Welcome back to Part two of Disturbing Disney Movies. Now we are on a
descent going straight to h E Double hockey Sticks with Walt Disney. We are
on a theme park ride with these four movies. We're gonna do Haunted Mansion,
The Princess and the Frog, the Devil and Max Devlin and Monsters,
inc. So last week we left off at the House of Blues. Do
you remember that? But dude, it's kind of like when you're saying that
intro, it's like, we're going on our own mister Toad wild ride exactly
hockey Sticks they do. We're talking about House of Blues and the scary dirt
they brought in. They called it the Mississippi Mud Ritual where they're bringing the
mud from. So this is interesting. I wrote in my second book about
ten years ago Mona, zombies and rock and roll will blow your mind and
rock your body. Thetans their body, theetans. Do you know what those
are? Yes? Scientology. So I was connecting devil worship, rock and
roll, scientology, and voodoo and I had a voodoo era like, not
that I was doing it, but I was reading lots of books and studying
it because It was really fascinating how ordered it all is. I mean,
it's not just cutting off chicken's heads and dancing around. It's very elaborate,
right, oh, very They have a whole pantheon, they have a whole
cosmology, they have a whole law about the serpent in the rainbow. Yeah.
So Robert Johnson sold his soul, it says, at the Highway sixty
one and forty nine in Clarksdale, Mississippi. And he is the father of
rock and roll, right, and that's where you took the whole trope of
selling your soul to the devil, which we're going to cover that and today,
Yes, in Devil and Max Devlin. So I love it when it's
the show comes together. But I'm sorry, excuse me, I'm sorry.
I was gonna say, also have a Princess and the Frog, though we
got some soul selling and really in like a lot of Disney movies like yeah,
Ariel, yeah, yeah, I guess in a way, even Cinderella
getting heard little midnight romp by extension, you can say, Aladdin getting the
genie powers, you know, but anyways, go on, go on.
But yeah, I love it when a show comes together with I don't even
try to connect all these things. They just do it on their own.
So this is going to be really good. I didn't know if you knew
about like the voodoo coming from Africa and the New World. It gets mixed
together with Roman Catholicism and they just attribute different voodoo gods to the saints of
Catholicism. That's like the whole Santa Maria thing, right, Why not like
Santa oh, Santaria. I know, yeah, Santa Maria is just Saint
Mary, isn't There Is there any sort of Mary and voodoo though? Who's
like Mary? Yeah? Well yes, I maybe that would be like Ocean
or one of the female the big female goddesses. So there's a whole like
you know how Egyptians have nine gods, yeah, and they're related and then
they have children. The voodoo pantheon is like that too, and they also
have like the good ones and the bad ones. And then there's also how
voodoo dovetails into Gnosticism. I don't know, ye Catholic masks and the vood
on work book. I remember reading this old magic book along to you.
When did voodoo start? When did it start coming over here? Do you
know, like centuries wives in the New World times, you know, Christopher
Columbus and the slave trade and brought that so like maybe even before the founding,
like the founding of the country proper. Oh yeah, so like okay,
I guess there's two. Let me put my memory on. Dahomie and
Benin I think are the two major centers. And it's called Ruba. And
so that came over with slaves to Haiti first and then the Caribbean and then
like New Orleans and the South. So that was the way that it got
here, gotcha right. And the god of the Crossroads who is papal Legba,
and he's kind of like a gate keeper and he is connected to freemasonry
also, and I also I have a picture of it looks like a shadow
man exactly. So he from the Friends's frog. He would be like a
called a book wore like a voodoo priest m okay or you can also call
him like a human or a mambo is a female priest and they go through
like purification rituals. If you want to become you know, like a voodoo
priests, you have to wear white for a whole year. You have to
cover up all your mirrors. You have to do all of these rituals.
And so the point of this is to become so powerful that you become possessed
by the Blowa. They call them the voodoo spirits. Mmmm. And remember
I'm sorry, go ahead, no, what we're you gonna say? Oh,
just just side reference. So that's the Lowa. There's this comic book
series back in the nineties called The Invisibles and it's like spherical esoteric, like
if you could say superhero quote unquote, all right, yeah you did,
you had the Invisibles, is it? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, right
that there's a whole forgetting his character off the time. I have a bit
literally a voodoo guy who like covered as a rap artist. Oh yeah,
the power he had the power of the loa and the scorpions to like do
his invisible bidding exactly. Yeah. So that is what's going on right in
downtown Disney in House of Blues, And that is a perfect segue into our
first movie, which is The Haunted Mansion. And I it's funny when they
make movies out of rides. Some of them are really not good, but
Pirates of the Caribbean was awesome. Yeah. Yeah, I was just thinking
have there been any other movie rides or is this number two? Well,
I don't know. Dumbo was a movie or a ride? First, probably
a movie, So definitely Dumbo was ride, Alison, Wonderland is a ride?
What else? Even if this is only the second one, you could
say they're not two for two? Right, Tomorrowland was a movie? Oh
yeah, yeah, yeah, you can say Tomorrowland in a weird way because
that was like a park way before it was a movie. Yeah, movie?
Yet do they do what movie? A small world movie? Oh?
Would that even be? Like I don't know, it would be like just
us all watching each other on YouTube all the time, exactly like a black
mirror small world. Yeah, so hanned Mansion twenty twenty three. Welcome to
New Orleans. First words of the movie. Yes, Soko Voodoo, I
got a soft spot for New Orleans. I've not been, but I've always
wanted to it. When I grew up as a kid like New Orleans,
dixieland jazz, Christmas music. That was like it really just opened something in
me, like my love of jazz and New Orleans. Like I don't know,
man, I just love the French Quarter and I always wanted to visit
and yeah, so I confess that silly as this movie was. Esthetically enjoyed
some of it, some of it, you know, but you've never been,
no, no, just been all the way out in California, So
I'm the same way as you. I love the aesthetic of it. I
think it looks really fun. I love the jazz music. I've been there
a couple of times, and God will not let me spend more than twenty
four hours in New Orleans for whatever reason, Like I really want to explore
and see things, but we get there and then something happens and we have
to go. Or one time we were there and there was a hurricane that
we had to escape, and as they were closing off the freeways, we
would have got flooded, but we kind of like floated out of there as
the last people to get on the highway before they closed all the exits.
But it is a a place with a very interesting feeling. Like we took
a tour in one of the old graveyards m because they don't bury they're dead,
they have to be above ground, so everybody's got like a little mausoleum
or they're stacked up in little We actually were going to see Nicholas Cage's tombstone
that he bought already for himself, like a white pyramid. Yeah, and
they had what who is that voodoo queen oh Rrie Lobo and her grave was
there, and people still to this day put little gifts like coins or cigarettes
or hair bows or whatever, like a little offering and ask her for things.
So I thought that was very interesting. But yeah, I meant,
but they weren't smoked. They were like whole. But this is what you
do. Like it when the loa coomes and possesses the voodoo priests or priestess,
then they take on the characteristics of that spirit, that God, right,
and then the people are supposed to bring them things like they prefer their
they're like brandy or they have different requests and you know who's there by what
they want you to bring them. So wow, crazy, Yeah, So
welcome to New Orleans. It starts out with a couple a meat cute yeah,
yeah, and it is between the better and Alyssa. Yes, and
Melissa translates in Greek to the end of madness A plus l ssa, so
she will end Ben's madness or so we'll think, okay, interesting, and
he is an astro physicist, right right, and she is a ghost.
We're a guide, yeah, and he just believes we're all dirt quote unquote
from dirt in the movie. We'll get to that maim jumping ahead about five
minutes though. That's okay, we learned quickly that she dies. Yeah,
she doesn't spend very much time in the movie. He says, I'm an
astrophysicist, and she says, you mean rocket science and he's like, oh,
something like that. And he says he's creating lenses. He's currently working
on the formula to map dark matter. Yeah, I love spectral photography.
Yeah, And so he starts going on about quantum mechanics and she says,
you're trying to see the unseen and I was like laughing at this, like
guy spitting uh, you know dark matter game at the bar, right,
Like how many times do you go and try and shut up a girl like
I'm trying to study dark matter? But like, yeah, sure, really
fun, sure really fun, this attractive, but well, you know what
I thought was really the I thought it was a bold move in Disney twenty
twenty three is like basically it's like two minutes to New Years and She's like
trying to get a drink and he's like, here, you want mine.
She's just like, sure, a strange guy. I don't know, I'll
drink your drink. Right, I thought that too. I was like,
don't take that drink, girl. So now we are seeing a marriage between
science and the paranormal right off the bat and right away this reminded me of
angels and demons, and I was like, is he talking about cern And
later on the movie he does explicitly talk about certain right, yes, well,
here is a kids movie based on a theme park ride, just a
haunted house ride. But we are going deep, deep into like cutting edge
science, the quantum realm. We're going in the quantum realm, dark batter
unseen things. And they start talking about cathode ray tubes. And I didn't
know if you had seen in one of my books I talk about do I
have it right here or not? Probably not, But the cathode ray TV
tube was made by people in the Golden Dawn who were trying to see on
the other side. They thought spirits could arrange the particles on the screen.
And so a lot of these technologies, especially rocket science, which she mentions
is magicians or people with occults, uh backgrounds trying to implement that as a
technology, and that is there's science right right. I'll think about how crazy
the Catholic rain even earlier the radio was, like I heard this thing where
like when old timers when the radio first came out, they literally were like,
ar no way that you can hear things through a little box Fromaldish far
away? You know, yeah, yeah, just the whole I don't know.
I don't really have a point point other than that the mind bogglingness of
the invisible and man's tempt at trying to get there through the science and sometimes
achieving. Frankly, you know it's slowing up. Indicate right now? Who
who said that the science, what is it? Advanced technology is indistinguishable from
magic? Who said that? Do you remember? I think it's Iron Man?
No, I don't know. Was it Arthur Clark or was it one
of the other guys? Anyways, Oh it might have been It might have
been Arthur C. Clark. Okay, Yeah, So I don't know.
They're saying advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic, and that's what we're talking about
right now, right and before we just like maybe launching to just go and
beat there, beat to the movie. I think maybe for me kind of
the one thing I want to not really like hit home, but from the
sort of Christian perspective, is very much how like these movies. It's like
they have such good intentions kind of quote unquote and we're going to do all
that great spiritual lifting, but it's this weird sort of quantum science spiritualism stuff,
you know, And I think for me it's just more kind of like
my kind of chicken little running around saying the sky's falling thing is kind of
like what are we as Christians to do with this sort of stuff? Like,
are we just supposed to maybe really strengthen our kids in Christian stuff so
that when they go see these movies they can pinpoint how this isn't good for
us for lack of a better word, or do we just kind of like
let it all go and say it's all demonic and stupid and hell be damned,
But you know, it's still making billions and billions of dollars, you
know, do we Yeah? I don't know. So I'm just saying it's
like these movies are fascinating to me because I see them with a lot of
I see them as if like I'm a person who's just kind of a whatever
Joe Blow not really with a set belief system, and you think, oh,
if I just work hard enough on my science camera, I'll bring my
loved one back to life. Remember the whole point of him making the cameras
to bring her back from the dead. So it's like basically purporting like Frankensteiny
and Promethean values. If you really want to like chip away at all the
surface stuff and get to the core themes, it's like super Promethean, you
know. And it's just kind of just like it's not it's not good.
Yeah, it's like phenomenal cosmic godpowers that we're not ready for. Right And
even even if the movie isn't really hitting that, hope that theme really hard.
Like it's not a Frankenstein movie per se. The mere fact that he
has like his quantum camera, we just as an audience members, let's go,
oh, quantum camera check, ghost realm check. Therefore science will get
us into ghost realm check check. Moving off, you know, and it
kind of like all these weird questions like, well, what is this spiritual
world if there's angels and ghosts and demons, but there's no God and just
kind of like, you know, it's like, I know, it's just
a movie that I'm supposed to answer these things. But we as I think,
as discerning people, like, hey, let's just say at the very
least, I don't need to make it so high falu and I just have
fun trying to analyze these movies because they're so weirdly and well, they're consistent
within themselves, but they don't line up with our worldview, let's say,
in trying to find that do it between them if any you know. Well,
that's why I think it's funny when people say I follow the science or
I believe in science. I'm like, you know, all these scientists are
into like woo woo occult stuff truly, yeah, and just stuff. If
that doesn't sound scientific, well right, I mean that's something I'm like in
my thank God the Lord gave me so much grace at the outset to just
walk away so easily, but like in my long repentance from union kind of
stuff, like you realize it's not a far leap from scientific trying to be
discerning an objective to just being totally ridiculous with the way that like, like
for instance, like jumping ahead a little, but when I was trying to
talk about to myself, trying to figure out Princess and the Frog, I
found like mass Woman's kind of got a lot going on that I could watch
and try to figure out blah blah blah blah blah, and kind of using
all my like union labels of like shadow and the anima and trying to like
you know, make it all work. And I just realized, like it
just kind of hit me, like there's this whole on one camp esoteric speculation
theory using our esoteric decoder ring where we have to like figure everything out and
then there's which is revealed to us. That's what it is, you know,
and like gospel has been revealed to us. Everything that we believe is
like available from eight year olds to eighty eight year olds. You know,
there's a level of way this truth is revealed that everybody can understand. You
can also go deeper, but with a lot of this other more occult stuff
you have to like, like you were saying about, I'm trying to get
this to the scientists being into all the occult It's like they have to have
all this jargon and labels and terms for everything that they're applying into the spiritual
world, casting like a net upon it of terms and definitions. And it's
just kind of like funny because I can interpret these movies sort of trying to
use that like, well, this symbolizes this and that symbolizes this. But
another level, it's like, dude, just don't mess with voodoo doctors,
like, don't go into ghost houses. You know, it's pretty straightforward.
I'm trying contact the dead. It's not a good idea. Yeah. I
was talking to my priest for like alluding to kind of like kind of get
some questions about ghosts and spirits and stuff, and he didn't say much other
than yes, yes, we're believe in ghosts. Read about Samuel and Saul
and David and in that story, and it's kind of ambiguous, which giving
him vigeous answer, But he definitely said be careful conjuring dead loved ones.
It's basically always going to be always going to be demons if you go that
route. Yeah, there was a story in South America about a group of
girls who are playing with the Weiji board and they all end up in the
hospital. It was that a while ago or just within the last two months,
I think, wow, because Weji board has been around for quite quite
a while. So yes, this is what we are. The subject matter
that children are expected to be able to follow, cern quantum mechanics, dark
matter, voodoo. And the wife dies in the beginning of the movie.
That always happens in a Disney movie. The matriarch has to pass away because
we've got to go looking for our divine feminine somewhere in the right, right,
the fia has got to get found, right, And there's a Sophia
symbol later on in this movie. But so she was the one who believed
in the paranormal. He was the one who was approaching it from the scientific
standpoint. I believe in the material world and what I can prove, what
I can see. That's why he needs a camera to prove that there's ghost
right right. He needs it further. He needs an extension of himself to
buttress between him. He needs the outer himself so that he's not really him
directly exposed to the spiritual world like she is. You know, he needs
his little his extended eye, his eye to really see it, you know,
because he can't see Wow, I'm gotta blown away by that. The
interesting symbolism there, Like he needs he can't see him with his own eyes,
so he needs his like you know, extended technical I right, otherwise
he's a nonbeliever. Yeah, he can't. He can only see the spirit
roll through technology, which in a weird way is like I hate to say
it, that's like what we all do too, Like in a weird way,
you and I are both disembodied to one another right now talking over then.
Yeah, I didn't even want to call him the air waves because like
what is it? You know? Yeah, it's like literally going yeah,
ethernets in the WiFi. Yeah, yeah, the invisible domain is connecting us.
So he has taken over her job after she passed away. Now he's
the ghost tour guide, but he sucks at it because he is bitter part
Yeah, he's part in it. This is where this is where he gives
his line that we're all dirt. M what does he say says ghosts don't
exist, it's just dirt. We're all dirt, And he gets super aggro.
Yeah, we're all star stuff, right, because when you're star stuff,
you become totally buttard at the end of the day when love leads you
because you're not going to see them in the you know, in heaven later
exactly right, right, and well, and he was tortured because the last
thing he said to her was kind of cold. Oh yeah, yeah,
you're jumping ahead in the film, but right, it was what do you
remember exactly what he said. She asked him to come with her somewhere and
he said, no, I can't, I'm busy, and she ended up
so but yeah, so he's got a lot going on, and he is
visited by Owen Wilson. Yeah who we should we spill the beans now and
say he's a priest but not priest. Yeah, I thought this was pretty
funny. He calls himself father Kent. Yeah. Right, But again,
they're just on Roman Catholic stuff. We kind of hurt Knox were sort of
off the hook here on this because they're really just making the Catholics, which
I don't mean that's like good for them beating him up, just kind of
like, man, that's what's going on, you know? Or Father Ken's
give me the butt of so many jokes in this movie. Well, what
they were saying, and this is what really drove the point home about Angels
and Demons because that was about the Vatican incern Yeah, right, have you
read Dan brown novel I've seen. No, Actually I have read Angels and
Demons. I didn't see. Yes, I saw that one and read it.
That's the only one of them that actually did read. So that's about
the search for anti matter also, and in this movie, I feel like
Ohen Wilson's character was kind of like saying that God's representative is ineffective and kind
of shady. Yeah, not only that, he refers to himself as coach
Kent at a certain point and just kind of saying like, yeah, I'm
not even a priest here. Because like what I was trying to say in
my little rant earlier about how these movies are interesting spiritual things because we as
Orthodox Christians can either look at them and kind of do apologetics for them and
stuff, or look at them be like, you know, if this was
a pagan religion in the first century and we were Christians in the first century,
this would be our rival religion for sure, And so at some level,
would I noticed this movie doing like super underhandedly or blatantly was putting the
psychic as more powerful than the priest, and like, wh I'm trying to
say this from our orthodox perspective. If you're to watch this movie, it's
like, well, obviously the priests would go in there, do the exorcism,
stay there as many nights as need be, and all the ghosts would
be gone because ghosts have no power over Jesus, you know. And it's
like all the priests has to do is is priest stuff, and that place
would be good to go. We wouldn't have a movie, you know,
because it'd be so boring on some level. Not trying to say exorcisms are
boring, you know, but you know what I'm saying, like it would
be boring because the priests would win, right, Crisis already defeated the demons.
So they make the priests like lower than the psychic, which again is
kind of like saying magic is higher up than prayer materialism, which you know,
between you, Like, I know somebody can listening to this, we'll
be saying I'm making a leap saying a psychic as a materialist. But I
think you know what I'm saying in terms of like psychics and medium still sort
of being in that same world views you know, the modern world. Basically,
it's just like science is spiritual sciences, spirituality is like mediumism on some
level. Yeah, same coin. Yeah, So I'm saying, is this
movie kind of in the end affirms that side magic, Disney magic more than
Christian prayer. But what do we expect, right Jamie? What should we
expect? Oh? Yeah, I would expect nothing less than the just the
spirit world triumphs over the spirit world in a different than two other comments on
the priest, and then we could just move on. I thought, I
actually think it's kind of funny, but it's also kind of like these sad
moments where he prays. He's like, I think you should say a prayer,
and he's like, oh God, give us a break, you know,
like I'm so lovely saying Lord have mercy. But on another level,
he's just got, you know, no no real faith kind of in what
he was doing. And then at the end when he basically praises or does
a prayer something in the name of Kent rather than in the name of the
Father's trying in the Holy Spirit. And I was like, oh wow,
Yeah, And so in a way, I feel like they're saying that Christianity
is a con or, you know, prett conment because the priest call Yeah,
not only are there the comment because he's such a jokester, but the
priest calls the physicists. He's like, h I think this is a job
for you. M M exactly. So God needs help from science this movie.
Yea. And so he did manage the main character Ben the Black Eye.
He did manage to invent a camera to see the ghost particle, right,
Yeah, I love that. And this is I guess a metaphor for
the God particle what they were looking for at CERN, because at that point
they do say that he did work at CERN at one point. Yeah.
So it's funny. I remember years and years ago, the God particle being
that whole thing. They built CERN for it, right like the atom,
and try to find what happens when they do that dark matter. Well,
what they said was they were trying to make baby big bangs to see what
would have what had happened at the beginning of the universe. I'm pretty sure
God built himself a laboratory at the beginning of the universe. Yes, bang,
he built a giant particle collider and he put a statue of Shiva out
in front. That's true. Actually there is a statue of she found in
front of CERN. I remember when they they did some kind of ceremonies at
CERN also that were very pagan ritual looking like the Olympics. And when they
opened that tunnel remember the Gothard Tunnel ceremonies. Did you ever see that?
No? One of those. Just look that up on your own time.
So when they do these things in Europe, they always have these very like
Wickerman pagan Norse type plays and ceremonies that you they're fun to decode. But
so there's Cern, there's the Catholic Church, there's the God Particle. They're
talking about quantum lenses. And Ben has to go investigate the single mom Rosario
Dawson's house because she has moved into the Haunted House, like the Haunted House
from Disneyland. Right, Yeah, and you think it's spend like ins we're
just doing commentary. It's kind of like what what did her ripe mind?
I know she wants to do a bed and breakfast, but like, I
mean, come on, dude, did you like Google photos that place before
you? Yeah? Right, you must have got that a really good deal
on that thing. Yeah really, Oh I think she did say something like
that, right, but something yeah. Yeah. So she invites him to
investigate, and he doesn't believe her, and he leaves, and that's when
he realizes that he is still haunted from being at her house. This was
an interesting conceit. The ghosts leave the mansion to bring people back to it,
like they're like the hitchhiking They're kind of like those hitchhiker ghosts from the
right are exactly that, And that always creeped me out, Like every time
I went on the Haunted Mansion ride and you go through the end of it
and you see them sitting there with you and being and they're coming home with
you. You grew up ahead, you grew up in Soco. Yeah yeah,
going to Disneyland. Yeah, that's what we're saying before. Yeah,
you know, it's funny. I I think it's like a SOCW thing,
this Disney stuff, because like I'm as I talked to people where I'm from
now, and like people never grew up around SOCOW in the Hollywood world for
lack of a better word, like they don't seem to get it in the
same way, you know, and Lord have mercy on them and God bless
them. But I'm just kind of like, man, there's just something about
like everybody's born at a certain time and place with things that affect them,
you know, and being born in Soko going to Disneyland, really, I
think it's done a number on my human psyche, to be honest, definitely.
Why. I mean, why do you think I have all these books
and talk about Disney. I spent so much time there as a tour guide,
even just outside of the park. Well, you can roam around inside,
you can do whatever you want while you're waiting for whatever group you brought
to do what they're gonna do. Like a tour though, like you did
tour guides for I didn't work for Disney, but Disneyland on my tour.
So like you take at them and get them in there, and you give
them their lunch ticket and then you pick them up at six And I had,
you know, the all day to do what I want, but I
have to stay in the park area. So I have a lot of experience
just hanging out at Disney looking at things slowly finding the secret corners and spots.
So I spent a lot of time there. Yeah. Wow, and
I always hated the hitchhiking ghosts, like they gave me the heb gbs.
That's funny. Hey, speaking of heb gbs, there's some scary moments in
this movie. Yeah, parents, definitely, I'd say TGD eleven if you're
bringing your kids in there. Oh, there are some creepy, creepy ghosts.
And Jared Leto was the main our demon. Wasn't he the bag ye
if you don't really looked like him though, it kind of looked like CGI
ghost face. It was mostly CG him. Okay, So they follow Ben
home and he's got these like ghosts with They say, they're like bedbugs,
like you can't get rid of them, right right, and the house traps
you there, and so they have to go to the psychic, the medium.
The she's not a voodoo priestess, but she's kind of in the same
she's like a yeah, yeah, yeah, she's in the category. She's
just kind of like she's like TV to cinema. She's not as cool.
Well these days TV is better. Back in the day, she would have
been like a TV star instead of a movie star. Right, She's not
bad, She's she's like b B ranking So they get her, and this
is where the team starts to become effective. So they've got your defunct priest
or not even a priest, which we don't know this till the very end
of the movie. Yeah, we're like, wow, you're a single mom,
your son with no father. You're the important serialist. What that'll be
important later on because well, anyways, we'll get to what we get to
it. But yeah, we have our astrophysicists, materialists, and then our
history professor. Oh Danny, I forgot he was in that. Yeah,
yeah, you gotta have the facts. And you're like, what's her name,
miss Cleo? Remember that called me? Now? Oh yeah, psychic
miss Cleo. Yep, so she miss Cleo. I forgot her name,
but I'm just going to refer her as miss Leo. Now they're getting somewhere
and they figure out that there had been a suicide in the mansion and sixty
six people died there, right, And it's interesting that they say this number
sixty six m because this is the number of the dark side in the Cabala.
Really yeah, so like you know how you have the tree of life
and then they have a shadow side of the tree of life. You should
know this. You're all about shadow Side. I never got I basically converted
saved before I had to ever get into that. Yeah good, I'm just
kidding. But yeah, So there's true life in the shadow Side, and
that's where the demons hang out. They're called the Clee Fought, and their
number is sixty six. I think even forgive me nerds out there, I
think even in Star Wars World, sixty six is like a bad number because
that's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, execute order sixty six and then
they all kill skad Jedi. That's it. That's the yeah, all right,
because I used to meet that too. As an example, what yeah,
except for the one chicken the new show who apparently got sick. Yeah,
we don't even get to go into that. So they're throwing out,
you know, cabala numbers. I don't. I'm not a big numerology person,
but I knew I do know the big one sixty six six six six
ninety three those times you know, well, it's funny, like I'm not
really big into numerology either, but meaning something I know for a fact in
numerology, I'm not trying to be like, dude, check this out.
It means it's true, but in numerology it's always about ten. Right.
Once you get to ten, everything starts over. So it's like if a
digit is Because I think about this jumping ahead to Max Devlin, because the
motocross guy his number is nineteen, it's kind of like nineteen, is there
anything there? And I'm just look, I don't want to say this is
like my cool interpretation, send me a check, but saying oh, this
is literally what somebody with a base level numerology thing when says to say,
oh, one plus nine, that's ten. Ten is the perfect number of
alchemy. Therefore motor cross guy is somehow, you know, the alchemist because
he gets the devil power be the best motocross guy. You know, just
saying yeah, I don't know much about numerology either, but there's some base
things that are that are right, little things in the tool kit you should
know about, Yeah, fidgets, Yeah, definitely, the big ones you
should know because they do come up again and again. You should know.
I mean in reference to ghosts, like a movie about dead people and haunted
things, and because they do say that those on the dark side street of
life are like shells. They call them are ghosts, right, and six
six one six is also a six six six. It's the same same thing.
And I can't go into all of it because I honestly I don't remember
it all. But like in Greco Roman Hebrew numerology back in the day when
they're passing around revelation six one six was basically equal to six six six as
a as a thing as well. Oh okay, you ever seen through the
medium, miss Cleo. They find out out that there was some psychic activity
going on in the day's past, and that is what opened the floodgates to
all of these ghosts being attracted to this house. Yeah. Well, and
most importantly I thought about that was that it's the frequency of him doing it.
It was like, right, remember he did seances every day for a
year. This is all in flashbacks we're getting. But he was flash flashbacks.
He was getting he was getting flashbacks of his ghost tripping. And that's
what caused him all to break through, is because he was what's the what
could be a metaphor anyways, he was rubber. He was rubbing down his
sort of his buffer. Yes, totally, they were spinning the membrane between
the world. There you go. That's what I was looking for. And
it's kind of funny you bring that up, because remember earlier ghost Cleo ladies,
she talks about ghost winks, how they're like an interface between the dimensions,
and it's got like the Venn diagram with the best pisces. Yeah.
Nice. Yeah, I was gonna mention that too. Yeah, a little
symbol in there, but not really, you know, not only did they
have that. She's explaining she's trying to illustrate the realms of the living and
the dead, and she's yeah, she puts the circles like here, here's
the living, here's the dead, here's us. We're like in the middle,
right, And this is an esoteric agnostic symbol, the vesticle pisces,
which is like the portal to the material world because it's the female genital m.
And then I noticed in the foyer, when you come into the very
front door, you've got that circumpunct. Did you see that a little?
I mean it's the target logo. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I
didn't see that. Yes, So I talked about this a lot and relation
to like, it's really important to the Illuminati because it's a symbol, it's
a solar symbol. Let's go yeah unt, yeah, okay, got you
right down circumpunct because Dan Brown also wrote an entire novel about that, and
Freemasonry called it the Lost Symbol. So yeah, basically the target logo is
in astrology, it's solar logo. Yeah. In the Ilumnati it was a
symbol of fire, and it is also a symbol of androgyny, with the
point being the male, in the circle being the female and moad what right,
Plainly it looks like an eyeball too. Yeah. Yeah, and it's
also like you know, the Pythagorean monad, So it's got a lot going
on, right, It's not just a target, it's it's very That's what
I'm saying. That's what I'm saying about. That's what I'm saying about speculative,
esoteric decoder ring stuff. We gotta do versus review, yield truth.
Where it all in our symbolism is like, I mean, there's a lot
of poetry about the cross being certain things, but on some level it's like
it doesn't warrant so many webs of associated names of what it might be because
every one of those is sort of like a hyperlink you and click and then
find out way more and more and more and more and more, and yeah,
it's just an interesting I'm trying to I guess was kind of having this
revelation the other day of kind of like it's like we almost have these light
switches in our head that we can switch between ways of seeing things, and
when we see something like the circumpunct, you know, and it's sort of
mysterious surface and some of them warrants so many more dreamy day dream associations.
You could say in a way that like we don't really have a set definition
of what it is where there's a lot of other symbols i'd say, frankly
in the Christian tradition that are so simple, you know, even a six
year old understands them. It's just kind of like, wow, one brings
me a lot more piece and clarity, the other one makes me confused,
and oh yeah, you never get to the bottom of it, right,
right, because it can also be a binary thing like computer one in zero
right right, which also cabala can beget into Daoism being yeah, and the
two pillars anyways, exactly. So we've got all of these psychics and mediums
in the Haunted Mansion the Madame Leota was the one trapped in the crystal ball.
That was the Jamie Lee Curtis character. So you've got the old medium
and the new medium working. Yeah, and not only that, the new
medium. See it's a little stuff like this, Like I'm imagining. I'm
like an eight year old kid and I love Halloween and then you watch this
movie and you're like, oh, how to do that? Or I can't
wait till I get old and I get to do that or something. And
so what she does is she likes astral like she lets herself be possessed by
matt Yoda. Yeah. And also earlier they call astral production reverse seancing.
Yes, remember and remember we talked about Mickey astral projecting in Fantasia. Yes,
that's right. And now you have Miss Cleo astral projecting. And she
finds out that the dude who originally owned the mansion had opened the floodgates to
the ghost realm and all of like hundreds of spirits came back, but not
his dead wife because he just wanted to talk to his wife. But he
accidentally led in like all the other ghosts. And I was laughing because I'm
like, what even zone is this like widow zone, you know, right
right, That's what I'm saying. You gotta be careful when you're getting in
the spirit world because you don't really know what you're calling upon. When we
pray, we pray to Lord Jesus Christ, and you know, the saints
and the Mother of God. But like in magic world, may ill just
shift. Maybe I'll just show you it now, this isn't my picture,
Okay, all right, so I'll get a little closer. We have we
have our magician, yes, and he see he's in magic world. So
he sends his will up and he gets whatever comes from the force, and
he's like surrounded in it, and the two are sort of linked. And
in a way, it looks like a good image because well, one,
he's got his cool hat and pointy boots. Looks kind of cool. But
he it seems like a good thing because you have your source of life,
you know, whatever that may be, and you're linked up to it and
you're getting it. But the other hand, you don't really know what's going
on with that. And I'll say a little more when we get to the
voodoo stuff later, because I have some notes on magic versus prayer that will
make it a little clear. Okay, I'll just read them down. But
so that makes kind of what this is going on. We're prayer. You
basically have God giving you a gift. This is God's will, This is
his gift he gives you, and you can do what you want with it.
Or do you want to accept it and open your little gift and receive
what God has given you in your prayer because he's like's yeah, or you
don't need to open it. But magic, you don't really have the same
choice. So that's what I'm trying to say, is like in this situation
is like in the magic chordal door or opening, just like what monsters incs.
You don't know what's going to be on the other side exactly. And
so what you hit upon was something I was trying to write about when before
I became orthodox, I wasn't going to church at all, but I was
studying out of magic and they say you have to write your own system if
you want to be a true magician, you have to think of your own
magic and you know, write it up and have a treaty stuffing. Right,
I probably did something near that myself, and what I called it was
slack magic because I was like, Okay, if I can get anything I
want in the material world by using these formulas or whatever, that kind of
limits me to only the things that I can think about. And I want
to be open to surprises. I want to be open to gifts, like
you said, I want to be open to God's will and co creating a
life that gives me things that I couldn't even They're better than what I could
even dream of, right right, because God is so outside of time anyways
that he already knows what he's gonna give us. Sorry, I can't talk
about time. I start getting too tripped out trying to zoom the camera at
that far but h thing. Yeah, so I totally lost my thread there
forgiving me how to how to meta cosmic moment. But when we pray to
God for what we want, it's kind of like pointless because it's like God
already is just gonna I don't say God's gonna do what God's gonna do because
that gives the wrong impression. But it's kind of like you gotta be really
careful what you're praying for, because God will open doors for you. It's
almost better than to have doors closed. Because you get all these doors open
that you want to go through, you may have to go through a lot
more to get what you want, you know, and so many ways.
That's why we just pray God, let your will be done, and have
mercy on me, you know, like whatever needs to happen for us to
happen, just do it with love and kindness, you know, rather than
what I really want to make happen, you know, right. And it's
so much effort, Like that's what I was finding out. When you study
ritual magic, it's like your entire life you can spend learning how to do
these things the perfect way. And it's just like with me, never underestimate
how much I cannot be bothered to put effort into something. That's why I
want God's will because it's so much work just to get your will all the
time. And I'm a water sign, like we talked about, I want
to go up the flow. I don't want to. I like working hard,
but I don't want to work hard. Does that make sense? Yes?
Yeah, I don't my labor, but I don't want it to be
tedious effort for no like uh little reward. And so I made this thing
called slack magic. And this is why I don't sell this book anymore.
Huh, go a little higher? Yeah, because I was trying to put
together like principles of Christianity plus what is it called Church of the SubGenius and
my own I was gonna ask if you've heard of Bob Dobbs and slack.
That's why it was slack magic, because I don't want to do all of
these magic formulas. I don't want to work for the devil. I don't
want to like sweat of my brow for evil. So what was one of
your techniques you had? Okay? So it's like one was have no fear
because like fear leads to hey, and I was talking about like instead of
paranoia, you should have pronoia, like believe like positive vibes, okay,
instead of fearful vibes. The next one was everything is play, Like if
you think of things as a game, it's not that serious, like Mary
Poppins is some little sugar type right exactly, because think about anything you're working
on. When your whole person I hate the word personality because it sounds so
psychological, but when your whole personhood, when your whole personage is involved in
something. It doesn't feel like work. It does feel like play. Even
if you are something you know, I mean, even if you're digging a
hole, if you're thinking of it like a child or a dog or something
like we're digging a hole like this is you know that work is only work
when part of you is divided, you know, and your friends. And
I was talking about some things in the tow and the Sufi and how they,
you know, advise people who have to do labor. So I was
reading a lot of Eastern mysticism. M yeah, so that was one of
them. Everything's play. Number three was like gratitude is so important. Number
four was like have faith. Number five don't force it, use the force.
It's funny because these are all things and I in a very good way,
endearing way that are very christian Esque, you know. It was very
what is that word when you mash all of the perennial Yes, beIN cretistic,
Yeah yeah, syncretism. Yeah, let's be really you know, most
people that are looking for spirituality in the Western world that aren't. I mean,
I'm just gonna say Orthodox could find other Christian too. Other Christian dominations
include weird mystic stuff. In them that aren't the tradition. But anybody that
is basically looking for spirituality in our times, it isn't I'm gonna be bold
and sack. It isn't orthodox. They're gonna have some sort of syncreti syncretistic
religion. Yeah, not like mean to say so, it's just like how
many people do you know yourself, including myself included? That was like swimming
in those waters, you know. Yeah, yep, so I was about
late and our Disney films are in those waters, that's what we're saying,
and on our show here that yeah, because they appear wholesome on the surface,
but when you get drilled down, it's not that awesome. Yeah,
we'll get to that when we get the Princess and the frog like great.
Yeah. So here's what I thought was interesting when the old dude had like
the hundred seances and he opened the realms to make the house haunted, the
ghosts try to get him to un alive himself. Yeah, I was trying
to reflect. I was reflecting on this, and like the simplest authentic answer
I could give without being overwordy, is like, that's what demons do,
right exactly. Yeah, that's what they'll do. So that's their whole point
of what they're doing to like when you contact them, that is their goal
because people who un alive themselves are punished in eternity. I'm not punished,
but I'd like, you can't do that. Yeah, that's that scary stuff.
And I will try to extrapolate here that's like the quote unquote scary Thing's
not quote unquote it isn't scary about our faith as Orthodox as we believe that
people that un alive themselves do go straight there and there's not really any hope
for them. Yeah. Pretty like it's honestly beyond me to talk about on
a YouTube podcast. So yeah, it's really heavy stuff. But I mean,
on that note, with this film, I thought it was interesting about
all that too, because around that time, bad demon guy box Enemy,
he basically tries to get Jumping ahead. He tries to get them to give
up their souls so that he can have his one thousand soul in the Hunted
Attention and close up shop and just make it I don't know, ghost Factory
forever or something. But what I thought was crazy was like the bad guy
realizes he can't get the main character, so he goes after a little boy
who's also grieving because he's lost his father, Rosario's baby boy. And he
was a little bit of a man. I gotta say he was here.
He was nine, I think they said, because they made a joke.
What you have to like he was fifteen. Well, they made a joke
about his age. Like she's like, is he old enough to hear all
this stuff? And she says something mature and they're like, no, he's
not old enough, and she's like, he's old enough. Yeah. Yeah,
man, that's the wholy thing in this world. Like kids apparently are
just like super old and it's okay to just expose them to anything, right.
But my one note on this really was that basically Lakeith Stanfield tells the
other little kid that he's like, hey, hey, don't listen to the
evil ghosts. You and I can be miserable together forever. You know,
you, I could share your You and I can wallow in our misery together.
And my one little bumper sticker was bad demon feeds on grief, but
humans wallow in it together. Because it was kind of again these weird messages
that these films these days, and it's like, I confess I went online
a little and it's kind of checked out some like Disney fan reviews of this
movie and what people that are very much I would say, not really forgive
me Lord, don't have a very nuanced spirituality at least in their public persona
of what they're talking about with their Disney fan boyism. A lot of them
are saying how how happy they were that it talks about grief and how to
deal with grief and disposing your children to grief at a young age. And
I was kind of like, you know, I could go mix bag on
it because I'd say, as a Christian, we definitely expose our children to
suffering like pretty early on, but there's been a redemption in it. We
have a whole different sort of metaphysic to go with that grief makes it in
a whole different context without explaining orthodox stands on grief, you know what I'm
saying, Versus the sort of haunted mansion Disney spirit version of dealing with your
grief. You know, just talk to right spirits and you guys can have
a party together all the time and you're grief will no longer be there because
you have ghost friends, right and Yeah, so the ghosts fill in the
role of living people in dealing with your grief. And when they do another
seance, it was the man that astral projects this time and a demon comes
to take over his body when his soul was in the spirit world. Yeah,
do you remember that? I do. Yeah, And they report that
that's the real thing, like you don't leave your body unguarded. So dropping
in a book here for reference, Soul after Death by Father Sarah and Rose.
Have you heard of this book or heard of it? Yeah, go
ahead and tell me about it. Yeah, I mean, you know,
honestly, it's a bit of a tough read, not because of any technical
reason, but it's basically a lot of recorded near death experiences of the modern
world and sort of and so you're getting just word for word where a lot
of people have said, so, a lot of Father Sarah and then other
than that's a lot of saints commentary on the toll houses and things like that.
But I just bring up for reference that if anybody's interested in sort of
well, souls and death and the body and the soul, it's a great
book. And then also yeah, I mean, we'll get to it when
we get the Princess and the I can bring up my little chart I made
tonight for Body Soul Split, that's psyche. Yeah. Yeah, so kids
do not try to go astral projecting because googlies can take over in your body
when you're not there. And so this is when they find out that there's
like an arch demon or an arch ghost who the other ghosts are scared of.
Yeah, it's like the Nine Ghosts and a back. Yeah, the
metaphysics of this world. You're just kind of like, wait, I don't
really get who's a charge here? You know, That's what I wanted to
Well, it's it's kind of goes along with all of the other Hollywood movies
about hauntings because like nine times out of ten, the ghost is just trying
to get you to solve the mystery of its demise, right, Yeah,
it's not really nefarious. It just wants you to pay attention and like get
the guy who killed them or whatever. Which again it's like you gotta think,
like, even if something that's like cool and astute and symbolic and wants
to take these movies at face value and try to like find some real meaning
in them, it's just this terrible bait and switch by the demons in Hollywood
to make you think that, like, oh, evil and ghosts, they're
just really people that haven't been heard and they're misunderstood, and if you just
kind of give in to them and go down these lower feelings and become sympathetic
and compassionate, everything will be better. And you know, again without doing
like a whole apologia for our side. But it's kind of like, man,
there are spiritual traditions, our tradition for one, that explains these things
in a lot better, more realistic way that if you really do want to
communicate with the dead, I'm not saying you shouldn't have a seance, but
like how we talk to the saints and pray to them, you know,
there is a way that we have sort of established language for how to deal
with the other side, you know, in our condition where whether again it
might not always be to your liking, you might not always be able to
talk to your mom, you know, sort of through mystical contact, but
at least you have something solid, tried and true and handed down. There's
parameters for dealing with departed. Yes, so you we pray for the people
that are sleep in the Lord and we pray, we ask the saints to
pray for us. So the people we know for sure are close to God,
the saints, right, we talk to them, and then we pray
for our friends and family have died, and in that way there's always hope
that we could see them again. And no one, no one is dead
in Christ. Everyone is alive in Christ. And so that's like one of
these when we get crazy about our evangelism and we're like, you got to
be a Christian, dude, you gotta be a Christians because like, on
some level there's this great joy of knowing that nobody is truly dead. And
I'm sure you can. We can make up our own forced ghost star wars
pop culture theology to try to our esoteric decoder ring for how to make that
true. Or you can also just be like, yeah, go read the
Fathers and the Church and everything we hand down, and well, you know
it's been revealed to us by God that this is the way the universe and
the beyond universe works in our relationship with the dead, where like you said,
asleep because they're not really dead. No one's dead Christ. And once
you're baptized, I guess that's why I brought the point of about the Christianities.
If you're baptized as a Christian and ideally obviously living that life, you
would well, you get the benefit I don't want to say benefits rewards,
but you know, you get the sort of you live in that land of
that mythos. You can say peace of mind, right yeah. Yeah.
And it's sad when you know that there are people that you love the you
might not know what their fate is, you know, which is something Ben
the character in this movie, was searching for, trying to invent his particle
being camera and all of that. He just wanted to because think about how
boring of a movie it would be as if he really got to a church
learned how to pray and that was the end of the movie. Yeah,
you wouldn't have a lot of CGI going on in that. Yeah. Okay.
So the goat the arch ghost arch demon. He wears a top hat
like a magician and a freemason. And his name is Alistair I know,
I for sure, Alistair Kromp. That's a terrible name. So Alistair Krump
was the son of a real estate tycoon named Addison Kromp, who was a
cruel father. Alistair had his Gatsby era, but he killed a bunch of
people and got into blood sacrifice. Yeah, like you call his gaps the
era. Well that was the story, right, Like he came back and
started having parties and killing people and sacrificing them to the devil. And I
just thought, well, this is a lovely movie. Yeah. So,
and he has been trying to get the Little Boy to kill himself this whole
time because he needs his final soul to be willing. Yea, yeah,
that's why I jumped ahead a bit. But that's when I'm saying when he
gave up on astrophysicist guy right for the little kid, And we'll talk later
about the little kids and demons too, think, oh right, exactly.
So, yeah, he is on trend with his unliving. He wants the
little Boy to do that too so he can see his dead father again.
And the mediums come together to defeat Crump, not the priest and the patriarch.
It was the mediums right right right? And where did the note I
put here? Oh? Basically, the priest gets the ghosts to go fight
evil, which I thought was an interesting like, I don't know, he's
kind of like a shaman right on some level. If he's he's standing the
spirits and getting them to do stuff, it's like his priesthood has kind of
been a way just to shaman hood. It was like that scene in Lord
of the Rings where he gets the ghost Army to come fight with him at
the end. Right, yeah the Rings is way better. Yeah yeah,
Ygun's way more based than Father Ken. I thought. One last note I
kind of have on this one was said the end, the wife sends him
that gift from the spirit world, right, the cat to Pater Tot,
the cat that's loafing on his porch, which makes him cry. But I
was just I was just like, literally like, what what is the spiritual
dynamics of this movie? Like, is the is it an angel? Is
there a god? Was it her who sent the cat? How does this
work? Like I might be spurging our wife sent the cat from the beyond
as a familiar, right, But then you gotta wonder, Okay, what
kind of spiritual world is it where any Joe Blow who goes to heaven or
wherever this place is now suddenly has powers to like that are worthy of God
to send down incarnate kiddies yeah, you know, bestow gifts upon you from
beyond right right right, And it's just kind of one of these interesting things
that again like maybe I'm beating a dead horse with all this, but to
me, I just being imaginative. I can't help but wonder if you were
to, like peel behind the scenes of these movies theologies, you'd be like,
what kind of spirit world is this? Like I don't want to live,
you know, it's not pieve at all. There's at least no salvation
at the very least of eternal life. Right. Well, that was Haunted
Mansion, and I bet you didn't think it would be full of blood sacrifice
and demons trying to get kids to unlive themselves. But here we are in
twenty twenty three. That is a Peach movie. Yeah, and you have
the kids being coerced that, but also the parents sort of lowering themselves down
to the kids level and rather than inspiring the kids that come up, being
like, no, I'll be on your grief level with you and see I'm
I'm just an incompetent dad as well, and we can wallow in it together
as boy, you know, which I thought was not like kids need to
look up to somebody. We all need to like be coming down to level
of trying to always please the children. I think that's problematic. Well,
let's linger in New Orleans for a minute and talk about the Princess and the
Frog. And this is funny because I thought it was called the Frog Prince,
but it's not. This is the first story, not his story.
Ah. So have you seen this one before watching this? Now? Yeah?
I think I saw it when it came out, but I hadn't seen
it since then. And this is probably one of the last animated Princess movies.
Besides, it is Frozen animated or is it? Yeah, I have
that on my note, but Frozen Frozen's three D. But yeah, I
put this is I think are this is one art your n eye's a first
official Disney Princess romp will be going through here. And yeah, the first
two D animated one, but also the last and I guess you can the
first black Princess, Yes, and the first one that takes place like in
America in a real place, the Disney. This was interesting because like with
these films, looking at it from our sort of Disney religion historian hat,
this is these movies none of these movies have Walt Disney's involvement at all.
So it's kind of interesting seeing, I mean, we're talking about Disney,
Walt Disney, and then when he's gone, what has become of the company
and all the movies that kind of make in his wake, when basically the
visionary leader of the whole religion you could say, or whatever entertainment business is
gone. And so I just say I thought it was interesting where this movie
is kind of hits close to the classic Disney movies because it's one, you
know, two D Princess movie. But also there were people probably on this
who I think it's maybe like third degrees away from Walt. You have,
like Walt think, you have his animators right below him. And though then
there'd be the young ones after that who would like the Renaissance era being glad
and all that, and those people worked on Princess and the Frog. So
there's still a little bit of a tie of the classic Disney stuff in these,
at least esthetically, you know. Well, they started out with the
evening Star is Shining Bright, and that was kind of throwback to Pinocchio.
I have that on my notes. I made a little note I wanted to
be poetic here with our Disney hymnology as well, talking about spirit world we
have. Yeah, the evening star is shining bright. Make a wish and
hold on tight. There's magic in the air tonight and anything can happen.
Yes, But my favorite one from well maybe you'd know it, but from
Cinderella. A dream is a wish your heart makes when you're fast asleep.
See, when you're unconscious and you go into dreamland, that's when you get
all your magic. Just like Mickey in dreams, you will lose your heartache
and whatever you wish for you keep have faith in your dreams and someday your
rainbow will come shining through. So no matter how your heart is grieving,
if you keep on believing the dream that you wish will come true. And
that just so lovely, Jamie, what a wonderful way to live your sounds.
Yeah, it sounds great dreams all our Disney movies. Dreaming kind of
gets in trouble. And that was if I may maybe run here a little
bit with the momentum I was saying before I got recorded, I had little
notes I made on sort of magic and Nicole to share that would be probably
good for right now. Okay, well it goes perfectly with the drawing that
you made before. So instead of praying like her nighttime prayers to Jesus,
she's wishing on a star, right, and then you can get a frog.
You don't know what's going to happen. Wishing to the force. You
can get blown up like Jack Prson's Yeah, anything could happened. Amen.
Okay, so some no, I was just so forgive me audience and Jamie
like, I'm probably just gonna read down my little notes I took because I
don't want to turn into along. I'm trying to form these into a coherent
speech kind of deal. You know, you can can hear it, and
I think they'll be if there's something that picks out to your ears. My
kind of point with this though, so it doesn't just devolve into me just
reading my little list is that like I'll go and read the Fathers or read
you know, spiritual literature and they talk about all this stuff about like fantasies
and day dreams and the logos me and thoughts and how you got to be
discerning through your thoughts and your passions and then like trying to unite all this
high spiritual stuff with my day to day life. I'm reading these things and
I'm like, wow, this is exactly like a Disney movie, like in
the negative way. You know, all this talk about fantasy and imagination and
dreams, like the fathers say like no no, no, no, no
about all this stuff. And then you look at our pop culture world and
it's all like yes, yes, yes, yes, yes with all of
this stuff. So these are just a couple of notes I took from my
from my studies, I guess you could say. And so okay, just
bear with me here, I'll read them through. And then I was trying
to give this so that your listeners may have some sort of in addition to
our Disney stuff, some Christian ideas to kind of put this into a larger
context, like all the religions and spiritual stuff in the world, you know,
and how it is different. Okay, messages come either from God and
angels or not period. So basically the message is either of the Gospel or
it's quote unquote something else. And basically in a simple, simple way like
if it's not Christ, it's not good. I know that sounds so like
black and white, and so it's like it's okay, made for us,
we could go to movies and have a good time and doesn't affect our religion.
But you know, maybe spiritual seekers that are out there, you're hippie
Shamans or yoga teachers or whatever, like, they don't realize this because all
this stuff is revealed to us that it's through Christ basically, and since we're
made in the icon of God, we have the power to not be affected
by the demon's messages because God's not affected, despite the fact that we are
the battlefield for their war against God, so saying, don't worry about it.
The demons have no power over us unless we cooperate with them willingly.
And again all these films, people are cooperating with the magic forces. Yes,
and they're grooming children to do that exactly, which remember we were talking
about a while ago in our text threat about that show Pauline. They'll bring
on Disney Plus like Satan teenage Lady marching pregnant Satan. Yeah. Yeah,
So basically, just like you said, we're cooperating with those forces. And
so basically this is an important one. Demons care little for secular atheists quote
unquote why because demons care because atheists and people like that care little about God
and so devils don't really care about them. It's like people that are spiritually
testing that demons want to come after because we become easier targets for them,
right if your open spiritual world. So basically this is why even for non
Christians, it's very important to be aware of these things because people that are
seeking for truth, for eternality, for beauty, for goodness, these sorts
of things, they're going to become Wi Fi targets for demon activity. And
hence why I kind of go on this, you know, almost spurgy like
grant about Disney spirituality being dangerous because these characters in these films, they're all
like open receptors for spiritual activity. They all have empty lives, they live
in daydream fantasies. Tiana's a narcissist, as we'll find out, with her
obsession with wanting to get her business and like money and all her greed you
know myself. And basically, when I'm trying to say, is all these
Disney movie characters like from Aladdin, Aerial Bell with her head in the clouds,
It's like they all seem like they are to a degree admirable falling characters.
But you know we're all fallen, right, but in their fallenness I'm
thinking out loud. What I'm trying to say is like there's a certain type
of fallen spirituality that's the day dreamer, seeker, head in the clouds,
imaginative type that is really susceptible to demonic targets because God is present in reality.
God came into history. Our God is not made up. We don't
believe in like a Zeus or sphinxes, or like once it guy quits a
kotal or like things that aren't human. And so basically our God we believed,
really came into history, and therefore God didn't enter into our fantasies or
day dreams or any of our conjectures. That's all the demons playground. And
so basically our concern is Christians is to observe our thoughts, actions, and
attitudes towards others, basically fasting alms, giving in prayer. It's like we
make such boring movies as well, not like we do make boring movies,
but we we're gonna make a movie about the Christian life. Like yeah,
it's all the right choices which is so boring, like right right for a
story art, right, Yeah, it's just all struggling and crying over about
how so sinful. And you know, like like if you see a Man
of God, great film, and there's even one on Joseph the Heavy casts,
Like these are good films. I'm not trying to say they're bad films.
They're not action based with romance and demons. You know. It's just
like dude's trying to the right life and being like prejudiced upon because of it,
you know. So basically be very very very careful with our day dreams,
you know, and like we get aerials, fantasies and the sea Witch
which causes her to lose her voice and her soul. You know, I
got one a little more pigeon notes and then we can move on. Sorry.
In occultism, there's basically no creator God, just energies and forces in
our voodoo world because basically the question otherwise would be why are we tampering with
this stuff? If there really is a god there, it begs the question
of like who is it you are communing with? And when we don't believe
in it, we just believe God's impersonal sort of deal. It makes it
basically easier for us to get what we want. And when there's no creator
and there's no ownership, you basically get forces battling for territory in the spiritual
world, just like in our Haunt advansion, even if the good ghosts versus
the evil ghosts in this dimension, and so basically you get this sort of
feudal system of spiritual like karma CEOs, chain of order commands spiritual beings,
or you get a sort of wide open frontier. We have sort of the
happy go lucky spirit world with like one evil witch who's out to like squash
the whole spiritual worlds m O, you know. And so basically, when
if there's no impersonal forces, this is what you're going to get. You're
your movie films. Your characters will either have psychical abilities, natural gifts,
fortune telling, things like this. They'll either get into wizardry, which is
basically no real gift, it's all learned, or witchcraft, which is basically
not the combo the two sort of your natural abilities plus learning and yeah,
basically, in a word, accultism boils. I'm skipping a bit. Accultism
boils down to God's will. Versus our will. And basically the problem with
accultism is that it's so esthetically appealing. That's how it draws you in.
You know, the Cross is not very appealing in that way. That's why
Christianity is so so offensive to so many people, you know, on that
level, not only but on that level at least. Yeah, it doesn't
have the mystique that right, And even like an art sort of admitted the
interest in Disney aesthetic and the beauty of the parks. You know, you
could walk around or even any great manicured park or like anything that's just aesthetically
beautiful. It's like how many movies is it that, like the Witch dresses
up as some beautiful woman to change yourself over. Even the devil will do
the same thing in films you know that are that one way that you just
gotta watch out for them because they really start playing on your fantasies and your
passions and and so like what I was going to get out with this with
some of my other other drawing for the night. Okay, so when I
was talking about God's will versus our will in the fall, so here we
have our christian So this we have our spirit our body and our psyche which
also means soul. But I put a pie chart is easier to read,
so in the fall and then oh, you can't really see it in here,
but I have a little circle in the middle, and that would be
our will. Our will is our spirit, our body, and our psyche
when it's in union and flowing and doing good. And this little this is
the trinity connecting us to our spirit. And in a way, when we're
in a sort of gnostic system or any sort of broken spirituality, man's cut
off from the truth, from the spirit of truth, the Holy Spirit Christ
and that. And then when you're cut off from that, you go in
this body mind dualism. That's what the dualism thing is such a such a
crucial thing in our culture because and this is what's the kind of mind bogging
thing about Orthodoxy is like we're just so and I can't speak for the Church,
you know, but like from my reading, we're just so hardcore quote
unquote in the sense that like this top spirit up here, this is nothing
other than the Holy Spirit. Like if you're not partaking in the Holy Spirit,
you're going to be in a mind body dualism. Okay, like Christ
restores this fallen split, cut off from the spirit. Christ restored that.
So if you know, we'd say that when you're a Christian and you're baptizing,
you're living the life of the Church. Your spirit, body, soul
are in harmony together, but otherwise you're sad cut off. In dualism.
It's a simple way to put it. What is that trinity with the goblin?
This is our goblin b this is our bizarre trinity. These are the
spirits. These are the spirits that can get into you when you're not living
the real spiritual life. Oh okay, but you know, I mean,
I'm a sinner. Come on, I'm in no position to talk but being
vain, just being on a podcast here. But like my point is is
that bizarre spirit world will enter into us and act as a pseudo spirit and
cut us off from the very theme. Yes, when we are cut off,
see all man is this is the crazy thing. It's like man fallen.
Man is cut off from the spirit, the Holy Spirit. It fills
everywhere and is present in all things, but in many ways. In our
baptism, when we say we're sealed with the Holy Spirit, that's like saying
it can never leave. You're kind of in this more unified, harmonious triangle
versus one outside of the church. Let's just say for you and my purposes,
you know, right. Yeah, So going back to that the second
triangle that tracks the duality. Yeah, and this goes along with your first
drawing too, because I saw a video about the Force by Freddie Prince Junior.
He was on a podcast describing He says, George Lucas told me all
about the Force, and it's a real thing, and it is just like
the Ying Yang, the balance. Okay, so it's not like a good
triumphing over evil, because he says, if you know about the Force,
you'll be able to predict who's going to win every Star Wars movie, because
like one movie, the good guys win, the next movie, the bad
guys win. One movie, the good guys win, the next movie,
the bad guys win. And on the surface is supposed to keep you,
you know, drawing in for cliffhangers. But this is what they're trying to
explain about the Force, Like it doesn't care about good and evil. It's
just trying to keep some kind of balance. Well that's why, like and
look, this was the mind bogging thing about our spiritual world. I'll say,
yeah, that's true, but is that a force you want to really
live with and call your highest good? If your force can have a disturbance
in it, Like our God doesn't have any disturbance in him. There's a
disturbance in the trinity, you know, and so for them to be disturbance
in the force, like just it just begs a lot of spiritual questions that
if that were my God, I'd kind of be like wondering who am I
worshiping at the end of the day, you know, Like don't I want
the thing that I believe in to put all of my confidence and hope and
faith in to be a little more personal, relatable, loving, knowing that
it will always be good, knowing that like maybe at the end when I
die, I'm not just going to be like cosmic space dust, you know.
But yeah, recycled into a worm or a cow or whatever. Ford
helped me. So anyway, that's my that's my long little rant on occultism
and magic and you know, just some bullet notes. So when we walk
about these movies, I'm I'm trying to see it through this lens of like
in a word impersonal forces. Got to be careful with that in your will.
Yeah, so this is what she's doing in the very beginning, hold
up your your two magicians or your Yeah. So, in the beginning of
Princess and the Frog, Tiana is praying to the star or the force or
the magic whatever. She's wishing on the star instead of praying to the father.
And also, you know, the star could be Venus. They say
it's the evening Star, and Venus is the Lucifer. So right off the
bat, I say that she's already just praying to Lucifer, right, and
that's not very far of a leap either. They don't say exactly what the
star is, but you know, if it's play Penus, if it's serious,
well later you could you could almost say, for like the sake of
like again, I'm just putting on my sort of pseudo esoteric dacoder ring hat,
you can say, if we're looking at this film all as one hole,
we do get a star later on in the movie that is named in
reference that's sort of the magic goddess star Evangeline. So maybe you could even
go as far as a stretch that say Tiana is worst, you know,
wishing on that star. Okay, good point, and then I have a
remark about that when we get there. Okay, me too, Okay,
good, all right, So I'm straight off wishing our stars to praying,
and then they talk about voodoo, magic, good and bad. The bow
Court or doctor Facilier is his name means easy, easy, effortless. That's
what fast steal means in Latin root. He says that you can use this
for good or ba. So there there's your magician again, your checker work
four right. He also says, fun fact about voodoo, you can't conjure
anything. I can't conjure anything for myself. The real magic is money.
And I just laughed because dude, funny. At the end of the day,
folks, camera two, Disney Disney magic is Disney dollars exactly. Oh,
like yeah, he doesn't make the point because the John Goodman, the
big Daddy character, he is the real power of the movie. You know,
it's interesting and he's a good guy. Due too many apologetics here,
but he's he's not a bad character. He's Nana has actual power and influence,
wealth, and he doesn't get in too much trouble in the movie.
Well, I kind of appreciated how they didn't make the little rich girl to
be a snob or a brat or you know, shoots very kind and empathetic.
That was nice, yeah, because they do have a class distinction in
this movie. You know, the mom works for the rich white man and
then they have to take the train to the ghetto and they're saying, you
know, it's good to have family, even if you don't have a lot
of money. They had a lot of friends and sharing. So that was
that was nice. I found in this film with my second chart, my
little bizarro trinity I'll give I want to give, you know, because I
was thinking about I was like, what good can we find in these Disney
movies, Jamie. There's gotta be something right, like I think a lot
of it. It's gonna be whitewashed, or you won't take the pill like
you ever trying to give a cat. It's medication. You have to put
it in cheese exactly exactly. So you know, saying I almost want to
play a good cop on Princess and the Frog because there I found there to
be Disney at its best and why I like this one maybe versus the other
movies that we that we're doing. Is that how this one's kind of tied
to Walt Disney. It's like they were really wanted to kind of like make
this one like the old films, right why they're appealing doing the two D
and all that. So I was curious watching this one because I'm like,
Okay, this one's gonna maybe be a little more on the nose of being
having good values in it than a lot of the other movies maybe. And
I felt a lot of like I basically made my little list of like christ
Christian themes on one side and then bizarro Christian themes on the other where there's
like all these like you're just saying about the cap fill. It's a great
metaphor. There's like so many Christian themes in these Disney films that are like
they're but kind of filtered through this bizarro not quite where you could then read
them as what I like to say, pre incarnational. Yeah, they're getting
there. It's kind of the right spirit, but there's no Christ or you
could be like, yeah, they're kind of doing it. It's kind of
right, but it's so off the mark by just enough that it's kind of
demonic and crazy when you really start to thinking about perfect syop really amen.
Yeah, Okay, so the rich girl calls her dad big Daddy, which
I thought is weird. Yeah, no comment, Maybe the Internet has ruined
my brain. But yeah. And then you have Prince Navine of Maldonia who
has lost his fortune, so fallen patriarchy right, yea, And she's an
independent, career minded woman. She doesn't have time for friends or love.
Yeah. So they're a big thing to kind of do the esoteric dacoder ring
is they symbol they're both greedy and lazy because on some level off to find
my Yeah. The princes cut off from his parents money and knows that he
knows nothing about anything based Tiana is in a way, she's inverted where she
knows nothing about love or family because she's cut off from from her father god
figure. And in a way she they're both cut off from love due to
their passions, him from being lazy and not working, her from being overworking
and having no time to let her hair down and dance. Kind of do
much ambition, Yes, exactly, her ambition and her attachment to the past
too. I'll do this for you, daddy, It's gonna I'm gonna make
my dad happy, you know. It's like yeah, yeah, kind of
that Christian idea of serving the Father, pleasing our father in heaven and serving
God, but in the sense it's literally like, no, my dad would
want this, you know. It's like, I don't know, one of
those things where like where Christ says, you know, you must love me
more than you love your family, and it's like the way that Mary Magdalen
Son and Martha or Mary I don't know, forgive me. I don't know
if it's Magdalen, Mary and Son and Martha gives all her time to Jesus,
where Martha's like, Dad, you're supposed to be helping me out in
the in the pitching all this stuff, and Mary's like, no, no,
it's really about worshiping God. Yeah. Way, like when we're just
attached to our family legacy like so much this movie, as she seeks legacy
over love, okay in a way, yeah, because she basically kisses the
frog for money, right, yeah. Yeah, he offers her money to
start think. She's like, oh, okay, I guess, yeah,
I guess I'll give up. I'll guess I'll do that magic. But I
don't know. I'm getting into right for the same my money. Yeah,
that's why I said earlier she was a narcissist. Yeah, so she has
a one track mine. The Prince is just kind of not mature, uh,
not stable like a man his age should be. By that time,
he's broken, has to marry rich or get a job. And he runs
into the voodoo doctor, the Baron Samity character, the doctor Facilier, who
does a terrible reading on him and traps his soul or he calls it trans
more trans mortification, which is like turning into an animal, right right,
And he does it with his blood, so he gets the blood of the
prince. Prince m okay, oh, I was just gonna say. And
he does this all through basically conversing with his voiceless, wordless spirits getting back
our prayer. Prayer is so simple. We offer words, simple things like
our prayer, beads, prostrations, our voice, and I guess i'm i'm
I'm trying not to make too long in a statement, but just by saying
making almost compare and contrast between using your words and your speech and a God
who is word, Christ is the word, and our emphasis on words and
speaking, and then in this spirit world. You're just kind of like,
I don't even know if these things are. They don't have voices. They're
just weird scary shadows that are faceless, nameless, voiceless, wordless. And
then when he runs out of voodoo juice, he has to go back to
them to keep jumping the antie. You know, Yeah, did you find
the tarot scenes and the voodoo scenes to be a little creepy or I mean,
yes, I Confessor's a part of me that like aesthetically, I admit
it's like, oh, these are good colors. I thought the colors are
really good in that scene, and I like the two D animation. But
yeah, it was pretty pretty scary. I don't think i'd want my kids
watching tarot card cartoons and like voodoo gods. Well, I'm I'm teasing a
bit, but I had call it divine providence or I don't know what.
Also Lord of Mercy. But I saw a couple of minutes of Monsters Inc.
With a little my friend's kid who was there, and he saw some
of it and he had like never seen it before. Thinking about that when
we were watching it, I was like, why are we watching this movie?
This? Like but he's a kid, like grewp on monsters and they
do like monsters in the house and all this stuff. So it was just
like, I don't know, it was just crazy watching them with a really
small kid. I was like, these things are like they're because I was
thinking about it, like figure out all their beautiful young children in church,
and like they all kiss the saints icons and and all of our icons.
It's like they're also human focused, right, ion of like animal theomorphic gods,
you know, and somebody could do the whole like what about Saint Christopher
dogheaded or whatever, you know, and I know that's the thing, but
like, by and large were like human focused, and so I don't know,
just it's kind of mind bogging when you're hanging out with really little kids
and you see them around ghoulie ghouls and like how much they gravitate to them.
It's kind of crazy. I know. I watched the live action Lion
King with a kid, and I was kind of like, am I culpable
for like hurting this person? Because it was, yeah, so how do
I put this h O M O E R O T. I C sure
latently like Timon and Pumba are a couple. Huh and I I know the
kids not getting it, but it's getting in there all right. That two
boy animals are married. It's like, what does that even mean? They're
animals? Yo? Come on, That's like how I felt when I was
when we were watching Monsters, Inc. But this kid in the funny part
is this he was more interested in iPad anything else. Like for us,
you put a TV on and we're like glued to it from our generation right
today, It's like TV doesn't even affect them in the series, yes,
way more interesting. You know the cathode Ray who has no power over exactly
exactly exactly. Okay, so we've got tarot cards, voodoo gods, transmortification,
all the things that kids need to know about. Bok or male voodoo
doctor is called the shadow Man and he turns the Prince into a frog.
And then when Tiana tries to kiss the frog, she turns into a frog.
Why do you think that is? You know? I would have to
give that some more thought, to be honest with you. But when I
watched this film about maybe a year or two ago, when I was doing
like my Union Disney thing, probably about two years ago, the only thing
that came to me, is like in this whole world of this side of
symbolism, let's say, the esoteric dacoder Ring world. Usually like when the
hero goes into the other other world, the underworld, they often have to
put on like animal clothing, like devolve or there's that transformation to sort of
be This is Tiana's catabasis exactly, exactly okay, and in a way too,
it's interesting because, like we were saying a couple minutes ago about them
being phonies. Both he thinks she's a princess and he thinks she's well,
he thinks she's a princess, she thinks he's wealthy. Both our lives to
one another. So in the way you could say that it's the dishonesty between
them both that causes them to go below human level. Like what I found
again about this film that's interesting that you could say is pro good and also
precarious, is that, like there's some prayers we say, it's like forgive
me, I've sinned today, not only worse than a man, but even
worse than a beast. It's involuntary, but like the idea that like even
animals don't sin in the way that they are given a certain nature, and
they may not have that sort of spirit trinity that we have been made in
thee of God, but they have a harmonious body soul as much as we
want to say body soul spirit thing going on with them. So when we
mess up and we fall outside of our nature, we're like worse than animals,
you know. And so in a way, I just think that even
to illustrate her devolving into a frog is kind of showing that she's means obviously
she's gone below her nature by becoming an animal. Frogs are really interesting because
they're almost like human like, right, like their their fingers and their sort
of way that, yeah, they have like sort of almost like those that
Warner Brothers frog. He's like the dancing singing one. They kind of like
anthropomorphic on their own already, And we like dissect them in school to kind
of understand how to dissect humans later or something. That was a joke,
but yeah, yeah, doctor Quick and Easy, dirty magician. Well,
I thought it was interesting that the shadow Man cast a spell and they have
to go to Mama Odi, the voodoo queen of the Bayou, for help.
So he's like, yeah, so they're appealing to the same system of
magic that put them in that position in the first place. Exactly. So
white magic, black magic both involved will negatively and and uh yeah, based
on other notes it brings up now. But basically I was just saying,
there's three degrees of magic, healing, relieving of curses, and making ambulance.
Both of those are that are in this movie. But yeah, they
still involve in forcing our will upon the supernatural, where prayer is basically letting
the supernatural god God's will be done through our own participation in cooperation. Where
these are just like they're just again greedy, please please please, I'll give
you whatever needs to be done to make the transaction happen. In that way,
it's not like a real relationship. It's like a dare I say,
our APIs very much in a way, it's like you give me what I
want on you to night now, by midnight or else. Yeah, not
a real relationship with Mama Odie. Did you notice Mama Odie was one hundred
and ninety seven years old. No, she looked good for ages. Yeah,
she said, Mama, So you've got your left hand path and your
right hand path with a shapman and Mama Odi. And then, like you
said before, they make the point that the real power in the world isn't
magic, it's money. Yeah right. And again this whole movie, she's
she's very clear, I need money from my restaurant, you know. And
I thought this was interesting. Hard work would not have been enough for her,
So the whole thing was about her saving and working hard and putting the
down payment on her thing. But then she finds out that she doesn't have
enough money, and that's how she gets into the kissing the frog and everything.
But the moral of the story is she couldn't have done it on her
own with just hard work and ambition and pulling her bootstraps up. She had
to appeal to magic and fate to get what she wanted. Well, right,
this is one of those things that's like I almost imagine that, like
I'm trying to be in a like I'm almost in first century Greece, and
what you just said was like the religion of the people there, and I'm
here trying to be a Christian telling them how that that is very much like
what we do, but not yeah right, It's like that's exactly basically does
prayer and calling upon God for help and knowing that her will and just like
that, like exactly he said her will, all her hard work, her
works aren't really enough in the end to get her there. Odd loves us
so much he doesn't need our works or any of that to be continually loving
towards us and to bestow gifts upon us. You know, there are Christian
life and so it's just one of these funny like guys, you're so close
to like believing what we believe, but by not making that step, you
get this all other crazy complications going on, turning into frogs, voodoo,
witch, magic ry and all these things that could just be avoided if you
were just to forgive me a good Christian Yeah. Girls, Yeah, and
you don't have to summon demons to help you like a shadow man did.
That was pretty scary. So he summons up all of these shadow demons that
go after the frogs, and that would give me nine ers if I was
a little kid, I feel like, yeah, and Mama Odie should.
But see that it shows you that if you have a good witch on your
side, you can conquer shadow demons. You can also be the kind of
like the dude from Big Lebowski and be a fool for magic, you know,
a fool for the Force instead of a fool for Christ or find a
good pun for them. And then we find out that the Shadow Man owes
a debt to the voodoo gods and that's why he had to fool the prints.
And so this is very Faustian, right, and it's also foreshadowing of
the next movie We're going to talk about the Devil in Max Dublin because he
owes a debt to the underworld. Also, well, that's also very much
like addiction, which this is my little pivot here and too side note footnote
to Aladdin. Aladdin's all about addiction too, because these whole situations where anybody
is going offering where they run out of their voodoo juice or their spell their
wishes and they need to turn to the other side quote unquote, they don't
have to up the ante and that's just like an addict, you know,
needs to gets fixed, keep upping it and upping it and upping it.
When they run out, they got to go back and get more. And
so no, don't gonna be wrong. Disney's not purporting like good be a
good addict behavior kind of deal. But they're definitely showing that these when one,
hey, maybe in a good way, they're saying that when one gets
involved in this voodoo world occultism, you're going to be dealing with addict addiction
behavior essentially dating these addictions to get more spirit addiction. Especially if you think
getting back to Freddie Prince's Force the Force school, that's who the fool for
Christ will be in this school. Yeah, but when you believe that there's
a dualism good and bad or even it's neutral, it's just about where you
put your will in the force, it's just so much work, man,
because then you have to like figure out which side you're on and how to
please and do the right things, and where is the actual boundary and where's
the line? And is it okay to actually have sex with this person or
not? And I don't know, and should I go out and do this
thing? I don't know? Or it's like I mean, I confess it.
Like as being the hero of your own story. Magic is exciting because
it sends you on an adventure in a quest and a mystery, man,
Like, it can't really get you into trouble. Like, let's put it
this way, let me a becoming a Christian, you know. Yeah,
and it's not gonna be there for you when you need help, real,
actual help in the real world. All of your magic books is nothing.
Well, not only that, if you're in your magic system, you know,
to be silly, your slack magic, and no one else knows you're
decoding language and you're like in a fire in a room, burning and trying
to say, help me, help me, help me. Nobody will be
like, I don't know how to get into the building, Like, yeah,
you're on like the twelfth floor, and throw me down the card,
you know, and you're like, I don't have it. It's all thumb
print, id right, no one can get in this burning house, met
me. So what did you think about when the firefly died and went up
and became a star? Yeah? Okay, so the star, you know,
I I'll say, I'll say, what are your thoughts on that?
I didn't think much about that. That's specifically well, I mean it's kind
of flimic. Every man and woman is a star. We covered the star
Lucifer in the beginning. It became a binary star, right, Yeah,
I thought that was a little go ahead. In magic, a binary star
usually is a symbol of serious and what is the Salimic? What is that
term, Oh, Falimic, that's Alstraculi's system of magic called Falima, which
is the Greek world, right, Alista Crumb, Yes, Alistair Crumb,
Yeah, Crump, Yeah, yeah, Crump. I thought the only thing
I thought, the only note on the firefly was that basically he's kind of
like the underworld guide that leads them to the divine feminine, you know,
the fairy godmother, which is just kind of like a typical trope in this
sort of like underworld journey sort of stuff. The only thing that was my
only comment on all that was the star's name is Evangeline. Yeah, and
in Greek eve evan gelion. That is the gospel evangelical, and so yeah,
I just thought it is you know again, I'm reaching, I'm just
doing hashing out the word and maybe sticking at the middle of the movie if
there's anything that makes sense of it, sure, and if not, whatever,
But yeah, it's funny because the evangelion back in the day the Roman
Empire, that the evangelion would be like a message that the Romans would send
when they come into your territory and they're coming to set up shop in your
house, Like, here's the good news, Jamie. This is now everything's
going to happen to you. Under the Roman Empire, and that was called
the good news. So Christians used the good news, and they use that
same word and like inverted it and flipped it on their head. The version
it's like, oh you all know the good news. Now, this is
the good news. Jesus Christ dead, crucified, resurrected, you know.
So I just thought it was an interesting way that even the word it's like
these things like you're saying earlier about the hromo animals. The kid doesn't notice
that, but it gets in there. Nonetheless, it's the same thing with
little things like this, like the word evangelical, the gospel being used as
a night star like sort of feminine in my in my opinion, feminine,
sort of lunar goddess, you know, just basically pagan astrological associations, kind
of subtle ways that these words will influence us, you know, saying it's
important to know that they're saying the gospel in this film is the as you're
saying, the binary star venus there are serious would be the binary star,
Yes, yes, yeah, well the Venus is the evening star, who
are also saying might be the same one as this, you know, saying,
when we're doing our pattern recognition, it's not that far of a leap
at all. The divine, feminine goddess star is the one you turn to,
you know, yeah, because serious is associated with isis So anyway,
that was all I had for Princess and the frog. Yeah. My only
notes on this really is that there are a lot of sort of Christian yet
I call bizarro Christian moments like ycause we're moving along, let's do it quickly
on the sort of one and then the other work work, work for your
salvation. Good, but working for legacy, not for love of the Lord.
For salvation and proper not so good. Almost there. That song,
it's about faith and hope. It's about faith, oneself, m food brings
people together. Her father says, comes a lot like eucharous to me,
but she doesn't believe in wishing on stars. And then later she says,
serves me right for wishing on a star after she goes their whole transformation.
So even there they're kind of showing this ambiguity of wishing on stars. Yeah,
which is a kind of pro Christian, is what I'm trying to say,
Like she really gets in trouble from wishing on her star. Do your
best every day and good things are good to come your way as one of
the songs. And then I put ever heard of joke that guy did his
best every day, you know, and good things didn't quite come to his
way in the sense that right, you know, obviously in the end they
did. Yeah, And then we got of course good versus evil magic,
and then we mentioned that and then find out who you are, digg a
little you know, find out who you are deep inside. Find the image
of God is played in that song, dig a little deeper, you know.
I'm just trying to say. It's like when you go in and dig
in and go in, turn on and dig inside yourself, like you just
might come out of your own butthole at the end. He's gotta be careful
digging deep, you know, don't drill down too far, right, Yeah,
go on, But yeah, that's that's this movie, kids, careful
with voodoo, close themes of Christian ideals, but not quiet. I just
drankkyant pepper. Sorry, Oh you haven't liked that honey cayenne lemon drink.
It was the last step at the bottom minute. It was really spicy.
Now my eyes are watering. Okay, let's talk about the devil and Max
Devlin. This was really weird. It was. It was sort of a
Christmas Carol story, a Scrooge if you will, Yeah, he has to
learn to love story. What year for our audience here in nineteen seventy eight,
seventy nine, okay, okay, which is the year that Jamie got
here into the world. Mhm. So you've got Elliott Gould slum lord,
yeah, property manager than smoker, chain smoker, unscrupulous, deceptive because in
the beginning, all of the tenants are like asking him for things and he's
like sorry, the owner says no, and you can find out he's the
owner. He's just playing the manager. Yeah, you don't have to fix
anything, right. Yeah, he's definitely one of those I'll say what I
want when I want, you know, honest. At least you can respect
me for being honest, you know. Yeah, so he's a krumbumb he
gets hit by a bus full of Harry Krishna's yeah, okay, like,
okay, so neither of us knew what this movie was. We just sort
of saw the title and we were like, oh, yeah, I should
check this out. I mean The Devil. Yeah, we were going to
watch that. I was like kind of blown away the first twenty minutes when
they're just setting everything up in this movie. I was like, whoa,
there's like, don't miss this one, folks. There's some stuff going on
here, you know, Harry Christmas. There was just so this is one
of these movies. I was like, what would Walt do? This is
like for me kind of movie, Like would he really approve this one?
Like where he's like falling down into Hell. It's like so scary. It
was scary, and the imagery was kind of like Horonymous Bosh a little bit
or Dante's Inferno. Oh yeah, so he gets hit by the bus.
The Harry Christians come out of the bus and they're doing their Harry Christna thing.
And if you've ever been around Harry Christians, it's so funny because they're
like the sweetest people but so annoying. Yeah. I not quite Harry Krishnos,
but I never I just want to be clear, I only went as
a visitor because I know online and on a lot of contexts for this,
but I also said I did my time, but I did my time as
a visitor to Tibetan Buddhist monastery place like right right here in the Redwoods.
I knew it's just kind of weird because like again, everybody's really nice,
and this was years and years ago, but just felt so phony, Like
there's just this way that like I don't know, people just all wanted to
become having apollo the Nepalese sounding names, and like they all were going to
learn what's the language. I guess it would be, No, maybe it's
like they're specific one whatever it is, they're like learning all the language,
like just all these like you know, good old, good old American boys
and girls that were like just shaving their head and getting all weird. And
I was just I do this just like and the way they're just so hush
hush and reverent around there, like masters as they call them, like super
weird. Like not to mention these giant statues. Sorry, I'm just like
having flashbacks now. It always is interesting to me what kind of people these
culture in and Harry Christians is very docile nik dissociative. There were there any
famous stories with the Harry Christnas like kind of how and the more less codified
ones get like the kind of oshows and you get the whole that like the
compounds with the like that one in the organ or Washington, Like is there
anything like that? The hardy Christnas that were like notably crazy Jake Jonestown style,
not that I know of. And the only times I would come across
at the Rainbow Gathering when they cross pass with hippies and they just sing all
the time, and they will sing from sun up to sundown and pat like
wait into the night, just Harry Krishna, Harry Christna, Harry Krishna,
like please shut up. They will take tunes, you will know all of
the tunes, but the words will be replaced by Harry Krishna. Yeah,
it's like that Georgia Harrison some Beatles is all in the Harry Krishna Hinduism stuff.
Yeah. So that's just a little point in the movie. Like the
bus that hit him was the Harry Krishna's bus, so he gets to hell
time. They're trying to be so topical, right, Like why would they
do that in nineteen eighty I don't know. Was it just for a wackiness
component, Yeah, the equivalent today, no, like a cult boy scouts.
Yeah. So he gets to Hell and he's welcomed by Bill Cosby,
right, who's a total innocent guy who never did anything bad whatsoever. Yeah,
that part was super weird because he's saying how he wants quote unquote three
fresh, unsullied innocent stalls. Well. Yeah, so Bill Cosby tells La
Gould that you deserve level four and he does the whole normy thing like I'm
a good person, Like I never did anything super bad. I was just
as bad as like the next person. So it's your you know, typical
excuse, make an excuse with excuses in sin. Well, and I was
going to ask you this would probably be a good place to describe the Orthodox
view of hell and the afterlife because it's very cool. So I did a
lot of notes in the weeks prior thinking of wanting to talk about this,
But honestly, I have very little humility. But here I'm gonna just say,
folks, go talk to your precy look up stuff about after because it's
it's complex. Yeah, It's like I'm man simple and yet it's complex,
Like because I don't want to just be another dude online. He's talking about
what orthodoxy is to the world when I have so much to learn on my
own. Sorry, l after death it's probably Sarah from Rose and honestly anything
you could find about afterlife and Hell. I mean, I guess I'd only
say, at the very least trying to think about his saying in context for
this movie. I don't think it's orthodox. Let's just put it that way.
Here's how I can forgive me. I don't have a lot to go
there on that. But but to your one point, I was gonna say,
I'm sorry, go and I could leave it. I could leave it.
Go ahead. Well, I was just gonna say, you can.
Here's how I understood as it was explained to me. And please forgive me
if I'm wrong, or correct me if I get it wrong. But the
hell fire is the uncreated energies of God. Oh okay, I could say
this much. Yeah, So Heaven and hell are the same exact thing.
They're the experience of God's love. Yes, one is choosing to face it
and accept it and the other. It's kind of like, let's say,
I'll make myself a really bad example here. If folks can laugh at home.
Let's say I have a crush on a girl or she's my girlfriend or
whatever, somebody I'm in a relationship with and I constantly am calling her all
the time and she doesn't want to answer my calls. Oh, Paul,
he's so annoying. He won't stop calling me, you know. Blah blah
bla blah blah. That's like being in hell for us, though I shouldn't
inquate myself to God. It's like God keeps calling you and he's like,
Jamie, I love you, Jamie, I want to get a hold of
you. Paul, I love you. I want to get a hold of
you, and You're like, no, no, no, no, don't
stop. I'll just text you later when I'm not so busy or yeah.
And so hell is the same experience of heaven, but just the rejection of
God's love. Yes, So in essence, I've we're all going to the
same place, but we experience it differently, Yes, depending on your relationship
with God. The thing that the thing that I don't feel comfortable saying,
and I hope maybe somebody super smart in the comments can help me out.
I'm a dummy. But it's like, because we have sort of two judgments
in the Orthodoxy, our initial one when we die, and then the final
judgment. And I know that we don't believe in purgatory, but in my
own like headcan and I just start getting confused when I start thinking about,
like, so, wait, what is the state of a soul right now?
Are they in heaven? And if they are in heaven, then there's
the next judgment? What comes after that? The second new creation, in
which case will people leave heaven and then we enter in the new creation because
we say that Earth will be recreated. Like this is I'm totally showing how
dumb I am and I need more Catechism, But yeah, I get a
little confused honestly when start contemplating the afterlife. That's why I tried to just
work on my repentance in this life, you know. Yeah, And some
people will get mad at you, like you think I'm going to Hell,
and I'm like, no, I don't think anyone is technically going to a
place that is just fire. It's the way I understand it in my dumb
mind is like we're all going to the same concert, but if you hate
the person that's playing the music, then you're going to hate it there.
But if you love them, then you're gonna enjoy it, right, So
if you're swifty, you'll love it. They're just kidding. Yeah, So
he's in how they tell him he's going to love before unless he can find
three souls to take his place. And he tries to bargain like, oh,
yeah, I know three bad people. I can get them for you,
and they're like no, no, no, no, we're going to
get those people anyway. We want three people that wouldn't be here if not
for you. So they send him back to Earth. Misties into what I
was kind of saying earlier about the danger of Disney Magic is that when people
are open, like the devil doesn't care about those dirty people that he was
trying to offer them, right because he's like, I'm not already doing our
bidding. We don't care about that. That's fine. Let the second atheists
just do their own thing. We don't care about them. Sorry I'm picking
on I'm picking on them. But but these Disney folks that are into following
their dreams and daydreaming and their super innocent youth that just want a happy life
and they're tormented in their step family home, go after them. You know,
that's kind of what he's saying. So I started saying, these demons
will pray on us in the innocuous ways. They don't care about the ones
that are just doing like the obvious Grammy Satanism type of deal. Right,
And you're they tell you when you join the church as a Catechuman, like,
they're like, you're never going to have as much demonic opposition as right
now in your life because you're on this threshold of like making this big decision,
so that they are out to not let that happen. M So,
if there's any Catechists, Catechists, there, any Catechumans out there, ask
your priests for Catechism prayers right now because there's an exorcism. And then as
well, Yeah, so he's got to get three innocent souls, including children,
Like this is dark, right, Yeah, gotta get kids to sign
their soul to the devil. I say, what would won't make about this
movie? You know, like another guy got his things, but I feel
like this one is a little little dark Disney for us here. Yeah,
that's why I want to do Black Holder into sometime. Uh huh. So
Elliott Gould goes back to Earth, and the first victim he finds is like
this singer girl, this young musician named Stilla. Okay, going back just
a bit, remember the way he finds her, the way he uses his
powers. He's like, doesn't oh yeah, yeah, King Chong eye thing,
and he's like, I didn't know if that was a joker. It
was like, I see, I'm just like, what's going on? It
was really goofy, like sometimes he could teleport and sometimes he couldn't. I
didn't understand the dynamics of that. But so he finds Stella, a young
musician who wants to be a singer, and she's kind of like baby Barber
streisand is what I wrote down, dude, Yes, I wrote that same
thing more or less. Yeah, I guess in real life that was kind
of this woman's thing. I think her name was truly oh she I can't
remember her name, but I looked up her wiki and they are kind of
calling her the next streisand but oh well, she looked like her, she
act like her, she sounds like her. Like the lyrics of her song
was It's time to Believe in Me, like yeah, yeah, yeah,
I love myself kind of stuff, which fun fact, I do not mind
Barber streisand I think she's a great singer and I think her movies are really
good. So seconded, Yeah, number two was Nelson the Nerd. Yeah
the nerd mode ever kept calling him nerd. That was like his default pile.
It's funny watching this in time capsule mode, where like to be a
nerd that would be like, oh, I don't know, calling someone I
don't even know the equivalent would be in this day and age. But it's
like, who's the person these days that you're allowed to make fun of?
Oh, white guy, You're just white guy. It's like, it's okay,
permissible to make fun of this person. And yeah, that's kind of
what the nerd was back in the day. That's like Revenge of the Nerds
time too. And I think it's funny what he wants to do to me
more manly, like motor cross. That's such a eighties like gen X thing
is so funny. I know I thought about that too. I was like,
why motocross like whatever? Random? This must have been really cool at
the time kind of deal. Okay, So Elliott Gould has to get this
little singer to sign her soul to the Devil Nelson the Nerd by Motocross,
and number three is a little boy named Toby who just wants a dad,
like in Home ex Mansion. Yeah, it's funny these movies we'd picked,
they seem to have these interesting uh nost winks. As Hannon Manson said,
interface overlaps these movies across the decades that seem to have these like themes were
finding between them. I believe Carl Young will call it synchronicity. I believe
you're right, right, or some sort of archetypal conjunc deo. Yes,
So Uncle Max or Elliott Gould his name is Max, is like creeping on
this little boy at the carnival, Yeah, making him a target to sell
his soul to the freaking devil. And he has to mac on his mom
to get to the boy. Right, So now his mom is go ahead.
Well, I'm just gonna say, now he's wrapped up four people in
this whole uh scheme of him trying to get out of hell and going to
the lengths of marrying this lady so he can get her son to sign his
soul to the devil so he'd be his dad, right, But then there's
a sense of like, but if he signs the kid's soul and the kid
goes to Hell, and then now he just has a lady for himself and
he's out of hell free card. Right. Well, the devil tricked him
and he was like, the people won't come to Hell until the natural end
of their life. And he thinks that yeah, yeah, and so he
starts to back on the mom by helping her with her daycare. And why
does he always like have shaving cuts. I don't know, the guy can't
shave. It's like they had this show because one of these funny ways they're
like trying to do character development, but they just didn't. It's kind of
like, oh, supposed to get the sense that he never has time.
He's always rushing around. But I just saw as an audience member, I
was like, did he just cut himself shaving today? And they like decide
to film anyways, like I know, like every scene. Okay, total
side note if you're seeing which is of Eastwick? No really? Oh you
probably like it bad Midler? No, it's uh Michelle Phifer share Jack Nicholson
Okay, and another one I'm forgetting. Anyways, there's literally a scene where
Michelle phifer. Like in one scene in the movie, she has like a
cold sword and you're just like, what is going on in this and anyway
is it? They thought it's like witch magic, but it's just a cold
sword. Okay they filled that so sorry. But he's not very good at
shaving, but he keep did you think it was creepy? The way he
shows up at her house was like that all the play place stuff all set
up for the kids, and he's like, I thought you would like that
if I just you know, broke into your yard and set this whole place
up with like playground toys. Yes, I just thought it was funny,
Like maybe this could fly in the eighties, but this would never go down
today, Like calling her up the same day, I'm madly in love with
you, and she kind of like, okay, today that would be like,
sir, you are crazy and I'm getting a restraining order. Yeah,
totally. Yeah. The way they macked on each other, it was total
restraining order twenty twenty three. Yeah, So he's starting to turn, you
know, his heart is starting to be invested in the children and his clients,
which is the nerd motor cross boy and the singer girl. So what
it is is like his satanic power is what gives them talent, right right,
so he can get them to sign his contract. This is for some
reason I'm just thinking right away with like, keep talking about a Little Mermaid
tonight, But it's the same deal with a Little Mermaid, same deal with
trying to think of some other Disney classics. Well, in a weird way,
Dumbo even getting his little feather gets him to fly at the end,
and getting his magic lamp gets him his wishes. Hercules, I think,
doesn't Hercules do some soul selling too? No, no, no, Meg
sells her that's right, though, see Meg does at some point. Then
Disney soul selling is nothing new, and we're skipping over so many other movies.
I'm sure. If it's not selling your soul directly, it's an exchange
of something of the heroes willingly or unwillingly by the villain that then caused him
to get this magical contest. Like Sleeping Beauty too, right, she doesn't
willfully sell her soul, but by pricking giving her blood to the witches sewing
spinning wheel, she thereby gets in that faustine bargain you know exactly. I've
just had that in my notes, it's Faustine exactly, and just like Robert
Johnson's story at the Crossroads. Yeah, and there's an excellent documentary called They
Sold Their Souls for rock and Roll. It's Protestant in the nineties, so
it's a little goofy, but it's got several several parts and it like they
will prove to you that in rock and roll you do sell your soul to
the devil. I don't get it, man, I mean it's like these
things are on the most subtle, like art kind of thing with Disney is
it, Like, look, it doesn't have to be luciferret New World Lord
of stuff. Even on the smallest innocuous level, these themes are real.
And I'll totally agree, like rock and roll is totally demotic, like find
out there and be like really, dude. But but yeah, I don't
know, just like the emotions and things that it can elicit and arouse.
I'll speak for myself, you know, especially as I'm converted become a Christian.
I look at my old life, I'm like, man, like I'm
so sensitive to energies and like sound is such a powerful music is such a
powerful force that, Yeah, music can really really mess with your mind.
And come back to voodoo and rock and roll. It the different drum beats
signal the arrival of different gods. So you play you know, leg buzz
beat or ocean or whoever on the drums to get them to come. And
so this is infused into rock and roll and the drums, and it's all
imagine two. You're like some ancient tribal person and like, you know,
you hear these drums on the horizon like some other arn't like civilization's coming to
come kill you. You know, it's like drums are scary, like the
middle of nature and it's all common, peaceful, and you start hearing like
you'd be like, what is that like? Especially at the rhythmic consistency,
You're like, I don't think that's a grasshopper anymore. You know. It's
like music has this powerful effect well, and it can change the rhythms of
your heartbeat. And I have heard there's no way to prove this, but
the when they would do sacrifices to molock in the old old old time times,
they would use drums to cover up this crying of mothers and children.
Oh yikes. You know, the music thing. It's like, I confess,
I think so much of my Disney dives began from the music because as
a musician, and somebody can again you talk brab Streisan, I like musical
theater, I like opera, I like good I like good music, and
you hear the music of these Disney films and it's like top level Broadway composition
of stuff that years and years and years and years. You know. Lion
King is like Hans Zimmer, does not miss with soundtracks. Most Disney movies
have a excellent soundtrack. Oh yeah, and I'm going to refrain from that
comic because I would it's half bigged. But let's say, yeah, I'll
skip. But moving on. Okay. So Max is the source of the
special abilities and it doesn't work for them if he's not around. So he
always has to be around for the barber Straisen girl to sing. He always
has to be around for the nerd motocross guy to win his races. He
it doesn't really say the boy doesn't have a special gift that he just wanted.
Yeah, they don't really explain. Some of those movies were kind of
all fall short with the boy is he just wants a dad? So then
there about like the whole innocent child is kind of still at the end of
the day, the kind of Christ's figure that saves Again, I'm kind of
doing this gnostic Dacoda ring Christian thing because the thing about the boy doesn't want
anything. He's pure heart. He just wants his God, he wants his
father. But he is street smart because do you remember that part where they're
trying to strike a deal and he's like, I'll give you my toys if
you be my dad, and they're like in the max is like okay,
and then the little boys like, but you gotta marry my mom first.
And then the Devil's helper, Bill Cosby's like, oh, I like this
kid, like we could use him. He's smart. So yeah, yeah,
did you see the part where the girl Stella the barber shows and girls,
she wins a Grammy and she only thinks herself right, Yeah, that's
interesting, And the Bill Cosby devil helper comes and says, we like them
to act like monsters. M I thought you're it's funny. I was hoping
you're gonna say that. I don't have much to say other than throwing a
little thread. The whole like Lady Gaga and her monster children fans like,
it's kind of interesting than like monster and turning it into a good thing,
which again monsters get to that next. So for reference, like the Bill
Cosby's like the devil on his shoulder that only he can see and his pops
up periodically like where's my souls? You know? Give me? And did
you notice the way Bill the way Cosby played in this movie, He's played
very straight like monotone. He was like scary, Like I didn't watch a
lot, I mean, watch a Little Cosby show growing up, so like
I kind of know his character, but I watched this and I was like,
oh, this was like a departure of he's playing against type here in
this movie, but he's also kind of playing or not you know, right,
He's playing a really creepy sader devil. I mean at the you know,
last act of the movie when Max Devlin had him and how it's creepy,
and then I was like, why is he racing in his car if
he can teleport places? Yeah, there's not a lot of continuity in this
movie. Yeah, that was for plot dynamics. Yeah, oh and the
Old Lady. Okay, so the Old lady that causes him to get hit
by the bus in the beginning, we find out she's some kind of agent
or is she like the angel of death? Well, that's that's what this
is. Again, like Disney spirituality, this plays into both Princess Frog and
especially han Mansion and this this movie, especially in han Mansion's like what is
the spirit world? Yeah, because he kept calling her Bill Cosby, kept
calling her agent Hargroves, I think, okay, the agent, she's working
for one side or the other of the whatever cosmic forces. But then at
the end, when mad Max is trying to find get the souls saved because
he wants to repent, he then sees the old lady and she basically says
it's not his time, the motocross kids time, and he'll be okay,
right, remember when you running her again at the end. Yeah, then
got me? Thingy? Is she an angels them? That's what I mean?
Is she the angel of death? So? Or is she an angel
of life? Is she an angel of God who's come? Because if she's
a good angel, and then makes you wonder all these other questions about the
metaphysics of this world. It's like, wait, what is this angel setting
Max off on his journey. Why is the angel intervening? Or why is
the angel? Like? Who is God in this world where there are angels
and there's the devil, but there's no Jesus? You know. Again,
it's like Hollywood. They're just so afraid to really talk about real spirituality and
real Jesus. That's gonna make crazy weird other spiritual worlds where people who aren't
discerning enough with that, Oh yeah, that makes sense. There's the devil,
therefore it's good and evil. You know. I thought the ultimate theme
of this movie was like, basically, where did I put Salvation is achieved
through making right choices and thereby defeating the devil rather than being saved through Jesus.
Basically, again, it's kind of like the moral stories, the trade
your soul the devil, go through your hero's journey, and you'll eventually be
victorious and have a life of family, which is likens. It are weird.
And he totally got away with it so easy. All he had to
do was burn the contracts and nothing bad happened to anybody, and he didn't
even have to pay his debt, and he got continued to live exactly that's
the only things about this movie or just confusing at the end, way you
gotta wonder, like so in the end, is it just about providence really?
And that's this sort of like weird spirituality of God and the devil at
best and at the worst, it's like a guy who's lifting himself up by
his own bootstraps and we're gonna like make the right choices like something. I
recommend this to you and anybody listening. There's a great lecture seminar called Paradise
has two Trees on YouTube by one Deacon Ezra Ham from Oklahoma, and it's
like sixteen seminar sessions, but he talks a lot about the Tree of Knowledge
verus the Tree of life. And in just one quick word, I'd say
that when we're making right choices and always acting inside the categories of good and
evil, right and wrong, we're still eating off the tree of Knowledge,
all these false dichotomies of soul and body, good and evil, masculine,
feminine, or the tree of life Christ. It's like a whole other being
entirely, Like if a whole new letter we're added into the alphabet, how
much it would change every single thing in our world, you know, where
the Tree of Knowledge is still always stuck in a box and thinking you can
make choices. Even if you're going to make new choices, you're just creating
another box that you're living in inside. At the end of the end of
the day, this movie was like, it's so weird because of course,
like my kind of dud duh moment is like, no movie is going to
have salvation through Jesus at the end, Like they're not could like it just
be so out of left field, it wouldn't make any sense, right,
So all movies though, but any movie that wants to talk about spirituality is
going to try to, you know, but they're always going to fail short
because they're going to fall into like, frankly, all these Christian heresies that
like the Church Fathers were like battling against for centuries. You know that I'm
too dumb to you know name name dropped them all. It reminded me of
the end of Fantasia. Do you remember when we talked about that, Like
it was the night on Bald Mountain with the Churnibog devil and then it was
supposed to be ave Maria like conquering evil. But the procession led nowhere,
right, and there was no Christian symbols anywhere to be found. Besides,
they're singing about Maria and the same with the Devil and Max Devlin. So
it wasn't Christ that overcame the devil. It was just him outsmarting the devil.
All right. Again, it's just like luciferic from Methean, probably from
Methian be a wider word to use, it would work. But the sense
that you watch these movies and if you're spiritually looking for help, whether you're
you know, ten years old or thirty years old or whatever, and you
just try to watch movies to get inspired and all these things, it's like
they come so close to filling your spiritual tank with gas. But it's like
that cheap budget gas. It's like five cents cheaper than all the other places
that you end up having to refuel more. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
all right, Well, let's get out of Hell and let's go to the
other side of the Tree of Life, because that's where the monsters live in
Monsters, inc. Yeah, I want to hear all about this one because
I didn't you know, I didn't have much on this film. I mean,
I had my thoughts about fear and things like that. In terms of
like my esoteric decoding on it. I found it Again, lot of these
movies are kind of so simple. It's like the monster symbolizes the dark side
of God because we're so light and airy in our world that Christian Western Christianity
needs to incorporate its sonic dark side, and here comes the monster to help
us out. You know. It's like easy to see it that way,
but yeah, go on, Well, I thought this was pretty ripe with
symbolism and theology. So we talked about the Klipo, the dark side of
the Tree of life. The occultist who ascribed to these things they would call
that universe b a different dimension, right, one you can contact with a
wuijiboard medium, all the stuff we've been talking about, a ritual ceremony,
a sin, all of these open portals to the dark side, right,
which this movie is all about portals. And the movie starts with a big
m with an eye in it, right, So there's your all seeing eye,
the one eye. We just covered this movie too on a show on
Level, right, yeah kind of, and we we covered this on Psyops
Cinemas, and he had the perfect and answer to my question, and it
was so poignant and good. I'm going to share it with you when we
get to the end. Okay, So All Seeing I very beginning m which
I mean, is it a stretch to make it stand for Mason? I
don't know, maybe maybe not. But so you've got the app Yeah,
so you've got the All Seeing I and the opening credits. And it's funny
because Jay and I have been watching a lot of creepy videos, like paranormal
things like unexplained, you know, our our doorbell camera picked up this ghost
or like you can't explain what why did a kiddie turn into a ghost in
a light ball? And like flow away? What the heck? So,
and we've been noticing a lot of parallels or not parallels, like the same
things to happening over and over, right, So a lot of these creepy
videos is baby cams pick up invisible things, messing with the baby you're seeing
the Witch, the one with Anna Taylor Joy maybe that's her name V which
with the goat. Yeah yeah, actually not the baby in that movie,
yeah baby which VV is six six it's the sixties, yeahs oh god,
it's a Hebrew Jamatria thing. There's a whole Yeah. Okay, so we're
in Universe B where the monsters live, and they're trying to make these monsters
have like personalities that we can relate to. Mm hmm. So the monsters
are basically demons. Yeah, and it's the power of the children's screams that
feels their world, right. Yeah, it's like when you read it literally,
you're like, yeah, that's if I wrote a synopsis for this movie,
it would not sound like a kids movie, right, it would sound
like a right, like rob zombie horror movie or something. But yeah,
so you know, you could equate that maybe to adren of chrome, which
is a real thing. Uh, you know all this Huxley talked about that
in way back in the Doors of Perception. So this adrena chrome thing has
merit to it. I don't know exactly who we're aware or what where they
get it from, but it does seem like it is a traded drug that
is coveted by the elite, that is extrapolated by you know, the blood
of tortured people. And then what are they that's the adrena chrome? Wasn't
that like making us rounds during COVID or something for like, take it and
you'll feel better. No, no, what were they? All? Right?
Who where I've heard that in the news over the last few years.
What was Weren't they saying it for a vaccine? No? The dreena chrome?
No? No, well, sorry, I'm just totally showing my ignorance
here. That's okay, go ahead, we won't linger too much on that.
Everybody knows about a drena chrome by now. But yeah, that's the
fuel that fuels their whole world. And Sully, the John Goodman character,
he is your stereotypical beast. Yeah right, he is the hero of the
movie. But how much have we been talking about magic and the devil and
blah blah blah. Al Tacoli called himself the beast, The Beast of revelation
is what they're trying to emulate and become the beast six six. He did
have his little demon horns too, right, he's the beast, He's top
beast exactly. And Mike is the eyeball, the one eyed monster, which
we did get into this kind of on sap cnema. But like one eyed
monster can also be a dirty thing. I'm gonna say, I'm pretty sure
it's a phallic reference. Yes, yeah, and I mentioned in Goonies,
remember that movie. Yeah, so what they're if you watch that movie,
look how many times they make phallic jokes or talk about one eyed Willie's rich
stuff, not pirate treasure, not gold or some you know, sunken silver.
It's they call it one eyed Willie's rich stuff. An thinking about ceremonial
magic and Felima and Ot and Caral, it gets gluey shout out. I
know there's tons of things that do this, but I thought right away of
Twin Peaks season three when you say that, because they do Cooper does magic,
does sex magic with Diane m the other side or the other dimension whenever,
I don't even remember at that point, probably universe be what I'm talking
about right now, where the yeah it's in they're in the universe split at
that point. Hm. So there. I thought it was interesting how the
whole world is set up like a company town, like a turn of the
century or midst nice. They all work for the same corporation. It's not
Yeah, I'm kind of a for lack of a better word, I kind
of had a stoner one oh one moment when I was like, if monsters
are humans, mean, it's like humans ink that they work at because like
you know, yeah, they're just normal, right, and it's kind of
like anyways, put me out. Imagine if that was played out in our
world when it would be called humans Incorporated. And so they say, we
scare because we care and they have to keep the power on in their universe
by our emotions and sorry, that's just what our modern world is right now,
right, you just got the phone all day and be fueled by your
emotions. New power you going on your phone then charges all these companies the
system. Yeah right, yeah, yeah, go on. My favorite character
in this was the slug lady. It turns out to be the good the
good one in the end, right yeah, ros I thought she perfectly like
encapsulated the whole bureaucrat like angry old beercrat slug woman. Absolutely, And so
they all work at Monsters Inc. Which is a warehouse of portals. This
is going back to ros. This is one of those tropes that Pixar did,
right and it's gotten lazy. We're both in x Utopia and then in
Elemental they also have the like bureaucratic person who's like slow boring, you know,
doesn't want to be there kind of deal, but so much better in
Monsters, Inc. But the last two movies a kind of lazy with that.
We just watched Jupiter Sending and there's a whole planet like the it's the
bureaucrat's planet. It's really funny, like all the paperwork and stuff that she
has to go through in Hey, Universal Democracy. Random question. When's the
last time you watch Starship Troopers? Not recently, but I do really like
that movie. I think it's goofy and fun. I like Hineline. Okay,
I've not seen since I was like a kid, and like I was
like, certainly, like, man, I feel like there's something in Starship
Troopers that would be to watch. Yeah, you should watch it because it's
all about you have to join the military to become a galactic citizen. So
they're like, do you want citizenship, global citizenship, join the bug killers
or whatever and instead of killing bugs and we'll just eat bugs in our future
that we sign up for. Yeah, it's it's kind of a metaphor for
like the military, you know, expansion of the US military industrial complex,
right, But yeah, Starship Troopers, that's a fun one. So okay,
So the monster's ink is the warehouse of portals that they can destroy if
they want to. And this just got me thinking, So it's the portals
that we open by doing ceremonial magic, by doing wegie boards, by doing
tarot cards, by going to mediums, by breaking down that membrane between reality
and the other dimension that has a lot to do with imagination, like you
were talking about. Because they can only like they have to clock in and
clock out, so they can only go through the portals at certain designated times.
I'm thinking, is this like astrological or is this based on rituals or
ceremonies or what did that make you think? Either way, we could say
astrological in a general sense, and that it's cosmos bound. It still relies
on the mechanisms of the cosmos, whether it be certain times or be certain
forces. Your keys you're turning at a certain time, so to speak to
get that to open or get like shout out for Christ. Like God is
post cosmic, He's beyond the cosmos, you know. So when we pray
to God, part of why our prayer, that's why when like in our
picture, when we pray, we're not in the force bubble because we pray,
we have this freedom where God is beyond the cosmos, where a magician
is stuck in the cosmos in his force bubble, where prayer doesn't involve as
you see, being stuck in a force bubble. So it's so interesting too
because it's not even bound to time, because God isn't bound to time exactly.
So this one is what I'm trying to say, like, is people
you're into magic and stuff, just start learning to pray. It's like so
much better for you. Yeah, it's a live and really like people want
to be free. They want to break through the drudgeries of life and the
routines and the cycles and looking at the clock and time to go to lunch
kind of deal. And yet then we turn right to astrology and magic and
relying in the eaching and relying on forces of time. That like it's just
pretty mind boggling, frankly and orthodoxy that you can get beyond time. You
know, because I'm a musician, so I was always in the time and
the eaching and like a surfer finding the right way of time and life to
start surfing for you know, what you want to happen in your life and
just kind of crazy to think that you could be in direct personal contact with
he who created time, right, And that's why pray is more powerful because
you're appealing to, yeah, someone who's outside space and time, and it
doesn't even rely on the laws of physics or astrology or conjunctions or vibrations.
It's like more than that, it's love, you know, because it's like
God doesn't even need our prayers. Like if God needed our prayers would create
a whole other issue of like, well, who's this God and why do
you pray for him? To him and all these things where it's like prayer
is a gift that we've been given by God to I don't know, it
will sound cheesy and like growing love, you know. It's it's like,
I mean, I don't know how to say it. It's like I have
a note yeah basically says prayer. I don't know. I just put prayer
is a gift from God which allows us to know that through simple things,
we're allowed to draw closer to him. Yeah. Magic those like getting the
retractable being force field thing where he just brings in all of the cosmic dust
with you and you don't know what you're getting with all that garbage, right,
you could be getting goolies. Okay, So they think that kids can
hurt them, and they think that things objects from our world can contaminate them.
Right, So is that we have more power than we think over this
dimension? Right? Oh? Nice, good point. And then the baby
boo, she's not old enough to be scared, Like, she doesn't know
fear yet because she hasn't experienced any traumas yet. So she just thinks the
giant monster is a kiddie because he's fuzzy. Rights. He Again, that's
an interesting point you bring up, which I'm not contesting. But doesn't she
have her evil monster? Yes, she's scared of Randall because Randall has been
experimenting on her. Oh right, how has he been experimenting? He is
trying to make a device to extrapolate their screams at a higher rate. Again,
it's like all the technology, just like ghost Guy in the first movie
where in the first movie High Mansion he can't get into the spiritual world because
of his technology. In this movie Randall, it's like inverted the spiritual world
praise upon the national world through the technology. So, and she's not scared
of Sully, but she is scared of Randall. And they're trying to make
a point that these demons have a soft side, like they're not all bad,
not all of them are all bad. They have, you know,
a soft side, and well they're cute, Jamie. That's why, yes,
invite interacting with them. We can bring out this the good in them,
right. Yeah. So, I my little notes here is like basically
fallen man lives according to fear, because like you're saying that there's no fear
in the Gospel life like and shouldn't have fear. So basically fear is our
ground upon which this whole thing is based on, which in some level,
just to be like Christian about it, it's all in this fallen world where
the spirit is basically cut off. Again to my other chart, you have
your body psyche split because we're cut off in the spirit. When we're in
touch with the spirit with God, we don't have fear. I mean,
of course, Christ when he was in Gosemite and he's saying, Lord,
let this pass from me, you know, as a human being. Obviously
I don't want to be too black and white about this. We do have
fear, of course, but let's say, fundamentally speaking, like when you're
in your when you've yoked yourself to God and to Christ, there's no fear
and fear. And when you when there's no God, there's fear, and
when there's fear, there's pride. Because you know, I got to do
it right. If there's no God around, I got to be the one
that makes the universe work, or you know, I have to make sure
to keep everything in order. I got to make sure all my kids are
going to be fed. All these things are basically just pride fear from my
chart. Again, I got this from a patristic source. No God leads
to fear, leads to pride, leads to all the passions, and the
fear is what connects us to the demonic real mhm and they feed off it.
They feed off our grief from Haunted Mansion, and they feed off our
monsters eat callback. Yeah. Did you notice they made a mention about lockness,
monster and Bigfoot are just banished monsters. Yeah, I gotta take that
take that to heart because I'm in Bigfoot territory, Upper Island. So well.
I did go to the Disney Animal Kingdom once and they have an Abominable
Snowman ride the YETI and it was scary. I mean it was literally it
made me scream, it extracted my energy. Okay, that's that's a funny
time. My only couple notes from this one this one on So this actually
got from Disney itself. This was from the Imagineering documentary and they're talking about
fabricating fun and creating the parks and they literally said fear minus death equals fun.
Mmmm right. I then was trying to be pithy about it, and
so I thought, oh, well then no fear. If fear minus death
equals fun, no fear plus death equals resurrection. But forgive me, I'm
just I was just having fun with that. But anyways, I just thought
it was funny that. Like I'm saying, I thought it was funny.
I think it's interesting the way they use fear and fun to sort of yeah,
yeah, that is weird. What's the imaginary We should I should watch
that Imagineering documentary? Yeah, the Miley take on it was. I watched
this before I converted or anything, but I was still interested in Yeah,
forgive me, you know, people's but like from this sort of quote unquote
Youngian point of view where everything is just the unconscious manifesting itself in reality.
You know, I still kind of half on board of evolution idea of just
thinking like man to think all this stuff just comes from nothing, and human
beings just invent symbols, and we built the pyramids, and we built these
churches, and now suddenly we build a Disneyland. You know. And as
I was watching this documentary, I was kind of observing, like, is
this how religions are born? Like you get this guy with an idea Colts,
I would say, Frankly, an idea, and then he gets it
out there and it grows and grows. And then what happens when the founder
of the cult dies? How did people carry on his legacy? And you
know, so this int imagineering documentary, Man, I thought it was like
this religion and yeah, we'll get Mormons and that's not that old. That's
a huge I mean, That's what I'm kind of saying, is like and
again like this is patristically back, but I think the deep the chill heads
in our orthodox world, the fathers, the saints, I shouldn't call them
that, but chill heads, but they say that Christianity isn't even a religion
the end of religion. Their religions are built, made by man to get
to God, where in Christianity, God came down to man in revelation.
So therefore I would say something like Disney is a religion in the way if
you use it in a very technical way, where it's man creating these systems,
theme parks, in this case true mecca lands where people are trying to
communicate with the spiritual world. In the Disney World, they don't call it
spiritual world. They just call it imagination, fantasy, dreams, wishing upon
stars, blah blah, blah, blah blah. You just made me think
of something about the Cross and the Cross worlds. Maybe we'll talk about that
later, but because it's pretty deep and it goes back to ancient times.
But yeah, So scaring the kids one by one the way they're doing it
is not enough. And the boss man that owns Monsters inc. That crab
guy has gotten Randall's deed Boushemy the creepy lizard Man to build a device that
will revolutionize the scaring business, the scream Extractor, which is a giant,
long, phallic thing that they put on the kid's face on their mouth,
Yeah, suck out their energy. And they're doing this like they've got Boo
in the chair and she's like screaming and these things, and you know,
the one eyed monster coming to extract her energy. Like this is straight up
Epstein and Drew Machrome sra stuff. Well, it's crazy because, like the
movie is still hitting home the theme that this is bad and bad people are
doing this. But the mere fact that it's like being presented and that people
worked on it for so long and spent all this time rendering and creating these
images and being immersed in them, you know, just doesn't make you wonder
what affect it creates, sort of like a pond, you know, immersing
yourself sort of imagery for so long as I have some toll on your being,
did you notice? So they got banished to the Himalayas, which is
really important to the esoteric by way of phiosophy, and they think that's where
the secret chiefs live, right, that are controlling the world from their mountaintop
Tibetan Who who who believes this? It's called theosophy? Okay, so I
know I know theosophy. Madame Blovotsky but they believe the Theosophists that their headquarters
are in the Himalayas. Yeah, mhmm. So they get cosmic transcriptions from
the Secret Chiefs who are sitting up there floating like the super Friends, basically
like member of South Parks, Mohammed, all of the super Friends. So
that's what the Secret Chiefs are in Theosophy. And so that's where the monsters
get banished too, when they have to leave monster world and they're in our
world, they're in the Himalayas. I thought it was interesting that it was
Boo that beat Randall in the end and not Sully. Yeah, so it
was the baby that overcame the evil demon. Well again it's like all this
like kind of Christian not really stuff, or you have the divine child,
will call her, you know, the innocent one who wins. But again
it's not in the way that the innocent one makes the self sacrifice. It's
the innocent one actually uses it's myths to knock out evil you know, strong
right, and let me go ahead, go ahead, Well, I was
just gonna say they find out in the end the laughter is ten times more
powerful than screams. All the monsters become like stand up comedians and trying to
make the kids laugh instead of scaring them. Yeah, I just put monsters
are no longer scary and need to be feared, but not because of God.
Like and we don't because if we had God, we wouldn't fear monsters
as we have God on our side. But here we don't fear monsters because
monsters are good, right kids, Like, I don't know how to explain
it other than just saying that same thing. Basically, the demons are using
a ropadope tech technique to get you on their side. Yes, and just
like in Hauted mansion where they all decided that they could live with the hundred
ghosts in the mansion. I'm just having a thought right now that came to
me about all this. It's because the more easily man couples of demons,
the demon is gonna appear less and less scary, like a passion. Basically,
oh you know, I'll just drink a little bit before my task or
public speech or whatever. Using a too obscure example, but like saying like
the more you do a little bit of something, the more you become desensitized
to its powers. You could say, like our priest gave a homily a
while ago, and he's saying that, let's just say every day you spend
five degrees going off kilter, you know, but I don't know what would
be ninety days or something later, you'd be one hundred eighty degrees the opposite
direction. So that little bit of compliance, a little bit of rope and
doping with the demons, laughing and being silly, will eventually get your face
and whole whole opposite direction of which you meant to. Because again, on
these weird moralities of this world, it's like, how does a good monster
teach a human child to change? Because Booze no longer afraid of Randle at
the end, so something in the good monster caused her to overcome her fear
of evil monsters. So it's kind of like, what is the What's what
does the monster teach the human that ontologically makes this monster better than other monsters?
Is it because the monsters have love? Like is at the end of
the day love? Yeah, Sully learned to love in this just like Max
Devlin. But I just remember this one sinister thing. It's like they found
out that Randall had been visiting boo without being on flock after hours. Yeah,
and so what was he doing her after hours if he wasn't extrapolating her
screams? Why? Yeah, Miley, Miley guess while trying to stay in
cannon and not go too far. Yeah's probably that machine to her. Ever.
Yeah, so we're supposed to think that the alien probes. He's doing
alien probes on her. Yeah, exactly. That's the point I was trying
to make, Like the one eyed monster is prevalent in this thing, and
I think I'm pretty sure that's what it means. So laughter is more powerful
in dreams screams they become demonic clowns instead. Oh nice, nice, I
didn't really think about the clown. Yeah. And you are rooting for this
relationship between a grown monster and a toddler, like you're sad when they're cut
off from each other, when you think the portal has clothes and he can
never see her again. You're like, oh, it's like this y this
yung and yin Yangian sort of like you need the whole door to open the
portal, and it's all about wholeness, cosmic wholeness. You know, even
in this sense, it might not be masculine feminine, so obviously polar,
but even here you need the whole door or in order for the alchemical.
You know, maybe I'm going too far with alchemy, but just trying to
say it's all about in the modern era, where people are going to see
in movies is the theme of integrating the darks. The wholeness is always be
this thing like the cosmic Enyang is trying to find its completion, and it's
likely going to be some Sophianic boo of female character who's going to be the
divine wisdom who will unite the worlds. That's right. Yeah, in this
movie, you just bring the shadows into your bedroom and plate with them.
Yeah, so you're rooting for them to a grown man monster to be friends
with a little girl and continue to visit her in her bedroom at night throughout
her life. Like, there's just so many things that like in my larger
context of outside of my church, I know this stuff doesn't seem weird at
all the people, but I just think that like if I were a priest,
or even just today, if I have kids tomorrow, I'm just like,
you really got to scratch your head and wonder what aide you want to
start showing them these things. It's like, even if not because maybe they'll
understand all this esoteric stuff, or even if it does get on plants and
there, but just the mere fact that, like, we have a real
tradition of human beings that have martyred themselves for Christ and stuff, and here
we are in this other world where it's kind of just like, oh,
play with your monster friend and everything will be better in the long run.
You know. It's just kind of weird to balance these two worlds of fantasy
with our real world of Christian dare I say it magic, but a real
Christian world of spirituality that's really quite profound and crazy when you think about it,
like interceding with the saints and holy relics and all these things. It's
like our world's pretty far out already, you know. It's, oh yeah,
it's miss cool enough. Really, the Church has all of these esthetic
things and mystical things and deep dives as deep as you want to go,
and for every level of IQ you will be satisfied. The last point I
wanted to make about this was so on Syup Cinemas, we were talking about
what do you make about how they say laughter is more powerful than screams.
And we did talk about the demonic clown, but then he said something that
was so poignant and wrapped it up. He was like, the trauma becomes
entertainment. Stay a little more on that. So, like you just said,
the imagineering people say that fear what was it? No death plus yeah,
fear minus death equals fun fun. Yes, So here they're taking the
trauma of you know, like going on a ride or seeing something scary or
frightening cartoon or image. That trauma becomes the entertainment. M M that we
choose. What do you think of that? I think that's I want to
chew on that more, just so I could find more examples. I don't
disagree with it. You explained it way better than I could, So you
just don't I hear what you're saying, though I hear you're saying. It's
like and the way that I thought about it immediately without maybe mapping one to
one, and what you said was like everything that used to be our environment
becomes content in the new environment. So even something like my thoughts become words,
thoughts become word in a new environment of speech, my speech becomes writing
in the new environment of writing, writing becomes a play. In that environment,
play becomes film, et cetera, et cetera. And this way,
trauma becomes content. Say that again, Say it again what you said about
it? He just said, the trauma becomes the entertainment because the monsters instead
of being scary, now they're being you know, stand up comedians or trying
to make the kids laugh. Well, it's that whole thing of like sublimating,
right, to try to like take your things that are trouble you,
and your fears and your low things and sublimate them into something higher. You
know. Yeah, again, it's like I guess, just about the risk
of being cheesy and all that, it's kind of like just offer this stuff
to God, you know, rather than trying to become your own alchemist and
transfigure your trauma into something, because then you get like Ben and Haunted Mansion
movie where he's like, just grieve with me forever, little young bro,
and we'll like both be sad, miserable humans together and our trauma. The
way the whole film is even like showing like I'm just noticing maybe that's something
to do with like the past few years of the whole virus world, but
like the trauma that children have gone through over the last few years of thinking
like wait, I mean even if I stand around Grandma, I'm going to
possibly killer unless I like wear my mask, you know, And just kind
of like the way that trauma is becoming this thing that I think, I
think we're gonna probably see more and more films, if not already they've come
out where people are like glorifying trauma and sort of being a victim in a
sense in a way that different than what we're seeing now with like the victimhood
of kind of like the me too things over the last few years. But
like I guess all I was going to say is that being a victim basically
creates this negative stress response in us because being a victim implies that bad things
are always going to be happening to us and in a sense that maybe foot
around to I don't know, make fun out of it. It uh,
on one hand, lessons the reality of real trauma. By the other hand,
kind of shoot, I'm losing steam on that thought rope. It's all
the ropendope may forgive me losing my hand to They're just saying, like,
well, we have been going for over three hours, so I think our
brains are probably coming to the end of what we can do tonight. There
that's all I had for Monsters Inc. And so we did Hanted, Mansion,
Frog, Princess Devilin, Max Devlin, and Monsters Inc. And they
all had a lot of the same threads and common themes in them. I
think we have pretty much knocked these out of the park. And next time,
yeah, we're gonna do We've been got two John Goodman movies overlapping in
we do Good Black Hauldron, Marsnie's Moms. Yeah, maybe we'll have one
more, or what we'll have to think of two more and then we'll have
a show. Okay though maybe Hey, I'm all for the four, but
they're granted. How our time goes, maybe we should do three next time,
Okay, yeah, yeah, okay. Thanks for hanging in with us
till the end, and we had a great time and I hope you did
too, and we'll see you next time. Thank you, Paul for Kemy,
You're welcome. Bye, Jamie. Hi