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Good morning, friends and friends,
I am Julio Pérez and this is the

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train of life, a radio adventure
along the routes of the heart. I

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want to invite you to travel with
me and dream together in a better world,

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a different world where men and women
of good will can live in peace

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and freedom. The train of life
is a magaxin of good news and hope.

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This is a radio time specially designed
for people like you and as many

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seekers of truth, of the only
truth that can make us. A ute

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ven Te. I invite you to
travel with us on the safest train of

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all that will definitely take you to
safe harbour. This is the train of

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life. Good morning, Spain,
bon day. From this corner of the

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Iberian solar, this mosaic of cultures
is called Spain. Good people from the

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north, the south, the east
and the west. This miscellanea of wonderful

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singularities, but we have to unify
criteria and hearts and not go each for

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its part, because this is our
common destiny. I invite you to travel

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with me on the train of life. This is Julio Perez. Come on,

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ladies, yes, gentlemen, ladies
and gentlemen, we' re going

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to travel together this morning in good
company, well congratulations. Spring, welcome,

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Spring now, practically today we are
in spring already this weekend more spring

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cannot be. We have had a
spring winter very little water, few snows,

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some snowfall from the heavens to the
earth, to this Iberian solar,

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but little in reality. In fact, we are still deficient in water in

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the reservoirs. But in the meantime, because we survive here, we'

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re, we' re not going
to see everything is up to date,

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we' re up to date.
This sense of anticipation, of foresight is

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almost extinguishing them no, no,
you don' t think of even too

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much of the next generation. The
issue of pensions to baby boomers, which

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already, well, evident, already
be here, but pre practically and those

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that come behind, because the bank
has disappeared. We shall see, of

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course, how it is, but
surely it is not very good news.

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The subject of future pensions. God, I don' t want to be

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wrong, but he wants to tell
you that the sense of anticipation of planning

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forecasting is becoming less and less.
It is improvising, look at politics,

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Spanish politics, good and right now
and in a total disaster. Sometimes it

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' s not a government or another, it' s that almost everyone has

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a lot of twigs of this kind, but, for example, in this

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last batch, well, that'
s improvised, you change your mind the

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next day and very important things and
you change your plan. There' s

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not enough plan, the hydrological plan, the water issue, the disalking issue.

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As far as water is concerned,
this week was International Water Day before

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yesterday and weather. I also mean
water, water, vital water. But

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just like that, other issues of
security, pensions, domestic policy, international

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relations. I don' t know
this is gonna be it. And then,

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when someone does something like that on
the go, which is dreamy and

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so and it' s good,
you' re improvising hear improvise yourself more

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than I do a thousand times you
mean and improvisations, in many cases they

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' re very unfortunate. Not in
others, because there are those who have

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art and part in the subject and
what it says is true and besides,

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it has resources of ingenuity, it
has a store of ideas, it has

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foresight, it makes a sense.
Anyway, I' m not going to

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give you a speech about improvisation that
you already understand what I' m talking

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about, but today we have good
company. We have Daniel Ozkan today.

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Daniel Oscan is Spanish of Argentine origin, but more Spanish than anyone in Galicia,

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in the Galicias, lives there.
He' s the director of digital

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Protestant. She' s a pro- real journalist and I thank God for

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looking. There is a generation of
journalists in the Christian world, Lucho Pan

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Duro, Fernando Díaz, also Daniel
Diez, of course, Juan Carlos Parra

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and so many others that I could
still mention. A servant also and who

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are people who do the job,
know what they are talking about, have

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training and are up to date and
work for the Kingdom of God, but

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also are not alien to human realities. So those I' ve mentioned to

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you all have academic, professional,
university, etcetera training. It means it

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' s not a generation of outcasts
coming here, because some criticized that once.

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No. These are purely amateurs,
no. No. No, no,

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we' re amateurs. What happens
is that we have dedicated our investment

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in that time, this redemptive project, which is the salvation of the human

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being for all eternity or superdition in
the worst of cases, and Christ came

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to seek and save what had been
lost among them and I am recovered by

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him. Therefore, we will be
talking about the other look of the day

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with Daniel Azcán, director of Digital
Protestant. This morning here on the train

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of life, about news and then
look we have two promo theologians talking to

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us about Clie' s new publication
on the patristic Bible study. The patristics

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are the parents of the church who
followed the apostles. The disciples of the

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apostles and the disciples of the disciples
and the men who followed the Bible Christian

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tradition. There are those who look
at the church, for example, Catholic,

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as such dogmatic and with all the
paraphernalia, dogma, mysteries, the

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imagery of worship. For to Mary
and all that, that appeared in the

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fifth century and curiously it was at
a council in Ephesus also what it was

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would be the ceo tocos. No, or some say the theus knocks on

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the Mother of God. Well,
God doesn' t have a mother,

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but they were talking about Jesus,
the Mother of Jesus, but the term

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was the Mother of God as a
corredemptor. That came much later, much

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later the subject of the corredentora,
the immaculate, which is not biblical either,

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and or the corredentora. And such
a good thing, not all of

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that. Mary was an extraordinary woman
whom we Christians cherish and love, but

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not from there to the other.
But I mean that the history of the

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Church, apart from that the tenth
century of the Roman Catholic Apostolic Church,

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is not the Church of the beginning, It is a church that came out

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in the fifth century where already sixth
left already with boat. And because of

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the crisis also of the Roman Empire, also the bishops of the cities had

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to take control of the decomposition of
the empire and there were many historical changes

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and those began to become saclarified,
self- exalted to the bishops of the

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cities, who were the pastors of
the city, and there were good shepherds

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and other bishops and bad ones who
were the citil of Rome, who called

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him the Pope. Hence the idea
of the Pope, as Primate of Rome

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and as the center of the Empire
and all this history, is born.

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Well, I could tell them the
story, but that' s not the

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case. But, for example,
alfonro ropero is a historian of pro doctor

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in history, doctor in theology and
editor. He' s been clie for

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many years and he' s an
expert in patristics. We have spoken to

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him, but I have also been
to Jesus Zamora, a man who has

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much to say about this, younger, but who has worked on the review.

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And there they appear in the comments
and reflections of the parents of the

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Church, of many of them and
the truth that is magnificent what the parents

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say. Some also say some barbarities, but most of the Church' s

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parents, of whom you select here, are very wise people and you will

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see that there is a contrast between
the theologies of today and those of the

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Church' s history. Well,
don' t miss it. I will

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show you the volume that I have
here of patrística, the Bible, of

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study, of patriotic of the centuries
one to the sixth of editorial Clie,

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a monumental work. I am passionate
because I have better understood the history of

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the Church by reading to parents and
reading the history of the Church in different

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authors and so I have reached my
conclusions, because do not miss it.

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This morning here, on the train
of life, the otor rock, will

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tell us about problems of the digestive
system, because sometimes good if they are

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the kidneys, good kidneys so collateral, uh, but of the digestive system,

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the intestinal tract, the stomach itself
to the lower belly. Well,

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there is the spleen, the pancreas
that is in this area also very delicate,

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highly delicate also when there are inflammations, disturbances, some pathology of or,

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some question your moral. We need
to know a little bit and have

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a sense of anticipation, because let' s talk about all these things also

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with Dr Rocca, our family doctor. Here on the train of life.

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Here we go. You can send
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Stop the train of life. Point is

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remember that in this way you collaborate with

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Once crowned with thorns, he was
found. The king was ground and

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crushed to blood to shed the darkness
covered that mountain and his body was wrapped

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up in the messis. Buried,
it was the sin of this world on

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his shoulders, he carried, the
lamb was slain to give us redemption.

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Everything there was consummated and he veiled
is traited on the cross. My victory

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won out of love our eternal retreat. There is no longer for our tern

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god the prince always of payment,
there is no condemnation before me, will

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surrender to you the eternal re Then, within hell there is heard a great

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tremor, a sigh from heaven to
the death of broken seeing sin we are

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free. We celebrate that he triumphed
in hell, the Tuzuzuzco terro, a

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detroterne son, was Avengerous aloyama from
before, without all that is left are

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very much his tomb manfer, with
his spirit full and his breath work,

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life to the lamb that died as
a lone. He has risen to the

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tun to mention all I saw Jesus
Christ does by vi your tempo quotes his

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throne terro command and to the two
places still or syncline, two hombres man,

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not well, no, if you
want to visit our website, the

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www. The train of life,
the train of life, of life is

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always marte, because it is like
life itself. It' s unstoppable.

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It is this living parable of ourselves. We don' t travel on a

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train without realizing too much. Look
I was traveling by train yesterday, I

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went to Madrid and I came back
in that fast bird not and the truth,

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because it is not so good and
so fast that it shortens times and

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we can also take advantage of the
journeys for many things. Landscape, I

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got up. I went for coffee
and the newspaper, the paper paper.

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I read the virtual newspapers every day, but I like the paper newspaper and

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other things. And so I expect
on this train there are always travelers,

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as special and among them and there
is the director of digital Protestant, Daniel

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Odcar, the other look of the
day. Let' s see him.

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I welcome my good friend Daniel.
Good morning, Daniel how about Good morning,

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July, how are you doing,
man, Yes, you' d

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like to travel by plane by car
more, what' s your favorite ride.

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I like the train. I also
like the train that is more comfortable,

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that you don' t have to
be worried about driving and that you

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can also take a nap if you
want. Or you can also have coffee

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in the cafeteria car. It is
quite true that when I can, if

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I can choose a chosen transport is
and what happens is that here, from

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Galicia, we don' t have
that much choice either. Then we need

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to improve those communications a little bit
thanks to this area. But if whenever

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I can try, yes, yes, yes, the truth hears I remember,

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well. When I was a kid
I would travel a little bit in

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trincoo from time to time we would
go to the region of Murcia, where

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my whole family is. They are
alcantarilleros of Murcia, capital of Mulcia,

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of a town and then I remember
that, since the three are ancient of

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the time of the sixty- seventies, well sixty and so, some will

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say that older this man then,
but the matter is in that I remember

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that I made a trip with one
of my older brothers who has already passed

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away, and we were on a
train, the Sevillano Andalusia. We'

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re going to a family wedding.
I don' t know what. I

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don' t remember well, I
was all very small and it was a

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typical train like the West, with
smelly wooden seats, but these super uncomfortable.

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People mostly stood in the hallways,
because there was more than full.

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So, those historic trains. No
and now clear this, this is glory

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comparatively. True, since again,
I believe that the biggest, perhaps train

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journey when I was a teenager,
a trip to Barcelona. In fact,

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on the train trip from Pontevedra to
Barcelona and they were not sure if it

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was thirteen hours of train or something, so it was quite an adventure.

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In addition, I went with friends
and with good, with the expectation of

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a few vacation days, so it
was an unforgettable experience and the truth that

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well, at that time it was
even these trains that had also in bed

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and could be looking on the train. Yes, but I think this is

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almost no longer in Spain, there
are almost no night trips of this type,

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so I don' t know if
there are any. I think it

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does none anymore and I don'
t know if elsewhere in the country it

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won' t continue to see.
But, of course, it also looked

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like an experience that I always remember
with great affection. Of course I do,

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well, there' s the three
myths. The origin ex Press good,

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not as mythical, but more tortuous
as the Transberian and the history trains

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have. We could dedicate you to
a program in the pure truth. Yes,

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by the way, Daniel, for
our teeth that see you you are

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the director of Digital Protestant for years
now as a journalist, also that you

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are professionally and that we know your
origin. You say, we are of

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Argentine origin, but you have from
Argentine what I have from Ecuadorian. I

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mean, as far as it'
s concerned, but you' re from

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Argentina from your family. Yes,
yes, yes, well, we were

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born in Argentina and came to Spain
when I was ten years old with my

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parents, with your family, in
the year ninety- four. So I

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did grow up in Argentina in Mendoza
and well, I have, it'

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s true that I' ve already
lost people, but I still have a

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lot of family there And when it' s the World Cup, I also

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go with Argentina. So I do
still have very deep ties with Argentina.

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It' s true that good.
In the case of my Argentine comic book,

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our surnames are European, really yes, and in my case, because

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you change a Dutch surname and the
other surnames I have are Italian. I

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mean, let' s say that
the European heritage is there, so we

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' re not so high in this
area. It' s not clear either.

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Sure, sure, no, because
your accent is totally Spanish, but

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pure, I don' t know
any sign of, but good is just

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to get to know a little.
I' m an indomitable chaperone in that

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sense. No, well, hey, look at the news, they'

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re so much. Once in two
thousand and fifty, in the year we

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will see if we expect us to
reach two thousand and fifty, that is,

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Don rush Putín, do not put
us in a nuclear winter, even

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though he himself shot himself in the
head. But in two thousand fifty,

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three out of four countries not large
maintain the size of their population. In

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two thousand hundred good, that'
s already a lot to say, more

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than half of the babies on the
planet will be born in sub- Saharan

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Africa and actually here are two thousand
fifty more than three quarters of the countries

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will not be born enough children to
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And in two thousand hundred only six
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territories of the world, l Somalia, tong, Ganiger, Chat, etc.

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Six will have fertility rates higher than
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which is the guarantee of demographic replacement. As a result, at the beginning

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of the next century, more than
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be born in sub- Saharan Africa, because we are in the two thousand

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and fifty, which is just around
the corner that gives twenty- five or

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twenty- six years, we are
more lost than the rice boat. I

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mean the new generation. Yes,
and well it is perceived that there is

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an important change due to the subject
of demography. So far perhaps it has

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not been taken too much notice,
because let us say that the populations have

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been more or less maintained in a
certain stability. In fact, there is

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always talk that we would see population
growth and there is a sustained growth,

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but there are regions as it is
going to be now in the case of

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Europe, which is already called an
ageing Europe and which really is where fewer

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children are born and even though immigration
does come in, because it is not

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enough to make sufficient replacement of population. And it seems that we are going

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towards that clear horizon the consequences that
this is going to get are what are

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not yet very clear. Bullshit,
there are some who are very catastrophists and

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really think it' s going to
end up like some kind of total social

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and economic collapse. We could go
to that It' s not since and

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others who think that well, that
real readjustments are going to take place as

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to what our life forms are in
our way of a little staying. Obviously,

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the fact that people live many more
years is also going to have to

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do that at some point, because
we also have to work longer because there

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is not going to be enough.
Let' s say young people working to

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be able to sustain the system of
restraints, at least in the system in

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which we are currently moving. So
it' s all a little incoct.

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What can happen and, of course, what is going to happen is that

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strength of the youth they are doing
in Africa, the continent that is growing

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faster in population and as progress is
also being made in these countries that can

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guarantee a proper life for these people, which is also another problem so far

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in many of the African countries that
have high birth rates, because there are

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really very high rates, also of
corruption, there is a very little development

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also in the gini index, the
education index and the valuing of education and

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also the possibilities for the development of
people. Then, of course, there

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are issues that, as time progresses, should also be resolved. But we

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also see that sometimes reality, because
it is not let us say what we

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would like it to be. For
example, in Africa too, we see

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that it is a continent where,
unfortunately, jihadism is wreaking havoc and doesn

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' t look like it goes any
less. That is, there are countries

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that are really turning their policies towards
greater acceptance of Islam as part of its

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legal structure. And all this,
then, does not benefit development, but

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rather the contrary. So these are
interesting times in that sense to analyze,

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but difficult that I think I can
foresee what can happen from here to even

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ten, fifteen, twenty, forty
years and also adding another one of the

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conditioning ones that appear on the horizon. Besides, the toño has mentioned the

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nuclear issue a little bit. This
could, of course, change many things,

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but also, of course, the
climate horizon that is being talked about

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quite a bit, but that we
really do not know the consequences that it

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may also have when it comes to
population mobility and when it comes to survival

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itself, so to speak, of
our species in this world that at times

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seems to be, as he says, breaking, not groaning, that it

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is moaning and that it is complaining, waiting for a final renewal that will

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come when Christ returns. If we
believe Christians, yes, this is not

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far off. Each time when Jesus
said of the fig tree learn the parable,

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when you see that the leaves are
already tender and indicate the summer is

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near and speaks of the signs and
some have already been fulfilled in the twentieth

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century. They are being fulfilled in
the moral and decadent state of humanity,

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the acceleration of everything. But say
the authors of the study, of this

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demographic study, predict a fierce competition
for migrants to sustain growth in countries,

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especially Western countries. So in the
same way that there is a controversy for

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regularizing this issue. Of course for
that well, here it comes from everything,

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but at the same time the need
is imperative, it overcomes and then

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there will be fierce competition to have
migrants. That' s why this is

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complex. The theme is a board
of club agents imagine. We are not

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at a time when there are so
many European parties that are advocating the closure

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of borders, that they are criminalizing
immigrants and that they are actually painting a

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picture that in part, as always, there is no part of truth,

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but there is a lot of exaggeration
as well, in what sometimes these more

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extreme political parties, because they are
proposing and it is really one of the

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issues that will be marking the European
elections, the issue of immigration and how

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to deal with this issue And above
all, we see that there are right

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- wing or ultra- right parties
that are choosing to say well, we

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are going to close, we have
to close borders, we have to throw

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people out or we have to regulate
it more rigidly. And imagine if in

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ten, fifteen years or twenty that, as you said, because it'

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s not that long either, these
same countries are going to be trying to

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bring people in because of the lack
of manpower. When the refugee crisis in

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Syria began. The war in Syria
brought many refugees to Europe who entered in

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a regularised manner, but in a
regularized way because they were really made easier

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to come as refugees. And I
remember that Germany was one of the countries

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that received the most and basically,
one of the arguments for which they welcomed

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so many was that they already considered
and glimpsed that they would need labor to

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be able to maintain, say,
the industrial machinery of their country and be

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a way in which they could also
solve some of the problems they were already

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beginning to glimpse. So I wouldn' t rule out that many of the

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things that we' re seeing now
and are being said maybe in a few

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years, because they change the turns
and you really start to see it differently,

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surely, very likely, very probably. Or other news that we are.

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I don' t know how humanity
is. I call it injustice,

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justice. Perhaps, Daniel Ves,
the man who unmistakably committed a robbery,

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raped a woman who, well,
that does not make him think it was

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not the first time, but in
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and the others might be the same. The fact is that he will

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be released on bail of one million
euros after fourteen months in prison. How

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is it possible that justice is sold
to the highest bidder is this is wearable,

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but besides, how can we solve
that? It' s not right,

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it' s not right in this
kind of thing, there are things

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of lesser order. Of course,
I think the problem here, which we

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all think is a terrible thing.
Not there seems to be a price that

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can be paid and anyone who can
pay the price can do things that others

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would not be allowed to do.
And we' re just talking about a

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rape case, a sexual assault,
which is something that leaves such a terrible

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mark on people. And we'
re really surprised, most of us,

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we' re surprised that there'
s even this possibility that a person with

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this heritage, because he' s
really able to pay money and reduce his

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grief in this way. It is
clear that good justifications here, because justice

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is really always going to need resources
and then these resources will use for protocols

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or to improve whatever it is,
but it is still an absolute indignity.

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It was heard today, yesterday and
today the lawyer of the person affected by

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the rape, because she was really
putting the cry a little bit into heaven

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and saying how this might happen.
And yet, we see that the laws

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are made in a way that allows
this and I really think it is important

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that we know it and I would
like to see some sort of reaction also

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from our politicians, who are sometimes
involved in other issues and actually this which

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really has nothing to do with,
especially with the legislative apparatus, which has

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to make changes there so that this
cannot be allowed, because let us hope

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that there is some kind of reaction
and that it is done in other ways

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as well, that it is done
well, because sometimes also when it is

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legislated, I hit a bit of
a headline, because sometimes mistakes are made.

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What is clear, then, is
that something is becoming apparent that is

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clearly unfair and I believe that,
as a country, action is needed.

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It' s just that this is
even more indecent than what he has done,

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which is highly indecent, is one
of the most execrable things that you

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can throw in the face of this
golfer without shame, which is not only

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because what happened there, but there
is already a history of this one already

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have to disappear from circulation. I
mean that you won' t be allowed

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to see and sportily nothing at all, except four friends that good Neymar,

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I think it will help you pay
her that amount that he has money,

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but well, he also has many
debts. And the subject is to me.

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I don' t care what he' s got. Stop having the

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matter this is such atrocious public indecency, it' s an ethically good one.

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That is to say if we sell
ourselves and sell our soul, to

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the devil, to the devil for
the sake of the sucker and when we

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say suckers that sounds strong, no, but Mamón is the god of money

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and this, allow me the expression
seems a bit vulgar and this mamon may

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sound strong for the money, for
a million euros that can be blamed to

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this criminal, for this girl what
has happened. This is intolerable. This

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if we allow this good, we
are allowing through traps, many things,

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no, but if we allow.
Well, it doesn' t surprise me

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and I' m not that trend, but I' m not surprised that

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in the end there' s a
dictator who doesn' t know what he

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can ride and who drags as it
happened with Gil. It will make him

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masses, because these kinds of things
generate a clamor and then the balance goes

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away, if I don' t
know if you' ve seen the wave

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movie, which is generating movement and
just as it seems like nothing that gives

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and then becomes an unstoppable and totally
harmful movement, but it is born as

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a movement of protest towards certain injustices. Well, careful, careful, don

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' t stop or don' t
stop at something like that. For this

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reason and for so many judicial and
legislative misdemeanours, especially because it is born

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the legislature, justice applies what the
legislature has done the Penal Code is being

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completely invested or the Criminal Code is
being perverted, yes, it is already.

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Perversion alone' s law is yes
already. It was good that the

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historical memory of this Minister must already
disappear from the annals of Spanish politics,

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because it has been such a brutal
indecency. Of course, of course,

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of course and well we see that
not as there are laws that are clearly

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so wrong. But, on the
other hand, we see when other laws

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have been proposed that have been adopted
in recent years. Well, they'

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ve been told. This law is
wrong, as you have said now the

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example of the law it only yes
yes, or the law trans other laws

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also that also touch just aspects of
the Penal Code, because they do not

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want, do not want to hear
it or do not want to hear the

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critics? Or they don' t
want to listen to experts, sometimes because

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they go against what they' re
proposing. And actually then the consequences are

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paid for. And the consequences that
are paid are tremendously negative, especially for

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the victims, but, of course
for the whole of society, for the

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whole of society, because we are
all affected. And it also generates this

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climate of distrust towards the institutions,
which is really very negative, and then

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it can lead to these kinds of
movements that you now pointed out, this

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type of populism, which also take
advantage of these weaknesses of the system and

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that we really have to know how
to tackle them so that it doesn'

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t just stick to those proposals that
end up wanting to solve things, let

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' s say hammered or very radically, but that end up being negative,

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so history has shown us that way. It is dear, friend, another

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news that attracts attention Well, it
can be theoretical. The Prime Minister of

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Estonia, Cajacayas, says to avoid
World War III, Russia must lose and

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you are right about that. It' s true, it' s not

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World War III. Well, you
don' t know this, only God

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knows and everything could precipitate the final
events and emerge that character. Sinestro that

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will emerge at some point, that
will bring an almost superhuman containment solution,

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but to end the rasputines of turn
as where Putin. But it is true

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that this character must be defeated.
And there' s a curiosity. It

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is Russia that is China that is
calling it the axis of evil from the

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West, North Korea, such extremist
countries, China, Russia and some other.

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But it really is that we must
contain this. China is saying don

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' t you dare push the nuclear
button because you' re ruining my business,

413
00:42:38.599 --> 00:42:40.599
my economic imperialism, you' re
ruining it. And I don'

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t want a planet in a nuclear
winter, because we lose everything and we

415
00:42:45.800 --> 00:42:50.440
still lose ourselves, we too would
be affected. And it is China that

416
00:42:50.440 --> 00:42:52.280
contains Russia. It' s China, uh, it' s not another

417
00:42:52.280 --> 00:42:57.239
one. But the bully is like
a character who' s not right where

418
00:42:57.480 --> 00:43:00.920
he has to be from, it' s true. And the Minister is

419
00:43:00.960 --> 00:43:07.719
right when she says that Russia has
to lose in Ukraine, of course we

420
00:43:07.760 --> 00:43:10.800
must always understand the statements in their
context. In the case of the President

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of Estonia, it must be remembered
that as part of the Baltic States,

422
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which are countries that have already gained
independence from the great Russia and that remain

423
00:43:24.400 --> 00:43:31.559
a bastion of freedom, in a
sense of independence from Russia, of everything

424
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that means being under the Putin regime
and seeing the enemy very close. In

425
00:43:39.199 --> 00:43:44.480
that sense, they do not realize
that once Putina has advanced her troops,

426
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as she has done in Ukraine,
she has developed the war when there were

427
00:43:49.199 --> 00:43:52.079
many who said that it was not
going to happen, and he has.

428
00:43:52.159 --> 00:43:58.480
So countries like Estonia, because it' s very clear says in this we

429
00:43:59.119 --> 00:44:05.400
can' t let it rise another
millimeter. What happens that the options also

430
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of a defeat of Russia. That
is how Russia is defeated. That is

431
00:44:08.840 --> 00:44:16.760
the big question, because defeating Russia
involves triggering a war, that is,

432
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attacking Russia or strengthening. To what
extent does this aid to the defence of

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00:44:23.239 --> 00:44:29.000
Ukraine, involving, for example,
an entry of NATO directly into the conflict,

434
00:44:29.199 --> 00:44:32.440
and this is a little what is
now getting cheaper? To what extent

435
00:44:32.480 --> 00:44:37.039
is it going to go or to
what extent it would have to go so

436
00:44:37.480 --> 00:44:45.519
that a position for Ukraine that is
suitable for them and does not take them,

437
00:44:45.760 --> 00:44:51.079
does not leave the possibility for Russia
to continue with that plan that it

438
00:44:51.800 --> 00:44:57.280
has initiated in Ukraine, for an
imperialist plan. So let' s see

439
00:44:57.320 --> 00:45:00.000
what happens. As you rightly said, there are more actors here than much

440
00:45:00.519 --> 00:45:07.000
and on the global stage, it
could be a brake on what could happen

441
00:45:07.280 --> 00:45:09.519
if only Russia was here and there
was no one in front of it.

442
00:45:09.960 --> 00:45:15.079
They, I think they know and
Putings knows how far it can go.

443
00:45:15.119 --> 00:45:20.639
The problem is that when you skip
that line of invading Ukraine, you start

444
00:45:22.519 --> 00:45:27.960
to wonder that another line would not
be willing to jump. And that'

445
00:45:28.039 --> 00:45:31.000
s a little bit of the point, and that' s why I think

446
00:45:31.079 --> 00:45:37.079
we' ve seen it in statements
by rulers from Estonia, Poland, Finland,

447
00:45:37.400 --> 00:45:44.360
Sweden, almost every country that has
a border or is close to Russia,

448
00:45:45.320 --> 00:45:50.960
because they see that they can'
t trust that they' re going

449
00:45:51.039 --> 00:45:55.639
to be calm and that they'
re not going to make any other movement

450
00:45:55.639 --> 00:45:58.840
that extends the war to another scenario. So, well, it' s

451
00:45:59.440 --> 00:46:07.519
a sad situation of tension and it
also generates that uncertainty of what might happen

452
00:46:07.679 --> 00:46:15.159
in the future. Even we,
as Christians, believe in God, believe

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that all things are in God'
s hands, but we also know that

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in the world in which we are, because many forces of evil move and

455
00:46:22.719 --> 00:46:30.119
people also sometimes make absolutely irresponsible decisions
and that they harm not only them or

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00:46:30.360 --> 00:46:35.719
their generation, but they can even
cause harm that lasts generations. Let us

457
00:46:35.800 --> 00:46:39.920
hope that we do not have to
reach that stage and let us not forget

458
00:46:40.360 --> 00:46:49.079
the history, the history of our
continent in World War II, the destructions

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00:46:49.360 --> 00:46:55.960
that I leave that are still being
noticed and still visible in many of the

460
00:46:57.000 --> 00:47:04.519
conflicts that still exist in the world
and that we should not forget to not

461
00:47:04.599 --> 00:47:09.559
repeat that imperialist delusion, already from
the tsars and in Russia, from the

462
00:47:09.800 --> 00:47:20.519
Soviets, and prevalent is like a
kind of demon of power, demonia that

463
00:47:20.639 --> 00:47:24.920
intergenerationally reproduces. And that is delusions
of grandeur of control and, above all,

464
00:47:25.599 --> 00:47:30.639
evil, in the case of Stalin, in the case of putting,

465
00:47:30.840 --> 00:47:36.639
in the case that they murdered so
many millions of people and other suchtes and

466
00:47:36.679 --> 00:47:42.039
the worst version of the Tsars,
also people dying of hunger and totally.

467
00:47:42.519 --> 00:47:50.599
But we see that pattern reproduced in
Germany, with Prussia, that imperialist delusion

468
00:47:50.760 --> 00:47:57.920
until World War II, which was
defeated and stopped there. But also that

469
00:47:58.039 --> 00:48:06.280
imperialist expansionist delirium China, also formerly
also, but with mause tun, with

470
00:48:06.400 --> 00:48:13.119
the new leaders, that delirium but
evil, of manipulation, of control,

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00:48:13.280 --> 00:48:16.960
of perversion, of so many things. And in the case of Russia,

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I would also like to add that
I find regrettable the position also in this

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00:48:24.320 --> 00:48:29.639
regard, of the official religion,
in this regard, the Russian Church,

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00:48:30.119 --> 00:48:37.599
the Russian Orthodox Church, which is
unconditionally supporting Putin and which, indeed,

475
00:48:38.039 --> 00:48:47.679
does not raise a prophetic voice against
what he is doing. And even as

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00:48:47.840 --> 00:48:52.360
Putin sees it in many of his
interviews and many of his messages, he

477
00:48:52.960 --> 00:48:57.119
uses this as a way to validate
his war as well, that is,

478
00:48:58.000 --> 00:49:02.360
he says and many of the statements
we have heard from him in recent months

479
00:49:02.480 --> 00:49:07.000
by an actor related to this election
issue. He just saw Russia yesterday,

480
00:49:07.199 --> 00:49:14.960
where he won again, because he
speaks a lot about God. He talks

481
00:49:15.960 --> 00:49:20.840
about the right to protect his nation, to protect the family. He speaks

482
00:49:20.960 --> 00:49:27.280
of a model of life that is
against the demonic model of the West and

483
00:49:27.400 --> 00:49:32.400
of recovering and that they are like
the spiritual reserve. It speaks of being

484
00:49:32.480 --> 00:49:37.599
the spiritual reserve of the West,
of the world. And to me it

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00:49:38.000 --> 00:49:45.519
really seems tremendously offensive that a war
is really being waged on these terms and

486
00:49:45.639 --> 00:49:50.119
that the name of God is being
used to justify these kinds of actions.

487
00:49:51.840 --> 00:50:00.559
I totally reject it and it seems
to me that, as Christians we can

488
00:50:00.639 --> 00:50:07.719
say, we have to denounce that
this is not an adequate way to talk

489
00:50:07.840 --> 00:50:14.760
about these things and that it is
not justifiable in any sense, because from

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00:50:15.159 --> 00:50:22.360
then on, God has not ordered
putting to invade Ukraine or to maintain an

491
00:50:22.360 --> 00:50:25.440
authoritarian regime in his country. This
is not God' s will and I

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00:50:25.960 --> 00:50:30.880
really believe that, as Christians,
we should say it clearly too without any

493
00:50:30.000 --> 00:50:37.119
doubt, this is a breach of
a principle of that humanity, of breaking

494
00:50:37.119 --> 00:50:43.039
freedoms, even human dignity. All
the horror of the war, the destruction

495
00:50:43.119 --> 00:50:47.800
of so many thousands of lives,
as well as Israel' s war against

496
00:50:47.880 --> 00:50:52.840
the Gaza Strip, regardless of the
terrorist act that never made it so barbaric.

497
00:50:52.880 --> 00:50:57.280
And in addition, we should take
them and put all of us in

498
00:50:57.360 --> 00:51:01.480
a wall and end them, who
are the original cours of this reaction.

499
00:51:02.159 --> 00:51:08.559
But Israel' s reaction is barbarous. She' s totally wild, inhuman,

500
00:51:08.960 --> 00:51:13.039
and we have to condemn her.
And I am a man who loves

501
00:51:13.079 --> 00:51:20.719
the Israeli culture of principle, understanding
well the things of even prophetically the assignments

502
00:51:20.760 --> 00:51:23.639
that God gave to Israel and gives
towards the end of time, because he

503
00:51:23.760 --> 00:51:31.320
loves that people. But it does
not justify their demeanor and their political barbarities

504
00:51:31.400 --> 00:51:35.800
to kill more than thirty- zero
people, including not only children, which

505
00:51:35.880 --> 00:51:39.599
is a greater barbarity of women,
but human beings. This is madness,

506
00:51:40.079 --> 00:51:45.000
this must be stopped truth, yes, yes, of course to see what

507
00:51:45.039 --> 00:51:51.639
we are seeing also engagement, as
you were saying now and also similar arguments

508
00:51:51.920 --> 00:51:57.920
are sometimes also used arguments that have
to do also with spiritual things and,

509
00:51:58.320 --> 00:52:01.840
of course, that there is a
spiritual struggle. That' s not what

510
00:52:01.960 --> 00:52:05.440
we' re at all. Disputing. We think that' s there,

511
00:52:05.599 --> 00:52:14.760
too. But when you see that
there really are actions of governments that already

512
00:52:15.000 --> 00:52:19.880
declare it as they do not want
to seek a stage of peace, they

513
00:52:20.599 --> 00:52:23.400
are looking for destruction. Not only
do they leave more, but much more,

514
00:52:23.920 --> 00:52:30.599
much more, much more, much
more, and you really see actions

515
00:52:30.719 --> 00:52:35.039
that are terrible. We have seen, therefore, that people who were going

516
00:52:35.039 --> 00:52:37.960
to get food have been shot.
We have seen attacks have also been launched

517
00:52:38.039 --> 00:52:45.440
on previously unannounced sites that were inhabited
by families and have not really been given

518
00:52:45.519 --> 00:52:47.760
a choice. I mean, they' re families that are often not even

519
00:52:47.800 --> 00:52:52.559
having a choice of escape, escape, where to put, they don'

520
00:52:52.119 --> 00:52:58.159
t know where to go and all
this is being done because they really want

521
00:52:58.159 --> 00:53:01.119
to do it. So, I
mean, it' s not a cost

522
00:53:01.960 --> 00:53:06.480
that they wouldn' t want to
do it. Clearly, there is no

523
00:53:06.480 --> 00:53:09.519
great fault on the part of Hamas
and on the part of Gaza that for

524
00:53:09.599 --> 00:53:14.719
many years, and it is not
that we have to look for good ones

525
00:53:14.800 --> 00:53:21.119
and bad ones. But it really
is a situation that should also be sought

526
00:53:21.239 --> 00:53:28.239
a diplomatic solution that at least stops
the deaths of as many people as we

527
00:53:28.239 --> 00:53:30.679
are seeing. I don' t
know what a recount is like anymore,

528
00:53:30.800 --> 00:53:34.719
but I think about thirty zero people
have already died in Gaza. Maybe I

529
00:53:34.760 --> 00:53:42.440
' m getting short and well added
to the other thousand- and- a

530
00:53:42.800 --> 00:53:46.360
- peak who also died from never- ending tankers on October 7. I

531
00:53:46.360 --> 00:53:51.280
think hundreds of sixty or one hundred
and seventy hostages are still being kidnapped there.

532
00:53:52.199 --> 00:53:57.719
It is also perribe, that is, that it never continues to hold

533
00:53:57.840 --> 00:54:05.440
hostages and not the levels. Indeed
a situation is also entrenched in the people

534
00:54:05.559 --> 00:54:12.440
who are also making the decisions,
because they do not seem to be peacemakers,

535
00:54:12.840 --> 00:54:19.840
but rather people who are often guided
by evil and revenge, revenge.

536
00:54:22.039 --> 00:54:28.079
That is not the right engines to
be able to address such a matter the

537
00:54:28.199 --> 00:54:30.559
law of the heel, the eye
for an eye and says, as someone

538
00:54:30.599 --> 00:54:36.519
has said, the world goes blind
in this case and then they say good,

539
00:54:36.880 --> 00:54:40.480
for this is a kind of altruism
of the left and so noiga.

540
00:54:40.639 --> 00:54:46.239
This is humanity in its pure essence. This is outrageous. A person that

541
00:54:46.480 --> 00:54:53.519
I love of Israel and but of
course no one' s affection issues as

542
00:54:53.599 --> 00:54:58.840
criminal as this, that there is
an initial reaction, that there is an

543
00:54:58.960 --> 00:55:02.239
action of punishment and other measures and
all that. But by now a massive

544
00:55:02.320 --> 00:55:07.639
destruction of the Gaza Strip has to
come to a recomposition of this. I

545
00:55:07.760 --> 00:55:10.440
don' t know. The subject
of the Palestinian State. It is very

546
00:55:10.440 --> 00:55:17.159
difficult, very controversial indeed, as
the Spanish Government is claiming, among others.

547
00:55:17.679 --> 00:55:22.400
But the truth is that some solution
has to be found to these people.

548
00:55:22.440 --> 00:55:29.280
You can' t let these millions
of people die anywhere. And then,

549
00:55:30.480 --> 00:55:35.199
for that he has sages is supposed
to be the on or, the

550
00:55:35.199 --> 00:55:39.840
world. But then a character like
netanyahuo because I don' t know if

551
00:55:39.960 --> 00:55:47.880
he runs forward to hide some of
his misdeeds. Also intimate political corruptions,

552
00:55:49.760 --> 00:55:52.360
but not at all. And everyone
is saying enough already, it' s

553
00:55:52.400 --> 00:55:54.079
going to be enough already, enough
already, but not there, enough already.

554
00:55:54.920 --> 00:56:00.960
I do not know that God,
may God have mercy on the people

555
00:56:00.159 --> 00:56:05.079
of Gaza and on so many people
who are innocent. Yes, it is

556
00:56:05.360 --> 00:56:08.760
very sad what we are seeing and
I think that some time again we have

557
00:56:10.079 --> 00:56:15.079
commented on the leadership crisis that we
see at the global level, in the

558
00:56:15.639 --> 00:56:23.400
sense that leaders who make decisions or
are a little bit yes making key decisions

559
00:56:23.719 --> 00:56:28.519
in that regard, start a war, not start a war, respond in

560
00:56:28.599 --> 00:56:35.320
such a way or in such a
way. How they really make decisions that

561
00:56:35.440 --> 00:56:42.639
end up generating more violence, generating
more death, also generating a lot of

562
00:56:42.840 --> 00:56:49.159
injustice, and that this makes us
see in that sense, because a panorama

563
00:56:49.239 --> 00:56:53.679
a little desperate at the international level. I think there are still many things

564
00:56:53.800 --> 00:56:59.280
that are not as bad as they
might be, because the economic situation at

565
00:56:59.280 --> 00:57:01.280
a general level, as it is
more or less taking place and there is

566
00:57:01.320 --> 00:57:05.920
not a big collapse in that sense. But we are seeing how, in

567
00:57:05.960 --> 00:57:12.199
this situation, we generate this kind
of conflict if we were in a critical

568
00:57:12.280 --> 00:57:19.199
situation economically at the global level,
because really with these leaderships I feared the

569
00:57:19.280 --> 00:57:23.360
worst, burned the worst. Regretful
and wait talking before Russia and good of

570
00:57:23.360 --> 00:57:29.199
Israel. I' m sure,
in that sense, if the new tenant

571
00:57:29.280 --> 00:57:34.559
of the White House is again the
dance that is no more sweet peri,

572
00:57:34.719 --> 00:57:40.559
neither is a man who does not
respond to the demands of the situation in

573
00:57:40.559 --> 00:57:45.000
the United States. The United States
continues to have a very large, very

574
00:57:45.079 --> 00:57:49.000
large internal crisis. And if Donald
trun comes, then you will see the

575
00:57:50.440 --> 00:57:57.079
international unrest that occurs, and among
them, friend of Marras' s friend,

576
00:57:57.199 --> 00:58:02.440
Don Rars Putit, then he means
we will see. The board of

577
00:58:02.480 --> 00:58:08.800
international politics is almost demonized, although
some see a sort of redeemer in Donald

578
00:58:10.039 --> 00:58:16.280
Trump. We will see if it
had been good that we will not see,

579
00:58:17.199 --> 00:58:22.400
that Halley would have been a more
focused woman, also with a background,

580
00:58:23.559 --> 00:58:28.199
even of Christian values, more realistic
and more serious. But well,

581
00:58:28.519 --> 00:58:34.760
there is still a prejudice in American
politics, there is a prejudice towards leadership

582
00:58:34.760 --> 00:58:39.119
and women so much that they are
in so many very progressive orders, but

583
00:58:39.199 --> 00:58:44.239
in that there is still prejudice.
That' s the thing. But it

584
00:58:44.559 --> 00:58:49.880
would take this good if it was
prosecuted for the high treason that Donald trun

585
00:58:50.320 --> 00:58:52.039
committed with the assault on the Capitol, which was a coup, but in

586
00:58:52.239 --> 00:58:57.559
a serious version, if he is
ultimately prosecuted, yes Halley could be the

587
00:58:57.639 --> 00:59:00.400
candidate, but well, what happens
is that I do what we should be

588
00:59:00.679 --> 00:59:06.079
doing to the idea that it is
going to be Trump, that it will

589
00:59:07.360 --> 00:59:10.599
be cool yes, let' s
say judicially, in the end, if

590
00:59:12.000 --> 00:59:15.440
the decision ends up depending on the
Supreme Court, it is difficult that it

591
00:59:15.440 --> 00:59:20.599
can get to that point. Above
all, well, Trump was the one

592
00:59:20.679 --> 00:59:24.639
who placed three of the members.
Of course, then, well, those

593
00:59:24.760 --> 00:59:30.480
who owe you favors, but let' s say yes, you may have

594
00:59:30.599 --> 00:59:36.719
a good tendency that you really,
judicially can' t have problems and let

595
00:59:36.719 --> 00:59:37.840
' s see if you really what
happens. If there' s a second

596
00:59:38.280 --> 00:59:44.119
Trump mandate, there' s obviously
going to be a lot of people,

597
00:59:44.599 --> 00:59:46.199
because they' re also turning on
the alarms. Anyway, you always have

598
00:59:46.480 --> 00:59:52.840
to be a little cautious when it
comes to making previous analyses. We have

599
00:59:52.840 --> 00:59:53.719
to get to Trump first. No
one thought he' d make it.

600
00:59:53.920 --> 00:59:59.000
Then he came. Yes, terrible
things happened, but also others that well,

601
00:59:59.079 --> 01:00:02.639
because they didn' t really happen. Let' s say the apocalypse

602
01:00:02.679 --> 01:00:07.280
that many also said they were coming
then. In this sense, let'

603
01:00:07.360 --> 01:00:10.679
s see what ends up happening.
But it is going to find a different

604
01:00:10.760 --> 01:00:15.800
international panelambia, because now there is
already a conflict, obviously, on the

605
01:00:15.800 --> 01:00:21.679
table in Ukraine Russia and then,
on the other hand, with its relations

606
01:00:21.960 --> 01:00:24.920
in the Asian part, because we
will see what happens in case in cran

607
01:00:25.000 --> 01:00:30.760
it arrives to the government always the
United States, being already an act,

608
01:00:31.159 --> 01:00:36.280
an important actor, but no longer
the only actor. That too, of

609
01:00:36.360 --> 01:00:40.079
course, we are in a different
world. There is no longer a hegemony

610
01:00:40.159 --> 01:00:44.239
on the part of the United States, but there are actually several who can

611
01:00:44.280 --> 01:00:47.000
talk to it about your art,
much less. India is an important emerging

612
01:00:47.159 --> 01:00:52.679
actor that already has a lot of
weight, it will definitely have more.

613
01:00:52.159 --> 01:00:58.920
China, of course, does.
But for a country as important as the

614
01:00:59.039 --> 01:01:04.679
United States, a political manager as
he doesn' t know how to govern,

615
01:01:05.079 --> 01:01:07.159
other than this one like Vaiden,
who is a character that doesn'

616
01:01:07.159 --> 01:01:09.880
t have to be. They have
no other candidate for the Democrats, they

617
01:01:10.000 --> 01:01:15.280
have no other candidate for the Republicans, which is that those like me would

618
01:01:15.320 --> 01:01:22.480
bet on Mrs Harley in this case, but the one to govern a country

619
01:01:22.960 --> 01:01:29.920
and give these political velocities that can
lead the world into chaos. That'

620
01:01:30.039 --> 01:01:31.480
s what takes us away. But, well, I' m sure this

621
01:01:31.480 --> 01:01:35.840
will make you talk. And but
finally, the courtyard of my house is

622
01:01:35.960 --> 01:01:43.639
particular, they say, the courtyard
of national politics. It is good now

623
01:01:44.000 --> 01:01:50.440
elections in Catalonia soon, the freezing
of the general budgets of the State,

624
01:01:51.639 --> 01:01:54.880
the amnesty applied, well, although
now it will be delayed a little because

625
01:01:54.920 --> 01:01:59.119
it has to go to the Senate. The Senate rejects it and so act

626
01:01:59.320 --> 01:02:05.159
at least until June July. We
don' t know if Don Pux de

627
01:02:05.719 --> 01:02:10.400
Mon will run for June. Nor
in the polls do we expect this to

628
01:02:10.480 --> 01:02:15.559
be. Houha in favor of independence, far from it. People are so

629
01:02:15.599 --> 01:02:22.519
tired of this. Hey at the
popular level but totally and they don'

630
01:02:22.519 --> 01:02:24.320
t want cheap comics. Even if
it is said that we want to itac

631
01:02:24.519 --> 01:02:30.440
the moon, the jupiter world and
this people no longer go there, although

632
01:02:30.440 --> 01:02:35.840
if there is an independence feeling,
but people do not want and care you

633
01:02:36.079 --> 01:02:39.440
can not do that again. Forgive
me and the reflection I leave to you

634
01:02:39.519 --> 01:02:45.320
at your discretion, because when you
talk about this reference is impossible, it

635
01:02:45.519 --> 01:02:49.519
would have to be two- thirds
and it would have to be the People

636
01:02:49.519 --> 01:02:52.280
' s Party is also impossible.
There can be no referendum on self-

637
01:02:52.280 --> 01:02:55.719
determination. There is no self-
determination in any democracy in the world,

638
01:02:57.760 --> 01:03:00.079
in any constitution it means. But
it would also be imposino is that it

639
01:03:00.199 --> 01:03:05.199
is not possible. There' s
no reason to tell lies that they want

640
01:03:05.199 --> 01:03:07.519
us to believe. But, apart
from this, I don' t know

641
01:03:07.559 --> 01:03:08.719
what, I don' t know
how much. If such an act were

642
01:03:08.800 --> 01:03:13.599
to be committed again, the thing
would be very serious, that is,

643
01:03:13.679 --> 01:03:16.679
even the exthema. And they know
it and even if they say we'

644
01:03:16.800 --> 01:03:21.599
re going to do it and we' ll come back and they know it

645
01:03:21.599 --> 01:03:22.199
and they know that Troy' s
would be armed. And now it wouldn

646
01:03:22.320 --> 01:03:25.679
' t be the same. And
I hope that doesn' t happen,

647
01:03:25.719 --> 01:03:30.199
because we' re going to this
country like no good to see. I

648
01:03:30.280 --> 01:03:36.400
think politicians have to settle down a
little bit in reality and try to start

649
01:03:36.400 --> 01:03:40.079
solving people' s problems to see
if that definitely happens or continue as it

650
01:03:40.199 --> 01:03:45.159
has been this whole last year,
from appointment to election date. And it

651
01:03:45.280 --> 01:03:52.639
seems that governing consists of promoting itself
for the next, to occupy the next

652
01:03:52.800 --> 01:03:57.920
position that goes on sale is a
little sad to see this political panorama.

653
01:03:58.000 --> 01:04:04.599
Also well, it already announces a
legislature at the level of Spain of a

654
01:04:04.800 --> 01:04:06.599
lot of political crisis and, of
course, they are fulfilling it. That

655
01:04:06.840 --> 01:04:12.159
' s what they announced, they' re doing. On the catablamos comes

656
01:04:12.199 --> 01:04:17.239
a week- long scandal of corruption
and attacks in Congress. They' re

657
01:04:17.239 --> 01:04:23.719
already attacking, well, it'
s barbaric for their partners, for the

658
01:04:23.800 --> 01:04:27.000
rivers their relatives have. We'
ve already reached that point in the mud.

659
01:04:27.960 --> 01:04:30.119
Let' s see what' s
next. But, well, let

660
01:04:30.159 --> 01:04:33.679
' s not go ahead with events. I' m sure it' s

661
01:04:34.639 --> 01:04:39.800
going to get a little worse coming
weeks, as it gets done than on

662
01:04:40.800 --> 01:04:43.760
election dates and we' re really
going to see what happens. Of course

663
01:04:43.920 --> 01:04:45.440
in the middle of all this,
people, for, on the one hand,

664
01:04:45.559 --> 01:04:51.039
what you said not a certain disenchantment, of course, because already really

665
01:04:51.079 --> 01:04:58.559
that disenchantment is getting noticed. These
people are talking about their affairs and not

666
01:04:58.800 --> 01:05:03.119
what really closes our lives. That' s a very clear point there.

667
01:05:03.800 --> 01:05:08.719
But of course also, as we
said before, the problem of that disaffection

668
01:05:08.840 --> 01:05:15.320
that ends up, because really those
who usually take advantage of these disaffections are

669
01:05:15.400 --> 01:05:20.000
the parties or positions that are,
we could say more populist, that offer

670
01:05:20.000 --> 01:05:21.199
easy solutions, that they say,
because we have to throw them all out.

671
01:05:21.400 --> 01:05:25.559
Or they say, then, what
needs to be done is and some

672
01:05:25.639 --> 01:05:30.119
idea that can appear at first sight, because it solves things, but that

673
01:05:30.159 --> 01:05:34.599
does not really lead to a real
solution. And that' s a bit

674
01:05:34.719 --> 01:05:39.039
of a risk. We have also
seen it in other countries, in other

675
01:05:39.159 --> 01:05:47.360
places where populist rulers and with a
certain authoritarian profile, because they end up

676
01:05:48.079 --> 01:05:54.239
having that possibility of governing because of
this kind of situation in traditional politics.

677
01:05:55.599 --> 01:06:00.639
So let' s see to it
that we get out of this political game

678
01:06:00.719 --> 01:06:02.840
that looks like we' re now
caught up in. I don' t

679
01:06:02.880 --> 01:06:09.559
know maybe Santa week does good for
politicians they can relax and get some rest

680
01:06:09.639 --> 01:06:15.199
and, maybe they come back with
another look after that week. I think

681
01:06:15.320 --> 01:06:20.960
it will be little jump for these, because the hatred you have in this

682
01:06:21.079 --> 01:06:28.760
Cainite culture, cursed, that from
political navigating to death. But they can

683
01:06:28.880 --> 01:06:31.039
' t stand each other. It
is not good, it is no longer

684
01:06:31.159 --> 01:06:35.000
the bride of the groom, of
the President of the Community of Madrid,

685
01:06:35.079 --> 01:06:38.880
who, after all, is wrong
And this has to be set guidelines for

686
01:06:38.920 --> 01:06:44.840
it. But I don' t
know her, that' s not her

687
01:06:45.239 --> 01:06:48.400
private life, she' s a
boyfriend, she' s a scoundrel,

688
01:06:49.360 --> 01:06:55.639
she' s not even her husband, she doesn' t even mean that

689
01:06:55.639 --> 01:07:00.360
and then and Begoña Gomez' s
wife with the trapicheo east of there in

690
01:07:00.480 --> 01:07:02.440
Europe and all this Goldo subject and
all the sequences and inventions that there are

691
01:07:02.440 --> 01:07:05.719
also about it. And I know
what he' s going to see if

692
01:07:05.800 --> 01:07:11.960
he gets something out of us Daniel
and tells us that if we' re

693
01:07:12.079 --> 01:07:19.280
a little Martian, that we'
re infiltrated here, that we want to

694
01:07:19.400 --> 01:07:26.159
subvert order, institutional or constitutional order, when they' re doing it,

695
01:07:27.360 --> 01:07:30.760
as they say, it' s
not just getting upset if they' re.

696
01:07:30.199 --> 01:07:36.760
There are twelve powerful reasons that is
a constitutional alteration. It' s

697
01:07:36.840 --> 01:07:43.480
like some kind of constitutional modification.
Covert up the theme of famous Amnesty.

698
01:07:44.199 --> 01:07:46.760
No, but well we' ll
see all this is still going to give

699
01:07:46.760 --> 01:07:49.480
a lot of matraca. I don' t look forward to it. For

700
01:07:49.639 --> 01:07:56.719
whatever it is, Sanchez' s
legislature is doomed, very intoxicated. He

701
01:07:56.800 --> 01:08:02.039
' s a character. He is
a rasputio Spanish investment. He is a

702
01:08:02.119 --> 01:08:09.079
sorcerer of politics and his dialectics is
fallacious and has a skill that others do

703
01:08:09.159 --> 01:08:12.880
not have the staging and this is
keeping him. But this has an expiry

704
01:08:12.960 --> 01:08:17.319
point. If it isn' t
at the end of this year' s

705
01:08:17.399 --> 01:08:23.479
peak, before next summer, we' re running elections again, that'

706
01:08:23.760 --> 01:08:25.800
s for sure, yes, it
could be that the legislature will be shortened.

707
01:08:25.920 --> 01:08:30.359
We already mentioned it when it started, that it started in a very

708
01:08:30.479 --> 01:08:35.600
stormy way, obviously, because of
this pact with Junes for Amnesty. Once

709
01:08:35.680 --> 01:08:41.119
this is approved already, Juns is
saying that you won' t try one

710
01:08:41.199 --> 01:08:45.079
doesn' t want to negotiate budgets
for now, so let' s see

711
01:08:45.199 --> 01:08:48.439
what scenario we find right after the
autonomic elections that are going to have a

712
01:08:48.439 --> 01:08:53.960
weight. It' s also what
has to happen later, but let'

713
01:08:54.039 --> 01:08:59.800
s not rule it out at all
if there is a call for early elections,

714
01:09:00.359 --> 01:09:03.119
even if there is actually a censor. These are scenarios that don'

715
01:09:03.239 --> 01:09:08.000
t seem very likely right now,
but they are certainly not disposable at all,

716
01:09:08.680 --> 01:09:12.439
seeing the configuration in Congress and the
weakness the government is having. For

717
01:09:12.560 --> 01:09:16.960
certain things. Obviously, this corruption
of Koldos has touched them a little bit,

718
01:09:17.279 --> 01:09:21.000
it has left them a little touched, but it seems that they have

719
01:09:21.159 --> 01:09:26.840
contained it more or less for the
moment. But we don' t know.

720
01:09:27.199 --> 01:09:32.800
We know that because if what really
came out of there or what'

721
01:09:32.840 --> 01:09:36.840
s going to come out of there
can more directly affect other government positions.

722
01:09:39.279 --> 01:09:44.840
I think that might lead them to
succumb. It is clear that at the

723
01:09:45.479 --> 01:09:50.920
level of Spain, corruption issues have
usually been an important reason for political change.

724
01:09:53.159 --> 01:09:57.840
It is one of the issues that
we say that in these two decades

725
01:09:57.960 --> 01:10:03.520
more governments have suffered and have had
to leave office. Of course this is

726
01:10:03.640 --> 01:10:08.520
not why it has normally been the
changes of government people, I think it

727
01:10:08.560 --> 01:10:13.319
is general is the People' s
Party, the People' s Party with

728
01:10:13.479 --> 01:10:16.359
the Urter case, which was corruption, barbarous corruption, too, that is,

729
01:10:16.520 --> 01:10:19.520
it seems to alternate, but on
this occasion, of course, on

730
01:10:19.560 --> 01:10:23.239
this occasion it is not. Yeah, yeah, let' s see,

731
01:10:23.720 --> 01:10:28.800
let' s see what it really
ends up being there. Of all that,

732
01:10:30.600 --> 01:10:33.640
the other side will say that what
we still say saves the current government.

733
01:10:33.640 --> 01:10:38.000
I think it is the economic situation
and we also commented on it just

734
01:10:38.000 --> 01:10:43.079
before the previous elections, that if
we are in a situation where the economy

735
01:10:43.119 --> 01:10:45.880
really is not as bad as it
could have been. And it really is.

736
01:10:46.560 --> 01:10:49.279
Most of the economic forecasts at Spain' s level are now positive for

737
01:10:49.319 --> 01:10:54.680
growth, growth that is more in
line with what the Government expected and most

738
01:10:54.760 --> 01:10:59.640
of the feelings, as it goes
a bit along that line. If they

739
01:10:59.720 --> 01:11:05.319
are, then that may be the
Lifesaver who still grabs it. If you

740
01:11:05.439 --> 01:11:11.479
don' t get a poof out
of these from another one I don'

741
01:11:11.760 --> 01:11:15.640
t know what can happen also sometimes
the fact that who' s coming later.

742
01:11:15.720 --> 01:11:19.239
Not that too, obviously, is
what mobilized a lot and that I

743
01:11:19.239 --> 01:11:23.119
am. I think pretty well the
weight coming from the wolf, that what

744
01:11:23.439 --> 01:11:26.800
comes from the logo and even it
worked for him. We don' t

745
01:11:26.880 --> 01:11:29.760
know how many times it' s
going to work, but well, it

746
01:11:29.840 --> 01:11:33.039
' s clear there' s a
lot of rejection, especially of a government

747
01:11:33.039 --> 01:11:34.920
in which box is part at the
national level. That' s still it.

748
01:11:35.039 --> 01:11:40.840
Let' s say, I think
a general taboo at national level,

749
01:11:41.600 --> 01:11:45.159
at least but let' s see
then, as the Poemites say, that

750
01:11:45.199 --> 01:11:46.479
the wolf is coming, that they
are the other wolves that I have already

751
01:11:46.520 --> 01:11:49.760
seen the disaster, that then,
yes, but no. That naturalizes him

752
01:11:49.880 --> 01:11:55.319
and the others, the wolves,
are the others, not that they don

753
01:11:55.319 --> 01:11:57.279
' t. Okay. Anyway,
this would already give a lot of it,

754
01:11:58.520 --> 01:12:01.279
Daniel, we' ve had it
already to conclude, the feredea.

755
01:12:01.319 --> 01:12:06.479
He' s made his annual Assembly. Very interesting report. Good for the

756
01:12:06.560 --> 01:12:12.159
whole presentation of your annual management.
It has been magnificent and a relief in

757
01:12:12.239 --> 01:12:20.079
the Presidency. You have had a
magnificent presidency. Manuel I don' t

758
01:12:20.159 --> 01:12:26.319
remember you being a personal friend here
from Cataria, Manuel Rodríguez, from Manuel

759
01:12:26.800 --> 01:12:31.439
Mane Rodríguez, exactly. He'
s already got two legislatures and he'

760
01:12:31.439 --> 01:12:35.119
s handed in. Esteban Muñoz has
been elected, who is his name,

761
01:12:35.439 --> 01:12:42.239
excellent, was the current Vice President
and the truth is, for the management

762
01:12:42.359 --> 01:12:46.239
of ferede and then he follows in
office and I think he is increasingly more

763
01:12:46.279 --> 01:12:53.039
affirmed and well and resolutive to Carolina
Bueno as a woman who is doing her

764
01:12:53.119 --> 01:12:59.600
job very well. And the House
was very good, very positive, very

765
01:12:59.800 --> 01:13:06.600
respectful, very clear. Presentations on
accountability, accountability and, say, summaries

766
01:13:06.800 --> 01:13:15.960
by the Presidency, the General Secretariat, etc were also presented. And then,

767
01:13:16.359 --> 01:13:19.720
on the part of Diaconía España,
the investment of the evangelical social work

768
01:13:21.000 --> 01:13:27.399
Bueno already notice almost twenty million of
the series that have been invested in direct

769
01:13:27.439 --> 01:13:34.119
indirect humanitarian aid. There are many
more also and about ten million people directly

770
01:13:34.239 --> 01:13:40.479
benefited through the evangelical churches of Spain
from all kinds of humanitarian aid programs,

771
01:13:41.039 --> 01:13:45.279
not just embezzlement aid for delivering food
and clothing, not, no, no,

772
01:13:45.359 --> 01:13:51.600
many programs. There are organizations like
good, the Diaconía España, which

773
01:13:51.680 --> 01:13:57.319
programs very good, but also,
of course, solidarity initiatives, youth and

774
01:13:57.640 --> 01:14:01.479
lifed Remar, which was one of
the most remarkable of its contribution solidarity and

775
01:14:01.920 --> 01:14:08.319
such and good betel and challenge and
so many others that do a sensational job

776
01:14:08.520 --> 01:14:15.560
that the public authorities are not able
to do. So it means that we

777
01:14:15.560 --> 01:14:17.439
have to value what is done,
that we have been very silent, we

778
01:14:18.079 --> 01:14:21.920
have not put value what our truth
is true, it is true, yes,

779
01:14:23.039 --> 01:14:27.359
yes, no good. The truth
is that good news in this sense,

780
01:14:27.760 --> 01:14:33.079
in the sphere or evangelical of the
Federation and the work that is being

781
01:14:33.720 --> 01:14:40.279
done at institutional level and also,
as you rightly said, at the level

782
01:14:40.279 --> 01:14:46.960
of each denomination, of each church, of social action in evangelicals let us

783
01:14:47.039 --> 01:14:54.319
say that they are few in Spain, having a remarkable action, perhaps not

784
01:14:54.319 --> 01:14:58.720
too visible in that sense, but
remarkable and above all, a presence in

785
01:14:59.760 --> 01:15:03.439
neighborhoods, families with needs, groups
that are often neglected, as you said

786
01:15:03.439 --> 01:15:08.800
well. Now to highlight, of
course, the work that has been done

787
01:15:08.840 --> 01:15:12.399
historically in the field of drug addiction, addictions, the work is doing in

788
01:15:12.439 --> 01:15:15.119
the field of trafficking, for example, increasingly recognized by the Government, the

789
01:15:15.199 --> 01:15:18.880
number of evangelical entities that are fighting
against trafficking and helping women to get out

790
01:15:18.880 --> 01:15:25.159
of trafficking and good and, of
course, the great spiritual assistance that is

791
01:15:25.159 --> 01:15:29.640
done through evangelical churches that perhaps people, this does not give it so much

792
01:15:29.680 --> 01:15:32.159
importance, but this is fundamental,
that is, families that are being transformed

793
01:15:32.159 --> 01:15:47.319
by the power of God is that
they actually generate a better society. And

794
01:15:47.880 --> 01:15:53.960
basically this is the gospel. It' s not just that we transform structures

795
01:15:54.039 --> 01:15:58.199
or transform things from outside to inside, but inside to outside. What God

796
01:15:58.319 --> 01:16:01.760
does in us from there, everything
else is born, all the good we

797
01:16:01.760 --> 01:16:05.439
can do to what surrounds us and
the good for our cities, our towns

798
01:16:05.479 --> 01:16:11.680
and our country. And that'
s why I really think it' s

799
01:16:11.680 --> 01:16:14.119
important. It is not what you
said now, the social work that is

800
01:16:14.239 --> 01:16:16.359
being done and also, of course, at the administrative level, the work

801
01:16:16.600 --> 01:16:24.359
of ferrerere and the evangelical Councils,
which is also producing good results and hopefully

802
01:16:24.439 --> 01:16:29.000
we can continue along that line If
people knew that, it is all the

803
01:16:29.039 --> 01:16:31.439
public powers, because they think that
this thing of clear religion is misinterpreted by

804
01:16:31.600 --> 01:16:39.439
the background we have of organized religion, but that it is not religion,

805
01:16:39.800 --> 01:16:44.920
it is relationship with God, the
Gospel of Jesus, it is power of

806
01:16:45.000 --> 01:16:50.399
God for salvation and integral transformation of
the person, for all or all that

807
01:16:50.520 --> 01:16:56.760
woman who believes in Jesus with all
her heart. And this in my experience

808
01:16:56.760 --> 01:17:00.960
is your experience and hundreds of thousands
in this country, hundreds of thousands without

809
01:17:01.000 --> 01:17:13.000
exaggerating that we confess this as a
contribution to the change of worldviews of good

810
01:17:13.159 --> 01:17:18.760
practices, in the citizen relationship,
in social integration, in the transformation of

811
01:17:18.880 --> 01:17:24.680
addicts of all classes who only by
the power of the Gospel change, not

812
01:17:25.479 --> 01:17:29.159
by a power only of psychiatric application, which is a help, is a

813
01:17:29.239 --> 01:17:33.479
crutch, but by the power of
Jesus. All this is the wonderful capital

814
01:17:33.520 --> 01:17:39.079
that God gives through the evangelical communities, of more than five zero evangelical communities

815
01:17:39.199 --> 01:17:44.159
that exist throughout the Spanish state and
ferede represents it very worthyly, well,

816
01:17:44.680 --> 01:17:51.960
friends and here it is nothing to
simply add that they are digital. We

817
01:17:53.039 --> 01:17:57.680
will be reporting on this in the
coming hours, coming days, also on

818
01:17:57.760 --> 01:18:01.640
these issues that are sometimes a little
more technical or more internal, but also,

819
01:18:01.960 --> 01:18:08.159
of course, that are of interest
to many readers. I believe yes,

820
01:18:08.359 --> 01:18:12.680
there I was seeing Peter as well
and so many others, the Director

821
01:18:12.760 --> 01:18:18.159
General of Protestant Aeropago, and I
have to underline the cordiality and the very

822
01:18:18.319 --> 01:18:23.760
atmosphere among all the leadership of all
sectors, the harmony and very notorious.

823
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I celebrate her and sincere truth,
I saw her and this speaks of a

824
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good momentum of the evangelical people in
Spain among themselves. Therefore, we have

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to give this projection to the citizens
and politicians who are giving this regrettable spectacle

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that we all regret. Daniel,
thank you, friend, thank you,

827
01:18:47.840 --> 01:18:53.000
thanks to you, Julio, you
have a good day and I also greet

828
01:18:53.119 --> 01:19:25.079
the whole audience forever. Bye,
Chao, thank you, I doubt until

829
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he comes closer than ever today.
We invite you to the second edition of

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this Interdenominational Congress aimed at the whole
Body of Christ in Spain and Europe,

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01:19:38.880 --> 01:19:43.760
which will take place from 26 to
28 April in the Fira de Reus,

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01:19:44.720 --> 01:19:50.880
Tarragona. With us will be international
speakers Mariano sen Igual, Benjamin Núñez and

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01:19:51.000 --> 01:20:04.239
Marcos Brunet To Wan Wa or Fama. For more information. You can enter

834
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our wwwwww website until he comes.
It is either to write to the six,

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01:20:13.039 --> 01:20:15.520
one, six, eight, eight, one, five, seven,

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01:20:16.279 --> 01:20:21.359
one, six hundred, sixteen,
eight hundred and eighty- one, five

837
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hundred and seventy- one and to
consult prices and registration modalities. Don'

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01:20:25.199 --> 01:20:30.039
t miss the opportunity to participate in
this great call until he comes? Until

839
01:20:30.159 --> 01:20:47.520
he comes? Or already pruning home
knee before your glory low famed from every

840
01:20:47.680 --> 01:21:27.319
other train of life. Life jumps
very little for your return that I will

841
01:21:27.439 --> 01:21:38.439
leave you dressed in Gloria, surrounded
naked that I will see you. I

842
01:21:38.560 --> 01:22:05.600
know I' m going to see
Look, we' re going to re

843
01:22:10.159 --> 01:22:48.000
- king I' m here.
I am the one who will see you

844
01:22:49.079 --> 01:23:10.359
to see that thanks king have you
I am the you my life. My

845
01:23:10.680 --> 01:23:53.680
watery great vega awaits king and we
are my brother I carried you while I

846
01:23:55.640 --> 01:24:15.880
see your beams tasting you your children
to worship, while your children turn away

847
01:24:15.840 --> 01:24:32.479
from singing sando sando sando, your
children. As your children wake up from

848
01:24:33.399 --> 01:24:46.439
singing sando healthy the train of life, an exciting journey along the routes of

849
01:24:46.560 --> 01:25:49.760
the heart, an unforgettable journey at
the rhythm of train haja. Ladies and

850
01:25:49.880 --> 01:25:54.000
gentlemen, we' re on the
train of life. It' s an

851
01:25:54.119 --> 01:25:58.800
unstoppable train like life itself, that
living parable. Look here, you'

852
01:25:58.800 --> 01:26:01.800
ve got the tome. It is
a production of editorial clie together with editorial

853
01:26:01.800 --> 01:26:12.760
life, a great production, taking
as text the basis the Queen Valera to

854
01:26:13.359 --> 01:26:17.520
talk about what, since of the
Bible of patristic study of the first six

855
01:26:17.600 --> 01:26:24.640
centuries, from one to the sixth, the wisdom of ancient Christianity, that

856
01:26:24.720 --> 01:26:28.319
way much more than the current one. There were also many controversies and energies.

857
01:26:28.760 --> 01:26:34.800
I do as well, but there
were also men from the origins from

858
01:26:34.880 --> 01:26:43.520
Policarpo, Papias, Hermas and so
many other very illustrious chattullian. The finalist

859
01:26:43.720 --> 01:26:47.880
is, not to say, Augustine
and Pona, of which many references appear

860
01:26:47.960 --> 01:26:53.880
in this Bible of patristics, wisdom, of Christianity in the first six centuries.

861
01:26:53.960 --> 01:26:56.760
They make the comments, then it
will come from so many others.

862
01:26:56.920 --> 01:27:02.359
It is not very important beyond the
Bible which is the Bible I understand and

863
01:27:02.600 --> 01:27:08.079
believe it is the living word of
God. After so many avatars we have

864
01:27:08.079 --> 01:27:13.760
here a collection miraculously in our hands, as are the sixty- six biblical

865
01:27:13.880 --> 01:27:20.039
books of the old and new Testament. But the comments of this monumental work

866
01:27:20.520 --> 01:27:27.239
and we will talk to you about
main features at a time and one of

867
01:27:27.439 --> 01:27:32.439
the editors, also reviewers and also
those who have worked and contributed to the

868
01:27:32.600 --> 01:27:36.720
editing and commentaries of this Bible.
Don Jesús Zamora from the United States,

869
01:27:39.159 --> 01:27:45.439
good morning there, good afternoon here, Jesus, good morning, good morning,

870
01:27:45.399 --> 01:27:48.840
how are you? From where we
speak, what part of the United

871
01:27:50.159 --> 01:27:56.119
States, we speak, from Maryland, Mary Laudry, near the city of

872
01:27:56.119 --> 01:27:59.319
Baltimore. Yeah, all right,
that' s where we meet on the

873
01:27:59.319 --> 01:28:00.399
coast. From here on the good
days, they' re not early anymore.

874
01:28:00.439 --> 01:28:04.000
Now we are, I think,
five hours apart from Spain. Yeah,

875
01:28:04.119 --> 01:28:09.600
well, good for now and also
the schedule. Yes, very well,

876
01:28:09.680 --> 01:28:14.000
very well, how about the family, well, all right, all

877
01:28:14.119 --> 01:28:19.439
right, quiet, quiet around here, Jesus, if I let you dress

878
01:28:20.920 --> 01:28:29.800
up your performance there today, what
is it in America? Currently I am

879
01:28:29.880 --> 01:28:33.720
collaborating with the seminary is Inst and
is Other Baucto Historical Seminary and giving the

880
01:28:33.800 --> 01:28:43.600
history classes of the Church and I
am also dedicating teaching at a pambish university

881
01:28:43.760 --> 01:28:47.279
Atlanti University, also with the same
subjects, with Church history and humanities.

882
01:28:49.520 --> 01:28:54.920
What' s interesting with them?
What' s interesting? I congratulate you

883
01:28:54.960 --> 01:28:57.720
on the truth. These are subjects
that I' m passionate about, so

884
01:28:57.800 --> 01:29:03.640
it' s always me I'
ve been until not long ago a media

885
01:29:04.239 --> 01:29:10.319
professor in some of our country'
s faculties. But I like patristics,

886
01:29:10.920 --> 01:29:15.079
the history of the Church. I
am passionate about their controversies and their successes

887
01:29:15.119 --> 01:29:23.079
and failures. No, you know
that pretty well. I like it,

888
01:29:23.439 --> 01:29:26.039
I really like to say that I
love it, that it' s my

889
01:29:26.039 --> 01:29:29.520
passion. History is my passion and
specifically the history of the Church, the

890
01:29:29.520 --> 01:29:33.760
history of Antiquity, are my passions. I wonder sometimes we go on to

891
01:29:33.840 --> 01:29:40.359
approach a little bit of the subject
of the Bible with the patristics for the

892
01:29:40.359 --> 01:29:43.840
first six centuries, which is the
first, the first release of editorial click

893
01:29:43.840 --> 01:29:47.880
life. I wonder if people knew
that the history of the good world precedes

894
01:29:47.880 --> 01:29:53.800
a hundred million years. Okay.
I think it' s an exaggeration,

895
01:29:54.159 --> 01:29:58.000
but since it' s been known, since the origins of the most ancient

896
01:30:00.039 --> 01:30:04.399
cultures, a lot really and clearly
has happened. Conquerors, war was the

897
01:30:04.600 --> 01:30:08.640
culture of war. One country imposed
itself on another. So, when you

898
01:30:08.720 --> 01:30:12.159
read the old will, you have
to contextualize yourself. It was the culture

899
01:30:13.000 --> 01:30:17.239
of one country over the other,
not prevailing. But what in the twenty

900
01:30:17.399 --> 01:30:25.159
centuries, already twenty- one centuries
of Christianity, with all its historical changes,

901
01:30:26.199 --> 01:30:30.319
is the true and essence of the
history of mankind. I don'

902
01:30:30.319 --> 01:30:33.000
t know what you think. Yes, at least, it is the essence

903
01:30:33.159 --> 01:30:38.039
of the history of the West,
the history of the West so cannot be

904
01:30:38.079 --> 01:30:42.600
understood without Christianity. That' s
literally the first thing I learned when I

905
01:30:42.640 --> 01:30:45.920
entered college. I was there,
in Alcalá' s novelity, in my

906
01:30:45.159 --> 01:30:53.520
first class of history. I remember
that the professor, the Greek history professor

907
01:30:53.520 --> 01:30:56.800
of classical history, mentioned that to
us and that was engraved on my head.

908
01:30:58.079 --> 01:31:01.319
And the truth is that throughout the
race one realizes that, at least

909
01:31:01.399 --> 01:31:06.039
for the history of the West.
Christianity is vital and is the essence,

910
01:31:06.239 --> 01:31:12.520
essence and soul of Western culture,
both on the other side of the puddle

911
01:31:12.640 --> 01:31:15.760
where you are, yes, and
on this side of the puddle. Yes,

912
01:31:15.880 --> 01:31:17.640
yes, yes, sir, sir, yes, but come on,

913
01:31:18.159 --> 01:31:23.680
the story of the idea is also
the church. When I remember, when

914
01:31:23.680 --> 01:31:30.039
I read the Empire of Isartashimov Foundation, I don' t know if you

915
01:31:30.119 --> 01:31:31.399
could read this work of science,
fiction, no, but I read it.

916
01:31:31.520 --> 01:31:38.479
I mean, it' s like
the history of religion, understand Christianity

917
01:31:38.560 --> 01:31:45.640
in a fictional, unimaginable, futuristic
version. No. But it is because

918
01:31:45.840 --> 01:31:51.239
religion has been the one that has
led for evil or for good the history

919
01:31:53.119 --> 01:31:58.039
of humanity. Right. Yes,
indeed, at least in the case of

920
01:31:58.640 --> 01:32:01.920
Christianity, it has its asis hatos, those mistakes, this I think are

921
01:32:02.880 --> 01:32:05.920
popular and are known. And we
can see that, because throughout ancient,

922
01:32:06.279 --> 01:32:12.640
medieval, modern and contemporary history,
I do not know where Christianity, because

923
01:32:12.680 --> 01:32:16.880
it has had things in which it
has led well to society, has led

924
01:32:16.880 --> 01:32:21.760
well to the world and where we
have also made mistakes. Yes, because,

925
01:32:21.880 --> 01:32:28.560
frankly, Christianity does not escape from
having committed bad budgets towards itself.

926
01:32:29.479 --> 01:32:31.319
Yeah, well, yeah, yeah, you have to do self- criticism

927
01:32:31.319 --> 01:32:34.279
on that. Well, especially when
religion has become a bulwark that has justified

928
01:32:34.359 --> 01:32:44.399
other historical appeals or invasions or impositions
or war for war. To be clear,

929
01:32:44.920 --> 01:32:49.319
also in the clashes of the holy
places of Islam against the splendour of

930
01:32:49.359 --> 01:32:55.000
Islamic culture. No, and also, I mean, we have to make

931
01:32:55.399 --> 01:33:00.600
proper readings of history, also that
some are unfortunate and others have been inevitable.

932
01:33:00.640 --> 01:33:04.199
Indeed, as you mentioned before,
we must be self- critical because

933
01:33:04.319 --> 01:33:10.359
sometimes we are clear only in the
positive aspects, but we also forget that

934
01:33:10.399 --> 01:33:16.079
we have made mistakes and mistakes from
which we learn, learn and are still

935
01:33:16.079 --> 01:33:18.760
in learning. We can improve them
so we don' t commit it again.

936
01:33:19.880 --> 01:33:24.439
I don' t know. I
have here my technical director who I

937
01:33:24.840 --> 01:33:27.920
don' t know if we have
Alfonso around here isn' t not there,

938
01:33:28.119 --> 01:33:30.560
I think, I don' t
know what there was some technical problem,

939
01:33:30.560 --> 01:33:32.199
although he' s in Spain.
What happens is that Alfonso is a

940
01:33:32.279 --> 01:33:39.560
retired, jubilant and then a good
friend, a good friend. We were

941
01:33:39.600 --> 01:33:42.960
talking this week and I say we' re going to work with Jesus.

942
01:33:44.600 --> 01:33:47.319
But if there' s you,
some other pointer who' s also done

943
01:33:47.319 --> 01:33:55.079
some collaboration. This work, how
you would describe it, this work and

944
01:33:55.159 --> 01:34:00.960
Bible of patristic study from the first
century to the sixth, this wisdom of

945
01:34:00.960 --> 01:34:06.479
ancient Christianity. What a definition you' d give him. I' d

946
01:34:06.479 --> 01:34:13.520
choose him. I think two words, two words. First, basically unique

947
01:34:13.600 --> 01:34:18.840
in its genre, in the sphere
of Spanish evangelism and, on the other

948
01:34:18.840 --> 01:34:25.119
hand, of a profound work,
unique in its hero genre, in the

949
01:34:25.199 --> 01:34:33.039
sense that there are no other publishing
houses that have worked at least in Spanish,

950
01:34:33.079 --> 01:34:41.840
specifically with the patristic authors. There
are other Bibles that also have comments

951
01:34:41.880 --> 01:34:44.800
to the church’ s peers,
but they have usually been worked from English

952
01:34:44.880 --> 01:34:50.439
to Spanish, but here and not
in the evangelical realm, but in the

953
01:34:50.520 --> 01:34:55.920
eagelic realm, this is the only
one. Literally for the moment. We

954
01:34:56.000 --> 01:34:57.439
don' t know this the future. No. Yeah. Yeah? Yeah?

955
01:34:57.520 --> 01:35:00.359
Yeah? Yeah? Yes, I
agree. And then, in the

956
01:35:00.439 --> 01:35:03.279
area of depth, not only for
the comments, but also for the articles

957
01:35:03.399 --> 01:35:09.199
that have been placed in this Bible
so that the people who acquire not only

958
01:35:09.319 --> 01:35:13.199
benefit from the comments of the parents, but also from the articles that contextualize

959
01:35:13.319 --> 01:35:19.760
those comments. So it' s
unique in that respect. It' s

960
01:35:21.439 --> 01:35:26.199
unique because it' s unique and
it' s deep, not because there

961
01:35:26.279 --> 01:35:31.880
are other Bibles and here you really
don' t want to do so much

962
01:35:32.000 --> 01:35:33.439
propaganda and sell it because it'
s part of the House of Clier,

963
01:35:33.439 --> 01:35:35.880
part of the editorial. No.
But in that respect, because I would

964
01:35:35.880 --> 01:35:40.119
say that it is unique and deep, then it is significant. Yes,

965
01:35:40.159 --> 01:35:45.039
it' s true, yes,
yes, I can honestly be more neustral

966
01:35:45.680 --> 01:35:49.960
though I' m a friend of
the Clie House, but friends, as

967
01:35:50.359 --> 01:35:56.399
I have so many others. But
from my perspective, it' s a

968
01:35:56.520 --> 01:36:00.159
magna play. Sincerely more than twelve
zero notes of study, from those of

969
01:36:00.199 --> 01:36:06.279
the comments of the Church' s
parents up to the sixth century, to

970
01:36:06.399 --> 01:36:12.399
special articles of the most relevant subjects
on the ancient Christian Church that one must

971
01:36:12.439 --> 01:36:15.920
know when one ends up in the
deeds of the apostles and has and has

972
01:36:16.000 --> 01:36:19.079
no more sequences. Well, there' s what it is, it'

973
01:36:19.159 --> 01:36:23.600
s a wonder, it' s
a blessing, but we' re too

974
01:36:23.600 --> 01:36:26.319
far from it. So, then, when we start in the second century,

975
01:36:27.199 --> 01:36:30.640
in the good century, end of
the first century, John with his

976
01:36:30.079 --> 01:36:35.199
apocalypse, but then in the second
century, with all the controversies heresies and

977
01:36:35.239 --> 01:36:41.600
some climsy successes and successes and progress
and returns. But when the third century,

978
01:36:41.880 --> 01:36:45.359
I steal fourth, fifth century and
the doumatic manifestation of the Roman Catholic

979
01:36:45.439 --> 01:36:53.199
Apostolic Church and others and other derivations, then biographies of church fathers. It

980
01:36:53.880 --> 01:36:59.079
contains this book, this Bible commented
with notes from parents of the Church glossary

981
01:36:59.239 --> 01:37:04.039
of important ancient believing terms. Very
interesting these words of Jesus in Red,

982
01:37:04.199 --> 01:37:11.880
also to highlight them and classify the
notes into seven types, not later prophetic,

983
01:37:12.520 --> 01:37:17.640
contextual, doctrinal, devotional, philological, exegetical, theological, I mean,

984
01:37:18.720 --> 01:37:23.359
this is sud, this has been. You' ve worked well on

985
01:37:23.359 --> 01:37:26.760
this. Uh, yeah, actually, I know a lot of mouthfuls from

986
01:37:26.840 --> 01:37:32.279
behind, a lot of andwich,
not a lot of sandwich. Well,

987
01:37:32.600 --> 01:37:36.079
in Spain you know it' s
a snack, that here are the sandwiches

988
01:37:36.119 --> 01:37:39.960
you' ll miss. I'
m sure he missed the truth yesterday that

989
01:37:39.960 --> 01:37:46.720
you didn' t make carpanta sandwiches. Yeah, hey, but talking about

990
01:37:47.159 --> 01:37:51.840
these things because, for example,
I' m a patristic aficionado. Telling

991
01:37:51.880 --> 01:37:58.000
me opened up when I read the
first stories of the Church in the seventies

992
01:37:58.119 --> 01:38:02.960
and so few. I became seventy- two. I was eighteen years old

993
01:38:02.960 --> 01:38:06.319
and now, if you add up, people will go, because this guy

994
01:38:06.319 --> 01:38:11.600
has good, because what technical is
the same. The fact is that really

995
01:38:11.640 --> 01:38:15.239
and when I started because I joined
the great Paria culture very late, I

996
01:38:15.319 --> 01:38:17.640
didn' t know anything. I
learned to read the New Testament at all

997
01:38:17.800 --> 01:38:21.399
well, but then I joined the
culture, evidently, also several lines and

998
01:38:23.279 --> 01:38:29.520
also academically. And then, when
I began to read to the Church'

999
01:38:29.640 --> 01:38:32.119
s parents, among other things,
I had read many secular things. But

1000
01:38:32.159 --> 01:38:35.800
when I began to read the history
of the Church in several of several authors

1001
01:38:36.520 --> 01:38:42.399
and the patristic, it gave me
a light on the history of Christianity,

1002
01:38:43.239 --> 01:38:47.239
which contributed to my personal enrichment,
but in a very significant way. And

1003
01:38:47.319 --> 01:38:55.279
I say this because of this publication
and after people who can take advantage of

1004
01:38:55.359 --> 01:38:59.439
the patrology, the patristics, which
are the parents of the Church. That

1005
01:38:59.479 --> 01:39:03.279
means for the thristics, the followers
of the apostles and disciples, the disciples

1006
01:39:03.359 --> 01:39:10.920
of the apostles and others and others. You understand then that we have arrived

1007
01:39:10.920 --> 01:39:16.239
until today, Then you agree with
me that knowing the history of the Church

1008
01:39:16.279 --> 01:39:21.720
opens the eyes of the mind,
of the soul and sometimes of the spirit

1009
01:39:23.680 --> 01:39:28.800
also not effectively, to being known
above all the history of the ancient Church

1010
01:39:29.000 --> 01:39:35.119
is something important to understand our own
identity as evangelicals and as Protestants, for

1011
01:39:35.199 --> 01:39:41.479
example, this was understood by the
reformers, the most gisterial reformers that for

1012
01:39:42.199 --> 01:39:45.520
them the good use to take into
account the pairs of the Church, to

1013
01:39:45.600 --> 01:39:47.000
take into account the ancient created ones, was something fundamental. So many,

1014
01:39:47.239 --> 01:39:54.399
so even, for example, the
Spanish reformers, like Juan Díaz or as

1015
01:39:54.760 --> 01:39:58.279
if full of courage, they make
a use of the Church' s parents,

1016
01:39:58.640 --> 01:40:01.600
make a use of the ancient creeds, make a use of the ancient

1017
01:40:01.640 --> 01:40:06.039
councils. So, basically, following
that example, we also have to take

1018
01:40:06.119 --> 01:40:11.159
into account, for what the Church' s parents have said. No And

1019
01:40:11.520 --> 01:40:16.279
in that respect, it is essential
to know, to know what they have

1020
01:40:16.680 --> 01:40:21.079
said, to know what they have
said. And for that this Bible can

1021
01:40:21.119 --> 01:40:25.560
help us a lot can help us
a lot so I can' t agree

1022
01:40:25.600 --> 01:40:30.760
badly with you, well, there
are many notes from many illustrious, of

1023
01:40:31.239 --> 01:40:34.920
course they are intuous earlier Augustin of
Hippo. There are many notes of it

1024
01:40:34.960 --> 01:40:41.439
origins of Alexandria, which were authentic
intellectuals, besides being men of faith but

1025
01:40:41.560 --> 01:40:47.039
powerful, true, not effectively towards
those here, in this Bible, for

1026
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not only have been compiled the texts
of fathers of the Church, as you

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01:40:51.760 --> 01:40:57.720
have mentioned, as St Augustine,
as Irenaeus of Leon, as that Clement

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01:40:57.840 --> 01:41:01.359
of Alexandria or Clement of Rome,
but I also have of several authors not

1029
01:41:01.479 --> 01:41:08.640
considered parents of the Church, but
significant Christian authors to understand Christian theology,

1030
01:41:09.279 --> 01:41:15.399
especially lamatics, dogmatic doctrine, either
as Christology, Trinity dogma, as,

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01:41:16.279 --> 01:41:23.640
for example, here mentions authors as
Origen of Alexandria. Origen of Alexandria is

1032
01:41:23.720 --> 01:41:26.199
not considered a father of the Church, but a Christian author of Antiquity.

1033
01:41:26.920 --> 01:41:30.199
Yes, despite not having that title
of Father of the Church, we have

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01:41:30.199 --> 01:41:33.680
to know what I have said,
because his theology has been significant for the

1035
01:41:33.920 --> 01:41:38.680
Council of Nicaea, for example.
And here are notes about what Origen of

1036
01:41:38.840 --> 01:41:45.239
Jandria said. Also then this Bible
does not have notes from the Church'

1037
01:41:45.279 --> 01:41:48.960
s parents, but also notes from
different Christian authors significant to Christian dogma.

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01:41:49.840 --> 01:41:58.760
And it also has references to heterodox
authors, for example, to know what

1039
01:41:58.800 --> 01:42:02.880
heterodoxes have said about different topics and
to know how the church' s parents

1040
01:42:02.880 --> 01:42:11.199
responded to those heterodox authors. Yes, yes, for example, of course

1041
01:42:11.199 --> 01:42:17.119
origins. He was an apologist,
an advocate of faith with an intellectual scope

1042
01:42:18.279 --> 01:42:26.399
for sophisms, especially philosophical ones,
that philosophy and theology have been very interrelated,

1043
01:42:26.680 --> 01:42:31.079
but they were illustrious. Augustine de
pon was a teacher of philosophical rhetoric

1044
01:42:32.039 --> 01:42:38.560
and in fact, Augustine' s
theology is permeated in some way in theology,

1045
01:42:39.199 --> 01:42:42.920
is permeated by his deterministic conception of
life, truth and so not yes.

1046
01:42:44.840 --> 01:42:47.359
No. Indeed, with the case
of St Augustine, we can already

1047
01:42:47.479 --> 01:42:54.880
see the influence of neo- platonic
philosophy. Yes in him in many aspects

1048
01:42:54.920 --> 01:42:59.640
of his theology, which has also
shaped medieval Christian theology, not by St

1049
01:43:00.359 --> 01:43:02.720
Augustine' s, but also origins, as he mentioned earlier. St Augustine

1050
01:43:02.720 --> 01:43:06.159
' s. Despite origins, as
I mentioned before, it does not have

1051
01:43:06.199 --> 01:43:12.840
this traditional label as a church father. His Christology will be fundamental to understanding

1052
01:43:12.920 --> 01:43:17.079
Christian orthodoxy, because it will have
an impact on authors like Tanasio of Alexandria,

1053
01:43:17.600 --> 01:43:24.359
who will be significant for the Council
of Nicaea. So we can learn

1054
01:43:24.359 --> 01:43:30.000
from both orthodox authors. It was
from authors who have no label. Athanasius

1055
01:43:30.039 --> 01:43:35.159
was the restorer of the rian controversy
in some way definitely at the Council of

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01:43:35.239 --> 01:43:40.760
Nicaea and that Spain, for example, for more than a hundred years.

1057
01:43:41.399 --> 01:43:47.640
It was arian Christianity in the Visigoth
was also Arrian over all, saying to

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01:43:47.720 --> 01:43:53.760
Christ as the god made man,
not the common day of méns. Spain

1059
01:43:54.000 --> 01:44:00.560
still suffered the pitfalls of Arianism,
as mentioned for about a hundred years.

1060
01:44:00.680 --> 01:44:06.199
No, but the last places where
Arganism still survived. Yes, yes,

1061
01:44:06.600 --> 01:44:11.600
yes, yes, curiously, and
then speaking of as origins, but there

1062
01:44:11.680 --> 01:44:17.600
is also the so- called Justin
Martyr, another intellectual, another name of

1063
01:44:17.960 --> 01:44:23.760
a tremendous level. But yes,
there are apologists men and there are parents

1064
01:44:23.760 --> 01:44:27.920
too, of course it was seen
from already Aria Tertulliano and Augustin Nipon.

1065
01:44:27.960 --> 01:44:30.880
There are so many others who were
very illustrious. No. And the list

1066
01:44:30.960 --> 01:44:32.039
is long? Is it long?
Don' t you? Is the list

1067
01:44:32.119 --> 01:44:34.960
huge? Is the list huge?
And here, in this Bible, for

1068
01:44:35.039 --> 01:44:39.319
what has been done is to try
to repilate most of their remaining comments.

1069
01:44:42.279 --> 01:44:45.199
Hundreds and thousands of comments have been
left out, because what parents comment about

1070
01:44:45.359 --> 01:44:50.319
Christian authors, what they comment about
the Bible, about the old and the

1071
01:44:50.359 --> 01:44:55.319
new Testaments, is immense, it
is immense. So you' ve had

1072
01:44:56.039 --> 01:45:02.199
to literally be so selective, because
the comment list is huge. Hear for

1073
01:45:02.279 --> 01:45:08.439
sure that for me I congratulate all
the team that you have done this work,

1074
01:45:09.279 --> 01:45:15.039
from this Bible that I understand will
continue with the next centuries of the

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01:45:15.119 --> 01:45:18.840
seven surely to the probably until the
dawn of the Protestant reformation of the modern

1076
01:45:18.920 --> 01:45:26.359
age. But here is the Bible
of patristic study centuries from one to the

1077
01:45:27.079 --> 01:45:31.920
sixth, the wisdom of ancient Christianity, one of its cole those who have

1078
01:45:32.159 --> 01:45:35.880
collegiate it together with so many others. Don Jesús Zamora, who we are

1079
01:45:36.920 --> 01:45:42.680
also interviewing our friend Alfonso wardrobe who
I believe has had an imponderable and has

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01:45:42.760 --> 01:45:45.520
not been able to be today last
minute. But well, thank God,

1081
01:45:45.720 --> 01:45:49.000
we were already counting on you in
principle, but talking to this week about

1082
01:45:49.359 --> 01:45:56.560
or because Alfonso and I talked about
almost everyone at a particular level. But

1083
01:45:57.119 --> 01:45:59.920
I say, hey, hey,
hey, hey, hey, hey,

1084
01:46:00.640 --> 01:46:02.640
hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey,

1085
01:46:02.640 --> 01:46:02.640
hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey,

1086
01:46:02.640 --> 01:46:03.920
hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. But thank you, Jesus,

1087
01:46:04.720 --> 01:46:10.399
because it illustrates us a lot and
I think that with this we want

1088
01:46:10.479 --> 01:46:14.079
to recommend to our audience from the
train of life this program that already turns

1089
01:46:14.119 --> 01:46:19.319
thirty- two years old a magaxin
of news, interviews, curiosities that have

1090
01:46:19.399 --> 01:46:26.000
to put in value what we do
in the Protestant world and among them,

1091
01:46:26.479 --> 01:46:31.920
this magisterial publication of the Bible,
of patristic study of the first centuries Editorial

1092
01:46:32.039 --> 01:46:34.800
Clie fundamentally, also in collaboration with
Editorial Vida. But I have loved,

1093
01:46:34.840 --> 01:46:40.720
in addition to everything I have said, the notes of prophetic, contextual,

1094
01:46:41.000 --> 01:46:45.840
doctrinal, emotional, philological, exegetical
and theological. That gives him, makes

1095
01:46:45.960 --> 01:46:51.359
him more attractive. Also in addition
to the quotes from parents about comments from

1096
01:46:51.520 --> 01:46:56.159
all the books of the Bible,
there are comments and this, this is

1097
01:46:56.239 --> 01:47:01.840
very interesting. Some are controversial,
others are very wise and others are that

1098
01:47:02.199 --> 01:47:08.119
you don' t just assimilate them
either not in the parts of the Churches

1099
01:47:08.239 --> 01:47:10.239
is a sighted field. We can
meet everything there, yeah, yeah,

1100
01:47:10.479 --> 01:47:12.880
yeah. We' re gonna find
everything between them, yeah, yeah.

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01:47:13.479 --> 01:47:17.640
Listen how good, because I thank
you very much and also your contribution to

1102
01:47:17.720 --> 01:47:24.319
this great work in the Bible of
patristic study, that we would continue to

1103
01:47:24.439 --> 01:47:27.119
talk about it and nothing when you
come to Spain. Again, I understand

1104
01:47:27.159 --> 01:47:30.079
you were here living for a few
years. Yes, I spent 15 years

1105
01:47:30.199 --> 01:47:33.800
in Spain, that' s in
my career, my master' s degree

1106
01:47:33.920 --> 01:47:39.159
and my doctorate and then I left
here, because that' s where I

1107
01:47:39.159 --> 01:47:40.920
came out, where I got work. So, so I had to or

1108
01:47:41.279 --> 01:47:45.319
we had to get out good.
When you come to Spain in Barcelona we

1109
01:47:45.520 --> 01:47:50.720
expect a good Catalan meal and a
pleasure. Thank you, Jesus, at

1110
01:47:50.760 --> 01:47:57.079
this time of the morning from Maryland, in the United States, and this

1111
01:47:57.159 --> 01:47:59.960
is telling us about the Bible as
a patristic study. These first six follow

1112
01:48:00.840 --> 01:48:08.239
the wisdom of ancient Christianity edited by
Valga the redundancy Clie, which is producing

1113
01:48:08.359 --> 01:48:14.479
works as interesting as this, for
example, as I send you an affectionate

1114
01:48:15.000 --> 01:48:18.000
and virtual embrace, but sincere.
Thank you so much for another one.

1115
01:48:18.119 --> 01:48:42.239
Likewise even always, jesus thank you, Chao, always goodbye the train of

1116
01:48:42.359 --> 01:48:58.560
life I have searched and you will
find me, I have lost and you

1117
01:48:58.720 --> 01:49:09.359
save me when I lack strength,
you raise me a new day is about

1118
01:49:11.079 --> 01:49:19.640
to start every manganna next to you
because your saw is edited and you don

1119
01:49:20.279 --> 01:49:31.680
' t tell me where it is
worth to follow oh keep string that of

1120
01:49:31.680 --> 01:49:48.479
delicacy. If I' ve searched
and you find me, I' ve

1121
01:49:48.560 --> 01:49:57.079
lost myself and you save me when
I lack strength, you lift me up.

1122
01:49:58.840 --> 01:50:06.520
Egg day is by your thoughts every
morning and to the laotrares my cor

1123
01:50:06.920 --> 01:50:16.800
that with my being rigory yen also
whither you go follow, oh to the

1124
01:50:17.159 --> 01:50:39.760
mampar door that see of the viece
inciere every morning I have jumped you look

1125
01:50:40.079 --> 01:50:55.640
the tiring you surrender oh my soul, says the trades look videos every morning

1126
01:50:56.039 --> 01:51:06.840
of jumping mine advances to you I
will deliver, O my soul, says

1127
01:51:08.800 --> 01:51:20.880
the tabes look, watch video every
morning next to you or work because your

1128
01:51:20.960 --> 01:51:29.039
mercy and do not tell me where
you are going, that you hurt or

1129
01:51:29.640 --> 01:51:40.840
mampar morda that is left tomorrow next
to you touch or that you my being

1130
01:51:41.079 --> 01:51:50.039
and fat who does not live where
you go to follow or when you trust

1131
01:51:50.600 --> 01:52:01.840
ropes that he saw mamía, remember
that you see them ma, remember what

1132
01:52:01.920 --> 01:52:16.560
we say or until he comes,
until today we invite you to the second

1133
01:52:16.680 --> 01:52:23.880
edition of this Interdenominational Congress directed to
all the Body of Christ in Spain and

1134
01:52:23.960 --> 01:52:29.760
Europe, that will take place from
twenty- s to twenty- eight April

1135
01:52:30.199 --> 01:52:38.520
in the Fira. The international speakers
Mariano sen Igual, Benjamín Núñez and Marcos

1136
01:52:38.680 --> 01:52:53.600
Brunet will be with us. For
more information, you can enter our wwwww

1137
01:52:53.800 --> 01:53:00.560
website until he comes. Point is
to write to the six about, six,

1138
01:53:00.239 --> 01:53:04.359
eight, eight, one, five, seven, one, six hundred,

1139
01:53:04.680 --> 01:53:11.119
sixteen, eight hundred eighty and one
five hundred seventy- one and consult

1140
01:53:11.199 --> 01:53:15.680
prices and registration modalities. Don'
t miss the opportunity to participate in this

1141
01:53:15.840 --> 01:53:21.800
great summons until he comes, until
he comes. All of it prunes your

1142
01:53:21.840 --> 01:53:45.279
home before your glory, berry bu
plotted watching and pruning eye to see the

1143
01:53:45.479 --> 01:53:51.000
train of life, an exciting journey
along the routes of the heart, an

1144
01:53:51.079 --> 01:54:26.920
unforgettable journey to train rhythm. Ladies
and gentlemen, we are in direct contact

1145
01:54:27.079 --> 01:54:30.920
with Dr Modesto Roca in his medical
office and we want to talk to him

1146
01:54:31.000 --> 01:54:36.199
today a little bit about the problems
and diseases of the digestive system. And

1147
01:54:38.000 --> 01:54:41.319
he' s going to tell us
a little bit about signs that indicate problems

1148
01:54:41.439 --> 01:54:47.119
in the digestive system this morning and
what are the most common pathologies and well,

1149
01:54:47.439 --> 01:54:53.760
at least have some guidelines to be
alert to all of this. Here

1150
01:54:53.840 --> 01:55:00.199
we go Let' s talk to
the rock otor, a rock doctor.

1151
01:55:00.199 --> 01:55:02.720
He' s wanted, my friend
Hi, my dear Julio. Well,

1152
01:55:02.800 --> 01:55:08.840
we' re talking about an issue
today that' s so central. Carlos

1153
01:55:08.920 --> 01:55:15.840
has spoken. Vital organs are the
heart, the brain, but the liver,

1154
01:55:15.239 --> 01:55:20.159
the kidneys. But of course,
the digestive system is the boiler,

1155
01:55:21.159 --> 01:55:26.319
not the boiler of Pedro Botero,
but yes, but yes, the human

1156
01:55:26.920 --> 01:55:30.319
boiler that pure meals and that,
well, at the moment there is some

1157
01:55:30.439 --> 01:55:38.000
failure, there are countless disorders,
there can be in the digestive system,

1158
01:55:38.079 --> 01:55:43.159
truth, yes, it is true. In fact, the digestive system is

1159
01:55:43.199 --> 01:55:48.000
going to say, to prepare through
a physical and chemical process, such as

1160
01:55:48.119 --> 01:55:54.119
chewing in the physical lake, the
return and then also, because everything that

1161
01:55:54.239 --> 01:55:59.479
has to do with gastric games with
chlorhydic acid that we have in the stomach,

1162
01:55:59.600 --> 01:56:04.520
that is, it will fragment food
in its minimal expressions, in amino

1163
01:56:04.600 --> 01:56:13.960
acids, proteins, in elements of
which are simple lucid and simple gauze through

1164
01:56:14.079 --> 01:56:19.600
a more complex process. And all
this is going to happen through the torrent,

1165
01:56:23.359 --> 01:56:26.119
say, circulatory to the liver.
The liver is going to act as

1166
01:56:26.199 --> 01:56:30.199
a filter there and a whole complex
process is going to begin so that the

1167
01:56:30.279 --> 01:56:36.880
cells get the elements they need,
their repair, their nuscription, so that

1168
01:56:38.000 --> 01:56:42.479
they can get that energy. On
the one hand, opiation with oxygen,

1169
01:56:42.520 --> 01:56:48.279
which is going to circulate also from
the lungs and transported by hemoglobin to the

1170
01:56:48.359 --> 01:56:54.039
cells and then those cells that are
going to have some debris, which are

1171
01:56:54.119 --> 01:56:58.920
going to lead to that same circulatory
torrent and the kidneys are going to be

1172
01:57:00.039 --> 01:57:04.079
the other outlet filter where they are
going to eliminate, because all those products

1173
01:57:04.239 --> 01:57:12.239
of spite, in part the cellular
spirits of cellular combustion are going to expel

1174
01:57:12.319 --> 01:57:17.399
us through the urine in the form
of urea and in part it can treat

1175
01:57:17.439 --> 01:57:21.319
the same lungs that we are going
to expel the carbon dioxide that flows from

1176
01:57:21.319 --> 01:57:26.359
the cells. That is to say, everything is a balance dear jurio so

1177
01:57:26.359 --> 01:57:29.640
extraordinary that, when I hear that
that was by chance and will have counted

1178
01:57:29.720 --> 01:57:34.000
in this distance, yes, yes, yes, extraordinarily complex truth, there

1179
01:57:34.239 --> 01:57:43.399
is a todiquese mind that orders in
article each of the details of the depth

1180
01:57:43.880 --> 01:57:48.960
that we cannot reach is true,
most certain Dr Roca, but we usually

1181
01:57:49.079 --> 01:57:55.239
do well digestion, because the process
of digestion is more or less in synthesis,

1182
01:57:55.840 --> 01:58:00.960
as you have explained, but accustomed
to respect digestion, that what is

1183
01:58:01.079 --> 01:58:11.159
reckless to not make good digestion.
The truth is that we commit many imprudences

1184
01:58:11.279 --> 01:58:15.720
and eat inappropriately, make excesses,
p or cadences faith This we see also

1185
01:58:17.079 --> 01:58:25.119
in society, not to respect a
regular user, not to combine with a

1186
01:58:25.319 --> 01:58:30.079
certain degree of activity, with which
that also is a metabolic problem that can

1187
01:58:30.239 --> 01:58:33.479
generate, fact, generate pathologies such
as hypertension, like diabetes, like the

1188
01:58:33.680 --> 01:58:41.520
islipian ones, and then, then, knowing, choosing what we should eat

1189
01:58:41.600 --> 01:58:45.399
and assuming that the pision has no
problem, since a balanced diet and if

1190
01:58:45.439 --> 01:58:49.880
it has a problem, an adequate
diet, because to its problems, its

1191
01:58:49.880 --> 01:58:54.960
diabeces, to its hypertension or to
the problem that the body, because it

1192
01:58:54.960 --> 01:59:00.319
has developed, because there is also
a process of aging and while it is

1193
01:59:00.439 --> 01:59:05.520
in this world, we are going
to grow old later no longer, but

1194
01:59:05.560 --> 01:59:09.079
here yes and the body, therefore, it will respond to it. I

1195
01:59:09.159 --> 01:59:14.159
always ask when I go to a
patient who has a problem of this kind

1196
01:59:14.359 --> 01:59:17.880
and who is laughing at the doctor, I always ask him if he has

1197
01:59:18.000 --> 01:59:21.960
a car and he tells me the
times that so, and I tell him

1198
01:59:23.039 --> 01:59:24.319
if he does the checks and changes
his faith and says yes. Yeah.

1199
01:59:24.479 --> 01:59:28.920
Of course, the conclusion is that
many take better care of their car is

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01:59:29.039 --> 01:59:32.600
their body, because their body has
no control, unfortunately, and they only

1201
01:59:32.680 --> 01:59:38.119
go to the doctor, Unfortunately,
many times, when the pathology has already

1202
01:59:38.800 --> 01:59:44.600
evolved and the doctors often little we
can make clear, of course, very

1203
01:59:44.600 --> 01:59:50.840
regrettable. Sure. It is a
perfect comparison of signs that indicate that we

1204
01:59:50.920 --> 01:59:55.279
have a problem in the digestive system. To some of them which could be

1205
01:59:55.880 --> 02:00:00.880
good. There' s a crowd. A person can start to have if

1206
02:00:00.920 --> 02:00:08.800
we start from the upper part,
because already problems of declusion or problems of

1207
02:00:08.880 --> 02:00:13.720
heartburn, or the person can increase
an action of the stomach and have,

1208
02:00:14.079 --> 02:00:18.079
because already a burp or having what
doctors call a dispe a Hisppsia would be

1209
02:00:18.159 --> 02:00:27.119
an unspecific disorder of digestion, where
the patient is not well, has heavy

1210
02:00:27.359 --> 02:00:32.079
digestions. Sometimes even if you miss
or feel your stomach, your intestine,

1211
02:00:32.760 --> 02:00:41.560
because you may have a certain degree
of discomfort and even pain. That would

1212
02:00:42.239 --> 02:00:47.840
be frequent symptoms and lottery that does
not always correspond the organic pathology to see

1213
02:00:47.960 --> 02:00:51.600
is not that there is always a
cancer, there is always a search,

1214
02:00:51.960 --> 02:00:55.520
there is always a problem of these. Sometimes this is associated with habits,

1215
02:00:55.800 --> 02:01:03.479
anxiety, and pictures of anxiety.
Many patients somatize through the stomach and also

1216
02:01:03.880 --> 02:01:12.279
at other times that inadequate intakes,
to inadequate diets. There are people who

1217
02:01:12.359 --> 02:01:15.279
give food and do not know it
and do not realize it. People who

1218
02:01:15.319 --> 02:01:19.920
intorate milk, people who into give
it true i, the egg is something

1219
02:01:20.119 --> 02:01:26.560
that I also see with relative frequency
and one has to analyze, explore,

1220
02:01:27.600 --> 02:01:33.279
study, take information from the patient' s habits and come to conclusions that

1221
02:01:33.399 --> 02:01:38.680
sometimes come to simply by interrogating the
patient, that these times we need complementary

1222
02:01:38.760 --> 02:01:44.359
tests, especially today, that we
have these extraordinarily reliable and magnificent means such

1223
02:01:44.399 --> 02:01:50.119
as the seats, the resonances,
the ultrasounds, etc, because making sure

1224
02:01:50.640 --> 02:01:59.159
that the patient does not have a
cancer, that that that would be one

1225
02:01:59.199 --> 02:02:02.199
they are bigger we are going to
say and that, unfortunately, because we

1226
02:02:02.279 --> 02:02:09.520
see it often, gastritis is one
of the things frequent in many people.

1227
02:02:09.600 --> 02:02:15.000
True, that could be the preamble
to a possible ulcer or irritation or something.

1228
02:02:15.279 --> 02:02:19.319
Right, yes, dyspepsia, which
is a term I already say nonspecific.

1229
02:02:20.800 --> 02:02:26.199
The patient may have gastric mucosal avoidance, astrisis, may have meteorism,

1230
02:02:26.640 --> 02:02:35.840
abdominal gas, Tulencia, burps,
etcetera. And then, the set of

1231
02:02:35.920 --> 02:02:40.720
these symptoms sometimes very very specific,
because you will see that most of the

1232
02:02:40.800 --> 02:02:45.640
time the cysts, do not present
as isolated symptom, but also of a

1233
02:02:45.720 --> 02:02:54.000
more complex package. But yes,
the vitation of the gatric mucosa is an

1234
02:02:54.119 --> 02:03:00.640
underlying cause of these distancings or disorders
of the nervous system as well, without

1235
02:03:00.640 --> 02:03:08.279
it becoming a crisis, which would
be an alteration of peristantism. There are

1236
02:03:08.359 --> 02:03:13.760
people who have anti- Iperistaltic movements, that is, inverted and then,

1237
02:03:13.840 --> 02:03:20.039
they have a tendency to rebugitation,
they have a tendency to volito, to

1238
02:03:20.119 --> 02:03:29.279
stomach eyebrows, to difficult laslications.
They are quite, quite complex pictures,

1239
02:03:30.640 --> 02:03:33.760
of course, among other things,
for different reasons to make it clear that

1240
02:03:33.840 --> 02:03:38.479
it can be a thing of a
more complex question than what I am saying

1241
02:03:38.479 --> 02:03:43.239
now. But one of the issues, in addition to the drugs that,

1242
02:03:44.880 --> 02:03:48.199
according to pathology, have to be
applied in one way or another, one

1243
02:03:48.279 --> 02:03:55.560
of the issues that cause many of
the diseases of the digestive system I deduce,

1244
02:03:56.600 --> 02:04:02.039
which are due to a bad diet, from ten of eating badly.

1245
02:04:02.239 --> 02:04:06.399
Right. Yeah, let' s
see, here' s not a trend.

1246
02:04:06.479 --> 02:04:14.000
There are many tendencies, some very
healthy and others, unfortunately, pathological

1247
02:04:15.159 --> 02:04:19.239
to see, including some that are
apparently healthy. In the end it turns

1248
02:04:19.399 --> 02:04:25.760
out that they are not like people
who, therefore, undergo a written diet

1249
02:04:25.880 --> 02:04:30.960
of vegetarian type and good in adults. The adult is very free because he

1250
02:04:30.039 --> 02:04:33.880
is an adult and can do whatever
he wants, even if it is to

1251
02:04:34.039 --> 02:04:39.000
play with his health. But it
is very regrettable and this is seen by

1252
02:04:39.079 --> 02:04:45.319
doctors when it is the child luido
by the adult and by taxes imposing the

1253
02:04:45.359 --> 02:04:48.399
rule on the adult, since the
child is subjected to this type of diet

1254
02:04:48.479 --> 02:04:54.640
for time and then the child will
have deficiencies, obvious deficiencies, deficiencies of

1255
02:04:54.640 --> 02:04:59.439
tabinas, cadences of certain elements that
are not found in the plant kingdom.

1256
02:05:00.039 --> 02:05:03.159
You have to resort to raigans,
eggs, dairy or fish or poultry meat,

1257
02:05:04.359 --> 02:05:09.760
because our body is going to need
this, so there are other kinds

1258
02:05:09.760 --> 02:05:17.840
of alterations. People who eat this
balancedly. For example, they eat many

1259
02:05:18.000 --> 02:05:26.560
foods, fried, many carbon yarns, scrambled potatoes, rites in oil and

1260
02:05:26.640 --> 02:05:30.760
sometimes not fried, but refried in
this oil. Let' s see if

1261
02:05:30.880 --> 02:05:36.880
one day we eat a fritanga,
a culture, potatoes for nothing is bad.

1262
02:05:38.439 --> 02:05:42.079
The body needs little of everything,
but if that becomes a daily habit

1263
02:05:42.159 --> 02:05:49.920
and repeatedly, that too is a
unbalanced diet. Another group that is barely

1264
02:05:50.039 --> 02:05:55.239
talked about, but which is tremendously
important, is the elderly. The seniors.

1265
02:05:55.960 --> 02:06:01.680
Many patients have deficiency problems in a
society like ours. Unfortunately, for

1266
02:06:01.840 --> 02:06:06.640
two reasons. One is because they
catch manias that some food does not suit

1267
02:06:06.800 --> 02:06:12.640
them and they withdraw it and in
the end they only eat boiled rice or

1268
02:06:12.640 --> 02:06:15.680
lost leg, in case we have
seen many times. And the other,

1269
02:06:15.760 --> 02:06:18.920
unfortunately, is because of the economic
problem, that it is terrible that a

1270
02:06:18.960 --> 02:06:26.880
society like ours, because we have
a volume of people with problems of basic

1271
02:06:27.000 --> 02:06:30.319
laughter and the ion I can'
t think of a more correct term,

1272
02:06:30.760 --> 02:06:36.840
that can' t access a healthier
or more balanced diet. Check it out.

1273
02:06:38.000 --> 02:06:43.800
There are a lot of possibilities or
making an excess of meat diet or

1274
02:06:44.039 --> 02:06:46.560
an excess of carbon hirate diet,
knowing you have to eat a little of

1275
02:06:46.640 --> 02:06:53.600
everything and know how to choose the
best foods, as one singer said,

1276
02:06:53.960 --> 02:07:00.920
the best apples I loved this amount. Of course because this miracle diet thing.

1277
02:07:01.239 --> 02:07:09.520
Now I remember since the diotic revolution, Dr. Jekins until the last

1278
02:07:09.520 --> 02:07:14.439
one, I don' t remember
the one that ate a kind of food

1279
02:07:15.199 --> 02:07:19.319
just between them meat and something else, and I don' t remember a

1280
02:07:19.319 --> 02:07:24.479
very popular name. Now I don' t remember there' s a lot

1281
02:07:24.560 --> 02:07:30.079
of we could do a lot of
programs talking about diets, from the troglorite

1282
02:07:30.199 --> 02:07:33.279
diet to the pomet diet to the
wonderful soup diet. There are a lot

1283
02:07:33.359 --> 02:07:39.479
of diets that well, that have
a certain logic, some of them,

1284
02:07:40.279 --> 02:07:47.159
others not, but I still consider
that there are some basic diets that are

1285
02:07:47.239 --> 02:07:54.359
not either the diet that has been
spread many times, like that you have

1286
02:07:54.520 --> 02:07:59.359
to have a great database of carbon
quickly absorbed like bread pasta why, because

1287
02:07:59.359 --> 02:08:03.119
that is very good for a person
who does physical activity. But I'

1288
02:08:03.199 --> 02:08:07.439
m not talking about walking and cleaning
the house or an office. I am

1289
02:08:07.439 --> 02:08:13.640
talking about a person who does an
important physical activity, a truck driver,

1290
02:08:15.640 --> 02:08:20.720
a transporter or a manual worker,
a mason, a person who does a

1291
02:08:20.800 --> 02:08:26.159
lot of calorie burning, obviously he
will need data on carbon or fast absorption,

1292
02:08:26.399 --> 02:08:33.279
bread, potatoes, rice, but
a person who makes a semi sedentary

1293
02:08:33.359 --> 02:08:37.560
life or in the elderly, who
makes a life, unfortunately many times will

1294
02:08:37.640 --> 02:08:43.279
totally increase or proficiencia eat these products
are put one hundred and twenty kilos.

1295
02:08:43.560 --> 02:08:50.680
So, these foods that carry fast- absorbing carbon lice, you have to

1296
02:08:50.800 --> 02:08:54.359
limit them and why we' re
going to replace them with carbon hydates,

1297
02:08:56.039 --> 02:09:00.199
slow- absorbing, so that the
boiler is going to keep working, but

1298
02:09:00.279 --> 02:09:03.239
without the problems of hyperinsulinemias and everything
we' re going to have, it

1299
02:09:03.279 --> 02:09:09.079
' s going to lead to diabetes. Nor would a troglorite diet 100%

1300
02:09:09.479 --> 02:09:13.479
not that it would be eating vegetables, raw, meat, raw, fish,

1301
02:09:13.840 --> 02:09:20.680
raw, almost raw, without just
carbon pyrates. No, so there

1302
02:09:20.119 --> 02:09:28.159
we are going to see a modified
diet based on the Mediterranean diet, perhaps

1303
02:09:28.279 --> 02:09:31.520
not exactly the Mediterranean diet, according
to what activities. Of course, the

1304
02:09:31.600 --> 02:09:37.199
Mediterranean diet was invented when men worked
in the countryside and women washed their anus

1305
02:09:37.279 --> 02:09:41.319
clothes and carried the water in there. Yeah, but that schedule thanks.

1306
02:09:41.800 --> 02:09:45.880
In our country, not all pains
or almost no one, so the diet

1307
02:09:46.039 --> 02:09:48.640
has to be adjusted to the reality
of the video twenty- one. But

1308
02:09:48.720 --> 02:09:54.760
that is sensible, yes, it
is advisable. I think especially for men.

1309
02:09:56.760 --> 02:10:01.119
I don' t know if so
much for women in a colonoscopic,

1310
02:10:03.399 --> 02:10:09.960
rectal endoscopic review of those parts that
have to do a little bit, with

1311
02:10:09.039 --> 02:10:16.880
the intestinal tract, with the stomach
and even with the rectal part. It

1312
02:10:16.039 --> 02:10:22.479
is necessary to leave to explore a
little how things are to see, as

1313
02:10:22.720 --> 02:10:26.800
long as doctors detect some sign of
risk. It is a priority and,

1314
02:10:28.159 --> 02:10:31.920
in fact, we do it every
week. We ask for this type of

1315
02:10:33.079 --> 02:10:37.640
test or fibrogastros, copies or colonists, copies or opaque eneas. Today we

1316
02:10:37.720 --> 02:10:46.880
have a lot of opportunities to detect
problems. If we detect a member of

1317
02:10:48.039 --> 02:10:52.600
a family who has a type of
genetic factor cancer, therefore, hereditary at

1318
02:10:52.680 --> 02:10:58.239
colon level we suggest how important it
is for those patients to become colonoscopic to

1319
02:10:58.319 --> 02:11:05.840
see not a chronostopy to everyone.
That would be a sambz a barbarity.

1320
02:11:05.359 --> 02:11:13.079
But those who have risk factors or
symptoms that make us suspect. Now there

1321
02:11:13.640 --> 02:11:18.000
is one test that is simple,
that is sold in pharmacies, that can

1322
02:11:18.039 --> 02:11:22.640
be done by everyone, that is
ridiculously expensive, that is to detect blood

1323
02:11:22.720 --> 02:11:28.079
hidden in phes is simply a small
bottle that goes with a kind of brush,

1324
02:11:28.000 --> 02:11:35.880
pricks the patient, covers the small
pot, shakes and there will be

1325
02:11:35.000 --> 02:11:41.000
a change of color depending on whether
or not there is human hemoglobin in those

1326
02:11:41.119 --> 02:11:48.479
stools, because also the complex difference
between human blood and the blood of animals

1327
02:11:48.560 --> 02:11:56.680
only reactive or human hemolobin. That
tells us that the digestive tract at some

1328
02:11:56.800 --> 02:12:01.000
point is losing some blood. It' s a simple test. We do

1329
02:12:01.079 --> 02:12:05.520
it on an outpatient basis. The
same patient can do it in pharmacy and

1330
02:12:05.640 --> 02:12:09.000
it comes out for a very modest
price. What does that tell us?

1331
02:12:09.359 --> 02:12:11.960
Well, the digestive tract, the
digestive tract, there are no leaks.

1332
02:12:13.159 --> 02:12:18.760
If there are no leaks, knowing
we could have cancer, but it hasn

1333
02:12:18.840 --> 02:12:22.880
' t evolved yet. And that, then, would give us, as

1334
02:12:24.000 --> 02:12:28.800
a certain guarantee. It is more
I to patients than I know that they

1335
02:12:28.920 --> 02:12:33.479
have that risk not to be every
year putting the tube in their anus that

1336
02:12:33.640 --> 02:12:39.000
is unpleasant, even if the specialists
do it at hospital level, consideration of

1337
02:12:39.000 --> 02:12:41.920
the patient. For how unpleasant the
test is, I tell you look.

1338
02:12:43.159 --> 02:12:48.239
We' re going to combine colonoscopy, we' re going to combine it

1339
02:12:48.359 --> 02:12:52.079
with occult blood defection. In phes, in such a way, the fucking

1340
02:12:52.119 --> 02:12:56.279
blood of need you will be seeing
her doing every six months if at some

1341
02:12:56.479 --> 02:13:01.399
point it gives you positive running,
we do the most complex test and we

1342
02:13:01.399 --> 02:13:07.760
even expand the test, but always
with this sense of July, because to

1343
02:13:09.319 --> 02:13:13.880
see you forty there are so many
millions of Spaniards we ruin even decino in

1344
02:13:13.880 --> 02:13:18.640
the test. Then yes, but
with wisdom the dalarmists. Not everyone who

1345
02:13:18.760 --> 02:13:24.439
has a dyspersia, you have to
do a colonoscopy, you have to select

1346
02:13:24.800 --> 02:13:28.920
and that' s right, when
we sense, we see the risk or

1347
02:13:28.920 --> 02:13:33.079
we get positive. The clean blood, of course, that was earned,

1348
02:13:33.319 --> 02:13:37.600
must be done. Blood can also
be for other reasons. For example,

1349
02:13:37.640 --> 02:13:43.000
I think not the diverticulums that are
that we practically have, I think everyone

1350
02:13:43.079 --> 02:13:50.079
in the intestinal tract, but diverticulosis
or some sweetness or something that may be

1351
02:13:50.159 --> 02:13:54.319
for other reasons also in the blood. True, not always blood, where

1352
02:13:54.439 --> 02:14:00.239
your digestive is cancer. God,
thank you. It is the fewest times

1353
02:14:00.279 --> 02:14:03.520
it is, because that nonsense and
I call it the marias, that good,

1354
02:14:05.680 --> 02:14:09.319
because you can ask for a niverticulosis, a niberticulitis, an avenite in

1355
02:14:09.399 --> 02:14:16.880
the anal tract or s sigmoid and
that is the velita or somewhere else,

1356
02:14:18.760 --> 02:14:24.600
the digestive tract, but whenever there
is blood. If we have the alarm,

1357
02:14:24.039 --> 02:14:28.520
no doubt what we do is already
directly the test. And there we

1358
02:14:28.640 --> 02:14:35.560
do not expect that we prefer to
do the test and that the test is

1359
02:14:35.640 --> 02:14:37.560
negative or that it helps us there. No, and we can sort of

1360
02:14:39.479 --> 02:14:43.640
find causes like what you were saying, a little ulcerite, a polyp,

1361
02:14:43.199 --> 02:14:48.600
a polyp that is inflamed and bleeding, any diverticulitis, an inflammation of the

1362
02:14:48.680 --> 02:14:54.000
colon wall. And that also gives
us the peace of mind that this patient,

1363
02:14:56.439 --> 02:14:58.119
what he has, is not serious. We' re gonna treat him

1364
02:14:58.239 --> 02:15:03.279
and we' re gonna keep an
eye on him. Dr Rock, moving

1365
02:15:03.359 --> 02:15:09.439
on, one last thought. So
I reminded you suddenly I was thinking of

1366
02:15:09.560 --> 02:15:16.680
faith, many people this of faith, in faith, faith in faith,

1367
02:15:16.960 --> 02:15:22.600
faith in superstitious, faith in God, but in a specific God, what

1368
02:15:22.720 --> 02:15:33.119
is faith and what exactly does faith
serve? Faith is a self- suggestion

1369
02:15:33.279 --> 02:15:37.640
or something that makes sense. Well, faith in fact, it' s

1370
02:15:37.680 --> 02:15:46.039
a gift, it' s a
gift that God gives us and this faith

1371
02:15:46.119 --> 02:15:54.520
one can place in different things,
objects, people, societies. Then let

1372
02:15:54.560 --> 02:16:03.319
us see that there are people who
have p or have in things that are

1373
02:16:03.720 --> 02:16:07.600
aberrant and, instead, there is
a good faith And good faith is in

1374
02:16:07.680 --> 02:16:13.199
God and what faith is. Well, faith you know it' s the

1375
02:16:16.199 --> 02:16:22.880
hope that we' re going to
get something, that something we haven'

1376
02:16:22.960 --> 02:16:24.760
t seen with our eyes yet,
but what we' re going to have.

1377
02:16:26.319 --> 02:16:31.760
Then we can go to the bank
and ask for a loan. Well,

1378
02:16:31.799 --> 02:16:35.040
if we' re solvents, then
they' re gonna give us the

1379
02:16:35.040 --> 02:16:39.719
credit. If we' re not
solvents, they' re just going to

1380
02:16:39.719 --> 02:16:41.639
say no. So that' s
not it. That' s more like

1381
02:16:41.639 --> 02:16:45.879
hope. I' m hoping that
the banker, the bank, this or

1382
02:16:45.879 --> 02:16:50.719
that, because I think I meet
some requirements of my own, I have

1383
02:16:50.799 --> 02:16:54.719
solvency, I have a job,
etcetera. But this is not the faith

1384
02:16:54.280 --> 02:16:58.079
of which the scripture speaks, the
fley of which the scripture speaks is faith

1385
02:16:58.760 --> 02:17:03.479
in a Creator God, and not
only in a Creator God, but also

1386
02:17:03.520 --> 02:17:09.440
in a God who not only created
the world, created let us say the

1387
02:17:09.440 --> 02:17:13.680
cosmos, but also the human being, but God created the human being.

1388
02:17:15.799 --> 02:17:18.440
Not for the purpose of his death. That wasn' t in God'

1389
02:17:18.520 --> 02:17:24.079
s plans. We studied in depth
from the Book of Genesis. You will

1390
02:17:24.200 --> 02:17:28.760
see that death is something contrary to
God' s will. It wasn'

1391
02:17:28.799 --> 02:17:33.120
t in God' s mind.
Even the mess of Psalms says that God

1392
02:17:33.239 --> 02:17:39.040
put eternity in their hearts. There
is a feeling of transcendence that we all

1393
02:17:39.120 --> 02:17:45.239
human beings have, it is also
set by God. Then faith must be

1394
02:17:45.360 --> 02:17:48.479
a faith in God, not a
faith in football, nor in money,

1395
02:17:48.680 --> 02:17:54.440
nor in politics, nor in personal
achievements. It is very good that one,

1396
02:17:54.959 --> 02:18:01.360
for one fights to have that personal, but this energy we must receive

1397
02:18:01.479 --> 02:18:03.520
directly from God. And what do
we expect from God? Sure, because

1398
02:18:03.559 --> 02:18:09.000
if we have geniuses, well,
we think there are. Well, if

1399
02:18:09.000 --> 02:18:13.159
we believe there is, we have
to live according to God’ s standard,

1400
02:18:15.000 --> 02:18:20.399
because his standards are the best standards. His law is the best law,

1401
02:18:20.559 --> 02:18:24.399
the only just law, the law
of God. The only one who

1402
02:18:24.559 --> 02:18:30.360
knows the Intringulis, the human being
is the creator. He knows what our

1403
02:18:30.440 --> 02:18:35.120
needs are. We used to talk
about diets and well, you know that

1404
02:18:35.200 --> 02:18:39.879
the Bible, along its pages,
speaks of four types of tithes. The

1405
02:18:41.079 --> 02:18:46.079
last, the last type of diet
is in the Apostle Paul' s first

1406
02:18:46.200 --> 02:18:50.639
letter to Timothy, in chapter four, in verse four and five it says

1407
02:18:50.760 --> 02:18:56.280
because everything that God believes is good
and nothing is to be discarded if it

1408
02:18:56.479 --> 02:19:01.719
is taken with thanksgiving, because by
the word of God and by prayer it

1409
02:19:01.840 --> 02:19:05.079
is sanctified, that is, all
those stories, those Chinese tales that you

1410
02:19:05.159 --> 02:19:11.920
cannot eat. I don' t
know what or how good it is to

1411
02:19:11.959 --> 02:19:16.879
see if that is a problem of
conscience, because obviously, it is better

1412
02:19:16.000 --> 02:19:22.920
not to eat it, but if
not giving thanks to God for prayer all

1413
02:19:22.040 --> 02:19:24.200
the sanctified and notice, we are
in the field of faith. We believe

1414
02:19:24.280 --> 02:19:28.399
in God, we obey God,
and God doesn' t know how to

1415
02:19:28.399 --> 02:19:33.040
go. God comes to pass to
us human beings and that God does for

1416
02:19:33.159 --> 02:19:37.079
us, God for us, is
a gift, It is not something that

1417
02:19:37.239 --> 02:19:43.719
we can gain because we are magnificent
and do works Pious is God' s

1418
02:19:43.719 --> 02:19:46.680
gift. It' s salvation.
And what is salvation. So, look,

1419
02:19:46.920 --> 02:19:50.719
go back to the beginning, go
back to the point where the relationship

1420
02:19:50.799 --> 02:19:54.680
between God and man was interrupted,
go back to the origins, re-

1421
02:19:56.479 --> 02:19:58.879
establish those bonds between God and his
creation, the human being. And this

1422
02:20:00.120 --> 02:20:03.479
is not something that' s going
to be interrupted again, but it'

1423
02:20:03.639 --> 02:20:09.360
s going to transcend for eternity.
For eternity, that is, eternally there

1424
02:20:09.600 --> 02:20:13.760
will be that relationship between God and
man. When I say man is a

1425
02:20:13.879 --> 02:20:18.479
generic word, I mean man and
woman. Of course, the human being

1426
02:20:20.360 --> 02:20:24.760
is going to re- establish.
Hence comes the word religion of religar,

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because it re- establishes the Lord
through faith in him and obedience through the

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02:20:28.760 --> 02:20:35.000
process of conversion in Christ Jesus,
by faith in his work, we restore

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02:20:35.120 --> 02:20:41.159
that relationship that we lost in Genesis
when we were expelled in Adam, from

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02:20:41.159 --> 02:20:46.040
the Garden of Eden and recovered in
Christ, which will again bring us to

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02:20:46.120 --> 02:20:52.399
new heavens to new earth, and
I am feeling that it will not be

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02:20:52.479 --> 02:20:58.319
long. That is how interesting,
because thank you very much, Doctor Roca,

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for this reflection also that is the
spiritual part of the human being that

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we also take into account it and
there is an urgency in the man and

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02:21:13.680 --> 02:21:18.600
woman of any time to have an
encounter with God before it is too late.

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True, thank you very much,
dear friend, Thank you for your

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02:21:24.000 --> 02:21:28.719
reflections, for your wisdom, for
your good advice. And we speak again

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02:21:28.760 --> 02:21:33.399
shortly I send you a very affectionate
hug and by the way thanks be given

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02:21:33.479 --> 02:21:37.840
to God, because we are his
work and he enables us each with the

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02:21:37.920 --> 02:21:41.840
ombres that he is, according to
his grace, he distributes, so it

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02:21:43.000 --> 02:21:46.760
is not my merit, it is
merit of the glory of God and affectionate.

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I greet a very strong hug for
you and also for our entire audience.

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02:21:50.200 --> 02:22:13.799
It' s even been for your
safety You use the belt. We

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02:22:13.840 --> 02:22:16.319
' ve replaced this announcement of nine
hundred and seventy- three because not wearing

1445
02:22:16.360 --> 02:22:20.120
the seatbelt looks like a thing of
the past. Let' s look at

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02:22:20.200 --> 02:22:28.879
the effects of a collision at 50
kilometers per hour cin belt three, but

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02:22:28.879 --> 02:22:31.040
it' s not today. One
in four dead on the road wasn'

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02:22:31.200 --> 02:22:35.159
t wearing a seatbelt Put your seatbelt
on. Directorate- General for Traffic,

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02:22:35.760 --> 02:22:43.559
Ministry of the Interior, Government of
Spain. You travel on the train of

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02:22:43.639 --> 02:23:01.840
life. Ladies and gentlemen, we
have reached the term this traveling train as

1451
02:23:01.079 --> 02:23:07.959
life itself, unstoppable the train of
life. Well, we' ve had

1452
02:23:09.280 --> 02:23:15.000
this very diverse conversation from the other
look of the day. Well, one

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02:23:15.159 --> 02:23:20.680
part coincides with what they say,
but some, some fringes are uniquely from

1454
02:23:20.120 --> 02:23:26.559
our worldview, particularly from this platform
of the train of life with Daniel Ozkan,

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02:23:28.200 --> 02:23:33.120
director of Digital Protestant. Then,
of course, we have had this

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02:23:33.200 --> 02:23:37.520
interview with Jesus Zamora, from Mérighan
in the United States, one of the

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02:23:37.600 --> 02:23:45.360
editors and reviewers, and also who
have continued with the patristic contributions of this

1458
02:23:46.200 --> 02:23:54.799
Bible commented on patristics and notes of
the Ancient Church, really a genius that

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02:23:54.879 --> 02:24:00.399
should not be missed we had our
friend Alfonso, but an impondelible the now

1460
02:24:00.799 --> 02:24:03.959
has prevented him from participating, but
it is nothing serious, thank God.

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02:24:03.479 --> 02:24:09.200
But, therefore, we have had
this rich conversation there with Jesus Zamora,

1462
02:24:11.239 --> 02:24:16.959
one of the authors and of this
contribution of the Church' s parents,

1463
02:24:18.120 --> 02:24:26.120
a magnificent conversation and finally to Dr
Roca talking to us about intestinal problems,

1464
02:24:26.280 --> 02:24:31.520
digestive problems and what inner world,
ours, the organic one. Hey,

1465
02:24:31.680 --> 02:24:35.280
sometimes we have to take care of
ourselves so much. But this machinery,

1466
02:24:37.159 --> 02:24:45.200
though imperfect, definitely defecable because of
the sin that has taken our being has

1467
02:24:45.319 --> 02:24:52.399
disturbed our soul, our body and
our spirit. The psychosoma, pneuma,

1468
02:24:52.559 --> 02:24:56.360
psychosomatic, as my friend Juan José
Churrorin, who is already in heaven,

1469
02:24:56.600 --> 02:25:03.040
would say. But we really need
to take care of our bodies. But

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02:25:03.159 --> 02:25:11.319
human machinery is perfect. Who designed
it, who chance the demiurge of Venus,

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02:25:13.120 --> 02:25:18.680
not Jesus, who was together with
the Father and with the Holy Spirit,

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02:25:18.040 --> 02:25:26.200
generating all wonderful things. We talked
about these things, because it was

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02:25:26.200 --> 02:25:28.559
great. I remind you that you
can write to me for any matter of

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02:25:28.559 --> 02:25:33.159
your interest. Julio Pérez arroba Onda
Paz without h is not the wave of

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02:25:33.200 --> 02:25:39.520
the bike. Julio Pérez arroba Onda
Paz FM. With frequency modulated Julio Pérez

1476
02:25:39.559 --> 02:25:46.479
Arroba Onda Paz FM and I was
commented on any proposed comment. If you

1477
02:25:46.520 --> 02:25:52.360
want to criticize him, so will
Carlos, but have some mercy and some

1478
02:25:52.440 --> 02:26:01.200
detail in question. I want to
remind you that we are organizing from FIBE

1479
02:26:01.280 --> 02:26:05.719
the Bethany Churches of Spain and FIDE
the Churches of God. We are the

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02:26:05.799 --> 02:26:11.520
promoters of this great congress event and
now, because we are already launching all

1481
02:26:11.520 --> 02:26:15.520
the artillery. After very much respect
and celebration of the great event that took

1482
02:26:15.600 --> 02:26:20.440
place at Glotte in Cordoba last week, it was fantastic to celebrate very much

1483
02:26:20.520 --> 02:26:24.000
the blessing that it has been for
God' s people, for women.

1484
02:26:24.840 --> 02:26:28.280
And now, then, we are
already focusing on this event, already with

1485
02:26:28.319 --> 02:26:31.159
all the artillery. More and more. We know if there are about 1,

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02:26:31.399 --> 02:26:35.840
500 people registered, but we want
them to enjoy it much more.

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02:26:35.799 --> 02:26:41.200
With Marcos Brunet, author of many
of the songs we sing in our churches,

1488
02:26:41.799 --> 02:26:45.680
also Lucas Consley, who comes with
Jan and the whole team takes your

1489
02:26:45.799 --> 02:26:52.959
place. They will have random interventions, but a concert on Saturday night must

1490
02:26:52.600 --> 02:27:00.360
also be during the day in let' s say in the pavilion and enjoy

1491
02:27:00.399 --> 02:27:05.879
the sermons of Marcos, Mariano Sene
Igual, Marcos Brunet and also Benjamin Núñez

1492
02:27:07.040 --> 02:27:13.000
or this boy. You have to
listen to it is something impressive and eitiel

1493
02:27:13.079 --> 02:27:18.000
stream that will also have a good
intervention and roll strip, as they are

1494
02:27:18.120 --> 02:27:22.879
four formidable word parachins to register.
And they have to do it now because

1495
02:27:22.959 --> 02:27:28.840
it' s going very fast.
If you want to come to the pastors,

1496
02:27:28.479 --> 02:27:35.159
elderly pastors of the church deacons leadership
of the very first line, you

1497
02:27:35.280 --> 02:27:37.520
can come to the previous day,
which is the previous day, the Thursday

1498
02:27:37.680 --> 02:27:41.200
afternoon, the day before, which
is the 25th of April, and Friday

1499
02:27:41.280 --> 02:27:46.360
morning, which will be two plenary
sessions for pastors, also with them all,

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02:27:46.600 --> 02:27:52.159
And this will be in the same
fairground, where the pavilion is upstairs,

1501
02:27:52.280 --> 02:27:58.399
on the first floor of the top
there is a magnificent theater, a

1502
02:27:58.680 --> 02:28:05.600
formidable amphitheatre for six hundred people.
We are already more than 400 leaders who

1503
02:28:05.680 --> 02:28:13.280
are registered today. Then you can
come and enjoy a precongress special. Pastors,

1504
02:28:13.399 --> 02:28:18.239
pastors, families, pastoralists, elders, elders, deacons, deacons,

1505
02:28:18.680 --> 02:28:24.120
leaders of the vanguard of youth pastoral
leadership, whatever the pastors decide, but

1506
02:28:24.200 --> 02:28:31.600
who are leaders who have responsibility and
he too can enjoy it. You can

1507
02:28:31.680 --> 02:28:35.360
see all these variants on the website
if you want to come to the entire

1508
02:28:37.000 --> 02:28:39.719
Congress from Friday to Sunday, after
lunch, if you want to just attend

1509
02:28:39.840 --> 02:28:46.719
going and coming, if you are
close, of course if you want to

1510
02:28:46.799 --> 02:28:52.120
go to the precongress. Some just
come to the Precongress in a few little

1511
02:28:52.239 --> 02:28:56.479
shepherds all on the website three vs
double point until he comes point? Is

1512
02:28:58.440 --> 02:29:03.120
that three sbles dot until he comes
dot? It is there that you can

1513
02:29:03.239 --> 02:29:07.760
see the different options, the prices
four star hotels in Saul, which is

1514
02:29:07.840 --> 02:29:15.159
ten real minutes from the fairground and
to enjoy it to the fullest, to

1515
02:29:15.319 --> 02:29:18.879
be a time of glory of joy, of an awakening of the bride who

1516
02:29:20.399 --> 02:29:24.479
is the Church of Jesus, of
which we are part, waiting for our

1517
02:29:24.479 --> 02:29:28.920
blessed called Jesus, who does not
delay to come also in the meantime,

1518
02:29:30.159 --> 02:29:35.479
to know that you have to take
into account words of faith, of motivation,

1519
02:29:35.799 --> 02:29:41.879
of vision and safe outpourings of the
Holy Spirit to be in that atmosphere

1520
02:29:41.040 --> 02:29:46.120
of the Fira de Reus, with
so many people of God and so many

1521
02:29:46.719 --> 02:29:48.000
people who come from all parts shepherds
of Sergio Zubiagabe from the Canary Islands.

1522
02:29:48.600 --> 02:29:52.120
José view from the south. Well
I' ve already told you and throws

1523
02:29:52.159 --> 02:29:56.639
roll that is incorporated, that comes
as good as for participant, but we

1524
02:29:56.719 --> 02:30:01.159
' ve given you a plenary because
he pulls back from these that knows them

1525
02:30:01.200 --> 02:30:05.600
very well, because he needs to
receive. And then, Enrique Monten many

1526
02:30:05.719 --> 02:30:11.360
more pastors, friends from all over
and churches coming from small groups others,

1527
02:30:13.319 --> 02:30:16.639
particularly from here, encourage your church
to come and enjoy this Congress from 26

1528
02:30:16.719 --> 02:30:22.879
to 28 April at the end of
April, there in the line of Reus

1529
02:30:22.079 --> 02:30:28.959
and for any direct information. Until
he comes dot is three double bs.

1530
02:30:30.479 --> 02:30:35.159
Period Until he comes point is nothing
more and nothing less. He has spoken

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02:30:35.280 --> 02:30:58.360
to them with great affection, as
always Julio Pérez, a good friend Chao

1532
02:30:58.440 --> 02:31:05.920
the evangelical churches a place of peace
and friendship. You can freely attend the

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02:31:05.000 --> 02:31:11.040
nearest evangelical church in your neighborhood or
your population. You' ll be very welcome.

