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Welcome to the Seafood Matters podcast,
a voice for the UK fishing industry.

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I'm your host, Jim Cowie.
Having over sixty years hands on experience in

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the seafood industry. I've owned fishing
boats, processed and exported fish and auctioned

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fish, and numerous fish markets.
Over the last twenty years, I've been

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the owner chef of the highly awarded
Captain's Galley Seafood restaurant in Scrabstead in the

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far north of Scotland. Now it's
time to introduce you to fishermen, seafood

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chefs, fishery scientists and industry leaders
that I have worked with along the way.

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That's an Astorian books and belonging to
stay. We've watched the new harbor

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getting built in boats sort of a
few boats about any timely. I can

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remember maybe about one hundred people in
the island, but there was four hundred

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and ninety five in the late nineteenth
century. Four hundred eighth it's just short

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of four hundred, and I don't
know how they must have made a living

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from the code or the fishing or
whatever. They were catching a lowful lot

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of cold. My grandfather's landed his
fish twice, ay, maybe thirty one

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hundred due tell a code. They
doing that twice a d you know,

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there's just no moment. The love
of them. Well, they sought that

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a lot of them and they were
away to London or Orney wherever gym.

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Either there's Orkney shops and never mind
them come in, but there's floating shops

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coming. They throw them up for
more. They played strows, and they

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swopped the fish for the lobsters,
for groceries and whatever, you know,

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eggs, and they could barterer with
you for a hen's meal and clothes,

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and that used to float and to
throw on just anchor up one. Then

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we're saying one at the south saying
they go week about their month. Whatever

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the game. I thought it was
only the one that. No, there's

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one at the north end. Two. God, there replete a boats there

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too. The lighthouse beer, what
was it ever classed? That was the

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island? The only Caithness Island's in
it. It's the only Caithness island.

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What is what is storma stand for
storma stands it's north for island in the

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tide, the island and the tide. Let's see, Oh my god,

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it's all Norse. Names. There's
two names of Stroma and nobody could tell

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me where they came from. They
were like a gallic scare gut and it's

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spelt like the gallic scare gut is
one that's at the northeast corner and the

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o there is a scare gut A
sorry, it's scarbyan you know thet there

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whatever, it's a scare gup is
a bit of grind between the were Saint

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Pierre and the northeast corner and the
other one the scare me and that's a

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wee rock at the at the corner
there you see you from the mainland there.

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But that's the only two names that
everyone else is an orthtrick possible quality

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like whale you. And it's funny
that there's garlic. Nobody thought it wasn't

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it was connected. Nobody's every thinks
it's not connected to the garlic at all

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for some reason. That that's the
only two names are lake at the eye

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and you went to school there.
I went to school there and then I

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went to high school and gym.
I three years there. But there's one

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of my teacher in storm. I
was an auntie and there was my father

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and five sisters who were all all
the teachers. There are all teachers in

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teach shape who were in the high, high school and social here, and

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they were taught down and Glasgow wherever. You know. The youngest one would

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say, Diny, she was a
teacher in Dunbeast for a lot of years,

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retired there as you taught years and
years and dumbastic, They're all he

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must have growing up with your father
family. And sure there must have been

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a great knowledge just built in with
the tides and oh there's you know,

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I thinks you're handed down. I'm
sure for hundreds of years. Yeah,

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hundreds of years. GM. I
mean I know myself, don't I when

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I'm just going to book my day
depending on different parts of the situations that

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you're in. Yeah, with the
sky, h I'm seventy four shortly,

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and I still would say that anything
that I when I'm looking at us planet

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or stars or anything connected with Naviga
sing like that, it's my father at

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from Oh it's all handed doing that, honestly, Thank god they did a

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great knowledge of it. We got
to we were done at head one night.

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We used to fish done a head
a lot, and we were coming

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home in the pogue and the polue
came down before we got home. So

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we went to Harror Harbor at Flow
the castle and meet we harbor in there.

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We to go in there att ten
o'clock at night because we couldn't see

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the island where we came to.
And there wait till four in the morning

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to the daylight came back and then
we're left to itself. Thick bog alber

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head was a compass. We found
ourselves home then in the morning at four

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o'clock. But my mother she was
stuck on Stroma on her own at a

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stage, and she didn't know we
downed or where the eight way where she

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was. She was there on her
own and we were in another. Wee

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harbored and couldn't get home. You
know. It was that is It was

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a lot a lot of people lost. No religion there was they not.

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There was four for us lost at
the going to the they were found they

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head of Whiskey still customs command caught
them taking the court and ority and the

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four of them were drowned going to
the court. The gale get up.

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Now. The other one was the
board of Duncan's Way. There were three

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men lost. There were one was
sixteen year old, like they were.

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The story goes they were racing home, but they had landed up on the

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board of Duncan's Way and they were
drowned. There there's a boat an engine

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that the boat was picked up the
next morning of Duncan's wayhead. He was

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before the engine had rumbled out through
the botman here she was slow and then

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we know votman a row engine.
That's the only deaths that I remember.

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There's a a fishing boat lost the
Pentan Scaries, but his neighbor picked him

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up. And you know what happened
it It took a wee roll. It's

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so full of cord. They took
a wee roll and shipped the water and

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the boat sank, and the other
boat picked them up and landed them on

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the pent And Scaries and the light
escape keepers gave them dry clothes and they

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got into the other boat. All
butt home in the one boat. But

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they lost the boat. Like a
load of code. There wasn't there was

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very few people they lost an eb
scene like now, it's amazing because you're

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saying that it was the strongest currents
in the world almost it's the Navy recorded

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for I remember them sense about fourteen
to fifteen knots between the lighthouse at straw

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On a swelky point and the lights
on swown up on the dark tale there

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just out in the in the middle
there there's fourteen or fifteen knots at tide

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and it's just it's horendous. They
can't. I've heard boats trying to go

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through the first and no movie.
It's a day so and stop that carry

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on. But I mean, that's
that's fast, that's that's a fast.

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That's fast. But I'm wondering for
terrible, terrible. I went round the

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lights who were down with the lifeboat
looking for auble. It broke them down

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and it had gone right through and
it and the payment scaries eventually, but

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we were doing thirty one notes going
around the lightless. The boat was doing

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nineteen. But there's another toil then
and they with a cover of the video

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thirty one tiger poles are passing teeth
and there was a boat a shure there

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boats there was at boats, Jim, I was no cargo ship or something.

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Oh here that was later on after
they that day, Betina Danaka,

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that's the story was it. He
fell asleep and he was right up the

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back of Strow and that's how he's
heading out the way from it when he

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he hit the tab at the southwest
corner there three years old up boat.

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I mean, it's obviously given you
a colossal knowledge based on on the tides

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of that, because I've been a
long time in Scamster as well, and

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I know i've been there for man. Yes, yes, when they would

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call you and ask you going through
the things that must be such a dangerous

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there's sometimes to call me up and
they say it's it's kind of rock should

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be going through Scott up going through
boys tider to keep going through the other

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end. You know, they around
the south end of either doesn't make a

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difference which way they go with different
they're looking for a better passage to a

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watherygeon. That's you know it can
be. Can you get better passages going?

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Usually you had to back in the
place he went the guy dear,

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dear. I quite often seen boats
when they're going west. I'll be right

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close into the it's close into the
coast. Is that it's far more the

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advantageous to go to the Aliot Soroma. There's no tide here. It's going

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the other way with you there you
breaks on the island and it's there's no

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tide inside there at all. The
egg tide. The big area, the

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west sid Astroma, they were the
the bit gun Norse it is called the

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Langbert and the wee bitgoing south is
called the sous bird. There it's you

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know, it's different names I had. I'll tell you who was lying in

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the area the west Cerastroma was there
was Gunter Preen went in and sank the

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royal oak. He was lying with
his periscope dep there hiding there called the

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darkness condemned. Honestly, it's in
his book I've read. I'll continue.

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It's a dead he lays, he
lay underwater periscope dates they waiting for the

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darkness there that they wasted us so
never seen that. The new scapaprool then

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and he brought the royal open.
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It's got a when the flood comes
onto first, it's it runs not

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such a good area, but once
it makes an edy. And we're saying

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it's called the paracu the first inside
eddy there no day. I've never known

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why it's called everybody called it.
Alista called it a feracue the the south,

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saying, then it's just called the
wasted. That's the funny thing about

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the tide. The tide is called
the drets and it's going in the wind

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is car all the directions coming from
Okay, right, get westerly wind that's

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coming from the west. You get
a west tide. It's gone west.

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And I've heard quite often it's probably
what it's worst than the first is it?

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If you get wind against tide,
oh terrible to my up would create

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that board of dunk. It's been
a easterly wind and a swale and the

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tide going into then the flood tide
and the other shides. But the merry

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men away. It goes all the
way to Tornes. There's the west of

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the wind, saying, if you
could almost see the line of the merry

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men of May, oh, absolutely, tim you'll see the tide the whole

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time. Any swell at all.
The guy yeah, seen us coming home

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to the west. That broke the
area and would come down there and we'll

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still be own. But a running
there would have to leave it. The

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mountains a caesar which is waiting till
the tide stalk and it was flat like

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the It's funny, you know,
well you'll probably relate to this. I

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remember my father asking my father one
time when we were younger about the pedal

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and first and just who maybe it
was. He'd wait quick, what absolutely

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he was? And you know how
we described it. This is the best

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made to describe it for him was
look at a boiling port, would say.

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I would say, he never put
any more real than that used to

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call it. We used to leave
it three in the morning to get waste

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before the plant tied him on three
o'clock in the morning, and you got

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the a tide waste all the way
with you. You know, he used

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to see no shoot, so shut
off. It happens now. But very

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often you would get boats that are
fishing the west and they were coming through

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east would commit the scrabster and wait
through the tide. Would that would that

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amount of hours staying in scrubs they
would not save them anything. Well,

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they save them the fuel of steaming
through there through there in an hour,

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but if they steam through it be
hours hours hours steaming start to be.

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In fact, I've heard of them
the coasters coming and they were they realized

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they we're getting to the pers the
strong tide, but they'd ease the boat

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doing a bit so it would be
eased by the then bot here. I've

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also heard that some of the big
ships community to the North America going to

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like a rotterdam. The tubel is
a much more dangerous we do with sail

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with there's so many, so much
shipping, but a lot of them do

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that. I have to avoid the
tide. Yes, I'm sure. The

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World Firth, Yeah, it's it's
a pure it's obviously world by seagoing people.

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Oh my god, it's so it's
let's see, it's renowned for for

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the dangerousness of it that. You
know. We were hauling creams one night,

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one one the morning at they just
waste the lights and the this fishing

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boat came down and its sad tide
and he came down and his head came

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up to the tide, the main
tide, and he just would save the

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lightness. And he didn't even realize
it, you know, but if he

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turned them round right round about there
at the age of the tide and it's

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quick, this is broad daylight with
no weather, you know, that's quite

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dangerous. Again. Another thing I've
heard you say in the in the top

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chap something. Do you know we
were brought up and thinking it's six tide

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six hours to command half an hour
hours there's always an hour it slacks up

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and six hours. But I've heard
you saying that's that doesn't go in the

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first the storm has got an hour
a difference between the south end and the

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north end. The beacon there it
will be slacked, they say. The

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seats flood tide and when it comes
high water the tide looked stopped at the

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beating, but still roaring at the
lighthouse. You know, I mean,

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what's that I'll know? Be a
mile? Is it? It's about a

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couple of miles, like it's maybe
just over a couple of miles, But

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that's an hour a difference here in
that two miles. When you think of

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it, it's only about three or
four hours. Is from scrubs the high

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water the storma lighthouse is the same
as high water and wick. That's when

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it tracks there at the high water. Within it's a funny, funny old

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place. I remember when my father
was at the sea and it's tight books.

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It would go by straight am,
I they would they would go by

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obviously Helms though wasn't on the books. There was a constant for it then,

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Yeah, Liverpool, Yes, that's
true that they will never forget that

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they would follow the tide for Liverpool. It's so funny. You should see

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Liverpool because Liverpool goes for the waist
in the middle of the first year.

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Yeah, it's funny. And I
on the East coast, it would be

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something very summer, you know,
like a wink and no hard beyond it.

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The guy and there is anything to
do with the closeness between the land

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between me and I would say,
so it's an arrow us there. It's

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like the Atlantic trying to get into
the North Sea. Demon snow got the

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room that will build up, build
up. The other thing that this makes

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it build up at this end down
at Stroma where the horizon Paul will be

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nine feet, but Scrabster here may
about nineteen feet. You know, this

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is this is Arise and Paul the
maximum. You know, so what would

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that it could be about nineteen twenty
feet and scrabs a nine aroma. That's

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you know all that things to be, you know, it's all passing from

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generations u things that obviously you're quite
sure maybe a generation or two before yourself.

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All that would be this this stars
and that's right, my dear,

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dear. I remember I used to
think it was quite funny when these to

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talk about like in neither Nature programs, You'll go for you whatever, they

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will be talking about the importance in
the sun. Yes, yes, yes,

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you know, okay, we need
the sun to get warmth. A

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fear that he was more interested in
the moon. Very interesting that maybe because

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that was the time. Oh,
that's what they put the ties in the

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go. You know, you get
your neat tide and your spring tide.

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The neap is when the two two
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But when they're both pulling in the
one line, they're getting the spring type.

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They're both pulling together. Okay,
they you know, they think he's

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dear, dear. It's a funny
old game to learn adult. It's fascinating,

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you know, there's a thing that
happened to me, John And I've

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asked scientists, science teachers, all
kinds of people that I thought, and

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fishermen. And we were we were
in the middle of London, the family

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from father driving my mother and the
passenger seat, three kids in the back,

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my brother, and my sister and
myself. A younger brother had been

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born with them, but the three
of us in the back, and I'll

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never forget we were right, all
four popular in London, lost lost our

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way some navigator and you know,
I'll never forget it till my dying day.

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My father said he was just looking
up at the windscreen and he said,

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if I could just see the sun, I would know what side of

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the Thames I was on. I've
never met anybody able to explain to me,

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Oh that's a good one. Could
that just sounds a great day,

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mark for getting, a mark,
signal for getting in an it's you know,

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nobody, nobody has been able to
tell me. And that's not the

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case. When he was in the
world, I would say that you think

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there's a danger. And if he
you would say to the terms he was,

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Oh sure, sure he would have
got God, they would they would

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know all this signals and signs of
things. Yeah. Yeah, So what

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way in your life did you actually
leave Strama eighteen years old? And if

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Jim I made it. Wait,
before I left Somaic, you met your

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will you do you stay at the
fishing Yes? Yes, And I remember

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I remember as a fisherman. Yes, that's right, Jim. I oh

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Gosha susted it passion all my life
was sorry And when I mean you were

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a coach when of the local life
book. When at what stage was that?

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I was in my twenties, when
I would say the twenty late twenties

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when a Dwty cops and second corpses
joked you man, I was in the

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lakebook for twenty three years there.
But we did a rescue and stroma of

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the bear Leese passionly worked. When
we're there ourselves. The ease is the

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name of it. They were.
They struck me the nessa duncans be there.

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We left my mother gret a base
seven o'clot and I mor it's a

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favery morning I and she says there
must be some activity. There are lights

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and things over there. So we
never did breakfast around and we just went

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in case of rending in saved or
helped or whatever. We went down there

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and we're rescued for a crew.
As about I end up in the breakfast

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with the boats, and all of
that boat was up with they. We

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had breakfast with them, and that
was in nineteen sixty one. And when

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I was in the ice plant work. And I always talked to myself,

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I wonder, say, spears fishing
boats are all time. You were taking

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them in their sail report and they
were all coming out of the scraps at

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the time, and I said,
I must as somebody if they know any

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of this, it's people. So
I board the Granny the greeny aboard it,

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and that says, I took doing
a boat group with this four guys.

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This is the any and if you
know about that, he says,

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they're from our village. Well the
guy good god, I said, you

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know bigs, Yes, this is
really from their boat. The Granica was

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the Eric was a scippard, it
was. It was one of his,

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the creemen in the su Yes,
I came I anyway, he says.

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There. He says, if you
see the the new boat, the boat

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coming in, it's them. The
chief engineering is is the he'll be in

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with the boat. So he says, ask that boat put the put there,

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but they put them. If he
knew bick and see. So he

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says. The skipper says to me, this guy is not on board.

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But he says, I'll tell him
to see you when he comes in or

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come down next trip. My god. The next trip, this guy come

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over and thank me for rescuing them
hacking the yack of something. He come

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over and thank me. He thank
me for rescuing them. Guys. You

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know, yeah, I thought I
used to enjoy dealing with the fears.

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I just thought we had so much
in common that there was one guy I'll

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never forget. You're talking about tides
earlier. He was They used to They

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had no landing gear, so we
used to land them. Were Koreans,

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Skreans, so they were just and
they would come moa away to the pub

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and we would be discharging the fish. And when he came back or the

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next day, oh, he was
in an awful state. Early move,

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so assist him. This is what's
the nurse's wrong. So he came back

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from the pub, not aware of
the rise. There's no they have no

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good the rise and fall of the
time. They don't even bother in Pharaohs.

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You're seeing this the hardy tire ladder. Yeah, so he came back

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from the cab, just walked off
the pier and dropped them be twenty feet

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under the deck of the boat.
So, oh, he was just an

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awful steal. So I was up
in the theater. It was no long

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after that, and I met his
cousin and I asked a sister him.

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He says, how did your your
cousin get on? When he arrived home?

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He says, well, he says, it was actually quite funny.

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He said he was getting he was
in the bedroom, he was getting ready

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for bed, and he's taking his
clothes off. And his wife looked and

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says, my goodness, what happened
to you? There? He was black

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and blue, all Duke one said. And he turned his wife and he

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says, it's nothing. He says, the drug. We've got a big

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sea, it's against the wheelis eating
there there there there. But thinking back

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of the tides and that that must
have been a huge help to you and

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the lifebook. Your knowledge of the
Alexa stow. You didn't go anywhere,

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and they said, tidy, you
went to go over, But to go

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to the Alexa light boat you had
to go at any rate. It was

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all knowledge. Yeah. Maybe the
light boat was called work and you had

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to go. Regardless of what.
We were going to the light bulb and

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everybody else was making hop you know. We in the restaurant for twenty years.

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Galley and I was right in front. You know, you're right in

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front of it. Yes, yes, And of course if anybody was eating

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in the restaurant when they got the
shout, and they got a shout,

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the cars were arriving and people diving
on board. I used to always say

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that any customer was obviously the we're
all to see it. This is new

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to them. Yeah. I always
made the point that says, when all

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that lad's gonna shoot and he says
they're going helpfully to get there, That

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says there's only one thing. They
don't consider themselves. That's it. It's

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just you go regardless, like you
know, yeah, you probably you probably

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don't know what they're going to see. You don't you know what you're going

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to come across some and some not
A good JA must be a you know,

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they're they're your knowledge of that time
must have been good, fantastic,

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But it would all they have to
deal with it eventually, you know,

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thank God to say, as I
say, some of them end it good,

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but some of them were not good. You know, that's for life

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saving they yeah, life. He's
saying about all the details of and I

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finished with the book Certificate of Service. Well try to place up in your

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wallfly so as well. It's exodusery, but you enjoy that thing. Say,

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I'll tell you one thing about the
light book. People ask me what

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do you think about people that are
swimming or whatever? They says. Of

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course, one thing you don't do
is ask them what their religion is.

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Regardless of what he is, he
needs to be rescued. You know,

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you can't ask a guy in the
water if you're if you're a Christianer,

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a Roman Catholic or whatever, you
know, you rescue it. Yeah,

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you know, you know what I
mean. He was back back and tell

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you a week quick story about your
great granite. They come in one night

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they land and as says, they
spoke to some of the guys that I

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knew their faces like that. Says
to one guy, this is in my

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best sphere. We have you much
history night and he says, I'm from

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these new got pipe married and appears
a slightly different day story London. We

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landed aboard, got his tannage and
his price. So I was I went

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down and giving his tally shm A. She crossed, and he was okay,

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thank you and whatnot. And then
I went back up to the office

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and was ever Lassie Jane was working
in the office. She says, oh,

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you've made a mistake here. He
says, what sort of mistakes?

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She says, Oh, you've short
you've shortened. He's your short changed him.

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He said he's got more fish.
So we made the new tally up

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and I went back down. I
got the skipper and then he's broken English.

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Here's me standing and the pier saying, can I get tally tally tally?

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Sorry, didn't understand he said,
sales sales note a paper paper and

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he's no making it to any of
it. I'm saying, I'm made a

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mistake, error, error, error, mistake, no understanding any of it.

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And after about five or ten minutes, I said, look, I'm

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sorry, I made a mistake,
and you're entitled to more money. More

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money. He was right away,
Oh, they're good. You understand that

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that way. That's that's funny when
you say it with the high high hello

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one. And that's once when it
came off the guy come off worst with

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it because you, I mean,
when you think of the drop twenty feet

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when I'm decking a boat, one
good thing would have helped and he would

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have been well socialed, so pick
a painkiller. But I remember a time

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John spoken about it. I remember
myself and you would have probably been one

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of many situations. The Donald mackay
Starr as we called him at a time,

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well known local fisherman and just a
frightening thing. We heard that he

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actually broke down his engine stopped in
the first which I just thought was frightening.

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On the they were saying so at
the time, and there's something like

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twelve to fourteen not time. Yeah, And I remember speaking to yourself,

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turned quite cool, can't in collective
and said, well he won't hit stroke?

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Never had it told him whenever the
tie hits it there it's out the

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way it goes, it bounces off
the island. In other words, you

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know, would he hit a rock
or would he just hit nothing? No?

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Never that well he didn't. That
pund scariest is the same. I

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think they got him in the North
Sea. It's waste he was going to

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time it was on there. I'll
tell you how any Billy Cracker was aboard

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him. Dollars a cream bully.
That's right, Billy, you were on

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board him for a while. We
used to used to gut fish for him

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in the harbor and they come in. Okay, I can remember you fishing

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and the help. So both silver
stars, soldier's jobbing, Willy Joey that

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was WILLI that will be James's father
father. They were in boards. They

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were both board. Yeah. Well
Willie's mother and my father's mother or sisters.

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Never yeah, nice people. They
were droppy. We were cowy,

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but yes, yes, mothers,
I see there was relations. They were

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dusk good to me and hills.
They were nice people. There were decent

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people. Was a fine soul and
said Willie, didn't I say very much

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at all. Good fisherman. Yeah, but I think before the new boats

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said the new boat said like a
twin Derek at the steiring, like a

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were taking the fishing board and all
they had a mask before this and a

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bloke at the top and they took
that much to bring a left put the

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mask down through the cabin and I
mind, I'm telling me to get back

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to Stormware and never totally. But
the Morland pools there in the time gym.

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No, there's bad ones there.
The one's the scoot that's starting,

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that's one of them. That's where
the graveyard is as southeast corner and there's

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one at the Scary Whale which is
at the east side of the beacon there,

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and the other one is the rip
on the west side of it with

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flood died, and the most dangerous
one is the fluky the rights. That's

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all treatuous for fall boats. Were
you still on the lifeboat when you were

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working on the ice one? Yes, I was there. Yeah, yes,

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we went over to the we went
over to the name of a long

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Hopefe boats there and I had to
leave the leave the mister Simpson to look

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after the ice here for me.
Yes, it's still in it. There's

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a funny saying. I'm sure you
know exactly that when the but the new

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Peer and Strama everybody sailed off.
The people were saying that they've gotten an

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ends for a price pay every week
now better getting on the mainland. But

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I don't know if that was too
And Stroma island and the well, I

404
00:36:32,079 --> 00:36:37,800
thought it was Ireland, and the
stream with it being strong Strama island in

405
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:44,239
the stream is the Norwegian name for
it for thron, so yeah's say that's

406
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:50,280
the name for it. Orty sometimes
have it as one of their islands.

407
00:36:51,519 --> 00:36:58,079
They have no chance. It's the
only island, the Blos the only island.

408
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:05,280
Yeah, there's stories that's in some
of the books I have about they

409
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,360
when the Norwegian's came. It was
about five thousand years ago that they were

410
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:16,840
there. You know, I remember
our son Ashley a lot. I'm sure

411
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:22,199
the study on research and research on
making. I mean, this was a

412
00:37:22,679 --> 00:37:28,119
have been a center for Yes,
yes, the Norwegians. They were everywhere

413
00:37:28,119 --> 00:37:32,400
they were. They were as far
south as the island Man and yeah everywhere

414
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:38,559
that west coasters still yeah, yeah, so you would you would have seen

415
00:37:38,599 --> 00:37:45,679
a lot of boats either coming east
or west, all the thing, all

416
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:49,880
the thing. I think for some
reason, Thursday used to be a favorite

417
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:57,079
day for a lot of shipping past
over and stomach okay, east and west,

418
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:00,400
you know, for even as a
kid they missed an exciting it was

419
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:06,000
a great great Toby the spye glass
on them see which one it was,

420
00:38:06,119 --> 00:38:07,960
and when he went past, and
then we watched for it coming back again

421
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:12,280
from the continent or whatever. You
know, it's that's a great day,

422
00:38:13,679 --> 00:38:19,599
great hobere And would you ever get
the stage when regular maybe local fishing boats

423
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,400
could they'd be quite far away and
you would know who it was to get

424
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:31,639
the number and with boat you know
we neither numbers. Yeah, I don't

425
00:38:31,639 --> 00:38:35,599
suppose that would have mattered whether it
was I, N S or B C

426
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,079
one of them. Monday morning.
Used to see them all come ring duncans.

427
00:38:39,119 --> 00:38:42,480
We just have cleat the boats.
You can really walk on them,

428
00:38:42,559 --> 00:38:49,920
you know, they're just yeah,
they're all making waist. But there were

429
00:38:50,119 --> 00:38:53,880
there were smaller boats at temple sites
with there. You see when a boat

430
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:59,840
did go ashore, how would how
would that have happened? When the way

431
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:04,320
the time kept them off will just
be too close. They've steamed on.

432
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:08,320
If you stop them, they'll all
touch anything. He's steaming. I do

433
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:13,079
believe that's what happened to the Kathy
either kitchener that went and the painting scaries.

434
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,400
They was splitting on the main island
and he was south and he stemmed

435
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:21,960
the tide there and couldn't get up
through it. I did stop the boat.

436
00:39:22,039 --> 00:39:24,880
He'd be okay, but this is
what they maintained steaming there. But

437
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:30,760
he went inside on atop the island
there, but he was steaming trying to

438
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:35,719
get wearer there. Remember going back
a long time now, I'm sure you'll

439
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:43,480
remember. I'm doing a sandy bous
was it the celerity? Oh, Sandy

440
00:39:44,119 --> 00:39:50,639
you Sandy will He was lost in
all hands and the whole lot on the

441
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:57,400
first nineteen eighty three or eight before
and he just drove down. I just

442
00:39:57,599 --> 00:40:02,599
drove down. Well, that'd be
just went against tide or the wind was

443
00:40:02,639 --> 00:40:08,039
with him, and I'll see what
happened there out in the middle of the

444
00:40:08,079 --> 00:40:13,800
person. I know exactly where it
happened because the book he mean totally.

445
00:40:14,679 --> 00:40:20,679
And it was about five miles north
of done It Head. Now the Crystal

446
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:24,679
River was steaming with him, and
he was inside where the flood was down

447
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:30,800
there but a tide of ryan for
three hours more than inside heavy swell there

448
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:37,280
with the why when he got into
that there the the just the very last

449
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:39,800
of the tied there and it was
just for rendous seas. It was,

450
00:40:42,079 --> 00:40:45,239
I mean the other boat that was
inside, the other boat that was inside.

451
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:50,039
He was only about a mile or
when you say the crystal was at

452
00:40:50,079 --> 00:40:52,440
Peter Smith, No, I kind
of went to the guy was it was?

453
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:57,880
It was before at the gym.
I I kind of made the skipper's

454
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:04,760
name. It was Smith mind Peter
Eye a long time whether hear the Crystal

455
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:09,639
River. It was a long timeson
yes, on the venture now, oh

456
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:15,840
yes, he started well, he
left his father boat and went to see

457
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:22,440
with Peter Smith. Yea Peter,
and they go, this is this is

458
00:41:22,559 --> 00:41:24,440
some other crystal. This's a b
a boat. I think it was.

459
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:30,719
Okay, I kind of may discover
frame. But they were This is as

460
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:34,280
you were speaking before, but the
time in different places, at different times.

461
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:38,440
This is what happened. The flood
tide was down inside, it was

462
00:41:38,519 --> 00:41:42,920
making east the plug type. But
out there where Sandy Bruce was, he

463
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,639
must have stayed. Oh it's all
blood tide. I'll get down to it.

464
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:49,360
But he must have mistaken that bit
of water there. I don't know,

465
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:57,039
but I remember hearing from different fishermen
speaking about it afterwards that it was

466
00:41:58,079 --> 00:42:04,079
he was classed as somebody and the
first Sandy was well acquainted that person.

467
00:42:04,119 --> 00:42:07,639
I just don't know. He lost
his boat. So it just shows how

468
00:42:07,039 --> 00:42:12,280
no matter how aquain. Yeah,
Andy says to me, we sold the

469
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,079
Diligent, but they hand before that
and the Dilegence. You're an old old

470
00:42:15,119 --> 00:42:19,480
boat. And they said to me, we're getting rid of that old boat,

471
00:42:19,519 --> 00:42:22,639
getting a new boat up bright you'll
go on bits snippers. That's what

472
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:27,280
he said to me himself, Sandy
Bridge, it up, Sally, And

473
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,039
that's exactly that is. It's it's
the new boat. They got a dam.

474
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:37,440
They came from the Flanning Isles.
I think that night I think they

475
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:40,840
said she wasn't such a good boat. Wait, just a few fish inner

476
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:47,199
and I think their party boats are
Fishinger the That's what the buffer stream told

477
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:52,000
me. I think the boat I
remember it was lost, and I remember

478
00:42:52,119 --> 00:43:00,679
the skipper that was lost, like
Flip. His name was the an I

479
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:13,039
n s boat I won six with
a plot the Aquaria. He was no

480
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:20,400
kind of mind him there there there. Yeah, it's frightening really who I

481
00:43:20,519 --> 00:43:27,920
remember when on George Rob was lost
at Duncan's Bay. We were thrown.

482
00:43:30,119 --> 00:43:35,000
Yeah, well, my cousin they
was on the coast guard at the time,

483
00:43:35,639 --> 00:43:38,960
and he was saying that the lifeboats
were looking for them, the bodies,

484
00:43:39,679 --> 00:43:45,960
and they were couldn't have believe that
there were he there was a They've

485
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:49,559
seen a lot of lights and they
couldn't have believed that it would be small

486
00:43:50,039 --> 00:43:54,440
boats, lobster boats and that out
in such a poor night, and they

487
00:43:54,519 --> 00:44:00,400
only just discovered afterwards. It was
the life jackets of the crew. I

488
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:05,400
don't know that, George Robe.
Yeah, there was nobody floating about that.

489
00:44:05,559 --> 00:44:14,880
George Robe, I don't like it. Oh, they the coastguards had

490
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:19,360
a light shining from the brayhead on
it and they was seeing mcflashing of the

491
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,800
the somethings people fashion back. But
they realized afterwards it was the windows and

492
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:29,880
the thing. It was boat rolling
their gym man. I mind the Frenchman

493
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,239
that was also wrote he was the
string of lights. And they would see

494
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:38,880
there they were all individual made.
They were all floating way way life jackets

495
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:44,760
on and we lights. Yeah,
we were in Stowma that George Roman ashore

496
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:49,199
and he my father should something's happened
up there. We could smell the diesel

497
00:44:49,519 --> 00:44:53,480
and the coming down the wind.
We were about maybe five miles the northwest

498
00:44:53,519 --> 00:44:59,000
from it, and so we could
smell the diesel in the air. My

499
00:44:59,119 --> 00:45:01,559
father says, something happened there,
said their boat burst or sunk or something,

500
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:08,239
and it's the George rob was nobody
understood why he paraded off Wick all

501
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:13,320
day in the daylight hours. We
went down there at night. Ah,

502
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:16,119
I don't know what for a back
to the coat cards old I thought I

503
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:22,119
thought he had when he went between
the stacks, and that they missed the

504
00:45:22,199 --> 00:45:25,559
first. That was then other story
that came with right enough, Jim,

505
00:45:25,639 --> 00:45:29,960
I thought maybe it was dunking to
me they had seen the stack, thinking

506
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:31,280
he was seeing. But I don't
think you're seeing very much for the king

507
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:35,280
that night, there wasn't you know, the Long Hope life puts down,

508
00:45:35,679 --> 00:45:38,480
he wondered. Needle Stewart refused to
hope, which he was quite right.

509
00:45:39,639 --> 00:45:45,840
He couldn't get into the week by
here. There was a greed. There's

510
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:51,519
a great closeness between Long Hope and
oh God, I'd say, Jim,

511
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:58,239
oh, which even saw there,
it's not the Long Hope lifeboat passing strowa

512
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:00,880
going make him down? For it? Is that right? Oh, terrible,

513
00:46:02,039 --> 00:46:07,480
terrible like that in the long Hold
lifeboat itself was lost. We were

514
00:46:07,639 --> 00:46:13,639
on the lifeboat, the lifeboat then
he no, Jim, no, he

515
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:17,639
it was nineteen sixty nine that she
was lost. I remember after that.

516
00:46:19,159 --> 00:46:24,679
I remember seeing the upturned hill and
terrible line and terrible I was coming a

517
00:46:25,159 --> 00:46:31,360
tragedy. You want it that I
wear on the badges and one has the

518
00:46:31,639 --> 00:46:36,000
memorial to their long Hold black Boat
crew on it? Is that right,

519
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,760
that's the most important one that's on
it. The other one Thur Burdens and

520
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:46,360
various other thing, but one is
the their memorial. I remember when just

521
00:46:46,599 --> 00:46:54,760
in recent years when they had the
service for Kevin's sim that was lost.

522
00:46:55,599 --> 00:47:02,559
It was Ryan. Oh yes,
and the long beliefs would were over.

523
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:08,039
Oh they have a very close surgeon. I knew that. For us it

524
00:47:08,159 --> 00:47:12,280
was on a like book. We
used to go in the long boat to

525
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:22,320
my aunties here an auntie there.
H So so really as far as anything

526
00:47:22,159 --> 00:47:29,239
happening in the Pentland Firth was concerned, any accidents, so that it was

527
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:34,400
between the long note, yes,
the lifeboat. Yeah, so it's all

528
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:39,800
all them. That's in bold.
You know. Having said that, now

529
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:44,679
in this day and age, if
they'd had our self writer, they would

530
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:49,559
have still survived. It wasn't it
wasn't. It wasn't a self writing light

531
00:47:49,599 --> 00:47:57,440
book. They all saying the cool
see g B anymore. G GB was

532
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:00,119
the name of the light board.
That's that's the name of the right book.

533
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:07,599
Oh c I GB it was there, Okay, that would have been

534
00:48:07,639 --> 00:48:15,440
the donator somebody something that was it
always you know, it's donations now,

535
00:48:16,039 --> 00:48:22,360
amazing thing, and I find there's
there's a queue of people that's straight down.

536
00:48:23,599 --> 00:48:29,960
It's a funny system. You know. It's an amazing organization in l

537
00:48:30,039 --> 00:48:42,000
I anything would may be raising money
and there would be running. It's different

538
00:48:42,039 --> 00:48:45,199
to what it used to be all
together. Tell you what slovely is that

539
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:50,800
the monument that been with now no, yeah, goshious lovely you know,

540
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:52,519
I still going to visit that.
Have a bit at the names and but

541
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:58,960
be lovely. The size of it's
no everywhere it has one of them,

542
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:04,400
you know, I know, I
know Angland nor they call it. Some

543
00:49:04,519 --> 00:49:09,480
people say it's Angel and North.
I think it's a giving and giving the

544
00:49:09,559 --> 00:49:14,719
one hand and leaves him with the
other. I think that's you can get

545
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:20,360
something from it, but you can
lease. Yeah. Oh, it's a

546
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:23,960
lovely tool. But I think I
think the one thing that they're not the

547
00:49:24,079 --> 00:49:30,639
one thing, but I think the
thing that takes I mean, the responsible

548
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:38,559
sort of people that are using a
pedaling first is treating it will respect.

549
00:49:39,119 --> 00:49:43,639
Oh, for a cold sake,
am I Oh, I think it's the

550
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:50,000
only way to do a gyms treating
a respect. An Icelandic ship there when

551
00:49:50,039 --> 00:49:57,039
we stayed in the island, this
Icelandic ship he capsized up the likes of

552
00:49:57,159 --> 00:50:02,280
Stow roughly a mit it. But
he came down there and he didn't expect

553
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:08,079
any problem. But the boat turned
turtle and let's a it's an Aberdeen tower.

554
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:13,920
They picked them up the gym,
the crew, but they reckoned that

555
00:50:14,039 --> 00:50:17,280
the tide coming down the first of
the flood tide, and he was sitting

556
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:21,119
in the tide and when he made
one mate the other day the wreckoned the

557
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:24,639
capsized the boat there and so she
has she's wind up with northas when what

558
00:50:25,159 --> 00:50:30,400
one what? Well, he was
still in the tide meeting this new tide

559
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:36,960
coming down the inside the waist tide
that the flood time must have got in

560
00:50:37,079 --> 00:50:44,920
blows and threat they beat from blow
with jip. Oh none of that you

561
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,400
would see with the visual eye.
No, no, this is in broad

562
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:52,559
Dally the skipper of horses, he
knew or something wrong because he could see

563
00:50:52,599 --> 00:50:58,840
the Derek swinging it over the sidewalk
when she went. We heard them.

564
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:02,079
The skipberd had told the crew in
the tower and they picked them up.

565
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:06,599
Skipberard wife was on board and a
four year old son. They've got any

566
00:51:06,679 --> 00:51:09,480
life wrapped and the skipper says that
they've been playing cards, staying below the

567
00:51:09,559 --> 00:51:13,320
crew. And this is one guy
actually come in a life rapped with a

568
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:20,800
hand of cards in his hand.
Was that it wouldn't be a great hand

569
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:25,480
was happened in broad daily, and
I'll tell you how bad it was.

570
00:51:25,519 --> 00:51:29,840
There weren't much we see because we
were at that day, but it was

571
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:34,639
an orderly one. We were at
sea where a plenty support footboat. Yeah

572
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:42,519
you know that all remainds me going
back and for our appearance. And and

573
00:51:42,639 --> 00:51:47,119
it's a too very very sooth saying. And I always rings with me John

574
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:57,440
anytime as better as right up.
Anytime we would hear somebody lost, let's

575
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:04,639
see we had a crew man or
all hard absolutely and she would turn and

576
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:08,440
say that's the place of fish.
Oh, that's the true price of fishes,

577
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:14,239
he seating. Yes, I've heard
that same thing. Yeah, that's

578
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:17,840
the place of terrible, terrible it
is if an apolo of main losses.

579
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:22,440
You know, people would even have
the audacity to think they would get it

580
00:52:22,599 --> 00:52:28,800
cheap. What's cheap? Life's not
cheap, as you say, it's a

581
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:32,559
two price. When the light those
trying to gated, it's terrible work.

582
00:52:32,639 --> 00:52:42,840
It is run. And that's the
fisherman's ways and lifeboat cruise are out there,

583
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:49,199
no feel of the early I'll tell
you one thing I always maintained saved

584
00:52:49,679 --> 00:52:52,679
cruise life was when they started putting
shelter dates. Oh yeah, that's must

585
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:57,519
be life saver. That one.
I always maintained that. Yeah, you

586
00:52:57,599 --> 00:53:02,559
look at some of that. I've
read some of the books disasters and of

587
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:15,840
floss off the Fife course everywhere every
week loss of life must be open dates.

588
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:22,199
And yet other I was telling you
about that ship that capsized, but

589
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:24,719
the tower picked all the crew ups. He had the cambard that sank when

590
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:31,320
he deveload concrete. Yeah, that's
exactly the same place as that. I

591
00:53:31,519 --> 00:53:39,840
standard, right, whatever happened there, and it's the same as the same

592
00:53:40,039 --> 00:53:45,199
I know exactly where he was because
Wally Sampson was watching him and his he

593
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:50,800
was watching on his computer, you
know, and Wally was watching and his

594
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:54,159
seeing him coming down from Duncan's area, come down there, and he went

595
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:58,599
and had his lunch. When making
back there was no boat and they took

596
00:53:58,599 --> 00:54:02,320
the shopping wrong with his computer.
But boat and sunk. Wow. God,

597
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:07,679
he said he couldn't believe it like
you and did. They were there.

598
00:54:07,159 --> 00:54:13,039
They never got that's still any boat
jam, that's right, Yeah,

599
00:54:13,119 --> 00:54:20,119
but did they did he see the
emergency services? I'm not sure what he

600
00:54:20,199 --> 00:54:22,159
did about the jam, couldn't I
say it, but they were they were

601
00:54:22,199 --> 00:54:28,840
looking for it immediately about that time
that I think I remember that he was

602
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:35,199
a seemingly well known good good she
meant to you, I think as far

603
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:40,079
as I can gathering. Yeah,
it just it just highlights how important it

604
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:49,159
is. There is a certificate's skippery
just gonna be a any tone for he

605
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:52,719
did to get into that stuff,
Like, you know, I just feel

606
00:54:52,760 --> 00:55:01,760
that should should stick in this idea
that cheap fish, they're no cheap adult,

607
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:07,719
they're no cheap men's leaves or risk
the top of and they used their

608
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:13,079
lives that they're all the time.
It's sell you and then keep going on,

609
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:19,440
you know, yeah, yeah,
oh dear, it's it was a

610
00:55:19,519 --> 00:55:22,519
cruel scene. It's it's a crudel
scene on it, but it's fascinating and

611
00:55:23,679 --> 00:55:30,079
just speaking to you. But I
love anything my arms speaking taking up the

612
00:55:30,159 --> 00:55:35,360
pentan at first, because as I
said, I've always been born and brought

613
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:40,159
that thinking. As I said earlier, six hours high water, half an

614
00:55:40,199 --> 00:55:45,679
hour, six hours. Yeah,
so you'll be coming. I think you

615
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:50,440
said to me one would have been
said it was three hours one wed.

616
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:57,159
I'll tell you there's two replaces we
got this Scars Grape Point as one.

617
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:02,159
There's done it head and they'll long
have been about an hour and a half

618
00:56:02,199 --> 00:56:10,119
of blood tide and nine and a
half hours of egg time. Yeah yeah,

619
00:56:10,559 --> 00:56:17,639
and do you know that, Oh? Absolutely absolutely, there will be

620
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:22,960
no way of putting that on a
time book or anything with that unless you

621
00:56:23,039 --> 00:56:27,239
know all about it, like the
de you know personally have things you know

622
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:37,719
that's obviously Yeah, asking you what
to do didn't matter obviously how powerful down

623
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:43,400
on the castle and me in that
area close in to the land I'm talking

624
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:47,239
about here, maybe a half a
mile or a mile log that will be

625
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:54,679
it's a three hours of waistbone tide
here and nine they going the other way.

626
00:56:55,719 --> 00:57:00,239
That's helps it to what it does
at broke By, that's only about

627
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:08,079
a two miles apart. H there
there there. Unless you're a nicer show

628
00:57:08,119 --> 00:57:14,320
and that things, you would never
even play it, yeh. Scargier Head

629
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:20,639
that's another place. Scargier Heads,
all north Tidier get maybe a couple of

630
00:57:20,679 --> 00:57:24,000
hours of southbe that once the once
the tide gets strong and a point,

631
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:29,239
it gets stronger and stronger and it
wears off the point then and it's all

632
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:34,719
in gooing tide in to meet it. It's it's a strange thing. It's

633
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:40,760
all that's that's things have been so
not so but known about for years and

634
00:57:42,079 --> 00:57:50,840
generations. Uh, oh, dear, dear, does it very Oh that's

635
00:57:51,039 --> 00:57:55,079
constant? Actually, oh tired is
constant? Yeah, So that difference is

636
00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:05,880
from the normal six hours running nurse
whatever, you know, what's various,

637
00:58:06,119 --> 00:58:09,320
the stuff that you just pulling in
the you know. Yeah, but this

638
00:58:10,239 --> 00:58:17,519
three by the nine and two different
idea has been the opposite. Yes,

639
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:23,840
that constant. What's constant, that's
there all the time every day the tie

640
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:31,519
runs. That's constant. And as
charts as chart's got that they should have

641
00:58:31,639 --> 00:58:39,880
it. Like I've seen I've seen
the diagrams of the paint and personally R.

642
00:58:40,119 --> 00:58:45,719
Jonathan some of them will know even
match up, you know, happens

643
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:52,239
there and there's just absolutely constant.
And is that close in it's maybe half

644
00:58:52,239 --> 00:58:55,760
a mile off gym to the show
there. So once that once that east

645
00:58:55,840 --> 00:59:00,920
side starts there, that's for nine
hour thing. So if you were,

646
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:07,039
you know, on the Organey side
where it's a big white then see it

647
00:59:07,039 --> 00:59:14,519
would be quite different there. Maybe
quite often sea boats go that way,

648
00:59:14,599 --> 00:59:19,119
and I just wonder if it's maybe
more they're maybe getting less time or something.

649
00:59:19,159 --> 00:59:21,920
Gym depends what time they go,
of course shy, of course,

650
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:29,760
yeah, so they would really wait
until they got the tide going west if

651
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:34,360
they were well, honestly, yes, it would be gym more to their

652
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:38,360
advantage. Chick. Yes, I
remember Ian when he had the old doll

653
00:59:38,519 --> 00:59:44,960
scare, you know, the previous
one to the one. Well, I

654
00:59:45,079 --> 00:59:52,639
remember he was coming east from the
east and the scraps there and he had

655
00:59:52,719 --> 00:59:58,639
a role in the many men of
Ma shifted his boat wheelers know not the

656
00:59:58,679 --> 01:00:02,360
wheelers. But it's just fish in
the fish just it's a horrendous pace and

657
01:00:04,719 --> 01:00:09,760
can have a have a apple repercussions
early. Thank god. It's strange too.

658
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:15,400
And you can look in from the
land and just see the white water.

659
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:19,719
You see see the merry men away. They call it throw and called

660
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:23,400
merry men away the old Dames that
was another name for it. Maybe so

661
01:00:23,559 --> 01:00:29,639
many people heard that the old Ames
say storm and called it and what caused

662
01:00:29,679 --> 01:00:37,320
that think it's coming up fish making
shallow waters start inland and why it should

663
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:43,400
go to the deep waters. It's
another and although it looks just white water,

664
01:00:43,559 --> 01:00:49,440
would there be the current and current
it's all going into the and the

665
01:00:49,559 --> 01:00:54,000
more heavy westernly see you get the
worst everything is there. Just escalate there,

666
01:00:54,079 --> 01:00:59,880
you know. So it can be
can be horrendous at times, but

667
01:01:00,119 --> 01:01:05,440
other times way unless it's unless there's
weather, it's just not too bad at

668
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:08,440
all. It's so many easy.
You don't see the records in it,

669
01:01:08,519 --> 01:01:15,840
you know every time the well from
what you're saying there, I think my

670
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:24,559
father was not far road and boiling
port. That's over years all that one.

671
01:01:24,679 --> 01:01:31,079
That's yeah, I've heard them.
I've heard other people call it boiling

672
01:01:31,119 --> 01:01:37,239
pots around you know. See when
you're going west, just see you're steaming

673
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:42,880
west and you're going through the first
the penaland first and then you're clear of

674
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:47,320
the Orkanys and you're just the north
coast. You wouldn't have the same time

675
01:01:47,519 --> 01:01:52,639
then with you Oh no, no, sen you're clear that the clear the

676
01:01:52,719 --> 01:01:58,960
part o drop down to three four
not because they've got the expanse there that

677
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:02,159
it's jack and then here and tiny
all through there at one again. Yeah,

678
01:02:02,559 --> 01:02:07,840
I just know the same. It's
still it's still matters are still effects

679
01:02:08,159 --> 01:02:15,639
and even with modern big modern boats
now we may I mean, well,

680
01:02:15,679 --> 01:02:17,599
I'm going to think of it.
My father, we used to think it

681
01:02:17,719 --> 01:02:24,280
was a battleship besides it, and
it was fifty four feet Some of the

682
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:34,440
boats nowadays, our battleship would go
on their deck. And still they'll still

683
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:37,559
you know, I'll be speaking to
somebody and I'll say when will you be

684
01:02:37,719 --> 01:02:40,199
in scraps there, and they'll just
say, well, they'll still say,

685
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:45,639
well, it depends on the tide. You'll be watching them in the computer

686
01:02:45,519 --> 01:02:51,880
and you'll see them no no biging. The speed they were there would be

687
01:02:52,039 --> 01:02:58,719
maybe seventy nine knots, and as
soon as they're coming from the first well

688
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:04,360
that maybe lots either. Indeed,
i've seen that she's five and three years.

689
01:03:05,639 --> 01:03:07,599
You can get in yet, And
still it's the same thing. I'll

690
01:03:07,599 --> 01:03:12,440
see you, guys, he's hit
a tie wrong and he's just merely crawling

691
01:03:12,559 --> 01:03:17,199
up the berth. But this is
maybe coming doing the west sideboard or the

692
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:24,239
west or and then we steaming making
good times seventy nine notes, and it's

693
01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:31,119
just where they're coming south and they
can come close to the first it's five

694
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:37,800
four or five before. And they
know that because I'll say, well it

695
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:43,480
depends. They know they'll give you
a time of arrival because it's depending.

696
01:03:43,599 --> 01:03:47,199
No, it's all. There's all
the time down there, you know there

697
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:53,119
there. Oh, it's it can
be difficult for shipping. That still fascinating.

698
01:03:54,079 --> 01:04:01,000
It's a huge subject and so important
as well. Deer dear what you

699
01:04:01,079 --> 01:04:04,320
say, no one that they've got
to get skipper stickings and things and there

700
01:04:05,719 --> 01:04:15,320
and there's it's really annoying when you
hear people making idiots of themselves to see

701
01:04:15,519 --> 01:04:21,119
and some crazy make shift is act
and they go. And then the next

702
01:04:21,199 --> 01:04:33,039
thing, there's a lifeboat called that. Yes, exactly our lifeboat here was

703
01:04:33,119 --> 01:04:35,920
short ago that I think a guy
who's wout forty mile and then seeing a

704
01:04:36,079 --> 01:04:43,599
canoe thing, yeah, I think
it's just it's just a family that he

705
01:04:43,679 --> 01:04:48,840
owned from it. It's lucky getting
a mobile phone people. Yeah. But

706
01:04:49,039 --> 01:04:59,599
the other thing that fascinates me about
the crew have past cruise. There's certificate's

707
01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:06,039
for or outstanding seamanship and bravery and
with it cox win of the life.

708
01:05:09,079 --> 01:05:14,360
I'm sure you're where you can see
that with the certificates in your wall here,

709
01:05:15,079 --> 01:05:21,480
and Dougie was believing when yes,
one and he's got a certificate.

710
01:05:21,639 --> 01:05:28,599
Yeah, but I don't speak to
any Yeah, and it's just a the

711
01:05:28,679 --> 01:05:36,519
shoulders. There's no it's just like, well, somebody's got to do that

712
01:05:36,719 --> 01:05:41,599
thing, and you just get on
with it. I know's goal just away

713
01:05:41,639 --> 01:05:45,239
of light. They never say very
much about it at all. I mean

714
01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:48,320
even young guys. You know,
you think in some ways you think they're

715
01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:51,800
going to be risky in their lives, but they're so proud and please that

716
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:59,199
they got a crew man's job.
You're just like, I've done it,

717
01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:08,760
I've got there. There was probably
a mother and father thinking that's the last

718
01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:16,159
thing, maybe said dear dear,
dear dear. Yeah either there. It's

719
01:06:16,239 --> 01:06:20,039
it's great how they public they support
them all the time. I think,

720
01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:30,960
yeah, so go back to the
serious and we say that or any of

721
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:38,480
that. Boats. All they need
to do is switch off the engines if

722
01:06:38,519 --> 01:06:45,159
it stopped, that's it's not the
same without gila wind or storm or well

723
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:49,519
he's got a good grip to see
him and we're touching island. Maybe the

724
01:06:50,079 --> 01:06:55,039
Gala wind blowing straight on the shoulder
and the tides slacking off or something,

725
01:06:55,039 --> 01:07:00,840
they could have a problem. You
know, there's a big tanker, super

726
01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:06,119
tanker. He broke down in a
fog and a pentant first and the crew

727
01:07:06,239 --> 01:07:10,800
abandoned ship. So they thought she's
going to go a shore. And the

728
01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:14,679
tug picked him up out between the
pent and scaries and a dunk and said

729
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:17,119
he was on the west side.
So on they were right doing that,

730
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:23,760
and it through the channel at the
east. Say, they all jumped into

731
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:28,559
the white for us. Ah,
so I think it's a Greek key.

732
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:32,519
You don't mind that it's the it's
they tug they tolament ay turcle. I

733
01:07:32,599 --> 01:07:42,519
think I remember that it's a good
weather go thirty forty year ago. Yeah,

734
01:07:45,239 --> 01:07:48,199
they were. They were panic and
go right with the ship. They

735
01:07:48,199 --> 01:07:54,679
were thinking she's going to hit stow. He never touched a thing, so

736
01:07:54,800 --> 01:08:00,840
obviously that classic example of that that's
interesting that knowledge is No, they didn't

737
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:04,280
know that you would miss it.
You know, they were certainly expected to

738
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:12,280
head it. It's a tuget and
I'll take the something that they dunk.

739
01:08:12,519 --> 01:08:16,319
The Ordyment took the ship and the
kirk I think or Scottploe I can't I

740
01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:19,079
remember, but they took her in
here. They just fixed her up and

741
01:08:19,119 --> 01:08:23,920
a couple of hours kind of thing, you know, it's a bleeding the

742
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:29,359
fuel pipe or something the ord just
fixed, which they should have done that,

743
01:08:29,479 --> 01:08:32,600
you see. You know, I
think that's the problem behind the panic

744
01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:38,279
and a year kind of thing.
The only thing that I would say in

745
01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:45,800
not defending them, but I remember
when the toy canyon, Yes, son

746
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:53,680
seven stones, Yes, I reckon
that he knew for miles that was going

747
01:08:53,720 --> 01:09:00,479
to happen. But they were with
the way their engines and things, they

748
01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:03,920
couldn't have stopped. They could slowly
doing and put it in these but simally

749
01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:10,600
it wouldn't do you do you do? Do lte? Possibly? Possibly,

750
01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:16,000
but I heard a story about her
the the airport. They would be out

751
01:09:16,039 --> 01:09:18,640
to blow it up and spit the
fire, you know, because they were

752
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:24,119
thing the head for of they fired
a rock and they mastered it. But

753
01:09:24,239 --> 01:09:30,880
these the junior in the head christ
has beat us. That's another one.

754
01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:34,840
Having on the check and rope,
I think, and the skipper and I

755
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:38,720
think you stick one as guy that
didn't have a ticket anytime, like a

756
01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:43,279
Greek cole whatever. And he thought
he'd passed that checking rope, but now

757
01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:48,399
before he had. This is the
difference in the competent the skipper and yeah,

758
01:09:49,920 --> 01:10:00,720
yeah, but it obviously shows that
competent. It's important and you respect.

759
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:09,279
Did they get themselves and out against
tide or way the body get well?

760
01:10:09,359 --> 01:10:15,279
You know you can still get Uh
it was too flat. And call

761
01:10:15,319 --> 01:10:21,560
the boy from from the waist three. Yeah, his name is he He

762
01:10:21,800 --> 01:10:27,279
was in the merchant Navy and he
was in Rotterdammers from the places. And

763
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:30,560
he went up to the Greek opice
in the place and the voice says,

764
01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:33,880
say, are you looking for sketber's
teat room? He was looking for a

765
01:10:33,880 --> 01:10:38,880
skepper's ticket twenty five pounds And he
goes and they had purify. Yes,

766
01:10:39,479 --> 01:10:44,279
and they're sitting at the home in
his in his house, and he said

767
01:10:44,319 --> 01:10:48,560
they'd hear that much rubbish as tickets. His wife says a pound some skepber's

768
01:10:48,600 --> 01:10:51,560
tickets are from He says, put
the many fire. It's only radio up

769
01:10:51,560 --> 01:10:59,520
there. He didn't put them any
fire. That's worth nothing. He was

770
01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:01,880
scabbard on the Ordy boat. Say
I think it's any or Felder or something.

771
01:11:03,880 --> 01:11:11,359
Davids No, No, okay,
so he's tell me to sto.

772
01:11:12,279 --> 01:11:18,800
No, I don't think. I
don't think the character heard of a story.

773
01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:26,720
But you don't like him a long
road now speaking DV coach, No,

774
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:39,000
DV coach coach man, Yeah,
there was Wally Wally Coat hard but

775
01:11:39,039 --> 01:11:45,000
if I any hard and I was
speaking of the bully about our room minute

776
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:50,199
smoking here, don't make him a
longer road walk and make him prepare for

777
01:11:50,359 --> 01:11:56,359
Orney And he says, hey,
here for my skepper coming. Well,

778
01:11:57,439 --> 01:12:00,560
yeah, he's he's Joe. I
come over the road and he says,

779
01:12:01,119 --> 01:12:03,760
I heard you boys, I know, but I can't Joe my quite well.

780
01:12:04,760 --> 01:12:09,840
He says, you'll take and I'm
John and hit the bottle on the

781
01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:14,159
hand of him was even broken.
Seal was whole. Give her to take

782
01:12:14,199 --> 01:12:19,039
a drawing, to take your court
over shure, I put her back in

783
01:12:19,079 --> 01:12:24,680
his own puppet. So nobody said
any Morris in the yard and John I

784
01:12:24,760 --> 01:12:31,319
took up with a bottle and eager
awake the ferry and took a botts open

785
01:12:31,399 --> 01:12:39,399
my bottles. So when when he
show the come in now that's about the

786
01:12:39,439 --> 01:12:44,359
spring of the year. Show theaker
in Wally coach. He went to Niclicho

787
01:12:45,239 --> 01:12:47,399
and over he went and heavy up
into the all of the tables, sitting

788
01:12:47,479 --> 01:12:53,039
all the things, and who was
added with Tony while his prize Haymes,

789
01:12:53,159 --> 01:12:59,119
Bantams, what heyvy Yard and rose
eights on winners. Now Wally had that

790
01:12:59,359 --> 01:13:01,880
carrier bay and he did up and
he rang to their necks and I put

791
01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:04,600
them on the bag. This is
up for your butler on to me.

792
01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:17,960
And it wasn't a told me.
It was joy. I raked the necks

793
01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:20,680
and put them in a bag.
Is that would be my dress? Read?

794
01:13:24,479 --> 01:13:28,199
He was doing fairy runs between the
islands. Ah, that's right,

795
01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:33,039
I'm giving me a business card.
I think I made a hope for it.

796
01:13:33,159 --> 01:13:38,479
Meant to look. I still a
copy of it. He's only going

797
01:13:39,039 --> 01:13:44,439
and all these the services that he
provided. And there was I think there

798
01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:57,279
was two on it. Rebellions quelled
and virgins converted something else. Oh,

799
01:13:57,560 --> 01:14:05,720
dear, dear, it's only good
guy. Yeah, they were all good

800
01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:12,880
semen. Oh god, see,
I've done as far as what we've been

801
01:14:12,920 --> 01:14:17,520
talking about the day, I've personally
known a lot of gone back fishermen.

802
01:14:20,239 --> 01:14:28,199
Them back they are, I mean
very only national Maine that never complained at

803
01:14:28,199 --> 01:14:36,520
the ice pot the end never complete, never complete, and they're the only

804
01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:44,479
agent because he complained personally gruser of
them. You know, yeah, I

805
01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:47,319
know they except things. And and
one guy came here from peter Head and

806
01:14:47,359 --> 01:14:54,119
he's never been there before, and
he want then to give him to tell

807
01:14:54,159 --> 01:14:57,239
him about icy daily And he says, how much. I say that we've

808
01:14:57,239 --> 01:15:00,239
got a say, seventh ton.
Oh, he says, as no,

809
01:15:00,399 --> 01:15:04,039
how seventh tourn I said, well, Teddy, and you finally all h

810
01:15:04,279 --> 01:15:08,279
Sampson told me, never did them
given them play. He's a rather than

811
01:15:08,399 --> 01:15:15,960
great bad turn teams and a bag
T shirt that same and he he's successful

812
01:15:15,079 --> 01:15:17,720
the seventh turn. I said,
well, Teddy, but I'm going to

813
01:15:17,760 --> 01:15:20,960
do I'm either going to put any
seventh turn or I'm gonna put any right

814
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:26,159
amount. No, no, he
says, seven tunnel be fine. Just

815
01:15:26,479 --> 01:15:35,720
soon called his blood. There was
all trying there here. I remember my

816
01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:41,960
father used to say, when the
come back, go way back to the

817
01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:48,760
like the trollers like Grimsby how trawlers, and oh sure sure that they were

818
01:15:48,880 --> 01:15:55,159
cool boats. They were drumming and
cool and oh shure shure running the cool

819
01:15:56,439 --> 01:16:00,880
and he says they were create seaboats
guys, he said, there be and

820
01:16:00,119 --> 01:16:04,119
this is the ballast on him,
he said, there'll be fuller cool going

821
01:16:04,239 --> 01:16:12,640
to see and then yeah, the
passion subsidized with the wheat thing. And

822
01:16:12,760 --> 01:16:16,640
I have heard them they didn't catch
much, which let them unstable. But

823
01:16:17,119 --> 01:16:23,000
yeah, as a great they think
they never stoked that first, never stoked

824
01:16:23,039 --> 01:16:26,720
for whaler and we always used to
watch him and is going to them wheelights

825
01:16:26,760 --> 01:16:32,399
and it, you know, the
heavy whaler never stoked it. That would

826
01:16:32,479 --> 01:16:35,960
be a bit of a risk with
then no, not to him at all.

827
01:16:36,239 --> 01:16:40,680
No, no, no, with
the fact that you have good ballast

828
01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:45,000
and all that. That's right,
Jem's not helping. It would help under

829
01:16:45,039 --> 01:16:47,840
the conditions here, they can't.
It wouldn't be a place you'd be wanting

830
01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:53,760
to stay it with it ballast,
you know. Yeah, So anything later

831
01:16:54,279 --> 01:16:59,239
top heavy or that, no great
at all. They would mostly hip past.

832
01:16:59,359 --> 01:17:04,840
As you said, the counteract the
stores and coal and no say that

833
01:17:05,000 --> 01:17:13,600
there were yes, yes, dieselic
ones and one go and went back again.

834
01:17:16,359 --> 01:17:21,760
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835
01:17:23,199 --> 01:17:27,960
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01:17:28,039 --> 01:17:31,880
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