> 02:22:58.639
this marble to this other thing,
then I can get this item past this

2535
02:22:58.840 --> 02:23:03.040
thing that's like normally blocking my way. Like it's very hard to describe.

2536
02:23:03.239 --> 02:23:05.600
I feel like Mary did it on
the last episode. Yeah, yeah,

2537
02:23:05.719 --> 02:23:07.079
yeah, and and her enthusiasm.
Fo he got me to check it out.

2538
02:23:07.120 --> 02:23:09.280
It was great, seem that game, great flight game. Yeah,

2539
02:23:11.159 --> 02:23:13.680
but yeah, it's not one that
like like while I'm playing it and I'm

2540
02:23:15.239 --> 02:23:18.360
discovering like the solutions to the puzzles, I am definitely like, oh,

2541
02:23:18.399 --> 02:23:20.639
hell, oh, I get it
now. Like you will beat your head

2542
02:23:20.639 --> 02:23:22.719
against certain things for a while and
then you'll have that moment and feel really

2543
02:23:22.760 --> 02:23:26.920
cool about it. But when I'm
not playing it, I'm not like actively

2544
02:23:26.959 --> 02:23:30.520
thinking about it, and I do
wonder now that I have, you know,

2545
02:23:30.680 --> 02:23:33.239
like a bunch of like Mario and
stuff like that coming up. I

2546
02:23:33.319 --> 02:23:35.840
feel like I only have like a
half hour left in that game. From

2547
02:23:35.879 --> 02:23:37.440
what I've heard, I should probably
just finish it. I have a lot

2548
02:23:37.479 --> 02:23:41.040
of respect for that game. It's
it's really cool. Yeah, Metal Gear,

2549
02:23:41.760 --> 02:23:46.520
Yeah, it's back, is it? Well, that's a question.

2550
02:23:46.600 --> 02:23:48.799
So I went to a preview event
for this. I haven't played the final

2551
02:23:48.799 --> 02:23:52.000
bills for the master questionnaire. I've
got to hear on PS five. Okay,

2552
02:23:52.079 --> 02:23:54.760
yeah, so usually these Switch I
remember're talking about the Switch version.

2553
02:23:54.799 --> 02:23:56.239
It was a little chuggy, but
it was like pre release, so it's

2554
02:23:56.239 --> 02:24:01.319
like, I don't know how this
is gonna run when it out on Switch

2555
02:24:01.479 --> 02:24:03.879
or anything else. But it was
like the opening of three Snake here,

2556
02:24:03.959 --> 02:24:07.959
so which which was the one that
like even on PS two it was weird

2557
02:24:07.000 --> 02:24:11.799
because like two was sixty frames a
second and then three was thirty. Like

2558
02:24:11.920 --> 02:24:13.399
it's weird to see like a step
back, but it's like all the foliage

2559
02:24:13.399 --> 02:24:16.280
and all that stuff. You know, it makes sense, but it's weird,

2560
02:24:16.520 --> 02:24:20.559
right that this game that came out
a long time ago and ran at

2561
02:24:20.600 --> 02:24:26.120
sixty on like the HD collections like
a decade plus ago, like the switch

2562
02:24:26.200 --> 02:24:28.760
can't run that at sixty. It's
weird, but I don't know, it

2563
02:24:28.879 --> 02:24:33.360
doesn't seem like they're breaking the bank
to you know, make it happen.

2564
02:24:33.360 --> 02:24:37.040
It's really it's it's modern Konami for
what that means. It's confusing. The

2565
02:24:37.159 --> 02:24:41.079
folks who brought you Super bomber Man
are two you know, and a contra

2566
02:24:41.280 --> 02:24:43.479
rogue core. But it's just,
hey, let's just assemble this stuff.

2567
02:24:43.559 --> 02:24:48.440
Let's get literally the blue Point ports
from the HD version, like it says

2568
02:24:48.479 --> 02:24:52.959
copyright twenty twelve and you bowed up
but you're good ports. Yeah, yep,

2569
02:24:52.040 --> 02:24:56.360
good parts. And then a couple
bonuses heart in there, like okay,

2570
02:24:56.399 --> 02:24:58.760
we have the scripts, not as
much as I would like. I'd

2571
02:24:58.760 --> 02:25:01.520
love to more like old design docs
and stuff. There's like those books.

2572
02:25:01.639 --> 02:25:05.040
Yeah, I don't know where those
actual books and people literally asked them and

2573
02:25:05.159 --> 02:25:07.799
I'm still confused about it. Like
I have a bunch of metal gear books

2574
02:25:07.840 --> 02:25:11.399
up there and I've never seen.
But if it's like all new stuff,

2575
02:25:11.440 --> 02:25:13.159
you think would be build a little
bit more of like we made a e

2576
02:25:13.319 --> 02:25:16.159
book. But yeah, it's it's
straight up like it feels like scans.

2577
02:25:16.239 --> 02:25:20.520
It feels like, yeah, digital
clips or like scan the stuff. You

2578
02:25:20.600 --> 02:25:24.639
know, Yeah, you enjoyed it. By the way, this is the

2579
02:25:24.719 --> 02:25:31.680
backup recording instead if you care dead. Okay, well you did that just

2580
02:25:31.760 --> 02:25:33.559
happen? Yeah, I think so. Let me just slide a phone out

2581
02:25:33.600 --> 02:25:37.639
there just in case, but we
should. I've got two recordings going right

2582
02:25:37.719 --> 02:25:39.399
here. I'm a pro here.
I'm impressed. If you got one recording,

2583
02:25:39.440 --> 02:25:43.479
you got none, that's right.
Then he taught me that that's wise

2584
02:25:43.559 --> 02:25:46.639
words. Uh, or we're just
saying metal gear. You know it's wrong.

2585
02:25:46.440 --> 02:25:50.680
Oh, it's right, fine,
it's uh. Why are you still

2586
02:25:50.760 --> 02:25:54.360
hesitant? What's going on here?
Hesitant? This might just be a me

2587
02:25:54.520 --> 02:25:56.760
thing where it's like, I'm very
happy that there is an easy way like

2588
02:25:58.000 --> 02:26:01.440
meddle eear solid one. The last
time it was easily playable was you could

2589
02:26:01.479 --> 02:26:05.239
download it on PS three and I
remember playing. The last time I played

2590
02:26:05.280 --> 02:26:07.719
through it was on the Vita,
and even then you had to like do

2591
02:26:09.040 --> 02:26:11.280
or maybe a PSP I think it
was the Vita. You had to do

2592
02:26:11.319 --> 02:26:13.000
a weird transfer thing to make that
work or something. So it's been like

2593
02:26:13.159 --> 02:26:16.920
over a decade or close to a
decade since you've been able to like play

2594
02:26:18.000 --> 02:26:20.239
middle Er Slid one legally. But
I don't mean to be a snob or

2595
02:26:20.280 --> 02:26:24.159
anything. It's just my preference.
When I play older games, I tend

2596
02:26:24.280 --> 02:26:28.760
to prefer CRT original hardware or a
Mister or things like that. Now,

2597
02:26:30.159 --> 02:26:33.280
so I want to play with the
dual Shock, I want to play uh,

2598
02:26:33.399 --> 02:26:37.120
but that's not This is not a
quality judgment on this thing. This

2599
02:26:37.239 --> 02:26:39.959
is like, I can't expect everyone
to be buying fucking CRTs and mysters.

2600
02:26:39.040 --> 02:26:43.280
So basically you're happy that it's No, it's and'll they have like integral,

2601
02:26:43.280 --> 02:26:45.760
they have VR missions, they have
that's I did not know they were going

2602
02:26:45.799 --> 02:26:48.959
to have like digital graphic novel NPR
missions. I thought it was going to

2603
02:26:48.959 --> 02:26:52.319
be Yeah, I thought it was
one, two, three, And it's

2604
02:26:52.479 --> 02:26:56.079
just the is it the NES versions
of No? They have MSX. They

2605
02:26:56.120 --> 02:27:00.600
had the MSX stuff of one and
two and Snakes Revenge and the NES metal

2606
02:27:00.639 --> 02:27:03.920
gear yep, yep. They don't
have Ghost Babbel right the game game Boy

2607
02:27:03.040 --> 02:27:05.840
Color one, but they did call
it volume one yep, So no,

2608
02:27:07.079 --> 02:27:11.000
Volume two is just gonna be Ghost
Babbel excellent. Yeah, wait, volume

2609
02:27:11.040 --> 02:27:15.000
two is what ghost Babbel four if
they can figure that out. I asked,

2610
02:27:15.440 --> 02:27:16.440
you know, I asked him,
like, is there stuck like the

2611
02:27:16.479 --> 02:27:20.559
brand guy, It's like, is
there anything that you can rule out for

2612
02:27:20.680 --> 02:27:26.159
future collections like twin Snakes like writes
nightmare, I can't imagine that would ever

2613
02:27:26.200 --> 02:27:28.200
come to anything. And he's like, just because the Nintendo stuff in there?

2614
02:27:28.280 --> 02:27:30.520
Yeah, yeah, and perhaps I
just you know, take Yoshi out

2615
02:27:30.520 --> 02:27:31.879
of the Great Box Room, you
know, take maxxco. Man's not talking

2616
02:27:31.879 --> 02:27:35.719
about like I feel like, look
again, I've never made a video game,

2617
02:27:35.760 --> 02:27:41.280
but like it doesn't integral to uh, you know, it's not integral.

2618
02:27:41.559 --> 02:27:43.280
Yeah, and you know their answer
was like nothing's nothing's out of the

2619
02:27:43.280 --> 02:27:46.000
realm of possibility, you know,
so acid portable opps. I would expect

2620
02:27:46.040 --> 02:27:48.280
like those to be in there,
Like again, I did not expect digital

2621
02:27:48.319 --> 02:27:50.520
graphic novel to be in there.
That's pretty cool. Yeah, yeah,

2622
02:27:52.120 --> 02:27:54.000
no, it's good. I'd look
metal here near and dear to my heart,

2623
02:27:54.520 --> 02:27:58.239
I want that to be as accessible
to everyone as possible. Put on

2624
02:27:58.319 --> 02:28:01.280
every fucking console, put bonus stuff
in there. It's got it's got the

2625
02:28:01.479 --> 02:28:03.360
music player stuff. I like how
you can like every song. I was

2626
02:28:03.399 --> 02:28:05.760
kind of like kind of limited from
what I saw, I couldn't. It

2627
02:28:05.840 --> 02:28:09.319
seemed to me like it was like
when I was looking at the middle Gear

2628
02:28:09.360 --> 02:28:11.879
Solid one book that I could play
like the Metal Gear Solid one tracks.

2629
02:28:13.280 --> 02:28:16.799
I think it's like siloed so you
can play Snake Eater when you're looking at

2630
02:28:16.799 --> 02:28:18.079
the Snake Eater book. Was snakey
Ter running okay? Was it running at

2631
02:28:18.079 --> 02:28:22.440
six? Yes? Yes? Oh
so I did play Snake Eater on PS

2632
02:28:22.559 --> 02:28:26.799
five and noticed no problems whatsoever there. So it's are you just being a

2633
02:28:26.840 --> 02:28:30.040
song about the CRT thing? I
don't know why would make it extremely I'm

2634
02:28:30.120 --> 02:28:33.239
not remotely being a snobbyer, but
so what's holding this back from being a

2635
02:28:33.239 --> 02:28:35.200
big victory in your mind? Like, hey, metle Gear's back, everybody,

2636
02:28:35.360 --> 02:28:39.760
No, Like, will you say
the words into the microphone Metal Gears

2637
02:28:39.799 --> 02:28:43.360
back. I feel like that would
be if like Kajima came back and it

2638
02:28:43.440 --> 02:28:46.879
was working on like some new thing
or remasters or something like. These are

2639
02:28:46.000 --> 02:28:50.719
solid parts of great games that are
now accessible to more people, and they've

2640
02:28:50.719 --> 02:28:54.799
got some little bonuses and stuff that
are nice. Like this is not look

2641
02:28:56.120 --> 02:29:01.120
modern Konami doesn't have the capability.
It seems to do anything that matters,

2642
02:29:01.360 --> 02:29:05.920
right, Like what was the last
thing they did of any important? They

2643
02:29:05.120 --> 02:29:13.479
have been releasing really weird little Steam
games like crime Parasite like games or new

2644
02:29:13.600 --> 02:29:18.920
games. They're just publishing new little
games on Steam that quickly fall off the

2645
02:29:20.040 --> 02:29:24.840
radar or barely on the radar at
all. I really liked their Teenagement Turtles

2646
02:29:24.959 --> 02:29:28.760
collection, but then a lot of
that's just as they know what the fuck

2647
02:29:28.760 --> 02:29:33.159
they're doing. Yeah, they or
the Atari stuff, the Turtle Chronica stuff.

2648
02:29:33.159 --> 02:29:35.639
I don't know what the fuck that
is. Like, That's why I

2649
02:29:35.879 --> 02:29:39.680
know everyone loves it. And I'm
as a preservationist in the game history guy

2650
02:29:39.760 --> 02:29:43.879
and everything, I'm sure it's very
important. I just don't know what Caroteca

2651
02:29:43.040 --> 02:29:46.399
is. Like, that's the point
of the game is to teach you,

2652
02:29:46.479 --> 02:29:48.440
Dan, But what if I don't. I've never thought of it. I

2653
02:29:48.559 --> 02:29:52.799
don't. I don't. I've never
thought of this before, So why should

2654
02:29:52.799 --> 02:29:56.280
I learn it. I like learning
bonuses and nuggets about stuff that I know,

2655
02:29:56.719 --> 02:29:58.120
you know, like looking at the
metal of your book or something like

2656
02:29:58.159 --> 02:30:03.079
that. Like that's a good way
to go through life. I feel you

2657
02:30:03.159 --> 02:30:05.840
start learning about something you don't know. Anytime I start realizing that, like

2658
02:30:05.879 --> 02:30:09.920
this sounds like my dad, I
should run the other direction, So maybe

2659
02:30:09.959 --> 02:30:11.680
I should fucking try this out.
That's what. Don't be like your father

2660
02:30:11.879 --> 02:30:15.920
play through the making of Karatega.
No, he's played it a lot.

2661
02:30:16.479 --> 02:30:20.200
That's all we will talk about.
What did they include the twelve game?

2662
02:30:22.159 --> 02:30:26.239
I cannot picture that. Yeah,
I should, I should, I should,

2663
02:30:26.479 --> 02:30:31.040
I like I like that. It's
it's an interesting, weird, funky

2664
02:30:31.120 --> 02:30:35.120
company this way. Ooh ooh,
ooh, shit, what's happening? Let

2665
02:30:35.159 --> 02:30:37.920
me tell you right now, man, you gotta help me with the name

2666
02:30:37.959 --> 02:30:43.719
of it. They are releasing this
game in mid November that I am really

2667
02:30:43.799 --> 02:30:50.399
excited about. It's a co op
co music platform. It's called like super

2668
02:30:50.559 --> 02:30:56.920
Rhythm Castle beat Boy super Crazy Rhythm
Castle. Yes, yes, right,

2669
02:30:58.040 --> 02:31:01.479
chaotic cooperative gameplay. It's fun.
I played it with a group for like

2670
02:31:01.959 --> 02:31:07.879
an hour at the preview event,
and it's just a really fun local multiplayer

2671
02:31:07.040 --> 02:31:09.719
like music experience where like you know, it's like, okay, you're running

2672
02:31:09.719 --> 02:31:13.600
around doing some platformy type stuff,
and then like, okay, in this

2673
02:31:13.680 --> 02:31:16.280
section in this room, it's completely
different. In this room you have to

2674
02:31:16.879 --> 02:31:18.520
get two people to play like this
music track, but then there's gonna be

2675
02:31:18.719 --> 02:31:22.559
like, uh, animals jumping onto
the track and the other two people have

2676
02:31:22.639 --> 02:31:26.479
to get off their notes to go
like remove the things from the track.

2677
02:31:26.559 --> 02:31:30.239
It's just it's a cool this wax
experience when this comes in to hap me

2678
02:31:30.280 --> 02:31:33.440
over. I would want to play
through like all of it on a streamer.

2679
02:31:33.479 --> 02:31:35.239
I really, I will. I
would love to do that. And

2680
02:31:35.239 --> 02:31:37.200
the name of it One more Time
is a super crazy rhythm castle. Right

2681
02:31:37.280 --> 02:31:41.600
it is from Konami. Okay,
yeah, like November thirteenth or something.

2682
02:31:41.959 --> 02:31:43.200
Well, this has the crazy backwards
stuff, but there's not a fourteen month,

2683
02:31:43.239 --> 02:31:46.879
so I assume it's November fourteenth,
Yes, okay, great. When

2684
02:31:48.000 --> 02:31:50.479
was that game that you showed me
at two Dcon with the like you grab

2685
02:31:50.600 --> 02:31:56.200
the thing and you bang against each
other? Oh, panic something? Yeah,

2686
02:31:56.280 --> 02:31:58.639
the Namco. It was an archaic
game, you grab. It had

2687
02:31:58.680 --> 02:32:01.440
two It was a giant cabinet.
I want to say Panic Room, but

2688
02:32:01.479 --> 02:32:05.520
I don't think Jodie Foster was evolved
in. It was David Fincher. But

2689
02:32:05.799 --> 02:32:09.520
you're just banging mini games. Yeah, I know. I was doing another.

2690
02:32:09.600 --> 02:32:13.600
I was I was going to one. You're banging the fucking things against

2691
02:32:13.600 --> 02:32:18.200
each other. And you're like physically
like pushing and punching the controller towards the

2692
02:32:18.239 --> 02:32:22.079
person you're fighting. Yeah, and
that was very fun. And I love

2693
02:32:22.120 --> 02:32:24.520
those games that you just can't emulate. Panic Attack, No, no,

2694
02:32:24.799 --> 02:32:28.239
no, by the port, do
me a favor. This is very short.

2695
02:32:28.520 --> 02:32:31.920
Before we leave here tonight. When
we're done, let me load up

2696
02:32:33.360 --> 02:32:35.920
Panic or point point blank. You've
never heard of point blank? Point blank

2697
02:32:37.000 --> 02:32:39.920
is Namco light gun game. I'll
pull it up on the CRT. I

2698
02:32:39.000 --> 02:32:43.239
got the gun cons. We gotta
check out point blank. I've had a

2699
02:32:43.319 --> 02:32:45.959
note on my phone to show you
point blank for like four months. Okay,

2700
02:32:46.239 --> 02:32:50.760
okay, uh, Panic Park,
Yeah that was it? Yes,

2701
02:32:50.120 --> 02:32:54.440
Yes, okay, yes, yes, don't don't let me forget point blank.

2702
02:32:54.479 --> 02:32:58.520
Okay, what we're talking about?
Mental Year, Yes, Metal Gears

2703
02:32:58.559 --> 02:33:05.079
back. Hey said it, he
said it. I'm not being a stop.

2704
02:33:05.360 --> 02:33:09.120
It's good that it's good that it
exists. I hope people play.

2705
02:33:09.120 --> 02:33:09.760
I don't understand this tone. Okay, moving on, all right, we

2706
02:33:09.799 --> 02:33:11.760
got it. I'm just trying to
convince you that I like, there's no

2707
02:33:11.879 --> 02:33:18.079
negativity here. I just yes,
you sound economy sometimes just does kind of

2708
02:33:18.120 --> 02:33:20.040
like the bare Bones. It's like, oh yeah, the bare Bones release.

2709
02:33:22.040 --> 02:33:24.639
There's some stuff in there, but
it's not like I went through this

2710
02:33:24.639 --> 02:33:26.399
stuff, you know what. I
like. I remember when like Middle Year

2711
02:33:26.399 --> 02:33:30.040
Solid four was coming out and they
had like a special download of just like

2712
02:33:30.120 --> 02:33:33.680
this interactive timeline of every fucking character. It's like it was a free download

2713
02:33:35.200 --> 02:33:37.239
two thousand and eight, and it's
like click revolver oslat and hears all this

2714
02:33:37.280 --> 02:33:41.280
stuff. It was like the document
of Mataries Sold two. It's right behind

2715
02:33:41.319 --> 02:33:45.200
you. It's sitting behind you.
Yeah, And I like that type of

2716
02:33:45.200 --> 02:33:48.879
stuff. They've gone bigger in the
that thing I Meddle Year has gone bigger

2717
02:33:48.959 --> 02:33:52.639
and deeper in the past with bonus
stuff and subsistence and substance and all that

2718
02:33:52.680 --> 02:33:54.719
stuff. So this to me is
kind of like, all right, I'm

2719
02:33:54.719 --> 02:33:58.120
just I'm just glad it exists.
If you haven't played it, go play

2720
02:33:58.120 --> 02:34:01.600
it. It's yeah, okay.
Uh so that's metal gear. Uh Cocoon.

2721
02:34:01.639 --> 02:34:07.040
We talked about little Oh. Last
thing I've got here is uh you

2722
02:34:07.200 --> 02:34:09.799
saw this in the other room and
asked if you could steal it from me.

2723
02:34:11.319 --> 02:34:15.280
The meda Quest three. I gave
you DJ Hero two for the PlayStation

2724
02:34:15.399 --> 02:34:20.000
three Complete in box. The Meta
Quest for two thousand and nine. Yes,

2725
02:34:22.280 --> 02:34:24.360
yes, you you seemed to curious
about it. You want to you

2726
02:34:24.399 --> 02:34:26.479
want to miss a podcast host interview
meing about the medicalquists. I'd love to

2727
02:34:26.479 --> 02:34:30.600
talk about it. Yeah. I
was in this room messing around with it

2728
02:34:30.639 --> 02:34:31.639
for good chung of today. Okay, and you had a good time,

2729
02:34:33.319 --> 02:34:35.440
a big mix. I downloaded a
bunch of stuff, tried a bunch of

2730
02:34:35.440 --> 02:34:39.319
stuff. I was trying different things
because I want to finally play through Half

2731
02:34:39.360 --> 02:34:41.520
Life Alex. The space, I
got to the laptop, I got all

2732
02:34:41.600 --> 02:34:46.840
the situation, all everything's in place, and so I was like, okay,

2733
02:34:46.879 --> 02:34:50.399
so how do I do this?
Like a if I just wanted to

2734
02:34:50.440 --> 02:34:52.840
play it, be if I wanted
to try to stream half Live Alex.

2735
02:34:52.399 --> 02:34:56.600
And actually the streaming thing, like
I figured out how to like you know,

2736
02:34:56.639 --> 02:34:58.159
you can pin the chat in the
corner of your your field of visually

2737
02:34:58.239 --> 02:35:01.399
like that. That's not that hard
at all. Actually, yeah, it's

2738
02:35:01.479 --> 02:35:05.360
more me trying to figure out,
like, Okay, so I can plug

2739
02:35:05.440 --> 02:35:07.440
this cable in and this is ten
feet long, and I can do the

2740
02:35:07.559 --> 02:35:11.959
like link cable. But that seems
funky. Why is this funky? Oh

2741
02:35:11.040 --> 02:35:13.600
wait, it's telling me it's not
a USB three cable. It's got the

2742
02:35:13.639 --> 02:35:16.680
Oculus logo on it, so I
thought this is the right thing. So

2743
02:35:16.760 --> 02:35:18.639
I confuse, this is a can
of worms, I know, but the

2744
02:35:18.719 --> 02:35:24.360
idea is Oculus headset, Facebook stuff. But you can play Steam games,

2745
02:35:24.600 --> 02:35:28.639
so if you plug in a cable. Well, the big selling point I

2746
02:35:28.719 --> 02:35:35.079
believe because I've had every Quest and
the thing is when VR first came around,

2747
02:35:35.280 --> 02:35:39.879
everything remember like the the Vibe and
the first Rift, and everything was

2748
02:35:39.959 --> 02:35:43.360
different levels of like, well,
this one has to be tethered at your

2749
02:35:43.399 --> 02:35:46.440
computer. This one, well it's
room scale, but you have to like

2750
02:35:46.520 --> 02:35:50.520
install two censors in the corners of
your room and be tethered. And then

2751
02:35:50.520 --> 02:35:52.440
the Quest was the first one where
it's like, okay, you can just

2752
02:35:52.479 --> 02:35:56.000
download it here. But the first
quest was very limited. I don't want

2753
02:35:56.000 --> 02:36:00.479
to go through the whole history basically
the Quest three, the big plus are

2754
02:36:00.680 --> 02:36:03.440
the pass through stuff. Yeah,
it's cool, way it's weird, so

2755
02:36:05.200 --> 02:36:07.040
if you uh, it always reminds
me of times like if you're having like

2756
02:36:07.079 --> 02:36:11.200
a lucid dream and you know you're
dreaming. It's the definition of lucid dream.

2757
02:36:11.239 --> 02:36:13.959
But like and things are just kind
of warping around you in a weird

2758
02:36:15.000 --> 02:36:18.600
way and you feel a little disconnected
from reality. It's kind of like that

2759
02:36:18.680 --> 02:36:20.440
because like I can walk around the
house. I was literally like walking up

2760
02:36:20.440 --> 02:36:24.360
and down between floors, like talking
to Bianca, you know, playing with

2761
02:36:24.399 --> 02:36:26.879
the dogs and stuff, and then
I could just like double tap the headset

2762
02:36:26.920 --> 02:36:28.559
and be back on the game.
It works. It totally cool. And

2763
02:36:28.639 --> 02:36:31.520
like the PSBR two also is a
good passer camera, but you're still your

2764
02:36:33.000 --> 02:36:37.280
head and yeah, yeah, I
mean PSBR two is also like good hardware,

2765
02:36:37.360 --> 02:36:41.639
just didn't have any games or supporting
games, but the vision, like

2766
02:36:41.680 --> 02:36:45.479
when you're looking through the pass through, like the colors and stuff are there,

2767
02:36:45.520 --> 02:36:48.879
Like in The Quest two, it
was like very CCTV. I mean,

2768
02:36:48.879 --> 02:36:52.520
you certainly wouldn't be able to read
text on a screen or Kyle saying

2769
02:36:52.559 --> 02:36:56.920
like, yeah, you could like
read your phone, which is yeah.

2770
02:36:56.000 --> 02:36:58.000
So that's the thing. Is like
when you're setting some stuff up, like

2771
02:36:58.079 --> 02:37:01.799
you know, sometimes you're doing stuff
through like the Oculus app on your phone.

2772
02:37:01.079 --> 02:37:05.360
A lot of times you're like logging
into something on a laptop water or

2773
02:37:05.399 --> 02:37:07.840
in the case of Steam, you're
trying to like launch certain Steam stuff or

2774
02:37:07.879 --> 02:37:11.040
whatever. You can see it.
It's just like when you're looking directly ahead,

2775
02:37:11.280 --> 02:37:16.159
it's fairly readable and not you can
tell you're looking through something, but

2776
02:37:16.239 --> 02:37:18.559
it's it's fine. It's like when
you look in the periphery, things are

2777
02:37:18.600 --> 02:37:22.440
just kind of wharping, or like
if I'm walking from room to room,

2778
02:37:22.440 --> 02:37:24.319
it's like, whoa, it feels
kind of fucked up. You're like high

2779
02:37:24.360 --> 02:37:28.680
on something, all right, but
it's it's leagues better than it's been,

2780
02:37:28.760 --> 02:37:31.280
and like that's a huge step forward, because like that's part of why there's

2781
02:37:31.319 --> 02:37:33.840
a lot of reasons I haven't gotten
super into VR, but part of it

2782
02:37:33.959 --> 02:37:37.559
is like that feeling of just being
like super disconnected from the outside world.

2783
02:37:37.639 --> 02:37:41.360
Yeah, and I'm definitely intrigued,
Like it does. It feels like for

2784
02:37:41.479 --> 02:37:43.440
five hundred bucks, they're releasing this
medic Quest three and kind of trying to

2785
02:37:43.520 --> 02:37:48.280
steal some of Apples Thunder with Apple
Vision Pro, which is thirty five hundred

2786
02:37:48.280 --> 02:37:50.040
dollars, and so it's like,
hey, we're doing the mixed reality thing

2787
02:37:50.440 --> 02:37:54.879
and it's so much cheaper just buy
this. So the mixed reality thing that

2788
02:37:54.040 --> 02:38:00.239
is the biggest thing in terms of
like new stuff that my worry is,

2789
02:38:00.520 --> 02:38:03.680
you know, like when PS five
comes out and you can like download Astro's

2790
02:38:03.680 --> 02:38:07.559
play room and they're trying to show
off their fucking HD tickleballs technology. Where

2791
02:38:07.559 --> 02:38:11.319
are the controller the stuff that like
happens, the six axis stuff, the

2792
02:38:11.360 --> 02:38:16.159
things that at the very beginning launch
game Sony made stuff utilizes it, and

2793
02:38:16.200 --> 02:38:18.520
then nothing ever used it. Like
I think Spider Man two does the most.

2794
02:38:18.600 --> 02:38:22.360
I've seen some pretty good, Like
when you'd the hover drone Spider thing,

2795
02:38:22.399 --> 02:38:26.360
it feels like weirdly like floating in
a cool way. Yeah. The

2796
02:38:26.479 --> 02:38:28.799
part that got me is like the
symbio like talking through it. It's like,

2797
02:38:28.840 --> 02:38:31.280
ah, that's that's something I think
I noticed that. Oh really,

2798
02:38:31.959 --> 02:38:35.680
No, maybe I didn't get that
far. I don't know I got the

2799
02:38:35.680 --> 02:38:39.520
symbiode stuff. Yeah, but yeah, I feel like Sony is notorious for

2800
02:38:39.600 --> 02:38:41.760
doing that where it's like here's a
gimmick and you're never going to see it

2801
02:38:41.760 --> 02:38:43.280
past the first two months, Like
yeah, resistance, you'll shake off a

2802
02:38:43.319 --> 02:38:48.680
grenade tag or something, you know, So going there, Uh, this

2803
02:38:48.879 --> 02:38:52.520
this three Seasons room I have right
next to us, and it's just a

2804
02:38:52.600 --> 02:38:54.559
big empty room. Apparently use it
as like a meditation room. So there's

2805
02:38:54.559 --> 02:38:58.280
like a meditation pillow in there and
nothing else to move the pillow out of

2806
02:38:58.319 --> 02:39:01.280
the way. And then it does
the where it's like instead of having to

2807
02:39:01.360 --> 02:39:03.239
like just draw a thing on the
ground, you just look around for a

2808
02:39:03.280 --> 02:39:05.920
little bit and walk around pretty smartly. It's like, oh, here's your

2809
02:39:05.920 --> 02:39:09.159
shit. And then you go to
the next thing. It's like, hey,

2810
02:39:09.280 --> 02:39:11.159
is this your walls? Do you
want to move your walls? It's

2811
02:39:11.159 --> 02:39:13.639
like, nope, that's where my
walls are. That's good. And there's

2812
02:39:13.680 --> 02:39:16.920
this tech demo in there called First
Encounters, and it starts with you.

2813
02:39:16.920 --> 02:39:20.879
You're just seeing through the pass through
camera and so it's like, oh,

2814
02:39:20.000 --> 02:39:22.920
here's just my room, okay,
walking around, and then like a little

2815
02:39:22.959 --> 02:39:26.719
break in the ceilings, like you
I saw the actual ceiling of my room,

2816
02:39:28.040 --> 02:39:31.399
and then like it breaks through and
I can look through and see like

2817
02:39:31.680 --> 02:39:35.760
outer space. That's cool, man. Then a little tiny spaceship flies in

2818
02:39:35.440 --> 02:39:39.079
and it lands in front of me
in my room. It's not like that's

2819
02:39:39.079 --> 02:39:41.639
the big distinction there. It's not
just a fully VR thing. It's it's

2820
02:39:41.680 --> 02:39:43.959
like, oh, that's the room
I'm actually walking around, and to the

2821
02:39:45.040 --> 02:39:48.079
point where like as I walk towards
it, I was like stopping, so

2822
02:39:48.159 --> 02:39:50.719
I didn't like kick it and I
had to, like I purposely like oh

2823
02:39:50.840 --> 02:39:54.879
right, that's not fucking there.
And then the walls, the actual walls

2824
02:39:54.920 --> 02:40:00.719
that you see start breaking because these
little like what's the star Trek, the

2825
02:40:00.920 --> 02:40:05.879
troubles, the triples, the trebles
and whatever you know sixty yeah, yeah

2826
02:40:05.920 --> 02:40:09.360
that one. These little fuzzy aliens
start like headbutting the walls, and I

2827
02:40:09.399 --> 02:40:13.159
think you can shine like a sea
through like a black light type thing,

2828
02:40:13.200 --> 02:40:16.079
and you can see them like like
trying to get into your actual room that

2829
02:40:16.159 --> 02:40:18.799
you're in live and then they'll break
through and you can see through to the

2830
02:40:18.879 --> 02:40:22.520
outside like alien world. And as
it keeps going, you're shooting them and

2831
02:40:22.559 --> 02:40:26.879
stuff, and so like more and
more breaking through and your shots are breaking

2832
02:40:26.920 --> 02:40:31.239
away the ceiling and the walls and
stuff, and so it's slowly transitioning from

2833
02:40:31.360 --> 02:40:33.920
like you're in your room to like, oh fuck, I've blasted away all

2834
02:40:35.000 --> 02:40:37.280
my walls and ceiling. Yeah,
and I can see you know, this

2835
02:40:37.399 --> 02:40:39.280
ringed planet up there. Some of
the coolest gar stuff you've experienced since the

2836
02:40:39.399 --> 02:40:43.680
launch er. I mean, it's
an incredible tech demo in the way that

2837
02:40:43.799 --> 02:40:46.840
like every packs demo, I did
of the First Oculist and all that stuff

2838
02:40:46.879 --> 02:40:52.719
like blew my mind. But it's
I have to hesitate until I see like

2839
02:40:52.840 --> 02:40:56.200
games utilizing it in a meaningful way. Dude, I hear you. I

2840
02:40:56.399 --> 02:41:03.360
was sold on the FBI podcast sorry, the Friends per Second podcast. It's

2841
02:41:03.399 --> 02:41:05.799
just like an offhand mention of this
game was like, well that is it's

2842
02:41:05.840 --> 02:41:11.680
the best pitch for VR I've ever
heard, which is mixed reality stuff,

2843
02:41:11.079 --> 02:41:16.559
but it's for learning piano. They
have a game called Piano Vision where you

2844
02:41:16.680 --> 02:41:20.559
put the Medaquest three on and then
you're looking at a real piano and they

2845
02:41:20.600 --> 02:41:24.479
have the notes coming down like guitar
hero on. A real piano doesn't need

2846
02:41:24.559 --> 02:41:28.040
to be It's it's not like a
specific like piano, Like you don't need

2847
02:41:28.040 --> 02:41:31.200
to put an overlay on it,
and you can sit down at any literally

2848
02:41:31.239 --> 02:41:33.399
I just googled it a little bit, but yeah, I think it's any

2849
02:41:33.479 --> 02:41:39.719
piano and that sounds like, yeah, I it's I've I guess Sony sent

2850
02:41:39.840 --> 02:41:43.040
us a PSVR two headset before that. I never was tempted to actually buy

2851
02:41:43.079 --> 02:41:46.200
a headset, but it's like I
think I want this, like I will,

2852
02:41:46.879 --> 02:41:48.920
I will invest in the medic Quest
three. Hopefully they can send us

2853
02:41:48.959 --> 02:41:52.479
one for free or I can steal
yours, but I know it's gathering dust

2854
02:41:52.520 --> 02:41:58.000
on a shelf already. It's charging
right now today. I'll give you an

2855
02:41:58.000 --> 02:42:01.000
email addresser boys, I just want
to play this piano game. Like that

2856
02:42:01.120 --> 02:42:05.559
sounds like everything I want is like
just to be able to play a piano,

2857
02:42:05.200 --> 02:42:09.159
and like I feel like I'm good
enough a rhythm games, like even

2858
02:42:09.200 --> 02:42:11.559
though I barely learned how to play
piano and then forgot it, Like if

2859
02:42:11.600 --> 02:42:15.079
it's just coming down, I can
do that, well, I know I

2860
02:42:15.159 --> 02:42:16.040
can, And I think that'd be
such a cool feeling, would be like

2861
02:42:16.239 --> 02:42:20.360
really go from a zero at a
piano to be like I can do this,

2862
02:42:20.559 --> 02:42:22.559
I can hit these notes in time, wouldn't that like you know,

2863
02:42:22.639 --> 02:42:24.559
like Rocksmith was trying that right,
Yeah, yeah, and Rocksmith was cool.

2864
02:42:24.600 --> 02:42:26.520
I liked it. I think that
that type of stuff is such a

2865
02:42:26.559 --> 02:42:31.280
cool idea to learn an actual skill, Like I'd never heard of this piano

2866
02:42:31.360 --> 02:42:33.680
thing. That's really really awesome,
Like it's so weird, like oh,

2867
02:42:33.479 --> 02:42:37.239
Meta released the Meta Quest three,
and now I feel like I need to

2868
02:42:37.280 --> 02:42:39.879
go buy a keyboard. Find some
used keyboard on Craigslist or stuff that so

2869
02:42:39.920 --> 02:42:43.399
I can play this thing. That's
the stuff that like, I feel like

2870
02:42:43.479 --> 02:42:48.319
we haven't come close to anything VIR
game wise. That's like making me want

2871
02:42:48.399 --> 02:42:50.879
to play any full length VR game. But the stuff I have looked for

2872
02:42:52.440 --> 02:42:56.319
that I would love to exist in
a meaning full way is like I look

2873
02:42:56.319 --> 02:43:00.920
at the things that have caused me
trouble with anxiety, stuff like highways with

2874
02:43:01.079 --> 02:43:05.360
a public speaking, like a realistic
depiction of like you know, oh,

2875
02:43:05.440 --> 02:43:09.559
I'm standing on a stage and you
can pick this size of crowd or whatever,

2876
02:43:09.079 --> 02:43:11.120
and you know, I can go
through a speech or something like that.

2877
02:43:11.760 --> 02:43:16.719
Or here's a realistic like you know, maybe filmed with three sixty cameras

2878
02:43:16.799 --> 02:43:20.600
and a car merging onto the highway
and driving or something like, I don't

2879
02:43:20.639 --> 02:43:24.520
know, like something that actually mimicked
reality in a way that could actually kind

2880
02:43:24.520 --> 02:43:28.280
of get yourself like you know,
the whole like cognitive behavioral therapy type stuff

2881
02:43:28.280 --> 02:43:31.200
of like working your way up towards
the real thing. You know, I

2882
02:43:31.280 --> 02:43:33.719
feel like that could be pretty helpful
because like it's tough with something like like

2883
02:43:33.799 --> 02:43:37.000
with me, Like, look at
those two things that caused me anxiety.

2884
02:43:37.280 --> 02:43:41.879
The highway in public speaking, you
can't just even if I want to expose

2885
02:43:41.959 --> 02:43:43.040
myself to that. Well, I
mean you can get on the highway,

2886
02:43:43.280 --> 02:43:46.840
yeah, but the sticky like and
for the record, I am driving on

2887
02:43:46.879 --> 02:43:48.799
the highway way more now. But
like it was very intimidating to be like,

2888
02:43:50.280 --> 02:43:52.639
if I'm terrified about merging, there's
no like way to ease yourself into

2889
02:43:52.680 --> 02:43:54.479
that. You just have to fucking
do it. And like it turns out

2890
02:43:54.479 --> 02:43:58.000
that as kind of the answer is
just to do it. But it's terrifying,

2891
02:43:58.200 --> 02:44:00.799
and it would help to have kind
of that, like say on ramp

2892
02:44:01.639 --> 02:44:05.239
in public speaking and stuff, you
can't just unless you just go start yelling

2893
02:44:05.280 --> 02:44:07.559
at a public square or something.
You know, a public speaking would move

2894
02:44:07.639 --> 02:44:11.200
a needle. Yeah, And I
don't know, I have not I would

2895
02:44:11.239 --> 02:44:13.840
just like to try something that was
making a good earnest attempt at that.

2896
02:44:13.040 --> 02:44:16.200
Yeah, And maybe that's a pipe
dream, but you know, like I

2897
02:44:16.360 --> 02:44:18.479
like the idea of that type of
stuff. So anyway, like something like

2898
02:44:18.559 --> 02:44:22.280
learning a real skill, like playing
piano, like that type of implementation of

2899
02:44:22.360 --> 02:44:24.719
VR is so much more interesting than
me than like, Okay, I'm starting

2900
02:44:24.760 --> 02:44:28.840
the twentieth game where okay, here's
a while, like people talking to me

2901
02:44:28.920 --> 02:44:31.120
as I walk through, and oh, pick up the coffee cup and you

2902
02:44:31.159 --> 02:44:33.040
can throw it. You know,
it's like I want to start and have

2903
02:44:33.120 --> 02:44:37.120
my blex. I've heard over and
over that that is the the one,

2904
02:44:37.239 --> 02:44:41.079
like real deal, non gimmicky VR
game. Yeah, and so that that's

2905
02:44:41.159 --> 02:44:45.440
the that's number one on what I
want to use the Quest three fore,

2906
02:44:45.639 --> 02:44:48.600
I just I'm jealous. I just
ordered a sixteen foot cable because apparently I

2907
02:44:48.600 --> 02:44:50.079
had the wrong one. So yeah, but yeah, I tried other ones.

2908
02:44:50.120 --> 02:44:54.719
I try to walk about minigaal tried
and expect you to die three less

2909
02:44:54.760 --> 02:44:56.479
mills, body combat. You know, a lot of this is stuff that

2910
02:44:56.639 --> 02:45:00.719
just like whether it's the PSVR two
or the Quest or anything like that,

2911
02:45:01.680 --> 02:45:03.840
you know, I can see the
benefit of some of this stuff. There's

2912
02:45:03.879 --> 02:45:05.639
cool stuff where like do you know, thrill of the fight. It's like

2913
02:45:05.680 --> 02:45:09.120
a punch out type VR game where
it's just a bunch of kind of like

2914
02:45:09.159 --> 02:45:11.319
cartoony boxing characters. But on the
Quest too, you're just kind of I

2915
02:45:11.840 --> 02:45:16.479
tried to play this at the old
house and in a pretty empty room,

2916
02:45:16.520 --> 02:45:20.079
but it's still like you're swinging and
you're punching, and even if you're not

2917
02:45:20.120 --> 02:45:24.319
sitting the boundary. You it just
feels weird to throw a punch here.

2918
02:45:24.840 --> 02:45:28.639
I've not tried this yet, but
throw the Fight added a pass through mode

2919
02:45:28.920 --> 02:45:31.840
where it just puts the fighter in
your actual space, so like I could

2920
02:45:31.879 --> 02:45:35.760
be in this room boxing and see
that column or that wall, so like

2921
02:45:35.840 --> 02:45:39.959
that I want to really try out. Yeah that sound fun. Yeah yeah,

2922
02:45:39.200 --> 02:45:45.600
so uh yes, it's gathering dust. I just you're like, you

2923
02:45:45.680 --> 02:45:46.239
know, like, go back into
my storage. You need to see there's

2924
02:45:46.239 --> 02:45:48.600
any peripherals for the extra life stream. Went back there and I saw the

2925
02:45:48.680 --> 02:45:54.440
thing that I'm desperate to play in
the box. The shoot thing is used.

2926
02:45:54.520 --> 02:45:58.879
The shoot thing. I'm sorry,
I wish I could shoot your vocabulary

2927
02:45:58.120 --> 02:46:01.040
shoot gimmick. I'm sorry, Okay, thank you. Uh yeah, so

2928
02:46:01.079 --> 02:46:03.479
that's when I met a question.
I feel like I'll probably have more updates

2929
02:46:03.520 --> 02:46:07.000
on that as it goes on,
because it's it's a technology I've always wanted

2930
02:46:07.040 --> 02:46:09.680
to be cool and for me to
use. But every time I get a

2931
02:46:09.719 --> 02:46:11.280
new one of them, and I
feel like I've had them all now,

2932
02:46:11.600 --> 02:46:16.479
it's just been like, Okay,
this is going together test quickly, so

2933
02:46:16.719 --> 02:46:20.799
just wait until they released that gj
S and Andreas version. Remember they announced

2934
02:46:20.799 --> 02:46:28.079
they're making that the Oculus Meta is
making a remake of GJ and Andreas for

2935
02:46:28.200 --> 02:46:33.120
VR and a half Ago or something. We gotta remember Jason Rubin is leading

2936
02:46:33.680 --> 02:46:37.120
the Games Initiative over there. So
you think of what games are kind of

2937
02:46:37.840 --> 02:46:46.200
war, you know what? Can
you imagine coffee and VR? Now we're

2938
02:46:46.239 --> 02:46:52.159
talking baby, So I be the
micro role on this podcast apparently the micro

2939
02:46:52.280 --> 02:46:56.120
Oh oh yeah, just the resident
pervert. I guess, yeah, yeah,

2940
02:46:56.120 --> 02:46:58.559
I guess he is. All right, yeah, you guess play a

2941
02:46:58.639 --> 02:47:01.200
highlight reel for the podcast right now. I guess it's him. Yeah,

2942
02:47:01.280 --> 02:47:03.200
yeah, like well, well,
you know, rip for them, but

2943
02:47:03.280 --> 02:47:07.639
yeah, he's he's the guy.
Yeah uh, that's what I got.

2944
02:47:07.879 --> 02:47:11.200
Anything anything you're playing that. It's
been Spider Man all day, every day.

2945
02:47:11.280 --> 02:47:15.200
Yeah, I love it. I
feel like it's been a lot of

2946
02:47:15.879 --> 02:47:18.840
me not being negative on stuff,
and but I feel like I'm saying things

2947
02:47:20.200 --> 02:47:22.639
that sound negative. You know,
people do it all the time, and

2948
02:47:22.639 --> 02:47:26.879
giving podcast it just it makes me
laugh when because I think what you start,

2949
02:47:28.079 --> 02:47:30.559
the way you start talking about a
game is the way it's kind of

2950
02:47:30.600 --> 02:47:33.360
perceived in the tone but mean,
So I always to remind myself when I'm

2951
02:47:33.360 --> 02:47:33.559
talking about a game. We it's
like, oh, you can have a

2952
02:47:33.600 --> 02:47:35.479
thousand nitpicks, but it's like,
by large, I love this game,

2953
02:47:35.600 --> 02:47:39.200
like let's make sure to hit that
first. But with something like a Spider

2954
02:47:39.280 --> 02:47:41.719
Man, it's like I have had
a wide range of emotions playing it,

2955
02:47:41.879 --> 02:47:46.959
and the last one I had was
I don't want to play this mission right,

2956
02:47:46.040 --> 02:47:48.280
and so it's like that that is
my last memory with it. But

2957
02:47:48.319 --> 02:47:50.719
I also want to make sure I'm
giving it its credit. Yeah, Like

2958
02:47:52.120 --> 02:47:54.680
do you are either of us specifically
at risk you think of like, look,

2959
02:47:54.840 --> 02:47:58.440
we've known some people who've done this
for a long time who got very

2960
02:47:58.520 --> 02:48:01.440
jaded, who got very cynical,
like and whenever I've seen that even before

2961
02:48:01.479 --> 02:48:03.840
I was in the industry, and
I would see magazine writers be like,

2962
02:48:05.159 --> 02:48:07.280
fuck, we gotta go to E
three. I think there's a little bit

2963
02:48:07.319 --> 02:48:11.040
of it with this October release schedule. Like I hate it when I hear

2964
02:48:11.079 --> 02:48:13.520
people complain in a podcast, but
like, oh, this is hell hell

2965
02:48:13.639 --> 02:48:16.360
month. But it was like that
hell giuse you with fun stuff that you

2966
02:48:16.399 --> 02:48:18.840
want to play. But to be
fair, like you know, if you're

2967
02:48:18.879 --> 02:48:22.600
like a guides writer, you have
a lot of review embargoes. I'm sure

2968
02:48:22.600 --> 02:48:26.120
that's a more stressful time than normal. You still have You're in the top

2969
02:48:26.239 --> 02:48:31.319
point two percent of good jobs on
Planet ears one hundred percent guides writers like

2970
02:48:31.360 --> 02:48:33.760
that is stress. That's stressful,
and also like there are legitimate complaints I

2971
02:48:33.840 --> 02:48:39.000
think folks like us can have about
like like my experience with Death Stranding or

2972
02:48:39.079 --> 02:48:41.479
Red Dead where it's like I'm trying
to rush through game that's not meant to

2973
02:48:41.559 --> 02:48:45.040
be rushed for the sake of embargo. You know, like that there's legitimate

2974
02:48:45.040 --> 02:48:46.239
stuff there, but here's of the
world where you know, the world of

2975
02:48:46.280 --> 02:48:50.319
being jaded. I do always it
makes my skin crawl a little bit when

2976
02:48:50.319 --> 02:48:52.040
everyone just like complains about too many
good games coming out. Yeah, it

2977
02:48:52.159 --> 02:48:54.920
could be overwhelming from the community standpoint, I get it. I like,

2978
02:48:54.920 --> 02:48:58.079
oh, how do I play all
this stuff trying to budget a YadA YadA,

2979
02:48:58.159 --> 02:49:00.520
YadA. But at the same time, like when you're coverings and the

2980
02:49:00.799 --> 02:49:03.280
games press sided of things, it's
like, yes, don't act like you're

2981
02:49:03.319 --> 02:49:05.440
being tortured my good games coming out
everybody. I think the key is just

2982
02:49:05.520 --> 02:49:09.079
like if you know something's not for
you and you're not feeling it. It's

2983
02:49:09.120 --> 02:49:11.799
like like, for instance, Balder's
K three is probably gonna be all over

2984
02:49:13.079 --> 02:49:16.639
game of the Year list. It
sounds like it is a masterfully made game.

2985
02:49:16.000 --> 02:49:20.799
I played several hours of it.
I saw that it was clearly very

2986
02:49:20.840 --> 02:49:24.920
well made, but also not really
for me, and so I'm not going

2987
02:49:26.079 --> 02:49:28.040
to spend one hundred hours playing it
when I could be playing other things.

2988
02:49:28.399 --> 02:49:31.959
And I'm also not gonna like when
it comes up and people are fighting for

2989
02:49:31.079 --> 02:49:35.920
it a Game of the Year,
I'm not there. It's amazing, and

2990
02:49:35.000 --> 02:49:37.600
that's when you just have to like, all right, like, yeah,

2991
02:49:37.639 --> 02:49:39.319
that's gonna make it a high up
on virtually every Game of the Year list,

2992
02:49:39.360 --> 02:49:43.319
I'm sure, and like for good
reason, yep, you just don't.

2993
02:49:43.319 --> 02:49:45.840
You don't have to, Like did
you ever feel like you had to

2994
02:49:45.840 --> 02:49:50.520
play everything? No? I yeah, no, I like dabbling with a

2995
02:49:50.559 --> 02:49:54.200
lot of stuff, you know,
but no, for Ballers to get through

2996
02:49:54.200 --> 02:49:56.799
it just makes me laugh. Yet, because we're going through that right now

2997
02:49:56.799 --> 02:50:01.079
at mid max, where it's like
somehow the storyline came up and just the

2998
02:50:01.239 --> 02:50:05.879
overall vibe that like I hate Baldersgate
three, It's like, no, I

2999
02:50:05.200 --> 02:50:09.360
think it's awesome. I just couldn't
really get into it, and so then

3000
02:50:09.799 --> 02:50:13.959
for new show plus this last week, the show was Baldersgate boot Camp,

3001
02:50:13.040 --> 02:50:18.559
where Sarah and Jeffam who loved the
game, watched me play the game and

3002
02:50:18.600 --> 02:50:22.120
then screamed at me everything I was
doing wrong and what idiot was and how

3003
02:50:22.200 --> 02:50:24.000
I didn't understand the basis of the
game so I couldn't critique it. I'm

3004
02:50:24.000 --> 02:50:26.479
like, I I never critiqued it. I never said I just said like,

3005
02:50:26.760 --> 02:50:31.440
based on the three hours I played, it wasn't clicking for me.

3006
02:50:31.879 --> 02:50:35.360
So it's a sensitive thing. So
no, I think I'm okay if it's

3007
02:50:35.399 --> 02:50:39.680
like this game seems great, but
just not for me, and I'll move

3008
02:50:39.760 --> 02:50:41.239
on. And I support the hell
out of it. It's awesome that it

3009
02:50:41.280 --> 02:50:45.040
found its audience, and in neither
of Russ like, we don't seem like

3010
02:50:45.120 --> 02:50:48.959
cynical, jaded, the older vogues, right, so I'm working older.

3011
02:50:48.719 --> 02:50:50.559
I'm Shurt's in there in a big
way. We just don't perceive it.

3012
02:50:50.680 --> 02:50:54.680
But of course I always respected the
McNamara approach of just the like the the

3013
02:50:56.040 --> 02:50:58.559
five minute review or the five second
review or whatever, where he would just

3014
02:50:58.600 --> 02:51:01.719
like watch one of us playing some
game that like seemed like a big release

3015
02:51:01.760 --> 02:51:03.399
of the year, and he's just
been around for a long time and seen

3016
02:51:03.440 --> 02:51:05.639
a million of these come and go, and he would just watch for thirty

3017
02:51:05.680 --> 02:51:09.120
seconds and just be like, yeah, it seemed like a seven point seventy

3018
02:51:09.159 --> 02:51:11.360
five. And that was like the
extent of what he thought about with that

3019
02:51:11.440 --> 02:51:13.520
game. You know, like I
kind of respected that of like he's seen

3020
02:51:13.559 --> 02:51:18.239
it before. He I'm sure if
if it came out to like the staff

3021
02:51:18.360 --> 02:51:20.200
was like obsessed with it and loved
it or whatever, but all right,

3022
02:51:20.239 --> 02:51:22.399
maybe I'll check this out or whatever. But like there are gonna be games

3023
02:51:22.440 --> 02:51:24.399
that come out and it's just like
yeah, all right, yeah it's one

3024
02:51:24.440 --> 02:51:26.760
of these, you know. Yeah, I don't be too like, do

3025
02:51:26.920 --> 02:51:31.680
you think you need to play through
livesa P? No, Okay, That's

3026
02:51:31.719 --> 02:51:33.239
what I'm talking about, Like a
big super Bloodborn fan. You know,

3027
02:51:33.520 --> 02:51:35.719
wait, I like Blodborne a lot, but I played like thirty minutes of

3028
02:51:35.760 --> 02:51:37.239
Lives of P and I's like,
all right, yeah, yeah, I

3029
02:51:37.280 --> 02:51:39.520
got it, And like I'm not
going to say a bad word about it.

3030
02:51:39.559 --> 02:51:41.399
That's exactly it. I think that's
the thing. Yeah, yeah,

3031
02:51:41.479 --> 02:51:45.959
just drag it down. Yeah,
like a Red Dead situation or something.

3032
02:51:46.000 --> 02:51:50.000
You know. Yeah, sometimes just
fun though, Okay, punching up,

3033
02:51:50.719 --> 02:51:56.719
Okay, that's fun for everybody.
Yes, hey, thanks for having me

3034
02:51:56.719 --> 02:51:58.479
on fire Escape. You don't want
to answer some emails? Oh god,

3035
02:52:01.399 --> 02:52:03.319
no, I'll show you the door. No, no, no emails.

3036
02:52:03.479 --> 02:52:07.280
You've heard the podcast I have,
I have. Let's go emails. Love

3037
02:52:07.360 --> 02:52:11.440
it. I'm gonna go beet.
Why am I never on this podcast with

3038
02:52:11.600 --> 02:52:16.719
Mary? I've read this podcast twice. I talked to her this week,

3039
02:52:16.760 --> 02:52:22.559
and she has some strong thoughts about
you, all right, very negative tell

3040
02:52:22.639 --> 02:52:24.360
tales going to be here in person, and that is going to be on.

3041
02:52:24.520 --> 02:52:26.200
Yeah, she has to like pay
a lot of money to change her

3042
02:52:26.239 --> 02:52:31.000
flight back, so yeah, oh
well we'll talk off cam about that,

3043
02:52:31.520 --> 02:52:33.879
all right. Yes, yeah,
she's not a fan. All right,

3044
02:52:35.040 --> 02:52:37.600
Emails. Does Mike have a thing
he says about emails? I don't remember.

3045
02:52:39.840 --> 02:52:43.760
These are the emails for the show. These are the emails for the

3046
02:52:43.840 --> 02:52:46.879
fire Escape cast, all right,
High fire Escape Crew. The idea of

3047
02:52:48.000 --> 02:52:50.200
talkie versus dewey games has been brought
up several times in the podcast, and

3048
02:52:50.239 --> 02:52:54.239
I'm realizing how much adulthood has changed
how I approach games nowadays. I've been

3049
02:52:54.280 --> 02:52:58.760
having a harder time getting immersed in
these fictional stories, especially this past year.

3050
02:52:58.319 --> 02:53:01.680
Real worry constantly creep in and pull
me out of the narrative moments in

3051
02:53:01.719 --> 02:53:05.920
a game. But when I'm actually
in control and playing, I'm able to

3052
02:53:05.920 --> 02:53:09.319
get immersed and focus on the game
itself. I also feel myself getting more

3053
02:53:09.360 --> 02:53:13.319
frustrated by interruptions of cutscenes and scripted
moments. It used to be much easier

3054
02:53:13.319 --> 02:53:16.959
for me to get invested in a
game story, but now I often find

3055
02:53:16.000 --> 02:53:20.079
myself mashing the skip button because I
just want to get back to the gameplay.

3056
02:53:20.399 --> 02:53:22.760
Have any of you experienced anything like
this? Has adult life in getting

3057
02:53:22.799 --> 02:53:26.760
older change how you approach games.
Thanks for all you guys do. That

3058
02:53:26.879 --> 02:53:31.319
is Justin P from Youngstown, Ohio. Justin b Youngstown. Forever we've talked

3059
02:53:31.360 --> 02:53:35.639
like this general idea and talkie versus
Dewey, Like, I'm curious one thing.

3060
02:53:35.680 --> 02:53:37.920
I don't know how much you've talked
about it, but you've been your

3061
02:53:39.040 --> 02:53:46.319
father. Now what shit? Yeah? Yeah does that? Let's let's shift

3062
02:53:46.440 --> 02:53:50.520
to that. Like, have you
felt, even at this young age that

3063
02:53:50.639 --> 02:53:54.879
your child is at changed that the
big thing is being able to pause a

3064
02:53:54.959 --> 02:53:58.040
game? Oh, so, like
right when the kid was born, I

3065
02:53:58.120 --> 02:54:01.040
played through all of my Fantasy sixteen
and I was like, all right,

3066
02:54:01.040 --> 02:54:03.799
well, I'm gonna bring the PS
five upstairs and have it set up in

3067
02:54:03.840 --> 02:54:09.000
the living room and just have the
kid on my lap looking at me so

3068
02:54:09.040 --> 02:54:13.200
they're not staring at the screen.
And then so much like sixteen is a

3069
02:54:13.280 --> 02:54:16.639
decently long game, and there were
so many play sessions where I would just

3070
02:54:16.360 --> 02:54:20.879
make it four minutes through cutscene,
pose it for twenty minutes, and then

3071
02:54:20.879 --> 02:54:22.280
make another two minutes than pose it. Is just a lot of that,

3072
02:54:22.520 --> 02:54:26.799
and so that's that's a very important
thing. I wish it was universal that,

3073
02:54:28.040 --> 02:54:30.239
like, you know, I feel
like the three sixty era was pretty

3074
02:54:30.239 --> 02:54:31.559
good about this, and Nintendo's pretty
good about this. Or if you hit

3075
02:54:31.600 --> 02:54:33.879
the guide button or if you hit
the home button on the switch, yeah,

3076
02:54:33.959 --> 02:54:37.280
yep. It kind of always no
matter what the game is, even

3077
02:54:37.319 --> 02:54:39.200
if it doesn't have a positive cut
scene thing, it kind of gets you

3078
02:54:39.280 --> 02:54:41.360
there. You know, it's the
worst when you hit that home button then

3079
02:54:41.440 --> 02:54:43.440
go back to the game. It's
like, wait, have things been progressing

3080
02:54:43.760 --> 02:54:48.639
that? I feel like three sixty
and Switch is pretty universal, right,

3081
02:54:48.719 --> 02:54:50.479
Yeah, yeah, I think for
PS five. You know, I feel

3082
02:54:50.479 --> 02:54:54.159
like some other you think PS five
positive, no matter what if you maybe

3083
02:54:54.239 --> 02:54:56.399
that's just the trick, maybe it's
just the home button. It could be

3084
02:54:56.239 --> 02:54:58.879
yeah, but like it's I feel
like there was an era. I'd say,

3085
02:54:58.920 --> 02:55:01.239
like the PS two era was terrible
about this, where it's like a

3086
02:55:01.280 --> 02:55:05.920
cut scene would be happening, and
like a lot of games were starting to

3087
02:55:05.000 --> 02:55:07.239
like, oh, I can pause
this cut scene and someone's like, oh,

3088
02:55:07.319 --> 02:55:11.440
I skipped that whole big story thing
because if somebody ring my doorbell or

3089
02:55:11.479 --> 02:55:13.319
a kid was crying or something.
You know. I wish credits are more

3090
02:55:13.360 --> 02:55:18.520
clear with indication as well of like
if I skip these credits, am I

3091
02:55:18.559 --> 02:55:20.719
gonna miss an end credits thing?
Or will it jump right to it?

3092
02:55:20.760 --> 02:55:24.600
Because I like looking at credits the
as much as the next guy. But

3093
02:55:24.680 --> 02:55:30.000
then when you get into like legal
of Sony Japan, it's like, what

3094
02:55:30.079 --> 02:55:33.040
are we doing kind of Ubisoft game
or something, Yeah, show me the

3095
02:55:33.079 --> 02:55:35.440
big name, show me Tim Terror's
name and the credits. That'd be good,

3096
02:55:35.520 --> 02:55:37.479
ye, and foward down to the
stuff. Fast forward is great.

3097
02:55:37.520 --> 02:55:41.920
Fast forward is great. I really
appreciate the ones where it's like if you're

3098
02:55:41.959 --> 02:55:43.280
not sure and it's a full screen
cut scene, and you like just move

3099
02:55:43.360 --> 02:55:46.760
a stick or something and down in
the corner. It's like, oh,

3100
02:55:46.840 --> 02:55:48.000
press this to skip, press this
to pause. It's like, thank you

3101
02:55:48.079 --> 02:55:50.360
for letting me know, like you
could tell because I was moving something.

3102
02:55:50.959 --> 02:55:56.799
Hey, new rule, everybody,
Every credits should be smashed, brothers credits?

3103
02:55:56.879 --> 02:55:58.399
Is it too much to ask for? The Bill mar of the Gaming

3104
02:55:58.479 --> 02:56:09.159
industry scandal noted, all right,
hello fires, you answered mister youngster has

3105
02:56:09.200 --> 02:56:11.959
adult life and getting older. Well, the TALKI versus doing. I understand

3106
02:56:11.959 --> 02:56:13.959
that. I'm like, you know, you're looking at a cut scene.

3107
02:56:13.959 --> 02:56:18.399
It's just not sinking in. I
think play some different games, you know.

3108
02:56:18.479 --> 02:56:20.639
It's not like you've abandoned storytelling in
games. You know. Sometimes just

3109
02:56:20.680 --> 02:56:24.000
like this isn't clicking. Sometimes you
play a couple of games back to back

3110
02:56:24.000 --> 02:56:26.239
where it's like why do I just
not care? And then something will come

3111
02:56:26.239 --> 02:56:30.000
along like Spider Man and be like, oh man, all right, you

3112
02:56:30.079 --> 02:56:31.799
got me. I feel like I'm
the worst because, like I have never

3113
02:56:31.879 --> 02:56:35.520
in my life been comfortable straight up
skipping cut scenes. Yeah, but also

3114
02:56:37.239 --> 02:56:39.159
I do the thing where like I'm
in the middle somewhere, which doesn't help

3115
02:56:39.200 --> 02:56:41.959
either where it's like I'm not skipping
through it fast, but I'm also not

3116
02:56:43.079 --> 02:56:45.440
taking it in where it's especially if
it's a thing where you have to X

3117
02:56:45.479 --> 02:56:46.319
through a bunch of text. Yeah, like I feel like, you know,

3118
02:56:46.399 --> 02:56:48.559
yeah, because the games I've done
this, JRPGs, when I've played

3119
02:56:48.600 --> 02:56:52.239
them, it's just been like okay, but like I'm reading every word,

3120
02:56:52.600 --> 02:56:54.079
but I'm doing it, and that's
kind of speed reading thing where it's like

3121
02:56:54.280 --> 02:56:56.200
you know, you're reading a book
and you get like ten pages in you

3122
02:56:56.280 --> 02:57:00.520
realize I've been thinking about something else. It's that, but then like in

3123
02:57:00.559 --> 02:57:03.040
a game, you can't just like, oh, take me back ten textboxes,

3124
02:57:03.120 --> 02:57:05.479
you know, so like, yeah, every word ature thing. I

3125
02:57:05.520 --> 02:57:07.159
think sometimes I've done that. I
was like, all right, let me

3126
02:57:07.200 --> 02:57:09.479
captialize fifty minutes and then rewind just
to double check out. I've never done

3127
02:57:09.479 --> 02:57:13.200
it with video. I use it
a lot on the switch with because it's

3128
02:57:13.200 --> 02:57:16.840
so easy that one button screenshot capture
where it's like Mario Wattasy, like here's

3129
02:57:16.959 --> 02:57:20.200
this visual puzzle or a Zelda thing, like I gotta come back here.

3130
02:57:20.399 --> 02:57:22.000
You know, this person said this
thing, and I'll screencap that text.

3131
02:57:22.200 --> 02:57:26.440
You know that switched capture button.
So great. Turns out they did a

3132
02:57:26.440 --> 02:57:28.639
good job. That's just great.
I should make another one. Great idea,

3133
02:57:28.719 --> 02:57:33.200
they should make another one. So
I, uh yeah, I'm kind

3134
02:57:33.239 --> 02:57:37.280
of same. I always have been
with that stuff, just my thing.

3135
02:57:37.159 --> 02:57:41.719
Hello fire Escape. I was fortunate
enough to partake in Mike Maharty's wedding last

3136
02:57:41.799 --> 02:57:46.920
week. What it was beautiful.
However, at the end of the evening,

3137
02:57:46.079 --> 02:57:50.239
everyone went to an after party at
a dive bar. I went to

3138
02:57:50.319 --> 02:57:52.719
the bathroom, but there was a
line. As I waited, Tim Turry

3139
02:57:52.879 --> 02:57:56.079
came up behind me and said,
is this the line for the bathroom,

3140
02:57:56.399 --> 02:58:01.840
to which I responded yes. He
said, okay, thanks. What do

3141
02:58:01.959 --> 02:58:05.159
we do when we get to the
end of it? We stared at each

3142
02:58:05.159 --> 02:58:07.879
other for a moment, and then
I turned around without a word. We

3143
02:58:07.000 --> 02:58:11.840
did not speak for the rest of
the evening. Here's my question. Have

3144
02:58:11.959 --> 02:58:15.639
you ever had a friend that tries
to make you uncomfortable on purpose? Tell

3145
02:58:15.719 --> 02:58:20.120
me a good story about that friend. Love the pod Big fan Mary Mary

3146
02:58:20.200 --> 02:58:22.760
wrote in with that, m oh, you've been on a podcast with Mary?

3147
02:58:24.319 --> 02:58:26.120
You have? Well, I guess
the mid Max show that counts.

3148
02:58:26.879 --> 02:58:28.680
What do we do when we get
to the end of it. That is

3149
02:58:28.719 --> 02:58:33.079
a great At the very ti,
I can yes, very much picture that

3150
02:58:33.799 --> 02:58:37.920
a friend the purposely makes you uncomfortable. I mean I feel like I definitely

3151
02:58:37.920 --> 02:58:41.600
have had that, but in the
way that it was like high school or

3152
02:58:41.680 --> 02:58:43.319
college, and it was just a
drunk friend who's constantly like nut tapping you

3153
02:58:43.520 --> 02:58:48.239
and stuff like that, and or
just like you know, yeah, just

3154
02:58:48.319 --> 02:58:50.840
being like I had. There's a
guy who worked with a manager, a

3155
02:58:50.959 --> 02:58:54.319
manager at a place I worked at
in college, and he would come into

3156
02:58:54.360 --> 02:58:56.360
the like when I was peeing in
the urnal. He would come up behind

3157
02:58:56.440 --> 02:59:00.760
me and take his foot and not
kick, but he would put like his

3158
02:59:00.959 --> 02:59:05.040
toe part of his shoe up like
under my ball sack and just move it

3159
02:59:05.200 --> 02:59:07.920
up. Yeah you know, and
this is my manager and like cool guy

3160
02:59:09.159 --> 02:59:13.040
stuff. Oh boy. Yeah,
lots and lots of just moving my nutsack

3161
02:59:13.120 --> 02:59:16.959
up while I was paying. So
yeah, what the that sounds terrible?

3162
02:59:16.239 --> 02:59:20.920
Yeah, it seems like he's a
very successful, uh financial dude now or

3163
02:59:20.040 --> 02:59:24.440
something and he's earned it. Yeah
he was. He was something else,

3164
02:59:24.479 --> 02:59:28.520
I think. Oh yeah, he
got like black eyed drunk once and like

3165
02:59:28.639 --> 02:59:31.520
tried to kill me at a party. Yeah. Yeah, he's a frat

3166
02:59:31.559 --> 02:59:33.760
guy he was, he lifted himself
up by his own bootstraps and nutsack.

3167
02:59:33.840 --> 02:59:37.239
There there you go. Yeah,
so yeah, I feel like I just

3168
02:59:37.399 --> 02:59:41.760
I mainly knew those guys in college
just being like too much a lot of

3169
02:59:41.879 --> 02:59:43.760
just these are two separate guys,
the guys that was always tapped me and

3170
02:59:43.799 --> 02:59:46.399
the guy that moved my scrot him
up with his uh foot. Glad to

3171
02:59:46.479 --> 02:59:50.600
hear they're doing well. Yeah,
oh yeah, one of it's okay.

3172
02:59:50.520 --> 02:59:52.520
Yeah, I guess there's a fair
bit of this. You know, it's

3173
02:59:52.600 --> 02:59:56.040
like my friend Ronnie. I guess
it's a lot of just stupid messing with

3174
02:59:56.159 --> 03:00:00.079
him. I guess we kind of
have that type of relationship or like my

3175
03:00:00.159 --> 03:00:03.879
friend Jesse, Yeah, we'll definitely
like push push it just for comedy's sake,

3176
03:00:03.920 --> 03:00:07.280
you know, Like I know,
I always think of this. He's

3177
03:00:07.639 --> 03:00:11.159
toned down a bit in the reason
everyone's great, everyone's chilling. Yeah,

3178
03:00:11.559 --> 03:00:13.479
not Ronnie, but yeah, yeah, Ronnie's out of control, fucking grants

3179
03:00:13.520 --> 03:00:20.719
the problem. But anyway, universal
references on Max just so many people get

3180
03:00:20.760 --> 03:00:24.000
it, that's why. But I
just remember one time, my friend Jesse

3181
03:00:24.079 --> 03:00:28.879
always think of this. It's so
funny. We're stand around my kitchen drinking,

3182
03:00:28.760 --> 03:00:33.520
and he took a cap off his
beer bottle and then just walked over

3183
03:00:33.600 --> 03:00:37.520
to me and just like held my
pocket out and then just poured his bear

3184
03:00:37.600 --> 03:00:43.719
into my pucket. It's just a
hilarious thing that objectively very fussy. It's

3185
03:00:43.799 --> 03:00:50.200
just the best so funny margin I
part. I I realized that I was

3186
03:00:50.200 --> 03:00:54.520
probably that guy at many times,
and definitely that time. Tim Turry was

3187
03:00:54.559 --> 03:00:58.200
barbecuing and then played a barbecue meat
at your lakehouse and uh, I just

3188
03:00:58.280 --> 03:01:01.920
pulled it out of the microwaven parted
on it. Oh yeah, So he

3189
03:01:01.040 --> 03:01:03.760
was like trying to prepare a meal
for everybody. Yeah, and he sold

3190
03:01:03.799 --> 03:01:07.440
it very It was very funny how
he sold it, because no, no,

3191
03:01:07.559 --> 03:01:09.520
he was making it for himself.
For himself. This was like a

3192
03:01:09.799 --> 03:01:13.920
two and a half in the morning, two thirty in the morning thing where

3193
03:01:15.000 --> 03:01:18.000
everyone else is asleep, and he
remembered there was barbecue from like eight o'clock

3194
03:01:18.360 --> 03:01:22.479
and he was just heating up and
he was just standing by the microwave drunk,

3195
03:01:22.559 --> 03:01:26.159
staring at it. And I just
walked up, opened it, grabbed

3196
03:01:26.200 --> 03:01:28.840
the plate, farted on it,
and set it down on the table.

3197
03:01:28.079 --> 03:01:31.799
And Tim just looked so distraught,
and he put his hands up on his

3198
03:01:31.920 --> 03:01:35.879
face and slumped down against the wall
and just acted like he just witnessed the

3199
03:01:37.000 --> 03:01:41.159
massacre and it was kind of the
best case scenario there, but no good.

3200
03:01:41.239 --> 03:01:43.920
These are things I would not I
don't believe I do now. I

3201
03:01:43.000 --> 03:01:48.520
don't believe you're honor. I don't
recall if I'm that guy outside of just

3202
03:01:48.559 --> 03:01:50.959
like riling people up on a podcast
or something like that. I don't think

3203
03:01:50.000 --> 03:01:54.440
I'm like making uncomfortable guy. Yeah, well, so you haven't worked in

3204
03:01:54.479 --> 03:01:56.799
an office for a long time,
That is true. I'd be farting on

3205
03:01:56.840 --> 03:02:03.159
everything severy stapler. I misworking in
office, but I miss it very much.

3206
03:02:03.200 --> 03:02:05.879
So yeah, yeah, that's why
if anytime, like it's in person

3207
03:02:05.920 --> 03:02:07.760
thing wherever you hear when I've gone
to mind max and stuff like, Hey,

3208
03:02:07.879 --> 03:02:11.600
let's turned out we live here,
so let's let's do that. Uh,

3209
03:02:11.000 --> 03:02:16.959
next up. This seems to be
a reference to another week. Hey,

3210
03:02:16.040 --> 03:02:20.840
fire escape. Different parts of your
tongue don't taste different things salty,

3211
03:02:20.879 --> 03:02:24.000
sweet, acid, whatever, better
than others. This is made up.

3212
03:02:24.239 --> 03:02:26.959
You can taste a salty pretzel or
a fine a CeNSE. Heire the same

3213
03:02:28.120 --> 03:02:31.840
on any part of your tongue.
Don't listen to Mike's dumb elevated why no

3214
03:02:31.959 --> 03:02:35.600
bullshit. He's clearly in the pocket
a big tongue, drink a bud light

3215
03:02:35.680 --> 03:02:39.559
and tell him to suck it.
That's culin. I thought that was definitely

3216
03:02:39.559 --> 03:02:41.319
going Paul record at the end.
There no, no, no. So

3217
03:02:41.399 --> 03:02:46.360
here's then Colin has added the source
from the Smithsonian magazine about how this is

3218
03:02:46.399 --> 03:02:50.399
bullshit. And when I was putting
these emails together, I saw several different

3219
03:02:50.440 --> 03:02:56.520
emails source things saying like this is
bullshit that mister Wine himself Maharty has fallen

3220
03:02:56.600 --> 03:03:00.799
for. I love it because I
have seen that diagram so many times my

3221
03:03:00.879 --> 03:03:05.079
life of like different parts of the
tommy and yeah, yeah, so that's

3222
03:03:05.200 --> 03:03:07.959
just completely made up. I know
you can taste salt anywhere, but I

3223
03:03:07.000 --> 03:03:11.159
guess I had this whole thing in
like twenty years. I feel like that

3224
03:03:11.280 --> 03:03:16.120
idea of here's a diagram of the
tongue, different flavors, but under my

3225
03:03:16.200 --> 03:03:20.680
tongue like a sour thing. I'll
feel under the tongue more. But Smithsonian

3226
03:03:20.760 --> 03:03:24.360
debunked. Yeah, there we go. I find, folks, have I

3227
03:03:24.440 --> 03:03:26.600
been given Mike too much crap on
this episode? I feel like that's time

3228
03:03:26.600 --> 03:03:28.799
I was on fire. Scavest a
couple of comments like, hold crap Hanson's

3229
03:03:28.840 --> 03:03:30.719
meaning to Mike, and I realized
a couple of snide comments. No,

3230
03:03:30.920 --> 03:03:35.159
That's one of the great things about
Mike is uh he makes it easy to

3231
03:03:35.280 --> 03:03:39.479
give him shit, right, and
then when you do, he just rolls

3232
03:03:39.559 --> 03:03:41.600
with it and makes it fun in
a way like he gets it. And

3233
03:03:43.040 --> 03:03:45.760
uh, yeah, you don't have
to worry about that with Mike. Okay,

3234
03:03:45.799 --> 03:03:50.079
cool, Yeah, not at all. So yes, I'm uh,

3235
03:03:50.319 --> 03:03:52.520
she's a tyrant, all right.
I find, folks, what are some

3236
03:03:52.680 --> 03:03:56.760
genres of games that you have no
interest in at all as standalone games,

3237
03:03:56.840 --> 03:04:01.559
but enjoy when they are snuck into
games of a different genre as a minor

3238
03:04:01.680 --> 03:04:05.120
mechanic or a mini game. I
for one, have never played and probably

3239
03:04:05.200 --> 03:04:09.040
never will touch, a dating sim, but I had to fuck everyone in

3240
03:04:09.120 --> 03:04:11.079
Hades and Sturdy Valley. Balder's Gate
three is the game of the year for

3241
03:04:11.200 --> 03:04:15.000
me for the way they turned to
all of us, turned all of us

3242
03:04:15.079 --> 03:04:16.799
into bear perverts. I hope you
have a great day. That's Philip from

3243
03:04:16.799 --> 03:04:20.040
Finland. God Dan, if you
send me one more text on how much

3244
03:04:20.040 --> 03:04:22.239
you want to fuck that bear.
I just it's my whole thing. I

3245
03:04:22.319 --> 03:04:31.440
saw the trailer and I lost my
mind. That's what I said with a

3246
03:04:31.600 --> 03:04:35.639
mask. Jim Carrey A gift of
dear Twitter, did you see that bear?

3247
03:04:37.479 --> 03:04:43.239
Five? Am erect finally something to
fuck for? I have seen the

3248
03:04:43.319 --> 03:04:48.319
trailer for Balder's Gate three, a
video game that makes me horny. Where

3249
03:04:48.399 --> 03:04:54.079
do I give my money? Uh? I don't know why. The first

3250
03:04:54.079 --> 03:04:58.280
thing that comes to mind for me
is Undertail, in that I was never

3251
03:04:58.799 --> 03:05:03.239
like, and I like Undertail.
I don't like it's good, it's good.

3252
03:05:03.319 --> 03:05:05.600
Why why am I doing this thing? I feel like you're bringing this

3253
03:05:05.680 --> 03:05:09.159
out of me. I'm gonna blame
you, Undertail. I appreciated the way

3254
03:05:09.239 --> 03:05:16.360
that like, I always had a
real aversion to turn based traditional JRPG battle

3255
03:05:16.440 --> 03:05:20.760
mechanics, and from the time I
was a little kid and watching my cousin

3256
03:05:20.799 --> 03:05:22.479
Matt play games, and like,
I just like, why the fuck wouldn't

3257
03:05:22.479 --> 03:05:26.479
you just press it? Why wouldn't
you want to be involved in the action

3258
03:05:26.639 --> 03:05:31.319
instead of picking text the way Undertail
did that. But first of all,

3259
03:05:31.360 --> 03:05:37.559
the individual mechanics of it were like
interesting. They turned into the little mini

3260
03:05:37.680 --> 03:05:39.440
or bond hell thing or something like
that. But then also the actual fight

3261
03:05:39.520 --> 03:05:41.799
itself, there was like this interesting
way to all like tie it into the

3262
03:05:41.879 --> 03:05:46.399
story and all that, like I
appreciate, Like that made me not dread

3263
03:05:46.440 --> 03:05:48.680
that. Yeah, and the same
way that like a paper Mario or Mario

3264
03:05:48.680 --> 03:05:52.600
and Luigi, like just give me
something to do. Even if I'm picking

3265
03:05:52.680 --> 03:05:54.879
the thing where I kicked the shell
back and forth from a menu, when

3266
03:05:54.920 --> 03:05:56.959
the shell is going back and forth, I'm timing stuff. I feel like

3267
03:05:58.040 --> 03:06:01.680
the fun little mini game telling of
that. You should check out Tomato Adventure

3268
03:06:01.680 --> 03:06:03.079
in the game Boy Advance. I
think I saw you were streaming this.

3269
03:06:03.879 --> 03:06:07.000
I think I read you were something
and you were playing that and that looked

3270
03:06:07.040 --> 03:06:09.760
really it was Alpha Dream YEP,
it's Alpha Dream, the game they made

3271
03:06:09.959 --> 03:06:15.680
before the Mario Luigi series. But
every action in combat, like you're doing

3272
03:06:15.680 --> 03:06:20.040
all these different moves and they all
basically have a different warriorwar esque mini game

3273
03:06:20.159 --> 03:06:22.719
with the moves. But it just
makes you so much more invested in every

3274
03:06:22.760 --> 03:06:24.440
single thing. But you know,
see A Stars also has elements of that

3275
03:06:24.760 --> 03:06:26.600
action combat as well. And I
know you kind of bounced off that,

3276
03:06:26.680 --> 03:06:31.000
but I did. But I love
Marion Luigis so much yeah, is any

3277
03:06:31.000 --> 03:06:33.920
of the humor? Is it translated? Yeah? There is an English patch?

3278
03:06:33.079 --> 03:06:37.120
Yeap, okay, I assume you
have a ram of this if you

3279
03:06:37.239 --> 03:06:39.520
played it. That sounds like a
perfect analog pocket game. It does,

3280
03:06:39.600 --> 03:06:41.840
yea, because I'm always looking for
that and like every time I pull out

3281
03:06:41.879 --> 03:06:45.920
the pocket, like I'm just in
awe of that device. But I'm just

3282
03:06:46.000 --> 03:06:48.680
like, okay, I'm gonna advance. Wars looks really good on here we

3283
03:06:48.799 --> 03:06:52.239
started. It is one of the
wildest games Inintendo has published. Like the

3284
03:06:52.760 --> 03:06:56.520
enemy designs in that game are freaky
and weird. Like one of them I

3285
03:06:56.520 --> 03:07:01.479
always think of is just like it's
just like a baby with a pair of

3286
03:07:01.559 --> 03:07:05.559
scissors, but then they're like cuts
and bandages all over the baby. It's

3287
03:07:05.600 --> 03:07:09.600
just every enemy design that game is
just out there stuff. It's cool.

3288
03:07:09.879 --> 03:07:13.040
I adore those Martin Luigi games.
I adore the humor, the design,

3289
03:07:13.200 --> 03:07:16.639
the look, the action of all
that. Like, please please send me

3290
03:07:16.719 --> 03:07:20.280
that, and that will be my
go to analog pocket game. I don't

3291
03:07:20.319 --> 03:07:22.360
have the room anymore or anything.
I mean, I'm sure to find it,

3292
03:07:22.719 --> 03:07:26.079
Tomato. It's a cool. Remind
me because I'm gonna forget in thirty

3293
03:07:26.120 --> 03:07:28.920
seconds. I really want to play
that. Oh that sounds great at least

3294
03:07:28.920 --> 03:07:33.200
started. Yeah, okay, last
one. Sure, Oh I guess to

3295
03:07:33.200 --> 03:07:35.719
answer that question for me, it's
like, I guess, like puzzles.

3296
03:07:35.760 --> 03:07:37.440
If it's like, you know,
a game that's nothing but puzzles, like

3297
03:07:37.520 --> 03:07:41.680
a that kind of drains me a
little bit. But my first thought is

3298
03:07:41.719 --> 03:07:43.680
it made me think of win Waker, how I love doing the slide puzzles

3299
03:07:43.719 --> 03:07:46.440
and wind Waker where it's like it's
so weird, like it was so annoying

3300
03:07:46.479 --> 03:07:48.520
to a lot of people. I
get it, But remember I went over

3301
03:07:48.559 --> 03:07:50.840
to Ronnie's house when he was playing
it. It's like, oh, can

3302
03:07:50.879 --> 03:07:54.600
I just play all these slide puzzles? I think this is actually really fun

3303
03:07:54.719 --> 03:07:56.600
just to focus on this one little
thing. So even though if it's an

3304
03:07:56.680 --> 03:08:00.200
entire game of that, I'm sure
dragged me down. But just that that

3305
03:08:00.280 --> 03:08:03.479
little puzzle thing that's a self contained
puzzle within a game like whin Waker,

3306
03:08:03.479 --> 03:08:07.040
I'm all on board for it.
I always despise those because I as a

3307
03:08:07.120 --> 03:08:11.200
kid, I was obsessed with any
kind of logic puzzle, any kind of

3308
03:08:11.200 --> 03:08:13.479
like can I ever do the ones
where that it was the grid where it's

3309
03:08:13.520 --> 03:08:16.959
like Sally wears a red dress,
but she'd never stands next to Bill,

3310
03:08:16.200 --> 03:08:20.239
and then this guy will only go
to like just were you could deduce with

3311
03:08:20.360 --> 03:08:24.239
logic. It's why I love you
know, Sudoku across anything like that.

3312
03:08:26.120 --> 03:08:28.879
These that we're talking about, slide
puzzles, slide puzzles. I feel like

3313
03:08:30.360 --> 03:08:33.319
I could never wrap my head around, like I would get to a point

3314
03:08:33.440 --> 03:08:35.479
same with her, like rubikscues where
it's like, Okay, I get this

3315
03:08:35.479 --> 03:08:37.799
point where like eight of these things
are in the right spot, but like,

3316
03:08:37.520 --> 03:08:41.040
how the fuck I could never even
just like grasp the idea. I'm

3317
03:08:41.040 --> 03:08:43.319
sure there's some part of my brain
that is not clicking with that, but

3318
03:08:43.399 --> 03:08:46.680
yeah, I could never figure it
out. Yeah, there's still time for

3319
03:08:46.719 --> 03:08:50.440
you to learn. Man, When
Waker, if they put those HD versions

3320
03:08:50.520 --> 03:08:52.879
when Waker Twilight Princess, at this
point, they was saving for the switch

3321
03:08:52.920 --> 03:08:56.280
too, I would think, right, I would think so. But then

3322
03:08:56.280 --> 03:08:58.360
if they're getting out of the gate
with the Breath of the Wild remaster,

3323
03:08:58.440 --> 03:09:01.120
I know it's kind of like a
tech demo rumored, but if they're really,

3324
03:09:01.200 --> 03:09:03.879
I didn't know there was a rumor. Really, the rumor is that

3325
03:09:03.920 --> 03:09:07.719
they're showing a four K or at
least a sixty version of a Breath of

3326
03:09:07.760 --> 03:09:13.479
the Wild running on the switch to
not tears. No. Yeah, if

3327
03:09:13.479 --> 03:09:18.479
they launched that thing with in theory
Mario Kart nine and Breath of the Wild

3328
03:09:18.559 --> 03:09:24.399
remastered and a new mainline Mario,
probably within the first year. God,

3329
03:09:24.600 --> 03:09:26.680
okay, yes, yes, that's
twenty twenty four is the current thing?

3330
03:09:26.840 --> 03:09:30.639
You know what? I think we
just convinced Dan to buy the switch too.

3331
03:09:30.920 --> 03:09:35.040
Might get into it, this wild
dog. That's right, last email

3332
03:09:35.280 --> 03:09:39.280
we got, how did I scroll
up? Okay, high skbs. In

3333
03:09:39.399 --> 03:09:43.719
your last podcast, you talked about
how the little at a tip line is

3334
03:09:43.799 --> 03:09:48.159
everywhere and it's awkward. At a
college football game this weekend, go UW

3335
03:09:48.399 --> 03:09:52.120
Huskies, I was talking to a
guy working at concessions and he just straight

3336
03:09:52.200 --> 03:09:54.799
up said, oh, yeah,
that doesn't go to us. We get

3337
03:09:54.920 --> 03:09:58.959
none of it. Don't use it
here. Ever, how often is that

3338
03:09:58.079 --> 03:10:01.639
the case? How was that fucking
legal? How often is that line a

3339
03:10:01.760 --> 03:10:05.120
lie? I'm obsessed with this now. Also, punch Out looks more like

3340
03:10:05.159 --> 03:10:09.440
a flash game than a Honda.
Oh this is okay? Uh Joe in

3341
03:10:09.520 --> 03:10:11.879
Seattle, that's right, But is
he defending hollow night in there. No,

3342
03:10:11.920 --> 03:10:16.040
I think he's insulting punch out.
Yeah, there was something I went

3343
03:10:16.079 --> 03:10:20.920
to recently where like in New York, I think, where there was like

3344
03:10:20.040 --> 03:10:24.319
a tip line or something, and
it was the most egregious, just like

3345
03:10:24.000 --> 03:10:28.040
it was something where there wasn't even
a human involved. It was like one

3346
03:10:28.040 --> 03:10:33.399
of the things where it was like
I went into a place at the airport

3347
03:10:33.520 --> 03:10:37.319
or something literally did not see a
human being. Oh yeah, it was

3348
03:10:37.360 --> 03:10:39.120
at the airport. It was at
the airport, like Newark. And I

3349
03:10:39.200 --> 03:10:43.639
went to go buy like a bottle
of water or something, and no humans

3350
03:10:43.760 --> 03:10:46.680
in this space. And I went
to the self checkout, I scanned the

3351
03:10:46.760 --> 03:10:50.040
thing, I paid for it,
and it asked for a tip, and

3352
03:10:50.120 --> 03:10:52.879
I was like, wow, fuck
you Like no, like, look,

3353
03:10:54.079 --> 03:10:56.079
there are things where it's ippy where
it's just like oh okay, this place

3354
03:10:56.159 --> 03:11:00.719
that like no one's serving your table
or anything like that, right, And

3355
03:11:00.840 --> 03:11:03.399
I always do they'll like, let's
at least do they like, you know,

3356
03:11:03.600 --> 03:11:05.120
twenty or something like that, you
know, like or something like that,

3357
03:11:05.239 --> 03:11:07.719
he says, everybody. I mean, if something's like really nice,

3358
03:11:07.719 --> 03:11:11.159
I'll go more. Yeah. Yeah, I like to be it has to

3359
03:11:11.239 --> 03:11:16.239
be egregious for me to go under
twenty. Yeah. Yeah, I really

3360
03:11:16.280 --> 03:11:20.440
appreciate that automated thing, like anything
that takes the math out of my head.

3361
03:11:20.520 --> 03:11:24.040
Like oh, especially like in the
in the dating scene back in the

3362
03:11:24.159 --> 03:11:28.200
day when you're making polite conversation first, aight type of thing, and I

3363
03:11:28.319 --> 03:11:33.200
am the worst at math. Cannot
do it, really really, really bad.

3364
03:11:33.559 --> 03:11:37.479
Okay, thirty two dollars bill?
How much is twenty percent? Thirty

3365
03:11:37.479 --> 03:11:39.559
the other bill? I don't know. I would say forty I would I

3366
03:11:39.559 --> 03:11:43.319
would have tipped like eleven bucks.
Do you know a trick or anything for

3367
03:11:43.440 --> 03:11:46.799
it? People say you slide numbers? Are I can't? I just think

3368
03:11:46.879 --> 03:11:48.639
this thirty two bucks? No,
Dan, I don't know this, so

3369
03:11:48.719 --> 03:11:50.920
I can't learn it. How many
times you have to tell you hard,

3370
03:11:50.959 --> 03:11:54.959
dad, I get it. So
it's like I've had situations where's like on

3371
03:11:56.040 --> 03:11:58.600
a date like uh huh uh huh, and I look down try and write

3372
03:11:58.639 --> 03:12:00.239
the tip, and then it's like, oh, hey, now do the

3373
03:12:00.319 --> 03:12:01.600
math. It's like I don't.
I don't know. I'll just write a

3374
03:12:01.639 --> 03:12:05.319
different number down here that's higher,
Like I don't know which number they're gonna

3375
03:12:05.399 --> 03:12:07.920
use. But I connect to the
simple addition because I just panicked jeezu.

3376
03:12:09.639 --> 03:12:11.959
Yeah, yeah, it's a lot
of receipts. Now we'll have just the

3377
03:12:11.120 --> 03:12:13.520
like you know, eighteen is this, twenty is this? But like the

3378
03:12:13.600 --> 03:12:16.399
big fat fucking button when they whipped
the screen around, like that's the way

3379
03:12:16.440 --> 03:12:18.280
to go. Yeah, well,
what's your what's your like? Do you

3380
03:12:18.360 --> 03:12:20.879
have a rule if it's like you
go to a concession stand, like you

3381
03:12:22.040 --> 03:12:26.319
go to a concert or something,
and you go to buy a beer and

3382
03:12:26.399 --> 03:12:28.879
it's a fifteen dollars beer and they
whipped around and it's you know, like

3383
03:12:30.200 --> 03:12:33.079
do you that just happened to you
know, we're just ye's a stone driver?

3384
03:12:33.360 --> 03:12:35.639
Yeah yeah, And I was like
fifteen dollars beers or something, and

3385
03:12:35.719 --> 03:12:39.959
I was tipping every time and didn't
feel great about it. Yeah, I

3386
03:12:39.040 --> 03:12:45.760
mean that's I'll give some tip,
But that is that weird thing of like,

3387
03:12:45.799 --> 03:12:48.959
Okay, we're in this situation.
Those person's working, Like you've handed

3388
03:12:48.040 --> 03:12:52.879
me a thing, right, it's
not a lot of money for one beer.

3389
03:12:52.280 --> 03:12:56.399
Yeah, esp hearing this like it's
just straight up like some of these

3390
03:12:56.559 --> 03:13:01.319
don't go to them. That's the
whole point. Yeah, I'd like to

3391
03:13:01.360 --> 03:13:03.280
hear more about this. If if
that there is some Well, Joe is

3392
03:13:03.319 --> 03:13:07.280
in Seattle, so you're about to
be there, So okay, go for

3393
03:13:07.440 --> 03:13:13.399
just ask around for Joe. It's
mad about tips perfect. What do you

3394
03:13:13.639 --> 03:13:16.159
so? What are you doing in
Seattle? Uh? A friend's wedding.

3395
03:13:18.159 --> 03:13:22.879
His name is psych Saharty. Okay, no, yeah, so going out

3396
03:13:22.120 --> 03:13:26.280
there for a friend's wedding and then
we're having a mid max community meet up.

3397
03:13:26.280 --> 03:13:28.920
But by the time this is live, it already happened. But I'm

3398
03:13:28.959 --> 03:13:30.760
gonna miss it by about a week. I'll be in Seattle. Yeah,

3399
03:13:30.760 --> 03:13:33.639
but there's a there's a Minnesota theme
bar in Seattle called Pataski's. Is it

3400
03:13:35.000 --> 03:13:39.280
near downtown? Uh, Freedmont area, So I don't think so okay,

3401
03:13:39.319 --> 03:13:41.920
I mean not too far, but
yeah, it'll be fun. So Kelson

3402
03:13:41.959 --> 03:13:45.000
Lun lives out there obviously, so
it'll be with folks, and so I

3403
03:13:45.000 --> 03:13:46.600
should go there. Is that a
pink Gorilla, Yeah, Pinkerilla rules.

3404
03:13:46.639 --> 03:13:50.120
There's a couple of locations. Yeah, I've seen their their streams and stuff

3405
03:13:50.120 --> 03:13:50.760
like that. Shit I got her. I didn't eve think that. I'm

3406
03:13:50.799 --> 03:13:54.760
only there for like a day and
a half, but I've been I've been

3407
03:13:54.799 --> 03:13:56.680
wanting to go there yeah, I
should buy something there, Okay, you

3408
03:13:56.719 --> 03:13:58.280
should. Yeah, different locations are
great. I need to remember that,

3409
03:13:58.360 --> 03:14:03.799
okay. Right. That's the constant
thing of me is like anytime I think

3410
03:14:03.840 --> 03:14:05.079
of something, I'm so excited about
it right now and I want to do

3411
03:14:05.120 --> 03:14:09.120
it so bad. But I know
if I don't immediately like write it somewhere,

3412
03:14:09.159 --> 03:14:11.479
I'm fucked, you know. So
sure pink gorilla all caps, okay,

3413
03:14:13.760 --> 03:14:16.319
yeah, yeah, but it's ah
ever doing the Commuity meet up because

3414
03:14:16.319 --> 03:14:20.600
it's mid Max's fourth anniversary and this
will be this episode will go up before

3415
03:14:20.600 --> 03:14:22.559
you're out there, right, No, that's what I just said. No,

3416
03:14:22.159 --> 03:14:24.760
right, okay, yeah, yeah, but that's fine. Yeah,

3417
03:14:24.760 --> 03:14:30.000
so it'll be your fourth anniversary October
twenty fourth technically, so that's still a

3418
03:14:30.040 --> 03:14:33.000
little on the horizon, but yeah, damn we did that. Still slowly

3419
03:14:33.040 --> 03:14:35.680
growing, bringing in more and more
good folks. I keep an eye on

3420
03:14:35.719 --> 03:14:39.239
all this stuff, and I look
at all the Patreon charts, and yours

3421
03:14:39.399 --> 03:14:43.000
is the one that is consistently.
You just move it on up. Yeah,

3422
03:14:43.479 --> 03:14:48.799
it's us in the last and media, I think maybe, uh no,

3423
03:14:48.959 --> 03:14:50.680
there's the same same audience. No, but everyone's all over the place,

3424
03:14:50.680 --> 03:14:54.600
and it be fair like those those
graphs are a mess because for a

3425
03:14:54.600 --> 03:14:58.000
lot of folks that started factoring in
like the free follow thing on Patriots,

3426
03:14:58.000 --> 03:15:01.159
so like you know, everyone got
a crazy spike like in the last like

3427
03:15:01.239 --> 03:15:03.840
yeah, but I keep an eye
on the sto. Yeah, I saw

3428
03:15:03.959 --> 03:15:05.520
several people like it all like went
crazy, like what the fuck? And

3429
03:15:05.639 --> 03:15:09.120
then I saw it like the disclaimer
up topic. Oh Patreon chains some stuff

3430
03:15:09.200 --> 03:15:13.040
not just their logo and yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah it's

3431
03:15:13.040 --> 03:15:16.079
going. The mid Max Show is
our main podcast. If you're listening to

3432
03:15:16.120 --> 03:15:18.600
this, watching this, you can
check that out. That is free.

3433
03:15:18.639 --> 03:15:20.879
It's not a Patron exclusive any or
anything, so you can check that out

3434
03:15:20.959 --> 03:15:22.120
or YouTube channel. A bunch of
fun stuff going up there every week.

3435
03:15:22.559 --> 03:15:26.760
I can't say enough about what you're
doing over there, who you're working with,

3436
03:15:26.040 --> 03:15:31.280
what what you're putting out there.
Uh, it is uh admirable would

3437
03:15:31.319 --> 03:15:33.959
be to put it to uh lightly, it is very sweet. You're very

3438
03:15:33.959 --> 03:15:37.760
sweet. We're not healing the world, but I do you think I'm proud

3439
03:15:37.840 --> 03:15:41.840
of I feel like you're doing something
like fucking earnest and real and it's not.

3440
03:15:41.040 --> 03:15:43.959
There's there's not a single fucking thing
that's fake about it. You know,

3441
03:15:45.239 --> 03:15:46.399
every once in a while we have
well they don't have to. Everyone

3442
03:15:46.440 --> 03:15:48.280
sell you a thumbnail and I'm like, ah, this kind of gross.

3443
03:15:48.319 --> 03:15:50.440
Is it's kind of like reactions for
the stupid thing. But you have a

3444
03:15:50.520 --> 03:15:54.079
face on there. You know,
everyone understands the game and what you have

3445
03:15:54.200 --> 03:15:56.120
to do, and we all have
to do dumb shit to you know,

3446
03:15:56.280 --> 03:16:00.920
with an algorithm or something. You
know, sure, sure, uh yeah,

3447
03:16:00.959 --> 03:16:03.719
no. I think I'm proud of
finding that sweet spot like One Up

3448
03:16:03.840 --> 03:16:07.079
is you know my bell Weather for
all games covers, like they were the

3449
03:16:07.159 --> 03:16:11.680
biggest deal for me. Who is
the most well known from that gold in

3450
03:16:11.760 --> 03:16:13.920
what you would call the Golden air
now or back then? Let's say now,

3451
03:16:13.959 --> 03:16:18.079
because I don't really know anything about
it. I mean would Luke Smith

3452
03:16:18.319 --> 03:16:22.840
from now he said Bungee? Would
he mean in terms of like I I

3453
03:16:22.879 --> 03:16:26.079
guess if they were both there,
like those are both people doing the major

3454
03:16:26.680 --> 03:16:33.159
I'm I mean, oh boy,
what's John Davison is super high up at

3455
03:16:33.200 --> 03:16:37.000
IGN. He's been every So when
I think of John Davison, I think

3456
03:16:37.040 --> 03:16:39.120
of EGM right, but he has
been I didn't realize he was with One

3457
03:16:39.159 --> 03:16:41.719
Up or whatever. He was like
all amazing days for me. I I

3458
03:16:41.799 --> 03:16:46.000
talked to him at it was at
Summer Games Stress this year. I I

3459
03:16:46.120 --> 03:16:48.520
specifically I talked to Davison, I
talked to Victor Lucas. I talked to

3460
03:16:48.600 --> 03:16:50.239
guys that, like, you know, it's just like, oh man,

3461
03:16:50.319 --> 03:16:54.799
they're still still doing this. That's
cool around what's that do they say?

3462
03:16:54.879 --> 03:16:58.239
Jaden? No? Okay, no, no, Like I'm not going to

3463
03:16:58.280 --> 03:17:01.239
say I know either closely with when
they came by, I just made sure

3464
03:17:01.280 --> 03:17:03.879
to be like, hey, you
know what, you're part of an era

3465
03:17:03.040 --> 03:17:05.920
that, like I grew up on
and made me want to like do this

3466
03:17:05.959 --> 03:17:11.319
shit. Hey by gun era boys
come over here, old guys, they're

3467
03:17:11.319 --> 03:17:15.200
great. Yeah. Yeah. Anyways, So the point is what I feel

3468
03:17:15.200 --> 03:17:18.079
like, they they hit that ratio
really well of like having fun, but

3469
03:17:18.159 --> 03:17:22.360
also we're gonna try really hard to
have some really intelligent conversations about games,

3470
03:17:22.399 --> 03:17:24.040
and so I always feel like,
okay, if we can hit that fifty

3471
03:17:24.040 --> 03:17:28.799
to fifty ratio, you know,
the deepest dives are big game club discussions,

3472
03:17:28.840 --> 03:17:31.799
where we have the most throw discussions
about these games on the Internet,

3473
03:17:31.879 --> 03:17:33.399
especially compared to most other outlets out
there. It's like all they'll talk about

3474
03:17:33.399 --> 03:17:35.520
on the podcast, maybe they'll do
a spoiler cast and stuff, but being

3475
03:17:35.520 --> 03:17:39.200
able to dive in, like,
oh, let's talk about Final Final seven

3476
03:17:39.239 --> 03:17:43.440
remake for seventeen hours Sodays. We're
doing Allen Wake two. This is gonna

3477
03:17:43.440 --> 03:17:46.079
be the next one. So that's
coming up very very soon, twenty seventh,

3478
03:17:46.120 --> 03:17:50.799
this week, this week, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

3479
03:17:50.200 --> 03:17:56.799
Oh there's too many fucking jobs fucking
such stout us cool. Uh yeah,

3480
03:17:56.879 --> 03:17:58.319
So we're doing a three part game
club discussion for that, and if your

3481
03:17:58.360 --> 03:18:01.920
patron support or you can write in, we'll read your comments on the air

3482
03:18:01.959 --> 03:18:03.639
because it's kind of fun because we
have, you know, thirty five hundred

3483
03:18:03.639 --> 03:18:07.840
patron supporters now, and so like
tapping into that hive mind of like you

3484
03:18:07.959 --> 03:18:09.879
play the game, tell us what
you think, and then we'll we read

3485
03:18:09.920 --> 03:18:13.719
almost every comment and you know,
just like when you're taking that hive mind

3486
03:18:13.760 --> 03:18:16.879
and bringing up the greatest points from
everybody, so you can have a really

3487
03:18:18.159 --> 03:18:20.559
informed, fun conversation about a game. And so yeah, that'll be coming

3488
03:18:20.639 --> 03:18:22.920
up soon here at midmex So if
you're a fan of Allan Wake or you

3489
03:18:24.000 --> 03:18:28.159
just like the format, please help
support it because it's wildly impractical to talk

3490
03:18:28.200 --> 03:18:31.360
about one game this much. There's
a reason big outlets don't do it.

3491
03:18:31.440 --> 03:18:33.159
But we can only do it because
of a freaky independent system. We got

3492
03:18:33.200 --> 03:18:35.920
here thanks to Patreon. Well,
I implore everyone, if you're listening to

3493
03:18:37.000 --> 03:18:39.440
this, do what he says.
Men Max, It's gonna go bad if

3494
03:18:39.479 --> 03:18:45.559
you don't. There's men Max with
two ends. Great crewer there. I

3495
03:18:45.559 --> 03:18:48.719
can't say enough about them. Ben, thank you so much for driving over

3496
03:18:48.799 --> 03:18:50.719
here and talking to me for three
and a half hours. Yeah, I

3497
03:18:50.760 --> 03:18:52.879
love it. I'm still gonna try
to make you play a point playing for

3498
03:18:52.879 --> 03:18:56.200
a second. Let's see what does
Mike do at the end of this.

3499
03:18:56.239 --> 03:19:01.239
So I guess we all do a
thing new merge. I don't know if

3500
03:19:01.280 --> 03:19:05.280
that's still available, so you figure
it out. Plug Patreon. We have

3501
03:19:05.399 --> 03:19:09.120
a Patreon. You can get ad
free stuff, you can get video.

3502
03:19:09.479 --> 03:19:13.319
Look, if you're a video person, you can see what we do right

3503
03:19:13.399 --> 03:19:20.319
now. We're thinking about the bear, thinking about what the bear? Oh

3504
03:19:20.440 --> 03:19:24.040
right, Ray, we're horny by
the bear. Yeah, yeah, yes,

3505
03:19:24.159 --> 03:19:26.319
we gotta tip to our if you
don't want to do the whole five

3506
03:19:26.399 --> 03:19:28.079
or eight or whatever we have there
and it goes directly to us, goes

3507
03:19:28.120 --> 03:19:33.600
directly to all three of us.
So, uh, we got socials,

3508
03:19:33.719 --> 03:19:35.479
we got all that stuff. I'm
not gonna plug the rest of things that

3509
03:19:35.520 --> 03:19:43.040
already happened. But evil who knows
great? Uh, what do you have

3510
03:19:43.120 --> 03:19:48.639
like a flawless That's what I'm talking
about. Let's lay on the host take

3511
03:19:48.719 --> 03:19:52.360
some notes. Mike I took a
note. It's just pink gorilla in all

3512
03:19:52.479 --> 03:19:58.319
caps. That's come all right,
I'm gonna end this podcast. Ben,

3513
03:19:58.479 --> 03:20:01.760
thanks for joining you bet yeah bye
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