WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.960 --> 00:00:08.640 It's time for Coffee and Company, fueled by Thornton's on Sports Talk seven nine 2 00:00:08.720 --> 00:00:38.320 day. Now here's Nick Coffee. All right, let's finish strong here our 3 00:00:38.359 --> 00:00:42.039 final hour here on a hump day edition of Coffee and Company, fueled by 4 00:00:42.039 --> 00:00:46.039 Thornton's right here on Sports Talk seven ninety Nick Coffee. That's me the company 5 00:00:46.039 --> 00:00:49.039 manage on all alongside today two hours in with one more to go, and 6 00:00:49.039 --> 00:00:52.079 as I mentioned, we're going to try to finish strong. We did talk 7 00:00:52.119 --> 00:00:56.439 about the Rick Bettino tweet. We've actually talked about that quite a bit today 8 00:00:56.920 --> 00:01:00.759 and what I said to start the show I feel like has kind of proven 9 00:01:00.799 --> 00:01:03.400 to be at least somewhat true, and that is that in radio, regardless 10 00:01:03.439 --> 00:01:07.120 of what type of radio you do as a broadcaster, you could be playing 11 00:01:07.200 --> 00:01:12.079 music, you could be news talk, sports talk, whatever, play the 12 00:01:12.159 --> 00:01:15.959 hits like that's one of the cliches you hear. That is legit. Like 13 00:01:15.760 --> 00:01:19.920 even if you feel as if you've talked about it enough, you feel like 14 00:01:19.959 --> 00:01:23.040 you've been repetitive as a host. You know, the audience changes over and 15 00:01:23.040 --> 00:01:26.480 if there's a big talking point out there, you got to play the hits. 16 00:01:26.519 --> 00:01:30.680 You got to keep hammering it. And this is not a big story 17 00:01:30.719 --> 00:01:34.760 by any means, but Rick Patino always was a hit in radio because when 18 00:01:34.840 --> 00:01:37.640 Rick talked, it would get reaction out of people because he just had that 19 00:01:37.959 --> 00:01:41.719 impact. Caliperi was the same way, and honestly, they still are. 20 00:01:41.760 --> 00:01:48.079 They're just not here anymore. So Rick Patino after making Louisville fans sad after 21 00:01:48.319 --> 00:01:52.519 going on pardon my Take without realizing that he was actually on Kentucky Sports radio 22 00:01:52.879 --> 00:01:55.760 and just talking about how much he loved it's time at Kentucky and loves the 23 00:01:55.760 --> 00:01:59.920 fans and understands why they were, you know, feeling the way they felt 24 00:02:00.000 --> 00:02:02.239 about him when he was coaching at Louisville and he donated money to the Kentucky 25 00:02:02.280 --> 00:02:08.159 football program with nil, which is just weird like that. That really bothered 26 00:02:08.199 --> 00:02:13.280 some Louisville fans and some of them said they're done with Rick. And I'm 27 00:02:13.319 --> 00:02:16.439 not at all saying that you are out of line or that's an un that's 28 00:02:16.439 --> 00:02:21.360 a normal reaction. It's a guy who brought a national championship here to Louisville, 29 00:02:21.360 --> 00:02:27.159 and Louisville fans really, you know, defended him to Kentucky fans and 30 00:02:27.199 --> 00:02:30.199 to people who you know, claimed he was a dirty cheater that needed to 31 00:02:30.240 --> 00:02:34.599 be fired. But like Rick doesn't think about that, most coaches don't. 32 00:02:35.520 --> 00:02:38.039 So again, I think it's a normal reaction for fans to not like hearing 33 00:02:38.080 --> 00:02:42.400 that him gush about his time in Kentucky. But if you you know, 34 00:02:42.479 --> 00:02:45.479 as I said at the time when this became a thing a couple weeks ago, 35 00:02:45.599 --> 00:02:49.439 if you really think about it, and if it's possible for you to 36 00:02:49.439 --> 00:02:52.879 put hit pause on the you know, the rivalry emotion that is flowing through 37 00:02:52.960 --> 00:02:55.639 us twenty four seven, three sixty five is a very normal thing for him 38 00:02:55.639 --> 00:03:00.159 to feel that way about Kentucky when you consider his career. I mean, 39 00:03:00.199 --> 00:03:04.560 even if he didn't get fired at Louisville and he retired or something, I 40 00:03:04.599 --> 00:03:07.680 don't think he would have said anything different about his time in Kentucky because he 41 00:03:08.879 --> 00:03:14.560 loved it there and when he was there he was a king. Heck, 42 00:03:14.639 --> 00:03:17.520 he might have even said it whenever he was at Louisville if it wasn't been 43 00:03:17.560 --> 00:03:21.240 if it wouldn't have been for Cali Perry, who was there for a good 44 00:03:21.280 --> 00:03:27.599 chunk of Rick's time as the Louisville coach. So I think blinders were on 45 00:03:27.800 --> 00:03:30.439 even for me at the time, because the rivalry was so intense during the 46 00:03:30.520 --> 00:03:34.199 Rick and Calier. We'll never get that again, at least I don't think. 47 00:03:34.520 --> 00:03:37.039 I can't see a scenario where we will. That was a personal rivalry 48 00:03:37.080 --> 00:03:44.400 between those two guys that just was again intense. So I don't know if 49 00:03:44.439 --> 00:03:46.879 Rick even knew Louisville fans were mad about what he said about UK fans and 50 00:03:49.560 --> 00:03:54.120 him donating to the UK football program in il collective. But today he puts 51 00:03:54.120 --> 00:03:59.280 something out there on social media that I mean, judging from the reaction that 52 00:03:59.319 --> 00:04:00.719 I've heard from you guys and seen on the text line, I mean, 53 00:04:01.000 --> 00:04:03.240 I think people are acknowledging that, like it was nice for him to do 54 00:04:03.280 --> 00:04:05.560 that, but like some people are just still done with him because of what 55 00:04:05.599 --> 00:04:09.360 he said about UK. And again, as much as I think that's kind 56 00:04:09.360 --> 00:04:13.800 of crazy, I get it, because again that's how crazy this rivalry is. 57 00:04:14.360 --> 00:04:17.439 But here's what Rick posted earlier that has seemed to have put him at 58 00:04:17.480 --> 00:04:20.720 least back in the good graces of some Louisville fans, and that is a 59 00:04:20.759 --> 00:04:26.279 tweet that includes a picture. I'll read the tweet first before I share what 60 00:04:26.399 --> 00:04:28.800 is in the picture. But a lot of you probably aren't seen him by 61 00:04:28.800 --> 00:04:31.240 now, but it says warms my heart to see my guys together. Let's 62 00:04:31.279 --> 00:04:33.480 win this thing. He's talking about the TVT by the way, and then 63 00:04:33.519 --> 00:04:39.480 he mentioned Resticulous, and I say resticulous because that's Russ's Twitter handle. Resticulous 64 00:04:39.680 --> 00:04:42.839 says, sell your great bourbon, no drinking it? Like that's a funny 65 00:04:42.920 --> 00:04:45.680 dad joke. Right. The kids are back together having a good time. 66 00:04:45.720 --> 00:04:49.160 They're gonna go compete to try to win some money as grown ups with families 67 00:04:49.199 --> 00:04:51.639 and children, like they've all grown up and moved on, but now they're 68 00:04:51.680 --> 00:04:56.759 back together for a run here in the TVT and Rick's telling them, hey, 69 00:04:56.800 --> 00:04:59.759 guys, go get it done. Let's win this thing. But don't 70 00:04:59.759 --> 00:05:02.079 you don't you be drinking that bourbon now? Like it's such a dad joke 71 00:05:02.680 --> 00:05:05.800 and it's wholesome, and you know, I'm a sucker for that kind of 72 00:05:05.800 --> 00:05:09.120 stuff, I guess, right, Like I'm a Louisville fan like everybody else. 73 00:05:09.600 --> 00:05:13.120 I mean this that was cool to see because everybody that's in this picture 74 00:05:13.199 --> 00:05:16.560 is most of them are very memorable Louisville players. For some of them are 75 00:05:16.600 --> 00:05:20.680 different reasons, but all of them had a big impact at Louisville. Luke 76 00:05:20.720 --> 00:05:26.160 Kencock, MP, Russ Smith, one of the all time great players ever 77 00:05:26.199 --> 00:05:29.600 to play here. The best player I ever watched play in a Louisville uniform, 78 00:05:30.160 --> 00:05:34.519 Shane Behannon live. It doun't beat Michigan without but without Shane Behannon's contribution 79 00:05:34.600 --> 00:05:40.079 in twenty twenty. In twenty thirteen, especially in the game again, you 80 00:05:40.120 --> 00:05:43.680 know against Mitch McGarry, I think was the guy who was the big for 81 00:05:44.000 --> 00:05:46.040 Michigan at that time. I haven't said that name in forever. I forgot 82 00:05:46.040 --> 00:05:48.800 about him, but Shane was a was a monster in that game. Or 83 00:05:48.920 --> 00:05:53.079 Clark, you know, one of the first real big recruits for Rick at 84 00:05:53.120 --> 00:05:57.000 Louisville, and those those years were successful. Back to back Elite eights. 85 00:05:57.160 --> 00:06:00.879 Peyton Siva, one of the best point guards ever won you at championship. 86 00:06:00.319 --> 00:06:03.680 Chris Jones not a highlight in his career that I can think of, but 87 00:06:03.720 --> 00:06:08.720 he was certainly a good player. Rehees Gaines, first round draft pick, 88 00:06:08.800 --> 00:06:12.199 one of the all time greats to play here as far as production, scored 89 00:06:12.240 --> 00:06:15.959 a ton of points and really he was the star player for Rick's first good 90 00:06:16.000 --> 00:06:20.680 run here, which was I guess his second season and then David Johnson and 91 00:06:20.759 --> 00:06:25.480 Dylan Avar. David Johnson didn't play for Rick, but Rick recruited him. 92 00:06:25.480 --> 00:06:28.240 He committed to Rick at Louisville and still ended up playing here. So you 93 00:06:28.279 --> 00:06:30.920 know, it's good to see that. So I don't bring this up to 94 00:06:30.000 --> 00:06:34.199 like tell people, Hey, everybody lighting up on Rick because you can think 95 00:06:34.199 --> 00:06:38.199 what you want. I don't care. He's not the coach here. It 96 00:06:38.240 --> 00:06:41.680 really doesn't matter, right, Like, once Louisville basketball season starts, we're 97 00:06:41.680 --> 00:06:46.879 not going to be fun. If Louisville gets rolling and Pat Kelsey gets off 98 00:06:46.920 --> 00:06:49.600 to a great start and they have a good season, make the tournament and 99 00:06:49.600 --> 00:06:54.319 there's a lot of momentum after just one year, people are going to be 100 00:06:55.079 --> 00:06:58.399 ecstatic, not just because you know, it's been a little while since we've 101 00:06:58.600 --> 00:07:00.279 had that and we were so bad in the last few years, but also 102 00:07:00.360 --> 00:07:04.600 like it's just it's it'll be it'll be awesome, and you won't think about 103 00:07:04.680 --> 00:07:09.000 Rick ever. I mean you won't. I mean maybe here and there, 104 00:07:09.040 --> 00:07:15.480 but like you know, you're gonna be focused on Louisville. So I do 105 00:07:15.519 --> 00:07:19.560 think one day Rick will be back and be honored, and I think it'll 106 00:07:19.560 --> 00:07:25.160 have to include these guys, maybe not all of them, but those that 107 00:07:25.240 --> 00:07:28.480 were a part of that championship team. They were really, really special to 108 00:07:28.560 --> 00:07:30.240 Rick. And I'm sure a lot of these players, all of them are 109 00:07:30.240 --> 00:07:32.319 special in a certain way, but Luke Hancock, Russ Smith, Payton, 110 00:07:32.360 --> 00:07:35.240 Siva, those are guys that I feel like if there's a time when that 111 00:07:35.279 --> 00:07:39.199 group is honored once again, like let's say they bring the banner back, 112 00:07:39.759 --> 00:07:43.480 which eventually they probably will. I don't know when that is, but let's 113 00:07:43.519 --> 00:07:47.279 just say it's around the time of the fifteen year reunion for that team, 114 00:07:47.480 --> 00:07:50.040 and if you're close to it, like if it's you know, I don't 115 00:07:50.040 --> 00:07:51.879 know. There's a part of me that says, if they get clearance to 116 00:07:51.879 --> 00:07:56.120 do it, they'll do it that day, or maybe they get clearance to 117 00:07:56.160 --> 00:07:58.160 know that they're allowed to do it, and they keep it under wraps, 118 00:07:58.199 --> 00:08:01.439 and then they make it official that when they honor that twenty thirteen team, 119 00:08:01.680 --> 00:08:05.000 which I guess would be in twenty twenty eight, they you know, at 120 00:08:05.000 --> 00:08:09.160 that point, they bring Rick and if those guys asked him to come and 121 00:08:09.199 --> 00:08:16.800 he's not currently coaching somewhere and you know he's available, I think he would 122 00:08:16.839 --> 00:08:22.639 do it for those guys, and this is probably I mean, I think 123 00:08:22.720 --> 00:08:24.519 Rick liked his time at Louisville. I mean he had a lot of success. 124 00:08:24.600 --> 00:08:28.360 I mean, Louisville's just like Kentucky. I mean Rick was able to 125 00:08:28.480 --> 00:08:33.679 utilize a great programs with great resources, and he's a hell of a coach. 126 00:08:33.720 --> 00:08:35.600 Right, That's a good recipe to have a lot of success. So, 127 00:08:37.039 --> 00:08:39.320 you know, I'm sure Rick, in his mind probably thinks that it 128 00:08:39.360 --> 00:08:41.440 was mostly him, And maybe it was. I don't know, but I 129 00:08:41.440 --> 00:08:43.960 don't think he feels as if, like, you know, he wants Louisville 130 00:08:43.000 --> 00:08:46.120 to be terrible, but he's still better about everything that happened. And I 131 00:08:46.159 --> 00:08:54.440 think that's more of a normal reaction than people realize. So I think he'll 132 00:08:54.440 --> 00:08:58.519 eventually be be back and it'll be you know, it'll be a good day 133 00:08:58.519 --> 00:09:03.000 when that happens. Maybe I'm wrong. Only time will tell. Here's what 134 00:09:03.000 --> 00:09:05.840 I could see happening, and maybe it does. Like because Rick is stubborn, 135 00:09:07.799 --> 00:09:09.639 if he's asked to like be a part of it, I bet he 136 00:09:09.720 --> 00:09:13.759 tries to, like parlay Jurich being involved to because he's still I mean, 137 00:09:13.840 --> 00:09:18.679 wasn't in just a year ago, he randomly tweeted out like Tom Jurich, 138 00:09:18.080 --> 00:09:20.559 I neededn't say like, hey, Tom Jurch needs a job, but kind 139 00:09:20.600 --> 00:09:26.679 of something along those lines. So I don't know, somebody made a good 140 00:09:26.679 --> 00:09:28.360 point earlier on the text line, and I don't have it in front of 141 00:09:28.399 --> 00:09:35.559 him anymore. But whenever, whenever, like the coach in the in the 142 00:09:35.600 --> 00:09:39.960 ad or like two, it kind of feels like your parents are fighting, 143 00:09:39.039 --> 00:09:46.600 right, Like if as a fan, you know you want you want everybody 144 00:09:46.600 --> 00:09:50.639 to be on the same page, right, especially former players because like if 145 00:09:50.679 --> 00:09:52.639 you, I can't think of any great examples, to be honest with you, 146 00:09:52.679 --> 00:10:00.480 but like when former players are bothered by the current team or the coach, 147 00:10:00.639 --> 00:10:03.240 like that's just like that. Nobody wins in that situation. Fans, 148 00:10:03.360 --> 00:10:05.679 I guess honestly, fans don't win because you know you want to take sides, 149 00:10:05.759 --> 00:10:07.840 right, you love everybody the same way. Now, clearly, at 150 00:10:07.840 --> 00:10:11.600 this point, I think all Louisville fans would take the sides of these players 151 00:10:11.600 --> 00:10:16.799 because you know they're still around. In fact, this isn't quite what he 152 00:10:16.840 --> 00:10:18.159 did. In fact, it's not really close as far as what he did 153 00:10:18.200 --> 00:10:22.240 for Mark Pope. Whenever, Rick, you know, went out of his 154 00:10:22.279 --> 00:10:26.679 way to film a video posted congratulating Mark Pope, saying he'd give him an 155 00:10:26.679 --> 00:10:30.759 asle money and how happy he is for him. But you know, Peyton 156 00:10:30.759 --> 00:10:35.799 Sevas should have gotten some level of like congratulations from from from Rick Patino in 157 00:10:35.120 --> 00:10:37.639 my opinion, for being on the staff. He's not the head coach here 158 00:10:37.840 --> 00:10:41.080 like Mark Pope is. But that did seem a little petty on Rick's part. 159 00:10:41.200 --> 00:10:43.159 And maybe this, I don't know, maybe if that's the way you 160 00:10:43.159 --> 00:10:46.080 think, maybe this, I mean, maybe this tweet that he sent out 161 00:10:46.080 --> 00:10:50.159 today changes things for you. But all right, we'll let you hear more 162 00:10:50.159 --> 00:10:52.799 of the Pat Kelsey interview with Andy Katz. So if you guys are just 163 00:10:52.840 --> 00:10:56.840 now joining us, Andy Katz got about a sixteen minute interview with Pat Kelsey 164 00:10:56.320 --> 00:11:01.000 earlier this week. I think it was I don't know it was filmed, 165 00:11:01.320 --> 00:11:05.960 but it was made public today at the NABC website. We played the first 166 00:11:05.000 --> 00:11:07.360 half of it. We'll let you guys hear the other half of it once 167 00:11:07.399 --> 00:11:11.360 we get to our first break here in the five o'clock hour. But something 168 00:11:11.360 --> 00:11:15.039 that I've brought up a couple things on many coet do before we get there, 169 00:11:15.080 --> 00:11:18.480 A couple things I've brought up when it comes to the tvt as Montrez 170 00:11:18.480 --> 00:11:20.559 Harrel situation, Like I just kept assuming, like, hey, it'd be 171 00:11:20.600 --> 00:11:24.440 great for trees to play. I love that he wants to play. He's 172 00:11:24.440 --> 00:11:26.159 going to really give Louisville a good chance here in the TBT to make a 173 00:11:26.159 --> 00:11:30.320 deep run. But I just kind of felt like there's no way he'd be 174 00:11:30.360 --> 00:11:33.919 available because he's proven to be a really good NBA player. In last year 175 00:11:33.919 --> 00:11:37.759 he did not he didn't play, was not a roster and I just assumed 176 00:11:37.759 --> 00:11:39.879 it was because you know, and it was he was injured. But I 177 00:11:39.879 --> 00:11:43.840 thought now that he's healthy and in good shape that like somebody would pick him 178 00:11:43.919 --> 00:11:46.039 up, like him just not being in the NBA makes no sense to me. 179 00:11:46.960 --> 00:11:50.600 Well, now apparently he's opened up as to what he believes is a 180 00:11:50.639 --> 00:11:56.200 factor in him being left out of the NBA. It was a Player's Tribune 181 00:11:56.360 --> 00:12:00.519 interview where he was pretty I mean, I'm gonna read some quot here from 182 00:12:00.519 --> 00:12:03.039 this interview, but you know, there's a lot of words I can't say 183 00:12:03.039 --> 00:12:07.000 because you know, he was pretty I mean, dropped some cuss words that 184 00:12:07.720 --> 00:12:11.000 maybe that's just treesby and Trez but I think he's pretty emotional about it, 185 00:12:11.480 --> 00:12:15.600 and some of the things he shared are just him sharing what happened. But 186 00:12:16.120 --> 00:12:24.600 apparently Paul George was, you know, a big factor in Trees seemingly being 187 00:12:24.679 --> 00:12:30.080 blackballed by the NBA. And I'll read, I don't want to read like 188 00:12:30.080 --> 00:12:31.639 an entire article, but I'm going to try to get you to give you 189 00:12:31.679 --> 00:12:35.759 the full breakdown here. But when Trees was at the Clippers, they went 190 00:12:35.799 --> 00:12:39.600 to the Bubble, and if you remember, in the Bubble, they got 191 00:12:39.639 --> 00:12:43.480 upset by Denver. Denver was not the Denver that you know was a title 192 00:12:43.519 --> 00:12:45.919 contender at that point. That was a big upset. I mean, in 193 00:12:45.960 --> 00:12:48.960 fact, Utah should have beat Denver. In the first round of those Bubble 194 00:12:48.960 --> 00:12:52.399 playoffs. It was Donovan Mitchell and the Jamal Murray Show, and Murray and 195 00:12:52.440 --> 00:12:56.360 the Nuggets got passed, which, by the way, at that point, 196 00:12:56.399 --> 00:12:58.799 I mean, I feel like Murray was a bigger star in that postseason. 197 00:12:58.799 --> 00:13:03.120 But nonetheless, Murray and the Nuggets got past Utah and then they upset the 198 00:13:03.320 --> 00:13:05.879 Clippers. That was the Clippers' best window to actually win a title, and 199 00:13:07.159 --> 00:13:09.320 they came up short. And Trees was a big factor on the team. 200 00:13:09.320 --> 00:13:13.159 That's the year he won six Man of the Year. But in the bubble 201 00:13:13.720 --> 00:13:16.879 he got into it with Paul Pierre, or not Paul Pierce, but Paul 202 00:13:16.879 --> 00:13:22.360 George, and apparently that's frowned upon. So here's the article. It says, 203 00:13:22.360 --> 00:13:26.200 I get back. We're basically in the playoffs. Fast forward and we're 204 00:13:26.200 --> 00:13:28.840 in the middle of a game versus Denver, which, by the way, 205 00:13:28.840 --> 00:13:31.039 I forgot about this component. I think it was Trees's grandmother who passed away, 206 00:13:31.639 --> 00:13:35.720 so he was late arriving for the posts for the playoffs because he was 207 00:13:35.759 --> 00:13:39.840 attending her funeral and he was very close with his grandmother. But he says, 208 00:13:39.879 --> 00:13:41.600 I get back. We're basically in the playoffs. Fast forward. We're 209 00:13:41.639 --> 00:13:45.240 in the middle of a game versus Denver. We set up a play. 210 00:13:45.279 --> 00:13:50.200 Everybody says they're switching one through five type of bleep. Everybody knows coverage. 211 00:13:50.360 --> 00:13:52.919 Then in the game the situation comes. It's in the pick and roll with 212 00:13:54.440 --> 00:13:58.279 PG Jamal Murray, Yokich and me. Screen comes, I yell switch, 213 00:13:58.639 --> 00:14:01.039 we switch it. He's still fights over the screen. Yokic slips down in 214 00:14:01.039 --> 00:14:05.759 the middle of the lane, Boom shoots, gets the points, and Doc 215 00:14:05.799 --> 00:14:09.720 calls a time out just like that. So miscommunication between Tres and Paul George. 216 00:14:09.759 --> 00:14:16.080 They go to the huddle because Doc called the time out. And this 217 00:14:16.120 --> 00:14:20.360 is, according to Tres, the exchange between him and Paul George on the 218 00:14:20.399 --> 00:14:22.919 way to the huddle. I said, Bro, that's a switch. Pee. 219 00:14:22.480 --> 00:14:26.559 He's like, no, I thought, and I'm like, Bro, 220 00:14:26.799 --> 00:14:30.759 ain't no. I thought it's a switch. Bro. Everybody in this bleep 221 00:14:31.240 --> 00:14:33.799 knows the coverage, but you. He was like, Hey, who are 222 00:14:33.799 --> 00:14:37.399 you talking to? Okay, time out. I'm simple. I'm a real 223 00:14:37.600 --> 00:14:39.919 m effort. That's why a lot of people, I think don't like me. 224 00:14:39.919 --> 00:14:43.639 At the end of the day. Everybody's out here in between these lines 225 00:14:43.679 --> 00:14:48.799 because we're trying to one feed our family, but to do some s you 226 00:14:48.840 --> 00:14:52.080 know, some bleep for the team, the organization for the city. Real 227 00:14:52.120 --> 00:14:54.559 talk. So he says, I came back to the bubble for this after 228 00:14:54.600 --> 00:14:56.480 having to bury my grandma on the ground, Bro, the person who raised 229 00:14:56.480 --> 00:14:58.879 me, the reason I play this game. I was so effed up ment 230 00:15:00.559 --> 00:15:03.639 more than I ever knew. All Right, with that in mind, I 231 00:15:03.679 --> 00:15:07.360 told Pee right then and there in front of the coaches and everybody, quote, 232 00:15:07.720 --> 00:15:11.039 I will knock you the f out, Bro, you're tripping. You 233 00:15:11.200 --> 00:15:13.360 was wrong, Bro, you was wrong. Now this is trest saying I 234 00:15:13.360 --> 00:15:16.240 can look back on that now and realize I went too far in the heat 235 00:15:16.240 --> 00:15:20.360 of the moment, I realized this is a business and you can't talk like 236 00:15:20.399 --> 00:15:22.480 that to the star player. But when you're going through grief, you only 237 00:15:22.519 --> 00:15:26.159 see what's right in front of you, and it was just all bad from 238 00:15:26.200 --> 00:15:28.960 there. We lost in the second round to Denver in seven games. The 239 00:15:28.960 --> 00:15:33.000 next summer, the Clippers sent me a text message saying something like, thank 240 00:15:33.039 --> 00:15:35.039 you for everything you did for us, but we're going to go in a 241 00:15:35.080 --> 00:15:37.480 different direction. I was in the conversation for six Man of the Year three 242 00:15:37.519 --> 00:15:41.519 straight years, a two year finalist, and I won it in the third 243 00:15:41.559 --> 00:15:43.440 year. But I didn't get an offer to resign with the Clippers after that, 244 00:15:45.440 --> 00:15:50.919 So that actually explains things as to why it's soured in LA. I 245 00:15:50.919 --> 00:15:52.960 mean, Paul George at that time, and until just a couple of weeks 246 00:15:52.960 --> 00:15:58.759 ago, he was the franchise player for the Clippers, even honestly, probably 247 00:16:00.279 --> 00:16:02.840 of Kawhi, because Kawhi was actually I mean, those guys are always hurt, 248 00:16:02.960 --> 00:16:08.919 but Kawhi has hurt more so, here's the guy who has soured his 249 00:16:08.960 --> 00:16:14.159 relationship with the star player. And as good as Tres was, they're not 250 00:16:14.240 --> 00:16:17.919 gonna if they're gonna keep Paul George happy. And Paul George was bothered by, 251 00:16:18.879 --> 00:16:22.120 you know, a bench player tell him he's gonna knock him out, 252 00:16:22.159 --> 00:16:25.159 which you know is Trev's acknowledged, like you can't do that, right, 253 00:16:25.919 --> 00:16:30.080 So you know, I'm sure that happens more often than than you know, 254 00:16:32.360 --> 00:16:34.639 just this. I'm sure this is not like an isolated thing where nobody's ever 255 00:16:34.639 --> 00:16:38.399 done that. But you know, Trez really believes that that that's that's what's 256 00:16:38.480 --> 00:16:42.039 led to him not being able to get an opportunity. And I don't know 257 00:16:42.039 --> 00:16:45.639 if that's true or not, but like this at least makes it make sense, 258 00:16:45.679 --> 00:16:52.120 because again, you can't look at Montrez Harrel's production in the NBA and 259 00:16:52.159 --> 00:16:56.799 say that at the age of thirty, that he's that he's done, like 260 00:16:57.000 --> 00:17:02.360 you know, if he's washed up and he can't provide value to a team. 261 00:17:02.399 --> 00:17:06.160 Because here's here's the great thing for Tres. What Tres does is always 262 00:17:06.200 --> 00:17:08.480 going to have value to a team. He's going to play with a motor 263 00:17:08.519 --> 00:17:12.319 that never stops he's going to be more intense than anybody else on the floor, 264 00:17:14.160 --> 00:17:17.400 and he's going to run rim to rim and dunk the ball if it's 265 00:17:17.400 --> 00:17:18.799 a if it's if he's near the room, he's gonna dunk on somebody or 266 00:17:18.880 --> 00:17:22.839 or he's going to try and he's going to outwork you. And by the 267 00:17:22.880 --> 00:17:26.359 way, he's a really good player. He's a smart player, he's skilled. 268 00:17:26.799 --> 00:17:29.319 I mean, I think he worked on a lot of things to get 269 00:17:29.359 --> 00:17:30.640 to the NBA that really weren't needed, right, He worked on his three 270 00:17:30.640 --> 00:17:33.680 point shot. He shot a lot of threes his last year here. But 271 00:17:33.759 --> 00:17:41.079 what made trez a you know nearly nearly eight seven, eight year pro and 272 00:17:41.160 --> 00:17:47.160 again he won the NBA six Man of the Award was was really what made 273 00:17:47.240 --> 00:17:48.319 him a great player from the time he was in high school. A guy 274 00:17:48.319 --> 00:17:53.799 who has a relentless motor, never stops, freakish athletic, freakish athletically and 275 00:17:53.880 --> 00:17:57.559 you know, has a wingspan that like doesn't even seem real. So, 276 00:17:59.400 --> 00:18:03.279 you know, the last time he played in the league and was getting you 277 00:18:03.279 --> 00:18:10.880 know, legitimate minutes was in twenty twenty two, so that was two seasons 278 00:18:10.920 --> 00:18:14.720 ago. You know, he played twenty five games in that in that he 279 00:18:14.759 --> 00:18:18.759 played twenty one minutes per game and averaged eleven points, five rebounds, two 280 00:18:18.799 --> 00:18:23.559 assists in half a block. That is efficient and productive in your That is 281 00:18:23.599 --> 00:18:26.759 a phenomenal stat line in that amount of time. And keep in mind, 282 00:18:26.799 --> 00:18:30.480 this is a guy who are not They're not running things for him. He's 283 00:18:30.599 --> 00:18:33.039 just getting what he's earned. I mean, he's working his ass off and 284 00:18:33.079 --> 00:18:40.839 producing. So I mean in his career twelve points, five boards in twenty 285 00:18:40.880 --> 00:18:45.920 minutes per game. Maybe he's hit a wall and father time got him early, 286 00:18:45.920 --> 00:18:52.359 but I don't believe that. So I hate that that could potentially have 287 00:18:52.200 --> 00:18:56.720 kept him from having a longer NBA career. But at this point, the 288 00:18:56.759 --> 00:19:00.440 fact that he's not even being mentioned for free agency and he's playing in the 289 00:19:00.480 --> 00:19:04.759 TBT, I mean, it's unfortunate. I mean, I think it's at 290 00:19:04.759 --> 00:19:07.759 this point, like I think, just looking at what we know, I 291 00:19:07.799 --> 00:19:10.160 think it'd be a shocker to see that if he would be a shock to 292 00:19:10.160 --> 00:19:12.000 see if he gets a chance to come back to the NBA. Which again 293 00:19:12.119 --> 00:19:15.720 I'm clearly biased here because I love Tres and I think he's a great player, 294 00:19:15.720 --> 00:19:19.960 But like the results speak of themselves, like he's he's been a good 295 00:19:19.960 --> 00:19:23.559 player. All right, quick break, we'll come back on the other side. 296 00:19:23.640 --> 00:19:29.559 Let you guys hear the second half of that Pat kelcey Andy Katz conversation. 297 00:19:29.640 --> 00:19:32.559 And then before we get out of here, I saw something that I 298 00:19:32.640 --> 00:19:34.880 want to share with you guys, because as much as Bronnie James has been 299 00:19:34.880 --> 00:19:40.599 discussed, as far as Lebron and the nepotism that's going on, there's a 300 00:19:40.640 --> 00:19:44.480 component you can throw out there then nobody's talking about that actually makes it even 301 00:19:44.519 --> 00:19:47.680 worse when it comes to Lebron and this whole thing. So we'll get to 302 00:19:47.720 --> 00:19:49.000 that before we run out of time. Stick with us right here on Sports 303 00:19:49.039 --> 00:19:53.240 Talk seven ninety all right, So for the sake of time here, let's 304 00:19:53.319 --> 00:19:56.240 just jump right into it. This is the second half of the conversation between 305 00:19:56.240 --> 00:20:00.480 Andy Katz and Pat Kelsey. Again. I know we've heard from Pat Kelsey 306 00:20:00.559 --> 00:20:03.160 quite a bit, and I'd never get tired of it. He's the new 307 00:20:03.200 --> 00:20:06.880 coach. It's the honeymoon phase and we're still getting to know this guy. 308 00:20:06.920 --> 00:20:08.640 And yes, a lot of the things that he has been asked if has 309 00:20:08.680 --> 00:20:11.400 been you know, he's been asked a lot of the same questions. But 310 00:20:11.720 --> 00:20:15.920 again I thought this was still worth you guys hearing with Pat Kelsey and Ady 311 00:20:15.960 --> 00:20:19.519 Cats. So here's the second half of it right here. I'm not putting 312 00:20:19.559 --> 00:20:22.960 you on equal footing here, but in terms of you know, when I 313 00:20:23.000 --> 00:20:26.640 think of you, and I think of Dan Hurley and I think of Mark 314 00:20:26.680 --> 00:20:32.279 few in different ways. And now Mark's not as like out there like you 315 00:20:32.279 --> 00:20:37.680 know, passionate energy, but he's got great life balance. And that's the 316 00:20:37.720 --> 00:20:41.400 thread I see with the three of you, You and Dan. I think 317 00:20:41.440 --> 00:20:42.759 you know, obviously it's on your sleeve. You're out there, you're running 318 00:20:42.759 --> 00:20:48.599 around, you have passion. Life balance has been incredibly important to you, 319 00:20:48.640 --> 00:20:55.000 which I love and I admire. How do you balance, though, everything 320 00:20:55.000 --> 00:20:59.599 you've done with your family to keep everyone locked in in terms of like making 321 00:20:59.599 --> 00:21:03.759 sure you're present and taking over a program where you've got to be present, 322 00:21:03.799 --> 00:21:08.119 how do you do the two? Well, gosh darned to even mention my 323 00:21:08.240 --> 00:21:14.240 name in any type of sentence or paragraph with those two guys who are future 324 00:21:15.119 --> 00:21:19.480 Hall of famers is a little humbling. It's funny you mentioned coach Hurley, 325 00:21:19.559 --> 00:21:26.559 who's obviously won back to back national championships. He is a huge Bengals fan, 326 00:21:26.759 --> 00:21:29.920 and I am a huge Bengals fan. I have no idea why he's 327 00:21:29.920 --> 00:21:32.720 a Bengals fan because he's not from Cincinnati. So every time I walk past 328 00:21:32.759 --> 00:21:34.440 him, we just have this thing. I don't even like stop and talk 329 00:21:34.440 --> 00:21:37.640 to him. So we don't know each other that well, but we just 330 00:21:37.839 --> 00:21:38.920 walk, like if I see him in rock Hill in a couple of days 331 00:21:38.960 --> 00:21:44.240 or wherever we're going in Augusta or in Atlanta, we just say huday to 332 00:21:44.279 --> 00:21:49.440 each other and just keep walking. And then obviously coach FU. So yeah, 333 00:21:51.039 --> 00:21:55.119 faith family and who faith family and who faith family and who? And 334 00:21:55.599 --> 00:22:00.200 I don't have the bandwidth between these ears to be able to focus and be 335 00:22:00.279 --> 00:22:04.559 passionate about a lot of other things. But man, every single day, 336 00:22:04.559 --> 00:22:07.880 I'm gonna pour into those three things. And there's no such thing as true 337 00:22:07.960 --> 00:22:14.559 balance. There's not. Your professional life and your personal life have to kind 338 00:22:14.559 --> 00:22:18.400 of mix. Gosh, my son Johnny is every time he's not in school 339 00:22:18.440 --> 00:22:22.440 or he's not doing something, he's in the practice facility or he's at practice 340 00:22:22.440 --> 00:22:26.799 and he's rebounding for guys and he's sitting in film sessions and tell me what 341 00:22:26.839 --> 00:22:30.400 I'm doing wrong? On the ride home. So it's pretty cool. You 342 00:22:30.400 --> 00:22:33.720 know, I'm moving two teenage girls from Charleston here, so it'll be in 343 00:22:33.759 --> 00:22:37.519 a little bit of an adjustment. Is they have kind of their friend groups 344 00:22:37.519 --> 00:22:41.440 all set there, so you know, I pray every day that their transition 345 00:22:41.480 --> 00:22:45.440 will be smooth and I know they're going to adjust and love this place. 346 00:22:45.480 --> 00:22:51.200 This is a special community. One thing that I've really found out is just 347 00:22:51.319 --> 00:22:56.920 how passionate people are about the city of Louisville, how much pride they have 348 00:22:56.039 --> 00:23:00.599 in this place. Obviously for the Louisville Cardinals and the twenty two thousand at 349 00:23:00.599 --> 00:23:04.279 the Young Center, but this community is very, very tight knit, and 350 00:23:04.319 --> 00:23:07.000 there's great pride in this place. Man. I don't know if you've ever 351 00:23:07.039 --> 00:23:11.960 been to the Kentucky Derby, but that is Louisville's event. Yeah, I 352 00:23:11.000 --> 00:23:15.279 don't. I have not stained yet. One of the coolest things I've ever 353 00:23:15.319 --> 00:23:19.839 been to. So unbelievable city, and they've been They've been crazy welcoming to 354 00:23:19.920 --> 00:23:23.319 me and to my family, and this is home now and we're proud and 355 00:23:23.319 --> 00:23:27.039 we're blessed to be here. Last two things for you. First, again, 356 00:23:27.079 --> 00:23:30.400 you're coming in at a pretty unique time. Because Mark Pope's coming into 357 00:23:30.480 --> 00:23:34.559 Kentucky. The two programs have always been linked to some degree obviously in the 358 00:23:34.559 --> 00:23:40.039 Great Commonwealth there. You know, what are you looking forward to in this 359 00:23:40.160 --> 00:23:45.960 rivalry where you're both sort of fresh into this. Well, rivalries are what 360 00:23:47.039 --> 00:23:49.480 makes college basketball great, man, It's what makes sports great. I mean, 361 00:23:49.640 --> 00:23:52.359 on a on a different scale. I grew up in Cincinnati, and 362 00:23:52.359 --> 00:23:56.839 there's an unbelievably bitter rivalry. I don't know if you want to say better, 363 00:23:56.880 --> 00:24:00.319 because it's it's homes divided, kind of like it is with South Carolina 364 00:24:00.319 --> 00:24:04.599 and Clemson in the state of South Carolina. But Ohio State Michigan. I'm 365 00:24:04.599 --> 00:24:08.839 from Ohio, Louisville, Louisville and Kentucky. Man, it's it's it's one 366 00:24:08.880 --> 00:24:15.839 of the greatest rivalries in our sport. This is a this is a basketball 367 00:24:15.000 --> 00:24:22.319 mad state, basketball crazy state. Uh. I've learned more about bourbon uh 368 00:24:22.400 --> 00:24:27.039 since I've been here, more about horse racing, and more about the Kentucky 369 00:24:27.119 --> 00:24:33.720 Louisville rivalry uh than than anything since I've been here. I know you know 370 00:24:33.839 --> 00:24:37.559 that the I know how how bitter it is, and I know how important 371 00:24:37.599 --> 00:24:40.480 it is here. And I'm so excited to be a part of it. 372 00:24:41.119 --> 00:24:45.960 Uh. I want to not like Mark, but it's hard not to because 373 00:24:45.960 --> 00:24:48.039 he's a really good dude, you know what I mean. Like, he 374 00:24:48.119 --> 00:24:51.640 came up to me, introduced himself, We start talking, and I walked 375 00:24:51.640 --> 00:24:53.640 away. I was like, Louisville fans might not want me to say this, 376 00:24:53.720 --> 00:24:56.000 so I apologize. I'm like, that's a really good dude. But 377 00:24:57.279 --> 00:25:00.920 you know, listen, Skip Prosser and and Bob Huggins had a very very 378 00:25:02.079 --> 00:25:07.400 close relationship in one of the nastiest rivalries in the country was Avier and Cincinnati. 379 00:25:07.480 --> 00:25:12.440 So I think there's a possibility to have honor among thieves. Maybe off 380 00:25:12.440 --> 00:25:15.039 the floor we can. We can like each other and then try to tear 381 00:25:15.079 --> 00:25:18.400 each other's face off when we when we go, when we square up head 382 00:25:18.440 --> 00:25:22.279 to head. Last thing, Pat, we're in summer here. As we're 383 00:25:22.319 --> 00:25:30.559 talking, it just feels different because of the portal and il everything. Another 384 00:25:30.759 --> 00:25:33.559 last year of the COVID year. Where do you think we are with summer 385 00:25:33.599 --> 00:25:41.440 basketball in twenty four, twenty five and beyond well, I mean, you 386 00:25:41.559 --> 00:25:45.880 mentioned how different our business is. I mean, the biggest seismic shifts in 387 00:25:45.920 --> 00:25:48.720 the history of college basketball has happened here over the last couple of years, 388 00:25:48.759 --> 00:25:52.759 and I think the key to all of that is be nimble and be willing 389 00:25:52.799 --> 00:25:59.039 to adjust and run toward change and not away from it, because in every 390 00:25:59.039 --> 00:26:02.839 industry, major shifts happen. And I guess one thing Pat I was thinking 391 00:26:02.920 --> 00:26:04.960 is that you want to be It feels like you want to be with your 392 00:26:04.960 --> 00:26:08.680 team more in July than on the road, which used to be the It 393 00:26:08.799 --> 00:26:11.640 used to be the reverse. You know, everyone was on the road the 394 00:26:11.680 --> 00:26:14.880 home month, but now you gotta let you put your team together in July. 395 00:26:15.480 --> 00:26:18.319 Yea, That to me seems like the biggest difference. What about you? 396 00:26:18.799 --> 00:26:22.839 Yeah, I think what I think I'm used to now, and I 397 00:26:22.839 --> 00:26:30.400 would think most coaches are used to, is the craziness and the ferocity of 398 00:26:30.160 --> 00:26:40.240 our responsibilities and our schedule and what we do doesn't stop. It doesn't and 399 00:26:40.279 --> 00:26:42.200 you need to accept that and be okay with it. And it needs to 400 00:26:42.200 --> 00:26:48.000 be the new norm until changes happen in the calendar or things like that with 401 00:26:48.039 --> 00:26:51.960 the portal, and maybe it never can. That's just the new normal. 402 00:26:52.039 --> 00:26:55.240 Put a smile on your face and deal with it and adjust and adapt and 403 00:26:55.240 --> 00:26:59.519 and and just understand that's you know, what do they say and the Godfather, 404 00:26:59.759 --> 00:27:03.039 this is the life we have chosen. It's kind of just how it 405 00:27:03.119 --> 00:27:06.519 is. But yeah, I mean, when you're on the road, that's 406 00:27:06.640 --> 00:27:10.640 really really important. But gosh darn, you're thinking about getting back and being 407 00:27:10.640 --> 00:27:14.720 with your guys and coaching them up. And then you know the season, 408 00:27:14.880 --> 00:27:18.839 right, the season is hectic and it's pressure packed, and it's NonStop, 409 00:27:18.920 --> 00:27:23.079 and there's games, and there's travel, and there's academics. But buzzer sounds 410 00:27:23.160 --> 00:27:27.000 portal whoom, it goes into overdrive. There is no such thing as like, 411 00:27:27.000 --> 00:27:30.799 ah, the season ended. Let's take a you know, back in 412 00:27:30.799 --> 00:27:36.400 the day, July was like on fire. July was NonStop on the road. 413 00:27:36.440 --> 00:27:38.799 But you know, you had May where really nothing was going on. 414 00:27:40.640 --> 00:27:44.519 Every coach got married in May or in August because May and August were just 415 00:27:44.759 --> 00:27:48.960 normal months where we could be normal people. That's not happening anymore. So 416 00:27:49.680 --> 00:27:53.279 welcome to the new age of collegiate athletics. I love it. Get into 417 00:27:53.319 --> 00:27:57.200 that weight room and now fire off. Those guys appreciate it. So a 418 00:27:57.240 --> 00:28:00.720 lots unpacked there. I do think it'll eventually wear off. I don't know 419 00:28:00.720 --> 00:28:04.680 if there's gonna be any real personal animosity between Mark Pope and Pat Kelsey. 420 00:28:04.720 --> 00:28:07.359 But I think the same thing. I've never met Mark Pope, but I 421 00:28:07.359 --> 00:28:11.279 do think he seems like a very genuinely likable guy. You know, I'm 422 00:28:11.279 --> 00:28:15.839 gonna want Kentucky to lose every game that he coaches, but Cal was a 423 00:28:15.839 --> 00:28:18.200 great villain, I mean, a great villain, and Mark Pope I don't 424 00:28:18.200 --> 00:28:21.599 think will be now. If he's great and he's mauby about it, then 425 00:28:21.599 --> 00:28:25.720 maybe some things will come natural. But you know, I think I think 426 00:28:26.599 --> 00:28:30.079 Kentucky's had coaches that you know, I gotta be honest, I didn't I 427 00:28:30.079 --> 00:28:33.200 didn't dislike them. I didn't want him to win. I wanted him to 428 00:28:33.200 --> 00:28:36.880 lose. But you know, like Tubby Smith, like he seemed like a 429 00:28:36.880 --> 00:28:41.279 really genuinely awesome guy. And I did later meet him after he no longer 430 00:28:41.359 --> 00:28:44.200 was coaching at Kentucky, and he was I mean, in fact, I 431 00:28:44.200 --> 00:28:47.160 met him whenever I was at a camp, whenever I was when I was 432 00:28:47.160 --> 00:28:48.960 in high school, and he, you know, like Tubby's one of those 433 00:28:48.960 --> 00:28:52.480 guys that I've never really heard anybody say anything about his character that is anything 434 00:28:52.480 --> 00:28:56.240 other than how great of a guy. He is. In fact, you 435 00:28:56.240 --> 00:28:59.279 know, he he would talk to my high school coach at our at a 436 00:28:59.319 --> 00:29:02.000 team camp when to or coaching Clint, I think it was, and you 437 00:29:02.039 --> 00:29:03.920 know, he would he would sit and let and let coaches like my high 438 00:29:03.920 --> 00:29:07.920 school coach at the time was like thirty years old, who let him like 439 00:29:07.000 --> 00:29:10.880 talk. He would ask him questions about his team, meaning like our team, 440 00:29:10.920 --> 00:29:12.000 the high school team, and like, I don't know if it was 441 00:29:12.000 --> 00:29:15.759 genuine, but it seemed like he was genuinely interested and wanted to talk ball 442 00:29:15.799 --> 00:29:18.559 with him and just was a very you know, down to earth, relatable 443 00:29:18.559 --> 00:29:19.880 guy. And you know, to this day, I think he was in 444 00:29:19.920 --> 00:29:23.440 town not that long ago, running around town with Scotti d and you know 445 00:29:23.559 --> 00:29:27.720 Tubby's Tubby's a very well liked guy. But when he coached at Kentucky, 446 00:29:27.720 --> 00:29:30.680 I wanted to lose every game, just like oh, will Mark Pope. 447 00:29:30.720 --> 00:29:33.000 I think Mark Stoops. Like I'm not saying I like Mark, like Mark 448 00:29:33.000 --> 00:29:37.759 Stoops a little bit different, but I don't really think Mark Stoops is like, 449 00:29:37.960 --> 00:29:40.839 you know, as far as the rivalry, like his his teams do 450 00:29:41.039 --> 00:29:42.720 l's down and like that's corny, but that doesn't bother me. Like I 451 00:29:42.720 --> 00:29:47.240 don't think he cal was a next level villain and it was great. And 452 00:29:47.240 --> 00:29:49.039 to be honest with you, Rick was too when he was at Kentucky when 453 00:29:49.079 --> 00:29:52.200 I was young. I mean his was a little like his was a little 454 00:29:52.240 --> 00:29:56.160 more arrogant to in a different way, Like he wouldn't go out of his 455 00:29:56.160 --> 00:29:57.359 way and take cheap shots at Louisville. He would just, you know, 456 00:29:57.440 --> 00:30:00.799 act as if like he you know, it's not really a rivalry because he 457 00:30:00.920 --> 00:30:04.079 just doesn't have rivals because he's Rick Patino and he's the greatest thing that's ever 458 00:30:04.119 --> 00:30:08.039 happened at the sport of basketball. So I think it's good for your rival 459 00:30:08.079 --> 00:30:11.279 to be unlikable, but it doesn't matter. At the end of the day. 460 00:30:11.359 --> 00:30:14.160 You can still you know, the rivalry because the rivalry is all about 461 00:30:14.160 --> 00:30:17.599 fans. Nobody says that enough. It's what it's all about, especially in 462 00:30:17.599 --> 00:30:21.279 basketball in this state. It's bragging rights. This game does very little to 463 00:30:21.440 --> 00:30:25.359 hurt or help your season. At times, it can give you an added 464 00:30:25.400 --> 00:30:27.880 win as far as value on your resume, But it's a random game in 465 00:30:27.960 --> 00:30:33.640 December that is not a conference game. It's even so relatively early in the 466 00:30:33.680 --> 00:30:37.000 season that like once that game's out of the way, you can still kind 467 00:30:37.039 --> 00:30:38.400 of find your way and if you lose, still be good. Like it 468 00:30:38.440 --> 00:30:41.319 really just comes down to bragging rights in this state, especially in this city 469 00:30:41.319 --> 00:30:45.279 where so many of both sides coexist. So you know, it's about us, 470 00:30:45.319 --> 00:30:48.359 not about them. Because here's the thing, no matter what happens with 471 00:30:48.400 --> 00:30:52.640 Mark Pope and Pat Kelsey, we're going to be around here longer than they 472 00:30:52.680 --> 00:30:55.720 are involved in this, right, Like I hope Pat Kelsey retires here after 473 00:30:55.720 --> 00:31:00.279 winning national championship after national championship, and you know he'll be clearly they'll a 474 00:31:00.279 --> 00:31:02.839 Louisville guy, but like you know, it'll be different for him, he's 475 00:31:02.839 --> 00:31:04.799 a former coach. All right, quick break, we'll come back on the 476 00:31:04.839 --> 00:31:08.759 other side, finish strong here. We're not going to talk politics, but 477 00:31:08.759 --> 00:31:14.720 we're gonna let the politicians, if we can call them that talk Because Donald 478 00:31:14.759 --> 00:31:21.559 Trump challenging Joe Biden to to an eighteen whole round of golf. I mean, 479 00:31:21.599 --> 00:31:22.920 I just think the fact that that happened is not a surprise when you 480 00:31:22.960 --> 00:31:26.839 consider where we are. But like, why is everybody else afraid to say, 481 00:31:26.880 --> 00:31:30.920 like this needs to happen. It would be highly highly entertaining and he 482 00:31:30.920 --> 00:31:34.079 could not be political. These guys are characters, Like this is almost like 483 00:31:34.119 --> 00:31:37.440 out of a movie script, right, these two guys being the ones who 484 00:31:37.440 --> 00:31:41.480 were gonna, you know, ty Gilmore three. Yeah, like fight for 485 00:31:41.559 --> 00:31:45.559 votes to you know, to win the election. It's crazy. And again, 486 00:31:45.599 --> 00:31:48.720 I promise I'll share that Brownie James thing that'll make Lebron look even worse. 487 00:31:48.759 --> 00:31:53.599 So stick with us right here again on Sports Talk seven to ninety. 488 00:31:53.680 --> 00:31:59.039 You know, it's never ending when it comes to people at each other's next 489 00:31:59.079 --> 00:32:02.359 about politics. And I feel for pretty good not to say that. Trust 490 00:32:02.359 --> 00:32:06.640 me, this isn't not something I'm saying to brag, But I feel pretty 491 00:32:06.680 --> 00:32:12.160 content with the way we've discussed the Trump Biden stuff with really not making it 492 00:32:12.200 --> 00:32:15.720 political. So but I also know that there are people that are so into 493 00:32:15.720 --> 00:32:20.720 it that like, it's not even really about each of these candidates anymore. 494 00:32:20.759 --> 00:32:23.359 It's just about the radical left the radical right and how awful they are and 495 00:32:23.400 --> 00:32:27.039 they make stuff up and they're delusional in the ruining of the country, and 496 00:32:27.079 --> 00:32:30.160 it's just you know, you know, it's it's to be expected, I 497 00:32:30.200 --> 00:32:35.720 suppose. But Trump challenging Biden to an eighteen hole golf match and says he 498 00:32:35.799 --> 00:32:38.119 will give Biden twenty strokes and if he loses, he's going to donate a 499 00:32:38.200 --> 00:32:43.480 million dollars to a charity. It's a perfect move because Trump knows it's not 500 00:32:43.480 --> 00:32:45.599 going to happen, and he wouldn't do it. But I'm this needs to 501 00:32:45.640 --> 00:32:49.039 happen, Like the amount of money that could be raised for a good cause, 502 00:32:49.240 --> 00:32:51.079 like if you you know, if you pay people, if you made 503 00:32:51.079 --> 00:32:53.880 people pay to watch it, they would pay. I mean a lot of 504 00:32:53.880 --> 00:32:57.279 people would do it from a political standpoint. Others would do it just for 505 00:32:57.400 --> 00:33:04.000 entertainment, like myself. I'm off so officially challenging crooked Joe Joe an eighteen 506 00:33:04.079 --> 00:33:13.920 hold match right here, right under OUs Blue Monster. Considered one of the 507 00:33:13.920 --> 00:33:17.519 greatest tournament golf courses anywhere in the world, one of the great courses of 508 00:33:17.559 --> 00:33:22.480 the world. It will be among the most watched sporting events in history, 509 00:33:23.440 --> 00:33:30.119 maybe bigger than the Ryder Cup or even the Masters. And I will even 510 00:33:30.160 --> 00:33:35.400 give Joe Biden ten strokes aside. Ten strokes that's a lot. That's means 511 00:33:35.440 --> 00:33:38.519 twenty strokes. In case you don't play golf. I will give him ten 512 00:33:38.680 --> 00:33:44.400 strokes aside, and if he wins I will give the charity of his choice, 513 00:33:44.519 --> 00:33:52.480 any charity that he wants, one million dollars, and I'll bet you 514 00:33:52.519 --> 00:33:55.799 he doesn't take the offer. Of course he's not, and he knew that 515 00:33:55.839 --> 00:34:00.079 before he threw the invite out there. This will just turn into the wwe 516 00:34:00.319 --> 00:34:04.240 Oh it is it is. I mean like at times you just think to 517 00:34:04.279 --> 00:34:07.519 yourself, like is this real? And it is and it's it's crazy, 518 00:34:07.559 --> 00:34:13.679 but I choose to find ways to have fun with it and see the entertainment 519 00:34:13.679 --> 00:34:15.599 that is there. I mean, it's it is kind of sad that we're 520 00:34:15.599 --> 00:34:17.320 here, but you know, I often wonder why we are. People who 521 00:34:17.360 --> 00:34:21.880 live in other countries think about all this nonsense over here in the United States, 522 00:34:22.679 --> 00:34:25.519 because surely they hear of this stuff. I would imagine that they probably 523 00:34:25.599 --> 00:34:29.000 make fun of both guys. Oh yeah, you know what I mean. 524 00:34:29.039 --> 00:34:30.960 Like, I would imagine they probably make fun of both candidates and just make 525 00:34:31.000 --> 00:34:34.840 fun of the country that we're in this position. That's probably what happens here, 526 00:34:35.280 --> 00:34:37.480 all right. So you guys may not remember the name Stephen Hunter. 527 00:34:37.559 --> 00:34:40.159 I do because I you know, I'm a basketball nerd. But he played 528 00:34:40.159 --> 00:34:45.079 the NBA for about nine years, retired in twenty ten, played it to 529 00:34:45.159 --> 00:34:47.559 Paul, but he was just a journeyman. I don't really know where his 530 00:34:47.639 --> 00:34:51.239 best season came, but he lasted in the league for quite some time, 531 00:34:51.239 --> 00:34:53.760 played for a handful of teams. He posted something on Instagram that had started 532 00:34:53.760 --> 00:34:58.800 to get a lot of traction, and it is posting, you know, 533 00:34:58.840 --> 00:35:02.039 his outrage that you know, Lebron is abusing his power in the NBA, 534 00:35:02.119 --> 00:35:07.199 which we all know that's happening, but he chose to highlight the fact that 535 00:35:07.760 --> 00:35:13.280 Michael Jordan could have done the same thing if he wanted to with his son, 536 00:35:13.760 --> 00:35:16.880 but he didn't because I think him Jay is you know, he's built 537 00:35:16.920 --> 00:35:21.159 different, Like he would never want his kid to be in the NBA if 538 00:35:21.159 --> 00:35:23.400 he didn't earn it, because that's just not how Michael's wired. I also 539 00:35:23.440 --> 00:35:28.000 can't fault Lebron for wanting to help his son, but there is some level 540 00:35:28.039 --> 00:35:30.119 of to where like, again, he just got his guy drafted, his 541 00:35:30.199 --> 00:35:32.599 son drafted, and they're gonna play together like that is at the end of 542 00:35:32.599 --> 00:35:36.199 the day, regardless of how it came about. That's a cool moment. 543 00:35:37.239 --> 00:35:40.079 But also I think he's he's not He's not helped Bronni in variety. I 544 00:35:40.119 --> 00:35:44.480 mean he has with just again, I mean Bronnie was helped when he was 545 00:35:44.480 --> 00:35:47.960 born by being the son of Lebron James. Right, But all this attention 546 00:35:49.039 --> 00:35:52.480 that's there is is because of Lebron. But here's here's what it's. What 547 00:35:52.480 --> 00:35:54.119 it says if for those that don't know, late second round picks don't get 548 00:35:54.119 --> 00:35:58.559 guarantees, especially before Summer League. Typically late second round picks don't get four 549 00:35:58.599 --> 00:36:02.119 years. Yeah, don't get four year guaranteed roster spot deals either. This 550 00:36:02.280 --> 00:36:06.559 wasn't earned. I'm sorry, and it's egregious. It's an egregious abuse of 551 00:36:06.639 --> 00:36:08.599 power from Lebron James and Rich Paul. It's a slap in the face to 552 00:36:08.639 --> 00:36:12.480 all the kids out there who work their asses off to get to the league. 553 00:36:12.599 --> 00:36:15.559 It's sneaky Hollywood bleep like this that turns a lot of people off about 554 00:36:15.599 --> 00:36:20.079 Lebron. That's just another example of what they talk what they talk about when 555 00:36:20.119 --> 00:36:22.719 you try, when you try to like him, I'm not sure what that 556 00:36:22.760 --> 00:36:27.239 means. This is why most people prefer MJ or Kobe over him, because 557 00:36:27.280 --> 00:36:30.679 you know, at least MJ or Kobe gonna be straight shooters. Trust me, 558 00:36:30.800 --> 00:36:34.239 MJ could have gotten one of his sons in the league if he chose 559 00:36:34.280 --> 00:36:36.840 to, if he chose to abuse his power like that, But he didn't 560 00:36:36.880 --> 00:36:40.039 because mj stands on and earned, not given, and he wouldn't. He 561 00:36:40.039 --> 00:36:44.320 would never give his son a sense of entitlement, which is what lebron James 562 00:36:44.400 --> 00:36:46.519 has done with Bronnie. Not taking anything away from Bronnie or nor am I 563 00:36:46.559 --> 00:36:51.119 upset at Bronnie, Just know that this is a manipulation of our league in 564 00:36:51.159 --> 00:36:54.039 the integrity of what it truly takes to get there. Couldn't have said it 565 00:36:54.079 --> 00:36:58.199 better. And to be fair, Bronnie's a better prospect, better player than 566 00:36:58.239 --> 00:37:00.199 Michael's kids were. But Michael Jordan would have got his kid drafted if he 567 00:37:00.199 --> 00:37:05.920 wanted to. If Michael Jordan, you know, even at the age those 568 00:37:05.960 --> 00:37:08.079 guys would have been entering pro sports. I mean, if they came straight 569 00:37:08.079 --> 00:37:10.760 out of high school. I think that still would have been when Michael Jordan 570 00:37:10.840 --> 00:37:15.159 was done playing basketball. But Michael Jordan is different than nearly any athlete on 571 00:37:15.159 --> 00:37:19.440 the planet, and he could be He could come out right now and say 572 00:37:19.480 --> 00:37:22.199 he wants to make a return, and because of everything that would come with 573 00:37:22.239 --> 00:37:23.760 it, somebody would sign him. I mean, it would be kind of 574 00:37:23.760 --> 00:37:25.760 a circus because he is getting up there in age and I don't think he 575 00:37:25.760 --> 00:37:28.800 could play at a high level right now at all. But still, like 576 00:37:28.800 --> 00:37:32.119 it's Michael Jordan and it just wasn't thought of and we all knew it was 577 00:37:32.199 --> 00:37:37.360 crazy. And I think what Lebron did that's even deeper is Lebron like clearly 578 00:37:39.559 --> 00:37:45.360 worked some people, maybe not him directly, but probably Rich Paul and you 579 00:37:45.400 --> 00:37:50.320 know, the handlers, those associated with Lebron James and his camp as they 580 00:37:50.320 --> 00:37:53.679 call it, like there's no way. Jonathan Gavoni, NBA draft analyst, 581 00:37:54.719 --> 00:37:59.920 truly believe last year in his mock draft that the Bronni James had the ability 582 00:37:59.920 --> 00:38:00.719 to be a lottery pick, and he put him in there, and that 583 00:38:00.760 --> 00:38:04.639 really started to wear, Okay, at least now the comment like this is 584 00:38:04.639 --> 00:38:08.360 an NBA draft, this is ESPN's official NBA analyst. He's saying, Bronnie 585 00:38:08.440 --> 00:38:14.679 James has lottery pick talent. And then the rankings. I mean, I 586 00:38:14.719 --> 00:38:16.639 give some of the guys who cover high school recruits credit, like they some 587 00:38:16.679 --> 00:38:21.719 guys never had Bronnie as a top one hundred player. Some of them had 588 00:38:21.760 --> 00:38:24.159 him, like you know, about eighty between eighty and one to twenty, 589 00:38:24.159 --> 00:38:27.400 which is probably realistic. But you know what, Bronnie James still made the 590 00:38:27.480 --> 00:38:30.079 McDonald's American Game because Lebron was going to do anything he could to pull strings 591 00:38:30.119 --> 00:38:34.559 for his son, and that that's actually put him in a bad spot. 592 00:38:35.119 --> 00:38:39.000 And really the Lakers just allowing it to happen is really the most shameful thing 593 00:38:40.480 --> 00:38:44.400 because you could have just said, look, that's a conflict of interest. 594 00:38:44.440 --> 00:38:47.360 We cannot have we can't do that. But you know what, Lebron gets 595 00:38:47.400 --> 00:38:51.000 what he wants. And it's different if some rando says that that's a guy 596 00:38:51.000 --> 00:38:52.960 who played in the NBA for nearly ten years, who has a pension from 597 00:38:52.960 --> 00:38:55.760 the league, that he's, you know, somebody who you know, put 598 00:38:55.800 --> 00:38:59.039 a lot into the league. He's not a star, but clearly he and 599 00:38:59.079 --> 00:39:00.400 he's been a part of it. All Right, we're out of time, 600 00:39:00.800 --> 00:39:04.920 you guys, enjoy your evening. We'll be back at it tomorrow right here 601 00:39:05.000 --> 00:39:07.039 on Sports Talk seven ninety