1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:06,599 You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network, the best in paranormal talk radio 2 00:00:06,799 --> 00:00:13,320 in the UK and around the world. Paranormal Dimensions is fortnightly on Mondays on 3 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:26,199 the Paranormal UK Radio Network. Whatever or whoever it is that haunts the house, 4 00:00:27,039 --> 00:00:32,280 the manifestations are the most powerful and evil in their experience. They all 5 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:37,759 mentioned nameless horrors. Ah, that's foolish of you to go where those monsters 6 00:00:37,799 --> 00:01:19,400 can lay hands on you. You're listening to Paranormal Dimensions with David Young, 7 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:25,359 part of the Paranormal UK Radio Network, the UK's biggest Visit us for new 8 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:37,920 episodes fortnightly on Mondays. For now, let's start today's show. Hello, 9 00:01:38,079 --> 00:01:41,599 Welcome to the show. This is show number two hundred and one. If 10 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:45,519 you've missed show number two hundred which was last week with Maria Weekly, then 11 00:01:45,519 --> 00:01:49,079 I hope you'll catch up with it. It's still available and always will be. 12 00:01:49,319 --> 00:01:53,400 Now, I did explain on that show that I'm doing a series of 13 00:01:53,599 --> 00:01:56,959 catch up shows because I was a little bit ill because I had a bad 14 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:00,480 cold a couple of weeks ago. So last week's show was it you running 15 00:02:00,519 --> 00:02:02,120 late? This particular show was meant to have been on last week, so 16 00:02:02,239 --> 00:02:07,000 now it's on this week and it's a special. It's an extra show, 17 00:02:07,239 --> 00:02:09,159 which I do occasionally when I'm trying to catch up with things, so I 18 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:14,000 hope you're going to enjoy it. It's actually two hours on this particular occasion, 19 00:02:14,159 --> 00:02:15,240 so I hope you can stick with it. I'm sure you'll find it 20 00:02:15,319 --> 00:02:22,039 very interesting. My guest is a mister Wayne Sedan. He runs Spookani Paranormal 21 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:24,960 Investigations. But just before we go into that show, i'd just like to 22 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:30,879 say thank you for the feedback on last week's show with Maria Weekley. It 23 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:35,000 seems to have gone down very well and people have been saying how they much 24 00:02:35,039 --> 00:02:38,439 they enjoyed it, So thank you for that, and thank you for Maria 25 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:40,520 for being such a great guest as always. So with that out of the 26 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:46,240 way, i'd like to introduce Wayne Seden, this particular show's guest. So 27 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:50,199 here we go with Wayne Sedon. Hello, Wayne, welcome to the show. 28 00:02:51,039 --> 00:02:55,000 Good evening, or should I call you mister Spokanory, you can call 29 00:02:55,039 --> 00:03:00,680 me mister Spokani if you like. So you've got this the group. It's 30 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:05,000 a good name, Spookinry. I think you do investigations under that? Is 31 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:08,199 that correct? Yeah? I have I have two groups. I have one 32 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:16,159 Seed and Presents Spookinry, which is my my book group after my all my 33 00:03:16,199 --> 00:03:21,680 books, so people can keep up to date with my progress on which books 34 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:25,840 are released being released soon and projects that I'm doing with my writing. And 35 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:30,319 I also have the Spookinry Events Limited, which is the public events side of 36 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:36,840 things, which I have in links with the online show that I host, 37 00:03:36,879 --> 00:03:43,240 Truth Beyond Paranormal. So all of my team that are with me on Spookinory 38 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:49,479 Events Limited are the same team that film for Truth Beyond Paranormal, right. 39 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:53,000 And I think it's easy to get to think where you've got the name Spookinry 40 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:57,560 from, because if you think eld Jack and Ry, I suppose you're thinking 41 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:00,360 along that line. Is that? Is that right? Yeah? It's exactly 42 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:05,080 what I was doing because all the books that I've written so far have all 43 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:13,039 been ghost stories. I thought, well, you know the word spooky, 44 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:16,680 which is my nickname anyway, and I thought, do you know what you 45 00:04:16,759 --> 00:04:23,360 had Jack and Rory where children's stories were being told minor ghost stories, So 46 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:28,279 spooky Ory that fits the bill. Funny you say spooky because I used to 47 00:04:28,319 --> 00:04:32,959 work on spooky, spooky gunships. But that's another story. That's yeah, 48 00:04:32,959 --> 00:04:38,040 we'll talk a bit about your books as we go along. How did you 49 00:04:38,079 --> 00:04:41,519 actually how did you actually get into this thing in the first place? Was 50 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:46,399 it when you were very young? Yeah, my granddad used to work down 51 00:04:46,439 --> 00:04:54,360 in the shipyards in the town we live in with and Hope always had a 52 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:59,399 mariner's history. They used to build a lot of ships there. The famous, 53 00:05:00,399 --> 00:05:05,319 the famous clipper of the Copillar used to be was built here and when 54 00:05:05,319 --> 00:05:10,040 it was retired out of service, it was dry docked here as well, 55 00:05:10,079 --> 00:05:14,480 and the actual hull of the Copillar. He's actually in one of the newest 56 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:20,360 estates in the town itself, and oddly enough, I live in the Inner 57 00:05:20,399 --> 00:05:27,120 Close, named after the ship's weird But my granddad used to work down at 58 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:32,319 Cooks' Shipyard, and before well, I say before they shut down, they 59 00:05:32,319 --> 00:05:38,399 would have probably stayed around a lot longer. My granddad was killed in an 60 00:05:38,399 --> 00:05:46,519 accident down there, and shortly after then Cooks' Shipyard shut down, and there 61 00:05:46,519 --> 00:05:55,279 were a lot of people believe that my granddad haunted the shipyard, and so 62 00:05:56,079 --> 00:05:59,759 sort of eventually me and my friends plucked up the courage to go down there. 63 00:06:00,759 --> 00:06:06,160 And the only plate way you could get into one particular building was there 64 00:06:06,199 --> 00:06:13,000 was like a horseshoe do docking area, and you could go down the side 65 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:17,399 of a warehouse and round the back which overlooked all the mud on the river, 66 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:23,720 and then back around the other side upper ladder across the top of a 67 00:06:23,759 --> 00:06:29,079 warehouse which the floor had been removed, and just left the beams going across 68 00:06:29,439 --> 00:06:33,600 and in through a door into what would have been a wages room or something. 69 00:06:33,639 --> 00:06:38,240 It was part of an old building and it had been all boarded up. 70 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:41,519 There was no way of getting into that house apart from the way we 71 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:46,519 went in. And we went down the stairs to the ground floor, and 72 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:49,399 as we turned left into this room, there was a little beam of light 73 00:06:49,439 --> 00:06:55,240 coming through the window and shining on an old armchair. But in the armchair 74 00:06:55,680 --> 00:07:00,560 we saw an arm and a wrinkly hand with a and rolled cigarette in it. 75 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:05,839 Yeah, And I'm like, oh my god, and a cigarette was 76 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:12,279 still burning, so it had only just been lit. And that was it 77 00:07:12,319 --> 00:07:14,920 for us. We'd all seen it. We all said no, we're off, 78 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:18,360 and we shot back up the stairs back across this warehouse back outside. 79 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:21,879 A couple of us got muddy in the process because some went one way, 80 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:27,800 some went the other. We went back about two hours later. We could 81 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:32,279 not find any other way to get into this building. And in all honesty, 82 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:38,959 I personally think an older gentleman would not have been able to have done 83 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:43,959 what we did to get in there. But a couple of us had said 84 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,519 there was nothing else in that building. There was no kitchen or anything, 85 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:50,199 so there was no nowhere he could have stored anything, so he couldn't have 86 00:07:50,199 --> 00:07:55,319 been living in there, but we couldn't tell how he got in, and 87 00:07:55,360 --> 00:08:01,240 as a result, it sparked more of my interest because after my granddad had 88 00:08:01,279 --> 00:08:05,040 died, I swore blind. I could see him, and for about six 89 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:11,600 months I kept saying to my mum, Granddad's coming and visiting me, and 90 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:15,680 she was like, no, it's because you're missed him so much. But 91 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:18,920 I could see him clearly standing at the end of my bed. It was 92 00:08:18,959 --> 00:08:22,079 this black silhouette. But I knew it was him because my granddad had rather 93 00:08:22,199 --> 00:08:30,160 large ears. He was a bit like Lee Marvin, right, yeah, 94 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:35,799 spitting him into Lee Marvin the actor, and he had these big ears. 95 00:08:35,879 --> 00:08:39,879 So I knew it was him, and one night my mum had actually stood 96 00:08:39,919 --> 00:08:48,080 outside my bedroom door and heard me having a conversation with him, and it 97 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:52,960 was a full blown conversation and how everybody was, how everybody was coping with 98 00:08:52,039 --> 00:08:58,559 him passing. And the following morning, I've gone downstairs. She's in floods 99 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:03,759 of tears because I've just come downstairs after she's witnessed all of this, the 100 00:09:03,799 --> 00:09:09,879 conversation, and she was shocked. She said, you were talking to your 101 00:09:09,879 --> 00:09:13,279 grandad. I'm sorry, I didn't believe it. Wow. And since then, 102 00:09:13,519 --> 00:09:20,039 it's always been something that's fascinated with me, is that you know we 103 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:28,679 have a physical After what I experienced, I believe there is something after it, 104 00:09:28,759 --> 00:09:33,200 so I wanted to continue to look into whether there is something after the 105 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:35,679 physical dies. Sure, yeah, Well did you do you have any interesting 106 00:09:35,759 --> 00:09:41,399 ghosts and stuff before that? Not really, because my granddad died when I 107 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:46,919 was six, So you know, when you when you're six year old, 108 00:09:46,919 --> 00:09:50,279 but you're more interested in playing with toys and stuff. And shortly after my 109 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:56,639 granddad was killed, that was when I witnessed what I believe was my first 110 00:09:56,679 --> 00:10:01,919 paranormal experience. So how old were you actually then? I was six when 111 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:05,120 my granddad died, and I was almost seven when I first saw him. 112 00:10:05,919 --> 00:10:09,799 That's what I'm saying. Nowadays you don't keep see kids out at that sort 113 00:10:09,799 --> 00:10:13,799 of age too, But I know when we were in our younger years, 114 00:10:13,799 --> 00:10:16,399 we were sort of always out on the streets and that sort of age. 115 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:22,360 I mean, we had the group of friends I had were all similar to 116 00:10:22,399 --> 00:10:26,440 my age and my sister's age, which were three years older, and my 117 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:28,039 mum and dad always said you could go off out, but as long as 118 00:10:28,039 --> 00:10:33,279 you're back before the street lights come on, Yeah, that's mine. We 119 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:37,480 didn't have mobile phones in them days, so it wasn't just you know, 120 00:10:37,759 --> 00:10:41,279 my mum's bringing I better get home, you know, it was street lights 121 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:48,879 come on, off hoe quick. But it was when I was actually by 122 00:10:48,919 --> 00:10:52,080 the time we actually went down to the shipyard and started looking around, I 123 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:56,039 was about ten or eleven then, so it was a few years after I 124 00:10:56,120 --> 00:11:03,799 first experienced it. But in between I would watching documentaries. I loved watching 125 00:11:03,879 --> 00:11:07,360 Arthur C. Club's Worlds of Strange Powers, so that boosted my interest. 126 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:16,080 I'd read books on UFO sightings, ghost sightings and things like that, so 127 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:20,679 my interest was sort of pretty solid in that time. And then when I 128 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:24,960 was old enough to go out further afield with my friends, then we started 129 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:31,360 going further afield. But in a sense it sort of I don't know. 130 00:11:31,799 --> 00:11:35,799 Some people say it twisted my mind, because I can remember when I was 131 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:41,440 about nine, maybe ten, something convinced me to write something on the outside 132 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:46,840 of my bedroom wall. So I leaned out the window and I started drawing 133 00:11:48,279 --> 00:11:52,519 symbols on the wall, down the wall, just outside the window frame. 134 00:11:52,919 --> 00:12:00,759 And it wasn't until earlier this year, I think it was February time that 135 00:12:00,879 --> 00:12:05,720 one of the symbols actually was identical to the moon and venus, and I 136 00:12:05,759 --> 00:12:11,399 hadn't noticed it before, but Venus passed in exactly the right point where you 137 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:18,639 had the crescent moon and venus within point of the points of moon, and 138 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:22,279 that that was the exact symbol I had on my wall. And weirdly enough, 139 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:26,000 those symbols have never come off that wall. They're still there today on 140 00:12:26,039 --> 00:12:28,759 the side of the wall. Rain, isn't it So what did you draw 141 00:12:28,879 --> 00:12:33,919 one? Was it just chalk? I'd used white paint. Well, I 142 00:12:35,039 --> 00:12:37,559 used to love doing things like air fixed kits, and I've got lots of 143 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:43,960 white paint and I just literally random just started putting all these symbols on the 144 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:46,639 wall. I don't know what they meant. Thought that would come off by 145 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:50,159 now those years ago. Yeah, but it's still on there now. I 146 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:56,440 mean I had to take a photograph from my mate Mark Manley, because yeah, 147 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:58,440 it was. It was on the show actually a few shows back, 148 00:13:00,519 --> 00:13:03,399 as you know. We were talking about it and he went, you're still 149 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:05,159 on there. I said, yeah, I'll send you a picture. So 150 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:09,000 I went out in the garden and took a picture of it and he went, 151 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:11,480 oh my god, and you were how old? I said, I 152 00:13:11,759 --> 00:13:15,480 must have been about seven, eight, maybe nine. I can't remember offhand, 153 00:13:15,639 --> 00:13:24,200 because you're seventy six now, aren't you. I feel like we read 154 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:26,679 the wrong way. That's meal. I think they've been there for what forty 155 00:13:26,799 --> 00:13:31,799 years? Yeah, that's amazing. It's never come off. But like we 156 00:13:31,919 --> 00:13:37,320 said, back in them days, paint was made of different things and paint 157 00:13:37,399 --> 00:13:41,960 lasted, but that was never washed off. No one ever tried to paint 158 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:46,559 over it or anything because it's normal brick wall. And my dad even never 159 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:50,720 bothered to get up a ladder and try and take it off for white spirit 160 00:13:50,799 --> 00:13:54,799 or anything. So they just left it on there. So you've got no 161 00:13:54,919 --> 00:13:58,519 explanation as to why that was into entering your head to do these symbols. 162 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:03,120 Nope, And I look at them now and I still don't understand what they 163 00:14:03,159 --> 00:14:07,080 mean. And so I saw I looked up at the sky back in I 164 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:13,360 think it was February when Venus passed past the moon, and it actually went 165 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:16,200 in line with the very first symbol that i'd drawn on the wall. Well, 166 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:22,039 and I'm like, oh my god, and I'm pointing to my partner 167 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:24,679 Ellen and said to her, look at the moon and look at where Venus 168 00:14:24,799 --> 00:14:28,759 is. And she went right. I said, now look at the bedroom 169 00:14:28,799 --> 00:14:31,799 wall. She looked up and she went, my god, they're in the 170 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:35,120 same place. Said yeah, but I couldn't tell you how I knew that 171 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:39,360 was going to be there. Yeah. I say, it's strange that you 172 00:14:39,799 --> 00:14:41,960 actually thought you'd got to look up at that time, because I mean, 173 00:14:43,039 --> 00:14:46,480 I suppose you do that every night, do you look up? So we 174 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:48,759 were just out in the garden having a cigarette, and I turned to my 175 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:52,759 left and I looked up and I saw the moon there, and I saw 176 00:14:54,279 --> 00:14:58,320 the star, and then it reminded me of it and so I turned and 177 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:01,960 looked up at it, but literally the talkch on my mobile phone and pointed 178 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:03,960 it to Ellen and she's like, oh my god, they're the same. 179 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:09,480 It's in the same position. What it means, I don't know, but 180 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:15,159 it's I'm just waiting for the other symbols. Now, yeah, well you 181 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:20,919 would do so. I mean, have you have you got any clearvoyant abilities 182 00:15:20,919 --> 00:15:22,960 of your own? Do you know? I mean, I know we've got. 183 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:26,480 I think we've all got a little bit, but you developed I'm I 184 00:15:28,559 --> 00:15:33,559 don't want to be, but I am very I am succeptible to spirit. 185 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:41,919 Way back in two thousand and one, I think it was I moved into 186 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:48,120 my sister's house because she'd moved to Corfu, and so I offered to rent 187 00:15:48,159 --> 00:15:52,759 her house because working with my parents and living with my parents was a bit 188 00:15:52,799 --> 00:15:58,440 of a strain, so I offered to take on renting my sister's house while 189 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:03,159 she was away. And the moment I moved in, strange things started happening 190 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:07,440 in the house. I had things being moved from one place to the other, 191 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:12,200 and yet I was the only person. Now. I then had lodgers 192 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:21,360 move in, and the first lodger she was my third cousin, and at 193 00:16:21,399 --> 00:16:25,799 the time I was working, I just started working with most haunties and I 194 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:27,600 said to them. I said to her, most Hauntings on tonight, do 195 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:30,559 you want to watch it? She went, oh, no, no, 196 00:16:30,559 --> 00:16:33,720 no, I don't believe in that stuff. And out of nowhere, I 197 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:36,320 just turned around and said, will you'd be careful because there's a ghost here 198 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:41,480 called Joanne. She doesn't like that, and she went, oh, I 199 00:16:41,519 --> 00:16:45,960 don't believe in ghosts. Next minute, she screams, I've gone running into 200 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,480 the doorways. What's the matter with you? She's stand there why as a 201 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:56,240 ghost? She's shocked? And I went, what's the matter? She pointed 202 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:57,840 to the floor and there in the middle of the floor in the kitchen, 203 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:03,759 which is about fifteen foot by fifteen foot, he's stand there pointing at the 204 00:17:03,799 --> 00:17:07,480 floor, and there's this can of spaghetti sitting there upright so you can read 205 00:17:07,519 --> 00:17:11,200 the words. And I went, and what's that doing on the floor? 206 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:15,319 She said, it flew out of the cupboard at me. Really yet I 207 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:19,000 opened the cupboard door. The cam flew straight at my head and hit the 208 00:17:19,039 --> 00:17:22,519 wall opposite and then landed back in the middle of the floor. Wow. 209 00:17:22,599 --> 00:17:29,039 Because of mister reddoo. Yeah, so I've looked at the wall and there's 210 00:17:29,079 --> 00:17:33,160 a dent that sent meter deep in the wall. Yeah, the carry it's 211 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:38,160 an old it's an old terraced house, so the walls in between the houses 212 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:42,279 are quite thin. So this can had made this dent in the wall. 213 00:17:44,559 --> 00:17:48,319 And I went right, So this is where we have to be scientific, 214 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:51,759 and she went, look, what do you mean? So I measured the 215 00:17:51,839 --> 00:17:56,240 height from where the can was in the cupboard to the floor and then the 216 00:17:56,279 --> 00:18:00,640 point where the dent was to the floor, and it was exactly seven foot 217 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:08,039 off the floor on both sides. And then the scientific mode goes in. 218 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:12,880 I'm like gravity, and what about it? I said, if that was 219 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:18,039 seven foot high in the cupboard, it's not going to be seven foot high 220 00:18:18,039 --> 00:18:22,839 on the wall opposite because as it travels it drops because of gravity. She 221 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:27,599 went right. I said, so how is it still seven foot when it's 222 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:33,240 hit the wall the other side? And then he dawned on that. She 223 00:18:33,319 --> 00:18:36,359 went, that can't be. That's not right. I said, the measurements 224 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:42,279 are there, And then must have been about three months later. We always 225 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:47,160 used to go down to the local Chinese takeaway and we'd order a set menu, 226 00:18:47,559 --> 00:18:49,960 and we'd split it in half. One night she'd come home, she'd 227 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:55,400 brought her Chinese. I'd already eaten, so she split the meal in half, 228 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:59,799 put the second half on a plate, wrapped it in kings film, 229 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:03,519 and put a sweet and sour sauce on the top of it. I put 230 00:19:03,519 --> 00:19:07,200 it in the fridge. And the following night was the same thing again, 231 00:19:07,279 --> 00:19:10,880 said most aunties on tonight. Do you want to watch it? No? 232 00:19:11,279 --> 00:19:14,480 You know what. I don't like this. I don't like all that stuff. 233 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:18,079 Next minute, she screams blue murder again, and I've heard this crash. 234 00:19:19,319 --> 00:19:23,160 So I've gone running into the kitchen and there's this plate Chinese food on 235 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:29,000 the floor, upside down. Plate's broken. She again is standing there wires 236 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:32,920 a sheet. What's the maw? She said? I opened the fridge store 237 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:37,079 and the plate flew at me. Wow. So I said, you've upset 238 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:44,119 your am again, And I hadn't you know, I'm not really twigged that 239 00:19:44,599 --> 00:19:48,039 that's what it could have been. I was just joking with her, but 240 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:52,119 the name Jeanne came out. Every time something happened. I'd go, oh, 241 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:55,279 Joanne, can you put it back please? I'd be talking to nothing, 242 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:59,680 as far as I was concerned. Never dawned on me that there was 243 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:03,799 something in there. And she turned around and she says, I just opened 244 00:20:03,839 --> 00:20:06,720 the fridge door and the plate flew at me. It hit me in the 245 00:20:06,799 --> 00:20:10,920 chest and then hit the floor. So I went with it openly. Wanted 246 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:15,359 to hurt you that time, but I told you, don't dis ghosts because 247 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:21,599 Johanne doesn't like it. And she was like, oh, she said, 248 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:25,319 no, that's it. She said, I've had enough, and she storms 249 00:20:25,319 --> 00:20:27,759 off upstairs. I opened the fridge door and the tub of sweet and sour 250 00:20:27,799 --> 00:20:32,759 sauce is still sitting on the shelf. So I called up to her. 251 00:20:32,799 --> 00:20:34,279 I said, did you actually remove the sweet and sour sauce? She said 252 00:20:34,279 --> 00:20:38,599 no, I didn't get a chance to. So whatever it was, which 253 00:20:38,759 --> 00:20:42,559 I've always said was Joanne had picked up the tub of sweet and sour sauce, 254 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:45,960 threw the plate at her, and then put the sauce back on the 255 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:52,759 shelf. Well, she's adamant she didn't touch it. And I think two 256 00:20:52,799 --> 00:20:57,160 weeks later she moved out. I've had another lodger moved in after that, 257 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:03,720 and he swore black and he saw a white mist in the doorway, and 258 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:07,240 I'd already warned him about Joanne, and he just turned around and went, 259 00:21:07,279 --> 00:21:10,720 you've got the wrong room, Joanne. He's in the other room. And 260 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:15,599 this white miss just went through the door and disppeared, and it was almost 261 00:21:15,599 --> 00:21:21,240 sick he was talking to her. So after that, I then turned around 262 00:21:21,279 --> 00:21:27,000 and I knew of a medium nearby who an ex girlfriend's mum had been to 263 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:30,440 visit, and she was spot on with the reading that she'd been given. 264 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:37,559 So I gave this lady a call. She didn't want any details. She 265 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:41,960 said, I will get us into Colchester, tell me where you want to 266 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:45,960 meet me and we'll go to your house. So she got off at East 267 00:21:45,039 --> 00:21:49,759 Gates in Colchester. I met her there. I reimbursed her for a busphare 268 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:55,960 walked in through the back door and the first thing she said was Joanne, 269 00:21:56,440 --> 00:22:02,000 and I'm like really, She went yeah, she said, that's the spirit 270 00:22:02,079 --> 00:22:04,960 you've got here. By the times she had finished, which was about half 271 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:15,559 an hour, it turned out that I'm supposedly this Joanne's dead husband. According 272 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,960 to her, I joined the British Expeditionary Force in my previous life and I 273 00:22:19,079 --> 00:22:25,599 was killed in the evacuation of Dunkirk. She died a year later, and 274 00:22:25,599 --> 00:22:30,000 her parents lived two doors down. And when I checked at Chelmsford on the 275 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:37,359 registers, excuse me, it turned out that her and her husband, Michael 276 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:42,400 lived at that house until he joined the British Expeditionary Force. He died in 277 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:47,880 action. She died a year later, and her parents lived two doors down. 278 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,279 I went down to the house and I knocked on the door, and 279 00:22:51,319 --> 00:22:53,799 I very superously asked him if they had any strange things going on in their 280 00:22:53,839 --> 00:23:00,720 house, and they went, yeah, every now and then. Okay, 281 00:23:00,799 --> 00:23:03,400 thank you very much. And I got back home and I sat there rubbing 282 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:07,119 my head, going my dad. This lady was right all along that everything 283 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:12,440 she'd come out with was spot on, and I meant to I think it 284 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:15,839 was about there must have been a couple of years ago. I was going 285 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:22,599 to try and get in contact with her again to see whether my abilities had 286 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:29,200 strengthened any and it turned out she passed away. So I was like, 287 00:23:29,599 --> 00:23:32,480 well, you know, I'm just going to let I think I'll leave it. 288 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:37,799 But I've been more, I've got more and more in tune with it 289 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:44,079 that I really would like to be. I can walk into places and I 290 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:49,640 know straight away if there's something now, and I'm quite in tune with using 291 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:55,759 dowsing rods. Nine times out of ten, if I start using dowsing rods, 292 00:23:55,799 --> 00:24:02,759 I get communications straight away rather than not. But I've had to use 293 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:08,079 Joanne a couple of times when things have got really bad. We were filming 294 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:14,359 down at Kelvidon Hatch nuclear bunker and we'd picked up on this nurse who was 295 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:19,359 quite nasty and she was responsible for a lot of wrongdoing in the place. 296 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,359 And when we were all in the medical center, we could smell TCP. 297 00:24:23,519 --> 00:24:30,079 It was everywhere, and Ellen started to get affected. It was pushing down 298 00:24:30,079 --> 00:24:33,359 on her shoulder and it was starting to her and in the end, I'm 299 00:24:33,559 --> 00:24:36,960 I can't have this. Enough's enough, and I just called out. I 300 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:38,440 said, Joanne, can you please come in here and get rid of this 301 00:24:38,559 --> 00:24:44,720 energy? We don't want it. And within five seconds the smell of TCP 302 00:24:44,839 --> 00:24:48,759 had disappeared. Ellen's shoulder raised up again and she was like flexing her armgoing, 303 00:24:48,839 --> 00:24:52,720 that's gone. Whatever it was, it's gone, We said, were 304 00:24:52,799 --> 00:24:55,880 so it was the TCP. There was nine of us in that room at 305 00:24:55,880 --> 00:25:00,960 the time, and we all said the same thing. Hmm. Strange I 306 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:06,680 liked. I like to think that I've I've got Joanne with me, she 307 00:25:06,799 --> 00:25:11,519 tells me when she's about, because I can feel the back right hand side 308 00:25:11,559 --> 00:25:14,720 of my head starts to hurt a little bit, like I've got a headache, 309 00:25:15,279 --> 00:25:19,240 and then as soon as I acknowledge that I know she's there, it 310 00:25:19,319 --> 00:25:26,559 goes mm hmm. And do you feel, yeah, do you feel that 311 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:30,759 she might be your spiritual spirit guide or one of them? I think so 312 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:34,880 because of because of obviously the connection between my in my past life and her, 313 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:41,640 because she was which is your you must be Michael. In my previous 314 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:45,720 life, I was Michael, and I died in Dunkirk, and according to 315 00:25:45,759 --> 00:25:51,680 the lady she she'd said that Joanne had been at that house waiting for me 316 00:25:51,759 --> 00:25:56,319 to return home. And since then, every time we've moved, Johanne has 317 00:25:56,359 --> 00:26:03,279 come with me, obviously because of that link. And another thing that did 318 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:07,960 sort of ring sort of more true to me was the fact that I love 319 00:26:08,079 --> 00:26:15,240 anything to do with World War Two, specifically from the day onwards. And 320 00:26:15,279 --> 00:26:21,920 I think to myself, is this where the time gap has gone? Because 321 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:27,559 obviously he died in the evacuation of Dunkirk and then we returned back to that 322 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:34,759 area for D Day, and it's like me reliving what should have been the 323 00:26:34,799 --> 00:26:41,039 rest of his future. Yeah, and it was just so bizarre anything to 324 00:26:41,079 --> 00:26:45,039 do with World War two, including computer games. I'm not seeing the rest 325 00:26:45,039 --> 00:26:48,759 of the war through and in coming home afterwards. Top Yes, yep, 326 00:26:49,039 --> 00:26:53,559 exactly. And now as a result, she's with me all the time and 327 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,440 still now, I mean, we're in the third house since I first met 328 00:26:56,480 --> 00:27:02,920 her, and things still get moved, moved. She likes, she likes 329 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,799 playing about the kids. She likes moving Freddie's my youngest son, Freddy. 330 00:27:07,079 --> 00:27:11,160 She likes moving his dummies. We're pretty we're pretty strict with his dummies. 331 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:15,920 We've got that five and we always put them back in the drawer when he's 332 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:19,640 finished with them. But then when we open the drawer again, maybe a 333 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:23,640 half hour two hours later, one or two of them that have gone, 334 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:27,880 and we'd find them somewhere else, even if Freddy is in bed asleep, 335 00:27:30,559 --> 00:27:32,720 and we like, so okay, so who's moving the dummies? Then? 336 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:38,680 Mm hmm. I mean, cent, how did the name Joanne first enter 337 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:44,880 your head? Did it just enter as a voice or or something. It 338 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,279 was almost written, It was almost It was almost like I could see the 339 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:53,799 name written out in front of my face, and yet I don't know anybody 340 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:59,720 called Chohanne apart from like Facebook friends and things like that, which obviously at 341 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:03,039 the time I wasn't on Facebook. The Facebook, I think was very in 342 00:28:03,079 --> 00:28:07,400 its very early building days. I mean, there's not really a very common 343 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:12,519 name, is it to be nice? And it was almost as if it 344 00:28:12,599 --> 00:28:17,920 was almost as if it was written in front of my eyes. And I've 345 00:28:18,039 --> 00:28:22,480 only ever experienced something like that once since, and that was a couple of 346 00:28:22,519 --> 00:28:27,559 weeks ago at the stret of Old Engine in Ealy, and that was when 347 00:28:27,559 --> 00:28:33,720 I had a full face literally walk up some stairs right in front of my 348 00:28:33,799 --> 00:28:40,240 face and then just disappear. That's only the second time something like that's happened, 349 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:45,359 but the first time was with literally just standard just looking normal, and 350 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:49,839 the name and the letters Joanne appeared right in front of me, and that 351 00:28:51,039 --> 00:28:55,480 told me that was who was there, So obviously that was another spirit was 352 00:28:55,519 --> 00:29:00,799 it that you bumped into? Unfortunately, yes, he wasn't happy person. 353 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:07,319 A couple of weeks ago, I was invited to stret an old engine in 354 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:12,680 Italy, which was an old pumping station and it used to pump water from 355 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:18,279 one can out into another when they needed the water, and it was run 356 00:29:18,359 --> 00:29:23,039 by steam power. So this place had the three boilers set up to produce 357 00:29:23,079 --> 00:29:26,839 the steam, which would then power the wheel which was in another room, 358 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:32,960 which then obviously activated the pump. He's now turned over to diesel, but 359 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:37,640 we were given permission to go in there and investigate. And myself and one 360 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:42,200 of the volunteers at the place were up on the very top floor, and 361 00:29:42,279 --> 00:29:48,519 I had a rempod which was custom built for me by a police standby and 362 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:56,000 can't remember what his name is on eBay, but he makes rempods, and 363 00:29:56,119 --> 00:30:00,279 he made a little skull for me, and he said it over from America, 364 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:06,359 and I've used it every investigation I've been on skins because it has come 365 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:11,799 up with so many outstanding results. So I placed this skull on the windowsill 366 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:17,400 right in front of the staircase. And we'd finished a vigil, and as 367 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:22,720 we were walking towards the staircase, i'd literally taken two steps down, and 368 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:26,880 this face literally came up the stairs and right in front of my face, 369 00:30:29,039 --> 00:30:32,279 and I went, oh my god, and took two steps back, and 370 00:30:32,359 --> 00:30:36,079 luckily the volunteer that was with me. He caught me, otherwise I'd have 371 00:30:36,079 --> 00:30:41,680 fallen flat my backside. I've then got downstairs as quick as possible. I 372 00:30:41,759 --> 00:30:45,559 got to this piece of paper that we've got on a counter and I started 373 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:49,599 drawing, and I've got Keith Simpson from Paracom was there, and I had 374 00:30:49,599 --> 00:30:53,000 to push past him to get to this paper, and he's going way me. 375 00:30:53,119 --> 00:30:56,559 You're right, you are right? Said yeah, I'm fine. I 376 00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:00,640 need to get this this drawn, and he's going and what do you see? 377 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:04,640 What you see? And I literally scribbled his face onto the piece of 378 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:11,359 paper and he went, who's that? And I just wrote John underneath and 379 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:17,680 he went, what was that all about? I said? He literally got 380 00:31:17,799 --> 00:31:21,200 right up in my face upstairs. I said, I thought it was you 381 00:31:21,839 --> 00:31:26,519 until I noticed the beard. And it was a literally full sight, normal 382 00:31:26,559 --> 00:31:30,559 size face. He had a white beard down to his chest. But what 383 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:36,359 made him stand out more than most people were beards was his beard was pure 384 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:40,920 white except for a black line in the middle of his lips and right down 385 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:47,519 the beard. And I'm like, oh wow. And he'd got a pipe 386 00:31:47,559 --> 00:31:51,200 and a flat cap and his name was John. And I spoke to the 387 00:31:51,279 --> 00:31:53,200 volunteer, and he said, well, I will have a look and see 388 00:31:53,880 --> 00:32:00,279 if any of the archives have got anybody of that description, but only goes 389 00:32:00,319 --> 00:32:06,960 back so far. Apparently a couple of days later, he'd actually spoken to 390 00:32:07,039 --> 00:32:13,079 one of the people that administrate the place and they said that the actual the 391 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:17,480 archives that they've gotten don't go back far enough, but they think there was 392 00:32:17,519 --> 00:32:22,359 a guy there with a white beard that used to be the foreman, but 393 00:32:22,519 --> 00:32:24,839 they don't know what his name was. He's only in a couple of the 394 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:31,240 pictures that've got in the archives. And I'm like, wow, but well 395 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:37,400 you've told them now, is John? Yeah. I mean the thing is 396 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:42,839 is that I don't like to be that open minded that I pick these things 397 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:47,359 up because I would rather look at the scientific side of things. Yeah, 398 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:52,519 And it becomes a bit of a confliction of interests. I don't know which 399 00:32:52,559 --> 00:32:55,440 one side to go for. I'd like to go with the scientific side, 400 00:32:55,480 --> 00:33:01,839 because I'd like to test the perimeters or of what goes on within the paranormal. 401 00:33:02,799 --> 00:33:06,720 But then on the other side of the kind, I do believe in 402 00:33:06,799 --> 00:33:14,920 ghosts, so therefore I should allow the spiritual side of me to look at 403 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,720 those answers as well. Yeah, sure, absolutely, And it becomes it 404 00:33:17,839 --> 00:33:22,359 becomes a bit annoying because I'm sitting there, well, you know, do 405 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,160 I go with this side of things? Do I go with that side Cushier's 406 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:31,160 characters within yourself sort of? Yeah. Well, when you experience something that 407 00:33:31,319 --> 00:33:37,279 you can't explain, I mean I cannot understand or explain how this guy's face 408 00:33:37,319 --> 00:33:40,279 and it was just his face appeared right in front of me at that very 409 00:33:40,359 --> 00:33:46,680 moment. Scientifically could not answer it. So for that moment, I had 410 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:53,359 to rely on my ability to be able to pick up on spirit and get 411 00:33:53,359 --> 00:33:58,599 downstairs the script as possible and draw this person's face. And I ended up 412 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,200 taking a picture of it because I'm like, I'm going to have to remember 413 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:08,519 this one. Because that that and Harridge read out for experience is they're probably 414 00:34:08,599 --> 00:34:16,199 the two most shocking experiences I've had. HM. The other one, the 415 00:34:16,199 --> 00:34:24,320 Harridge read out for was enough to turn an investigator away from being in a 416 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:30,119 paranormal Investigators have had an investigation there. It's a pretty creepy place, isn't 417 00:34:30,119 --> 00:34:35,159 it. It's a good place, but when you get a mannequin dummy thrown 418 00:34:35,199 --> 00:34:40,280 at you fifteen foot across the room. Yeah, well I've only got a 419 00:34:40,559 --> 00:34:45,079 couple of bakings there there, so one of the flu at you well really, 420 00:34:45,159 --> 00:34:47,079 yeah, we were. We were in the prison cells in rriage read 421 00:34:47,079 --> 00:34:54,800 out and me and another investigator, Claire, we were in one of the 422 00:34:54,840 --> 00:35:00,519 second cell. I was standing in the doorway and Claire was to left of 423 00:35:00,559 --> 00:35:06,360 me in one corner, sitting down on a chair, and the opposite side 424 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,159 of the room from me was a bed, and in that corner was a 425 00:35:09,159 --> 00:35:15,079 mannequin dummy dressed in the German pilot's outfit, and I nicknamed him Plaus. 426 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:20,480 I do like that, obviously, I don't think he did. But we'd 427 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,000 set up a trigger object on the bed, and that was like a little 428 00:35:23,039 --> 00:35:27,440 boxing ring with a red light in each corner, and you put a ball 429 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,360 in the middle and set the alarm. And then obviously the idea was that 430 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:35,239 we would call out to spirit and ask it, if it was there present 431 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,559 with us, could it move the ball. Then the alarm would go off 432 00:35:37,599 --> 00:35:44,039 and we would have the answer. But of course I not much was happening. 433 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,599 These red lights were flashing away, so all we got was this red 434 00:35:47,679 --> 00:35:53,880 link and it would illuminate the sell and I just said to Claire, I 435 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:59,679 said, there's not much energy here. Something's here, but it's hiding out 436 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:04,800 the way. And I then turned around and went clow to you here with 437 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:09,679 us, and I said in German, that's it's put. That didn't go 438 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:15,639 down too well because it just went completely flat for about two or three minutes. 439 00:36:16,559 --> 00:36:20,960 And then man, she said, waiting, she said, every time 440 00:36:21,039 --> 00:36:25,760 those lights are flashing, mannekin's moving and I'm looking at it and I'm like, 441 00:36:27,599 --> 00:36:30,920 it's leaning away from me against the bed and the wall, and I'm 442 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:36,159 looking at it and I'm going, no, it's not moving, but i 443 00:36:36,199 --> 00:36:39,039 can feel the energy building. As I said, you can begin to imasure 444 00:36:39,159 --> 00:36:44,119 things, can't you. Sometimes in the especially especially the low light. In 445 00:36:44,559 --> 00:36:47,719 low light your eyes, it's like peripheral vision when you see something out the 446 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:52,920 corner of your eye. Because you're not physically looking in that direction, there's 447 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:59,480 blank spots, and so your brain makes up the difference. It fills in 448 00:36:59,519 --> 00:37:02,079 the blank. And so that's why a lot of people say, well, 449 00:37:02,119 --> 00:37:06,599 I saw it out the corner of my eye. That's because their mind is 450 00:37:06,679 --> 00:37:09,800 filling in the blanks. And it's the same with low light vision. You 451 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:15,800 look in there and it's that and plaridolia. You look at things and you 452 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:17,280 go, oh, is that moving? Is that doing this? What's that 453 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:21,800 in the corner? And you make things out something that's not really there. 454 00:37:22,119 --> 00:37:24,920 So of course I'm like, nah, it's not moving, I said, 455 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:30,320 but something's going to happen. It's something's building, the energy's building. And 456 00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:36,960 as I said that, it's mannequin left the floor literally and came straight at 457 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,559 me, and I went, oh Jesus, and I've grabbed it. I've 458 00:37:40,559 --> 00:37:45,159 grabbed the hold of this mannequin by the shoulders and its head's fallen off. 459 00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:50,840 Said but me in the process, Poor Claire, she's got up out of 460 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,119 her chair. He's got out on my ear for this a bottom. She 461 00:37:53,280 --> 00:38:00,039 was gone. She shot past me and left the cell block. And I'm 462 00:38:00,039 --> 00:38:05,320 standing there trying to keep the head from rolling away, trying to put the 463 00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,599 mannekin back in the corner again. I'm going, some are going to help 464 00:38:07,639 --> 00:38:13,679 me, And luckily there was three other investigators in the third cell and they 465 00:38:13,679 --> 00:38:19,920 were doing a thousand rods and they were filming what they were doing, and 466 00:38:20,199 --> 00:38:23,000 one of the investigators says, if there any spirits in this block, can 467 00:38:23,039 --> 00:38:27,639 you please come forward. Can you cross the rods over? And as the 468 00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:31,440 rods crossover you here there, clear go, I'm not here for thee. 469 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:38,400 The camera down the corridor and you see her just going out of the block 470 00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:43,679 and this little white light comes out of the cell and follows her out into 471 00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:47,440 the courtyard. Wow. Really. I then found out, I think it 472 00:38:47,519 --> 00:38:51,880 was a year and a half later, when I investigated at Rochford Hall, 473 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:57,039 that she'd quit the paranormal altogether, that experience. Scared of that much, 474 00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,199 she wouldn't do it anymore. That's that's mad, though, because I mean, 475 00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,360 why are you in the paranor when you're in the field class, that's 476 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:07,119 what you're there for. I could not stop laughing for the whole event. 477 00:39:07,639 --> 00:39:13,360 I was laughing my head off because I was so overjoyed with the fact that 478 00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,719 for all these years I've wanted something to happen, and we've seen or heard 479 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:25,519 things that really you could say scientifically answered, never come across anything that I 480 00:39:25,599 --> 00:39:31,480 couldn't explain. But that got me and I was just dumbfounded by it. 481 00:39:31,519 --> 00:39:37,840 But it made me laugh. Whether it's the fight or flight response, I 482 00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:42,840 don't know, but I just could not stop laughing. It sounds funny after 483 00:39:43,159 --> 00:39:47,320 I mean, nobody, you don't. You don't expect a mannequindom it to 484 00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:52,599 come flying fifteen foot across the room, you know. But I found out 485 00:39:52,599 --> 00:39:59,280 from the owners of parage read out for that it happened on a regular basis. 486 00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:06,280 The mannequins move and after that particular incident, they had tied the mannech 487 00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:12,400 into the wall with wire that actually put an eyelet screw into the wall and 488 00:40:12,519 --> 00:40:17,480 actually tied the mannequ into the wall with cable so that it couldn't just go 489 00:40:17,519 --> 00:40:22,519 off on the loose. So apparently it's happened before. Sounds crazy, don't, 490 00:40:24,199 --> 00:40:30,119 just a little bit. But that's the good thing because obviously, as 491 00:40:30,159 --> 00:40:34,079 a paranormal investigator, what you want to do is you need to get that 492 00:40:34,199 --> 00:40:37,559 evidence. But if you're on your own, it's your word against everybody else's, 493 00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:43,840 and that's where ridicule comes into play. But the more people that experience 494 00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:49,599 that same event, the harder it is to disprove what they've witnessed. Yeah. 495 00:40:50,079 --> 00:40:55,000 Absolutely, it's the same with UFO siding. The more people that actually 496 00:40:55,000 --> 00:41:04,599 witnessed that one UFO sighting, the more credible it becomes. Mhm. Yeah, 497 00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,719 yeah, I know you. I mean, I know I knew you'd 498 00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,679 been Most Haunted before because you told me. But your your time on Most 499 00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:15,039 Haunted? What happened there? Was anything that sort of interesting happened on those 500 00:41:15,119 --> 00:41:21,719 And what what are your opinions of the team? Top of two. Normally 501 00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:32,639 I don't talk about Most Haunted, but my opinion changed very quickly, and 502 00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:39,679 it was more the attitude that some of the staff had towards the fans that 503 00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:45,519 made the show popular, the way they talk to people behind their backs, 504 00:41:45,639 --> 00:41:51,639 and I don't like that sort of thing. A lot of egos. It's 505 00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,199 a lot of O, well, I'm better than you, and I'm not. 506 00:41:54,639 --> 00:41:58,519 I don't do it for that, you know. I'm not into the 507 00:41:58,559 --> 00:42:05,760 paranormal for fame and tune or egos and the way I saw people being talked 508 00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:15,000 about and their attitude towards some people and including some of the some of the 509 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:19,440 things that were said to me. We were down at Athorhampton House, I'd 510 00:42:19,519 --> 00:42:24,920 driven five and a half hours down there, and we got into the investigation 511 00:42:25,159 --> 00:42:29,760 and everybody else had got there. I'd seen something I weren't too happy about, 512 00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:37,280 which I won't mention on any any interview, but needless to say, 513 00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:40,480 it was quite con it would have been would be quite controversial if it was 514 00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:47,360 made public. Well, I weren't too happy with certain things. And we 515 00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:52,440 were investigating in the billiard room and Stuart to Vera and a couple of guests 516 00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:59,039 had gone off into a side room like a study, and me and Colby 517 00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,159 and of the other guests were in the billiard room, but we could hear 518 00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:07,320 Stuart and his guys calling out. So carl turned around to me and he 519 00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,320 said, can you go and ask Stuart if they can sort of lower the 520 00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:14,960 noise a bit? So, yeah, no problem, So I've gone around 521 00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,639 now open. I was just gently tapped on the door, opened the door 522 00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:21,400 and said, Carlos said, can you keep the noise down a bit? 523 00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:25,559 Stuart told me to wear off and I'm like, na, you don't talk 524 00:43:25,599 --> 00:43:30,079 to me like that. And it was shortly after that, I mean it 525 00:43:30,199 --> 00:43:37,239 was you know, it was horrible because they begged me to go down there 526 00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:42,119 and help out with the event. Because I was working on the most Haunted 527 00:43:42,159 --> 00:43:45,239 Experience South. So I was doing most of the events in the Sound of 528 00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:54,800 Southern areas and even ran a few of them myself with Fred Batt, and 529 00:43:54,880 --> 00:44:01,960 to be talked to like that was quite disrespectful, and I wasn't happy about 530 00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:06,880 the fact that I'd spent five hours getting down there, was told I couldn't 531 00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,800 have a hotel room, that somebody who lived in South End had got a 532 00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:16,199 hotel room that was going to be there, a member of the team who 533 00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:22,519 then got kicked out because he was being an idiot. But he'd got a 534 00:44:22,559 --> 00:44:24,679 hotel room for the night. It was a twin room, so there was 535 00:44:24,679 --> 00:44:29,800 no reason why I couldn't have stayed there. And in the end I just 536 00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:30,840 turned around and said no, I'm sorry. I said, but it's my 537 00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:35,320 partner's birthday and we've got a party tomorrow night, so I'm just going to 538 00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,440 drive straight home. So literally, when the event finished, I got back 539 00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:45,840 in the car and I drove straight home again. And it was horrible because 540 00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:49,760 I was doing a day trip because I used to drive coaches and I was 541 00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:54,719 doing a day trip down to Novelodroma Stratford, and I was talking to Fred 542 00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:59,719 Batt and he turned around and he said he'd had enough. He was thinking 543 00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:04,079 he was going to go abroad or something and just continue with his life. 544 00:45:04,079 --> 00:45:07,400 There. I might say, well, I'm sorry, but I've had enough. 545 00:45:07,679 --> 00:45:12,480 I'm leaving altogether. So I literally just walked away. And it was 546 00:45:12,559 --> 00:45:20,199 probably the best decision I've ever made because it was shortly from there. I 547 00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:25,760 think it was three months afterwards that Samantha Beck, who owns Portrait ex Productions, 548 00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,880 approached me and asked me to present their show Truth Beyond Paranormal, And 549 00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:37,599 five years later we're still doing it. That's good. So but I mean, 550 00:45:38,079 --> 00:45:42,840 at the end of the day, I think Most Haunted have helped me 551 00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:49,039 sort of understand social media a lot more, which has helped me do what 552 00:45:49,079 --> 00:45:54,360 I'm doing now. People will take me, Oh, I was Most Haunting 553 00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:59,119 is what gets most people into paranormal investigating, and I'm like, it didn't 554 00:45:59,159 --> 00:46:05,719 me way back. Yeah, but I think it does. I think he 555 00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:09,400 did because I mean the obviously we've we've got all these ghost hunting programs now, 556 00:46:09,519 --> 00:46:13,639 especially the US ones and everything, and I don't think all those would 557 00:46:13,679 --> 00:46:15,719 exist if it wasn't for most all did in the first place, you know, 558 00:46:16,559 --> 00:46:21,159 I mean I argue it. I argue it because I always refer to 559 00:46:21,199 --> 00:46:23,639 ghost Watch on BBC. Yeah, there was that one, that one that 560 00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:29,000 was one off, that was the one off that the BBC did which caused 561 00:46:29,039 --> 00:46:34,480 so much controversy. And I always remember the monk in the bedroom. M 562 00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:37,159 M. They planned across the bedroom and you see the shadow of the monk 563 00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:42,400 standing in the monkster curtains and then when they pan back, he's gone, 564 00:46:43,119 --> 00:46:46,880 and WHOA, that's pretty cool. We like that. And then obviously it 565 00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:51,880 went a bit over the top and they sort of hurricane winds coming in and 566 00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:58,000 everything. But that sort of for me, the way I see it is 567 00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:01,800 that triggered and interesting. I mean, that's that's probably where most hot started 568 00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:05,000 from. Really. They probably saw that and thought, well, this is 569 00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:09,280 a good idea, BBC. And at that time, Ivet and Carl were 570 00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:15,280 doing that hospital program, so it could have been that the idea has been 571 00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:22,400 generated from seeing that working for the same TV company and they've gone, you 572 00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:25,079 know what, we could make a series out of this, and they've taken 573 00:47:25,119 --> 00:47:30,719 it from there, and that then just boosts the idea let's go out and 574 00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:36,840 do a paranormal investigation. And so the teams then start appearing, and now 575 00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:42,679 there are more teams than you can take a stick out there. But I 576 00:47:42,679 --> 00:47:45,159 mean, I still like the most talks I've got to say. I think 577 00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:51,159 if you're take them for the entertainment value and also for the interest of the 578 00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:53,800 locations they go to and a little bit of history behind the that's what that's 579 00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:58,039 what I like them for. Really, Yeah, I mean the history of 580 00:47:58,079 --> 00:48:04,960 the locations I always enjoyed. I just you know, towards the later days, 581 00:48:06,639 --> 00:48:08,880 you could tell it was for entertainment purposes, and it got quite comical, 582 00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:14,480 like the Scooby Doo seen when You've got Fred. You've got Fred and 583 00:48:14,559 --> 00:48:17,280 the other guy down in the cellars and they're running backwards and forwards. Fred's 584 00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:22,440 edge chant and he's out of his book, and the other guy's running backwards 585 00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:24,119 and forwards, and it was like that Scooby Doo scene when they go in 586 00:48:24,159 --> 00:48:30,400 and out of one door and come out of another. And seriously, you 587 00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:36,760 know, there's nothing wrong. We're sitting in a dark cellar and just filming. 588 00:48:37,519 --> 00:48:42,400 You ain't got to move about, you haven't got to start calling up 589 00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:45,599 or some of the nasty spirits or anything like that. Just call out as 590 00:48:45,639 --> 00:48:49,880 normal and what you get is what you get. Yeah, I think the 591 00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:53,119 thing is because that was a TV show. The TV company want results, 592 00:48:53,119 --> 00:48:57,599 don't they Otherwise they was just pulled the plug and oh this is we're not 593 00:48:57,679 --> 00:49:00,000 going anywhere with this, and they'll just pull it out and I think I 594 00:49:00,039 --> 00:49:04,840 think they get caught in the trap of you've got to make results and make 595 00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:07,760 something interesting for the audiences. Yeah, because it's there's a lot of money 596 00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:13,039 involved. I mean, over here we've British. The British TV system, 597 00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:20,199 you don't get paid until you submit a series, whereas in America they get 598 00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:24,960 paid in advance. So the likes of Ghost Hunters and Zach Began's, the 599 00:49:25,079 --> 00:49:29,599 likes of the Travel Company or ABC will turn around and say, we'll give 600 00:49:29,639 --> 00:49:34,039 you one million dollars out front. Yeah, they give you the money up 601 00:49:34,039 --> 00:49:37,840 front, and that provides them with the ability to go to these locations. 602 00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:40,719 Yeah, you can't do that here, and we don't we truth beyond paranormal. 603 00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:47,320 It's all self funded. So our director say, will contact the locations 604 00:49:47,679 --> 00:49:52,360 and say we would like to do a paranormal investigation. We'd like to film 605 00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:57,760 it for our series, and she'll explain everything. They will turn around and 606 00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:02,480 say it will be X amount. Our director then tells us how much it's 607 00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:07,400 going to cost, and we just put the money in each on the night 608 00:50:07,119 --> 00:50:13,000 to do that investigation and that's how we've always done it. And what we 609 00:50:13,079 --> 00:50:17,960 don't do is we don't ask people to support us by giving donations or sending 610 00:50:19,079 --> 00:50:25,719 stars or doing stuff like that because we feel that what we do, because 611 00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:30,960 we don't have the disclaimer that it's entertainment purposes, only what we're doing is 612 00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:37,000 it's a paranormal investigation. And where we have reception on mobile phones, we 613 00:50:37,039 --> 00:50:42,719 will also do live feeds at the same time. Yeah, so the majority 614 00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:46,599 of the time people can actually watch us filming live for the six hours that 615 00:50:46,639 --> 00:50:52,679 we're going to be there for. It's only in extreme circumstances when we're recording 616 00:50:52,679 --> 00:50:57,079 in a tunnel like we were on Saturday, where you've got no reception, 617 00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:05,360 you can't do a live feed. So you know, it made a big 618 00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:10,079 difference to do that. And like I said, five seasons later we've we 619 00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:17,159 filmed on Saturday night up here in Harriage again, and then next month we're 620 00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:23,280 North London I think now Watford, an old warehouse that was an ammunitions factory 621 00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:29,199 m hm. So it's you know, and I say, it's all self 622 00:51:29,199 --> 00:51:32,199 funded. So we've got nothing to prove because we don't turn around the people 623 00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:39,000 and say fund us and we'll provide this episode. Yeah, well you and 624 00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:43,239 I. You and I did a little visit to Cultures to Castle, which 625 00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:47,760 is in your town. Yes, now they're Cultures to Castle. I believe 626 00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:53,880 it's got quite a few ghosts and the definitely as I understand it. Yes, 627 00:51:57,159 --> 00:52:02,800 I've investigated there seven times now, and every time I've investigate there's something 628 00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:08,440 different that's happened. Each time I've heard the two cavaliers walking to the back 629 00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:14,960 of the castle, and it was confirmed that yes, two cavaliers had been 630 00:52:15,039 --> 00:52:21,119 seen, and they walk along the wall that would be a chastened to the 631 00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:25,000 main door, but it's upstairs and they literally walk out the back. They 632 00:52:25,039 --> 00:52:30,239 walk down across the castle and out the back wall, and we heard these 633 00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:37,559 footsteps walking across the back and they'd gone down. But then there was nobody 634 00:52:37,599 --> 00:52:40,480 there. We couldn't see anybody come down the stairs, which was the only 635 00:52:40,559 --> 00:52:45,679 way you would see them would be once they'd got down to that boot area. 636 00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:50,119 It's down the stairs and up the other side. They just completely vanished 637 00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:55,159 and we're like, okay, so was that the cavaliers. One time I 638 00:52:55,239 --> 00:53:00,760 was down there, we were in the vaults underneath, and we had one 639 00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:05,159 guy standing in one of the tunnels at the far end. He was looking 640 00:53:05,159 --> 00:53:09,840 into the section where there's some gravestones, and one of the guests had said, 641 00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:13,440 oh, I've got a cold spot near me. So I've walked over 642 00:53:14,199 --> 00:53:21,159 and I've got my laser thermometer and I'm pointing it about no significant temperature drop 643 00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,840 or increase. And as I turned, I looked at this guy's name was 644 00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:29,199 Terry. I said, Terry, there's someone standing with you. He went 645 00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:32,519 no, And this lady then turned around and what there is There's someone standing 646 00:53:32,519 --> 00:53:37,159 in front of You can see his legs, and when I looked harder, 647 00:53:37,639 --> 00:53:42,559 I could see the straps going down the shins. That to me, he 648 00:53:42,599 --> 00:53:49,320 said Roman, because of the Roman sandals. So I said, on Terry, 649 00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:51,920 wait there, I'll be with you. And as I said that and 650 00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:55,639 walked over to him, these legs turned and moved further into that section of 651 00:53:55,679 --> 00:54:00,320 the vault. So me and Terry have gone through the tunnel into the other 652 00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:05,920 section of the vault. We followed it into this little corridor and it led 653 00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:08,679 to a dead end. But there was this green light on the wall, 654 00:54:09,119 --> 00:54:14,480 and at first we thought it was the security lights, because all the security 655 00:54:14,559 --> 00:54:16,119 lights they have got there, the boxes have got a little green light on 656 00:54:16,199 --> 00:54:22,960 them, and I said, probably the reflection from this security box. And 657 00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:27,800 you you can't because it's around the corner. So unless there's mirrors up on 658 00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:30,280 the wall to reflect that light, you're not going to get it on the 659 00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:37,400 same side of the wall as the security box around the corner. So fair 660 00:54:37,519 --> 00:54:40,159 enough. So we started asking questions, if you are here with us, 661 00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:45,239 and you saw us, and you moved that green light to the left, 662 00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:50,119 and it moved to the left, then it moved back again, and then 663 00:54:50,119 --> 00:54:53,280 we went, thank you, are you a Roman soldier? Moved to the 664 00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:58,199 right, and it moved to the right, And about six questions later, 665 00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:00,119 we've got it getting bigger and small all, aren't. We've got it going 666 00:55:00,199 --> 00:55:07,360 in swinging motions. And then just as we were asking is that the escape 667 00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:13,000 tunnel out of the castle, the CEB caretaker turned all the lights on, 668 00:55:13,119 --> 00:55:17,639 said nights over everybody else, We'll like just as we're getting somewhere, the 669 00:55:17,639 --> 00:55:23,519 caretaker ruins it. It's brilliant. I mean, even in the prison cells, 670 00:55:25,079 --> 00:55:30,679 the downstairs one used to be the male prison and the female prison was 671 00:55:30,679 --> 00:55:37,440 the one upstairs where the chapel now is, But Matthew Hopkins used to keep 672 00:55:37,519 --> 00:55:43,480 his witches in there, and so every now and then something all always happened 673 00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:51,039 in either one, either the downstairs prison cells or in the chapel. I've 674 00:55:51,039 --> 00:55:54,400 done a good experiment in there with table tipping. A group of people were 675 00:55:54,400 --> 00:56:00,199 on the table asking Spirit to move it, and why they were asking the 676 00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:04,519 questions. I'd walked to the entrance to the chapel, found a chair and 677 00:56:04,559 --> 00:56:09,920 took the rubber bun off the bottom of the leg so it wobbled, and 678 00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:15,559 then went checked all the other chairs. None of the others wobbled. I've 679 00:56:15,559 --> 00:56:17,639 gone back, and the lady that was asking the questions. I spoke to 680 00:56:17,679 --> 00:56:21,880 her said, can you ask it to take you to the wobbly chair? 681 00:56:22,199 --> 00:56:28,199 So she said, Spirit, if you want to prove you're here with us, 682 00:56:28,519 --> 00:56:31,719 can you move us and the table to the wobbly chair. And the 683 00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:36,639 table started to spin, start turning on his own, so of course they 684 00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:40,719 go man in circles. Then it started moving down the chapel. It turned 685 00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:45,239 the corner went in front of these chairs, and then it span round so 686 00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:50,039 that the lady that I'd asked the question was facing the chairs, and then 687 00:56:50,039 --> 00:56:53,000 it pushed her into the chair and it wobbled wow, and she went, 688 00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:55,960 is this the one? I said, now, check all the other chairs? 689 00:56:57,000 --> 00:57:00,400 And there was about eight other chairs. They checked everything and only one 690 00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:04,840 that was the one that she was put down into, and I went, 691 00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:07,239 thank you very much, you've just proved the point. Yeah. Well, 692 00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:12,679 I mean it's weed. It was walking towards it. We're around the castle. 693 00:57:13,159 --> 00:57:15,880 Yeah. Unfortunately, on June the fifteenth, I'm actually doing a ghost 694 00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:22,199 unt there with a with a team during the fifteenth I think I can't remember 695 00:57:22,239 --> 00:57:27,079 what the name of the team is easy Seventh Sanctum. It could be something 696 00:57:27,199 --> 00:57:30,000 like that. I could be a ticket here somewhere, but yeah, Jill 697 00:57:30,039 --> 00:57:34,880 then and I are doing it, so it might be the one I'll be 698 00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:38,719 coming back to because I was at the one that Seventh Sanctum and Culture to 699 00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:43,039 Borough Council were doing a joint thing. That's right. Yeah, I think 700 00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:45,320 so you're coming back on that one as well, are you. We should 701 00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:50,840 be because I went with them on that one and that was the first of 702 00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:54,679 its kind. But that one's being run by Coultures To Council and they've got 703 00:57:54,719 --> 00:58:01,039 the teams in to help that's it report. And I was there with Kerry 704 00:58:01,079 --> 00:58:08,039 Greenway, the other Kerry, Kerry Ann and Andy Mercer and I was asked 705 00:58:08,039 --> 00:58:14,119 to help out with Andy Mercer's team, and I've got chatting and they said, 706 00:58:14,159 --> 00:58:17,440 we're hoping to open up the Holly Trees Museum as well to paranormal investigations, 707 00:58:19,199 --> 00:58:23,679 so we may include that as well as part of the night. And 708 00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:28,480 got talking to them all about it and they said, well, we'll see 709 00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:35,280 about inviting you back for the next one. So hopefully, hopefully I'll see 710 00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:38,880 you. Hopefully you'll see me there, but it will be on a professional 711 00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:45,000 basis of course, of course I don't know you. Yeah, it was. 712 00:58:45,119 --> 00:58:52,239 It was quite interesting and it's I like to see how different people do 713 00:58:52,440 --> 00:59:00,320 investigations. But the problem is with with Colds Tomorrow Council, they're not quite 714 00:59:00,239 --> 00:59:06,760 it's quite there with how to do paranoral investigations. No, it's just a 715 00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:10,480 maker for them, was it. Yeah, it is because I mean although 716 00:59:10,559 --> 00:59:16,039 it's only thirty five pounds a ticket, when you get paranormal teams go there, 717 00:59:16,199 --> 00:59:23,000 they're doing them at sixty five pound ticket plus. So but in essence 718 00:59:23,199 --> 00:59:28,880 it's because the timings. They were supposed to be finishing at eleven o'clock, 719 00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:35,039 and we managed to push it till twelve. And normally most paranormal investigations go 720 00:59:35,079 --> 00:59:37,960 on to about two or three o'clock in the morning, sometimes even later. 721 00:59:38,519 --> 00:59:44,280 Getting for that on board. Yeah, but they the way they'd set it 722 00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:49,280 up was they were doing little workshops first, so people could look at different 723 00:59:49,320 --> 01:00:00,920 methods of communication, different styles of the communication of mediums, whether you're a 724 01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:06,800 Claire audience clairvoyant and so on, and then you would go out investigating. 725 01:00:07,239 --> 01:00:12,719 And I thought, really, a lot of these people that have come to 726 01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:17,000 the event, they're people that have been on investigations before and know all of 727 01:00:17,039 --> 01:00:23,320 these things. They just want to investigate the castle because the castle isn't normally 728 01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:30,360 accessible at night at that price. Yeah, that's the reason I'm going to 729 01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:31,159 do it. On that one, I thought, well, this looks good. 730 01:00:31,199 --> 01:00:36,760 I think I'll take advantage of that. Yeah, it's it's a good 731 01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:40,400 night. It's a good night, and I'm still waiting for the phone call 732 01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:45,079 for them to ask me back. Well, especially being in jude As have 733 01:00:45,119 --> 01:00:50,519 been awesome warm as well. Yeah, I mean, it was oddly enough 734 01:00:50,559 --> 01:00:55,039 that it was warm in there anyway. Somehow it was naturally warm in there, 735 01:00:55,679 --> 01:01:00,320 especially down in the vaults. It was quite warmed down there, and 736 01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:06,280 it usually is. But we had a bit of free time and we wanted 737 01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:09,679 to go, me and my colleague Mick from Truth Beyond Paranormal. We wanted 738 01:01:09,719 --> 01:01:13,920 to go back down into the vaults. And as we walked down there, 739 01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:17,440 we discovered they closed the gate so we couldn't go down there. We were 740 01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:22,440 quite gay because we wanted to get back in there and see what was in 741 01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:30,840 there. But it's not a bad venue, providing it's the right price, 742 01:01:30,559 --> 01:01:34,679 yes, And I think that is one of the issues at the moment is 743 01:01:34,719 --> 01:01:37,960 a lot of places they're putting their prices up and they're saying it's because of 744 01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:43,639 the cost of living, when really a lot of the places have put the 745 01:01:43,679 --> 01:01:49,920 prices up because they know they're going to fill the spaces. Yeah. Yeah, 746 01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:52,639 I'd always watch out for the price because I mean, when when you're 747 01:01:52,679 --> 01:01:55,320 buying two tickets, it can get pretty expensive as well, you know. 748 01:01:57,159 --> 01:01:59,639 Yeah, well you look at an average of one hundred pounds for the pair 749 01:01:59,679 --> 01:02:04,519 of you. Yeah, at least. Yeah. I mean I've known venues 750 01:02:05,079 --> 01:02:07,719 and this is where I sort of look at things and go, no, 751 01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:14,760 I can't do that. What we do with Spokanory events, excuse me, 752 01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:19,800 is that we are looking at how much it's going to cost, and nine 753 01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:22,920 times out of ten they'll say, like Harry's read out for it used to 754 01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:28,480 be one hundred and fifty pounds deposit for the first ten people, then every 755 01:02:28,559 --> 01:02:32,800 person after that it's fifteen pound per person. So you're right, So you 756 01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:37,960 sell the tickets. Then at the end on the night you turn up, 757 01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:42,199 you've got the ten people that you've already paid for, and you've got ten 758 01:02:42,239 --> 01:02:45,559 extra guests, so you have to then give them one hundred and fifty pounds. 759 01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:51,880 So straight away we know the cost price. And then when I look 760 01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:55,159 at other teams, they're advertising for the same venue and they're charging forty five 761 01:02:55,199 --> 01:03:00,239 pounds a ticket, and I'm like, that's three times as much as it 762 01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:06,840 costs. And I don't believe in I don't like the idea of ripping people 763 01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:10,519 off. Yeah, it was profiteering. Yeah, And we always turn around 764 01:03:10,519 --> 01:03:14,760 and say we'll add ten pounds, We'll add ten pounds on top of the 765 01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:20,920 cost price, but we're providing food and drink as well, and we have 766 01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:25,400 to have we do a fuel allowance for the team members. So we'll give 767 01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:30,039 the team members the fuel allowance, the money there for the food and drink, 768 01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:36,400 and then everything that's left over goes to the deposit for the next investigation. 769 01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:40,880 So nobody is making any money because it's going back into the business to 770 01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:45,679 provide for the next event. Yeah. Yeah, I think some teams try 771 01:03:45,719 --> 01:03:46,960 to make it, actually make a living out of it, don't they. 772 01:03:47,159 --> 01:03:52,960 Yeah, And I mean most of us, we've all got jobs to go 773 01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:55,239 to. I haven't, but a lot of people have got job to go 774 01:03:55,320 --> 01:04:00,639 to. Yeah, And I think that's why a lot of parent normal events 775 01:04:00,639 --> 01:04:04,079 are always a Friday or Saturday night, simply because a lot of the team 776 01:04:04,119 --> 01:04:08,800 members that work, you know, Friday and Saturday nights their days off, 777 01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:15,599 and then they've got Sunday to sort of get over this paranormal hangover. For 778 01:04:15,679 --> 01:04:17,480 me, I'm not bothered. I'll go out and investigating any day of the 779 01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:20,599 week. Really, as long as the kids are asleep when I go out 780 01:04:20,639 --> 01:04:27,679 and then they're not awake when I get back, that's fine. But yeah, 781 01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:30,960 I've come across a few teams in the past that have I've thought to 782 01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:34,199 myself, what the hell are you doing? You know, they were so 783 01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:42,599 disorganized. One particular team that I was with last year, they were overpriced 784 01:04:42,639 --> 01:04:45,599 to start off with. The place had only just opened up as a venue 785 01:04:45,639 --> 01:04:51,800 for paranormal events, and everybody was all shepherd into an ammunition tunnel. There 786 01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:57,599 was forty of us all standing there with cat bulls. They were flashing like 787 01:04:57,679 --> 01:05:02,360 crazy. And then turn around to the bloke who runs the group and said 788 01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:05,880 to him, if you told your guests about turning their mobile phones off? 789 01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:11,719 Oh no, I forgot to tell them. I said, well, that's 790 01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:15,320 the reason why that lady's rempod's going crazy, because you've got forty people in 791 01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:19,599 here, all with mobile phones on and they're all trying to get a signal. 792 01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:26,159 So the EMF meters are going to start going crazy. K two's will 793 01:05:26,199 --> 01:05:30,480 go mad. Rempods will go mad because you've got forty people in this closed 794 01:05:30,559 --> 01:05:34,360 room. The field's gone crazy. Yeah, as soon as you told them 795 01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:39,719 to turn their phones off or put them on flight mode, it all stopped. 796 01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:45,519 And I'm like, this is ridiculous. But it annoyed me because he 797 01:05:45,559 --> 01:05:51,119 had forty people in this very small room and we're all standing there and it 798 01:05:51,199 --> 01:05:56,679 was like a disco. It was like being in a nightclub because these animals 799 01:05:56,679 --> 01:06:01,119 were flashing away. Yeah, and in the end I had to leave because 800 01:06:01,159 --> 01:06:09,239 I don't mean disrespect to anybody, but it was that disorganized that when we 801 01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:14,000 went for a break, the guy who owns the group, his mum was 802 01:06:14,039 --> 01:06:18,480 there were two camping stones boiling kettles for everybody to have tea and coffee. 803 01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:24,039 She'd taken our coffee order when we first walked into the place at the start 804 01:06:24,039 --> 01:06:27,760 of the evening, and I'm thinking, I thought then she was going to 805 01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:32,199 run down to Costa and buy us all coffees from there. She was there 806 01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:36,000 half an hour. It took to boil all this water so people could have 807 01:06:36,039 --> 01:06:40,400 to e and coffee. And in the end I just said, you know, 808 01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:42,440 I'm sorry, I'm going to have to go. I've just been told 809 01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:45,360 my kids are kicking off at home. And I went off up to berry 810 01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:50,480 sneedmands and I investigated rough from control tower insteady And of course it's all that 811 01:06:50,519 --> 01:06:57,360 horrible, cheap, nasty coffee as well as Yeah, it's usually Tesco's value 812 01:06:57,599 --> 01:07:04,000 taste like pencil cases. Exactly what you mean. In December, we were 813 01:07:04,159 --> 01:07:10,320 you and I will be investigating the Calvin Goven and Hatch, don't we the 814 01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:14,960 nuclear Bunkaleer. We're on a team. I'm hoping it's not gonna be too 815 01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:17,360 cold, but it's in December, so it's going to be freezing. Yeah, 816 01:07:17,599 --> 01:07:21,079 well with with Calvin and Hatch. The only time it's actually I've ever 817 01:07:21,159 --> 01:07:25,119 known it to be cold there is when you're walking in out of the tunnel 818 01:07:25,119 --> 01:07:28,960 to go back out to the car park. The rest of Calverton Hatches usually 819 01:07:29,039 --> 01:07:33,440 kept pretty warm because it's open during the day and he has the heating on 820 01:07:33,519 --> 01:07:40,840 in there. Oh yeah, so usually because it's it's now a tourist attraction 821 01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:45,119 and he's got a cafe in now he has the heating on going throughout the 822 01:07:45,119 --> 01:07:49,920 building and at nighttime it very rarely gets cold. And I've investigated there, 823 01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:58,320 oh blimey, maybe ten times, maybe more, and I've never really felt 824 01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:00,440 really that cold, unless it's you know, we've we've gone to leave and 825 01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:05,840 we've gone outside. You have you had some interesting results there because I'm very 826 01:08:05,840 --> 01:08:12,239 interested. I think it's it's quite a lively place for what I understand it 827 01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:18,640 is, oddly enough, and I've got involved in arguments there about how how 828 01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:25,319 can a place that's been built underground be haunted? And I say to people, 829 01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:29,880 it's like a normal house. It's not the house itself. It's not 830 01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:32,760 just the house that could be haunted. It could be the land that the 831 01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:36,960 house is sitting on, So it could be something that was there before the 832 01:08:38,119 --> 01:08:44,800 house. And the nuclear bunker itself is although it's built into a hillside, 833 01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:50,359 it was farmland. But near that farmland was a cemetery and a lot of 834 01:08:50,399 --> 01:08:56,279 all the soil and rocks and everything else that was taken out of the ground 835 01:08:57,079 --> 01:09:00,319 was put on top of that cemetery, so the he'd got buried even more 836 01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:09,600 so it's possible that it could be a disgruntled spirit from that cemetery wasn't happy. 837 01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:15,159 But it also could be spirits that in visitation. They could be a 838 01:09:15,199 --> 01:09:18,199 member of staff that loved working there and when he passed, decided to go 839 01:09:18,319 --> 01:09:24,640 back. But as I said earlier on, we were filming there a couple 840 01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:30,359 of years ago and then got affected by this nurse that didn't like anybody being 841 01:09:30,439 --> 01:09:33,279 there, and I had to rely on Joan to get rid of her. 842 01:09:33,479 --> 01:09:40,239 And that was when the smell of TCPS disappeared. And even Mark Manley has 843 01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:45,960 he's got video footage somewhere which I'll have to get him to send me over. 844 01:09:45,760 --> 01:09:50,720 But he's got film footage in the same area, in the hospital area. 845 01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:59,640 And as he's filming, you see someone standing behind one of those adjustable 846 01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:05,760 curtain things that they need to open up the constantina ones. As he's going 847 01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:10,279 around with the camera, you see someone standing the other side. But everybody 848 01:10:10,319 --> 01:10:13,840 was all accounted for, so they were like, who was that behind that 849 01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:17,760 curtain? And you clearly see this face. It's an amazing place. I 850 01:10:18,359 --> 01:10:21,640 enjoy it there. Yeah, I've been here a couple of times, just 851 01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:27,000 as a visitor, but not not on a ghost hunt as such. It's 852 01:10:27,039 --> 01:10:33,039 good investigation. I don't like the term ghost hunt because I turn around and 853 01:10:33,079 --> 01:10:40,479 say, look, I don't have a proton pack or I don't shoot them 854 01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:44,479 and then stick their heads up on my wall. I'm not a ghost hunter. 855 01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:49,359 I'm a paranormal investigator. So and it's not just ghosts. I go 856 01:10:49,439 --> 01:10:59,039 out looking for ghosts, Cryptid and the UFOs. And as Mark probably said 857 01:10:59,039 --> 01:11:01,359 to you that the you spoke the last time with him, you know, 858 01:11:01,479 --> 01:11:06,560 when we went to render some forest, we saw something we cannot explain. 859 01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:16,319 People say it could bean the t R three B Me personally, I don't 860 01:11:16,319 --> 01:11:20,119 think so, because from what me and Mark could figure out the way we 861 01:11:20,159 --> 01:11:28,039 worked it, it was a considerable size and I don't think anybody would be 862 01:11:28,039 --> 01:11:33,479 able to build something big enough and hide it successfully. That's how big it 863 01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:39,920 was. That's interesting because anyone who listened to Mark's show, Mark Manley, 864 01:11:40,279 --> 01:11:43,359 and they're hearing you say the same thing, that you both saw the same 865 01:11:43,399 --> 01:11:48,319 thing. It's actually quite interesting that you're saying that. You know, it's 866 01:11:48,399 --> 01:11:54,119 quite eventual. Yeah, And the thing was, we weren't there for the 867 01:11:54,199 --> 01:11:59,319 Dark Mirror radio show, which we host together. We were recording for Truth 868 01:11:59,319 --> 01:12:04,039 Beyond Paranor. I suggested to our director that maybe we've done so many of 869 01:12:05,359 --> 01:12:12,199 the ghost side of things, why don't we try going out for UFOs go 870 01:12:12,279 --> 01:12:15,560 to Rendersham Forest. We've got you know, it's free to go there, 871 01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:19,000 so we don't have to paint it, just our fuel. And from the 872 01:12:19,119 --> 01:12:24,159 moment we got there, things weren't right. We filmed at the East Gate 873 01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:30,560 where they claim to have seen the lights originally, and no. Sooner as 874 01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:34,399 we started to leave there, a white pickup fan came down towards the gate. 875 01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:40,000 We then got to the bottom of where the car park is at the 876 01:12:40,119 --> 01:12:44,479 end of the runway, and as we're filming again, this white pickup truck 877 01:12:44,520 --> 01:12:48,199 comes down on the inside of the fence stops and these two guys get out 878 01:12:48,279 --> 01:12:53,560 and just stand there watching us. And then we walked off down the footpath 879 01:12:53,600 --> 01:12:59,119 towards where the alleged landing site was, and literally from the moment we got 880 01:12:59,159 --> 01:13:03,920 down there, everything started going wrong. Two of our team were sent back 881 01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:08,840 to the car park to get some lights because it was getting quite dark, 882 01:13:09,399 --> 01:13:12,600 so we needed to illuminate the area. So they went to go back to 883 01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:17,039 the car to get the lights and they got lost, which from the landing 884 01:13:17,119 --> 01:13:21,199 sight to the car park was pretty straightforward. You go found one footpath and 885 01:13:21,199 --> 01:13:26,640 it's right in front of you. But they got lost. They went off 886 01:13:27,199 --> 01:13:32,119 in one way and they came back from the opposite direction. Once they came 887 01:13:32,239 --> 01:13:38,279 back, we kept hearing footprints, We kept hearing people moving around in the 888 01:13:38,279 --> 01:13:42,359 bushes, and we were like, well, could it be a monk, 889 01:13:42,439 --> 01:13:45,439 jack beer, could it have been a rabbit or a fox? Well, 890 01:13:45,479 --> 01:13:50,000 yes, but these are all creatures with four legs. They make more noise 891 01:13:50,439 --> 01:13:55,239 than a human being would unlet's a human being. He's walking around on all 892 01:13:55,319 --> 01:13:58,800 fours. And also I found out as human beers that around, they'll stay 893 01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:02,159 away from him anyway. Yeah, So we're standing there going we can hear 894 01:14:02,199 --> 01:14:05,920 this, and it was going from all around us every direction, need these 895 01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:11,039 footsteps, and I'm sitting there going, I wonder if it's these security guards, 896 01:14:11,399 --> 01:14:15,560 are they watching us? Then we spotted these two white lights. They 897 01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:20,319 went from west to east, and they as they were going towards the east, 898 01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:24,399 they got further apart from each other, so they were going at an 899 01:14:24,439 --> 01:14:29,840 angle and we're like, okay, that's weird. Solid white lights. We 900 01:14:29,960 --> 01:14:32,920 checked on the Flight Aviation Authorities website. Nothing was coming up on now, 901 01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:39,560 so we thought maybe their satellites. But at some point, if they were 902 01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:44,399 at the same height, they would have come from the original same point because 903 01:14:44,439 --> 01:14:47,000 they were getting a further apart from each other. Then as we watched them 904 01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:51,720 disappearing at the distance, we saw another one in the east going from south 905 01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:57,600 to north, but it was going in like a wave pattern, and we're 906 01:14:57,600 --> 01:15:02,439 like, that's not right, and again solid white light. Then Mark went, 907 01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:06,199 there's something up there, look and when we looked, there was this 908 01:15:06,439 --> 01:15:11,880 solid white light above the trees on one side of us. It disappeared, 909 01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:15,039 then it pops up on the other side of the clearing, and we're like, 910 01:15:15,159 --> 01:15:17,760 nah, this ain't right. Then Mark all of a sudden just went 911 01:15:18,680 --> 01:15:23,359 look up. And when I looked up, all I could see was this 912 01:15:23,399 --> 01:15:30,319 black triangle, and apart from a few wisps of cloud, that was all 913 01:15:30,319 --> 01:15:32,319 you could see in the night sky, apart from the stars and the moon. 914 01:15:33,159 --> 01:15:38,279 The moon was actually reflecting light off of these little wisps of cloud. 915 01:15:39,399 --> 01:15:44,960 But this black triangle had a white light at each point, nothing in the 916 01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:48,560 middle. Yeah, all the stars were all around. There was no other 917 01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:53,600 street lights or anything, so there was no other light pollution. Yet we 918 01:15:53,680 --> 01:15:58,359 saw this black triangle with the three lights in each corner, nothing in between. 919 01:16:00,039 --> 01:16:02,399 It's really pack. It's pitched star cut there. I know. Yeah, 920 01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:06,359 it's pitch black. But obviously we had the moon, so that was 921 01:16:06,399 --> 01:16:11,399 providing a bit of light, but not a lot. But you could see 922 01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:15,399 more stars than you normally would. But except for in this black triangle, 923 01:16:16,359 --> 01:16:20,399 there was nothing in there, and you could see where the moon was reflecting 924 01:16:20,439 --> 01:16:25,079 off the clouds. You could see these whisps of clouds passing underneath it, 925 01:16:26,479 --> 01:16:30,560 and Mark was quick as anything to potos of it, and then within seconds 926 01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:35,720 it went. It just disappeared. And then shortly after two jets and we 927 01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:41,159 assumed they were from sort of Lake and Eath area, came flying over and 928 01:16:41,199 --> 01:16:45,000 we confirmed it on the Fly Aviation Authority's website. These two American jets come 929 01:16:45,039 --> 01:16:51,199 flying over west to east and that was it. And we're thinking, look, 930 01:16:51,399 --> 01:16:59,119 Renderson Forest is living up two the stories from the eighties, Yeah, 931 01:17:00,239 --> 01:17:04,359 still visiting now, and I think they know they are visiting there still as 932 01:17:04,359 --> 01:17:06,479 well. Yeah, there's a lot of creepy so, I mean I used 933 01:17:06,479 --> 01:17:10,239 to do quite a lot of walks out up there and then right in the 934 01:17:10,239 --> 01:17:14,039 dead of night, coming home at three o'clock in the morning, and there's 935 01:17:14,039 --> 01:17:17,319 been lots of weird photos and things taken, you know, strange whispy shapes 936 01:17:17,359 --> 01:17:19,920 and things, things that you can't see with your eyes. But when you 937 01:17:20,199 --> 01:17:26,640 look at the photos and it's not someone smoking a lot of that and I 938 01:17:26,720 --> 01:17:30,640 know, I know the area was I mean as obviously goes right the way 939 01:17:30,680 --> 01:17:34,359 back to Anglo Saxon times because you had the some who which is only just 940 01:17:34,399 --> 01:17:38,560 down the road. Yeah, you got burial sites and things around. Yeah, 941 01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:44,520 so there was always something going on in that area. And whether you 942 01:17:44,600 --> 01:17:49,039 go down to shamanistic rituals or witchcraft and things like that is quite known in 943 01:17:49,079 --> 01:17:56,239 the area, so it's possible that there may be connections to those as well. 944 01:17:56,760 --> 01:18:00,079 Sure, but yeah, it was a bit alarming that knowing that they 945 01:18:00,119 --> 01:18:05,800 have tourists go up there on the UFO Walk, why did these two guys 946 01:18:06,199 --> 01:18:12,239 come down in the white pickup truck and watch what we were doing. It 947 01:18:12,319 --> 01:18:17,520 all seemed a little bit weird and weren't too impressed when they followed us down 948 01:18:17,560 --> 01:18:23,159 to the bottom of the runway. I'm watching what we were filming, and 949 01:18:23,199 --> 01:18:27,680 then weird stuff started happening. It was almost as if they knew something was 950 01:18:27,760 --> 01:18:32,239 coming into the woods that night. Sure, and it did freak us out 951 01:18:32,239 --> 01:18:38,000 a little bit. I know Mark wants to go back there again. I 952 01:18:38,079 --> 01:18:42,359 said, if he comes down this way, give us a shout and I'll 953 01:18:42,359 --> 01:18:46,119 go with you. I'm looking at doing a little trip out for spookan Ory 954 01:18:46,199 --> 01:18:53,039 events limited. I'm just waiting to pick a proper day where it's not so 955 01:18:53,199 --> 01:18:58,920 cold, and then I'm going to do a little trip up there for spookan 956 01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:01,479 ory events. So if anybody wants to come along, you know it's going 957 01:19:01,560 --> 01:19:06,560 to be a cheap event. Literally, it's probably going to be what I 958 01:19:06,600 --> 01:19:11,479 would class is the cheapest paranormal event going in the UK because it will only 959 01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:15,159 be a couple of pound each. And what we're going to do is we're 960 01:19:15,159 --> 01:19:17,560 going to go up there. We're going to start off at the east Gate 961 01:19:18,159 --> 01:19:26,479 where obviously it was first the first sights were seen physically, and do a 962 01:19:26,479 --> 01:19:30,720 little talk about that bit. Then go down the footpath to the alleged landing 963 01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:38,720 site where the statue thing is, I mean where that statue is. That 964 01:19:38,840 --> 01:19:42,960 isn't the actual site, No it's not. They just found a convenient little 965 01:19:43,000 --> 01:19:45,560 hill to put it. I think that the model thing they've got there. 966 01:19:46,199 --> 01:19:49,479 I mean someone said, someone said to me or that there is a there 967 01:19:49,520 --> 01:19:51,920 is a second side where they did actually land. I said, yeah, 968 01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:59,680 they didn't land at that particular point. It was just easier. It was 969 01:19:59,720 --> 01:20:01,600 easy just to do the statue and put it there because that was where there 970 01:20:01,640 --> 01:20:04,880 was an actual clearing. Yeah, I mean I can I can take you 971 01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:09,359 where Colonel Holt actually took me to show me where you know where the actual 972 01:20:09,439 --> 01:20:13,479 landing was, and you know which Jim Penistone and John Burrows. Yeah, 973 01:20:14,039 --> 01:20:16,239 because there's the other one in the field, isn't there, well, the 974 01:20:16,359 --> 01:20:23,319 farmer's field. As I understand, nothing actually landed at Caple Green. You 975 01:20:23,319 --> 01:20:27,000 know, that's a that's a yarn that was put out by somebody. Yeah, 976 01:20:27,079 --> 01:20:29,760 I mean there is. There's always been a lot of a lot of 977 01:20:30,079 --> 01:20:36,359 hearsay and things. It's like when they tried to sort of poo poo the 978 01:20:36,399 --> 01:20:42,880 idea, but it was it was the lighthouse. Yeah, And I'm like, 979 01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:45,680 how could it have been the lighthouse because that lighthouse is way too far 980 01:20:45,760 --> 01:20:51,000 away. The forest at the time would have been sort of fairly unkept, 981 01:20:51,399 --> 01:20:57,960 you know. Obviously the Forestry Commission hadn't gone in and started doing the coloring 982 01:20:58,000 --> 01:21:03,520 of the trees in a stomatic order, so everything there at the time would 983 01:21:03,560 --> 01:21:09,239 have been random. But then you got light pollution from a lighthouse. You 984 01:21:09,479 --> 01:21:15,439 didn't have the lightstining in land. Everyone on the base would have known about 985 01:21:15,479 --> 01:21:20,960 the lighthouses anyway. Yeah, you know, if had it been the lighthouse, 986 01:21:20,960 --> 01:21:26,479 that'd have been seeing UFOs every night, wouldn't they Exactly why why was 987 01:21:26,520 --> 01:21:30,680 it only that particular time, especially after the radar picked it up, and 988 01:21:30,680 --> 01:21:34,720 you're like, it can't be the lighthouse. The lighthouses too far away. 989 01:21:35,279 --> 01:21:43,199 Why do people still see things now even though the lighthouse doesn't exist anymore now, 990 01:21:44,880 --> 01:21:49,520 so you know, it just still adds to the mystery about what they 991 01:21:49,560 --> 01:21:54,479 had seen. Yeah, that's an amazing it really is. So I do 992 01:21:54,680 --> 01:21:58,119 I do want to do a little, a little trip up there, and 993 01:21:58,159 --> 01:22:00,079 it's not going to it's not going to be much, but you know, 994 01:22:00,159 --> 01:22:03,840 I've had quite a bit of interest from people sure that I said, they 995 01:22:03,880 --> 01:22:08,680 would like to do an investigation up there. So I said, right, 996 01:22:08,720 --> 01:22:12,199 well, leave it with me and I'll arrange something. Will definitely give me 997 01:22:12,239 --> 01:22:15,079 a nudge for that, because oh yeah, as well as I'm around, 998 01:22:15,119 --> 01:22:18,720 I'll I'll go to the States in a few weeks. But hopefully because you're 999 01:22:18,760 --> 01:22:24,840 going to miss my little talk. How when is your little talk at the 1000 01:22:24,840 --> 01:22:29,399 the saying that the surfing group, isn't it? Yeah, it's twenty twenty 1001 01:22:29,399 --> 01:22:31,239 fourth or twenty fifth of mate? Oh the twenty fourth, Yeah, yes, 1002 01:22:31,319 --> 01:22:36,720 the day we actually fly. It's a shame that I don't know what 1003 01:22:36,760 --> 01:22:40,239 I'm doing for that yet. I'm just sitting there thinking to myself, do 1004 01:22:40,359 --> 01:22:45,039 I do stuff like our point viewers on the laptop and stuff like that, 1005 01:22:45,119 --> 01:22:47,399 or do I just do what I did the last convention that I did and 1006 01:22:47,640 --> 01:22:54,880 they do they do have a screen and all that there. Well, I'm 1007 01:22:54,880 --> 01:22:58,000 going to get my lovely partner to work a power point view of thing for 1008 01:22:58,039 --> 01:23:01,680 me so I can put it all through the projector and the screen. Hopefully 1009 01:23:01,680 --> 01:23:03,920 they'll get it all set up for you. I mean hopefully some will be 1010 01:23:03,960 --> 01:23:10,600 listening to this show anyway from from the from the the South End group or 1011 01:23:10,640 --> 01:23:15,319 the Essex Crug. Now is it the SXUF Paranormal Group. I mean it's 1012 01:23:15,359 --> 01:23:18,680 it's it's weird because doing the parafest, it was just it steered a table 1013 01:23:18,720 --> 01:23:21,880 and I've seen other people doing it. I'm like, this is all new 1014 01:23:21,920 --> 01:23:28,039 to me. I've never done anything like this before. And when when Gabe 1015 01:23:28,079 --> 01:23:31,359 Bradfield asked me to do parafests the first time round, I'm like, what 1016 01:23:31,439 --> 01:23:34,039 do I talk about? What do I do? How do I present it? 1017 01:23:34,760 --> 01:23:38,279 So? And in the end I just stood there and just talked. 1018 01:23:39,439 --> 01:23:43,119 And then when I ended up going up the second time last year, I'm 1019 01:23:43,159 --> 01:23:45,319 like right, Okay, I've got to talk about something different this time, 1020 01:23:45,359 --> 01:23:53,439 because yeah, and there's going to be some people that were there last year 1021 01:23:54,159 --> 01:23:57,159 or the year before. They are going to know what I'm going to talk 1022 01:23:57,159 --> 01:24:00,399 about. So really I need to be talking about something different. That's the 1023 01:24:00,479 --> 01:24:03,560 way to problem. Yeah. So I did. I went to something different 1024 01:24:03,640 --> 01:24:12,159 and it and it worked. Excuse me, it's and it's with this one. 1025 01:24:12,199 --> 01:24:14,800 And I'm just sitting there thinking to myself, like, I've got to 1026 01:24:14,880 --> 01:24:17,640 work out a proper way of doing this because if these sort of things happen 1027 01:24:17,680 --> 01:24:23,279 on a regular basis, now I need to really work on my presentations a 1028 01:24:23,319 --> 01:24:29,640 bit more. Imagine how these people feel who have had that one event in 1029 01:24:29,680 --> 01:24:30,720 their life. You know, it could have been a biggy bed like someone 1030 01:24:30,760 --> 01:24:36,079 like Travis Walton for example, and the amount of times has been around telling 1031 01:24:36,119 --> 01:24:41,119 that same story, you know, it's kind of it must get you down 1032 01:24:41,159 --> 01:24:44,359 a bit all the thought it I mean, it does. I mean when 1033 01:24:44,359 --> 01:24:51,000 I'm obviously with tonight talking to you, it's no, it doesn't let me 1034 01:24:51,079 --> 01:24:55,520 down. I just keep thinking to myself, some of these, some of 1035 01:24:55,560 --> 01:25:00,039 these events that have happened, I'm saying them over and over again. The 1036 01:25:00,159 --> 01:25:08,880 different people through various means, and I keep it's like reliving that moment again, 1037 01:25:09,000 --> 01:25:13,079 if you know what I mean. Yeah, And I'm sort of like, 1038 01:25:13,880 --> 01:25:18,439 because I write my books, it sort of ends up taking over and 1039 01:25:18,479 --> 01:25:21,159 I end up passing them off into my books as well. Some of my 1040 01:25:21,319 --> 01:25:29,560 experiences have ended up in my books for that reason. And so when something 1041 01:25:29,640 --> 01:25:35,399 I experienced on a paranormal investigation myself, I've will sort of inadvertently end up 1042 01:25:35,560 --> 01:25:39,760 placing it in one of my books without realizing. Then I'll read it back 1043 01:25:39,800 --> 01:25:45,319 and I'll go, hang on a minute, that happened to me a journal 1044 01:25:45,079 --> 01:25:47,680 Yeah, I mean, Cozy, let's talk a bit, a little bit 1045 01:25:47,720 --> 01:25:51,279 about your books. I've got three of them in front of me. I 1046 01:25:51,279 --> 01:25:56,319 don't know how many exactly you've written, I mean, is it so far? 1047 01:25:57,119 --> 01:26:00,000 And at the moment there's four. Well, I've got three of them. 1048 01:26:00,239 --> 01:26:04,039 I've got a Whistle from the Hills that's the first one. I've got 1049 01:26:04,119 --> 01:26:10,640 Lady Jake that's second one and probably the most popular at the moment. And 1050 01:26:10,760 --> 01:26:15,119 the Job Job Done. Job Done also is Cricket, which Job Done is 1051 01:26:15,159 --> 01:26:23,720 the fourth book, and Cricket Cricket was my third and that one was more 1052 01:26:23,760 --> 01:26:30,520 of the supernatural Mother Nature book. It's about a boy that has an incurable 1053 01:26:30,520 --> 01:26:35,600 illness and his family decide if he can't be cured, we want to take 1054 01:26:35,680 --> 01:26:41,439 him on holiday and let me enjoy himself before the inevitable happens. Only while 1055 01:26:41,479 --> 01:26:48,680 they're on holiday, Mother Nature steps in and weird stuff starts happening, which 1056 01:26:49,159 --> 01:26:54,520 I thought was quite good because of a lot of that story is based on 1057 01:26:54,640 --> 01:26:59,439 Corfu, where I go on holidays, and my mum and dad and their 1058 01:26:59,479 --> 01:27:03,479 dog are in the story. My son is on the front cover of the 1059 01:27:03,520 --> 01:27:09,560 book, and he's very discreetly placed, so you have to look really hard 1060 01:27:09,640 --> 01:27:15,319 to find his face on the cover of the book, excuse me. And 1061 01:27:15,359 --> 01:27:24,720 I'm currently working on my fifth one, called Overdue, which is about I 1062 01:27:24,760 --> 01:27:32,319 wouldn't say a ghost train. It's about haunted railway line and that again is 1063 01:27:32,479 --> 01:27:36,600 sort of like loosely based on an old railway line that used to run from 1064 01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:43,399 where I live to a town about six or seven miles down and they removed 1065 01:27:44,239 --> 01:27:48,520 the track in the fifties and just just kept the main line track to Clacton 1066 01:27:48,560 --> 01:27:54,439 on Sea running. So I thought, you know, I'm gonna I'm going 1067 01:27:54,520 --> 01:27:57,560 to do this. I'm going to do a nice little story. And I 1068 01:27:57,600 --> 01:28:02,680 originally wrote it a good seven maybe eight years ago when I was still working 1069 01:28:02,720 --> 01:28:10,000 with Most Haunted, and it is on I think it's still on my YouTube 1070 01:28:10,079 --> 01:28:15,880 channel, and I looked at it and I thought, really, this is 1071 01:28:15,960 --> 01:28:20,199 really small and for me to publish it, I've got to reimagine this story 1072 01:28:20,680 --> 01:28:26,720 because it's not big enough. So I went back to it, I revisited 1073 01:28:26,760 --> 01:28:30,079 it and thought, right, I can put stuff at a lot of stuff 1074 01:28:30,079 --> 01:28:35,359 in here. And I started rewriting, and straight away I've got two chapters 1075 01:28:36,199 --> 01:28:43,399 that are completely different to the original story. And so now I've got to 1076 01:28:43,479 --> 01:28:48,439 a stage where it's getting bigger than all the other books previously, and I 1077 01:28:48,520 --> 01:28:51,199 keep getting told off by my mum. She turns around and she says, 1078 01:28:51,199 --> 01:28:55,039 oh, when you're going to release it? And I said, look, 1079 01:28:55,520 --> 01:28:58,840 he'll be out when it's out. You know, books don't write themselves overnight. 1080 01:28:58,920 --> 01:29:00,680 She is here, but you've doing this for two years and it's a 1081 01:29:00,720 --> 01:29:06,279 bit overdue. So yeah, exactly. And I decided I was going to 1082 01:29:06,319 --> 01:29:10,560 have a little dig at my mum, and I put a post up on 1083 01:29:10,600 --> 01:29:16,199 Facebook saying about the book itself, and the caption read some trains are late 1084 01:29:16,399 --> 01:29:21,560 for a reason, and it's got a picture of two shadow people standing on 1085 01:29:21,600 --> 01:29:28,159 a misty railway line. And my mum turned around and went, is that 1086 01:29:28,239 --> 01:29:30,319 a dig at me? And I said, yeah, it is a dig 1087 01:29:30,359 --> 01:29:31,640 at you. I'm sorry. I'm going to be honest. It is a 1088 01:29:31,680 --> 01:29:35,800 dig at you because you keep going on about it. So there's the caption, 1089 01:29:36,279 --> 01:29:42,239 read it some trains are late for a reason, and I've just left 1090 01:29:42,239 --> 01:29:45,319 it at that, and she's like, okay, fair enough. But the 1091 01:29:45,399 --> 01:29:50,359 problem then is that while I'm writing one book, I get ideas for others 1092 01:29:50,359 --> 01:29:56,800 coming mad. I can just be talking to someone about things in general and 1093 01:29:56,840 --> 01:30:00,800 a new idea pops up. I'm going to be like, seriously, I 1094 01:30:00,840 --> 01:30:03,439 can't keep dealing with this. I keep getting new ideas and my phone has 1095 01:30:03,479 --> 01:30:11,960 got about forty six different ideas than stories, dating back years because as I'm 1096 01:30:12,000 --> 01:30:16,239 going about my daily business, I keep thinking of different stories. And it's 1097 01:30:16,880 --> 01:30:24,319 yeah, I think one day I might actually sort of do an actual book 1098 01:30:24,359 --> 01:30:30,479 of my experiences rather than my stories. M Yeah, it sounds like you've 1099 01:30:30,520 --> 01:30:33,520 got a book to write. There. Yeah, I think there is. 1100 01:30:33,560 --> 01:30:38,199 There is There are plenty of things, ranging from place like Charlton House, 1101 01:30:38,399 --> 01:30:43,800 Preston Manor, Fought Widley and for Hampton Hall, you know, from all 1102 01:30:43,840 --> 01:30:47,439 over the UK. I've had these different paranormal experiences and I keep I say 1103 01:30:47,439 --> 01:30:49,960 to myself, if I was to write all these down into a book with 1104 01:30:50,119 --> 01:30:58,239 people buy it, and I don't know it's I'd like to think people would, 1105 01:30:58,279 --> 01:31:01,079 but then again, I don't do it to make the money from it. 1106 01:31:01,800 --> 01:31:05,720 You know. I write the stories because I enjoy writing them, and 1107 01:31:05,760 --> 01:31:11,159 then I get the secondary joy from the fact that people and yes they've brought 1108 01:31:11,199 --> 01:31:15,399 the book, but they enjoy the books, and that's that's all. I 1109 01:31:15,439 --> 01:31:19,399 need. My self published through Amazon and there isn't much profit in it, 1110 01:31:20,680 --> 01:31:25,359 and that doesn't mother me. A lot of people they will write books and 1111 01:31:25,680 --> 01:31:29,319 they'll sell them through Amazon, and they'll sell them as much as possible, 1112 01:31:30,000 --> 01:31:32,159 thinking they're going to make a lot of money from it, or they will 1113 01:31:32,319 --> 01:31:40,840 purposely go out pay for an agent to push the books at publishers. And 1114 01:31:40,920 --> 01:31:45,760 I tried contacting Penguin Books and they didn't want to know unless I pay for 1115 01:31:45,760 --> 01:31:50,439 an agent, and I'm like, I can't afford to just go out and 1116 01:31:50,479 --> 01:31:58,560 get an agent. You exactly it costs to have that agent, And what 1117 01:31:58,600 --> 01:32:01,479 if that agent doesn't get you up publisher, You've just paid out all that 1118 01:32:01,520 --> 01:32:06,479 money for what nothing. And it was then suggested to me that maybe I 1119 01:32:06,479 --> 01:32:13,439 should self publish. And it came from a lady who started off self publishing 1120 01:32:14,439 --> 01:32:19,479 and after eight books, and I think her subject matter was crime and romance, 1121 01:32:21,119 --> 01:32:26,880 And after eight books, a publisher approached her and said, we would 1122 01:32:26,920 --> 01:32:30,680 like to publish your books. So she came away then from self publishing and 1123 01:32:30,720 --> 01:32:34,399 went with the publisher and now that's all she does for a living. She 1124 01:32:34,399 --> 01:32:41,600 doesn't do anything else. Yes, although that would be nice, you know, 1125 01:32:41,720 --> 01:32:45,359 just to be able to sit back and just right away and just let 1126 01:32:45,520 --> 01:32:51,039 the money come in. I'm sort of a bit reluctant to want to have 1127 01:32:51,159 --> 01:32:56,840 that happen because I'm enjoying the writing so much and sharing my stories with other 1128 01:32:56,880 --> 01:33:01,920 people that it doesn't really bother me. You know, there's not much profit 1129 01:33:01,960 --> 01:33:04,720 in it, but that's not why I do it. The same as with 1130 01:33:04,760 --> 01:33:09,640 the paranormal investigating. If I wanted to, I could go out, I 1131 01:33:09,640 --> 01:33:14,199 could book a venue, and I could charge fifteen to twenty pounds more than 1132 01:33:14,199 --> 01:33:17,720 what the cost price would be, But then that takes the enjoyment out of 1133 01:33:17,760 --> 01:33:24,399 it. And I would rather people enjoyed their night rather than watch pounds disappear 1134 01:33:24,439 --> 01:33:30,560 out of their pockets. Yeah, I'm with you on that. Yeah, 1135 01:33:30,079 --> 01:33:34,359 it's one of those things. I enjoy the paranormal and I'd like to have 1136 01:33:34,520 --> 01:33:40,720 other people enjoy it with me. And I don't believe that people should be 1137 01:33:40,760 --> 01:33:46,279 paying pounds and pounds more than what they should be, Yeah, to enjoy 1138 01:33:46,359 --> 01:33:51,239 something like that. Sure, I mean I don't do I don't do things 1139 01:33:51,359 --> 01:33:59,479 like what they call it urban exploring that. I don't have to go at 1140 01:33:59,479 --> 01:34:03,399 anybody that does because it's down to them. But I personally, on a 1141 01:34:03,479 --> 01:34:08,680 safety level, you know, a health and safety side of things. If 1142 01:34:08,720 --> 01:34:11,720 something was to happen while I was doing that, who would know I was 1143 01:34:11,760 --> 01:34:16,319 there? Yeah? Yeah, no insurance to cover you because you shouldn't have 1144 01:34:16,319 --> 01:34:19,600 been there in the first place. I will break your leg or something. 1145 01:34:19,680 --> 01:34:25,079 Yeah, exactly. And for me, the truth beyond paranormal. And it 1146 01:34:25,199 --> 01:34:30,000 was suggested once we went to we went to this abandoned building and item management 1147 01:34:30,000 --> 01:34:32,239 and said, does anybody know we're going to be there? Have you contacted 1148 01:34:32,239 --> 01:34:34,840 the owner of that building, and they went She went, well, no, 1149 01:34:34,920 --> 01:34:39,199 we just turn up and go in and I turn amn it. Well, 1150 01:34:39,239 --> 01:34:43,800 you do realize that's urban exploring. If nobody knows we're going to be 1151 01:34:43,920 --> 01:34:49,000 there, what happens if one of us has an accident? How is anybody 1152 01:34:49,079 --> 01:34:51,600 going to know where we are? Yeah, and that's the law coming so 1153 01:34:51,680 --> 01:34:54,720 that as well. I mean, can that be a breaking an entry in 1154 01:34:54,880 --> 01:34:59,119 the tope thing as well? It depends on the building if there is no 1155 01:34:59,399 --> 01:35:03,840 I mean we have it with ref upward in Huntingdon. I wasn't too keen 1156 01:35:03,880 --> 01:35:06,039 on going up there, and she said no, because there's a break in 1157 01:35:06,119 --> 01:35:14,600 the fence. There's a section there where when the site was closed down, 1158 01:35:14,800 --> 01:35:19,600 this defence was put up on purpose. The sections were removed and people drive 1159 01:35:19,640 --> 01:35:24,920 their cars through to get to the local housing estate. They said, if 1160 01:35:24,920 --> 01:35:28,800 there's a gap in the fence, you can enter those grounds. And it's 1161 01:35:28,800 --> 01:35:33,960 only a civil matter, not a criminal matter if you break into the building. 1162 01:35:34,119 --> 01:35:39,640 So if it's boarded up or all the windows are in place, and 1163 01:35:39,680 --> 01:35:44,479 you then physically break or damage a window or a door to get into the 1164 01:35:44,520 --> 01:35:48,359 property, then you have committed a criminal act. Then you can get done 1165 01:35:48,399 --> 01:35:53,399 for the police for being there. So I'm like, well, that's fine, 1166 01:35:53,680 --> 01:35:58,359 but we're entering a property with no windows, so we're still under the 1167 01:35:58,399 --> 01:36:05,600 civil But the problem we have is my director and her husband live in Aylesbury 1168 01:36:06,600 --> 01:36:12,640 and the remaining four team members all live here in Colchester. I'm the only 1169 01:36:12,640 --> 01:36:16,800 one that drives out of us. So if I was to go with them 1170 01:36:16,880 --> 01:36:21,319 to a location that was class des urban exploring and I broke my leg, 1171 01:36:23,079 --> 01:36:28,640 how would the other three team members get home? You see, on a 1172 01:36:28,720 --> 01:36:33,079 health and safety side of things and insurance side, we wouldn't stand a chance. 1173 01:36:34,680 --> 01:36:39,000 So I said, we don't do urban exploring. If we go to 1174 01:36:39,079 --> 01:36:44,159 these places, I want somebody to know that we are there so nothing happens. 1175 01:36:44,800 --> 01:36:48,920 And we had that in an old people's home in Houstard. The director 1176 01:36:49,520 --> 01:36:53,720 we've been told by a good friend of ours, Peter Fox, who was 1177 01:36:53,760 --> 01:36:58,159 part of our team at one time till he was ill, and that has 1178 01:36:58,159 --> 01:37:03,319 suggested this place. And Sam contacted the care home next door and basically what 1179 01:37:03,359 --> 01:37:09,640 they've done was they built a new purpose built care home and just left the 1180 01:37:09,680 --> 01:37:14,399 buildings from the old one. So she contacted them and said, would you 1181 01:37:14,439 --> 01:37:17,920 mind if we came and filmed in the care home and they've gone, yeah, 1182 01:37:17,960 --> 01:37:21,319 yeah, and that's no problem, give us a date time you'll be 1183 01:37:21,439 --> 01:37:26,840 there. We'll let the night staff know. Only they didn't let the night 1184 01:37:26,920 --> 01:37:30,119 staff know. And we've gone in there and we started to film and we're 1185 01:37:30,159 --> 01:37:33,640 just filming the introduction and then all of a sudden, these torches were coming 1186 01:37:33,720 --> 01:37:36,720 up the stairs and I'm like, oh, I was going on? What 1187 01:37:36,800 --> 01:37:41,399 was going on the next minutes? Hello? Police, stay where you are? 1188 01:37:41,720 --> 01:37:45,720 And yet we're staying here. They've come up to us. And this 1189 01:37:45,920 --> 01:37:50,720 was when we were in the COVID tear system and we'd all been we'd all 1190 01:37:50,880 --> 01:37:55,760 wearing face masks, we'd all done COVID tests before we all got there. 1191 01:37:55,800 --> 01:38:00,479 We were all in the same area anyway, so we all still under the 1192 01:38:00,520 --> 01:38:03,560 Tier two system. So as a production company, we were still allowed to 1193 01:38:03,560 --> 01:38:08,680 go out filming. We just had to follow the guidelines. Of course, 1194 01:38:08,720 --> 01:38:12,239 these police officers have come upstairs. What you're doing here? So we've explained 1195 01:38:12,239 --> 01:38:21,880 it all and it's one police officer who was very belligerent and cantankerous, stood 1196 01:38:21,920 --> 01:38:25,319 there going, oh, you shouldn't be in here, blah blah blah, 1197 01:38:25,399 --> 01:38:29,600 we said, look, we've just explained to you. We explained to the 1198 01:38:29,680 --> 01:38:32,560 day staff and asked them if it was okay. They said, yes, 1199 01:38:32,600 --> 01:38:36,159 you've got our permission. We'll let the night staff know. They obviously haven't 1200 01:38:36,199 --> 01:38:41,800 let them know it, and she showed them the emails of communication. I 1201 01:38:41,880 --> 01:38:44,840 said, right, well, for now, we'll just have to you just 1202 01:38:44,920 --> 01:38:46,640 have to leave. So we said, right, fine, we've left, 1203 01:38:46,800 --> 01:38:51,159 and oddly enough their cars were punked with ours. So we're walking across this 1204 01:38:51,279 --> 01:38:57,720 field. We got to the cars and this particular police officer that was being 1205 01:38:57,760 --> 01:39:01,520 a bit awkward. He turned around and he said, you do realize that 1206 01:39:01,800 --> 01:39:08,159 you under COVID regulations. And then I noticed it and I thought, oh 1207 01:39:08,199 --> 01:39:11,199 dear, I've got to come back, and you're not going to like it. 1208 01:39:11,279 --> 01:39:14,880 And he went look, he said, you're supposed to abide by the 1209 01:39:14,920 --> 01:39:18,199 COVID rules and regulations, which is which is all I were were there were 1210 01:39:18,319 --> 01:39:25,119 laws, COVID regulations. I said, look, we've all tested negative, 1211 01:39:25,800 --> 01:39:29,560 we all did tests before we all left our homes. We've all got the 1212 01:39:29,760 --> 01:39:33,600 emails of compliance with that. We've also got the emails from the government that 1213 01:39:33,640 --> 01:39:36,640 said, as a production company, we can still go out in the film 1214 01:39:36,920 --> 01:39:41,960 and we're we're keeping our distance from each other, and we're wearing face masks. 1215 01:39:42,279 --> 01:39:45,600 And I then quickly snapped in and went, where's your face mask? 1216 01:39:46,399 --> 01:39:51,079 And he got in his car and gone, and I thought, don't ever 1217 01:39:51,439 --> 01:39:55,840 ever throw the rules at the people that know the rules better than you. 1218 01:39:56,279 --> 01:40:00,680 Yeah, and he disappeared. The other place that were with us thought that 1219 01:40:00,760 --> 01:40:05,199 was hilarious. Man said, that's the first time today that he's ever shut 1220 01:40:05,279 --> 01:40:11,039 up. And I'm like, oh, okay, fair enough. But we 1221 01:40:11,119 --> 01:40:14,239 never went back there as a result, because we thought, if there's going 1222 01:40:14,319 --> 01:40:17,239 to be a break in communication between two lots of staff, we're going to 1223 01:40:17,279 --> 01:40:21,960 get this every time we go there. And I want to be above board. 1224 01:40:21,960 --> 01:40:26,840 I don't want to be sort of skimming under the radar. I mean, 1225 01:40:27,119 --> 01:40:29,960 on the way over to this old People's zone, we inadvertently ended up 1226 01:40:30,000 --> 01:40:33,239 in a farmer's back garden and we're like, this only the old people's and 1227 01:40:33,399 --> 01:40:38,600 this is someone's house. There's no fences. We just wandered through his back 1228 01:40:38,600 --> 01:40:45,079 garden. We've had We've had some really good funny times, and our episodes 1229 01:40:45,720 --> 01:40:48,840 do show the funny side of what we do. We have a blueper reel 1230 01:40:48,880 --> 01:40:56,199 at the end of every episode, so all of the cock ups are there 1231 01:40:56,239 --> 01:41:00,640 just to prove that we're only human. And the best one was Ari Upward. 1232 01:41:00,920 --> 01:41:05,319 I was filming in one of the admin buildings and I was just explaining 1233 01:41:05,399 --> 01:41:12,119 on camera that a black shadow was seen skipping from one room to the other. 1234 01:41:13,039 --> 01:41:16,119 And as I'm walking down the corridor and my partner's phone goes off and 1235 01:41:16,199 --> 01:41:21,239 at the time she had under the Sea from the Little Mermaid theme tune. 1236 01:41:23,680 --> 01:41:27,039 So of course, as I'm explained that you hear this, do did do? 1237 01:41:26,960 --> 01:41:30,560 Do? You do? Do no? Seriously? And that was it. 1238 01:41:30,640 --> 01:41:35,039 We were all in hysterics. It just shows It just goes to show 1239 01:41:35,079 --> 01:41:41,920 that although we do have some scripts, we also show you what happens when 1240 01:41:41,960 --> 01:41:48,680 we cock up. It's all fun and that's why we do it. There 1241 01:41:48,680 --> 01:41:54,119 are your books, Wayne, so you can just order them on on the 1242 01:41:54,239 --> 01:41:58,840 Amazon, can you, Yes, they're they're available on Amazon. If you 1243 01:41:58,880 --> 01:42:02,840 look up Wayne Seeden, Sense Spookin' Ory, they'll all pop up. All 1244 01:42:02,880 --> 01:42:11,239 four books. They're available on paperback and on Kindle, but they're also available 1245 01:42:11,279 --> 01:42:15,520 directly from myself, which is one of the good things that Amazon have allowed 1246 01:42:15,520 --> 01:42:20,119 in the contract, I can buy authors copies. I can buy that up 1247 01:42:20,119 --> 01:42:27,840 to one thousand at a time, and I can sell them myself obviously no 1248 01:42:28,039 --> 01:42:31,079 higher than the Amazon price. So what I tend to do now is I 1249 01:42:31,199 --> 01:42:36,479 tend to buy a bulkload of each one and I sell them. Amazon have 1250 01:42:36,560 --> 01:42:42,319 got them at three pounds fifty each and I sell them all four for twelve 1251 01:42:42,359 --> 01:42:45,840 pound. But then what I do is I sign them, I personalize them, 1252 01:42:45,239 --> 01:42:48,720 and I usually put a free bookmark in as well. You get a 1253 01:42:48,720 --> 01:42:53,760 little picture of a ghost as well. Oh yes, you get my little 1254 01:42:53,800 --> 01:42:59,960 ghost logo as well. I'll be after your train one that says with you 1255 01:43:00,039 --> 01:43:02,720 interesting anyway, So what's what is your YouTube side? As all? Wayne? 1256 01:43:02,760 --> 01:43:08,279 While you're here, If you just put in Wayne seedon it will come 1257 01:43:08,319 --> 01:43:12,560 up there. I don't unfortunately with the YouTube side. Since I've gone on 1258 01:43:12,640 --> 01:43:18,119 to Facebook, I've walked away from YouTube and I hardly, I very rarely 1259 01:43:18,159 --> 01:43:24,279 put anything on the YouTube channel. There are still some stories from the most 1260 01:43:24,279 --> 01:43:30,880 Haunted days on there. But what I'm doing is as I'm rewriting those stories, 1261 01:43:30,960 --> 01:43:33,920 I'm removing them off of YouTube. And then what I'm going to do 1262 01:43:34,000 --> 01:43:40,600 is I'm going to remove all of the videos from YouTube completely for my new 1263 01:43:40,640 --> 01:43:46,479 project. My new project will then take over on the YouTube only, all 1264 01:43:46,560 --> 01:43:53,560 right, so so that we can talk about an other time it can be 1265 01:43:53,720 --> 01:44:00,239 yes, because it's this project will be sort of a cross between paranorm more 1266 01:44:00,399 --> 01:44:10,319 and normal as such, but it's what's normal nowadays. It's it's it's going 1267 01:44:10,359 --> 01:44:14,399 to be based on something that I've been thinking about for a few years now, 1268 01:44:15,880 --> 01:44:21,640 and it's going to be very similar in appearance to Arthur Sea Clant's World 1269 01:44:21,640 --> 01:44:28,600 of Strange Powers So Good, but rather than World of Strange Powers, it's 1270 01:44:28,640 --> 01:44:34,239 going to be called Wayne's Weird and Wonderful World. And it's more about strange 1271 01:44:34,239 --> 01:44:40,359 things on this earth and off this earth that really we don't pay much attention 1272 01:44:40,560 --> 01:44:45,239 to, or don't notice, or don't really show any care about. And 1273 01:44:45,319 --> 01:44:55,079 I did a tester last year on the to the Graven Back and it was 1274 01:44:55,319 --> 01:45:00,479 very well received and we covered a myriad to different things, and one of 1275 01:45:00,520 --> 01:45:06,439 them was the rainbow eucalyptus tree, which was predominant around Asia and on Australia, 1276 01:45:09,079 --> 01:45:15,880 and the bark itself is multi colored and hence it's name, the rainbow 1277 01:45:15,920 --> 01:45:20,800 eucalyptus tree, and I believe now that it only grows in Malaysia because it 1278 01:45:20,880 --> 01:45:25,920 was cut down for its timber. It's now only grown inlay. It's only 1279 01:45:26,000 --> 01:45:29,920 now only growing in Malaysia, and they're trying to bring it back from extinction. 1280 01:45:31,319 --> 01:45:34,760 And it was just things like that that I think, you know, 1281 01:45:35,079 --> 01:45:41,119 not a lot of people are actually paying attention to the amazing, weird and 1282 01:45:41,159 --> 01:45:45,600 beautiful things that we've got on our own planet. Because we're now so wrapped 1283 01:45:45,680 --> 01:45:49,560 up in doing things in an order and the way other people want us to 1284 01:45:49,600 --> 01:45:55,239 do it, we're forgetting all the things that are not on our doorstep that 1285 01:45:56,479 --> 01:46:02,000 really are quite amazing. Yeah. So I decided to do this little project 1286 01:46:02,079 --> 01:46:08,600 and I've got the first the first one, which is underway in edit now. 1287 01:46:09,840 --> 01:46:15,199 The only problem is it's fitting everything in because I'm getting asked to do 1288 01:46:16,079 --> 01:46:21,319 little adverts for other groups, when I'm being called away to come into places 1289 01:46:21,359 --> 01:46:28,600 like Telford to film a promo video for a group that have joined together with 1290 01:46:28,640 --> 01:46:34,119 another group to promote a venue. And then obviously there's truth beyond paranormal, 1291 01:46:34,279 --> 01:46:40,640 the spokanery, events, the books, and it's the children as well, 1292 01:46:40,680 --> 01:46:46,159 because obviously they're my top priority. Everything else has to come after them. 1293 01:46:46,319 --> 01:46:50,359 When you've got a son that's got to have a hip replacement and has just 1294 01:46:50,439 --> 01:46:56,279 recently had steroid in jails. I saw that in the hospital photos. All 1295 01:46:56,319 --> 01:47:00,920 the best for that. Anyway, he's done phenomenon well. I never expected 1296 01:47:01,000 --> 01:47:05,079 him to react the way he did, but he's taken a lot after me. 1297 01:47:05,680 --> 01:47:10,119 He's got a high praying threshold, and if he does feel pain, 1298 01:47:10,159 --> 01:47:15,119 he doesn't show it. But he's come out of the steroid injections really well, 1299 01:47:15,279 --> 01:47:18,359 and I'm proud of him for that. The worst one now is going 1300 01:47:18,359 --> 01:47:26,119 to be around Christmas time. He's got to have a right hip replacement and 1301 01:47:26,159 --> 01:47:30,119 they're looking at trying to stop for left it from going the same way. 1302 01:47:31,199 --> 01:47:35,640 But then at the same time we've had my youngest son, Freddie has been 1303 01:47:35,680 --> 01:47:42,199 diagnosed with autism. They suspect it's ADHD, but they can't test that for 1304 01:47:42,239 --> 01:47:45,479 another two years. And then they turned around and said, my youngest daughter 1305 01:47:46,159 --> 01:47:49,800 has got suspected ADHD, so they want to start the ball rolling for her. 1306 01:47:51,000 --> 01:47:54,680 And then on top of that, my oldest daughter turns around and says, 1307 01:47:55,239 --> 01:47:58,159 well, should I be tested as well? If everybody else has got 1308 01:47:58,199 --> 01:48:02,079 it. Please don't know. Yeah, you got your hands for you, 1309 01:48:02,000 --> 01:48:06,279 you know. So it's doing all things, all the things like that. 1310 01:48:06,319 --> 01:48:11,399 And when I've got my parents visiting soon, I'm like, I'm running around 1311 01:48:11,439 --> 01:48:14,000 the house and I'm like, right, what needs to be done? Got 1312 01:48:14,000 --> 01:48:16,800 to make the place look good for them when they arrive. I saw you 1313 01:48:16,840 --> 01:48:23,119 putting the floor down, yeah, with the old with the old geto glue. 1314 01:48:23,479 --> 01:48:28,119 That gave me a wonderful headache last night. That I'm quite proud of 1315 01:48:28,159 --> 01:48:30,119 myself because I've never laid a floor before, so yeah, I looked pretty 1316 01:48:30,159 --> 01:48:33,640 good. I'm proud of what I've done so far, and now I'm painting 1317 01:48:33,680 --> 01:48:40,800 the whole way. I've already refurbished my mum's old cupboards and drawers. That's 1318 01:48:40,800 --> 01:48:44,560 one thing I've always been good at. When I put my mind to something, 1319 01:48:44,600 --> 01:48:46,239 I tend to do a good job of it. And I'm not a 1320 01:48:46,319 --> 01:48:54,279 painter and decorator, but I've redecorated my mum's old pine kitchen cupboards and drawers 1321 01:48:55,079 --> 01:49:03,159 and they've gone from being pine to a power bait and roll rose gold. 1322 01:49:03,800 --> 01:49:09,079 So we've got all the all the pattern pattern etching is all rose gold, 1323 01:49:09,119 --> 01:49:15,359 and then all the flat panels, and now there's magnolia stilk color. So 1324 01:49:15,439 --> 01:49:18,800 I did all that. Now now I'm cracking on with the hallway. I'm 1325 01:49:18,840 --> 01:49:23,520 sorry I've dragged you away from your decorating to night. Then I was all 1326 01:49:23,600 --> 01:49:26,680 right, I was I was ready for I was ready for a break for 1327 01:49:26,760 --> 01:49:31,640 the day because it's having a bad back and that myself. There's only so 1328 01:49:31,800 --> 01:49:35,800 much you can do before you need to have a break, and so it 1329 01:49:35,880 --> 01:49:41,840 was. It's good sometimes to get away from it all. And that's one 1330 01:49:41,840 --> 01:49:46,880 of the good things about paranormal investigating, because if if we get a babysitter, 1331 01:49:47,680 --> 01:49:53,439 both myself and Ellen can come away from the house. We can go 1332 01:49:53,479 --> 01:49:57,560 off out into the middle of nowhere, go to some place, do an 1333 01:49:57,600 --> 01:50:01,880 investigation, and have a really good time ourselves. Because we both are interested 1334 01:50:01,880 --> 01:50:06,000 in the subject. We both get to have a good night out and it 1335 01:50:06,000 --> 01:50:10,880 hasn't cost us anything, you know, it's just cost us. I mean, 1336 01:50:11,000 --> 01:50:15,399 Saturday night was twenty five pounds each. Now we wouldn't have got that 1337 01:50:15,560 --> 01:50:20,840 paranormal investigation for less anywhere else, that's true. So we got it cheap 1338 01:50:20,880 --> 01:50:25,600 and we had a really good time. Even if one of our team did 1339 01:50:26,000 --> 01:50:29,840 end up with a heart rate of one hundred and forty five, and we 1340 01:50:29,960 --> 01:50:38,840 had to move her out of the area pretty quickly. I think sometimes there's 1341 01:50:38,920 --> 01:50:42,560 some of the pitfalls. Yeah, some of the pitfalls are paranormal investigating. 1342 01:50:44,279 --> 01:50:47,159 Our friend does have heart problems, but she was all right up till the 1343 01:50:47,159 --> 01:50:54,239 point we got into this tunnel and then something got to us and our heart 1344 01:50:54,279 --> 01:50:57,600 rate went up, and I'm like, no, we can't have you when 1345 01:50:57,600 --> 01:50:59,600 here. If that's going to happen, you need to come out of the 1346 01:50:59,600 --> 01:51:02,840 atmosph bit, get outside and allow yourself to calm down. No, you 1347 01:51:02,880 --> 01:51:05,039 know what, somebody else going over to the other side. Why you're there? 1348 01:51:05,239 --> 01:51:10,800 You no, No, it was And it wasn't until afterwards that we 1349 01:51:10,960 --> 01:51:14,399 found out that the body was actually found in one of the underground tunnels. 1350 01:51:14,399 --> 01:51:17,640 We weren't too sure which one it was well, but one of those underground 1351 01:51:17,640 --> 01:51:23,479 tunnels there was a body, a charred body was found in one of the 1352 01:51:23,520 --> 01:51:27,000 tunnels, and it turned out to be someone that had been reported missing. 1353 01:51:27,279 --> 01:51:33,079 Oh dear, And the coroner's report had said that the person had died from 1354 01:51:33,279 --> 01:51:40,520 the smoke inhalation, which then led to cardiac arrest, and we wondered whether 1355 01:51:40,560 --> 01:51:45,479 it was the spirit of him putting that feeling of cardiac arrest on our teammate. 1356 01:51:45,680 --> 01:51:49,119 Hence why a heart rate went up, because as soon as she came 1357 01:51:49,159 --> 01:51:54,119 out of that area, she started to calm down a bit. And then 1358 01:51:54,319 --> 01:52:00,640 Ellen, my partner, gave her a Rose Courts bracelet and she calmed down 1359 01:52:00,680 --> 01:52:06,000 straight away. So, well, those types of things do happen, don't 1360 01:52:06,000 --> 01:52:13,279 they It does. It does. Sometimes the spirit will put onto you the 1361 01:52:13,319 --> 01:52:17,920 feelings that they had at the moment they passed. So if it was something 1362 01:52:17,920 --> 01:52:23,079 to do with asphyxiation, you'd be short of breath or your chest to tighten 1363 01:52:23,159 --> 01:52:26,199 up, and then you get the cardiac arrest side of things, so you 1364 01:52:26,199 --> 01:52:30,359 would start feeling very similar things to what they were, and it's just them 1365 01:52:30,399 --> 01:52:34,560 saying to you, look, this is how I died m and it's not 1366 01:52:34,600 --> 01:52:40,640 a nice feeling. But it's then down to somebody else to spot that trigger 1367 01:52:41,399 --> 01:52:44,119 and say you need to get out, and you need to get out fast, 1368 01:52:45,000 --> 01:52:49,399 otherwise you do get problems. And I've had people with me that have 1369 01:52:49,560 --> 01:52:56,880 passed out before simply because they were getting that feeling of how someone passed away 1370 01:52:57,720 --> 01:53:02,279 and it affected them that much that they passed out, and that Harry's readout 1371 01:53:02,319 --> 01:53:06,920 thought. We did an event there once and we went into the Napoleonic Monk 1372 01:53:08,000 --> 01:53:13,640 room, which had all the bunk beds in, and six people had to 1373 01:53:13,640 --> 01:53:17,319 be removed within five minutes because they were all feeling nauseous and want them to 1374 01:53:17,399 --> 01:53:24,000 be sick, and there were having hot flushes followed by cold flushes, and 1375 01:53:24,079 --> 01:53:27,079 I said, no, you need to come out, and then somebody else 1376 01:53:27,119 --> 01:53:29,920 should say the same thing, right, you need to come out, And 1377 01:53:30,079 --> 01:53:32,039 it was constant. In the end, six of them had to be removed 1378 01:53:32,760 --> 01:53:36,199 from that room, go back to the bunk room, have a sip of 1379 01:53:36,239 --> 01:53:41,640 water and just relax for a little bit and then carry on. And then 1380 01:53:42,000 --> 01:53:44,319 I think it was a couple of months later we went back, the same 1381 01:53:44,359 --> 01:53:50,000 thing happened again and four people had to be removed. It's interesting, So 1382 01:53:50,159 --> 01:53:55,319 it's it is a weird situation, but it's no one else to deal with 1383 01:53:55,399 --> 01:53:58,840 it once it happens. Yeah, yeah, I don't remember think lot, 1384 01:53:58,920 --> 01:54:02,960 and it happen a lot that when I was there. You know, as 1385 01:54:03,000 --> 01:54:06,840 I say, I suppose it depends on the team, doesn't it. It 1386 01:54:06,960 --> 01:54:12,520 depends on the team and who's there, because I know a few years back 1387 01:54:12,800 --> 01:54:16,119 someone mentioned the term that I had never heard of before, and they called 1388 01:54:16,159 --> 01:54:24,520 them blockers m M. And these are people that are sort of dead set 1389 01:54:24,560 --> 01:54:33,600 against everything parmenormal and will literally deny anything that's there. And apparently the spirit 1390 01:54:33,640 --> 01:54:36,720 would go, this person's here, I don't lie, that person's I'm not 1391 01:54:36,800 --> 01:54:41,479 doing anything, and they won't do anything at all. There will be no 1392 01:54:41,640 --> 01:54:46,239 spiritual activity whatsoever because of that one person. So that person gets called a 1393 01:54:46,319 --> 01:54:51,560 blocker. And again you have to find out if which person is the blocker, 1394 01:54:51,880 --> 01:54:57,640 who's the one that's stopping spirit energy coming through and doing something? And 1395 01:54:57,680 --> 01:55:01,880 it even the blocker for themselves might not necessarily know they're the ones that are 1396 01:55:01,880 --> 01:55:05,560 doing it, and it could because they have a piece of rose courts on 1397 01:55:05,640 --> 01:55:12,520 them, which means they're protected. And again I don't like it when groups 1398 01:55:12,560 --> 01:55:16,119 do and we do a spell of protection. Well, the way I see 1399 01:55:16,159 --> 01:55:20,479 it, why a spell of protection? If you want something to happen, 1400 01:55:21,079 --> 01:55:26,119 the last thing you want to be is to be protected from the spirit world 1401 01:55:27,319 --> 01:55:30,720 because they're not going to do anything to you if you protect yourself, so 1402 01:55:30,760 --> 01:55:34,279 you're likely then to go into a location after having the spell of protection, 1403 01:55:34,399 --> 01:55:38,640 and you sit there and for three quarters of an hour to an hour if 1404 01:55:38,680 --> 01:55:43,640 we sitting there twiddling your thumbs, going why am I here? It's cold, 1405 01:55:43,960 --> 01:55:47,319 it's where and nothing is happening, and you start to build down over 1406 01:55:47,359 --> 01:55:55,199 it. Yet the second you come away from without knowing the person that's blocking 1407 01:55:55,239 --> 01:55:58,720 the spirit energy. Say, a lot of teams do a free time, 1408 01:55:58,960 --> 01:56:00,479 so they got like an hour and hour and a half where you can go 1409 01:56:00,520 --> 01:56:04,600 wherever you're like. So you've then walked away from this person that's the blocker, 1410 01:56:05,279 --> 01:56:09,800 then all of a sudden, all hell breaks loose. You know, 1411 01:56:09,840 --> 01:56:13,359 you've got knocks, you've got bangs, your things being moved, and you're 1412 01:56:13,439 --> 01:56:16,439 sitting there go wow, that's amazing. And they end up walking away going 1413 01:56:16,600 --> 01:56:20,399 well, the first part of the night was a bit naf because nothing happened. 1414 01:56:20,680 --> 01:56:27,239 But the second I went away with my three people, we had this 1415 01:56:27,279 --> 01:56:30,880 happened and we had that happened, and it's all because this supposed locker is 1416 01:56:30,920 --> 01:56:35,600 there has protected everybody else or they've had the spell of protection and me, 1417 01:56:36,199 --> 01:56:39,960 I'm just like, no, thanks, I don't want it. Where do 1418 01:56:40,039 --> 01:56:43,520 I go When I've said this to teams. When they said that, they 1419 01:56:43,600 --> 01:56:46,239 stood there and said, we're going to do a speller protection now, and 1420 01:56:46,279 --> 01:56:49,319 they go, what about those that don't want it? And they go, 1421 01:56:49,359 --> 01:56:51,720 well, if you stand out in the building. I did this once at 1422 01:56:51,760 --> 01:56:58,399 calvilen Atch. I got ridiculed because they said we're going to do a speller 1423 01:56:58,399 --> 01:57:01,199 protection the right. I go and step outside and have a quick cigarette while 1424 01:57:01,199 --> 01:57:04,880 you're doing the spell of protection. And they looked at me like a grown 1425 01:57:04,920 --> 01:57:10,439 a second dead. And I'm like, I don't want the spell of protection. 1426 01:57:11,119 --> 01:57:15,720 I've got something here if needs be, that will protect me when needed, 1427 01:57:15,680 --> 01:57:20,079 So I would rather not have your speller protection. And I then left 1428 01:57:20,159 --> 01:57:23,680 when out had a cigarette, come back and they all looked at me as 1429 01:57:23,680 --> 01:57:27,279 if I'd grown a second dead. I was the only person that walked outside. 1430 01:57:29,159 --> 01:57:35,760 And I just think it is because the paranormal field has been affected by 1431 01:57:35,760 --> 01:57:41,520 scaremongers, you know. I think a lot of these these these groups that 1432 01:57:41,560 --> 01:57:45,760 go out there will tell people on purpose that spirit can harm you if you 1433 01:57:45,840 --> 01:57:49,880 don't have the spell of protection. Well, I think people make their own 1434 01:57:49,920 --> 01:57:53,960 ideas up anyway. I mean, nobody really knows the truth, do they. 1435 01:57:54,800 --> 01:57:58,239 And that's why we do it, you know. But when you've got 1436 01:57:58,239 --> 01:58:00,880 a team turn around and going, oh, well, we'll do a speller 1437 01:58:00,920 --> 01:58:04,560 protection before we start the investigation. This will protect you from anything that may 1438 01:58:05,079 --> 01:58:11,920 affect you. And I'm like, you know, you want to experience anything, 1439 01:58:11,960 --> 01:58:15,600 but if you've got that speller protection, you're technically not going to experience 1440 01:58:15,640 --> 01:58:18,920 anything because you're protected from it. Yeah. I mean, normally you've got 1441 01:58:19,000 --> 01:58:23,239 protection from the other side anyway. But with your spirit guides, haven't you, 1442 01:58:23,439 --> 01:58:27,479 Yes, But not a lot of people you see realize that they've got 1443 01:58:27,520 --> 01:58:31,680 that spirit guide, which leaves them open. Those that know they've got a 1444 01:58:31,720 --> 01:58:36,359 spirit guide and know that they're able to communicate with it and know that it 1445 01:58:36,399 --> 01:58:41,399 will protect them when it's needed, they're fine. For those that don't know 1446 01:58:41,439 --> 01:58:45,520 it's needed, they will rely on that speller protection and then which case, 1447 01:58:45,079 --> 01:58:50,039 not much is going to happen to them because they're protected from it. Me, 1448 01:58:50,119 --> 01:58:54,199 I'd rather go in now, and I would like I love the fact 1449 01:58:54,239 --> 01:58:58,800 that mannekin dummies have been thrown at me, or I've been pushed in the 1450 01:58:58,880 --> 01:59:01,319 back, or I've been tapped on the back of the leg experience, and 1451 01:59:01,359 --> 01:59:06,079 will want where we go on these investigations something like that. But if we 1452 01:59:06,159 --> 01:59:10,359 all went around protecting ourselves, we're not going to get the evidence that we 1453 01:59:10,600 --> 01:59:15,680 so much desire. You know, you desire the evidence, so you put 1454 01:59:15,720 --> 01:59:21,279 yourself in a situation where you've got that evidence there. I'm just pigstick that 1455 01:59:21,560 --> 01:59:27,399 I did not have a video camera running when the mannekin dummy was thrown at 1456 01:59:27,439 --> 01:59:32,760 me. But I was fortunate to have a witness with me that backed me 1457 01:59:32,920 --> 01:59:38,039 up with what I was saying, and she is credible, she's you know, 1458 01:59:38,119 --> 01:59:43,359 she's not a complete lunatic. So I know for a fact that if 1459 01:59:43,399 --> 01:59:45,880 I turned around through and said, look, can you tell them what happened 1460 01:59:45,920 --> 01:59:49,680 to Harris read out for I know she'll say exactly the same thing as what 1461 01:59:50,600 --> 01:59:57,039 I've stated, and she would back me up one hundred percent. And I 1462 01:59:57,039 --> 02:00:00,079 would like to say that the three people there were video in in the cell 1463 02:00:00,119 --> 02:00:05,680 next door would pretty much agree with me that what they caught on camera wasn't 1464 02:00:05,720 --> 02:00:13,760 normal and what they heard obviously to start off with, I just think, 1465 02:00:14,520 --> 02:00:17,960 you know, it's we need I think we need to be a bit more 1466 02:00:18,920 --> 02:00:26,640 careful on how we conduct ourselves in regards to spirit because if we go around 1467 02:00:26,640 --> 02:00:32,279 protecting ourselves too much that evidence is never going to come through. That's true. 1468 02:00:31,880 --> 02:00:36,479 If spirit are like us, but in the you know, the energy 1469 02:00:36,520 --> 02:00:41,359 side of things rather than the physical, they're going to be thinking exactly the 1470 02:00:41,399 --> 02:00:46,039 same thing as us if they're intelligent, because obviously you've got your residual hauntings 1471 02:00:46,199 --> 02:00:53,479 and your intelligent hauntings. Your intelligent hauntings are just the energy version of our 1472 02:00:53,520 --> 02:00:58,640 physical so they should be able to think the same of us. So if 1473 02:00:58,680 --> 02:01:01,039 they think the same as us, surely they're going to turn around and say, 1474 02:01:01,079 --> 02:01:05,239 well, you're taking the mickey. I'm not doing nothing tonight. You're 1475 02:01:05,279 --> 02:01:11,000 standing there laughing and joking. You think this is all funny and go somewhere 1476 02:01:11,000 --> 02:01:15,520 else. They're not going to stay in that area. They will deliberately keep 1477 02:01:15,560 --> 02:01:20,520 out of the way or won't do anything because they're closing themselves off from it. 1478 02:01:21,840 --> 02:01:26,279 And that's why I still, even though I don't like to, I 1479 02:01:26,359 --> 02:01:30,520 still keep in touch with that spiritual size simply because I do want to experience 1480 02:01:30,560 --> 02:01:35,680 it, and having experienced stuff in the past, I can't turn around and 1481 02:01:35,720 --> 02:01:40,560 say there's no such thing as ghosts. And that's one of my biggest arguments. 1482 02:01:41,199 --> 02:01:45,920 I had it. The other day. My future mum in law said 1483 02:01:45,960 --> 02:01:50,000 that she was talking about the ghosts and the prospect of coming out on a 1484 02:01:50,000 --> 02:01:57,039 Spokanory event with myself and Ellen, and this lady jumped in and said, 1485 02:01:57,039 --> 02:02:00,399 Oh, you shouldn't mess around, mess around with all that sort of stuff. 1486 02:02:00,439 --> 02:02:04,239 God won't like it, and there's no such thing as ghosts. And 1487 02:02:04,279 --> 02:02:09,840 I'm like, that is a big mistake. I personally think that is a 1488 02:02:09,840 --> 02:02:14,920 big mistake for someone to turn around and say they believe in God that they 1489 02:02:15,000 --> 02:02:19,760 don't believe in ghosts. Yeah, because you can believe in ghosts but not 1490 02:02:19,880 --> 02:02:25,319 in God. But you can't do it the other way round. You can't 1491 02:02:25,359 --> 02:02:30,520 believe in God and not in ghosts, simply because even all the Holy scriptures, 1492 02:02:30,560 --> 02:02:33,720 the Bible itself, Old and New Testament, it's something like three hundred 1493 02:02:33,760 --> 02:02:40,960 and sixty five times it's mentioned the holy Ghost, holy spirit or just ghost 1494 02:02:41,000 --> 02:02:45,560 or spirit. Absolutely. Yeah, the Shining Ones. Yeah, and it 1495 02:02:45,680 --> 02:02:49,279 mentioned UFOs as well, quite a lot mentions UFOs. The Shining Ones are 1496 02:02:49,319 --> 02:02:56,640 the annarchy, and they're mentioned in the Bible. And we know the annarchy 1497 02:02:56,880 --> 02:03:04,840 are before any that we have, So that then starts a whole new ballgame. 1498 02:03:04,920 --> 02:03:09,560 So to turn around and say they don't believe in ghosts, but they 1499 02:03:09,600 --> 02:03:15,159 believe in God makes them hypocrites. And I love the argument when they say 1500 02:03:15,159 --> 02:03:17,840 that, because as soon as I turn in and say, you can't believe 1501 02:03:17,920 --> 02:03:21,880 in God, are not in ghosts? But you can on the other way 1502 02:03:21,920 --> 02:03:28,800 around, And you watch the cogs start turning. They spend ages thinking about 1503 02:03:28,800 --> 02:03:31,279 what I just said, and it confuses them. They don't understand it. 1504 02:03:33,399 --> 02:03:39,239 And I think a lot of it is because of the way we're conditioned. 1505 02:03:40,279 --> 02:03:43,720 You know, the second we start going to school, we're pushed down a 1506 02:03:43,720 --> 02:03:47,960 certain path. And we've I've noticed it with my children's schools. You know, 1507 02:03:48,039 --> 02:03:50,720 they stand there and they go, right, well, God this, 1508 02:03:51,000 --> 02:03:58,319 and God that, all of this, and Christiana that, and my youngest 1509 02:03:58,359 --> 02:04:02,239 daughter, Tamazin's come back and she's about believing in God. And I went, 1510 02:04:02,800 --> 02:04:08,920 where did you hear about God? From to in school? And I 1511 02:04:08,920 --> 02:04:11,319 said to the school to teacher you about God? Now? Are they? 1512 02:04:12,279 --> 02:04:15,119 Yeah? I said, well what about Allah? What about Krishna? What 1513 02:04:15,199 --> 02:04:21,640 about Buddha and all these other deities? And it is true when we look 1514 02:04:21,680 --> 02:04:27,399 at religion, we all keep pointing the finger at a god. But why 1515 02:04:27,399 --> 02:04:30,119 they don't realize is that before a god, there was a myriad of god's. 1516 02:04:31,600 --> 02:04:35,479 There was loads of gods that were worshiped. And then you go right 1517 02:04:35,520 --> 02:04:41,439 back even before then with the Sameriantact, you've got the Annarchy, which were 1518 02:04:41,479 --> 02:04:46,039 the true gods as far as that's concerned, and that's your myriad of gods. 1519 02:04:47,119 --> 02:04:54,359 So you know, it's the education that the schools are pushing out onto 1520 02:04:54,479 --> 02:05:00,119 children that closes the mind of so that when you get into adulthood you're what 1521 02:05:00,199 --> 02:05:03,560 as susceptible to spirit as what you would have been had the school not gone 1522 02:05:03,640 --> 02:05:08,119 down that religious route. Sure, and then you just want to reridicule it. 1523 02:05:09,239 --> 02:05:14,840 Yeah, mm hm, I find it. I find it a bit 1524 02:05:14,920 --> 02:05:21,600 upsetting when they when when religion gets pushed out there to an extent where it's 1525 02:05:23,720 --> 02:05:29,119 not so obvious, but it's it's it is literally brainwashing them. Mm hmm. 1526 02:05:29,600 --> 02:05:33,319 Well, you know, push them down that road that way you you 1527 02:05:33,520 --> 02:05:38,800 fill in line with everything we want you to do. Yeah, we are 1528 02:05:38,840 --> 02:05:42,479 another brick in the wall that the ld Pink Floyd song are you Yeah exactly, 1529 02:05:42,840 --> 02:05:47,359 it's like rushy se tournament and saying right, it's got to stay at 1530 02:05:47,399 --> 02:05:53,560 school. Tiller rating. Now my son Athan doesn't know what to do with 1531 02:05:53,640 --> 02:05:59,439 himself even year ten. Now head into year eleven and then we get an 1532 02:05:59,439 --> 02:06:02,399 emails a do you want to go down to the institute for a test today 1533 02:06:02,920 --> 02:06:08,159 just to familiar as I familiarize yourself with the place. And he's like, 1534 02:06:08,319 --> 02:06:13,239 no, m well you do realize when you leave that school you've got to 1535 02:06:13,279 --> 02:06:15,960 go somewhere like that for another two years. And he doesn't like it, 1536 02:06:17,479 --> 02:06:23,039 but I can't stop him. I have to make him go into either further 1537 02:06:23,159 --> 02:06:29,359 education or an apprenticeship. And being an autistic how is he going to cope 1538 02:06:29,359 --> 02:06:33,279 with that? Mm hmm. Yeah. So I'd said to him, Mark, 1539 02:06:33,359 --> 02:06:39,520 I'll get you to do an apprenticeship with me. He can become a 1540 02:06:39,520 --> 02:06:45,399 paranormal investigator and do do an apprenticeship. That's great idea. Well, I 1541 02:06:45,399 --> 02:06:50,279 think they've got to be government approved, so I don't know. I have 1542 02:06:50,359 --> 02:06:56,119 to look into it anyway, Wait on that. On that note, it's 1543 02:06:56,159 --> 02:07:00,000 been fantastic only on the show. It's been the hope to see you again 1544 02:07:00,079 --> 02:07:03,479 soon? Definitely, definitely. I mean obviously we reckon June, don't we, 1545 02:07:03,600 --> 02:07:09,279 So yeah, yes, definitely maybe before you never know, we might 1546 02:07:09,359 --> 02:07:12,800 end up with another just to go tour again. Yeah, it's a shame. 1547 02:07:12,800 --> 02:07:15,399 While she'll be missing your talk. But that's at the East Anglia Paranormal 1548 02:07:15,800 --> 02:07:20,079 UFO and Paranormal Group at South End. That's on the twenty fourth of made 1549 02:07:20,359 --> 02:07:25,600 the day off flight of the state soortunely. But anyone listening to this you 1550 02:07:25,640 --> 02:07:30,560 can catch Wayne there. Definitely very fair group and you can take a few 1551 02:07:30,560 --> 02:07:34,720 of your books there Wayne, and you'll probably I'll be taking a little supply 1552 02:07:34,760 --> 02:07:39,880 of books down with me which I'll sign for people if they want to to 1553 02:07:39,960 --> 02:07:44,359 buy any well, there is them moning. Thank you very much for coming 1554 02:07:44,399 --> 02:07:46,279 on the show. It's been great talking to you, no problem. Take 1555 02:07:46,279 --> 02:07:49,960 care of yourself, look after, enjoy your time in America. Thank you, 1556 02:07:50,039 --> 02:07:55,880 right best wish you to Yeah, thank you. Yeah, there we 1557 02:07:55,920 --> 02:07:59,920 are. That's Wayne Seedon. Thank you Wayne. See you in so Okay 1558 02:08:00,199 --> 02:08:05,439 Rights next week. There's another show which is a normal scheduled date show which 1559 02:08:05,479 --> 02:08:07,640 should have been on this week, but as I'm trying to catch up when 1560 02:08:07,640 --> 02:08:11,159 we're running behind, it's on next week now, you said this week, 1561 02:08:11,279 --> 02:08:15,880 so I'll be keeping up with it all and my guest will be Nando Disario. 1562 02:08:16,840 --> 02:08:20,319 Nando has his own podcast and he does paranormal investigations. I'm looking forward 1563 02:08:20,359 --> 02:08:24,439 to putting that show out for you, but of course there's always in between 1564 02:08:24,439 --> 02:08:26,720 now and then. If you'd like to get in touch with me at anytime, 1565 02:08:26,960 --> 02:08:31,840 my email address is David Young two QN at yahoo dot co dot uk. 1566 02:08:33,840 --> 02:08:37,760 That's David Young two q in at Yahoo dot co dot UK. So 1567 02:08:37,800 --> 02:08:41,199 there we are. The next show which will go out on Monday the sixth 1568 02:08:41,199 --> 02:08:46,000 of May, and that's Nando Disario. So I hope you'll joined me for 1569 02:08:46,079 --> 02:08:50,880 that one. That's May the six Nando Disario. So until then, I 1570 02:08:50,920 --> 02:08:52,840 wish you're will and I will speak to you then, So take care of 1571 02:08:52,840 --> 02:08:56,159 everyone, Thank you for joining me. Bye bye, ladies and gentlemen, 1572 02:08:56,560 --> 02:09:01,960 I can not too strongly stressed and assassainly, do not allow yourselves to be 1573 02:09:03,000 --> 02:10:05,000 emotionally disturbed by those messages. Spooky Paranormal Dimensions is fortnightly on Mondays on the 1574 02:10:05,000 --> 02:10:07,119 Paranormal UK Radio Network