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Welcome to the show. This is show number two hundred and one. If
you've missed show number two hundred which was last week with Maria Weekly, then
I hope you'll catch up with it. It's still available and always will be.
Now, I did explain on that show that I'm doing a series of
catch up shows because I was a little bit ill because I had a bad
cold a couple of weeks ago. So last week's show was it you running
late? This particular show was meant to have been on last week, so
now it's on this week and it's a special. It's an extra show,
which I do occasionally when I'm trying to catch up with things, so I
hope you're going to enjoy it. It's actually two hours on this particular occasion,
so I hope you can stick with it. I'm sure you'll find it
very interesting. My guest is a mister Wayne Sedan. He runs Spookani Paranormal
Investigations. But just before we go into that show, i'd just like to
say thank you for the feedback on last week's show with Maria Weekley. It
seems to have gone down very well and people have been saying how they much
they enjoyed it, So thank you for that, and thank you for Maria
for being such a great guest as always. So with that out of the
way, i'd like to introduce Wayne Seden, this particular show's guest. So
here we go with Wayne Sedon. Hello, Wayne, welcome to the show.
Good evening, or should I call you mister Spokanory, you can call
me mister Spokani if you like. So you've got this the group. It's
a good name, Spookinry. I think you do investigations under that? Is
that correct? Yeah? I have I have two groups. I have one
Seed and Presents Spookinry, which is my my book group after my all my
books, so people can keep up to date with my progress on which books
are released being released soon and projects that I'm doing with my writing. And
I also have the Spookinry Events Limited, which is the public events side of
things, which I have in links with the online show that I host,
Truth Beyond Paranormal. So all of my team that are with me on Spookinory
Events Limited are the same team that film for Truth Beyond Paranormal, right.
And I think it's easy to get to think where you've got the name Spookinry
from, because if you think eld Jack and Ry, I suppose you're thinking
along that line. Is that? Is that right? Yeah? It's exactly
what I was doing because all the books that I've written so far have all
been ghost stories. I thought, well, you know the word spooky,
which is my nickname anyway, and I thought, do you know what you
had Jack and Rory where children's stories were being told minor ghost stories, So
spooky Ory that fits the bill. Funny you say spooky because I used to
work on spooky, spooky gunships. But that's another story. That's yeah,
we'll talk a bit about your books as we go along. How did you
actually how did you actually get into this thing in the first place? Was
it when you were very young? Yeah, my granddad used to work down
in the shipyards in the town we live in with and Hope always had a
mariner's history. They used to build a lot of ships there. The famous,
the famous clipper of the Copillar used to be was built here and when
it was retired out of service, it was dry docked here as well,
and the actual hull of the Copillar. He's actually in one of the newest
estates in the town itself, and oddly enough, I live in the Inner
Close, named after the ship's weird But my granddad used to work down at
Cooks' Shipyard, and before well, I say before they shut down, they
would have probably stayed around a lot longer. My granddad was killed in an
accident down there, and shortly after then Cooks' Shipyard shut down, and there
were a lot of people believe that my granddad haunted the shipyard, and so
sort of eventually me and my friends plucked up the courage to go down there.
And the only plate way you could get into one particular building was there
was like a horseshoe do docking area, and you could go down the side
of a warehouse and round the back which overlooked all the mud on the river,
and then back around the other side upper ladder across the top of a
warehouse which the floor had been removed, and just left the beams going across
and in through a door into what would have been a wages room or something.
It was part of an old building and it had been all boarded up.
There was no way of getting into that house apart from the way we
went in. And we went down the stairs to the ground floor, and
as we turned left into this room, there was a little beam of light
coming through the window and shining on an old armchair. But in the armchair
we saw an arm and a wrinkly hand with a and rolled cigarette in it.
Yeah, And I'm like, oh my god, and a cigarette was
still burning, so it had only just been lit. And that was it
for us. We'd all seen it. We all said no, we're off,
and we shot back up the stairs back across this warehouse back outside.
A couple of us got muddy in the process because some went one way,
some went the other. We went back about two hours later. We could
not find any other way to get into this building. And in all honesty,
I personally think an older gentleman would not have been able to have done
what we did to get in there. But a couple of us had said
there was nothing else in that building. There was no kitchen or anything,
so there was no nowhere he could have stored anything, so he couldn't have
been living in there, but we couldn't tell how he got in, and
as a result, it sparked more of my interest because after my granddad had
died, I swore blind. I could see him, and for about six
months I kept saying to my mum, Granddad's coming and visiting me, and
she was like, no, it's because you're missed him so much. But
I could see him clearly standing at the end of my bed. It was
this black silhouette. But I knew it was him because my granddad had rather
large ears. He was a bit like Lee Marvin, right, yeah,
spitting him into Lee Marvin the actor, and he had these big ears.
So I knew it was him, and one night my mum had actually stood
outside my bedroom door and heard me having a conversation with him, and it
was a full blown conversation and how everybody was, how everybody was coping with
him passing. And the following morning, I've gone downstairs. She's in floods
of tears because I've just come downstairs after she's witnessed all of this, the
conversation, and she was shocked. She said, you were talking to your
grandad. I'm sorry, I didn't believe it. Wow. And since then,
it's always been something that's fascinated with me, is that you know we
have a physical After what I experienced, I believe there is something after it,
so I wanted to continue to look into whether there is something after the
physical dies. Sure, yeah, Well did you do you have any interesting
ghosts and stuff before that? Not really, because my granddad died when I
was six, So you know, when you when you're six year old,
but you're more interested in playing with toys and stuff. And shortly after my
granddad was killed, that was when I witnessed what I believe was my first
paranormal experience. So how old were you actually then? I was six when
my granddad died, and I was almost seven when I first saw him.
That's what I'm saying. Nowadays you don't keep see kids out at that sort
of age too, But I know when we were in our younger years,
we were sort of always out on the streets and that sort of age.
I mean, we had the group of friends I had were all similar to
my age and my sister's age, which were three years older, and my
mum and dad always said you could go off out, but as long as
you're back before the street lights come on, Yeah, that's mine. We
didn't have mobile phones in them days, so it wasn't just you know,
my mum's bringing I better get home, you know, it was street lights
come on, off hoe quick. But it was when I was actually by
the time we actually went down to the shipyard and started looking around, I
was about ten or eleven then, so it was a few years after I
first experienced it. But in between I would watching documentaries. I loved watching
Arthur C. Club's Worlds of Strange Powers, so that boosted my interest.
I'd read books on UFO sightings, ghost sightings and things like that, so
my interest was sort of pretty solid in that time. And then when I
was old enough to go out further afield with my friends, then we started
going further afield. But in a sense it sort of I don't know.
Some people say it twisted my mind, because I can remember when I was
about nine, maybe ten, something convinced me to write something on the outside
of my bedroom wall. So I leaned out the window and I started drawing
symbols on the wall, down the wall, just outside the window frame.
And it wasn't until earlier this year, I think it was February time that
one of the symbols actually was identical to the moon and venus, and I
hadn't noticed it before, but Venus passed in exactly the right point where you
had the crescent moon and venus within point of the points of moon, and
that that was the exact symbol I had on my wall. And weirdly enough,
those symbols have never come off that wall. They're still there today on
the side of the wall. Rain, isn't it So what did you draw
one? Was it just chalk? I'd used white paint. Well, I
used to love doing things like air fixed kits, and I've got lots of
white paint and I just literally random just started putting all these symbols on the
wall. I don't know what they meant. Thought that would come off by
now those years ago. Yeah, but it's still on there now. I
mean I had to take a photograph from my mate Mark Manley, because yeah,
it was. It was on the show actually a few shows back,
as you know. We were talking about it and he went, you're still
on there. I said, yeah, I'll send you a picture. So
I went out in the garden and took a picture of it and he went,
oh my god, and you were how old? I said, I
must have been about seven, eight, maybe nine. I can't remember offhand,
because you're seventy six now, aren't you. I feel like we read
the wrong way. That's meal. I think they've been there for what forty
years? Yeah, that's amazing. It's never come off. But like we
said, back in them days, paint was made of different things and paint
lasted, but that was never washed off. No one ever tried to paint
over it or anything because it's normal brick wall. And my dad even never
bothered to get up a ladder and try and take it off for white spirit
or anything. So they just left it on there. So you've got no
explanation as to why that was into entering your head to do these symbols.
Nope, And I look at them now and I still don't understand what they
mean. And so I saw I looked up at the sky back in I
think it was February when Venus passed past the moon, and it actually went
in line with the very first symbol that i'd drawn on the wall. Well,
and I'm like, oh my god, and I'm pointing to my partner
Ellen and said to her, look at the moon and look at where Venus
is. And she went right. I said, now look at the bedroom
wall. She looked up and she went, my god, they're in the
same place. Said yeah, but I couldn't tell you how I knew that
was going to be there. Yeah. I say, it's strange that you
actually thought you'd got to look up at that time, because I mean,
I suppose you do that every night, do you look up? So we
were just out in the garden having a cigarette, and I turned to my
left and I looked up and I saw the moon there, and I saw
the star, and then it reminded me of it and so I turned and
looked up at it, but literally the talkch on my mobile phone and pointed
it to Ellen and she's like, oh my god, they're the same.
It's in the same position. What it means, I don't know, but
it's I'm just waiting for the other symbols. Now, yeah, well you
would do so. I mean, have you have you got any clearvoyant abilities
of your own? Do you know? I mean, I know we've got.
I think we've all got a little bit, but you developed I'm I
don't want to be, but I am very I am succeptible to spirit.
Way back in two thousand and one, I think it was I moved into
my sister's house because she'd moved to Corfu, and so I offered to rent
her house because working with my parents and living with my parents was a bit
of a strain, so I offered to take on renting my sister's house while
she was away. And the moment I moved in, strange things started happening
in the house. I had things being moved from one place to the other,
and yet I was the only person. Now. I then had lodgers
move in, and the first lodger she was my third cousin, and at
the time I was working, I just started working with most haunties and I
said to them. I said to her, most Hauntings on tonight, do
you want to watch it? She went, oh, no, no,
no, I don't believe in that stuff. And out of nowhere, I
just turned around and said, will you'd be careful because there's a ghost here
called Joanne. She doesn't like that, and she went, oh, I
don't believe in ghosts. Next minute, she screams, I've gone running into
the doorways. What's the matter with you? She's stand there why as a
ghost? She's shocked? And I went, what's the matter? She pointed
to the floor and there in the middle of the floor in the kitchen,
which is about fifteen foot by fifteen foot, he's stand there pointing at the
floor, and there's this can of spaghetti sitting there upright so you can read
the words. And I went, and what's that doing on the floor?
She said, it flew out of the cupboard at me. Really yet I
opened the cupboard door. The cam flew straight at my head and hit the
wall opposite and then landed back in the middle of the floor. Wow.
Because of mister reddoo. Yeah, so I've looked at the wall and there's
a dent that sent meter deep in the wall. Yeah, the carry it's
an old it's an old terraced house, so the walls in between the houses
are quite thin. So this can had made this dent in the wall.
And I went right, So this is where we have to be scientific,
and she went, look, what do you mean? So I measured the
height from where the can was in the cupboard to the floor and then the
point where the dent was to the floor, and it was exactly seven foot
off the floor on both sides. And then the scientific mode goes in.
I'm like gravity, and what about it? I said, if that was
seven foot high in the cupboard, it's not going to be seven foot high
on the wall opposite because as it travels it drops because of gravity. She
went right. I said, so how is it still seven foot when it's
hit the wall the other side? And then he dawned on that. She
went, that can't be. That's not right. I said, the measurements
are there, And then must have been about three months later. We always
used to go down to the local Chinese takeaway and we'd order a set menu,
and we'd split it in half. One night she'd come home, she'd
brought her Chinese. I'd already eaten, so she split the meal in half,
put the second half on a plate, wrapped it in kings film,
and put a sweet and sour sauce on the top of it. I put
it in the fridge. And the following night was the same thing again,
said most aunties on tonight. Do you want to watch it? No?
You know what. I don't like this. I don't like all that stuff.
Next minute, she screams blue murder again, and I've heard this crash.
So I've gone running into the kitchen and there's this plate Chinese food on
the floor, upside down. Plate's broken. She again is standing there wires
a sheet. What's the maw? She said? I opened the fridge store
and the plate flew at me. Wow. So I said, you've upset
your am again, And I hadn't you know, I'm not really twigged that
that's what it could have been. I was just joking with her, but
the name Jeanne came out. Every time something happened. I'd go, oh,
Joanne, can you put it back please? I'd be talking to nothing,
as far as I was concerned. Never dawned on me that there was
something in there. And she turned around and she says, I just opened
the fridge door and the plate flew at me. It hit me in the
chest and then hit the floor. So I went with it openly. Wanted
to hurt you that time, but I told you, don't dis ghosts because
Johanne doesn't like it. And she was like, oh, she said,
no, that's it. She said, I've had enough, and she storms
off upstairs. I opened the fridge door and the tub of sweet and sour
sauce is still sitting on the shelf. So I called up to her.
I said, did you actually remove the sweet and sour sauce? She said
no, I didn't get a chance to. So whatever it was, which
I've always said was Joanne had picked up the tub of sweet and sour sauce,
threw the plate at her, and then put the sauce back on the
shelf. Well, she's adamant she didn't touch it. And I think two
weeks later she moved out. I've had another lodger moved in after that,
and he swore black and he saw a white mist in the doorway, and
I'd already warned him about Joanne, and he just turned around and went,
you've got the wrong room, Joanne. He's in the other room. And
this white miss just went through the door and disppeared, and it was almost
sick he was talking to her. So after that, I then turned around
and I knew of a medium nearby who an ex girlfriend's mum had been to
visit, and she was spot on with the reading that she'd been given.
So I gave this lady a call. She didn't want any details. She
said, I will get us into Colchester, tell me where you want to
meet me and we'll go to your house. So she got off at East
Gates in Colchester. I met her there. I reimbursed her for a busphare
walked in through the back door and the first thing she said was Joanne,
and I'm like really, She went yeah, she said, that's the spirit
you've got here. By the times she had finished, which was about half
an hour, it turned out that I'm supposedly this Joanne's dead husband. According
to her, I joined the British Expeditionary Force in my previous life and I
was killed in the evacuation of Dunkirk. She died a year later, and
her parents lived two doors down. And when I checked at Chelmsford on the
registers, excuse me, it turned out that her and her husband, Michael
lived at that house until he joined the British Expeditionary Force. He died in
action. She died a year later, and her parents lived two doors down.
I went down to the house and I knocked on the door, and
I very superously asked him if they had any strange things going on in their
house, and they went, yeah, every now and then. Okay,
thank you very much. And I got back home and I sat there rubbing
my head, going my dad. This lady was right all along that everything
she'd come out with was spot on, and I meant to I think it
was about there must have been a couple of years ago. I was going
to try and get in contact with her again to see whether my abilities had
strengthened any and it turned out she passed away. So I was like,
well, you know, I'm just going to let I think I'll leave it.
But I've been more, I've got more and more in tune with it
that I really would like to be. I can walk into places and I
know straight away if there's something now, and I'm quite in tune with using
dowsing rods. Nine times out of ten, if I start using dowsing rods,
I get communications straight away rather than not. But I've had to use
Joanne a couple of times when things have got really bad. We were filming
down at Kelvidon Hatch nuclear bunker and we'd picked up on this nurse who was
quite nasty and she was responsible for a lot of wrongdoing in the place.
And when we were all in the medical center, we could smell TCP.
It was everywhere, and Ellen started to get affected. It was pushing down
on her shoulder and it was starting to her and in the end, I'm
I can't have this. Enough's enough, and I just called out. I
said, Joanne, can you please come in here and get rid of this
energy? We don't want it. And within five seconds the smell of TCP
had disappeared. Ellen's shoulder raised up again and she was like flexing her armgoing,
that's gone. Whatever it was, it's gone, We said, were
so it was the TCP. There was nine of us in that room at
the time, and we all said the same thing. Hmm. Strange I
liked. I like to think that I've I've got Joanne with me, she
tells me when she's about, because I can feel the back right hand side
of my head starts to hurt a little bit, like I've got a headache,
and then as soon as I acknowledge that I know she's there, it
goes mm hmm. And do you feel, yeah, do you feel that
she might be your spiritual spirit guide or one of them? I think so
because of because of obviously the connection between my in my past life and her,
because she was which is your you must be Michael. In my previous
life, I was Michael, and I died in Dunkirk, and according to
the lady she she'd said that Joanne had been at that house waiting for me
to return home. And since then, every time we've moved, Johanne has
come with me, obviously because of that link. And another thing that did
sort of ring sort of more true to me was the fact that I love
anything to do with World War Two, specifically from the day onwards. And
I think to myself, is this where the time gap has gone? Because
obviously he died in the evacuation of Dunkirk and then we returned back to that
area for D Day, and it's like me reliving what should have been the
rest of his future. Yeah, and it was just so bizarre anything to
do with World War two, including computer games. I'm not seeing the rest
of the war through and in coming home afterwards. Top Yes, yep,
exactly. And now as a result, she's with me all the time and
still now, I mean, we're in the third house since I first met
her, and things still get moved, moved. She likes, she likes
playing about the kids. She likes moving Freddie's my youngest son, Freddy.
She likes moving his dummies. We're pretty we're pretty strict with his dummies.
We've got that five and we always put them back in the drawer when he's
finished with them. But then when we open the drawer again, maybe a
half hour two hours later, one or two of them that have gone,
and we'd find them somewhere else, even if Freddy is in bed asleep,
and we like, so okay, so who's moving the dummies? Then?
Mm hmm. I mean, cent, how did the name Joanne first enter
your head? Did it just enter as a voice or or something. It
was almost written, It was almost It was almost like I could see the
name written out in front of my face, and yet I don't know anybody
called Chohanne apart from like Facebook friends and things like that, which obviously at
the time I wasn't on Facebook. The Facebook, I think was very in
its very early building days. I mean, there's not really a very common
name, is it to be nice? And it was almost as if it
was almost as if it was written in front of my eyes. And I've
only ever experienced something like that once since, and that was a couple of
weeks ago at the stret of Old Engine in Ealy, and that was when
I had a full face literally walk up some stairs right in front of my
face and then just disappear. That's only the second time something like that's happened,
but the first time was with literally just standard just looking normal, and
the name and the letters Joanne appeared right in front of me, and that
told me that was who was there, So obviously that was another spirit was
it that you bumped into? Unfortunately, yes, he wasn't happy person.
A couple of weeks ago, I was invited to stret an old engine in
Italy, which was an old pumping station and it used to pump water from
one can out into another when they needed the water, and it was run
by steam power. So this place had the three boilers set up to produce
the steam, which would then power the wheel which was in another room,
which then obviously activated the pump. He's now turned over to diesel, but
we were given permission to go in there and investigate. And myself and one
of the volunteers at the place were up on the very top floor, and
I had a rempod which was custom built for me by a police standby and
can't remember what his name is on eBay, but he makes rempods, and
he made a little skull for me, and he said it over from America,
and I've used it every investigation I've been on skins because it has come
up with so many outstanding results. So I placed this skull on the windowsill
right in front of the staircase. And we'd finished a vigil, and as
we were walking towards the staircase, i'd literally taken two steps down, and
this face literally came up the stairs and right in front of my face,
and I went, oh my god, and took two steps back, and
luckily the volunteer that was with me. He caught me, otherwise I'd have
fallen flat my backside. I've then got downstairs as quick as possible. I
got to this piece of paper that we've got on a counter and I started
drawing, and I've got Keith Simpson from Paracom was there, and I had
to push past him to get to this paper, and he's going way me.
You're right, you are right? Said yeah, I'm fine. I
need to get this this drawn, and he's going and what do you see?
What you see? And I literally scribbled his face onto the piece of
paper and he went, who's that? And I just wrote John underneath and
he went, what was that all about? I said? He literally got
right up in my face upstairs. I said, I thought it was you
until I noticed the beard. And it was a literally full sight, normal
size face. He had a white beard down to his chest. But what
made him stand out more than most people were beards was his beard was pure
white except for a black line in the middle of his lips and right down
the beard. And I'm like, oh wow. And he'd got a pipe
and a flat cap and his name was John. And I spoke to the
volunteer, and he said, well, I will have a look and see
if any of the archives have got anybody of that description, but only goes
back so far. Apparently a couple of days later, he'd actually spoken to
one of the people that administrate the place and they said that the actual the
archives that they've gotten don't go back far enough, but they think there was
a guy there with a white beard that used to be the foreman, but
they don't know what his name was. He's only in a couple of the
pictures that've got in the archives. And I'm like, wow, but well
you've told them now, is John? Yeah. I mean the thing is
is that I don't like to be that open minded that I pick these things
up because I would rather look at the scientific side of things. Yeah,
And it becomes a bit of a confliction of interests. I don't know which
one side to go for. I'd like to go with the scientific side,
because I'd like to test the perimeters or of what goes on within the paranormal.
But then on the other side of the kind, I do believe in
ghosts, so therefore I should allow the spiritual side of me to look at
those answers as well. Yeah, sure, absolutely, And it becomes it
becomes a bit annoying because I'm sitting there, well, you know, do
I go with this side of things? Do I go with that side Cushier's
characters within yourself sort of? Yeah. Well, when you experience something that
you can't explain, I mean I cannot understand or explain how this guy's face
and it was just his face appeared right in front of me at that very
moment. Scientifically could not answer it. So for that moment, I had
to rely on my ability to be able to pick up on spirit and get
downstairs the script as possible and draw this person's face. And I ended up
taking a picture of it because I'm like, I'm going to have to remember
this one. Because that that and Harridge read out for experience is they're probably
the two most shocking experiences I've had. HM. The other one, the
Harridge read out for was enough to turn an investigator away from being in a
paranormal Investigators have had an investigation there. It's a pretty creepy place, isn't
it. It's a good place, but when you get a mannequin dummy thrown
at you fifteen foot across the room. Yeah, well I've only got a
couple of bakings there there, so one of the flu at you well really,
yeah, we were. We were in the prison cells in rriage read
out and me and another investigator, Claire, we were in one of the
second cell. I was standing in the doorway and Claire was to left of
me in one corner, sitting down on a chair, and the opposite side
of the room from me was a bed, and in that corner was a
mannequin dummy dressed in the German pilot's outfit, and I nicknamed him Plaus.
I do like that, obviously, I don't think he did. But we'd
set up a trigger object on the bed, and that was like a little
boxing ring with a red light in each corner, and you put a ball
in the middle and set the alarm. And then obviously the idea was that
we would call out to spirit and ask it, if it was there present
with us, could it move the ball. Then the alarm would go off
and we would have the answer. But of course I not much was happening.
These red lights were flashing away, so all we got was this red
link and it would illuminate the sell and I just said to Claire, I
said, there's not much energy here. Something's here, but it's hiding out
the way. And I then turned around and went clow to you here with
us, and I said in German, that's it's put. That didn't go
down too well because it just went completely flat for about two or three minutes.
And then man, she said, waiting, she said, every time
those lights are flashing, mannekin's moving and I'm looking at it and I'm like,
it's leaning away from me against the bed and the wall, and I'm
looking at it and I'm going, no, it's not moving, but i
can feel the energy building. As I said, you can begin to imasure
things, can't you. Sometimes in the especially especially the low light. In
low light your eyes, it's like peripheral vision when you see something out the
corner of your eye. Because you're not physically looking in that direction, there's
blank spots, and so your brain makes up the difference. It fills in
the blank. And so that's why a lot of people say, well,
I saw it out the corner of my eye. That's because their mind is
filling in the blanks. And it's the same with low light vision. You
look in there and it's that and plaridolia. You look at things and you
go, oh, is that moving? Is that doing this? What's that
in the corner? And you make things out something that's not really there.
So of course I'm like, nah, it's not moving, I said,
but something's going to happen. It's something's building, the energy's building. And
as I said that, it's mannequin left the floor literally and came straight at
me, and I went, oh Jesus, and I've grabbed it. I've
grabbed the hold of this mannequin by the shoulders and its head's fallen off.
Said but me in the process, Poor Claire, she's got up out of
her chair. He's got out on my ear for this a bottom. She
was gone. She shot past me and left the cell block. And I'm
standing there trying to keep the head from rolling away, trying to put the
mannekin back in the corner again. I'm going, some are going to help
me, And luckily there was three other investigators in the third cell and they
were doing a thousand rods and they were filming what they were doing, and
one of the investigators says, if there any spirits in this block, can
you please come forward. Can you cross the rods over? And as the
rods crossover you here there, clear go, I'm not here for thee.
The camera down the corridor and you see her just going out of the block
and this little white light comes out of the cell and follows her out into
the courtyard. Wow. Really. I then found out, I think it
was a year and a half later, when I investigated at Rochford Hall,
that she'd quit the paranormal altogether, that experience. Scared of that much,
she wouldn't do it anymore. That's that's mad, though, because I mean,
why are you in the paranor when you're in the field class, that's
what you're there for. I could not stop laughing for the whole event.
I was laughing my head off because I was so overjoyed with the fact that
for all these years I've wanted something to happen, and we've seen or heard
things that really you could say scientifically answered, never come across anything that I
couldn't explain. But that got me and I was just dumbfounded by it.
But it made me laugh. Whether it's the fight or flight response, I
don't know, but I just could not stop laughing. It sounds funny after
I mean, nobody, you don't. You don't expect a mannequindom it to
come flying fifteen foot across the room, you know. But I found out
from the owners of parage read out for that it happened on a regular basis.
The mannequins move and after that particular incident, they had tied the mannech
into the wall with wire that actually put an eyelet screw into the wall and
actually tied the mannequ into the wall with cable so that it couldn't just go
off on the loose. So apparently it's happened before. Sounds crazy, don't,
just a little bit. But that's the good thing because obviously, as
a paranormal investigator, what you want to do is you need to get that
evidence. But if you're on your own, it's your word against everybody else's,
and that's where ridicule comes into play. But the more people that experience
that same event, the harder it is to disprove what they've witnessed. Yeah.
Absolutely, it's the same with UFO siding. The more people that actually
witnessed that one UFO sighting, the more credible it becomes. Mhm. Yeah,
yeah, I know you. I mean, I know I knew you'd
been Most Haunted before because you told me. But your your time on Most
Haunted? What happened there? Was anything that sort of interesting happened on those
And what what are your opinions of the team? Top of two. Normally
I don't talk about Most Haunted, but my opinion changed very quickly, and
it was more the attitude that some of the staff had towards the fans that
made the show popular, the way they talk to people behind their backs,
and I don't like that sort of thing. A lot of egos. It's
a lot of O, well, I'm better than you, and I'm not.
I don't do it for that, you know. I'm not into the
paranormal for fame and tune or egos and the way I saw people being talked
about and their attitude towards some people and including some of the some of the
things that were said to me. We were down at Athorhampton House, I'd
driven five and a half hours down there, and we got into the investigation
and everybody else had got there. I'd seen something I weren't too happy about,
which I won't mention on any any interview, but needless to say,
it was quite con it would have been would be quite controversial if it was
made public. Well, I weren't too happy with certain things. And we
were investigating in the billiard room and Stuart to Vera and a couple of guests
had gone off into a side room like a study, and me and Colby
and of the other guests were in the billiard room, but we could hear
Stuart and his guys calling out. So carl turned around to me and he
said, can you go and ask Stuart if they can sort of lower the
noise a bit? So, yeah, no problem, So I've gone around
now open. I was just gently tapped on the door, opened the door
and said, Carlos said, can you keep the noise down a bit?
Stuart told me to wear off and I'm like, na, you don't talk
to me like that. And it was shortly after that, I mean it
was you know, it was horrible because they begged me to go down there
and help out with the event. Because I was working on the most Haunted
Experience South. So I was doing most of the events in the Sound of
Southern areas and even ran a few of them myself with Fred Batt, and
to be talked to like that was quite disrespectful, and I wasn't happy about
the fact that I'd spent five hours getting down there, was told I couldn't
have a hotel room, that somebody who lived in South End had got a
hotel room that was going to be there, a member of the team who
then got kicked out because he was being an idiot. But he'd got a
hotel room for the night. It was a twin room, so there was
no reason why I couldn't have stayed there. And in the end I just
turned around and said no, I'm sorry. I said, but it's my
partner's birthday and we've got a party tomorrow night, so I'm just going to
drive straight home. So literally, when the event finished, I got back
in the car and I drove straight home again. And it was horrible because
I was doing a day trip because I used to drive coaches and I was
doing a day trip down to Novelodroma Stratford, and I was talking to Fred
Batt and he turned around and he said he'd had enough. He was thinking
he was going to go abroad or something and just continue with his life.
There. I might say, well, I'm sorry, but I've had enough.
I'm leaving altogether. So I literally just walked away. And it was
probably the best decision I've ever made because it was shortly from there. I
think it was three months afterwards that Samantha Beck, who owns Portrait ex Productions,
approached me and asked me to present their show Truth Beyond Paranormal, And
five years later we're still doing it. That's good. So but I mean,
at the end of the day, I think Most Haunted have helped me
sort of understand social media a lot more, which has helped me do what
I'm doing now. People will take me, Oh, I was Most Haunting
is what gets most people into paranormal investigating, and I'm like, it didn't
me way back. Yeah, but I think it does. I think he
did because I mean the obviously we've we've got all these ghost hunting programs now,
especially the US ones and everything, and I don't think all those would
exist if it wasn't for most all did in the first place, you know,
I mean I argue it. I argue it because I always refer to
ghost Watch on BBC. Yeah, there was that one, that one that
was one off, that was the one off that the BBC did which caused
so much controversy. And I always remember the monk in the bedroom. M
M. They planned across the bedroom and you see the shadow of the monk
standing in the monkster curtains and then when they pan back, he's gone,
and WHOA, that's pretty cool. We like that. And then obviously it
went a bit over the top and they sort of hurricane winds coming in and
everything. But that sort of for me, the way I see it is
that triggered and interesting. I mean, that's that's probably where most hot started
from. Really. They probably saw that and thought, well, this is
a good idea, BBC. And at that time, Ivet and Carl were
doing that hospital program, so it could have been that the idea has been
generated from seeing that working for the same TV company and they've gone, you
know what, we could make a series out of this, and they've taken
it from there, and that then just boosts the idea let's go out and
do a paranormal investigation. And so the teams then start appearing, and now
there are more teams than you can take a stick out there. But I
mean, I still like the most talks I've got to say. I think
if you're take them for the entertainment value and also for the interest of the
locations they go to and a little bit of history behind the that's what that's
what I like them for. Really, Yeah, I mean the history of
the locations I always enjoyed. I just you know, towards the later days,
you could tell it was for entertainment purposes, and it got quite comical,
like the Scooby Doo seen when You've got Fred. You've got Fred and
the other guy down in the cellars and they're running backwards and forwards. Fred's
edge chant and he's out of his book, and the other guy's running backwards
and forwards, and it was like that Scooby Doo scene when they go in
and out of one door and come out of another. And seriously, you
know, there's nothing wrong. We're sitting in a dark cellar and just filming.
You ain't got to move about, you haven't got to start calling up
or some of the nasty spirits or anything like that. Just call out as
normal and what you get is what you get. Yeah, I think the
thing is because that was a TV show. The TV company want results,
don't they Otherwise they was just pulled the plug and oh this is we're not
going anywhere with this, and they'll just pull it out and I think I
think they get caught in the trap of you've got to make results and make
something interesting for the audiences. Yeah, because it's there's a lot of money
involved. I mean, over here we've British. The British TV system,
you don't get paid until you submit a series, whereas in America they get
paid in advance. So the likes of Ghost Hunters and Zach Began's, the
likes of the Travel Company or ABC will turn around and say, we'll give
you one million dollars out front. Yeah, they give you the money up
front, and that provides them with the ability to go to these locations.
Yeah, you can't do that here, and we don't we truth beyond paranormal.
It's all self funded. So our director say, will contact the locations
and say we would like to do a paranormal investigation. We'd like to film
it for our series, and she'll explain everything. They will turn around and
say it will be X amount. Our director then tells us how much it's
going to cost, and we just put the money in each on the night
to do that investigation and that's how we've always done it. And what we
don't do is we don't ask people to support us by giving donations or sending
stars or doing stuff like that because we feel that what we do, because
we don't have the disclaimer that it's entertainment purposes, only what we're doing is
it's a paranormal investigation. And where we have reception on mobile phones, we
will also do live feeds at the same time. Yeah, so the majority
of the time people can actually watch us filming live for the six hours that
we're going to be there for. It's only in extreme circumstances when we're recording
in a tunnel like we were on Saturday, where you've got no reception,
you can't do a live feed. So you know, it made a big
difference to do that. And like I said, five seasons later we've we
filmed on Saturday night up here in Harriage again, and then next month we're
North London I think now Watford, an old warehouse that was an ammunitions factory
m hm. So it's you know, and I say, it's all self
funded. So we've got nothing to prove because we don't turn around the people
and say fund us and we'll provide this episode. Yeah, well you and
I. You and I did a little visit to Cultures to Castle, which
is in your town. Yes, now they're Cultures to Castle. I believe
it's got quite a few ghosts and the definitely as I understand it. Yes,
I've investigated there seven times now, and every time I've investigate there's something
different that's happened. Each time I've heard the two cavaliers walking to the back
of the castle, and it was confirmed that yes, two cavaliers had been
seen, and they walk along the wall that would be a chastened to the
main door, but it's upstairs and they literally walk out the back. They
walk down across the castle and out the back wall, and we heard these
footsteps walking across the back and they'd gone down. But then there was nobody
there. We couldn't see anybody come down the stairs, which was the only
way you would see them would be once they'd got down to that boot area.
It's down the stairs and up the other side. They just completely vanished
and we're like, okay, so was that the cavaliers. One time I
was down there, we were in the vaults underneath, and we had one
guy standing in one of the tunnels at the far end. He was looking
into the section where there's some gravestones, and one of the guests had said,
oh, I've got a cold spot near me. So I've walked over
and I've got my laser thermometer and I'm pointing it about no significant temperature drop
or increase. And as I turned, I looked at this guy's name was
Terry. I said, Terry, there's someone standing with you. He went
no, And this lady then turned around and what there is There's someone standing
in front of You can see his legs, and when I looked harder,
I could see the straps going down the shins. That to me, he
said Roman, because of the Roman sandals. So I said, on Terry,
wait there, I'll be with you. And as I said that and
walked over to him, these legs turned and moved further into that section of
the vault. So me and Terry have gone through the tunnel into the other
section of the vault. We followed it into this little corridor and it led
to a dead end. But there was this green light on the wall,
and at first we thought it was the security lights, because all the security
lights they have got there, the boxes have got a little green light on
them, and I said, probably the reflection from this security box. And
you you can't because it's around the corner. So unless there's mirrors up on
the wall to reflect that light, you're not going to get it on the
same side of the wall as the security box around the corner. So fair
enough. So we started asking questions, if you are here with us,
and you saw us, and you moved that green light to the left,
and it moved to the left, then it moved back again, and then
we went, thank you, are you a Roman soldier? Moved to the
right, and it moved to the right, And about six questions later,
we've got it getting bigger and small all, aren't. We've got it going
in swinging motions. And then just as we were asking is that the escape
tunnel out of the castle, the CEB caretaker turned all the lights on,
said nights over everybody else, We'll like just as we're getting somewhere, the
caretaker ruins it. It's brilliant. I mean, even in the prison cells,
the downstairs one used to be the male prison and the female prison was
the one upstairs where the chapel now is, But Matthew Hopkins used to keep
his witches in there, and so every now and then something all always happened
in either one, either the downstairs prison cells or in the chapel. I've
done a good experiment in there with table tipping. A group of people were
on the table asking Spirit to move it, and why they were asking the
questions. I'd walked to the entrance to the chapel, found a chair and
took the rubber bun off the bottom of the leg so it wobbled, and
then went checked all the other chairs. None of the others wobbled. I've
gone back, and the lady that was asking the questions. I spoke to
her said, can you ask it to take you to the wobbly chair?
So she said, Spirit, if you want to prove you're here with us,
can you move us and the table to the wobbly chair. And the
table started to spin, start turning on his own, so of course they
go man in circles. Then it started moving down the chapel. It turned
the corner went in front of these chairs, and then it span round so
that the lady that I'd asked the question was facing the chairs, and then
it pushed her into the chair and it wobbled wow, and she went,
is this the one? I said, now, check all the other chairs?
And there was about eight other chairs. They checked everything and only one
that was the one that she was put down into, and I went,
thank you very much, you've just proved the point. Yeah. Well,
I mean it's weed. It was walking towards it. We're around the castle.
Yeah. Unfortunately, on June the fifteenth, I'm actually doing a ghost
unt there with a with a team during the fifteenth I think I can't remember
what the name of the team is easy Seventh Sanctum. It could be something
like that. I could be a ticket here somewhere, but yeah, Jill
then and I are doing it, so it might be the one I'll be
coming back to because I was at the one that Seventh Sanctum and Culture to
Borough Council were doing a joint thing. That's right. Yeah, I think
so you're coming back on that one as well, are you. We should
be because I went with them on that one and that was the first of
its kind. But that one's being run by Coultures To Council and they've got
the teams in to help that's it report. And I was there with Kerry
Greenway, the other Kerry, Kerry Ann and Andy Mercer and I was asked
to help out with Andy Mercer's team, and I've got chatting and they said,
we're hoping to open up the Holly Trees Museum as well to paranormal investigations,
so we may include that as well as part of the night. And
got talking to them all about it and they said, well, we'll see
about inviting you back for the next one. So hopefully, hopefully I'll see
you. Hopefully you'll see me there, but it will be on a professional
basis of course, of course I don't know you. Yeah, it was.
It was quite interesting and it's I like to see how different people do
investigations. But the problem is with with Colds Tomorrow Council, they're not quite
it's quite there with how to do paranoral investigations. No, it's just a
maker for them, was it. Yeah, it is because I mean although
it's only thirty five pounds a ticket, when you get paranormal teams go there,
they're doing them at sixty five pound ticket plus. So but in essence
it's because the timings. They were supposed to be finishing at eleven o'clock,
and we managed to push it till twelve. And normally most paranormal investigations go
on to about two or three o'clock in the morning, sometimes even later.
Getting for that on board. Yeah, but they the way they'd set it
up was they were doing little workshops first, so people could look at different
methods of communication, different styles of the communication of mediums, whether you're a
Claire audience clairvoyant and so on, and then you would go out investigating.
And I thought, really, a lot of these people that have come to
the event, they're people that have been on investigations before and know all of
these things. They just want to investigate the castle because the castle isn't normally
accessible at night at that price. Yeah, that's the reason I'm going to
do it. On that one, I thought, well, this looks good.
I think I'll take advantage of that. Yeah, it's it's a good
night. It's a good night, and I'm still waiting for the phone call
for them to ask me back. Well, especially being in jude As have
been awesome warm as well. Yeah, I mean, it was oddly enough
that it was warm in there anyway. Somehow it was naturally warm in there,
especially down in the vaults. It was quite warmed down there, and
it usually is. But we had a bit of free time and we wanted
to go, me and my colleague Mick from Truth Beyond Paranormal. We wanted
to go back down into the vaults. And as we walked down there,
we discovered they closed the gate so we couldn't go down there. We were
quite gay because we wanted to get back in there and see what was in
there. But it's not a bad venue, providing it's the right price,
yes, And I think that is one of the issues at the moment is
a lot of places they're putting their prices up and they're saying it's because of
the cost of living, when really a lot of the places have put the
prices up because they know they're going to fill the spaces. Yeah. Yeah,
I'd always watch out for the price because I mean, when when you're
buying two tickets, it can get pretty expensive as well, you know.
Yeah, well you look at an average of one hundred pounds for the pair
of you. Yeah, at least. Yeah. I mean I've known venues
and this is where I sort of look at things and go, no,
I can't do that. What we do with Spokanory events, excuse me,
is that we are looking at how much it's going to cost, and nine
times out of ten they'll say, like Harry's read out for it used to
be one hundred and fifty pounds deposit for the first ten people, then every
person after that it's fifteen pound per person. So you're right, So you
sell the tickets. Then at the end on the night you turn up,
you've got the ten people that you've already paid for, and you've got ten
extra guests, so you have to then give them one hundred and fifty pounds.
So straight away we know the cost price. And then when I look
at other teams, they're advertising for the same venue and they're charging forty five
pounds a ticket, and I'm like, that's three times as much as it
costs. And I don't believe in I don't like the idea of ripping people
off. Yeah, it was profiteering. Yeah, And we always turn around
and say we'll add ten pounds, We'll add ten pounds on top of the
cost price, but we're providing food and drink as well, and we have
to have we do a fuel allowance for the team members. So we'll give
the team members the fuel allowance, the money there for the food and drink,
and then everything that's left over goes to the deposit for the next investigation.
So nobody is making any money because it's going back into the business to
provide for the next event. Yeah. Yeah, I think some teams try
to make it, actually make a living out of it, don't they.
Yeah, And I mean most of us, we've all got jobs to go
to. I haven't, but a lot of people have got job to go
to. Yeah, And I think that's why a lot of parent normal events
are always a Friday or Saturday night, simply because a lot of the team
members that work, you know, Friday and Saturday nights their days off,
and then they've got Sunday to sort of get over this paranormal hangover. For
me, I'm not bothered. I'll go out and investigating any day of the
week. Really, as long as the kids are asleep when I go out
and then they're not awake when I get back, that's fine. But yeah,
I've come across a few teams in the past that have I've thought to
myself, what the hell are you doing? You know, they were so
disorganized. One particular team that I was with last year, they were overpriced
to start off with. The place had only just opened up as a venue
for paranormal events, and everybody was all shepherd into an ammunition tunnel. There
was forty of us all standing there with cat bulls. They were flashing like
crazy. And then turn around to the bloke who runs the group and said
to him, if you told your guests about turning their mobile phones off?
Oh no, I forgot to tell them. I said, well, that's
the reason why that lady's rempod's going crazy, because you've got forty people in
here, all with mobile phones on and they're all trying to get a signal.
So the EMF meters are going to start going crazy. K two's will
go mad. Rempods will go mad because you've got forty people in this closed
room. The field's gone crazy. Yeah, as soon as you told them
to turn their phones off or put them on flight mode, it all stopped.
And I'm like, this is ridiculous. But it annoyed me because he
had forty people in this very small room and we're all standing there and it
was like a disco. It was like being in a nightclub because these animals
were flashing away. Yeah, and in the end I had to leave because
I don't mean disrespect to anybody, but it was that disorganized that when we
went for a break, the guy who owns the group, his mum was
there were two camping stones boiling kettles for everybody to have tea and coffee.
She'd taken our coffee order when we first walked into the place at the start
of the evening, and I'm thinking, I thought then she was going to
run down to Costa and buy us all coffees from there. She was there
half an hour. It took to boil all this water so people could have
to e and coffee. And in the end I just said, you know,
I'm sorry, I'm going to have to go. I've just been told
my kids are kicking off at home. And I went off up to berry
sneedmands and I investigated rough from control tower insteady And of course it's all that
horrible, cheap, nasty coffee as well as Yeah, it's usually Tesco's value
taste like pencil cases. Exactly what you mean. In December, we were
you and I will be investigating the Calvin Goven and Hatch, don't we the
nuclear Bunkaleer. We're on a team. I'm hoping it's not gonna be too
cold, but it's in December, so it's going to be freezing. Yeah,
well with with Calvin and Hatch. The only time it's actually I've ever
known it to be cold there is when you're walking in out of the tunnel
to go back out to the car park. The rest of Calverton Hatches usually
kept pretty warm because it's open during the day and he has the heating on
in there. Oh yeah, so usually because it's it's now a tourist attraction
and he's got a cafe in now he has the heating on going throughout the
building and at nighttime it very rarely gets cold. And I've investigated there,
oh blimey, maybe ten times, maybe more, and I've never really felt
really that cold, unless it's you know, we've we've gone to leave and
we've gone outside. You have you had some interesting results there because I'm very
interested. I think it's it's quite a lively place for what I understand it
is, oddly enough, and I've got involved in arguments there about how how
can a place that's been built underground be haunted? And I say to people,
it's like a normal house. It's not the house itself. It's not
just the house that could be haunted. It could be the land that the
house is sitting on, So it could be something that was there before the
house. And the nuclear bunker itself is although it's built into a hillside,
it was farmland. But near that farmland was a cemetery and a lot of
all the soil and rocks and everything else that was taken out of the ground
was put on top of that cemetery, so the he'd got buried even more
so it's possible that it could be a disgruntled spirit from that cemetery wasn't happy.
But it also could be spirits that in visitation. They could be a
member of staff that loved working there and when he passed, decided to go
back. But as I said earlier on, we were filming there a couple
of years ago and then got affected by this nurse that didn't like anybody being
there, and I had to rely on Joan to get rid of her.
And that was when the smell of TCPS disappeared. And even Mark Manley has
he's got video footage somewhere which I'll have to get him to send me over.
But he's got film footage in the same area, in the hospital area.
And as he's filming, you see someone standing behind one of those adjustable
curtain things that they need to open up the constantina ones. As he's going
around with the camera, you see someone standing the other side. But everybody
was all accounted for, so they were like, who was that behind that
curtain? And you clearly see this face. It's an amazing place. I
enjoy it there. Yeah, I've been here a couple of times, just
as a visitor, but not not on a ghost hunt as such. It's
good investigation. I don't like the term ghost hunt because I turn around and
say, look, I don't have a proton pack or I don't shoot them
and then stick their heads up on my wall. I'm not a ghost hunter.
I'm a paranormal investigator. So and it's not just ghosts. I go
out looking for ghosts, Cryptid and the UFOs. And as Mark probably said
to you that the you spoke the last time with him, you know,
when we went to render some forest, we saw something we cannot explain.
People say it could bean the t R three B Me personally, I don't
think so, because from what me and Mark could figure out the way we
worked it, it was a considerable size and I don't think anybody would be
able to build something big enough and hide it successfully. That's how big it
was. That's interesting because anyone who listened to Mark's show, Mark Manley,
and they're hearing you say the same thing, that you both saw the same
thing. It's actually quite interesting that you're saying that. You know, it's
quite eventual. Yeah, And the thing was, we weren't there for the
Dark Mirror radio show, which we host together. We were recording for Truth
Beyond Paranor. I suggested to our director that maybe we've done so many of
the ghost side of things, why don't we try going out for UFOs go
to Rendersham Forest. We've got you know, it's free to go there,
so we don't have to paint it, just our fuel. And from the
moment we got there, things weren't right. We filmed at the East Gate
where they claim to have seen the lights originally, and no. Sooner as
we started to leave there, a white pickup fan came down towards the gate.
We then got to the bottom of where the car park is at the
end of the runway, and as we're filming again, this white pickup truck
comes down on the inside of the fence stops and these two guys get out
and just stand there watching us. And then we walked off down the footpath
towards where the alleged landing site was, and literally from the moment we got
down there, everything started going wrong. Two of our team were sent back
to the car park to get some lights because it was getting quite dark,
so we needed to illuminate the area. So they went to go back to
the car to get the lights and they got lost, which from the landing
sight to the car park was pretty straightforward. You go found one footpath and
it's right in front of you. But they got lost. They went off
in one way and they came back from the opposite direction. Once they came
back, we kept hearing footprints, We kept hearing people moving around in the
bushes, and we were like, well, could it be a monk,
jack beer, could it have been a rabbit or a fox? Well,
yes, but these are all creatures with four legs. They make more noise
than a human being would unlet's a human being. He's walking around on all
fours. And also I found out as human beers that around, they'll stay
away from him anyway. Yeah, So we're standing there going we can hear
this, and it was going from all around us every direction, need these
footsteps, and I'm sitting there going, I wonder if it's these security guards,
are they watching us? Then we spotted these two white lights. They
went from west to east, and they as they were going towards the east,
they got further apart from each other, so they were going at an
angle and we're like, okay, that's weird. Solid white lights. We
checked on the Flight Aviation Authorities website. Nothing was coming up on now,
so we thought maybe their satellites. But at some point, if they were
at the same height, they would have come from the original same point because
they were getting a further apart from each other. Then as we watched them
disappearing at the distance, we saw another one in the east going from south
to north, but it was going in like a wave pattern, and we're
like, that's not right, and again solid white light. Then Mark went,
there's something up there, look and when we looked, there was this
solid white light above the trees on one side of us. It disappeared,
then it pops up on the other side of the clearing, and we're like,
nah, this ain't right. Then Mark all of a sudden just went
look up. And when I looked up, all I could see was this
black triangle, and apart from a few wisps of cloud, that was all
you could see in the night sky, apart from the stars and the moon.
The moon was actually reflecting light off of these little wisps of cloud.
But this black triangle had a white light at each point, nothing in the
middle. Yeah, all the stars were all around. There was no other
street lights or anything, so there was no other light pollution. Yet we
saw this black triangle with the three lights in each corner, nothing in between.
It's really pack. It's pitched star cut there. I know. Yeah,
it's pitch black. But obviously we had the moon, so that was
providing a bit of light, but not a lot. But you could see
more stars than you normally would. But except for in this black triangle,
there was nothing in there, and you could see where the moon was reflecting
off the clouds. You could see these whisps of clouds passing underneath it,
and Mark was quick as anything to potos of it, and then within seconds
it went. It just disappeared. And then shortly after two jets and we
assumed they were from sort of Lake and Eath area, came flying over and
we confirmed it on the Fly Aviation Authority's website. These two American jets come
flying over west to east and that was it. And we're thinking, look,
Renderson Forest is living up two the stories from the eighties, Yeah,
still visiting now, and I think they know they are visiting there still as
well. Yeah, there's a lot of creepy so, I mean I used
to do quite a lot of walks out up there and then right in the
dead of night, coming home at three o'clock in the morning, and there's
been lots of weird photos and things taken, you know, strange whispy shapes
and things, things that you can't see with your eyes. But when you
look at the photos and it's not someone smoking a lot of that and I
know, I know the area was I mean as obviously goes right the way
back to Anglo Saxon times because you had the some who which is only just
down the road. Yeah, you got burial sites and things around. Yeah,
so there was always something going on in that area. And whether you
go down to shamanistic rituals or witchcraft and things like that is quite known in
the area, so it's possible that there may be connections to those as well.
Sure, but yeah, it was a bit alarming that knowing that they
have tourists go up there on the UFO Walk, why did these two guys
come down in the white pickup truck and watch what we were doing. It
all seemed a little bit weird and weren't too impressed when they followed us down
to the bottom of the runway. I'm watching what we were filming, and
then weird stuff started happening. It was almost as if they knew something was
coming into the woods that night. Sure, and it did freak us out
a little bit. I know Mark wants to go back there again. I
said, if he comes down this way, give us a shout and I'll
go with you. I'm looking at doing a little trip out for spookan Ory
events limited. I'm just waiting to pick a proper day where it's not so
cold, and then I'm going to do a little trip up there for spookan
ory events. So if anybody wants to come along, you know it's going
to be a cheap event. Literally, it's probably going to be what I
would class is the cheapest paranormal event going in the UK because it will only
be a couple of pound each. And what we're going to do is we're
going to go up there. We're going to start off at the east Gate
where obviously it was first the first sights were seen physically, and do a
little talk about that bit. Then go down the footpath to the alleged landing
site where the statue thing is, I mean where that statue is. That
isn't the actual site, No it's not. They just found a convenient little
hill to put it. I think that the model thing they've got there.
I mean someone said, someone said to me or that there is a there
is a second side where they did actually land. I said, yeah,
they didn't land at that particular point. It was just easier. It was
easy just to do the statue and put it there because that was where there
was an actual clearing. Yeah, I mean I can I can take you
where Colonel Holt actually took me to show me where you know where the actual
landing was, and you know which Jim Penistone and John Burrows. Yeah,
because there's the other one in the field, isn't there, well, the
farmer's field. As I understand, nothing actually landed at Caple Green. You
know, that's a that's a yarn that was put out by somebody. Yeah,
I mean there is. There's always been a lot of a lot of
hearsay and things. It's like when they tried to sort of poo poo the
idea, but it was it was the lighthouse. Yeah, And I'm like,
how could it have been the lighthouse because that lighthouse is way too far
away. The forest at the time would have been sort of fairly unkept,
you know. Obviously the Forestry Commission hadn't gone in and started doing the coloring
of the trees in a stomatic order, so everything there at the time would
have been random. But then you got light pollution from a lighthouse. You
didn't have the lightstining in land. Everyone on the base would have known about
the lighthouses anyway. Yeah, you know, if had it been the lighthouse,
that'd have been seeing UFOs every night, wouldn't they Exactly why why was
it only that particular time, especially after the radar picked it up, and
you're like, it can't be the lighthouse. The lighthouses too far away.
Why do people still see things now even though the lighthouse doesn't exist anymore now,
so you know, it just still adds to the mystery about what they
had seen. Yeah, that's an amazing it really is. So I do
I do want to do a little, a little trip up there, and
it's not going to it's not going to be much, but you know,
I've had quite a bit of interest from people sure that I said, they
would like to do an investigation up there. So I said, right,
well, leave it with me and I'll arrange something. Will definitely give me
a nudge for that, because oh yeah, as well as I'm around,
I'll I'll go to the States in a few weeks. But hopefully because you're
going to miss my little talk. How when is your little talk at the
the saying that the surfing group, isn't it? Yeah, it's twenty twenty
fourth or twenty fifth of mate? Oh the twenty fourth, Yeah, yes,
the day we actually fly. It's a shame that I don't know what
I'm doing for that yet. I'm just sitting there thinking to myself, do
I do stuff like our point viewers on the laptop and stuff like that,
or do I just do what I did the last convention that I did and
they do they do have a screen and all that there. Well, I'm
going to get my lovely partner to work a power point view of thing for
me so I can put it all through the projector and the screen. Hopefully
they'll get it all set up for you. I mean hopefully some will be
listening to this show anyway from from the from the the South End group or
the Essex Crug. Now is it the SXUF Paranormal Group. I mean it's
it's it's weird because doing the parafest, it was just it steered a table
and I've seen other people doing it. I'm like, this is all new
to me. I've never done anything like this before. And when when Gabe
Bradfield asked me to do parafests the first time round, I'm like, what
do I talk about? What do I do? How do I present it?
So? And in the end I just stood there and just talked.
And then when I ended up going up the second time last year, I'm
like right, Okay, I've got to talk about something different this time,
because yeah, and there's going to be some people that were there last year
or the year before. They are going to know what I'm going to talk
about. So really I need to be talking about something different. That's the
way to problem. Yeah. So I did. I went to something different
and it and it worked. Excuse me, it's and it's with this one.
And I'm just sitting there thinking to myself, like, I've got to
work out a proper way of doing this because if these sort of things happen
on a regular basis, now I need to really work on my presentations a
bit more. Imagine how these people feel who have had that one event in
their life. You know, it could have been a biggy bed like someone
like Travis Walton for example, and the amount of times has been around telling
that same story, you know, it's kind of it must get you down
a bit all the thought it I mean, it does. I mean when
I'm obviously with tonight talking to you, it's no, it doesn't let me
down. I just keep thinking to myself, some of these, some of
these events that have happened, I'm saying them over and over again. The
different people through various means, and I keep it's like reliving that moment again,
if you know what I mean. Yeah, And I'm sort of like,
because I write my books, it sort of ends up taking over and
I end up passing them off into my books as well. Some of my
experiences have ended up in my books for that reason. And so when something
I experienced on a paranormal investigation myself, I've will sort of inadvertently end up
placing it in one of my books without realizing. Then I'll read it back
and I'll go, hang on a minute, that happened to me a journal
Yeah, I mean, Cozy, let's talk a bit, a little bit
about your books. I've got three of them in front of me. I
don't know how many exactly you've written, I mean, is it so far?
And at the moment there's four. Well, I've got three of them.
I've got a Whistle from the Hills that's the first one. I've got
Lady Jake that's second one and probably the most popular at the moment. And
the Job Job Done. Job Done also is Cricket, which Job Done is
the fourth book, and Cricket Cricket was my third and that one was more
of the supernatural Mother Nature book. It's about a boy that has an incurable
illness and his family decide if he can't be cured, we want to take
him on holiday and let me enjoy himself before the inevitable happens. Only while
they're on holiday, Mother Nature steps in and weird stuff starts happening, which
I thought was quite good because of a lot of that story is based on
Corfu, where I go on holidays, and my mum and dad and their
dog are in the story. My son is on the front cover of the
book, and he's very discreetly placed, so you have to look really hard
to find his face on the cover of the book, excuse me. And
I'm currently working on my fifth one, called Overdue, which is about I
wouldn't say a ghost train. It's about haunted railway line and that again is
sort of like loosely based on an old railway line that used to run from
where I live to a town about six or seven miles down and they removed
the track in the fifties and just just kept the main line track to Clacton
on Sea running. So I thought, you know, I'm gonna I'm going
to do this. I'm going to do a nice little story. And I
originally wrote it a good seven maybe eight years ago when I was still working
with Most Haunted, and it is on I think it's still on my YouTube
channel, and I looked at it and I thought, really, this is
really small and for me to publish it, I've got to reimagine this story
because it's not big enough. So I went back to it, I revisited
it and thought, right, I can put stuff at a lot of stuff
in here. And I started rewriting, and straight away I've got two chapters
that are completely different to the original story. And so now I've got to
a stage where it's getting bigger than all the other books previously, and I
keep getting told off by my mum. She turns around and she says,
oh, when you're going to release it? And I said, look,
he'll be out when it's out. You know, books don't write themselves overnight.
She is here, but you've doing this for two years and it's a
bit overdue. So yeah, exactly. And I decided I was going to
have a little dig at my mum, and I put a post up on
Facebook saying about the book itself, and the caption read some trains are late
for a reason, and it's got a picture of two shadow people standing on
a misty railway line. And my mum turned around and went, is that
a dig at me? And I said, yeah, it is a dig
at you. I'm sorry. I'm going to be honest. It is a
dig at you because you keep going on about it. So there's the caption,
read it some trains are late for a reason, and I've just left
it at that, and she's like, okay, fair enough. But the
problem then is that while I'm writing one book, I get ideas for others
coming mad. I can just be talking to someone about things in general and
a new idea pops up. I'm going to be like, seriously, I
can't keep dealing with this. I keep getting new ideas and my phone has
got about forty six different ideas than stories, dating back years because as I'm
going about my daily business, I keep thinking of different stories. And it's
yeah, I think one day I might actually sort of do an actual book
of my experiences rather than my stories. M Yeah, it sounds like you've
got a book to write. There. Yeah, I think there is.
There is There are plenty of things, ranging from place like Charlton House,
Preston Manor, Fought Widley and for Hampton Hall, you know, from all
over the UK. I've had these different paranormal experiences and I keep I say
to myself, if I was to write all these down into a book with
people buy it, and I don't know it's I'd like to think people would,
but then again, I don't do it to make the money from it.
You know. I write the stories because I enjoy writing them, and
then I get the secondary joy from the fact that people and yes they've brought
the book, but they enjoy the books, and that's that's all. I
need. My self published through Amazon and there isn't much profit in it,
and that doesn't mother me. A lot of people they will write books and
they'll sell them through Amazon, and they'll sell them as much as possible,
thinking they're going to make a lot of money from it, or they will
purposely go out pay for an agent to push the books at publishers. And
I tried contacting Penguin Books and they didn't want to know unless I pay for
an agent, and I'm like, I can't afford to just go out and
get an agent. You exactly it costs to have that agent, And what
if that agent doesn't get you up publisher, You've just paid out all that
money for what nothing. And it was then suggested to me that maybe I
should self publish. And it came from a lady who started off self publishing
and after eight books, and I think her subject matter was crime and romance,
And after eight books, a publisher approached her and said, we would
like to publish your books. So she came away then from self publishing and
went with the publisher and now that's all she does for a living. She
doesn't do anything else. Yes, although that would be nice, you know,
just to be able to sit back and just right away and just let
the money come in. I'm sort of a bit reluctant to want to have
that happen because I'm enjoying the writing so much and sharing my stories with other
people that it doesn't really bother me. You know, there's not much profit
in it, but that's not why I do it. The same as with
the paranormal investigating. If I wanted to, I could go out, I
could book a venue, and I could charge fifteen to twenty pounds more than
what the cost price would be, But then that takes the enjoyment out of
it. And I would rather people enjoyed their night rather than watch pounds disappear
out of their pockets. Yeah, I'm with you on that. Yeah,
it's one of those things. I enjoy the paranormal and I'd like to have
other people enjoy it with me. And I don't believe that people should be
paying pounds and pounds more than what they should be, Yeah, to enjoy
something like that. Sure, I mean I don't do I don't do things
like what they call it urban exploring that. I don't have to go at
anybody that does because it's down to them. But I personally, on a
safety level, you know, a health and safety side of things. If
something was to happen while I was doing that, who would know I was
there? Yeah? Yeah, no insurance to cover you because you shouldn't have
been there in the first place. I will break your leg or something.
Yeah, exactly. And for me, the truth beyond paranormal. And it
was suggested once we went to we went to this abandoned building and item management
and said, does anybody know we're going to be there? Have you contacted
the owner of that building, and they went She went, well, no,
we just turn up and go in and I turn amn it. Well,
you do realize that's urban exploring. If nobody knows we're going to be
there, what happens if one of us has an accident? How is anybody
going to know where we are? Yeah, and that's the law coming so
that as well. I mean, can that be a breaking an entry in
the tope thing as well? It depends on the building if there is no
I mean we have it with ref upward in Huntingdon. I wasn't too keen
on going up there, and she said no, because there's a break in
the fence. There's a section there where when the site was closed down,
this defence was put up on purpose. The sections were removed and people drive
their cars through to get to the local housing estate. They said, if
there's a gap in the fence, you can enter those grounds. And it's
only a civil matter, not a criminal matter if you break into the building.
So if it's boarded up or all the windows are in place, and
you then physically break or damage a window or a door to get into the
property, then you have committed a criminal act. Then you can get done
for the police for being there. So I'm like, well, that's fine,
but we're entering a property with no windows, so we're still under the
civil But the problem we have is my director and her husband live in Aylesbury
and the remaining four team members all live here in Colchester. I'm the only
one that drives out of us. So if I was to go with them
to a location that was class des urban exploring and I broke my leg,
how would the other three team members get home? You see, on a
health and safety side of things and insurance side, we wouldn't stand a chance.
So I said, we don't do urban exploring. If we go to
these places, I want somebody to know that we are there so nothing happens.
And we had that in an old people's home in Houstard. The director
we've been told by a good friend of ours, Peter Fox, who was
part of our team at one time till he was ill, and that has
suggested this place. And Sam contacted the care home next door and basically what
they've done was they built a new purpose built care home and just left the
buildings from the old one. So she contacted them and said, would you
mind if we came and filmed in the care home and they've gone, yeah,
yeah, and that's no problem, give us a date time you'll be
there. We'll let the night staff know. Only they didn't let the night
staff know. And we've gone in there and we started to film and we're
just filming the introduction and then all of a sudden, these torches were coming
up the stairs and I'm like, oh, I was going on? What
was going on the next minutes? Hello? Police, stay where you are?
And yet we're staying here. They've come up to us. And this
was when we were in the COVID tear system and we'd all been we'd all
wearing face masks, we'd all done COVID tests before we all got there.
We were all in the same area anyway, so we all still under the
Tier two system. So as a production company, we were still allowed to
go out filming. We just had to follow the guidelines. Of course,
these police officers have come upstairs. What you're doing here? So we've explained
it all and it's one police officer who was very belligerent and cantankerous, stood
there going, oh, you shouldn't be in here, blah blah blah,
we said, look, we've just explained to you. We explained to the
day staff and asked them if it was okay. They said, yes,
you've got our permission. We'll let the night staff know. They obviously haven't
let them know it, and she showed them the emails of communication. I
said, right, well, for now, we'll just have to you just
have to leave. So we said, right, fine, we've left,
and oddly enough their cars were punked with ours. So we're walking across this
field. We got to the cars and this particular police officer that was being
a bit awkward. He turned around and he said, you do realize that
you under COVID regulations. And then I noticed it and I thought, oh
dear, I've got to come back, and you're not going to like it.
And he went look, he said, you're supposed to abide by the
COVID rules and regulations, which is which is all I were were there were
laws, COVID regulations. I said, look, we've all tested negative,
we all did tests before we all left our homes. We've all got the
emails of compliance with that. We've also got the emails from the government that
said, as a production company, we can still go out in the film
and we're we're keeping our distance from each other, and we're wearing face masks.
And I then quickly snapped in and went, where's your face mask?
And he got in his car and gone, and I thought, don't ever
ever throw the rules at the people that know the rules better than you.
Yeah, and he disappeared. The other place that were with us thought that
was hilarious. Man said, that's the first time today that he's ever shut
up. And I'm like, oh, okay, fair enough. But we
never went back there as a result, because we thought, if there's going
to be a break in communication between two lots of staff, we're going to
get this every time we go there. And I want to be above board.
I don't want to be sort of skimming under the radar. I mean,
on the way over to this old People's zone, we inadvertently ended up
in a farmer's back garden and we're like, this only the old people's and
this is someone's house. There's no fences. We just wandered through his back
garden. We've had We've had some really good funny times, and our episodes
do show the funny side of what we do. We have a blueper reel
at the end of every episode, so all of the cock ups are there
just to prove that we're only human. And the best one was Ari Upward.
I was filming in one of the admin buildings and I was just explaining
on camera that a black shadow was seen skipping from one room to the other.
And as I'm walking down the corridor and my partner's phone goes off and
at the time she had under the Sea from the Little Mermaid theme tune.
So of course, as I'm explained that you hear this, do did do?
Do? You do? Do no? Seriously? And that was it.
We were all in hysterics. It just shows It just goes to show
that although we do have some scripts, we also show you what happens when
we cock up. It's all fun and that's why we do it. There
are your books, Wayne, so you can just order them on on the
Amazon, can you, Yes, they're they're available on Amazon. If you
look up Wayne Seeden, Sense Spookin' Ory, they'll all pop up. All
four books. They're available on paperback and on Kindle, but they're also available
directly from myself, which is one of the good things that Amazon have allowed
in the contract, I can buy authors copies. I can buy that up
to one thousand at a time, and I can sell them myself obviously no
higher than the Amazon price. So what I tend to do now is I
tend to buy a bulkload of each one and I sell them. Amazon have
got them at three pounds fifty each and I sell them all four for twelve
pound. But then what I do is I sign them, I personalize them,
and I usually put a free bookmark in as well. You get a
little picture of a ghost as well. Oh yes, you get my little
ghost logo as well. I'll be after your train one that says with you
interesting anyway, So what's what is your YouTube side? As all? Wayne?
While you're here, If you just put in Wayne seedon it will come
up there. I don't unfortunately with the YouTube side. Since I've gone on
to Facebook, I've walked away from YouTube and I hardly, I very rarely
put anything on the YouTube channel. There are still some stories from the most
Haunted days on there. But what I'm doing is as I'm rewriting those stories,
I'm removing them off of YouTube. And then what I'm going to do
is I'm going to remove all of the videos from YouTube completely for my new
project. My new project will then take over on the YouTube only, all
right, so so that we can talk about an other time it can be
yes, because it's this project will be sort of a cross between paranorm more
and normal as such, but it's what's normal nowadays. It's it's it's going
to be based on something that I've been thinking about for a few years now,
and it's going to be very similar in appearance to Arthur Sea Clant's World
of Strange Powers So Good, but rather than World of Strange Powers, it's
going to be called Wayne's Weird and Wonderful World. And it's more about strange
things on this earth and off this earth that really we don't pay much attention
to, or don't notice, or don't really show any care about. And
I did a tester last year on the to the Graven Back and it was
very well received and we covered a myriad to different things, and one of
them was the rainbow eucalyptus tree, which was predominant around Asia and on Australia,
and the bark itself is multi colored and hence it's name, the rainbow
eucalyptus tree, and I believe now that it only grows in Malaysia because it
was cut down for its timber. It's now only grown inlay. It's only
now only growing in Malaysia, and they're trying to bring it back from extinction.
And it was just things like that that I think, you know,
not a lot of people are actually paying attention to the amazing, weird and
beautiful things that we've got on our own planet. Because we're now so wrapped
up in doing things in an order and the way other people want us to
do it, we're forgetting all the things that are not on our doorstep that
really are quite amazing. Yeah. So I decided to do this little project
and I've got the first the first one, which is underway in edit now.
The only problem is it's fitting everything in because I'm getting asked to do
little adverts for other groups, when I'm being called away to come into places
like Telford to film a promo video for a group that have joined together with
another group to promote a venue. And then obviously there's truth beyond paranormal,
the spokanery, events, the books, and it's the children as well,
because obviously they're my top priority. Everything else has to come after them.
When you've got a son that's got to have a hip replacement and has just
recently had steroid in jails. I saw that in the hospital photos. All
the best for that. Anyway, he's done phenomenon well. I never expected
him to react the way he did, but he's taken a lot after me.
He's got a high praying threshold, and if he does feel pain,
he doesn't show it. But he's come out of the steroid injections really well,
and I'm proud of him for that. The worst one now is going
to be around Christmas time. He's got to have a right hip replacement and
they're looking at trying to stop for left it from going the same way.
But then at the same time we've had my youngest son, Freddie has been
diagnosed with autism. They suspect it's ADHD, but they can't test that for
another two years. And then they turned around and said, my youngest daughter
has got suspected ADHD, so they want to start the ball rolling for her.
And then on top of that, my oldest daughter turns around and says,
well, should I be tested as well? If everybody else has got
it. Please don't know. Yeah, you got your hands for you,
you know. So it's doing all things, all the things like that.
And when I've got my parents visiting soon, I'm like, I'm running around
the house and I'm like, right, what needs to be done? Got
to make the place look good for them when they arrive. I saw you
putting the floor down, yeah, with the old with the old geto glue.
That gave me a wonderful headache last night. That I'm quite proud of
myself because I've never laid a floor before, so yeah, I looked pretty
good. I'm proud of what I've done so far, and now I'm painting
the whole way. I've already refurbished my mum's old cupboards and drawers. That's
one thing I've always been good at. When I put my mind to something,
I tend to do a good job of it. And I'm not a
painter and decorator, but I've redecorated my mum's old pine kitchen cupboards and drawers
and they've gone from being pine to a power bait and roll rose gold.
So we've got all the all the pattern pattern etching is all rose gold,
and then all the flat panels, and now there's magnolia stilk color. So
I did all that. Now now I'm cracking on with the hallway. I'm
sorry I've dragged you away from your decorating to night. Then I was all
right, I was I was ready for I was ready for a break for
the day because it's having a bad back and that myself. There's only so
much you can do before you need to have a break, and so it
was. It's good sometimes to get away from it all. And that's one
of the good things about paranormal investigating, because if if we get a babysitter,
both myself and Ellen can come away from the house. We can go
off out into the middle of nowhere, go to some place, do an
investigation, and have a really good time ourselves. Because we both are interested
in the subject. We both get to have a good night out and it
hasn't cost us anything, you know, it's just cost us. I mean,
Saturday night was twenty five pounds each. Now we wouldn't have got that
paranormal investigation for less anywhere else, that's true. So we got it cheap
and we had a really good time. Even if one of our team did
end up with a heart rate of one hundred and forty five, and we
had to move her out of the area pretty quickly. I think sometimes there's
some of the pitfalls. Yeah, some of the pitfalls are paranormal investigating.
Our friend does have heart problems, but she was all right up till the
point we got into this tunnel and then something got to us and our heart
rate went up, and I'm like, no, we can't have you when
here. If that's going to happen, you need to come out of the
atmosph bit, get outside and allow yourself to calm down. No, you
know what, somebody else going over to the other side. Why you're there?
You no, No, it was And it wasn't until afterwards that we
found out that the body was actually found in one of the underground tunnels.
We weren't too sure which one it was well, but one of those underground
tunnels there was a body, a charred body was found in one of the
tunnels, and it turned out to be someone that had been reported missing.
Oh dear, And the coroner's report had said that the person had died from
the smoke inhalation, which then led to cardiac arrest, and we wondered whether
it was the spirit of him putting that feeling of cardiac arrest on our teammate.
Hence why a heart rate went up, because as soon as she came
out of that area, she started to calm down a bit. And then
Ellen, my partner, gave her a Rose Courts bracelet and she calmed down
straight away. So, well, those types of things do happen, don't
they It does. It does. Sometimes the spirit will put onto you the
feelings that they had at the moment they passed. So if it was something
to do with asphyxiation, you'd be short of breath or your chest to tighten
up, and then you get the cardiac arrest side of things, so you
would start feeling very similar things to what they were, and it's just them
saying to you, look, this is how I died m and it's not
a nice feeling. But it's then down to somebody else to spot that trigger
and say you need to get out, and you need to get out fast,
otherwise you do get problems. And I've had people with me that have
passed out before simply because they were getting that feeling of how someone passed away
and it affected them that much that they passed out, and that Harry's readout
thought. We did an event there once and we went into the Napoleonic Monk
room, which had all the bunk beds in, and six people had to
be removed within five minutes because they were all feeling nauseous and want them to
be sick, and there were having hot flushes followed by cold flushes, and
I said, no, you need to come out, and then somebody else
should say the same thing, right, you need to come out, And
it was constant. In the end, six of them had to be removed
from that room, go back to the bunk room, have a sip of
water and just relax for a little bit and then carry on. And then
I think it was a couple of months later we went back, the same
thing happened again and four people had to be removed. It's interesting, So
it's it is a weird situation, but it's no one else to deal with
it once it happens. Yeah, yeah, I don't remember think lot,
and it happen a lot that when I was there. You know, as
I say, I suppose it depends on the team, doesn't it. It
depends on the team and who's there, because I know a few years back
someone mentioned the term that I had never heard of before, and they called
them blockers m M. And these are people that are sort of dead set
against everything parmenormal and will literally deny anything that's there. And apparently the spirit
would go, this person's here, I don't lie, that person's I'm not
doing anything, and they won't do anything at all. There will be no
spiritual activity whatsoever because of that one person. So that person gets called a
blocker. And again you have to find out if which person is the blocker,
who's the one that's stopping spirit energy coming through and doing something? And
it even the blocker for themselves might not necessarily know they're the ones that are
doing it, and it could because they have a piece of rose courts on
them, which means they're protected. And again I don't like it when groups
do and we do a spell of protection. Well, the way I see
it, why a spell of protection? If you want something to happen,
the last thing you want to be is to be protected from the spirit world
because they're not going to do anything to you if you protect yourself, so
you're likely then to go into a location after having the spell of protection,
and you sit there and for three quarters of an hour to an hour if
we sitting there twiddling your thumbs, going why am I here? It's cold,
it's where and nothing is happening, and you start to build down over
it. Yet the second you come away from without knowing the person that's blocking
the spirit energy. Say, a lot of teams do a free time,
so they got like an hour and hour and a half where you can go
wherever you're like. So you've then walked away from this person that's the blocker,
then all of a sudden, all hell breaks loose. You know,
you've got knocks, you've got bangs, your things being moved, and you're
sitting there go wow, that's amazing. And they end up walking away going
well, the first part of the night was a bit naf because nothing happened.
But the second I went away with my three people, we had this
happened and we had that happened, and it's all because this supposed locker is
there has protected everybody else or they've had the spell of protection and me,
I'm just like, no, thanks, I don't want it. Where do
I go When I've said this to teams. When they said that, they
stood there and said, we're going to do a speller protection now, and
they go, what about those that don't want it? And they go,
well, if you stand out in the building. I did this once at
calvilen Atch. I got ridiculed because they said we're going to do a speller
protection the right. I go and step outside and have a quick cigarette while
you're doing the spell of protection. And they looked at me like a grown
a second dead. And I'm like, I don't want the spell of protection.
I've got something here if needs be, that will protect me when needed,
So I would rather not have your speller protection. And I then left
when out had a cigarette, come back and they all looked at me as
if I'd grown a second dead. I was the only person that walked outside.
And I just think it is because the paranormal field has been affected by
scaremongers, you know. I think a lot of these these these groups that
go out there will tell people on purpose that spirit can harm you if you
don't have the spell of protection. Well, I think people make their own
ideas up anyway. I mean, nobody really knows the truth, do they.
And that's why we do it, you know. But when you've got
a team turn around and going, oh, well, we'll do a speller
protection before we start the investigation. This will protect you from anything that may
affect you. And I'm like, you know, you want to experience anything,
but if you've got that speller protection, you're technically not going to experience
anything because you're protected from it. Yeah. I mean, normally you've got
protection from the other side anyway. But with your spirit guides, haven't you,
Yes, But not a lot of people you see realize that they've got
that spirit guide, which leaves them open. Those that know they've got a
spirit guide and know that they're able to communicate with it and know that it
will protect them when it's needed, they're fine. For those that don't know
it's needed, they will rely on that speller protection and then which case,
not much is going to happen to them because they're protected from it. Me,
I'd rather go in now, and I would like I love the fact
that mannekin dummies have been thrown at me, or I've been pushed in the
back, or I've been tapped on the back of the leg experience, and
will want where we go on these investigations something like that. But if we
all went around protecting ourselves, we're not going to get the evidence that we
so much desire. You know, you desire the evidence, so you put
yourself in a situation where you've got that evidence there. I'm just pigstick that
I did not have a video camera running when the mannekin dummy was thrown at
me. But I was fortunate to have a witness with me that backed me
up with what I was saying, and she is credible, she's you know,
she's not a complete lunatic. So I know for a fact that if
I turned around through and said, look, can you tell them what happened
to Harris read out for I know she'll say exactly the same thing as what
I've stated, and she would back me up one hundred percent. And I
would like to say that the three people there were video in in the cell
next door would pretty much agree with me that what they caught on camera wasn't
normal and what they heard obviously to start off with, I just think,
you know, it's we need I think we need to be a bit more
careful on how we conduct ourselves in regards to spirit because if we go around
protecting ourselves too much that evidence is never going to come through. That's true.
If spirit are like us, but in the you know, the energy
side of things rather than the physical, they're going to be thinking exactly the
same thing as us if they're intelligent, because obviously you've got your residual hauntings
and your intelligent hauntings. Your intelligent hauntings are just the energy version of our
physical so they should be able to think the same of us. So if
they think the same as us, surely they're going to turn around and say,
well, you're taking the mickey. I'm not doing nothing tonight. You're
standing there laughing and joking. You think this is all funny and go somewhere
else. They're not going to stay in that area. They will deliberately keep
out of the way or won't do anything because they're closing themselves off from it.
And that's why I still, even though I don't like to, I
still keep in touch with that spiritual size simply because I do want to experience
it, and having experienced stuff in the past, I can't turn around and
say there's no such thing as ghosts. And that's one of my biggest arguments.
I had it. The other day. My future mum in law said
that she was talking about the ghosts and the prospect of coming out on a
Spokanory event with myself and Ellen, and this lady jumped in and said,
Oh, you shouldn't mess around, mess around with all that sort of stuff.
God won't like it, and there's no such thing as ghosts. And
I'm like, that is a big mistake. I personally think that is a
big mistake for someone to turn around and say they believe in God that they
don't believe in ghosts. Yeah, because you can believe in ghosts but not
in God. But you can't do it the other way round. You can't
believe in God and not in ghosts, simply because even all the Holy scriptures,
the Bible itself, Old and New Testament, it's something like three hundred
and sixty five times it's mentioned the holy Ghost, holy spirit or just ghost
or spirit. Absolutely. Yeah, the Shining Ones. Yeah, and it
mentioned UFOs as well, quite a lot mentions UFOs. The Shining Ones are
the annarchy, and they're mentioned in the Bible. And we know the annarchy
are before any that we have, So that then starts a whole new ballgame.
So to turn around and say they don't believe in ghosts, but they
believe in God makes them hypocrites. And I love the argument when they say
that, because as soon as I turn in and say, you can't believe
in God, are not in ghosts? But you can on the other way
around, And you watch the cogs start turning. They spend ages thinking about
what I just said, and it confuses them. They don't understand it.
And I think a lot of it is because of the way we're conditioned.
You know, the second we start going to school, we're pushed down a
certain path. And we've I've noticed it with my children's schools. You know,
they stand there and they go, right, well, God this,
and God that, all of this, and Christiana that, and my youngest
daughter, Tamazin's come back and she's about believing in God. And I went,
where did you hear about God? From to in school? And I
said to the school to teacher you about God? Now? Are they?
Yeah? I said, well what about Allah? What about Krishna? What
about Buddha and all these other deities? And it is true when we look
at religion, we all keep pointing the finger at a god. But why
they don't realize is that before a god, there was a myriad of god's.
There was loads of gods that were worshiped. And then you go right
back even before then with the Sameriantact, you've got the Annarchy, which were
the true gods as far as that's concerned, and that's your myriad of gods.
So you know, it's the education that the schools are pushing out onto
children that closes the mind of so that when you get into adulthood you're what
as susceptible to spirit as what you would have been had the school not gone
down that religious route. Sure, and then you just want to reridicule it.
Yeah, mm hm, I find it. I find it a bit
upsetting when they when when religion gets pushed out there to an extent where it's
not so obvious, but it's it's it is literally brainwashing them. Mm hmm.
Well, you know, push them down that road that way you you
fill in line with everything we want you to do. Yeah, we are
another brick in the wall that the ld Pink Floyd song are you Yeah exactly,
it's like rushy se tournament and saying right, it's got to stay at
school. Tiller rating. Now my son Athan doesn't know what to do with
himself even year ten. Now head into year eleven and then we get an
emails a do you want to go down to the institute for a test today
just to familiar as I familiarize yourself with the place. And he's like,
no, m well you do realize when you leave that school you've got to
go somewhere like that for another two years. And he doesn't like it,
but I can't stop him. I have to make him go into either further
education or an apprenticeship. And being an autistic how is he going to cope
with that? Mm hmm. Yeah. So I'd said to him, Mark,
I'll get you to do an apprenticeship with me. He can become a
paranormal investigator and do do an apprenticeship. That's great idea. Well, I
think they've got to be government approved, so I don't know. I have
to look into it anyway, Wait on that. On that note, it's
been fantastic only on the show. It's been the hope to see you again
soon? Definitely, definitely. I mean obviously we reckon June, don't we,
So yeah, yes, definitely maybe before you never know, we might
end up with another just to go tour again. Yeah, it's a shame.
While she'll be missing your talk. But that's at the East Anglia Paranormal
UFO and Paranormal Group at South End. That's on the twenty fourth of made
the day off flight of the state soortunely. But anyone listening to this you
can catch Wayne there. Definitely very fair group and you can take a few
of your books there Wayne, and you'll probably I'll be taking a little supply
of books down with me which I'll sign for people if they want to to
buy any well, there is them moning. Thank you very much for coming
on the show. It's been great talking to you, no problem. Take
care of yourself, look after, enjoy your time in America. Thank you,
right best wish you to Yeah, thank you. Yeah, there we
are. That's Wayne Seedon. Thank you Wayne. See you in so Okay
Rights next week. There's another show which is a normal scheduled date show which
should have been on this week, but as I'm trying to catch up when
we're running behind, it's on next week now, you said this week,
so I'll be keeping up with it all and my guest will be Nando Disario.
Nando has his own podcast and he does paranormal investigations. I'm looking forward
to putting that show out for you, but of course there's always in between
now and then. If you'd like to get in touch with me at anytime,
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