1 00:00:11,199 --> 00:01:29,439 At a book. On last week's show, we had Moni come on and 2 00:01:29,519 --> 00:01:33,280 tell us about two encounters he had, but unfortunately we ran out of time 3 00:01:33,359 --> 00:01:36,920 and I wasn't able to ask any questions. So that's why it's come back 4 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:42,200 tonight to answer those questions Moni. Before I started asking you questions about the 5 00:01:42,239 --> 00:01:45,400 two encounters you told us about on last week's show. For the people who 6 00:01:45,439 --> 00:01:49,040 missed that show, please give us the cliff notes version of what happened when 7 00:01:49,079 --> 00:01:55,359 you have those experiences. Okay, the first encounter, I was sixteen. 8 00:01:56,159 --> 00:02:00,799 It was me and my brother and a friend John, and we lived out 9 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:07,919 in rural Virginia at southwest Virginia, Giles County to be specific. Behind our 10 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:13,159 house was some woods. We decided to go camping. We were up there, 11 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:20,919 it was nighttime. I'd gone back to get some firewood and I had 12 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:25,400 something thrown by my head into the fire, and I paused a minute, 13 00:02:25,439 --> 00:02:34,080 and I had something else fly by my head and we realized it wasn't like 14 00:02:34,159 --> 00:02:38,199 an a corner or anything. It looked like a rock, and a couple 15 00:02:38,319 --> 00:02:45,719 seconds later we had about an eight to ten second scream that scared the living 16 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:52,080 daylights out of all three of us, and I basically grabbed my little brother 17 00:02:52,879 --> 00:02:59,560 and went straight down the mountain, went through a fence basically towards leg up, 18 00:03:00,439 --> 00:03:04,919 got down to the to the house, met John down there, which 19 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:12,039 he took an alternate route, banged on the door, got inside. After 20 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:14,319 a little bit, my dad said, hey, let's go back up there 21 00:03:14,319 --> 00:03:19,240 and put the fire back out. I didn't want to go, but reluctantly 22 00:03:19,719 --> 00:03:23,919 I want a hit, and got in the truck. There was an access 23 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:29,639 road that kind of paralleled my way down, so we went up that access 24 00:03:29,759 --> 00:03:35,000 road and while he got out of the truck and he put out the fire, 25 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:42,240 I basically sit in the truck and bit my fingernails and shivered, hoping 26 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:45,719 that he wasn't going to get attacked, which he didn't, and he got 27 00:03:45,759 --> 00:03:51,319 back in the truck. We went back down and I basically from then on 28 00:03:51,479 --> 00:03:58,960 out. I had some trouble with some PTSD for quite a while after that. 29 00:03:59,439 --> 00:04:06,360 And that's the first encounter. The second encounter was out in Menita, 30 00:04:06,479 --> 00:04:13,360 Virginia, a place called Snug Harbor. I went out to pick my brother 31 00:04:13,479 --> 00:04:19,480 up from a friend's house later one evening. I'm thinking it was around ten 32 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:26,439 or ten thirty maybe eleven o'clock, went out, heard something on my way 33 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:30,319 out, really didn't think anything of it, picked him up, turned around, 34 00:04:30,439 --> 00:04:34,879 came back, and while I was reaching down to grab a CD or 35 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:40,040 packet cigarettes, I can't remember what it was I was reaching down for, 36 00:04:40,199 --> 00:04:45,399 but my brother started saying, look, look, look, look, And 37 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:48,720 I looked up and I seen the back half of this creature passing in front 38 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:55,600 of us. And we waited until it basically got about four or five steps 39 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:58,920 into the woods there, and then I gunned it back to the house, 40 00:05:00,079 --> 00:05:03,439 went in. My dad wasn't awake this time, so we basically stayed up 41 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:10,040 all night talking about it. And that's pretty much both of the encounters. 42 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:14,600 Did you see the thumbnail that I created for last week's episode? By chance? 43 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:17,839 I think I did? Yes? Good, I was hoping you had. 44 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:21,279 How does the subject in that thumbnail compared to the one that you and 45 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:30,000 Rob saw? It looks very very similar. The top half of the torso 46 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:35,839 was hunched over a whole lot more. It wasn't the thumbnail that I'm looking 47 00:05:35,879 --> 00:05:45,040 at that you created. The subject is standing up more of a it has 48 00:05:45,079 --> 00:05:49,959 a better posture. This thing had terrible posture like it looked like it looked 49 00:05:49,959 --> 00:05:57,720 like its back had been almost broken, Like it was just like from the 50 00:05:57,959 --> 00:06:01,560 I would say, from the the shoulder blades to the head, like it 51 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:08,639 was almost completely horizontal. Wow, I can understand why they did freak you 52 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:12,959 out. Then, Yeah, that's pretty creepy. On last week's show, 53 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,360 you said something I didn't understand, and I want to ask you about this 54 00:06:15,399 --> 00:06:19,120 before I actually dive into all these questions. You said that you live in 55 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:24,160 the woods, but that you don't go into the woods. Now, please 56 00:06:24,199 --> 00:06:29,360 clear that offers. Okay, So what I meant was I don't live in 57 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:33,279 the woods anymore. I live in town. I must have missed spuck on 58 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:38,360 that one, but no, I live in a little small town called Dublin. 59 00:06:38,639 --> 00:06:41,800 I used to live in the woods. I think that's probably what I 60 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:45,360 was trying to say, that I used to live in the woods. I 61 00:06:45,399 --> 00:06:50,040 mean, we basically lived in the woods for my whole teenage life. But 62 00:06:50,519 --> 00:06:56,759 after that stuff happened with that, I mean, I I haven't lived anywhere 63 00:06:56,800 --> 00:07:02,120 near the woods since then. Thesis that i'd been is at my mom's house 64 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:06,360 for a couple months, and that was that's not really in the woods at 65 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:10,199 all. That's I mean, there's a few trees there and everything that there's 66 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:15,040 no real woods around. And the current place that I live in Dublin, 67 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:19,120 it's you know, it's a little bustling town. You know, it's it's 68 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:24,560 nowhere near that the woods or anything. But yeah, sorry about that. 69 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:29,439 All that's all right. Yeah, I feared you'd just misspoken. So I 70 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:33,680 just wanted to ask for clarity on that good thing. Considering how John hadn't 71 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:36,839 spent much time in the woods at all before you had that first encounter. 72 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:45,720 Did that experience hit him especially hard? Well, I only saw him a 73 00:07:45,759 --> 00:07:50,920 few more times. Now. We saw each other in school, and we 74 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:57,160 passed each other in school, but there wasn't a whole lot of conversation going 75 00:07:57,199 --> 00:08:03,399 on. And when we started back that September, and I don't know if 76 00:08:03,399 --> 00:08:07,399 this is related or not, but he missed the first two weeks of school. 77 00:08:07,759 --> 00:08:11,879 And that I mean, you know, back then, we didn't have 78 00:08:11,959 --> 00:08:16,199 cell phones, so we didn't have the internet. Well maybe we had the 79 00:08:16,199 --> 00:08:22,879 internet, but it was very very young in its infancy, and our communication 80 00:08:22,199 --> 00:08:26,160 was you know, pick up a phone and remember some of one's number and 81 00:08:26,879 --> 00:08:30,800 you know, speak to him on the phone, and I wasn't much of 82 00:08:30,839 --> 00:08:35,279 a phone guy. And plus I don't know it affected me so much. 83 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:39,519 I didn't want to drum up the conversation with him. To be honest with 84 00:08:39,639 --> 00:08:45,320 you, I mean it was it was quite an experience for me. But 85 00:08:46,039 --> 00:08:50,480 I just don't know. We lost touch. I haven't spoken to him in 86 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:56,240 years and years, so I really don't know how that affected him. Hopefully 87 00:08:56,279 --> 00:09:00,000 not too bad. It sounds like it was almost kind of awkward. Whenever 88 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:03,279 you did see him after that encounter, it was, it was, it 89 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:09,080 was very awkward. He almost seemed to avoid me after that. Yeah, 90 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:13,240 that's a pretty common thing when more than one person has an encounter, so 91 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:16,600 it's not just you. If you've had a Dogman encounter, I would like 92 00:09:16,639 --> 00:09:20,360 to speak with me about it, whether I'm private or on the show, 93 00:09:20,799 --> 00:09:24,519 please go to Dogmanencounters dot com and submit a report. If you've had a 94 00:09:24,519 --> 00:09:28,240 bigfoot sighting and would like to be a guest on one of my two big 95 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:33,639 Foot shows, please go to my Bigfoot Sighting dot com. When those two 96 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:37,120 rocks were thrown between you and your tent, do you think they'd actually been 97 00:09:37,159 --> 00:09:43,799 thrown at you or just passed you? Uh? You know, I thought 98 00:09:43,799 --> 00:09:50,279 about that for a long time, and the only the only answer that I 99 00:09:50,279 --> 00:09:58,480 could come up with that that makes sense to me is I think that they 100 00:09:58,519 --> 00:10:07,960 were just trying to maybe maybe get my attention or or or say, hey, 101 00:10:07,039 --> 00:10:09,679 this is our spot. You know, you guys need to leave. 102 00:10:11,759 --> 00:10:16,559 I felt like with the after effects of like what happened, it wasn't a 103 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:22,279 curiosity thing. And I think if one of those things wanted to hit you 104 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:26,919 with a rock, I think they would. As much as I know about 105 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:30,679 them now, I think if they're going to throw something at you, you're 106 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:33,000 gonna get hit with it. Yeah, that makes two of us. I'm 107 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:37,799 pretty sure they would hit you if they wanted to. You told us about 108 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:41,399 the vocalization the three of you heard. Did you feel any nausea afterwards? 109 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:46,279 You know I felt it all the way down the mountain. Yes, I 110 00:10:46,279 --> 00:10:52,519 did. It was I'm glad you brought that up. Actually, you know, 111 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:56,360 that's that's something I didn't really remember until you just said that. That's 112 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:07,919 that's really weird. But yeah, it wasn't so much during the scream. 113 00:11:07,519 --> 00:11:15,000 It was more when I was going down the mountain with Rob, Like I 114 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:20,000 mean, I could definitely tell when like we we hit the dirt several times, 115 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:28,320 and when I was getting back up, I noticed it, and yeah, 116 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:31,559 I'm glad you brought that up. That's that's actually kind of kind of 117 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:37,039 weird, man. I don't know why I didn't mention that. I I 118 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:41,159 guess I just didn't remember. It's a good thing with these, with these 119 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:43,840 encounters like this, you know when you retell them, all these new details 120 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:48,000 that you couldn't remember before it comes up, you know, Oh definitely, 121 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:52,320 And yeah, don't feel bad about not recalling that, because I mean, 122 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:54,759 you're doing good to know your own name, so no one could fault you 123 00:11:54,799 --> 00:12:00,200 for that. Were you holding it together pretty well until you looked over and 124 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:05,879 saw the look on Robin John's faces. Well, there wasn't a whole lot 125 00:12:05,919 --> 00:12:13,399 of time in between the scream and the look on his face, But I 126 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:20,519 think it was just a I was more in a fight or flight kind of 127 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:26,360 mode at that point, and all I was thinking about was flight holding it 128 00:12:26,399 --> 00:12:31,440 together. I don't know what anybody else would do, well, probably anybody 129 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:39,279 in my position would probably just freeze themselves. But that's pretty much all that 130 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:45,960 I felt was fight or flight as far as holding it together. Or not. 131 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:52,240 I think it all collapsed when I came through the door. That's when 132 00:12:52,279 --> 00:12:56,120 I wasn't holding it together anymore. I was pretty cool and collective when it 133 00:12:56,159 --> 00:13:01,960 came to grabbing him and running down the mountain there. But as soon as 134 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:05,000 I knew I was safe, like I was crying, I mean, I 135 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:11,960 was hysterical. I mean my dad had to calm us down for I mean, 136 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:15,600 we were all three hysterical. But he I mean, yeah, I 137 00:13:15,639 --> 00:13:18,399 know. It was a good ten or fifteen minutes that he, you know, 138 00:13:18,639 --> 00:13:22,919 was trying to calm us down. And finally he was just like, 139 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:26,840 okay, you guys, when you're done, let me know and we'll talk 140 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:31,320 about this thing, you know. And that's pretty much how that happened. 141 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:37,399 You deserve a lot of credit. I mean, when it goes sideways away 142 00:13:37,399 --> 00:13:41,080 it did that night, you held it together and got business taken care of. 143 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:45,240 You grabbed Rob and hauled him down that mountain and got him to safety 144 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:50,159 as well as yourself. And then after you were in relative safety, once 145 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:52,720 you were in the house, then you broke down. So you did what 146 00:13:52,759 --> 00:13:56,320 you needed to do. And like I said, you deserve a lot of 147 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:58,679 credit for that. He said, you drug. Rob down the mountain that 148 00:13:58,759 --> 00:14:01,600 night as you're trying to get away from the creature, Why do you have 149 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:05,600 to do that? Wasn't he trying to get away? Well he was, 150 00:14:05,759 --> 00:14:11,480 but there was a significant difference between his body size and mine. At that 151 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:16,840 point, I'd already hit a growth spurt. You know. I was sixteen 152 00:14:16,919 --> 00:14:22,519 years old. I was a running back on the football team. Rob was 153 00:14:22,639 --> 00:14:30,000 a little I'll describe Rob back then when he was thirteen. He was probably 154 00:14:31,039 --> 00:14:35,360 five foot tall and probably weighed one hundred and fifty pounds, which puts him 155 00:14:35,399 --> 00:14:41,639 at a pretty hefty weight for his age. And you know, I was 156 00:14:41,759 --> 00:14:48,240 lean and skinny, and I'd played football for going on about eight years then, 157 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:52,080 and that was my natural thing, was running. And I knew the 158 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:58,519 instant that I had to grab him, that he wasn't gonna be able to 159 00:14:58,559 --> 00:15:01,519 get down on his eye, like it just wasn't gonna happen like that thing 160 00:15:01,559 --> 00:15:07,519 would have had it. And with me helping him and everything, I think 161 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:13,759 it turned out, you know, the right way, and poor guy was 162 00:15:13,879 --> 00:15:16,840 just you know, he was just unfortunate. Now, later on in his 163 00:15:16,879 --> 00:15:20,080 life, he leaned out, you know, and he looked a lot like 164 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:24,759 like I did. But those younger years for Rob, up until he was 165 00:15:24,759 --> 00:15:30,960 about seventeen, I'd say maybe sixteen, he was short and pudgy, you 166 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:33,480 know, and I was just worried about him, you know. I just 167 00:15:33,519 --> 00:15:37,200 didn't see him getting down there on his own. Well, like I said, 168 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:41,879 you're a good man. Most people they would have packed up and just 169 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:45,080 kicking off and the heck with anyone else with him. But no, you 170 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:48,320 steve and did the best you could to get your little brother down that mountain 171 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:50,720 into safety. So yeah, you deserve a lot of credit for that. 172 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:56,440 I saw an episode of Tear in the Woods. There was a bunch of 173 00:15:56,559 --> 00:16:00,919 kids that were running away from this bigfoot and there was an ice chest out 174 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:07,159 front, like a like a freezer or whatever. And like this kid, 175 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:11,360 his brothers locked him out of the mobile home and he had to jump in 176 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:15,600 that ice freezer. Like I would have never done that to my brother. 177 00:16:17,759 --> 00:16:21,919 I saw that. Yeah, when I watched that, I just couldn't believe 178 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:25,799 that. What I could but yeah, that's horrible. Yeah, and they 179 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:29,840 kept him in that thing for a while too, they did, Yeah that's 180 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:33,200 what he said. He said they did. Yeah, that was pretty bad. 181 00:16:33,279 --> 00:16:36,399 But when they go sideways, you never know you're going to respond. 182 00:16:36,559 --> 00:16:40,960 So that reminds me of another eyewitnessed what I spoke with about his dog me 183 00:16:41,039 --> 00:16:44,840 an encounter. He was out with this buddy one day. I forgot where, 184 00:16:44,919 --> 00:16:48,879 but this dog man jumps out and he took off running and left his 185 00:16:48,879 --> 00:16:52,320 buddy, who was overweight, behind and said sorry, so and so. 186 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:56,960 I forgot his name, but he just took off running, and next thing 187 00:16:56,000 --> 00:17:03,919 he knew, his buddy was blowing right by him and left him there. 188 00:17:03,039 --> 00:17:08,480 He was running still, but his buddy blew right past him. It's great. 189 00:17:08,599 --> 00:17:11,119 Yeah, you made it back to the house before he did. Well, 190 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:14,920 before he did. I thought that was hilarious what I heard about. 191 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:18,720 Oh man, that is great. Then it starts him right, Yeah, 192 00:17:18,759 --> 00:17:22,960 it does. But then again, I mean, you can't be too hard 193 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:23,839 on people. You never know. Like I said, how are you going 194 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:29,160 to respond when things get sideways? Yeah, I totally get that. No, 195 00:17:29,319 --> 00:17:33,039 but it's definitely a funny situation. Though I don't know if Rob would 196 00:17:33,039 --> 00:17:37,960 have done that. But you know, there was one situation. I was 197 00:17:37,039 --> 00:17:41,519 riding a motorcycle up on the dirt road and there was down in the valley 198 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:48,000 was like a cornfield, and we were almost racing, and it was about 199 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:51,319 that time. It was before that happened, before the encounter happened, but 200 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:53,319 he was. We were going from our grandmother's house, which was actually like 201 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:59,759 about a half mile away from our double wide, and I was on the 202 00:17:59,759 --> 00:18:03,279 motor cycle, just kind of putt putting on the road, and I looked 203 00:18:03,319 --> 00:18:08,559 down and I'd never seen my brother run that fast in my life, and 204 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:11,920 I don't I don't know why that just jogged that memory. But that's kind 205 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:17,200 of cool. When you've got the proper motivation, you can really pick them 206 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:21,960 up and put them down. Yeah, yeah, that's right. How far 207 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:30,079 was your camp from the house? Now, I've got my encounter on my 208 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:34,880 own channel, and if you go to that and you click on that video, 209 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:40,359 it says my own encounter. It shows the Google Earth. I kind 210 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:45,960 of did like a little it's like a measurement from the house to the top 211 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:48,480 of the hill. I think it was like a half mile, quarter mile 212 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:53,440 something like that. I'll bet that felt like five Yeah, it did. 213 00:18:53,920 --> 00:19:00,640 It did, especially going through those trees and and anticipating that that fence coming 214 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:04,759 up. I wasn't exactly going one hundred percent speed. You know, there 215 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:11,319 was times where I did hit one hundred percent and you know, but a 216 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:15,039 lot of it was I was going slow for rob and going slow because I 217 00:19:15,039 --> 00:19:19,319 didn't want to hit that fence. Oh sure, Yeah, between trying to 218 00:19:19,799 --> 00:19:23,640 drag him down the mountain and being worried about that barbed wire fence down at 219 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:26,079 the bottom of it. Then yeah, I'm sure you were going all that 220 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:30,400 fast. Yeah, if it was just me, I would have beaten John 221 00:19:30,519 --> 00:19:34,519 down there by at least thirty seconds or so. I mean, that's my 222 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:40,359 guess. John was a pretty fast guy. Well, I'm sure he was. 223 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:42,039 But if you're a running back, you must have had some pretty good 224 00:19:42,079 --> 00:19:48,319 speed yourself. Yeah, I was. I was okay back then. I 225 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:53,240 wasn't bad, I believe it. If you'd like to be able to listen 226 00:19:53,279 --> 00:19:57,240 to the show without ads and have full access to bonus content, that's an 227 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:03,599 option. To find out how, please go to Dogman Encounters dot com Forward 228 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:08,559 Slash Podcast. Was it almost worse running away from the relative safety of the 229 00:20:08,559 --> 00:20:12,039 fire that night to get home or were you glad to be doing that? 230 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:21,920 Well, I'll tell you this. When we entered the woods and it started 231 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:26,599 getting dark, like from the fire, you know, being behind us or 232 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:33,319 whatever. I thought I'd made a mistake because it was it was pretty dark 233 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:37,640 that night. I can't remember about the you know, the moon phase that 234 00:20:37,799 --> 00:20:41,799 night or anything like that, but I do remember that it was really dark. 235 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:47,720 And I'll tell you what. I almost thought that I made a bad 236 00:20:47,839 --> 00:20:51,079 mustake. Well, I mean, you know, to this day, I 237 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:53,880 kind of flip flop. I almost kind of wished that I would have taken 238 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:59,480 the road with John because obviously, you know, it didn't get John, 239 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:06,359 and that would have alleviated you know, all of that old crap. It's 240 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:08,960 pitch black, you know where I go, you know, kind of feeling. 241 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:12,799 And I wouldn't have hurt my brother, you know, scraping his knee 242 00:21:12,839 --> 00:21:18,680 up and I mean he had scratches everywhere, man like it. It's a 243 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:22,319 wonder I didn't put his eye out from a branch or something. Please don't 244 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:26,480 be too hard on yourself. You're put in a very difficult situation that you 245 00:21:26,599 --> 00:21:30,319 just handled it the best way you knew how, and I think you deserve 246 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:33,519 a lot of credit for how you handled it, So don't be too hard 247 00:21:33,559 --> 00:21:37,960 on yourself. How long did you stay in that home after having that first 248 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:45,559 experience, well, let me think about that. We let's see, we 249 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:53,039 moved over there about the time I was fourteen or fifteen. We were there 250 00:21:53,279 --> 00:22:02,079 all about a year or so when the encounter happened, and we didn't stay 251 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:07,680 there much longer. We stayed there another year and my grandmother passed away, 252 00:22:07,759 --> 00:22:14,039 so we moved up into her house and we rented out the double wide, 253 00:22:14,599 --> 00:22:18,359 so that I mean, we weren't like we were still in the same overall 254 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:23,160 location, but not in the exact location. I mean, like I said, 255 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:27,640 it was probably like, I don't know, a quarter to a half 256 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:34,400 a mile up the road, and then we stayed there, probably I don't 257 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:40,480 know, another six months or so. I'm sure you couldn't wait to get 258 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:45,480 out of it though. Yeah, it wasn't a great place at nighttime. 259 00:22:47,279 --> 00:22:53,319 During the day, you know, I still didn't venture, but maybe a 260 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:57,880 couple steps into the woods here and there, but I never went into the 261 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:03,359 woods after that, like I was done at that point. But up at 262 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:07,799 Grandma's house, the neighbors were a little bit closer, and that that kind 263 00:23:07,839 --> 00:23:15,119 of gave me a little bit of a feeling of safety. I'm really not 264 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:19,200 sure why, but I guess with the more the people, you know. 265 00:23:21,079 --> 00:23:26,720 I guess my mindset was the more people, the least that those things want 266 00:23:26,759 --> 00:23:32,960 to come around. Being a kid living right there in the woods, it 267 00:23:33,039 --> 00:23:36,519 really is a shame that you couldn't go out and just explore whenever you wanted 268 00:23:36,559 --> 00:23:41,000 to. Yeah, we did it a lot beforehand, and even before that, 269 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:45,240 we lived close to the woods before we even moved into the double wide, 270 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:49,319 So like from a very young age, you know, that's what we 271 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:53,680 did. That was our thing, you know. And it was about the 272 00:23:53,759 --> 00:24:00,799 time, well, I'd started playing guitar around thirteen, so after that encounter 273 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:07,240 happened, I pretty much stayed in the house from then on out, and 274 00:24:07,759 --> 00:24:14,039 so did rob By the way, and that's when my interest in playing guitar 275 00:24:14,319 --> 00:24:18,799 really ramped up. So that really served as a really good coping mechanism for 276 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:26,279 me. That in art. I've been doing both of those since I can 277 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:32,440 remember. I've got about thirty years of a musicianship under my belt now, 278 00:24:32,559 --> 00:24:37,839 so and well about thirty years of art under my belt too. I just 279 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:44,000 wish I could have made some money with him. No, I understand your 280 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:48,279 second encounter happened about four years after the first one, had you come to 281 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:52,480 terms yet with that first experience, before that second encounter happened. Oh God, 282 00:24:52,599 --> 00:24:57,960 no, no, no, I tell you what happened. I pushed 283 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:04,640 it back in the back of my mind. And that's how where that encounter 284 00:25:04,759 --> 00:25:07,920 lived. You know, I didn't bring it up. I didn't talk to 285 00:25:08,079 --> 00:25:11,599 Rob, I didn't talk to anybody about it after that. You know, 286 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:17,599 we had a few conversations the first couple of weeks after you know, it 287 00:25:17,759 --> 00:25:25,440 happened, but it kind of tapered off, and we just kind of knew, 288 00:25:26,039 --> 00:25:29,359 like, just don't bring it up, and that kind of served as 289 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:33,039 a good thing for me. I had some other things going on in my 290 00:25:33,079 --> 00:25:36,759 life anyway. I was in my younger twenties, well, I was twenty. 291 00:25:37,759 --> 00:25:42,400 I just met my now ex wife, future mother, my kids. 292 00:25:44,039 --> 00:25:47,000 So I had a lot of things going on in my life at that point 293 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:51,799 to kind of distract me from that. And then when you know, we 294 00:25:51,839 --> 00:25:59,559 saw that thing through the windshield man, things changed again, and here I 295 00:25:59,599 --> 00:26:03,559 go again, back into isolation. Heck, I didn't hardly even come out 296 00:26:03,599 --> 00:26:08,319 of my room for a long time. And I got married and we moved 297 00:26:08,319 --> 00:26:14,119 to the city, and that was that for the Woods. And even though 298 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:18,039 that I lived in the woods. I'll go ahead and clarify this real quick. 299 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:22,319 Even though that I lived in the woods down in Snug Harbor, I 300 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:27,720 did not go into the woods. My path was door car door, car, 301 00:26:29,079 --> 00:26:33,200 car door, you know that from the from the front door to the 302 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,640 car, and I didn't I didn't venture out. I didn't want to venture 303 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:41,200 out. I didn't want to see what was out there. And normally I 304 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:45,599 would go pretty quickly, even at night time, like when Dad asked me 305 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:49,200 to go pick him up that night. You know, I remember, like 306 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:56,599 I did not want to go. It was just a it became a routine 307 00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:00,039 for me, like to just stay away from the woods. You know. 308 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,160 I'll bet you did stay away from the woods. And that right there, 309 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:07,880 that's what I thought you were talking about when you said that you lived in 310 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,759 the woods, but you didn't go into the woods. I thought, Okay, 311 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:12,640 here's a guy who actually has a home in the woods, but he 312 00:27:12,759 --> 00:27:17,799 goes, like you said, from door to car and that's it. Yeah, 313 00:27:17,799 --> 00:27:19,799 that's it. I didn't. I mean, there was there was some 314 00:27:19,839 --> 00:27:25,200 other times where we were out in the front yard, which the front yard 315 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:32,519 in Snug Harbor, it faced the road like Okay, if you're looking from 316 00:27:33,079 --> 00:27:40,240 the front door, the driveway goes straight out from where you're standing about I 317 00:27:40,319 --> 00:27:45,680 don't know, eighty feet maybe, and then there's like a I want to 318 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,720 say a cult de sac, but it really wasn't a cult de sack. 319 00:27:48,799 --> 00:27:52,960 It was just a dead end. But people did turn around there a lot. 320 00:27:52,559 --> 00:27:56,440 But once you get go that eighty feet out the driveway, you just 321 00:27:56,519 --> 00:28:00,400 turn right and it just went to the right at that point. But like, 322 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,440 the yard was pretty big, and every now and then me and my 323 00:28:04,519 --> 00:28:08,119 brother, you know, during the during the daytime, or me and my 324 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:12,480 brother and my dad would would go out and pass the football, or if 325 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,880 we had to work on the car, you know. But that's not in 326 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,559 the woods. That was in our yard. You know, there's definitely a 327 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:23,559 difference. How far were you from your new home when you and Rob had 328 00:28:23,559 --> 00:28:30,400 that second encounter. Well, when I went to go get him, it 329 00:28:30,559 --> 00:28:37,319 wasn't but maybe three or four hundred yards out the road from the house that 330 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:41,079 I heard that cracking and stuff. But like when when I went to get 331 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:45,960 him and then come back, it was there. There was a there was 332 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:51,200 a mile or two in between the house. Like whatever that was, I 333 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:56,599 don't know what that noise was when I first went out. It could have 334 00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:02,039 been it, or it could have been a deer. I really don't know, 335 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:07,079 but my mind wants to connect the two incidents for some reason. And 336 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:11,119 if it was, if it was the same creature we're looking at like, 337 00:29:11,559 --> 00:29:19,400 it traveled a little ways there, out towards the middle of the more forested 338 00:29:19,519 --> 00:29:26,000 area, so when I was coming back, it was probably a mile or 339 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:32,799 two from the house. That's close. I'm sure that didn't help to call 340 00:29:32,839 --> 00:29:40,160 me nerves after having that experience. It sure didn't moon Me and my brother 341 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:47,599 lived on the upstairs part of this house, and we had a circular window. 342 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:49,480 I know if you ever saw those like up in the attic, you 343 00:29:49,519 --> 00:29:53,480 know kind of we had like like a loft kind of that we stayed up 344 00:29:53,519 --> 00:29:57,079 in. It was that, you know, you could see the the a 345 00:29:57,279 --> 00:30:03,960 frame in our room. It was more of a loft room and the we 346 00:30:03,039 --> 00:30:11,279 had two circular windows, one near the stairs that you used to come up 347 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,319 that was on one in the back end of the house, and then on 348 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:19,359 the front end of the house it had another circular window, and that was 349 00:30:19,759 --> 00:30:22,680 where my bed was. It was right next to that window. And I'm 350 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:27,480 telling you what, man, I had to get a sheet and put over 351 00:30:27,559 --> 00:30:33,279 that thing. After that happened. I just did not want to look outside. 352 00:30:33,519 --> 00:30:36,839 I can understand why. Yeah, that's one thing when you have an 353 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:40,559 encounter with a dog meion miles and miles away from home, But if you're 354 00:30:40,559 --> 00:30:44,119 only one two miles away, especially after having that first encounter that you and 355 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:48,839 Rob had, Yeah, that's totally understandable. And speaking of that, did 356 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:52,720 seeing that dog me in that night when you two had that second encounter almost 357 00:30:52,759 --> 00:30:56,519 push you, a Rob over the edge. I don't know what I would 358 00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:02,519 define as the edge on that because it felt like I was already over it 359 00:31:03,359 --> 00:31:07,400 when I started hearing those sounds when I first went out to go get robed, 360 00:31:07,519 --> 00:31:11,519 like I started thinking, you know, it was in the back of 361 00:31:11,519 --> 00:31:15,839 my mind, like, oh no, you know, because anytime I was 362 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:19,200 anywhere near the woods and I heard any kind of popping and cracking like that 363 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:23,559 feeling started coming over it again. You know. It was every single time, 364 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:29,839 you know, and most of the time I wouldn't look, but the 365 00:31:29,839 --> 00:31:32,359 times that I did, you know, I would find that there was a 366 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:38,440 squirrel or a deer or you know, somebody's cat or something trampling around in 367 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:47,240 the leaves, but over the edge was probably yeah, I went, yeah, 368 00:31:47,359 --> 00:31:52,200 it was definitely over the edge. I mean I was basically hyperventilating, 369 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:56,680 you know, the whole time home. My brother had to really really calm 370 00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:00,720 me down, Like when we got home. He was a lot more mature 371 00:32:00,039 --> 00:32:06,920 four years later, and he really had to calm me down up there. 372 00:32:07,359 --> 00:32:12,519 And I just kept telling him, I don't want it to come in the 373 00:32:12,559 --> 00:32:15,240 house, you know, I don't want it to follows, you know, 374 00:32:15,359 --> 00:32:20,720 back, And I didn't know what to do about that. Yeah, that's 375 00:32:20,759 --> 00:32:22,480 not a very good thought. It's not a thought that's going to give you 376 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:27,160 the warm and fuzzies idea of a dog man coming into the house. No, 377 00:32:27,279 --> 00:32:30,559 definitely, not, not at all. How long did you see the 378 00:32:30,559 --> 00:32:36,480 claws were on the tips of its toes. Well, okay, the way 379 00:32:36,519 --> 00:32:43,799 that it looked to me was okay, just imagine a normal toe, of 380 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,559 saying, human's toe, Okay, not a canine toe, because this thing 381 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:52,119 had weirdly, I don't know, his feet, the feet on it was 382 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:57,240 weird looking. Man. I can't really say whether if it was canine or 383 00:32:57,279 --> 00:33:01,839 human. It looked to be like a like a hybrid of like maybe both. 384 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:07,640 But the toe if you imagine a toe and you look at it side 385 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:13,160 profile, so so you see the floor, okay, and then the pad 386 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:17,160 of your toes touching the floor, and then several inches up, you know, 387 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:22,960 you get the top of your toe normally, like on a human's toenail, 388 00:33:22,599 --> 00:33:28,039 like if it was to grow out, it grows out pretty straight and 389 00:33:28,079 --> 00:33:31,559 then it starts curling over. And that's that's what it looked like. It 390 00:33:31,559 --> 00:33:37,279 looked like it had like kind of went out straight and then curled over at 391 00:33:37,319 --> 00:33:40,720 the edge, and then on the bottom of it it was very flat. 392 00:33:42,319 --> 00:33:45,359 Like I don't know why that detail sticks out to me, but like I 393 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:50,519 can see that toenail like as I'm speaking about it. But I would say 394 00:33:50,559 --> 00:33:57,319 it was probably two inches long from the nail bed, well maybe two and 395 00:33:57,359 --> 00:34:04,680 a half. I'm looking at my finger here, and it was probably as 396 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:10,039 long as my forefinger if I curl it at the end. That's what that 397 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:16,440 now looked like. So a couple inches sounds like they're pretty gnarly looking. 398 00:34:17,519 --> 00:34:22,199 They were, Yeah, they must have been. Could you see when you're 399 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:35,320 looking at its feet if its claws were actually touching the ground. Well kind 400 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:44,880 of, I guess. Yeah, when it raised its foot up is when 401 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:50,000 I saw the claw, Like, that's when I noticed it, because like 402 00:34:50,119 --> 00:34:53,719 when the foot came up or whatever, it kind of came up like you 403 00:34:53,760 --> 00:35:00,360 know, like if you imagine someone stepping and then and then bringing their foot 404 00:35:00,519 --> 00:35:04,599 up, like I saw the edge of it, like it almost gleamed in 405 00:35:04,679 --> 00:35:08,440 the light. Yeah, that's you know, that's about all I can say 406 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:12,920 on that. Well, like I said earlier, you had so much going 407 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,639 through your mind. No one can fault you from not knowing all these small 408 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:20,639 details. Yeah, it was just a it was kind of a split second. 409 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:25,039 But like I guess, like where my eyes went from my brother's face 410 00:35:27,039 --> 00:35:34,920 horizontally from right to left, it kind of landed near his feet where his 411 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,400 feet was. You know, that's the first thing I saw, was the 412 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:43,800 feet. How tall do you see? It was? Oh? Man, 413 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:49,639 this thing was This thing was tall, dude, Like if he would have 414 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:53,440 straightened out the way the creature looked, was it? Okay, if you 415 00:35:53,440 --> 00:36:01,679 imagine like at the shoulder blades, if you would just like if you saw 416 00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:06,800 the thumbnail, we'll go back to that again. If you looked at the 417 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:13,039 thumbnail on your on the video of the last encounter there, the dog man 418 00:36:13,119 --> 00:36:19,800 in your picture is more standing up with a better posture than I would say 419 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:24,119 that the one that I had that I had encountered, it almost looked like 420 00:36:24,159 --> 00:36:29,000 from the shoulder blades, or maybe a little bit below the shoulder blades, 421 00:36:29,079 --> 00:36:34,400 like it was hunched over, like it had this like hunch back kind of 422 00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:42,159 look to it. But if it was, I mean that that position that 423 00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:51,119 he was in there, I would say he was at least six to six 424 00:36:51,199 --> 00:36:54,599 and a half feet tall. But if it would have raised up like and 425 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:59,360 did like a correct posture, that thing would have been at least seven and 426 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:04,519 a half feet all. How wide would you say its head was? Well, 427 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,039 the angle that I was at, I couldn't quite tell you how wide 428 00:37:08,079 --> 00:37:13,800 it was. Now I'll do a little a little bit of speculating here, 429 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:22,199 I would say it was at least twice as wide as a human's head, 430 00:37:23,119 --> 00:37:28,519 maybe maybe a little smaller if that's the case. Did its head look to 431 00:37:28,559 --> 00:37:32,519 be in proportion to the size of its body. It did as far as 432 00:37:34,119 --> 00:37:38,599 well. Let me let me actually rephrase that it actually looked a little small, 433 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:49,079 because the torso of this thing was absolutely humongous like it. It's hard 434 00:37:49,159 --> 00:37:55,880 to describe really, but it almost had like a V shaped torso. But 435 00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,559 once you once you get up to the shoulders, you could tell this thing 436 00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:07,320 had a lot of girth to it. But yeah, it's yeah, I 437 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,880 just don't know, I don't know how to describe that. Oh, that's 438 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:15,159 all right. If you're trying to describe a beer or a dog or something 439 00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:19,639 like that you see all the time. That's one thing. But trying to 440 00:38:19,679 --> 00:38:23,360 describe something like this, especially when you're compromised the way you were, totally 441 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:27,840 understandable that you'd have art. Yeah, it was really just a shock. 442 00:38:28,119 --> 00:38:34,960 I mean, I think the whole encounter may have lasted five to six seconds, 443 00:38:35,639 --> 00:38:40,960 which it felt like an eternity. But anytime I go back and relive 444 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:45,760 it, you know, it seems like it was a longer and longer occurrence. 445 00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:52,280 But I try to keep a more logical mind about it and take it 446 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:55,440 to account everything else that was going on. And you know, it was 447 00:38:55,480 --> 00:39:01,719 probably five to seven five to eight seconds long. And now as far as 448 00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:07,840 like me seeing it, I only saw it for like maybe a second second 449 00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:13,639 and a half and then I saw a silhouette. I would say compared to 450 00:39:13,679 --> 00:39:20,119 a bear. I've seen several bears. A full grown black bear is what 451 00:39:20,159 --> 00:39:23,199 I'm used to seeing in this part of the country. I would say that 452 00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:30,199 this thing was much wider, much wider than a bear. I don't know 453 00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:35,800 if I was i'd feel safe to say two bears wide, but maybe one 454 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:37,800 and a half bears wide. I mean, this thing was huge. It's 455 00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:44,119 towards it was huge. The arms were really lanky, the waist was thin. 456 00:39:45,199 --> 00:39:49,039 The top of the legs where the thighs would be, those things were 457 00:39:49,119 --> 00:39:54,280 ginormous. Oh, I'm sure they were. Were it serious on the sides 458 00:39:54,320 --> 00:40:00,559 of its head or more on top, kind of in between, if you 459 00:40:00,599 --> 00:40:07,280 were comparing it to a humanoid head, The ears were more. They were 460 00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:12,199 farther up on the head a little bit, not much, but enough to 461 00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:16,119 where you could, you know, definitely tell it's It was more in between. 462 00:40:16,639 --> 00:40:23,360 I wouldn't say on top of the head, but the ears seemed like 463 00:40:23,559 --> 00:40:30,079 they were super long like, and it may have just been the hair that 464 00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:34,760 was kind of sprouting out from its ears that made it look long, but 465 00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:40,199 they're very pointy. I definitely remember that. From the left ear. I 466 00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:45,639 got a really good shot of that from the ear back to the back of 467 00:40:45,679 --> 00:40:51,920 its head. But that, yeah, that's it was. It was probably 468 00:40:53,239 --> 00:41:00,280 i would say six to eight inches long, maybe the ear maybe a little 469 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:07,440 shorter. That's pretty long. Did it have them pinned or were they pointing 470 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:13,360 straight up? They were in a pin position. They were almost horizontal with 471 00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,199 the top of its head like it was. They were definitely laid back. 472 00:41:17,599 --> 00:41:22,199 Wasn't happy then, No, it probably wasn't. We probably surprised it. 473 00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:27,480 And that's that's what my brother told me when we got back. He said, 474 00:41:27,519 --> 00:41:30,719 I guarantee we surprised that thing, like he was surprised. And I 475 00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:34,400 said, well, what did the look on it face look like? And 476 00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,880 he kept telling me that its hair covered the face, he couldn't really see. 477 00:41:38,119 --> 00:41:42,000 I'm still fuzzy on this. How close did you guys get to it 478 00:41:42,119 --> 00:41:47,840 At the closest point, I'd say it was about twenty yards twenty five yards 479 00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:53,960 away, maybe a little closer. I'm still doing my painted rendition of my 480 00:41:54,119 --> 00:42:01,280 encounter and I'm looking at it right now, and I would say it was 481 00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:08,400 probably more like twenty five feet. Yeah, because when I remember it going 482 00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:15,599 out of the light, it had a more defined way of moving out of 483 00:42:15,599 --> 00:42:22,320 the light, like the light and the darkness from my headlights. It seemed 484 00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:29,480 like there was more of a defined visual of him moving from the light to 485 00:42:29,599 --> 00:42:31,639 the darkness. Now, if you put something out in front of you, 486 00:42:31,679 --> 00:42:38,320 say thirty yards forty yards or so, that definition of when it's in the 487 00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:43,280 light when it's in the dark almost blurs a little bit. I just remember 488 00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:50,000 that it was going into the darkness, and like the front half of this 489 00:42:50,079 --> 00:42:53,639 thing, like I couldn't really see, and it was a verty i'd say, 490 00:42:53,679 --> 00:43:00,119 defined contrast. So the more I think about it, the close or 491 00:43:00,199 --> 00:43:05,079 I think that it was. But I would say if I was a batman, 492 00:43:05,199 --> 00:43:10,079 I would probably bet within twenty five feet you could see the individual hairs 493 00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:15,239 and all kinds of different little details and stuff, the wrinkles and stuff on 494 00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:22,360 its back. It looked like it had a scar right up from its waist. 495 00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:27,000 Looked like it maybe something had scratched it, or it had gotten a 496 00:43:27,039 --> 00:43:34,519 fight with something like right near if you go up from its tailbone up two 497 00:43:34,559 --> 00:43:39,119 or three inches and then to the left, right around where your back turns 498 00:43:39,159 --> 00:43:46,400 into your side, it was a horizontal scar you could see was probably about 499 00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:50,800 four or five inches long. You can definitely see it though, and it 500 00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:58,360 was fresh, the patches of hair on it was it was very weirdly sparseed 501 00:43:58,679 --> 00:44:02,239 like down near its but like as it went up on its back, like 502 00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:07,360 it got thicker and thicker. It really does make you wonder what that scar 503 00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:09,599 came from. Might have been fighting another dog me, and you never know, 504 00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:14,440 Yeah, you never know. I don't know if those things are territorial. 505 00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:17,119 I'd say that they would be, but then if you look at canines, 506 00:44:17,639 --> 00:44:21,880 they're pack animals. So there you go. You know, you don't 507 00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:27,400 really know. And plus with the amount of information out there on these things, 508 00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:31,760 like you know, nobody really has one in their garage studying them, 509 00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:37,119 so it's really hard to tell what these things behaviors are, you know, 510 00:44:37,199 --> 00:44:40,000 Thank goodness, no one has one in their garage. That wouldn't go too 511 00:44:40,039 --> 00:44:45,320 well. No, I don't think it would either, not unless it was 512 00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:51,559 dead. Even then, yeah, even then as it Yeah, you're right, 513 00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,159 yeah, not a good situation. Did you ever go back to that 514 00:44:55,239 --> 00:45:00,239 spot to look for Prince? Oh? No, man, you know, 515 00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:05,199 anytime I got near that spot, I just I just rode right by it, 516 00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,639 or I pushed the gas down where I didn't have to look at it. 517 00:45:09,119 --> 00:45:15,639 I was having so many problems with like nightmares and stuff by then, 518 00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:20,880 like I tried my best to just forget about it. That's how most people 519 00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,880 would have responded. Do you see a time coming, Monty when you're going 520 00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:27,559 to be able to head back into the woods and actually have a good time 521 00:45:27,599 --> 00:45:34,760 out there? Hopefully soon, Hopefully soon. Like I said on the last 522 00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:38,320 show, after we talked the first time, I wanted to push myself to 523 00:45:39,639 --> 00:45:47,239 you know, to go into the woods and feel okay. And I got 524 00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:52,679 maybe ten or fifteen feet into it, and I was pretty scared, but 525 00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:59,519 I didn't see anything. You know, it was daytime. I didn't see 526 00:45:59,519 --> 00:46:04,239 any you know, any kind of dangers or anything around it. It wasn't 527 00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,320 a hard spot to get out of, so like, you know, if 528 00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,239 something did happen, you know, I could get out of there really pretty 529 00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:15,960 quick. But I want to be able to go in the future and be 530 00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,280 able to go on hikes and stuff. I mean, I used to go 531 00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:22,599 hiking and stuff all the time, and I'm not much of a hunter, 532 00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,679 so you know, getting out there and hunting really isn't my thing. But 533 00:46:27,079 --> 00:46:31,559 I am a fisherman, and there's not there's not a lot of places that 534 00:46:31,639 --> 00:46:36,639 you can go fishing where there's not woods close by. So you know that 535 00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:42,320 right there is that that has really put a damper on my fishing. You 536 00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:46,920 know, I haven't I haven't really fished anywhere near the woods for forever. 537 00:46:49,039 --> 00:46:51,880 Not being able to go into the woods again is put a damper on a 538 00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:55,119 lot of things that you would like to do. But baby steps, baby 539 00:46:55,199 --> 00:46:59,320 steps, Hope you take your time. Don't try to get back into the 540 00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,800 woods too quickly. Please do take your time and hope eventually you do get 541 00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:06,840 to the point where you can go back into the woods and enjoy yourself. 542 00:47:07,559 --> 00:47:09,880 Well, let's talk about your YouTube channel now, Monty, please tell us 543 00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:19,199 more about it. Okay, Well, my YouTube channel is called Unexplained Creature 544 00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:27,079 Encounters. I basically in the future want to mainstream it down to a little 545 00:47:27,119 --> 00:47:31,840 bit less of a wide variety of what I've got. Now. I've got 546 00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:37,119 several things on there. I've got a top three, I've got a top 547 00:47:37,199 --> 00:47:44,119 ten cryptids that you've you might not have ever heard of. I talk about 548 00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:49,199 the Oakland creature of Nebraska, and I've got my own encounter on there, 549 00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:52,280 and it's got some visuals on there that will help explain some of these things 550 00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:57,360 that happen to me on that first encounter. Some visuals on there to, 551 00:47:58,079 --> 00:48:01,679 you know, to really help with that. It's basically just about cryptids. 552 00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:08,000 I'm not branching out too far off of that, and I've just started it 553 00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:17,159 about seven months ago and I've got I think six or seven videos. Yeah, 554 00:48:17,199 --> 00:48:22,119 I've got seven total. Like I said, now, if you listen 555 00:48:22,159 --> 00:48:27,679 to the first one, the top ten cryptids You've never heard of, please 556 00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:31,880 excuse the audio on that. That was the very first video that I've ever 557 00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:36,880 made, and I had the audio kind of jacked up a little bit. 558 00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:43,320 But the other videos I dialed it in and it's a lot more easier on 559 00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:49,880 the ears. But I appreciate you. You mentioned in that VIC, Oh 560 00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,280 you're welcome. Yeah, listen to three of your shows last night in bed. 561 00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:59,000 I was impressed. Well, I wanted to mention real quick before we 562 00:48:59,159 --> 00:49:05,199 end thing that if you've had a crypted encounter, no matter where you are, 563 00:49:06,079 --> 00:49:12,360 how you are, it doesn't matter, email me at Unexplained Creature Encounters 564 00:49:12,679 --> 00:49:19,159 at gmail dot com and email me with your encounter and I will feature your 565 00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:24,360 encounter on my show. On my channel. I'm looking for people out there 566 00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:31,000 that has had any kind of cryptied encounters, bigfoot dog man, any kind 567 00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:37,760 of weird experiences. I want to try to stay away from UFO encounters. 568 00:49:37,039 --> 00:49:40,320 I want to make a different channel for that. But this is going to 569 00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:45,679 be based totally on encryptids. So if you've had a en crypted encounter out 570 00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:50,119 there, let me know, come to the channel, leave a comment or 571 00:49:50,199 --> 00:49:54,400 email me. Please don't forget to subscribe as well. That's right, thank 572 00:49:54,440 --> 00:50:00,679 you. Oh, you're welcome. As a recording a show about CRYPTI, 573 00:50:00,679 --> 00:50:04,119 it's been helpful when it comes to you dealing with your own experiences with them. 574 00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:10,199 It actually has especially me put my own encounter out there. That one 575 00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:16,320 was the most reluctant video that I put out. I actually had that recorded 576 00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:22,440 for quite some time before I even released it. That was the very very 577 00:50:22,519 --> 00:50:27,559 first video that i'd even scripted out. I mean it was all scripted out, 578 00:50:27,639 --> 00:50:34,360 ready to go and everything just sitting there, and I decided to put 579 00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:37,880 out a top ten to see, you know, how that went with the 580 00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:43,840 viewers and everything, and it actually went over very very nicely. And then 581 00:50:44,159 --> 00:50:50,519 I put the encounter, my encounter out there, and all all the comments 582 00:50:50,559 --> 00:50:55,199 and everything was very very kind, and it does it. It kind of 583 00:50:55,239 --> 00:51:04,840 helps me put everything into effective and it reminds me that I'm in here in 584 00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:08,559 front of a computer. I'm not out in the woods doing this, not 585 00:51:08,639 --> 00:51:15,519 quite yet anyway. But it is kind of a therapy. That's really good 586 00:51:15,559 --> 00:51:17,760 news. That's always a plus. Yeah. Oh, and I wanted to 587 00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:22,199 mention real quick on one of the videos. It's called top three Rare Cryptigs. 588 00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:25,519 You probably didn't know about if you look at the thumbnail. Now, 589 00:51:25,559 --> 00:51:30,119 that's all my art. I was the one who did that whole picture. 590 00:51:30,519 --> 00:51:37,960 There's a tatselworm on the thumbnail. That is good art. What's about time 591 00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:39,440 for us to get out of here in Monte But before we do, do 592 00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:44,480 you have any close in comments you'd like to share? Well, I would 593 00:51:44,519 --> 00:51:50,159 just like to say thank you to all the people that commented on our last 594 00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:58,400 video. There were so many comments that were very kind and thoughtful, and 595 00:51:58,519 --> 00:52:04,800 I just wanted to say thank you to everybody out there that comment and I 596 00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:08,679 mean everybody who watched that. I wanted to thank you. Like I told 597 00:52:08,679 --> 00:52:13,119 you, a lot of good people listen to the show and it's always appreciated 598 00:52:13,119 --> 00:52:16,559 how much they support the eyewitnesses. So yeah, it was pretty nice. 599 00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:22,079 Definitely. I couldn't believe how many people had even commented on it. It 600 00:52:22,159 --> 00:52:27,679 was it blew my mind, to be honest with you, Well, yeah, 601 00:52:27,679 --> 00:52:30,480 you made an impression on them, and for good reason. Yeah. 602 00:52:30,559 --> 00:52:35,719 I just hope that anybody out there that has one of these encounters that come 603 00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:40,079 forward. You know, the process of me meeting you and talking to you 604 00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:45,239 before the shows and talking in between the shows, you know, that was 605 00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:50,559 a nice thing that came along with this interview. I just wanted to thank 606 00:52:50,599 --> 00:52:55,159 you personally for that. You know, it really has helped me to process 607 00:52:55,679 --> 00:53:05,719 everything and get back to life as normal. I just wanted to give a 608 00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:08,320 personal thanks to you, Vic, and I appreciate that. Thank you. 609 00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:12,920 You know, you're welcome. Yeah, that's why I do this. Well 610 00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,159 Whyty, I can't thank you enough for coming on and sharing those experiences. 611 00:53:15,199 --> 00:53:21,199 And thanks again some my true time, no problem. I enjoyed it. 612 00:53:21,199 --> 00:53:24,480 It's been a great time. Thanks again so much, and have a great night.