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Welcome back to Part two of Disturbing
Disney Movies. Now we are on a

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descent going straight to h E Double
hockey Sticks with Walt Disney. We are

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on a theme park ride with these
four movies. We're gonna do Haunted Mansion,

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The Princess and the Frog, the
Devil and Max Devlin and Monsters,

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inc. So last week we left
off at the House of Blues. Do

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you remember that? But dude,
it's kind of like when you're saying that

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intro, it's like, we're going
on our own mister Toad wild ride exactly

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hockey Sticks they do. We're talking
about House of Blues and the scary dirt

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they brought in. They called it
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mud from. So this is interesting. I wrote in my second book about

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ten years ago Mona, zombies and
rock and roll will blow your mind and

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rock your body. Thetans their body, theetans. Do you know what those

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are? Yes? Scientology. So
I was connecting devil worship, rock and

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roll, scientology, and voodoo and
I had a voodoo era like, not

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that I was doing it, but
I was reading lots of books and studying

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it because It was really fascinating how
ordered it all is. I mean,

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it's not just cutting off chicken's heads
and dancing around. It's very elaborate,

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right, oh, very They have
a whole pantheon, they have a whole

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cosmology, they have a whole law
about the serpent in the rainbow. Yeah.

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So Robert Johnson sold his soul,
it says, at the Highway sixty

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one and forty nine in Clarksdale,
Mississippi. And he is the father of

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rock and roll, right, and
that's where you took the whole trope of

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selling your soul to the devil,
which we're going to cover that and today,

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Yes, in Devil and Max Devlin. So I love it when it's

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the show comes together. But I'm
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I was gonna say, also have
a Princess and the Frog, though we

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got some soul selling and really in
like a lot of Disney movies like yeah,

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Ariel, yeah, yeah, I
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getting heard little midnight romp by extension, you can say, Aladdin getting the

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genie powers, you know, but
anyways, go on, go on.

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But yeah, I love it when
a show comes together with I don't even

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try to connect all these things.
They just do it on their own.

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So this is going to be really
good. I didn't know if you knew

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about like the voodoo coming from Africa
and the New World. It gets mixed

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together with Roman Catholicism and they just
attribute different voodoo gods to the saints of

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Catholicism. That's like the whole Santa
Maria thing, right, Why not like

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Santa oh, Santaria. I know, yeah, Santa Maria is just Saint

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Mary, isn't There Is there any
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like Mary? Yeah? Well yes, I maybe that would be like Ocean

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or one of the female the big
female goddesses. So there's a whole like

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you know how Egyptians have nine gods, yeah, and they're related and then

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they have children. The voodoo pantheon
is like that too, and they also

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have like the good ones and the
bad ones. And then there's also how

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voodoo dovetails into Gnosticism. I don't
know, ye Catholic masks and the vood

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on work book. I remember reading
this old magic book along to you.

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When did voodoo start? When did
it start coming over here? Do you

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know, like centuries wives in the
New World times, you know, Christopher

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Columbus and the slave trade and brought
that so like maybe even before the founding,

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like the founding of the country proper. Oh yeah, so like okay,

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I guess there's two. Let me
put my memory on. Dahomie and

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Benin I think are the two major
centers. And it's called Ruba. And

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so that came over with slaves to
Haiti first and then the Caribbean and then

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like New Orleans and the South.
So that was the way that it got

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here, gotcha right. And the
god of the Crossroads who is papal Legba,

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and he's kind of like a gate
keeper and he is connected to freemasonry

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also, and I also I have
a picture of it looks like a shadow

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man exactly. So he from the
Friends's frog. He would be like a

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called a book wore like a voodoo
priest m okay or you can also call

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him like a human or a mambo
is a female priest and they go through

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like purification rituals. If you want
to become you know, like a voodoo

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priests, you have to wear white
for a whole year. You have to

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cover up all your mirrors. You
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And so the point of this is
to become so powerful that you become possessed

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by the Blowa. They call them
the voodoo spirits. Mmmm. And remember

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I'm sorry, go ahead, no, what we're you gonna say? Oh,

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just just side reference. So that's
the Lowa. There's this comic book

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series back in the nineties called The
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if you could say superhero quote unquote, all right, yeah you did,

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you had the Invisibles, is it? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, right

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that there's a whole forgetting his character
off the time. I have a bit

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literally a voodoo guy who like covered
as a rap artist. Oh yeah,

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the power he had the power of
the loa and the scorpions to like do

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his invisible bidding exactly. Yeah.
So that is what's going on right in

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downtown Disney in House of Blues,
And that is a perfect segue into our

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first movie, which is The Haunted
Mansion. And I it's funny when they

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make movies out of rides. Some
of them are really not good, but

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Pirates of the Caribbean was awesome.
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have there been any other movie rides
or is this number two? Well,

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I don't know. Dumbo was a
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a movie, So definitely Dumbo was
ride, Alison, Wonderland is a ride?

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What else? Even if this is
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say they're not two for two?
Right, Tomorrowland was a movie? Oh

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yeah, yeah, yeah, you
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that was like a park way before
it was a movie. Yeah, movie?

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Yet do they do what movie?
A small world movie? Oh?

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Would that even be? Like I
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us all watching each other on YouTube
all the time, exactly like a black

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mirror small world. Yeah, so
hanned Mansion twenty twenty three. Welcome to

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New Orleans. First words of the
movie. Yes, Soko Voodoo, I

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got a soft spot for New Orleans. I've not been, but I've always

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wanted to it. When I grew
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dixieland jazz, Christmas music. That
was like it really just opened something in

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me, like my love of jazz
and New Orleans. Like I don't know,

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man, I just love the French
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and yeah, so I confess that
silly as this movie was. Esthetically enjoyed

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some of it, some of it, you know, but you've never been,

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no, no, just been all
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I'm the same way as you.
I love the aesthetic of it. I

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think it looks really fun. I
love the jazz music. I've been there

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a couple of times, and God
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four hours in New Orleans for whatever
reason, Like I really want to explore

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and see things, but we get
there and then something happens and we have

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to go. Or one time we
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we had to escape, and as
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would have got flooded, but we
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the last people to get on the
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But it is a a place with
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a tour in one of the old
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they have to be above ground,
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or they're stacked up in little We
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that he bought already for himself,
like a white pyramid. Yeah, and

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they had what who is that voodoo
queen oh Rrie Lobo and her grave was

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there, and people still to this
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or hair bows or whatever, like
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So I thought that was very interesting. But yeah, I meant,

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but they weren't smoked. They were
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do. Like it when the loa
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then they take on the characteristics of
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and then the people are supposed to
bring them things like they prefer their

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they're like brandy or they have different
requests and you know who's there by what

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they want you to bring them.
So wow, crazy, Yeah, So

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welcome to New Orleans. It starts
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yeah, and it is between the
better and Alyssa. Yes, and

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Melissa translates in Greek to the end
of madness A plus l ssa, so

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she will end Ben's madness or so
we'll think, okay, interesting, and

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he is an astro physicist, right
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We're a guide, yeah, and
he just believes we're all dirt quote unquote

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from dirt in the movie. We'll
get to that maim jumping ahead about five

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minutes though. That's okay, we
learned quickly that she dies. Yeah,

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she doesn't spend very much time in
the movie. He says, I'm an

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astrophysicist, and she says, you
mean rocket science and he's like, oh,

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something like that. And he says
he's creating lenses. He's currently working

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on the formula to map dark matter. Yeah, I love spectral photography.

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Yeah, And so he starts going
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you're trying to see the unseen and
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guy spitting uh, you know dark
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Like how many times do you go
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I'm trying to study dark matter?
But like, yeah, sure, really

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fun, sure really fun, this
attractive, but well, you know what

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I thought was really the I thought
it was a bold move in Disney twenty

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twenty three is like basically it's like
two minutes to New Years and She's like

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trying to get a drink and he's
like, here, you want mine.

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She's just like, sure, a
strange guy. I don't know, I'll

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drink your drink. Right, I
thought that too. I was like,

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don't take that drink, girl.
So now we are seeing a marriage between

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science and the paranormal right off the
bat and right away this reminded me of

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angels and demons, and I was
like, is he talking about cern And

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later on the movie he does explicitly
talk about certain right, yes, well,

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here is a kids movie based on
a theme park ride, just a

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haunted house ride. But we are
going deep, deep into like cutting edge

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science, the quantum realm. We're
going in the quantum realm, dark batter

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unseen things. And they start talking
about cathode ray tubes. And I didn't

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know if you had seen in one
of my books I talk about do I

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have it right here or not?
Probably not, But the cathode ray TV

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tube was made by people in the
Golden Dawn who were trying to see on

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the other side. They thought spirits
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is magicians or people with occults,
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technology, and that is there's science
right right. I'll think about how crazy

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the Catholic rain even earlier the radio
was, like I heard this thing where

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like when old timers when the radio
first came out, they literally were like,

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ar no way that you can hear
things through a little box Fromaldish far

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away? You know, yeah,
yeah, just the whole I don't know.

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I don't really have a point point
other than that the mind bogglingness of

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the invisible and man's tempt at trying
to get there through the science and sometimes

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achieving. Frankly, you know it's
slowing up. Indicate right now? Who

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who said that the science, what
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magic? Who said that? Do
you remember? I think it's Iron Man?

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it Arthur Clark or was it one

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of the other guys? Anyways,
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been Arthur C. Clark. Okay, Yeah, So I don't know.

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magic, and that's what we're talking about

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right now, right and before we
just like maybe launching to just go and

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beat there, beat to the movie. I think maybe for me kind of

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the one thing I want to not
really like hit home, but from the

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sort of Christian perspective, is very
much how like these movies. It's like

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they have such good intentions kind of
quote unquote and we're going to do all

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that great spiritual lifting, but it's
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you know, And I think for
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my kind of chicken little running around
saying the sky's falling thing is kind of

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like what are we as Christians to
do with this sort of stuff? Like,

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are we just supposed to maybe really
strengthen our kids in Christian stuff so

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that when they go see these movies
they can pinpoint how this isn't good for

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us for lack of a better word, or do we just kind of like

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let it all go and say it's
all demonic and stupid and hell be damned,

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But you know, it's still making
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know, do we Yeah? I
don't know. So I'm just saying it's

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like these movies are fascinating to me
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I see them as if like I'm
a person who's just kind of a whatever

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Joe Blow not really with a set
belief system, and you think, oh,

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if I just work hard enough on
my science camera, I'll bring my

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loved one back to life. Remember
the whole point of him making the cameras

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to bring her back from the dead. So it's like basically purporting like Frankensteiny

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and Promethean values. If you really
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surface stuff and get to the core
themes, it's like super Promethean, you

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know. And it's just kind of
just like it's not it's not good.

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Yeah, it's like phenomenal cosmic godpowers
that we're not ready for. Right And

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even even if the movie isn't really
hitting that, hope that theme really hard.

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Like it's not a Frankenstein movie per
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has like his quantum camera, we
just as an audience members, let's go,

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oh, quantum camera check, ghost
realm check. Therefore science will get

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us into ghost realm check check.
Moving off, you know, and it

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kind of like all these weird questions
like, well, what is this spiritual

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world if there's angels and ghosts and
demons, but there's no God and just

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kind of like, you know,
it's like, I know, it's just

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a movie that I'm supposed to answer
these things. But we as I think,

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as discerning people, like, hey, let's just say at the very

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least, I don't need to make
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fun trying to analyze these movies because
they're so weirdly and well, they're consistent

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within themselves, but they don't line
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in trying to find that do it
between them if any you know. Well,

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that's why I think it's funny when
people say I follow the science or

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I believe in science. I'm like, you know, all these scientists are

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into like woo woo occult stuff truly, yeah, and just stuff. If

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that doesn't sound scientific, well right, I mean that's something I'm like in

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my thank God the Lord gave me
so much grace at the outset to just

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walk away so easily, but like
in my long repentance from union kind of

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stuff, like you realize it's not
a far leap from scientific trying to be

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discerning an objective to just being totally
ridiculous with the way that like, like

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for instance, like jumping ahead a
little, but when I was trying to

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talk about to myself, trying to
figure out Princess and the Frog, I

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found like mass Woman's kind of got
a lot going on that I could watch

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and try to figure out blah blah
blah blah blah, and kind of using

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all my like union labels of like
shadow and the anima and trying to like

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you know, make it all work. And I just realized, like it

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just kind of hit me, like
there's this whole on one camp esoteric speculation

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theory using our esoteric decoder ring where
we have to like figure everything out and

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then there's which is revealed to us. That's what it is, you know,

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and like gospel has been revealed to
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like available from eight year olds to
eighty eight year olds. You know,

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there's a level of way this truth
is revealed that everybody can understand. You

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can also go deeper, but with
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you have to like, like you
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this to the scientists being into all
the occult It's like they have to have

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all this jargon and labels and terms
for everything that they're applying into the spiritual

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world, casting like a net upon
it of terms and definitions. And it's

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just kind of like funny because I
can interpret these movies sort of trying to

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use that like, well, this
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another level, it's like, dude, just don't mess with voodoo doctors,

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like, don't go into ghost houses. You know, it's pretty straightforward.

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I'm trying contact the dead. It's
not a good idea. Yeah. I

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was talking to my priest for like
alluding to kind of like kind of get

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some questions about ghosts and spirits and
stuff, and he didn't say much other

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than yes, yes, we're believe
in ghosts. Read about Samuel and Saul

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and David and in that story,
and it's kind of ambiguous, which giving

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him vigeous answer, But he definitely
said be careful conjuring dead loved ones.

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It's basically always going to be always
going to be demons if you go that

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route. Yeah, there was a
story in South America about a group of

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girls who are playing with the Weiji
board and they all end up in the

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hospital. It was that a while
ago or just within the last two months,

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I think, wow, because Weji
board has been around for quite quite

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a while. So yes, this
is what we are. The subject matter

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that children are expected to be able
to follow, cern quantum mechanics, dark

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matter, voodoo. And the wife
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That always happens in a Disney movie. The matriarch has to pass away because

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we've got to go looking for our
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the fia has got to get found, right, And there's a Sophia

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symbol later on in this movie.
But so she was the one who believed

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in the paranormal. He was the
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standpoint. I believe in the material
world and what I can prove, what

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I can see. That's why he
needs a camera to prove that there's ghost

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right right. He needs it further. He needs an extension of himself to

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buttress between him. He needs the
outer himself so that he's not really him

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directly exposed to the spiritual world like
she is. You know, he needs

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his little his extended eye, his
eye to really see it, you know,

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because he can't see Wow, I'm
gotta blown away by that. The

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interesting symbolism there, Like he needs
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so he needs his like you know, extended technical I right, otherwise

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he's a nonbeliever. Yeah, he
can't. He can only see the spirit

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roll through technology, which in a
weird way is like I hate to say

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it, that's like what we all
do too, Like in a weird way,

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you and I are both disembodied to
one another right now talking over then.

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Yeah, I didn't even want to
call him the air waves because like

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what is it? You know?
Yeah, it's like literally going yeah,

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ethernets in the WiFi. Yeah,
yeah, the invisible domain is connecting us.

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So he has taken over her job
after she passed away. Now he's

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the ghost tour guide, but he
sucks at it because he is bitter part

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Yeah, he's part in it.
This is where this is where he gives

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his line that we're all dirt.
M what does he say says ghosts don't

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exist, it's just dirt. We're
all dirt, And he gets super aggro.

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Yeah, we're all star stuff,
right, because when you're star stuff,

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you become totally buttard at the end
of the day when love leads you

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because you're not going to see them
in the you know, in heaven later

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exactly right, right, and well, and he was tortured because the last

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thing he said to her was kind
of cold. Oh yeah, yeah,

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you're jumping ahead in the film,
but right, it was what do you

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remember exactly what he said. She
asked him to come with her somewhere and

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he said, no, I can't, I'm busy, and she ended up

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so but yeah, so he's got
a lot going on, and he is

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visited by Owen Wilson. Yeah who
we should we spill the beans now and

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say he's a priest but not priest. Yeah, I thought this was pretty

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funny. He calls himself father Kent. Yeah. Right, But again,

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they're just on Roman Catholic stuff.
We kind of hurt Knox were sort of

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off the hook here on this because
they're really just making the Catholics, which

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I don't mean that's like good for
them beating him up, just kind of

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like, man, that's what's going
on, you know? Or Father Ken's

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give me the butt of so many
jokes in this movie. Well, what

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they were saying, and this is
what really drove the point home about Angels

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and Demons because that was about the
Vatican incern Yeah, right, have you

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read Dan brown novel I've seen.
No, Actually I have read Angels and

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Demons. I didn't see. Yes, I saw that one and read it.

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That's the only one of them that
actually did read. So that's about

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the search for anti matter also,
and in this movie, I feel like

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Ohen Wilson's character was kind of like
saying that God's representative is ineffective and kind

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of shady. Yeah, not only
that, he refers to himself as coach

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Kent at a certain point and just
kind of saying like, yeah, I'm

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not even a priest here. Because
like what I was trying to say in

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my little rant earlier about how these
movies are interesting spiritual things because we as

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Orthodox Christians can either look at them
and kind of do apologetics for them and

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stuff, or look at them be
like, you know, if this was

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a pagan religion in the first century
and we were Christians in the first century,

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this would be our rival religion for
sure, And so at some level,

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would I noticed this movie doing like
super underhandedly or blatantly was putting the

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psychic as more powerful than the priest, and like, wh I'm trying to

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say this from our orthodox perspective.
If you're to watch this movie, it's

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like, well, obviously the priests
would go in there, do the exorcism,

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stay there as many nights as need
be, and all the ghosts would

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be gone because ghosts have no power
over Jesus, you know. And it's

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like all the priests has to do
is is priest stuff, and that place

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would be good to go. We
wouldn't have a movie, you know,

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because it'd be so boring on some
level. Not trying to say exorcisms are

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boring, you know, but you
know what I'm saying, like it would

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be boring because the priests would win, right, Crisis already defeated the demons.

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So they make the priests like lower
than the psychic, which again is

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kind of like saying magic is higher
up than prayer materialism, which you know,

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between you, Like, I know
somebody can listening to this, we'll

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be saying I'm making a leap saying
a psychic as a materialist. But I

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think you know what I'm saying in
terms of like psychics and medium still sort

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of being in that same world views
you know, the modern world. Basically,

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it's just like science is spiritual sciences, spirituality is like mediumism on some

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level. Yeah, same coin.
Yeah, So I'm saying, is this

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movie kind of in the end affirms
that side magic, Disney magic more than

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Christian prayer. But what do we
expect, right Jamie? What should we

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expect? Oh? Yeah, I
would expect nothing less than the just the

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spirit world triumphs over the spirit world
in a different than two other comments on

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the priest, and then we could
just move on. I thought, I

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actually think it's kind of funny,
but it's also kind of like these sad

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moments where he prays. He's like, I think you should say a prayer,

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and he's like, oh God,
give us a break, you know,

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like I'm so lovely saying Lord have
mercy. But on another level,

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he's just got, you know,
no no real faith kind of in what

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he was doing. And then at
the end when he basically praises or does

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a prayer something in the name of
Kent rather than in the name of the

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Father's trying in the Holy Spirit.
And I was like, oh wow,

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Yeah, And so in a way, I feel like they're saying that Christianity

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is a con or, you know, prett conment because the priest call Yeah,

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not only are there the comment because
he's such a jokester, but the

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priest calls the physicists. He's like, h I think this is a job

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for you. M M exactly.
So God needs help from science this movie.

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Yea. And so he did manage
the main character Ben the Black Eye.

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He did manage to invent a camera
to see the ghost particle, right,

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Yeah, I love that. And
this is I guess a metaphor for

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the God particle what they were looking
for at CERN, because at that point

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they do say that he did work
at CERN at one point. Yeah.

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So it's funny. I remember years
and years ago, the God particle being

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that whole thing. They built CERN
for it, right like the atom,

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and try to find what happens when
they do that dark matter. Well,

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what they said was they were trying
to make baby big bangs to see what

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would have what had happened at the
beginning of the universe. I'm pretty sure

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God built himself a laboratory at the
beginning of the universe. Yes, bang,

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he built a giant particle collider and
he put a statue of Shiva out

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in front. That's true. Actually
there is a statue of she found in

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front of CERN. I remember when
they they did some kind of ceremonies at

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CERN also that were very pagan ritual
looking like the Olympics. And when they

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opened that tunnel remember the Gothard Tunnel
ceremonies. Did you ever see that?

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No? One of those. Just
look that up on your own time.

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So when they do these things in
Europe, they always have these very like

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Wickerman pagan Norse type plays and ceremonies
that you they're fun to decode. But

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so there's Cern, there's the Catholic
Church, there's the God Particle. They're

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talking about quantum lenses. And Ben
has to go investigate the single mom Rosario

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Dawson's house because she has moved into
the Haunted House, like the Haunted House

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from Disneyland. Right, Yeah,
and you think it's spend like ins we're

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just doing commentary. It's kind of
like what what did her ripe mind?

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I know she wants to do a
bed and breakfast, but like, I

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mean, come on, dude,
did you like Google photos that place before

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you? Yeah? Right, you
must have got that a really good deal

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on that thing. Yeah really,
Oh I think she did say something like

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that, right, but something yeah. Yeah. So she invites him to

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investigate, and he doesn't believe her, and he leaves, and that's when

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he realizes that he is still haunted
from being at her house. This was

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an interesting conceit. The ghosts leave
the mansion to bring people back to it,

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like they're like the hitchhiking They're kind
of like those hitchhiker ghosts from the

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right are exactly that, And that
always creeped me out, Like every time

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I went on the Haunted Mansion ride
and you go through the end of it

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and you see them sitting there with
you and being and they're coming home with

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you. You grew up ahead,
you grew up in Soco. Yeah yeah,

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going to Disneyland. Yeah, that's
what we're saying before. Yeah,

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you know, it's funny. I
I think it's like a SOCW thing,

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this Disney stuff, because like I'm
as I talked to people where I'm from

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now, and like people never grew
up around SOCOW in the Hollywood world for

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lack of a better word, like
they don't seem to get it in the

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same way, you know, and
Lord have mercy on them and God bless

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them. But I'm just kind of
like, man, there's just something about

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like everybody's born at a certain time
and place with things that affect them,

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you know, and being born in
Soko going to Disneyland, really, I

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think it's done a number on my
human psyche, to be honest, definitely.

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Why. I mean, why do
you think I have all these books

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and talk about Disney. I spent
so much time there as a tour guide,

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even just outside of the park.
Well, you can roam around inside,

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you can do whatever you want while
you're waiting for whatever group you brought

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to do what they're gonna do.
Like a tour though, like you did

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tour guides for I didn't work for
Disney, but Disneyland on my tour.

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So like you take at them and
get them in there, and you give

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them their lunch ticket and then you
pick them up at six And I had,

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00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:14,920
you know, the all day to
do what I want, but I

406
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:21,440
have to stay in the park area. So I have a lot of experience

407
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:32,640
just hanging out at Disney looking at
things slowly finding the secret corners and spots.

408
00:32:32,839 --> 00:32:38,920
So I spent a lot of time
there. Yeah. Wow, and

409
00:32:39,039 --> 00:32:43,559
I always hated the hitchhiking ghosts,
like they gave me the heb gbs.

410
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:46,839
That's funny. Hey, speaking of
heb gbs, there's some scary moments in

411
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:52,279
this movie. Yeah, parents,
definitely, I'd say TGD eleven if you're

412
00:32:52,279 --> 00:32:55,680
bringing your kids in there. Oh, there are some creepy, creepy ghosts.

413
00:32:57,759 --> 00:33:00,720
And Jared Leto was the main our
demon. Wasn't he the bag ye

414
00:33:00,799 --> 00:33:04,480
if you don't really looked like him
though, it kind of looked like CGI

415
00:33:04,599 --> 00:33:08,920
ghost face. It was mostly CG
him. Okay, So they follow Ben

416
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:14,359
home and he's got these like ghosts
with They say, they're like bedbugs,

417
00:33:14,519 --> 00:33:22,039
like you can't get rid of them, right right, and the house traps

418
00:33:22,079 --> 00:33:24,279
you there, and so they have
to go to the psychic, the medium.

419
00:33:24,599 --> 00:33:29,759
The she's not a voodoo priestess,
but she's kind of in the same

420
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:34,400
she's like a yeah, yeah,
yeah, she's in the category. She's

421
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:38,359
just kind of like she's like TV
to cinema. She's not as cool.

422
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,880
Well these days TV is better.
Back in the day, she would have

423
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:44,880
been like a TV star instead of
a movie star. Right, She's not

424
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:50,599
bad, She's she's like b B
ranking So they get her, and this

425
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:54,559
is where the team starts to become
effective. So they've got your defunct priest

426
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:59,720
or not even a priest, which
we don't know this till the very end

427
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:04,279
of the movie. Yeah, we're
like, wow, you're a single mom,

428
00:34:04,519 --> 00:34:10,000
your son with no father. You're
the important serialist. What that'll be

429
00:34:10,039 --> 00:34:15,239
important later on because well, anyways, we'll get to what we get to

430
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,039
it. But yeah, we have
our astrophysicists, materialists, and then our

431
00:34:17,119 --> 00:34:22,039
history professor. Oh Danny, I
forgot he was in that. Yeah,

432
00:34:22,119 --> 00:34:28,559
yeah, you gotta have the facts. And you're like, what's her name,

433
00:34:28,599 --> 00:34:32,599
miss Cleo? Remember that called me? Now? Oh yeah, psychic

434
00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:36,400
miss Cleo. Yep, so she
miss Cleo. I forgot her name,

435
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:40,000
but I'm just going to refer her
as miss Leo. Now they're getting somewhere

436
00:34:40,079 --> 00:34:46,639
and they figure out that there had
been a suicide in the mansion and sixty

437
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:54,400
six people died there, right,
And it's interesting that they say this number

438
00:34:54,519 --> 00:35:01,920
sixty six m because this is the
number of the dark side in the Cabala.

439
00:35:02,199 --> 00:35:07,119
Really yeah, so like you know
how you have the tree of life

440
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:09,159
and then they have a shadow side
of the tree of life. You should

441
00:35:09,159 --> 00:35:15,880
know this. You're all about shadow
Side. I never got I basically converted

442
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:19,360
saved before I had to ever get
into that. Yeah good, I'm just

443
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,760
kidding. But yeah, So there's
true life in the shadow Side, and

444
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,960
that's where the demons hang out.
They're called the Clee Fought, and their

445
00:35:27,039 --> 00:35:30,719
number is sixty six. I think
even forgive me nerds out there, I

446
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:36,000
think even in Star Wars World,
sixty six is like a bad number because

447
00:35:36,039 --> 00:35:38,360
that's like, yeah, yeah,
yeah, execute order sixty six and then

448
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:42,679
they all kill skad Jedi. That's
it. That's the yeah, all right,

449
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,320
because I used to meet that too. As an example, what yeah,

450
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:49,719
except for the one chicken the new
show who apparently got sick. Yeah,

451
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,679
we don't even get to go into
that. So they're throwing out,

452
00:35:53,719 --> 00:36:00,000
you know, cabala numbers. I
don't. I'm not a big numerology person,

453
00:36:00,119 --> 00:36:02,119
but I knew I do know the
big one sixty six six six six

454
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:06,159
ninety three those times you know,
well, it's funny, like I'm not

455
00:36:06,199 --> 00:36:10,079
really big into numerology either, but
meaning something I know for a fact in

456
00:36:10,199 --> 00:36:14,440
numerology, I'm not trying to be
like, dude, check this out.

457
00:36:14,519 --> 00:36:16,880
It means it's true, but in
numerology it's always about ten. Right.

458
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:22,079
Once you get to ten, everything
starts over. So it's like if a

459
00:36:22,159 --> 00:36:25,199
digit is Because I think about this
jumping ahead to Max Devlin, because the

460
00:36:25,199 --> 00:36:30,360
motocross guy his number is nineteen,
it's kind of like nineteen, is there

461
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,280
anything there? And I'm just look, I don't want to say this is

462
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:37,199
like my cool interpretation, send me
a check, but saying oh, this

463
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,079
is literally what somebody with a base
level numerology thing when says to say,

464
00:36:40,119 --> 00:36:45,599
oh, one plus nine, that's
ten. Ten is the perfect number of

465
00:36:45,639 --> 00:36:51,840
alchemy. Therefore motor cross guy is
somehow, you know, the alchemist because

466
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:57,320
he gets the devil power be the
best motocross guy. You know, just

467
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:00,159
saying yeah, I don't know much
about numerology either, but there's some base

468
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:04,679
things that are that are right,
little things in the tool kit you should

469
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,199
know about, Yeah, fidgets,
Yeah, definitely, the big ones you

470
00:37:07,199 --> 00:37:09,880
should know because they do come up
again and again. You should know.

471
00:37:10,119 --> 00:37:14,760
I mean in reference to ghosts,
like a movie about dead people and haunted

472
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:20,159
things, and because they do say
that those on the dark side street of

473
00:37:20,159 --> 00:37:24,039
life are like shells. They call
them are ghosts, right, and six

474
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:30,400
six one six is also a six
six six. It's the same same thing.

475
00:37:30,079 --> 00:37:34,400
And I can't go into all of
it because I honestly I don't remember

476
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:38,480
it all. But like in Greco
Roman Hebrew numerology back in the day when

477
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:45,000
they're passing around revelation six one six
was basically equal to six six six as

478
00:37:45,079 --> 00:37:52,039
a as a thing as well.
Oh okay, you ever seen through the

479
00:37:52,079 --> 00:37:58,280
medium, miss Cleo. They find
out out that there was some psychic activity

480
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:04,760
going on in the day's past,
and that is what opened the floodgates to

481
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,239
all of these ghosts being attracted to
this house. Yeah. Well, and

482
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:12,920
most importantly I thought about that was
that it's the frequency of him doing it.

483
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,880
It was like, right, remember
he did seances every day for a

484
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:20,440
year. This is all in flashbacks
we're getting. But he was flash flashbacks.

485
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:24,639
He was getting he was getting flashbacks
of his ghost tripping. And that's

486
00:38:24,679 --> 00:38:30,320
what caused him all to break through, is because he was what's the what

487
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:34,800
could be a metaphor anyways, he
was rubber. He was rubbing down his

488
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:39,920
sort of his buffer. Yes,
totally, they were spinning the membrane between

489
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:43,480
the world. There you go.
That's what I was looking for. And

490
00:38:44,039 --> 00:38:46,519
it's kind of funny you bring that
up, because remember earlier ghost Cleo ladies,

491
00:38:46,519 --> 00:38:52,119
she talks about ghost winks, how
they're like an interface between the dimensions,

492
00:38:52,199 --> 00:38:57,760
and it's got like the Venn diagram
with the best pisces. Yeah.

493
00:38:58,039 --> 00:39:00,719
Nice. Yeah, I was gonna
mention that too. Yeah, a little

494
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:07,039
symbol in there, but not really, you know, not only did they

495
00:39:07,119 --> 00:39:13,840
have that. She's explaining she's trying
to illustrate the realms of the living and

496
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,320
the dead, and she's yeah,
she puts the circles like here, here's

497
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:20,480
the living, here's the dead,
here's us. We're like in the middle,

498
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:24,320
right, And this is an esoteric
agnostic symbol, the vesticle pisces,

499
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:30,559
which is like the portal to the
material world because it's the female genital m.

500
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:38,559
And then I noticed in the foyer, when you come into the very

501
00:39:38,599 --> 00:39:44,119
front door, you've got that circumpunct. Did you see that a little?

502
00:39:44,199 --> 00:39:46,239
I mean it's the target logo.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I

503
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:52,559
didn't see that. Yes, So
I talked about this a lot and relation

504
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:58,079
to like, it's really important to
the Illuminati because it's a symbol, it's

505
00:39:58,079 --> 00:40:06,599
a solar symbol. Let's go yeah
unt, yeah, okay, got you

506
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:12,480
right down circumpunct because Dan Brown also
wrote an entire novel about that, and

507
00:40:12,559 --> 00:40:17,400
Freemasonry called it the Lost Symbol.
So yeah, basically the target logo is

508
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:22,000
in astrology, it's solar logo.
Yeah. In the Ilumnati it was a

509
00:40:22,039 --> 00:40:30,199
symbol of fire, and it is
also a symbol of androgyny, with the

510
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:37,840
point being the male, in the
circle being the female and moad what right,

511
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:42,760
Plainly it looks like an eyeball too. Yeah. Yeah, and it's

512
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:47,960
also like you know, the Pythagorean
monad, So it's got a lot going

513
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:52,559
on, right, It's not just
a target, it's it's very That's what

514
00:40:52,639 --> 00:40:55,320
I'm saying. That's what I'm saying
about. That's what I'm saying about speculative,

515
00:40:55,719 --> 00:41:00,599
esoteric decoder ring stuff. We gotta
do versus review, yield truth.

516
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:06,000
Where it all in our symbolism is
like, I mean, there's a lot

517
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,320
of poetry about the cross being certain
things, but on some level it's like

518
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:15,559
it doesn't warrant so many webs of
associated names of what it might be because

519
00:41:15,559 --> 00:41:19,119
every one of those is sort of
like a hyperlink you and click and then

520
00:41:19,199 --> 00:41:22,079
find out way more and more and
more and more and more, and yeah,

521
00:41:22,119 --> 00:41:24,280
it's just an interesting I'm trying to
I guess was kind of having this

522
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:29,079
revelation the other day of kind of
like it's like we almost have these light

523
00:41:29,119 --> 00:41:31,760
switches in our head that we can
switch between ways of seeing things, and

524
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:35,840
when we see something like the circumpunct, you know, and it's sort of

525
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:44,000
mysterious surface and some of them warrants
so many more dreamy day dream associations.

526
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,639
You could say in a way that
like we don't really have a set definition

527
00:41:46,679 --> 00:41:51,239
of what it is where there's a
lot of other symbols i'd say, frankly

528
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,840
in the Christian tradition that are so
simple, you know, even a six

529
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:58,599
year old understands them. It's just
kind of like, wow, one brings

530
00:41:58,639 --> 00:42:01,000
me a lot more piece and clarity, the other one makes me confused,

531
00:42:01,079 --> 00:42:07,079
and oh yeah, you never get
to the bottom of it, right,

532
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:14,360
right, because it can also be
a binary thing like computer one in zero

533
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:23,320
right right, which also cabala can
beget into Daoism being yeah, and the

534
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:31,039
two pillars anyways, exactly. So
we've got all of these psychics and mediums

535
00:42:31,079 --> 00:42:37,480
in the Haunted Mansion the Madame Leota
was the one trapped in the crystal ball.

536
00:42:37,559 --> 00:42:39,679
That was the Jamie Lee Curtis character. So you've got the old medium

537
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:45,360
and the new medium working. Yeah, and not only that, the new

538
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:50,000
medium. See it's a little stuff
like this, Like I'm imagining. I'm

539
00:42:50,039 --> 00:42:52,599
like an eight year old kid and
I love Halloween and then you watch this

540
00:42:52,639 --> 00:42:53,639
movie and you're like, oh,
how to do that? Or I can't

541
00:42:53,679 --> 00:42:57,039
wait till I get old and I
get to do that or something. And

542
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:01,920
so what she does is she likes
astral like she lets herself be possessed by

543
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:09,360
matt Yoda. Yeah. And also
earlier they call astral production reverse seancing.

544
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:16,599
Yes, remember and remember we talked
about Mickey astral projecting in Fantasia. Yes,

545
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:22,159
that's right. And now you have
Miss Cleo astral projecting. And she

546
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:27,239
finds out that the dude who originally
owned the mansion had opened the floodgates to

547
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:30,639
the ghost realm and all of like
hundreds of spirits came back, but not

548
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:35,360
his dead wife because he just wanted
to talk to his wife. But he

549
00:43:35,519 --> 00:43:37,519
accidentally led in like all the other
ghosts. And I was laughing because I'm

550
00:43:37,559 --> 00:43:44,199
like, what even zone is this
like widow zone, you know, right

551
00:43:44,679 --> 00:43:46,239
right, That's what I'm saying.
You gotta be careful when you're getting in

552
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:52,480
the spirit world because you don't really
know what you're calling upon. When we

553
00:43:52,559 --> 00:43:54,519
pray, we pray to Lord Jesus
Christ, and you know, the saints

554
00:43:54,519 --> 00:43:59,639
and the Mother of God. But
like in magic world, may ill just

555
00:43:59,639 --> 00:44:02,559
shift. Maybe I'll just show you
it now, this isn't my picture,

556
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:07,400
Okay, all right, so I'll
get a little closer. We have we

557
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:12,119
have our magician, yes, and
he see he's in magic world. So

558
00:44:12,159 --> 00:44:15,559
he sends his will up and he
gets whatever comes from the force, and

559
00:44:15,599 --> 00:44:17,800
he's like surrounded in it, and
the two are sort of linked. And

560
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:21,559
in a way, it looks like
a good image because well, one,

561
00:44:21,599 --> 00:44:23,800
he's got his cool hat and pointy
boots. Looks kind of cool. But

562
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:28,360
he it seems like a good thing
because you have your source of life,

563
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,239
you know, whatever that may be, and you're linked up to it and

564
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:34,320
you're getting it. But the other
hand, you don't really know what's going

565
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:36,800
on with that. And I'll say
a little more when we get to the

566
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:39,199
voodoo stuff later, because I have
some notes on magic versus prayer that will

567
00:44:39,199 --> 00:44:43,320
make it a little clear. Okay, I'll just read them down. But

568
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,199
so that makes kind of what this
is going on. We're prayer. You

569
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:50,360
basically have God giving you a gift. This is God's will, This is

570
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,880
his gift he gives you, and
you can do what you want with it.

571
00:44:52,519 --> 00:44:55,599
Or do you want to accept it
and open your little gift and receive

572
00:44:55,639 --> 00:45:00,599
what God has given you in your
prayer because he's like's yeah, or you

573
00:45:00,599 --> 00:45:02,960
don't need to open it. But
magic, you don't really have the same

574
00:45:04,039 --> 00:45:07,440
choice. So that's what I'm trying
to say, is like in this situation

575
00:45:07,559 --> 00:45:12,920
is like in the magic chordal door
or opening, just like what monsters incs.

576
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:16,159
You don't know what's going to be
on the other side exactly. And

577
00:45:16,639 --> 00:45:21,920
so what you hit upon was something
I was trying to write about when before

578
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:27,079
I became orthodox, I wasn't going
to church at all, but I was

579
00:45:27,119 --> 00:45:30,880
studying out of magic and they say
you have to write your own system if

580
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:34,239
you want to be a true magician, you have to think of your own

581
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:37,760
magic and you know, write it
up and have a treaty stuffing. Right,

582
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:43,760
I probably did something near that myself, and what I called it was

583
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:50,280
slack magic because I was like,
Okay, if I can get anything I

584
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:53,880
want in the material world by using
these formulas or whatever, that kind of

585
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:59,840
limits me to only the things that
I can think about. And I want

586
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:02,400
to be open to surprises. I
want to be open to gifts, like

587
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:07,719
you said, I want to be
open to God's will and co creating a

588
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:14,760
life that gives me things that I
couldn't even They're better than what I could

589
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:20,079
even dream of, right right,
because God is so outside of time anyways

590
00:46:20,199 --> 00:46:24,360
that he already knows what he's gonna
give us. Sorry, I can't talk

591
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:28,400
about time. I start getting too
tripped out trying to zoom the camera at

592
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:36,119
that far but h thing. Yeah, so I totally lost my thread there

593
00:46:36,119 --> 00:46:40,079
forgiving me how to how to meta
cosmic moment. But when we pray to

594
00:46:40,119 --> 00:46:43,679
God for what we want, it's
kind of like pointless because it's like God

595
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:46,119
already is just gonna I don't say
God's gonna do what God's gonna do because

596
00:46:46,119 --> 00:46:52,400
that gives the wrong impression. But
it's kind of like you gotta be really

597
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:57,760
careful what you're praying for, because
God will open doors for you. It's

598
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,199
almost better than to have doors closed. Because you get all these doors open

599
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,239
that you want to go through,
you may have to go through a lot

600
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:06,679
more to get what you want,
you know, and so many ways.

601
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:08,239
That's why we just pray God,
let your will be done, and have

602
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:12,719
mercy on me, you know,
like whatever needs to happen for us to

603
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:16,840
happen, just do it with love
and kindness, you know, rather than

604
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:21,920
what I really want to make happen, you know, right. And it's

605
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:23,920
so much effort, Like that's what
I was finding out. When you study

606
00:47:24,039 --> 00:47:30,480
ritual magic, it's like your entire
life you can spend learning how to do

607
00:47:30,519 --> 00:47:35,800
these things the perfect way. And
it's just like with me, never underestimate

608
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:40,760
how much I cannot be bothered to
put effort into something. That's why I

609
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:45,840
want God's will because it's so much
work just to get your will all the

610
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:52,119
time. And I'm a water sign, like we talked about, I want

611
00:47:52,119 --> 00:47:54,519
to go up the flow. I
don't want to. I like working hard,

612
00:47:54,559 --> 00:47:58,639
but I don't want to work hard. Does that make sense? Yes?

613
00:47:59,119 --> 00:48:01,000
Yeah, I don't my labor,
but I don't want it to be

614
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:08,079
tedious effort for no like uh little
reward. And so I made this thing

615
00:48:08,119 --> 00:48:15,639
called slack magic. And this is
why I don't sell this book anymore.

616
00:48:16,639 --> 00:48:22,559
Huh, go a little higher?
Yeah, because I was trying to put

617
00:48:22,559 --> 00:48:29,639
together like principles of Christianity plus what
is it called Church of the SubGenius and

618
00:48:29,679 --> 00:48:32,719
my own I was gonna ask if
you've heard of Bob Dobbs and slack.

619
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:38,519
That's why it was slack magic,
because I don't want to do all of

620
00:48:38,559 --> 00:48:43,039
these magic formulas. I don't want
to work for the devil. I don't

621
00:48:43,039 --> 00:48:47,440
want to like sweat of my brow
for evil. So what was one of

622
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:52,440
your techniques you had? Okay?
So it's like one was have no fear

623
00:48:54,320 --> 00:49:01,280
because like fear leads to hey,
and I was talking about like instead of

624
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:07,000
paranoia, you should have pronoia,
like believe like positive vibes, okay,

625
00:49:07,039 --> 00:49:14,280
instead of fearful vibes. The next
one was everything is play, Like if

626
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:20,920
you think of things as a game, it's not that serious, like Mary

627
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:24,039
Poppins is some little sugar type right
exactly, because think about anything you're working

628
00:49:24,079 --> 00:49:29,639
on. When your whole person I
hate the word personality because it sounds so

629
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:34,400
psychological, but when your whole personhood, when your whole personage is involved in

630
00:49:34,519 --> 00:49:37,639
something. It doesn't feel like work. It does feel like play. Even

631
00:49:37,639 --> 00:49:40,840
if you are something you know,
I mean, even if you're digging a

632
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:45,280
hole, if you're thinking of it
like a child or a dog or something

633
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:50,800
like we're digging a hole like this
is you know that work is only work

634
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:53,000
when part of you is divided,
you know, and your friends. And

635
00:49:54,159 --> 00:49:59,039
I was talking about some things in
the tow and the Sufi and how they,

636
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:04,199
you know, advise people who have
to do labor. So I was

637
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:08,079
reading a lot of Eastern mysticism.
M yeah, so that was one of

638
00:50:08,119 --> 00:50:15,239
them. Everything's play. Number three
was like gratitude is so important. Number

639
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:20,960
four was like have faith. Number
five don't force it, use the force.

640
00:50:22,519 --> 00:50:25,239
It's funny because these are all things
and I in a very good way,

641
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:30,480
endearing way that are very christian Esque, you know. It was very

642
00:50:30,519 --> 00:50:37,639
what is that word when you mash
all of the perennial Yes, beIN cretistic,

643
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:44,840
Yeah yeah, syncretism. Yeah,
let's be really you know, most

644
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:50,199
people that are looking for spirituality in
the Western world that aren't. I mean,

645
00:50:50,199 --> 00:50:53,599
I'm just gonna say Orthodox could find
other Christian too. Other Christian dominations

646
00:50:53,639 --> 00:50:59,880
include weird mystic stuff. In them
that aren't the tradition. But anybody that

647
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:04,880
is basically looking for spirituality in our
times, it isn't I'm gonna be bold

648
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:08,599
and sack. It isn't orthodox.
They're gonna have some sort of syncreti syncretistic

649
00:51:09,119 --> 00:51:14,079
religion. Yeah, not like mean
to say so, it's just like how

650
00:51:14,159 --> 00:51:17,639
many people do you know yourself,
including myself included? That was like swimming

651
00:51:17,679 --> 00:51:22,960
in those waters, you know.
Yeah, yep, so I was about

652
00:51:22,039 --> 00:51:25,519
late and our Disney films are in
those waters, that's what we're saying,

653
00:51:25,559 --> 00:51:30,599
and on our show here that yeah, because they appear wholesome on the surface,

654
00:51:30,679 --> 00:51:36,159
but when you get drilled down,
it's not that awesome. Yeah,

655
00:51:36,199 --> 00:51:39,239
we'll get to that when we get
the Princess and the frog like great.

656
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:45,480
Yeah. So here's what I thought
was interesting when the old dude had like

657
00:51:45,519 --> 00:51:52,039
the hundred seances and he opened the
realms to make the house haunted, the

658
00:51:52,159 --> 00:51:59,880
ghosts try to get him to un
alive himself. Yeah, I was trying

659
00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:05,079
to reflect. I was reflecting on
this, and like the simplest authentic answer

660
00:52:05,079 --> 00:52:07,000
I could give without being overwordy,
is like, that's what demons do,

661
00:52:07,199 --> 00:52:13,119
right exactly. Yeah, that's what
they'll do. So that's their whole point

662
00:52:13,159 --> 00:52:17,119
of what they're doing to like when
you contact them, that is their goal

663
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:24,679
because people who un alive themselves are
punished in eternity. I'm not punished,

664
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:30,719
but I'd like, you can't do
that. Yeah, that's that scary stuff.

665
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:34,800
And I will try to extrapolate here
that's like the quote unquote scary Thing's

666
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:37,960
not quote unquote it isn't scary about
our faith as Orthodox as we believe that

667
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:43,679
people that un alive themselves do go
straight there and there's not really any hope

668
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:47,199
for them. Yeah. Pretty like
it's honestly beyond me to talk about on

669
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:52,599
a YouTube podcast. So yeah,
it's really heavy stuff. But I mean,

670
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:55,639
on that note, with this film, I thought it was interesting about

671
00:52:55,639 --> 00:53:00,519
all that too, because around that
time, bad demon guy box Enemy,

672
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:05,960
he basically tries to get Jumping ahead. He tries to get them to give

673
00:53:06,039 --> 00:53:08,840
up their souls so that he can
have his one thousand soul in the Hunted

674
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:14,000
Attention and close up shop and just
make it I don't know, ghost Factory

675
00:53:14,119 --> 00:53:21,239
forever or something. But what I
thought was crazy was like the bad guy

676
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:23,960
realizes he can't get the main character, so he goes after a little boy

677
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:31,519
who's also grieving because he's lost his
father, Rosario's baby boy. And he

678
00:53:31,559 --> 00:53:34,440
was a little bit of a man. I gotta say he was here.

679
00:53:34,519 --> 00:53:37,639
He was nine, I think they
said, because they made a joke.

680
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:44,039
What you have to like he was
fifteen. Well, they made a joke

681
00:53:44,119 --> 00:53:45,679
about his age. Like she's like, is he old enough to hear all

682
00:53:45,679 --> 00:53:51,320
this stuff? And she says something
mature and they're like, no, he's

683
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:53,760
not old enough, and she's like, he's old enough. Yeah. Yeah,

684
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:58,320
man, that's the wholy thing in
this world. Like kids apparently are

685
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:02,199
just like super old and it's okay
to just expose them to anything, right.

686
00:54:04,039 --> 00:54:10,199
But my one note on this really
was that basically Lakeith Stanfield tells the

687
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:13,519
other little kid that he's like,
hey, hey, don't listen to the

688
00:54:13,519 --> 00:54:16,039
evil ghosts. You and I can
be miserable together forever. You know,

689
00:54:16,159 --> 00:54:20,199
you, I could share your You
and I can wallow in our misery together.

690
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:24,679
And my one little bumper sticker was
bad demon feeds on grief, but

691
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:31,480
humans wallow in it together. Because
it was kind of again these weird messages

692
00:54:31,519 --> 00:54:35,960
that these films these days, and
it's like, I confess I went online

693
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:38,519
a little and it's kind of checked
out some like Disney fan reviews of this

694
00:54:38,599 --> 00:54:45,719
movie and what people that are very
much I would say, not really forgive

695
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:50,440
me Lord, don't have a very
nuanced spirituality at least in their public persona

696
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:53,119
of what they're talking about with their
Disney fan boyism. A lot of them

697
00:54:53,119 --> 00:54:59,039
are saying how how happy they were
that it talks about grief and how to

698
00:54:59,079 --> 00:55:01,960
deal with grief and disposing your children
to grief at a young age. And

699
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:05,039
I was kind of like, you
know, I could go mix bag on

700
00:55:05,079 --> 00:55:07,800
it because I'd say, as a
Christian, we definitely expose our children to

701
00:55:08,119 --> 00:55:13,400
suffering like pretty early on, but
there's been a redemption in it. We

702
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:17,760
have a whole different sort of metaphysic
to go with that grief makes it in

703
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:22,679
a whole different context without explaining orthodox
stands on grief, you know what I'm

704
00:55:22,679 --> 00:55:28,119
saying, Versus the sort of haunted
mansion Disney spirit version of dealing with your

705
00:55:28,159 --> 00:55:30,599
grief. You know, just talk
to right spirits and you guys can have

706
00:55:30,639 --> 00:55:35,400
a party together all the time and
you're grief will no longer be there because

707
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:44,880
you have ghost friends, right and
Yeah, so the ghosts fill in the

708
00:55:45,039 --> 00:55:53,320
role of living people in dealing with
your grief. And when they do another

709
00:55:53,480 --> 00:56:00,360
seance, it was the man that
astral projects this time and a demon comes

710
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:05,119
to take over his body when his
soul was in the spirit world. Yeah,

711
00:56:05,599 --> 00:56:09,679
do you remember that? I do. Yeah, And they report that

712
00:56:09,679 --> 00:56:15,599
that's the real thing, like you
don't leave your body unguarded. So dropping

713
00:56:15,639 --> 00:56:20,760
in a book here for reference,
Soul after Death by Father Sarah and Rose.

714
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:23,679
Have you heard of this book or
heard of it? Yeah, go

715
00:56:23,679 --> 00:56:25,719
ahead and tell me about it.
Yeah, I mean, you know,

716
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:30,039
honestly, it's a bit of a
tough read, not because of any technical

717
00:56:30,079 --> 00:56:35,880
reason, but it's basically a lot
of recorded near death experiences of the modern

718
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:38,920
world and sort of and so you're
getting just word for word where a lot

719
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:42,840
of people have said, so,
a lot of Father Sarah and then other

720
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:45,400
than that's a lot of saints commentary
on the toll houses and things like that.

721
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:50,079
But I just bring up for reference
that if anybody's interested in sort of

722
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:54,159
well, souls and death and the
body and the soul, it's a great

723
00:56:54,159 --> 00:56:59,039
book. And then also yeah,
I mean, we'll get to it when

724
00:56:59,039 --> 00:57:01,239
we get the Princess and the I
can bring up my little chart I made

725
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:07,920
tonight for Body Soul Split, that's
psyche. Yeah. Yeah, so kids

726
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:13,239
do not try to go astral projecting
because googlies can take over in your body

727
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:19,119
when you're not there. And so
this is when they find out that there's

728
00:57:19,199 --> 00:57:23,440
like an arch demon or an arch
ghost who the other ghosts are scared of.

729
00:57:25,159 --> 00:57:29,679
Yeah, it's like the Nine Ghosts
and a back. Yeah, the

730
00:57:29,719 --> 00:57:31,199
metaphysics of this world. You're just
kind of like, wait, I don't

731
00:57:31,199 --> 00:57:35,519
really get who's a charge here?
You know, That's what I wanted to

732
00:57:36,239 --> 00:57:43,159
Well, it's it's kind of goes
along with all of the other Hollywood movies

733
00:57:43,159 --> 00:57:45,519
about hauntings because like nine times out
of ten, the ghost is just trying

734
00:57:45,559 --> 00:57:51,920
to get you to solve the mystery
of its demise, right, Yeah,

735
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:54,840
it's not really nefarious. It just
wants you to pay attention and like get

736
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:59,679
the guy who killed them or whatever. Which again it's like you gotta think,

737
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:02,440
like, even if something that's like
cool and astute and symbolic and wants

738
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:07,280
to take these movies at face value
and try to like find some real meaning

739
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:10,599
in them, it's just this terrible
bait and switch by the demons in Hollywood

740
00:58:10,639 --> 00:58:16,920
to make you think that, like, oh, evil and ghosts, they're

741
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:22,199
just really people that haven't been heard
and they're misunderstood, and if you just

742
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:27,239
kind of give in to them and
go down these lower feelings and become sympathetic

743
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:30,519
and compassionate, everything will be better. And you know, again without doing

744
00:58:30,559 --> 00:58:35,159
like a whole apologia for our side. But it's kind of like, man,

745
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:42,159
there are spiritual traditions, our tradition
for one, that explains these things

746
00:58:42,199 --> 00:58:45,239
in a lot better, more realistic
way that if you really do want to

747
00:58:45,239 --> 00:58:47,840
communicate with the dead, I'm not
saying you shouldn't have a seance, but

748
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:52,360
like how we talk to the saints
and pray to them, you know,

749
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:55,840
there is a way that we have
sort of established language for how to deal

750
00:58:55,880 --> 00:59:00,800
with the other side, you know, in our condition where whether again it

751
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:02,800
might not always be to your liking, you might not always be able to

752
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:07,400
talk to your mom, you know, sort of through mystical contact, but

753
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:10,719
at least you have something solid,
tried and true and handed down. There's

754
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:17,599
parameters for dealing with departed. Yes, so you we pray for the people

755
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:25,159
that are sleep in the Lord and
we pray, we ask the saints to

756
00:59:25,199 --> 00:59:30,400
pray for us. So the people
we know for sure are close to God,

757
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:32,480
the saints, right, we talk
to them, and then we pray

758
00:59:32,559 --> 00:59:38,079
for our friends and family have died, and in that way there's always hope

759
00:59:38,159 --> 00:59:43,199
that we could see them again.
And no one, no one is dead

760
00:59:43,239 --> 00:59:45,400
in Christ. Everyone is alive in
Christ. And so that's like one of

761
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:50,239
these when we get crazy about our
evangelism and we're like, you got to

762
00:59:50,239 --> 00:59:52,280
be a Christian, dude, you
gotta be a Christians because like, on

763
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:59,920
some level there's this great joy of
knowing that nobody is truly dead. And

764
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:05,079
I'm sure you can. We can
make up our own forced ghost star wars

765
01:00:05,079 --> 01:00:09,320
pop culture theology to try to our
esoteric decoder ring for how to make that

766
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:13,239
true. Or you can also just
be like, yeah, go read the

767
01:00:13,239 --> 01:00:15,760
Fathers and the Church and everything we
hand down, and well, you know

768
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:21,480
it's been revealed to us by God
that this is the way the universe and

769
01:00:21,559 --> 01:00:27,400
the beyond universe works in our relationship
with the dead, where like you said,

770
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:30,840
asleep because they're not really dead.
No one's dead Christ. And once

771
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:32,920
you're baptized, I guess that's why
I brought the point of about the Christianities.

772
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:39,960
If you're baptized as a Christian and
ideally obviously living that life, you

773
01:00:40,679 --> 01:00:45,639
would well, you get the benefit
I don't want to say benefits rewards,

774
01:00:45,679 --> 01:00:50,280
but you know, you get the
sort of you live in that land of

775
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:55,440
that mythos. You can say peace
of mind, right yeah. Yeah.

776
01:00:55,480 --> 01:01:00,119
And it's sad when you know that
there are people that you love the you

777
01:01:00,199 --> 01:01:04,119
might not know what their fate is, you know, which is something Ben

778
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:07,360
the character in this movie, was
searching for, trying to invent his particle

779
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:12,840
being camera and all of that.
He just wanted to because think about how

780
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:15,440
boring of a movie it would be
as if he really got to a church

781
01:01:15,599 --> 01:01:21,960
learned how to pray and that was
the end of the movie. Yeah,

782
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:27,280
you wouldn't have a lot of CGI
going on in that. Yeah. Okay.

783
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:31,159
So the goat the arch ghost arch
demon. He wears a top hat

784
01:01:31,199 --> 01:01:38,800
like a magician and a freemason.
And his name is Alistair I know,

785
01:01:39,079 --> 01:01:46,400
I for sure, Alistair Kromp.
That's a terrible name. So Alistair Krump

786
01:01:46,519 --> 01:01:50,599
was the son of a real estate
tycoon named Addison Kromp, who was a

787
01:01:50,599 --> 01:01:55,840
cruel father. Alistair had his Gatsby
era, but he killed a bunch of

788
01:01:55,880 --> 01:02:01,000
people and got into blood sacrifice.
Yeah, like you call his gaps the

789
01:02:01,119 --> 01:02:06,360
era. Well that was the story, right, Like he came back and

790
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:12,119
started having parties and killing people and
sacrificing them to the devil. And I

791
01:02:12,239 --> 01:02:15,360
just thought, well, this is
a lovely movie. Yeah. So,

792
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:22,480
and he has been trying to get
the Little Boy to kill himself this whole

793
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:27,880
time because he needs his final soul
to be willing. Yea, yeah,

794
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:30,920
that's why I jumped ahead a bit. But that's when I'm saying when he

795
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:36,559
gave up on astrophysicist guy right for
the little kid, And we'll talk later

796
01:02:36,559 --> 01:02:40,719
about the little kids and demons too, think, oh right, exactly.

797
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:49,519
So, yeah, he is on
trend with his unliving. He wants the

798
01:02:49,559 --> 01:02:52,039
little Boy to do that too so
he can see his dead father again.

799
01:02:53,440 --> 01:03:04,480
And the mediums come together to defeat
Crump, not the priest and the patriarch.

800
01:03:05,039 --> 01:03:09,920
It was the mediums right right right? And where did the note I

801
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:19,719
put here? Oh? Basically,
the priest gets the ghosts to go fight

802
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:24,119
evil, which I thought was an
interesting like, I don't know, he's

803
01:03:24,159 --> 01:03:29,119
kind of like a shaman right on
some level. If he's he's standing the

804
01:03:29,159 --> 01:03:32,039
spirits and getting them to do stuff, it's like his priesthood has kind of

805
01:03:32,079 --> 01:03:37,199
been a way just to shaman hood. It was like that scene in Lord

806
01:03:37,239 --> 01:03:38,840
of the Rings where he gets the
ghost Army to come fight with him at

807
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:43,519
the end. Right, yeah the
Rings is way better. Yeah yeah,

808
01:03:45,039 --> 01:03:52,440
Ygun's way more based than Father Ken. I thought. One last note I

809
01:03:52,519 --> 01:03:55,880
kind of have on this one was
said the end, the wife sends him

810
01:03:55,920 --> 01:04:00,760
that gift from the spirit world,
right, the cat to Pater Tot,

811
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:04,559
the cat that's loafing on his porch, which makes him cry. But I

812
01:04:04,639 --> 01:04:09,679
was just I was just like,
literally like, what what is the spiritual

813
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:13,559
dynamics of this movie? Like,
is the is it an angel? Is

814
01:04:13,599 --> 01:04:16,559
there a god? Was it her
who sent the cat? How does this

815
01:04:16,639 --> 01:04:20,199
work? Like I might be spurging
our wife sent the cat from the beyond

816
01:04:20,519 --> 01:04:26,800
as a familiar, right, But
then you gotta wonder, Okay, what

817
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:30,679
kind of spiritual world is it where
any Joe Blow who goes to heaven or

818
01:04:30,679 --> 01:04:34,960
wherever this place is now suddenly has
powers to like that are worthy of God

819
01:04:35,039 --> 01:04:40,880
to send down incarnate kiddies yeah,
you know, bestow gifts upon you from

820
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:44,960
beyond right right right, And it's
just kind of one of these interesting things

821
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:46,920
that again like maybe I'm beating a
dead horse with all this, but to

822
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:50,199
me, I just being imaginative.
I can't help but wonder if you were

823
01:04:50,199 --> 01:04:55,199
to, like peel behind the scenes
of these movies theologies, you'd be like,

824
01:04:55,239 --> 01:04:58,079
what kind of spirit world is this? Like I don't want to live,

825
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:01,679
you know, it's not pieve at
all. There's at least no salvation

826
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:06,760
at the very least of eternal life. Right. Well, that was Haunted

827
01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:11,800
Mansion, and I bet you didn't
think it would be full of blood sacrifice

828
01:05:12,079 --> 01:05:16,079
and demons trying to get kids to
unlive themselves. But here we are in

829
01:05:16,079 --> 01:05:20,239
twenty twenty three. That is a
Peach movie. Yeah, and you have

830
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:27,119
the kids being coerced that, but
also the parents sort of lowering themselves down

831
01:05:27,119 --> 01:05:30,400
to the kids level and rather than
inspiring the kids that come up, being

832
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:32,320
like, no, I'll be on
your grief level with you and see I'm

833
01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:35,880
I'm just an incompetent dad as well, and we can wallow in it together

834
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:40,719
as boy, you know, which
I thought was not like kids need to

835
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:44,599
look up to somebody. We all
need to like be coming down to level

836
01:05:44,639 --> 01:05:51,840
of trying to always please the children. I think that's problematic. Well,

837
01:05:53,000 --> 01:06:00,039
let's linger in New Orleans for a
minute and talk about the Princess and the

838
01:06:00,079 --> 01:06:04,800
Frog. And this is funny because
I thought it was called the Frog Prince,

839
01:06:05,119 --> 01:06:10,079
but it's not. This is the
first story, not his story.

840
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:14,760
Ah. So have you seen this
one before watching this? Now? Yeah?

841
01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:17,679
I think I saw it when it
came out, but I hadn't seen

842
01:06:17,719 --> 01:06:25,360
it since then. And this is
probably one of the last animated Princess movies.

843
01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:28,920
Besides, it is Frozen animated or
is it? Yeah, I have

844
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:31,280
that on my note, but Frozen
Frozen's three D. But yeah, I

845
01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:34,639
put this is I think are this
is one art your n eye's a first

846
01:06:34,679 --> 01:06:41,239
official Disney Princess romp will be going
through here. And yeah, the first

847
01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:45,280
two D animated one, but also
the last and I guess you can the

848
01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:49,559
first black Princess, Yes, and
the first one that takes place like in

849
01:06:49,599 --> 01:06:56,719
America in a real place, the
Disney. This was interesting because like with

850
01:06:56,800 --> 01:07:00,519
these films, looking at it from
our sort of Disney religion historian hat,

851
01:07:01,119 --> 01:07:04,519
this is these movies none of these
movies have Walt Disney's involvement at all.

852
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:10,679
So it's kind of interesting seeing,
I mean, we're talking about Disney,

853
01:07:10,719 --> 01:07:13,920
Walt Disney, and then when he's
gone, what has become of the company

854
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:16,239
and all the movies that kind of
make in his wake, when basically the

855
01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:23,519
visionary leader of the whole religion you
could say, or whatever entertainment business is

856
01:07:23,559 --> 01:07:26,599
gone. And so I just say
I thought it was interesting where this movie

857
01:07:26,719 --> 01:07:32,360
is kind of hits close to the
classic Disney movies because it's one, you

858
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:36,440
know, two D Princess movie.
But also there were people probably on this

859
01:07:36,519 --> 01:07:41,000
who I think it's maybe like third
degrees away from Walt. You have,

860
01:07:41,079 --> 01:07:44,760
like Walt think, you have his
animators right below him. And though then

861
01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:48,880
there'd be the young ones after that
who would like the Renaissance era being glad

862
01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:53,239
and all that, and those people
worked on Princess and the Frog. So

863
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:56,880
there's still a little bit of a
tie of the classic Disney stuff in these,

864
01:07:57,400 --> 01:08:00,880
at least esthetically, you know.
Well, they started out with the

865
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:05,599
evening Star is Shining Bright, and
that was kind of throwback to Pinocchio.

866
01:08:06,159 --> 01:08:09,599
I have that on my notes.
I made a little note I wanted to

867
01:08:09,639 --> 01:08:15,360
be poetic here with our Disney hymnology
as well, talking about spirit world we

868
01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:18,000
have. Yeah, the evening star
is shining bright. Make a wish and

869
01:08:18,119 --> 01:08:23,760
hold on tight. There's magic in
the air tonight and anything can happen.

870
01:08:24,279 --> 01:08:29,239
Yes, But my favorite one from
well maybe you'd know it, but from

871
01:08:29,239 --> 01:08:32,720
Cinderella. A dream is a wish
your heart makes when you're fast asleep.

872
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:36,159
See, when you're unconscious and you
go into dreamland, that's when you get

873
01:08:36,199 --> 01:08:42,600
all your magic. Just like Mickey
in dreams, you will lose your heartache

874
01:08:42,680 --> 01:08:46,119
and whatever you wish for you keep
have faith in your dreams and someday your

875
01:08:46,199 --> 01:08:50,479
rainbow will come shining through. So
no matter how your heart is grieving,

876
01:08:50,520 --> 01:08:55,840
if you keep on believing the dream
that you wish will come true. And

877
01:08:56,119 --> 01:08:59,079
that just so lovely, Jamie,
what a wonderful way to live your sounds.

878
01:08:59,239 --> 01:09:04,920
Yeah, it sounds great dreams all
our Disney movies. Dreaming kind of

879
01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:11,319
gets in trouble. And that was
if I may maybe run here a little

880
01:09:11,319 --> 01:09:15,079
bit with the momentum I was saying
before I got recorded, I had little

881
01:09:15,119 --> 01:09:20,399
notes I made on sort of magic
and Nicole to share that would be probably

882
01:09:20,399 --> 01:09:27,439
good for right now. Okay,
well it goes perfectly with the drawing that

883
01:09:27,479 --> 01:09:31,520
you made before. So instead of
praying like her nighttime prayers to Jesus,

884
01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:36,279
she's wishing on a star, right, and then you can get a frog.

885
01:09:36,359 --> 01:09:41,680
You don't know what's going to happen. Wishing to the force. You

886
01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:45,439
can get blown up like Jack Prson's
Yeah, anything could happened. Amen.

887
01:09:47,279 --> 01:09:54,920
Okay, so some no, I
was just so forgive me audience and Jamie

888
01:09:55,319 --> 01:09:57,960
like, I'm probably just gonna read
down my little notes I took because I

889
01:09:57,960 --> 01:10:00,520
don't want to turn into along.
I'm trying to form these into a coherent

890
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:03,640
speech kind of deal. You know, you can can hear it, and

891
01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:08,279
I think they'll be if there's something
that picks out to your ears. My

892
01:10:08,399 --> 01:10:11,760
kind of point with this though,
so it doesn't just devolve into me just

893
01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:19,800
reading my little list is that like
I'll go and read the Fathers or read

894
01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:24,800
you know, spiritual literature and they
talk about all this stuff about like fantasies

895
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:28,920
and day dreams and the logos me
and thoughts and how you got to be

896
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:33,359
discerning through your thoughts and your passions
and then like trying to unite all this

897
01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:38,319
high spiritual stuff with my day to
day life. I'm reading these things and

898
01:10:38,319 --> 01:10:41,640
I'm like, wow, this is
exactly like a Disney movie, like in

899
01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:45,279
the negative way. You know,
all this talk about fantasy and imagination and

900
01:10:45,399 --> 01:10:48,399
dreams, like the fathers say like
no no, no, no, no

901
01:10:48,520 --> 01:10:51,239
about all this stuff. And then
you look at our pop culture world and

902
01:10:51,239 --> 01:10:55,479
it's all like yes, yes,
yes, yes, yes with all of

903
01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:58,960
this stuff. So these are just
a couple of notes I took from my

904
01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:04,319
from my studies, I guess you
could say. And so okay, just

905
01:11:04,399 --> 01:11:06,520
bear with me here, I'll read
them through. And then I was trying

906
01:11:06,520 --> 01:11:12,079
to give this so that your listeners
may have some sort of in addition to

907
01:11:12,079 --> 01:11:15,560
our Disney stuff, some Christian ideas
to kind of put this into a larger

908
01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:20,000
context, like all the religions and
spiritual stuff in the world, you know,

909
01:11:20,079 --> 01:11:25,239
and how it is different. Okay, messages come either from God and

910
01:11:25,359 --> 01:11:30,479
angels or not period. So basically
the message is either of the Gospel or

911
01:11:30,520 --> 01:11:35,079
it's quote unquote something else. And
basically in a simple, simple way like

912
01:11:35,119 --> 01:11:39,920
if it's not Christ, it's not
good. I know that sounds so like

913
01:11:40,239 --> 01:11:42,600
black and white, and so it's
like it's okay, made for us,

914
01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:45,199
we could go to movies and have
a good time and doesn't affect our religion.

915
01:11:45,319 --> 01:11:49,079
But you know, maybe spiritual seekers
that are out there, you're hippie

916
01:11:49,119 --> 01:11:55,640
Shamans or yoga teachers or whatever,
like, they don't realize this because all

917
01:11:55,680 --> 01:12:00,600
this stuff is revealed to us that
it's through Christ basically, and since we're

918
01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:03,239
made in the icon of God,
we have the power to not be affected

919
01:12:03,239 --> 01:12:08,840
by the demon's messages because God's not
affected, despite the fact that we are

920
01:12:08,920 --> 01:12:14,119
the battlefield for their war against God, so saying, don't worry about it.

921
01:12:14,279 --> 01:12:17,680
The demons have no power over us
unless we cooperate with them willingly.

922
01:12:19,079 --> 01:12:24,439
And again all these films, people
are cooperating with the magic forces. Yes,

923
01:12:24,760 --> 01:12:30,000
and they're grooming children to do that
exactly, which remember we were talking

924
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:33,600
about a while ago in our text
threat about that show Pauline. They'll bring

925
01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:41,039
on Disney Plus like Satan teenage Lady
marching pregnant Satan. Yeah. Yeah,

926
01:12:41,079 --> 01:12:44,279
So basically, just like you said, we're cooperating with those forces. And

927
01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:49,039
so basically this is an important one. Demons care little for secular atheists quote

928
01:12:49,079 --> 01:12:55,920
unquote why because demons care because atheists
and people like that care little about God

929
01:12:56,359 --> 01:12:59,720
and so devils don't really care about
them. It's like people that are spiritually

930
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:04,039
testing that demons want to come after
because we become easier targets for them,

931
01:13:04,199 --> 01:13:11,079
right if your open spiritual world.
So basically this is why even for non

932
01:13:11,199 --> 01:13:15,960
Christians, it's very important to be
aware of these things because people that are

933
01:13:15,960 --> 01:13:21,279
seeking for truth, for eternality,
for beauty, for goodness, these sorts

934
01:13:21,319 --> 01:13:27,600
of things, they're going to become
Wi Fi targets for demon activity. And

935
01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:30,239
hence why I kind of go on
this, you know, almost spurgy like

936
01:13:30,319 --> 01:13:36,000
grant about Disney spirituality being dangerous because
these characters in these films, they're all

937
01:13:36,039 --> 01:13:41,239
like open receptors for spiritual activity.
They all have empty lives, they live

938
01:13:41,239 --> 01:13:45,760
in daydream fantasies. Tiana's a narcissist, as we'll find out, with her

939
01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:49,800
obsession with wanting to get her business
and like money and all her greed you

940
01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:54,760
know myself. And basically, when
I'm trying to say, is all these

941
01:13:54,760 --> 01:14:00,159
Disney movie characters like from Aladdin,
Aerial Bell with her head in the clouds,

942
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:04,439
It's like they all seem like they
are to a degree admirable falling characters.

943
01:14:04,479 --> 01:14:09,840
But you know we're all fallen,
right, but in their fallenness I'm

944
01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:13,239
thinking out loud. What I'm trying
to say is like there's a certain type

945
01:14:13,279 --> 01:14:18,600
of fallen spirituality that's the day dreamer, seeker, head in the clouds,

946
01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:29,640
imaginative type that is really susceptible to
demonic targets because God is present in reality.

947
01:14:30,079 --> 01:14:34,079
God came into history. Our God
is not made up. We don't

948
01:14:34,239 --> 01:14:40,359
believe in like a Zeus or sphinxes, or like once it guy quits a

949
01:14:40,399 --> 01:14:45,720
kotal or like things that aren't human. And so basically our God we believed,

950
01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:49,560
really came into history, and therefore
God didn't enter into our fantasies or

951
01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:55,479
day dreams or any of our conjectures. That's all the demons playground. And

952
01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:59,279
so basically our concern is Christians is
to observe our thoughts, actions, and

953
01:14:59,359 --> 01:15:03,279
attitudes towards others, basically fasting alms, giving in prayer. It's like we

954
01:15:03,319 --> 01:15:08,279
make such boring movies as well,
not like we do make boring movies,

955
01:15:08,319 --> 01:15:11,279
but we we're gonna make a movie
about the Christian life. Like yeah,

956
01:15:11,319 --> 01:15:14,800
it's all the right choices which is
so boring, like right right for a

957
01:15:14,920 --> 01:15:18,600
story art, right, Yeah,
it's just all struggling and crying over about

958
01:15:18,680 --> 01:15:23,239
how so sinful. And you know, like like if you see a Man

959
01:15:23,279 --> 01:15:26,439
of God, great film, and
there's even one on Joseph the Heavy casts,

960
01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:29,399
Like these are good films. I'm
not trying to say they're bad films.

961
01:15:29,439 --> 01:15:31,800
They're not action based with romance and
demons. You know. It's just

962
01:15:31,880 --> 01:15:39,159
like dude's trying to the right life
and being like prejudiced upon because of it,

963
01:15:39,239 --> 01:15:43,319
you know. So basically be very
very very careful with our day dreams,

964
01:15:43,439 --> 01:15:45,800
you know, and like we get
aerials, fantasies and the sea Witch

965
01:15:45,880 --> 01:15:50,640
which causes her to lose her voice
and her soul. You know, I

966
01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:54,199
got one a little more pigeon notes
and then we can move on. Sorry.

967
01:15:54,720 --> 01:16:00,119
In occultism, there's basically no creator
God, just energies and forces in

968
01:16:00,119 --> 01:16:04,119
our voodoo world because basically the question
otherwise would be why are we tampering with

969
01:16:04,159 --> 01:16:10,479
this stuff? If there really is
a god there, it begs the question

970
01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:15,520
of like who is it you are
communing with? And when we don't believe

971
01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:18,600
in it, we just believe God's
impersonal sort of deal. It makes it

972
01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:24,119
basically easier for us to get what
we want. And when there's no creator

973
01:16:24,239 --> 01:16:29,000
and there's no ownership, you basically
get forces battling for territory in the spiritual

974
01:16:29,079 --> 01:16:32,239
world, just like in our Haunt
advansion, even if the good ghosts versus

975
01:16:32,279 --> 01:16:35,840
the evil ghosts in this dimension,
and so basically you get this sort of

976
01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:43,159
feudal system of spiritual like karma CEOs, chain of order commands spiritual beings,

977
01:16:43,279 --> 01:16:45,439
or you get a sort of wide
open frontier. We have sort of the

978
01:16:45,479 --> 01:16:50,359
happy go lucky spirit world with like
one evil witch who's out to like squash

979
01:16:50,399 --> 01:16:56,399
the whole spiritual worlds m O,
you know. And so basically, when

980
01:16:56,479 --> 01:16:59,920
if there's no impersonal forces, this
is what you're going to get. You're

981
01:17:00,199 --> 01:17:05,199
your movie films. Your characters will
either have psychical abilities, natural gifts,

982
01:17:05,279 --> 01:17:10,239
fortune telling, things like this.
They'll either get into wizardry, which is

983
01:17:10,279 --> 01:17:15,760
basically no real gift, it's all
learned, or witchcraft, which is basically

984
01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:21,439
not the combo the two sort of
your natural abilities plus learning and yeah,

985
01:17:21,479 --> 01:17:26,600
basically, in a word, accultism
boils. I'm skipping a bit. Accultism

986
01:17:26,680 --> 01:17:32,000
boils down to God's will. Versus
our will. And basically the problem with

987
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:39,479
accultism is that it's so esthetically appealing. That's how it draws you in.

988
01:17:40,039 --> 01:17:44,279
You know, the Cross is not
very appealing in that way. That's why

989
01:17:44,359 --> 01:17:48,720
Christianity is so so offensive to so
many people, you know, on that

990
01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:53,560
level, not only but on that
level at least. Yeah, it doesn't

991
01:17:53,560 --> 01:18:00,159
have the mystique that right, And
even like an art sort of admitted the

992
01:18:00,279 --> 01:18:02,479
interest in Disney aesthetic and the beauty
of the parks. You know, you

993
01:18:02,479 --> 01:18:06,760
could walk around or even any great
manicured park or like anything that's just aesthetically

994
01:18:06,800 --> 01:18:11,840
beautiful. It's like how many movies
is it that, like the Witch dresses

995
01:18:11,920 --> 01:18:15,600
up as some beautiful woman to change
yourself over. Even the devil will do

996
01:18:15,680 --> 01:18:19,239
the same thing in films you know
that are that one way that you just

997
01:18:19,279 --> 01:18:23,279
gotta watch out for them because they
really start playing on your fantasies and your

998
01:18:23,319 --> 01:18:27,439
passions and and so like what I
was going to get out with this with

999
01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:30,680
some of my other other drawing for
the night. Okay, so when I

1000
01:18:30,720 --> 01:18:33,920
was talking about God's will versus our
will in the fall, so here we

1001
01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:39,520
have our christian So this we have
our spirit our body and our psyche which

1002
01:18:39,520 --> 01:18:42,920
also means soul. But I put
a pie chart is easier to read,

1003
01:18:43,560 --> 01:18:46,359
so in the fall and then oh, you can't really see it in here,

1004
01:18:46,399 --> 01:18:48,119
but I have a little circle in
the middle, and that would be

1005
01:18:48,199 --> 01:18:54,000
our will. Our will is our
spirit, our body, and our psyche

1006
01:18:54,039 --> 01:18:58,399
when it's in union and flowing and
doing good. And this little this is

1007
01:18:58,399 --> 01:19:00,920
the trinity connecting us to our spirit. And in a way, when we're

1008
01:19:00,920 --> 01:19:05,000
in a sort of gnostic system or
any sort of broken spirituality, man's cut

1009
01:19:05,039 --> 01:19:10,079
off from the truth, from the
spirit of truth, the Holy Spirit Christ

1010
01:19:10,920 --> 01:19:13,199
and that. And then when you're
cut off from that, you go in

1011
01:19:13,279 --> 01:19:17,119
this body mind dualism. That's what
the dualism thing is such a such a

1012
01:19:17,119 --> 01:19:21,399
crucial thing in our culture because and
this is what's the kind of mind bogging

1013
01:19:21,399 --> 01:19:26,119
thing about Orthodoxy is like we're just
so and I can't speak for the Church,

1014
01:19:26,159 --> 01:19:28,880
you know, but like from my
reading, we're just so hardcore quote

1015
01:19:28,920 --> 01:19:32,600
unquote in the sense that like this
top spirit up here, this is nothing

1016
01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:38,840
other than the Holy Spirit. Like
if you're not partaking in the Holy Spirit,

1017
01:19:39,000 --> 01:19:43,520
you're going to be in a mind
body dualism. Okay, like Christ

1018
01:19:43,600 --> 01:19:47,640
restores this fallen split, cut off
from the spirit. Christ restored that.

1019
01:19:48,399 --> 01:19:51,720
So if you know, we'd say
that when you're a Christian and you're baptizing,

1020
01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:55,880
you're living the life of the Church. Your spirit, body, soul

1021
01:19:55,920 --> 01:20:00,279
are in harmony together, but otherwise
you're sad cut off. In dualism.

1022
01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:05,520
It's a simple way to put it. What is that trinity with the goblin?

1023
01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:10,079
This is our goblin b this is
our bizarre trinity. These are the

1024
01:20:10,119 --> 01:20:13,760
spirits. These are the spirits that
can get into you when you're not living

1025
01:20:13,840 --> 01:20:16,119
the real spiritual life. Oh okay, but you know, I mean,

1026
01:20:16,119 --> 01:20:20,359
I'm a sinner. Come on,
I'm in no position to talk but being

1027
01:20:20,439 --> 01:20:25,159
vain, just being on a podcast
here. But like my point is is

1028
01:20:25,199 --> 01:20:30,560
that bizarre spirit world will enter into
us and act as a pseudo spirit and

1029
01:20:30,680 --> 01:20:33,479
cut us off from the very theme. Yes, when we are cut off,

1030
01:20:33,479 --> 01:20:36,640
see all man is this is the
crazy thing. It's like man fallen.

1031
01:20:36,680 --> 01:20:42,640
Man is cut off from the spirit, the Holy Spirit. It fills

1032
01:20:42,640 --> 01:20:45,119
everywhere and is present in all things, but in many ways. In our

1033
01:20:45,159 --> 01:20:48,479
baptism, when we say we're sealed
with the Holy Spirit, that's like saying

1034
01:20:48,520 --> 01:20:54,920
it can never leave. You're kind
of in this more unified, harmonious triangle

1035
01:20:55,399 --> 01:20:59,119
versus one outside of the church.
Let's just say for you and my purposes,

1036
01:20:59,319 --> 01:21:04,920
you know, right. Yeah,
So going back to that the second

1037
01:21:04,960 --> 01:21:12,640
triangle that tracks the duality. Yeah, and this goes along with your first

1038
01:21:12,720 --> 01:21:18,279
drawing too, because I saw a
video about the Force by Freddie Prince Junior.

1039
01:21:18,840 --> 01:21:23,560
He was on a podcast describing He
says, George Lucas told me all

1040
01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:27,560
about the Force, and it's a
real thing, and it is just like

1041
01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:31,239
the Ying Yang, the balance.
Okay, so it's not like a good

1042
01:21:31,279 --> 01:21:35,199
triumphing over evil, because he says, if you know about the Force,

1043
01:21:35,279 --> 01:21:39,359
you'll be able to predict who's going
to win every Star Wars movie, because

1044
01:21:39,560 --> 01:21:42,199
like one movie, the good guys
win, the next movie, the bad

1045
01:21:42,239 --> 01:21:44,560
guys win. One movie, the
good guys win, the next movie,

1046
01:21:44,600 --> 01:21:47,239
the bad guys win. And on
the surface is supposed to keep you,

1047
01:21:47,239 --> 01:21:53,359
you know, drawing in for cliffhangers. But this is what they're trying to

1048
01:21:53,359 --> 01:21:56,640
explain about the Force, Like it
doesn't care about good and evil. It's

1049
01:21:56,680 --> 01:22:00,640
just trying to keep some kind of
balance. Well that's why, like and

1050
01:22:00,720 --> 01:22:03,039
look, this was the mind bogging
thing about our spiritual world. I'll say,

1051
01:22:03,359 --> 01:22:08,199
yeah, that's true, but is
that a force you want to really

1052
01:22:09,199 --> 01:22:13,960
live with and call your highest good? If your force can have a disturbance

1053
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:17,680
in it, Like our God doesn't
have any disturbance in him. There's a

1054
01:22:17,800 --> 01:22:21,680
disturbance in the trinity, you know, and so for them to be disturbance

1055
01:22:21,720 --> 01:22:27,520
in the force, like just it
just begs a lot of spiritual questions that

1056
01:22:28,079 --> 01:22:31,039
if that were my God, I'd
kind of be like wondering who am I

1057
01:22:31,039 --> 01:22:34,359
worshiping at the end of the day, you know, Like don't I want

1058
01:22:34,359 --> 01:22:38,439
the thing that I believe in to
put all of my confidence and hope and

1059
01:22:38,479 --> 01:22:44,800
faith in to be a little more
personal, relatable, loving, knowing that

1060
01:22:44,840 --> 01:22:46,359
it will always be good, knowing
that like maybe at the end when I

1061
01:22:46,399 --> 01:22:49,439
die, I'm not just going to
be like cosmic space dust, you know.

1062
01:22:49,600 --> 01:22:57,560
But yeah, recycled into a worm
or a cow or whatever. Ford

1063
01:22:57,600 --> 01:23:01,960
helped me. So anyway, that's
my that's my long little rant on occultism

1064
01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:06,159
and magic and you know, just
some bullet notes. So when we walk

1065
01:23:06,199 --> 01:23:10,800
about these movies, I'm I'm trying
to see it through this lens of like

1066
01:23:12,119 --> 01:23:15,760
in a word impersonal forces. Got
to be careful with that in your will.

1067
01:23:15,159 --> 01:23:18,960
Yeah, so this is what she's
doing in the very beginning, hold

1068
01:23:19,000 --> 01:23:26,960
up your your two magicians or your
Yeah. So, in the beginning of

1069
01:23:27,079 --> 01:23:31,720
Princess and the Frog, Tiana is
praying to the star or the force or

1070
01:23:31,760 --> 01:23:38,239
the magic whatever. She's wishing on
the star instead of praying to the father.

1071
01:23:39,640 --> 01:23:43,399
And also, you know, the
star could be Venus. They say

1072
01:23:43,399 --> 01:23:46,479
it's the evening Star, and Venus
is the Lucifer. So right off the

1073
01:23:46,479 --> 01:23:54,000
bat, I say that she's already
just praying to Lucifer, right, and

1074
01:23:54,079 --> 01:23:58,000
that's not very far of a leap
either. They don't say exactly what the

1075
01:23:58,039 --> 01:24:01,720
star is, but you know,
if it's play Penus, if it's serious,

1076
01:24:02,119 --> 01:24:05,039
well later you could you could almost
say, for like the sake of

1077
01:24:06,319 --> 01:24:12,600
like again, I'm just putting on
my sort of pseudo esoteric dacoder ring hat,

1078
01:24:13,039 --> 01:24:15,319
you can say, if we're looking
at this film all as one hole,

1079
01:24:15,399 --> 01:24:18,279
we do get a star later on
in the movie that is named in

1080
01:24:18,399 --> 01:24:24,720
reference that's sort of the magic goddess
star Evangeline. So maybe you could even

1081
01:24:24,760 --> 01:24:27,279
go as far as a stretch that
say Tiana is worst, you know,

1082
01:24:27,319 --> 01:24:31,399
wishing on that star. Okay,
good point, and then I have a

1083
01:24:31,479 --> 01:24:34,479
remark about that when we get there. Okay, me too, Okay,

1084
01:24:34,560 --> 01:24:39,880
good, all right, So I'm
straight off wishing our stars to praying,

1085
01:24:40,039 --> 01:24:45,760
and then they talk about voodoo,
magic, good and bad. The bow

1086
01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:53,199
Court or doctor Facilier is his name
means easy, easy, effortless. That's

1087
01:24:53,199 --> 01:24:59,000
what fast steal means in Latin root. He says that you can use this

1088
01:24:59,079 --> 01:25:03,600
for good or ba. So there
there's your magician again, your checker work

1089
01:25:03,680 --> 01:25:09,359
four right. He also says,
fun fact about voodoo, you can't conjure

1090
01:25:09,399 --> 01:25:14,039
anything. I can't conjure anything for
myself. The real magic is money.

1091
01:25:14,199 --> 01:25:16,079
And I just laughed because dude,
funny. At the end of the day,

1092
01:25:16,239 --> 01:25:23,640
folks, camera two, Disney Disney
magic is Disney dollars exactly. Oh,

1093
01:25:23,760 --> 01:25:27,960
like yeah, he doesn't make the
point because the John Goodman, the

1094
01:25:27,960 --> 01:25:33,319
big Daddy character, he is the
real power of the movie. You know,

1095
01:25:33,359 --> 01:25:39,039
it's interesting and he's a good guy. Due too many apologetics here,

1096
01:25:39,079 --> 01:25:43,600
but he's he's not a bad character. He's Nana has actual power and influence,

1097
01:25:43,920 --> 01:25:46,439
wealth, and he doesn't get in
too much trouble in the movie.

1098
01:25:46,920 --> 01:25:53,119
Well, I kind of appreciated how
they didn't make the little rich girl to

1099
01:25:53,199 --> 01:25:59,000
be a snob or a brat or
you know, shoots very kind and empathetic.

1100
01:26:00,720 --> 01:26:06,439
That was nice, yeah, because
they do have a class distinction in

1101
01:26:06,479 --> 01:26:11,880
this movie. You know, the
mom works for the rich white man and

1102
01:26:11,880 --> 01:26:16,720
then they have to take the train
to the ghetto and they're saying, you

1103
01:26:16,760 --> 01:26:19,560
know, it's good to have family, even if you don't have a lot

1104
01:26:19,600 --> 01:26:23,119
of money. They had a lot
of friends and sharing. So that was

1105
01:26:23,399 --> 01:26:29,079
that was nice. I found in
this film with my second chart, my

1106
01:26:29,079 --> 01:26:33,079
little bizarro trinity I'll give I want
to give, you know, because I

1107
01:26:33,119 --> 01:26:36,319
was thinking about I was like,
what good can we find in these Disney

1108
01:26:36,359 --> 01:26:40,239
movies, Jamie. There's gotta be
something right, like I think a lot

1109
01:26:40,319 --> 01:26:43,479
of it. It's gonna be whitewashed, or you won't take the pill like

1110
01:26:44,039 --> 01:26:46,079
you ever trying to give a cat. It's medication. You have to put

1111
01:26:46,119 --> 01:26:50,520
it in cheese exactly exactly. So
you know, saying I almost want to

1112
01:26:50,520 --> 01:26:55,159
play a good cop on Princess and
the Frog because there I found there to

1113
01:26:55,199 --> 01:26:59,560
be Disney at its best and why
I like this one maybe versus the other

1114
01:26:59,600 --> 01:27:02,720
movies that we that we're doing.
Is that how this one's kind of tied

1115
01:27:02,760 --> 01:27:05,920
to Walt Disney. It's like they
were really wanted to kind of like make

1116
01:27:05,960 --> 01:27:10,560
this one like the old films,
right why they're appealing doing the two D

1117
01:27:10,680 --> 01:27:13,119
and all that. So I was
curious watching this one because I'm like,

1118
01:27:13,159 --> 01:27:15,199
Okay, this one's gonna maybe be
a little more on the nose of being

1119
01:27:15,680 --> 01:27:19,760
having good values in it than a
lot of the other movies maybe. And

1120
01:27:19,800 --> 01:27:24,800
I felt a lot of like I
basically made my little list of like christ

1121
01:27:25,079 --> 01:27:29,359
Christian themes on one side and then
bizarro Christian themes on the other where there's

1122
01:27:29,399 --> 01:27:31,159
like all these like you're just saying
about the cap fill. It's a great

1123
01:27:31,199 --> 01:27:35,520
metaphor. There's like so many Christian
themes in these Disney films that are like

1124
01:27:35,720 --> 01:27:41,840
they're but kind of filtered through this
bizarro not quite where you could then read

1125
01:27:41,920 --> 01:27:45,479
them as what I like to say, pre incarnational. Yeah, they're getting

1126
01:27:45,479 --> 01:27:47,840
there. It's kind of the right
spirit, but there's no Christ or you

1127
01:27:47,880 --> 01:27:51,640
could be like, yeah, they're
kind of doing it. It's kind of

1128
01:27:51,720 --> 01:27:57,039
right, but it's so off the
mark by just enough that it's kind of

1129
01:27:57,079 --> 01:28:01,920
demonic and crazy when you really start
to thinking about perfect syop really amen.

1130
01:28:02,520 --> 01:28:09,239
Yeah, Okay, so the rich
girl calls her dad big Daddy, which

1131
01:28:09,439 --> 01:28:15,479
I thought is weird. Yeah,
no comment, Maybe the Internet has ruined

1132
01:28:15,520 --> 01:28:26,279
my brain. But yeah. And
then you have Prince Navine of Maldonia who

1133
01:28:26,279 --> 01:28:36,399
has lost his fortune, so fallen
patriarchy right, yea, And she's an

1134
01:28:36,439 --> 01:28:41,520
independent, career minded woman. She
doesn't have time for friends or love.

1135
01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:45,880
Yeah. So they're a big thing
to kind of do the esoteric dacoder ring

1136
01:28:46,600 --> 01:28:53,680
is they symbol they're both greedy and
lazy because on some level off to find

1137
01:28:53,760 --> 01:28:58,039
my Yeah. The princes cut off
from his parents money and knows that he

1138
01:28:58,079 --> 01:29:01,760
knows nothing about anything based Tiana is
in a way, she's inverted where she

1139
01:29:01,800 --> 01:29:06,800
knows nothing about love or family because
she's cut off from from her father god

1140
01:29:06,880 --> 01:29:13,000
figure. And in a way she
they're both cut off from love due to

1141
01:29:13,039 --> 01:29:16,640
their passions, him from being lazy
and not working, her from being overworking

1142
01:29:17,479 --> 01:29:20,680
and having no time to let her
hair down and dance. Kind of do

1143
01:29:21,079 --> 01:29:26,560
much ambition, Yes, exactly,
her ambition and her attachment to the past

1144
01:29:26,640 --> 01:29:29,039
too. I'll do this for you, daddy, It's gonna I'm gonna make

1145
01:29:29,039 --> 01:29:30,600
my dad happy, you know.
It's like yeah, yeah, kind of

1146
01:29:30,640 --> 01:29:35,359
that Christian idea of serving the Father, pleasing our father in heaven and serving

1147
01:29:35,399 --> 01:29:39,560
God, but in the sense it's
literally like, no, my dad would

1148
01:29:39,600 --> 01:29:42,720
want this, you know. It's
like, I don't know, one of

1149
01:29:42,720 --> 01:29:45,239
those things where like where Christ says, you know, you must love me

1150
01:29:45,319 --> 01:29:48,199
more than you love your family,
and it's like the way that Mary Magdalen

1151
01:29:48,800 --> 01:29:51,239
Son and Martha or Mary I don't
know, forgive me. I don't know

1152
01:29:51,239 --> 01:29:55,760
if it's Magdalen, Mary and Son
and Martha gives all her time to Jesus,

1153
01:29:55,760 --> 01:29:58,640
where Martha's like, Dad, you're
supposed to be helping me out in

1154
01:29:58,640 --> 01:30:00,800
the in the pitching all this stuff, and Mary's like, no, no,

1155
01:30:00,840 --> 01:30:04,199
it's really about worshiping God. Yeah. Way, like when we're just

1156
01:30:04,279 --> 01:30:09,640
attached to our family legacy like so
much this movie, as she seeks legacy

1157
01:30:09,760 --> 01:30:14,840
over love, okay in a way, yeah, because she basically kisses the

1158
01:30:14,840 --> 01:30:17,000
frog for money, right, yeah. Yeah, he offers her money to

1159
01:30:17,000 --> 01:30:18,680
start think. She's like, oh, okay, I guess, yeah,

1160
01:30:18,680 --> 01:30:21,159
I guess I'll give up. I'll
guess I'll do that magic. But I

1161
01:30:21,159 --> 01:30:26,520
don't know. I'm getting into right
for the same my money. Yeah,

1162
01:30:26,680 --> 01:30:33,239
that's why I said earlier she was
a narcissist. Yeah, so she has

1163
01:30:33,279 --> 01:30:41,520
a one track mine. The Prince
is just kind of not mature, uh,

1164
01:30:41,840 --> 01:30:45,840
not stable like a man his age
should be. By that time,

1165
01:30:46,960 --> 01:30:50,239
he's broken, has to marry rich
or get a job. And he runs

1166
01:30:50,319 --> 01:30:58,720
into the voodoo doctor, the Baron
Samity character, the doctor Facilier, who

1167
01:30:59,359 --> 01:31:05,880
does a terrible reading on him and
traps his soul or he calls it trans

1168
01:31:05,920 --> 01:31:12,479
more trans mortification, which is like
turning into an animal, right right,

1169
01:31:13,720 --> 01:31:19,319
And he does it with his blood, so he gets the blood of the

1170
01:31:19,399 --> 01:31:24,479
prince. Prince m okay, oh, I was just gonna say. And

1171
01:31:24,479 --> 01:31:30,000
he does this all through basically conversing
with his voiceless, wordless spirits getting back

1172
01:31:30,079 --> 01:31:32,800
our prayer. Prayer is so simple. We offer words, simple things like

1173
01:31:32,800 --> 01:31:39,920
our prayer, beads, prostrations,
our voice, and I guess i'm i'm

1174
01:31:39,960 --> 01:31:43,479
I'm trying not to make too long
in a statement, but just by saying

1175
01:31:43,600 --> 01:31:46,680
making almost compare and contrast between using
your words and your speech and a God

1176
01:31:46,760 --> 01:31:50,800
who is word, Christ is the
word, and our emphasis on words and

1177
01:31:50,880 --> 01:31:54,119
speaking, and then in this spirit
world. You're just kind of like,

1178
01:31:54,319 --> 01:31:56,920
I don't even know if these things
are. They don't have voices. They're

1179
01:31:56,920 --> 01:32:01,119
just weird scary shadows that are faceless, nameless, voiceless, wordless. And

1180
01:32:01,159 --> 01:32:03,479
then when he runs out of voodoo
juice, he has to go back to

1181
01:32:03,520 --> 01:32:09,840
them to keep jumping the antie.
You know, Yeah, did you find

1182
01:32:10,119 --> 01:32:15,520
the tarot scenes and the voodoo scenes
to be a little creepy or I mean,

1183
01:32:15,680 --> 01:32:19,159
yes, I Confessor's a part of
me that like aesthetically, I admit

1184
01:32:19,239 --> 01:32:23,640
it's like, oh, these are
good colors. I thought the colors are

1185
01:32:23,640 --> 01:32:27,279
really good in that scene, and
I like the two D animation. But

1186
01:32:27,359 --> 01:32:30,960
yeah, it was pretty pretty scary. I don't think i'd want my kids

1187
01:32:31,000 --> 01:32:39,199
watching tarot card cartoons and like voodoo
gods. Well, I'm I'm teasing a

1188
01:32:39,199 --> 01:32:43,680
bit, but I had call it
divine providence or I don't know what.

1189
01:32:44,600 --> 01:32:47,199
Also Lord of Mercy. But I
saw a couple of minutes of Monsters Inc.

1190
01:32:47,319 --> 01:32:50,479
With a little my friend's kid who
was there, and he saw some

1191
01:32:50,520 --> 01:32:55,359
of it and he had like never
seen it before. Thinking about that when

1192
01:32:55,359 --> 01:32:57,920
we were watching it, I was
like, why are we watching this movie?

1193
01:32:57,960 --> 01:33:00,079
This? Like but he's a kid, like grewp on monsters and they

1194
01:33:00,119 --> 01:33:02,880
do like monsters in the house and
all this stuff. So it was just

1195
01:33:02,960 --> 01:33:06,319
like, I don't know, it
was just crazy watching them with a really

1196
01:33:06,359 --> 01:33:12,079
small kid. I was like,
these things are like they're because I was

1197
01:33:12,079 --> 01:33:15,279
thinking about it, like figure out
all their beautiful young children in church,

1198
01:33:15,359 --> 01:33:17,800
and like they all kiss the saints
icons and and all of our icons.

1199
01:33:17,840 --> 01:33:25,800
It's like they're also human focused,
right, ion of like animal theomorphic gods,

1200
01:33:25,880 --> 01:33:29,399
you know, and somebody could do
the whole like what about Saint Christopher

1201
01:33:29,520 --> 01:33:30,840
dogheaded or whatever, you know,
and I know that's the thing, but

1202
01:33:30,920 --> 01:33:35,199
like, by and large were like
human focused, and so I don't know,

1203
01:33:35,439 --> 01:33:39,479
just it's kind of mind bogging when
you're hanging out with really little kids

1204
01:33:39,479 --> 01:33:44,000
and you see them around ghoulie ghouls
and like how much they gravitate to them.

1205
01:33:44,079 --> 01:33:47,159
It's kind of crazy. I know. I watched the live action Lion

1206
01:33:47,279 --> 01:33:55,920
King with a kid, and I
was kind of like, am I culpable

1207
01:33:56,079 --> 01:34:03,119
for like hurting this person? Because
it was, yeah, so how do

1208
01:34:03,199 --> 01:34:14,800
I put this h O M O
E R O T. I C sure

1209
01:34:15,199 --> 01:34:19,399
latently like Timon and Pumba are a
couple. Huh and I I know the

1210
01:34:19,479 --> 01:34:25,560
kids not getting it, but it's
getting in there all right. That two

1211
01:34:26,760 --> 01:34:30,159
boy animals are married. It's like, what does that even mean? They're

1212
01:34:30,239 --> 01:34:33,319
animals? Yo? Come on,
That's like how I felt when I was

1213
01:34:33,359 --> 01:34:36,119
when we were watching Monsters, Inc. But this kid in the funny part

1214
01:34:36,159 --> 01:34:40,520
is this he was more interested in
iPad anything else. Like for us,

1215
01:34:40,560 --> 01:34:44,800
you put a TV on and we're
like glued to it from our generation right

1216
01:34:45,479 --> 01:34:48,239
today, It's like TV doesn't even
affect them in the series, yes,

1217
01:34:49,119 --> 01:34:54,960
way more interesting. You know the
cathode Ray who has no power over exactly

1218
01:34:55,119 --> 01:35:01,479
exactly exactly. Okay, so we've
got tarot cards, voodoo gods, transmortification,

1219
01:35:01,680 --> 01:35:05,039
all the things that kids need to
know about. Bok or male voodoo

1220
01:35:05,079 --> 01:35:13,840
doctor is called the shadow Man and
he turns the Prince into a frog.

1221
01:35:15,960 --> 01:35:19,560
And then when Tiana tries to kiss
the frog, she turns into a frog.

1222
01:35:19,600 --> 01:35:26,399
Why do you think that is?
You know? I would have to

1223
01:35:26,439 --> 01:35:29,840
give that some more thought, to
be honest with you. But when I

1224
01:35:29,880 --> 01:35:33,439
watched this film about maybe a year
or two ago, when I was doing

1225
01:35:33,439 --> 01:35:39,720
like my Union Disney thing, probably
about two years ago, the only thing

1226
01:35:39,760 --> 01:35:43,760
that came to me, is like
in this whole world of this side of

1227
01:35:43,800 --> 01:35:48,319
symbolism, let's say, the esoteric
dacoder Ring world. Usually like when the

1228
01:35:48,359 --> 01:35:51,560
hero goes into the other other world, the underworld, they often have to

1229
01:35:51,600 --> 01:36:00,479
put on like animal clothing, like
devolve or there's that transformation to sort of

1230
01:36:00,520 --> 01:36:06,119
be This is Tiana's catabasis exactly,
exactly okay, and in a way too,

1231
01:36:06,119 --> 01:36:09,560
it's interesting because, like we were
saying a couple minutes ago about them

1232
01:36:09,680 --> 01:36:14,159
being phonies. Both he thinks she's
a princess and he thinks she's well,

1233
01:36:15,199 --> 01:36:17,800
he thinks she's a princess, she
thinks he's wealthy. Both our lives to

1234
01:36:17,880 --> 01:36:23,119
one another. So in the way
you could say that it's the dishonesty between

1235
01:36:23,159 --> 01:36:27,359
them both that causes them to go
below human level. Like what I found

1236
01:36:27,399 --> 01:36:33,840
again about this film that's interesting that
you could say is pro good and also

1237
01:36:34,680 --> 01:36:41,520
precarious, is that, like there's
some prayers we say, it's like forgive

1238
01:36:41,560 --> 01:36:45,359
me, I've sinned today, not
only worse than a man, but even

1239
01:36:45,399 --> 01:36:49,960
worse than a beast. It's involuntary, but like the idea that like even

1240
01:36:50,000 --> 01:36:55,279
animals don't sin in the way that
they are given a certain nature, and

1241
01:36:55,319 --> 01:36:59,720
they may not have that sort of
spirit trinity that we have been made in

1242
01:36:59,720 --> 01:37:03,359
thee of God, but they have
a harmonious body soul as much as we

1243
01:37:03,399 --> 01:37:06,399
want to say body soul spirit thing
going on with them. So when we

1244
01:37:06,479 --> 01:37:12,000
mess up and we fall outside of
our nature, we're like worse than animals,

1245
01:37:12,399 --> 01:37:15,520
you know. And so in a
way, I just think that even

1246
01:37:15,560 --> 01:37:20,399
to illustrate her devolving into a frog
is kind of showing that she's means obviously

1247
01:37:20,399 --> 01:37:25,600
she's gone below her nature by becoming
an animal. Frogs are really interesting because

1248
01:37:25,600 --> 01:37:29,640
they're almost like human like, right, like their their fingers and their sort

1249
01:37:29,640 --> 01:37:32,159
of way that, yeah, they
have like sort of almost like those that

1250
01:37:32,159 --> 01:37:35,600
Warner Brothers frog. He's like the
dancing singing one. They kind of like

1251
01:37:35,680 --> 01:37:41,319
anthropomorphic on their own already, And
we like dissect them in school to kind

1252
01:37:41,319 --> 01:37:46,760
of understand how to dissect humans later
or something. That was a joke,

1253
01:37:46,880 --> 01:37:58,239
but yeah, yeah, doctor Quick
and Easy, dirty magician. Well,

1254
01:37:58,399 --> 01:38:04,760
I thought it was interesting that the
shadow Man cast a spell and they have

1255
01:38:04,880 --> 01:38:12,600
to go to Mama Odi, the
voodoo queen of the Bayou, for help.

1256
01:38:13,359 --> 01:38:18,720
So he's like, yeah, so
they're appealing to the same system of

1257
01:38:18,760 --> 01:38:23,920
magic that put them in that position
in the first place. Exactly. So

1258
01:38:24,399 --> 01:38:30,439
white magic, black magic both involved
will negatively and and uh yeah, based

1259
01:38:30,479 --> 01:38:33,079
on other notes it brings up now. But basically I was just saying,

1260
01:38:33,079 --> 01:38:40,119
there's three degrees of magic, healing, relieving of curses, and making ambulance.

1261
01:38:41,319 --> 01:38:44,680
Both of those are that are in
this movie. But yeah, they

1262
01:38:44,800 --> 01:38:48,840
still involve in forcing our will upon
the supernatural, where prayer is basically letting

1263
01:38:48,960 --> 01:38:56,439
the supernatural god God's will be done
through our own participation in cooperation. Where

1264
01:38:56,439 --> 01:39:00,399
these are just like they're just again
greedy, please please please, I'll give

1265
01:39:00,439 --> 01:39:03,239
you whatever needs to be done to
make the transaction happen. In that way,

1266
01:39:03,279 --> 01:39:08,680
it's not like a real relationship.
It's like a dare I say,

1267
01:39:08,800 --> 01:39:13,000
our APIs very much in a way, it's like you give me what I

1268
01:39:13,039 --> 01:39:17,199
want on you to night now,
by midnight or else. Yeah, not

1269
01:39:17,279 --> 01:39:23,840
a real relationship with Mama Odie.
Did you notice Mama Odie was one hundred

1270
01:39:23,880 --> 01:39:28,079
and ninety seven years old. No, she looked good for ages. Yeah,

1271
01:39:28,239 --> 01:39:34,399
she said, Mama, So you've
got your left hand path and your

1272
01:39:34,479 --> 01:39:40,720
right hand path with a shapman and
Mama Odi. And then, like you

1273
01:39:40,800 --> 01:39:45,119
said before, they make the point
that the real power in the world isn't

1274
01:39:45,159 --> 01:39:49,520
magic, it's money. Yeah right. And again this whole movie, she's

1275
01:39:49,720 --> 01:39:54,319
she's very clear, I need money
from my restaurant, you know. And

1276
01:39:55,239 --> 01:40:00,119
I thought this was interesting. Hard
work would not have been enough for her,

1277
01:40:00,319 --> 01:40:02,960
So the whole thing was about her
saving and working hard and putting the

1278
01:40:03,000 --> 01:40:06,640
down payment on her thing. But
then she finds out that she doesn't have

1279
01:40:06,760 --> 01:40:11,680
enough money, and that's how she
gets into the kissing the frog and everything.

1280
01:40:12,479 --> 01:40:15,319
But the moral of the story is
she couldn't have done it on her

1281
01:40:15,399 --> 01:40:20,439
own with just hard work and ambition
and pulling her bootstraps up. She had

1282
01:40:20,479 --> 01:40:26,840
to appeal to magic and fate to
get what she wanted. Well, right,

1283
01:40:26,960 --> 01:40:29,640
this is one of those things that's
like I almost imagine that, like

1284
01:40:29,920 --> 01:40:32,800
I'm trying to be in a like
I'm almost in first century Greece, and

1285
01:40:32,840 --> 01:40:36,159
what you just said was like the
religion of the people there, and I'm

1286
01:40:36,199 --> 01:40:41,720
here trying to be a Christian telling
them how that that is very much like

1287
01:40:41,840 --> 01:40:45,399
what we do, but not yeah
right, It's like that's exactly basically does

1288
01:40:45,439 --> 01:40:50,079
prayer and calling upon God for help
and knowing that her will and just like

1289
01:40:50,119 --> 01:40:55,079
that, like exactly he said her
will, all her hard work, her

1290
01:40:55,079 --> 01:41:00,079
works aren't really enough in the end
to get her there. Odd loves us

1291
01:41:00,079 --> 01:41:04,119
so much he doesn't need our works
or any of that to be continually loving

1292
01:41:04,199 --> 01:41:08,960
towards us and to bestow gifts upon
us. You know, there are Christian

1293
01:41:09,000 --> 01:41:13,279
life and so it's just one of
these funny like guys, you're so close

1294
01:41:13,319 --> 01:41:17,319
to like believing what we believe,
but by not making that step, you

1295
01:41:17,359 --> 01:41:23,000
get this all other crazy complications going
on, turning into frogs, voodoo,

1296
01:41:23,039 --> 01:41:26,399
witch, magic ry and all these
things that could just be avoided if you

1297
01:41:26,439 --> 01:41:31,159
were just to forgive me a good
Christian Yeah. Girls, Yeah, and

1298
01:41:31,199 --> 01:41:34,800
you don't have to summon demons to
help you like a shadow man did.

1299
01:41:35,520 --> 01:41:41,680
That was pretty scary. So he
summons up all of these shadow demons that

1300
01:41:41,760 --> 01:41:45,800
go after the frogs, and that
would give me nine ers if I was

1301
01:41:45,840 --> 01:41:50,159
a little kid, I feel like, yeah, and Mama Odie should.

1302
01:41:50,159 --> 01:41:53,960
But see that it shows you that
if you have a good witch on your

1303
01:41:53,960 --> 01:41:58,079
side, you can conquer shadow demons. You can also be the kind of

1304
01:41:58,079 --> 01:42:01,199
like the dude from Big Lebowski and
be a fool for magic, you know,

1305
01:42:01,640 --> 01:42:06,039
a fool for the Force instead of
a fool for Christ or find a

1306
01:42:06,039 --> 01:42:11,119
good pun for them. And then
we find out that the Shadow Man owes

1307
01:42:11,159 --> 01:42:17,640
a debt to the voodoo gods and
that's why he had to fool the prints.

1308
01:42:18,119 --> 01:42:27,680
And so this is very Faustian,
right, and it's also foreshadowing of

1309
01:42:27,720 --> 01:42:31,439
the next movie We're going to talk
about the Devil in Max Dublin because he

1310
01:42:31,560 --> 01:42:36,159
owes a debt to the underworld.
Also, well, that's also very much

1311
01:42:36,159 --> 01:42:41,079
like addiction, which this is my
little pivot here and too side note footnote

1312
01:42:41,079 --> 01:42:45,960
to Aladdin. Aladdin's all about addiction
too, because these whole situations where anybody

1313
01:42:45,039 --> 01:42:49,840
is going offering where they run out
of their voodoo juice or their spell their

1314
01:42:49,880 --> 01:42:55,720
wishes and they need to turn to
the other side quote unquote, they don't

1315
01:42:55,760 --> 01:42:58,079
have to up the ante and that's
just like an addict, you know,

1316
01:42:58,800 --> 01:43:00,800
needs to gets fixed, keep upping
it and upping it and upping it.

1317
01:43:00,840 --> 01:43:03,479
When they run out, they got
to go back and get more. And

1318
01:43:03,560 --> 01:43:08,760
so no, don't gonna be wrong. Disney's not purporting like good be a

1319
01:43:08,760 --> 01:43:13,960
good addict behavior kind of deal.
But they're definitely showing that these when one,

1320
01:43:14,279 --> 01:43:15,720
hey, maybe in a good way, they're saying that when one gets

1321
01:43:15,760 --> 01:43:23,039
involved in this voodoo world occultism,
you're going to be dealing with addict addiction

1322
01:43:23,239 --> 01:43:34,560
behavior essentially dating these addictions to get
more spirit addiction. Especially if you think

1323
01:43:34,760 --> 01:43:41,159
getting back to Freddie Prince's Force the
Force school, that's who the fool for

1324
01:43:41,239 --> 01:43:47,079
Christ will be in this school.
Yeah, but when you believe that there's

1325
01:43:47,119 --> 01:43:51,199
a dualism good and bad or even
it's neutral, it's just about where you

1326
01:43:51,239 --> 01:43:56,039
put your will in the force,
it's just so much work, man,

1327
01:43:56,119 --> 01:44:00,800
because then you have to like figure
out which side you're on and how to

1328
01:44:00,880 --> 01:44:04,119
please and do the right things,
and where is the actual boundary and where's

1329
01:44:04,199 --> 01:44:08,520
the line? And is it okay
to actually have sex with this person or

1330
01:44:08,640 --> 01:44:12,079
not? And I don't know,
and should I go out and do this

1331
01:44:12,159 --> 01:44:15,319
thing? I don't know? Or
it's like I mean, I confess it.

1332
01:44:15,399 --> 01:44:19,000
Like as being the hero of your
own story. Magic is exciting because

1333
01:44:19,039 --> 01:44:24,359
it sends you on an adventure in
a quest and a mystery, man,

1334
01:44:24,600 --> 01:44:27,359
Like, it can't really get you
into trouble. Like, let's put it

1335
01:44:27,359 --> 01:44:30,199
this way, let me a becoming
a Christian, you know. Yeah,

1336
01:44:30,279 --> 01:44:34,079
and it's not gonna be there for
you when you need help, real,

1337
01:44:34,479 --> 01:44:40,680
actual help in the real world.
All of your magic books is nothing.

1338
01:44:41,560 --> 01:44:44,439
Well, not only that, if
you're in your magic system, you know,

1339
01:44:44,520 --> 01:44:47,359
to be silly, your slack magic, and no one else knows you're

1340
01:44:48,000 --> 01:44:53,159
decoding language and you're like in a
fire in a room, burning and trying

1341
01:44:53,199 --> 01:44:55,079
to say, help me, help
me, help me. Nobody will be

1342
01:44:55,119 --> 01:44:57,800
like, I don't know how to
get into the building, Like, yeah,

1343
01:44:57,960 --> 01:45:00,479
you're on like the twelfth floor,
and throw me down the card,

1344
01:45:00,600 --> 01:45:01,800
you know, and you're like,
I don't have it. It's all thumb

1345
01:45:01,880 --> 01:45:08,239
print, id right, no one
can get in this burning house, met

1346
01:45:08,279 --> 01:45:14,920
me. So what did you think
about when the firefly died and went up

1347
01:45:14,960 --> 01:45:19,319
and became a star? Yeah?
Okay, so the star, you know,

1348
01:45:19,439 --> 01:45:23,239
I I'll say, I'll say,
what are your thoughts on that?

1349
01:45:23,279 --> 01:45:27,359
I didn't think much about that.
That's specifically well, I mean it's kind

1350
01:45:27,359 --> 01:45:30,800
of flimic. Every man and woman
is a star. We covered the star

1351
01:45:31,399 --> 01:45:40,119
Lucifer in the beginning. It became
a binary star, right, Yeah,

1352
01:45:40,159 --> 01:45:45,319
I thought that was a little go
ahead. In magic, a binary star

1353
01:45:45,439 --> 01:45:49,199
usually is a symbol of serious and
what is the Salimic? What is that

1354
01:45:49,319 --> 01:45:55,720
term, Oh, Falimic, that's
Alstraculi's system of magic called Falima, which

1355
01:45:55,760 --> 01:46:01,479
is the Greek world, right,
Alista Crumb, Yes, Alistair Crumb,

1356
01:46:02,319 --> 01:46:05,640
Yeah, Crump, Yeah, yeah, Crump. I thought the only thing

1357
01:46:05,680 --> 01:46:10,640
I thought, the only note on
the firefly was that basically he's kind of

1358
01:46:10,680 --> 01:46:14,439
like the underworld guide that leads them
to the divine feminine, you know,

1359
01:46:14,479 --> 01:46:19,000
the fairy godmother, which is just
kind of like a typical trope in this

1360
01:46:19,039 --> 01:46:24,039
sort of like underworld journey sort of
stuff. The only thing that was my

1361
01:46:24,119 --> 01:46:29,399
only comment on all that was the
star's name is Evangeline. Yeah, and

1362
01:46:29,800 --> 01:46:36,960
in Greek eve evan gelion. That
is the gospel evangelical, and so yeah,

1363
01:46:38,000 --> 01:46:40,520
I just thought it is you know
again, I'm reaching, I'm just

1364
01:46:40,640 --> 01:46:44,239
doing hashing out the word and maybe
sticking at the middle of the movie if

1365
01:46:44,239 --> 01:46:46,000
there's anything that makes sense of it, sure, and if not, whatever,

1366
01:46:46,199 --> 01:46:50,039
But yeah, it's funny because the
evangelion back in the day the Roman

1367
01:46:50,079 --> 01:46:55,520
Empire, that the evangelion would be
like a message that the Romans would send

1368
01:46:55,520 --> 01:46:58,560
when they come into your territory and
they're coming to set up shop in your

1369
01:46:58,560 --> 01:47:00,920
house, Like, here's the good
news, Jamie. This is now everything's

1370
01:47:00,960 --> 01:47:03,920
going to happen to you. Under
the Roman Empire, and that was called

1371
01:47:03,920 --> 01:47:08,560
the good news. So Christians used
the good news, and they use that

1372
01:47:08,640 --> 01:47:13,159
same word and like inverted it and
flipped it on their head. The version

1373
01:47:13,199 --> 01:47:15,600
it's like, oh you all know
the good news. Now, this is

1374
01:47:15,640 --> 01:47:19,960
the good news. Jesus Christ dead, crucified, resurrected, you know.

1375
01:47:20,399 --> 01:47:25,239
So I just thought it was an
interesting way that even the word it's like

1376
01:47:25,279 --> 01:47:32,840
these things like you're saying earlier about
the hromo animals. The kid doesn't notice

1377
01:47:32,840 --> 01:47:36,359
that, but it gets in there. Nonetheless, it's the same thing with

1378
01:47:36,399 --> 01:47:43,399
little things like this, like the
word evangelical, the gospel being used as

1379
01:47:43,520 --> 01:47:48,159
a night star like sort of feminine
in my in my opinion, feminine,

1380
01:47:48,359 --> 01:47:55,439
sort of lunar goddess, you know, just basically pagan astrological associations, kind

1381
01:47:55,479 --> 01:48:00,399
of subtle ways that these words will
influence us, you know, saying it's

1382
01:48:00,439 --> 01:48:03,920
important to know that they're saying the
gospel in this film is the as you're

1383
01:48:03,920 --> 01:48:09,199
saying, the binary star venus there
are serious would be the binary star,

1384
01:48:09,399 --> 01:48:12,039
Yes, yes, yeah, well
the Venus is the evening star, who

1385
01:48:12,079 --> 01:48:15,760
are also saying might be the same
one as this, you know, saying,

1386
01:48:15,760 --> 01:48:17,399
when we're doing our pattern recognition,
it's not that far of a leap

1387
01:48:18,840 --> 01:48:24,520
at all. The divine, feminine
goddess star is the one you turn to,

1388
01:48:25,119 --> 01:48:33,039
you know, yeah, because serious
is associated with isis So anyway,

1389
01:48:33,960 --> 01:48:40,720
that was all I had for Princess
and the frog. Yeah. My only

1390
01:48:40,760 --> 01:48:44,880
notes on this really is that there
are a lot of sort of Christian yet

1391
01:48:44,920 --> 01:48:48,920
I call bizarro Christian moments like ycause
we're moving along, let's do it quickly

1392
01:48:49,319 --> 01:48:54,159
on the sort of one and then
the other work work, work for your

1393
01:48:54,159 --> 01:48:58,960
salvation. Good, but working for
legacy, not for love of the Lord.

1394
01:48:59,239 --> 01:49:02,439
For salvation and proper not so good. Almost there. That song,

1395
01:49:02,439 --> 01:49:10,199
it's about faith and hope. It's
about faith, oneself, m food brings

1396
01:49:10,199 --> 01:49:13,920
people together. Her father says,
comes a lot like eucharous to me,

1397
01:49:14,359 --> 01:49:19,319
but she doesn't believe in wishing on
stars. And then later she says,

1398
01:49:19,359 --> 01:49:23,920
serves me right for wishing on a
star after she goes their whole transformation.

1399
01:49:24,079 --> 01:49:29,640
So even there they're kind of showing
this ambiguity of wishing on stars. Yeah,

1400
01:49:29,760 --> 01:49:31,199
which is a kind of pro Christian, is what I'm trying to say,

1401
01:49:31,439 --> 01:49:35,439
Like she really gets in trouble from
wishing on her star. Do your

1402
01:49:35,439 --> 01:49:39,199
best every day and good things are
good to come your way as one of

1403
01:49:39,199 --> 01:49:42,960
the songs. And then I put
ever heard of joke that guy did his

1404
01:49:43,079 --> 01:49:45,119
best every day, you know,
and good things didn't quite come to his

1405
01:49:45,199 --> 01:49:48,680
way in the sense that right,
you know, obviously in the end they

1406
01:49:48,720 --> 01:49:53,520
did. Yeah, And then we
got of course good versus evil magic,

1407
01:49:53,880 --> 01:49:58,000
and then we mentioned that and then
find out who you are, digg a

1408
01:49:58,039 --> 01:50:00,600
little you know, find out who
you are deep inside. Find the image

1409
01:50:00,600 --> 01:50:03,199
of God is played in that song, dig a little deeper, you know.

1410
01:50:03,399 --> 01:50:05,319
I'm just trying to say. It's
like when you go in and dig

1411
01:50:05,359 --> 01:50:09,600
in and go in, turn on
and dig inside yourself, like you just

1412
01:50:09,680 --> 01:50:15,119
might come out of your own butthole
at the end. He's gotta be careful

1413
01:50:15,199 --> 01:50:23,640
digging deep, you know, don't
drill down too far, right, Yeah,

1414
01:50:23,960 --> 01:50:27,640
go on, But yeah, that's
that's this movie, kids, careful

1415
01:50:27,680 --> 01:50:33,399
with voodoo, close themes of Christian
ideals, but not quiet. I just

1416
01:50:33,520 --> 01:50:40,119
drankkyant pepper. Sorry, Oh you
haven't liked that honey cayenne lemon drink.

1417
01:50:40,239 --> 01:50:43,239
It was the last step at the
bottom minute. It was really spicy.

1418
01:50:44,279 --> 01:50:49,039
Now my eyes are watering. Okay, let's talk about the devil and Max

1419
01:50:49,119 --> 01:50:56,159
Devlin. This was really weird.
It was. It was sort of a

1420
01:50:56,239 --> 01:51:00,399
Christmas Carol story, a Scrooge if
you will, Yeah, he has to

1421
01:51:00,479 --> 01:51:05,319
learn to love story. What year
for our audience here in nineteen seventy eight,

1422
01:51:05,520 --> 01:51:14,000
seventy nine, okay, okay,
which is the year that Jamie got

1423
01:51:14,000 --> 01:51:19,439
here into the world. Mhm.
So you've got Elliott Gould slum lord,

1424
01:51:20,560 --> 01:51:31,960
yeah, property manager than smoker,
chain smoker, unscrupulous, deceptive because in

1425
01:51:32,000 --> 01:51:36,039
the beginning, all of the tenants
are like asking him for things and he's

1426
01:51:36,039 --> 01:51:40,680
like sorry, the owner says no, and you can find out he's the

1427
01:51:40,680 --> 01:51:44,279
owner. He's just playing the manager. Yeah, you don't have to fix

1428
01:51:44,319 --> 01:51:47,199
anything, right. Yeah, he's
definitely one of those I'll say what I

1429
01:51:47,279 --> 01:51:51,319
want when I want, you know, honest. At least you can respect

1430
01:51:51,359 --> 01:51:56,760
me for being honest, you know. Yeah, so he's a krumbumb he

1431
01:51:56,800 --> 01:52:00,840
gets hit by a bus full of
Harry Krishna's yeah, okay, like,

1432
01:52:00,920 --> 01:52:03,520
okay, so neither of us knew
what this movie was. We just sort

1433
01:52:03,560 --> 01:52:05,600
of saw the title and we were
like, oh, yeah, I should

1434
01:52:05,680 --> 01:52:08,520
check this out. I mean The
Devil. Yeah, we were going to

1435
01:52:08,560 --> 01:52:11,880
watch that. I was like kind
of blown away the first twenty minutes when

1436
01:52:11,880 --> 01:52:14,399
they're just setting everything up in this
movie. I was like, whoa,

1437
01:52:14,439 --> 01:52:17,560
there's like, don't miss this one, folks. There's some stuff going on

1438
01:52:17,680 --> 01:52:20,880
here, you know, Harry Christmas. There was just so this is one

1439
01:52:20,880 --> 01:52:23,960
of these movies. I was like, what would Walt do? This is

1440
01:52:23,960 --> 01:52:28,199
like for me kind of movie,
Like would he really approve this one?

1441
01:52:28,880 --> 01:52:32,319
Like where he's like falling down into
Hell. It's like so scary. It

1442
01:52:32,520 --> 01:52:44,600
was scary, and the imagery was
kind of like Horonymous Bosh a little bit

1443
01:52:44,840 --> 01:52:48,520
or Dante's Inferno. Oh yeah,
so he gets hit by the bus.

1444
01:52:48,520 --> 01:52:51,560
The Harry Christians come out of the
bus and they're doing their Harry Christna thing.

1445
01:52:51,600 --> 01:52:55,600
And if you've ever been around Harry
Christians, it's so funny because they're

1446
01:52:55,640 --> 01:53:00,880
like the sweetest people but so annoying. Yeah. I not quite Harry Krishnos,

1447
01:53:00,960 --> 01:53:05,239
but I never I just want to
be clear, I only went as

1448
01:53:05,279 --> 01:53:09,000
a visitor because I know online and
on a lot of contexts for this,

1449
01:53:09,119 --> 01:53:12,239
but I also said I did my
time, but I did my time as

1450
01:53:12,279 --> 01:53:19,880
a visitor to Tibetan Buddhist monastery place
like right right here in the Redwoods.

1451
01:53:19,359 --> 01:53:24,439
I knew it's just kind of weird
because like again, everybody's really nice,

1452
01:53:24,520 --> 01:53:28,000
and this was years and years ago, but just felt so phony, Like

1453
01:53:28,039 --> 01:53:31,560
there's just this way that like I
don't know, people just all wanted to

1454
01:53:31,640 --> 01:53:38,640
become having apollo the Nepalese sounding names, and like they all were going to

1455
01:53:38,720 --> 01:53:48,279
learn what's the language. I guess
it would be, No, maybe it's

1456
01:53:48,279 --> 01:53:51,800
like they're specific one whatever it is, they're like learning all the language,

1457
01:53:51,840 --> 01:53:56,520
like just all these like you know, good old, good old American boys

1458
01:53:56,560 --> 01:53:59,479
and girls that were like just shaving
their head and getting all weird. And

1459
01:53:59,600 --> 01:54:03,600
I was just I do this just
like and the way they're just so hush

1460
01:54:03,720 --> 01:54:10,520
hush and reverent around there, like
masters as they call them, like super

1461
01:54:10,560 --> 01:54:13,359
weird. Like not to mention these
giant statues. Sorry, I'm just like

1462
01:54:13,399 --> 01:54:17,159
having flashbacks now. It always is
interesting to me what kind of people these

1463
01:54:17,199 --> 01:54:30,039
culture in and Harry Christians is very
docile nik dissociative. There were there any

1464
01:54:30,079 --> 01:54:34,279
famous stories with the Harry Christnas like
kind of how and the more less codified

1465
01:54:34,319 --> 01:54:42,079
ones get like the kind of oshows
and you get the whole that like the

1466
01:54:42,119 --> 01:54:45,439
compounds with the like that one in
the organ or Washington, Like is there

1467
01:54:45,439 --> 01:54:49,279
anything like that? The hardy Christnas
that were like notably crazy Jake Jonestown style,

1468
01:54:49,760 --> 01:54:54,439
not that I know of. And
the only times I would come across

1469
01:54:54,039 --> 01:55:01,039
at the Rainbow Gathering when they cross
pass with hippies and they just sing all

1470
01:55:01,079 --> 01:55:05,840
the time, and they will sing
from sun up to sundown and pat like

1471
01:55:06,199 --> 01:55:10,760
wait into the night, just Harry
Krishna, Harry Christna, Harry Krishna,

1472
01:55:10,920 --> 01:55:16,640
like please shut up. They will
take tunes, you will know all of

1473
01:55:16,680 --> 01:55:20,680
the tunes, but the words will
be replaced by Harry Krishna. Yeah,

1474
01:55:20,720 --> 01:55:29,279
it's like that Georgia Harrison some Beatles
is all in the Harry Krishna Hinduism stuff.

1475
01:55:29,560 --> 01:55:31,640
Yeah. So that's just a little
point in the movie. Like the

1476
01:55:31,720 --> 01:55:35,960
bus that hit him was the Harry
Krishna's bus, so he gets to hell

1477
01:55:36,560 --> 01:55:40,199
time. They're trying to be so
topical, right, Like why would they

1478
01:55:40,199 --> 01:55:44,239
do that in nineteen eighty I don't
know. Was it just for a wackiness

1479
01:55:44,319 --> 01:55:50,760
component, Yeah, the equivalent today, no, like a cult boy scouts.

1480
01:55:54,399 --> 01:55:59,119
Yeah. So he gets to Hell
and he's welcomed by Bill Cosby,

1481
01:56:00,600 --> 01:56:05,319
right, who's a total innocent guy
who never did anything bad whatsoever. Yeah,

1482
01:56:05,399 --> 01:56:10,079
that part was super weird because he's
saying how he wants quote unquote three

1483
01:56:10,159 --> 01:56:15,760
fresh, unsullied innocent stalls. Well. Yeah, so Bill Cosby tells La

1484
01:56:15,880 --> 01:56:23,079
Gould that you deserve level four and
he does the whole normy thing like I'm

1485
01:56:23,119 --> 01:56:26,640
a good person, Like I never
did anything super bad. I was just

1486
01:56:26,680 --> 01:56:32,520
as bad as like the next person. So it's your you know, typical

1487
01:56:33,039 --> 01:56:38,680
excuse, make an excuse with excuses
in sin. Well, and I was

1488
01:56:38,720 --> 01:56:44,479
going to ask you this would probably
be a good place to describe the Orthodox

1489
01:56:45,680 --> 01:56:51,399
view of hell and the afterlife because
it's very cool. So I did a

1490
01:56:51,399 --> 01:56:56,560
lot of notes in the weeks prior
thinking of wanting to talk about this,

1491
01:56:57,039 --> 01:57:00,399
But honestly, I have very little
humility. But here I'm gonna just say,

1492
01:57:00,520 --> 01:57:04,279
folks, go talk to your precy
look up stuff about after because it's

1493
01:57:04,279 --> 01:57:09,119
it's complex. Yeah, It's like
I'm man simple and yet it's complex,

1494
01:57:09,199 --> 01:57:12,079
Like because I don't want to just
be another dude online. He's talking about

1495
01:57:12,079 --> 01:57:15,000
what orthodoxy is to the world when
I have so much to learn on my

1496
01:57:15,039 --> 01:57:19,920
own. Sorry, l after death
it's probably Sarah from Rose and honestly anything

1497
01:57:19,920 --> 01:57:26,279
you could find about afterlife and Hell. I mean, I guess I'd only

1498
01:57:26,319 --> 01:57:32,039
say, at the very least trying
to think about his saying in context for

1499
01:57:32,119 --> 01:57:39,840
this movie. I don't think it's
orthodox. Let's just put it that way.

1500
01:57:40,079 --> 01:57:43,720
Here's how I can forgive me.
I don't have a lot to go

1501
01:57:43,800 --> 01:57:46,399
there on that. But but to
your one point, I was gonna say,

1502
01:57:46,560 --> 01:57:48,439
I'm sorry, go and I could
leave it. I could leave it.

1503
01:57:48,479 --> 01:57:51,640
Go ahead. Well, I was
just gonna say, you can.

1504
01:57:53,479 --> 01:57:57,399
Here's how I understood as it was
explained to me. And please forgive me

1505
01:57:57,439 --> 01:58:01,479
if I'm wrong, or correct me
if I get it wrong. But the

1506
01:58:01,479 --> 01:58:06,399
hell fire is the uncreated energies of
God. Oh okay, I could say

1507
01:58:06,439 --> 01:58:10,680
this much. Yeah, So Heaven
and hell are the same exact thing.

1508
01:58:11,800 --> 01:58:16,199
They're the experience of God's love.
Yes, one is choosing to face it

1509
01:58:16,239 --> 01:58:18,399
and accept it and the other.
It's kind of like, let's say,

1510
01:58:19,159 --> 01:58:23,439
I'll make myself a really bad example
here. If folks can laugh at home.

1511
01:58:23,720 --> 01:58:26,640
Let's say I have a crush on
a girl or she's my girlfriend or

1512
01:58:26,680 --> 01:58:31,239
whatever, somebody I'm in a relationship
with and I constantly am calling her all

1513
01:58:31,279 --> 01:58:35,279
the time and she doesn't want to
answer my calls. Oh, Paul,

1514
01:58:35,319 --> 01:58:38,680
he's so annoying. He won't stop
calling me, you know. Blah blah

1515
01:58:38,680 --> 01:58:41,800
bla blah blah. That's like being
in hell for us, though I shouldn't

1516
01:58:41,800 --> 01:58:45,239
inquate myself to God. It's like
God keeps calling you and he's like,

1517
01:58:45,560 --> 01:58:46,720
Jamie, I love you, Jamie, I want to get a hold of

1518
01:58:46,720 --> 01:58:48,800
you. Paul, I love you. I want to get a hold of

1519
01:58:48,840 --> 01:58:50,439
you, and You're like, no, no, no, no, don't

1520
01:58:50,479 --> 01:58:55,279
stop. I'll just text you later
when I'm not so busy or yeah.

1521
01:58:55,960 --> 01:59:00,279
And so hell is the same experience
of heaven, but just the rejection of

1522
01:59:00,359 --> 01:59:06,079
God's love. Yes, So in
essence, I've we're all going to the

1523
01:59:06,119 --> 01:59:13,039
same place, but we experience it
differently, Yes, depending on your relationship

1524
01:59:13,079 --> 01:59:15,760
with God. The thing that the
thing that I don't feel comfortable saying,

1525
01:59:15,960 --> 01:59:19,199
and I hope maybe somebody super smart
in the comments can help me out.

1526
01:59:19,359 --> 01:59:23,920
I'm a dummy. But it's like, because we have sort of two judgments

1527
01:59:23,920 --> 01:59:27,720
in the Orthodoxy, our initial one
when we die, and then the final

1528
01:59:27,840 --> 01:59:30,800
judgment. And I know that we
don't believe in purgatory, but in my

1529
01:59:30,840 --> 01:59:35,039
own like headcan and I just start
getting confused when I start thinking about,

1530
01:59:35,199 --> 01:59:40,279
like, so, wait, what
is the state of a soul right now?

1531
01:59:40,319 --> 01:59:42,399
Are they in heaven? And if
they are in heaven, then there's

1532
01:59:42,439 --> 01:59:45,840
the next judgment? What comes after
that? The second new creation, in

1533
01:59:45,840 --> 01:59:49,279
which case will people leave heaven and
then we enter in the new creation because

1534
01:59:49,279 --> 01:59:53,720
we say that Earth will be recreated. Like this is I'm totally showing how

1535
01:59:53,760 --> 01:59:58,720
dumb I am and I need more
Catechism, But yeah, I get a

1536
01:59:58,720 --> 02:00:01,640
little confused honestly when start contemplating the
afterlife. That's why I tried to just

1537
02:00:01,720 --> 02:00:05,880
work on my repentance in this life, you know. Yeah, And some

1538
02:00:05,920 --> 02:00:09,359
people will get mad at you,
like you think I'm going to Hell,

1539
02:00:09,399 --> 02:00:12,960
and I'm like, no, I
don't think anyone is technically going to a

1540
02:00:13,000 --> 02:00:17,119
place that is just fire. It's
the way I understand it in my dumb

1541
02:00:17,159 --> 02:00:20,720
mind is like we're all going to
the same concert, but if you hate

1542
02:00:20,720 --> 02:00:24,720
the person that's playing the music,
then you're going to hate it there.

1543
02:00:24,760 --> 02:00:30,520
But if you love them, then
you're gonna enjoy it, right, So

1544
02:00:30,680 --> 02:00:35,479
if you're swifty, you'll love it. They're just kidding. Yeah, So

1545
02:00:35,520 --> 02:00:41,159
he's in how they tell him he's
going to love before unless he can find

1546
02:00:41,279 --> 02:00:44,560
three souls to take his place.
And he tries to bargain like, oh,

1547
02:00:44,640 --> 02:00:45,680
yeah, I know three bad people. I can get them for you,

1548
02:00:45,720 --> 02:00:47,399
and they're like no, no,
no, no, we're going to

1549
02:00:47,479 --> 02:00:53,840
get those people anyway. We want
three people that wouldn't be here if not

1550
02:00:53,920 --> 02:00:58,960
for you. So they send him
back to Earth. Misties into what I

1551
02:00:58,960 --> 02:01:01,600
was kind of saying earlier about the
danger of Disney Magic is that when people

1552
02:01:01,640 --> 02:01:05,399
are open, like the devil doesn't
care about those dirty people that he was

1553
02:01:05,439 --> 02:01:09,439
trying to offer them, right because
he's like, I'm not already doing our

1554
02:01:09,439 --> 02:01:12,439
bidding. We don't care about that. That's fine. Let the second atheists

1555
02:01:12,439 --> 02:01:15,079
just do their own thing. We
don't care about them. Sorry I'm picking

1556
02:01:15,079 --> 02:01:18,199
on I'm picking on them. But
but these Disney folks that are into following

1557
02:01:18,239 --> 02:01:23,960
their dreams and daydreaming and their super
innocent youth that just want a happy life

1558
02:01:24,000 --> 02:01:28,520
and they're tormented in their step family
home, go after them. You know,

1559
02:01:28,840 --> 02:01:30,199
that's kind of what he's saying.
So I started saying, these demons

1560
02:01:30,520 --> 02:01:34,960
will pray on us in the innocuous
ways. They don't care about the ones

1561
02:01:35,000 --> 02:01:41,039
that are just doing like the obvious
Grammy Satanism type of deal. Right,

1562
02:01:41,239 --> 02:01:44,920
And you're they tell you when you
join the church as a Catechuman, like,

1563
02:01:45,079 --> 02:01:47,680
they're like, you're never going to
have as much demonic opposition as right

1564
02:01:47,720 --> 02:01:51,039
now in your life because you're on
this threshold of like making this big decision,

1565
02:01:51,119 --> 02:01:59,359
so that they are out to not
let that happen. M So,

1566
02:02:00,239 --> 02:02:03,520
if there's any Catechists, Catechists,
there, any Catechumans out there, ask

1567
02:02:03,600 --> 02:02:11,239
your priests for Catechism prayers right now
because there's an exorcism. And then as

1568
02:02:11,239 --> 02:02:18,239
well, Yeah, so he's got
to get three innocent souls, including children,

1569
02:02:18,399 --> 02:02:24,960
Like this is dark, right,
Yeah, gotta get kids to sign

1570
02:02:25,000 --> 02:02:28,000
their soul to the devil. I
say, what would won't make about this

1571
02:02:28,039 --> 02:02:30,359
movie? You know, like another
guy got his things, but I feel

1572
02:02:30,359 --> 02:02:34,319
like this one is a little little
dark Disney for us here. Yeah,

1573
02:02:34,359 --> 02:02:39,520
that's why I want to do Black
Holder into sometime. Uh huh. So

1574
02:02:39,760 --> 02:02:44,720
Elliott Gould goes back to Earth,
and the first victim he finds is like

1575
02:02:45,520 --> 02:02:49,079
this singer girl, this young musician
named Stilla. Okay, going back just

1576
02:02:49,159 --> 02:02:53,319
a bit, remember the way he
finds her, the way he uses his

1577
02:02:53,399 --> 02:02:58,079
powers. He's like, doesn't oh
yeah, yeah, King Chong eye thing,

1578
02:02:58,159 --> 02:03:00,720
and he's like, I didn't know
if that was a joker. It

1579
02:03:00,800 --> 02:03:04,960
was like, I see, I'm
just like, what's going on? It

1580
02:03:05,119 --> 02:03:09,640
was really goofy, like sometimes he
could teleport and sometimes he couldn't. I

1581
02:03:09,680 --> 02:03:15,399
didn't understand the dynamics of that.
But so he finds Stella, a young

1582
02:03:15,520 --> 02:03:19,399
musician who wants to be a singer, and she's kind of like baby Barber

1583
02:03:19,439 --> 02:03:24,800
streisand is what I wrote down,
dude, Yes, I wrote that same

1584
02:03:24,840 --> 02:03:28,319
thing more or less. Yeah,
I guess in real life that was kind

1585
02:03:28,319 --> 02:03:33,760
of this woman's thing. I think
her name was truly oh she I can't

1586
02:03:33,760 --> 02:03:36,720
remember her name, but I looked
up her wiki and they are kind of

1587
02:03:36,720 --> 02:03:40,840
calling her the next streisand but oh
well, she looked like her, she

1588
02:03:40,880 --> 02:03:45,840
act like her, she sounds like
her. Like the lyrics of her song

1589
02:03:46,039 --> 02:03:50,680
was It's time to Believe in Me, like yeah, yeah, yeah,

1590
02:03:50,720 --> 02:03:56,079
I love myself kind of stuff,
which fun fact, I do not mind

1591
02:03:56,159 --> 02:03:59,560
Barber streisand I think she's a great
singer and I think her movies are really

1592
02:03:59,640 --> 02:04:09,239
good. So seconded, Yeah,
number two was Nelson the Nerd. Yeah

1593
02:04:09,279 --> 02:04:13,720
the nerd mode ever kept calling him
nerd. That was like his default pile.

1594
02:04:13,760 --> 02:04:16,199
It's funny watching this in time capsule
mode, where like to be a

1595
02:04:16,199 --> 02:04:23,319
nerd that would be like, oh, I don't know, calling someone I

1596
02:04:23,319 --> 02:04:25,920
don't even know the equivalent would be
in this day and age. But it's

1597
02:04:26,000 --> 02:04:29,279
like, who's the person these days
that you're allowed to make fun of?

1598
02:04:29,399 --> 02:04:33,680
Oh, white guy, You're just
white guy. It's like, it's okay,

1599
02:04:33,800 --> 02:04:40,520
permissible to make fun of this person. And yeah, that's kind of

1600
02:04:40,520 --> 02:04:42,920
what the nerd was back in the
day. That's like Revenge of the Nerds

1601
02:04:43,000 --> 02:04:46,239
time too. And I think it's
funny what he wants to do to me

1602
02:04:46,359 --> 02:04:53,880
more manly, like motor cross.
That's such a eighties like gen X thing

1603
02:04:54,039 --> 02:04:56,479
is so funny. I know I
thought about that too. I was like,

1604
02:04:56,479 --> 02:05:00,760
why motocross like whatever? Random?
This must have been really cool at

1605
02:05:00,760 --> 02:05:05,119
the time kind of deal. Okay, So Elliott Gould has to get this

1606
02:05:05,199 --> 02:05:12,119
little singer to sign her soul to
the Devil Nelson the Nerd by Motocross,

1607
02:05:12,279 --> 02:05:15,319
and number three is a little boy
named Toby who just wants a dad,

1608
02:05:16,640 --> 02:05:20,800
like in Home ex Mansion. Yeah, it's funny these movies we'd picked,

1609
02:05:20,800 --> 02:05:26,119
they seem to have these interesting uh
nost winks. As Hannon Manson said,

1610
02:05:26,199 --> 02:05:31,560
interface overlaps these movies across the decades
that seem to have these like themes were

1611
02:05:31,600 --> 02:05:36,039
finding between them. I believe Carl
Young will call it synchronicity. I believe

1612
02:05:36,119 --> 02:05:42,119
you're right, right, or some
sort of archetypal conjunc deo. Yes,

1613
02:05:43,119 --> 02:05:48,119
So Uncle Max or Elliott Gould his
name is Max, is like creeping on

1614
02:05:48,159 --> 02:05:55,800
this little boy at the carnival,
Yeah, making him a target to sell

1615
02:05:55,840 --> 02:05:59,079
his soul to the freaking devil.
And he has to mac on his mom

1616
02:06:00,159 --> 02:06:03,479
to get to the boy. Right, So now his mom is go ahead.

1617
02:06:04,319 --> 02:06:08,319
Well, I'm just gonna say,
now he's wrapped up four people in

1618
02:06:08,319 --> 02:06:14,359
this whole uh scheme of him trying
to get out of hell and going to

1619
02:06:14,439 --> 02:06:17,600
the lengths of marrying this lady so
he can get her son to sign his

1620
02:06:17,680 --> 02:06:21,920
soul to the devil so he'd be
his dad, right, But then there's

1621
02:06:21,960 --> 02:06:26,359
a sense of like, but if
he signs the kid's soul and the kid

1622
02:06:26,399 --> 02:06:29,439
goes to Hell, and then now
he just has a lady for himself and

1623
02:06:29,560 --> 02:06:32,119
he's out of hell free card.
Right. Well, the devil tricked him

1624
02:06:32,119 --> 02:06:35,760
and he was like, the people
won't come to Hell until the natural end

1625
02:06:35,800 --> 02:06:43,479
of their life. And he thinks
that yeah, yeah, and so he

1626
02:06:43,520 --> 02:06:46,279
starts to back on the mom by
helping her with her daycare. And why

1627
02:06:46,319 --> 02:06:50,760
does he always like have shaving cuts. I don't know, the guy can't

1628
02:06:50,800 --> 02:06:54,720
shave. It's like they had this
show because one of these funny ways they're

1629
02:06:54,760 --> 02:06:58,760
like trying to do character development,
but they just didn't. It's kind of

1630
02:06:58,800 --> 02:07:01,159
like, oh, supposed to get
the sense that he never has time.

1631
02:07:01,239 --> 02:07:04,159
He's always rushing around. But I
just saw as an audience member, I

1632
02:07:04,239 --> 02:07:09,560
was like, did he just cut
himself shaving today? And they like decide

1633
02:07:09,600 --> 02:07:14,680
to film anyways, like I know, like every scene. Okay, total

1634
02:07:14,720 --> 02:07:19,000
side note if you're seeing which is
of Eastwick? No really? Oh you

1635
02:07:19,119 --> 02:07:30,239
probably like it bad Midler? No, it's uh Michelle Phifer share Jack Nicholson

1636
02:07:30,920 --> 02:07:34,039
Okay, and another one I'm forgetting. Anyways, there's literally a scene where

1637
02:07:34,279 --> 02:07:38,720
Michelle phifer. Like in one scene
in the movie, she has like a

1638
02:07:38,720 --> 02:07:43,239
cold sword and you're just like,
what is going on in this and anyway

1639
02:07:43,319 --> 02:07:45,000
is it? They thought it's like
witch magic, but it's just a cold

1640
02:07:45,000 --> 02:07:50,000
sword. Okay they filled that so
sorry. But he's not very good at

1641
02:07:50,000 --> 02:07:57,079
shaving, but he keep did you
think it was creepy? The way he

1642
02:07:57,079 --> 02:08:01,000
shows up at her house was like
that all the play place stuff all set

1643
02:08:01,039 --> 02:08:01,840
up for the kids, and he's
like, I thought you would like that

1644
02:08:01,960 --> 02:08:05,680
if I just you know, broke
into your yard and set this whole place

1645
02:08:05,760 --> 02:08:09,359
up with like playground toys. Yes, I just thought it was funny,

1646
02:08:09,399 --> 02:08:13,560
Like maybe this could fly in the
eighties, but this would never go down

1647
02:08:13,680 --> 02:08:16,159
today, Like calling her up the
same day, I'm madly in love with

1648
02:08:16,199 --> 02:08:22,000
you, and she kind of like, okay, today that would be like,

1649
02:08:22,079 --> 02:08:26,560
sir, you are crazy and I'm
getting a restraining order. Yeah,

1650
02:08:26,720 --> 02:08:28,600
totally. Yeah. The way they
macked on each other, it was total

1651
02:08:28,680 --> 02:08:35,720
restraining order twenty twenty three. Yeah, So he's starting to turn, you

1652
02:08:35,720 --> 02:08:41,960
know, his heart is starting to
be invested in the children and his clients,

1653
02:08:41,000 --> 02:08:46,159
which is the nerd motor cross boy
and the singer girl. So what

1654
02:08:46,199 --> 02:08:54,279
it is is like his satanic power
is what gives them talent, right right,

1655
02:08:56,000 --> 02:09:01,439
so he can get them to sign
his contract. This is for some

1656
02:09:01,479 --> 02:09:03,760
reason I'm just thinking right away with
like, keep talking about a Little Mermaid

1657
02:09:03,760 --> 02:09:07,840
tonight, But it's the same deal
with a Little Mermaid, same deal with

1658
02:09:09,880 --> 02:09:11,960
trying to think of some other Disney
classics. Well, in a weird way,

1659
02:09:13,079 --> 02:09:16,640
Dumbo even getting his little feather gets
him to fly at the end,

1660
02:09:16,600 --> 02:09:22,479
and getting his magic lamp gets him
his wishes. Hercules, I think,

1661
02:09:24,520 --> 02:09:28,239
doesn't Hercules do some soul selling too? No, no, no, Meg

1662
02:09:28,359 --> 02:09:33,920
sells her that's right, though,
see Meg does at some point. Then

1663
02:09:33,000 --> 02:09:37,479
Disney soul selling is nothing new,
and we're skipping over so many other movies.

1664
02:09:37,520 --> 02:09:43,920
I'm sure. If it's not selling
your soul directly, it's an exchange

1665
02:09:43,960 --> 02:09:50,319
of something of the heroes willingly or
unwillingly by the villain that then caused him

1666
02:09:50,359 --> 02:09:54,960
to get this magical contest. Like
Sleeping Beauty too, right, she doesn't

1667
02:09:54,960 --> 02:10:01,720
willfully sell her soul, but by
pricking giving her blood to the witches sewing

1668
02:10:01,880 --> 02:10:07,600
spinning wheel, she thereby gets in
that faustine bargain you know exactly. I've

1669
02:10:07,640 --> 02:10:11,680
just had that in my notes,
it's Faustine exactly, and just like Robert

1670
02:10:11,720 --> 02:10:18,800
Johnson's story at the Crossroads. Yeah, and there's an excellent documentary called They

1671
02:10:18,840 --> 02:10:22,920
Sold Their Souls for rock and Roll. It's Protestant in the nineties, so

1672
02:10:22,960 --> 02:10:28,199
it's a little goofy, but it's
got several several parts and it like they

1673
02:10:28,239 --> 02:10:31,960
will prove to you that in rock
and roll you do sell your soul to

1674
02:10:33,119 --> 02:10:37,800
the devil. I don't get it, man, I mean it's like these

1675
02:10:37,800 --> 02:10:43,520
things are on the most subtle,
like art kind of thing with Disney is

1676
02:10:43,520 --> 02:10:46,199
it, Like, look, it
doesn't have to be luciferret New World Lord

1677
02:10:46,239 --> 02:10:50,880
of stuff. Even on the smallest
innocuous level, these themes are real.

1678
02:10:50,399 --> 02:10:56,520
And I'll totally agree, like rock
and roll is totally demotic, like find

1679
02:10:56,560 --> 02:11:00,319
out there and be like really,
dude. But but yeah, I don't

1680
02:11:00,319 --> 02:11:03,520
know, just like the emotions and
things that it can elicit and arouse.

1681
02:11:03,560 --> 02:11:07,199
I'll speak for myself, you know, especially as I'm converted become a Christian.

1682
02:11:07,319 --> 02:11:09,840
I look at my old life,
I'm like, man, like I'm

1683
02:11:09,880 --> 02:11:13,640
so sensitive to energies and like sound
is such a powerful music is such a

1684
02:11:13,640 --> 02:11:18,600
powerful force that, Yeah, music
can really really mess with your mind.

1685
02:11:18,920 --> 02:11:24,479
And come back to voodoo and rock
and roll. It the different drum beats

1686
02:11:24,600 --> 02:11:33,359
signal the arrival of different gods.
So you play you know, leg buzz

1687
02:11:33,920 --> 02:11:37,760
beat or ocean or whoever on the
drums to get them to come. And

1688
02:11:37,800 --> 02:11:45,920
so this is infused into rock and
roll and the drums, and it's all

1689
02:11:46,279 --> 02:11:50,520
imagine two. You're like some ancient
tribal person and like, you know,

1690
02:11:50,640 --> 02:11:56,560
you hear these drums on the horizon
like some other arn't like civilization's coming to

1691
02:11:56,560 --> 02:11:58,600
come kill you. You know,
it's like drums are scary, like the

1692
02:11:58,600 --> 02:12:01,399
middle of nature and it's all common, peaceful, and you start hearing like

1693
02:12:03,840 --> 02:12:07,640
you'd be like, what is that
like? Especially at the rhythmic consistency,

1694
02:12:09,199 --> 02:12:11,319
You're like, I don't think that's
a grasshopper anymore. You know. It's

1695
02:12:11,359 --> 02:12:16,520
like music has this powerful effect well, and it can change the rhythms of

1696
02:12:16,600 --> 02:12:24,680
your heartbeat. And I have heard
there's no way to prove this, but

1697
02:12:24,720 --> 02:12:31,239
the when they would do sacrifices to
molock in the old old old time times,

1698
02:12:31,279 --> 02:12:35,760
they would use drums to cover up
this crying of mothers and children.

1699
02:12:35,359 --> 02:12:41,680
Oh yikes. You know, the
music thing. It's like, I confess,

1700
02:12:41,720 --> 02:12:46,800
I think so much of my Disney
dives began from the music because as

1701
02:12:46,840 --> 02:12:50,000
a musician, and somebody can again
you talk brab Streisan, I like musical

1702
02:12:50,039 --> 02:12:54,399
theater, I like opera, I
like good I like good music, and

1703
02:12:54,439 --> 02:12:58,600
you hear the music of these Disney
films and it's like top level Broadway composition

1704
02:13:00,119 --> 02:13:05,359
of stuff that years and years and
years and years. You know. Lion

1705
02:13:05,479 --> 02:13:11,439
King is like Hans Zimmer, does
not miss with soundtracks. Most Disney movies

1706
02:13:11,479 --> 02:13:20,359
have a excellent soundtrack. Oh yeah, and I'm going to refrain from that

1707
02:13:20,399 --> 02:13:24,840
comic because I would it's half bigged. But let's say, yeah, I'll

1708
02:13:24,840 --> 02:13:30,279
skip. But moving on. Okay. So Max is the source of the

1709
02:13:30,600 --> 02:13:35,520
special abilities and it doesn't work for
them if he's not around. So he

1710
02:13:35,560 --> 02:13:37,479
always has to be around for the
barber Straisen girl to sing. He always

1711
02:13:37,479 --> 02:13:41,760
has to be around for the nerd
motocross guy to win his races. He

1712
02:13:41,960 --> 02:13:48,960
it doesn't really say the boy doesn't
have a special gift that he just wanted.

1713
02:13:50,279 --> 02:13:52,000
Yeah, they don't really explain.
Some of those movies were kind of

1714
02:13:52,000 --> 02:13:58,640
all fall short with the boy is
he just wants a dad? So then

1715
02:13:58,720 --> 02:14:03,840
there about like the whole innocent child
is kind of still at the end of

1716
02:14:03,840 --> 02:14:07,560
the day, the kind of Christ's
figure that saves Again, I'm kind of

1717
02:14:07,560 --> 02:14:11,119
doing this gnostic Dacoda ring Christian thing
because the thing about the boy doesn't want

1718
02:14:11,159 --> 02:14:15,119
anything. He's pure heart. He
just wants his God, he wants his

1719
02:14:15,159 --> 02:14:18,319
father. But he is street smart
because do you remember that part where they're

1720
02:14:18,319 --> 02:14:22,119
trying to strike a deal and he's
like, I'll give you my toys if

1721
02:14:22,159 --> 02:14:24,920
you be my dad, and they're
like in the max is like okay,

1722
02:14:24,960 --> 02:14:28,920
and then the little boys like,
but you gotta marry my mom first.

1723
02:14:30,079 --> 02:14:33,520
And then the Devil's helper, Bill
Cosby's like, oh, I like this

1724
02:14:33,640 --> 02:14:39,039
kid, like we could use him. He's smart. So yeah, yeah,

1725
02:14:39,279 --> 02:14:43,760
did you see the part where the
girl Stella the barber shows and girls,

1726
02:14:43,840 --> 02:14:50,159
she wins a Grammy and she only
thinks herself right, Yeah, that's

1727
02:14:50,199 --> 02:14:56,399
interesting, And the Bill Cosby devil
helper comes and says, we like them

1728
02:14:56,439 --> 02:15:01,600
to act like monsters. M I
thought you're it's funny. I was hoping

1729
02:15:01,640 --> 02:15:07,640
you're gonna say that. I don't
have much to say other than throwing a

1730
02:15:07,680 --> 02:15:13,520
little thread. The whole like Lady
Gaga and her monster children fans like,

1731
02:15:13,800 --> 02:15:18,359
it's kind of interesting than like monster
and turning it into a good thing,

1732
02:15:18,920 --> 02:15:22,720
which again monsters get to that next. So for reference, like the Bill

1733
02:15:22,760 --> 02:15:26,600
Cosby's like the devil on his shoulder
that only he can see and his pops

1734
02:15:26,680 --> 02:15:31,039
up periodically like where's my souls?
You know? Give me? And did

1735
02:15:31,079 --> 02:15:35,399
you notice the way Bill the way
Cosby played in this movie, He's played

1736
02:15:35,520 --> 02:15:39,800
very straight like monotone. He was
like scary, Like I didn't watch a

1737
02:15:39,840 --> 02:15:43,439
lot, I mean, watch a
Little Cosby show growing up, so like

1738
02:15:43,439 --> 02:15:45,920
I kind of know his character,
but I watched this and I was like,

1739
02:15:45,920 --> 02:15:48,359
oh, this was like a departure
of he's playing against type here in

1740
02:15:48,399 --> 02:15:54,079
this movie, but he's also kind
of playing or not you know, right,

1741
02:15:54,239 --> 02:16:01,399
He's playing a really creepy sader devil. I mean at the you know,

1742
02:16:01,079 --> 02:16:05,800
last act of the movie when Max
Devlin had him and how it's creepy,

1743
02:16:09,479 --> 02:16:11,720
and then I was like, why
is he racing in his car if

1744
02:16:11,720 --> 02:16:16,560
he can teleport places? Yeah,
there's not a lot of continuity in this

1745
02:16:16,600 --> 02:16:20,359
movie. Yeah, that was for
plot dynamics. Yeah, oh and the

1746
02:16:20,399 --> 02:16:24,439
Old Lady. Okay, so the
Old lady that causes him to get hit

1747
02:16:24,479 --> 02:16:28,479
by the bus in the beginning,
we find out she's some kind of agent

1748
02:16:28,159 --> 02:16:31,719
or is she like the angel of
death? Well, that's that's what this

1749
02:16:31,760 --> 02:16:37,440
is. Again, like Disney spirituality, this plays into both Princess Frog and

1750
02:16:37,600 --> 02:16:41,200
especially han Mansion and this this movie, especially in han Mansion's like what is

1751
02:16:41,239 --> 02:16:46,239
the spirit world? Yeah, because
he kept calling her Bill Cosby, kept

1752
02:16:46,280 --> 02:16:50,319
calling her agent Hargroves, I think, okay, the agent, she's working

1753
02:16:50,600 --> 02:16:54,479
for one side or the other of
the whatever cosmic forces. But then at

1754
02:16:54,520 --> 02:17:03,280
the end, when mad Max is
trying to find get the souls saved because

1755
02:17:03,319 --> 02:17:07,440
he wants to repent, he then
sees the old lady and she basically says

1756
02:17:07,520 --> 02:17:13,040
it's not his time, the motocross
kids time, and he'll be okay,

1757
02:17:13,319 --> 02:17:16,079
right, remember when you running her
again at the end. Yeah, then

1758
02:17:16,479 --> 02:17:20,319
got me? Thingy? Is she
an angels them? That's what I mean?

1759
02:17:20,399 --> 02:17:22,440
Is she the angel of death?
So? Or is she an angel

1760
02:17:22,520 --> 02:17:26,200
of life? Is she an angel
of God who's come? Because if she's

1761
02:17:26,280 --> 02:17:30,840
a good angel, and then makes
you wonder all these other questions about the

1762
02:17:30,840 --> 02:17:35,079
metaphysics of this world. It's like, wait, what is this angel setting

1763
02:17:35,120 --> 02:17:39,559
Max off on his journey. Why
is the angel intervening? Or why is

1764
02:17:39,559 --> 02:17:43,239
the angel? Like? Who is
God in this world where there are angels

1765
02:17:43,280 --> 02:17:48,520
and there's the devil, but there's
no Jesus? You know. Again,

1766
02:17:48,520 --> 02:17:52,319
it's like Hollywood. They're just so
afraid to really talk about real spirituality and

1767
02:17:52,360 --> 02:17:58,040
real Jesus. That's gonna make crazy
weird other spiritual worlds where people who aren't

1768
02:17:58,040 --> 02:18:01,440
discerning enough with that, Oh yeah, that makes sense. There's the devil,

1769
02:18:01,840 --> 02:18:05,040
therefore it's good and evil. You
know. I thought the ultimate theme

1770
02:18:05,079 --> 02:18:09,879
of this movie was like, basically, where did I put Salvation is achieved

1771
02:18:11,000 --> 02:18:16,799
through making right choices and thereby defeating
the devil rather than being saved through Jesus.

1772
02:18:18,280 --> 02:18:20,600
Basically, again, it's kind of
like the moral stories, the trade

1773
02:18:20,600 --> 02:18:24,799
your soul the devil, go through
your hero's journey, and you'll eventually be

1774
02:18:24,959 --> 02:18:28,799
victorious and have a life of family, which is likens. It are weird.

1775
02:18:28,799 --> 02:18:33,319
And he totally got away with it
so easy. All he had to

1776
02:18:33,360 --> 02:18:37,479
do was burn the contracts and nothing
bad happened to anybody, and he didn't

1777
02:18:37,520 --> 02:18:41,200
even have to pay his debt,
and he got continued to live exactly that's

1778
02:18:41,239 --> 02:18:43,840
the only things about this movie or
just confusing at the end, way you

1779
02:18:43,959 --> 02:18:46,760
gotta wonder, like so in the
end, is it just about providence really?

1780
02:18:46,840 --> 02:18:50,680
And that's this sort of like weird
spirituality of God and the devil at

1781
02:18:50,760 --> 02:18:54,639
best and at the worst, it's
like a guy who's lifting himself up by

1782
02:18:54,680 --> 02:19:01,639
his own bootstraps and we're gonna like
make the right choices like something. I

1783
02:19:01,799 --> 02:19:05,559
recommend this to you and anybody listening. There's a great lecture seminar called Paradise

1784
02:19:05,760 --> 02:19:13,280
has two Trees on YouTube by one
Deacon Ezra Ham from Oklahoma, and it's

1785
02:19:13,319 --> 02:19:16,799
like sixteen seminar sessions, but he
talks a lot about the Tree of Knowledge

1786
02:19:16,879 --> 02:19:20,879
verus the Tree of life. And
in just one quick word, I'd say

1787
02:19:20,959 --> 02:19:24,959
that when we're making right choices and
always acting inside the categories of good and

1788
02:19:26,040 --> 02:19:28,799
evil, right and wrong, we're
still eating off the tree of Knowledge,

1789
02:19:28,879 --> 02:19:33,479
all these false dichotomies of soul and
body, good and evil, masculine,

1790
02:19:33,559 --> 02:19:39,280
feminine, or the tree of life
Christ. It's like a whole other being

1791
02:19:39,559 --> 02:19:43,319
entirely, Like if a whole new
letter we're added into the alphabet, how

1792
02:19:43,399 --> 02:19:46,719
much it would change every single thing
in our world, you know, where

1793
02:19:46,719 --> 02:19:50,840
the Tree of Knowledge is still always
stuck in a box and thinking you can

1794
02:19:50,920 --> 02:19:54,760
make choices. Even if you're going
to make new choices, you're just creating

1795
02:19:54,760 --> 02:19:58,000
another box that you're living in inside. At the end of the end of

1796
02:19:58,000 --> 02:20:03,399
the day, this movie was like, it's so weird because of course,

1797
02:20:03,479 --> 02:20:07,079
like my kind of dud duh moment
is like, no movie is going to

1798
02:20:07,120 --> 02:20:11,000
have salvation through Jesus at the end, Like they're not could like it just

1799
02:20:11,079 --> 02:20:13,680
be so out of left field,
it wouldn't make any sense, right,

1800
02:20:13,799 --> 02:20:18,360
So all movies though, but any
movie that wants to talk about spirituality is

1801
02:20:18,399 --> 02:20:22,799
going to try to, you know, but they're always going to fail short

1802
02:20:22,799 --> 02:20:26,680
because they're going to fall into like, frankly, all these Christian heresies that

1803
02:20:26,799 --> 02:20:31,479
like the Church Fathers were like battling
against for centuries. You know that I'm

1804
02:20:31,559 --> 02:20:35,520
too dumb to you know name name
dropped them all. It reminded me of

1805
02:20:35,760 --> 02:20:39,520
the end of Fantasia. Do you
remember when we talked about that, Like

1806
02:20:39,040 --> 02:20:43,879
it was the night on Bald Mountain
with the Churnibog devil and then it was

1807
02:20:43,879 --> 02:20:48,799
supposed to be ave Maria like conquering
evil. But the procession led nowhere,

1808
02:20:50,280 --> 02:20:56,399
right, and there was no Christian
symbols anywhere to be found. Besides,

1809
02:20:56,440 --> 02:21:01,120
they're singing about Maria and the same
with the Devil and Max Devlin. So

1810
02:21:01,239 --> 02:21:05,719
it wasn't Christ that overcame the devil. It was just him outsmarting the devil.

1811
02:21:07,440 --> 02:21:11,200
All right. Again, it's just
like luciferic from Methean, probably from

1812
02:21:11,239 --> 02:21:15,280
Methian be a wider word to use, it would work. But the sense

1813
02:21:15,319 --> 02:21:18,840
that you watch these movies and if
you're spiritually looking for help, whether you're

1814
02:21:20,040 --> 02:21:24,559
you know, ten years old or
thirty years old or whatever, and you

1815
02:21:24,680 --> 02:21:26,879
just try to watch movies to get
inspired and all these things, it's like

1816
02:21:28,360 --> 02:21:33,040
they come so close to filling your
spiritual tank with gas. But it's like

1817
02:21:33,120 --> 02:21:37,040
that cheap budget gas. It's like
five cents cheaper than all the other places

1818
02:21:37,200 --> 02:21:43,959
that you end up having to refuel
more. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1819
02:21:45,680 --> 02:21:48,879
all right, Well, let's get
out of Hell and let's go to the

1820
02:21:50,079 --> 02:21:56,639
other side of the Tree of Life, because that's where the monsters live in

1821
02:21:56,760 --> 02:22:00,200
Monsters, inc. Yeah, I
want to hear all about this one because

1822
02:22:00,239 --> 02:22:03,000
I didn't you know, I didn't
have much on this film. I mean,

1823
02:22:03,120 --> 02:22:05,879
I had my thoughts about fear and
things like that. In terms of

1824
02:22:07,200 --> 02:22:11,200
like my esoteric decoding on it.
I found it Again, lot of these

1825
02:22:11,200 --> 02:22:15,760
movies are kind of so simple.
It's like the monster symbolizes the dark side

1826
02:22:15,799 --> 02:22:20,239
of God because we're so light and
airy in our world that Christian Western Christianity

1827
02:22:20,319 --> 02:22:24,520
needs to incorporate its sonic dark side, and here comes the monster to help

1828
02:22:24,639 --> 02:22:28,280
us out. You know. It's
like easy to see it that way,

1829
02:22:28,680 --> 02:22:37,319
but yeah, go on, Well, I thought this was pretty ripe with

1830
02:22:37,479 --> 02:22:46,000
symbolism and theology. So we talked
about the Klipo, the dark side of

1831
02:22:46,000 --> 02:22:52,799
the Tree of life. The occultist
who ascribed to these things they would call

1832
02:22:52,879 --> 02:23:03,040
that universe b a different dimension,
right, one you can contact with a

1833
02:23:03,079 --> 02:23:07,319
wuijiboard medium, all the stuff we've
been talking about, a ritual ceremony,

1834
02:23:09,040 --> 02:23:15,639
a sin, all of these open
portals to the dark side, right,

1835
02:23:15,799 --> 02:23:20,879
which this movie is all about portals. And the movie starts with a big

1836
02:23:20,360 --> 02:23:26,719
m with an eye in it,
right, So there's your all seeing eye,

1837
02:23:26,959 --> 02:23:33,399
the one eye. We just covered
this movie too on a show on

1838
02:23:33,799 --> 02:23:39,040
Level, right, yeah kind of, and we we covered this on Psyops

1839
02:23:39,079 --> 02:23:46,840
Cinemas, and he had the perfect
and answer to my question, and it

1840
02:23:46,040 --> 02:23:48,719
was so poignant and good. I'm
going to share it with you when we

1841
02:23:48,799 --> 02:23:56,280
get to the end. Okay,
So All Seeing I very beginning m which

1842
02:23:56,520 --> 02:24:00,040
I mean, is it a stretch
to make it stand for Mason? I

1843
02:24:00,079 --> 02:24:05,040
don't know, maybe maybe not.
But so you've got the app Yeah,

1844
02:24:05,559 --> 02:24:11,719
so you've got the All Seeing I
and the opening credits. And it's funny

1845
02:24:11,760 --> 02:24:16,239
because Jay and I have been watching
a lot of creepy videos, like paranormal

1846
02:24:16,360 --> 02:24:20,959
things like unexplained, you know,
our our doorbell camera picked up this ghost

1847
02:24:22,120 --> 02:24:26,120
or like you can't explain what why
did a kiddie turn into a ghost in

1848
02:24:26,200 --> 02:24:30,879
a light ball? And like flow
away? What the heck? So,

1849
02:24:31,280 --> 02:24:37,879
and we've been noticing a lot of
parallels or not parallels, like the same

1850
02:24:37,959 --> 02:24:43,079
things to happening over and over,
right, So a lot of these creepy

1851
02:24:43,200 --> 02:24:52,520
videos is baby cams pick up invisible
things, messing with the baby you're seeing

1852
02:24:52,559 --> 02:25:00,559
the Witch, the one with Anna
Taylor Joy maybe that's her name V which

1853
02:25:00,680 --> 02:25:05,920
with the goat. Yeah yeah,
actually not the baby in that movie,

1854
02:25:05,040 --> 02:25:16,559
yeah baby which VV is six six
it's the sixties, yeahs oh god,

1855
02:25:16,440 --> 02:25:22,479
it's a Hebrew Jamatria thing. There's
a whole Yeah. Okay, so we're

1856
02:25:22,559 --> 02:25:28,200
in Universe B where the monsters live, and they're trying to make these monsters

1857
02:25:28,319 --> 02:25:35,440
have like personalities that we can relate
to. Mm hmm. So the monsters

1858
02:25:35,479 --> 02:25:43,200
are basically demons. Yeah, and
it's the power of the children's screams that

1859
02:25:43,440 --> 02:25:50,479
feels their world, right. Yeah, it's like when you read it literally,

1860
02:25:50,680 --> 02:25:56,319
you're like, yeah, that's if
I wrote a synopsis for this movie,

1861
02:25:56,360 --> 02:25:58,680
it would not sound like a kids
movie, right, it would sound

1862
02:25:58,719 --> 02:26:07,319
like a right, like rob zombie
horror movie or something. But yeah,

1863
02:26:09,360 --> 02:26:13,760
so you know, you could equate
that maybe to adren of chrome, which

1864
02:26:13,799 --> 02:26:18,639
is a real thing. Uh,
you know all this Huxley talked about that

1865
02:26:18,879 --> 02:26:24,120
in way back in the Doors of
Perception. So this adrena chrome thing has

1866
02:26:24,360 --> 02:26:26,760
merit to it. I don't know
exactly who we're aware or what where they

1867
02:26:26,879 --> 02:26:33,040
get it from, but it does
seem like it is a traded drug that

1868
02:26:33,319 --> 02:26:41,040
is coveted by the elite, that
is extrapolated by you know, the blood

1869
02:26:41,079 --> 02:26:46,000
of tortured people. And then what
are they that's the adrena chrome? Wasn't

1870
02:26:46,040 --> 02:26:52,639
that like making us rounds during COVID
or something for like, take it and

1871
02:26:52,719 --> 02:27:00,239
you'll feel better. No, no, what were they? All? Right?

1872
02:27:01,120 --> 02:27:03,479
Who where I've heard that in the
news over the last few years.

1873
02:27:03,920 --> 02:27:09,840
What was Weren't they saying it for
a vaccine? No? The dreena chrome?

1874
02:27:11,000 --> 02:27:15,319
No? No, well, sorry, I'm just totally showing my ignorance

1875
02:27:15,360 --> 02:27:20,360
here. That's okay, go ahead, we won't linger too much on that.

1876
02:27:20,639 --> 02:27:24,440
Everybody knows about a drena chrome by
now. But yeah, that's the

1877
02:27:24,600 --> 02:27:31,159
fuel that fuels their whole world.
And Sully, the John Goodman character,

1878
02:27:31,399 --> 02:27:39,399
he is your stereotypical beast. Yeah
right, he is the hero of the

1879
02:27:39,479 --> 02:27:46,159
movie. But how much have we
been talking about magic and the devil and

1880
02:27:46,159 --> 02:27:54,000
blah blah blah. Al Tacoli called
himself the beast, The Beast of revelation

1881
02:27:54,319 --> 02:28:01,680
is what they're trying to emulate and
become the beast six six. He did

1882
02:28:01,760 --> 02:28:05,360
have his little demon horns too,
right, he's the beast, He's top

1883
02:28:05,399 --> 02:28:13,159
beast exactly. And Mike is the
eyeball, the one eyed monster, which

1884
02:28:13,799 --> 02:28:16,280
we did get into this kind of
on sap cnema. But like one eyed

1885
02:28:16,440 --> 02:28:22,520
monster can also be a dirty thing. I'm gonna say, I'm pretty sure

1886
02:28:22,520 --> 02:28:28,600
it's a phallic reference. Yes,
yeah, and I mentioned in Goonies,

1887
02:28:28,639 --> 02:28:33,280
remember that movie. Yeah, so
what they're if you watch that movie,

1888
02:28:33,399 --> 02:28:39,399
look how many times they make phallic
jokes or talk about one eyed Willie's rich

1889
02:28:39,479 --> 02:28:46,399
stuff, not pirate treasure, not
gold or some you know, sunken silver.

1890
02:28:46,520 --> 02:28:52,440
It's they call it one eyed Willie's
rich stuff. An thinking about ceremonial

1891
02:28:52,559 --> 02:28:58,280
magic and Felima and Ot and Caral, it gets gluey shout out. I

1892
02:28:58,360 --> 02:29:01,120
know there's tons of things that do
this, but I thought right away of

1893
02:29:01,399 --> 02:29:07,000
Twin Peaks season three when you say
that, because they do Cooper does magic,

1894
02:29:07,360 --> 02:29:13,399
does sex magic with Diane m the
other side or the other dimension whenever,

1895
02:29:13,639 --> 02:29:16,479
I don't even remember at that point, probably universe be what I'm talking

1896
02:29:16,479 --> 02:29:20,000
about right now, where the yeah
it's in they're in the universe split at

1897
02:29:20,040 --> 02:29:26,680
that point. Hm. So there. I thought it was interesting how the

1898
02:29:26,840 --> 02:29:31,879
whole world is set up like a
company town, like a turn of the

1899
02:29:31,959 --> 02:29:39,360
century or midst nice. They all
work for the same corporation. It's not

1900
02:29:39,719 --> 02:29:45,479
Yeah, I'm kind of a for
lack of a better word, I kind

1901
02:29:45,520 --> 02:29:50,040
of had a stoner one oh one
moment when I was like, if monsters

1902
02:29:50,239 --> 02:29:54,760
are humans, mean, it's like
humans ink that they work at because like

1903
02:29:54,879 --> 02:29:58,680
you know, yeah, they're just
normal, right, and it's kind of

1904
02:29:58,799 --> 02:30:05,000
like anyways, put me out.
Imagine if that was played out in our

1905
02:30:05,079 --> 02:30:09,680
world when it would be called humans
Incorporated. And so they say, we

1906
02:30:09,840 --> 02:30:16,840
scare because we care and they have
to keep the power on in their universe

1907
02:30:16,000 --> 02:30:24,479
by our emotions and sorry, that's
just what our modern world is right now,

1908
02:30:24,639 --> 02:30:28,639
right, you just got the phone
all day and be fueled by your

1909
02:30:28,680 --> 02:30:35,319
emotions. New power you going on
your phone then charges all these companies the

1910
02:30:37,000 --> 02:30:46,200
system. Yeah right, yeah,
yeah, go on. My favorite character

1911
02:30:46,239 --> 02:30:50,120
in this was the slug lady.
It turns out to be the good the

1912
02:30:50,200 --> 02:30:54,879
good one in the end, right
yeah, ros I thought she perfectly like

1913
02:30:54,120 --> 02:31:05,319
encapsulated the whole bureaucrat like angry old
beercrat slug woman. Absolutely, And so

1914
02:31:05,559 --> 02:31:09,000
they all work at Monsters Inc.
Which is a warehouse of portals. This

1915
02:31:09,280 --> 02:31:13,840
is going back to ros. This
is one of those tropes that Pixar did,

1916
02:31:13,959 --> 02:31:16,520
right and it's gotten lazy. We're
both in x Utopia and then in

1917
02:31:16,600 --> 02:31:24,120
Elemental they also have the like bureaucratic
person who's like slow boring, you know,

1918
02:31:24,280 --> 02:31:26,479
doesn't want to be there kind of
deal, but so much better in

1919
02:31:26,520 --> 02:31:30,520
Monsters, Inc. But the last
two movies a kind of lazy with that.

1920
02:31:31,120 --> 02:31:35,799
We just watched Jupiter Sending and there's
a whole planet like the it's the

1921
02:31:35,879 --> 02:31:39,079
bureaucrat's planet. It's really funny,
like all the paperwork and stuff that she

1922
02:31:39,200 --> 02:31:43,760
has to go through in Hey,
Universal Democracy. Random question. When's the

1923
02:31:43,799 --> 02:31:48,440
last time you watch Starship Troopers?
Not recently, but I do really like

1924
02:31:48,639 --> 02:31:54,040
that movie. I think it's goofy
and fun. I like Hineline. Okay,

1925
02:31:54,079 --> 02:31:56,440
I've not seen since I was like
a kid, and like I was

1926
02:31:56,479 --> 02:31:58,879
like, certainly, like, man, I feel like there's something in Starship

1927
02:31:58,959 --> 02:32:01,399
Troopers that would be to watch.
Yeah, you should watch it because it's

1928
02:32:01,440 --> 02:32:09,680
all about you have to join the
military to become a galactic citizen. So

1929
02:32:09,520 --> 02:32:15,799
they're like, do you want citizenship, global citizenship, join the bug killers

1930
02:32:15,879 --> 02:32:20,000
or whatever and instead of killing bugs
and we'll just eat bugs in our future

1931
02:32:20,280 --> 02:32:26,040
that we sign up for. Yeah, it's it's kind of a metaphor for

1932
02:32:26,200 --> 02:32:33,319
like the military, you know,
expansion of the US military industrial complex,

1933
02:32:35,159 --> 02:32:39,399
right, But yeah, Starship Troopers, that's a fun one. So okay,

1934
02:32:39,479 --> 02:32:43,959
So the monster's ink is the warehouse
of portals that they can destroy if

1935
02:32:43,000 --> 02:32:52,520
they want to. And this just
got me thinking, So it's the portals

1936
02:32:52,559 --> 02:32:56,959
that we open by doing ceremonial magic, by doing wegie boards, by doing

1937
02:32:58,000 --> 02:33:03,399
tarot cards, by going to mediums, by breaking down that membrane between reality

1938
02:33:03,559 --> 02:33:07,159
and the other dimension that has a
lot to do with imagination, like you

1939
02:33:07,200 --> 02:33:13,360
were talking about. Because they can
only like they have to clock in and

1940
02:33:13,440 --> 02:33:18,440
clock out, so they can only
go through the portals at certain designated times.

1941
02:33:18,639 --> 02:33:26,680
I'm thinking, is this like astrological
or is this based on rituals or

1942
02:33:26,799 --> 02:33:31,239
ceremonies or what did that make you
think? Either way, we could say

1943
02:33:31,280 --> 02:33:35,719
astrological in a general sense, and
that it's cosmos bound. It still relies

1944
02:33:35,799 --> 02:33:41,399
on the mechanisms of the cosmos,
whether it be certain times or be certain

1945
02:33:41,479 --> 02:33:45,079
forces. Your keys you're turning at
a certain time, so to speak to

1946
02:33:45,159 --> 02:33:48,719
get that to open or get like
shout out for Christ. Like God is

1947
02:33:48,840 --> 02:33:52,399
post cosmic, He's beyond the cosmos, you know. So when we pray

1948
02:33:52,440 --> 02:33:58,000
to God, part of why our
prayer, that's why when like in our

1949
02:33:58,079 --> 02:34:01,680
picture, when we pray, we're
not in the force bubble because we pray,

1950
02:34:01,959 --> 02:34:07,159
we have this freedom where God is
beyond the cosmos, where a magician

1951
02:34:07,280 --> 02:34:11,319
is stuck in the cosmos in his
force bubble, where prayer doesn't involve as

1952
02:34:11,360 --> 02:34:15,079
you see, being stuck in a
force bubble. So it's so interesting too

1953
02:34:15,159 --> 02:34:18,200
because it's not even bound to time, because God isn't bound to time exactly.

1954
02:34:18,440 --> 02:34:20,799
So this one is what I'm trying
to say, like, is people

1955
02:34:22,079 --> 02:34:24,799
you're into magic and stuff, just
start learning to pray. It's like so

1956
02:34:24,920 --> 02:34:31,239
much better for you. Yeah,
it's a live and really like people want

1957
02:34:31,280 --> 02:34:33,159
to be free. They want to
break through the drudgeries of life and the

1958
02:34:33,280 --> 02:34:37,879
routines and the cycles and looking at
the clock and time to go to lunch

1959
02:34:37,959 --> 02:34:41,479
kind of deal. And yet then
we turn right to astrology and magic and

1960
02:34:41,600 --> 02:34:46,399
relying in the eaching and relying on
forces of time. That like it's just

1961
02:34:46,479 --> 02:34:54,239
pretty mind boggling, frankly and orthodoxy
that you can get beyond time. You

1962
02:34:54,280 --> 02:34:56,600
know, because I'm a musician,
so I was always in the time and

1963
02:34:56,680 --> 02:35:01,799
the eaching and like a surfer finding
the right way of time and life to

1964
02:35:01,920 --> 02:35:05,639
start surfing for you know, what
you want to happen in your life and

1965
02:35:05,639 --> 02:35:09,159
just kind of crazy to think that
you could be in direct personal contact with

1966
02:35:09,319 --> 02:35:18,360
he who created time, right,
And that's why pray is more powerful because

1967
02:35:18,399 --> 02:35:22,000
you're appealing to, yeah, someone
who's outside space and time, and it

1968
02:35:22,040 --> 02:35:28,600
doesn't even rely on the laws of
physics or astrology or conjunctions or vibrations.

1969
02:35:28,760 --> 02:35:33,479
It's like more than that, it's
love, you know, because it's like

1970
02:35:33,559 --> 02:35:39,479
God doesn't even need our prayers.
Like if God needed our prayers would create

1971
02:35:39,520 --> 02:35:41,840
a whole other issue of like,
well, who's this God and why do

1972
02:35:41,879 --> 02:35:45,440
you pray for him? To him
and all these things where it's like prayer

1973
02:35:45,559 --> 02:35:52,000
is a gift that we've been given
by God to I don't know, it

1974
02:35:52,079 --> 02:35:54,600
will sound cheesy and like growing love, you know. It's it's like,

1975
02:35:54,719 --> 02:36:01,040
I mean, I don't know how
to say it. It's like I have

1976
02:36:01,159 --> 02:36:09,200
a note yeah basically says prayer.
I don't know. I just put prayer

1977
02:36:09,360 --> 02:36:13,520
is a gift from God which allows
us to know that through simple things,

1978
02:36:13,239 --> 02:36:18,879
we're allowed to draw closer to him. Yeah. Magic those like getting the

1979
02:36:20,600 --> 02:36:24,479
retractable being force field thing where he
just brings in all of the cosmic dust

1980
02:36:24,600 --> 02:36:28,120
with you and you don't know what
you're getting with all that garbage, right,

1981
02:36:28,280 --> 02:36:37,200
you could be getting goolies. Okay, So they think that kids can

1982
02:36:37,319 --> 02:36:41,559
hurt them, and they think that
things objects from our world can contaminate them.

1983
02:36:45,000 --> 02:36:48,280
Right, So is that we have
more power than we think over this

1984
02:36:48,920 --> 02:36:56,000
dimension? Right? Oh? Nice, good point. And then the baby

1985
02:36:56,440 --> 02:37:01,520
boo, she's not old enough to
be scared, Like, she doesn't know

1986
02:37:01,959 --> 02:37:09,920
fear yet because she hasn't experienced any
traumas yet. So she just thinks the

1987
02:37:11,000 --> 02:37:15,840
giant monster is a kiddie because he's
fuzzy. Rights. He Again, that's

1988
02:37:15,840 --> 02:37:18,200
an interesting point you bring up,
which I'm not contesting. But doesn't she

1989
02:37:18,360 --> 02:37:24,719
have her evil monster? Yes,
she's scared of Randall because Randall has been

1990
02:37:24,000 --> 02:37:31,639
experimenting on her. Oh right,
how has he been experimenting? He is

1991
02:37:31,040 --> 02:37:39,280
trying to make a device to extrapolate
their screams at a higher rate. Again,

1992
02:37:39,360 --> 02:37:41,600
it's like all the technology, just
like ghost Guy in the first movie

1993
02:37:43,040 --> 02:37:46,639
where in the first movie High Mansion
he can't get into the spiritual world because

1994
02:37:46,639 --> 02:37:52,680
of his technology. In this movie
Randall, it's like inverted the spiritual world

1995
02:37:52,959 --> 02:37:58,440
praise upon the national world through the
technology. So, and she's not scared

1996
02:37:58,479 --> 02:38:07,200
of Sully, but she is scared
of Randall. And they're trying to make

1997
02:38:07,239 --> 02:38:11,120
a point that these demons have a
soft side, like they're not all bad,

1998
02:38:11,319 --> 02:38:13,639
not all of them are all bad. They have, you know,

1999
02:38:15,239 --> 02:38:20,479
a soft side, and well they're
cute, Jamie. That's why, yes,

2000
02:38:20,680 --> 02:38:26,079
invite interacting with them. We can
bring out this the good in them,

2001
02:38:26,639 --> 02:38:31,360
right. Yeah. So, I
my little notes here is like basically

2002
02:38:31,520 --> 02:38:37,200
fallen man lives according to fear,
because like you're saying that there's no fear

2003
02:38:37,399 --> 02:38:41,120
in the Gospel life like and shouldn't
have fear. So basically fear is our

2004
02:38:41,239 --> 02:38:46,319
ground upon which this whole thing is
based on, which in some level,

2005
02:38:46,479 --> 02:38:50,440
just to be like Christian about it, it's all in this fallen world where

2006
02:38:50,479 --> 02:38:54,360
the spirit is basically cut off.
Again to my other chart, you have

2007
02:38:54,520 --> 02:39:01,159
your body psyche split because we're cut
off in the spirit. When we're in

2008
02:39:01,319 --> 02:39:05,000
touch with the spirit with God,
we don't have fear. I mean,

2009
02:39:05,280 --> 02:39:09,600
of course, Christ when he was
in Gosemite and he's saying, Lord,

2010
02:39:09,719 --> 02:39:13,319
let this pass from me, you
know, as a human being. Obviously

2011
02:39:13,600 --> 02:39:16,799
I don't want to be too black
and white about this. We do have

2012
02:39:16,920 --> 02:39:18,920
fear, of course, but let's
say, fundamentally speaking, like when you're

2013
02:39:20,120 --> 02:39:24,399
in your when you've yoked yourself to
God and to Christ, there's no fear

2014
02:39:24,000 --> 02:39:28,440
and fear. And when you when
there's no God, there's fear, and

2015
02:39:28,520 --> 02:39:31,520
when there's fear, there's pride.
Because you know, I got to do

2016
02:39:31,600 --> 02:39:33,200
it right. If there's no God
around, I got to be the one

2017
02:39:33,239 --> 02:39:35,959
that makes the universe work, or
you know, I have to make sure

2018
02:39:37,000 --> 02:39:39,319
to keep everything in order. I
got to make sure all my kids are

2019
02:39:39,360 --> 02:39:43,319
going to be fed. All these
things are basically just pride fear from my

2020
02:39:43,440 --> 02:39:48,920
chart. Again, I got this
from a patristic source. No God leads

2021
02:39:48,959 --> 02:39:54,559
to fear, leads to pride,
leads to all the passions, and the

2022
02:39:54,719 --> 02:40:03,479
fear is what connects us to the
demonic real mhm and they feed off it.

2023
02:40:03,680 --> 02:40:05,399
They feed off our grief from Haunted
Mansion, and they feed off our

2024
02:40:07,200 --> 02:40:13,159
monsters eat callback. Yeah. Did
you notice they made a mention about lockness,

2025
02:40:13,200 --> 02:40:20,239
monster and Bigfoot are just banished monsters. Yeah, I gotta take that

2026
02:40:20,559 --> 02:40:24,600
take that to heart because I'm in
Bigfoot territory, Upper Island. So well.

2027
02:40:24,680 --> 02:40:30,159
I did go to the Disney Animal
Kingdom once and they have an Abominable

2028
02:40:30,280 --> 02:40:37,159
Snowman ride the YETI and it was
scary. I mean it was literally it

2029
02:40:37,239 --> 02:40:43,520
made me scream, it extracted my
energy. Okay, that's that's a funny

2030
02:40:43,559 --> 02:40:46,559
time. My only couple notes from
this one this one on So this actually

2031
02:40:46,639 --> 02:40:52,760
got from Disney itself. This was
from the Imagineering documentary and they're talking about

2032
02:40:52,840 --> 02:41:01,440
fabricating fun and creating the parks and
they literally said fear minus death equals fun.

2033
02:41:03,319 --> 02:41:07,440
Mmmm right. I then was trying
to be pithy about it, and

2034
02:41:07,479 --> 02:41:13,440
so I thought, oh, well
then no fear. If fear minus death

2035
02:41:13,840 --> 02:41:22,520
equals fun, no fear plus death
equals resurrection. But forgive me, I'm

2036
02:41:22,559 --> 02:41:24,040
just I was just having fun with
that. But anyways, I just thought

2037
02:41:24,040 --> 02:41:26,920
it was funny that. Like I'm
saying, I thought it was funny.

2038
02:41:28,000 --> 02:41:33,840
I think it's interesting the way they
use fear and fun to sort of yeah,

2039
02:41:33,239 --> 02:41:37,680
yeah, that is weird. What's
the imaginary We should I should watch

2040
02:41:37,760 --> 02:41:43,040
that Imagineering documentary? Yeah, the
Miley take on it was. I watched

2041
02:41:43,079 --> 02:41:48,319
this before I converted or anything,
but I was still interested in Yeah,

2042
02:41:48,520 --> 02:41:52,120
forgive me, you know, people's
but like from this sort of quote unquote

2043
02:41:52,120 --> 02:41:58,719
Youngian point of view where everything is
just the unconscious manifesting itself in reality.

2044
02:41:58,200 --> 02:42:03,079
You know, I still kind of
half on board of evolution idea of just

2045
02:42:03,280 --> 02:42:07,600
thinking like man to think all this
stuff just comes from nothing, and human

2046
02:42:07,639 --> 02:42:11,719
beings just invent symbols, and we
built the pyramids, and we built these

2047
02:42:11,840 --> 02:42:15,639
churches, and now suddenly we build
a Disneyland. You know. And as

2048
02:42:15,680 --> 02:42:18,280
I was watching this documentary, I
was kind of observing, like, is

2049
02:42:18,319 --> 02:42:22,559
this how religions are born? Like
you get this guy with an idea Colts,

2050
02:42:22,639 --> 02:42:26,280
I would say, Frankly, an
idea, and then he gets it

2051
02:42:26,360 --> 02:42:30,319
out there and it grows and grows. And then what happens when the founder

2052
02:42:30,399 --> 02:42:33,200
of the cult dies? How did
people carry on his legacy? And you

2053
02:42:33,280 --> 02:42:37,200
know, so this int imagineering documentary, Man, I thought it was like

2054
02:42:37,479 --> 02:42:43,719
this religion and yeah, we'll get
Mormons and that's not that old. That's

2055
02:42:43,760 --> 02:42:46,840
a huge I mean, That's what
I'm kind of saying, is like and

2056
02:42:46,920 --> 02:42:52,000
again like this is patristically back,
but I think the deep the chill heads

2057
02:42:52,079 --> 02:42:54,319
in our orthodox world, the fathers, the saints, I shouldn't call them

2058
02:42:54,360 --> 02:42:58,000
that, but chill heads, but
they say that Christianity isn't even a religion

2059
02:43:00,120 --> 02:43:03,680
the end of religion. Their religions
are built, made by man to get

2060
02:43:03,760 --> 02:43:07,000
to God, where in Christianity,
God came down to man in revelation.

2061
02:43:07,799 --> 02:43:11,280
So therefore I would say something like
Disney is a religion in the way if

2062
02:43:11,319 --> 02:43:16,239
you use it in a very technical
way, where it's man creating these systems,

2063
02:43:16,440 --> 02:43:20,200
theme parks, in this case true
mecca lands where people are trying to

2064
02:43:20,239 --> 02:43:24,479
communicate with the spiritual world. In
the Disney World, they don't call it

2065
02:43:24,520 --> 02:43:28,040
spiritual world. They just call it
imagination, fantasy, dreams, wishing upon

2066
02:43:28,159 --> 02:43:35,959
stars, blah blah, blah,
blah blah. You just made me think

2067
02:43:35,000 --> 02:43:39,680
of something about the Cross and the
Cross worlds. Maybe we'll talk about that

2068
02:43:39,799 --> 02:43:43,000
later, but because it's pretty deep
and it goes back to ancient times.

2069
02:43:43,120 --> 02:43:50,280
But yeah, So scaring the kids
one by one the way they're doing it

2070
02:43:50,680 --> 02:43:56,159
is not enough. And the boss
man that owns Monsters inc. That crab

2071
02:43:56,280 --> 02:44:07,399
guy has gotten Randall's deed Boushemy the
creepy lizard Man to build a device that

2072
02:44:07,440 --> 02:44:11,360
will revolutionize the scaring business, the
scream Extractor, which is a giant,

2073
02:44:11,600 --> 02:44:16,239
long, phallic thing that they put
on the kid's face on their mouth,

2074
02:44:16,600 --> 02:44:26,200
Yeah, suck out their energy.
And they're doing this like they've got Boo

2075
02:44:26,399 --> 02:44:30,280
in the chair and she's like screaming
and these things, and you know,

2076
02:44:30,399 --> 02:44:35,520
the one eyed monster coming to extract
her energy. Like this is straight up

2077
02:44:37,799 --> 02:44:43,159
Epstein and Drew Machrome sra stuff.
Well, it's crazy because, like the

2078
02:44:43,280 --> 02:44:46,360
movie is still hitting home the theme
that this is bad and bad people are

2079
02:44:46,440 --> 02:44:52,280
doing this. But the mere fact
that it's like being presented and that people

2080
02:44:52,440 --> 02:44:56,079
worked on it for so long and
spent all this time rendering and creating these

2081
02:44:56,159 --> 02:45:01,440
images and being immersed in them,
you know, just doesn't make you wonder

2082
02:45:01,520 --> 02:45:07,200
what affect it creates, sort of
like a pond, you know, immersing

2083
02:45:07,280 --> 02:45:11,959
yourself sort of imagery for so long
as I have some toll on your being,

2084
02:45:13,680 --> 02:45:18,120
did you notice? So they got
banished to the Himalayas, which is

2085
02:45:18,360 --> 02:45:24,200
really important to the esoteric by way
of phiosophy, and they think that's where

2086
02:45:24,239 --> 02:45:31,520
the secret chiefs live, right,
that are controlling the world from their mountaintop

2087
02:45:31,399 --> 02:45:37,600
Tibetan Who who who believes this?
It's called theosophy? Okay, so I

2088
02:45:37,719 --> 02:45:43,680
know I know theosophy. Madame Blovotsky
but they believe the Theosophists that their headquarters

2089
02:45:43,719 --> 02:45:50,719
are in the Himalayas. Yeah,
mhmm. So they get cosmic transcriptions from

2090
02:45:50,760 --> 02:45:56,680
the Secret Chiefs who are sitting up
there floating like the super Friends, basically

2091
02:45:56,799 --> 02:46:03,760
like member of South Parks, Mohammed, all of the super Friends. So

2092
02:46:03,920 --> 02:46:07,879
that's what the Secret Chiefs are in
Theosophy. And so that's where the monsters

2093
02:46:07,920 --> 02:46:13,680
get banished too, when they have
to leave monster world and they're in our

2094
02:46:13,799 --> 02:46:20,799
world, they're in the Himalayas.
I thought it was interesting that it was

2095
02:46:20,920 --> 02:46:28,079
Boo that beat Randall in the end
and not Sully. Yeah, so it

2096
02:46:28,239 --> 02:46:33,520
was the baby that overcame the evil
demon. Well again it's like all this

2097
02:46:33,719 --> 02:46:37,040
like kind of Christian not really stuff, or you have the divine child,

2098
02:46:37,280 --> 02:46:41,079
will call her, you know,
the innocent one who wins. But again

2099
02:46:41,159 --> 02:46:46,079
it's not in the way that the
innocent one makes the self sacrifice. It's

2100
02:46:46,520 --> 02:46:54,200
the innocent one actually uses it's myths
to knock out evil you know, strong

2101
02:46:56,000 --> 02:46:58,479
right, and let me go ahead, go ahead, Well, I was

2102
02:46:58,479 --> 02:47:03,079
just gonna say they find out in
the end the laughter is ten times more

2103
02:47:03,239 --> 02:47:09,760
powerful than screams. All the monsters
become like stand up comedians and trying to

2104
02:47:09,840 --> 02:47:15,639
make the kids laugh instead of scaring
them. Yeah, I just put monsters

2105
02:47:15,680 --> 02:47:18,959
are no longer scary and need to
be feared, but not because of God.

2106
02:47:18,399 --> 02:47:24,079
Like and we don't because if we
had God, we wouldn't fear monsters

2107
02:47:24,479 --> 02:47:28,200
as we have God on our side. But here we don't fear monsters because

2108
02:47:30,159 --> 02:47:33,760
monsters are good, right kids,
Like, I don't know how to explain

2109
02:47:33,799 --> 02:47:37,479
it other than just saying that same
thing. Basically, the demons are using

2110
02:47:37,520 --> 02:47:43,520
a ropadope tech technique to get you
on their side. Yes, and just

2111
02:47:43,680 --> 02:47:48,239
like in Hauted mansion where they all
decided that they could live with the hundred

2112
02:47:48,360 --> 02:47:52,959
ghosts in the mansion. I'm just
having a thought right now that came to

2113
02:47:54,040 --> 02:47:58,280
me about all this. It's because
the more easily man couples of demons,

2114
02:48:00,680 --> 02:48:05,559
the demon is gonna appear less and
less scary, like a passion. Basically,

2115
02:48:05,239 --> 02:48:09,280
oh you know, I'll just drink
a little bit before my task or

2116
02:48:09,520 --> 02:48:13,639
public speech or whatever. Using a
too obscure example, but like saying like

2117
02:48:15,000 --> 02:48:20,079
the more you do a little bit
of something, the more you become desensitized

2118
02:48:20,120 --> 02:48:22,479
to its powers. You could say, like our priest gave a homily a

2119
02:48:22,559 --> 02:48:26,280
while ago, and he's saying that, let's just say every day you spend

2120
02:48:26,399 --> 02:48:31,319
five degrees going off kilter, you
know, but I don't know what would

2121
02:48:31,360 --> 02:48:35,040
be ninety days or something later,
you'd be one hundred eighty degrees the opposite

2122
02:48:35,159 --> 02:48:39,239
direction. So that little bit of
compliance, a little bit of rope and

2123
02:48:39,280 --> 02:48:43,319
doping with the demons, laughing and
being silly, will eventually get your face

2124
02:48:43,440 --> 02:48:50,959
and whole whole opposite direction of which
you meant to. Because again, on

2125
02:48:50,040 --> 02:48:54,040
these weird moralities of this world,
it's like, how does a good monster

2126
02:48:54,959 --> 02:49:01,159
teach a human child to change?
Because Booze no longer afraid of Randle at

2127
02:49:01,200 --> 02:49:05,120
the end, so something in the
good monster caused her to overcome her fear

2128
02:49:05,239 --> 02:49:11,840
of evil monsters. So it's kind
of like, what is the What's what

2129
02:49:11,959 --> 02:49:18,120
does the monster teach the human that
ontologically makes this monster better than other monsters?

2130
02:49:18,000 --> 02:49:20,479
Is it because the monsters have love? Like is at the end of

2131
02:49:20,479 --> 02:49:26,799
the day love? Yeah, Sully
learned to love in this just like Max

2132
02:49:26,879 --> 02:49:31,799
Devlin. But I just remember this
one sinister thing. It's like they found

2133
02:49:31,840 --> 02:49:39,799
out that Randall had been visiting boo
without being on flock after hours. Yeah,

2134
02:49:39,639 --> 02:49:46,360
and so what was he doing her
after hours if he wasn't extrapolating her

2135
02:49:46,399 --> 02:49:54,159
screams? Why? Yeah, Miley, Miley guess while trying to stay in

2136
02:49:54,360 --> 02:49:58,680
cannon and not go too far.
Yeah's probably that machine to her. Ever.

2137
02:50:00,360 --> 02:50:03,479
Yeah, so we're supposed to think
that the alien probes. He's doing

2138
02:50:03,479 --> 02:50:07,959
alien probes on her. Yeah,
exactly. That's the point I was trying

2139
02:50:07,000 --> 02:50:11,559
to make, Like the one eyed
monster is prevalent in this thing, and

2140
02:50:11,760 --> 02:50:15,760
I think I'm pretty sure that's what
it means. So laughter is more powerful

2141
02:50:15,799 --> 02:50:24,360
in dreams screams they become demonic clowns
instead. Oh nice, nice, I

2142
02:50:24,360 --> 02:50:30,799
didn't really think about the clown.
Yeah. And you are rooting for this

2143
02:50:31,040 --> 02:50:37,120
relationship between a grown monster and a
toddler, like you're sad when they're cut

2144
02:50:37,200 --> 02:50:39,719
off from each other, when you
think the portal has clothes and he can

2145
02:50:39,760 --> 02:50:43,920
never see her again. You're like, oh, it's like this y this

2146
02:50:45,159 --> 02:50:50,000
yung and yin Yangian sort of like
you need the whole door to open the

2147
02:50:50,120 --> 02:50:52,760
portal, and it's all about wholeness, cosmic wholeness. You know, even

2148
02:50:52,799 --> 02:50:58,000
in this sense, it might not
be masculine feminine, so obviously polar,

2149
02:50:58,079 --> 02:51:01,559
but even here you need the whole
door or in order for the alchemical.

2150
02:51:01,959 --> 02:51:05,680
You know, maybe I'm going too
far with alchemy, but just trying to

2151
02:51:05,680 --> 02:51:07,719
say it's all about in the modern
era, where people are going to see

2152
02:51:07,760 --> 02:51:13,040
in movies is the theme of integrating
the darks. The wholeness is always be

2153
02:51:13,120 --> 02:51:18,680
this thing like the cosmic Enyang is
trying to find its completion, and it's

2154
02:51:18,120 --> 02:51:22,840
likely going to be some Sophianic boo
of female character who's going to be the

2155
02:51:24,440 --> 02:51:30,879
divine wisdom who will unite the worlds. That's right. Yeah, in this

2156
02:51:31,040 --> 02:51:37,520
movie, you just bring the shadows
into your bedroom and plate with them.

2157
02:51:39,680 --> 02:51:45,799
Yeah, so you're rooting for them
to a grown man monster to be friends

2158
02:51:46,000 --> 02:51:50,520
with a little girl and continue to
visit her in her bedroom at night throughout

2159
02:51:50,639 --> 02:51:54,360
her life. Like, there's just
so many things that like in my larger

2160
02:51:54,440 --> 02:52:00,200
context of outside of my church,
I know this stuff doesn't seem weird at

2161
02:52:00,200 --> 02:52:01,680
all the people, but I just
think that like if I were a priest,

2162
02:52:01,920 --> 02:52:05,239
or even just today, if I
have kids tomorrow, I'm just like,

2163
02:52:07,200 --> 02:52:09,879
you really got to scratch your head
and wonder what aide you want to

2164
02:52:09,040 --> 02:52:13,479
start showing them these things. It's
like, even if not because maybe they'll

2165
02:52:13,520 --> 02:52:18,079
understand all this esoteric stuff, or
even if it does get on plants and

2166
02:52:18,120 --> 02:52:20,799
there, but just the mere fact
that, like, we have a real

2167
02:52:20,920 --> 02:52:26,280
tradition of human beings that have martyred
themselves for Christ and stuff, and here

2168
02:52:26,319 --> 02:52:30,680
we are in this other world where
it's kind of just like, oh,

2169
02:52:31,600 --> 02:52:35,280
play with your monster friend and everything
will be better in the long run.

2170
02:52:35,479 --> 02:52:41,040
You know. It's just kind of
weird to balance these two worlds of fantasy

2171
02:52:41,399 --> 02:52:46,040
with our real world of Christian dare
I say it magic, but a real

2172
02:52:46,159 --> 02:52:50,159
Christian world of spirituality that's really quite
profound and crazy when you think about it,

2173
02:52:50,360 --> 02:52:54,159
like interceding with the saints and holy
relics and all these things. It's

2174
02:52:54,239 --> 02:52:58,280
like our world's pretty far out already, you know. It's, oh yeah,

2175
02:52:58,479 --> 02:53:05,959
it's miss cool enough. Really,
the Church has all of these esthetic

2176
02:53:07,079 --> 02:53:13,280
things and mystical things and deep dives
as deep as you want to go,

2177
02:53:13,000 --> 02:53:20,079
and for every level of IQ you
will be satisfied. The last point I

2178
02:53:20,120 --> 02:53:24,959
wanted to make about this was so
on Syup Cinemas, we were talking about

2179
02:53:24,200 --> 02:53:28,840
what do you make about how they
say laughter is more powerful than screams.

2180
02:53:30,639 --> 02:53:33,840
And we did talk about the demonic
clown, but then he said something that

2181
02:53:35,040 --> 02:53:41,639
was so poignant and wrapped it up. He was like, the trauma becomes

2182
02:53:41,879 --> 02:53:48,799
entertainment. Stay a little more on
that. So, like you just said,

2183
02:53:50,799 --> 02:53:58,040
the imagineering people say that fear what
was it? No death plus yeah,

2184
02:53:58,399 --> 02:54:05,040
fear minus death equals fun fun.
Yes, So here they're taking the

2185
02:54:05,239 --> 02:54:11,319
trauma of you know, like going
on a ride or seeing something scary or

2186
02:54:13,200 --> 02:54:22,399
frightening cartoon or image. That trauma
becomes the entertainment. M M that we

2187
02:54:22,600 --> 02:54:26,840
choose. What do you think of
that? I think that's I want to

2188
02:54:26,920 --> 02:54:30,600
chew on that more, just so
I could find more examples. I don't

2189
02:54:30,639 --> 02:54:31,959
disagree with it. You explained it
way better than I could, So you

2190
02:54:33,040 --> 02:54:35,840
just don't I hear what you're saying, though I hear you're saying. It's

2191
02:54:35,920 --> 02:54:41,399
like and the way that I thought
about it immediately without maybe mapping one to

2192
02:54:41,479 --> 02:54:45,440
one, and what you said was
like everything that used to be our environment

2193
02:54:46,239 --> 02:54:52,559
becomes content in the new environment.
So even something like my thoughts become words,

2194
02:54:54,440 --> 02:54:58,079
thoughts become word in a new environment
of speech, my speech becomes writing

2195
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in the new environment of writing,
writing becomes a play. In that environment,

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play becomes film, et cetera,
et cetera. And this way,

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trauma becomes content. Say that again, Say it again what you said about

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02:55:09,799 --> 02:55:16,120
it? He just said, the
trauma becomes the entertainment because the monsters instead

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02:55:16,159 --> 02:55:24,360
of being scary, now they're being
you know, stand up comedians or trying

2200
02:55:24,360 --> 02:55:26,879
to make the kids laugh. Well, it's that whole thing of like sublimating,

2201
02:55:28,239 --> 02:55:30,959
right, to try to like take
your things that are trouble you,

2202
02:55:31,120 --> 02:55:35,520
and your fears and your low things
and sublimate them into something higher. You

2203
02:55:35,639 --> 02:55:39,840
know. Yeah, again, it's
like I guess, just about the risk

2204
02:55:39,879 --> 02:55:43,360
of being cheesy and all that,
it's kind of like just offer this stuff

2205
02:55:43,399 --> 02:55:46,040
to God, you know, rather
than trying to become your own alchemist and

2206
02:55:46,280 --> 02:55:50,799
transfigure your trauma into something, because
then you get like Ben and Haunted Mansion

2207
02:55:50,879 --> 02:55:56,479
movie where he's like, just grieve
with me forever, little young bro,

2208
02:55:56,760 --> 02:56:00,280
and we'll like both be sad,
miserable humans together and our trauma. The

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02:56:00,319 --> 02:56:05,120
way the whole film is even like
showing like I'm just noticing maybe that's something

2210
02:56:05,159 --> 02:56:09,840
to do with like the past few
years of the whole virus world, but

2211
02:56:09,000 --> 02:56:13,120
like the trauma that children have gone
through over the last few years of thinking

2212
02:56:13,239 --> 02:56:16,719
like wait, I mean even if
I stand around Grandma, I'm going to

2213
02:56:16,799 --> 02:56:20,200
possibly killer unless I like wear my
mask, you know, And just kind

2214
02:56:20,239 --> 02:56:24,520
of like the way that trauma is
becoming this thing that I think, I

2215
02:56:24,680 --> 02:56:28,520
think we're gonna probably see more and
more films, if not already they've come

2216
02:56:28,559 --> 02:56:33,360
out where people are like glorifying trauma
and sort of being a victim in a

2217
02:56:33,440 --> 02:56:37,239
sense in a way that different than
what we're seeing now with like the victimhood

2218
02:56:37,280 --> 02:56:39,959
of kind of like the me too
things over the last few years. But

2219
02:56:39,120 --> 02:56:43,920
like I guess all I was going
to say is that being a victim basically

2220
02:56:45,040 --> 02:56:50,479
creates this negative stress response in us
because being a victim implies that bad things

2221
02:56:50,520 --> 02:56:54,840
are always going to be happening to
us and in a sense that maybe foot

2222
02:56:56,120 --> 02:57:00,719
around to I don't know, make
fun out of it. It uh,

2223
02:57:01,760 --> 02:57:05,120
on one hand, lessons the reality
of real trauma. By the other hand,

2224
02:57:05,280 --> 02:57:11,159
kind of shoot, I'm losing steam
on that thought rope. It's all

2225
02:57:11,200 --> 02:57:16,760
the ropendope may forgive me losing my
hand to They're just saying, like,

2226
02:57:16,000 --> 02:57:22,159
well, we have been going for
over three hours, so I think our

2227
02:57:22,200 --> 02:57:30,879
brains are probably coming to the end
of what we can do tonight. There

2228
02:57:31,680 --> 02:57:35,680
that's all I had for Monsters Inc. And so we did Hanted, Mansion,

2229
02:57:35,719 --> 02:57:39,479
Frog, Princess Devilin, Max Devlin, and Monsters Inc. And they

2230
02:57:39,719 --> 02:57:45,520
all had a lot of the same
threads and common themes in them. I

2231
02:57:45,639 --> 02:57:52,040
think we have pretty much knocked these
out of the park. And next time,

2232
02:57:52,120 --> 02:57:56,719
yeah, we're gonna do We've been
got two John Goodman movies overlapping in

2233
02:57:58,440 --> 02:58:05,719
we do Good Black Hauldron, Marsnie's
Moms. Yeah, maybe we'll have one

2234
02:58:05,799 --> 02:58:09,479
more, or what we'll have to
think of two more and then we'll have

2235
02:58:09,559 --> 02:58:13,840
a show. Okay though maybe Hey, I'm all for the four, but

2236
02:58:13,040 --> 02:58:16,079
they're granted. How our time goes, maybe we should do three next time,

2237
02:58:16,520 --> 02:58:22,360
Okay, yeah, yeah, okay. Thanks for hanging in with us

2238
02:58:22,479 --> 02:58:24,879
till the end, and we had
a great time and I hope you did

2239
02:58:24,959 --> 02:58:28,600
too, and we'll see you next
time. Thank you, Paul for Kemy,

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You're welcome. Bye, Jamie.
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