WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.759 --> 00:00:10.080 Welcome to Open Minds Radio with Alejandro Roja. Open Minds Radio is a UFO 2 00:00:10.400 --> 00:00:15.880 news authority presenting evidence and the latest news regarding the UFO phenomenon. Here's your 3 00:00:15.960 --> 00:00:27.120 host, Alejandro Roja, Alejandroojas. That is I and this is Open Minds 4 00:00:27.239 --> 00:00:33.079 Radio and we are very happy to have you with us today. We have 5 00:00:33.159 --> 00:00:38.039 a great I'm was really excited. I was so I was able to get 6 00:00:38.119 --> 00:00:42.719 today's guest so quickly to sign up and to get on the show, and 7 00:00:42.719 --> 00:00:46.320 that is David Paris. I read about him a few weeks ago because he 8 00:00:46.359 --> 00:00:51.399 did a conference at the University of Nebraska in Omaha. I was kind of 9 00:00:51.439 --> 00:00:55.280 a small little affair that he did with his colleague, doctor Jack Kasher, 10 00:00:55.840 --> 00:01:00.479 who is a physicist at UNO. That's what they call the Universe of Nebraska 11 00:01:00.520 --> 00:01:04.560 and Omaha will call it UNO from here on out for your reference. But 12 00:01:06.400 --> 00:01:10.200 you know, these are a couple of professors at the school, and there 13 00:01:10.280 --> 00:01:15.120 probably are not too many universities out there, if any other universities out there, 14 00:01:15.799 --> 00:01:21.920 that have a couple of professors that are so into the UFO subject and 15 00:01:22.000 --> 00:01:26.640 paranormal overall that they have little conferences. How cool is that? So that 16 00:01:26.799 --> 00:01:30.319 was really exciting to see that got a hold of David Parris. It turns 17 00:01:30.319 --> 00:01:34.719 out he is an adjunct professor. He teaches at several schools. He teaches 18 00:01:34.760 --> 00:01:40.879 on astronomy, astrology, geology, all of these ologies. He doesn't have 19 00:01:40.920 --> 00:01:45.000 a class on upology, but he loves UFOs. But they do have a 20 00:01:45.120 --> 00:01:49.239 radio show, a student radio show on paranormal and UFOs, and he has 21 00:01:49.239 --> 00:01:55.680 a radio show that on astronomy. They do all this paranormal investigation. He 22 00:01:55.799 --> 00:02:01.439 has his own theory about UFOs and the propos and believes that some of these 23 00:02:01.480 --> 00:02:07.159 Bermuda triangle stories where they've played to have said they've kind of flown into a 24 00:02:07.319 --> 00:02:13.000 vortex and then showing up miles away from where they were supposed to be, 25 00:02:14.199 --> 00:02:23.520 could lend some vital evidence as to the nature of the technologies that UFOs are 26 00:02:23.599 --> 00:02:29.719 using. Very interesting, very high level scientific stuff that he gets into, 27 00:02:30.199 --> 00:02:35.759 which honestly goes a little bit over my head here and there. Maybe I 28 00:02:35.759 --> 00:02:38.479 should have the Georgio Tukulos hair that goes a little higher so I can catch 29 00:02:38.520 --> 00:02:44.199 those physics scenes that don't go over my head. But so he's a great, 30 00:02:44.319 --> 00:02:46.560 great guy, and I'm really happy to have him on the show today. 31 00:02:46.759 --> 00:02:51.840 We'll be talking to him later about all of the topics that I mentioned 32 00:02:51.879 --> 00:02:55.599 earlier. So this is going to be a lot of fun people. And 33 00:02:55.680 --> 00:02:59.599 here again, this is someone he's been on coast to coast. But you 34 00:02:59.639 --> 00:03:01.680 know, there's a lot of these great people out there who haven't done a 35 00:03:01.680 --> 00:03:07.319 whole lot of interviews and stuff, but they just have this amazing information and 36 00:03:07.360 --> 00:03:13.800 they're really cool, incredible people. We love cool incredible people, and we 37 00:03:13.840 --> 00:03:19.039 got another one today, so we'll have him later on in the show, 38 00:03:19.240 --> 00:03:22.840 and we're gonna give him a little more time than normal. So we're going 39 00:03:22.919 --> 00:03:29.960 to get straight into one of everybody's favorite parts of the show, and that 40 00:03:30.319 --> 00:03:38.439 is the news from our UFO news correspondent, Jason McClellan. Hello, Jason, 41 00:03:39.240 --> 00:03:44.560 And sometimes I also fall in the cool incredible category, right, Oh 42 00:03:44.599 --> 00:03:47.800 for sure? All right, that's given to check. So cool, so 43 00:03:49.000 --> 00:03:52.439 credible. Appreciate it. Jason McClellan. Well, greetings everyone, this is 44 00:03:52.479 --> 00:03:57.000 your Open Minds News Brief for Monday, April ninth, twenty twelve. Start 45 00:03:57.039 --> 00:04:02.360 up with some UFO sidings today. A flying saucer was recently photographed emerging from 46 00:04:02.360 --> 00:04:08.439 the smog in Beijing. The photographer reportedly took the photo of this UFO from 47 00:04:08.439 --> 00:04:12.439 an overpass with a cell phone camera, and the witness claims to have been 48 00:04:12.479 --> 00:04:16.680 focused on the traffic below, so the flying saucer wasn't discovered until the witness 49 00:04:16.839 --> 00:04:23.000 reviewed the photo on his phone. This photo was published by website io nine. 50 00:04:23.519 --> 00:04:27.079 They republished it from another site, but they were unable to locate the 51 00:04:27.079 --> 00:04:31.399 witness's statements anywhere other than the Canadian And for those of you who don't know 52 00:04:31.480 --> 00:04:39.480 the Canadians as online newspaper that likes to advertise itself as being an alternative news 53 00:04:39.480 --> 00:04:43.920 source, and they really accept submissions from anybody and they publish anything. So 54 00:04:44.439 --> 00:04:47.639 their information is less than credible. So it's up to you to decide if 55 00:04:47.639 --> 00:04:50.920 you want to believe that or not. But yeah, interesting photo. I 56 00:04:50.920 --> 00:04:57.560 mean, this UFO in this photo is like your old fashioned flying saucer kind 57 00:04:57.560 --> 00:05:00.319 of coming out of this smog. But yeah, it's so hard say it 58 00:05:00.360 --> 00:05:05.120 was such little information. But if that is real and this thing was able 59 00:05:05.160 --> 00:05:13.519 to survive this dent pollution over Beijing, that is some advanced technology. That 60 00:05:13.639 --> 00:05:17.319 is for sure. Good ventilation, yes, good ventilation. Well, I 61 00:05:17.360 --> 00:05:23.160 don't know if well, I'm pretty sure you've noticed this, Alejandro, there 62 00:05:23.240 --> 00:05:28.240 seems too. In the past couple weeks been a lot of video taken from 63 00:05:28.279 --> 00:05:35.199 airplanes of UFO out the airplane windows. There was video of UFO recorded by 64 00:05:35.199 --> 00:05:42.120 an airplane passenger on a flight that was over Canberra, Australia on April fourth, 65 00:05:42.839 --> 00:05:47.199 and the video shows a small white object and you can't really see much 66 00:05:47.319 --> 00:05:50.720 detail. It's kind of far away, and it moves very quickly. It 67 00:05:50.920 --> 00:05:57.720 zooms past the airplane, flying at a lower altitude than the airplane itself. 68 00:05:58.360 --> 00:06:01.959 You see the video, then you see this things just go who under sort 69 00:06:02.000 --> 00:06:05.279 of below where the airplane is flying, no detail at all. Even if 70 00:06:05.279 --> 00:06:12.399 you slow it down and go frame by frame with this this video so impossible 71 00:06:12.439 --> 00:06:15.399 to tell anything with that one either, you know, going at an incredible 72 00:06:15.439 --> 00:06:21.639 rate of speed. Some people have also pointed out that this there could be 73 00:06:21.680 --> 00:06:28.519 an indication that this video in particular could be a hoax because at the very 74 00:06:28.600 --> 00:06:32.040 beginning of the video, if you look at the far left of the screen 75 00:06:32.680 --> 00:06:38.560 where this object, you know from the direction this object comes it. At 76 00:06:38.560 --> 00:06:42.360 the very beginning of the video, you already see the object there just for 77 00:06:42.439 --> 00:06:46.560 the first second of the video, the object is there and as the plane 78 00:06:46.600 --> 00:06:49.079 goes, you know, it falls off the screen and then seems by, 79 00:06:49.199 --> 00:06:53.759 So it's possible, I guess that that thing was there, but it kind 80 00:06:53.800 --> 00:06:57.879 of goes with the plane too, like but not moving. So it could 81 00:06:57.879 --> 00:07:02.040 be an indication that it's a glitch from some animation done to the video. 82 00:07:02.560 --> 00:07:06.879 But you know, that's that's undetermined. Could be a hint though. But 83 00:07:06.959 --> 00:07:10.720 that's just one of many that have happened in the past couple of weeks. 84 00:07:10.720 --> 00:07:18.079 It was even one today from I think South Korea, South Korea. So 85 00:07:18.199 --> 00:07:20.040 I don't know what it is. I mean, I think, you know, 86 00:07:20.079 --> 00:07:23.439 these things have been in the news a lot, and that that one 87 00:07:23.519 --> 00:07:26.959 was even covered by the Daily Mail, I think. Yeah. The hard 88 00:07:27.000 --> 00:07:30.839 part is we had the one a few weeks ago that kind of started this 89 00:07:31.000 --> 00:07:35.079 craze. And this was a gentleman Amsterdam, right, that was Amsterdam, 90 00:07:35.480 --> 00:07:45.000 and supposedly this guy flew from Amsterdam to his home in Dallas. In Dallas, 91 00:07:45.040 --> 00:07:49.079 took some video of his peppers and his tree, and then the next 92 00:07:49.199 --> 00:07:53.120 day or I think it was even the same day, posted that picture in 93 00:07:53.279 --> 00:07:57.240 his video. I mean, all in the same day of flying back from 94 00:07:57.279 --> 00:08:01.000 Amsterdam, so that one kind of looks a little suspect. So I don't 95 00:08:01.040 --> 00:08:05.120 know it all started from this. And sometimes you know, especially in the 96 00:08:05.160 --> 00:08:09.160 news, it's like that there are or with trends like this. You know, 97 00:08:09.680 --> 00:08:11.959 there's a video that gets popular and then lots of people come and fake 98 00:08:13.040 --> 00:08:18.759 stuff. But yeah, I don't know, the Australian one looks kind of 99 00:08:18.800 --> 00:08:22.879 cool. I mean, it looks kind of interesting. So yeah, it's 100 00:08:22.959 --> 00:08:26.560 really hard to say. You certainly have more people. You know, everybody 101 00:08:26.560 --> 00:08:31.879 has a cell phone now, almost have cameras, and you know, I 102 00:08:31.920 --> 00:08:35.279 think there are a fair number of people who do look out the window for 103 00:08:35.399 --> 00:08:37.639 things. I know, I certainly do every time I'm on an airplane, 104 00:08:37.679 --> 00:08:41.600 I'm all, hmm'd be cool to see something out there. But you know, 105 00:08:41.639 --> 00:08:46.000 I certainly don't have my camera just shooting out my plane window hoping something 106 00:08:46.039 --> 00:08:48.720 will fly in front of it. That's the other odd thing about these videos 107 00:08:48.720 --> 00:08:52.960 that they happen to just be shooting the nothingness out their window and then something 108 00:08:52.960 --> 00:08:56.519 happens to fly in front of it. I mean, I guess I can 109 00:08:56.559 --> 00:08:58.799 see that some people want to record the sky because it is cool flying above 110 00:08:58.799 --> 00:09:03.039 the clouds and everything, and it does look awesome, So you know, 111 00:09:03.399 --> 00:09:07.399 that doesn't necessarily mean that something is not genuine. But I don't do that, 112 00:09:07.480 --> 00:09:11.600 but I'm sure there are people who do, and so they you know, 113 00:09:11.639 --> 00:09:13.279 there's always that chance that they could catch something. Yeah, And the 114 00:09:13.279 --> 00:09:16.480 hard part is that a lot of these have not gottene or none of these 115 00:09:18.320 --> 00:09:20.919 for the most I don't think any of them come from reliable sources as far 116 00:09:20.960 --> 00:09:26.919 as reporting or anything either. I'm not sure where the one the original source 117 00:09:28.559 --> 00:09:33.000 today was the one that was in the Daily Mail. Yeah, and daily 118 00:09:33.000 --> 00:09:35.120 Mail, as we know, is not that great of us. I even 119 00:09:35.159 --> 00:09:39.519 think their original source might have been YouTube as well, where a lot of 120 00:09:39.559 --> 00:09:43.799 them get this initial information and they even fight that is well, the video 121 00:09:43.840 --> 00:09:50.320 on YouTube shows in the video information and then they'll say and more times than 122 00:09:50.360 --> 00:09:56.240 not, that YouTube channel that it's on is some UFO citing channel. So 123 00:09:56.320 --> 00:10:01.759 who knows where they're getting their information from. Either. What is great from 124 00:10:01.799 --> 00:10:05.120 these better credible news sources is when they talk to the witness and they do 125 00:10:05.279 --> 00:10:11.000 some sort of investigation, and at least with a bigger news source, they 126 00:10:11.720 --> 00:10:15.279 they have to do that sort of thing. Before posting a story. Even 127 00:10:15.639 --> 00:10:18.559 you know, our good buddy Least Spiegeler does a lot more research than most 128 00:10:18.559 --> 00:10:22.919 of these places that just kind of pull something off a YouTube and say here's 129 00:10:22.919 --> 00:10:28.279 what YouTube says and decide for yourself. Yeah, because they have the money, 130 00:10:28.320 --> 00:10:31.559 that's what's frusturing. They can at least try to get some analysis done, 131 00:10:31.639 --> 00:10:35.200 but they never do, unfortunately, and getting that firsthand witness testimony counts 132 00:10:35.200 --> 00:10:39.120 for a lot. Yeah, you know, when you're just getting off some 133 00:10:39.480 --> 00:10:41.879 random YouTube channel, Yeah, witness said this, and you've got no other 134 00:10:43.080 --> 00:10:46.720 source for that testimony. Yeah, it's difficult. Well, I've got another 135 00:10:46.919 --> 00:10:50.279 UFO sighting here, and this is well, this isn't really a sighting, 136 00:10:50.399 --> 00:10:56.320 but it's a possible UFO crash. An Argentinian farmer recently filed a complaint with 137 00:10:56.440 --> 00:11:01.120 local authorities. He alleges that a UFO landed in his cornfield, leaving behind 138 00:11:01.159 --> 00:11:05.960 a six foot wide path of crushed corn plants that extends for nearly two thousand 139 00:11:05.000 --> 00:11:09.559 feet. There are also witnesses who claim they saw quote a ship with strange 140 00:11:09.639 --> 00:11:15.200 lights and colors flying over the area end quote. But unfortunately, and this 141 00:11:15.279 --> 00:11:20.080 sucks for the farmer, none of these witnesses have officially testified on behalf of 142 00:11:20.120 --> 00:11:22.440 the farmer, so they say they saw it, but they won't take the 143 00:11:22.480 --> 00:11:26.759 time to go down to city hall or whatever for this guy's like case and 144 00:11:26.960 --> 00:11:31.639 say, hey, I know what they're afraid of. I don't know either, 145 00:11:31.759 --> 00:11:35.000 but the officials say that because they're not officially going on the record, 146 00:11:35.200 --> 00:11:39.200 it's made it for a difficult case. So this poor guy is out his 147 00:11:41.399 --> 00:11:46.320 corn and he can't get any help because people aren't What an interesting story though, 148 00:11:46.320 --> 00:11:50.159 because I mean, it can't be easy to crush all that corner in 149 00:11:50.240 --> 00:11:52.320 a six foot you know. It's a very interesting case. And they've even 150 00:11:52.360 --> 00:11:58.320 gone out and investigated and found no tire tracks. There's no other, you 151 00:11:58.399 --> 00:12:05.000 know, possible reason for it. They said that sometimes similar things will happen 152 00:12:05.039 --> 00:12:09.320 and people will steal people's crops, but there was no crop theft, no 153 00:12:09.559 --> 00:12:13.799 tire tracks, crush, just this long sort of pathway where something crashed into 154 00:12:13.879 --> 00:12:18.840 it. So that's very strange. It'd be cool if more people come forward 155 00:12:18.840 --> 00:12:22.679 because apparently multiple people say they saw some sort of craft with multi colored lights 156 00:12:22.799 --> 00:12:24.679 when Wednesday story, I don't think I actually saw it. It was just 157 00:12:24.759 --> 00:12:30.759 reported today I believe it happened a week ago. Okay, Yeah, So 158 00:12:30.879 --> 00:12:35.320 hopefully more people will come forward and we'll get some more information. Yeah, 159 00:12:35.320 --> 00:12:37.159 because it sounds like a good case and they're actually investigating it. Yeah. 160 00:12:37.240 --> 00:12:43.639 Cool. Well. Various discoveries by NASA and other organizations during the past few 161 00:12:43.679 --> 00:12:46.440 years have generated considerable interest within the mainstream media and the general public in the 162 00:12:46.440 --> 00:12:50.759 search for extraterrestrial life. NASA's Kepler Space Telescope has been on a planning hunting 163 00:12:50.799 --> 00:12:54.120 mission since two thousand and nine, searching for Earth like planets. The mission 164 00:12:54.159 --> 00:12:58.399 has already confirmed the discovery of sixty one planets and found more than two thousand 165 00:12:58.440 --> 00:13:03.320 planetary candidates, and recent data from the Europeans so they're in observatory, their 166 00:13:03.399 --> 00:13:09.200 harps, their heighth Accuracy Radio Blossily Planet Searcher planet hunting Telescope, as we 167 00:13:09.279 --> 00:13:11.720 discussed last week, suggests there are tens of billions of Earth like planets in 168 00:13:11.799 --> 00:13:16.720 our galaxy alone, many thoughts to have the correct conditions to support life, 169 00:13:16.159 --> 00:13:22.600 and these recent discoveries have excited scientists and are fueling additional efforts to search for 170 00:13:22.679 --> 00:13:28.799 life elsewhere in the universe. The Canadian Astrobiology Network known as CAN Centered at 171 00:13:28.799 --> 00:13:33.919 the University of Western Ontario, announced last week a partnership with NASA. The 172 00:13:33.000 --> 00:13:37.399 press release from CANS stated, quote, a number of extraterrestrial targets, including 173 00:13:37.480 --> 00:13:41.200 Mars and the Moons, Europa and Titan, have been identified by NASA as 174 00:13:41.200 --> 00:13:46.360 having the potential to host life or to provide valuable insight for researchers and scientists 175 00:13:46.519 --> 00:13:50.600 into the conditions that may have been present on Earth when life started end quote. 176 00:13:52.320 --> 00:13:56.720 As an affiliate within the NASA Astrobiology Network, CAN hopes to quote strengthen 177 00:13:56.840 --> 00:14:01.080 existing ties, facilitate the establishment of new collaboration and enhanced training opportunities for both 178 00:14:01.159 --> 00:14:07.879 Canadian and American researchers and students. And more exciting though to me and probably 179 00:14:07.919 --> 00:14:13.360 U Alejandro, last week was the announcement that the Kepler mission we talked about 180 00:14:13.360 --> 00:14:20.000 a lot on this show will continue at least through twenty sixteen. It was 181 00:14:20.039 --> 00:14:24.320 originally scheduled to conclude later this year, but NASA announced that funding for Kepler 182 00:14:24.480 --> 00:14:30.799 is being extended. At space dot Com explains, NASA's prolific Kepler space observatory, 183 00:14:31.039 --> 00:14:33.759 which has found signs of thousands of alien planets, will keep hunting strange 184 00:14:33.840 --> 00:14:39.320 new worlds for at least four more years. That is awesome news. Go 185 00:14:39.559 --> 00:14:43.919 Kepler, hooray Kepler. But they did. I think there are four or 186 00:14:45.320 --> 00:14:50.799 even more perhaps programs that they recently extended. These are programs that were scheduled 187 00:14:50.840 --> 00:14:56.919 to be scrapped the funding cut, but they've been so successful that they've decided 188 00:14:56.960 --> 00:15:01.120 to continue them because there's so much data still being collect Did buy these programs 189 00:15:01.399 --> 00:15:07.039 Kepler specifically? Yeah, Yeah, it's exciting, so exciting, all right, 190 00:15:07.240 --> 00:15:11.440 And let's see The search for extraterstal life is a major component to space 191 00:15:11.519 --> 00:15:18.440 exploration, but some scientists are specifically searching for our relatives. Space dot Com 192 00:15:18.559 --> 00:15:24.639 reports that a team of researchers is searching for quote siblings of the Sun Star 193 00:15:24.759 --> 00:15:28.840 is born from the same parent star cluster because they may have been seeded with 194 00:15:28.000 --> 00:15:33.000 life from Earth. So the idea known as pants bermia, and we've mentioned 195 00:15:33.039 --> 00:15:37.039 that on the show before, isn't a new idea, and it's actually an 196 00:15:37.080 --> 00:15:41.720 idea. Some scientists think that's how life on Earth may have began from pants 197 00:15:41.799 --> 00:15:46.159 bermis, right, seeds from other things spreading to Earth. The process of 198 00:15:46.200 --> 00:15:52.919 pants burma is explained to space dot Com by astronomer Mari Weltnin of the University 199 00:15:52.080 --> 00:15:58.080 of Turku and Finland. These states the idea is, if a plant, 200 00:15:58.639 --> 00:16:00.679 if a planet has life, and if you hit it with an asteroid, 201 00:16:00.720 --> 00:16:04.360 it will create debris, some of which will escape into space. And if 202 00:16:04.399 --> 00:16:08.080 the debris is big enough, like one meter across, it can shield life 203 00:16:08.519 --> 00:16:14.000 inside from radiation and that life can survive inside form millions of years until that 204 00:16:14.080 --> 00:16:17.919 debris lands somewhere. If it happens to land on a planet with suitable conditions, 205 00:16:18.039 --> 00:16:22.279 life can start there. Daltonan and his team theorized that if Earth was 206 00:16:22.320 --> 00:16:26.440 bombarded by comets and asteroids long ago, life bearing debris could have transferred to 207 00:16:26.519 --> 00:16:30.799 other planets when other stars were much closer to our own. And it's based 208 00:16:30.840 --> 00:16:33.679 dot com explants quote that means somewhere out there in the galaxy might be your 209 00:16:33.720 --> 00:16:38.559 lung lost cousin. Unfortunately, they don't really mean like if a piece of 210 00:16:38.639 --> 00:16:42.519 Earth breaks off and you know, you and your family get a free trip 211 00:16:42.600 --> 00:16:48.480 to that a reticuli, you'd probably die, but yeah, but the bacteria 212 00:16:48.600 --> 00:16:55.000 inside of your belly and body would probably live on and it would make it. 213 00:16:55.320 --> 00:16:59.440 And that's what we go forward pants burm me. It's an interesting theory 214 00:17:00.799 --> 00:17:02.799 to a lot of scientists. It makes sense. Oh yeah, I was 215 00:17:02.799 --> 00:17:03.720 wondering where you're going with that too, because I was going to say, 216 00:17:03.720 --> 00:17:07.279 if they're looking for my relatives, they're in Globeville in Denver, not too 217 00:17:07.359 --> 00:17:11.559 hard to find. Well, this is just some scientists, it's not all 218 00:17:11.640 --> 00:17:15.000 and you know there are some far out scientists. Yeah, it's a great 219 00:17:15.079 --> 00:17:18.599 theory, and a lot of people feel and there happened arguments that, of 220 00:17:18.640 --> 00:17:22.880 course that's where life came from here, which makes sense because that's what we 221 00:17:22.000 --> 00:17:30.079 see here. Lots of life made it to like Hawaii, which is the 222 00:17:30.160 --> 00:17:34.319 volcano that came up and then coconuts and things floated over there and sprung life 223 00:17:34.799 --> 00:17:37.440 a lot. How to let me squeeze in one more story before I'm done 224 00:17:37.480 --> 00:17:44.480 here. An extra trustrial life could be hiding in recently discovered lava tubes on 225 00:17:44.640 --> 00:17:49.799 Mars. Photos taken by the European Space Agencies Mars Express spacecraft reveals rows of 226 00:17:49.920 --> 00:17:56.039 quote pit chambers or pit chains they're called lining the sides of volcanoes in the 227 00:17:56.079 --> 00:18:02.759 red planet's Tharsis region. These pit chains were likely caused by ancient volcanic activity, 228 00:18:03.039 --> 00:18:07.680 and the EESA explains quote, Lava streaming from volcano volcanoes solidifies on the 229 00:18:07.720 --> 00:18:11.440 surface, leaving a molten tube of lava running below. Once volcanic activity ceases, 230 00:18:11.599 --> 00:18:17.839 the tubes empty, leaving behind a subterranean cavity. Similar lava tubes were 231 00:18:17.839 --> 00:18:22.640 discovered last year on our very own Moon by NASA's Lunar Reconnaissance Order. And 232 00:18:23.000 --> 00:18:26.079 these pitch chambers could have also formed due to strains in the planet's crust, 233 00:18:26.480 --> 00:18:30.839 or even as a result of groundwater leading to the collapse of surface rocks. 234 00:18:32.680 --> 00:18:37.759 So scientists believes tubes like these could provide a safe environment for life. Jason 235 00:18:37.839 --> 00:18:41.599 Major of University explains, quote, even though the surface of Mars can receive 236 00:18:41.599 --> 00:18:45.079 two hundred and fifty times the radiation levels found on Earth, the layers of 237 00:18:45.160 --> 00:18:48.880 soil and rocks surrounding the tubes can provide adequate protection for life, whether it 238 00:18:49.000 --> 00:18:56.000 be ancient Martian microbes or future explorers from Earth. And I think that's really 239 00:18:56.079 --> 00:19:00.640 where our astronauts are going to go with the Moon in Mars, you know. 240 00:19:00.799 --> 00:19:06.000 And in terms of colonizing and building and building these colonies is Subterraneans and 241 00:19:06.119 --> 00:19:14.119 they might find subterranean caverns full of life and trees and animals and creatures. 242 00:19:14.200 --> 00:19:18.680 Wouldn't that be I think the underground worlds there are probably pretty substantial, and 243 00:19:18.119 --> 00:19:21.160 you know, I think there's a lot of water down there. I mean, 244 00:19:21.240 --> 00:19:26.240 that's what they're determining with both the moon and tropical like journey to the 245 00:19:26.279 --> 00:19:30.359 center of the Earth. Yeah, exactly, paradise fascinating you bet all right, 246 00:19:30.400 --> 00:19:30.799 guys, Well, that is it for the news for today. I 247 00:19:30.799 --> 00:19:33.720 remember you can check out all these stories and so many more at open minds 248 00:19:33.720 --> 00:19:37.799 dot tv, your source for UFO related news. I'm Jason McClellan, your 249 00:19:37.839 --> 00:19:41.640 Open Minds News correspondent, and you've just been briefed. That's you, Eleandro. 250 00:19:41.920 --> 00:19:47.000 Thank you, Jason. Always a fascinating look into the news of the 251 00:19:47.079 --> 00:19:49.000 week. I want to catch you up real quick before we get to our 252 00:19:49.039 --> 00:19:52.960 interview on a couple of things that our good buddies have been up to. 253 00:19:52.759 --> 00:19:57.720 Leslie Kine had an interesting post from Facebook that one of the guys from East 254 00:19:57.720 --> 00:20:04.359 Skeptic, George Michael, actually wrote a positive review about her book on UFOs 255 00:20:06.759 --> 00:20:11.400 Generals other important people on the record. I can't remember all the people that 256 00:20:11.559 --> 00:20:15.839 they talked about but government officials and stuff talking about UFOs, and so there's 257 00:20:15.880 --> 00:20:21.319 a spark to debate. So Robert Shafer, this other skeptic out there is 258 00:20:21.319 --> 00:20:25.279 real upset and the skeptics are debating her books. So that's kind of exciting. 259 00:20:25.720 --> 00:20:29.000 Also, Lee Spiegel, we talked about this story last week in Las 260 00:20:29.119 --> 00:20:33.920 Vegas where people believe they filmed some UFOs but it might be birds or something 261 00:20:33.960 --> 00:20:38.440 caught in the light of the lux or. Lee Spiegel was actually there and 262 00:20:38.519 --> 00:20:44.160 he got his own pictures and video. So if you go to Huffington Posts 263 00:20:44.279 --> 00:20:48.519 or if you look at my UFO Daily News tweets, you'll see his story 264 00:20:48.599 --> 00:20:52.359 on that. So some interesting stuff that our friends are up to. One 265 00:20:52.400 --> 00:20:59.160 of our new friends is David Paris from the University of Nebraska. Let's go 266 00:20:59.279 --> 00:21:03.960 ahead and get I am on the line. I am very happy to have 267 00:21:04.000 --> 00:21:11.000 a professor at the University of Nebraska and Omaha, David Paris. And you 268 00:21:11.279 --> 00:21:15.400 have been in studying UFOs for a long time. Oh yeah, ever since 269 00:21:15.480 --> 00:21:19.279 I was sixteen. Oh really, So what was it that originally got you 270 00:21:19.400 --> 00:21:26.000 into all of this? Well, actually a sighting at sixteen years old, 271 00:21:26.119 --> 00:21:32.559 I had a sighting in August of nineteen sixty nine, and with a number 272 00:21:32.599 --> 00:21:37.319 of other people, we were getting ready to go to a swim class up 273 00:21:37.400 --> 00:21:41.640 to Milford, New York. This actually took place at Goodyear Lake in New 274 00:21:41.720 --> 00:21:48.200 York State and the Catskill Mountains. It's probably about like twenty miles south of 275 00:21:48.279 --> 00:21:55.119 Cooperstown Baseball Hall of Fame. And on a brilliant morning, no clouds in 276 00:21:55.200 --> 00:22:02.720 this sky and very nice, you know, very cold temperatures. We saw 277 00:22:02.799 --> 00:22:07.599 this craft come over the mountain about one hundred feet above and it was about 278 00:22:07.640 --> 00:22:11.279 five hundred feet off the ground, around one thousand feet down from us, 279 00:22:11.400 --> 00:22:18.400 down range of US, and there was a silver discus shaped object about sixty 280 00:22:18.440 --> 00:22:22.720 feet in diameter, about a twelve foot perth. Perfect flight dynamics, I 281 00:22:22.799 --> 00:22:26.440 mean, just this thing was just solid and was flying about twenty miles an 282 00:22:26.480 --> 00:22:32.359 hour. And so you have several seconds to see this thing. And then 283 00:22:32.440 --> 00:22:36.720 as it came over to our position to bank about twenty degrees and you could 284 00:22:36.759 --> 00:22:40.519 see the top of it. But there were no appendages, no greenhouse, 285 00:22:40.599 --> 00:22:44.599 no glass, no smoke, no nothing. You know, it was all 286 00:22:44.920 --> 00:22:51.720 very quiet. It was only one slight noticeable sound, was like air buffing 287 00:22:51.799 --> 00:22:56.640 off the surface. But I didn't realize how that actually occurred until I was 288 00:22:56.839 --> 00:23:00.279 taking glider lessons. And it's the same kind of sound as you hear air 289 00:23:00.400 --> 00:23:04.039 coming over the surface of the wings of the craft on the fuselage, and 290 00:23:04.839 --> 00:23:08.720 so very very similar like sound, but very very subtle, you know. 291 00:23:11.200 --> 00:23:15.880 But as it lighted up after a pasted our position, it just just went 292 00:23:15.960 --> 00:23:21.960 out and increased its velocity to you know, thousands of miles an hour, 293 00:23:22.000 --> 00:23:26.599 and it just went and disappeared. Ever since that time, I've been fascinated 294 00:23:26.680 --> 00:23:32.799 by what made that thing why, and I really kind of did. It's 295 00:23:32.920 --> 00:23:37.720 actually changed my life in the fact that I was heavy participant in sports and 296 00:23:37.799 --> 00:23:45.440 wrestling and football, and I just quit everything and went into science, math 297 00:23:45.519 --> 00:23:52.240 and engineering and all my other you know, degree pursuits of you know, 298 00:23:53.319 --> 00:23:56.880 been honing my skills. Essentially is to try to figure out how this thing 299 00:23:57.000 --> 00:24:03.119 actually propulsion sys and and how it flew. And I've been just absolutely absorbed 300 00:24:03.160 --> 00:24:07.039 with this all my life. So I've gathered tremendous amounts of information. And 301 00:24:08.039 --> 00:24:12.799 I guess one of my hobbies or researches that I do, and I guess 302 00:24:12.880 --> 00:24:18.559 I've been doing radio shows and television programs on this is the space war that 303 00:24:18.680 --> 00:24:22.720 seems to be the big My focus right now is I believe that we have 304 00:24:23.319 --> 00:24:30.880 definite proof that space work can occur from a natural phenomenon, and I'm trying 305 00:24:30.960 --> 00:24:37.559 to demonstrate how we can exercise that phenomena and try to artificially induce it. 306 00:24:38.839 --> 00:24:44.160 Oh, it's been a fascinating journey. Yeah, one of the things I 307 00:24:44.240 --> 00:24:48.200 definitely want to get into that. But I didn't tackle myself all of the 308 00:24:48.279 --> 00:24:52.960 things that you do because you do a lot. You're a move on section 309 00:24:52.160 --> 00:24:57.079 director. It looks like I don't know if you still do adjunct work at 310 00:24:57.160 --> 00:25:02.240 all of these other schools, but that several other schools out there, so 311 00:25:02.319 --> 00:25:07.039 you're in many fields, physics, meteorology. Maybe if you could tell us 312 00:25:07.079 --> 00:25:11.319 some of what you do, give us as much as you can reaping of 313 00:25:11.599 --> 00:25:15.960 your bio. You're doing a lot of stuff. Well, I guess my 314 00:25:15.079 --> 00:25:19.200 big problem is everything fascinates me. There's not too many things that don't. 315 00:25:19.400 --> 00:25:25.119 And so as a result, you know, I've developed in homeless skills and 316 00:25:25.960 --> 00:25:33.960 astronomy and physics and math and geography and geology. I teach ten different subjects 317 00:25:33.279 --> 00:25:38.400 at college level. And right now, I teach at four different colleges here 318 00:25:38.599 --> 00:25:45.359 locally, and I do online development courses for distant education, and I teach 319 00:25:45.400 --> 00:25:48.759 face to face classes. And it's a kind of a jungle juggling act to 320 00:25:49.000 --> 00:25:56.240 you know, get everything to align in the schedule that makes sense. And 321 00:25:56.480 --> 00:26:02.799 I guess during the year I teach about it varies depending upon if the class 322 00:26:02.960 --> 00:26:07.519 bills or you know, gets canceled out. But I teach somewhere between sixty 323 00:26:07.599 --> 00:26:11.920 eight to seventy five semester hours a year. Wow. So definitely a busy 324 00:26:11.960 --> 00:26:15.400 guy. I was happy when I saw everything you do, you know, 325 00:26:15.519 --> 00:26:18.359 and I emailed you. I thought, this is a busy guy. I 326 00:26:18.720 --> 00:26:22.160 hope I can catch him when he's free. So I'm very fortunate and glad 327 00:26:22.200 --> 00:26:27.240 you were able to have some time to do this. You also then I 328 00:26:27.400 --> 00:26:32.519 was wondering a little bit more about your Omaha UFO study group. Is that 329 00:26:33.079 --> 00:26:37.119 directly associated with mouf on or is it just is it something that you and 330 00:26:37.240 --> 00:26:42.440 some students have put together. Well, actually it's a combination of all these 331 00:26:42.559 --> 00:26:48.000 things. And what's unique about the clubs at the University of Nebraska or Omaha 332 00:26:48.880 --> 00:26:56.440 is that they really encourage clubs to combine community related groups to their club, 333 00:26:57.200 --> 00:27:04.599 so we call them community alliance group. And what's beautiful about the UFO Study 334 00:27:04.680 --> 00:27:10.759 Group is that we have as an alliance group the Omaha UFO Study Group and 335 00:27:10.920 --> 00:27:18.920 I'll also move On. So those two major groups always participating in the club 336 00:27:19.000 --> 00:27:26.039 meetings. Everybody is welcome, and then they have their specific club meetings for 337 00:27:26.279 --> 00:27:30.400 move On held at the same location that we have for the club meetings as 338 00:27:30.440 --> 00:27:36.440 well, so they indirectly get the benefit of utilizing the facility, the Internet, 339 00:27:36.599 --> 00:27:40.000 all the computers, big screen projectors and all this type of things. 340 00:27:40.079 --> 00:27:44.920 So it works out as a very beneficial for all the groups that participate. 341 00:27:45.079 --> 00:27:52.000 And it's the same thing for the UNO Parentormal Society. We have over nine 342 00:27:52.559 --> 00:27:59.000 community alliance groups that do ghost cutting and investigative work in that and all of 343 00:27:59.079 --> 00:28:06.240 these groups have come together and shared all kinds of information about equipment cases. 344 00:28:07.279 --> 00:28:11.880 We have our own case studies that we do onto the campus itself in collecting 345 00:28:12.039 --> 00:28:17.480 data and analyzing it. And so one of our major goals is to try 346 00:28:17.519 --> 00:28:22.039 to figure out on the paranormal side is to what actually is involved in the 347 00:28:22.079 --> 00:28:26.880 physics of the e VPS. We've we've built a lot of specialized equipment from 348 00:28:26.920 --> 00:28:33.119 scratch to analyze this stuff and to try to try to put some kind of 349 00:28:33.200 --> 00:28:37.720 quantitative tag on this, you know, how does this thing really work? 350 00:28:37.160 --> 00:28:41.359 In on the UFO side, there's a lot of commonality between the two groups 351 00:28:41.400 --> 00:28:45.799 and the amount of equipment and the types of equipment that we use. So 352 00:28:45.039 --> 00:28:53.400 we've developed a laptop, portable laptop that you can attach a variety of a 353 00:28:53.559 --> 00:28:59.359 suite of sensors to it, and we have built an interface board, a 354 00:28:59.519 --> 00:29:03.680 USB board to the laptop and the fact that you can tie all these pieces 355 00:29:03.720 --> 00:29:08.079 of equipment to it is has kind of revolutionized the ability of the clubs to 356 00:29:08.160 --> 00:29:15.920 do things and to go out and to study certain situations. And we've also 357 00:29:17.039 --> 00:29:23.960 developed some image processing techniques, and these image processing techniques again across the board 358 00:29:25.039 --> 00:29:32.119 on both clubs, which is very interesting because our whole goal has been to 359 00:29:32.920 --> 00:29:40.319 prove whether imagery that we're looking at is a real picture or hasn't been tampered 360 00:29:40.400 --> 00:29:45.640 photoshopped. And I can't tell you how many hundreds of these photos that we 361 00:29:45.759 --> 00:29:49.400 get on a week to week basis have been photoshopped. And it's very disappointing. 362 00:29:49.920 --> 00:29:53.839 It wastes a lot of our time and trying to analyze and figure out. 363 00:29:53.880 --> 00:29:57.039 You know, we're all searching for the smoking gun, as we say, 364 00:29:57.119 --> 00:30:00.839 right, and that's been the big goal for people forever, is to 365 00:30:02.000 --> 00:30:08.720 provide the concrete evidence that they're reputable. And in this case we spend hours 366 00:30:08.799 --> 00:30:15.519 and hours and hours every month trying to uncover which is true which is not 367 00:30:17.200 --> 00:30:22.680 so. One of our club members, a student at Uno, took an 368 00:30:22.759 --> 00:30:30.839 independent study for me and did his study on fractal analysis, and we in 369 00:30:30.960 --> 00:30:36.920 our initial discussions, we put this towards radar data to try to enhance the 370 00:30:37.039 --> 00:30:41.599 radar data to get a finer mesh field. Because the real interesting thing about 371 00:30:41.640 --> 00:30:48.279 practice, which is very helpful, is that in nature you have general patterns 372 00:30:48.599 --> 00:30:55.480 throughout nature, and when you go down into the into a finer mesh trying 373 00:30:55.559 --> 00:31:00.279 to zoom up, for example, onto an image or whatever, there is 374 00:31:00.319 --> 00:31:04.039 a repeatable pattern and that's what the fractals were all about, and it actually 375 00:31:04.160 --> 00:31:12.519 generates these very unique data sets that you can visibly view and see lines and 376 00:31:12.759 --> 00:31:18.759 patterns into the zoomed up areas. And what's interesting if an image it hasn't 377 00:31:18.759 --> 00:31:23.359 been tampered with, like saying aircraft against the clouds. It all kind of 378 00:31:23.519 --> 00:31:30.599 blends together. And what's interesting about a tampered image is that they come from 379 00:31:30.680 --> 00:31:34.200 two different sources. So when you do fractal analysis on a faked image, 380 00:31:36.480 --> 00:31:41.119 it just pops right out of the paper. You can see where the lines 381 00:31:41.160 --> 00:31:47.680 have been cut and been literally spliced into the background image. So we've developed 382 00:31:47.720 --> 00:31:52.480 this new technique. We've run about right at this point, about thirty five 383 00:31:52.599 --> 00:32:00.200 forty different test images through and we were able to actually uncover images that have 384 00:32:00.319 --> 00:32:07.400 been photoshopped. Which of the primary hoaxing techniques that are out there double exposures 385 00:32:07.759 --> 00:32:15.680 and on PHOTOO moulsion is a double exposure or photographic overlay, and we can 386 00:32:15.759 --> 00:32:22.000 actually see in the fractal mesh whether it's been tampered with or not. In 387 00:32:22.119 --> 00:32:25.960 that regard, we're planning on writing an article to send to MOVE on our 388 00:32:27.039 --> 00:32:30.079 discovery because I don't know of anybody that's really doing this right now, No, 389 00:32:30.400 --> 00:32:37.680 not really. I know that movefunds guy oh Man d' antonio. He 390 00:32:37.119 --> 00:32:43.000 has some different things that he uses, but I wouldn't understand them at the 391 00:32:43.119 --> 00:32:46.039 level you would, So I don't know if they're similar at all, but 392 00:32:46.400 --> 00:32:51.559 it sounds very unique and it's great. In fact, there's some couple of 393 00:32:51.640 --> 00:32:53.960 cases I'm working on and i'd love to have you take a quick look at 394 00:32:54.039 --> 00:33:00.240 at least the pictures. Well, I've been asked by a number of groups 395 00:33:00.319 --> 00:33:07.319 to look at different images. I'm a meteorologist as well, and so I 396 00:33:07.440 --> 00:33:14.160 get a lot of these uh put data lenticular lenticular cloud types and a lot 397 00:33:14.200 --> 00:33:16.599 of people claiming that, you know, these are UFOs, Well they're not. 398 00:33:16.799 --> 00:33:21.880 They're cloud formations. And the way they're the way they're presented on a 399 00:33:22.000 --> 00:33:25.359 photo. You know, for like a tenth of the second, you may 400 00:33:25.440 --> 00:33:28.480 think, well, you know, maybe there's something and then you look at 401 00:33:28.519 --> 00:33:34.640 it again it's a cloud. But many people can't you know, discern that 402 00:33:34.759 --> 00:33:37.839 from the photo, and so it just takes somebody else. They have some 403 00:33:37.039 --> 00:33:42.359 expertise in that area. And I've been and I've been trained as a photo 404 00:33:42.480 --> 00:33:47.960 interpreter as a photogramatrist, so I know all the older techniques and the aspect 405 00:33:49.119 --> 00:33:52.920 ratios and have to determine heights and shadows and casts and all this type of 406 00:33:52.000 --> 00:33:59.400 things. But this new fractal technique and it's all done from a free program 407 00:33:59.720 --> 00:34:02.200 called frack Lab two point zero. You can download this off the internet. 408 00:34:02.799 --> 00:34:07.880 But there's a procedural process that we use. You know, there's like fifty 409 00:34:07.920 --> 00:34:14.039 different algorithms that you could put into this thing. And what Matthew has come 410 00:34:14.159 --> 00:34:24.760 up with as and his process is a series of signal smoothing techniques and then 411 00:34:24.880 --> 00:34:32.000 some transition techniques and then finally the final fractal processing that actually will display all 412 00:34:32.079 --> 00:34:37.519 these unique characteristics of an untampered versus the tampered. And like I said, 413 00:34:37.760 --> 00:34:43.480 this stuff just pops right out of the paper. And with my background and 414 00:34:43.719 --> 00:34:49.639 as funnel interpreting, you know, it's extremely easy to see this. And 415 00:34:49.760 --> 00:34:55.039 at our symposium that we had just two weeks ago, we actually did one 416 00:34:55.719 --> 00:35:01.159 We actually did four images live at the posium. I had no idea what 417 00:35:01.320 --> 00:35:05.519 they were. And that's that's what we had planned do. We gave a 418 00:35:05.559 --> 00:35:08.039 presentation on how do you do this? How do you use it? And 419 00:35:08.119 --> 00:35:15.440 then during the symposium that put up four different images that were provided to him. 420 00:35:15.079 --> 00:35:20.119 I didn't know what they were, processed them. It takes like less 421 00:35:20.159 --> 00:35:23.440 than a minute and then I looked at them and within you know, about 422 00:35:23.519 --> 00:35:29.039 thirty seconds or so just examining on the big screen projected, which is not 423 00:35:29.199 --> 00:35:31.000 the greatest detail of the world, you know, in the world to do 424 00:35:31.119 --> 00:35:36.760 this, but anyway, I was able to determine these were faith this one 425 00:35:36.920 --> 00:35:43.760 was real, and everybody was simply amazed at the speed to which we could 426 00:35:43.760 --> 00:35:47.119 accomplish this. And in the past it would do to just be hours and 427 00:35:47.239 --> 00:35:52.480 hours of arguments. Well, you know, there's a little bit of lighting 428 00:35:52.559 --> 00:35:57.679 over here, and there's a cast over there. It looks real. And 429 00:35:57.760 --> 00:36:01.079 then when you get really down into the finer details of this that you come 430 00:36:01.159 --> 00:36:05.679 to the conclusion that this isn't real, this is fake. But this makes 431 00:36:05.719 --> 00:36:08.119 it so much more apparent. It just eliminates a lot of the arguments. 432 00:36:08.159 --> 00:36:15.039 Now, does this displace the fact that an untampered image is actually real? 433 00:36:15.480 --> 00:36:17.920 Right? What it does is says that the image hasn't been tampered with, 434 00:36:19.599 --> 00:36:23.320 But that doesn't mean that what you're seeing in the image can't be disputed as 435 00:36:23.360 --> 00:36:28.679 far as like somebody threw a hook a hub tap up and it took a 436 00:36:28.800 --> 00:36:32.119 photo of the whole background because the fractals can't tell, you know, if 437 00:36:32.159 --> 00:36:36.960 it's a fake craft or not. I mean, but you can determine whether 438 00:36:37.119 --> 00:36:43.360 images are have not been tampered versus than hoaxed. Cool. Well, that's 439 00:36:43.559 --> 00:36:49.880 very excited, exciting. I'm excited to see this right up in the move 440 00:36:49.960 --> 00:36:52.159 On Journal. Hopefully you guys get that up and I would love to lobby 441 00:36:52.760 --> 00:37:00.440 to have you present this at the move On Symposium during their workshow ops for 442 00:37:00.679 --> 00:37:08.599 investigators, Well, you know, depending upon I teach a lot and I'm 443 00:37:08.679 --> 00:37:14.960 online, I'm in you know, face to face, and I usually don't 444 00:37:15.079 --> 00:37:19.280 have lots of time right to do things. It's all, it's all a 445 00:37:19.400 --> 00:37:22.400 process of scheduling and if they were even interested, you know what I mean. 446 00:37:22.880 --> 00:37:25.599 That's that's really what it kind of comes down to. I hate to 447 00:37:25.639 --> 00:37:29.679 say, like we're in our own little world at the at U n O. 448 00:37:29.920 --> 00:37:32.440 But you know, we've been doing a lot of good work then and 449 00:37:32.639 --> 00:37:36.159 it's uh, you know, three years in the making. You know. 450 00:37:36.280 --> 00:37:40.519 We have three radio programs that we present every week. We call it Science 451 00:37:40.639 --> 00:37:47.599 Radio International. It's sounds cool. Yeah, there isn't an organization like that, 452 00:37:47.760 --> 00:37:52.920 but it's the thing that we came up with and under under the guys 453 00:37:52.960 --> 00:37:57.239 in Science Radio International. We have the quantum State which I do, which 454 00:37:57.320 --> 00:38:02.719 is a physics uh relative program. We talk about late breaking news in science 455 00:38:04.639 --> 00:38:07.760 from Science Daily, NASA and a number of other sources that I get in 456 00:38:07.880 --> 00:38:13.960 across my desk almost every day through emails. And then we have Spooky Action 457 00:38:14.079 --> 00:38:21.360 at a Distance, which is again this program is more related to UFO phenomena, 458 00:38:22.559 --> 00:38:25.480 abductions and things like that. And then we have another radio program called 459 00:38:25.639 --> 00:38:30.599 On the Fringe, which is the Paranormal Society's radio program. And then you 460 00:38:30.679 --> 00:38:35.480 talk about some of the latest case studies that are being done, things that 461 00:38:35.559 --> 00:38:38.440 are being done around the world, equipment that's being used, and things like 462 00:38:38.559 --> 00:38:44.559 this. And I talk on some of these programs on occasion, you know, 463 00:38:44.639 --> 00:38:47.199 if they asked the requests that I go on and talk about something that 464 00:38:47.719 --> 00:38:53.119 I've built or whatever. But mostly I pretty much tend to the quantum state 465 00:38:53.239 --> 00:38:59.679 myself. And that gets broadcast over the MAP Radio network. It goes out 466 00:38:59.719 --> 00:39:04.480 on a D two radio from kV and O Studio, and then it also 467 00:39:04.559 --> 00:39:12.559 goes across the Internet and we have people who listen around the world. I 468 00:39:12.599 --> 00:39:15.400 don't I wouldn't say that we would have probably an audience such as what you 469 00:39:15.599 --> 00:39:22.760 have, because we really don't advertise in that respect. It kind of goes 470 00:39:22.840 --> 00:39:27.639 word of mouth. And yeah, I did college radio actually, and we 471 00:39:27.760 --> 00:39:30.320 were the MAVs out there. It's Masa State College. Well now they're at 472 00:39:30.519 --> 00:39:36.039 Macon University, but they were the Mavericks. Is that the who you are? 473 00:39:36.079 --> 00:39:40.840 Exactly what we are Uno Mavericks? Uh huh, yep. Cool it 474 00:39:42.000 --> 00:39:46.280 is. So we have the like I said, the internet radio piece of 475 00:39:46.360 --> 00:39:52.159 this, and we're doing almost ten hours of program I'm sorry about eight hours 476 00:39:52.199 --> 00:39:55.639 of programming a week, which takes up a lot of time, you know, 477 00:39:55.880 --> 00:40:00.400 right, Yeah, you guys are keeping extremely busy out there and doing 478 00:40:00.599 --> 00:40:05.320 a lot of really cool things. It sounds like and I think, what 479 00:40:06.039 --> 00:40:09.119 you know, it feels like I'm getting really excited talking to you because I 480 00:40:09.280 --> 00:40:15.079 love the science end of all of this, and it does feel like you 481 00:40:15.159 --> 00:40:20.320 are kind of your own island out there in the middle of the country doing 482 00:40:20.360 --> 00:40:24.960 a lot of good work and putting the science together. And this is where 483 00:40:24.960 --> 00:40:31.159 I wanted to talk to you about, in the similarities and the different the 484 00:40:31.320 --> 00:40:36.840 equipment used for different parts of paranormal research. So I was wondering if you 485 00:40:36.880 --> 00:40:43.599 could kind of go into when in UFO investigations, there's certain equipment they use 486 00:40:43.679 --> 00:40:49.800 for certain reasons. What out of that equipment also is used in paranormal investigations, 487 00:40:51.000 --> 00:40:54.119 Well, I'm believe it or not. Trifield views are very popular between 488 00:40:54.199 --> 00:41:00.000 paranormal and YOURFO because of the Gaus meter and also because of being able to 489 00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:07.159 detect microwave or electric fields. These are very very important in both sets of 490 00:41:07.280 --> 00:41:13.679 investigations. One, you're trying to analyze a room of what kind of properties 491 00:41:13.719 --> 00:41:16.679 are there, So if you do get e vps onto your digital recorders, 492 00:41:17.039 --> 00:41:23.239 which we use in both investigative processes as well, to make sure that what 493 00:41:23.400 --> 00:41:29.719 you're picking up is the real deal and it's not just you know, potentially 494 00:41:29.800 --> 00:41:34.239 maybe you're picking up a radio broadcast and background on a cross frequency. So 495 00:41:34.679 --> 00:41:38.880 we actually check everything out when we go in to do a AP field investigation 496 00:41:39.119 --> 00:41:49.480 for for intelligent haunts okay, and then on the opposite side for UFO investigation, 497 00:41:49.920 --> 00:41:53.000 we'd use the same equipment to see if there's any residual fields there, 498 00:41:53.920 --> 00:42:00.519 uh, and or the digital recorder to interview the people and any other thing 499 00:42:00.679 --> 00:42:07.199 we use obviously for UFO investigation is we have our radiation meters that we bring 500 00:42:07.280 --> 00:42:10.480 out into the field. Those are very very important any kind of residual leftover 501 00:42:10.679 --> 00:42:21.960 radiation from a landing or an event that it flew near the ground or disrupted 502 00:42:22.599 --> 00:42:24.920 grass. We have a kind of case down and link in Nebraska where there 503 00:42:25.000 --> 00:42:31.960 was actually grass swirls left from an overflight of a UFO and we did get 504 00:42:32.119 --> 00:42:37.840 radiation counts down there, and we were called in about forty eight hours after 505 00:42:37.960 --> 00:42:44.280 the event, and we went down took soil samples in that and took extensive 506 00:42:44.559 --> 00:42:50.880 photo pictures of the squirrels and laid out the grid and walked the grid and 507 00:42:50.960 --> 00:42:55.400 then went in with the radiation meter and the trifield meter, and we took 508 00:42:55.440 --> 00:42:59.960 all of our linear measurements and a tape measure and all this type of thing 509 00:43:00.239 --> 00:43:02.920 and wrote everything down in each square as we went in to you know, 510 00:43:04.159 --> 00:43:10.119 eliminate contamination, worked our way into the center, and you know a lot 511 00:43:10.159 --> 00:43:14.280 of that same equipment would be the same thing. I mean, you wouldn't 512 00:43:14.280 --> 00:43:19.079 think why do you need a radiation meter to go to a you know, 513 00:43:19.280 --> 00:43:24.000 for a paranormal investigation, you never know what you're going to encounter and you 514 00:43:24.119 --> 00:43:30.280 don't know what's causing the issue there. So it's always pays to have a 515 00:43:30.360 --> 00:43:35.599 little bit more instrumentation than perhaps maybe you do need. Now some of the 516 00:43:36.079 --> 00:43:40.320 unique things that we build. It's a lot of the students and a lot 517 00:43:40.320 --> 00:43:46.440 of the members. They called this device to Paris Portal and it sounds it 518 00:43:46.559 --> 00:43:52.119 sounds bizarre, but all we're doing is we ionize air. We found that 519 00:43:52.480 --> 00:43:57.840 when you have a lot of solar winds and if there's thunderstorms in the area, 520 00:43:58.280 --> 00:44:07.199 we seem on the paranormal side to get more enhancement on our EVP recordings, 521 00:44:07.000 --> 00:44:15.239 and that is an enhancement, so we artificially induce it with our portable 522 00:44:15.320 --> 00:44:19.599 Tesla coil. We have a couple of them tennis set up and we use 523 00:44:19.639 --> 00:44:27.159 a Tesla coil that's run on a battery and we can go inside outside and 524 00:44:27.280 --> 00:44:32.880 set this up. And we've had very effective results with the EVP Electronic Voice 525 00:44:32.880 --> 00:44:38.880 Phenomena. Really yes, yes, it's been and we've also come up with 526 00:44:39.000 --> 00:44:43.760 a dampener. One of the things that we were thinking about was, Okay, 527 00:44:44.320 --> 00:44:47.760 you have a nasty we call them nasties, not Casper the friendly goes. 528 00:44:47.920 --> 00:44:52.360 We'll call them nasty, and what if you wanted to get rid of 529 00:44:52.440 --> 00:44:55.199 him? And so I was thinking about this, and since I do electronics 530 00:44:55.239 --> 00:44:58.920 and you know, like I said, you know, I got a multi 531 00:44:59.000 --> 00:45:01.800 disciplined background, it came across and I thought about this and I said, 532 00:45:01.920 --> 00:45:06.639 why am I putting a dampener up? So what we did is they built 533 00:45:06.719 --> 00:45:12.840 some like a screen antenna, and we made a special ground to a three 534 00:45:13.039 --> 00:45:16.360 you know, a three prong plug. It just hooked up the ground and 535 00:45:17.880 --> 00:45:22.519 we had one of these obviousnesses. You know, they call them a t 536 00:45:22.760 --> 00:45:29.960 X box, but it it picks up electromagnetic waves and associates it to a 537 00:45:30.079 --> 00:45:36.039 dictionary of words. And supposedly, we don't really know how this thing is 538 00:45:36.119 --> 00:45:38.679 designed, but it seems to kind of work. However, you know, 539 00:45:38.719 --> 00:45:43.400 we're kind of all riding a fence on that one. But the thing will 540 00:45:43.760 --> 00:45:45.719 utter a bunch of words. Okay, Now, when we plug in this 541 00:45:45.840 --> 00:45:52.159 dampener, it doesn't do anything, and when we unplug it, the thing 542 00:45:52.239 --> 00:45:57.719 starts chattering again. So it appears that whatever fields are in the room. 543 00:45:58.599 --> 00:46:02.760 And even during the EVP session with a digital recorder, we find that when 544 00:46:02.800 --> 00:46:09.000 we have the dampener in that the VPS go down as well. We've got 545 00:46:09.079 --> 00:46:14.920 one recording in a room in the building and there's a couple of kids and 546 00:46:15.039 --> 00:46:19.280 it says, hey, let's do it again, and there are no kids 547 00:46:19.400 --> 00:46:24.119 with us when we're making this recordings, okay, And we're able to uncover 548 00:46:24.239 --> 00:46:28.639 that with the Audacity software, which is free, you know, off the 549 00:46:28.719 --> 00:46:31.519 internet, and we use that extensively, and both groups use it, UFO 550 00:46:31.760 --> 00:46:37.719 and the other because if you're out there recording and one of our intentions is 551 00:46:37.800 --> 00:46:42.280 to have this laptop and all this suite of equipment hooked up to it, 552 00:46:43.159 --> 00:46:45.719 it's going to monitor by itself and we don't physically have to be there, 553 00:46:45.760 --> 00:46:49.559 So we could leave it up on the roof of a house or on the 554 00:46:49.679 --> 00:46:53.559 roof of the building, and the thing will actually activate itself motion detector and 555 00:46:53.679 --> 00:46:59.079 turn on cameras and if you you know, if we had a jolt in 556 00:46:59.159 --> 00:47:04.599 the Dallas field from a trifield meter, it would turn on the whole system 557 00:47:04.960 --> 00:47:07.440 and we'd have a number of triggers set up and then you start recording, 558 00:47:08.400 --> 00:47:15.079 and so one of the things would be not just voice and record digital recorders 559 00:47:15.159 --> 00:47:19.639 going on, but then to reduce the data after we get so if we 560 00:47:19.840 --> 00:47:23.599 did, maybe we would pick up a sound that we could analyze in addition 561 00:47:23.719 --> 00:47:30.079 to photos, webcams and all this type of thing that you could access through 562 00:47:30.079 --> 00:47:34.400 a wireless network. So we're working on a lot of things, software, 563 00:47:34.920 --> 00:47:39.199 hardware, and we're trying to develop things that are going to allow us to 564 00:47:39.280 --> 00:47:45.199 try to quantify what we're seeing, to try to reduce this down to get 565 00:47:45.559 --> 00:47:57.079 irrefutable proof that there are UFOs and there are ghosts out there, intelligent ghosts 566 00:47:57.119 --> 00:48:01.000 that you can communicate, ask questions, can get an answer. So it's 567 00:48:01.320 --> 00:48:07.119 very intriguing. Like I said, we're we're not looking for trouble, but 568 00:48:07.519 --> 00:48:14.840 we're there to analyze and group. Yeah, it's exciting, and there's a 569 00:48:15.039 --> 00:48:16.400 couple of things I want to ask related to that. And let's see if 570 00:48:16.400 --> 00:48:20.920 I could you know, formulate this question correctly, because these are, you 571 00:48:20.960 --> 00:48:25.280 know, pretty out there kind of ideas. But with the paranormal it's more, 572 00:48:25.360 --> 00:48:30.400 I guess, of a natural type of phenomena the energy is involved there 573 00:48:30.480 --> 00:48:37.400 that you're measuring, whereas the UFO phenomena is more of a technology that someone 574 00:48:37.519 --> 00:48:44.239 seems to have developed. But would you say that this technology that's developed seems 575 00:48:44.320 --> 00:48:53.119 to demonstrate a mastery of the natural phenomena that you're also measuring on the paranormal 576 00:48:53.239 --> 00:49:00.239 side. There's a relation there that seems pretty important. Yes, I think 577 00:49:00.280 --> 00:49:07.079 that there's a there is a correlation of of the various kinds of fields that 578 00:49:07.800 --> 00:49:15.840 on the other side that has the ability to communicate to reality here and how 579 00:49:15.920 --> 00:49:23.679 that works. It's still you know, we're still investigating now. I hate 580 00:49:23.760 --> 00:49:29.159 making, you know, just throwing out theories that don't pan out in that, 581 00:49:30.280 --> 00:49:34.360 but but there are pure We have worked on that aspect of it, 582 00:49:34.480 --> 00:49:39.280 of building the comparitor. Otherwise, we have a series of coils tuned differently 583 00:49:40.320 --> 00:49:47.480 different for different frequencies, and like a dynamic microphone in a digital recorder, 584 00:49:49.760 --> 00:49:58.599 it appears that EVPs can be enunciated or impressed onto the digital recorder as we 585 00:49:58.760 --> 00:50:02.760 speak. When you put it on audacity, you'll see human voice going up 586 00:50:02.840 --> 00:50:07.760 and down, huge amplification of our of the voice signals as it projects onto 587 00:50:07.840 --> 00:50:15.719 the screen when we're analyzing it. But yet the EVPs hang like very tightly 588 00:50:15.840 --> 00:50:22.280 along the center line of the voice sound waves and that's where we find these 589 00:50:22.360 --> 00:50:29.519 things. And what we're trying to do is develop a comparator system that is 590 00:50:29.760 --> 00:50:36.679 just a coil and the EVPs, as we think that we understand is a 591 00:50:36.840 --> 00:50:42.119 magnetic impression. In other words, there's a there's the energy field that they 592 00:50:42.320 --> 00:50:49.239 supposedly can command or control will generate a magnetic field that can actually get impressed 593 00:50:49.480 --> 00:50:53.039 to the dynamic microphone of a digital recorder. And if you can get that 594 00:50:53.400 --> 00:51:01.719 to also impress through a coil to a recorder that has been by the microphone 595 00:51:01.719 --> 00:51:08.559 has been bypassed, you now have two different tracks that have been laid in 596 00:51:09.840 --> 00:51:15.360 that can be compared. So if you get an EVP on the dynamic mic 597 00:51:15.039 --> 00:51:20.360 you should be able to get the EVP onto the coil. That is, 598 00:51:20.639 --> 00:51:23.760 there's no human voice on there, and whatever you do get will be then 599 00:51:24.719 --> 00:51:28.840 there should be identical. I guess that's what I'm trying to say, and 600 00:51:28.960 --> 00:51:30.559 to make the comparisons, and we're working on that right now. We have 601 00:51:30.639 --> 00:51:37.519 a little bit of problem with sixty cycle tones in there kind of distorting the 602 00:51:37.639 --> 00:51:42.440 signal on our coils, and we're putting in a filter there. But once 603 00:51:42.519 --> 00:51:47.719 we accomplished that next task, we'll actually have a comparator, and so that 604 00:51:47.840 --> 00:51:55.760 will prove that the EVPs that we're getting are not background noises, they're not 605 00:51:57.639 --> 00:52:02.599 you know, faked. It's not people whispering and all this type of thing, 606 00:52:02.679 --> 00:52:10.360 because you'll have them being imprinted onto a coil which has no ability to 607 00:52:10.559 --> 00:52:16.880 receive human sound ways. So right, that's that's gonna be extremely exciting when 608 00:52:16.920 --> 00:52:25.679 we perfect that system to analyze both recordings that are taken simultaneously. Yeah, 609 00:52:27.239 --> 00:52:30.320 I think what I think One thing I think is interesting about the you know, 610 00:52:30.519 --> 00:52:35.239 the the kind of areas where these different phenomena meet. Now, I 611 00:52:35.719 --> 00:52:38.320 typically, you know, I really stick to UFOs on the show and with 612 00:52:38.599 --> 00:52:44.159 my UFO Daily News, but I'm really into the paranormal. In fact, 613 00:52:44.320 --> 00:52:46.360 you know, I've been doing that investigation for a long time. I write 614 00:52:46.440 --> 00:52:52.679 for that, I write for all paranormal for Huffington Post a blog. So 615 00:52:54.519 --> 00:52:58.480 one of the things that I came across, and I'd love to hear your 616 00:52:58.519 --> 00:53:00.119 thoughts on that. Now, this is spec relative, this is out there, 617 00:53:00.159 --> 00:53:02.840 and you never know when it comes to channelings and stuff like that, 618 00:53:04.679 --> 00:53:08.760 right, But an abductee, and this was an interesting concept and I was 619 00:53:08.960 --> 00:53:14.559 involved with well, doctor Leo Sprinkle, who you're involved with he was or 620 00:53:14.639 --> 00:53:20.079 who you know, I'm sure he was the one doing the regression and I 621 00:53:20.280 --> 00:53:25.280 was present and I got to ask some questions, and whatever was coming across 622 00:53:25.360 --> 00:53:30.280 it could have been the subconscious of the person who is being regressed, but 623 00:53:30.559 --> 00:53:37.320 asking some questions around what they perceive. And they talked about a type of 624 00:53:37.599 --> 00:53:45.199 being that is non physical that has something to do with humans that they can't 625 00:53:45.239 --> 00:53:51.119 communicate with. But somehow these things have a strong connection with us, and 626 00:53:51.639 --> 00:54:00.280 they say they have the ability to their perception is wider than ours, so 627 00:54:00.400 --> 00:54:02.840 they can see these things, they can hear these things at times, but 628 00:54:04.360 --> 00:54:07.719 they don't know what they're up to because they can't communicate with them. And 629 00:54:07.920 --> 00:54:10.559 it kind of sounds like a medium, you know, And it would kind 630 00:54:10.599 --> 00:54:16.920 of make sense that perhaps if there are these these beings with a stronger grasp 631 00:54:17.000 --> 00:54:22.719 on some of these technologies, that they might be better ghost hunters for lack 632 00:54:22.840 --> 00:54:27.440 of a better term, and they would be able to detect these things. 633 00:54:27.480 --> 00:54:32.239 And I mean that crossing of these two arenas is so wild to me, 634 00:54:32.400 --> 00:54:36.679 but it seems to make sense. I mean that that would be the case 635 00:54:36.800 --> 00:54:43.239 that if we with technology are able to capture these things and them with the 636 00:54:43.400 --> 00:54:47.920 more advanced technologies, they would be able to observe these things that are unseen 637 00:54:47.960 --> 00:54:54.000 to us better now we've had a lot of open discussion about possibilities, and 638 00:54:54.360 --> 00:55:00.199 one of the things that a lot of us are into are entangled particles and 639 00:55:00.400 --> 00:55:04.280 actually spooky action at a distance is the result of Einstein's stream, is that 640 00:55:04.840 --> 00:55:08.679 entangled particles of spook action at a distance uh as you know, as uh 641 00:55:09.119 --> 00:55:14.639 as he evolved and developed really the basics of quantum physics, even though that 642 00:55:14.800 --> 00:55:21.199 he didn't like it. Anybody who upset his his realm of relativity, well, 643 00:55:21.280 --> 00:55:24.800 he's the guy who actually uh between him and and and Neil Boorr, 644 00:55:25.280 --> 00:55:32.280 you know, gets this thing rolling. But we've always wondered about the possibility. 645 00:55:32.480 --> 00:55:37.280 And as science has rolled on, we we know that there's more than 646 00:55:37.519 --> 00:55:45.800 just photonic uh particle entanglement, but you can actually have entanglement with atoms and 647 00:55:45.920 --> 00:55:50.480 that's been the latest that's been one of the latest breakthroughs and uh uh particle 648 00:55:50.679 --> 00:55:58.840 entanglement. And I find it's really fascinating because I've often wondered, uh telepathic 649 00:55:59.679 --> 00:56:08.840 abilities between people if there isn't a an entanglement of a chemical entanglement or in 650 00:56:08.960 --> 00:56:19.679 a sense kind of a potentially electron particle entanglement between humans that would cross vast 651 00:56:19.800 --> 00:56:24.400 distances and relate information back I think we all have potentially and it gets this 652 00:56:24.800 --> 00:56:29.719 is way out there. Okay, I'm not I can't confirm this, but 653 00:56:29.840 --> 00:56:35.519 it's this It's highly speculative, but it would seem to me is that in 654 00:56:35.719 --> 00:56:38.360 nature, if these things exist, and we've been able to show that it 655 00:56:38.519 --> 00:56:46.679 does among botons and atoms, that you can get not only two particles in 656 00:56:47.119 --> 00:56:52.000 entanglement, but there's also been proof of quadular entanglement, which means if you 657 00:56:52.039 --> 00:56:59.639 can do quadular then you should be able to do multiple entanglement of certain atoms 658 00:56:59.840 --> 00:57:06.360 or in this case, perhaps electrons in the brain. And so I'm kind 659 00:57:06.360 --> 00:57:10.199 of you know, extrapulating out there, but there has to be an explanation 660 00:57:10.400 --> 00:57:17.760 of why people can send their thoughts or aliens being able to telpathically communicate to 661 00:57:17.920 --> 00:57:23.880 humans through the brain. There has to be a relationship there. You know, 662 00:57:24.039 --> 00:57:27.039 nature doesn't pull a lot of punches, you know what I mean. 663 00:57:27.119 --> 00:57:31.760 The physics has to be the same for the interactive pieces of that. So 664 00:57:31.840 --> 00:57:36.920 if you can do it on to an atomic level, and you know, 665 00:57:37.360 --> 00:57:42.400 to an energy packet level in this case of photon, there wouldn't be any 666 00:57:42.519 --> 00:57:50.360 reason why you could not do that between humans and evolve or stimulate or create 667 00:57:50.440 --> 00:57:57.920 this artificial to induce some type of mental entanglement between people. I don't you 668 00:57:58.000 --> 00:58:02.199 know, I'm throwing it out there, but it seems possible. I guess 669 00:58:02.280 --> 00:58:07.519 it wouldn't be totally improbable. And I'm just kind of basing that off of, 670 00:58:07.920 --> 00:58:10.840 you know, trying to utilize some logic here that, like, for 671 00:58:10.960 --> 00:58:15.719 example, of the anomaly of space war. Not to try to change the 672 00:58:15.719 --> 00:58:19.519 subject or anything, but I'm just saying is that if these things do occur 673 00:58:21.000 --> 00:58:25.320 as an anomaly in nature, then we should be able to exercise these things 674 00:58:27.320 --> 00:58:32.480 with the proper inducement to artificially induce quote space war for example. But like 675 00:58:32.559 --> 00:58:38.760 I said, nature is it doesn't have all these various exceptions. It's kind 676 00:58:38.760 --> 00:58:43.639 of a cookie cutter. You know. Planets are made in a particular manner. 677 00:58:44.440 --> 00:58:47.480 Stars are made in a particular manner. There may be different sizes, 678 00:58:47.719 --> 00:58:54.199 different masses, different outputs, but they all run the same way. They 679 00:58:54.239 --> 00:59:00.079 all have fusion process, you know, planetoids, the fact that the suns 680 00:59:00.159 --> 00:59:08.119 take the a star takes all the wider particles such as hydrogen and whatnot, 681 00:59:08.599 --> 00:59:15.880 and accuses that together and leaves the heavier elements in the nebula outside of the 682 00:59:15.000 --> 00:59:21.880 star, and that those are left over for the quote interior metal planets that 683 00:59:22.000 --> 00:59:25.599 we have seen here, but we've also seen across with the Hubble Space telescope. 684 00:59:27.159 --> 00:59:34.639 So it's not that unusual. Our solar system is very normal in respect 685 00:59:34.719 --> 00:59:37.599 to the kind of processes that go on throughout the universe. We're not really 686 00:59:37.840 --> 00:59:43.960 all that unique. We're not unique other than the fact that we're you know, 687 00:59:44.320 --> 00:59:46.199 way out there in our universe about three cords of the way, and 688 00:59:47.280 --> 00:59:51.679 we sit in a kind of an idle place where not a lot goes on, 689 00:59:52.000 --> 00:59:55.599 and I e. We were able to survive you know, four point 690 00:59:55.639 --> 01:00:01.360 six billion years. But getting back to the entanglement and that I'm just trying 691 01:00:01.440 --> 01:00:07.400 to present the case that nature doesn't really vary a whole lot once you find 692 01:00:07.440 --> 01:00:12.440 a procedure pretty much duplicates these things in the array that the goes through or 693 01:00:12.480 --> 01:00:17.639 the process that it goes through. Getting to some more of the science there 694 01:00:19.159 --> 01:00:22.400 you had mentioned a bit, and we should get there the spacewarp, Yes, 695 01:00:22.559 --> 01:00:29.920 because that's very interesting work that you've done. Playing the space warp to 696 01:00:30.039 --> 01:00:34.480 us, I guess, and how it's been observed in nature. Okay, 697 01:00:36.280 --> 01:00:45.440 the case studies that I actually have are related to pilots. And what's unique 698 01:00:45.480 --> 01:00:52.320 about this is that the cases that I have cover from World War two to 699 01:00:52.159 --> 01:00:59.119 nineteen seventy. Is my latest one that we have lots of evidence about. 700 01:01:00.519 --> 01:01:06.920 Starting in World War Two, we have an RAF pilot named O'Brien flying over 701 01:01:07.079 --> 01:01:12.960 England and a Tiger moth doing some radar tracking with the aircraft during the war. 702 01:01:13.639 --> 01:01:19.719 Gets caught up into a thunderstorm and suddenly he feels like the aircraft is 703 01:01:19.719 --> 01:01:24.920 going to get ripped apart. He flies he sees a light into the thunderstorm, 704 01:01:25.760 --> 01:01:30.679 and he flies his aircraft towards the light. It opens up his into 705 01:01:30.800 --> 01:01:35.079 a tunnel and he believes that he can see the sea on the other side 706 01:01:35.119 --> 01:01:40.199 of this. He's flying in southern England and he flies into the tunnel and 707 01:01:40.280 --> 01:01:45.920 he ends up coming out into an area that are one hundreds of miles away 708 01:01:45.960 --> 01:01:52.039 from where he's supposed to be and a tiger math and he writes this down. 709 01:01:53.440 --> 01:01:57.880 He actually felt that he was in the hands of God, as he 710 01:01:57.960 --> 01:02:04.719 writes into this l letter that I received from his son actually just narrated parts 711 01:02:04.760 --> 01:02:07.440 of it, and he thought he was doomed, and he flies into the 712 01:02:07.480 --> 01:02:10.679 tunnel. He comes out, he lands back at his base, thinking that 713 01:02:10.760 --> 01:02:14.719 he was day late, and he said, no, you're on time. 714 01:02:15.880 --> 01:02:21.000 And so this is a weird occurrence. Well, he just keeps it tech 715 01:02:21.079 --> 01:02:24.199 kind of to himself. There, writes all this information up, writes it 716 01:02:24.280 --> 01:02:30.480 into a letter and told this family about it. Well, in the nineteen 717 01:02:30.559 --> 01:02:35.039 fifties we have Arthur Goffrey, who experienced He was a navy pilot. I 718 01:02:35.039 --> 01:02:38.360 don't know if you realized that. He was an entertainer, yes, very 719 01:02:38.440 --> 01:02:42.679 famous, but he was also a navy pilot, and he was checked out 720 01:02:43.079 --> 01:02:49.239 in every naval aircraft into the during the war and after the war. He 721 01:02:49.480 --> 01:02:53.400 was an expert navigator and everything else that goes with that. He was flying 722 01:02:53.440 --> 01:03:00.920 from Alaska to Japan and he encounters in the story that he tells, a 723 01:03:00.119 --> 01:03:07.840 UFO comes up near his craft and then disappears, and then suddenly he gets 724 01:03:07.280 --> 01:03:13.679 enveloped in a kind of a cloud that adheres to the aircraft and he ends 725 01:03:13.760 --> 01:03:19.320 up arriving in Japan a half hour earlier than what he's supposed to. All 726 01:03:19.400 --> 01:03:23.400 Right, well, he is kind of stuck in a quandary. You know, 727 01:03:23.880 --> 01:03:28.480 who's going to believe this, So he only tells this story to a 728 01:03:28.599 --> 01:03:34.039 handful of people over his lifetime. And we get up to nineteen sixty six 729 01:03:34.119 --> 01:03:38.079 Lieutenant Frank Hopkins, and he's flying a C ninety seven. He's a master 730 01:03:38.360 --> 01:03:43.719 navigator, he's a colonel in the Air Force and the Air National Guard at 731 01:03:43.760 --> 01:03:49.079 this point out of New York and they're flying from Quadulin to Guam, and 732 01:03:49.679 --> 01:03:52.440 this is about a six and a half hour trip. They make it in 733 01:03:52.599 --> 01:03:57.400 five hours. And as he checks his waypoints, he finds that one waypoint, 734 01:03:58.440 --> 01:04:03.000 he has gone three hundred miles in an hour. It's impossible to do 735 01:04:03.239 --> 01:04:10.039 this, and the thing is like a lumbering brick, you know, with 736 01:04:10.199 --> 01:04:17.280 four engines, and so he's gone beyond his waypoint three hundred miles downrange lands 737 01:04:17.320 --> 01:04:23.400 early. They talk about it at this operation shack and they never enter it 738 01:04:23.480 --> 01:04:28.440 into the log books, but he writes about this, and he eventually sends 739 01:04:28.440 --> 01:04:32.400 a letter to Argacy magazine in nineteen sixty eight talking about his experience and he 740 01:04:32.559 --> 01:04:40.639 used technology. Well, Witch, this is exactly where I'm headed here with 741 01:04:40.800 --> 01:04:45.079 the with the evidence here and the best case that I have now these kind 742 01:04:45.119 --> 01:04:51.679 of you know, there's circumstantial evidence there, you know, is it exact? 743 01:04:53.199 --> 01:04:56.800 Well, you know, I don't have specific dates. I've got you 744 01:04:56.880 --> 01:05:00.880 know, generalities here, but the Bruce Gerning casenineteen seventy, that's four December 745 01:05:01.000 --> 01:05:06.159 nineteen seventy. He takes off from West Palm Beach. He flies down to 746 01:05:08.239 --> 01:05:14.320 Andros Island. His dad is there, the business associated they're looking into building 747 01:05:14.360 --> 01:05:17.960 a resort down down the Andros Island, and the Navy has a research center 748 01:05:18.039 --> 01:05:21.199 down there, kind of like the Area fifty one of the Navy in a 749 01:05:21.280 --> 01:05:26.639 sense, and he's down there. The thing to remember is when you fly 750 01:05:26.800 --> 01:05:30.119 into Andros Island, it takes about seventy five minutes ago from West Palm Beach 751 01:05:30.239 --> 01:05:36.440 down to Andros Island, and then behind the quote the triangle, you land 752 01:05:36.519 --> 01:05:40.440 or there's no fuel. So whatever you fly in with is what you fly 753 01:05:40.639 --> 01:05:44.280 out with. Okay, next day to get done with their business, and 754 01:05:44.280 --> 01:05:47.760 they're flying back to get wrapped up into a bunch of thunderstorms surrounds the airplane 755 01:05:48.440 --> 01:05:55.199 and there's two last thunderstorms that are forming in this ring. As they form 756 01:05:55.360 --> 01:05:59.519 up, a tunnel appears. Now some people call it a step tunnel. 757 01:06:00.159 --> 01:06:04.000 Some people call it a sucker hole. And at this time he's flying around 758 01:06:04.519 --> 01:06:10.079 and he's trying to evade these thunderstorms. He can't fly under a minority to 759 01:06:10.199 --> 01:06:13.440 the surface of the ocean, and he's trying. He can't fly over him 760 01:06:13.480 --> 01:06:16.119 because these things that have expanded up to sixty five thousand feet in altitude, 761 01:06:16.800 --> 01:06:19.679 and that's not unusual down there, you know, for thunderstorms to go up 762 01:06:19.719 --> 01:06:24.079 that high, because you know, the atmosphere's a lot thicker down there. 763 01:06:24.519 --> 01:06:28.079 Anyway, he ends up taking the plane through a ten thousand feet through this 764 01:06:28.199 --> 01:06:34.239 hole, and the hole is probably, you know, somewhere about ten or 765 01:06:34.360 --> 01:06:40.320 more miles long. He actually goes enters the hole and gets out of the 766 01:06:40.400 --> 01:06:45.400 hole in about twenty seconds, and something begins to happen to the airplane. 767 01:06:45.079 --> 01:06:50.360 Engines still running and everything's normal in the plane, except now all the instrumentation 768 01:06:50.599 --> 01:06:56.760 is going out. And as he exits the hole, a white cloud adheres 769 01:06:56.840 --> 01:07:01.679 to the aircraft, sticks to it, and he disappears off a radar. 770 01:07:02.079 --> 01:07:06.280 And he's near Bimeny Island at this point, and he makes a call on 771 01:07:06.400 --> 01:07:14.000 his radio several seconds later after this occurrence, and he's able to actually make 772 01:07:14.039 --> 01:07:18.920 a radio transmission, and the clouds dissipates around the airplane and he's over Miami 773 01:07:19.000 --> 01:07:25.239 Beach and the controller from Miami says, I got an aircraft south of the 774 01:07:25.280 --> 01:07:28.519 field here over Miami Beach, and he says, can't be me. As 775 01:07:28.559 --> 01:07:30.960 he's making this call and talking back and forth, he says, can't be 776 01:07:31.079 --> 01:07:33.840 me on a Vimeny Island, And he goes, well, there is no 777 01:07:33.960 --> 01:07:39.519 aircraft at Vimy Island. There's one over Miami Beach. And so as he 778 01:07:39.599 --> 01:07:45.519 recognizes the you know, the ground beneath him, he then continues on to 779 01:07:45.679 --> 01:07:48.480 West Palm Beach. He lands. He took off at three o'clock. He 780 01:07:48.639 --> 01:07:55.039 lands at three forty seven, and this is a seventy five minute trip and 781 01:07:55.119 --> 01:07:58.559 he's actually traveled two hundred and fifty miles already, you know, for this 782 01:07:58.840 --> 01:08:03.159 entire trip, and it's normally like two hundred and ten. So bottom line 783 01:08:03.360 --> 01:08:08.599 is, how does he would have to have gone three hundred and nineteen miles 784 01:08:08.599 --> 01:08:13.239 an hour in order to make the trip in forty seven minutes. He goes 785 01:08:13.280 --> 01:08:16.520 over to the refueling pumps as he would normally do after every completion of a 786 01:08:16.600 --> 01:08:21.279 flight, and he tops the tanks off because he puts in the fuel and 787 01:08:21.319 --> 01:08:25.960 he usually uses like thirty two gallons of fuel to make these round trips. 788 01:08:26.760 --> 01:08:32.119 And the bottom line is he has nine extra gallons of fuel on board that 789 01:08:32.279 --> 01:08:36.560 he didn't expend, and so he's got the refueling tickets, we got his 790 01:08:36.680 --> 01:08:40.960 log books, we've got his flight map, we got the testimony from the 791 01:08:41.039 --> 01:08:45.640 two other people in the plane. We've got people seeing him take off, 792 01:08:45.840 --> 01:08:50.039 he got people seeing him land. He thought it was some kind of time 793 01:08:50.119 --> 01:08:57.880 warp. But as the research has gone on, it and particularly this is 794 01:08:58.159 --> 01:09:01.359 a theoretical physics problem at least in the beginning when we begin to look at 795 01:09:01.399 --> 01:09:08.880 this, and it's a process that Miguel L. Cuvier in nineteen ninety four 796 01:09:09.079 --> 01:09:18.960 came up with as a theoretical possibility to allow spacecraft to travel faster than the 797 01:09:19.000 --> 01:09:25.279 speed of light. And with this, what his emphasis is is that if 798 01:09:25.359 --> 01:09:30.800 you have enough energy around a craft, it gets put into what he've referred 799 01:09:30.840 --> 01:09:35.159 to as a space warp bubble, and within that bubble, the crew would 800 01:09:35.199 --> 01:09:41.439 not experience any kind of momentum. They would have an experience of a slight 801 01:09:41.479 --> 01:09:45.680 feeling of weightlessness and there would be like tidal actions on the exterior of this 802 01:09:45.840 --> 01:09:51.039 bubble, and there would be the literally the compression of the fabricus space in 803 01:09:51.159 --> 01:09:56.399 front of the craft, and then it would expand up and around the craft, 804 01:09:56.520 --> 01:10:01.199 pushing it through the fabricus space. Now, this fabrica space doesn't extend 805 01:10:01.439 --> 01:10:06.119 hundreds and thousands of miles. We're only talking like about half an inch perhaps 806 01:10:06.319 --> 01:10:11.439 or less, of actually compressing the fabric of space. But it's like taking 807 01:10:11.479 --> 01:10:15.279 a piece of paper, putting a dot at the bottom and the top and 808 01:10:15.399 --> 01:10:20.680 folding the paper and you're transiting between those two dots, and the compression of 809 01:10:20.760 --> 01:10:27.720 the space is You've just traversed a linear distance. It's not anything to do 810 01:10:27.840 --> 01:10:31.600 with velocity. Okay, so this doesn't violate anything in relativity. So you 811 01:10:31.680 --> 01:10:34.760 know, you realize that, you know, as you speed up towards the 812 01:10:34.800 --> 01:10:39.399 speed of light, you know you will require more and more fuel, your 813 01:10:39.479 --> 01:10:44.439 mass increases, and supposedly, as the theory goes, you know you can 814 01:10:44.520 --> 01:10:47.000 never you could approach the speed of light, but you can never exceed it. 815 01:10:47.239 --> 01:10:50.079 Okay, well, this has something to do with that. This is 816 01:10:50.199 --> 01:11:00.439 more deals with a linear distance of travel over a compressed fabric portion of space. 817 01:11:00.760 --> 01:11:02.680 So it really has nothing to do with velocity as it does with the 818 01:11:02.760 --> 01:11:08.800 compression. And in my seminar that we just had, you know, two 819 01:11:08.840 --> 01:11:15.520 weeks ago, my suggestion was, I believe after reviewing lots of materials about 820 01:11:15.640 --> 01:11:18.880 UFOs and there's sudden appearance and disappearance in other words, you know, just 821 01:11:19.000 --> 01:11:24.439 going and away they go, and you can see them moving. I believe 822 01:11:24.560 --> 01:11:31.119 is that they have perfected this artificial inducement of the fabricus space or space war 823 01:11:31.840 --> 01:11:35.760 to such a degree it's almost like using a gas pedal in a car that 824 01:11:36.239 --> 01:11:41.560 you can manipulate it to go very slow, where you can use it to 825 01:11:41.640 --> 01:11:45.640 go extremely fast. And the projection here for fabric space or the space war 826 01:11:46.840 --> 01:11:50.920 is something. And they were heard of a thousand times to speed alive. 827 01:11:51.000 --> 01:11:55.000 Could even be more than that, we don't know, but that's been the 828 01:11:55.079 --> 01:11:59.279 projection of theory about it. Now, these pilots, did they run across 829 01:11:59.560 --> 01:12:03.560 ARTI are natural kind of terrors in the fabric of space? Well, what 830 01:12:04.079 --> 01:12:08.079 happened with these guys? And this is the beauty of it. Being a 831 01:12:08.159 --> 01:12:14.640 meteorologist, Okay, here's the meteorologists coming up. Thunderstorms. We've learned just 832 01:12:15.079 --> 01:12:19.479 this in January twenty ten. There's been some experiments and observations since two thousand 833 01:12:19.520 --> 01:12:26.319 and seven about positive thunderstorms and the generation of positrons antimatter, and as a 834 01:12:26.399 --> 01:12:32.720 result of all the electrical charges inside the storm, the thunderstorms generate trallions of 835 01:12:32.800 --> 01:12:39.279 these positrons, and it was detected with the Firming spacecraft. And the beauty 836 01:12:39.319 --> 01:12:43.920 of this and the irony of it is the Firming spacecraft was designed to look 837 01:12:44.199 --> 01:12:48.520 for antimatter out in the universe, and they didn't realize, and they should 838 01:12:48.520 --> 01:12:53.319 have turned the thing around, because they would have found that the Earth is 839 01:12:53.359 --> 01:12:57.600 loaded with antimatter, more antimatter than anywhere else that they've been able to detect 840 01:12:57.600 --> 01:13:03.119 in the universe. The fact that these thunderstorms are generating this thing on a 841 01:13:03.239 --> 01:13:11.039 day to day basis means that there is sufficient energy that induces. It's the 842 01:13:11.159 --> 01:13:19.399 triggering mechanism that I believe induces these micro spacewarks, or let's call them space 843 01:13:19.479 --> 01:13:26.000 war pulses. They only last for a fraction of a second. Perhaps they 844 01:13:26.039 --> 01:13:29.880 don't go on for any big length of time, but it's enough to shoot 845 01:13:29.920 --> 01:13:36.960 these airplanes out of the thunderstorms. In these environments about one hundred miles or 846 01:13:38.000 --> 01:13:41.520 a few hundred miles in the case of the C ninety seven, three hundred 847 01:13:41.560 --> 01:13:46.000 miles, and these aircraft you would think would have been destroyed. And you 848 01:13:46.039 --> 01:13:50.560 know the A thirty six Peach Bonanza that Chris Gernon was flying in nineteen seventy 849 01:13:51.159 --> 01:13:56.640 the wings fall off at two hundred and two hundred and thirty miles an hour. 850 01:13:59.439 --> 01:14:03.319 And in this case, I calculated the distance and I used a second 851 01:14:03.399 --> 01:14:10.680 which is probably more than what actually occurred as far as time goes. But 852 01:14:11.560 --> 01:14:15.239 in that calculation of one hundred miles, that's train under sixty thousand miles an 853 01:14:15.279 --> 01:14:18.520 hour. I mean, you would think, well, the motor should have 854 01:14:18.560 --> 01:14:21.239 stopped, the wings should have fell off. He was in a bubble. 855 01:14:21.600 --> 01:14:27.640 There's no way that that plane could have gone that distance without some kind of 856 01:14:27.720 --> 01:14:32.000 physical damage to it, if it was anything other than space war. Sometimes 857 01:14:32.479 --> 01:14:36.800 other people have always been saying it's a time travel. You made a triangle 858 01:14:38.079 --> 01:14:43.760 issue, you know, somehow there's an anomoly of time travel there. Well, 859 01:14:44.800 --> 01:14:50.600 we did the calculations and it is not time travel. He was in 860 01:14:51.560 --> 01:14:56.760 communications with ground control. If it was something to do with time travel, 861 01:14:57.520 --> 01:15:02.000 then there would have been distortion between when he transmitted to one the ground observer 862 01:15:02.359 --> 01:15:08.079 transmitted back, and all of that was in sync. So the meaning that 863 01:15:08.600 --> 01:15:13.920 it wasn't time travel is the logical reduction of what occurred here. But more 864 01:15:14.279 --> 01:15:16.760 likely, and the evidence points to this, is that it was space force. 865 01:15:17.399 --> 01:15:23.880 And believe it or not, all the different criteria that Miguel and Cuvier 866 01:15:24.399 --> 01:15:30.079 cited that should happen during space warp travel is what he physically felt and what 867 01:15:30.239 --> 01:15:39.479 he experienced in his small little transit of a microsecond and going one hundred miles. 868 01:15:39.960 --> 01:15:45.520 And what was interesting is that nobody could see his airplane until the fog 869 01:15:45.239 --> 01:15:51.199 this ionized cloud clung to his airplane, but the energy from the thunderstorm as 870 01:15:51.239 --> 01:15:57.439 it pushed this thing one hundred miles, nobody could see his airplane. And 871 01:15:57.520 --> 01:16:00.640 it wasn't until the cloud dissipated that the control tower saying, oh, we 872 01:16:00.680 --> 01:16:03.399 can see an airplane flying over not only on radar, but we can visibly 873 01:16:03.520 --> 01:16:09.600 see an aircraft over Miami Beach. So there was a lot of interesting things 874 01:16:09.680 --> 01:16:17.600 to go with this particular trip that these guys made. Invisibility is one of 875 01:16:17.640 --> 01:16:26.760 the issues here for the destructive interference of light in this warp bubble. The 876 01:16:26.840 --> 01:16:31.479 fact that there was no real extensive tidal actions, in other words, no 877 01:16:31.640 --> 01:16:36.079 disruptions onto the ocean floor, on the all ocean surface, nor in the 878 01:16:36.119 --> 01:16:45.279 atmosphere causing any kind of anomalies. And the fact that he didn't expend all 879 01:16:45.319 --> 01:16:53.039 the fuel he normally would have that again time travel, you know, but 880 01:16:53.199 --> 01:16:58.720 this really relates back to the space warp. And I got his copies of 881 01:16:58.840 --> 01:17:03.960 all of his documents, and the refueling ticket is probably the most convincing on 882 01:17:04.319 --> 01:17:09.960 everything. Okay, the fact that he refueled, he knew where he went, 883 01:17:10.399 --> 01:17:13.319 where he had come back, with how much fuel he had on board, 884 01:17:13.840 --> 01:17:17.199 and the fact that he actually had gone an additional forty miles to try 885 01:17:17.239 --> 01:17:23.520 to avoid some of these thunderstorms in that and changing paths, changing altitudes. 886 01:17:24.319 --> 01:17:30.039 A very intriguing case. Now this happened. If this is what happened, 887 01:17:30.720 --> 01:17:38.199 and it happens in nature, how difficult is it to create then, like 888 01:17:38.319 --> 01:17:43.640 what the UFOs are doing in artificial space warp? Do we have the technology 889 01:17:43.800 --> 01:17:48.039 to do it? If we were able to obtain the know how I'm working 890 01:17:48.119 --> 01:17:53.079 on it. I got I believe that there is going to do space work 891 01:17:53.159 --> 01:17:58.359 a student across Nebraska. No. Actually, my little lab here that I 892 01:17:58.479 --> 01:18:02.479 have set up, I'm doing some micro wharf experiments. And what I've done 893 01:18:02.479 --> 01:18:09.920 I'm a hammer radio operator and I've got a transmitter in two different two dipole 894 01:18:10.000 --> 01:18:15.359 antennas, And what I'm trying to simulate is a field pattern that clouds would 895 01:18:15.439 --> 01:18:20.119 make in thunderstorms, because they actually create dipole fields, and there's energy comes 896 01:18:20.119 --> 01:18:24.640 out of the top, comes around the site, circulates back to the bottom 897 01:18:25.000 --> 01:18:29.439 and actually goes around again. Nature doesn't pull any punches here. So in 898 01:18:29.640 --> 01:18:34.640 a radiating antenna, an omnidirectional antenna does exactly the same thing. It comes 899 01:18:34.680 --> 01:18:38.560 out of the top, it radiates around and goes back to the bottom, 900 01:18:38.880 --> 01:18:42.239 has the same kind of flow. And so what I've done is I've set 901 01:18:42.319 --> 01:18:49.760 up two different dipole antennas and the object here is to irradiate into a fair 902 01:18:49.880 --> 01:18:56.640 day cage. And I have a modified Michaelsom Morley experiments and in parometer. 903 01:18:57.399 --> 01:19:00.159 And the object here, now this is a tough You can't go to kmart 904 01:19:00.159 --> 01:19:02.520 and go buy any of this stuff, right. You gotta build everything right, 905 01:19:03.119 --> 01:19:08.640 So this has taken a lot of time to do and align and modify 906 01:19:08.760 --> 01:19:13.800 these experiments. Got a laser, you got the beam splitter, got the 907 01:19:14.039 --> 01:19:16.920 reflective mirrors, and I got the screen up there. And the screen and 908 01:19:17.000 --> 01:19:23.520 this particular experiment is sensitive to like, you know, one to thirty six 909 01:19:23.640 --> 01:19:30.000 hundred of a fraction to see a fringe pattern. And that's how sensitive this 910 01:19:30.159 --> 01:19:36.000 thing is. So the object of the experiment is to align the laser up 911 01:19:36.039 --> 01:19:42.319 into the sweet point of the cross patterns of the dipole fields of where this 912 01:19:42.560 --> 01:19:47.319 quote tunnel would be. Because I've actually done the analysis with one ham radio 913 01:19:47.439 --> 01:19:53.039 software and tennis software and you can actually cross to dipole fields and you'll see 914 01:19:53.119 --> 01:19:57.760 the center they see the cross points of this tunnel that's actually generated in this 915 01:19:57.960 --> 01:20:00.880 thing. And that's when I'm trying to achieve. And I've got to be 916 01:20:00.960 --> 01:20:04.800 able to manipulate the platform so it goes up and down and the laser goes 917 01:20:04.920 --> 01:20:10.920 right into the sweet spot. So that that's been the difficult part. I 918 01:20:10.960 --> 01:20:13.680 guess maybe to a lot of people it wouldn't be, but you know, 919 01:20:13.840 --> 01:20:18.199 you're we're working with some very limited amount of power. You know, about 920 01:20:18.199 --> 01:20:27.199 one hundred lots of power and finding that little tiny spot micro would be the 921 01:20:27.359 --> 01:20:31.680 point. And what I'm looking for is a fringe pattern of distortion as this 922 01:20:31.920 --> 01:20:36.720 laser goes through the tunnel, and that would give me the indications that make 923 01:20:36.800 --> 01:20:44.119 me extremely excited that not only can you induce this artificially, that we've carried 924 01:20:44.159 --> 01:20:49.600 this up to a bigger model, but I've also determined the various weather parameters 925 01:20:50.439 --> 01:20:58.680 that would be necessary to induce this as a weather phenomena. So I've studied 926 01:21:00.079 --> 01:21:06.039 over fifty different flights of the aircraft that disappeared, and I took randomly twenty 927 01:21:06.119 --> 01:21:14.359 three cases out of the fifty canalyzed, and I found a pattern beginning to 928 01:21:14.840 --> 01:21:18.640 come out of the data, and that was a particular set of weather parameters 929 01:21:19.359 --> 01:21:25.399 when these aircraft disappeared. And unfortunately I got some pilots that actually lived through 930 01:21:25.800 --> 01:21:31.960 a bunch of this stuff. But the trend tendency was a unique situation between 931 01:21:32.199 --> 01:21:38.159 high and low pressure systems where you had easterly flow. And I did a 932 01:21:38.199 --> 01:21:43.880 lot of my study work right off the east coast of Miami there and that's 933 01:21:43.920 --> 01:21:47.000 where a lot of these planes went down. And I found a pattern beginning 934 01:21:47.079 --> 01:21:55.359 to evolve and the fact was that these thunderstorms, these very independent thunderstorms, 935 01:21:55.479 --> 01:22:00.439 would occur off the east coast of Miami, first in Key West to begin 936 01:22:00.560 --> 01:22:04.119 to see some towering cumulus, some unstable air conditions, and by about eleven 937 01:22:04.119 --> 01:22:11.239 o'clock in the morning, these independent, isolated thunderstorms would form off east of 938 01:22:11.319 --> 01:22:17.439 Miami, out and over the ocean surface, and by afternoon these things were 939 01:22:18.279 --> 01:22:27.359 huge. And based off the day and time of the archived data, we 940 01:22:27.479 --> 01:22:32.720 all were showing the same processes going on. There always between which we would 941 01:22:32.760 --> 01:22:38.800 call a call area between the high and low pressure systems of two major fronts 942 01:22:40.279 --> 01:22:44.439 or two major systems of the high and low but there's a transitionary area between 943 01:22:44.520 --> 01:22:47.800 there, which is called the color transition zone, which has light and verbal 944 01:22:47.880 --> 01:22:55.079 winds, which is ideal for thunderstorm development. And again the archived data indicates 945 01:22:55.199 --> 01:23:01.239 that these storms appear. We have easterly flow over the over Florida, and 946 01:23:01.319 --> 01:23:06.720 you have less than ten degrees separation between temperature and viewpoint, and you have 947 01:23:06.840 --> 01:23:14.760 an easterly wind of less than ten knots, and in every situation the same 948 01:23:15.239 --> 01:23:24.119 phenomena of thunderstorms occur. And couple that with the positronic development inside of the 949 01:23:24.199 --> 01:23:30.800 thunderstorm, the electrical discharges, the bidirectional flow of energy from ground to space 950 01:23:30.920 --> 01:23:38.640 and from space to ground, and the addition of the solar winds and directly 951 01:23:38.720 --> 01:23:43.039 related to the amount of sunspots being created on the Sun, but the solar 952 01:23:43.119 --> 01:23:48.920 wind patterns as they come across the heliosphere. And there are again a variety 953 01:23:48.960 --> 01:23:54.439 of different criteria that we use to look at this. But when all of 954 01:23:54.520 --> 01:24:00.640 this energy is coupled and it actually can affect these isolated thunderstorms, this is 955 01:24:00.760 --> 01:24:05.159 the inducement that I believe that I found, as far as the utrological parameters, 956 01:24:05.680 --> 01:24:14.720 the inducement that we can forecast to actually recreate the situation for Bruce's aircraft 957 01:24:15.520 --> 01:24:20.159 involvement in his case. And I've got a proposal out there right now. 958 01:24:20.199 --> 01:24:25.439 I'm trying to get a network to fund this. I'm working with the producer 959 01:24:25.560 --> 01:24:30.079 Bruce Burgess over in England. He may have heard of him, Area fifty 960 01:24:30.159 --> 01:24:33.800 one. He's done a number of independent productions and things. He's been in 961 01:24:33.880 --> 01:24:39.000 the business for, you know, well over twenty five years. And I 962 01:24:39.039 --> 01:24:45.399 don't know if you remember in one of his documentaries that he did about Area 963 01:24:45.520 --> 01:24:48.840 fifty one he was the guy was in the airplane getting chased by next Yeah, 964 01:24:48.840 --> 01:24:51.520 and that was a big one because that's one of the first real popular 965 01:24:51.640 --> 01:24:58.760 documentaries. That's Bruce Burgess. There's a whole other story behind. He and 966 01:24:58.840 --> 01:25:02.840 I have talked hours and hours about things, and he is a great, 967 01:25:03.319 --> 01:25:08.760 a great guy. But that that episode, he said he needed a shovel 968 01:25:08.840 --> 01:25:15.159 after each He's got that. That's but anyway, I'm working with him and 969 01:25:15.319 --> 01:25:23.239 we're trying to get funding for phase two research, which is exactly what I 970 01:25:23.399 --> 01:25:28.159 just described to you as the being able to forecast the weather parameters. And 971 01:25:28.239 --> 01:25:34.239 then we're gonna construct a ua V and unmanned aerial vehicle. We're gonna convert 972 01:25:34.359 --> 01:25:43.760 like a Piper one Piper Cherokee, and we're gonna put the automated control systems 973 01:25:43.800 --> 01:25:48.039 in there, mount up all the instrumentation that we have designed for it, 974 01:25:48.159 --> 01:25:53.199 and can acquire off the shelf any of these pieces and parts, and then 975 01:25:53.439 --> 01:25:59.159 at the proper moment is we'll have chase aircraft on either side of these thunderstorms, 976 01:25:59.600 --> 01:26:02.439 we'll look for the sucker hole. And there are a various criteria that 977 01:26:02.520 --> 01:26:10.520 we can use electronically to begin to analyze in the air at that moment of 978 01:26:10.640 --> 01:26:14.199 whether to commit the aircraft or not. Gamma raised. And you see, 979 01:26:14.199 --> 01:26:19.960 gamma raise is the direct byproduct of antimatter and the fact that we have sensors 980 01:26:20.000 --> 01:26:25.600 that can actually pick that up. We'll be able to find the sweet point 981 01:26:25.800 --> 01:26:30.880 in the thunderstorm, direct the aircraft and hopefully we do see a tunnel and 982 01:26:30.000 --> 01:26:35.439 we can then penetrate and then replicate this on the other side where the aircraft 983 01:26:35.560 --> 01:26:41.039 then displaces whatever mileage that it goes. But it's only going to be for 984 01:26:41.199 --> 01:26:44.720 like a microsecond. And that's all that's all we care about, right, 985 01:26:44.840 --> 01:26:49.520 Okay, And that's all that's safe. Yeah, yeah. And and the 986 01:26:49.600 --> 01:26:54.720 thing is, you know, like Bruce Gernan has volunteered to be one of 987 01:26:54.800 --> 01:26:59.079 the chase pilots because he understands it's phenomenon more than anybody else, because he 988 01:26:59.159 --> 01:27:04.359 survived through two different encounters of this stuff. Wow. And and actually I've 989 01:27:04.439 --> 01:27:10.319 flown with him, I've met with him, I've interviewed him. Actually, 990 01:27:10.399 --> 01:27:15.479 as it turns out, we're great friends now. So this has been an 991 01:27:15.560 --> 01:27:20.960 intriguing case for me personally for well over seven years as I evolved and developed 992 01:27:21.000 --> 01:27:28.600 the research and looked at all the information, and then all over the last 993 01:27:29.000 --> 01:27:34.399 four years was to be involved with Bruce and making these well yeah programs and 994 01:27:34.479 --> 01:27:39.479 everything. It's fascinating. So among all the no wonder why you're so busy, 995 01:27:39.640 --> 01:27:43.279 or you're teaching all these classes, you're doing these radio shows, you're 996 01:27:43.319 --> 01:27:49.479 building a stargate in your garage stargate, you're busy, FETA. I don't 997 01:27:49.520 --> 01:27:55.119 know if i'd call the first proto type. Sure, maybe the first time 998 01:27:55.159 --> 01:27:58.560 you only go a couple hundred miles, but well, who knows what the 999 01:27:58.640 --> 01:28:03.279 potential is? Well micro work really, you know, it's amazing how many 1000 01:28:03.359 --> 01:28:08.960 people sit on the sideline looking at this and they're all going, you do 1001 01:28:09.079 --> 01:28:12.479 it first, you know, you spend all your money, you you know, 1002 01:28:13.000 --> 01:28:15.800 mortgage your house and go and basically go bankrupt trying to prove this. 1003 01:28:16.359 --> 01:28:19.960 And then after you do that, then we'll kind of swoop in and then 1004 01:28:20.520 --> 01:28:24.800 you know, oh no, now that we know we can do the way 1005 01:28:24.880 --> 01:28:30.079 it goes, well, that's most inventors. So the way I look at 1006 01:28:30.119 --> 01:28:33.159 it is that I'm writing the book. I know, you know, I'm 1007 01:28:33.239 --> 01:28:38.840 real busy, but I'm writing a book and I'm trying to get this thing 1008 01:28:39.039 --> 01:28:43.760 finished, so that any proceeds that I get from this book, because I 1009 01:28:43.800 --> 01:28:47.159 don't really anticipate anybody giving us any kind of money, and so we're going 1010 01:28:47.199 --> 01:28:50.920 to have to go this alone. And I feel that the book would be, 1011 01:28:51.279 --> 01:28:55.439 you know, with all the accumulation of all the cases and the evidence 1012 01:28:55.479 --> 01:29:00.119 that we have experiments that I'm doing in the lab right now, that the 1013 01:29:00.520 --> 01:29:04.880 book would more than satisfy a lot of people's curiosity and interest, and then 1014 01:29:04.920 --> 01:29:09.600 the proceeds, like I said, from that would then hopefully give us enough 1015 01:29:09.680 --> 01:29:14.159 money. You know, we're looking at you know, we need minimally about 1016 01:29:14.159 --> 01:29:19.439 a quarter million dollars to do this this ongoing research. Well, we're down 1017 01:29:19.640 --> 01:29:25.640 there out of time right now. But thank you so much for coming on 1018 01:29:25.760 --> 01:29:29.000 the show. And I think there's definitely several other topics I'd love to have 1019 01:29:29.159 --> 01:29:32.479 you on again in the future. I'm definitely going to be staying in touch 1020 01:29:32.680 --> 01:29:39.359 and sending you some emails, still look at some stuff for me. But 1021 01:29:39.520 --> 01:29:43.600 it was just great to have you on the show and to meet you for 1022 01:29:43.800 --> 01:29:49.520 the first time virtually hero over the internets. But thank you so much. 1023 01:29:51.439 --> 01:29:58.960 And then Omaha Study Group is where Omaha ufostudygroup dot com is where people can 1024 01:29:59.439 --> 01:30:05.399 go listen to these shows and then find out more exactly. And the Paris 1025 01:30:05.760 --> 01:30:13.239 Weather Research is another website that you can go to and you can read the 1026 01:30:13.319 --> 01:30:16.000 stories that have put together the evidence, the data and all that type of 1027 01:30:16.079 --> 01:30:19.640 thing. And it won't be as good as the book. Yeah, the 1028 01:30:19.680 --> 01:30:24.119 book's going to be great. We'll have you on to tell us about how 1029 01:30:24.199 --> 01:30:29.159 great it is and exciting stuff. Yes, it is, and I do 1030 01:30:29.279 --> 01:30:33.000 appreciate you having me on and it's been a lot of fun anytime we can 1031 01:30:33.039 --> 01:30:39.359 talk about UFO's paranormal space where Hey I am, I'm up there. You 1032 01:30:39.439 --> 01:30:45.119 know, I'm just happier than all get out. What a cool professor. 1033 01:30:45.680 --> 01:30:50.560 If there were more university professors like him, there would be more people with 1034 01:30:51.600 --> 01:30:57.000 degrees out there. So very cool guy. I love that guy. Thank 1035 01:30:57.039 --> 01:31:01.039 you David Parish for being on the show, and thank you all for listening. 1036 01:31:01.560 --> 01:31:06.039 We'll be back again next week. Until then, be sure to visit 1037 01:31:06.159 --> 01:31:12.800 Openminds dot tv and check out ufodailynews dot com and all of our tweets because 1038 01:31:12.800 --> 01:31:17.880 we're tweeting news like crazy. You can see those at the newsfeed at ufodailynews 1039 01:31:17.920 --> 01:31:21.039 dot com. Thanks for joining us and we will talk to you again next 1040 01:31:21.119 --> 01:31:24.000 week. Adio smooth Chachos