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You're listening to the Downbeat on ninety
seven to one The Freak No see all

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right, Metroplex. The big news
of the day, of course, that

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the Cowboys announced last night that they
are retaining Mike McCarthy for the final year

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of his five year contract after that
disappointing playoff loss. We've let you weigh

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in. We've given our opinions,
but I think we should go to someone

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with a little bit of a better
background in this. Please welcome on the

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ninety seven one the Freak hot Line, making his Freak debut. You know

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him, you love him. Former
Dallas Cowboys head coach, the Great Dave

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Campo. WHOA, hello, coach? How you doing? I'm doing great,

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guys, And I don't know about
your intro though they loved me as

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an assistant coach, but we're real
excited about my head coaching career. Well,

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I'll say that, you know fair
again. I was probably about ten

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or twelve years old when that was
all going down. But what do you

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think of the news that came down
last night? You know, when I

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booked you for the show, they
hadn't quite announced what they were going to

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do. What are your thoughts on
the cow was keeping McCarthy for another year.

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Well, you know, it doesn't
surprise me. This is the first

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time Jerry really had to deal with
a situation where you know, you've got

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a coach that has really done a
don good job there when you look at

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the overall operation, you know,
twelve and five, twelve and five,

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twelve and five, and I know
that the playoffs are what's the most important.

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But there's no question that he had
to make a difficult decision there.

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You know, I do a sports
radio here in Jacksonville and really close with

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the Jaguars, and they have a
similar situation where they got rid of their

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defensive staff and Doug Peterson down here
felt that he probably can get off his

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fixed but he needed to retool the
defense. In Dallas, I think they

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feel that McCarthy's done a good job
with the offense, that he can fix

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what the problems are there, and
we'll probably get another job and they'll retool

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the defense. So I think it's
very similar Coach Campo here. Do you

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think it's because we all struggle with
this, right, like we're all passionate.

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Right when the game ends and the
Cowboys have a surprising loss to the

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Packers and it goes terribly. But
then you take a deep breath and you

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say, three straight twelve win seasons. I'man your guy who's coaching the league

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for three years, and you know
twelve win seasons would have been nice.

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But I mean, is it even
crazy to consider firing or screaming fire this

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man when he has had success,
albeit just regular season success. Yeah?

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I agree there, You know,
I don't think there's any It's pretty darn

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hard to fire a guy that's been
that successful with the team because obviously they've

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had some years where it's been a
struggle and it's consistent, you know,

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even with Jason there. You know, Jason had a lot of time there.

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But you know, one year it
was eight and eight, the next

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year it was eleven and five,
and it was eight and eight again.

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You know, McCarthy has done it
for three straight years, and there's no

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reason why he can't do that again. They just have to feel find a

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way to get in over the hump. One of the problems that I've always

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felt about Dallas, and you know, it's the good and the bad.

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When you look at Dallas, a
Dallas guy can do say, go see

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whatever he wants. There's so much
adulation with the Cowboys all over the world.

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You go to Japan, see the
Star, they all know that's the

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Dallas Cowboys. So accountability sometimes is
very difficult to get when you're in that

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situation because all you hear are positive, positive, positive, and there's something

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has to change in the culture for
them to go all the way. Coach

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Campbell, let me ask you this
is it as long as you've been,

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you know, connected with this league, a head coach in this league is

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there You've probably seen this before.
But is it probable that what happened on

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Sunday is a team exceeded everybody's expectations, likely played above their heads, maybe

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had a little bit better of a
game plan, and the team that was

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expected to win all facets of their
game, they just didn't show up.

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From coaching to offense, to defense
to special teams. They just had a

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bad day. And if you played
this game nine more times, the Cowboys

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win the majority of those. I
don't think there's any question that team showed

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up with a little bit more urgency. And you know, the one thing

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about Green Bay, you know,
I think you underestimate sometimes what a rookie

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quarterback could do. Especially that young
man. You know, he had a

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fantastic game, and the NFL is
like that, you know, what have

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you done for me lately? When
you try to compare. For example,

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you know, if you play a
team early in the season and then you

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play them the second time, you
expect it to be the same. But

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it normally because there's so much parody
in the league. You know, those

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guys on that other team get paid
the same way your guys do. So

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if you don't show up one hund
focused and what I saw, and again,

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guys, this is my opinion.
I watched the game on TV.

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I wasn't in the locker room,
I wasn't in practice all week, all

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that kind of stuff. But when
you look at Lamb the way he came

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out, there was just he was
out of sorts. And I don't know

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what the reason for it is,
but it just seemed like they underestimated green

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Bay and green Bay came in with
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now and we're going to keep it
going. And to follow up on that,

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where does the majority of the responsibility
fall on the Dallas Cowboys for the

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way they showed up in that game. I think on the coaching staff for

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sure, And you know, I
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not just the head coach. I
think the head coach's message has to be

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consistent all year. You know,
it doesn't do any good to go in

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and you know if they have a
bad day to rip them and do all

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this stuff. If that's not who
you are. You have to be consistent

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in your message, and your message
has to be that it doesn't matter what

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you did last week, it's what
you do this week. But the assistant

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coaches now, they're responsible for their
units, and I don't think people give

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the assistant coaches enough credit for what
they do. You know, the head

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coach a lot of times is a
CEO. It's a little bit different with

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McCarthy because he calls the plays and
he usually does a pretty good job doing

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that. But the assistant coach in
their unit knows their unit and they have

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to know the pulse of that group
going into every ballgame. And when something

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like that happens, like t happened
in that ball game, you know,

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you have to look at yourself and
you have to say, you know,

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what did I do as a coach, What did I do to make sure

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these guys understood the gravity of this
game and how important it is? Coach

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Campo. So you mentioned culture a
few minutes ago, and that's something that

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gets screamed around this area a lot. Is this team can't win with Jerry

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Jones. Obviously they did win with
Jerry Jones, but is a very very

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long time ago. But you've been
around enough other franchises in the game forever.

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What do you think about that?
Do you think the culture starts at

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the top and do you think Jerry
Jones specifically does anything or has created a

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culture that does inhibit or prevent this
team from winning big games or is that

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just something that people scream out loud
when things don't go this team's way.

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Well, I think Jerry Jones is
a different guy in Hell than he was

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when I was there. You know, when I was there, Jerry was

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you know, first of all,
he's a very very confident guy, and

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that's why everything he just turns the
gold. And you know, the owners

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are in a situation where you know
they want results, and you know,

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if a guy is as active as
Jerry is, you know, really being

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his GM, you know he's going
to have a factor in there, and

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you know he's going to be talking
to guys, and sometimes that can override

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the head coach's ability to be the
guy that's the king and the rootle.

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But I think he's I really believe
that he really understands that the coach has

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got to be the focal point.
And even though Jerry's out front and the

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media and all that kind of stuff, I don't think that really affects the

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team anymore. I think it did
at one time, but now I think

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he's in a position where he lets
talk about when I was there, he

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never mess with the coaching part of
it. It was all personnel. And

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I think the personnel in there with
Will McClay and is it they've got in

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here for the scouting department, they've
done a great job. So I think

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his influence negatively is a lot less
now than it would have been when he

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first got in. Man, that's
interesting. I sort of still on Jerry.

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I wanted to ask you, so, you were the head coach for

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three seasons. They're all five and
eleven seasons. I know you'd certainly love

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that number to be better, but
how does it feel? And I want

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to ask, I guess I'm considering
McCarthy this week, But how did it

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feel for you? And the weight
of not as many wins as you like,

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not the playoff appearances you're hoping for, but the weight of Jerry Jones

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and that family, and you start
to feel the clock might be ticking on

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your tenure. You know, how
does that feel? And does it feel

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different than with other franchises. Oh, it weighs on you, There's no

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question about it. Because one thing
about coaching, I know you guys have

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been around the game long enough to
know that when I took the job,

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I can give you an example.
When I took the job, I knew

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we were kind of in a transition
because we'd lost the triplets, and you

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know we were we were struggling at
quarterback. But the competitiveness of coach I

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felt I could get the job done
no matter what. And when you get

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into the situation where you can kind
of see it flipping away, it wears

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on you a little bit. But
the whole thing about coaching and and athletics

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in general is, you know,
it's not when you get knocked down,

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it's how you get up. And
so every week you you re energize yourself

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to get ready for that next ball
game. And I think the one thing,

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you know, Dak Prescott made the
comment afterwards after the ball game that

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you know, the super Bowl is
the goal. And he made the comment

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especially around here, you know,
because the expectations of Dallas, from the

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owner to the fans to the state
of Texas is so big that there's a

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lot of pressure and you know,
how you handle that is really important.

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And lastly, on Jerry, I
guess that's all incredible, coach, and

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we're happy to have you on.
This was a long time ago, so

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I might asking how how did you
get fired? Did Jerry Jones call you

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to his office? Is there a
phone call? Like? Uh, what

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does that feet? What does that
look like? Well, to be honest

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with you, had my office cleaned
out before he called me. Oh no,

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the engine running in the car.
Yeah no. Listen, my last

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time there was to talk to the
team and and go to uh to a

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press conference. But uh, he
called me over and let me just tell

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you about something about Jerry Jones.
You know, I've been through him twice

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and Jerry Jones loves the Dallas Cowboys
and he he really loves coaches to be

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perfectly honest with you. Uh,
I think that there were a few emotional

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moments when he talked to me in
his office with him and myself, and

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let me just say this, he
will take some heat because you know he

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actually when he let me go,
he's the one that brought me back,

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you know, five years later as
a defensive backfield coach, and so the

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loyalty part with him is definitely there. One of the reasons that we struggled

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at the end of when I got
in was he let his loyalty with some

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of the players last too long.
So to me, it was called over

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there. We talked for a while
and he made it very clear that he

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was as much of the problem as
I was, and just from a business

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standpoint, he had to make that
decision. This is a former Cowboys head

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coach, Dave Campo. So the
report this morning, Dave, is that

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the Cowboys aren't expecting dan Quinn to
return as defensive coordinator if he has not

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got a head coaching job. Can
you kind of walk us through what the

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interviewing process is, what dan Quinn's
been going through, because he's interviewed for

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four or five openings and he's also
in this weird world where again forty eight

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points were put on him, So
he's got a lot where you know,

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if that game's twenty one sixteen,
I don't think anyone around here is calling

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for you know, dan Quinn's head
or anything. But you see how bad

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that game got and how bad the
defense looked in that game. It's kind

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of a weird dynamic that he's dealing
with. I'll go back to this place,

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or but I'm trying to interview for
other jobs, but my defense looked

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bad. Like what all has dan
Quinn gone through in the last week.

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Well, first of all, if
they want him back, and I'm talking

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about the Cowboys, they're not going
to let let him go lateral move.

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You know, they have to.
They have to let your He's under contract,

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so that's not going to happen.
So you're really looking at just the

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head coaching scenario. And and we
always tell our guys, as a coach,

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you know, uh, you know, you have to own whatever happened.

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Then obviously, at the end of
a year, you're everybody on that

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ball club, including the players,
are auditioning. They're auditioning to be on

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the team next year or on another
team if they don't make the team next

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year. So that goes for the
coaches as well, and that was not

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a real good audition for whatever he's
going to do next. But at the

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same time, when you look at
guys and whether you're going to hire him

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or not, I'm hopeful, be
honest with you that it's the full body

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of work, and the full body
of work with the defense in Dallas has

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been pretty darn good with dan Quinn. So as far as coming back,

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I don't think he would have a
problem coming back because I think he has

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a good enough players there that after
one bad game, that's not going to

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destroy his feelings that he can make
this defense into something special. Coach,

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you said good players. I mean, I'm in the camp that I think

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Dak is a good player. But
there's something going on in the playoffs with

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the slow starts offensively, you know, let the league in touchdown passes.

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Undeniable, you know, Undeniable a
really good player. He may be a

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top five MVP candidate, but something
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involves some very pre curious, precarious
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with him and Ceedee Lamb in the
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with Dak Prescott? Do you consider
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lot of things you got to evaluate. What are your thoughts on that.

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There's a lot to unpack there.
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think they're going to move on problem
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Uh, you know, again,
it's the full body of work that you're

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looking at. You know, who
do you get you know, anytime,

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if you're going to retool with the
draft, you know that's a craft shoot,

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especially with first round quarterbacks if you
look over the years. Uh,

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you know, that's a that's a
difficult decision to make. Uh. But

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at the same time, I think
it's up to Dak Prescott to figure that.

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Obviously, like I said earlier,
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approach that everybody took where he and
Ceedee Lamb were not on the same page.

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I don't know what that is.
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Dak has to kind of look at
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to figure out, you know,
just what happened. And this this is

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a little bit of a trend unfortunately, because you know, I was here

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in Jacksonville in the press box when
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know, Dak throws an interception at
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the guy runs it in for a
touchdown and Jacksonville wins. So there's

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a little bit of a trend there
that in big moments, things are not

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happening. And let me make it
really clear, I love Dak as a

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leader. I was, you know, doing some media in Dallas when he

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was assigned when he first was drafted. Uh, and and I was around

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him, and I think he's got
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always those tools get sharpened the way
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he really has to look within himself
there. I think there's just something that's

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keeping this team from from winning the
big ones. Do you I don't want

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any names or anything, but are
there players that you can think of?

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Or is it true that some players
that are unquestionably very good players statistically with

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the eyeball test, very good players
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of playoff football versus the regular season. Well, I think that's that's part

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of human nature. Guys. I
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guys that were built that were born
ready. There's some guys that, you

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know, make themselves ready, and
there's some guys never get ready. So

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you know, when you look at
some guys, I mean, I don't

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know that you can do anything about
that. The only person that can do

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anything about that is the person he
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not you know, Wilton made the
situations. So I guess if you

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asked me about Pak Prescott, if
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I would I would be somewhat concerned
that there's a trend there. But at

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the same time, I would look
at his overall body of work and his

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talent, and I would try to
get him to see within himself whatever it

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is, whether he needs a a
person that counsels him every day or whatever,

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I would try to make it work. To be honest with you,

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Coach Campo, one more question here
before we let you go. So they're

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obviously keeping the band together. Dak's
not going anywhere. McCarthy's in place at

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least through the next year. Looking
at this team and the way it has

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gone in the playoffs for the last
three years, what would you do What

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do you see deficiency wise that could
start correcting those issues, whether it be

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personnel, defensive schemes, improving the
running game, maybe some assistant coaching changes

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or improvements. What do you see
that you would do, maybe a line

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item list of things that would be
priorities for you going into next season that

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you would do to ensure that this
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playoffs next year. Well, at
number one, I think they've got all

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the firepower that they need, you
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including that new tight end that I
love Ferguson. You know, They've

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got the firepower there to win.
I think their offensive line is pretty solid.

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All of those things are positive.
On offense, they to me,

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you know when you look at that, I've watched them in probably five games

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this year on TV, and I
honestly felt that offensively they had enough to

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go all away. And again,
it might be the quarterback situation. I

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don't know that I'm not there.
I think, if anything, I might

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have running back that you know,
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something to that backfield. You know, when they lost Zeke, you know,

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I think that was a little bit
of a factor because they had two

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guys that could kind of Pollard could
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that Zeke didn't and vice versa.
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of all, they got too small
in my opinion. You know when they

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lost the linebacker fifty five, Yeah, that hurtd in because they got small.

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And I'm not a big proponent of
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field when you've got a team that
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football like Green Bay did. So
that's something that I would look at.

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The Other thing I would look at
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has always been And I like Dan. I think he's an outstanding coach and

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a really good person. I love
the guy. But they played the run

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rushing the quarterback, you know,
in other words, that they're going to

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rush the quarterback and play the run
off of that, And sometimes that gives

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us some scenes in there because guys
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if you look at the way green
Bay attacked them this week, take a

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look at the end zone copy and
see how wide the lineman offensive linemen were

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lined up. They lined up really
wide, opening up inside gaps, and

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they don't have guys that play off
of blocks. They have guys that are

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attacking the line of scrimmage and that
sometimes opens up holes for the running game

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inside. So to me, I
think it's a little bit of scheme.

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I think if they had, you
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and they've got to stop the run, and they didn't do that very well

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this year, and I think it's
a combination of those things. Guys.

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Coach Campo, we appreciate your time
this morning. You're insight. Thank you

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so much, and we'll be seeing
you around the AAC. I appreciate it.

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Guys. Thanks for having me on
and go Cowboys. I'm a Cowboys

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fan. Awesome stuff, coach,
awesome stuff, but they do it all

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right. Thanks. Great to hear
from you. Rock on man. Hell

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yeah, okay, thanks guys.
See there he goes Coach Campo. I

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love this man. You know what
that was great? Yes, boned by

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Jerry was the one picking the groceries
at that time. Give Dave Campo this

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roster, well boyd all right,
okay, boys have messed up big time.

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I hired Dave coach awesome. Come
our next thingsh morning news. Yes,

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we're going to answer a couple of
questions Number one, What does it

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feel like to be trapped in an
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is pat saying ajack mailing it in
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