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Hey, it's Bob Pickett. We
are on our way to the legendary Broken

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Spoke. Come on, let's get
out the truck and head inside. Come

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on, let's go and side get
ready for another tale from the Broken Spoke.

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Well, I hope you enjoyed party
one. Now let's get back to

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the conversation. Monty and I are
talking to John Arthur Martinez. It's Tales

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the Broken Spoke and nobody you brought
up you know Kent's name. We really

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have not paid proper homage the Kent
at all, and we need to plan

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a future podcast when we do that, you know, because he influenced so

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many people, and I mean just
the greatest friend a songwriter, yeah,

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ever had. And it's it's great
that that Randy Rogers is carrying on the

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tradition we cheat him right now.
You probably have noticed you ever see Parker

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McCollum usually on TV. Occasionally he
will wear a cheat him street hat,

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which is it's nice and everything.
Let's get back to you though, because

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the Pride of Marble falls class in
nineteen seventy nine, Yes, the champion

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disco dancer. So eighty six you're
playing down at Headliner's East and that's where

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MONI saw you for the first time. Right, what was that? Wasn't

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just your day job? You had
other jobs of sides picking around here,

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didn't you. Well, there was
a period where I was as kind of

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off the grid is a good way
of putting it. You know. I

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had friends who let me stay at
their places. I didn't have a home

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like I have now with my lovely
wife, right, celebrating twenty five years

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this year of marriage. So I
didn't have a home like that then.

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I sometimes default it might be my
folks couch, you know, it might

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be for a while there it was
my buddy's couch, or behind sleeping back

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behind the couch because he wanted me
sleeping on the couch behind the couch in

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Tucson, Arizona. For a couple
of years. Uh, left Texas,

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went to Tucson. I was there
thinking I was going to get a graduate

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degree. But all I did was
write songs and play gigs. Hey,

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that is a graduate degree, man, Now, let me tell you.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, you
were a Rhodes scholar. You didn't know

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it back then. Yeah, on
the road and well, because I like

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and I knew because John Arthur and
I we've we've written together. We've been

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blessed to write a top forty record
together on on his record. Great just

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did a great, great record.
I just played it if I didn't care.

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I played that on Saturday, and
Dad gummed if I didn't start weeping

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when I hadn't played it in a
while. Man, such a such a

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strong team. We wrote this amazing
cat Tommy Connors. But uh, you

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were you were? I mean,
were you really caught lightning in a bottle?

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Was on the Is it the first
the first season of Nashville Star?

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Yes, it was season one?
And what was that two thousand and two?

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Two two thousand and two or three? And they had their big nationwide

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cattle call. Now where did they
have that? Someplace very close by We're

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sitting at the Willie Booth. It
was about seventy five yards to the east

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on that stage. Spoke yes,
and it was uh Tracy Gershawan who was

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at She was at CBS, then
Sony she was then you know, and

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uh and Charlie Robinson was there.
But now Tracy and Charlie that was all

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this part of this thing of uh
uh to Winnow it downs from like what

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was it like from twenty to five
or something or something like that. They

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had they had thousands originally they uh
and and what Tracy did was she hired

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all all throughout the country. She
she hired these different people that had been

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in major label an rs to go
through literally about one hundred cassettes and and

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there were cassette tapes, not even
CDs. And Tracy hired uh one former

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major label an R person in Austin
to go through about seventy five cassettes,

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and that was Brandy. And she
said, do you know this guy,

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John Arthur Martinez, you know,
and I'm just gonna quote it because it's

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a possiz were married, of course, you know, yeah, we already

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married. We've been married four years, three or four years. And she

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just no, she hadn't even started
her publishing company. She had she was

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she was managing Perdinais and Arland for
Willie and she hadn't even started Moonkiss and

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Tracy hired her to go through these
cassettes. And Brandy just went, I

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mean, you know, these are
some of these are good. I mean

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they're good. You know, It's
like but it was going to be a

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nationwide you know, like a like
an American idol for country music, you

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know, Nashville Star. It was
going to be a huge deal. And

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Brandy was like, man, this
was good. And she had like a

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good pile and then she like it. Then she had like a I mean,

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none of them were like bad bad. They were good enough to have

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sent it in, but they weren't
like ready to have hit records, you

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know. And and she had this
good pile. And then, uh,

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after she's gone through like I don't
know forty of them or something, she

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came across John Arthur's and she went
out, I got one cassette for this

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pile. She goes, it's Brandy. And if you know Brandy this,

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I'm just gonna She goes, it's
a podcast. She goes, this guy's

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fucking great. I just well,
well let me hear it. You know.

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Immediately I was like, well,
let's me just see about that.

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And it was amazing, and you
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Brandy's pile, there was the what
she submitted to Tracy was John Arthur

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and Miranda and the pretty Good here
the same season as Miranda. Yeah,

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oh yeah, that girl was on
that show too. Yeah, it was

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here yeah, and Miranda didn't even
make it. She was number I think

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she came in third, she came
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but I mean and the person who
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Buddy, yeah, and John Arthur
was second. Yeah. Well here's

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the great Yeah, yes, that's
that's what happened. Here's the crazy thing.

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Miranda lost in Dallas, and so
she came to Austin hoping that she

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would get another, uh opportunity to
to succeed. Wait a minute, wait

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a minute. She went to Houston. She went to Houston. She went

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to Houston to make to see if
she could get because from from Austin.

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Prentice Varning out of Uvaldi was also
on the show. And a girl named

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Kristin Kissling who could put herself in
the pretzel and that was that appealed to

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the producers for television the radio show. But so there were four of us

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from Texas, those three Kristin Kissling, Kristin Pretzel Kissling, uh, Brenie

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Varning from Uvalde. And he he
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was very good. And he was
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fantastic. Yes, and he's also
the one that won the local competition.

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I came in second at the local
competition. And then there was of course

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Miranda as well. So there were
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made it. Who were the judges
besides Charley Tracy Gershom No, but went

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they had actual judge judges on the
show, didn't they? But I think

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Tracy Robert Orman okay, yeah,
and he's a brilliant I mean that man

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loves country mu oh, he knows
music. Yeah, and he loves it

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too, you know. So yeah, that was a fun show to watch.

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It's great show. And I remember
like the spoke was packed, and

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I mean and I remember like,
remember I remember Tracy talking about Miranda even

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then she goes, she's a star. I don't know if she's remember she

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said, I don't think she's ready, but she's a star, because you

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know, Tracy. And then John
Arthur, I mean, man, you

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know, because you're so sweet and
humble. Let me just let me just

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say what you're not gonna say.
He killed, he brought the place down.

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You just you're just a great set. Just one of those times where

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it's just everything came together. It
is just the right amount of people.

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They just had enough beer in them. And and John Arthur just you know,

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and and Charlie, Charlie Robinson.
He went, do you know this

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guy? I said, I know
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Brandy loved his cassette and he goes, he's amazing, you know. And

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Charlie talked to you that night,
right, yeah, Charlie, my wife

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said, we got After I performed, I said, I've got to go.

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I got my wife's got to get
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Marble Falls. He's a barber stylist. And I said, we got to

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go. So I left, and
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My wife said, was half an
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He was trying to convince me because
I still wasn't completely convinced that this was

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something I should do. I just
released an independent album and was starting to

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get some independent Texas airplay, and
I thought, you know, I'm starting

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to make a living, and maybe
I don't want to demean what I'm doing,

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but I will say this Nashville Star
was not uh. They were glorifying

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the songwriter and not demeaning any part
of the artist. It was very pro

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artist, very very well done,
a lot of integrity in that show,

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and you know later on it it
didn't because of Tracy. Because of Tracy

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Yeah, well, I mean,
Tracy just loves loves a songwriter. She

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has always and she still does love
the songwriter. She's best friends with Emmy

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Lou Harris. That gives you an
idea what kind of person she is.

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And she's married to Steve Fischel,
the great steel player, great record producer

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that you know. She's got a
great show on XM by the way too,

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which listen to all the time.
Yeah, that's the way we reconnected.

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She you know, and she's just
always about uh, introducing great art.

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Well, she's got a great ear. Yeah, she's got a great

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ear. I just remember being upset
that Buddy Jewel one that season because,

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like you said, there was so
much talent, especially you, and we

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were rooting for you being the hometown
person. You know, nothing against Miranda,

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she's East Texas. But but and
it's but I just remember we're upset

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the Buddy Jewel won. And Buddy
Buddy's a great performer, great singer,

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but his career didn't turn out like
everybody thought it was going to turn out

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well, you know, and ought
to say this because he's a great singer

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and there's no butt that comes with
that. I just I was very familiar

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with his voice, like Buddy,
uh, it's got a beautiful voice.

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Well, and he he sung on
probably a half dozen of demos. He

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was a demo singer there in Nashville, and he was like the guy like

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when I was first came to town. Uh, Tricia Yearwould and Kathy Matteo

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were the two chick singers you hired
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Jewel was the dude. You know, he was a country singer. But

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I felt though Garth Fund just made
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Thund is a great producer there.
There just wasn't I felt Clint Black Yeah

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right, that's right. Uh.
I didn't think there was any magic on

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that Buddy. No, it was
bland. Yeah, yeah, I'll that

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you say that now. It was
it was. And I can say that

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as a radio programmer because and it
but but yeah, I mean he had

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talent, but just it just the
talent that he had did not come across

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the record. Well to me,
it just sounded like what you wanted in

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a great demo singer. He sold
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not the song you It wasn't a
star. Yeah, it wasn't a star

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and you star y ain't. Yeah. Well, man, what a great

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show that was. I forgot about
that show and then when it moved over

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to the other network, it just
didn't do anything at all. That was

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a fun show to watch. Yeah. Well, I also think that they

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they they brought in. The show
was so successful, you know, like

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anything else in show business changed,
This is so successful. Why I changed

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again? Why change something was working? What did you learn though by being

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on that show? Did it help
you as a songwriter? Well? Everything,

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It helped everything, because there's nothing
like television. I make a living

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because I was on national television.
Not just national television. The show was

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rebroadcast country Music channel in Australia,
Sweden, Canada. Became an international star

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because of it. I got fan
mail from South Africa and Japan and and

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I'm able to go to Europe and
there's still requesting songs that I just did

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my fifteenth tour of Europe in May
and June, Switzerland, Germany, Austria,

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Spain and France, and people come
up MANI and I'm here. I

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am in Dresden outside you know what
used to be East German, East Germany,

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and some guy comes up and he
wants to buy these. He picks

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out like six or seven CDs.
I was trying to tell him, well,

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you could buy my my thumb drive, you know, for eighty euros

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and you're you're spending ninety on the
CDs. And he was trying to explain

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to me why he was doing that, and I just thought maybe he likes

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CDs, he prefers CDs. So
he comes back the next day and he

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has it written and translated. He
said, I already have this, this,

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this, this, and he named
the titles already had. I don't

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have these. That's why I want
the CD and I want you to sign.

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So you know, it's crazy because
there there's East German what used to

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be East Germany, and here's a
guy that has seven of my CDs already.

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That's cool, you'll bring it's worldwide. Just well, that's the whole

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thing is like. And you got
to remember, like, particularly in the

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European market and the Asian market,
that these Nashville Star was two, three,

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four, sometimes even five years later, and there's no such thing as

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an old song or an old TV
show if it hadn't been on before.

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And we were doing something and uh, I think it was I think it

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was Sweden. Now it might have
been, might have been uh Amsterdam,

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might have been in Holland. But
and we look up and we're driving on

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the way to the club and it's
just me and the guys. It's you

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know, it's kind of a we
do country, but it's kind of a

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rocking thing, you know. And
we look up there's a damn John Arthur

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Martinez billboard and he said dutta dutta
du in Dutch Nashville Star and you go,

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wow, damn right, it is
nice when nice happens to nice.

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And this was like in five or
six. This was a few years after

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the show that was not to those
people that was Floralia the Netherlands. You're

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talking, yeah, yeah, it
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that Stephanie Orbina Jones and I and
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to give my wife credit, my
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My wife and I had the song
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helped me finish at the River of
Love. It was. It was on

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all of these plates. You know, of course, they don't have radio

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the way we do. You know, Swiss radio has specialty programs right but

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back the way radio used to be
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programs playing the River of Love,
and it's charting in France and Switzerland and

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the Netherlands and number one in Malta, the only number one I've ever had,

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number one in Malta, and so
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incredible so that people would hear the
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with the song Doom, Doom,
Doom, and immediately they'd all it was

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familiar. They'd all get on the
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I remember Stephanie was on the show
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she make that? I remember I
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Star. Yeah, she auditioned for
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the out at the old Roper's nightclub. I remember what year it was.

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but I don't think she did.
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audition that she was parting her big
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big old hit wreck. So cool. So when people you know, you

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just work at it a long time
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what you've always done, and all
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you had that test injury years ago? And by the way, he's got

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the only website I know that you. It has a little page that says

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tennis that you can click off.
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do you? I did? Once
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night, we saw some kids playing
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player went up to Donnie Dog Price. I don't know if you know Donnie

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Price. I don't think so,
Donnie goes, I bet you, I

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bet your my buddy can beat you
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and so he and so they they
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beat him in my boots. And
but anytime something sixties now you can still

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do that. That's great. This
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he looks like he graduated maybe twenty
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guys living the good life. I
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of small town living. Is at
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in and play on their courts,
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their experience here. And it's they
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what they have Rolan garrows. And
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and I've played on you know,
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clay. It's got to be fantastic. Yeah, it's easier on your knees.

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He's on your everything. And but
the reason that I did that was

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you remember you heard about that pandemic
that came around, right, think Someway.

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uh, my wife said, ah, g b's hiring. They're paying twenty

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two an hour to go be a
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I got other skills. So I
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there, and I played, as
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clinics at Horseshoe Bay and I and
we used to teach a tennis camp at

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mary Hart and Baylor, and so
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you can't go home? That's beautiful. That's a great team. You

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know that. That's so cool.
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couple of the clients even though I'm
busy making music. Again, we about

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guitar lessons. Man, you'd be
great as a guitar teacher too, Yeah,

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but it's all intuitive. My guitar
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you know. Yeah, And it's
harder to convey that I can show

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them, you know, what I
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for instance, my family members,
and I'll ask them what song they

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really want to learn, and I'll
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And I said, what that those
chords that you just did, well,

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now you can also play blue Eyes
Crying in the Rain. You can also

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play jumbalayah. You can you know
you you know, so you teach him

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a few chords, and you have
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here today I'm listening to one of
your early albums, and I learned how

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to sing Ameralo by Morning in Spanish. Wow, a little bit, a

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little bit, man, What a
beautiful What a beautiful version of that song.

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Such a great language, that version
beautiful. Yeah, that version.

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My percussionist Luis is from Brazil.
He said, they played my version in

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Real Degeneiro and played everywhere. They
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on the accordion. So I told
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I said, Matt, we can't
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know? So I said, we
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Spanish guitar and accordian and uh,
and I said accordion should be the leading.

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He was a little more cautious because
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we'll have Brent Mason do the Spanish
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verse will Adjoelghuzman. I wish it
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is the way it goes from that
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itself to that's a very Spanish movement. You notice I changed, I changed

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the arrangement, and I didn't go
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tag at the end, I didn't
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wants to go to, don you
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I put a pause in and at
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so and so I started playing.
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am You know, my voice is
really tired after after tennis, no no,

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uh, Me and Blakeley and Greenberg
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we stayed up three or four every
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anyway, that's John Randall doing those
beautiful hearts. John Randall, Yes,

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such a great He's a great guy. He's working a lot with Parker McCollum

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now, which I think he's helping
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you first heard that song, did
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you hear the original version of Amilo? That morning? Well, we played

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on case. We played the original
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for a few shows in the you
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acknowledging Terry Stafford as the one who
who co wrote this was I forget the

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other co writer? Was it Foster? But uh? Staff Terry Stafford acknowledges

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that it was his idea and his
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he acknowledged that it was the other
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Well, your version is beautiful,
beautiful, beautiful. Our listeners haven't

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heard remember which one was the first
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you grew up around this area,
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we played the you know, Terry's
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early version. Yeah that's Terry Stafford
and Paul Fraser Fraser Okay, okay Foster,

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I said, Fraser, that's okay, Alexander Fraser. Yeah, what

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was by Terry Stafford? Music and
Cotillon. Well, he's doing quite well,

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doing quite well with that. You
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people about, you know, because
people think if you've written some you know,

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a couple of big hits like your
set, and that's not really the

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case, particularly since we were talking
about you know, royalties, you know,

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being decimated. But I always tell
people it's like when you when you

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have a number one record, here's
the here's the cycle of royalties. It's

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number one, get a nice new
house, and then the second round you

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get nice new things for your new
house. And then the third round,

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like you get nice groceries for your
house. Starting down, the fourth round

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is can I come stay at your
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I never had any of those levels
of success, So you have money.

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I'm always I've always admired your success
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a performer too, because I'm nice
to see the wagoneers here. Even before

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I knew you, I can tell
you I'm a dancer, and so we'd

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come dancing here all the time.
And but getting back to royalties, I

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did have something that was just absolutely
freakish. You were talking about Cameron Randall,

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Well, Cameron Randall and all those
guys. They they decided we're going

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to do a record on Flocco and
make him a household name like he deserves

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to be. Yeah, And so
they did this record and they took a

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song that I had co written with
Mike Blakeley and my and then Alex Harvey

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helped us finish it on his birthday
in Nashville, and Alex loved the song.

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It was just quirk, a quirky
two chord song called said gurrokay hell

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Yes, and my truck driver Buddy
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so I thought it'd make a good
little hook. And Alex sang it a

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cappella to Halverson. Bill Halverson the
producer of Flocco's record for Arista, and

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Halverson says, I love it,
I want to use it for Flocco,

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and so he put it on Flocco's
record and the album wind up winning a

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Grammy. So it's just really incredible
to be, you know, to get

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a Contributing Songwriter award from from NARISTI. And also that thing was cool.

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But I mean, hell Yes was
a was a big record, especially in

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places like Europe and other places where
Flacco has more of a cult status.

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But but uh, Floco never liked
it that much because they changed what I

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gave them too much. They turned
they made it a little too New York

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Latino commercialized. And but there was
another guy on Arista. I don't know

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if you remember, a guy named
Alan Jackson heard of that guy. So

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Alan heard that version and put it
on his uh, his compilation record that

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he did with Walmart, the exclusive
record that he did with Walmart. It's

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a bonus track, Alan singing uh
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that Flacco did, but but different
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it row Rowe with his Southern accent. Well, and it was just a

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great you know, because I didn't
hear what what you and uh Blakely and

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Alex Harvey Road. I just heard
the record. It was just you know,

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because you know what was in your
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it. I only heard the record
records amazing. I mean, it's just

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amazing. And I've never heard the
Jackson you know, and we his engineer,

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John Shelton is John Kelton is a
good family friend. But all have

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to listen to that. But man, versions amazing. Well Floko did.

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They did a great job. But
Flocco didn't actually sing the lead. Raul

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Malos sang the lead and Flokos sang
the harmony on that and Parnell played the

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slot. Leroy and Radney Foster did
the harmony as well. So it's a

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pretty good collaborative. That was a
great album though. I remember that album

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came out. They had an album
released party which was held in East Austin,

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and they renamed this restaurant Flaccos Tacos
the big thing, right, and

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it was, man, it was. It was fun, you see.

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tell you a floko run well yeah,

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well and just such a and just
a thing about you know, Flokos.

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He's just such an amazing human being, just a great cat, you know.

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And he does not suffered fools,
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no, just a wonderful, wonderful
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I mean we we might have to
do a two parter with you, you

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know, because you've had you've had
hit records, and you and I have

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been blessed to write a hit record
together, Top forty record together. Oh

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that record we forgot to mention,
well, Miranda, Miranda sang the harmony

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on that record. I didn't care. Yeah yeah, song that John Arthur

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wrote about being a stepdaddy to his
to his step dog. How did this

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happen? Just because you still are
you still in touch with Randa? This

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is from your friendship just a few
years ago. Well, in those in

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those This was probably seven or eight
phone numbers ago with Miranda. I called

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her up when you know we were
friends. That's why she's not returning.

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Wait a minute, yeah, So
I called her up and said, Miranda,

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I've written a song for my daughters. And I don't call them step

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daughters, of course, call daughters. And and I said, I think

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your harmony would be perfect because she's
sang harmony. Uh in the Nashville Star

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House. We were always singing harmonies
together. She loves singing harmony. She's

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a great harmony singer. So she
said I'd love to and she came in

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and and of course then we had
to apologize later for not following the protocol

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because she's big sony artists and duel
tone. But but they chastised this and

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let us release it anyway. That's
true. It's fantastic. I mean,

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I remember it is like you know, I'll tell you a great story about

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that, about that single uh is
uh I had. It's been a lot

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of part of my career as a
songwriter on the right hand side of the

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chart, which is like from fifty
to one hundred, you know, And

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I had spent very little time on
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which is from forty nine to one. And this is the true story.

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So we you know, we got
we took Billboard back then and it was

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going for ads. You know,
it's John Arthur, you know, and

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so you know, I just said, well, you know, and then

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they said, well, no,
we had a good first week, and

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I was like, okay, you
know, I don't I don't know what

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that means. But so I'm just
looking on the charts where the wagoneers and

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I would reside on the right hand
side of the charts. I'm looking at

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from one hundred up to fifty and
can't find it. Couldn't I couldn't find

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00:28:14.799 --> 00:28:17.680
it. Well, you know,
maybe next week there'll be enough. And

408
00:28:17.680 --> 00:28:21.079
Brandy goes, you've done, son
of a Bitch. It entered at thirty

409
00:28:21.119 --> 00:28:26.200
seven on the left hand side of
the chart. Yes, that's so cool.

410
00:28:26.480 --> 00:28:30.960
The Hotshot debut is so great.
It's like, well, fixing to

411
00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:33.240
have us a little hit record.
Yeah, well, of course we found

412
00:28:33.240 --> 00:28:36.759
out that you now have Miranda's current
number. My Miranda story and this is

413
00:28:36.799 --> 00:28:41.960
about the same time you guys did
Nashville star Austin Clemon's music festival just started

414
00:28:41.039 --> 00:28:45.119
right, So I even forget who's
on stage, but I turn around and

415
00:28:45.160 --> 00:28:51.880
Miranda is behind me with a notebook
and she's watching this person on stage and

416
00:28:51.960 --> 00:28:55.799
she's taking notes. And of course
nobody knew who Miranda was back then,

417
00:28:56.079 --> 00:29:00.720
but she's studying the craft whoever it
was on stage, and I thought,

418
00:29:00.799 --> 00:29:03.240
you know that is and for some
reason, that's just remarkable. You never

419
00:29:03.240 --> 00:29:07.480
see them. She was study,
she's paying attention to the songs. She

420
00:29:07.119 --> 00:29:11.279
was driven, and it looks like
a star, you know. And we

421
00:29:11.319 --> 00:29:17.160
all knew early on that she was
going to be successful. And Sony knew.

422
00:29:17.319 --> 00:29:22.880
Sony, much to Buddy's chagrin,
Sony was always focusing on Miranda.

423
00:29:23.200 --> 00:29:29.880
Really yeah, and we knew it. And I was forty years old on

424
00:29:29.920 --> 00:29:34.799
that show, so that I just
knew that. I thought, every opportunity

425
00:29:34.839 --> 00:29:37.279
I have, I'm going to sing
one of my songs, and you know

426
00:29:37.359 --> 00:29:41.400
that's what I did. Now,
when we did the compilation album, they

427
00:29:41.400 --> 00:29:42.279
wouldn't let me sing a song.
I said, well, I thought this

428
00:29:42.400 --> 00:29:47.880
was about finding the next singer songwriter
in you know, this is the next

429
00:29:47.960 --> 00:29:49.720
Nashville star who who writes his own
songs. And they said, well,

430
00:29:49.799 --> 00:29:52.640
yes, it is and you know
what they said. They said, well,

431
00:29:52.640 --> 00:29:56.480
some of y'all are better songwriters than
others, so it'd be an unfair

432
00:29:56.519 --> 00:30:00.559
advantage. What that's what they said. Come on, well, that's what

433
00:30:00.599 --> 00:30:03.000
they said. And so they said, everybody knows show business is based on

434
00:30:03.119 --> 00:30:07.680
fairness. Yes, so no,
no, here's the real reason they want

435
00:30:07.759 --> 00:30:10.720
us to pick a song from the
Sony catalog. Exactly, yeah, exactly.

436
00:30:10.759 --> 00:30:12.920
That's inepotism. Yeah, yeah,
yes, that was the real reason.

437
00:30:14.319 --> 00:30:17.599
Well you know it ain't show friends, it's show business. Yeah.

438
00:30:17.640 --> 00:30:21.079
Wow. So I picked when you
say nothing at All? And I sang

439
00:30:21.119 --> 00:30:25.759
the second verse in Spanish and the
second chorus in Spanish, and it also

440
00:30:25.839 --> 00:30:29.559
charted for me with no promotion.
Right, yeah, but that's a I

441
00:30:29.559 --> 00:30:33.960
didn't know that was off the compilation. That's a really great record. That's

442
00:30:33.000 --> 00:30:36.480
a great record. It's a great
song. I can hear you singing it

443
00:30:36.559 --> 00:30:38.119
now. Yeah. No, that's
fantastic, man. So anyway, can

444
00:30:38.160 --> 00:30:41.839
you go back and watch the old
episodes of the show. I mean,

445
00:30:41.119 --> 00:30:45.799
it'd be great to rediscovery those old
episodes. Again, I haven't done that

446
00:30:45.839 --> 00:30:48.599
in a while, but I wonder
if somebody licensed that show, that'd be

447
00:30:48.880 --> 00:30:52.200
fantastic. Great. Yeah, it'd
be great just to see everything again.

448
00:30:53.359 --> 00:30:59.039
Yeah. So October twentieth and twenty. First, you've got the uh,

449
00:31:00.319 --> 00:31:03.079
the Lone Star Jam. What is
it called Fiesta Jam? Yes, the

450
00:31:03.119 --> 00:31:07.880
Jam on Lake the official my five
O one C three benefits youth magic education

451
00:31:08.279 --> 00:31:14.119
in my community. And so I
wanted to brand our event is Fiesta Jam

452
00:31:14.160 --> 00:31:17.640
on Lake Marble Falls. Uh,
And so that's what we officially are called,

453
00:31:17.720 --> 00:31:21.599
Fiesta Jam on Lake Marble Falls.
And it is October twentieth. With

454
00:31:21.640 --> 00:31:27.400
the songwriters Monty Warden, Pauline Rees, Bernie Nelson, Hellyanna Finley, my

455
00:31:27.480 --> 00:31:33.359
buddies, John Murray Greenberg, Mike
Blakeley and myself. We perform as the

456
00:31:33.400 --> 00:31:37.519
out Law Firm Law Firm because our
names sound like a law firm and Green

457
00:31:38.039 --> 00:31:41.240
Blakeley, Blakelee, Greenberg, Martinez. So we decided, you know,

458
00:31:41.279 --> 00:31:45.240
we're so we call ourselves. So
we're going to release a new record at

459
00:31:45.240 --> 00:31:48.559
the same time, at hopefully my
first vinyl record. I know you have

460
00:31:51.720 --> 00:31:55.559
them fantastic, You're gonna love it. And have you have you have you

461
00:31:55.599 --> 00:31:59.039
had a pressing? Have you had
your press No, we we're just now

462
00:31:59.079 --> 00:32:02.960
in the final of finishing all the
overdubs right now. You will never k

463
00:32:02.960 --> 00:32:07.240
not do vinyl once you've done it. Yes, that sound. The reason

464
00:32:07.319 --> 00:32:10.480
I brought these up here was I'm
going to give these to you. But

465
00:32:10.480 --> 00:32:15.079
but my biggest success story has been
this is my newest album. It's been

466
00:32:15.119 --> 00:32:22.880
when I started putting my all of
my records on a flash drive, and

467
00:32:22.559 --> 00:32:24.839
I am, I've got a reorder. I've got six of these left.

468
00:32:27.400 --> 00:32:32.359
We brought that. We brought John
Wood John Colley of his concert a couple

469
00:32:32.359 --> 00:32:36.359
of weeks ago, had that.
I've never seen an artist put his music

470
00:32:36.400 --> 00:32:38.319
on. I thought, this is
the neatest thing. This is keeping.

471
00:32:38.519 --> 00:32:43.400
So you've got this, and how
many songs do you limit to the flash

472
00:32:43.480 --> 00:32:45.880
drive? Because that's the question.
I have fifteen albums that I've put on

473
00:32:45.920 --> 00:32:49.200
there, all fifteen. This is
my lifetime's work, my life work.

474
00:32:49.440 --> 00:32:52.839
Man. How did you do that? Did did you do you work at

475
00:32:52.960 --> 00:32:57.640
NASA? That's sounds incredible to me. Well, most of them are self

476
00:32:57.680 --> 00:33:01.319
produced. They were there were uh
two of them had significant budgets. The

477
00:33:01.400 --> 00:33:07.039
dual Tone release with Sony backing and
then the uh pregatory road release that I

478
00:33:07.079 --> 00:33:10.839
did. That you you played my
version of Waltz when you can't out drink

479
00:33:10.880 --> 00:33:16.200
the truth? Right? Uh but
but yeah, so and so I go

480
00:33:16.400 --> 00:33:20.680
and I put it out there.
I said, friends, fans, what

481
00:33:20.920 --> 00:33:23.880
is this worth? This is my
life's work and I have fifteen albums.

482
00:33:24.160 --> 00:33:27.920
You know what should I charge for
this? You know? Forty bucks?

483
00:33:28.160 --> 00:33:30.880
Fifty bucks? Everybody agreed, one
hundred bucks? Yes, right, So

484
00:33:30.880 --> 00:33:35.079
it's good and right and that's cheap
though, and I'm on and I'm on

485
00:33:35.160 --> 00:33:37.400
my reorder. But I also put
some videos when I'm in Europe, and

486
00:33:37.400 --> 00:33:42.240
all the lyric booklets, and how
do they do? Like like, is

487
00:33:42.279 --> 00:33:45.279
it like a pressing plant that does
it? I let disc makers do it?

488
00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:47.240
Disc makers does it? Wow?
I did try. I did try

489
00:33:47.279 --> 00:33:51.599
a cheaper company and I'm not going
to say their name, but it wouldn't

490
00:33:51.599 --> 00:33:53.039
play in people's cars. And I
said, listen, and disc makers is

491
00:33:53.079 --> 00:33:57.200
correat and I love disc makers.
Yeah they done a great job. Yeah,

492
00:33:57.200 --> 00:33:59.240
okay, give me your I know
your website and I'm let you say

493
00:33:59.279 --> 00:34:02.359
in your own words. John Arthur
Martinez dot net. Just remember that I'm

494
00:34:02.400 --> 00:34:08.440
a tennis player dot net. That's
brilliant net dot net John Arthur Martinez dot

495
00:34:08.519 --> 00:34:14.480
net. I just I just spent
over two hundred dollars buying Monty Warden dot

496
00:34:14.519 --> 00:34:20.280
com from somebody in Europe. Somebody
held on to that, you know,

497
00:34:20.320 --> 00:34:24.360
somebody went and just waiting for you. And so we've got the Wagoneers dot

498
00:34:24.400 --> 00:34:27.840
com, we got Dangers Sheet dot
com. We're gonna put everything under just

499
00:34:27.880 --> 00:34:30.400
my name. You know, nobody
knows who the hell am. So I

500
00:34:30.400 --> 00:34:32.239
put it in and it's it owned. I had to buy it by my

501
00:34:32.320 --> 00:34:37.719
own name from somebody. Well,
mine's owned by somebody in the Cayman Islands.

502
00:34:37.840 --> 00:34:42.320
After Nashville Star me in about six
or seven of the Nashville Star people,

503
00:34:42.719 --> 00:34:45.360
uh, our names were were bought
up by somebody in the Cayman Islands,

504
00:34:45.480 --> 00:34:49.159
John Arthan Martinez dot com. And
I said, you can keep dot

505
00:34:49.159 --> 00:34:51.880
com. I'm not gonna do that. You can keep dot com. I'm

506
00:34:51.920 --> 00:34:54.599
a dot net guy anyway, so
brilliant. But let me tell you though,

507
00:34:54.639 --> 00:34:58.880
I did have a webmaster that dropped
the ball. I owned jam Records

508
00:34:58.880 --> 00:35:00.960
dot com and he let it go. I put his name as administrator and

509
00:35:00.960 --> 00:35:05.480
he didn't renew the fee. But
I own jam records dot com. How

510
00:35:05.559 --> 00:35:08.039
much is a fee a year?
That's nothing it's just a few bucks.

511
00:35:08.039 --> 00:35:10.719
It's worth doing. Yeah, yeah, it's worth doing. But I'd never

512
00:35:10.760 --> 00:35:14.239
own moneywarden dot com. And I
just bought it. Had to buy my

513
00:35:14.239 --> 00:35:19.280
own damn name because I because I
can't say Moneywarden dot neet like tennis because

514
00:35:19.400 --> 00:35:23.400
I don't play tennis. Yeah,
oh man, man, this fantastic.

515
00:35:23.400 --> 00:35:25.920
Are you gonna come back? I'd
love to Okay, we'd love it.

516
00:35:25.960 --> 00:35:30.159
We'd love to hear some more stories
and everything and talk about the event after

517
00:35:30.199 --> 00:35:34.519
the event too. Yeah, be
real cool. Yeah, yeah, definitely,

518
00:35:34.639 --> 00:35:37.960
definitely. And I love this man. Let me tell you this guy,

519
00:35:37.719 --> 00:35:43.000
this is a great person, the
most honest guy makes Santa Claus look

520
00:35:43.039 --> 00:35:49.360
like an asshole. He's just a
Well can I use that on the air

521
00:35:49.360 --> 00:35:53.639
because I love that. Yeah,
it's if you can, it's true.

522
00:35:53.639 --> 00:35:57.159
But if you know John Arthur,
you know that's the fact. Yeah,

523
00:35:57.199 --> 00:36:00.039
well, I appreciate that. Money
feeling is mutual. Oh man, a

524
00:36:00.039 --> 00:36:04.320
lot of fun mortels, broken smoke
coming up. Okay, here's a late

525
00:36:04.360 --> 00:36:08.199
addition, John, are that we
we connected because same girl cross in high

526
00:36:08.199 --> 00:36:14.440
school. Junior high Bowerie Mobley moved
from Sweetwater tomorrowl Falls. You graduated with

527
00:36:14.559 --> 00:36:19.079
her and boy. But then we
just found out because we're the same age

528
00:36:19.079 --> 00:36:22.840
class of seventy nine. You look
like his dad, No, he does

529
00:36:22.880 --> 00:36:28.800
not. I look a lot older. It's radio life, is what it

530
00:36:28.960 --> 00:36:34.239
is. Radio life, Okay,
but we just found it and we I

531
00:36:34.280 --> 00:36:39.280
don't I'm sure we met in seventy
nine. We both competed UIL State Editorial

532
00:36:39.840 --> 00:36:45.480
Championship in May April May of nineteen
seventy. I wanted I'm the state champion

533
00:36:45.559 --> 00:36:49.239
editory. And of course, look
what has happened to journalism since then?

534
00:36:49.239 --> 00:36:52.199
Aren't you glad we didn't go work
for a newspaper? Oh god, yeah,

535
00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:53.519
no, I was. I got
third in feature writing and I did

536
00:36:53.599 --> 00:37:00.119
compete state against you in editorial.
And where was the championship was in?

537
00:37:00.599 --> 00:37:04.360
All U t U T. Thompson
Center is where we Uh, I couldn't

538
00:37:05.000 --> 00:37:07.000
pull that out of my Yeah,
it was Thompson Center because it's only I

539
00:37:07.039 --> 00:37:10.239
haven't been at the TOMPs Center since
I graduated from UT. It's over there

540
00:37:10.280 --> 00:37:17.639
by the LBJ Library. Yeah.
Yeah, nineteen yeah, man, those

541
00:37:17.639 --> 00:37:22.880
are fun times, those ui L
journalism competition together. Yeah, we competed,

542
00:37:23.039 --> 00:37:25.320
yeah, and but then again,
you know, I can't say that

543
00:37:25.840 --> 00:37:31.199
against Miranda Lambert Nashville Star, and
I could say I compete with and journalism

544
00:37:31.280 --> 00:37:35.239
that that had just seventy nine.
Y'all were a couple of chick magnets back

545
00:37:35.280 --> 00:37:37.880
then. Baby, you know what
the you know? Okay, let me

546
00:37:37.880 --> 00:37:39.239
tell you. I don't know.
You may not remember this, but here's

547
00:37:39.280 --> 00:37:44.440
what we did whenever we competed for
u AL competition. And I was like,

548
00:37:44.519 --> 00:37:45.800
say, it was kind of like
the big dog back then set high

549
00:37:45.840 --> 00:37:51.400
school because I was always winning medals. We would get everybody's UI L medals

550
00:37:51.880 --> 00:37:54.800
and I would walk in just a
few minutes late, after everybody else was

551
00:37:54.840 --> 00:38:00.719
in the room, so all the
people could hear the medals clink clank,

552
00:38:00.760 --> 00:38:02.920
clank clank, And here I come
in wearing a letter jacket with all these

553
00:38:04.000 --> 00:38:08.440
metals, just looking at people,
nodding my head. It's psychologically that is

554
00:38:08.559 --> 00:38:14.400
that is cool. And I will
tell you this that my daughter, I

555
00:38:14.440 --> 00:38:17.280
mean not my daughter, my little
sister would wear my letter jacket because I

556
00:38:17.280 --> 00:38:21.239
got I littered as a freshman,
So I got my litter jacket as a

557
00:38:21.239 --> 00:38:25.480
freshman by the time you could,
so she was always wearing my letter jacket.

558
00:38:25.639 --> 00:38:28.679
And I always always thought, I
need to go back and get a

559
00:38:28.679 --> 00:38:30.880
new letter jacket. I came home
from college found my sister wearing my letter

560
00:38:30.920 --> 00:38:34.719
jacket. I got mad. I
took it back with me to Tech.

561
00:38:35.400 --> 00:38:38.239
Wow. So, after all,
we have a lot of common I don't

562
00:38:38.280 --> 00:38:44.159
have any after first semester ninth grade. You're a baby winner. Yeah,

563
00:38:44.199 --> 00:38:46.320
you're rock and roll dude. Hey, it worked, it worked, it

564
00:38:46.360 --> 00:38:50.920
worked, and you're quite articulate.
Well, yeah, I talk pretty good.

565
00:38:51.000 --> 00:38:55.880
And what are you going to do
in real life? Tails from the

566
00:38:55.920 --> 00:39:00.519
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567
00:39:00.559 --> 00:39:07.199
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568
00:39:07.199 --> 00:39:07.920
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