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Mmm, hello everyone. It is
Tuesday, July the seventh, twenty fifteen.

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Jason Strikers shaking his head over there, and I'm excited. I'm configuration.

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Yeah, like the music of your
voice. Seven seven seven seven seventy

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seven Scotch and seven Spirit of seventy
what don't make scotch? Why? Because

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people told me that I'm not supposed
to mix scotch with anything? Who told

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you that? I don't know the
internet like all of them? Well,

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what's the seven and seven? Then? Yeah, it's it's scotch and seven

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scott sodas. Yeah, yeah,
like people do that and I thought that

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was okay, but I guess not. Anyway, the more you pay for

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your scotch, the less you should
mix it. That's it's just called scotch

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and soda. They don't they don't
specify what the soda is. Seven and

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seven up? Okay, right?
Is that a Scotch? Sea grooms?

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Uh? Remember the sea Grooms of
wine coolers? Remember the song It's no

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Bartles and James Golden wine Cooler.
You don't know where we're going with You're

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losing me. Sorry, I do
remember now that you started singing, and

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I'm like, yes, I do
remember that. Yeah, good, I'm

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with you. Jeffersman is a wine
cooler historian. It's true. Tell me

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everything's special. Brew, while not
quite a wine cooler, is a flavored

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fruit, flavored malt beverage that was
big in the mid nineties pop quiz.

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What's the abv uh? It's probably
yeah, I really, I don't say

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it's in six what range? That
sounds like a waste of time, sixty

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eight something like that. Tell me
everything you know about it's meant for underage

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kids. We can buy those in
like actual two leader bottles. Yeah,

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it's it's like a you know,
a fruity malt beverage my first hangover.

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Yeah, it's like it's more than
a wine cooler, but still legally allowed

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adolescent level of something like okay,
yeah, tell me everything you know about

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Boone's farm. It's you could do
it. You could do worse. The

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come in a box. No,
No, it's farms bottled. They do

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a fuzzy navel that I've had a
couple of times. It's the sort of

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thing where it's low enough that you
could really just kind of chug the whole

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bottle. Yeah, like the sickly
sweetness of it is what's going to get

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you before any of the alcohol does, just get it over your system.

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These are high school drinks for kids
that don't know any better, that shouldn't

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be drinking in the first place.
On Mad Dog twenty twenty. Yeah,

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so that's like a harsh version of
I guess the Boone's farm is that we're

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gonna special brew. That's that's a
that's a fortified wine getting into malt territory,

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right, I believe is what they
call it. Yeah, Mad Dog

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and Cisco are kind of in the
same boat in terms of paint thinnerest,

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thinnerness lovely, like you could strip
some fucking paint off shit with a bottle

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of Cisco, buff out some scratches
in your car. Yep. Yeah,

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strew scandal and coming straight out the
Eurozone. That's right, I'm over here,

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you plane gyros plankababs. You can
revert back to your native currency anytime

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soon. Yeah, okay, head
into the dong Zone. I'm Brad Shreemaker.

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Hello Happy seventh. You said it
all right, I know, I

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know, I'm just saying Airport seventy
seven's good movie. Yeah, yeah,

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the airport movies or what airplane was
parading, parading, Yeah, and there

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were so many of them they started
just putting the year at the end.

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I think Airport seventy seven was where
the plane crashed underwater but stayed intact.

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Okay, that makes sense, the
turn into a turn into a coral reef.

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Maybe I don't remember if they got
off or not after decades. There

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was actually in that movie there was
a in the plane. It was like

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a luxury plane and there was a
cocktail pong cabinet on the plane. On

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the plane mane, Yeah, for
sure, absolutely, Yeah, we all

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survived, I guess. Yeah,
although h field that I should point out

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that Dan Reicherts or whereabouts are on
account four. Yeah, we have no

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idea because of now on a plane
underwater. He kept texting me with photos

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like updates. It's like, oh, man, you would liked it here

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and they had like a street Fighter
two Rkade having it at the cabin and

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I'm like fuck and then the text
message is mysteriously stopped. Yeah, thank

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god. So we cannot say that
our collective Fourth of July was safe and

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saying no, mine was very much
not safe. Oh yeah, yeah,

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it would like we had a pretty
chill day, just kind of sat on

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the couch, like I watched a
lot of like in a Jaws for whatever

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reason, because that was what was
on TV. I got. I got

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Sling by the way, Oh okay, how that is that working out better

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than PlayStation view? Yeah? Way
work it. Sling is the one on

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xbox box Okay. Yeah, so
that's like twenty bucks a month. We

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get a thirty day trial anyway,
So yeah, chill to watch Jaws.

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Jaws is a summer movie. Yeah
it is. Yeah, great, one

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is super good. Jos never seen
it. I couldn't tell you. Is

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that the one with Shamo I forget? I think it's the third one.

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Yeah, that's three three D and
they had those like you a post production

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three D shows too. It's pretty
much just the same thing as Jaws,

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okay, except there are two t
Rexes. Yeah excellence. Uh so yeah,

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did July fourth? What do we
do? Jaws had dinner with Rory

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and then we're like, we're super
tired. We're just gonna go home.

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H not gonna see any fireworks.
We've seen him before. They don't really

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change that much. Yeah they know, but as soon as we got back

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to our I don't know man,
you see one of those ones that it

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explodes in it's a happy face.
No, yeah, where do they have

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those? Yeah? I got those
hot class back in the seventies. Yeah

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exactly, but no, there were
four fireworks shows at each corner of our

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fucking apartment building. Like these are
all like completely illegal fire to say,

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it's not so much a fireworks shows, it is people with some shit,

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yes, like big time stuff in
our building is like, you know,

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shaped like an L so all the
sound like echoes throughout that chamber, right,

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and it sets off all of the
car alarms so like on each corner

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of the buildings like a musical companyment. It was. It was really annoying

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after a while. Lisa was just
losing her her mind, though she thought

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it was hilarious. But yeah,
after about forty five minutes of just car

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alarms and explosions, it's like a
right, the novel two war off here

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we are in oak in Oakland.
Yeahkly for you, Jeff, what did

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you get out to? Nothing?
I don't know, absolutely nothing, No,

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not really. It was a pretty
overcast up north, so you know,

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not a great aerial fireworks display sort
of weather scenario. And uh,

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Spedaloma have its own show, like
officially sanctioned shows. I actually looked it

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up this year for the first time
because it had been at Lucassey Park,

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which is where the tennis courts are. Uh. And then at some point

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they moved it over to the fair
grounds. Uh. And then I looked

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it up. In the fairgrounds were
like they were like charging admission. It

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was like you could go sit in
the stands where they do the demolition derby,

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or you could just watch the fire
or stand somewhere else. You're sitting

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your car across the street. Yeah, yeah, and and watch them from

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there if you want. I guess
you know it's and and it's some bands

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played, and they had some like
local breweries here with some beers. But

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you know, uh yeah, no, fog Hat fog Hat played. No.

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I I don't. I did not
recognize. Oh the Killer Queen's played

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Girl Queen Cover. I believe,
And you know, no, I mean,

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if you want, you know,
if you want to see the acts,

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if you want to see nationally touring
acts, you have to go to

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the fair where Tanya Tucker played The
Beach Boys, all right, and the

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Tower of Power. You know,
you if you want to see Tower Power,

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here's a fucking tip for you.
Come to the Pedal of Affair because

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they're gonna fucking be there. If
you want to see tower Power play,

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they're gonna be every fucking year without
fail. Any night Ranger, No,

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no night Ranger. This year the
fair I went to Berlin was playing that

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nice blue oyster cole the show up. Not this year. I saw a

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dog star deep purple at the pedalum
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Yes, wow, I was.
I was desperately trying to figure out if

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that was Kiana Reeves band or Jared
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an actor's band. It was just
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marquee thing. It was just like, there's this stage over to the side

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and then this band's gonna play that
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the entrance we took to get into
where the demolition derby was and you got

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to have that moment of looking at
going huh, Keihana Reeves will see there?

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He was there? Crazy? What
does he plays guitar? I guess

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I would have thought he played bass. Sure, I don't know why No,

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and you look and see the well, that's totally that guy from the

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Matrix, Speed two looking down out
of the crowd, Speed one and two,

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Speed one and two. You returned
for the sequel, and then then

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we went and saw The Demolition Derby, which was way more interesting than those

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are always fun best Keyati Reves movie. I like Speed a lot. I

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think the Matrix was okay the first
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staying with Point Break? I've never
seen It's all right, man, I

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was. I was kind of problems
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don't have a love for it the
way a lot. Yeah. I was

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kind of shocked when the trailer came
out for that remake, like the amount

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of reverence people were just playing for
the original. I was like, wait,

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really, like where were you guys. It's a dumb it's a dumb

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fucking movie. Like but it's but
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Uh. It seems like most people
have met like just love or hate it,

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just opposite ends of the see.
I'm just I'm kind of like whatever,

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Like I'm like, yeah, it's
it's okay. I like Bill and

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Ted's excellent adventure quite a bit.
Yes, what about the second one?

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No, yeah, I'm not a
fan. No, I have thought Focus

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Journey was too much. It was
it was not? Nope, not,

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but that ends all right. Eighties
time travel movies Bill, Ted or Back

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to the Future Time cop I mean
Man dark Horse answer the Terminator. That's

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I mean, I don't really think
that time like a Terminator time travel movie,

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Time Bandits for me, Time Bandits. That's probably eighties time Chasers,

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Mystery science theater. Mkay. I
like Bill and Ted a lot. Yeah,

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that is super good. It's a
good movie. I think Back to

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the Future. I think those are
like better movies, but there may be

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a little less fun. They don't
count, all right. Peanut gallery is

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spoken. I don't know done.
I could take it or leave it whatever.

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All right? True? What did
you do this weekend? I barbecue?

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Got a shared deck? Yeah,
spent some time in the sun,

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shared barbecue. No very nice?
Yeah, so do you just have a

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like a I got your classic Weeber? Okay, but the deck, Yeah,

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you said that's a shared deck?
Is a ground level? Uh No,

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it's elevated up off the street away
from the river. Nice. That

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was like a balcony almost. Yeah, so back in Georgia, we could

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not do that. You could not
put a little grill out on your deck

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if it was elevated. Yeah,
you had to have it like in a

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thirty feet away from a building or
something like that. Mine's right next to

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it. That's amazing and I'm super
jealous about. I don't know if it's

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legal, probably not. But hey, how does the deck sharing work?

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Because like, like the deck mom
gets the deck most of the time,

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but then every other weekend you're out
there, right. I think it's just

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first come, first serve, or
like you walk out there and oh you're

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here too. I guess we'll just
be next to each other. Does that

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lead to any weird mingling of social
situations? Hi? You want to beer?

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You got Oh you're got your own
cooler? Okay, all right?

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Well see and do you have like
it is it like a sliding glass door

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that leads out onto the deck.
It's just a dori yah. Yeah.

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Yeah. But it's a small enough
building. There's only like eight units,

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so yeah. And there's a lot
of families too, so it's not like

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everyone's always out there on the deck. Do you have a lot of people

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over occasionally. Yeah, do the
do the neighbors think that you're the weird

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quiet one. I don't think that
you're the new weird quiet one. I'm

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just I'm just curious, like like
the people upstairs or people upstairs are the

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weird quiet ones. But they're also
not really because I never see them.

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But there has to be like eight
of them in the apartment because I think

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constantly make noise. That's it's like
or there's like a gazelle just loose up

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there. Because there's there's always those
weird people in the apartment building. Oh

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yeah, I'm not saying that you're
you're you're a weird one, but oh

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I'm a weird one. You are
kind of a weird one. I was

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not the weird one. I was
walking outside as I do at night sometimes

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to do things, and there was
a neighbor out there and he recognized me

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by my foot and steps. He
said, I could tell it was you

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by the sound of your walk.
Oh, you're the tall guy. I

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mean, I don't know how to
feel about that. Well, there is

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that consideration because you are tall.
You know, your legs are longer.

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Sure, you may have a auditorially
distinct gait. Is it that different than

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because now I'm super self conscious about
it. Now I start weird. You

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should start skitching around the apartment.
I should. Oh he knows you from

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your walk because he lives below you. No, oh, he does not

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know he I've met him before.
It's actually the same guy that sold me

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the scooter. God damn him.
Are you sure this guy's in stalking you?

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That's what his wife said. And
you know, I try to play

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it off like, oh wow,
is he coming? Oh hark, I

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hear Jason, And but now it
was it was really weird. Gotta get

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out of the building. I think
so. But yeah, he's he's the

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weird one. He's the weird quick
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I don't tell people I know their
walks. Okay, good, okay.

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I did also go to the fair, and there's a fair in Alameda.

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Alameda County Fair is in Pleasanton look
confusing. But they had deep fried shrimp

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breaded with captain crunch with a sweet
saracha shrimp crunch. I told, nope,

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those sound like three things I don't
want to eat. You I ate

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all of it. Yeah, it
was Would you do it again? Shrimp

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and the sauce. Sure, but
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to get at the fair that was
a deep Fred Snickers bar. Yes,

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oh god, yes, you haven't
tried that. I don't know that.

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I well know, I have had
it like once. It is like it

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was never. That was never.
That was the only place you could get

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though. Yeah, that was never
a part of the fair experience, a

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revelatory experience, like the chocolate on
the outside of the bar sort of diffuses

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out into the dough, right,
yeah, as it as it melts.

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Yes, good stuff, sounds great, highly recommended. Yeah, I love

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fair food. Now. We used
to go to the fair for corn dogs.

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That's about it food wise. More
corn dogs. Let's get some more

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goddamn corn dogs. Live a little
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like you couldn't just fucking go get
corn dogs, man. Well really,

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yeah, it was the time old
argue, you know, you just could.

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There were like Costco didn't really exist
around there. Nobody, nobody was

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making dog so I have no fucking
idea they were everywhere. This would be

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in the mid eighties. This sounds
crazy, But until like the Schwan's Man

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started servicing our neighborhood. But you
couldn't get you know, like I had

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never seen a corn dog outside of
the fair. Who's the schwans Man?

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Schwans Man? What Schwan's is a
truck service frozen foods, much like a

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milkman or would or like an icecream
like an ice cream man for meats,

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and they ordered off. Yeah,
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you would. You would say,
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would come back the next week with
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the side of the Yeah, they
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And you'd run out there and go
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more of these like a cup of
gold ice cream bars or whatever the hell

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there. So you got a corn
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Something like that. Man, that's
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corn dogs once once that started happening, there were never not corn dogs.

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I found one at the fair.
I had a bite of a It was

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a corn dog, but instead of
like hot dog, inside of the casing

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within the corn dog, it was
lobster. That's not okay. It was

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not okay. Strange wait, it
wasn't good. No, it was like,

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well, it may have been a
little bit of lobster, but I

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think the rest of it was full
of like imitation crab or whatever. It's

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just like this weird gelatinous pink seafood
that doesn't sound done. Yeah, that

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actually sounds terrible. Would not reckon? Well, do they do cheese on

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a stick at the at the hot
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You couldn't find it like fried cheese, could not find it's fried cheese.

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Yeah, it's it's it's a they'll
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they'll bread it in the corn dog
breading and dip it in just like that.

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And those are cheese curds. Yeah, I'm more or less. Yeah,

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I'm not a stick. But they're
I mean they're not quite curt.

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They're not quite They're a little more
goopy. Okay, they're not nugget size.

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No, no, no, no, they're corn. It's a corn.

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It's on a stick. Oh sure, Okay. I always find it

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weird when things get batter than fried
that are prone to melting quickly, you

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know, like cheese, like ice
cream, like you hear about deep fried.

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This is weird. Does the batter
just like hold it together long enough

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to sort of form a shape,
I guess. So the batter hardens just

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fast enough to keep the cheese from
getting out unless something fucks up, and

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then you got cheese in your in
your oil. Then you've got a containment

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breech. Yeah you react or critical, Yeah, pretty much. You see

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you off main engineering, you fucking
roll into the door closing before that cheese

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gets everywhere. So I had a
slice of deep fried pineapple. That sounds

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like it's probably great. It was
tremendous. Yeah, that sounds good.

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Yeah, but I think like the
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it did not last for very long
after I was holding it, Okay,

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yeah, because it would just you
know, the breading would just kind of

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slide off, so you had to
really eat it hurry. Had deep frined

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Peb and j at the State Fair. They were very well known for their

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weird concoctions over there, and uh, I miss it, I really do.

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But yeah, that Pebe and jep
fried super good. Not good.

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We've talked off and on about getting
a friar in here. You know,

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you got to replace the boil like
everything everything about it. Having so that's

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you know, who's gonna take care
of that? Like, you know,

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there was the it was the cash
twenty two of having like a freezer full

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of corn dogs is that you were
microwaving them so they were rubbery and it

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was not there. It was not
the fair corn dog of your you were

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getting. It was just like here
you go. I mean it's technically a

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corn dog. I'm technically gonna eat
this entire box, but I'm not gonna

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like it hypothetically, So you know, you kind of gotta take what you

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can get. Sure, as with
most things, yep, as with video

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games, I mean sure, I'm
not what are you gonna do? You

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can go out there and make your
own yes, oh yeah, okay,

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and then five years later, I'm
gonna do an indiego go, that's right,

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and then release that baby to get
finished. Jeff, did you make

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any time for video games? Yeah? You know, but like there's yeah,

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I did. There's this hot game
called trek Mania two Stadium that I've

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been playing. Yes, we finished
off last week with just such a game.

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We did, Yeah, and I
kind of spent some more time over

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the weekend playing it. And it's
still a great game. I think people

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are still making tracks for that thing
changed in the drive home. Nope,

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No, I still had that itch
watching you play it. Yeah, like

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I want to. I want to
be playing this right now. Ten bucks,

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I got a new itch and I
bought it. Yeah. I played

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a little this weekend as well.
Had you played any track Mania before?

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I had not. Aren't you coming
in on the tail end of like the

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Mania planet regime though? I guess
so? So I did some reading.

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Man, holy shit, catch this
up, Jeff. So. Track Mania

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Turbo is due out later this year. It's coming for PS four and PC

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and other stuff. It's kind of
Morpha support and it's from the d Yeah,

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it's it's it's a new game coming
out. They've got they they've got

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a track maker that'll make its own
tracks for you in that game. It's

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what they showed at E three.
Yeah. So there's an interview or you

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know, there's like kind of an
update from like the guy at Nadeo is

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the development studio responsible for all of
track Mania that is now owned by Ubisoft.

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And like his description of Turbo and
like how it fits into everything is

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like crazy because I look at it
and go like, oh man, finally

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a new track Mania, everyone will
move to that one, and then that'll

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solve the problem of all the weird
Mania Planet stuff. Because Mania Planet is

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like a front end for four different
games that are sold separately and on Steam.

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There's a thing where you know,
like you know, it has to

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quit all the way out and launch
the new one. Like the Mania Planet

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stuff is not seamless there if you
buy it directly from them, it's a

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little bit of a cleaner experience.
But also it served to split the user

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base in four different games. Yeah, because it wasn't just like TrackMania and

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shoot Mania. It was like three
differentia and one shoot Mania, and it's

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you know, and so track MANI
has always had its different environments, you

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know, the canyon, valley,
all that stuff kind of existed in TrackMania

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one terms as well, and track
Mania two kind of held to that more

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or less, and but in a
way that like you know, like in

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the track Madia one times, Stadium
rose to the top because it was free

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and it was ad supported. There
were always ampm ads on the start and

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finish blocks saying like hey man,
the hot dogs are on sale. Yeah

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yeah, and I would look at
it and go like I could go for

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some mot dogs. Are there ampms
around here? Yes, I know where

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one is. I've only ever seen
an AMPM in Japan. Oh okay,

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really, I see them in northern
California most Yeah. Yeah, I used

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to live close to one as well. And anyway, Madia plan it is

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kind of a mess because, yeah, they would release these different environments and

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people would move from game to game, but it would be like the old

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games, would we get abandoned?
And you know, it's a game that

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thrives on uh you know, users
creating tracks for them on a consistent basis

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and when you move from game to
game. And then originally they didn't have

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a way to kind of combine the
environments onto one server. Yeah, they

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do so that that maybe makes it
a little bit easier if you own all

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the segments. But once upon a
time, those like mods, those community

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you know, created things where they
compatible with other No, because the handling

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and stuff is locked to the game
itself. Canyon handles different than stadium because

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stadium is a is a like an
F one car can a bit more drifty.

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I'm slowly getting this. And so
no matter what car model you use,

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if you're modding in car like they
all hand identically, because that's the

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whole point of track Maniaser is that
it's all the cars are identical stock stock

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cars. So yeah, you don't
really make some match along those lines.

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It's kind of a pure time trial
sort of thing where everyone has the exact

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same thing, even if your car
happens to look like Sonic the Hedgehog.

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Right, but you know you can
kind of do that, especially especially if

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your car looks like Sonic the Hedgehog. So you know, they split the

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user base into all this stuff,
and the whole thing was just clunky and

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not not the easiest thing in the
world to understand. Now, I would

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actually recommend, like just go spend
the ten dollars on Stadium or download it

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for free because there's a free demo
that lasts through the end of September or

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something, uh, and play that
because Stadium is the environment that anyone can

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hairs about. Because it was the
free one last time around, it still

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free. You can go play original
track Mania Nations or whatever for free,

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I think, and you know it's
the environment that people care about. So

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track Mania Turbo coming along if you're
like, oh, this will be like

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one unified product it's gonna have multiple
environments in it, but shipping is one

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product. Hopefully it'll kind of solve
all these problems. It'll make something that's

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very easy for people to get into
and not split it and do all this

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weird front end nonsense and all this
other stuff. That's the dream. Yeah,

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that's the dream. I look at
it and go like, okay,

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everyone will move to this. Mania
Planet will be written off as like a

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dismal like like if someone had a
brilliant idea that didn't didn't work in modern

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times because steam exists and all this
other stuff, it just doesn't it's not

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needed. But this interview is like, you know, there's like a Q

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and A with like the producer and
he's like, you know, TRACKMANI Turbo

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is going to be the thing we
use to kind of take it to the

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next step, take it to the
world, but Mania Planet will always be

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for us, like implying like all
the existing track Mania fans like, yeah,

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yes, will build here, And
I was like, you fucking lunatics,

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what are you? Oh my god? So I don't know, man,

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It's it's a weird situation because like
track Mania has come to consoles before

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others that DS game came out on
the wheels and it's terrible, Like it's

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it's not the game you want at
all. So I'm actually not really convinced

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that the PS four version of a
track Mania game will matter because you need

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to be able to install a bunch
of server mods. You need to be

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able to, like, if the
game can't feed me shitty dubstep and like

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the most lunaceous user created tracks in
the world, then I'm not interested.

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The buck bumble theme. Yeah,
and and uh, that's what the PC

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version has in spades. So unless
they're building that game to connect to the

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same servers, because all that stuffs
downloaded on the flaw, you don't go

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install mods generally speaking, unless they're
they're planning on the console versions to be

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kind of directly compatible with all that
server stuff. Nope, we just put

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it on a USB stick and then
pop it in before UT three on the

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PS three was perfect. Yeah,
hboard, but all that stuff is run

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by the server and then transmitted to
the players directly when they connect, so

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it could theoretically work that way.
But whatever. I mean, the game's

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coming out for PC, so who
cares. But the idea that they're not

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like going like, hey, everybody, we're moving forward. Track Mania Turbo

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is gonna take everything to the next
level for every track Mania player that they're

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like sitting near, like trying to
go like, yeah, man, Mania

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Planet, motherfucker's this is where the
fucking real shit happens. I can't articulate

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exactly why, but track Mania Turbo
seems like the Trial's fusion of track Mania

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to me, Yeah, okay,
does that make sense? Does that analogy

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play? I guess, I don't
know, but where it's just like,

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you know, they came under the
ub soft umbrella. Yeah, like they

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clearly have sort of struggled to figure
out exactly what the hell to do with

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Nadeo. Uh, and then Fusion
felt like the first Trials to me,

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where it was just like, all
right, well, they had to put

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out another Trials because now they're part
of the company, so they just have

404
00:25:59.680 --> 00:26:02.799
to keep making these things because they
sell, right, maybe maybe in any

405
00:26:02.839 --> 00:26:04.759
sense at all, that we have
to make a new one. I played

406
00:26:04.759 --> 00:26:08.119
a little bit of track Mania Turbo
at E three, and the main change

407
00:26:08.200 --> 00:26:12.079
is that it's like it looks nicer, like they put in a lot of

408
00:26:12.160 --> 00:26:17.400
work to kind of the visual like
their menus and a lot of the kind

409
00:26:17.440 --> 00:26:21.240
of overall style I think looks nice, uh, in a way that it

410
00:26:21.359 --> 00:26:26.319
hasn't looked before. It's always been
like like it runs in a high resolution.

411
00:26:26.359 --> 00:26:27.799
You know, the car models look
good and stuff like that, but

412
00:26:27.880 --> 00:26:33.359
a lot of the edges are very
kind of janky and busted looking. This

413
00:26:33.519 --> 00:26:36.279
looks like they're cleaning up that stuff
and you know, maybe they got some

414
00:26:36.359 --> 00:26:40.400
visual designers in there. Uh.
That's kind of how I felt about Fusion.

415
00:26:40.480 --> 00:26:41.880
Yeah, you know, like it
was definitely the best presented of those

416
00:26:41.960 --> 00:26:45.759
games, but like it kind of
lost some of the sort of the jankie

417
00:26:45.799 --> 00:26:48.640
charm that it used to have.
Maybe. Yeah, and yes, I

418
00:26:48.039 --> 00:26:52.519
yes, I agree with you that
Fusion lost like all of its charm.

419
00:26:52.519 --> 00:26:55.839
Like I like Fusion, but it's
not it's a good game. It's not.

420
00:26:56.119 --> 00:26:57.640
For sure, it's not as good, but some of it is just

421
00:26:57.720 --> 00:27:00.799
you know, diminishing returns after like
the fourth game has come out or whatever.

422
00:27:00.960 --> 00:27:06.480
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, so
yeah, I'm curious to see what

423
00:27:06.599 --> 00:27:10.160
this thing ends up actually being and
when it when it comes out, because

424
00:27:10.279 --> 00:27:11.960
you know, when I looked at
it, like I think they were showing

425
00:27:12.000 --> 00:27:15.880
it running on a PS four,
But like I saw some stuff in there

426
00:27:15.920 --> 00:27:18.680
that looked like the PC spectator controls
and some of the other stuff that like

427
00:27:18.880 --> 00:27:22.880
looks like old track Mania like kind
of still in there. And they even

428
00:27:22.960 --> 00:27:25.960
they even kind of like I'm in
the rest of this Q and A.

429
00:27:26.039 --> 00:27:29.440
They kind of make it sound like
it's just the same framework with some stuff

430
00:27:29.480 --> 00:27:32.119
slept and they're pretty it up.
Yeah, that's fine, Like you don't

431
00:27:32.160 --> 00:27:34.359
need to fucking do anything to track
Mania other than you know, unleash it

432
00:27:34.519 --> 00:27:40.839
upon more unsuspecting pools, uh for
it to be great. But uh,

433
00:27:41.000 --> 00:27:45.400
yeah, I don't know. I'm
really curious. Apparently existing track Mania two

434
00:27:45.759 --> 00:27:49.720
does have some kind of like cobbled
together oculus support already, so god,

435
00:27:49.799 --> 00:27:55.880
there are theoretically already people playing track
Mania and VR do that. Yeah,

436
00:27:55.920 --> 00:28:00.519
I mean it'll have morphias support on
PS four, So yes, I do

437
00:28:00.680 --> 00:28:03.240
want to do that because I want
to know where the line is. Yeah,

438
00:28:03.400 --> 00:28:07.799
we talked, we talked about this
that you want to go measuring stick

439
00:28:07.880 --> 00:28:11.079
like you already know you're not supposed
to go that far, but it's like

440
00:28:11.359 --> 00:28:14.880
we need some hard evidence you want
it. You want to enter the incontinent

441
00:28:15.039 --> 00:28:18.279
Valley. Yes, I want to
know what happens when things go all the

442
00:28:18.359 --> 00:28:26.759
way south the Chuck Yeager pants pooping. Have they said anything about whether this

443
00:28:26.880 --> 00:28:30.119
game is coming out at retail?
Where is this a download? I don't

444
00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:34.680
actually know, because I love the
idea of a track Menia game sitting on

445
00:28:34.759 --> 00:28:38.519
a shelf in like a Walmart or
somewhere. We've done it before some unsuspecting

446
00:28:38.640 --> 00:28:45.279
consumer walks up like DS yeah,
exactly, yes, totally too much,

447
00:28:45.559 --> 00:28:48.880
get it unleashed on. But also, like, you know, it's one

448
00:28:48.880 --> 00:28:52.000
of those things where like they showed
it running on PS four and they were

449
00:28:52.039 --> 00:28:56.119
like showing like some single player stuff, and you's like, that's I mean,

450
00:28:56.759 --> 00:28:59.279
like okay in terms of like seeing
how the cars look and seeing how

451
00:28:59.319 --> 00:29:02.960
these blocks fit to other, like
cool, But at no point do I

452
00:29:03.119 --> 00:29:06.079
want to play any of the single
player offering of any track Mania game,

453
00:29:06.160 --> 00:29:11.000
Like, it's not why you're there. So it's sometimes I wonder if the

454
00:29:11.039 --> 00:29:15.039
people that make track Mania truly understand
what they're doing or what they have the

455
00:29:15.200 --> 00:29:19.160
magic that they have to the true
magic of what they have at this point,

456
00:29:19.200 --> 00:29:22.559
they have to know because like there's
a weird esports community around that thing,

457
00:29:22.680 --> 00:29:26.160
like there are legitimate tournaments and like
money changing hands, Like there's ESL

458
00:29:26.359 --> 00:29:33.160
stuff for fucking track Media two and
I think that's fucking ridiculous and bullshit,

459
00:29:33.279 --> 00:29:36.960
but whatever, who cares? Like
fine, Like I can still drive on

460
00:29:37.000 --> 00:29:40.359
the tracks that are made for those
things and go These tracks are maybe a

461
00:29:40.400 --> 00:29:44.759
little not not as crazy as I
like, but they're still all right,

462
00:29:44.799 --> 00:29:48.680
They're still well made. But I
feel like that the people you know that

463
00:29:48.799 --> 00:29:52.039
there's a lack of understanding sometimes I
don't know. I would love to talk

464
00:29:52.079 --> 00:29:55.640
to those developers and get a sense
for like, yeah, and I have

465
00:29:55.799 --> 00:29:57.599
talked to them before track Mania two
came out, like they were at a

466
00:29:57.720 --> 00:30:02.599
Ubisoft Pree three events. Kind I'm
sure some of the core guys like they

467
00:30:02.680 --> 00:30:04.559
know, they understand their audience.
There was a bit of a there was

468
00:30:04.599 --> 00:30:08.400
a bit of a language barrier.
They're French, so it wasn't I couldn't

469
00:30:08.440 --> 00:30:11.319
just go like, your game's fucking
crazy. And that's the best part about

470
00:30:11.359 --> 00:30:15.319
it is that you are out of
your minds, or at least the people

471
00:30:15.319 --> 00:30:18.160
who play it are right, are
you with me? And they're just like,

472
00:30:18.359 --> 00:30:22.480
yeah, what, I don't know, we make a driving game,

473
00:30:22.559 --> 00:30:25.920
thank you? Like no you don't
get it, you're out of your fucking

474
00:30:25.960 --> 00:30:29.000
month. They would be the last
to know, wouldn't. Yeah. I

475
00:30:29.000 --> 00:30:30.480
mean, I guess that's the beautiful
thing, right if they were fully self

476
00:30:30.519 --> 00:30:34.759
aware. Yeah, you can't ruin
it all. But I don't know,

477
00:30:34.880 --> 00:30:38.000
man, Yeah, yeah, I
got what cut two three more months,

478
00:30:38.079 --> 00:30:41.559
we'll find out. Yeah, yeah, we'll find out something that far away

479
00:30:41.680 --> 00:30:44.680
fall. It's like I keep forgetting. They're just like, like you say,

480
00:30:44.720 --> 00:30:45.799
a game coming out and fall,
and like that might as well be

481
00:30:45.880 --> 00:30:49.079
next year, but nope, no, it's almost here. It's coming at

482
00:30:49.160 --> 00:30:52.640
you. Yeah. So I don't
know. I played some of that and

483
00:30:52.680 --> 00:30:56.079
then I don't know. I just
kind of messed around with a bunch of

484
00:30:56.079 --> 00:31:00.440
older something finmus I don't know.
You tell me if you fall into this.

485
00:31:00.160 --> 00:31:06.440
So I start games of Super Mario
World maybe two or three times a

486
00:31:06.519 --> 00:31:11.880
year from the beginning, and play
the first few levels of it, and

487
00:31:11.920 --> 00:31:14.720
then say, man, I should
really play through all of super Mario World

488
00:31:14.759 --> 00:31:18.039
again, and then never do drop
it, and then come back like six

489
00:31:18.160 --> 00:31:19.759
or eight months later and go,
man, I should play through all of

490
00:31:19.839 --> 00:31:25.640
super Mario World. I kind of
do the same thing with a Symphony of

491
00:31:25.680 --> 00:31:29.519
the night, but I finish it, like yeah, once every like two

492
00:31:29.599 --> 00:31:30.319
years or so, I like I'll
pop it in. It's like, all

493
00:31:30.400 --> 00:31:33.680
right, here's my play through,
and then like you know, the next

494
00:31:33.720 --> 00:31:37.920
weekend, I'm done with it.
Yeah. I can't think of anything where

495
00:31:37.079 --> 00:31:41.480
you just kind of started up.
I feel that little bit of nostalgia and

496
00:31:41.519 --> 00:31:44.599
then it's like, shit, I'm
hungry, I gotta eat something. It's

497
00:31:44.680 --> 00:31:45.160
it's a lot of that. It's
like, well, you get to the

498
00:31:45.160 --> 00:31:48.480
first switch Palace and you're like,
well, it told me I could save

499
00:31:48.319 --> 00:31:51.519
I guess I could always That means
I could come back to it later,

500
00:31:52.039 --> 00:31:55.039
yeah, or you know beat the
first like world or whatever. They're like,

501
00:31:55.160 --> 00:31:56.720
I guess I could just come back
to this. And then the first

502
00:31:56.720 --> 00:32:00.279
time you get into that loop where
you've got to find the sea exit level

503
00:32:00.440 --> 00:32:02.480
yeah, and then first like ghost
house or whatever. Yeah, and then

504
00:32:02.480 --> 00:32:07.200
I forget how to do that,
and so that's it, and by then

505
00:32:07.200 --> 00:32:10.079
I've gotten minused out to fix,
right. So sure it's hard to like

506
00:32:10.400 --> 00:32:15.079
push yourself to complete it. Where's
the first red level? World two?

507
00:32:15.319 --> 00:32:19.640
The first level two? First level? Okay? Uh, But it's good

508
00:32:19.680 --> 00:32:22.319
that you don't overdo it because you
might like overdose on it. You'd be

509
00:32:22.400 --> 00:32:25.119
like wow, like that can't be
possible. Do you think that's what it

510
00:32:25.200 --> 00:32:28.920
is? Where they're like deep down
you're like, I don't want to get

511
00:32:28.960 --> 00:32:31.279
mad at this game because I love
it so much. I don't know if

512
00:32:31.480 --> 00:32:36.359
playing now, I'm sorry, Like
I feel like, you know, sometimes

513
00:32:37.160 --> 00:32:42.880
it's the ready accessibility of the game
and then the changing state of the emulation

514
00:32:42.920 --> 00:32:45.319
around it. Okay, it's like
it's always like there's always a new emulator

515
00:32:45.359 --> 00:32:49.839
to test out. Wait ah,
what do you mean it's like measuring stuff?

516
00:32:49.920 --> 00:32:52.160
Yeah, okay, and you find
yourself like going through the first few

517
00:32:52.240 --> 00:32:54.160
levels and it's like, I don't
you know, like I'm going to keep

518
00:32:54.200 --> 00:32:57.839
the save ram files somewhere in some
directory or something like that. Are you

519
00:32:57.920 --> 00:33:01.519
talking about, like like the the
accuracy you have different emulators changing, like

520
00:33:01.640 --> 00:33:06.640
you know, like I mean because
because you can't ends different ways to scan

521
00:33:06.880 --> 00:33:09.039
things into your collection, because you
can't do better than perfect. Right,

522
00:33:09.160 --> 00:33:14.559
It's true, you can't have they
not. Isn't simulation just like a solved

523
00:33:14.599 --> 00:33:16.319
thing at this point? Pretty much? Yeah, but there's always there's always

524
00:33:16.359 --> 00:33:19.920
that. So like retro Arch one
point two came out over the weekend,

525
00:33:20.119 --> 00:33:22.440
and like they've got a whole new, like XMB looking front end for it.

526
00:33:23.079 --> 00:33:27.960
Like it's slick and a really interesting
way. It's not quite where it

527
00:33:28.039 --> 00:33:30.119
needs to be, but it's getting
there. And like in terms of like

528
00:33:30.200 --> 00:33:34.079
ease of use, like you think
about emulators as a super arcane, fucking

529
00:33:34.160 --> 00:33:37.720
ridiculous thing. They're building this very
easy front end that's making it all very

530
00:33:37.759 --> 00:33:43.000
accessible and like it'll start to identify
we know what this game is when you

531
00:33:43.200 --> 00:33:45.079
when you go to load it up
or when you go to scan it end,

532
00:33:45.160 --> 00:33:46.799
or you don't have to set a
bunch of game specific things. Yeah,

533
00:33:46.839 --> 00:33:50.920
well you wouldn't have to do that
with it too much, like anyway,

534
00:33:51.000 --> 00:33:52.880
but yeah, what is it?
What is the lineage for retro Arch?

535
00:33:53.440 --> 00:33:57.039
Did that come from any other projects? No, I'm there's been so

536
00:33:57.160 --> 00:34:00.359
much stuff going on with and it's
a core base emulator. So basically like

537
00:34:00.480 --> 00:34:05.640
retro Arch is a front end for
something called lib retro, and it's that's

538
00:34:05.720 --> 00:34:09.320
just a like they're just making fat
dlll files that are emulators open source,

539
00:34:09.360 --> 00:34:14.079
taking other open source emulators and porting
them to lib retro so that they work

540
00:34:14.199 --> 00:34:19.039
in this kind of unified system and
then that gets pumped out to plenty of

541
00:34:19.400 --> 00:34:22.719
like Android systems. Oh, you
know, like all the different Raspberry pile,

542
00:34:22.760 --> 00:34:25.159
like a lot of different platforms.
Like you know, they're sitting there

543
00:34:25.199 --> 00:34:27.960
going like, oh, you know, you could technically run this on an

544
00:34:28.000 --> 00:34:30.719
iPhone or an Xbox three sixty,
Like we we build for that. You

545
00:34:30.800 --> 00:34:36.559
just have to do weird even weirder
ship to make it run. And that

546
00:34:36.719 --> 00:34:39.239
guy retro arch right here on my
phone. Yeah, you have an Android

547
00:34:39.239 --> 00:34:42.039
phone, so yeah, you can
just do whatever the fuck you want.

548
00:34:42.239 --> 00:34:45.280
You have the jail break to run
on an iPhone. Uh, And it's

549
00:34:45.320 --> 00:34:50.840
just it's fascinating stuff like as it's
just fascinating to watch that stuff like move

550
00:34:50.880 --> 00:34:54.199
along and and become like user friendly, you know what. Like people are

551
00:34:54.199 --> 00:34:57.199
starting to build more and more front
ends that are just like s meant to

552
00:34:57.239 --> 00:35:00.519
run on a TV instead of just
like you know, now I need to

553
00:35:00.599 --> 00:35:02.159
make this full screen, I need
to do this and load this and fire

554
00:35:02.280 --> 00:35:05.679
request this, and like, you
know, they're getting into the ease of

555
00:35:05.800 --> 00:35:12.960
use era of emulation and it's weirdly
fascinated. And yeah, so there's there's

556
00:35:13.039 --> 00:35:15.840
always something new to play. Super
Mario World on this basically where I'm saying.

557
00:35:15.880 --> 00:35:19.280
I see, I see where you're
coming from now. Yeah, and

558
00:35:20.199 --> 00:35:22.440
so it's it's weird. There are
people out there that make achievements for old

559
00:35:22.480 --> 00:35:27.280
games and what is that system called
retro achievements. Yeah, that stuff seems

560
00:35:27.920 --> 00:35:30.840
kind of amazing. Yeah, yeah, there are people doing amazing things amazing.

561
00:35:31.000 --> 00:35:35.559
Let's you know, the quasi legal
things around old video games. Who

562
00:35:35.599 --> 00:35:38.119
among us does not own Super Mario
World? Yeah, come on, I

563
00:35:38.159 --> 00:35:44.239
mean I it's actually at least I
have at least two I have dumped my

564
00:35:44.280 --> 00:35:46.079
own copy of it. Yeah,
you know, because I what you're playing.

565
00:35:46.199 --> 00:35:52.199
Yeah, you percent legit. Yeah. I bought one of the retroads

566
00:35:53.239 --> 00:35:57.199
with the Nest dapter and it is
not an adapter. It just dumps directly.

567
00:35:57.280 --> 00:35:59.639
And that's yeah, that's right.
Yeah. I was meaning to back

568
00:35:59.719 --> 00:36:02.880
up all I like RPG saves from
Supernaos games through that thing. I bring

569
00:36:02.960 --> 00:36:07.039
in what it if you want,
I should just do that on upf this

570
00:36:07.119 --> 00:36:12.039
week, bringing bring in, bringing
my chrono trigger in my fun Fantasy three

571
00:36:12.119 --> 00:36:15.239
and see if there are still saves
on there, bringing my flashback prototype and

572
00:36:15.320 --> 00:36:20.320
dump it. What do you think? Twenty to twenty twenty to twenty two

573
00:36:20.360 --> 00:36:22.159
years. Let's say for that range
of games, I think there's any data

574
00:36:22.280 --> 00:36:24.599
left. Yeah, probably, I
don't know, a lot of my games

575
00:36:24.679 --> 00:36:28.800
from that era still have perfectly working
bad cups, and I haven't done ship

576
00:36:29.079 --> 00:36:30.360
or I didn't replace the batteries or
anything, like I always thought it was

577
00:36:30.400 --> 00:36:34.840
like fifteen twenty years you were starting
to get pretty sketchy batteries still going.

578
00:36:35.039 --> 00:36:37.480
Yeah, I've been those things.
That stuff still seems to work. I

579
00:36:37.519 --> 00:36:39.400
don't know. Yeah, it's just
I don't know. That stuff has always

580
00:36:39.400 --> 00:36:44.960
fascinated me, so like I've always
dabbled in those sorts of things over the

581
00:36:45.079 --> 00:36:49.199
years. I'll see like a link, see like a progress report on certain

582
00:36:49.199 --> 00:36:51.679
emulators, like, oh, now
they'd release this, I should load it

583
00:36:51.760 --> 00:36:53.840
up and give it a shot.
Yeah, Dolphin, I check that out,

584
00:36:53.880 --> 00:36:55.599
and a lot of that stuff will
boot right, you know, real

585
00:36:55.760 --> 00:36:59.559
regular discs in a lot of cases
too, So you know, depending on

586
00:37:00.239 --> 00:37:01.760
you know, how you feel about
bio stumps and stuff like that, I

587
00:37:01.840 --> 00:37:07.599
guess. But you know, like
you can run Virtue of four Fight or

588
00:37:07.679 --> 00:37:12.599
four Evolution on a PC with a
PS two disc in the drive and then

589
00:37:12.719 --> 00:37:15.440
raise the resolution such that it still
looks pretty fucking nice. Yeah, seriously,

590
00:37:15.639 --> 00:37:21.280
man, this actually looks pretty good. Four it was a good one,

591
00:37:21.400 --> 00:37:22.519
right, yeah, yeah, yeah. Three is the one. Three

592
00:37:22.639 --> 00:37:25.320
is the one that I mean,
they're playing people that do like three.

593
00:37:27.199 --> 00:37:30.400
I do not like three, all
right. I totally know what you mean,

594
00:37:30.480 --> 00:37:31.880
though, Like just the kind of
you'd load up your ram, gets

595
00:37:31.880 --> 00:37:36.960
your ten minute nostalgia fix, yeah, and then you're like, I'm gonna

596
00:37:37.000 --> 00:37:40.719
do something else. Yeah, I
can't explain. It's almost like the easy

597
00:37:40.760 --> 00:37:45.000
accessibility of some of that stuff makes
it. Yeah, it trivializes like yeah,

598
00:37:45.199 --> 00:37:49.840
absolute, yeah, yeah, but
you can't. It sort of makes

599
00:37:49.880 --> 00:37:52.920
you feel less tached to it in
some way. I totally yeah, if

600
00:37:52.920 --> 00:37:54.320
I had to hook up a console
and go through all that arduous process,

601
00:37:54.320 --> 00:37:57.679
then I'd probably more likely go,
well, I went through all this fucking

602
00:37:57.719 --> 00:38:00.760
shit, you damn right them and
like I have an original Xbox hooked up

603
00:38:00.840 --> 00:38:02.480
right now. Gets even worse when
you can just like enable cheats on stuff,

604
00:38:02.480 --> 00:38:06.320
you know. Oh sure, like
if you're just plowing through something invincible.

605
00:38:06.440 --> 00:38:07.440
But that's you know, like I
think that there's something to be said

606
00:38:07.440 --> 00:38:09.480
for kind of like going back and
looking at a lot of that stuff,

607
00:38:09.519 --> 00:38:14.519
And that's why we started doing the
old games show is just to kind of

608
00:38:14.599 --> 00:38:15.840
look at like some of the later
levels of these games, you know,

609
00:38:16.000 --> 00:38:19.719
just like let's just plow through all
of thunder Fource three and just like look

610
00:38:19.719 --> 00:38:21.960
at some of this stuff, Like
look at this fucking fire. How cool

611
00:38:22.000 --> 00:38:24.639
this fire looks? Listen to the
rad music from Thunderfource three. Sure,

612
00:38:27.079 --> 00:38:29.639
also a format like that kind of
locks you in and said, you know,

613
00:38:29.960 --> 00:38:31.199
we're not gonna play this until we
get bored. We're gonna play this

614
00:38:31.320 --> 00:38:36.480
until like we see it, yeah, or at least like have a holistic

615
00:38:36.960 --> 00:38:38.800
view of it. Sure, Yeah, I got a plan, man,

616
00:38:39.039 --> 00:38:44.159
Yeah, sticking to it. There's
an archival quality to that. Show's got

617
00:38:44.239 --> 00:38:47.400
a document of the stuff someone asked
to after the bombs fall. After the

618
00:38:47.400 --> 00:38:52.480
bomb's fall, who else is going
to have an entire play through of thunder

619
00:38:52.519 --> 00:38:54.400
Fource three. Well after the bomb's
fall, someone's gonna have to generate it

620
00:38:54.519 --> 00:38:58.800
themselves off to piece together computer from
parts and find a USB stick that has

621
00:38:58.840 --> 00:39:00.599
every Genesis game ever made on it, because it's all that's gonna survive is

622
00:39:01.199 --> 00:39:10.039
that it's all be bad dumps.
Yes, No, what you find out

623
00:39:10.079 --> 00:39:14.880
when the file is unsealed, Drew, did you cram any video games or

624
00:39:14.920 --> 00:39:19.400
this weekend? Uh? Yeah,
a little bit. I started playing Mario

625
00:39:20.159 --> 00:39:25.760
and Puzzle and Dragons Yes, what
is that thing called Dragons Z? And

626
00:39:25.760 --> 00:39:30.199
then Puzzle on Dragons, Super Mario
Brother or something sever games. Yeah,

627
00:39:30.639 --> 00:39:35.400
I'm playing the Mario, the Mario
half good I had played. Uh,

628
00:39:35.840 --> 00:39:38.199
I had played the iPhone version just
a free game. Yeah, yeah,

629
00:39:38.239 --> 00:39:43.599
but there's there's a lot going on
there, you guys, not the best,

630
00:39:45.039 --> 00:39:46.199
but the kind of it's an actual
like free to play games, so

631
00:39:46.280 --> 00:39:50.159
there's like you a paid gates.
There's those hooks in there, and they

632
00:39:50.320 --> 00:39:53.079
like they tell you everything, like
how it all works, but uh,

633
00:39:53.599 --> 00:39:59.199
it's at a big dump up front, and then you don't really understand how

634
00:39:59.239 --> 00:40:02.079
you're supposed to use any of that, like the fusing and feeding other guys

635
00:40:02.159 --> 00:40:06.880
to other guys and leveling up skills
and stuff. Uh. Nintendo does what

636
00:40:07.079 --> 00:40:10.280
I had hoped they would do when
I heard this project was announced, which

637
00:40:10.280 --> 00:40:15.079
she's like yeah, and like lay
that stuff out and here's why you would

638
00:40:15.079 --> 00:40:19.000
want to do this. And so
far it's been great. I've played it

639
00:40:19.039 --> 00:40:21.840
for a few hours and I'm loving
it. Yeah. That game's yeah,

640
00:40:21.880 --> 00:40:23.519
super great, And yeah, Dan
was super into it as well, and

641
00:40:23.639 --> 00:40:25.840
I continue to play it. It's
a lot of fun, and I just

642
00:40:27.039 --> 00:40:30.639
I love the Nintendo like aesthetic about
it. Yeah, it tickles. Men't

643
00:40:30.639 --> 00:40:31.960
burnt out on it yet. I
thought Dan was saying that. He thought

644
00:40:32.079 --> 00:40:36.000
like, even though it's not actually
a free to play game with micro transactions,

645
00:40:36.000 --> 00:40:38.519
he was still hitting those humps where
or those like giant difficult spikes.

646
00:40:38.599 --> 00:40:43.039
Sounds like it gets like hard where
where it like it feels like reires you

647
00:40:43.119 --> 00:40:45.159
to grind. I think, yeah, he made it sound like you hit

648
00:40:45.239 --> 00:40:47.880
points where it feels like you're supposed
to buy your way through it, even

649
00:40:47.920 --> 00:40:51.960
though you can't actually do that.
I can I can see where the grinding

650
00:40:52.039 --> 00:40:55.119
thing would come in because you do
have to use like you go through the

651
00:40:55.119 --> 00:41:00.840
battle and you acquire allies, uh
like little guys to join your team,

652
00:41:01.639 --> 00:41:05.880
and you only acquire a few of
them if you do it all per level.

653
00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:10.800
And then when you use those allies
to feed them into your other teammates,

654
00:41:12.079 --> 00:41:15.880
you expend them, so they're gone
and those go pretty quickly, or

655
00:41:15.880 --> 00:41:19.559
they're going pretty quickly for me now. Yeah, and sometimes you'll need like

656
00:41:19.639 --> 00:41:23.400
items in order to fuse them properly
with other dudes to tell them their items

657
00:41:23.800 --> 00:41:28.039
are the right way. I guess
yeah, but they're like, I don't

658
00:41:28.039 --> 00:41:30.599
know that I could. I could. I haven't reached the point where that

659
00:41:30.760 --> 00:41:35.639
is happening yet, but I hope
that there's a good balance between like,

660
00:41:36.280 --> 00:41:37.719
yes, you have to grind a
little bit, but it's you know,

661
00:41:38.079 --> 00:41:42.960
by by earning these items to stuff
and buffing your guy up in the way

662
00:41:43.000 --> 00:41:44.920
that you want, you feel a
little more attachment to them, and it's

663
00:41:45.079 --> 00:41:47.679
it's satisfactory. But I would feel
those humps a lot more if I had

664
00:41:47.760 --> 00:41:52.280
like dug in and I was going
head first and just playing hour after hour.

665
00:41:52.639 --> 00:41:53.599
But the way that I play it
is, you know, a little

666
00:41:53.599 --> 00:41:57.079
bit before bed. You know,
it's perfect for that. Yeah, like

667
00:41:57.239 --> 00:42:00.000
five ten minutes, little chunks on
the bus bus game, I'm down,

668
00:42:00.960 --> 00:42:07.960
that's game and on the go.
Yeah. I also dipped into the free

669
00:42:08.280 --> 00:42:15.760
trial of the Early Act or preview
preview on Xbox one of Elite Dangerous.

670
00:42:15.880 --> 00:42:19.880
Yeah. So I actually didn't think
to ask you on the show, but

671
00:42:20.000 --> 00:42:22.920
were you showing on upf the like
whatever the demo that was the trial.

672
00:42:23.079 --> 00:42:27.039
That's not the full thing I had. I have not purchased anything, okay

673
00:42:27.119 --> 00:42:29.960
on the Xbox now, so you
can you can right now, you can

674
00:42:30.039 --> 00:42:31.960
go. I don't even know where
it is in the menu. I just

675
00:42:32.039 --> 00:42:37.079
searched for it in the Xbox Games
Store. Yeah, that store is kind

676
00:42:37.119 --> 00:42:39.199
of well, and it's weird because
it's like an early access thing. So

677
00:42:39.840 --> 00:42:45.719
Microsoft now has this early I forgot. They call it's preview something Xbox game

678
00:42:45.760 --> 00:42:49.639
preview. I think. Yeah.
I think it's just elite dangerous in the

679
00:42:49.719 --> 00:42:52.760
long dark. Right, did they
launch anything else yet? Oh? Yeah,

680
00:42:52.880 --> 00:42:55.440
nothing yet. Anyway, you can
download it and you have to create

681
00:42:55.519 --> 00:43:01.239
a free Frontier log, which is
the company that makes it. I don't

682
00:43:01.239 --> 00:43:04.360
know, it's weird anyway. You
can play for like an hour and a

683
00:43:04.400 --> 00:43:07.960
half or something, and then you
can also buy it for thirty one dollars

684
00:43:08.360 --> 00:43:14.519
or something. It seems to be
the full game. Uh, not dumbed

685
00:43:14.599 --> 00:43:16.760
down for console. I mean they've
had controller support for the PC version for

686
00:43:16.800 --> 00:43:22.920
a long time, so they've they've
really smartly mapped the controls to the Xbox

687
00:43:22.000 --> 00:43:25.519
controller. Yeah, it looked slick
watching you play it. Yeah, it

688
00:43:25.920 --> 00:43:29.519
runs fairly well. Look around the
cockpit with the stick and all that stuff.

689
00:43:29.559 --> 00:43:32.440
There's some hitchiness here and there,
but contingent with my experience on the

690
00:43:32.480 --> 00:43:37.159
PC. I don't know that game's
cool. I mean, you can go

691
00:43:37.239 --> 00:43:39.000
watch the quick look Jeff and I
did of it a few months ago.

692
00:43:39.239 --> 00:43:45.199
You know, are they at parody
feature wise? Yes, I don't think

693
00:43:45.239 --> 00:43:52.840
there's cross talk or that maybe planned. It's not an mml H. You

694
00:43:52.199 --> 00:43:58.000
are segmented off into your own server
with like you know, it's probably like

695
00:43:58.079 --> 00:44:01.440
one hundred people or something. I
don't know the exact number, but I

696
00:44:01.480 --> 00:44:04.599
don't know. It's a fun it's
a fun little game. I keep meaning

697
00:44:04.679 --> 00:44:07.320
to check that out. I just
don't know. Yeah, yeah, it

698
00:44:07.360 --> 00:44:09.639
seems like they've been supporting it well, plus got all the things that I

699
00:44:09.760 --> 00:44:16.480
like, space such as we have
space is cool, diverting powered systems like

700
00:44:16.559 --> 00:44:20.079
maybe you want to go faster and
you don't need your shields, so you

701
00:44:20.519 --> 00:44:23.559
yeah, trap your shields a third
or something. I don't know, engines.

702
00:44:23.639 --> 00:44:28.039
For whatever reason, I just like
haven't committed myself to sitting down and

703
00:44:28.079 --> 00:44:30.840
going through the tutorial here. I
actually downloaded the PC version and haven't launched

704
00:44:30.840 --> 00:44:36.840
it yet. The training, the
training, uh little missions they have are

705
00:44:36.960 --> 00:44:42.840
are decent. Some YouTube videos.
It's weird. Like in the it's very

706
00:44:42.880 --> 00:44:45.119
clearly just a straight up port from
the PC to the Xbox is. When

707
00:44:45.119 --> 00:44:50.480
you load it up, you can
there are links, uh next to the

708
00:44:50.519 --> 00:44:53.760
training missions like in the in the
the briefing that just if you click on

709
00:44:53.800 --> 00:44:58.360
them. In the Xbox version,
it just opens Internet Explorer to a YouTube

710
00:44:58.400 --> 00:45:01.119
page about the PC like with a
video of the PC version. That's good

711
00:45:01.159 --> 00:45:05.079
stuff. Uh. I don't know
that game. The game is wild.

712
00:45:06.280 --> 00:45:12.679
I just finished reading the the novella
that came with the original Elite It is

713
00:45:13.000 --> 00:45:17.320
free online posted by the author.
How old is that? Nineteen eighty four?

714
00:45:19.559 --> 00:45:22.159
Who's the Who's the Elite guy?
David Braben? I think that's yes,

715
00:45:22.280 --> 00:45:28.159
I think that's right, Yeah,
mister dangerous. Game's got some lineage,

716
00:45:28.639 --> 00:45:31.719
Yeah, totally for sure. It's
been around. And also there's a

717
00:45:31.840 --> 00:45:37.400
ton more Elite books, which I
meant there's a lot. You and Vinnie

718
00:45:37.440 --> 00:45:39.920
can split them up. Yeah,
maybe right one. When you're done there

719
00:45:39.960 --> 00:45:44.280
you go your own space adventures.
I read them in the original Polish,

720
00:45:44.599 --> 00:45:49.199
of course, all the way to
read them. Oh, Jason, yo,

721
00:45:49.400 --> 00:45:52.639
how's your Witcher going? Halted?
Yeah? We are halted? Yeah,

722
00:45:52.679 --> 00:45:58.000
since before E three, I've been
halted, okay, and I'm getting

723
00:45:58.039 --> 00:46:00.519
the itch ye, But yeah,
there's been a think that that's good,

724
00:46:00.719 --> 00:46:07.360
Yes, the itch getting up on
you. I wanted to ask because I

725
00:46:07.559 --> 00:46:12.239
came perilously close this weekend to feeling
like I could not return to that game.

726
00:46:12.480 --> 00:46:15.679
I've been that way with the previous
two games. Yeah, yeah,

727
00:46:15.719 --> 00:46:17.639
where there was like an extended break
and then I fell off of it and

728
00:46:17.679 --> 00:46:21.960
then I had to like restart it
much much later on, like the whole

729
00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:23.559
game. Yes, it does it
have been that long? Is it because

730
00:46:23.559 --> 00:46:28.159
of a story thing like I forget
where I'm in this quest? Or is

731
00:46:28.199 --> 00:46:30.119
it like that? How do I
play this game? Is it just like

732
00:46:30.199 --> 00:46:34.280
mechanically you're just like I don't I
just don't want to do this anymore.

733
00:46:34.360 --> 00:46:36.960
Yes, there was something more nebulous
about putting a game down for all.

734
00:46:37.039 --> 00:46:38.320
And it's been a solid month,
Like I looked at my safe file,

735
00:46:38.360 --> 00:46:40.119
you know, we had E three, We had a bunch of other stuff

736
00:46:40.159 --> 00:46:43.400
going on, like it just wasn't
able to play the game for a month.

737
00:46:43.480 --> 00:46:46.679
But it's not so much the story
as just like having to relearn mechanics

738
00:46:46.719 --> 00:46:50.079
that you forgot about, you know, it's a lot easier this one.

739
00:46:50.119 --> 00:46:52.039
Like in previous games you had to
like remember the combinations, you know,

740
00:46:52.119 --> 00:46:55.239
to make potions and stuff like that. So it's a little more stream It's

741
00:46:55.239 --> 00:46:59.519
relatively streamlined, but a lot of
it was like having just binged through Batman

742
00:46:59.559 --> 00:47:02.320
and then coming back to this where
like in Batman, the like the character

743
00:47:02.400 --> 00:47:06.880
movement, the combat, all that
stuff is just kind of like super precise.

744
00:47:07.039 --> 00:47:08.360
Like it's very well too. Did
you see that they are in fact

745
00:47:08.480 --> 00:47:12.800
patching the game again with another movement
change, So yeah, like some kind

746
00:47:12.800 --> 00:47:16.199
of optional quickly so quickly yes,
yes, so so to hurry through my

747
00:47:16.320 --> 00:47:20.639
riveting tail, I try to play
The Witch or three again, did not

748
00:47:21.000 --> 00:47:22.559
love it, gave it a day, got back into it, and it's

749
00:47:22.559 --> 00:47:27.599
like, all right now I'm in
came into work this morning. Here is

750
00:47:27.599 --> 00:47:31.199
another patch seemingly fixing all of the
remaining complaints I have about the game.

751
00:47:31.760 --> 00:47:35.679
Yeah, so now I want to
wait another few days until that patch comes

752
00:47:35.679 --> 00:47:37.440
out. Yeah. When that patch
hits, I am going to try their

753
00:47:37.639 --> 00:47:43.199
alternate movement option if that like makes
it feel any better. Form it's weird

754
00:47:43.239 --> 00:47:45.639
because they tuned to the movement a
little bit with one of those previous patches,

755
00:47:46.000 --> 00:47:49.360
but it's still not great. Like
I said, like Batman, the

756
00:47:49.440 --> 00:47:52.480
character movement is sublime, right,
like controls exactly like you wanted to.

757
00:47:52.679 --> 00:47:54.519
It's like Batman, It's like you're
Batman, Yes, you are the Batman.

758
00:47:54.719 --> 00:47:57.679
Yeah. So going back to this, it was just like, oh

759
00:47:57.920 --> 00:48:00.440
god, this feels like shit.
So I'm really curious to hear what this

760
00:48:00.559 --> 00:48:05.960
alternate movement scheme is. But but
it's this Patrick is way beyond that,

761
00:48:06.039 --> 00:48:10.480
like these inventorial zone levels of fucking
yeah, like not quite backpaling, man,

762
00:48:10.800 --> 00:48:13.559
I guess so. But like I
was like, all right, we're

763
00:48:13.559 --> 00:48:16.039
putting it an optional thing for some
A lot of people like it. How

764
00:48:16.079 --> 00:48:20.280
it is, right, some of
you. We want to listen to all

765
00:48:20.920 --> 00:48:22.840
some of you fucking people. I
mean, maybe they feel strongly about the

766
00:48:22.840 --> 00:48:25.360
way that the character movement is,
but so what you know, it'd be

767
00:48:25.480 --> 00:48:28.679
it would be easier to condemn them
if they didn't have such a history of

768
00:48:28.760 --> 00:48:34.119
doing this and just yeah, this
is great that they're doing it is,

769
00:48:34.719 --> 00:48:36.760
yes, it is, but but
some of the things they're fixing are just

770
00:48:36.880 --> 00:48:38.760
things that it should have shipped with, you know, like the inventory is

771
00:48:38.880 --> 00:48:43.719
still a disaster in that game.
It's terrible. Like there's a ton of

772
00:48:43.760 --> 00:48:46.800
inventory changes coming in this patch,
like sorting, like they're adding additional pages

773
00:48:46.920 --> 00:48:51.320
that that further kind of categorize stuff
because like as it is right now,

774
00:48:51.440 --> 00:48:53.639
everything you've ever picked up that you
can read is just mixed in with all

775
00:48:53.719 --> 00:48:57.639
the things you can use, and
they're in like a randomized order. It's

776
00:48:57.679 --> 00:49:01.480
so I've literally got thirty or forty
books and notes like cluttered among like potions

777
00:49:01.519 --> 00:49:05.440
I can use and stuff like it's
gonna be great noctout, Yes, absolutely,

778
00:49:05.599 --> 00:49:07.239
like by then, like maybe there'd
be one more patch. I too,

779
00:49:07.320 --> 00:49:09.199
was right, it was like you
know, you wait a good year

780
00:49:09.280 --> 00:49:13.960
until they put the tutorial in and
you know, then you'll see some mysterious

781
00:49:13.960 --> 00:49:16.559
ship. Yeah, until then.
That's totally the trajectory that this seems to

782
00:49:16.599 --> 00:49:19.719
be following. Like yeah, Drew, if you're actually interested in this game

783
00:49:19.800 --> 00:49:22.440
but are kind of holding off,
like yeah, I think you're almost think,

784
00:49:22.800 --> 00:49:24.519
I mean I am going to play
it for like game of the Year

785
00:49:24.559 --> 00:49:29.159
consider Yeah for sure. Yeah,
So I just it's up there like it

786
00:49:29.320 --> 00:49:31.400
is like if it weren't for all
these like nagging issues with it, Like

787
00:49:31.519 --> 00:49:34.840
it's easily a Game of the Year
contender, But like I was getting to

788
00:49:34.920 --> 00:49:37.440
that point where like when I got
back into it, I was no longer

789
00:49:37.480 --> 00:49:38.800
super invested in the story, you
know. So at that point all I

790
00:49:38.920 --> 00:49:43.320
was really contending with where like this
feels like shit, I can't find the

791
00:49:43.360 --> 00:49:45.480
thing I needed my inventory like that, Oh it just crashed. Yeah,

792
00:49:45.599 --> 00:49:49.480
like that stuff like a low point
in the story right now. So it's

793
00:49:49.519 --> 00:49:52.840
like I gotta go find dandelion.
Okay, you're you're you're further in than

794
00:49:53.079 --> 00:49:58.639
I am. But yeah, like
it it seems like more changes are coming

795
00:49:58.760 --> 00:50:01.599
that I game needs. It's good. It's it's like it's good and it's

796
00:50:01.639 --> 00:50:05.400
bad. Yeah, you know,
it's it's one of those things where these

797
00:50:05.440 --> 00:50:08.400
are like gameplay tweaks and just like
refinements to a system, Like a lot

798
00:50:08.440 --> 00:50:12.880
of that stuff isn't like broken,
I mean yeah. But also it's the

799
00:50:13.000 --> 00:50:15.920
third Witcher game, and it's like
and last time they did, they made

800
00:50:15.960 --> 00:50:20.559
a ton of major changes to the
Witcher two. Over time. They're like,

801
00:50:20.599 --> 00:50:22.039
on one hand, you go like, oh, it's great that they're

802
00:50:22.039 --> 00:50:23.679
supporting their game, yes, but
then it's like, oh, you know

803
00:50:23.760 --> 00:50:29.760
what, like maybe just get it
right next time instead of like going through

804
00:50:29.800 --> 00:50:32.400
this whole cycle again. Do you
think it's just like they had to have

805
00:50:32.599 --> 00:50:36.880
played a lot of this game before
it came out. Do you think it's

806
00:50:36.880 --> 00:50:38.280
just like you know, when you're
writing an essay in school and you read

807
00:50:38.320 --> 00:50:42.519
over the same type of open over
maybe yeah, and you just get used

808
00:50:42.519 --> 00:50:45.119
to it. Yeah, I mean, yeah, in their defense, they

809
00:50:45.159 --> 00:50:46.880
had way bigger ambitions with this one
than they have in the past. Sure,

810
00:50:47.039 --> 00:50:51.239
yeah, maybe that's just like tertiary
on their list, like movement question

811
00:50:51.320 --> 00:50:53.639
mark and then all these A class
bugs, right, you know, and

812
00:50:53.679 --> 00:50:57.320
it's that they had just never made
an open world in this series before,

813
00:50:57.480 --> 00:51:00.280
like the just the scope of this
game is so much bigger, too open,

814
00:51:00.360 --> 00:51:01.960
right, not not at all in
the same way like which or two

815
00:51:02.079 --> 00:51:07.199
is more like mass effect a year
or whatever. Right, Well, I

816
00:51:07.280 --> 00:51:10.239
think like the there is no open
world. It's like small contained areas that

817
00:51:10.519 --> 00:51:13.920
you load in and out of this
kind of thing. Like it's nothing like

818
00:51:14.039 --> 00:51:17.039
the expanse in this one. But
yeah, that's said, like, yeah,

819
00:51:17.079 --> 00:51:20.639
I don't know how a bunch of
people played it and signed off on

820
00:51:20.679 --> 00:51:22.440
the way it controls and just like
had no complaint. They probably just like

821
00:51:22.559 --> 00:51:25.719
got used to it, it's like
oh yeah, maybe yeah, and again,

822
00:51:25.840 --> 00:51:28.800
like you know, it's something you
get used to after a few hours

823
00:51:28.840 --> 00:51:30.760
and if you don't have other games
to compare it to you right away,

824
00:51:30.199 --> 00:51:35.760
Like it's not that bad. But
I'm glad they're still supporting the year.

825
00:51:35.840 --> 00:51:37.760
Yeah, me too. I still
want to finish. Yeah, the the

826
00:51:37.800 --> 00:51:39.880
alternative of put it out and do
nothing to it right and then have it

827
00:51:39.960 --> 00:51:43.960
crashed during the Guent tutorial Like that's
no good, you know I's talking about.

828
00:51:44.199 --> 00:51:45.199
Yeah, I'm I'm glad they're cleaning
it up, even if you know

829
00:51:45.280 --> 00:51:49.079
it's this kind of two months two
months or when did it come out?

830
00:51:49.400 --> 00:51:51.760
Yeah, I guess it's been about
two months now, right since it came

831
00:51:51.800 --> 00:51:55.480
out almost that sounds right, get
close, glad that's happening. But uh

832
00:51:55.760 --> 00:51:59.679
so you're just gonna you're just gonna
wait for that patch at this point only

833
00:52:00.119 --> 00:52:01.679
days away, so I don't I
don't know. We'll see the other the

834
00:52:01.679 --> 00:52:05.519
week goes. That's yeah, I'm
eager to get back into it, all

835
00:52:05.599 --> 00:52:07.719
right. That's good to hear.
Be happy for some people on the staff

836
00:52:07.719 --> 00:52:10.000
to finish that game. I probably
start over from I'm not that far,

837
00:52:10.239 --> 00:52:14.519
but yeah, you might as well
probably just start fresh once that new new

838
00:52:14.559 --> 00:52:19.199
patch comes out. Yeah, uh, what else have you been playing?

839
00:52:19.559 --> 00:52:22.519
Uh? Stupid Japanese stuff? Uh
huh, real dumb? Go on?

840
00:52:23.519 --> 00:52:29.280
Jay Stars? What is that?
Jay Stars? Victory Versus Plus that showed

841
00:52:29.360 --> 00:52:31.119
up in the office and you were
very excited. I've been excited about this

842
00:52:31.239 --> 00:52:35.480
for for quite a while. So, like I'm a fan of the Gundam

843
00:52:35.599 --> 00:52:37.199
Versus series. I don't know if
you're familiar with that t V two like

844
00:52:38.440 --> 00:52:44.199
arena based combat, so it's not
exactly a fighting game. It is kind

845
00:52:44.239 --> 00:52:46.480
of sort of a more three D
so like power Stone. Is it like

846
00:52:46.599 --> 00:52:51.199
virtual on Robopitch? Sure kind of
thing. Sure, a little bit.

847
00:52:51.280 --> 00:52:53.800
And are you guys familiar with like
the the cyber Connects fighting games and like

848
00:52:53.960 --> 00:52:57.920
the Narudas. Yeah, yeah,
yes, so a little like that.

849
00:52:58.559 --> 00:53:00.639
That seems like half of it is. Scenes like special News are just like

850
00:53:00.719 --> 00:53:05.079
thirty secon god. Yeah yeah,
Okay, it gets pretty ridiculous. This

851
00:53:05.159 --> 00:53:07.440
is a way a different developer,
so I didn't have so I like,

852
00:53:07.559 --> 00:53:12.320
I like those cyber Connected games,
like I think they're pretty fun, but

853
00:53:12.719 --> 00:53:17.320
this this one gets old super quick. The combat is a little too all

854
00:53:17.400 --> 00:53:21.800
over the place. You know,
you're supposed to be doing melee for the

855
00:53:21.880 --> 00:53:24.679
most parts, but you can't block
behind you, so as soon as you

856
00:53:24.760 --> 00:53:28.840
get in the thick of stuff,
you're probably gonna get hit by something else.

857
00:53:28.880 --> 00:53:30.679
So uh and as you mentioned before, like some of those attacks are

858
00:53:30.760 --> 00:53:34.719
just like, you know, big
like twenty second long, freaking you know,

859
00:53:34.800 --> 00:53:38.639
animation. So I'm still warming up
to it. Put it that way.

860
00:53:38.679 --> 00:53:40.760
We're gonna do it quick. Look
later this week, We'll see how

861
00:53:40.800 --> 00:53:45.960
it goes. But yeah, I
got old pretty quick. Who are the

862
00:53:46.079 --> 00:53:52.000
jstars? I would recognize the rest
of your hair Metal, dragon ball Z

863
00:53:52.800 --> 00:53:55.719
and Jason Okay, So like showing
and jump over in Japan, long ass

864
00:53:55.760 --> 00:54:00.360
publication, you know, publish those
commics. So it's it's a missions match

865
00:54:00.719 --> 00:54:04.360
of So who's whose dudes? Yeah, pretty much of Mangatow. Yeah,

866
00:54:04.960 --> 00:54:08.800
that's got some Georgio in it.
Yeah, and their bizarre adventures deo there.

867
00:54:09.880 --> 00:54:13.519
I don't know. I don't think
so no doo no sale. Yeah,

868
00:54:13.519 --> 00:54:16.719
I don't think you guys in it. Bell Also more Japanese stuff,

869
00:54:17.199 --> 00:54:25.000
Yatsu Gasu Attack, Faver, Cataclysm, over On, attack on cast Inside,

870
00:54:25.199 --> 00:54:36.280
Cataclysm about get fully cataclized. This
is a This was a so yeah,

871
00:54:36.320 --> 00:54:39.360
three former SNK dudes got together.
They're like, we need to make

872
00:54:39.440 --> 00:54:45.639
something that we've made before. We're
gonna We're gonna make a fan made version

873
00:54:45.000 --> 00:54:49.199
of the games that were I don't
know that you would say that they're just

874
00:54:49.400 --> 00:54:52.800
fan made when they are excess and
K developers. It's tracially knowing. It's

875
00:54:52.840 --> 00:54:55.480
like I'm not just a developer,
I'm also a fan, all right.

876
00:54:57.039 --> 00:54:59.719
So yeah, it was a dogon
for a long time, so that typically

877
00:54:59.719 --> 00:55:01.639
meets like fan made or whatever.
But uh uh, yeah, they put

878
00:55:01.679 --> 00:55:06.519
on big boyd riches and and started
an indiego go and that got funded and

879
00:55:06.559 --> 00:55:10.199
stuff, and you know, the
project like split at some point and they

880
00:55:10.320 --> 00:55:14.519
called this new one attack on Cataclyst
and they said to add a bunch of

881
00:55:14.559 --> 00:55:17.320
new characters and modes and junks.
So that is finally out and yeah it

882
00:55:17.480 --> 00:55:22.760
it totally feels like in an old
school s n K even some like Street

883
00:55:22.800 --> 00:55:25.760
Fighter three, uh kind of two
D fighting. Yeah, those old school

884
00:55:25.840 --> 00:55:30.599
retro spights man, and they are
at a very set resolution and there are

885
00:55:30.679 --> 00:55:34.880
no graphic options. So that game, which is when you full screen it,

886
00:55:35.000 --> 00:55:37.840
the steam pop up in the lower
right cornum and you launch its fucking

887
00:55:37.079 --> 00:55:42.519
oh just because it's a super low
resolution. Yeah, it's like it's not

888
00:55:42.639 --> 00:55:46.960
quite that low. But yeah,
but they, you know, they I

889
00:55:47.079 --> 00:55:51.199
want to like this game, I
really I do too, say they put

890
00:55:51.239 --> 00:55:52.199
a lot of heart into it.
Yeah, the heart. The heart is

891
00:55:52.239 --> 00:55:54.760
in the mechanics. I guess,
like the game is for me. It's

892
00:55:54.800 --> 00:55:59.039
fun to play because it's you know, it's it's very reminiscent of you know,

893
00:55:59.400 --> 00:56:05.679
the that era. Unfortunately, like
the UI is something that was barely

894
00:56:05.800 --> 00:56:12.039
touched when that project forked. It's
rough. It's really really rough the first

895
00:56:12.039 --> 00:56:14.719
time you booted, Like most of
many's in Japanese, you've got to switch

896
00:56:14.719 --> 00:56:17.480
it to English. But also it's
not it's like in on on an English

897
00:56:17.519 --> 00:56:23.239
Windows system. It just shows up
as gibberish, just like askied garbage Texas

898
00:56:23.280 --> 00:56:28.760
like all over the place. You've
got the right I have the language pack

899
00:56:28.800 --> 00:56:31.360
install. It wasn't didn't work,
so I have no idea. Huh,

900
00:56:31.920 --> 00:56:35.880
how much is this? This is
fifteen dollars okay, I mean, well

901
00:56:36.000 --> 00:56:37.760
not a huge huge buy in at
least. Yeah. At the same time,

902
00:56:37.920 --> 00:56:40.920
like you know, they're promising,
like you know, GGPO I don't

903
00:56:40.920 --> 00:56:45.360
know which is not there yet and
apparently not pay stuff. Seems the first

904
00:56:45.440 --> 00:56:51.199
window that you launch is where you
can put in your IP address and can

905
00:56:51.320 --> 00:56:53.320
figure your ports. This is the
first thing that you see. Shouldn't they

906
00:56:53.320 --> 00:57:00.400
be able to just pull your IP
yellows? I mean, look, how

907
00:57:00.440 --> 00:57:02.199
bad do you want to play this
game? They're they're not that bad as

908
00:57:02.239 --> 00:57:05.840
it turns out, like not not
actually that bad. Like I think,

909
00:57:05.880 --> 00:57:07.400
I'm with you. I think it's
really cool, Like there's some design stuff

910
00:57:07.400 --> 00:57:09.760
about it. I think it's fun. It's well, yeah, that's really

911
00:57:09.840 --> 00:57:13.400
keeping me like away from it,
like the UI stuff. But yeah,

912
00:57:13.559 --> 00:57:15.400
yeah, these groups that I've got
jumped through just to just to get to

913
00:57:15.480 --> 00:57:21.079
even try the online Yeah it's crazy
and and yeah, I don't know,

914
00:57:21.159 --> 00:57:24.519
man, what do you talk about? SMK Fighters? All right, here's

915
00:57:24.559 --> 00:57:30.280
my perception of that fandom. Okay, Like to me, from what I

916
00:57:30.360 --> 00:57:32.039
can tell from the outside, it
looks like there's King of Fighters and there's

917
00:57:32.079 --> 00:57:37.079
everything else. Is that accurate?
I would? Yeah, King of Fighters

918
00:57:37.119 --> 00:57:39.599
I think is the big There's King
of Fighters, there's Samurai show Down,

919
00:57:39.760 --> 00:57:43.800
well everything else. I almost feel
like Samurai show Down as its own beast

920
00:57:44.320 --> 00:57:45.960
in a way. Yeah, if
that makes sense, sure, Yeah,

921
00:57:46.039 --> 00:57:52.320
Whereas like like it seems like King
of Fighters is descended from like Fatal Fury

922
00:57:52.400 --> 00:57:54.519
and World Heroes and blah blah blah, right, whereas Samurai show Down existed

923
00:57:54.559 --> 00:57:58.760
as its own kind of like yeah, the thing off to the side,

924
00:57:58.840 --> 00:58:01.599
like people that love sam Show or
wait into that ship regardless of how they

925
00:58:01.599 --> 00:58:05.400
feel about the other stuff really distinguished, like you know, regular martial arts

926
00:58:05.400 --> 00:58:08.159
stuff and like weapon based right,
uh, fighting games. So yeah,

927
00:58:08.159 --> 00:58:12.280
they've been kind of segmented, I
guess a little bit. But also like

928
00:58:12.360 --> 00:58:15.320
I don't think Last Blade is something
that you would like if you like Samurai

929
00:58:15.360 --> 00:58:17.159
show Down, like not immediately anyway, Like it's it's its own different,

930
00:58:17.199 --> 00:58:21.239
weird thing. So they and like
each of those like in a series,

931
00:58:21.280 --> 00:58:23.719
have like really evolved over time.
Like if you look at like original Fatal

932
00:58:23.800 --> 00:58:27.639
Furies, like they had you know, weird plane based yeah, like the

933
00:58:27.719 --> 00:58:30.840
jumping in and out. Yeah stuff. I guess that's my real questions stuff

934
00:58:30.880 --> 00:58:31.920
kept me away from those games.
Yeah, I didn't like that, That's

935
00:58:31.960 --> 00:58:35.559
that's what I mean. Like,
do people look back at those kind of

936
00:58:35.719 --> 00:58:39.239
the early SMK franchises with like reverence, Like do they still play them competitively

937
00:58:39.400 --> 00:58:43.119
or is it just like so much
It's like you're in the Samurai show Down,

938
00:58:43.119 --> 00:58:44.920
You're in the King of Fighters.
That's it. I would just say,

939
00:58:45.000 --> 00:58:47.280
just King justly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay,

940
00:58:47.480 --> 00:58:51.920
I think the later Samurai show Down
games kind of killed a lot of interest.

941
00:58:52.639 --> 00:58:54.639
So it's just one and two mostly
two as far as I'm concerned to

942
00:58:57.159 --> 00:59:00.519
Yeah, okay, like one's good, but two's better, and and that's

943
00:59:00.559 --> 00:59:06.960
it. All that Slash Bust shit
sucked. So yeah, this, dude,

944
00:59:07.000 --> 00:59:08.599
like really speaks to me, and
I really really want to get into

945
00:59:08.679 --> 00:59:12.320
it, but that fucking you,
I dude. Is it being sold as

946
00:59:12.360 --> 00:59:15.360
early access? No? Really,
no it was, so it's just being

947
00:59:15.400 --> 00:59:17.480
sold as a final game, even
though it's missing major features that they're promising

948
00:59:17.599 --> 00:59:22.280
later. It's missing some features,
some characters, yes, yeah, some

949
00:59:22.440 --> 00:59:27.480
characters that were on the Indie Go
Go page right right, how do you

950
00:59:27.719 --> 00:59:30.719
promised? How do you not categorize
that as early access when it's missing characters.

951
00:59:31.239 --> 00:59:34.920
I don't know, maybe they're unlockable. It's crazy, but I mean

952
00:59:34.960 --> 00:59:37.599
there's not a lot of information,
you know. The only tutorials that I've

953
00:59:37.599 --> 00:59:40.840
seen are actually you know from people
that have been playing it in early access,

954
00:59:42.000 --> 00:59:45.199
like there's something you yeah, if
you was it contribute to the Indie

955
00:59:45.239 --> 00:59:47.760
Go Go, like you might have
got this game like a really long time.

956
00:59:49.039 --> 00:59:51.880
Well yeah, yeah, Indie Go
Go. It was like twenty thirteen.

957
00:59:51.960 --> 00:59:53.880
They promised like twenty fourteen for release, and you know, here we

958
00:59:53.960 --> 00:59:59.239
are. I remember when we saw
it. It was like it packs like

959
01:00:00.159 --> 01:00:02.480
Collis was gonna was showing it right
like they were. It was. It

960
01:00:02.559 --> 01:00:07.199
was that in thousand one. Yes, I remember there, and then they'd

961
01:00:07.320 --> 01:00:08.960
have nothing to do with this.
Yeah anymore. I totally remember that now,

962
01:00:09.119 --> 01:00:12.880
yeah, back in the corner of
the Indie Mega Yeah yeah, and

963
01:00:13.000 --> 01:00:15.039
I'm I don't know what happened there, but like, yeah, it just

964
01:00:15.199 --> 01:00:20.079
seems like three dudes, Is it
not true? Do you know if they

965
01:00:20.119 --> 01:00:22.800
did the animation. I'm sure that
like at some point, like they brought

966
01:00:22.840 --> 01:00:25.440
in different people to do the music, and obviously a cast of thousands for

967
01:00:25.559 --> 01:00:32.440
the commentary. What So, you
can add commentators to your match, like

968
01:00:32.800 --> 01:00:37.880
each person can choose the commentator,
and the commentators are made up of like

969
01:00:37.960 --> 01:00:39.960
you know, voice samples from inside
the game, from the characters. You

970
01:00:40.000 --> 01:00:43.960
know that are actually fighters and then
prominent members of like you know, the

971
01:00:44.000 --> 01:00:49.079
Street Fighter three community, also like
of the American commentary fighting game scenes.

972
01:00:49.119 --> 01:00:53.480
Did they get uh no, they
got tokydo all right? Murder face uh

973
01:00:53.960 --> 01:01:00.159
like James Chen, Ultra David,
also Maximilian. So you can add use

974
01:01:00.199 --> 01:01:02.079
them as commentation, which is like
a really weird, like novel kind of

975
01:01:02.119 --> 01:01:07.360
cool thing that they're included in this
game. But holy shit, like the

976
01:01:07.480 --> 01:01:10.360
performances are fucking rough. They're terrible. They're really really like a lot of

977
01:01:10.400 --> 01:01:15.599
more Japanese and like I can't speak
to whether those are delivered with verve or

978
01:01:15.679 --> 01:01:21.760
not. Holy shit, the mix
is real bad. They look real JANKI

979
01:01:21.840 --> 01:01:23.079
when they show up, they just
pop in from the screen when like you

980
01:01:23.119 --> 01:01:25.519
know, you do some converse and
it's just like a still image. Nice

981
01:01:25.599 --> 01:01:30.559
job or whatever, meaty hit man. You excuse me, Prince. I

982
01:01:30.679 --> 01:01:36.639
cannot believe they got him to read. Man, it's really bad. I'm

983
01:01:36.679 --> 01:01:39.360
sure this was a labor of love. You can turn that off. You

984
01:01:39.440 --> 01:01:44.280
can't turn enough. But why at
this point it's like embrace it, right,

985
01:01:44.440 --> 01:01:46.360
It's so dumb. It's so stupid, you know, I guess In

986
01:01:46.400 --> 01:01:51.400
twenty fifteen, if you want a
sprite based King of Fighter will like your

987
01:01:51.400 --> 01:01:52.760
options are pretty limited. Kind of
take what you can get, right,

988
01:01:53.800 --> 01:01:57.639
Yeah? Yeah, I mean,
you know, there's the recent King of

989
01:01:57.679 --> 01:02:00.880
Fighter games, which are fantastic.
One would expect, one would suspect that

990
01:02:00.920 --> 01:02:05.599
they would eventually make another one of
those. I would, I would hope.

991
01:02:05.639 --> 01:02:07.440
So hasn't been that long since the
last one? Thirteen was the last

992
01:02:07.480 --> 01:02:10.559
one, right, and that was
I was it fourth? Oh god,

993
01:02:10.599 --> 01:02:14.840
I can't remember. I was trying
to blank. But twelve and thirteen?

994
01:02:15.000 --> 01:02:16.599
Yeah, I think you're right.
Aren't those games getting more and more three

995
01:02:16.679 --> 01:02:21.039
D though? Over time? Like
Polygonal three D the backgrounds that was that

996
01:02:21.119 --> 01:02:22.719
it. I think we're still doing
sprites. Those are still, like I

997
01:02:22.800 --> 01:02:28.360
thought, there's there's like three D
elements some of the attacks. It's fun

998
01:02:28.480 --> 01:02:31.960
to watch high level like modern King
of Fighters play. They're so good.

999
01:02:32.119 --> 01:02:36.840
But I don't want anything to do
with that franchise anymore. I'm too old.

1000
01:02:37.159 --> 01:02:38.280
You weren't just want to play ninety
eight, Okay, I just want

1001
01:02:38.280 --> 01:02:42.079
to play because I didn't think you
were a big fan ever, Uh not

1002
01:02:42.280 --> 01:02:45.159
huge. I like ninety eight,
I like like two thousand, two thousand

1003
01:02:45.159 --> 01:02:49.960
and two. Yeah, but no, like like past that, it just

1004
01:02:50.079 --> 01:02:52.519
got crazy. Yeah, it's weird. They got it away from like the

1005
01:02:52.559 --> 01:02:58.480
team based stuff and which I really
liked. But I liked that. I

1006
01:02:58.559 --> 01:03:00.840
was there, but I never used
it. I was I was like,

1007
01:03:00.079 --> 01:03:02.480
I always thought it was cool there
was three on three, but then when

1008
01:03:02.480 --> 01:03:06.000
it came down to actually playing it, I kind of just wanted to be

1009
01:03:06.400 --> 01:03:08.800
Terry. Terry pick your character and
go yeah, put on that ball cap,

1010
01:03:09.760 --> 01:03:13.000
yeah, and do it. I
want to throw that jacket up in

1011
01:03:13.000 --> 01:03:15.239
the air. Yep. Fuck the
hat. All right, you're the lonely

1012
01:03:15.280 --> 01:03:20.880
Wolf. That's me. That's a
good anime, by the way, fatal

1013
01:03:20.920 --> 01:03:23.199
for your anime. Yeah, yeah, that's a tangent. I think I

1014
01:03:23.280 --> 01:03:29.840
saw that. But tell the Tale
of the Bogard Brothers. Yeah, all

1015
01:03:29.880 --> 01:03:34.639
right, good to know. Play
anything else. Finally beats You Must Build

1016
01:03:34.679 --> 01:03:37.239
a Boat. Yeah, like beat
it, beat it like credits rolled,

1017
01:03:37.679 --> 01:03:38.880
you build a boat. I built
a boat. You built v boat?

1018
01:03:39.039 --> 01:03:42.280
Is that it? Yep? And
I sailed through this guys. Yeah,

1019
01:03:42.679 --> 01:03:44.480
you build a boat and it's it. So you know, well you go

1020
01:03:44.599 --> 01:03:46.360
back in and then you're given the
options. You say, well, okay,

1021
01:03:46.519 --> 01:03:50.639
you can go back and like,
replay this at a harder difficulty.

1022
01:03:50.800 --> 01:03:52.559
It's like a new game plus.
And I'm like, boats, sign me

1023
01:03:52.760 --> 01:03:55.519
up, really, sign me up. And then it's it sends you back

1024
01:03:55.559 --> 01:04:00.159
to the very beginning of the game. No money, no nothing thing.

1025
01:04:00.360 --> 01:04:02.159
They even just put you back into
toorial met It was not even a new

1026
01:04:02.199 --> 01:04:04.800
game plus. It's just it's just
here's a new game. Play it again.

1027
01:04:04.920 --> 01:04:08.079
I guess it's supposed to be harder. Now you have to grind even

1028
01:04:08.119 --> 01:04:11.119
more to get through it. What
the fuck? Yeah, so I can't

1029
01:04:11.159 --> 01:04:15.320
just go back in. And I'd
purposely not like beat the game for for

1030
01:04:15.400 --> 01:04:16.519
quite a while because I was really
enjoying it, you know, and I

1031
01:04:16.800 --> 01:04:20.119
didn't I didn't want it to end. And now I didn't want to go

1032
01:04:20.239 --> 01:04:23.719
through that tutorial stuff again. So
I think I'm done with it. Yeah,

1033
01:04:23.840 --> 01:04:26.960
thanks a lot. I've gotten pretty
cynical about ten million as I have

1034
01:04:27.039 --> 01:04:30.000
been close to finishing it. Yeah, Like I'm I'm at like five million

1035
01:04:30.079 --> 01:04:31.079
points. I've you know, I've
maxed out the sword in the scepter,

1036
01:04:31.679 --> 01:04:34.119
pretty close to finishing all the other
upgrades, and you know, like the

1037
01:04:34.519 --> 01:04:38.559
point modifiers are so high that I
have to imagine I'll hit a ten million

1038
01:04:38.599 --> 01:04:43.480
in another like hour or something.
It's just kind of the same shit over

1039
01:04:43.639 --> 01:04:45.719
over, except I think it's a
solid puzzle game. And the hooks around

1040
01:04:45.760 --> 01:04:49.039
it are just hooky and oh it's
it's like it DIDs a very carrot on

1041
01:04:49.079 --> 01:04:51.639
a stick, you know, like
they definitely like the first day I started

1042
01:04:51.679 --> 01:04:56.159
playing it, I was like every
spare minute I had, I was whipping

1043
01:04:56.199 --> 01:04:58.239
it out to like do another run
or two, to try to get some

1044
01:04:58.280 --> 01:05:02.880
more upgrades. Tell me more.
What's I can't talk about that on the

1045
01:05:02.920 --> 01:05:10.360
air FCC. Yep, they just
started governing podcast right now, yep today

1046
01:05:10.480 --> 01:05:14.840
in fact, roll Officer or something
something. Uh. But you know,

1047
01:05:15.159 --> 01:05:18.400
it's like it's the same matching three. It's the same types of enemies.

1048
01:05:18.440 --> 01:05:23.440
They just have more hit points and
hit Yeah sometimes sometimes you match five man.

1049
01:05:23.599 --> 01:05:26.119
Yeah, sure, that's fine.
That's always nice. If you could

1050
01:05:26.159 --> 01:05:30.920
just drag that gym anywhere you wanted
switch, use it to switch gyms and

1051
01:05:31.079 --> 01:05:34.239
set up that would be nice.
Actually, because it was there, I

1052
01:05:34.280 --> 01:05:38.280
got okay, all right, maybe
I'll maybe I should maybe check that game

1053
01:05:38.280 --> 01:05:40.280
out there. Have you not played
that at all? No? I never

1054
01:05:40.320 --> 01:05:43.599
played any P and D of any
kind but cool. Actually that That's kind

1055
01:05:43.599 --> 01:05:45.679
of another thing I'm not super huge
on in this is their style of matching

1056
01:05:45.800 --> 01:05:50.320
three is kind of it's not full
on like original puzzle Quest but jeweled where

1057
01:05:50.320 --> 01:05:54.440
you can only go one space.
But it's also not like puzzles and dragons

1058
01:05:54.559 --> 01:05:56.320
drag it anywhere on the board.
It's like, you know, you can

1059
01:05:56.440 --> 01:05:59.840
go in columns and rows all the
way up down, like getting used to.

1060
01:06:00.119 --> 01:06:01.880
Yeah, and I still feel like
I might be playing it wrong because

1061
01:06:01.880 --> 01:06:04.280
I sort of just sit there and
wait to try to use the right thing

1062
01:06:04.320 --> 01:06:06.559
at the right time. When I
get the sense that I actually should just

1063
01:06:06.559 --> 01:06:13.920
be matching everything, that always seems
to work out a lot better. But

1064
01:06:14.039 --> 01:06:15.480
yeah, you know, it's just
it's just all you're doing is increasing your

1065
01:06:15.559 --> 01:06:18.840
numbers to try to beat their increasing
numbers over and over. Oh, yes,

1066
01:06:20.039 --> 01:06:23.920
million, I thought we were talking
about destiny, all right, No,

1067
01:06:24.039 --> 01:06:28.440
well, yes, all of the
above. I don't know. It's

1068
01:06:28.480 --> 01:06:30.119
fun, it's certainly, you know, for the prices, it's fun.

1069
01:06:30.239 --> 01:06:34.760
Yeah, it's ten million, three
bucks. Which side is a boat?

1070
01:06:34.800 --> 01:06:38.480
The same thing? I think?
So as five right around there, I

1071
01:06:38.559 --> 01:06:41.639
think, yeah, I just yeah, I don't I couldn't see myself rushing

1072
01:06:41.679 --> 01:06:45.079
to play that right after this because
I don't know back to back and it

1073
01:06:45.199 --> 01:06:46.320
like that might be much. That's
a little rope. I think I'm ready

1074
01:06:46.320 --> 01:06:48.800
for it to be over. I
can see that, So yeah, what's

1075
01:06:48.800 --> 01:06:50.960
about it for me? Though?
Yeah? Yeah, I thinks right,

1076
01:06:51.159 --> 01:06:55.679
Okay, Uh, I guess I
don't know. I'm spending a lot of

1077
01:06:55.719 --> 01:06:58.199
time on the phone. I guess
it's like trickle down for me three weeks,

1078
01:06:58.199 --> 01:07:01.480
you know, when you're out of
town until you got But I got

1079
01:07:01.559 --> 01:07:06.800
stuck back into Fallout Shelter this weekend. I uninstalled Fallout Shelter this weekend.

1080
01:07:08.400 --> 01:07:11.840
You might have made the right choice. I dragged everyone into the waste land,

1081
01:07:12.360 --> 01:07:15.199
set them free, and then let
them go. Yeah, so out

1082
01:07:15.239 --> 01:07:16.960
there, I let them walk away, and I'm like, all right,

1083
01:07:17.199 --> 01:07:20.599
let them out, let them out
to pursue their dreams. Let them free,

1084
01:07:20.639 --> 01:07:24.559
and then deleted the vault. Yeah, okay, that's beautiful. It

1085
01:07:24.599 --> 01:07:30.800
sounds about one night seven is closed
forever. So something really insidio has happened

1086
01:07:30.840 --> 01:07:34.159
with that thing. And the more
I think about it, the angrier I

1087
01:07:34.239 --> 01:07:36.920
am at myself for continuing to play
it. Wait, you mean they're completely

1088
01:07:38.000 --> 01:07:42.119
free game? That they launched.
This is pretty bad, Okay, let's

1089
01:07:42.159 --> 01:07:45.719
hear it. So it's got notifications
and the loop in the game is like

1090
01:07:45.800 --> 01:07:47.519
three to five minutes long, right, where like you have to you know,

1091
01:07:47.599 --> 01:07:50.119
your rooms produced resources, but you
have to actually tap them when they're

1092
01:07:50.119 --> 01:07:54.960
completed to collect the resources and start
them on their timers again. So it's

1093
01:07:55.039 --> 01:07:58.159
constantly prodding you. Every time you
put the phone down, like three minutes

1094
01:07:58.239 --> 01:08:00.599
later you get a notifications like what
if your room is ready to go?

1095
01:08:00.360 --> 01:08:03.400
Ohly? So I had gotten over
that part of it, Like the compulsion

1096
01:08:03.519 --> 01:08:06.079
to keep up with the rooms was
gone. If you don't keep up with

1097
01:08:06.119 --> 01:08:10.760
the rooms, does everyone eventually die
because they run out of ship so eventually

1098
01:08:10.880 --> 01:08:14.159
freeze and be like all right,
we're gonna not I'm not one hundred percent

1099
01:08:14.199 --> 01:08:15.159
clear on it. If you let
it go for like a day without touching

1100
01:08:15.199 --> 01:08:17.840
it, you'll come back and all
your resources will be at zero. Yeah,

1101
01:08:17.880 --> 01:08:20.800
they'll have used everything, but nobody's
dead. Okay. Yeah, that's

1102
01:08:20.920 --> 01:08:23.800
what it was for me, because
I would like every five days, I

1103
01:08:23.840 --> 01:08:26.239
go like, oh right, this
fucking thing, and I'll watch it and

1104
01:08:26.359 --> 01:08:29.600
tap the rooms and go all right, yeah, likes it. And then

1105
01:08:29.760 --> 01:08:30.600
give me the notification, I'll be
like, oh fuck you, like you'll

1106
01:08:30.600 --> 01:08:33.159
be out of resources, Like You're
happiness level will probably be pretty low.

1107
01:08:33.359 --> 01:08:36.239
Yeah, but people aren't dead or
anything like they're you know that, it's

1108
01:08:36.760 --> 01:08:41.880
you can get back into it.
But it's good, yeah, I but

1109
01:08:42.000 --> 01:08:44.840
I my happiness have been super low, which I didn't realize at the time.

1110
01:08:45.000 --> 01:08:48.159
It radiates your people, which like
cuts their health in half. Sadness

1111
01:08:48.359 --> 01:08:53.359
sadness equals of radiation. Also,
they don't heal automatically when they're not happy.

1112
01:08:53.880 --> 01:08:56.560
So everybody was a super low health
But since it doesn't always show health

1113
01:08:56.600 --> 01:08:59.319
bars, I wasn't paying attention to. That's the upshot of this is that

1114
01:08:59.399 --> 01:09:03.039
I had one random rad roach outbreak
that murdered half of my population. I

1115
01:09:03.119 --> 01:09:09.359
went from like mid forties to about
twenty people and had no money. That

1116
01:09:09.479 --> 01:09:11.399
was the last last week sometime,
and I was like, well, fuck

1117
01:09:11.479 --> 01:09:15.279
this game, and I put it
down, never to return. But and

1118
01:09:15.359 --> 01:09:20.000
then Sunday morning, oh no,
I got a notification saying one of your

1119
01:09:20.039 --> 01:09:24.359
survivors has returned from the wasteland what
they get? And I was like,

1120
01:09:24.800 --> 01:09:27.319
what's weird? Did everybody go?
Well? No, because I was like

1121
01:09:27.399 --> 01:09:31.039
that's weird because I never sent anybody
out. Yeah, cute spooky music,

1122
01:09:31.159 --> 01:09:34.840
right, Like, I went back
in and there was nobody there waiting to

1123
01:09:34.880 --> 01:09:38.239
get back in. Wow. Like, I think they just fucking hit you

1124
01:09:38.319 --> 01:09:42.359
with that notification if you don't play
for long, tricking you into thinking,

1125
01:09:42.399 --> 01:09:44.640
well, maybe I did send a
guy out because they collecting a lot of

1126
01:09:44.680 --> 01:09:46.199
stuff out there, you know.
Yeah, like I at one point,

1127
01:09:46.199 --> 01:09:48.760
I sent my highest level guy out
with a bunch of stimpacks so he would

1128
01:09:48.760 --> 01:09:51.239
be survivable. And I came back
the next morning and he had like twelve

1129
01:09:51.279 --> 01:09:54.439
weapons that he had picked up,
you know, like they get a lot

1130
01:09:54.439 --> 01:09:56.399
of stuff. Yeah, it's when
I saw that, I was like,

1131
01:09:56.439 --> 01:09:59.800
I should get in there and see
what he's got there. There was no

1132
01:10:00.239 --> 01:10:03.279
there, And that was that was
when I realized that they had a sixty

1133
01:10:03.279 --> 01:10:06.039
six percent off sale for fourth of
July. And then I spent five dollars

1134
01:10:06.079 --> 01:10:09.960
in a lunchbox. God damn it. Brand Now I'm now I am fucking

1135
01:10:10.079 --> 01:10:12.760
obsessively playing that stupid game again,
even though I don't think it's all that

1136
01:10:12.800 --> 01:10:15.880
good. Boy. Apparently there's no
endgame, Yeah, you can, doesn't

1137
01:10:15.920 --> 01:10:18.079
seem like there would be, so
you can eventually hit a popular Yeah,

1138
01:10:18.079 --> 01:10:21.239
you hit the population cap has two
hundred and apparently you hit the two hundred

1139
01:10:21.239 --> 01:10:24.319
and then it's just kind of like, hey, you can kind of manage

1140
01:10:24.439 --> 01:10:27.439
everybody's happiness and resources if you want, but there's nothing else to do.

1141
01:10:29.119 --> 01:10:30.880
I don't know, you have some
issues. I want to like that game.

1142
01:10:31.800 --> 01:10:34.439
I wanted to like it. It's
yeah, like it's it's cute,

1143
01:10:34.760 --> 01:10:40.479
yeah, but like ten twenty minutes. Yeah right, the problem. The

1144
01:10:40.520 --> 01:10:43.359
problem is just that it demands your
attention for a way longer than that if

1145
01:10:43.399 --> 01:10:45.520
you want to actually keep going with
it. Yeah. Yeah, I love

1146
01:10:45.560 --> 01:10:48.000
the I love the presentation of it. You know, a little shoe box

1147
01:10:48.079 --> 01:10:54.239
looking diorrama thing is just really cool. I think it's really cool that it

1148
01:10:54.479 --> 01:10:58.560
exists. Yeah, yeah, it's
coolable. Yeah, that was a great

1149
01:10:58.560 --> 01:11:00.960
moment, you know, But I
just I don't know, there's just something

1150
01:11:00.039 --> 01:11:03.000
like myself just doesn't seem to hold
up. The interface has got some it's

1151
01:11:03.039 --> 01:11:06.359
lacking in a few places that make
it kind of a chore to do things

1152
01:11:06.680 --> 01:11:10.920
that dragging people around sucked. Yes, that's like especially when you zoom all

1153
01:11:10.920 --> 01:11:13.600
the way it's super tiny. Yeah, it's it's tough to get the right

1154
01:11:13.640 --> 01:11:16.359
person sometimes and stuff like that.
Suckers. Yeah, a little hard to

1155
01:11:16.399 --> 01:11:18.880
play in the five. Yes,
oh yeah, I could definitely see that.

1156
01:11:18.960 --> 01:11:21.880
It's even on the regular six.
It's kind of a chore. Also,

1157
01:11:21.920 --> 01:11:25.840
I felt super creepy because I basically
just set out like my population had

1158
01:11:25.840 --> 01:11:28.279
been cut in half. So it
basically set up a breeding mill. Oh

1159
01:11:28.399 --> 01:11:31.600
my god, where you know the
breeding stat is charisma naturally, Okay,

1160
01:11:31.680 --> 01:11:36.000
So I found like the most charismatic
dude. I found my three most charismatic

1161
01:11:36.119 --> 01:11:41.960
dudes, uh, and basically appointed
them as studs and put them in the

1162
01:11:42.039 --> 01:11:45.640
living quarters and then just cycled like
this is horrible. Then I cycled women

1163
01:11:45.680 --> 01:11:47.760
in and out until everybody was pregnant, because there's no other way to recover

1164
01:11:47.840 --> 01:11:51.439
your population. They were just thinking
about half the people in my thing were

1165
01:11:51.479 --> 01:11:55.079
dead, and I had no money, so I couldn't bring any of the

1166
01:11:55.399 --> 01:11:58.920
Also corpses go away after a while
and can't even resurrect them. You're thinking

1167
01:11:58.960 --> 01:12:00.600
about the species as a hole,
like, I guess I saw you.

1168
01:12:00.960 --> 01:12:04.239
That's that's smart thinking. I guess
it felt it felt weird. Your heart

1169
01:12:04.359 --> 01:12:06.000
was in the right place. And
then then it leads to a bunch of

1170
01:12:06.039 --> 01:12:11.600
situations where you're trying to mate parent
and child without realizing it that's gonna happen.

1171
01:12:11.840 --> 01:12:14.560
I guess, man, you played
Viva Pinata. It's true. You

1172
01:12:14.680 --> 01:12:18.960
know how it goes. Yeah,
you're right. Yeah, I strapped it

1173
01:12:19.000 --> 01:12:24.359
out into like pinata and like candy
animals. Though it's a little it was

1174
01:12:24.359 --> 01:12:28.760
a little easier to grapple with fun
incests and they look like fucking people.

1175
01:12:28.880 --> 01:12:33.319
You're like, no, no,
really unpleasant? No, uh why did

1176
01:12:33.359 --> 01:12:36.840
it all look like pit boy in
the first place? Don't answer the question,

1177
01:12:39.920 --> 01:12:42.600
Like the fact that I was mating
the same three guys with every woman

1178
01:12:42.680 --> 01:12:45.399
in the vault was purely out of
like convenience, because like you said,

1179
01:12:45.439 --> 01:12:46.560
it's such a pain, and the
asked to move those little people around.

1180
01:12:47.479 --> 01:12:49.680
It was like, I just I
don't know, man, I'm just all

1181
01:12:49.720 --> 01:12:51.079
that thing. I should. It's
a bad game. I should. I

1182
01:12:51.079 --> 01:12:54.920
haven't even opened all the lunch boxes
I bought yet, God damn it,

1183
01:12:55.079 --> 01:12:59.000
I've still got four to go.
How did you not just them all at

1184
01:12:59.039 --> 01:13:01.399
once? I don't know. I
figured i'd save a few from when you're

1185
01:13:01.439 --> 01:13:06.159
feeling low. Oh, I know
what, I'll open one. Right now,

1186
01:13:06.199 --> 01:13:10.399
we say, okay, yes,
let's let's get into this. Open

1187
01:13:10.560 --> 01:13:13.119
the lunch box. Let's see what
I get out of this stupid lunch box.

1188
01:13:13.239 --> 01:13:15.600
My happiness is eighty three percent.
That's a good thing, right,

1189
01:13:16.399 --> 01:13:20.880
as long as you're your happiness or
the game's happiness, their happiness solvent adders

1190
01:13:20.960 --> 01:13:28.199
now boa, whoa, all right? What have we got? One rat

1191
01:13:28.279 --> 01:13:34.600
away? That's shit, hunter caps
care handy man jumpsuit, that's plus three

1192
01:13:34.640 --> 01:13:42.760
to a Jilly Movie fan outfit.
Yeah, that was all bullshit. Whatever,

1193
01:13:42.760 --> 01:13:45.479
I should stop playing this game.
So you paid for that? Yeah,

1194
01:13:46.119 --> 01:13:49.640
you paid for that. It was
five bucks, but it normally would

1195
01:13:49.640 --> 01:13:54.279
have been fifteen. Oh yeah,
Oh it's like they're paying me. Yeah,

1196
01:13:54.640 --> 01:13:58.239
I mean that's that's ten dollars.
You could then use to buy some

1197
01:13:58.399 --> 01:14:01.760
Red Bull takeet some destiny. Did
you see that stuff? Should do that?

1198
01:14:02.159 --> 01:14:04.479
How bad that all went? The
wait? Like, is there more?

1199
01:14:04.560 --> 01:14:06.960
Is there in a dendum? Since
last week? Whatever? All of

1200
01:14:08.079 --> 01:14:11.920
the Red Bull can codes just have
the numbers three, four, and seven

1201
01:14:12.000 --> 01:14:15.000
in them. You can just fucking
like it's you know, here's the key

1202
01:14:15.079 --> 01:14:18.800
gen for you. Pump it full
of three four seven series and then wait

1203
01:14:18.880 --> 01:14:23.960
to find something that comes back and
return something. Oh wait, nothing does

1204
01:14:24.119 --> 01:14:28.800
because people have fucking spammed that form
full of fucking shit and now nothing works.

1205
01:14:28.880 --> 01:14:31.159
Oh so people were out there using
codes that exist in cans out there

1206
01:14:31.199 --> 01:14:33.439
somewhere. I guess I don't know. So you can't even go buy a

1207
01:14:33.479 --> 01:14:36.000
can and assume the code will work
anymore. I have not bought a can

1208
01:14:36.119 --> 01:14:39.279
and tried it. All I did
is go to the site and punch in

1209
01:14:39.479 --> 01:14:42.520
numbers and have it go. That
code has already been used a few times

1210
01:14:42.560 --> 01:14:44.279
before. I was like, all
right, fuck you ever got one?

1211
01:14:44.600 --> 01:14:45.840
No? Man, that's fucked up. I wonder what. I wonder what

1212
01:14:45.880 --> 01:14:48.119
they're gonna do about that? Do
you need one? Brand? You got

1213
01:14:48.199 --> 01:14:50.600
one? I bought two Red Bull
can. I mean, if you're not

1214
01:14:51.159 --> 01:14:55.760
one for you not thoughtful? Yeah, I'll give it a shot. Although

1215
01:14:55.760 --> 01:14:58.640
there now it sounds like there's no
guarantee the work. But are you're saying

1216
01:14:58.680 --> 01:15:00.199
you go into it and thin you're
going to get something, but then you

1217
01:15:00.279 --> 01:15:08.159
don't. So yeah, that's weird. Gee, man, video games are

1218
01:15:08.199 --> 01:15:12.079
horrible. Some people were aller than
Some people reported having codes that worked on

1219
01:15:12.159 --> 01:15:15.359
the Red Bull site, but then
the Bungee code it spit out had been

1220
01:15:15.520 --> 01:15:18.520
used already, so you know,
like I spent like twenty minutes reading up

1221
01:15:18.560 --> 01:15:21.960
on this, so I could be
I could be a mistaken on how it

1222
01:15:23.039 --> 01:15:28.600
works, but it does seem like
yeah, like basically I used it enough

1223
01:15:28.600 --> 01:15:31.600
times to where it finally came back
and said, you're you've been your connection

1224
01:15:31.640 --> 01:15:35.199
has been rate limited due to suspected
abuse. All right, Yeah, that's

1225
01:15:35.239 --> 01:15:39.640
fair enough. That's why. It's
why all the sites that are like talking

1226
01:15:39.640 --> 01:15:41.479
about the ships, they're like,
hey, man, use a proxy.

1227
01:15:42.439 --> 01:15:45.119
Great, great, god damn it. Tell you know the Destiny community means

1228
01:15:45.199 --> 01:15:47.640
business. Yeah, I'll tell you
about what I did when that game came

1229
01:15:47.680 --> 01:15:50.479
out, And they were like a
zillion codes floating up, but they weren't

1230
01:15:50.479 --> 01:15:54.520
single use though. That was the
difference. You know, I did that

1231
01:15:54.600 --> 01:15:58.920
too. That was amazing. That
was the best shitty code like like tertiary

1232
01:15:59.000 --> 01:16:01.199
code entering experience of my life.
Yeah. They were like they were like

1233
01:16:01.239 --> 01:16:04.680
twenty something codes out there for like
shaders and emblems and all kinds of bullshit

1234
01:16:04.760 --> 01:16:08.640
in that game that you got from
like different shitty snack food and stuff.

1235
01:16:09.319 --> 01:16:13.520
People just collected them and like built
a little JavaScript thing that you could pay,

1236
01:16:13.640 --> 01:16:15.600
like you'd go to the code entry
site and just paste the JavaScript into

1237
01:16:15.680 --> 01:16:20.079
your developer console and hit enter and
go through and enter every code for you,

1238
01:16:20.359 --> 01:16:24.159
all in one button press. It
was all best. It was awesome.

1239
01:16:24.199 --> 01:16:27.800
It was so good. I had
shaders. I can't argue with that.

1240
01:16:27.880 --> 01:16:33.079
I too have those shaders. Damn
it was beautifuls they're all they're all

1241
01:16:33.119 --> 01:16:36.000
shit. Yeah, I don't really
don't care. They're mostly shiit cheese,

1242
01:16:36.079 --> 01:16:40.199
it colored. None of them were
the Blacksmith, none of the none of

1243
01:16:40.239 --> 01:16:43.720
them are the VIP shader that's coming. That's how much you pay for that.

1244
01:16:44.079 --> 01:16:45.520
Never mind, I don't want to
bring it up again. All right,

1245
01:16:47.520 --> 01:16:50.199
I played Destiny long enough to look
at the Blacksmith shader. Since we

1246
01:16:50.279 --> 01:16:55.039
came back from ME three, that's
it. I feel good. I reinstalled

1247
01:16:55.079 --> 01:16:59.239
that game. Yeah, I'm waiting
for the day that it's like ready for

1248
01:16:59.359 --> 01:17:04.000
me to play. Let's let's chat. In September of twenty sixteen, what

1249
01:17:04.199 --> 01:17:08.479
Destiny two comes in? Destiny two
comes out with another full discs worth of

1250
01:17:08.560 --> 01:17:13.000
content. Oh god, if Destiny
two comes out and oh, what what

1251
01:17:13.079 --> 01:17:15.720
do you mean? If what are
you talking about? I don't that is

1252
01:17:15.720 --> 01:17:18.560
gonna happen. Fuck, we're talking
about destiny. No, good job,

1253
01:17:18.720 --> 01:17:23.520
we don't have to good job.
We can move No. All I was

1254
01:17:23.520 --> 01:17:27.680
gonna say is I don't trust them
to do what needs to be done in

1255
01:17:27.720 --> 01:17:30.560
only two years. Yep, I'm
not saying that. I don't know who's

1256
01:17:30.600 --> 01:17:33.239
going to be some awesome game.
I think they need way more than two

1257
01:17:33.319 --> 01:17:38.000
years to make that into what it
needs to be. Well, they've got

1258
01:17:38.039 --> 01:17:40.920
a ten year plan and around year
eight it's gonna get awesome. All right,

1259
01:17:41.239 --> 01:17:45.439
Well, moving on, yes,
moving on. All that needs to

1260
01:17:45.479 --> 01:17:47.680
be said. Right now. You
should see the VIP shader that comes if

1261
01:17:47.720 --> 01:17:51.000
you have bought every collector's edition and
then it comes out in year eight,

1262
01:17:51.640 --> 01:17:58.239
the one the v like the the
long lasting Founder package that's gonna be out

1263
01:17:58.279 --> 01:18:00.199
there in twenty. They're doing some
weird stuff shaders. I have to say,

1264
01:18:00.640 --> 01:18:03.760
we're moving on. I managed to
get glow Who from the last time

1265
01:18:03.800 --> 01:18:08.520
I ran Croda. What have you
seen glow Who? That's no, I

1266
01:18:08.600 --> 01:18:14.079
have not. It glows. It's
a glowing shader. Cool. Let's take

1267
01:18:14.079 --> 01:18:16.079
a break. Yeah, we'll come
back with some news after this break.

1268
01:18:30.319 --> 01:18:33.920
We are back and it's time for
news of the world. Yes, the

1269
01:18:34.000 --> 01:18:40.439
world news. I'm starting with the
only story that matters this week, the

1270
01:18:40.560 --> 01:18:45.720
euro Zone. Yes, talk about
Greek austerity. No, let's talk about

1271
01:18:45.720 --> 01:18:50.439
the Nintendo PlayStation. Yeah, yeah, that was a that was the almost

1272
01:18:50.479 --> 01:18:56.960
thing. What well, yes,
you're right in a in a broad business

1273
01:18:57.039 --> 01:19:00.439
sense, You're right, it was
almost a thing. But there was anole

1274
01:19:00.479 --> 01:19:03.159
thing or made in a literal physical
sense, it got made, and one

1275
01:19:03.199 --> 01:19:09.039
has been unearthed. Sure you seem
perplexed, little history list. I've never

1276
01:19:09.079 --> 01:19:13.399
seen you this confused. So before
Sony got into the PlayStation business, proper

1277
01:19:13.600 --> 01:19:15.000
got into the video game business on
its own. It did a deal with

1278
01:19:15.199 --> 01:19:17.760
Nintendo. They were like, hey, we can make you a disc based

1279
01:19:17.800 --> 01:19:23.000
to do a CD ROM based add
on for the Supernintendo. Not unlike the

1280
01:19:23.039 --> 01:19:25.479
segment. It was basically, yes, I've heard this legend us and they

1281
01:19:25.479 --> 01:19:30.520
were to call it the PlayStation and
the Nintendo PlayStation. Well, no,

1282
01:19:30.840 --> 01:19:35.520
it would have been. It was
the the Sony PlayStation Super disc all right.

1283
01:19:35.560 --> 01:19:38.720
So I was not even aware of
these plans, but yeah, you

1284
01:19:38.880 --> 01:19:40.840
so, Jeff was in this morning, like, I guess there were plans

1285
01:19:40.920 --> 01:19:44.119
for both and at all it could
have existed in two forms. There would

1286
01:19:44.119 --> 01:19:46.199
have been Sony's hardware. That would
have been a combo unit sort of like

1287
01:19:46.279 --> 01:19:51.359
the JBC x I is for the
on the Genesis. Basically just a superno

1288
01:19:53.439 --> 01:19:56.720
that Sony would produce and would bear
kind of these PlayStation branding things, and

1289
01:19:56.760 --> 01:19:59.720
then there would be an ad on
unit produced that would connect to existing super

1290
01:19:59.760 --> 01:20:03.800
fan coms uh and and be sold
you know. Sure enough. It had

1291
01:20:03.840 --> 01:20:06.159
that feature connector on the bottom of
it, Yeah, that they used for

1292
01:20:06.319 --> 01:20:11.439
the satel of You, which was
which got things from a satellite sure so

1293
01:20:11.720 --> 01:20:15.960
to play video satellite video games,
I remember correctly, like way before the

1294
01:20:15.079 --> 01:20:18.520
PlayStation itself happened, like when all
this deal stuff was going on, like

1295
01:20:18.800 --> 01:20:21.880
magazines and stuff were reporting on it, right like it was not about it

1296
01:20:23.039 --> 01:20:25.359
because you know, it's like you
know, Sega had, you know,

1297
01:20:25.760 --> 01:20:28.680
kind of played its hand the turbographics. The PC engine was out there with

1298
01:20:28.720 --> 01:20:30.000
similar technology. It was the sort
of thing you looked at and so like,

1299
01:20:30.039 --> 01:20:32.119
well, naturally they're gonna they've got
this connector on the bottom, like

1300
01:20:32.159 --> 01:20:35.319
this is where everyone's going, They'll
have to do this. So just kind

1301
01:20:35.319 --> 01:20:39.359
of in the context of history,
this isn't something where years later everybody heard

1302
01:20:39.359 --> 01:20:41.359
about this deal that fell through,
and they're like, oh, that would

1303
01:20:41.359 --> 01:20:43.760
have been crazy if that had happened, Like people were expecting it at the

1304
01:20:43.800 --> 01:20:45.760
time to come out. Yeah,
you would start to see like artist rendition

1305
01:20:45.800 --> 01:20:49.239
of this such as us thing.
Then the everything got a little muddy around

1306
01:20:49.239 --> 01:20:51.600
the time because like what had happened
is like they were doing a deal with

1307
01:20:51.680 --> 01:20:56.600
Sony, they ended up doing a
deal with Phillips that also didn't produce anything.

1308
01:20:57.479 --> 01:21:00.960
Uh, And then that deal with
Phillips is what then allowed Phillips,

1309
01:21:01.000 --> 01:21:05.399
who produced went on to produce the
CDI, to then use some of Nintendo's

1310
01:21:05.520 --> 01:21:11.840
characters in those fucking awful CDI games. Oh right, yes, like link

1311
01:21:12.239 --> 01:21:15.840
stuff, Yeah, the wand of
gamble On and with the Hands of Fate

1312
01:21:15.039 --> 01:21:18.640
or whatever it is, that fucking
Hotel Mario. Like there was some real

1313
01:21:20.000 --> 01:21:25.319
fucked up things. Yeah. So
I guess, because what is it really,

1314
01:21:25.680 --> 01:21:28.199
I guess the story is I think
I have this in the right order.

1315
01:21:28.279 --> 01:21:31.479
That relations between Nintendo and Sony soured, so Nintendo went to Phillips,

1316
01:21:32.079 --> 01:21:34.960
and then that ended up not making
any sense either because at that point they're

1317
01:21:34.960 --> 01:21:39.800
probably too late in this nest cycled
for them to even produce anything in a

1318
01:21:39.880 --> 01:21:43.560
timely fashion. Kind of probably just
a historical curiosity at this point. But

1319
01:21:43.600 --> 01:21:45.560
Sony and Phillips were the two companies
that had invented the CD, yeah,

1320
01:21:45.920 --> 01:21:47.920
the compact disc. Like, they
were the two companies, so you can

1321
01:21:48.000 --> 01:21:49.680
kind of see one incident. It
would be like, oh, let's go

1322
01:21:49.760 --> 01:21:53.479
with one or the other that made
this thing. Yeah, I guess I

1323
01:21:53.600 --> 01:21:57.239
take it for granted now that the
Sony PlayStation is a thing, But like

1324
01:21:57.479 --> 01:22:01.520
back then, Sony and Phillips were
kind of direct competitors, and it could

1325
01:22:01.640 --> 01:22:05.000
very easily have been like when both
of them got shut out from Nintendo,

1326
01:22:06.000 --> 01:22:10.880
Phillips made their CDI and Sony made
their PlayStation. Yeah, there's no reason

1327
01:22:10.960 --> 01:22:14.760
to think that. You know,
we could be talking about the Phillips CDI

1328
01:22:14.960 --> 01:22:17.159
right four now. Like it was
like thinking back to that era, like

1329
01:22:17.239 --> 01:22:20.760
it was really weird to think about
Sony making a video game console because they

1330
01:22:20.800 --> 01:22:24.880
were they were the people that made
VCRs. As weird as Microsoft making one,

1331
01:22:24.960 --> 01:22:26.520
Yeah, totally, Like it was
like, no, they make the

1332
01:22:26.520 --> 01:22:28.960
Walkman, they don't make video games, right, And it was at the

1333
01:22:29.000 --> 01:22:31.560
time, like so you know,
this was when multi media was happening.

1334
01:22:31.640 --> 01:22:34.960
This is when mist was the biggest
game in the world and in Carta and

1335
01:22:35.159 --> 01:22:40.039
Carda was the biggest game in the
world. Uh, you know, you

1336
01:22:40.119 --> 01:22:43.039
had the three d O, you
had like these expensive CD based systems,

1337
01:22:43.079 --> 01:22:45.960
like the CDI getting out there,
the CDTV, which was like an Amiga

1338
01:22:45.119 --> 01:22:50.520
just consolized, and the CD thirty
two, which was also another version of

1339
01:22:50.600 --> 01:22:58.000
that kind of and so like it
made sense in a way when you started

1340
01:22:58.079 --> 01:23:00.279
like so I started hearing like a
Sony is getting into the video game business,

1341
01:23:00.399 --> 01:23:04.039
like for real. I was working
in a magazine at the time,

1342
01:23:04.079 --> 01:23:09.720
and someone who worked there was was
like, Hey, so Sony's getting in

1343
01:23:09.800 --> 01:23:13.760
with something. Do you want to
meet with them? Like maybe we could

1344
01:23:13.760 --> 01:23:15.720
figure something out, Like they aren't. They aren't meeting with press, Like

1345
01:23:15.800 --> 01:23:18.199
that's it's they they're not quite sure
what they're doing yet, but they're doing

1346
01:23:18.319 --> 01:23:20.960
something. Like I could probably hook
you up with the guy over there who

1347
01:23:21.039 --> 01:23:24.680
was like their game guy. And
I was like absolutely, But then we

1348
01:23:24.760 --> 01:23:27.520
all got laid off in the magazine
shutdown before any of that stuff got set

1349
01:23:27.560 --> 01:23:29.520
up. Damn. But at the
time, like you heard about that,

1350
01:23:29.720 --> 01:23:32.039
and I was like, yeah,
I guess man, the fucking three dos

1351
01:23:32.079 --> 01:23:35.840
A shit show Phillips is making garbage
over here, Like it's you know,

1352
01:23:36.039 --> 01:23:40.479
like all this shit sucks. Like
the idea of Sony making a console,

1353
01:23:40.520 --> 01:23:44.000
You're like, that's gonna be fucking
trapped. Yeah, yeah, because you

1354
01:23:44.079 --> 01:23:46.319
figured it would basically be a VCR
or you know, like that quality of

1355
01:23:46.399 --> 01:23:49.840
propect, it would be really good
at playing like this the CD based systems

1356
01:23:49.880 --> 01:23:53.880
of the era we're pumping out ship. Nobody had done good video games on

1357
01:23:53.960 --> 01:23:57.439
CDs at the time. Well,
I mean they were different types of games.

1358
01:23:57.479 --> 01:24:00.840
Well they were. They were more
FMV based, they were more multimedia.

1359
01:24:00.880 --> 01:24:01.800
It was like, you know,
here's a shitty point and click adventure

1360
01:24:01.840 --> 01:24:05.520
game that has these kind of video
transitions from thing to the next. Like

1361
01:24:05.680 --> 01:24:11.079
I felt about Missed. The way
some of these assholes feel about Gone Home

1362
01:24:11.199 --> 01:24:15.319
now is that mist was so super
popular and such a fucked up thing that

1363
01:24:15.359 --> 01:24:16.800
I could look at it and go
like, that's that's if that's the direction

1364
01:24:16.840 --> 01:24:19.600
the video games are going in,
Like that's fuck because these games are bad

1365
01:24:21.119 --> 01:24:24.800
and it ended up being fine,
as it will this time as well.

1366
01:24:25.239 --> 01:24:27.880
But uh, at the time,
you you look at it and go like,

1367
01:24:27.920 --> 01:24:30.079
man, this is like this is
all these things are shit, why

1368
01:24:30.239 --> 01:24:34.199
all these you know, you saw
it as non video game companies encroaching on

1369
01:24:34.319 --> 01:24:38.960
video game territory with garbage. You're
like, okay, well that's that's not

1370
01:24:39.199 --> 01:24:42.039
we could do that. Yeah,
I got it xaty Cam Yeah totally.

1371
01:24:42.520 --> 01:24:45.640
Uh. And so there was no
reason to believe that Sony would have anything

1372
01:24:45.840 --> 01:24:50.239
that was worth the fuck at all. Yeah. Also, my impression was

1373
01:24:50.279 --> 01:24:54.880
always that, like there was a
fair amount of peak on Sony's part when

1374
01:24:54.920 --> 01:24:58.199
that whole thing fell through, and
that was kind of why they threw as

1375
01:24:58.279 --> 01:25:00.800
much muscle behind their effort as they
did. They have been making software like

1376
01:25:00.880 --> 01:25:04.319
Sony Image Software, Systed prior to
that, Like, they had been making

1377
01:25:04.439 --> 01:25:08.000
games right for a little bit,
and it was just like this thing fell

1378
01:25:08.039 --> 01:25:12.159
apart because pull the plug, right, I think they did. They letn

1379
01:25:12.600 --> 01:25:15.199
Yeah right, so like it I
think I feel like I remember reading that,

1380
01:25:15.279 --> 01:25:17.760
like people at Sony were very displeased
about that, and they were like,

1381
01:25:17.840 --> 01:25:20.199
well, fuck you, we're doing
ourselves then, yeah, exactly.

1382
01:25:20.560 --> 01:25:24.560
Uh. That that's that is my
understanding of it as well. And so

1383
01:25:24.680 --> 01:25:29.039
it kind of led to them developing
the PlayStation, yes, and and you

1384
01:25:29.119 --> 01:25:30.960
know, making very different choices than
Sega was making with a Saturn at the

1385
01:25:31.000 --> 01:25:33.840
time, but you know, like
making a system that was competitive in that

1386
01:25:34.000 --> 01:25:39.680
race and that didn't fall into that
kind of broader multimedia category, like you

1387
01:25:39.760 --> 01:25:43.479
weren't looking at like I have a
I have a CD TV disc that is

1388
01:25:44.359 --> 01:25:46.239
you'd love, It's awesome. It's
called Advanced Military Systems. It's just a

1389
01:25:46.279 --> 01:25:50.960
fucking encyclopedia where it's like stock music
and a guy talking to you about fucking

1390
01:25:51.000 --> 01:25:58.439
missile systems on aircraft carriers. It's
the toolest. It is exactly that,

1391
01:25:59.199 --> 01:26:00.800
uh, you know, and it
was stuff like that. You're just like

1392
01:26:00.920 --> 01:26:03.720
like half assed, like visual encyclopedias
and then games that weren't much better than

1393
01:26:03.720 --> 01:26:08.359
the visual encyclopedias, and then you
occasionally you get something that resembled a real

1394
01:26:08.479 --> 01:26:10.640
game, like a platform or something
like that, but then you realize,

1395
01:26:10.640 --> 01:26:13.039
like, oh, this controller is
terrible. Yeah, I'm getting the three

1396
01:26:13.079 --> 01:26:15.399
D it upside down right, understand
the three D O falls into that camp

1397
01:26:15.479 --> 01:26:17.920
too. Yeah, but you know, like the to Sony's credit and like

1398
01:26:18.000 --> 01:26:21.880
ken Kuaggi's credit, they rightly saw
that the future video games with three D

1399
01:26:21.960 --> 01:26:25.279
graphics. It wasn't CD ROM you
know, It's like they had a CD

1400
01:26:25.399 --> 01:26:27.880
ROM because you had two at the
time. But like they were storage but

1401
01:26:28.119 --> 01:26:30.279
they were forward thinking enough. Like
the whole you know, the whole story

1402
01:26:30.279 --> 01:26:32.000
about the Saturn is they built it
around two D and then when they realized

1403
01:26:32.039 --> 01:26:33.760
what they were up against, they
were like, oh fuck, what are

1404
01:26:33.760 --> 01:26:38.039
we gonna do? And they like
doubled the CPUs in there or whatever,

1405
01:26:38.159 --> 01:26:41.760
but that didn't help very much.
Yeah, yeah, whereas like like behind,

1406
01:26:42.000 --> 01:26:44.119
like you know, I remember the
first time I walked into a circuit

1407
01:26:44.159 --> 01:26:46.319
City and saw that t Rex demo
running on, like the demo PlayStation unit

1408
01:26:46.359 --> 01:26:48.079
there, and I was just like, holy fuck, this is the future.

1409
01:26:48.239 --> 01:26:50.640
It was the the you know,
whatever the E three it was or

1410
01:26:50.720 --> 01:26:55.439
whatever, the CS it was.
That like the PlayStation was out in Japan

1411
01:26:55.640 --> 01:26:58.720
or just about out in Japan,
and then like Sega was showing the Saturn

1412
01:26:58.800 --> 01:27:01.479
real big. But then there was
some third party controller manufacturer that had a

1413
01:27:01.520 --> 01:27:05.359
fucking PlayStation off to the side,
and we just sat there and played toshndon

1414
01:27:05.880 --> 01:27:09.920
for three days straight. It's crazy
looking at the coolest game in the world,

1415
01:27:10.119 --> 01:27:12.800
right, And like looking back,
like the FS one has not aged

1416
01:27:12.840 --> 01:27:15.680
super well visually, no, but
at the time, like it was just

1417
01:27:15.840 --> 01:27:17.520
like you fucking couldn't believe what you
were seeing on a TV. Yeah,

1418
01:27:17.560 --> 01:27:20.560
the idea that it was a console
that was coming out, and you looked

1419
01:27:20.600 --> 01:27:23.520
at it and then looked at the
stuff on the Saturn. You were just

1420
01:27:23.560 --> 01:27:26.159
like, man, the Saturn,
like even right then and there before any

1421
01:27:26.199 --> 01:27:28.880
of it, any of it was
in stores, or maybe that was actually

1422
01:27:28.880 --> 01:27:31.000
the might have been the year of
the Saturn and hit stores. I don't

1423
01:27:31.000 --> 01:27:33.239
know, it's all hazy. The
years get hazy for me. Sorry,

1424
01:27:33.319 --> 01:27:39.039
but you definitely looked at that ship
and said, fucking Sega is fucked,

1425
01:27:39.159 --> 01:27:43.119
Like none of this ship's even out
in this country yet and they are fucked,

1426
01:27:45.479 --> 01:27:48.560
which made it really interesting. And
it's it's where I mean, we

1427
01:27:48.720 --> 01:27:51.079
talked about it a bit last week, but it's where the Sega fans got

1428
01:27:51.119 --> 01:27:54.760
fucking rough, you know, once
the Saturn came out, and you were

1429
01:27:54.800 --> 01:27:56.720
like, Okay, these games are
not as good, Like technically the two

1430
01:27:56.760 --> 01:27:59.880
D stuff is better, and that's
great. I like fighting games too,

1431
01:28:00.600 --> 01:28:02.600
but let's not kid ourselves. And
you had these people that were living in

1432
01:28:02.680 --> 01:28:05.079
this alternate world where they were like, no, fuck you. The Saturn

1433
01:28:05.159 --> 01:28:12.359
is the system about a game called
nights. Yeah, exactly. That is

1434
01:28:12.399 --> 01:28:15.800
a perfect example, like people that
would fucking go to bat for fucking nights.

1435
01:28:17.000 --> 01:28:23.680
Yeah. Uh, that controller was
pretty good as the first like analog.

1436
01:28:24.159 --> 01:28:27.399
Yeah yeah, I know is for
for what it was. The controller

1437
01:28:27.520 --> 01:28:31.680
was not the problem with Knights,
I know. All of this is to

1438
01:28:31.800 --> 01:28:38.920
say that as much as we thought
that that Nintendo Sony thing was just like

1439
01:28:39.000 --> 01:28:44.720
kind of an artifact of history,
somebody found one. What what? A

1440
01:28:44.880 --> 01:28:49.000
Nintendo PlayStation has been discovered one of
the rooms off to the side of Tuton

1441
01:28:49.079 --> 01:28:55.119
Commons Tomb basically like basically was found
in the guy's attic more or less wow,

1442
01:28:55.520 --> 01:28:59.239
common attic. Hang on, pull
up the guy's name here real fast,

1443
01:28:59.399 --> 01:29:02.039
Dan and Diebold or de Bold.
He was the guy who found it,

1444
01:29:02.680 --> 01:29:05.359
but it was actually his father,
Terry, who was in possession of

1445
01:29:05.439 --> 01:29:11.560
it. Oh these names sounds super
familiar. Yeah yeah, keep talking.

1446
01:29:11.720 --> 01:29:16.439
Well, wait to make a very
long story short, Terry Diebold had worked

1447
01:29:17.079 --> 01:29:23.840
as a maintenance guy at a company
that Sorry, I'm trying to parse the

1448
01:29:24.439 --> 01:29:28.399
history here. He worked as a
maintenance guy at a company, the president

1449
01:29:28.399 --> 01:29:31.760
of which used to be the CEO
of Sony Interactive Entertainment. Way back when

1450
01:29:34.560 --> 01:29:40.319
it is. Absolutely. He's also
a physicist and best selling novelist in addition

1451
01:29:40.359 --> 01:29:43.920
to those other things. But but
yeah, that was like Sony Interactive Entertainment

1452
01:29:44.039 --> 01:29:48.520
was like the precursor to Sony Computer
Entertainment. Yeah, that's how I understand

1453
01:29:48.560 --> 01:29:53.960
it. So he would have been
around when all that prototyping and nincendo stuff

1454
01:29:54.000 --> 01:29:58.600
is going on, and best as
I can tell, a bunch of junk

1455
01:29:58.760 --> 01:30:03.840
made it from sie over to this
new company that'll off all off some yeah,

1456
01:30:04.000 --> 01:30:09.560
founded or left there. Yeah.
Uh. And then when that company

1457
01:30:10.640 --> 01:30:15.560
went bankrupt in two thousand and nine, Terry Diebold was told to clean out

1458
01:30:15.560 --> 01:30:17.960
a bunch of stuff and throw a
bunch of things away and found a box

1459
01:30:18.159 --> 01:30:21.239
in like the basement or a storage
area of this company that had this thing

1460
01:30:21.319 --> 01:30:25.640
in it. Yeah, and just
decided to grab it instead of throwing it

1461
01:30:25.720 --> 01:30:30.359
out. And then his son found
it and posted a photo on Reddit over

1462
01:30:30.399 --> 01:30:33.319
the weekend, and everybody lost their
mind. Wow, I'm looking at it

1463
01:30:33.439 --> 01:30:36.039
right now. Yeah, isn't it
crazy? He's posted some video of it

1464
01:30:36.119 --> 01:30:40.239
since that makes it seem like it
is legit. Yeah, it seems if

1465
01:30:40.279 --> 01:30:43.840
it's fake, it's super elaborate,
really good fake. Yeah, that that

1466
01:30:44.039 --> 01:30:47.279
that controller, which is literally just
a super Famicom controller, but it has

1467
01:30:47.319 --> 01:30:51.720
a PlayStation logo on it is so
crazy, Like it blows my mind that

1468
01:30:51.760 --> 01:30:55.239
they got to the point of having
the logo designed and everything. It's not

1469
01:30:55.359 --> 01:30:58.600
even it's not the it's not quite
the exact font. Yeah, it's yeah,

1470
01:30:58.600 --> 01:31:00.800
there are some differences, but they
close. Like yeah, it's not

1471
01:31:00.960 --> 01:31:03.560
like you know, it's not like
prototype zero zero one or something that's like

1472
01:31:03.680 --> 01:31:08.800
here is the more or less a
PlayStation Alowe, it's it's it's white plastic

1473
01:31:08.920 --> 01:31:14.680
like the Super Inteescent. It has
yellowed in just the same Sony PlayStation on

1474
01:31:14.760 --> 01:31:17.119
it. Yep, this is wild. Yeah, it's insane. He doesn't

1475
01:31:17.119 --> 01:31:20.199
happen. He does not have a
power adapter for it, but he says

1476
01:31:20.239 --> 01:31:23.880
he's so he says he's looking into
getting one, although that scares me.

1477
01:31:24.000 --> 01:31:26.359
He basically just says, like I'm
gonna go try to buy a power adapter.

1478
01:31:26.560 --> 01:31:29.439
No, man, you need to
talk like an electrical engineers, like

1479
01:31:29.600 --> 01:31:30.560
I don't want to blow this thing
up, Like, do not try to

1480
01:31:30.600 --> 01:31:34.640
power that thing on without Steve Lynn
present, Lease, what do you think

1481
01:31:34.680 --> 01:31:38.920
this thing is worth? I mean, it's it's a one of a con

1482
01:31:39.159 --> 01:31:43.960
you know, like the numbers of
these were probably destroyed. The story I

1483
01:31:44.000 --> 01:31:46.760
was reading said that they had two
hundred prototypes produced and that Sony ordered them

1484
01:31:46.800 --> 01:31:50.800
all destroyed. So some presumably some
of them survived. Yeah, this may

1485
01:31:50.840 --> 01:31:54.439
not be the only one in the
world, but it's probably close. Yeah,

1486
01:31:56.600 --> 01:32:00.079
more than that, probably, Yeah, uh, because I mean and

1487
01:32:00.720 --> 01:32:05.159
rare cartridges go for tens of thousands. Yeah. Right, so he's got

1488
01:32:05.239 --> 01:32:09.920
he's got one cartridge and one CD
that we're with it, and he doesn't

1489
01:32:09.960 --> 01:32:12.239
know what are on them obviously because
he has booted the thing up. Yet

1490
01:32:13.439 --> 01:32:18.800
there could be like test software to
become the end of et Like Steve Lynn

1491
01:32:19.159 --> 01:32:25.960
in a radiation students it's coming there
with an electrical engineer and one of those

1492
01:32:26.119 --> 01:32:30.920
like you know the tanks with the
gloves that are medically sealed. Yep,

1493
01:32:30.840 --> 01:32:34.800
take it into a clean room.
Dustin Hoffman. Yeah, it's a crazy

1494
01:32:34.880 --> 01:32:38.439
find. Like, whoever thought that
they would see one of these things?

1495
01:32:38.600 --> 01:32:43.840
Nobody? Yeah, it's there's something
there's something like almost mythological to me about

1496
01:32:44.640 --> 01:32:47.359
consoles that never came out. Yeah, like them two them two, the

1497
01:32:47.439 --> 01:32:50.399
three do successor has always been the
thing to me it was like that thing

1498
01:32:50.479 --> 01:32:54.359
almost came to market, but not
quite like they made it, but it

1499
01:32:54.439 --> 01:32:57.840
never got sold. There was the
and people have those like Steve Steve.

1500
01:32:59.119 --> 01:33:01.039
Yeah, two dev kids got out
there, and you know, just like

1501
01:33:01.159 --> 01:33:05.399
this is technically a dev kid right
right, it's just form just way more

1502
01:33:05.520 --> 01:33:10.720
rare and more legendary. Yeah,
there's other stuff out there like that.

1503
01:33:11.680 --> 01:33:15.600
Did the Phantom ever come out?
The machine didn't like the board, Yeah,

1504
01:33:15.680 --> 01:33:19.600
but the fan was just kind of
a PC anyway. It technically wasn't

1505
01:33:20.039 --> 01:33:23.800
anything on its own. But but
I think for me, the thing,

1506
01:33:23.960 --> 01:33:26.760
the thing layered on top of everything
else about this is just the sort of

1507
01:33:28.319 --> 01:33:30.039
you know, the baller status of
these two companies, you know Joe,

1508
01:33:30.199 --> 01:33:33.079
like two of the biggest names in
the history video games. It got together

1509
01:33:33.159 --> 01:33:36.880
and almost made a thing, and
it actually exists. I've seen so many

1510
01:33:36.960 --> 01:33:42.000
different like prototype mock ups of that, like actual illustrations of what this is

1511
01:33:42.079 --> 01:33:44.439
going to be like, and to
find out that it actually exists, I

1512
01:33:44.520 --> 01:33:45.760
mean, I knew that there had
to be something, but you know,

1513
01:33:46.439 --> 01:33:48.840
I assumed it was just going to
be like in a you know, big

1514
01:33:49.039 --> 01:33:53.960
black box, right that was not
like something not something that looks more or

1515
01:33:54.000 --> 01:33:56.399
less like what they would have sold. Yeah, I mean, there's other

1516
01:33:56.439 --> 01:33:59.920
stuff out there that never came out. Was, oh, the Conics Multi

1517
01:34:00.039 --> 01:34:01.399
System, That's what I was thinking
of. It's like it was a British

1518
01:34:01.600 --> 01:34:05.640
produced console that I think it was
supposed to be around the PS one era.

1519
01:34:06.039 --> 01:34:09.920
Well, but that got some coverage
but never came out. Nothing that

1520
01:34:10.239 --> 01:34:15.720
so encapsulates like or is so pivotal
in the modern right or the history of

1521
01:34:15.800 --> 01:34:18.600
videos, like if if that deal
had gone through physical object like this,

1522
01:34:18.960 --> 01:34:23.279
like if that thing had come out, like who could say what the game

1523
01:34:23.359 --> 01:34:29.159
landscape would look like? These exactly
if if Nintendo had embraced CD technology early

1524
01:34:29.359 --> 01:34:32.399
on and it had been successful enough
that they built it into their future consoles

1525
01:34:32.840 --> 01:34:36.520
like you would have had like Final
Fantasy seven would have stayed assisted on a

1526
01:34:36.600 --> 01:34:42.760
Nintendo would have remained a Nintendo franchise, wouldn't have been three D though.

1527
01:34:43.520 --> 01:34:45.880
I mean that's probably because that's what
Square wanted to do, like they remember,

1528
01:34:45.920 --> 01:34:50.319
like the remember Square was doing tests
on like SGI derived like in sixty

1529
01:34:50.359 --> 01:34:54.760
four stuff before they moved over the
PlayStation. They clearly wanted to go in

1530
01:34:54.840 --> 01:34:57.520
that direction. But not only that, but Nintendo would have been working with

1531
01:34:57.600 --> 01:35:00.920
like Kutaragi and those other minds that
Sony that made the PlayStation to happen,

1532
01:35:00.960 --> 01:35:03.239
you know, like right, like
it could have just remained an intento versus

1533
01:35:03.279 --> 01:35:06.720
saga thing if if Sony had liked
that partnership and kept going with it.

1534
01:35:06.920 --> 01:35:11.239
Yeah, and then you know,
like the Sony's success like had to at

1535
01:35:11.319 --> 01:35:14.039
least if played a role in Microsoft
getting in. Like looking at it,

1536
01:35:14.119 --> 01:35:16.159
go like, well, you know, if someone someone has entered this space

1537
01:35:16.319 --> 01:35:20.840
recently enough that we feel we can
make a dent too. And it's not

1538
01:35:20.920 --> 01:35:24.199
to say that they would have never
gotten in if Sony hadn't. You know,

1539
01:35:24.239 --> 01:35:29.640
it's it's not overstate things, but
like certainly all of these things would

1540
01:35:29.640 --> 01:35:31.720
play some kind of Yeah, it's
definitely one of those like it's it's you

1541
01:35:31.760 --> 01:35:34.520
could not predict it. Yeah,
you could not predict what video games would

1542
01:35:34.520 --> 01:35:39.000
look like if if this stuff had
gone had come to pass, Yeah,

1543
01:35:39.039 --> 01:35:42.359
totally. So Yeah, that's that's
why this thing is so exciting. Uh

1544
01:35:42.479 --> 01:35:45.239
and I hope they successfully managed to
turn it on at some point. Yeah,

1545
01:35:45.279 --> 01:35:47.479
I would love to just see the
boot up sequence, Like what what

1546
01:35:47.560 --> 01:35:50.920
the fucks that thing look like?
What does it do? Yeh, God,

1547
01:35:51.159 --> 01:35:55.520
there's some some something on there,
something that looks like a video game

1548
01:35:55.600 --> 01:35:59.520
just that far along, like design
wise, because you know, like the

1549
01:35:59.600 --> 01:36:02.239
Sagas, he bolted extra computing stuff
onto this Genesis. You know, it

1550
01:36:02.319 --> 01:36:04.880
had scaling and rotation and stuff.
It wasn't just a CD ROM. It

1551
01:36:04.960 --> 01:36:09.239
made it a more powerful system.
So if they had done something similar to

1552
01:36:09.279 --> 01:36:12.479
the super nes like who knows what
that thing could have done? Eight graphics,

1553
01:36:12.640 --> 01:36:17.520
yeah, modate, modate man.
Oh yeah, it's it's crazy to

1554
01:36:17.600 --> 01:36:20.039
think about that thing. Yeah,
showing up, It's it's really cool.

1555
01:36:20.119 --> 01:36:23.079
There's not a lot else to say, Like, you know, he says,

1556
01:36:23.079 --> 01:36:24.680
he's, like I said, he's
gonna try to get some power for

1557
01:36:24.760 --> 01:36:28.479
it. He's got like a friend
in somewhere that's got a retro game shop.

1558
01:36:28.479 --> 01:36:30.319
He's gonna get to look at it. He said something about his dad's

1559
01:36:30.319 --> 01:36:35.039
selling it. Who knows where this
thing is gonna go? Or I suspect

1560
01:36:35.119 --> 01:36:40.319
that, you know, if he
can, he should. He should actually

1561
01:36:40.399 --> 01:36:43.159
not do anything with that ship and
just sell it. I think so to

1562
01:36:43.399 --> 01:36:45.920
someone who could seriously and appreciate it
and take care of it. Send that

1563
01:36:45.960 --> 01:36:48.920
thing in, get it grated,
right, Yeah, get that CD in

1564
01:36:48.960 --> 01:36:56.560
cased in plastic. Yeah, yeah, it's he just takes it to Vegas,

1565
01:36:57.399 --> 01:37:00.640
just sets it on black. Yeah, it's cool. It's super cool.

1566
01:37:01.199 --> 01:37:05.000
Yeah, I'm really excited to see
something else hopefully come out of that.

1567
01:37:06.479 --> 01:37:11.520
Yeah. Yeah, it'd be nice
to know like who had those kits,

1568
01:37:11.680 --> 01:37:14.600
like who was working with it,
Like had it gone out to any

1569
01:37:14.640 --> 01:37:16.880
third parties in a meaningful way,
like you would assume those are the ones

1570
01:37:16.960 --> 01:37:19.840
that probably got returned you you would
think, yeah, totally, totally,

1571
01:37:20.000 --> 01:37:24.439
But you would think that like the
software end of that stuff would have like

1572
01:37:24.600 --> 01:37:27.520
people would talk about it a little
more freely now like they have Well you

1573
01:37:27.600 --> 01:37:29.800
know, this was in development here
and this is what it looked like,

1574
01:37:29.960 --> 01:37:31.640
and obviously it never came to pass. But here's you know, you would

1575
01:37:31.680 --> 01:37:34.840
think some footage of a game or
something like that. We're definitely getting the

1576
01:37:34.920 --> 01:37:40.279
point where that stuff has been long
enough ago that era of games that people

1577
01:37:40.560 --> 01:37:43.800
feel a lot more at liberty to
Like did I did I tell you about

1578
01:37:43.800 --> 01:37:47.239
that story Gret Kirko told on his
Twitter about Diddy Kong Racing being an RC

1579
01:37:47.399 --> 01:37:50.119
pro am game. Yeah, like
you could go find his tweets. This

1580
01:37:50.239 --> 01:37:54.960
was only a week or two ago, but he went into very specific detail

1581
01:37:55.079 --> 01:38:00.239
about they were doing what was it. I think they were doing Bajoca Zoie

1582
01:38:00.239 --> 01:38:01.000
at the time, and it was
like, you know, it was a

1583
01:38:01.039 --> 01:38:04.119
big thing for Nintendo and they showed
it at D three and they had met

1584
01:38:04.159 --> 01:38:09.560
with Howard Lincoln who said, this
game fucking has to come out by Christmas,

1585
01:38:10.479 --> 01:38:12.960
and they knew there was absolutely no
way that was going to happen.

1586
01:38:13.199 --> 01:38:15.800
Yeah, so this RC pro Am
game that was being worked on got a

1587
01:38:15.840 --> 01:38:19.439
bunch of Donkey Kong stuff slapped into
it like existing assets, just like if

1588
01:38:19.439 --> 01:38:23.399
we could finish it. Well this
I don't know where the models and stuff

1589
01:38:23.399 --> 01:38:26.680
came from, but they basically turned
in rcpro Am game into Diddy Kong Racing

1590
01:38:26.760 --> 01:38:30.239
so they would have that game for
holiday because Banjo was not gonna make it.

1591
01:38:30.439 --> 01:38:33.399
Oh because okay, Like they basically
did that to get a get a

1592
01:38:33.479 --> 01:38:38.119
sort of franchised like character game out
for the holiday because they didn't have Banjo,

1593
01:38:38.319 --> 01:38:40.920
like you can. You know.
He obviously goes into more detail on

1594
01:38:41.119 --> 01:38:44.039
his Twitter if you go back and
find those tweets, but it's just it's

1595
01:38:44.039 --> 01:38:48.920
awesome that people and Curb Hope tweet
of the week. It's it's just whatever.

1596
01:38:48.960 --> 01:38:51.119
There's books, you know, there's
books about the console Wars and stuff

1597
01:38:51.159 --> 01:38:55.199
from that era also out at this
point, like movies on the way people

1598
01:38:55.239 --> 01:39:00.600
are really yeah, they're making two
movies about the console war book really yeah,

1599
01:39:00.640 --> 01:39:06.479
one when a documentary, one a
fictionalize like huh, who's who's gonna

1600
01:39:06.479 --> 01:39:12.199
play Tom Kleinski, Tom Klenski will, Yeah, that'd be the best.

1601
01:39:12.680 --> 01:39:15.039
Yeah, It's it's super cool to
see stories and hardware and all kinds of

1602
01:39:15.039 --> 01:39:18.680
ship coming out of that era.
Yeah, because that was kind of that

1603
01:39:18.800 --> 01:39:29.239
was kind of when everything changed.
Yeah, definitely onto somewhat more pedestrian news.

1604
01:39:30.720 --> 01:39:34.560
Minecraft Windows ten Edition, Yeah,
I have one question. Okay,

1605
01:39:34.760 --> 01:39:42.479
why because they can h So this
this is something that so I yeah,

1606
01:39:42.479 --> 01:39:45.159
I read through this when they announced
it. It's it's a it'll launch in

1607
01:39:45.239 --> 01:39:48.800
beta alongside Windows ten so end of
this month. Uh, and it's gonna

1608
01:39:48.880 --> 01:39:55.399
be like Minecraft Pocket Edition is or
like the console versions or something like that

1609
01:39:55.479 --> 01:39:59.439
where kind of will connect to its
own stuff and be it's not meant as

1610
01:39:59.439 --> 01:40:01.880
a replaced meant for the existing So
this does not interface with the Java version

1611
01:40:01.960 --> 01:40:04.680
like that there. Don't think it
will, Okay, but I don't know.

1612
01:40:06.119 --> 01:40:09.520
I don't know, because that's the
thing. All the the mods,

1613
01:40:09.520 --> 01:40:12.560
all the crazy stuff is written for
yeah. Yeah, and and the other

1614
01:40:12.760 --> 01:40:15.680
editions are a little more closed,
you know, obviously, you know,

1615
01:40:15.680 --> 01:40:18.119
a console version of Minecraft. These
you know, pocket edition versions of Minecraft

1616
01:40:18.119 --> 01:40:23.800
are gonna be a little little a
little more close. So this will connect

1617
01:40:23.880 --> 01:40:28.560
to Pocket Edition, which I guess
exists on like Windows Phone and some other

1618
01:40:28.680 --> 01:40:32.079
stuff. It'll add touch support for
you're playing on the surface or something like

1619
01:40:32.119 --> 01:40:34.760
that, you know, taking advantage
of Windows ten. It will have Xbox

1620
01:40:34.880 --> 01:40:39.640
Live support to will let eight players
collect together that way for like that kind

1621
01:40:39.680 --> 01:40:43.359
of matchmaking type stuff. And I
don't know if that means it will have

1622
01:40:43.439 --> 01:40:45.720
limitations, you know, you think
about like I think Pocket Edition would traditionally

1623
01:40:45.840 --> 01:40:50.359
work in a smaller than even the
console Minecraft games would work in a smaller

1624
01:40:50.479 --> 01:40:56.960
version of the world than regular Minecraft, which is theoretically you just go and

1625
01:40:57.319 --> 01:41:01.039
uh yeah, I mean, it
just seems like a thing that they are

1626
01:41:01.159 --> 01:41:05.960
making to have a version of Minecraft
in the Windows Store, which is how

1627
01:41:06.000 --> 01:41:09.840
you'll get it, And if you
if you own existing PC Minecraft, you'll

1628
01:41:09.840 --> 01:41:14.199
get this free Okay, Like I
can see the touch screen control, you

1629
01:41:14.239 --> 01:41:17.520
know, being like a major factor
for you know, them bringing the pocket

1630
01:41:17.640 --> 01:41:20.479
version. I guess yeah. Other
than that, I don't I don't understand

1631
01:41:20.520 --> 01:41:23.840
why. Well yeah, I guess
yeah, I don't really. I mean,

1632
01:41:24.000 --> 01:41:27.640
you know, freeing themselves from Java
probably would make help them make something

1633
01:41:27.640 --> 01:41:30.600
a little more robust if they if
they got away from that a little bit.

1634
01:41:30.720 --> 01:41:32.079
But at the same time, like
so now I have to imagine that

1635
01:41:32.159 --> 01:41:36.159
like the Hollow Lens Minecraft thing I
was playing, probably was that this version

1636
01:41:36.199 --> 01:41:40.800
of the game. Yeah, because
Hollow Lens is a Windows ten device,

1637
01:41:43.399 --> 01:41:47.479
and yeah, it's it's strange,
there's so many versions of that game out

1638
01:41:47.479 --> 01:41:50.760
there. I saw some I saw
some Minecraft fans that were pretty frustrated by

1639
01:41:50.800 --> 01:41:55.159
this news in a in a very
like of course Microsoft would do this sort

1640
01:41:55.199 --> 01:42:01.199
of way. Why because it is
kind of a close platform. It's one

1641
01:42:01.199 --> 01:42:04.000
of those things where like the announcement
didn't come with much in the way of

1642
01:42:04.079 --> 01:42:09.399
here's what we're doing to actual real
Minecraft, and so the fear is that

1643
01:42:09.760 --> 01:42:13.840
you know, eventually, yeah,
eventually they just phase that thing out and

1644
01:42:13.920 --> 01:42:18.319
then here's this closed off, actually
technically less capable Minecraft game. That we're

1645
01:42:18.399 --> 01:42:21.239
now happy to sell you. Well, that was you know that, like

1646
01:42:21.359 --> 01:42:25.000
the fury over that stuff was a
big part of why not. She said,

1647
01:42:25.000 --> 01:42:28.439
he sold the damn company like he's
you know, he said the final

1648
01:42:28.520 --> 01:42:32.560
straw was like that that issue where
he stopped paid mods from happening and got

1649
01:42:32.640 --> 01:42:35.399
so much like hatred over it that
he was just like, I'm I can't

1650
01:42:35.439 --> 01:42:39.359
deal with this anymore. Yeah,
and that's when he got He straight up

1651
01:42:39.359 --> 01:42:43.600
said that was the point that I
got serious about selling the company. Uh,

1652
01:42:43.880 --> 01:42:46.600
people like their Minecraft. They have
strong opinions about their mindcraft. Yeah,

1653
01:42:46.600 --> 01:42:49.920
it's at some point that Hassle's just
not worth it. Yeah, well

1654
01:42:50.039 --> 01:42:54.880
it actually apparently it's worth it quite
a lot. But who knows what Microsoft's

1655
01:42:54.920 --> 01:42:58.640
long term plans are for that property? Though? Something shady? I'll bet

1656
01:42:58.920 --> 01:43:02.359
think I crow Craft? I mean
I would who knows? Man, Like,

1657
01:43:02.600 --> 01:43:04.680
you know, what do they come
back with like smaller blocks so you

1658
01:43:04.720 --> 01:43:08.520
can make more refined stuff? Is
it just like vauxhall Craft at some point?

1659
01:43:08.720 --> 01:43:11.560
Okay? Maybe I don't know,
But do you ever make a sequel

1660
01:43:11.600 --> 01:43:14.960
to Minecraft? Sure? I mean, like what if this had been Minecraft

1661
01:43:15.039 --> 01:43:17.560
too? I think it like,
well that that would be disappointing because this

1662
01:43:17.680 --> 01:43:20.680
is like it's just less you know, you know, but I think there's

1663
01:43:20.720 --> 01:43:24.840
probably something to be said for like, Okay, here's what people like to

1664
01:43:24.880 --> 01:43:29.479
do in Minecraft. Here are the
limitations we're facing due to decisions that were

1665
01:43:29.520 --> 01:43:33.319
made about Minecraft years ago. How
do we free ourselves from those decisions to

1666
01:43:33.720 --> 01:43:36.439
enable the game to go on to
greater heights? Sure, Like, that's

1667
01:43:36.479 --> 01:43:41.399
why you make That's why you refactory. That's why you make a sequel to

1668
01:43:41.600 --> 01:43:44.520
that thing, is because at some
point you have to go like, okay,

1669
01:43:44.880 --> 01:43:48.680
like we can't do much more with
it, so we have to make

1670
01:43:48.800 --> 01:43:54.399
some major changes under the hood in
order to get this thing, you know,

1671
01:43:54.800 --> 01:43:58.399
moving forward again. Guess so,
I guess I've I've come to think

1672
01:43:58.439 --> 01:44:02.560
of Minecraft as or like I've raced
that Minecraft as digital Lego analogy. Yeah,

1673
01:44:02.680 --> 01:44:06.039
yeah, so thoroughly at this point
that like like you would never have

1674
01:44:06.199 --> 01:44:10.720
Lego two, you know, like
there are all kinds of weird permutations on

1675
01:44:10.880 --> 01:44:14.640
Lego. Lego is just Lego,
that's true, you know what I mean,

1676
01:44:14.920 --> 01:44:16.159
Like, you don't iterate a sequel
on the Minecraft. You just do

1677
01:44:16.239 --> 01:44:19.199
a bunch of weird, random offshoot
stuff with it. Totally. Yeah,

1678
01:44:20.560 --> 01:44:25.279
but at some point, like if
you want to keep core Minecraft moving forward,

1679
01:44:25.359 --> 01:44:27.680
like I just wonder, you know, and I'm no fucking programmer,

1680
01:44:27.760 --> 01:44:30.680
Like I couldn't tell you, like, you know what what struggles they face

1681
01:44:30.760 --> 01:44:33.279
by having that thing to be based
in Java? But that thing is kind

1682
01:44:33.279 --> 01:44:38.000
of a they think could be more
efficient. I think that's the the impression

1683
01:44:38.000 --> 01:44:41.960
I get Java is very efficient,
Jeff as a former programmer. Yeah,

1684
01:44:42.119 --> 01:44:45.640
no, it's not. I feel
like I see nothing but complaints about the

1685
01:44:45.880 --> 01:44:48.840
javaness of that client. Yeah.
So if they were able to expense reports

1686
01:44:48.840 --> 01:44:54.199
software runs in jobs, yes,
and it's a piece of fucking shit about

1687
01:44:54.239 --> 01:44:59.479
Minecraft. Uh yeah, man,
you know, at some point it probably

1688
01:44:59.479 --> 01:45:01.159
makes sense, like if you really
want to move forward, it's it's it's

1689
01:45:01.199 --> 01:45:03.880
even it's not even necessarily about I
mean, of course it is about,

1690
01:45:04.159 --> 01:45:08.720
you know, hey, let's come
up with another product to sell by if

1691
01:45:08.760 --> 01:45:14.279
you were to make a sequel to
Minecraft or another another Minecraft. But I

1692
01:45:14.359 --> 01:45:18.199
think they're they're probably also some real
benefits to that approach that would free them

1693
01:45:18.239 --> 01:45:21.159
from that lego. But if you
wanted to make a sequel to a game

1694
01:45:21.359 --> 01:45:29.079
as humongous as Minecraft, you would
want to give new architecture and programming and

1695
01:45:29.159 --> 01:45:34.119
software a shot on something a little
like this. First. Yeah, maybe,

1696
01:45:34.199 --> 01:45:36.439
I mean, you know, they've
they've i mean, Minecraft has been

1697
01:45:36.920 --> 01:45:41.039
produced and reproduced in a zillion different
environments, not in job you know,

1698
01:45:41.199 --> 01:45:45.000
console versions, phone versions, all
this other stuff. So uh, they've

1699
01:45:45.039 --> 01:45:51.600
definitely gotten used to putting that stuff
other places. Yeah. I don't know,

1700
01:45:51.760 --> 01:45:55.840
it's it's like to me, it's
like frustrating because it's just like this

1701
01:45:56.039 --> 01:45:59.880
legacy that Microsoft has of launching OSS
with fucking games that only run on that

1702
01:46:00.039 --> 01:46:02.199
OS. Yep. I just think
that sucks. Yep, it's just a

1703
01:46:02.239 --> 01:46:04.920
shitty look every time, you're just
like, you don't. I mean,

1704
01:46:05.359 --> 01:46:08.920
what was the most endfamous one was
like Halo two and Vista, right,

1705
01:46:09.079 --> 01:46:13.640
yeah, yeah, No, it
won't run on course not It's impossible except

1706
01:46:13.680 --> 01:46:16.159
for like fucking two days afterwards when
they fucking cobble that ship together and made

1707
01:46:16.159 --> 01:46:20.600
it ran and ran just fine on
older versions of Windows. And they do

1708
01:46:20.680 --> 01:46:25.680
that with direct x every time.
Yeah, yeah, as well, you

1709
01:46:25.760 --> 01:46:28.319
know, and this is something that
will be a Windows Store app. I

1710
01:46:28.359 --> 01:46:30.840
don't even necessarily think that there's anything
in the architecture that would prevent it from

1711
01:46:30.880 --> 01:46:34.119
running on older versions of Windows.
It's just that older versions of Windows won't

1712
01:46:34.119 --> 01:46:39.359
connect to the Windows ten store right
right, So yeah, they'll make for

1713
01:46:39.439 --> 01:46:41.920
a hell of a thumbnail on their
store. I guess, I guess,

1714
01:46:42.239 --> 01:46:44.479
Payne. What are they calling those? I don't know, and I don't

1715
01:46:44.479 --> 01:46:46.159
know, but you know, the
thing I say is like, at least

1716
01:46:46.159 --> 01:46:49.039
it's free to existing owners, like
they didn't necessarily have to do that because

1717
01:46:49.319 --> 01:46:54.159
those Windows for that point. Sure, for that matter, it's I like

1718
01:46:54.279 --> 01:46:57.520
Windows ten. Yeah, looking forward
to trying it. It's almost out.

1719
01:46:57.720 --> 01:46:59.840
Yep, it's later to the month, three weeks away. I mean,

1720
01:47:00.159 --> 01:47:01.640
you could just install it right now
if you want. Not ready, No,

1721
01:47:02.000 --> 01:47:08.000
not ready yet? Yeah I am. It means a new computer wipe

1722
01:47:08.039 --> 01:47:11.600
and I like doing that. Yeah
yeah, yeah, I'd not wipe mine.

1723
01:47:11.760 --> 01:47:15.159
Yeah. I hear the actual what
do they call it? Like an

1724
01:47:15.199 --> 01:47:17.079
in place upgrade? Is it?
Yeah? Terminology? Like I hear,

1725
01:47:17.159 --> 01:47:20.520
the upgrade process to ten is a
little smoother. It's not quite as shitty

1726
01:47:20.560 --> 01:47:23.439
as it used to be. Install
I mean, you good excuse for me

1727
01:47:23.520 --> 01:47:26.239
to kind of but you're right clean. I did it months ago, so

1728
01:47:26.760 --> 01:47:29.119
you know, who knows how it's
changed since then, but yeah, it's

1729
01:47:29.119 --> 01:47:30.720
been It was smooth then, Yeah, And it was the first time that

1730
01:47:30.800 --> 01:47:35.439
they said. I think they because
when they did Windows eight betas and stuff,

1731
01:47:36.119 --> 01:47:39.439
it was very much like, hey, you're not gonna be able to

1732
01:47:39.479 --> 01:47:43.600
upgrade the final from this, you
will have to wipe Uh well that's right.

1733
01:47:43.720 --> 01:47:45.560
Yeah, And then they're always like
registry hacks and fucked up shit you

1734
01:47:45.600 --> 01:47:49.760
could do to actually do an in
place upgrade, and then doing that broke

1735
01:47:49.800 --> 01:47:53.199
a bunch of fucking apps and a
bunch of other weird stuff along the way,

1736
01:47:53.279 --> 01:47:55.479
like the camera app doesn't work anymore. But I'd never use that shit

1737
01:47:55.560 --> 01:47:58.319
anyways, so who cares? Uh, same deal for eight point one,

1738
01:47:58.359 --> 01:48:00.880
it was like they didn't want you
to upgrade, but I did it.

1739
01:48:00.439 --> 01:48:05.439
Uh, And actually installing the Windows
ten stuff actually fixed all the weird problems

1740
01:48:05.479 --> 01:48:10.960
I was once. So uh yeah
that that OS has been fine. Good.

1741
01:48:11.600 --> 01:48:15.640
So I don't know it's the all
the video card well, I don't

1742
01:48:15.640 --> 01:48:17.920
know. In video drivers have been. They've been at least for Windows.

1743
01:48:18.039 --> 01:48:23.119
Yeah, drivers are a little spotty
until right up, Well they're not at

1744
01:48:23.159 --> 01:48:25.920
leased. The thing is, they're
not anymore like they're releasing their in sync

1745
01:48:26.000 --> 01:48:30.760
with the existing uh, all other
versions of Windows Drivers like that. It's

1746
01:48:30.800 --> 01:48:32.720
all just coming out. They even
even on the videos side, they just

1747
01:48:32.760 --> 01:48:35.279
have the in the drop down now
Windows ten so you can just go pick

1748
01:48:35.319 --> 01:48:39.840
them and get them. Cool.
But it's been it's been fine. It's

1749
01:48:39.840 --> 01:48:44.159
good to hear. Uh. That's
that Minecraft news came out of mind con

1750
01:48:45.960 --> 01:48:51.119
more like mine con am I right? Damn yeah? Yeah that happened in

1751
01:48:51.279 --> 01:48:56.880
London, wasn't it. Yeah,
I think over the weekend, says fourth

1752
01:48:56.920 --> 01:49:00.520
of July. I quite like going
to London for mine, I guess.

1753
01:49:00.560 --> 01:49:05.600
So. Telltale also announced their Minecraft
Adventure game there. They had already announced

1754
01:49:05.600 --> 01:49:08.960
it. This is just this well
they anounced they were doing trailer. Yeah.

1755
01:49:09.000 --> 01:49:11.079
I don't think they had Minecraft Story. Yeah. I don't think they'd

1756
01:49:11.079 --> 01:49:13.800
put the name out or anything.
Yeah, the name of okay, I

1757
01:49:13.840 --> 01:49:15.359
have the name was new to me, but the name showed up somewhere.

1758
01:49:15.439 --> 01:49:18.600
Okay they called Minecraft Story made.
Yeah, that's the name of That was

1759
01:49:18.640 --> 01:49:20.800
the first I had heard of that. Wow. Yeah, same here.

1760
01:49:23.039 --> 01:49:28.720
I mostly pulled this story because of
the cast. They got Patton Oswalt excellent,

1761
01:49:28.880 --> 01:49:38.000
they got Pee Wee Herman, they
got Stimpy Billy West real Stimpy,

1762
01:49:38.319 --> 01:49:42.840
Brian Possane, isn't it Sonoma's own
Brian Possan, Yeah, Scott Porter,

1763
01:49:43.319 --> 01:49:47.479
okay, yeah, Jason Street of
Friday Night Lights. I actually don't know

1764
01:49:47.520 --> 01:49:53.760
who that is. I have Corey
Feldman, anyone, Yeah, the surviving

1765
01:49:54.119 --> 01:49:58.880
Corey what is He's been doing a
lot of voice work. Yeah, it's

1766
01:49:58.920 --> 01:50:00.920
a tell tale adventure, guest,
It's a tell tale venture, like the

1767
01:50:01.159 --> 01:50:04.640
trailers says right there, like make
your own story, like your decide I

1768
01:50:04.640 --> 01:50:08.640
would go, you know, like
it's it's one of those It looks cool,

1769
01:50:08.760 --> 01:50:14.680
like I there's something to the the
idea of like these characters animating and

1770
01:50:14.760 --> 01:50:18.520
talking and doing stuff in that Minecraft
framework. Are there characters? There are?

1771
01:50:18.600 --> 01:50:25.920
Now? For He's Orange, but
you don't even play as Steve the

1772
01:50:26.000 --> 01:50:29.840
Minecraft Guy. But I have to
imagine you will run into him at some

1773
01:50:29.880 --> 01:50:33.039
point. You play Jesse the Minecraft
Guy. Uh? Did you play Jesse?

1774
01:50:33.199 --> 01:50:39.079
Voiced my pat and Oswald member of
the legendary Order of the Stone.

1775
01:50:40.680 --> 01:50:43.319
I don't know the Order of the
very best of what they do warrior,

1776
01:50:43.439 --> 01:50:45.760
Redstone, engineer, griefer, and
architect. I assume those are roles that

1777
01:50:45.880 --> 01:50:49.880
mean something to Minecraft players. I
mean, no, they're just kind of

1778
01:50:50.399 --> 01:50:56.840
pretty standard. Redstone Okay, red
Stone is the one the red Stone engineer,

1779
01:50:56.920 --> 01:51:00.359
I mean not either. The Redstone
is the kind of mechanically reactive stuff

1780
01:51:00.359 --> 01:51:02.880
in Minecraft. Right, Yeah,
I don't know. That's cool. Like

1781
01:51:03.000 --> 01:51:05.560
I've always wanted them to have kind
of a blank slate, you know,

1782
01:51:05.800 --> 01:51:11.520
like a completely open canvas to work
with. We'll see, I thought it.

1783
01:51:11.600 --> 01:51:13.600
I do like the idea that one
of the players is just or one

1784
01:51:13.640 --> 01:51:15.520
of the characters is a griefer,
though that that implies that you will have

1785
01:51:15.640 --> 01:51:18.239
the decision just like do you want
to go burn this other players ship down

1786
01:51:18.279 --> 01:51:20.640
and what? Sure? And the
answer is always yes, that sounds fun,

1787
01:51:20.720 --> 01:51:26.479
and then player will remember what you've
chosen. Uh, just you know,

1788
01:51:26.520 --> 01:51:28.720
seeing the animation play out in the
trailer, it kind of reminded me

1789
01:51:28.800 --> 01:51:31.439
of that World of Warcraft South Park
episode where they did a bunch of custom

1790
01:51:31.479 --> 01:51:35.159
animation with World of Warcraft models,
you know, animated their mouths and do

1791
01:51:35.319 --> 01:51:40.399
stuff like there's there's something novel about
seeing like video game characters like with this

1792
01:51:40.520 --> 01:51:45.399
kind of bespoke animation that they tell
a story with. I don't know that's

1793
01:51:45.439 --> 01:51:48.079
been every other Telltale game that they've
done thought character. Yeah, but you

1794
01:51:48.119 --> 01:51:50.199
know it's it's a little different when
they take it from an existing thing,

1795
01:51:50.439 --> 01:51:54.600
sure and make them do stuff they
kind of weren't designed to do. Anyway,

1796
01:51:56.039 --> 01:52:00.760
that's happening seventy eighth Telltale project.
Yeah, they're working out there.

1797
01:52:00.079 --> 01:52:04.960
She's really getting it done. Uh
you know what else is happening? Another

1798
01:52:05.079 --> 01:52:12.239
concept Kickstarter? But she didn't see
that one coming, only only like what

1799
01:52:12.359 --> 01:52:15.680
they're fourth third? Well there's mighty
number nine. What else is there were

1800
01:52:15.760 --> 01:52:20.399
two for Mighty number nine? Remember
what was the second one? They sought

1801
01:52:20.399 --> 01:52:28.279
additional funding sometime last year for like
voice work and stuff. Remember. Okay,

1802
01:52:28.600 --> 01:52:31.680
that's this is starting to sound familiar
again. They are doing they just

1803
01:52:31.760 --> 01:52:35.800
so. They just launched another Kickstarter
on I think it was on Friday for

1804
01:52:35.920 --> 01:52:42.399
a game called red ash Ash,
which is Mega Man Legends. Yea,

1805
01:52:42.800 --> 01:52:45.760
oh I did see this. Yeah, they kept using like legends and yes,

1806
01:52:45.960 --> 01:52:51.359
like okay. Also they've got several
like notable names from the MegaMan Legends

1807
01:52:51.439 --> 01:52:56.079
team. Okay doing this thing.
It's like there's an anime studio involved.

1808
01:52:56.119 --> 01:52:58.800
Also, isn't there something Yes,
some kind of hot collabo. Yes,

1809
01:52:59.199 --> 01:53:03.359
so I believe they're yes, they
are separate kickstarters. Actually, so there's

1810
01:53:03.359 --> 01:53:08.119
a Kickstarter for this game, red
Ash, there is a separate kickstarter running

1811
01:53:08.119 --> 01:53:14.600
concurrently for an animated film or series
or something. Okay, oh wait,

1812
01:53:14.600 --> 01:53:19.239
I'm sorry. That second kickstarter is
for a five minute animated episode for which

1813
01:53:19.279 --> 01:53:23.399
they are seeking one hundred and fifty
thousand dollars for a five minute Yes,

1814
01:53:23.600 --> 01:53:29.720
episode of a thing for a fucking
that will is basically an ad for But

1815
01:53:30.359 --> 01:53:32.159
so they actually have they have built
in stretch goals for that one. If

1816
01:53:32.199 --> 01:53:35.560
they make it to two point four
eight million dollars, they will make it

1817
01:53:35.600 --> 01:53:41.279
into a full length animated movie.
But their initial goal one hundred fifty thousand

1818
01:53:41.279 --> 01:53:44.760
dollars will get you a five minute
short like an intro to the game.

1819
01:53:44.920 --> 01:53:48.560
Sure, that's I haven't even I
haven't even run down the actual game kickstarter

1820
01:53:48.680 --> 01:53:53.680
yet, what the fuck? Which
is not even for a full game.

1821
01:53:54.520 --> 01:54:01.279
It's eight hundred thousand dollars to produce
a basically a play bowl prologue. No,

1822
01:54:01.880 --> 01:54:06.359
no, no, that's that's not
how all all this just sounds like,

1823
01:54:06.520 --> 01:54:09.880
let's set our goal super low to
make sure we get some money,

1824
01:54:09.920 --> 01:54:12.239
because if we set it really high
and don't hit it, we get nothing.

1825
01:54:13.239 --> 01:54:15.319
And then the higher goes, the
more games, we should probably be

1826
01:54:15.359 --> 01:54:20.119
honest with what we can actually make
with it. Okay, so this prologue

1827
01:54:20.119 --> 01:54:23.680
shit at all? Yeah. For
so for that, for that eight hundred

1828
01:54:23.720 --> 01:54:27.560
grand work for ground Zeros, I
know it did. Yeah, but that

1829
01:54:27.600 --> 01:54:30.479
was Konami's money, not the audience's
money. True. Uh. Yeah,

1830
01:54:30.560 --> 01:54:34.079
for that eight hundred grand they will
make they will make this playable prelude called

1831
01:54:34.159 --> 01:54:40.079
the Calcannon Incident. Uh. And
then they talk about and they say,

1832
01:54:40.159 --> 01:54:44.720
they say, uh that weather through
additional funding, revenue from the sales of

1833
01:54:44.800 --> 01:54:46.000
that thing, or teaming up with
the publisher. They have a story they

1834
01:54:46.039 --> 01:54:51.920
want to tell, etc. Legends. Yes, they have a story.

1835
01:54:51.960 --> 01:54:56.640
They'd need to finish because they left
things hanging. And there there's a bunch

1836
01:54:56.680 --> 01:55:00.560
of crossover between this and Mighty number
nine and terms of characters and etcetera,

1837
01:55:00.600 --> 01:55:04.920
etcetera, making their own universe.
Okay, So Mighty number nine is MegaMan,

1838
01:55:05.520 --> 01:55:10.319
yes, and this is and Red
ashes Mega Man Legends. How does

1839
01:55:10.399 --> 01:55:14.279
MegaMan Legend is different from MegaMan?
It's a behind the back three D game.

1840
01:55:15.039 --> 01:55:16.920
It's got RPG ish, right.
I never played those games. Yeah,

1841
01:55:17.319 --> 01:55:21.000
there's some RPG elements show, but
yeah three D like over the shoulder

1842
01:55:21.000 --> 01:55:26.279
and symmetric person type stuff. Are
you still shooting a little domed characters that

1843
01:55:26.399 --> 01:55:28.680
run around the ceiling. Yeah,
Like, yeah, they do run around

1844
01:55:28.720 --> 01:55:31.279
the ceilings. Sometimes they're underwater,
tron Bond, that's where she's from.

1845
01:55:32.359 --> 01:55:35.439
Also, this is kind of peripheral
to this whole thing, but i'd also

1846
01:55:35.520 --> 01:55:41.039
remind you of that concept. Just
announced a new Xbox One exclusive at three

1847
01:55:41.359 --> 01:55:45.439
Yeah, Recorps, which bitterally looks
and sounds super cool. But also that

1848
01:55:45.479 --> 01:55:48.119
concept is not like a heavy lifting
dev student. Yeah, like that's armature

1849
01:55:48.239 --> 01:55:51.840
is doing. Yeah, so actual
video games that I wasn't clear on that

1850
01:55:51.880 --> 01:55:55.840
because I don't I don't know how
big armature or concept are that, So

1851
01:55:55.920 --> 01:55:59.039
I don't know who is doing more
on that thing. Maybe arms are staffed

1852
01:55:59.079 --> 01:56:01.319
up, maybe so leave that would
be more like well staffing. If it's

1853
01:56:01.319 --> 01:56:05.359
a Microsoft published exclusive, then Microsoft
dumping money into it so they could up

1854
01:56:05.439 --> 01:56:11.680
to make it if that's the case. But like comcept seems like the sort

1855
01:56:11.720 --> 01:56:15.319
of crew that comes up with your
concept and then fucking passes it off to

1856
01:56:15.399 --> 01:56:17.720
someone else who makes it. So
they're like a video game think tank.

1857
01:56:17.920 --> 01:56:23.239
Sure, that's that's how. That's
how it's always made sense to me.

1858
01:56:23.479 --> 01:56:26.920
Like, I don't know, like
eighty number nine, it's probably a different

1859
01:56:26.960 --> 01:56:29.039
sort of thing. But though they're
not making mighty number nine, right,

1860
01:56:29.039 --> 01:56:31.159
I mean they're they partnered with someone
for that too, even did they think

1861
01:56:31.439 --> 01:56:35.359
maybe right, I can't keep the
stuff straight. Nope, I just think

1862
01:56:35.600 --> 01:56:39.720
I wonder why, like every everything
that the co commcept name has been on

1863
01:56:39.800 --> 01:56:42.239
and it's been like stuff I look
at like, no, thanks, I

1864
01:56:42.279 --> 01:56:45.760
don't know about that, Like like
that was a Soul the Vita game.

1865
01:56:45.840 --> 01:56:51.199
That's not Monster Hunter. Oh so
Soul Sacrifice, Yeah, that's the game

1866
01:56:51.279 --> 01:56:55.520
with the fucking book. Yes,
yes, you tap it and it falls

1867
01:56:55.520 --> 01:56:58.560
over. Did not like the game? Yeah, I mean you know them

1868
01:56:58.560 --> 01:57:00.680
all four Capcom's big names out there
and doing other stuff. But yeah,

1869
01:57:00.720 --> 01:57:03.239
but I just like this stuff that
this this is the stuff that he is

1870
01:57:03.319 --> 01:57:06.560
pursuing. Well, setting aside whether
you're personally interested in the game or not.

1871
01:57:06.720 --> 01:57:10.359
Like the way that they've kind of
handled some of the Kickstarter stuff is

1872
01:57:11.199 --> 01:57:18.760
a little dodgy as opposed to fucking
prologue hid No I feeling it finished the

1873
01:57:18.840 --> 01:57:21.800
ship. It's like the kickstarter stuff
has been like especially with these kind of

1874
01:57:21.880 --> 01:57:27.560
like that had these like very passionate
fan communities, like that stuff is getting

1875
01:57:28.000 --> 01:57:30.760
ugly, Like Mighty Number nine turned
in a really weird way with a fan

1876
01:57:30.840 --> 01:57:35.399
base and some perceived slights, Like
there was a petition out there for Shenmu

1877
01:57:36.439 --> 01:57:40.159
where they're like, you need to
take there's this company got Awesome Japan that

1878
01:57:40.279 --> 01:57:43.560
is affiliated with the shen MoU kickstarter
and they've done some other external stuff,

1879
01:57:43.600 --> 01:57:45.680
I guess, and be like,
you need to remove these guys from the

1880
01:57:45.720 --> 01:57:48.119
project because they're not taking it seriously
enough. It was like they were doing

1881
01:57:48.159 --> 01:57:53.039
a live stream Q and A or
something with you Suzuki, and I didn't

1882
01:57:53.039 --> 01:57:56.239
see it, but I saw the
petition to fucking remove them from the product.

1883
01:57:56.439 --> 01:57:59.239
You could see in you Suzuki's eyes
that he was not This was not

1884
01:57:59.399 --> 01:58:02.600
how he wanted Move three DVD represented. It's like, fucking fuck off,

1885
01:58:02.840 --> 01:58:06.520
Wow, just put the money in
or don't put the money in. People

1886
01:58:06.560 --> 01:58:10.760
wonder why we get tired of hearing
about shin move it because of bullshit like

1887
01:58:10.840 --> 01:58:15.960
this. Yeah, man, it's
all you're right. They there have been

1888
01:58:16.079 --> 01:58:21.680
some things around Mighty Number nine and
elsewhere that is borderline creepy, really off

1889
01:58:21.720 --> 01:58:28.319
putting from those communities. I have
no problems with Kickstarter as a thing.

1890
01:58:29.119 --> 01:58:31.720
It should exist, Like it's the
thing that we always said that, like,

1891
01:58:31.840 --> 01:58:33.880
you know, people should be able
to put their money where their mouth

1892
01:58:33.960 --> 01:58:38.479
is. But like the implication is
that you put your money where the mouth

1893
01:58:38.520 --> 01:58:43.560
would go, so you could shut
the fuck up. There's not there's not

1894
01:58:43.640 --> 01:58:48.800
an invitation to further exercise a developer
on the project. But I'm in the

1895
01:58:48.840 --> 01:58:57.560
credits. Man, shit, he's
got us there. Uh yeah. Kickstarter

1896
01:58:57.680 --> 01:59:00.039
should be great, and in a
lot of cases I think it still is.

1897
01:59:00.199 --> 01:59:08.000
But like this stuff like the yeah, the launch kick starting a prologue,

1898
01:59:08.319 --> 01:59:12.319
that's a new one. It's not
actually that new because even with Shenmu,

1899
01:59:12.359 --> 01:59:14.479
I think there was like this thing. I was like, well,

1900
01:59:14.560 --> 01:59:15.840
you know, we're only gonna get
to get to make the game we want

1901
01:59:15.880 --> 01:59:23.560
to make if we hit ten million. No, like yeah, m it's

1902
01:59:23.600 --> 01:59:26.680
not enough that there's so many like
episodic games. Yeah, you know,

1903
01:59:27.000 --> 01:59:30.279
it's like based on sales, maybe
we'll finish this up at some point.

1904
01:59:30.319 --> 01:59:32.000
Well again, I I take this
just to mean they weren't confident they could

1905
01:59:32.000 --> 01:59:35.239
actually hit the budget for a full
game on this, so they set the

1906
01:59:35.279 --> 01:59:38.800
bar low, sure, yeah,
to make sure they hit something. Maybe

1907
01:59:38.840 --> 01:59:41.720
that's better than saying like, we'll
make the game and but it you know,

1908
01:59:41.800 --> 01:59:43.520
and then saying like, well it
was only eight hundred grand, so

1909
01:59:43.640 --> 01:59:45.720
yeah, of course it's missing this
stuff. Fuck you. You know.

1910
01:59:45.960 --> 01:59:48.000
Maybe maybe it's good then that they're
being upfront and saying like, we'll make

1911
01:59:48.039 --> 01:59:50.640
a prologue for this much in a
full game for this. Yeah, but

1912
01:59:50.720 --> 01:59:54.039
it seems like one of those things
that like, you know, maybe Kickstarter

1913
01:59:54.199 --> 01:59:59.000
needs to like think about its policies
some more for these kind of scaling products,

1914
02:00:00.479 --> 02:00:04.439
uh and and just have a cleaner
way of surfacing. And that's I'm

1915
02:00:04.439 --> 02:00:08.039
not Yeah, I don't know.
Well, I mean Kickstarter is very happy

1916
02:00:08.119 --> 02:00:11.159
to take a super hands off approach
to all of this stuff, you know.

1917
02:00:11.720 --> 02:00:13.239
Well, I mean they have to
be hands on at some level,

1918
02:00:13.279 --> 02:00:15.800
Like you know, they couldn't launch
the shin move Kickstarter, Like this still

1919
02:00:15.840 --> 02:00:17.560
goes through some kind of process,
but in terms of like culpability or whatever

1920
02:00:17.640 --> 02:00:21.039
when things fall through, they don't
seem to give a shit. That's that's

1921
02:00:21.079 --> 02:00:25.680
all right there in the legal ease
and stuff, And I think it has

1922
02:00:25.760 --> 02:00:29.800
to be that way. Yeah,
but yeah, it shouldn't move up to

1923
02:00:29.840 --> 02:00:31.720
four point four worth eleven days to
go. So I guess that's Wait,

1924
02:00:31.800 --> 02:00:36.000
what did blood Stained hit? I
don't know right around there. I think

1925
02:00:36.119 --> 02:00:40.079
right four and a half might have
hit five. It was so, I

1926
02:00:40.119 --> 02:00:45.399
mean, blood Stained was the highest
earning video game Kickstarter, but it seems

1927
02:00:45.399 --> 02:00:47.239
like shin Move, especially when it
gets you know, every Kickstarter gets a

1928
02:00:47.279 --> 02:00:50.560
big push at the end, Shin
Move will definitely top then every one of

1929
02:00:50.560 --> 02:00:54.439
those things where it's like the people
that think that, you know, them

1930
02:00:54.520 --> 02:00:57.399
putting more money into it is gonna
result that game being better, They're like

1931
02:00:57.479 --> 02:01:00.800
they'll be like going back and going, well, we need to I need

1932
02:01:00.880 --> 02:01:04.399
to put more money into it.
Yeah, to make sure. I stabbed

1933
02:01:04.399 --> 02:01:08.560
a guy stole some money off of
him, and I'm doing it for the

1934
02:01:08.640 --> 02:01:15.880
game. As of as of Monday
afternoon, Uh, red ashes At did

1935
02:01:15.920 --> 02:01:18.000
you look at it, Drew?
I look at it before we came up

1936
02:01:18.039 --> 02:01:20.199
here, and it was I think
it was a little over two hundred thousand,

1937
02:01:20.680 --> 02:01:25.039
like two twenty or something like that. So, and that's after early

1938
02:01:25.159 --> 02:01:30.640
four days, so not not exactly
flying off shelves. Five point five million,

1939
02:01:30.840 --> 02:01:32.920
four blood stained. Okay, so
Shinto has got a way to go,

1940
02:01:33.000 --> 02:01:35.720
But I would I would expect it
to beat that. Yeah, I

1941
02:01:35.760 --> 02:01:40.439
would. I would think so.
But we'll see what happens with this red

1942
02:01:40.479 --> 02:01:43.960
ash stuff, because it's not Oh
wow, okay, that's that's gone up

1943
02:01:44.119 --> 02:01:46.399
a fair amount since we came up
here. La On launched on the fourth,

1944
02:01:46.479 --> 02:01:50.399
Yes, like good day on the
third, so like the entire United

1945
02:01:50.399 --> 02:01:56.119
States was off work basically that day, out outside and stuff. By the

1946
02:01:56.239 --> 02:02:00.560
end of the podcast, we might
have a prologue, Jena, Okay,

1947
02:02:00.600 --> 02:02:05.479
sure, that's cool. I don't
I can't tell if I would feel differently

1948
02:02:05.520 --> 02:02:09.680
about this if I, like had
any stake in Mega Man Legends one way

1949
02:02:09.720 --> 02:02:13.199
or the other. But I consider
myself a fan. But I want this

1950
02:02:13.279 --> 02:02:15.520
project to just be done and out. I don't want a little piece of

1951
02:02:16.399 --> 02:02:20.399
it. I don't know. I'm
just I am long past like clamoring for

1952
02:02:20.720 --> 02:02:27.079
the things I loved as a kid
to be resurrected in any way. Show

1953
02:02:27.119 --> 02:02:31.359
me some new stuff. Yeah,
yeah, I guess. I guess you're

1954
02:02:31.359 --> 02:02:35.079
sort of right. And there's definitely
some stuff that I would be interested in

1955
02:02:35.119 --> 02:02:38.720
seeing more of and and all that, But I think. I don't know.

1956
02:02:38.760 --> 02:02:41.520
I like to think I keep my
expectations in check for that stuff.

1957
02:02:41.600 --> 02:02:45.239
Like that Transformers thing. Yeah,
like that's the Oh, those are the

1958
02:02:45.319 --> 02:02:48.520
only Transformers. It's the only generation
of Transformers I'm ever interested in seeing in

1959
02:02:48.600 --> 02:02:53.520
any form ever. That is terrible. But in terms of video game pedigree,

1960
02:02:53.560 --> 02:02:55.800
that thing is just a one off, you know. It's not like

1961
02:02:55.880 --> 02:02:59.119
there was some long history of great
Transformers games in the past and now the

1962
02:02:59.159 --> 02:03:01.800
people who made those are coming back
with Hadden handed Transformers. But it's like

1963
02:03:02.000 --> 02:03:05.920
it's gobots, Like this is just
a character action game leader one, you

1964
02:03:06.000 --> 02:03:10.760
know. Talking about the Platinum game, Yes, yeah, Devastation. Also,

1965
02:03:10.880 --> 02:03:15.279
I am more than expecting that game
to not be great. Also,

1966
02:03:15.359 --> 02:03:17.920
yes, probably, I'm keeping my
expectations in check. I'm gonna play that

1967
02:03:18.000 --> 02:03:20.479
game for like an hour and go
like, man, this looks amazing and

1968
02:03:20.520 --> 02:03:24.800
it's kind of whatever. They did
such a great job of their last license

1969
02:03:24.920 --> 02:03:30.960
product. I have I hope that
they're gonna some things which the best game

1970
02:03:30.960 --> 02:03:33.960
they've ever worked on so could have
been. At the same time, like

1971
02:03:34.239 --> 02:03:39.319
you know, mad props to Platinum
for making it happen. They're putting down

1972
02:03:39.399 --> 02:03:43.520
over there Oh yeah, sure,
what have Platinum is making games? They

1973
02:03:43.560 --> 02:03:46.920
are getting work and they have turned
to kickstarters zero times yet yet Yeah,

1974
02:03:47.119 --> 02:03:50.800
that's coming. No one buys any
of these games both sides. Story,

1975
02:03:50.840 --> 02:03:53.520
it's gonna be like, you know, we have a lot of stories to

1976
02:03:53.560 --> 02:03:58.720
tell in the robot man with a
sword genre that we haven't been able to

1977
02:03:58.800 --> 02:04:00.520
tell as of yet. And we've
got some ideas. What if instead of

1978
02:04:00.560 --> 02:04:04.840
a sword, the robot man had
a tractor trailer. Okay, strical,

1979
02:04:05.079 --> 02:04:08.840
instead of hitting people with the sword, he hit people with the tractor trailer.

1980
02:04:09.039 --> 02:04:11.960
No, I'm only interested in a
robot man with a sword that fights

1981
02:04:12.079 --> 02:04:17.439
giant walking nuclear tanks. All right, Well that's that's where our interests diverge.

1982
02:04:17.439 --> 02:04:28.600
I'm kickstarter is rising this fall.
Fuck. But in that case they

1983
02:04:28.640 --> 02:04:33.000
couldn't even get the property exactly.
No, I mean like every other kickstart

1984
02:04:33.039 --> 02:04:38.319
I guess, yeah, just make
it in everything but name Yeah, that's

1985
02:04:38.319 --> 02:04:42.680
all these things are. Oh man, video games got grim. Let's talk

1986
02:04:42.680 --> 02:04:46.319
about the Nizano PlayStation some more.
Video games are beautiful, it's the business

1987
02:04:46.479 --> 02:04:55.640
that's always been grim. Speaking of
the business video games, would you like

1988
02:04:55.720 --> 02:05:01.319
to hear more about some of those
most recent shareholder call. Sure, yes,

1989
02:05:01.479 --> 02:05:06.439
this this ended up There was some
stuff in this that was kind of

1990
02:05:06.479 --> 02:05:10.720
interesting. Yes, I do.
I assume all public companies do this.

1991
02:05:11.000 --> 02:05:14.000
They post like the minutes of their
shareholders stuff, because it's sometimes they'll just

1992
02:05:14.039 --> 02:05:15.439
post the audio. It's not necessarily
like hey, here's the Q and A.

1993
02:05:15.800 --> 02:05:18.560
Right, but because they had they
posted it translated into English. Yes,

1994
02:05:18.600 --> 02:05:21.720
they did post an English translation,
but some of this stuff ends up

1995
02:05:21.720 --> 02:05:25.000
maybe getting a little lost in translating. So sure, I think some of

1996
02:05:25.119 --> 02:05:27.119
some of the Like, reading through
that Q and A some parts of it,

1997
02:05:27.159 --> 02:05:29.800
you're like, so did okay,
so did you look over the whole

1998
02:05:29.800 --> 02:05:31.439
thing, because I've just got Austin's
story here in front of it. He

1999
02:05:31.640 --> 02:05:35.600
pulled out what he thought were the
most salient passages. Yes, were they

2000
02:05:35.640 --> 02:05:40.359
just they kind of commented on,
you know, whatever shareholders brought up as

2001
02:05:40.399 --> 02:05:45.239
concerns, uh, such as the
future of well not the future of Randy

2002
02:05:45.279 --> 02:05:49.000
Johnson. Is a number getting retired? Okay? It literally addressed waiting this.

2003
02:05:49.279 --> 02:05:51.720
Yes, does he played for the
maritors like well yeah, okay,

2004
02:05:51.760 --> 02:05:55.000
Well you know, like this was
like its rose number in Japan, So

2005
02:05:55.119 --> 02:05:57.840
are you sure it's a good it
was like, it is fucking crazy.

2006
02:05:58.640 --> 02:06:01.520
Maybe I should go read the full
Q and A. That's amazing. Uh,

2007
02:06:01.680 --> 02:06:04.640
you know Club Nintendo was shutting down
any day now, I think it

2008
02:06:04.680 --> 02:06:09.279
might actually has it actually happened,
I think it might have happened. If

2009
02:06:09.279 --> 02:06:13.800
it hasn't happened already, it's like
literally like a matter of hours or days

2010
02:06:13.880 --> 02:06:17.399
before it's gone. But they did
talk about a kind of the sort of

2011
02:06:17.439 --> 02:06:25.720
successor to that. Wata made a
comment, uh on what might follow that

2012
02:06:25.800 --> 02:06:28.560
up, and I'm just gonna read
it. We understand the consume Oh you

2013
02:06:28.600 --> 02:06:30.520
know this has also followed from so
basically the question was about Ninteno kind of

2014
02:06:30.520 --> 02:06:33.920
failing to discount digital games over time
and stuff, you know, kind of

2015
02:06:33.960 --> 02:06:36.680
continuing to sell their games a full
price in perpetuity. And they do that

2016
02:06:36.760 --> 02:06:42.199
for their on shelf games. Yes, they kind of price protect the ship.

2017
02:06:42.319 --> 02:06:45.600
They Yes, they sell their goods
at a premium price. Iwata said,

2018
02:06:46.479 --> 02:06:49.960
we understand the consumers who buy many
download versions may not be fully convinced

2019
02:06:50.000 --> 02:06:54.880
if all of these products cost more
than the packaged versions. In the new

2020
02:06:54.920 --> 02:06:59.560
membership service that we are now developing
to replace Club Nintendo, we're thinking about

2021
02:06:59.600 --> 02:07:03.199
providing a system where Nincano can give
individual offers to each consumer. I'd like

2022
02:07:03.319 --> 02:07:06.520
to explain the details when we have
everything in place for the new membership service,

2023
02:07:06.560 --> 02:07:11.439
which is targeted to launch this autumn. So that's not as far off

2024
02:07:11.479 --> 02:07:14.560
as I would have thought I would
have assumed. I mean, this makes

2025
02:07:14.560 --> 02:07:17.600
it basically sound like a kind of
a you know, a new customer loyalty

2026
02:07:17.680 --> 02:07:21.119
program. Yeah. Yeah, not
that he kind of sidestep the question about

2027
02:07:21.119 --> 02:07:26.039
their broader pricing or their products,
did really address that at all so much

2028
02:07:26.079 --> 02:07:29.520
as so much as making it sound
like they would give discounts to people who

2029
02:07:30.520 --> 02:07:32.520
like buy a lot of stuff basically
is how I read that. Yeah,

2030
02:07:32.640 --> 02:07:35.600
yeah, I mean I don't think
they need to, Like, you know,

2031
02:07:35.680 --> 02:07:41.159
it'd be great if they did.
But I think Nintendo keeps their games

2032
02:07:41.239 --> 02:07:43.600
up at full price for as long
as they can for a reason, you

2033
02:07:43.680 --> 02:07:46.600
know, and that's that those games
are typically of equality, they are of

2034
02:07:46.680 --> 02:07:50.159
a desirability, and they're not annualized
in such a way that they get completely

2035
02:07:50.199 --> 02:07:56.880
obsoletized by a future game. So, like I this is kind of a

2036
02:07:56.960 --> 02:08:01.079
tangent, but I found myself on
the digital foundry analysis for Super Mario three

2037
02:08:01.159 --> 02:08:03.880
D World over the weekend. Yeah, and they were just talk talking like

2038
02:08:03.960 --> 02:08:07.319
top to bottom about just like the
fit and finish of the graphical treatment of

2039
02:08:07.399 --> 02:08:09.600
this game is just like unparalleled in
the video game industry, Like they have

2040
02:08:09.720 --> 02:08:13.800
got an eye for quality and consistency
that nobody else has and that and that

2041
02:08:13.880 --> 02:08:16.399
game hasn't been replaced by something else
on the WU. So if you went

2042
02:08:16.439 --> 02:08:20.000
out and bottle WU right now,
that is still one of the best is

2043
02:08:20.039 --> 02:08:22.359
still one of the best games for
it. And so Nintendo is probably smart

2044
02:08:24.039 --> 02:08:26.840
to say, like, no,
you're gonna pay us what we want for

2045
02:08:26.920 --> 02:08:28.239
it. I mean, they're the
Disney of video games, right, like

2046
02:08:28.359 --> 02:08:33.840
they throw stuff back in the vault. There's way less competition on that platform

2047
02:08:33.880 --> 02:08:37.359
as well, because it's not like
anyone else's shipping games. So yeah,

2048
02:08:37.600 --> 02:08:41.760
I think that they're they're right to
do that. Yes, though maybe they

2049
02:08:41.840 --> 02:08:43.760
could benefit for some occasional sales,
sure, but yeah, totally like a

2050
02:08:43.800 --> 02:08:46.600
loyalty program that like let's see you
say, like, hey, you have

2051
02:08:46.880 --> 02:08:50.640
purchased the last five of these games, so we're gonna give you this one

2052
02:08:50.760 --> 02:08:58.920
for two dollars less. Yeah,
right, I mean that's that's the downside.

2053
02:09:00.159 --> 02:09:03.600
At what point did they and just
like, look, you know you'll

2054
02:09:03.600 --> 02:09:07.239
pay it. Any guys gonna miss
those the goofy like the Nintendo rewards,

2055
02:09:07.319 --> 02:09:09.680
No, I stopped putting them in. I stopped even keeping up of that

2056
02:09:09.720 --> 02:09:11.479
ship. I got really good at
entering them and then never picking anything because

2057
02:09:11.479 --> 02:09:13.920
I would look at it and you're
like, oh, that was the other

2058
02:09:15.000 --> 02:09:20.199
thing. The rewards such a turn
were terrible. Yeah. The only stuff

2059
02:09:20.239 --> 02:09:22.880
that was worth getting was the secret
rewards that you would get at the end

2060
02:09:22.880 --> 02:09:26.159
of the year if you were like
Gold status or or however those stuff works,

2061
02:09:26.199 --> 02:09:28.439
you know, like the little statuettes
that they would make for people who

2062
02:09:28.520 --> 02:09:31.319
were in the top tier. But
the stuff you could actually catch the coins

2063
02:09:31.399 --> 02:09:35.880
in for four was just like it's
like, oh, hand towels, but

2064
02:09:35.000 --> 02:09:39.800
you can't get that or anywhere else. Original Ds cart holders. Yeah,

2065
02:09:39.920 --> 02:09:48.239
it's like fucking what stationary? I
got a Mario calendar or something. Never

2066
02:09:48.319 --> 02:09:50.039
took it out of the packet and
I was like, oh, right,

2067
02:09:50.159 --> 02:09:52.960
this fucking thing I got my girlfriend
in the tote bag one year that she

2068
02:09:52.079 --> 02:09:54.960
loved, like that was the best, the last and best thing that I

2069
02:09:56.039 --> 02:09:58.520
got. And they did start giving
away some like virtual console type games later

2070
02:09:58.640 --> 02:10:01.760
on, and that it was cool. The thing for me was that I

2071
02:10:01.800 --> 02:10:03.199
would put the codes in, but
I would never go do the surveys they

2072
02:10:03.239 --> 02:10:07.520
wanted you to do to actually get
all the coins. That was where it

2073
02:10:07.600 --> 02:10:09.439
broke down for me. Yeah,
having to do that same survey over and

2074
02:10:09.520 --> 02:10:15.960
over. Let's see what else happened
in this thing. Investors were really putting

2075
02:10:15.960 --> 02:10:18.840
it to them. They were turning
the screws on them, wanting to do

2076
02:10:20.399 --> 02:10:24.840
Yeah, I give you money,
bro. From from Austin's story here,

2077
02:10:24.920 --> 02:10:28.279
one investor began a question by stating
that they quote have the impression that the

2078
02:10:28.399 --> 02:10:31.119
launches of the two systems and to
know three d S and we you were

2079
02:10:31.199 --> 02:10:35.479
consecutive failures. Yeah, that's not
I mean, that's just blunt. Yes,

2080
02:10:35.720 --> 02:10:39.039
yeah, basically if you're coming off
the Wii, yeah right, yes,

2081
02:10:39.560 --> 02:10:43.520
although to be fair, like just
about anything would look like a failure

2082
02:10:43.560 --> 02:10:46.199
after the Wei totally. But those
things were failure coming at it from like

2083
02:10:46.279 --> 02:10:50.079
a logical kind of like, well
that was an anomaly and so and so

2084
02:10:50.279 --> 02:10:54.640
they're coming at it from like this
is my fucking money. But I mean,

2085
02:10:54.680 --> 02:10:58.119
I you know, the WUS is
a failure by any objective standard.

2086
02:10:58.279 --> 02:11:01.000
Sure, Like that thing has sold
like nine million units or something in three

2087
02:11:01.119 --> 02:11:07.159
years. I got fucking crazy.
It's not a lot. No, the

2088
02:11:07.239 --> 02:11:11.079
PS four has done well over twice
that in half the time. It's bad.

2089
02:11:11.479 --> 02:11:16.239
Yeah, But they raised this question
in the context of the NX,

2090
02:11:16.840 --> 02:11:20.119
since this thing has been talked about
publicly, and basically, you know,

2091
02:11:20.239 --> 02:11:24.079
straight up said that, hey,
we hope you guys have a plan for

2092
02:11:24.359 --> 02:11:28.560
not letting that happen to the NX. Uh, And they kind of dodged

2093
02:11:28.600 --> 02:11:33.159
that question. I didn't really think
that the answer they gave was especially relevant

2094
02:11:33.319 --> 02:11:35.399
to that. Like they emphasize that, you know, the fact that they

2095
02:11:35.439 --> 02:11:37.479
did turn the three DS around eventually. Yeah, like it's doing pretty well

2096
02:11:37.520 --> 02:11:41.520
now, but you know, it
had a pretty bad launch. Remember the

2097
02:11:41.520 --> 02:11:45.319
ambassador program, Oh right, yeah, ten three games, the the like

2098
02:11:45.960 --> 02:11:52.520
very rapid certificate installed totally. Also
the very rapid and permanent price drop on

2099
02:11:52.600 --> 02:11:54.159
that thing. Yeah, they dropped
that price on the thing by like what

2100
02:11:54.279 --> 02:11:58.479
eighty bucks in the first year or
something. That's huge. But you know

2101
02:12:00.000 --> 02:12:01.760
they talked about to be fair,
like, you know, the we got

2102
02:12:01.800 --> 02:12:03.880
out to such an absurd number of
people who had never even played video games

2103
02:12:03.920 --> 02:12:07.640
before that, they were able to
you know, they were able to move

2104
02:12:07.680 --> 02:12:09.920
stuff like brain age and in ten
dogs. Yeah, in quantities that were

2105
02:12:09.960 --> 02:12:16.720
just kind of unprecedented. Yeah.
Yeah. Still like you would hope that

2106
02:12:16.479 --> 02:12:22.039
by expanding Nintendo's reach into that many
households, you would have some trickle down

2107
02:12:22.039 --> 02:12:26.439
effect with your new comps, right
right, Like yeah, it's it's it's

2108
02:12:26.479 --> 02:12:30.640
not fair to compare the We to
the Wi you, but you would expect

2109
02:12:30.680 --> 02:12:33.239
a little bit. But I think, you know, the factor that I

2110
02:12:33.319 --> 02:12:37.239
think people forget is like the WE
cycle, Like by the end of that,

2111
02:12:37.479 --> 02:12:41.159
no one was still pumped about their
Wei. True, Yeah, you

2112
02:12:41.239 --> 02:12:45.079
know, like they all bought them
and then didn't buy any games for them,

2113
02:12:45.279 --> 02:12:48.880
Like third parties that were like looking
at the Nintendo's selling all these units

2114
02:12:48.199 --> 02:12:50.800
were going like, fuck man,
this money to be made, and for

2115
02:12:50.880 --> 02:12:54.880
a while there was, and then
all of a sudden, there very much

2116
02:12:54.920 --> 02:12:58.359
was not. And you know,
no one was selling any units, not

2117
02:12:58.479 --> 02:13:01.119
a third parties, and they just
they all abandoned the system immediately. Yeah,

2118
02:13:01.800 --> 02:13:05.119
and I think a lot of consumers
did too. You know, you

2119
02:13:05.159 --> 02:13:07.720
saw that when the sales dropped off, people just calling like okay, like

2120
02:13:07.760 --> 02:13:09.760
I don't want to buy all this
cheap motion crap, like the bolding is

2121
02:13:09.840 --> 02:13:11.560
good, Like that was it?
You bought it, and you're like,

2122
02:13:11.720 --> 02:13:15.079
the boulding is good. Yeah,
it's like the thing that they packed in

2123
02:13:15.119 --> 02:13:18.119
when the system was so good and
a lot of people didn't feel the need

2124
02:13:18.199 --> 02:13:20.760
to get anything else. Yeah,
And you know, there's a lot of

2125
02:13:20.800 --> 02:13:22.880
there's a lot of points of failure
you can point to with the launch of

2126
02:13:22.880 --> 02:13:26.640
the WU Like I arguably sticking with
the Wii name was bad because there was

2127
02:13:26.680 --> 02:13:30.439
a lot of sort of consumer confusion
out there about what that thing even was.

2128
02:13:30.560 --> 02:13:31.319
You know, a lot of people
thought the tablet was just an add

2129
02:13:31.399 --> 02:13:37.079
on for the Wii. Yeah,
you could make which in an environment where

2130
02:13:37.079 --> 02:13:39.000
people were tired of the weed,
they would be like, well, no,

2131
02:13:39.159 --> 02:13:41.399
yeah, nobody wanted to go buy
a new thing for their Wii if

2132
02:13:41.439 --> 02:13:43.800
that's what they thought it was.
But and you know, like you could,

2133
02:13:43.840 --> 02:13:46.479
I I would argue that, like
they've done so little to justify that

2134
02:13:46.840 --> 02:13:50.399
tablet controller that like that thing in
itself feels like a misstep to me,

2135
02:13:50.680 --> 02:13:54.800
Like even most of their games don't
do a whole hell of a lot with

2136
02:13:54.920 --> 02:13:56.560
that second screen, Like it's great
if you need to stream games off the

2137
02:13:56.600 --> 02:14:01.680
TV onto the tablet. Yeah,
but you know that's not that's not enough

2138
02:14:01.680 --> 02:14:03.079
of a reason to base like so
much of your R and D and your

2139
02:14:03.079 --> 02:14:09.800
manufacturing costs on that, on that
gimmick. But whatever they're they're out there

2140
02:14:09.800 --> 02:14:13.720
talking about the successor to that thing, so they've clearly like in their minds,

2141
02:14:13.760 --> 02:14:15.640
they've already moved on. They're moving
out. Well. Yeah, and

2142
02:14:15.960 --> 02:14:18.000
the stuff they say about the NX
and this thing is is kind of interesting

2143
02:14:18.039 --> 02:14:22.800
because like some of it they get
into kind of they get into that weird

2144
02:14:22.880 --> 02:14:28.119
old third pillar talk they used to
have about the DS where they'd say like,

2145
02:14:28.199 --> 02:14:30.279
oh, like the DS was coming
out and people would be like,

2146
02:14:30.319 --> 02:14:33.119
well, you know, it was
just replacing the Game Boy Advance and we'll

2147
02:14:33.199 --> 02:14:35.680
know the GameCube. And then they'd
be like, no, this is you

2148
02:14:35.760 --> 02:14:37.319
know, no, no, the
Game Boy Advance is huge. We're putting

2149
02:14:37.319 --> 02:14:41.079
this thing out, it's totally its
own thing. Well, of course we'll

2150
02:14:41.079 --> 02:14:41.840
support the GBA, and like that
meant like, you know, yeah,

2151
02:14:41.880 --> 02:14:48.960
it'd be like another year of GBA
games and then fucking whatever, and that's

2152
02:14:48.039 --> 02:14:50.399
got to be what they kind of
bean here. Yeah, do you want

2153
02:14:50.439 --> 02:14:52.760
me to read this wat a quote. Yeah, I'm with Austin and I

2154
02:14:52.840 --> 02:14:58.119
don't fully understand this quote either.
It's it's there's some pretty good this is

2155
02:14:58.640 --> 02:15:03.079
excuse me, this is I believe
egg. Try and find the citation.

2156
02:15:05.960 --> 02:15:07.159
It has to be a water huddle, see it. Yes here, Yes,

2157
02:15:07.960 --> 02:15:11.680
I will not share details on NX
today, but with regard to the

2158
02:15:11.760 --> 02:15:15.199
launch of the Nis three DS and
we you not necessarily having progressed well and

2159
02:15:15.319 --> 02:15:18.800
not acquiring sufficient support from software publishers, we intend to offer NX through a

2160
02:15:18.960 --> 02:15:24.600
Nintendo like solution. Thank you for
understanding that we are making various considerations and

2161
02:15:24.680 --> 02:15:28.680
preparations in order to avoid what happened
with the previous generations, like the Nintendo

2162
02:15:28.760 --> 02:15:33.039
like solution is the problem with previous
generations? Right? Yeah? You know,

2163
02:15:35.319 --> 02:15:37.560
yeah, I mean I think the
question was kind of about, like,

2164
02:15:37.680 --> 02:15:41.920
hey, you have no third party
support, like what the fuck?

2165
02:15:41.199 --> 02:15:46.279
Jeff, please understand. Yes,
thank you for understanding, and yeah,

2166
02:15:46.680 --> 02:15:50.520
like you know, unless this thing, like the realities of that stuff,

2167
02:15:50.319 --> 02:15:54.079
It's always going to come down to, is this console on par with these

2168
02:15:54.119 --> 02:15:58.520
other platforms so that I can make
one game and poured it multiple places.

2169
02:15:58.000 --> 02:16:01.199
And if the answer is not,
yes, then they're the outlier and no

2170
02:16:01.319 --> 02:16:07.039
one cares. It's not worth it, especially given Nintendo's track record for supporting

2171
02:16:07.119 --> 02:16:09.319
third parties. Yeah, and and
all that sort of stuff, like it's

2172
02:16:09.359 --> 02:16:13.000
just it's just not worth it.
You had plenty of developers out there saying

2173
02:16:13.039 --> 02:16:16.279
like, oh, yeah, we're
sending our fucking wi you gets back.

2174
02:16:16.319 --> 02:16:20.840
And that was like around the launch
of the WU Yeah, he was like,

2175
02:16:20.920 --> 02:16:22.479
hey, we shipped some launch games. I think we're done here,

2176
02:16:22.760 --> 02:16:26.039
or like what was it, Epic
wrap it up? Like Epic was out

2177
02:16:26.039 --> 02:16:30.640
there saying they wouldn't work on and
WEU version of Unreal four right, and

2178
02:16:30.680 --> 02:16:31.920
stuff like That's just the interest wasn't
there, you know, and then the

2179
02:16:33.159 --> 02:16:35.159
hard work, you know, the
Parker wasn't necessarily there. What was it

2180
02:16:35.239 --> 02:16:39.799
like during the week for me to
remember, like third party support that Gigantic

2181
02:16:41.079 --> 02:16:43.799
game, we made a ton of
money, Like two K made a bunch

2182
02:16:43.799 --> 02:16:48.239
of money with like their mini game
collection, their motion collection, and there

2183
02:16:48.319 --> 02:16:52.319
was kind of a boom period around
some of that stuff. So you had

2184
02:16:52.360 --> 02:16:54.680
a there were there were a lot
of third party games and kind of the

2185
02:16:54.760 --> 02:16:58.319
front half of the life cycle and
then it's kind of all tapered off.

2186
02:16:58.399 --> 02:17:01.000
To be fair, there was a
nearnest effort to make some original games.

2187
02:17:01.040 --> 02:17:05.879
It wasn't all just blocks came out, but there's stuff, there's third there

2188
02:17:05.879 --> 02:17:09.120
are a third party. Was that
game where you played a spider Dangerous Creatures?

2189
02:17:09.200 --> 02:17:13.680
Yeah, Deadly Creatures? Yeah,
Deadly Creatures like that? You know,

2190
02:17:13.719 --> 02:17:16.239
there were there were a few original
games, but yeah, that stuff

2191
02:17:16.319 --> 02:17:20.040
you read steel like, there was
stuff that that came along. Yeah,

2192
02:17:20.120 --> 02:17:22.680
but that that stuff dried up very
quickly. Yeah, And and there were

2193
02:17:22.719 --> 02:17:24.920
people that were able to turn a
profit. There were publishers. They were

2194
02:17:24.920 --> 02:17:28.479
able to turn a profit on we
software for a pretty specific period of time.

2195
02:17:30.079 --> 02:17:31.719
But then yeah, like as that
kind of mainstream audience that all bought

2196
02:17:31.760 --> 02:17:35.239
the Wii started to move on when
they realized like this is not bowling,

2197
02:17:37.239 --> 02:17:39.040
Like, all the third parties went
away too. At the same time,

2198
02:17:39.079 --> 02:17:43.760
there were like three to five first
party Nintendo games on the Wii that sold

2199
02:17:43.840 --> 02:17:48.159
like fucking unthinkable numbers of copies.
So it was like, I think Mario

2200
02:17:48.280 --> 02:17:50.000
Kart was a seven is the one
on the Wii? Yeah, whatever,

2201
02:17:50.079 --> 02:17:54.440
the Mario Kart was on the Wei
sold something like thirty or thirty five million

2202
02:17:54.479 --> 02:17:58.040
copies, like it's fucking unthinkable.
Yeah, so that's bigger than still ended

2203
02:17:58.079 --> 02:18:01.879
up being an incredibly lucrative thing for
them. Yeah, but nobody else could

2204
02:18:01.920 --> 02:18:05.840
nobody else could ride that ride that
Wave seven was on the DS. I

2205
02:18:05.879 --> 02:18:07.799
think yeah, you're right, Yeah, you're right. I think it was

2206
02:18:07.920 --> 02:18:11.200
just mart Kart. Yeah yeah,
yeah, you're right, that is true.

2207
02:18:11.520 --> 02:18:13.840
Yeah, so I think you're right. Like it may come down to

2208
02:18:15.000 --> 02:18:18.239
ease of development. Like, forget
your sales numbers, Nintendo, I don't

2209
02:18:18.239 --> 02:18:22.879
care what this thing does if you
don't make your system easy to develop on

2210
02:18:24.079 --> 02:18:26.079
and for me to port my other
steps and I'm already making for the PS

2211
02:18:26.159 --> 02:18:30.000
four. Yeah, Like no one
has the resources to make exclusive games for

2212
02:18:30.079 --> 02:18:33.799
a Nintendo platform anymore, and like
the return is not there, or even

2213
02:18:33.879 --> 02:18:37.680
making a unique version that is,
like you know, if that thing was

2214
02:18:37.760 --> 02:18:39.719
less powerful or whatever, Right,
Like nobody, nobody was willing to do

2215
02:18:39.840 --> 02:18:43.760
even the work to bust down their
assets and like reduce the scale of their

2216
02:18:43.799 --> 02:18:46.159
games to get them on the weekend. You're still games coming to the three

2217
02:18:46.239 --> 02:18:48.799
sixty and p s three. They're
not coming to the WU, even though

2218
02:18:48.879 --> 02:18:50.959
they're kind of in the same wheelhouse, right, you know, like Wrestling

2219
02:18:52.000 --> 02:18:54.719
will come out this year on old
platform. So does it seem like it

2220
02:18:54.840 --> 02:18:56.799
seem like a safe assumption? Do
you guys that the n X will be

2221
02:18:56.959 --> 02:19:00.920
roughly on par with the other two
consoles, like Horsepower Wise, it has

2222
02:19:00.959 --> 02:19:03.520
to be right, I don't think
so. God, what what else would

2223
02:19:03.520 --> 02:19:05.040
it be? They would have to
be there. I think those things are

2224
02:19:05.079 --> 02:19:07.559
not even that far ahead of the
WEIU to the point that it's true,

2225
02:19:07.680 --> 02:19:13.840
But it doesn't matter. That's the
thing. I think the Nintendo like solution

2226
02:19:13.040 --> 02:19:18.120
is to make a great place to
play Nintendo's games and fuck everything else.

2227
02:19:18.399 --> 02:19:20.360
They can give lip service all day
long about a third party support and all

2228
02:19:20.399 --> 02:19:24.479
the other ship and like you know, it'll make sense for like Skylanders to

2229
02:19:24.520 --> 02:19:28.200
come over because we there we Skewed
does really well. There's still I think

2230
02:19:28.479 --> 02:19:31.120
new Skylanders. I think it is
actually still coming out on the fucking Wei

2231
02:19:33.200 --> 02:19:35.719
as well as the Wu y.
That's impressive. I could be wrong,

2232
02:19:35.719 --> 02:19:39.159
but I'm pretty sure that they everywhere
they've got that Amibo deal. They're clearly

2233
02:19:39.920 --> 02:19:43.200
invested in that platform. But that's
not that's what that's WEU. That's not

2234
02:19:43.280 --> 02:19:52.120
WEE anyway, Like it just doesn't
Nintendo. If Nintendo cared about this stuff,

2235
02:19:52.120 --> 02:19:54.520
they would have solved it by now. They would have made strides,

2236
02:19:54.559 --> 02:20:00.959
they would have tried to do something
differently. But all they need to do

2237
02:20:01.159 --> 02:20:05.799
is to make a great place,
a great like reasonably affordable place to play

2238
02:20:05.239 --> 02:20:11.959
Nintendo's games done, and that will
bring enough people in for them to keep

2239
02:20:13.000 --> 02:20:16.719
the lights on and keep going.
If they if they care so much about

2240
02:20:16.760 --> 02:20:20.680
this other stuff that they need to
get into the market in a bigger way

2241
02:20:20.719 --> 02:20:22.959
and increase their market share and all
other stuff, which you know that's a

2242
02:20:22.000 --> 02:20:24.399
business concern and all that sort of
stuff, then yeah, then at that

2243
02:20:24.440 --> 02:20:26.719
point it's like, Okay, it
makes sense to have an architecture that's similar

2244
02:20:26.719 --> 02:20:31.479
to the other platforms so that it
can be easy to put games everywhere,

2245
02:20:31.000 --> 02:20:33.879
and then they'll have their unique hook
that hopefully someone will take advantage of,

2246
02:20:33.920 --> 02:20:39.440
but no one ever will even Nintendo
probably won't sure take great you know,

2247
02:20:39.559 --> 02:20:43.520
make great use of some of that
stuff. I think it makes more sense

2248
02:20:43.559 --> 02:20:46.079
for the NX to be a total
side step of the console business as it

2249
02:20:46.159 --> 02:20:52.719
stands today and be something totally different, just like control wise or just experience

2250
02:20:54.200 --> 02:20:56.239
probably, you know, I think
that like you know, the notion of

2251
02:20:56.440 --> 02:21:00.360
like, hey, what if this
thing was the next hand held and the

2252
02:21:00.440 --> 02:21:03.680
next console, you know, and
was powered appropriately to make sense. You

2253
02:21:03.760 --> 02:21:05.840
know, yeah, if it was
like okay, well you know, hey,

2254
02:21:05.920 --> 02:21:09.200
it's a it's a it's a handheld
that you can dock and play these

2255
02:21:09.280 --> 02:21:13.440
games here too, maybe you know, potentially has hooks into the noble stuff

2256
02:21:13.440 --> 02:21:16.200
they're doing with DNA. Yeah,
you know it could. I mean DNA

2257
02:21:16.280 --> 02:21:18.879
is developing the next kind of Nintendo
Network kind of replacement stuff too, So

2258
02:21:20.799 --> 02:21:22.760
there's you know, of course that
stuff will come into play somewhere along the

2259
02:21:22.840 --> 02:21:26.239
line. But you know, like, yeah, what what is the NX

2260
02:21:26.399 --> 02:21:31.239
Like maybe maybe it could just be
this hybrid. I think a lot of

2261
02:21:31.239 --> 02:21:33.639
people keep coming back to that because
I think it makes sense for them.

2262
02:21:33.879 --> 02:21:37.600
It's the Nintendo experience, Yeah,
because they've done well in the handheld space,

2263
02:21:37.479 --> 02:21:41.079
and then the consoles. You know, the WU kind of floundered,

2264
02:21:41.200 --> 02:21:43.920
like at some point, does it
make sense for them to have two separate

2265
02:21:43.959 --> 02:21:48.799
platforms, split the development resources accordingly, and just have these like relatively confusing

2266
02:21:48.840 --> 02:21:52.959
experiences because like you look at the
WU, it is a big three DS.

2267
02:21:54.079 --> 02:21:56.680
You know, it's a dual screen
thing with touch screen. Yeah,

2268
02:21:56.879 --> 02:22:01.840
it's it is that, but no
one cares. If you could suddenly play

2269
02:22:01.879 --> 02:22:03.680
all the three DS games on it, that'd be pretty awesome, absolutely,

2270
02:22:03.799 --> 02:22:07.120
But that's you know, and all
the DS games all this other stuff that

2271
02:22:07.159 --> 02:22:11.239
you know, like if to have
the software library and not have to squint

2272
02:22:11.239 --> 02:22:13.559
over handheld or something like that,
I think that would be pretty rad.

2273
02:22:13.600 --> 02:22:16.840
It's also it's worth pointing out the
three DS is significantly longer in the tooth

2274
02:22:16.840 --> 02:22:18.559
than the WEU at this point,
and they haven't said anything about a successor

2275
02:22:18.600 --> 02:22:22.000
to that, right, so if
it's all embodied in this one product,

2276
02:22:22.079 --> 02:22:24.959
that would kind of make sense.
Yeah, I think it's it's the right

2277
02:22:26.040 --> 02:22:30.840
time for them to unify all of
their resources behind one thing and say this

2278
02:22:31.120 --> 02:22:33.840
is the thing. If you want
to play Nintendo's games, this is the

2279
02:22:33.000 --> 02:22:37.399
place to do it. And you
know, ideally it would be something that

2280
02:22:37.440 --> 02:22:41.920
would solve, you know, for
kind of their handheld market, and I'd

2281
02:22:41.920 --> 02:22:45.000
be in the TV market. The
only they'll move away from that cheered format

2282
02:22:45.040 --> 02:22:48.440
though, well the only the only
place where this diverges from their typical business

2283
02:22:48.440 --> 02:22:52.799
strategy is if they've always sold through
the DS, Like all the handheld stuff

2284
02:22:52.840 --> 02:22:54.719
going all the way back to the
Game Boy has been cheap and rugged,

2285
02:22:54.879 --> 02:22:58.000
you know, right, Like like
look at the two DS. You know,

2286
02:22:58.079 --> 02:23:01.079
it's just a cheaper It's a cheaper
that you could run over with a

2287
02:23:01.120 --> 02:23:03.360
car and it would still goa like
it would go through the washing machine practically.

2288
02:23:03.920 --> 02:23:07.639
Like, So if they're bundling all
this stuff in the one product,

2289
02:23:07.719 --> 02:23:11.920
it makes me wonder how they sell
to that market of like parents that want

2290
02:23:11.959 --> 02:23:15.200
to get like a cheaper thing.
You've got this great unit called the three

2291
02:23:15.319 --> 02:23:18.680
D. We have a system for
you. It's called the right Yeah.

2292
02:23:18.079 --> 02:23:22.520
I mean it could be that thing
is a rugged handheld that has a TV

2293
02:23:22.639 --> 02:23:26.520
out on it or a docking station
that gives it some additional power to better

2294
02:23:26.799 --> 02:23:30.920
power the larger screen. Right.
I just I feel like there's a certain

2295
02:23:30.959 --> 02:23:33.319
price point that a lot of parents
are looking forward when they just want to

2296
02:23:33.360 --> 02:23:35.760
buy the thing that their kid can
play the Pokemon on. Right. You

2297
02:23:35.840 --> 02:23:37.520
know, I don't know how that
stuff shakes out. Maybe you can buy

2298
02:23:37.520 --> 02:23:41.159
it separately without the ducts. It's
possible. Maybe there is some kind of

2299
02:23:41.120 --> 02:23:46.760
compartmentalized approach, and you know whatever, we're just speculating it. There's there's

2300
02:23:46.799 --> 02:23:50.200
nothing to say that that that's what
it will be. But you know,

2301
02:23:50.319 --> 02:23:52.479
I think that like if you think
about things in that way, a lot

2302
02:23:52.520 --> 02:23:56.159
of what they're saying starts to like
fall in line with that sort of thinking.

2303
02:23:56.360 --> 02:24:01.319
Yeah, and you know, not
to say it's the only way that

2304
02:24:01.399 --> 02:24:05.280
it makes sense, but I just
think it's it's it's probably the smartest move

2305
02:24:05.319 --> 02:24:07.559
they could make right now. And
when you start to think about you know,

2306
02:24:07.719 --> 02:24:11.840
like maybe these got debunked by now, but like the talk about uh,

2307
02:24:11.920 --> 02:24:13.760
you know, like hey it's an
android thing, or hey it's arm

2308
02:24:13.879 --> 02:24:16.280
or you know, hey, it's
like you know that stuff starts to make

2309
02:24:16.360 --> 02:24:18.079
sense. It doesn't, it does. What they're making doesn't need to be

2310
02:24:18.120 --> 02:24:22.959
a huge graphical powerhouse for them.
And then the way you proves that,

2311
02:24:22.120 --> 02:24:26.959
yeah, stuff looks amazing, Like
for the types of games that Nintendo makes,

2312
02:24:26.000 --> 02:24:31.879
they don't need they they're not really
good at, but they're really good

2313
02:24:31.879 --> 02:24:35.559
at making things that look kind of
timeless on the hardware they have totally.

2314
02:24:35.920 --> 02:24:41.159
So you know, if you I'm
confident that like whatever they come up with,

2315
02:24:41.520 --> 02:24:43.840
like the software end of things,
they'll be able to figure it out.

2316
02:24:45.479 --> 02:24:48.120
Trust Nintendo. That's what you're saying
maybe, I mean, but also

2317
02:24:48.239 --> 02:24:52.559
the Nintendo in the grander scheme of
like, you know, when we think

2318
02:24:52.600 --> 02:24:54.879
about the console business, like they
just don't matter in the same way because

2319
02:24:54.879 --> 02:24:58.840
they've carved out their own thing.
They're doing their own thing, and that's

2320
02:24:58.920 --> 02:25:01.000
totally fine. They're going for the
call of duty mass audience. Yeah,

2321
02:25:01.319 --> 02:25:05.520
and there. You know, I
think that the games they make people want

2322
02:25:05.559 --> 02:25:09.399
to play them, and like for
convenience his sake, it would be really

2323
02:25:09.440 --> 02:25:13.000
great if like those games just to
insisted on fucking PS four and an Xbox

2324
02:25:13.079 --> 02:25:16.120
one and a PC, you know, and and a table an iPad,

2325
02:25:16.200 --> 02:25:20.280
you know, like just give people
those games on other platforms. I feel

2326
02:25:20.319 --> 02:25:24.000
so weird for a while at least. Yeah, sure, I mean granted,

2327
02:25:24.040 --> 02:25:26.639
it felt the same way when Saka
stop making consoles. Like that's the

2328
02:25:26.680 --> 02:25:30.639
thing. It's like, on some
level, I don't care about where those

2329
02:25:30.680 --> 02:25:33.440
games end up. Like, you
know, Nintendo doesn't need to stay in

2330
02:25:33.440 --> 02:25:35.479
the hardware business to be relevant,
you know, because it's the games that

2331
02:25:35.559 --> 02:25:39.319
matter, and they've said as much. It is still funny though, like

2332
02:25:39.479 --> 02:25:41.680
like also elsewhere in that thing,
I don't know if you've got it there,

2333
02:25:41.719 --> 02:25:45.239
but there's like fucking like Miyamoto talking
shit about E three. Yes,

2334
02:25:45.360 --> 02:25:50.920
that was the other quote that's in
this article was basically, somebody asked them

2335
02:25:50.000 --> 02:25:54.040
about their kind of poor showing or
you know, there's kind of a reaction

2336
02:25:54.120 --> 02:25:56.799
for the audience that they did not
bring it at E three. The solution

2337
02:25:56.920 --> 02:26:01.239
for eyes they did, but their
response to that was that they decided to

2338
02:26:01.280 --> 02:26:05.639
focus on games that you would be
playing in the near future, as opposed

2339
02:26:05.639 --> 02:26:07.639
to their competitors who showed a lot
of videos in their booth drop Mike,

2340
02:26:07.879 --> 02:26:13.520
Yeah, which actually I feel is
totally not the case. Like, if

2341
02:26:13.520 --> 02:26:16.719
you win into those booths, there
were a lot of fucking games. Yeah,

2342
02:26:16.719 --> 02:26:20.040
I know, you're right. I'd
played games and Sony and myersofts a

2343
02:26:20.159 --> 02:26:22.159
lot of games. There were a
lot of games there. Like certainly they

2344
02:26:22.200 --> 02:26:26.399
announced games and did not show them
in a widely playable form. Yeah,

2345
02:26:26.600 --> 02:26:28.479
Like, I bet you know.
It's stake to their point though, I

2346
02:26:28.600 --> 02:26:31.639
bet you know, if Nintendo had
cobbled together trailers for the games they have

2347
02:26:31.799 --> 02:26:35.200
coming too in three years from now, it would have been a very different

2348
02:26:35.239 --> 02:26:37.360
showing for them. Also, if
they have another platform in the works,

2349
02:26:37.399 --> 02:26:39.639
they don't have videos they can show
for games two and three. Well,

2350
02:26:39.680 --> 02:26:43.040
that's what I'm saying. Like that. They you know, they could have

2351
02:26:43.239 --> 02:26:48.239
theoretically done what Microsoft and Sony did
and showed or announced games that are a

2352
02:26:48.319 --> 02:26:50.079
long way off and coming on the
next platform, and it would have made

2353
02:26:50.079 --> 02:26:54.280
a much bigger impact. But they
did not do that. Yeah, they

2354
02:26:54.360 --> 02:26:56.479
stuff that, you know, they
stuff to work with what they got.

2355
02:26:56.559 --> 02:27:00.079
They can't totally bury the WU and
three DS right now. They still have

2356
02:27:00.159 --> 02:27:03.319
to go through more holiday seasons with
those things before the NX is out,

2357
02:27:03.360 --> 02:27:05.280
so theoretically still ship as Elda game
on we use. I still have to

2358
02:27:05.319 --> 02:27:11.239
play High Rule Heroes. Yeah,
I think probably you're probably good. No,

2359
02:27:11.440 --> 02:27:13.920
you're probably probably I play that game
is good. I think you're fine.

2360
02:27:13.920 --> 02:27:18.520
It's good. I think you're fine. Yeah, you probably don't need

2361
02:27:18.600 --> 02:27:24.079
to play that. I like it. God damn it you Okay watch oh

2362
02:27:24.159 --> 02:27:28.159
man, this news segment is running
super LONGA uh, this happened a while

2363
02:27:28.159 --> 02:27:31.719
ago, but we didn't talk about
it last week. The Star Citizen first

2364
02:27:31.760 --> 02:27:37.040
person shooter module has been delayed.
And definitely what indefinitely do they mean the

2365
02:27:37.399 --> 02:27:41.399
Dictionary definition of indefinitely? Well,
okay, when I've never she got phantom

2366
02:27:41.520 --> 02:27:45.959
dusted I have seen a bunch of
debate about the use of the word indefinitely,

2367
02:27:46.079 --> 02:27:48.280
and to me that when you say
and definitely, it means until further

2368
02:27:48.440 --> 02:27:52.520
notice. Yes, that would be
my dictionary define. Yes, that's what

2369
02:27:52.600 --> 02:27:54.840
it means. If you look at
this game. If you look at something

2370
02:27:54.920 --> 02:28:00.799
when it says definitely and think that
means forever, you're wrong, because but

2371
02:28:00.959 --> 02:28:03.600
what if in this case it does
in fact mean for well, in that

2372
02:28:03.719 --> 02:28:07.760
case, that means that they're lying. Yeah, but also eighty five million

2373
02:28:07.799 --> 02:28:11.600
dollars they better fucking get that thing
done? What is done? But who

2374
02:28:11.639 --> 02:28:16.920
knows. But like, if you
think delayed and definitely means delayed forever,

2375
02:28:16.040 --> 02:28:22.399
there's a more concise word for that, and it's canceled. But that means

2376
02:28:22.479 --> 02:28:28.760
bad press. Yeah sure, but
uh, the FS module had been farmed

2377
02:28:28.799 --> 02:28:33.639
out, correct, that's understand Sitizen
editor, not that. Thank you for

2378
02:28:33.680 --> 02:28:37.000
being here. I'm glad you could
bring your your fount of knowledge about ten

2379
02:28:37.200 --> 02:28:41.200
thousands of you put into only a
couple yea. And are you clear yet

2380
02:28:41.440 --> 02:28:48.879
or my fathans are diminishing? Right? Uh? Yeah, it's been I

2381
02:28:48.920 --> 02:28:52.479
don't know. I guess it's kind
of whatever. Man, I don't like

2382
02:28:52.639 --> 02:28:56.719
the Crisis eension. I've never liked
how the Crisis games felt. Same with

2383
02:28:56.799 --> 02:29:01.159
Battlefield, like they just as first
person shoot. I don't like the way

2384
02:29:01.200 --> 02:29:05.360
they I know what you mean.
There's like some imperceptible lag for me,

2385
02:29:05.719 --> 02:29:07.680
and you can feel that when you're
walking around that hangar looking at your beautiful

2386
02:29:07.680 --> 02:29:13.520
ship. However, in space game
feels pretty good, totally good. Yeah,

2387
02:29:15.479 --> 02:29:18.079
I'm sorry, we really need to
do a video that we will.

2388
02:29:18.280 --> 02:29:20.520
Yeah, we probably should. You're
probably right. I mean, it sounds

2389
02:29:20.559 --> 02:29:24.200
like the in space stuff is what
people really want, right, I'm sure.

2390
02:29:24.239 --> 02:29:26.639
I'm sure. It's fine that you
can board ships and run around and

2391
02:29:26.639 --> 02:29:31.319
shoot stuff on foot, but like
flying and like tweaking out people like your

2392
02:29:31.360 --> 02:29:37.840
ship is what people are really things
Stars and citizens Okay, sounds like they

2393
02:29:37.879 --> 02:29:41.319
got the stars bit. Okay,
yeah, all right, But where do

2394
02:29:41.399 --> 02:29:46.559
I go to vote from your ship? Okay? Service guarantee citizenship? All

2395
02:29:46.639 --> 02:29:50.159
right, man. It's been kind
of a weird week for Star Citizen.

2396
02:29:50.200 --> 02:29:54.840
In addition to this delay, they've
had a couple of relatively high profile producers

2397
02:29:54.920 --> 02:30:00.200
depart the project, which didn't seem
to make like enormous way of in that

2398
02:30:00.239 --> 02:30:03.680
community. But I saw it posted
on their forums. They had a senior

2399
02:30:03.719 --> 02:30:07.959
producer and an executive producer leaf for
other gigs. Maybe they were on the

2400
02:30:07.000 --> 02:30:11.680
FPS team maybe, I don't know. Like they've also just opened a new

2401
02:30:11.719 --> 02:30:15.319
office in Frankfurt though, like they're
all over the world. It's hard to

2402
02:30:15.360 --> 02:30:18.120
keep track of what this thing is
doing because they're in so many places and

2403
02:30:18.239 --> 02:30:22.639
doing so many things. Uh yeah, I mean that game is trying to

2404
02:30:22.680 --> 02:30:26.399
be everything. Yeah, all things, all people, yep, and I

2405
02:30:26.440 --> 02:30:28.200
think pull it off, it'll be
amazing, space sim first person shooter,

2406
02:30:28.280 --> 02:30:37.920
a bitcoin minor and a spreadsheet Yeah, full productivity suite. There's not Eve

2407
02:30:39.000 --> 02:30:43.600
Online. There's started as an update. No, it's a playable as that's

2408
02:30:43.639 --> 02:30:45.959
what they're shooting for it. As
always, I will say, I sure

2409
02:30:46.000 --> 02:30:48.760
hope they'd hit what they're talking about, because it sounds amazing. Yeah.

2410
02:30:48.719 --> 02:30:56.120
Yeah, what they have, while
you know, not very substantial, seems

2411
02:30:56.159 --> 02:31:00.600
solid. Is it like an encouraging
proof of concept? See you do?

2412
02:31:00.719 --> 02:31:03.559
I fucking are there catmen that fly
ships and I blow them up? And

2413
02:31:03.600 --> 02:31:09.879
Tom F. Wilson says that I
did well so far not yet, No

2414
02:31:09.079 --> 02:31:16.000
FMB, because that's all I actually
was. Ginger Allen up to these days.

2415
02:31:16.120 --> 02:31:20.360
Yeah, we're's Mark Camil, Malcolm
McDowell down, man, get him

2416
02:31:20.399 --> 02:31:24.280
out of mothballs. He'll show up
for anything, McDowell. I got to

2417
02:31:24.360 --> 02:31:28.319
spend a day on the set of
one of those games. He's fucking kidding

2418
02:31:28.360 --> 02:31:31.399
me. Really, are you fucking
kidding me? How long have I known

2419
02:31:31.440 --> 02:31:33.479
you? And you never told me
this? I met Tom ff Wilson.

2420
02:31:33.719 --> 02:31:39.200
It must have been four right,
yeah, I think Okay, I've meant

2421
02:31:39.280 --> 02:31:45.799
Tom if Wilson on the set of
Wing Commander fucking joking. Was he cool?

2422
02:31:46.200 --> 02:31:48.680
Yeah? He was a nice guy. Yeah. About Malcolm mcdwell,

2423
02:31:48.680 --> 02:31:50.799
I didn't. I didn't talk to
somebody else, okay, just him.

2424
02:31:50.920 --> 02:31:54.239
Yeah, that's the only one you
really wanted. He's the one I wanted

2425
02:31:54.319 --> 02:31:56.799
to talk to him, like the
rest of them, like, oh,

2426
02:31:56.879 --> 02:31:58.000
yeah, I guess Mark Camil there, he was not there that day.

2427
02:31:58.040 --> 02:32:01.639
Okay. How's the set? Did
it seem like it looked like set,

2428
02:32:01.719 --> 02:32:05.399
like a well budgeted production? Yeah, well enough, I mean yeah,

2429
02:32:05.600 --> 02:32:07.360
I don't know. I had not
been on a lot of this, okay,

2430
02:32:07.440 --> 02:32:09.879
alright, did anything up to that
point? Did they have craft services?

2431
02:32:09.319 --> 02:32:13.920
I did not see any. I
didn't tell you. Yeah, all

2432
02:32:13.040 --> 02:32:18.840
right man, anything else you can
recall. I don't want to let this

2433
02:32:18.959 --> 02:32:22.879
go. Thoma Wilson was was it
was great to al right, Okay,

2434
02:32:22.920 --> 02:32:26.600
we talked a little bit about his
stand up act. Wait really yeah,

2435
02:32:26.840 --> 02:32:30.959
Oh he's yeah, he's comedian.
Really. Oh, I gotta go find

2436
02:32:31.000 --> 02:32:35.079
that. Yes, it's his song. Is is his song about like he

2437
02:32:35.159 --> 02:32:37.879
gets out of guitar and sings a
little song about what it's like to meet

2438
02:32:39.399 --> 02:32:41.879
I gotta go hit YouTube, all
right, one last story real quick,

2439
02:32:41.879 --> 02:32:45.520
and then we'll get out of news
and read a couple of emails. The

2440
02:32:45.799 --> 02:32:52.399
Criterion Games account Yeah posted the following
tweet today Criterion Games Tweet of the Week.

2441
02:32:54.680 --> 02:32:58.639
Yes, we are talking to Microsoft
about making Xbox three sixty Burnout Paradise

2442
02:32:58.680 --> 02:33:03.479
available on Xbox One via backwards compatibility. More news soon. Okay, that's

2443
02:33:03.520 --> 02:33:07.120
pretty good. We should have led
with that. That was way better than

2444
02:33:07.360 --> 02:33:11.959
unless the news ends up being like
nope, sorry. We talked to them.

2445
02:33:11.000 --> 02:33:13.719
They said all we had to do
was say yes, and then we

2446
02:33:13.760 --> 02:33:16.879
went in NaSTA and they said what
no. Yep, thanks to A.

2447
02:33:16.600 --> 02:33:20.239
So I'm just gonna add this to
this story and I'm not gonna tell you

2448
02:33:20.399 --> 02:33:24.399
to go do anything with you your
money, because you know this is not

2449
02:33:24.479 --> 02:33:28.719
a confirmed thing. But Burnout Paradise
for the three sixty is for sale on

2450
02:33:28.840 --> 02:33:31.559
games on Demand right now with three
dollars and seventy four. That's still on

2451
02:33:31.760 --> 02:33:33.079
I just bought it to Okay.
I saw that and I was like,

2452
02:33:33.239 --> 02:33:37.000
well, that's super cheap, but
I have it on disc and I'll probably

2453
02:33:37.000 --> 02:33:39.840
never play it again, so whatever. But knowing that it might this might

2454
02:33:39.920 --> 02:33:43.760
happen, three dollars four cents,
I'm gonna go buy that right after this,

2455
02:33:43.520 --> 02:33:46.920
just to have it without having to
worry about the disk and just in

2456
02:33:46.000 --> 02:33:50.360
case, just in case this comes
to pass, because if that happened,

2457
02:33:50.360 --> 02:33:54.000
they'd probably keep the servers up right, one would hope. Then we could

2458
02:33:54.000 --> 02:34:00.920
play some more Burnout Paradise. Fuck, it's a really good game. Yes

2459
02:34:01.399 --> 02:34:03.159
I'm not even a big driving game
guy, and that game fucking rules.

2460
02:34:05.360 --> 02:34:09.920
Oh it's so good. It's so
good. It really is game of generation.

2461
02:34:11.920 --> 02:34:15.120
I wouldn't Paradise best game to come
out on that set of console.

2462
02:34:15.159 --> 02:34:20.000
I would give you top five for
sure. Well, yeah, I guess

2463
02:34:20.000 --> 02:34:26.920
it is a pretty tight fight between
that and Rock Band three. But yeah,

2464
02:34:28.120 --> 02:34:31.799
that's that's weird. I've bought other
three sixty games at that price.

2465
02:34:31.879 --> 02:34:33.719
I don't know what it is about
that price, in particular five pounds.

2466
02:34:33.760 --> 02:34:39.719
Maybe maybe, I don't know.
That's a good question, all right,

2467
02:34:39.959 --> 02:34:43.360
Let sit for news emails, thread
some electronic mails, BombCast a Giant Bob

2468
02:34:43.399 --> 02:34:48.600
dot com. Well, good,
because I've got some emails prove it.

2469
02:34:50.559 --> 02:34:56.479
Okay, fine. This one comes
in from Michael uh about That Island two

2470
02:34:56.559 --> 02:34:58.680
being a no show at E three. Over the course of the Steam Summer

2471
02:34:58.719 --> 02:35:01.399
Sale, I picked up Dying Light
and I am loving it. I've been

2472
02:35:01.399 --> 02:35:05.559
playing a NonStop for about three weeks
now and it's everything I wanted out of

2473
02:35:05.600 --> 02:35:09.280
Techland's original zombie game, Dead Island. The end game is fantastic. It

2474
02:35:09.360 --> 02:35:11.440
has you running, jumping, and
grappling around the city like no one's business.

2475
02:35:11.639 --> 02:35:13.760
Overall, it is a very polished
experience. In my opinion, I

2476
02:35:13.840 --> 02:35:18.639
agree with everything he says. This
got me thinking during E three we did

2477
02:35:18.680 --> 02:35:22.079
not see Dead Island two. The
mobility in Dying Light makes the game,

2478
02:35:22.479 --> 02:35:26.559
and not having it in excuse me
in the Dead Island two would be tragic.

2479
02:35:28.479 --> 02:35:30.760
Also, going back and looking at
the Dead Island two gameplay from E

2480
02:35:30.840 --> 02:35:33.520
three twenty fourteen, the game looks
dated and lack luster. Could the developers

2481
02:35:33.559 --> 02:35:37.719
of Dead Island two have gone back
to the drawing board after seeing Dying Light.

2482
02:35:37.879 --> 02:35:41.440
I don't know if it's after seeing
Dying Light, but they definitely like

2483
02:35:41.639 --> 02:35:43.719
that. That was a pretty bad
showing for Dead Island two at E three

2484
02:35:43.799 --> 02:35:46.440
light. Yeah, that thing looks
super rough. It was very kind of

2485
02:35:46.799 --> 02:35:50.799
ramshackle and like they aimless. They
got out in front of it and said,

2486
02:35:50.879 --> 02:35:52.239
like, this build is very old, Like this is not the current

2487
02:35:52.280 --> 02:35:54.799
build of the game, but it's
the like kind of most recent stable one

2488
02:35:54.840 --> 02:35:56.639
we have, and we're just going
to show you some stuff. But it

2489
02:35:56.760 --> 02:36:01.479
was very very early. Uh,
and then it didn't show up this year.

2490
02:36:03.239 --> 02:36:03.639
So I don't know, I think
it In fact, I got it

2491
02:36:03.680 --> 02:36:07.399
was supposed to ship at some point. It's it's been pushed off, right,

2492
02:36:07.520 --> 02:36:09.479
That's right. It was supposed to
be out like first half of this

2493
02:36:09.600 --> 02:36:13.360
year. Yeah, So so I
want to say they just kind of skirted

2494
02:36:13.440 --> 02:36:16.959
it to a different release time frame. Yeah, and haven't really shown it,

2495
02:36:16.079 --> 02:36:20.000
but yeah, they very they very
well could be reworking that in some

2496
02:36:20.120 --> 02:36:28.959
way. So it was deep silver. Even Addie three not sure actually you

2497
02:36:30.040 --> 02:36:33.959
got me. Yeah. Uh.
Diga Light is a fucking great game,

2498
02:36:35.040 --> 02:36:39.680
though you haven't played it. Play
it great game? Do you like it?

2499
02:36:39.840 --> 02:36:43.879
Great? No, it's really joyable. It's really good game. There's

2500
02:36:45.000 --> 02:36:46.719
there's some stuff deeper into that game
that will come up at the Game of

2501
02:36:46.719 --> 02:36:52.959
the year time that is not evident
from playing it at first. I've been

2502
02:36:52.040 --> 02:36:56.079
meaning to get to that one.
I recommend that you finish it. That's

2503
02:36:56.079 --> 02:36:58.920
a good endorsement. Okay, I'm
not a I'm not necessarily talking about the

2504
02:36:58.920 --> 02:37:01.200
main storyline either, but some of
the kind of we'll talk more about it

2505
02:37:01.239 --> 02:37:07.319
later. Okay. Email in Helsinki, Finland. His name is email.

2506
02:37:07.879 --> 02:37:13.760
It's you're gonna spell it, yeah, e M I l E mail.

2507
02:37:15.559 --> 02:37:18.559
Yeah, yeah Meal, that's what
I would have thought, but the two

2508
02:37:18.600 --> 02:37:20.639
ease I thought it might be a
long E. I don't know, eat

2509
02:37:20.879 --> 02:37:26.680
M email. There you go,
let's go with that. Uh. Last

2510
02:37:26.719 --> 02:37:30.440
summer I bought my Vita in a
bundle that had PlayStation All Stars Battle roy

2511
02:37:30.479 --> 02:37:31.639
Al as one of the games,
and tried it out for the first time

2512
02:37:31.760 --> 02:37:37.559
last week. Cool, that's the
email. No, even though I didn't

2513
02:37:37.639 --> 02:37:41.559
real excuse me, even though I
didn't really feel anything. While playing it,

2514
02:37:41.280 --> 02:37:46.959
the game made me one really great
way to that's I feel nothing.

2515
02:37:46.239 --> 02:37:50.399
That's yes, that sums up,
that's got. That's kind of harsh.

2516
02:37:50.479 --> 02:37:54.920
But the game made me wonder what
kind of roster would this type of game

2517
02:37:54.000 --> 02:37:58.399
have on the Xbox. Would it
consist only of Master Chief and Marcus Phoenix

2518
02:37:58.440 --> 02:38:01.000
shooting each other, or would they
also add a Fable Guy and Minecraft Dude

2519
02:38:01.040 --> 02:38:07.799
as mandatory melee characters? What does
this Xbox Melee Smash Battle Royal Superstar Let's

2520
02:38:07.840 --> 02:38:11.559
Fighting Love Games roster look like to
you? What blinks the time? Cata

2521
02:38:11.600 --> 02:38:18.079
I don't even know, Cameo and
all her elements, Lizard Guy from Brute

2522
02:38:18.120 --> 02:38:22.479
Force, Fudge Hog, Yeah,
Fudge from Blood Wake, all right,

2523
02:38:24.719 --> 02:38:31.799
big big steel Ball from Fusion Frenzy, Bill Gates, oh man, no

2524
02:38:33.000 --> 02:38:39.079
jailer, it's okay, yeah,
all right, okay, yeah, it's

2525
02:38:39.239 --> 02:38:41.799
it's for as much as like,
you know, this is what you have?

2526
02:38:41.879 --> 02:38:46.399
A car yeah, not not unheard
of a car? Yes on their

2527
02:38:46.479 --> 02:38:50.399
roster? Yeah yeah. For like
as strong as I feel like Microsoft's first

2528
02:38:50.399 --> 02:38:54.399
party stuff has been over time,
I don't feel like there's this giant roster

2529
02:38:54.600 --> 02:38:56.280
of like amazing characters to point two. No, and it was stretching it

2530
02:38:56.399 --> 02:38:58.680
with PlayStation as well. Yeah,
you know, yeah, you're right.

2531
02:38:58.760 --> 02:39:03.280
Even they had some some Yeah,
I mean the thing is like the PS

2532
02:39:03.319 --> 02:39:05.559
one launched in an era when that
was still relevant. It's just that they

2533
02:39:05.600 --> 02:39:11.040
don't have the rights to scrash Bandicoot
anymore that the other cool stuff. Yeah,

2534
02:39:11.639 --> 02:39:16.520
but yeah, I mean they did
with Microsoft's like the Xbox came of

2535
02:39:16.600 --> 02:39:20.200
age in an era when you were
making realistic seeming games about fucking dudes.

2536
02:39:20.440 --> 02:39:28.079
Yeah, I mean about fucking dude
about dudes, hot stuff direct x XX.

2537
02:39:31.319 --> 02:39:35.520
Was I talking about good events,
Yeah, I mean the original X

2538
02:39:35.879 --> 02:39:37.520
Yeah, they they had their time
with some mascotty sort of characters, but

2539
02:39:37.639 --> 02:39:41.200
like they're very much not about that. It's like, here's some fucking realistic

2540
02:39:41.239 --> 02:39:48.120
shit. Here's here's some characters that
can hold guns. One of these guns

2541
02:39:48.159 --> 02:39:50.639
as a chainsaw on it. Yeah, it's like it's telling that some of

2542
02:39:50.680 --> 02:39:54.920
the best characters that they would have
access to started out as a Nintendo characters

2543
02:39:56.360 --> 02:40:01.719
they came along with rare here stuff. But I mean, yeah, yes,

2544
02:40:01.840 --> 02:40:03.479
Pierce Broson, that's pretty good.
But even in that case, like,

2545
02:40:03.840 --> 02:40:09.040
how many would you put into a
game like that Banjo and Kazoo.

2546
02:40:09.440 --> 02:40:16.760
Yeah, okay, Conquer Stubbs.
That's not them? Is it publish that?

2547
02:40:16.079 --> 02:40:22.280
That was originally a pot It was, but you know it wasn't necessarily

2548
02:40:22.840 --> 02:40:26.799
theirs. I mean they would have
to go lean on third parties like they

2549
02:40:26.840 --> 02:40:33.280
always have, you know, yea
third party exclusive. That's true. There

2550
02:40:33.360 --> 02:40:35.600
was a time when they could have
done that successfully, but not so much

2551
02:40:35.639 --> 02:40:41.280
anymore. All those third parties are
doing it on PS four now. Anyway.

2552
02:40:41.879 --> 02:40:43.719
Yeah, I don't know. I
don't think that game could or should

2553
02:40:43.760 --> 02:40:50.159
exist. Cool spot, there's your
answer. Uh. Laurie, also in

2554
02:40:50.239 --> 02:40:56.440
Finland, writes in about new input
methods. I'm Alan Wake. You should

2555
02:40:56.440 --> 02:41:01.959
see my specials. I throw fucking
batteries at you. Something something going on

2556
02:41:03.159 --> 02:41:09.959
in Night Springs? No, quarter
circle forward? Not so much into okay

2557
02:41:11.000 --> 02:41:15.559
fine. When this generation of consoles
was unveiled, both had some new ways

2558
02:41:15.600 --> 02:41:18.920
to supplement the basic controller input.
On PS four, the touchpad was supposed

2559
02:41:18.920 --> 02:41:22.120
to open up a whole new world
of swiping and pinching. Oh yeah no.

2560
02:41:22.520 --> 02:41:24.079
On the Xbox One, the connect
could be used to lean around corners

2561
02:41:24.159 --> 02:41:28.239
or give voice commands to your troops. Hell. Yes, but since the

2562
02:41:28.319 --> 02:41:31.399
release, there has been very little
talk of either, and I'm wondering to

2563
02:41:31.479 --> 02:41:35.079
developers even bother. Is the touchpad
just an additional button to even first party

2564
02:41:35.159 --> 02:41:39.639
games like Fortsa or the upcoming Halo
support any of the connect stuff. It's

2565
02:41:39.680 --> 02:41:43.639
not even an additional button. It's
just the select button. Yes, you

2566
02:41:43.680 --> 02:41:46.239
know, because the share button is
dedicated to its own. Shit. Yes,

2567
02:41:46.319 --> 02:41:48.639
they renamed start the options, and
when you pushing the touch pad,

2568
02:41:48.680 --> 02:41:50.479
it's a select button. I fucking
wish that it had a select button.

2569
02:41:50.920 --> 02:41:56.120
Sure that share button bums me out. You could have easily embedded that share

2570
02:41:56.159 --> 02:42:01.000
functionality in the OS somehow. This
is like a long button impress or something.

2571
02:42:01.120 --> 02:42:03.719
Remember anything, Remember when we first
heard that that was a dedicated button,

2572
02:42:03.959 --> 02:42:07.600
that thing, it was like like
nobody wanted to believe it. It

2573
02:42:07.680 --> 02:42:11.719
was like a month before they get
who we were talking to, and someone

2574
02:42:11.799 --> 02:42:13.879
was like, yeah, I think
you're able to stream out of the fucking

2575
02:42:13.920 --> 02:42:16.799
thing, right, I remember both
consoles right out of the fun I'm like,

2576
02:42:16.879 --> 02:42:20.639
what, yep, that's fucking insane
with a like a physical button dedicated

2577
02:42:20.680 --> 02:42:24.360
to that. Really, Like,
who cares? Why would well? I

2578
02:42:24.440 --> 02:42:26.000
think I like the functionality I use. Yeah, if they buried it,

2579
02:42:26.079 --> 02:42:30.959
no one would ever use it to
be a button, I guess, but

2580
02:42:31.280 --> 02:42:35.760
Bay check it out select button.
Just touched the fucking touchpad in like who

2581
02:42:35.840 --> 02:42:37.000
cares, Like it's fine, Well, but that brings me you're using the

2582
02:42:37.079 --> 02:42:39.840
touchpad for anything else? Well,
but that's the Yeah, that's the tragedy

2583
02:42:39.879 --> 02:42:43.920
that brings me to the answer to
this guy's question, and which is,

2584
02:42:43.000 --> 02:42:46.600
yeah, they're not using nothing for
ship because it's not good. Well,

2585
02:42:46.879 --> 02:42:50.680
you're right, it's a bad touchpad. Like you don't, like have you

2586
02:42:50.760 --> 02:42:54.200
tried it on a PC? Like
with the the tools, like the drivers

2587
02:42:54.239 --> 02:42:56.680
that let you use that thing as
makes basically a mouse cursor like pointing device

2588
02:42:56.760 --> 02:43:01.079
on PC. It's fucking infuriating to
try it navigate windows with that thing.

2589
02:43:01.239 --> 02:43:03.719
It's inferiing to try to navigate a
PS four with that fucking thing, right,

2590
02:43:03.879 --> 02:43:05.159
you know. Like, but I
will say, like the witcher uses

2591
02:43:05.200 --> 02:43:09.760
the touchpad in some some creative ways, and like they're pretty much undocumented,

2592
02:43:09.799 --> 02:43:13.639
so I found out about them on
like forums. But like me, that's

2593
02:43:13.719 --> 02:43:16.760
right, you did tell me about
some of those. Yes, you're totally

2594
02:43:16.879 --> 02:43:18.799
yes, you told them that.
Jason posted to a forum. It's right.

2595
02:43:18.920 --> 02:43:22.600
Jason came in like the week the
game came out and said, like,

2596
02:43:22.680 --> 02:43:24.319
yeah, do you know if you
swipe up on the touch pad and

2597
02:43:24.360 --> 02:43:26.680
goes straight to the map, like
there are shortcuts on that thing and the

2598
02:43:26.719 --> 02:43:31.280
witcher that like, because otherwise you're
buttoning through like three layers of menus to

2599
02:43:31.319 --> 02:43:33.639
get to things like map in inventory. But in that game, it's like

2600
02:43:33.200 --> 02:43:35.520
swipe up goes to the map.
If you hold the touchpad in it goes

2601
02:43:35.520 --> 02:43:39.559
straight to inventory. Like they use
it creatively in some cool ways there,

2602
02:43:39.159 --> 02:43:43.040
whereas yes, most games are just
using it as a giant button and that's

2603
02:43:43.079 --> 02:43:48.200
a bummer. And the connect stuff, it's like, fucking that thing is

2604
02:43:50.239 --> 02:43:52.319
as dead as a as a boxed
in peripheral kid. Get well, yeah,

2605
02:43:52.319 --> 02:43:54.280
because it's optional, you have to
write it off now, it is

2606
02:43:54.559 --> 02:43:58.159
right, You're right. Now,
you can't rely on it for anything because

2607
02:43:58.159 --> 02:44:01.440
it doesn't preclude them putting in optional
control schemes with it. But who wants

2608
02:44:01.559 --> 02:44:03.840
that. It's like, you know, it would like to think about just

2609
02:44:03.000 --> 02:44:05.600
the oppor the cost there. It's
like, you know, devote someone to

2610
02:44:05.639 --> 02:44:09.239
add and connect ship to a game
that is only going to exist on one

2611
02:44:09.360 --> 02:44:13.239
version of the game that it has
to be custom for Xbox One, and

2612
02:44:13.319 --> 02:44:16.239
that then not even for exclusive games. Can you count on it being there?

2613
02:44:18.479 --> 02:44:20.440
Right? And then you know,
like why do the work? Like

2614
02:44:20.559 --> 02:44:22.600
we like, take that person,
put them on something else. Ye like,

2615
02:44:22.799 --> 02:44:28.079
how about instead of that, you
make this game not crash? Okay,

2616
02:44:30.120 --> 02:44:33.680
you know what, I like controllers
with buttons. There's nothing wrong with

2617
02:44:33.760 --> 02:44:37.040
buttons. Yeah, they get the
job done. And analog sticks yep,

2618
02:44:37.879 --> 02:44:43.319
triggers. Yeah, that all these
things are serviceable. They are the workhorses

2619
02:44:43.360 --> 02:44:46.040
of video game and put and they
work great for the vast majority of the

2620
02:44:46.079 --> 02:44:48.360
games. And I think, you
know, as VR catches on again and

2621
02:44:48.520 --> 02:44:52.440
you know, we start to have
these kind of motion gaming conversations like you

2622
02:44:52.479 --> 02:44:56.120
know, maybe we'll get back into
move controllers real big sure, or these

2623
02:44:56.200 --> 02:45:01.600
these half moon things that Occulus is
sell. I'll say again that that unnamed

2624
02:45:01.680 --> 02:45:07.159
first person shooter demo thing they had
from Orpheus was cool. Cool. Who

2625
02:45:07.239 --> 02:45:09.799
knew the move controller was so capable? Well, I mean until I turned

2626
02:45:09.799 --> 02:45:13.520
around and suddenly the camera couldn't see
it anymore. Yeah, kind of broke.

2627
02:45:13.719 --> 02:45:16.879
Yes, Well, that's probably where
stuff like the Oculus controllers comes in.

2628
02:45:16.200 --> 02:45:20.959
That is a lot more capable than
that. Next email comes from David

2629
02:45:20.040 --> 02:45:24.719
and Santa Clara. It's to Drew, what's up? Excited for Metal Gear

2630
02:45:24.719 --> 02:45:28.239
Scandal in four? And just sat
through the sixteen minute teaser trailer, just

2631
02:45:28.399 --> 02:45:31.040
wondering was that one take? Or
was there clever editing involved? If if

2632
02:45:31.079 --> 02:45:35.719
it took many takes? I uh
sorry the typo. If it took many

2633
02:45:35.760 --> 02:45:39.440
takes? How long were you guys
filming to make it happen? How many

2634
02:45:39.520 --> 02:45:43.200
red vines were consumed? I thought
about reading through the comments on the video

2635
02:45:43.239 --> 02:45:45.920
to find an answer, but they
were at six hundred comments and growing by

2636
02:45:46.000 --> 02:45:50.399
the time I discovered it. Do
you really think I would have eaten an

2637
02:45:50.559 --> 02:45:54.079
entire box of red vines more than
one time? Yeah? That was one

2638
02:45:54.120 --> 02:45:58.000
take, One fucking takes. That
does not sound like something that would have

2639
02:45:58.040 --> 02:46:01.959
a good outcome eating that many red
vines. No, the boy knocked it

2640
02:46:03.040 --> 02:46:05.600
out, man, he didn't laugh. Oh my god. Was Dan in

2641
02:46:05.680 --> 02:46:09.719
the shot or did he get dropped
in later? He was, No,

2642
02:46:09.840 --> 02:46:15.319
he was there. He was actually
directing me off camera. I just kept

2643
02:46:15.360 --> 02:46:18.600
saying shit, like, uh,
so you had an eyeline had something?

2644
02:46:20.120 --> 02:46:24.000
Yeah? So well, No,
he he was he was off he was

2645
02:46:24.079 --> 02:46:26.239
outside my eyeline because I had to
look around. Because Snake is looking around,

2646
02:46:26.360 --> 02:46:30.559
it's not focused on one spot.
But Dan would like make sure I

2647
02:46:30.639 --> 02:46:35.239
wasn't focusing one spot too too long. And then when I so in the

2648
02:46:35.440 --> 02:46:39.040
in the original loading screen, the
camera pans down to Snake when he's grabbing

2649
02:46:39.040 --> 02:46:43.239
a cigarette. Jason didn't wouldn't know
when I was going to go for one.

2650
02:46:43.000 --> 02:46:46.239
Uh. So when I finished a
red vine, Dan would cue both

2651
02:46:46.360 --> 02:46:50.840
me and Jason for me to pick
another one, and then Jason would note

2652
02:46:50.840 --> 02:46:54.239
a pan down and pan oup uh. And then Dan went off on vacation

2653
02:46:54.479 --> 02:46:58.120
that Friday, which is when I
did the majority of the editing work.

2654
02:46:58.799 --> 02:47:03.879
Uh. And he had written about
ten of those little tool tips uh.

2655
02:47:03.959 --> 02:47:07.079
And then I spaced them out in
the timeline and over seventeen minutes that they

2656
02:47:07.159 --> 02:47:09.760
come up way too infrequently, so
I had to write like twenty more.

2657
02:47:11.159 --> 02:47:13.760
Uh. Yeah, that turned out
a good, dumb and fun little project.

2658
02:47:13.879 --> 02:47:18.440
It originally was going to be just
like an animated gift. Yeah.

2659
02:47:18.479 --> 02:47:22.360
We were just gonna actually we were
just gonna mock up an image of me

2660
02:47:22.760 --> 02:47:24.719
standing there with the red with the
red vine. But we were like,

2661
02:47:24.840 --> 02:47:28.719
you know that initial install for that
game was like around fifteen minutes, and

2662
02:47:28.760 --> 02:47:31.559
so we should we should make a
fifteen minute video. Yeah. Yeah,

2663
02:47:31.680 --> 02:47:37.280
so we did it. I believe
it. Didn't they do something in that

2664
02:47:37.360 --> 02:47:39.840
game at some point where they made
that. Yeah, so wait, actually,

2665
02:47:39.200 --> 02:47:41.159
if they've patched it so you can
install the whole thing, yeah,

2666
02:47:41.200 --> 02:47:43.840
let me well, let me walk
back. So yeah, what was it

2667
02:47:43.920 --> 02:47:48.399
like you basically had to install each
act as you got to it. Yeah.

2668
02:47:48.479 --> 02:47:50.559
Yeah, and then if you went
back to a previous act and you

2669
02:47:50.680 --> 02:47:54.479
have to install it again. Yes, what so fucking to minimize the impact

2670
02:47:54.520 --> 02:47:58.600
on the hard drive. It's only
command at the time. Yeah. Wow,

2671
02:48:00.079 --> 02:48:03.440
So I I just went over there
and installed it and to capture like

2672
02:48:03.520 --> 02:48:07.360
how it all, what it all
looks like so I could recreate it.

2673
02:48:07.840 --> 02:48:11.959
Uh. And so the install is
about sixteen mats for the whole game,

2674
02:48:11.040 --> 02:48:13.559
for the whole game, okay.
Uh. And apparently when you get to

2675
02:48:13.639 --> 02:48:18.319
those points, it just skips over
him. Okay, so there are like,

2676
02:48:18.200 --> 02:48:26.120
uh, we actually had the a
loop of snake on YouTube. Someone

2677
02:48:26.159 --> 02:48:28.559
had captured the like one of the
mid game installs, and he has the

2678
02:48:28.639 --> 02:48:33.440
eye patch on for the mid game
install. Uh. And then we we

2679
02:48:33.559 --> 02:48:37.719
basically played that in the studio on
loop to set the tone right, because

2680
02:48:37.719 --> 02:48:41.559
then the music was playing. I
actually just found a music track that sounded

2681
02:48:41.559 --> 02:48:46.360
like metal gear on on Audio Network. Are royalty for up good match.

2682
02:48:46.920 --> 02:48:50.440
But yeah, in the original in
the initial install screen, he does not

2683
02:48:50.559 --> 02:48:56.319
have the ipatch M correct. Yeah, MGS four. I've always thought about

2684
02:48:56.319 --> 02:49:00.520
going back to that since they passed
in trophies and made the install better and

2685
02:49:00.559 --> 02:49:03.479
stuff. But also as soon as
you finished the install and hit the button,

2686
02:49:03.559 --> 02:49:05.280
he says, kept you waiting,
huh, And then so I put

2687
02:49:05.319 --> 02:49:11.399
that. I put my voice saying
that in there too. Great, that's

2688
02:49:11.440 --> 02:49:15.159
good stuff, all right. Attention
to detail for the stupidest things. Yes,

2689
02:49:15.520 --> 02:49:18.600
that's where it matters the most,
you know. I gotta I gotta

2690
02:49:18.639 --> 02:49:24.879
get it in where it counts.
Rob from Los Angeles. I'll tell you,

2691
02:49:24.280 --> 02:49:28.120
sup. Why do games locked frame
rates? I could be wrong,

2692
02:49:28.200 --> 02:49:31.319
but my understanding is the locked frame
rates set an absolute upper limit, that's

2693
02:49:31.319 --> 02:49:35.520
true, preventing your hardware from achieving
better performance. I grew up on PC

2694
02:49:35.680 --> 02:49:39.719
gaming, and building a machine that
could achieve the fastest frame rate possible was

2695
02:49:39.760 --> 02:49:43.719
the top priority for me. But
recently talk of console games with locked frame

2696
02:49:43.799 --> 02:49:46.920
rates seems to run counter to that. Why would developers want to hamstring the

2697
02:49:46.040 --> 02:49:50.879
raw performance of a system so we
don't have forty frames a second, sixty

2698
02:49:50.879 --> 02:49:54.040
frames, oh, seventy five and
then twenty yeah yeah, yeah, give

2699
02:49:54.040 --> 02:49:56.680
me, give me a smooth the
swing. The swing between twenty five and

2700
02:49:56.799 --> 02:50:00.760
thirty is way less jarring than the
swing between twenty five and forty five.

2701
02:50:00.879 --> 02:50:05.799
I say, that looks real ugly, Like I would. I would take

2702
02:50:05.840 --> 02:50:09.879
a lock thirty, like a super
locked, super perfect lock thirty over like

2703
02:50:09.000 --> 02:50:15.920
a swing in between, like say
forty and sixty a day fourteen sixty Yeah,

2704
02:50:16.840 --> 02:50:18.719
like that. That difference is so
jarring that I would rather have something

2705
02:50:18.799 --> 02:50:22.239
steady and reliable. There's definitely something
to be said for a consistent frame right,

2706
02:50:22.319 --> 02:50:24.120
yes, yes, I would,
you know, and a lot of

2707
02:50:24.159 --> 02:50:28.159
the most single player games, like
single player story driven stuff, it's totally

2708
02:50:28.239 --> 02:50:31.840
fine, you know, fighters,
driving games like you know, there there

2709
02:50:31.920 --> 02:50:35.920
is a category of games that needs
to be sixty, a steady sixty,

2710
02:50:35.040 --> 02:50:41.040
but or a consistent, anticipatable Yeah. Well, a lot of people would

2711
02:50:41.079 --> 02:50:43.479
argue they wouldn't want to play a
driving game or a fighting game or something

2712
02:50:43.559 --> 02:50:46.319
at less than sixty. I certainly
wouldn't, but if you had to.

2713
02:50:48.000 --> 02:50:50.760
But if it's even battle Arena to
Shinton in three so much better, it's

2714
02:50:50.920 --> 02:50:54.879
so much better. That is an
option you can you can toggle it between

2715
02:50:54.920 --> 02:50:58.200
thirty and sixty eight and it turns
off graphics. It's awesome. It turns

2716
02:50:58.200 --> 02:51:01.840
off like the texture maps first one, three, three, Okay, okay,

2717
02:51:01.120 --> 02:51:03.760
I mean it's the first time in
the list of the best fighting games

2718
02:51:03.799 --> 02:51:07.200
of all time as far as the
ranking of fighters is concerned, it is

2719
02:51:07.280 --> 02:51:11.239
the greatest fighting game of all time. Yeah, but something like like you

2720
02:51:11.319 --> 02:51:15.639
know, the Duke Batman on PS
four is a nice steady thirty, and

2721
02:51:15.719 --> 02:51:18.360
that's totally fine for a game like
that. If that's the best you can

2722
02:51:18.399 --> 02:51:24.079
do, that's that's good. Uh, only speed through some of these.

2723
02:51:24.920 --> 02:51:28.840
I should add, if you haven't
seen The Sight in a while, we

2724
02:51:28.000 --> 02:51:31.639
did do a trailer or a teaser
for Middle Year Scanaling four. It is

2725
02:51:31.680 --> 02:51:37.200
coming out the first episode Tuesday,
July fourteenth. We are committed now,

2726
02:51:37.440 --> 02:51:43.000
Yep, I haven't recorded any yet. Yep. That's that's no one was

2727
02:51:43.079 --> 02:51:46.479
around when I put that date in
there, Like I'm just I'm gonna pick

2728
02:51:46.559 --> 02:51:50.280
this date. I hope it's okay
for Dan and Jason. It'll work out.

2729
02:51:50.440 --> 02:51:52.319
Well, yeah, we'll work it
out. People thought I think that

2730
02:51:52.399 --> 02:51:54.920
we've recorded some alrighty, and because
they saw like I played through like the

2731
02:51:54.959 --> 02:51:58.959
first chapter I first act like a
week or two ago. Oh really,

2732
02:51:58.040 --> 02:52:01.680
so they see your eve been through
your shophees, We haven't recorded any we

2733
02:52:01.760 --> 02:52:07.479
have it yet, Sorry suckers.
All right. Michael writes it in about

2734
02:52:07.520 --> 02:52:13.719
weak ass pinball Yeah, Jeff,
huh. A pinball bar called the Racket

2735
02:52:13.879 --> 02:52:16.559
just opened up in my town with
a bunch of pinball machines upstairs. Obviously

2736
02:52:18.559 --> 02:52:20.680
they have classics like Medieval Madness and
Tails from the Crypt, but their next

2737
02:52:20.719 --> 02:52:26.600
generation machine doesn't work. What kind
of low rent establishment would call themselves a

2738
02:52:26.680 --> 02:52:30.639
pinball bar without a working T and
G table? Can anything be done about

2739
02:52:30.680 --> 02:52:33.360
this? Injustice? So that's where
it went. Yeah, the one,

2740
02:52:33.479 --> 02:52:35.959
the one that was here in bris. Yes, we did be Half the

2741
02:52:37.000 --> 02:52:39.360
reason I pulled this email is because
we had a non functional T and G

2742
02:52:39.559 --> 02:52:43.719
tablefice in this office until like what
two three weeks ago or something, I

2743
02:52:43.760 --> 02:52:46.959
don't know when it disappeared. It
disappeared out of the lounge. I don't

2744
02:52:46.959 --> 02:52:50.479
go in the kitchen, out of
the kitchen. Recently, the accountants have

2745
02:52:50.639 --> 02:52:54.319
been periodically swiping stuff from that room. They took the arcade countant for us,

2746
02:52:54.440 --> 02:52:58.319
and I'm guessing they took that pinball
table as well. What to another

2747
02:52:58.360 --> 02:53:01.799
floor? Yes? What? Yes? Uh? It ain't right man,

2748
02:53:03.280 --> 02:53:07.520
those things come out of our budget. I don't know they've been re Do

2749
02:53:07.639 --> 02:53:11.200
we scour do any of the policy? Well not ours? You'd be able

2750
02:53:11.200 --> 02:53:18.239
to hide that accountants. God right, I'm gonna perfect crime. I'm gonna

2751
02:53:18.239 --> 02:53:22.959
deploy the robot scour the building see
if I can find that fucking next generation

2752
02:53:24.040 --> 02:53:26.600
table. Did anybody log in over
the weekend? I thought about it,

2753
02:53:26.680 --> 02:53:31.799
but you know there's nobody here.
What are you gonna look at? You

2754
02:53:31.040 --> 02:53:39.719
turn on all the lights, true
freak out security. Yeah, yeah,

2755
02:53:39.719 --> 02:53:43.360
I don't know. Do you have
an answer for this guy? There's really

2756
02:53:43.399 --> 02:53:48.799
no answer for the place of the
ground, right, I don't know.

2757
02:53:48.879 --> 02:53:54.040
Medieval madness. It's a it's a
great table. Yeah, it's not one

2758
02:53:54.040 --> 02:53:58.120
of my favorites, but it's really
cool. Do you want to hear more

2759
02:53:58.280 --> 02:54:05.920
about we roll it back. Let's
talk about VR for a minute. First

2760
02:54:05.200 --> 02:54:09.680
roll back, and then we'll move
on okay. Jim from Sterling Heights,

2761
02:54:09.719 --> 02:54:16.200
Michigan, Okay, VR the asshole
conundrum, Dear co workers of Dan Reichord

2762
02:54:16.879 --> 02:54:18.600
as a man living with a wife
and three kids, all of whom think

2763
02:54:18.639 --> 02:54:24.600
they are hilarious pranksters. How do
I safely use any VR headset without being

2764
02:54:24.719 --> 02:54:28.200
left vulnerable to any number of practical
jokes? Lock yourself in a room,

2765
02:54:28.399 --> 02:54:35.840
trapdoors okay, snares? Oh yeah, pungee sticks, Yeah, dig a

2766
02:54:35.920 --> 02:54:39.719
tiger trap. Yeah that sounds good. Yeah. Sprinkle a thin line of

2767
02:54:39.799 --> 02:54:45.399
cinnamon and a circle around your chair. They'll be free to approach. Uh.

2768
02:54:45.959 --> 02:54:50.440
Yeah, you pretty much are.
Just expose be fully nude also,

2769
02:54:50.559 --> 02:54:54.639
okay, just to like further,
it's probably good and off putting. Yeah,

2770
02:54:56.440 --> 02:54:58.200
don't shower I'm writing, okay,
Yeah, I keep going, keep

2771
02:54:58.280 --> 02:55:03.360
going, just to actually just give
up personal hygiene altogether. Yeah that should

2772
02:55:03.440 --> 02:55:11.239
help. That's it works for me, I guess. Yeahs electrify yourself so

2773
02:55:11.280 --> 02:55:16.760
if they touch you, they'll get
chucked. All good suggestions, All good

2774
02:55:16.760 --> 02:55:22.399
suggestions. Mitchell from Memphis. Here's
another more serious email about VR hey podcast.

2775
02:55:22.440 --> 02:55:24.879
I was wondering if you could see
VR tech being used in ways other

2776
02:55:24.959 --> 02:55:28.879
than gaming and learning. We've obviously
seen VR games and people have spoken about

2777
02:55:28.879 --> 02:55:31.239
applying this tech for learning purposes.
But I have an idea that I haven't

2778
02:55:31.280 --> 02:55:35.079
heard. I was thinking about the
possibility of using VR to help cure people's

2779
02:55:35.079 --> 02:55:39.920
phobias. No psychologists, but I've
always been under the impression that the best

2780
02:55:39.920 --> 02:55:43.440
way to get over fear is to
face it using software that maybe creates a

2781
02:55:43.520 --> 02:55:48.239
certain environment for certain phobias, like
the ocean for people for the ocean tower

2782
02:55:48.360 --> 02:55:52.040
for those afraid of heights, et
cetera. Or even more everyday fear is

2783
02:55:52.079 --> 02:55:54.959
like public speaking, people with a
gorphobia, people with a fear of rejection,

2784
02:55:54.040 --> 02:55:56.639
et cetera. I think there is
a very interesting future for VR.

2785
02:55:58.399 --> 02:56:01.319
Can you guys see VR being used
for phobias? Are there any other real

2786
02:56:01.360 --> 02:56:05.040
world applications you could see for the
technology? Yeah? Sure, like sculpting

2787
02:56:05.120 --> 02:56:09.200
and manufacturing and that sort of stuff
like prototyping. Yeah, you know,

2788
02:56:09.639 --> 02:56:13.360
I could see it being useful in
architecture if you're able to walk around in

2789
02:56:13.399 --> 02:56:15.920
a building that you've designed. Yeah, like that sort of stuff for sure.

2790
02:56:15.959 --> 02:56:20.959
A lot of medical applications, it
sounds like, yeah, but the

2791
02:56:20.040 --> 02:56:22.520
phobias thing, man, holy Yeah, that's I don't know that. I

2792
02:56:22.959 --> 02:56:28.959
read a weird sidebar in Discovery the
other day about they've seen positive effect on

2793
02:56:28.040 --> 02:56:33.879
arachnophobia by showing people pictures of spider
like objects, not spiders themselves, but

2794
02:56:33.959 --> 02:56:37.479
things like tripods, Like I forget, I forget what some of the other

2795
02:56:37.639 --> 02:56:41.239
the examples were, but you know, they're like everyday objects that look like

2796
02:56:41.280 --> 02:56:43.280
they have a bunch of legs or
whatever. Yeah, I mean the point

2797
02:56:43.319 --> 02:56:46.920
of something like that is to desensitize
the person to it. I mean they

2798
02:56:48.000 --> 02:56:56.239
actually do this with sufferers of PTSD. Uh. They'll they have video game

2799
02:56:56.280 --> 02:56:58.680
simulations that you know, people just
view on a monitor, but they're really

2800
02:56:58.760 --> 02:57:03.200
like low res and like terrible textures
and everything, because you don't want it

2801
02:57:03.280 --> 02:57:05.600
to be too real, like you
want to be able to separate it.

2802
02:57:05.639 --> 02:57:09.479
But then as far as I understand
it at least, and then they can

2803
02:57:09.559 --> 02:57:13.000
like turn on better graphics and stuff
and make it more real, start playing,

2804
02:57:13.319 --> 02:57:16.840
start like seeing people in the world, start playing sound effects and stuff,

2805
02:57:16.840 --> 02:57:22.120
and I think VR would be good
on that. Yeah as well.

2806
02:57:22.239 --> 02:57:24.760
It's like, you know, it
seems like potentially has a lot of like

2807
02:57:26.079 --> 02:57:28.959
just straight up life changing applications.
You know, it could be like a

2808
02:57:30.040 --> 02:57:33.639
lot of crazy cases, the use
cases that nobody's even thought of yet.

2809
02:57:33.399 --> 02:57:39.840
It could be everywhere. Yeah,
bring on the porn. I'm sure that.

2810
02:57:39.000 --> 02:57:46.479
I'm sure that will not take long
fad to guess. This one came

2811
02:57:46.520 --> 02:57:50.360
in from someone who requested their name
be withheld. Great, I'll read it

2812
02:57:50.360 --> 02:57:56.079
anyway. It's totally benign. Hey, guys, a long time listen your

2813
02:57:56.079 --> 02:57:58.799
first time emailer. Lately, for
some odd reason, I have been thinking

2814
02:57:58.799 --> 02:58:01.959
about what constitution my generation of gamer? As the industry moves forward and evolves

2815
02:58:03.000 --> 02:58:05.239
and more people are being introduced to
video games, what generation would I fit

2816
02:58:05.319 --> 02:58:09.159
into? I'm twenty three years old
and grew up with game systems such as

2817
02:58:09.200 --> 02:58:13.239
the Game Boy Color and Tendo sixty
four. The only generations I hear about

2818
02:58:13.319 --> 02:58:16.639
are people like you guys who grew
up with arcades and to No take a

2819
02:58:16.719 --> 02:58:20.479
Genesis Combore sixty four, etcetera.
And the current generation of gamers who are

2820
02:58:20.559 --> 02:58:24.600
growing up with games like Minecraft and
shitty survival games. I never hear about

2821
02:58:24.639 --> 02:58:28.239
the in between. Is there a
category for this generation? Lost generation?

2822
02:58:30.360 --> 02:58:39.120
Generation lost to fucking fog and awful
horrible draw in. Yeah, swimming vertices

2823
02:58:39.159 --> 02:58:43.200
on your polygon is the best shit
ever made? People who like Final Fantasy

2824
02:58:43.280 --> 02:58:46.600
seventh, Yeah, I mean this
this person is like right for that at

2825
02:58:46.639 --> 02:58:52.799
some point. Right, that's kind
of where I am because I have I

2826
02:58:52.840 --> 02:58:56.120
have a younger brother and sister,
and so when we like the Tendo sixty

2827
02:58:56.159 --> 02:58:58.360
four was great for that because it
was you know, four player, so

2828
02:58:58.680 --> 02:59:01.440
I played a lot of that.
I have a genness has grown up.

2829
02:59:01.600 --> 02:59:05.840
You came out of that era liking
good games somehow true. That's not to

2830
02:59:05.879 --> 02:59:09.600
say that this guy doesn't. No, no, you're no I am what

2831
02:59:09.719 --> 02:59:15.280
do they call it taking the piss? Uh? I don't know. It's

2832
02:59:15.280 --> 02:59:16.280
a weird in between. It's kind
of like what we were saying earlier.

2833
02:59:16.360 --> 02:59:20.120
That's right around the time that everything
got different. I don't know. But

2834
02:59:20.239 --> 02:59:24.360
what do we have names for generations
of video game fans? No? Not

2835
02:59:24.440 --> 02:59:26.520
really no. But the more I
think about it, like that you think

2836
02:59:26.520 --> 02:59:31.440
about like classic rock, and like
the idea that like there's like classic rock

2837
02:59:31.559 --> 02:59:35.559
is always classic rock, like you
could introduce like some classic rock stations play

2838
02:59:35.639 --> 02:59:39.479
Pearl Jam. I think that's fucking
just wrong, agreed, uh. And

2839
02:59:39.920 --> 02:59:45.959
And there's it just that there's a
second era of old rock music that has

2840
02:59:46.000 --> 02:59:48.079
to be broken out and played separately. Okay, satellite radio actually, so

2841
02:59:48.440 --> 02:59:52.760
like classical or classic rock is not
a category that you age into. It's

2842
02:59:52.799 --> 02:59:56.000
like a fixed period of time,
fixed period of time. Yeah, but

2843
02:59:56.040 --> 02:59:58.680
what happens to the people who grew
up with the Stones and Zeppelin or even

2844
02:59:58.760 --> 03:00:01.680
like the decade before, Like,
they probably wouldn't call that classic rock,

2845
03:00:01.799 --> 03:00:05.239
right, that's it's classic rock,
no matter what. Like it, it's

2846
03:00:05.360 --> 03:00:07.639
it's it doesn't matter. I guess
arguably that's kind of the formative era of

2847
03:00:07.760 --> 03:00:11.680
rock. Like, if you're building
as a radio station and your format is

2848
03:00:11.719 --> 03:00:13.600
classic rock, like that means something. Okay, I think I think you're

2849
03:00:13.600 --> 03:00:16.239
making a different argument than I thought, which is that classic rock has a

2850
03:00:16.879 --> 03:00:20.120
phrase or as a term, has
been defined in popular media for a very

2851
03:00:20.159 --> 03:00:26.600
long time. And also absolutely by
that. Satellite radio actually kind of handles

2852
03:00:26.639 --> 03:00:30.040
this by having two stations. They
have one that is like from the it's

2853
03:00:30.159 --> 03:00:33.000
it's It's classic Vinyl, which is
your classic rock station the way you imagine

2854
03:00:33.040 --> 03:00:39.159
it should be, and then there's
Classic rewind Okay, so tapes, so

2855
03:00:39.360 --> 03:00:41.799
okay, def Leppard Okay, you
know, like like you have that,

2856
03:00:41.920 --> 03:00:43.520
and it's like they'll kind of like, yeah, from the second general class

2857
03:00:43.680 --> 03:00:48.319
rock And I think that's like gaming
is getting into that. I think that

2858
03:00:48.360 --> 03:00:50.680
you could think of games in a
very similar way, except that it's a

2859
03:00:50.799 --> 03:00:56.479
very hard cut in the nineties between
like two D and three D, so

2860
03:00:56.600 --> 03:01:00.959
like retrop retro polygon y yeah,
okay, yeah, yeah, Like mid

2861
03:01:01.120 --> 03:01:03.639
nineties is kind of the inflection point
for me for sure. Yeah, I

2862
03:01:03.719 --> 03:01:09.000
think that that's you know, like
if you how much of how much of

2863
03:01:09.040 --> 03:01:11.639
that stuff you saw in its element, how much of that two D stuff

2864
03:01:11.639 --> 03:01:13.559
you saw when it was current,
versus how much of it do you view

2865
03:01:13.600 --> 03:01:16.520
as just like this is the old
shit, you know. I think that's

2866
03:01:16.559 --> 03:01:22.239
that's pretty formative. And yeah,
kind of like how much of that polygonal

2867
03:01:22.280 --> 03:01:24.399
shit you played then too, I
think as a factor as well. At

2868
03:01:24.440 --> 03:01:28.200
some point, I think everyone's gonna
have like their era that they look at.

2869
03:01:28.520 --> 03:01:35.399
There's a podcast somewhere on this website
of me talking to Paul Barnett about

2870
03:01:35.799 --> 03:01:39.719
this notion of a golden Golden age
and everyone having the games they played when

2871
03:01:39.760 --> 03:01:43.879
they were of a specific age,
the formative experiences that they played, and

2872
03:01:45.040 --> 03:01:46.639
that that mattering most of all to
them. You know, That's how you

2873
03:01:46.719 --> 03:01:50.440
end up with people that are like, you know, and and I guess,

2874
03:01:50.479 --> 03:01:52.000
like the question it becomes like does
that doesn't matter? Like you can

2875
03:01:52.040 --> 03:01:56.159
have people that say, like,
Halo is the greatest first person shooter ever

2876
03:01:56.239 --> 03:01:58.639
made and it's the most important one
ever, and I'll be like, that's

2877
03:01:58.079 --> 03:02:01.719
quaint, but no, and here's
what you know, Like there's you know,

2878
03:02:03.000 --> 03:02:03.920
there's Quake, there's Doom, there's
you know, you go all the

2879
03:02:03.920 --> 03:02:07.159
way back, let me tell you
about these other games. But at some

2880
03:02:07.239 --> 03:02:09.639
point, none of that fucking matters, because if they go back, they're

2881
03:02:09.639 --> 03:02:13.440
gonna be like, yeah, exactly, that's not it's not the thing they

2882
03:02:13.479 --> 03:02:16.840
grew up with. It's not and
they'll look at it and go like this

2883
03:02:16.000 --> 03:02:18.920
is old bullshit. Yeah you know, or you know, some of them

2884
03:02:18.920 --> 03:02:22.520
will get they weren't very sort of
appreciation for that stuff. This is all

2885
03:02:22.680 --> 03:02:28.159
in service of Halo, yes,
exactly. Uh, you know, it

2886
03:02:28.239 --> 03:02:31.000
all built up to this. I
would argue the Doom is still one of

2887
03:02:31.000 --> 03:02:33.719
the best first person cheers ever made. Yeah, yeah, you would,

2888
03:02:33.159 --> 03:02:35.799
Yeah, but I don't. I
don't want to play Doom anymore. I

2889
03:02:35.920 --> 03:02:41.000
do. I feel like I'm done
playing Doom. I want to play It's

2890
03:02:41.040 --> 03:02:43.200
been rereleased so many times, like
like I'll happily play E one M one

2891
03:02:43.319 --> 03:02:46.280
no matter what, like for the
rest of my life, I'll probably encounter

2892
03:02:46.479 --> 03:02:50.319
that thing every couple of years.
That was I don't know that was.

2893
03:02:50.760 --> 03:02:54.079
This is an outlier, but that
was the thing that doing getting all the

2894
03:02:54.120 --> 03:02:56.799
achievements in those XPLA rereleases of Doom
made me realize, it's like this fucking

2895
03:02:58.879 --> 03:03:01.319
still holds up as a challenging experience, like there's this is interesting. It's

2896
03:03:01.319 --> 03:03:05.639
a challenging experience for sure, but
it's like I although in that case it

2897
03:03:05.719 --> 03:03:07.319
was basically like, hey, I
never played this the real way, I'm

2898
03:03:07.360 --> 03:03:09.760
gonna do it now as opposed to
use in the cheek codes, but whatever,

2899
03:03:13.559 --> 03:03:16.280
I don't have a reverence for Doom
anymore or in a real in a

2900
03:03:16.360 --> 03:03:20.399
real like hands on sort of way, Like I've come to respect Doom for

2901
03:03:20.520 --> 03:03:24.840
what it did, and I very
much enjoyed it in its moment, But

2902
03:03:24.959 --> 03:03:28.159
I don't want to play Doom.
I don't want to get on on a

2903
03:03:28.200 --> 03:03:31.399
big tangent about that game. I
think it holds up extremely well, but

2904
03:03:31.639 --> 03:03:35.120
so as this, yeah, you
know, the formative experiences that you grew

2905
03:03:35.200 --> 03:03:37.719
up with are going to be very
close to your heart for reasons that are

2906
03:03:37.840 --> 03:03:39.600
kind of divorced from how good they
actually are, you know, which is

2907
03:03:39.680 --> 03:03:43.319
why I like, like I care
about Bemini Run and right. You know,

2908
03:03:43.479 --> 03:03:46.520
it's a bit terrible game. But
you know, this is kind of

2909
03:03:46.520 --> 03:03:48.360
like when I look at the fervor
around something like the Final Fantasy seven remake,

2910
03:03:48.959 --> 03:03:52.120
like it makes me wonder how much
of that is people actually wanting to

2911
03:03:52.159 --> 03:03:54.479
play that game again, and how
much they're just chasing the feeling they had

2912
03:03:54.520 --> 03:03:58.079
when they were a kids, like
same source stuff. And it's like at

2913
03:03:58.079 --> 03:04:01.719
a certain point, you well,
you know, like a big budget like

2914
03:04:01.799 --> 03:04:05.520
paint job on the thing isn't necessarily
going to recapture that, yeah, because

2915
03:04:05.559 --> 03:04:11.680
some of that stuff has just lost
a time. Yep. But what do

2916
03:04:11.760 --> 03:04:18.600
we know? Everything ask us anything? Okay, this podcast is still doing

2917
03:04:18.799 --> 03:04:24.639
ask us anything? Uh yeah,
so we are. That's where these emails

2918
03:04:24.680 --> 03:04:33.200
come from. How about one more
email? Last email? A man,

2919
03:04:33.520 --> 03:04:39.280
it's about hot peppers. Luca from
Chicago, A note on peppers. Tuning

2920
03:04:39.319 --> 03:04:43.200
into this week's bodcast, I couldn't
help but notice the talk of hot peppers

2921
03:04:43.280 --> 03:04:46.760
and new hot peppers every two to
three months. This was true for a

2922
03:04:46.879 --> 03:04:50.879
few years and has now calmed down. Are you are you a pepperficionado?

2923
03:04:50.959 --> 03:04:54.639
No, No, I'm just you
know, I'd figured at some point it's

2924
03:04:54.680 --> 03:04:58.600
just a call in response coming on
here. The Ghost Pepper and the boot

2925
03:04:58.680 --> 03:05:03.200
Jealo Kia are the same pepper,
and the current hottest pepper is known only

2926
03:05:03.319 --> 03:05:07.680
as the Carolina Reaper, made by
some dude in South Carolina, which is

2927
03:05:07.760 --> 03:05:09.840
a crossbreed of the Ghost Pepper and
a red hob and narrow. Can't just

2928
03:05:11.040 --> 03:05:16.079
make a vegetable, Apparently he's Apparently
there's some dude playing god in South Carolina

2929
03:05:16.840 --> 03:05:20.159
making demos are killing us all one
pepper at a time, I guess.

2930
03:05:20.159 --> 03:05:26.760
So apparently this Carolina Reaper is two
point two million scoville units reefer a Reaper

2931
03:05:26.879 --> 03:05:33.680
Reaper. Carolina Reaper two point two
million scoville units, making it two times

2932
03:05:33.760 --> 03:05:39.559
hotter than the Ghost Pepper. For
a period of time, there were a

2933
03:05:39.639 --> 03:05:43.760
bunch of peppers named stuff like H
thirteen QF tests that were technically a few

2934
03:05:43.879 --> 03:05:48.719
hundred or a thousand scovills hotter than
each other. But for now, the

2935
03:05:48.799 --> 03:05:52.959
Carolina Reaper is the hottest pepper whatever. This is soul just theoretical, right,

2936
03:05:54.079 --> 03:05:54.879
I guess, well, what do
you mean? At some point?

2937
03:05:56.040 --> 03:06:03.559
It's well, there is there is
There is a like a literal maximum to

2938
03:06:03.639 --> 03:06:07.440
this stuff, because you can buy
like crystallized pure capsaison, which is I

2939
03:06:07.559 --> 03:06:11.040
looked it up before this. I
want to say it's something like sixteen million

2940
03:06:11.079 --> 03:06:16.040
scovels. Apparently, put that in
your tongue and die. Apparently Apparently it

2941
03:06:16.159 --> 03:06:18.920
is like not are you making chili
for a battalion? Is that one all

2942
03:06:20.079 --> 03:06:22.639
good idea to put that stuff in
your mouth? Uh? Having eaten a

2943
03:06:22.680 --> 03:06:26.680
whole dried ghost pepper, I can
tell you right now it's not fun stuff.

2944
03:06:26.000 --> 03:06:28.959
I think of a shrapmil grenade going
off next to you. Technically all

2945
03:06:30.000 --> 03:06:31.959
of you hurts. I've had that
happen a lot, but certain parts hurt

2946
03:06:33.000 --> 03:06:35.559
more than others. Now, imagine
that in your mouth. My roommates and

2947
03:06:35.600 --> 03:06:39.200
I bought thirteen of them off of
Amazon for seven dollars and roped a bunch

2948
03:06:39.200 --> 03:06:43.319
of people into doing it. Half
of them ended up throwing up, including

2949
03:06:43.399 --> 03:06:46.639
myself. Cool. It's a funny
story now, but for the entire day

2950
03:06:46.680 --> 03:06:50.040
I was an agony with a weird
pain in my chest. In short,

2951
03:06:50.200 --> 03:06:56.280
practice safe Peppers. I mostly love
the idea of code name laboratory hot peppers.

2952
03:06:56.920 --> 03:07:01.360
That's pretty great, man. That's
a weird that's a weird thing.

2953
03:07:01.840 --> 03:07:05.319
I've never quite understood if you can
actually physically damage yourself with that stuff or

2954
03:07:05.360 --> 03:07:07.680
not. I don't know. I
don't know. Like I think you can

2955
03:07:07.719 --> 03:07:11.840
have a you can have a reaction. Yeah, I think you're right.

2956
03:07:11.920 --> 03:07:15.319
I think like it could maybe bring
on some kind of cardiac event or but

2957
03:07:15.440 --> 03:07:22.959
my understanding is that it's just reacting
with your nerves, right. That's yeah,

2958
03:07:22.959 --> 03:07:26.159
me too. It is not actually
hot, yes, it's just it's

2959
03:07:26.200 --> 03:07:28.000
a short cut to paint, right, exactly Like I'd never understood if like

2960
03:07:28.200 --> 03:07:31.000
something super hot could actually damage like
the tissue in your mouth, or if

2961
03:07:31.040 --> 03:07:33.280
it just makes it feel horrible and
then it goes away, you know,

2962
03:07:33.440 --> 03:07:37.120
I don't know. Yeah, I
imagine like he must. He may still

2963
03:07:37.159 --> 03:07:41.280
be able to taste and stuff after
eating that thing. Yeah I would,

2964
03:07:41.360 --> 03:07:45.200
I would. Oh yeah, like
it didn't burn the taste buds off or

2965
03:07:45.239 --> 03:07:48.559
something like that. One incident,
I should hope not right. Sense,

2966
03:07:48.959 --> 03:07:52.959
as he says, though, practice
safe packs, New York sour h one

2967
03:07:52.120 --> 03:07:56.399
thirteen. Also, how the fuck
did I go until last week saying hop

2968
03:07:56.559 --> 03:08:00.959
and Yarrow? In my whole life? It is, in fact Hobb and

2969
03:08:01.079 --> 03:08:05.680
Arrow. Really, there's no there. I've seen yas. Yeah, Like

2970
03:08:05.760 --> 03:08:09.879
it's apparently a super common error.
It's so common that every time I saw

2971
03:08:09.959 --> 03:08:13.959
Hobb and Arrow, I assumed that
that was the error. I guess,

2972
03:08:13.239 --> 03:08:18.040
well, Lapino, Yes, excuse
yes, I think it's yes, something

2973
03:08:18.120 --> 03:08:22.120
like that BombCast a giant bomb dot
com. I'm Drew Scanlon, Yes,

2974
03:08:22.239 --> 03:08:30.319
scan L, and that's where emails
go. Podcast gambo, let's send this

2975
03:08:30.360 --> 03:08:33.719
podcast. Okay, it's been a
long one. I don't want to eat

2976
03:08:33.760 --> 03:08:35.680
I don't want to eat a ghost
pepper. No, no, what was

2977
03:08:35.760 --> 03:08:39.319
your brand was? It was a
Hobban Arrow. It was relatively light,

2978
03:08:41.159 --> 03:08:45.200
and it was not It did not
kill me. It's not fun though,

2979
03:08:45.239 --> 03:08:46.840
but yeah, was like, hey, this is a good time. That's

2980
03:08:46.879 --> 03:08:50.799
the worst I've eaten in pepper turn. It was more like, oh,

2981
03:08:50.879 --> 03:08:52.600
maybe this would be a dumb thing
to do on camera. Yeah, again,

2982
03:08:54.079 --> 03:08:56.680
it's not Please don't send us anything. My understanding is the ghost pepper

2983
03:08:56.840 --> 03:09:01.719
or the chia is way worse than
that now. Apparently this Carolina Reaper is

2984
03:09:01.040 --> 03:09:05.079
fucking no thank you, no thank
you. I want to say Habanaro is

2985
03:09:05.159 --> 03:09:09.879
like several hundred thousand scobles. I
might be wrong. I don't think it

2986
03:09:09.000 --> 03:09:13.479
hits a million, and this reaper
is two point two million. So do

2987
03:09:13.639 --> 03:09:20.680
the math. We're a dolt to
yourself, all right, that's what they

2988
03:09:20.719 --> 03:09:24.280
call me. Yeah. Uh so
that met of your stuff is next week,

2989
03:09:24.360 --> 03:09:28.360
not this week? Correct? Yeah? Next week? Yeah, next

2990
03:09:28.399 --> 03:09:31.319
week. There's some stuff happening on
the website though, Yes, old game

2991
03:09:31.360 --> 03:09:37.440
show on Wednesday, Yes, Bradbourne, Yes, beginning back to blood shortly

2992
03:09:37.479 --> 03:09:41.120
after this goes up? Are you
sure that's gonna happen? Like what the

2993
03:09:41.159 --> 03:09:45.360
podcast and stuff? I think it'll
be an easy one this week. Okay,

2994
03:09:46.639 --> 03:09:48.840
got the disc in my bag?
All right, we're gonna the upcoming

2995
03:09:50.000 --> 03:09:54.639
save is in the cloud. See
no impediment to this happening, all right?

2996
03:09:54.040 --> 03:09:58.559
Uh, small stuff will happen.
I don't know what. Yes,

2997
03:09:58.840 --> 03:10:01.719
y work will do some stuff.
They're done, some stuff, all right.

2998
03:10:01.879 --> 03:10:07.719
Content, it's coming to a website
near you. A lot of websites,

2999
03:10:07.799 --> 03:10:09.639
well, yes, but you should
only go to giant Bond dot com.

3000
03:10:09.879 --> 03:10:13.920
Yes, all you need forget all
those other websites I already have.

3001
03:10:15.239 --> 03:10:22.680
Okay, good who dot? What
does that even mean? Yeah? Who's

3002
03:10:22.680 --> 03:10:26.799
serious? That's all I think of
when you I'm very serious when I hear

3003
03:10:26.000 --> 03:10:31.520
when I got who serious bought Tumbler? What he's the CEO? Dell?

3004
03:10:31.840 --> 03:10:35.840
I guess it's gonna turn that plays
around. Uh, this is more porn

3005
03:10:35.959 --> 03:10:39.159
weirdly enough, Yep, it's the
only thing that'll save it all right.

3006
03:10:39.600 --> 03:10:43.479
This has been another addition of the
Giant Bodcast. Stay tuned. Come back

3007
03:10:43.520 --> 03:10:45.079
next week There will be another one.