You're listening to the mind Over Murder podcast. My name is Bill Thomas.
I'm a writer, consulting, producer, and now podcaster. I am now
trying to use my experience as the brother of a murder victim to help other
victims of violent crime. I'm working on a book on the unsolved Colonial Parkway
murders, and I'm the co administrator of the Colonial Parkway Murders Facebook group together
with Kristin Dilley. My name is Kristin Dilley. I'm a writer, a
researcher, a teacher, and a victim's advocate, as well as the social
media manager and co administrator for the Colonial Parkway Murders Facebook page with my partner
in crime, Bill Thomas. Welcome to mind Over Murderer. I'm Kristin Dilley
and I'm Bill Thomas. Welcome to another fun filled episode of mind Over Murder
recording on this Memorial Day. We hope everybody's having an excellent day, incredibly
enthusiastic. Maybe it's because you have the day off. Maybe it's because I
have the day off from school. That's exactly what it could be. And
I get to have burgers later, so yay. Patriotic feelings abound. We
had a parade here in our little town and we paid our respects to our
men and women in military uniform, both current and retired. It was really
fun, and it occurred to me that listening to the band perform, who
were wonderful, this is a high school band from our area. They also
did something where they had two trumpet players play taps some distance. It's very
stirring, actually, but I was thinking about something. One of the guys
was fairly close to us, and I turned and we listened very respectfully.
But I thought to myself, that's actually a high pressure gig for a high
school student. Yeah, totally to play taps solo and they do this echoe
thing. It's really cool. But I was looking at this young guy who
was playing, and he was quite good. I thought, this kid's probably
sixteen years old. And the whole town turns, looks, and he plays
taps and then the other young guy plays taps across the way, and it
was very nicely done. But most of the time when I have seen someone
perform, it's actually a somewhat more experienced player, typically a Marine Corps trumpet
player. I've also heard that real trumpet players are in short supply, and
so some of them actually are playing a device that doesn't require them to play
it, but just push a button and it's actually recorded. Oh well,
which I find really disappointing. Oh wow, that's interesting, And I think
we should take a moment here, because it is Memorial Day to acknowledge your
family's military service, particularly Kathy. I definitely am thinking of her today on
Memorial Day, most especially thank you. And I know there are a number
of people in the families involved in the Colonial Parkway murders who've had women and
men serving in our military. So our hats are off to all of you,
and happy June. By the time you hear this, it will be
Monday, June fifth, Yes, it will be. And that does mean
that some of the news in this episode of True Crime News round Up is
just the slightest bit dated, But we figured that you guys would still benefit
from hearing our wealth of information. In Bill's case, snarky commentary on everything
that we're about to report on. What are you gonna You're gonna characterize my
commentary as snarky? You said prior to going on the air, you were
going to make it snarky but not sweary. Yeah, I figured we should
throw it out there to everybody. We try very hard to be snarky not
sweary. But if you ever meet us off the air, we're pretty scary
folks. My mom would not be proud of me that. No, mine
wouldn't be either. Actually, your mom listen to the podcast? I know
she's a fan. Now, my mom does not listen to the podcast.
No one in my family does not, even my boyfriend. Wow, No,
no I have are my fans? Oh my? I know they're very
supportive. They like that I do it, but no, they don't listen
to it. No one in my family has. No one else in my
family has the True Crime bug Ah, so I understand. Yeah, it's
weird for them. My brother occasionally will have people who go up to him
at his golf course in Miami and go, wait, is your sister the
one who has the podcast? And the first time he was like, how
is this even happening? Like how big is your podcast? I'm like,
it's not that big. And he's flim musty because people ask me about it.
So that's cool, but he's also taken aback by it. You did
have a million downloads, Christin Dilly, So somebody's listening and we appreciate it,
Yes, very much. Have you explained to your brother how this thing
called the Worldwide Web does allow people all over the place in Miami and other
countries or the whole nine to listen to the podcast? He knows he's a
little bit of a love night, but yes, he knows he's familiar.
I think he just has a hard time believing that there's anybody who might want
to listen to what I have to say on any subject. But that's the
younger brother in him going. I for one, am very interested in what
you have to say, and thanks to everybody else for listening as well.
Yeah. Absolutely, It definitely makes up for the fact that no one in
my family listens to my pot she said, without a trace of bitterness in
her voice. Nope, not at all. We're gonna go ahead and jump
into True Crime News Roundup. This is possibly volume five, maybe volume six
it is, although I usually find that it's easier to say true News round
Up June fifth, twenty twenty three, and that way, I'm not too
worried about sequential numbering. Yeah, that works better. We have a couple
of interesting stories in the true crime space, and we wanted to highlight three
in particular. So we're going to start off today with John Vanderslout, who
is the lead suspect in the Natalie Holloway case. Joran vander Slut couldn't ask
for a nicer guy. He's going to be extradited to the United States from
where he's currently incarcerated in Peru. He's going to be facing charges of extortion
and wire fraud in the case of Natalie Holloway. For anyone who is unaware,
Natalie Holloway was a teenager eighteen years old who disappeared on May thirtieth,
two thousand and five, when she was on a graduation trip to Aruba.
She was last seen in the company of Joran vander Salute and two of his
friends, after which she seemed to have dropped off the face of the earth.
And the charges stem then from extortion, not murder necessarily. Yes,
that's right now. Mister vander Slut has been serving a sentence of twenty eight
years in prison in Peru already frame murder that he did demonstrably commit, and
that is the strangulation murder of a woman named Stephanie Flores in his hotel room
Lima on May thirtieth, twenty ten, which is literally five years to the
day after Natalie Holloway's disappearance. Very strange, You're very strange. Those charges
of extortion and fraud here in the United States come from his attempt in twenty
ten to sell information about the location of Natalie Holloway's remains to her mother at
a price of two hundred and fifty thousand dollars. This is where the snark
comes in. This guy is such a classy guy. Not only is he
suspected in the murder of Natalie Holloway, which is still unresolved, this slee's
ball actually attempted to sell information about her whereabouts her remains to her mother for
two hundred and fifty thousand dollars. I'm going to read from some reporting from
CN here. Quote the missing eighteen year old's mother, Beth Holloway, wired
fifteen thousand dollars to a bank account Vander Salute held in the Netherlands, and
through an attorney, gave him another ten thousand dollars in person, stated the
indictment against him. Quote. Once he had the initial twenty five thousand dollars.
Vanderslute showed Holloway's attorney, John Kelly, where Natalie Holloway's remains allegedly were
hidden. However, the information turned out to be false, the indictment states,
continuing your thought about being a classic guy, Bill, he doesn't even
give the correct information once the money has been given to him about her remains.
So the indictment seeks to require Vanderslute to four foot the twenty five thousand,
one hundred dollars including this one hundred dollars deposit that Beth Holloway initially transferred
to him. He'd be required to give the money back. We still don't
know where Natalie's remains can be found. Very sadly, no, he had
alleged initially that his father, Paul Vanderslute, the late Paul Vanderslute, I
should add, he did die. He alleged that his father helped him to
move Natalie Holloway's remains and that they were buried under a construction site. That
unfortunately did turn out to be false, and so we have no known location
for Natalie Holloway's remains at this time. I still can't think that there is
a glimmer of truth here somewhere, which is I believe, as do many
others, that Vanderslute and his two sleeves Ball associates probably raped and murdered Natalie
and hid her remains, and the father may be involved, but obviously they
didn't find her remains at the site he originally described. The Natalie Holloway case
has been particularly fraught with twists and turns for anybody who's unfamiliar the sequence of
events unfolded like this Jurin Vanderslute and his two as you said, sleeves Ball
associates Atipakin Satish Kalpo were the last people seen with Natalie Holloway in a Ruba.
She left a nightclub with them, and she had gone to a Ruba,
as we previously said, for a high school graduation trip. After she
was seen leaving the nightclub with the three of them, she was never seen
again. Vanderslute and the Kalpa brothers were rested in two thousand and five in
connection to her disappearance, but they ultimately had to be released due to insufficient
evidence. Two years later, in two thousand and seven, they were re
arrested and charged for quote involvement in the voluntary manslaughter of Natalie Holloway or causing
serious bodily harm to Natalie Holloway resulting in her death. And that's according to
the prosecutors in Aruba. It didn't stop there though. A few weeks later,
Vanderslute and the Kalpoe brothers were released because there was quote a lack of
direct evidence that Holloway died from a violent crime or that Vanderslut was involved in
such a crime. So they've never really been able to hold him for anything
with relation to her murder. Yeah, it's very frustrating and sad there's this
stop start aspect to this investigation. Now, Duran Vanderslut has been in jail,
as we stated at the top of the pod, since two twelve.
He was found guilty of the strangulation murder of a woman named Stephanie Ramirez Flores
in his hotel room in two ten. He did confess to the crime,
he recanted it later a confession. As a confession, he stated that he
found Stephanie Flores going through his emails and killed her in a frenzy. And
for that crime he is serving a twenty eight year sentence and in addition,
he had eighteen years tacked onto that sentence because he was trafficking cocaine from prison
just never stops. In order to get him back to the United States to
face these fraud charges and extortion charges, Peru agreed to what's called a request
for temporary surrender of Vanderslut so that he can come over here to Alabama and
he can stand trial for the extortion and fraud charges. I'm going to report
out from the Peruvian news agency and Dina. Peru has an extradition treaty with
the US and previously had agreed to extradite Vanderslute only after he finished serving the
murder sentence, meaning US officials would have had to wait until twenty thirty eight.
But he will be temporarily returned to the US for trial, then returned
to Peru to finish serving his sentence for the murder of Stephanie Flores. If
convicted in federal court in Alabama, he'll be sent back to the US in
twenty thirty eight to serve up to forty more years in an American prison.
Something very appealing about him rotting in a Peruvian jail. It just somehow appeals
to me because this guy is just the worst. Oh. Kabbeth Holloway did
release a statement to the press with regard to the extradition of Joran Vander salute.
I want to go ahead and read her remarks because they are very moving.
Quote. In May two thousand and five, my eighteen year old daughter,
Natalie Holloway left Birmingham for Ruba to attend her high school graduation trip and
was never seen again. I was blessed to have had Natalie in my life
for eighteen years, and as of this month, I have been without her
for exactly eighteen years. She would be thirty six years old. Now.
It has been a very long and painful journey, but the persistence of many
is going to pay off. Together, we are finally getting justice for Natalie.
Our friend Cheryl macmccollum, working with Nancy Grace and others, has covered
this case quite extensively. As you said, Kristen, it is a case
with a lot of twists and turns. I'm hopeful that at least they'll be
able to charge Van der Slot with fraud and get this money back. It
can claw these funds back. You can see how missus Holloway might have been
desperate enough to give money to this criminal in exchange for information about where her
daughter's remains could be found. It's a heartbreaking case all the way around.
And I know, in reading about the case and watching some of the coverage
that Mac and Nancy Grace and others have done, the authorities in Aruba have
been less than stellar, shall we say, in terms of the resources and
the amount of cooperation. They seem more interested in threatening Mac and others with
arrest because they dared to be in Aruba. And this is one of those
situations. I'm not victim blaming in the least, but you need to think
long and hard before you consider an international vacation, particularly I think with young
people, and you know there's going to be alcohol and a good time is
going to be had by a group of young people. That's something like a
situation where your daughter disappears while on vacation. In Aruba, you can find
yourself really struggling against laws and rules and even law enforcement who don't necessarily work
in the same way they would here in the United States. And of course
Aruba wants to promote tourism and they don't really want the black eye that would
come with something like the Holloway case. It is what it is exactly.
I had just heard a couple of days ago, just at least scanning through
the news, I saw that there was an American teenager who had fallen off
his cruise ship in the Bahamas and would now consider missing Prusium dead. Just
so sad all the way around. But that definitely brought to mind the Natalie
Halloway case. Let's look for war developments in that case, at least in
terms of the fraud aspect of what has transpired. The other story that we've
been following so closely here on Mind Over Murder is that of doomsday mommy Lorie
Valo day Bell, and the hits just keep on coming for her. Laurie
Vallo day Bell was recently indicted in Arizona on charges that she conspired to kill
her niece, Melanie's ex husband, Brandon Bedreau. This is the case where
you feel like you need a diagram to figure out all of the people that
have been touched by this completely toxic, cult driven couple. It just seems
so many different people who loved and supported Laurie Vallo and her evil cult leading
husband's chad. So many of those people seem to have ended up dead.
It's actually pretty shocking, and Brandon Boudreau is just one of the people on
that list. So who was Brandon boudreaudn Bedrow was the ex husband of Laurie's
niece Melanie, and Brandon Bedrow had been in the midst of divorce proceedings from
his wife Melanie when in twenty nineteen, he was dropping his kids off at
school, Laurie's brother, Alex Cox, took a shot at him, like
a literal shot from a gun. The bullet ripped through the driver's side door
of his tesla in Gilbert, Arizona, and very luckily he managed to survive
this attempted hit. There are several counts that were laid out against Laurie Valo
with regard to this particular event. The indictment reads, quote on or about
October twenty nineteen, with the intent to promote or aid the commission of an
offense, Laurie Valo agreed with Alexander Cox that at least one of them or
another would engage in conduct constituting the offense of first degree premeditated murder. The
state further alleges that the offense charged in this count is a dangerous felony because
the offense involved the discharge, use, or threatening exhibition of a gun,
a dudley weapon, or dangerous instrument, and or the intentional or knowing infliction
of serious physical injury upon Brandon Bedreau. And then the next charges indicate exactly
what the pattern is here. It's very interesting that this is going to be
the second set of charges against her in Arizona. She is already facing a
separate felony case also in Gilbert, after a grand jury indicted her in twenty
twenty one on a charge of conspiring to kill her fourth husband, Charles Valow.
If you remember from our reporting and from our interview with John Glatt,
Laurie's brother Alex Cox, shot and killed Charles Vallo, her fourth husband,
on July eleventh, twenty nineteen. He orchestrated this. Alex Cox, who
had a very unhealthy obsession as we understand it, with his sister, effectively
seems to be acting as a hitman here. Even though the indictment it's regarding
the first offense against Brandon Boudreau covers a lot of different basses by indicating that
either she or her brother Alex were going to kill the former brother in law.
It seems that Alex is the guy that ends up actually implementing these attacks,
and she's got him so wrapped around her finger that she's able to put
her brother up to multiple murders and assaults, and then he, of course
conveniently ended up dead as well. The whole thing is just so bizarre.
You couldn't write fiction this strange now, and if you did, people would
say, that's so highly that's so highly weird, and suspect that nobody would
ever believe that, as we're all aware at this point, unless we've been
living under a rock. She was found guilty in Idaho earlier this month of
conspiring to kill and then actually killing her two youngest children, seven year old
JJ and sixteen year old Tailey, but she was also found guilty of conspiring
to kill Tammy day Bell, her fifth husband Chad day Bell's previous wife,
or the string of dead bodies and these poor kids. This somehow is the
most heartbreaking aspect of this entire thing. To lose all of these adults is
a terrible thing, but then these two kids, even her sister said,
you could have given them to us and we would have taken care of them,
rather than murder them, hide their bodies and head off to Hawaii with
your new husband. I feel particularly awful for Kay and Larry Woodcock, who
have been here through the whole entire thing. They were quoted in the media
as saying, we have three trials to go. Now. They've had to
sit through Laurie's trial, which I'm sure it was deeply emotionally fraught for them,
and then they do have three trials remaining with regard to this whole sequence
of events. They've got Laurie's trial for Charles Vallo's murder, They've got her
trial for conspiracy to commit murder against Brandon Bedreaux, and then they still have
Chad day Bell's trial for the murder of JJ and Tyley. I can't imagine
what that would do to people who have had to sit through this many trials
and hear this many recountings of how evil and awful this woman is. The
prosecutors made the decision, which I completely understand, that they had to separate
the trial of Laurie Valo day Bell and Chad day Bell, her new husband
number five. It seems to perpetuate the pain, it would seem for the
surviving family members and for the community. But I don't see much way around
it. They were pointing out in case we're still trying to work out timelines
here, Laurie cannot leave Idaho and be extra day to Arizona until she's sentenced
for Tyley and JJ's murder, and that's not going to happen until later this
year. Once the sentencing is done and wrapped up in Idaho, then she'll
be extradited to Arizona and then the whole process will begin again and she'll have
to go through the two trials there, and then I assume Chad day Bell's
trial will occur a little bit later in the year as well. So for
those of us who are hoping to never see their faces again, I'm referring
to Lori and Chad here when I say that, I think we're going to
have to live with this for a while, because this is going to be
stretching out, probably over the next several years. Yeah, it sounds like
it. We would remind our listeners that we did just cover Lori and Chad's
trial in some depth on a couple of our true crime news roundups. But
we also had an excellent interview with John Glatt, author of The Doomsday Mother,
and we would highly encourage you to listen to that if you have not
done so already. John had some amazing and interesting insights into this case you're
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we're going to go ahead and get into another of the cases that seems to
have permeated this whole entire year, and that is the continuing saga of Brian
Cooburger, who has now been both indicted and arraigned in the Idaho four murders.
Hugh's murderer, Brian Cooburger was indicted by a grand jury on Tuesday,
May sixteenth for the November twenty twenty two murders of the four University of Idaho
students in their off campus home in Moscow, Idaho. That indictment paved the
way for his arraignment on murder charges on Monday May twenty second. I'm gonna
go ahead and read some reporting from NBC News quote the indictment returned in leytah
County against Brian Coburger twenty eight says he did unlawfully enter a home in Moscow,
Idaho, and then did willfully, unlawfully, deliberately, with premeditation and
with malice aforethought, kill and murder victims Matti Mogan, kay Lee Gancalveez,
Zana Carnadal, and Ethan Shapement. And that's according to reporting from NBC News.
So a preliminary hearing on that case was originally scheduled for June, So
we wouldn't even have this much except for the fact that the prosecutors very unexpectedly
decided that rather than weight for a preliminary hearing, they wanted to impanel a
grand jury. The reason for impaneling a grand jury, in my understanding,
is twofold number one. It allowed the state to avoid that week long preliminary
hearing, and it also got around the need to permit the defense counsel to
cross examine witnesses. If you'll remember, a couple of weeks back, the
surviving roommate from the house where those students lived had been expressing how much she
did not want to be present out of preliminary hearing. And I'm wondering if
maybe some of this was an attempt to save her from having to go through
the trauma of appearing in front of a judge and being questioned on this.
I'm wondering if that at least is part of this. I think it is,
and I also think from what we've read and talking to experts about this
case, this is a very complicated case. The FBI, the ADHOST,
State Police, and other law enforcement agencies work together as a team to put
this case together, but it's a very complicated case with multiple DNA sources,
electronic surveillance, the use of cell phone tracking, and analysis of dozens of
camera sources, and trying to calculate Koberger's movements both in the week leading up
to the murders as well as the night of the quadruple homicide. I think
the prosecutors would like to push back the presentation of all of this material as
far back as possible so that they can present the strongest possible case. And
I think they did not have any interest in this surviving housemate from having to
testify at what they were guard as this early date, so I think they
wanted to push everything back as far as possible so they can get Coburger and
his defense team with the strongest possible case, and they'd like to try to
do it once and as effectively as possible. That sends about right to me.
So, after the grand jury returned an indictment, and I think it
was to everybody's surprised that it went to the grand jury, that then meant
that Coburger could be arraigned on the murder and breaking and entering charges. And
so on Monday, May twenty second, he was arraigned on those charges.
Now, he didn't speak in court, and I thought this was interesting.
When the judge makes that request, how do you please, Brian Coburger didn't
speak. His lawyer spoke for him and said, your honor, we are
standing silent. And so here's what that means from CNN here quote. The
inventional legal strategy, also known as standing mute, relies on an Idaho criminal
rule, which requires a judge to then enter a not guilty plea on the
defendant's behalf, effectively allowing him to avoid verbally committing to being guilty or not
guilty. I don't think it matters what Koburger says in court, and even
a number of attorneys said this is meaningless grandstanding at best. Yeah. CNN
spoke to his attorney from Seattle named Ann Brahmar, and she said, quote,
it doesn't matter what he says or doesn't say. Either way, he's
on the record with a not guilty plea. The standing silent or the standing
mute plea is unusual, but it's not unheard of. Nicholas Cruz, the
gunman responsible for the Marjorie Stoneman Douglas High School massacre from twenty eighteen, also
chose to stand silent at his particular court case. Spoke to a couple of
different law professors and asked, Okay, why would you like is the benefit
to doing this as a defendant? What is the benefit the standing silent?
So I'm going to quote from University of Idaho law professor Samuel Newton. The
defendant may want to avoid criticism that could come with a certain plea. A
not guilty plea, for example, may spark public outrage that they are not
taking a responsibility for their alleged actions. Prosecutors and defense attorneys may also be
negotiating behind the scenes, potentially discussing a plea agreement, wondering about that,
what do you think Idaho's a death penalty state. This series of murders is
particularly heinous in that four young people were brutally murdered. It would appear by
an offender. And if Koburger's found guilty, I think there's a very strong
chance that he may be headed into a death penalty case. His attorneys,
we'll have a job to do, and I think one of their goals maybe
to try to keep him alive. They may be trying to head off a
death penalty charge. And there may be some effort to plead down to something
that would result in perhaps life imprisonment without parole, something like that. I
don't know about all this standing silent stuff. He did actually speak at other
points. He did answer a couple of questions I saw from watching the available
video. But then when it comes to the place where you're actually asked,
how do you plead? That's when he pulls this kind of odd stunt.
And it didn't serve Nicholas Cruz down in Florida particularly well. And I don't
think it's going to make one wit of difference in the Coburger case. They've
got to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he's responsible for these four homicides.
His decision to plead not guilty effectively by saying nothing. I think it's essentially
meaningless. I think there are times that Coburger may act like he thinks he's
the smartest person in the room, and he may think that, and it's
possible he is. But I don't think he's going to get away with murder.
I just the fact that Cne actually said flatted and the reporting they took
that into consideration. A quote from the Idaho law professor Newton did say it
could simply be the defendant is being difficult and not wanting to cooperate, and
a Seattle lawyer, Raymer, followed that up by saying, maybe he's just
trying to be defiant or attempting to show he's the smartest guy in the courtroom.
And she mentioned that he does have that background as a criminology student,
and she said he knew enough about criminal studies that it would have an impact
on him. If you're right, and if he's just pulling this, I'm
the smartest guy in the room. No one's going to expect me to do
this. I'm going to do it. Attorney Bremner also noted by the way,
there's no insanity defense in the state of Idaho, so that is off
the table. This is going to be interesting, Like these other cases,
probably going to take a long time to get to resolution, and death penalty
cases if we go down that road hand to be appealed, and extremely long
in duration, years and years, sometimes even decades. I am wondering if
he's going to lead out at some point or another. I'm wondering if there's
a plea deal in the works behind the scenes. It's something that I've been
wondering about from the beginning, just to get the death penalty off the table.
I'm wondering if he's going to be willing to do that, But who
knows. He's also said any number of times so that he's looking forward to
proving his own innocence at his trial. So I think it could be also
that he has enough of an ego that he wants to do the grandstanding of
the trial. All I can say is I'm rooting for the families of these
victims, and our hearts go out to them. This whole thing just seems
like such a shame for very promising young people wiped out in an evening and
then the more we learn about Coburger, the more of a creepstir it seems
to be. I think the picture that will ultimately be painted here is going
to be one that is extremely disturbing. I hope that he doesn't pull a
Tad Bundy and decide to represent himself in court, because quite frankly, I
wouldn't put it past him that'll go nowhere. He's still going to end up
either spending the rest of his life in jail, in my opinion, or
face a firing squad. They've actually brought the firing squad back in Idaho,
which seems a little archaic to me, but cool. My Frank Coberger's case
is set to go to trial on October second of this year, and that's
expected to be about six weeks in length, so expect every podcast that you
listen to around that time to start doing reporting on the Idaho four again,
and of course we won't be doing our reporting on that as well. We
also wanted to mention some other events that are coming up where if you are
interested in learning more about true crime and maybe meeting us face to face,
there'll be a couple of opportunities coming up. We're going to be attending the
True Crime Podcast and Paranormal Festivil, which is a mouthful. I'm a fan
of the paranormal. I'm not sure that true crime and paranormal will necessarily go
together, but I don't know. But that's where you get Unsolved mysteries.
Though that that's true, You're absolutely right, and I am a fan of
unsolved mysteries. We were saddened to learn that the Unsolved Mysteries podcast was being
discontinued and our French d French will be now using that masterful voice on lots
of other projects. Oh, I was so heartbroken. The True Crime Podcast
and Paranormal Festival is going to be in Austin, Texas, one of our
favorite places. The dates are August twenty fifth through the twenty seventh. If
you're able to get down that way, we would love to see you.
It's going to be held at the Double Tree by Hilton Hotel, where I
have spoken before. Beautiful town, Lots to do and see and this should
be lots of fun. And we're actually going to be reporting out on the
Phoenix Canal killer case as well as the Colonial Parkway murders in conjunction with other
podcasters it should be really fun. I think it should be too. We'll
mix in some lighthearted moments to offset any of the heavy stuff that we cover.
Julie Murray is going to be down there or talking to about ethics and
true crime. She's one of our favorite people and we were very happy to
interview her a few months ago, so I think that's going to be a
fantastic event. Following that, by about a month, we're going to be
heading back to crime Con. The dates this year are September twenty two through
twenty four, and that's down in Orlando, Florida at the World Center Marriott.
If you're a crime con fan, if this is your first time going,
or I think this is my fifth and your fourth my fourth, Yeah,
I think this is five times for me. There's only been six crime
cons we skipped the first year. Crime Con should be lots of fun.
That one is very large sale. I think they're about five thousand people there
year in Las Vegas. It really was quite crazy. And we've applied to
a peer on podcast Row again, so we'll let you know once we get
confirmed on that. Those two events are both opportunities for us to meet you
face to face and We would love that as well as for you to say
hello and maybe get a chance to do a selfie or do some chat.
It'll be fun regardless, so True Crime Podcast Festival August twenty fifth through the
twenty seventh in Austin, Texas and Crime Con September twenty two through twenty four
in Orlando. Absolutely, it's going to be a lot of fun. And
then we do have some Colonial Parkway Murders specific events that are coming up in
October in Virginia. We're not quite ready to release all the details on those
yet, but please do look for information both on mind Over Murder and Colonial
Parkway Murders as we start developing more specific dates and times and details. We
would love to be able to share all of these interesting things that are going
on with you all, so please be on the lookout for those. We've
got a busy summer and fall, don't we. We sure do. And
boy, even though our last week's podcast has only been out for a day,
we're getting fantastic feedback on this latest episode we did with author Catherine Kate
Miles on the impact of her book Trailed on the nineteen ninety six murder case
of Julie Williams and Lolly Wine and we absolutely love Kate. And of course
Kristen and Kate had a chance to meet face to face, yeah, just
recently and it was really love fest And I think Kate is an amazing writer
and a very inspirational individual. And if you haven't had a chance to check
that out, please do. The feedback so far, even though it's only
been for less than a day, is really amazingly positive and I think that's
to Kate's credit. Also when I give a shout out. By the time
we have when we are recording this, I will not have done this event
yet, but by the time this podcast comes out, I will have.
So we're in a little bit of a time work here, but let go.
Are we in the spacetime continuum? Now we're messed up. We're messed
up in the spacetime continuum as of the time that we are recording this.
I am looking forward to attending the Hope Without Boundaries five k which is being
sponsored by the Black and Missing Foundation that's in Washington, DC this coming up
weekend. I am looking forward to going to running, to meeting all of
the folks from Black and Missing and to being able to use what I love
to do, which is running to advocate for those people who are missing and
murdered. And I think it's going to be an absolute blast. So by
the time you guys hear this, I will have run it. But as
if right now when we're recording it, I have not. So let's see
that means that the future is past or the pastest future or the pastest prologue.
The little weird, isn't it. But I have no doubt it's going
to be a great event. The weather already looks like it's going to be
very nice, and I've taken Friday off school. I'm going to look forward
to being able to drive up there, see some of the museums, go
do my race on Saturday, see some friends. I think it's going to
be very good time. Why do I have the overwhelming urge to say something
like the future is and we're very excited that you're able to run and show
support for the Black and Missing Foundation in all seriousness, fantastic organization, doing
great work. And you may recall that we interviewed Dereka Natalie Wilson, the
fabulous duo horse sisters in law who founded the Black and Missing Foundation, and
we are major fans of these two amazing women, and I'm so glad you're
able to go and do this thing. I think this is going to be
a lot of fun, and this is definitely giving me ideas for things that
we can do as a podcast to help promote our specific causes and cases.
So starting to think, can we design our own five K? I think
we might. I like it. That's going to do it for this episode
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Over Murder. We'll see you next time. Mind Over Murder is a production
of Absolute Zero and Another Dog Productions. Our executive producers Bill Thomas and Kristin
Dilley. Our logo art is by Pamela Arnois. Our theme music is by
Kevin McLeod. Mind Over Murder is distributed in partnership with Coral Space Media.
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