WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:05.080 Hey, and welcome through another episode than nonprofits. You know, sometimes people 2 00:00:05.240 --> 00:00:09.199 only open their mouths just to change feet, and Cynthia is going to lead 3 00:00:09.279 --> 00:00:13.199 us into a story about one such person who had to change his feed several 4 00:00:13.240 --> 00:00:20.120 times in the same speech. Cynthia, Well, the NFL is actually distancing 5 00:00:20.239 --> 00:00:26.920 itself from controversial comments made by Kansas City Chiefs kicker Harrison Butker. During a 6 00:00:26.960 --> 00:00:34.000 recent commencement address. Butker criticized Pride Month diversity initiatives and suggested women find more 7 00:00:34.119 --> 00:00:41.759 fulfillment in marriage and motherhood than careers and sparks. That actually sparked widespread backlash. 8 00:00:41.920 --> 00:00:47.719 The NFL stated that Butker's views do not reflect the league's stance on inclusion. 9 00:00:48.280 --> 00:00:53.479 Glad and many others, including the sisters of Mount Saint Scholastica Monastery, 10 00:00:53.600 --> 00:00:58.759 condemned his remarks. Butker's comments, included a reference to Taylor Swift, have 11 00:00:59.000 --> 00:01:03.159 generated sig magnificant criticisms online, you know, from the swifeties, and also 12 00:01:03.239 --> 00:01:08.319 posing an optical problem for the NFL and the Chiefs. The story is actually 13 00:01:08.319 --> 00:01:15.280 from aj Willington from CNN, published on May seventeenth, twenty twenty four. 14 00:01:15.480 --> 00:01:19.840 Now, Jimmy Bucker does seem to have isolated himself with the speech. Can 15 00:01:19.159 --> 00:01:25.200 you elaborate on that. Yeah, well, not only is the NFL distanting, 16 00:01:25.280 --> 00:01:29.480 it's from distancing itself from him, but so is his own team. 17 00:01:29.519 --> 00:01:33.319 I mean, the chiefs have not responded for comment, and it seems as 18 00:01:33.319 --> 00:01:36.519 if they kind of just want this whole thing to blow over. It doesn't 19 00:01:36.560 --> 00:01:40.719 seem that many people are stepping up to support him, at least, you 20 00:01:40.719 --> 00:01:44.439 know, not anybody of any consequence. Of course, we see Christian nationalists 21 00:01:44.480 --> 00:01:48.319 and everybody praising him, the same people who told Lebron James to shut up 22 00:01:48.319 --> 00:01:53.680 and dribble, or other athletes Colin Kaepernick, for example, who have something 23 00:01:53.719 --> 00:01:57.879 to say. You know, they're not taken seriously, they're not revered, 24 00:01:57.959 --> 00:02:01.920 right, But Butcker's being revered by usual suspects. In any case, many 25 00:02:01.920 --> 00:02:07.560 people are distancing themselves, especially members of Catholic organizations. Particularly I want to 26 00:02:07.599 --> 00:02:14.759 talk about the Sisters of of Sount met Mount Saint Scholastica. You know, 27 00:02:14.800 --> 00:02:20.360 I think this Catholic order of women speaking out against Butker speaks to a larger 28 00:02:20.439 --> 00:02:27.639 picture of women within Christianity not really taking what they've been dealt right, being 29 00:02:27.680 --> 00:02:31.719 told their whole lives being told for generations, thousands of years that they are 30 00:02:31.800 --> 00:02:37.800 subordinate to men. Standing up to this kind of rhetoric is truly I think, 31 00:02:38.039 --> 00:02:40.360 uh, you know, enlightening. I think promising is the word I'm 32 00:02:40.360 --> 00:02:46.039 looking for, And so that was what stood out to me. Cool Eli, 33 00:02:46.120 --> 00:02:49.560 do you do you think Bucker might have been creating straw men with the 34 00:02:49.639 --> 00:02:53.840 speech? Uh? In you could say in a way, so, I 35 00:02:53.879 --> 00:02:58.400 mean he refers to it seems the way I understand what he says is that 36 00:02:58.400 --> 00:03:02.879 he's referring to women having success testful careers as a diabolical lie. And similarly, 37 00:03:02.960 --> 00:03:07.719 somebody that I was discussing this online with referred to it. He said, 38 00:03:07.080 --> 00:03:09.639 He's like, do you really think women are more excited for an Associate 39 00:03:09.680 --> 00:03:14.360 of the Month titled than for a family and kids? And my response to 40 00:03:14.400 --> 00:03:17.560 that is, if you're equating like having a career with being an Associate of 41 00:03:17.560 --> 00:03:22.879 the Month, that either is just a massive straw man to what the problem 42 00:03:22.919 --> 00:03:29.680 is, or it's an honest indicator of his and Butker's opinion about the value 43 00:03:29.800 --> 00:03:35.319 of women in the workforce or in business or the sciences or politics, or 44 00:03:35.360 --> 00:03:38.360 academics or education or medicine, like, do I need to keep like there's 45 00:03:38.400 --> 00:03:44.000 more? Is that enough? There's so many things that women can do. 46 00:03:45.520 --> 00:03:52.039 A pair of young women in high school recently trigonometrically solved pythago the pythagoreaan them 47 00:03:52.240 --> 00:03:54.719 theorem, which for the past hundred years was thought to be impossible, and 48 00:03:54.759 --> 00:03:59.039 to young women in a high school in New Orleans did it. Women can 49 00:03:59.080 --> 00:04:01.840 do so many things that have nothing to do with having a family or kids 50 00:04:01.919 --> 00:04:05.599 or what men want them to do. And that's what Harrison Butker is messing. 51 00:04:06.000 --> 00:04:12.840 Now. He had some pretty unpopular opinions about Pride Month and Cynthia. 52 00:04:12.879 --> 00:04:16.160 Do you think this is just pointing out the clash between outdated and religious ideas 53 00:04:16.199 --> 00:04:21.959 and modern day progressivism. I think that Butker is very much so stuck in 54 00:04:23.000 --> 00:04:28.040 the fifties with his particular adolism. You know what he said about, you 55 00:04:28.040 --> 00:04:31.360 know, the LGBTQ community, basically saying that, you know, Pride Month 56 00:04:31.480 --> 00:04:36.439 is labeled as a deadly sin, and also even talking about like, you 57 00:04:36.480 --> 00:04:41.120 know, how diversity and equity initiatives are just like you know, wait, 58 00:04:41.160 --> 00:04:46.240 wait, what what is deadley about pride? That's a good question. I'm 59 00:04:46.319 --> 00:04:48.959 starting to catch off. But that's just such a strange because that's such a 60 00:04:48.959 --> 00:04:51.519 strange thing to say, I'm sorry, God, No, No, you're 61 00:04:51.600 --> 00:04:56.000 fine. No. It is like, you know, I think that one 62 00:04:56.000 --> 00:04:59.399 of the things that a lot of a lot of like you know, fundamentalist 63 00:04:59.439 --> 00:05:01.639 Christians and he even maybe some Catholics actually do. It's like, you know, 64 00:05:01.759 --> 00:05:06.680 do this equation that you know, homosexuality in of itself is a deadly 65 00:05:06.720 --> 00:05:11.759 sin, right, but you know, you know, the Bible only addressed 66 00:05:11.759 --> 00:05:15.120 this homosexuality like six times, you know, and that's like between the Old 67 00:05:15.160 --> 00:05:17.399 Testament and New Testament, that's the only time that addresses it. And if 68 00:05:17.439 --> 00:05:21.720 you actually look at the the times that it addresses it, it's less about 69 00:05:21.720 --> 00:05:27.480 the act and more about like you know, some of the the acts that 70 00:05:27.519 --> 00:05:30.759 came behind the act as well as far as like you know, like let's 71 00:05:30.800 --> 00:05:33.519 say, for instance, like Sodom and Gomorrah Solimon Gomora was not necessarily about 72 00:05:33.600 --> 00:05:36.360 you know, men having sex with men. Sodom and Gomora was more so 73 00:05:36.439 --> 00:05:40.959 about violence that was actually being wrought against the people that were in that area 74 00:05:41.000 --> 00:05:44.120 at that time, and that's why God decided to go ahead and get rid 75 00:05:44.160 --> 00:05:47.480 of it, you know, so this, so this whole thing about deadly 76 00:05:47.639 --> 00:05:53.240 sins and people actually just celebrating who they are as just like, you know, 77 00:05:53.399 --> 00:05:58.319 something that's completely diabolical, is just absolutely heinous and crazy. And I 78 00:05:58.360 --> 00:06:02.240 think that the more that I was listening, because I actually sat through Butker's 79 00:06:02.319 --> 00:06:05.040 speech, and I know that I took the l for all of us, 80 00:06:05.160 --> 00:06:10.680 okay, And as I was sitting there, I'm like, oh my goodness, 81 00:06:10.720 --> 00:06:14.519 I feel like I'm sitting in a really bad episode of Donna Reed from 82 00:06:14.560 --> 00:06:19.879 the nineteen fifties, especially when he started to cry Kelly and Panel when he 83 00:06:19.959 --> 00:06:25.680 talked about his wife now wife that he met in middle school and said that 84 00:06:26.160 --> 00:06:29.519 one of her greatest things that she's ever did is become a mother and a 85 00:06:29.560 --> 00:06:31.879 homemaker. And and to be honest, like, you know what, it's 86 00:06:31.879 --> 00:06:34.360 probably a good thing that I wasn't his wife, because I probably would have 87 00:06:34.439 --> 00:06:38.120 ran up on stage and calls violence. But that's neither here nor there. 88 00:06:38.439 --> 00:06:41.839 No, I would never do that. Maybe, But I digress. So 89 00:06:42.399 --> 00:06:46.680 this thing that he's really saying about, you know, everything that's you know, 90 00:06:46.279 --> 00:06:50.319 supposedly the ideal of how things are supposed to go. As a sister 91 00:06:50.519 --> 00:06:56.879 het white male because that's basically the ideologies that he was saying that should be 92 00:06:57.120 --> 00:07:00.360 women belong in the home. Women are supposed to be mothers. Women's highest 93 00:07:00.480 --> 00:07:04.079 regard, even if you have an education, should be making sure that you 94 00:07:04.120 --> 00:07:09.240 are running a household for your husband and your children, that you know. 95 00:07:09.680 --> 00:07:14.600 Pride month should never be a thing. Diversity, equity, inclusion are all 96 00:07:14.639 --> 00:07:17.360 these different things, right, Like, basically, you want to take the 97 00:07:17.519 --> 00:07:21.720 country back pre civil rights movement, that's what you really want to do. 98 00:07:23.319 --> 00:07:28.000 And I'm glad that there was some distancings that was happening. And even though 99 00:07:28.120 --> 00:07:31.600 he's a fairly young person that still has these really outdated ideologies. You know. 100 00:07:31.680 --> 00:07:34.519 The one of the things that I'm really hoping that maybe his teammates could 101 00:07:34.519 --> 00:07:38.720 do, who may be a bit more woke, is to actually do some 102 00:07:38.800 --> 00:07:45.920 intervention and educate this person on why his rhetoric is false and faulty and dangerous. 103 00:07:46.079 --> 00:07:53.000 Yeah, I agree. I don't want women, any particular women to 104 00:07:53.000 --> 00:07:56.519 get the wrong oppression that we don't think they should be homemakers and mothers if 105 00:07:56.560 --> 00:07:59.839 that's what they want to do. But I don't think that's the purpose of 106 00:08:00.519 --> 00:08:05.519 and I think that's what Bucker was kind of communicating with this speech. Now, 107 00:08:05.560 --> 00:08:09.160 Eli, I think, Eli, Jimmy me. We've all had experience 108 00:08:09.199 --> 00:08:13.560 with working women. Eli, what have your experience has been like? Well? 109 00:08:13.600 --> 00:08:18.199 I well, I mean personal experiences. Something that sticks out to me 110 00:08:18.240 --> 00:08:20.079 a lot, or it doesn't really stick out to me, but I thought 111 00:08:20.079 --> 00:08:22.199 of it when I was reading this article. Is that, like one of 112 00:08:22.199 --> 00:08:26.680 my closest friends just became the general manager at her rock climbing gym. She 113 00:08:26.879 --> 00:08:31.319 has no kids, she's never been married, doesn't isn't in a relationship, 114 00:08:31.600 --> 00:08:33.799 doesn't seem to have an interest in any of those things, and it's perfectly 115 00:08:33.840 --> 00:08:37.440 happy. If anybody asked me, which they didn't, I would say that 116 00:08:37.480 --> 00:08:43.279 she is successful. She seems successful, and it has nothing to do with 117 00:08:43.559 --> 00:08:46.639 being a mother, being a wife, having a family. It has nothing 118 00:08:46.679 --> 00:08:50.919 to do with any man or any other person except her and what she wants 119 00:08:50.960 --> 00:08:54.440 to do. And she became the manager because she just likes to work, 120 00:08:54.639 --> 00:08:58.919 she likes to rock climb. She did those two things together and that's what's 121 00:08:58.919 --> 00:09:03.360 fulfilling for her. I agree with what you said. People who want to 122 00:09:03.399 --> 00:09:05.840 be homemakers, who want to be mothers, who want to be wives and 123 00:09:05.840 --> 00:09:09.360 stay at home. That's perfectly fine. It's the idea of placing a value 124 00:09:09.440 --> 00:09:15.919 judgment on which of those things is right or better or the ought that's when 125 00:09:15.919 --> 00:09:20.440 we start to have issues. Yeah, I really found this really kind of 126 00:09:22.159 --> 00:09:24.919 insulting that he would say this at a commencement speech. Hey, women, 127 00:09:24.960 --> 00:09:28.600 you went to college, you got yourself a degree, But who the fuck 128 00:09:28.600 --> 00:09:31.000 cares? You got to stay home and take care of the kids anyway. 129 00:09:31.399 --> 00:09:33.039 You know what, I have something I want to say to that though, 130 00:09:33.080 --> 00:09:35.320 because well, you know what, I was going to just ask you what 131 00:09:35.480 --> 00:09:39.600 that if you thought this was an inherent problem with religion today and the way 132 00:09:39.639 --> 00:09:43.480 it treats women, Oh, of course, man. Religion has to order 133 00:09:43.519 --> 00:09:48.320 itself, and religion needs victims, right, and it looks inside of itself. 134 00:09:48.360 --> 00:09:52.480 It's like a virus almost, you know, the way that religion kind 135 00:09:52.480 --> 00:09:56.759 of spreads. It needs to kind of infect people. It needs a host, 136 00:09:56.360 --> 00:10:00.559 and it makes hosts out of women, it makes hosts out of children. 137 00:10:01.000 --> 00:10:05.960 It allows itself to stay, to stay in place because it's got people 138 00:10:05.000 --> 00:10:11.679 that can keep the order, keep the order intact. And this is not 139 00:10:11.759 --> 00:10:15.759 something that's going to go away. Women are attacked in every religion, right, 140 00:10:15.960 --> 00:10:18.840 and I've said that before, and I've seen comments on my videos where 141 00:10:18.879 --> 00:10:22.559 people say, Okay, well, what about the religions that are good for 142 00:10:22.639 --> 00:10:26.399 women? Which ones name one, call me and let's talk about it, 143 00:10:26.480 --> 00:10:31.559 because I don't know what you're talking about. And so I do want to 144 00:10:31.600 --> 00:10:35.799 say on that note that you we don't have to say, well, women 145 00:10:35.000 --> 00:10:39.159 can work or be at home. They can do both, right. You 146 00:10:39.200 --> 00:10:45.720 know, society is a little bit harder on women because of their natural child 147 00:10:45.759 --> 00:10:50.919 rearing role that they often take on and having the baby close to them for 148 00:10:50.039 --> 00:10:56.360 longer and earlier on. We as a society need to be able to compliment 149 00:10:56.399 --> 00:11:00.399 them to make life easier for them. But you know what, like you 150 00:11:00.440 --> 00:11:03.240 said, you know, we have experience with working women. I know female 151 00:11:03.279 --> 00:11:11.000 commanders, generals that have children that are incredibly influential to other people that our 152 00:11:11.120 --> 00:11:15.679 country would be worse off if they were not in the leadership roles that they 153 00:11:15.720 --> 00:11:20.519 were in, and religion would systematically remove them from that by subjugating them to 154 00:11:20.600 --> 00:11:24.480 men. So there's my long answer on that. I just want to reiterate 155 00:11:24.639 --> 00:11:30.320 women have children and work, you know, do what you want to do, 156 00:11:30.320 --> 00:11:33.480 don't do any of it, but to kind of pigeonhole somebody to an 157 00:11:33.519 --> 00:11:37.840 either or scenario is just wrong. Okay, now I'm going to try to 158 00:11:37.960 --> 00:11:43.279 drag the drag Cynthia back in again. We have an election to worry about, 159 00:11:43.399 --> 00:11:46.960 we have innocence being slaughtered in other parts of the world, and the 160 00:11:48.000 --> 00:11:52.039 big thing everyone was worrying about for a few days was something that this kicker 161 00:11:52.120 --> 00:11:54.240 said. Do you feel like this was kind of a distraction from things that 162 00:11:54.279 --> 00:11:58.399 were going on? It can be if you let it. I think that 163 00:11:58.840 --> 00:12:03.120 even though that he said the things that he said, and I know that 164 00:12:03.159 --> 00:12:07.440 there's like bigger issues other than the Kickers' ideologies from nineteen fifty two, I 165 00:12:07.480 --> 00:12:13.759 think that it's important to still be able to highlight these things because we're still 166 00:12:13.840 --> 00:12:18.840 just feeling women, especially disparities when it comes to how we show up in 167 00:12:18.879 --> 00:12:24.080 workplaces and still having to balance homewise. I was listening to an NPR story 168 00:12:24.120 --> 00:12:30.320 today about childcare and about how expensive me going through that right now? Oh 169 00:12:30.399 --> 00:12:35.240 gosh, I know. And it's still the women who take the brunt of 170 00:12:35.480 --> 00:12:41.480 childcare issues and making sure you're paying for it, oftentimes trying to work additional 171 00:12:41.960 --> 00:12:46.919 hours and things of that nature in order for you to afford it. And 172 00:12:46.960 --> 00:12:52.960 it was even reported that childcare is oftentimes coming up as twenty percent of a 173 00:12:52.000 --> 00:12:56.360 person's income instead of maybe being six or seven percent, which it ought to 174 00:12:56.399 --> 00:13:00.399 be. And you could and that's a lot of attributing factor, right, 175 00:13:01.320 --> 00:13:05.720 And it's not to negate anything else that's going on in the world that we 176 00:13:05.759 --> 00:13:11.600 should be very much so aware of speaking up about being an ally to those 177 00:13:11.639 --> 00:13:18.360 who are experiencing suffering around the world. I'm very conscious of that, but 178 00:13:18.399 --> 00:13:22.399 I also have to be conscious of the brunt of the burden that is being 179 00:13:22.480 --> 00:13:28.039 placed, especially on women themselves, when it comes to having to walk this 180 00:13:28.240 --> 00:13:33.399 line of making sure that if you are a parent, that you're the best 181 00:13:33.440 --> 00:13:35.639 parent in the world, that you're keeping a roof over your head. And 182 00:13:35.679 --> 00:13:41.360 also, you know, we had a very long tradition of people working, 183 00:13:41.720 --> 00:13:45.679 like when you are in a multiple generational home, or even if you are 184 00:13:45.720 --> 00:13:50.039 in a two parent home where both parents are working versus just one parent actually 185 00:13:50.080 --> 00:13:54.120 going to work in one parents staying at home, a lot of times that 186 00:13:54.279 --> 00:13:58.840 is not reality, that's not tenable, And especially like when you are looking 187 00:13:58.879 --> 00:14:03.360 at the cost of being in different cities around the United States, and how 188 00:14:03.440 --> 00:14:07.000 you have to keep up a certain you know, income level in order for 189 00:14:07.080 --> 00:14:11.039 you to afford things like food, shelter, transportation, insurance, et cetera, 190 00:14:11.120 --> 00:14:15.879 et cetera. And you know what, and the thing about this particular 191 00:14:15.919 --> 00:14:18.240 guy, Buckker, is that, yeah, you can do that. You 192 00:14:18.320 --> 00:14:22.639 are NFL kicker, you know, no pun intended, who is making millions 193 00:14:22.639 --> 00:14:26.600 of dollars a year. Yeah, you can afford to have kids and your 194 00:14:26.639 --> 00:14:31.960 wife can stay at home. That is not the reality for the majority of 195 00:14:33.080 --> 00:14:37.360 us that are living in the real world. Butker, so I need for 196 00:14:37.440 --> 00:14:41.639 you to actually, like I said, I'm hoping that the Kansas City chiefs 197 00:14:41.720 --> 00:14:46.440 are listening to, like somebody listen to this or listen to like the myriad 198 00:14:46.480 --> 00:14:52.679 of commentary about Buckker's commentary right and really get him into line saying that, 199 00:14:52.759 --> 00:14:56.480 hey guy, the craft that you are spewing is not the reality of life 200 00:14:56.639 --> 00:14:58.840 right now, okay, And you need to go ahead and dial it back 201 00:15:00.159 --> 00:15:03.320 because the people and especially for the people that are coming to our games who 202 00:15:03.399 --> 00:15:09.840 are supporting us, our average working class people, and you need to respect 203 00:15:11.080 --> 00:15:15.200 who they are, right And these are people that and a lot of times 204 00:15:15.320 --> 00:15:18.480 probably don't have our scraping together the money to go see one of these games. 205 00:15:18.559 --> 00:15:22.759 Right. These are people that are working three days a week just to 206 00:15:22.799 --> 00:15:26.399 pay their housing. Then they're working on Thursday to pay for the electric bill, 207 00:15:26.759 --> 00:15:30.639 and then on Friday and they're working to pay the phone bill and the 208 00:15:30.679 --> 00:15:33.279 gas bill, and then they have to go to work Saturday and Sunday to 209 00:15:33.279 --> 00:15:37.960 feed their family or watch the kids for two days during the week, two 210 00:15:37.080 --> 00:15:39.480 or three days during the week while the wife goes out and does it. 211 00:15:39.559 --> 00:15:45.000 So you're right, I don't think he has as much of a clue as 212 00:15:45.000 --> 00:15:48.679 what we're going through in that respect. Yeah, I would totally agree with 213 00:15:48.720 --> 00:15:52.960 that. Now, one of the things that really happened with this, there 214 00:15:52.000 --> 00:15:54.759 was a lot of backlash to the things he said. And I don't know 215 00:15:54.759 --> 00:15:58.840 if any of you looked at what right wing media said about the backlash, 216 00:16:00.159 --> 00:16:04.799 but they turn this not into an attack on Butker, but an attack on 217 00:16:06.080 --> 00:16:10.720 Christianity itself. And I wanted to get I wanted to get everybody's ideas on 218 00:16:10.840 --> 00:16:14.000 that. So Jimmy, let's start with you. Well, I think that 219 00:16:14.159 --> 00:16:21.000 it's easy to play the unoffended card, right when you have somebody that is 220 00:16:21.000 --> 00:16:26.440 a legitimate target that for the reasons that we all just listed would be completely 221 00:16:26.480 --> 00:16:30.759 torn down in an argument over the facts. Right, So you have this 222 00:16:30.840 --> 00:16:36.000 guy who is a clear representation, just through his comments alone, a clear 223 00:16:36.039 --> 00:16:40.519 representation of the socio economic divides in this country and the fact that the people 224 00:16:40.559 --> 00:16:42.440 on top don't really care about the people on the bottom, Right, they 225 00:16:42.440 --> 00:16:47.480 don't really care about the people who are suffering. We can have a conversation 226 00:16:47.519 --> 00:16:48.799 about that, and I can point to Butker all day long and say, 227 00:16:48.799 --> 00:16:52.399 look, this is exactly what people are rallying against when they talk about these 228 00:16:52.480 --> 00:16:56.679 kinds of issues. We can talk about how women are being oppressed, right, 229 00:16:56.919 --> 00:17:00.360 especially by religion, or how women have it harder in society. We 230 00:17:00.399 --> 00:17:03.160 could talk about that all day long as well. But you know what makes 231 00:17:03.160 --> 00:17:07.640 it more difficult is when a group of people get together and say, hey, 232 00:17:07.680 --> 00:17:11.720 you insulted my religion, and and you know they're they're That's the real 233 00:17:11.759 --> 00:17:17.200 distraction, right, that's the real distraction to take take eyes off of Butker, 234 00:17:17.240 --> 00:17:21.880 who was essentially and I'm going to air quote this a godsend UH for 235 00:17:22.160 --> 00:17:26.720 the conservatives and UH and the the Christian nationalists and nationalists in this country because 236 00:17:26.759 --> 00:17:32.240 Ironically, those are the people that were terrified that Taylor Swift was at the 237 00:17:32.240 --> 00:17:36.240 super Bowl because it made them look bad because she was more popular than their 238 00:17:36.279 --> 00:17:38.960 candidate, because she's more popular than a lot of them are. And here 239 00:17:40.079 --> 00:17:44.079 we have this guy who serves that role for them, and we can pick 240 00:17:44.160 --> 00:17:45.960 them apart easily, and they turn around and say, Okay, well now 241 00:17:47.000 --> 00:17:49.039 that's my religion. Uh, and it's just a cop out. Honestly, 242 00:17:49.240 --> 00:17:52.160 Eli, what do you think about this, the backlash that you know, 243 00:17:52.279 --> 00:17:56.240 the right wing media calling in an attack on religion, not on Butcker's actual 244 00:17:56.279 --> 00:18:00.960 speech. I think I agree with Jimmy's last point exactly. They're they're just 245 00:18:00.839 --> 00:18:04.200 and kind of like I've mentioned before, they were kind of just turning it 246 00:18:04.319 --> 00:18:11.000 into something else so that they can protect their religious views. Again, just 247 00:18:11.799 --> 00:18:15.559 so I really, I don't have very much of anything to add to what 248 00:18:15.640 --> 00:18:18.720 Jimmy said. It was pretty succeed it was very extinct. It's very clear 249 00:18:21.279 --> 00:18:23.599 to call it an attack on Christianity. I mean, every time I'm on 250 00:18:23.680 --> 00:18:29.000 it feels like I talk about that graphic with the umbrellas that describes the model 251 00:18:29.079 --> 00:18:33.480 for a godly or a christly marriage with and it always the idea of marriage 252 00:18:33.480 --> 00:18:37.519 and Christianity, or of women in Christianity is that they're subservient to men. 253 00:18:38.160 --> 00:18:44.319 And obviously all of his other things that he's you know, he talked about 254 00:18:44.400 --> 00:18:47.799 during this speech, they're all these ideas of Christianity. It's not that we're 255 00:18:47.839 --> 00:18:52.240 attacking the religions, that the ideas that you have because of it are bad 256 00:18:52.319 --> 00:18:55.359 ideas and we need to get rid of those. If you can have your 257 00:18:55.359 --> 00:18:59.359 religion without the bad parts, sure, but I think you get rid of 258 00:18:59.400 --> 00:19:02.160 the bad parts, don't have the religion anymore because all the good parts we 259 00:19:02.200 --> 00:19:06.319 can get from something else too. Cynthia, we started this segment with you, 260 00:19:06.359 --> 00:19:07.960 and I want to end it with you. I want to give us 261 00:19:07.000 --> 00:19:11.720 some final thoughts before we finish. Yeah, you know, in the end. 262 00:19:11.119 --> 00:19:17.680 But curse speech is just a stark reminder of the persistent class between progressive 263 00:19:17.720 --> 00:19:22.680 values and outdated and his comments have not only alienated a significant portion of the 264 00:19:22.799 --> 00:19:29.519 NFL's women they but also put him at odds with the league striving for inclusively. 265 00:19:30.079 --> 00:19:33.119 You know, the kicker, he really needs to remember that personal beats, 266 00:19:33.240 --> 00:19:37.279 beliefs are just that they're personal, and when you put them in a 267 00:19:37.279 --> 00:19:44.359 public platform, especially in such a regressive way, expect the world to kick 268 00:19:44.440 --> 00:19:48.200 back. No punitent. That was great. That was a great message for 269 00:19:48.799 --> 00:19:55.319 Butker. 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