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Hi, Hi, I'm Talia and
I'm Anka and this is the Crazy Never

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Die Podcast. Welcome here, we
are, Here, we are. It

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is Las Vegas summer. I feel
like we got very lucky and had kind

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of a long intro into summer.
We had beautiful weather for a really long

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time, and then the weather was
like fucking hold my beer. Yeah.

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I feel like it's normally like,
okay, it's you know, low nineties,

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it creeps this way up and then
eventually it hits you know, the

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one hundred and teens, and this
is like eighty degrees and then next day

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was like one hundred and twelve.
Yeah, but I feel like we even

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have like ninety eight. It's one
hundred, one hundred and one hundred and

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two, Like we kind of hang
out there for a little bit and then

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it's like, oh, crazy,
one hundred and ten. And this summer

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it was like, okay, guys, it's gonna be one oh one,

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one five, one eight, one
oh ten or one ten, one ten.

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Here you go in one week.
So it's one hundred and ten.

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It was one hundred and ten when
I left work today and my watch actually,

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so where I live New Rose is
probably similar because you're outside of the

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city, it says a high of
one oh eight, but when I was

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in the city, it was a
high of one ten. Well, when

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I was in this city it was
and I last checked it was one hundred

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and thirteen. My car did say
it was one seventeen when I got in

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it. Yeah, and it's one
o nine by me. And I usually

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have a colder end of the because
I'm right at the base of the mountains.

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It's usually a little bit cooler here. But um so, here's the

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funny thing about the heat, which
really just really irks me, and it

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has nothing to do with the actual
temperature. It's that this man, I

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just I love him so much,
but he hasn't ran, not once.

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He hasn't gone running once, and
maybe at least six months. I think,

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okay, and I shit you not. This morning he sat straight up

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in bed when I was getting up, which is way earlier than he normally

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rises, and he was like,
hey, good morning. I was like,

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what are you What are you doing? And he's like, I'm going

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to go for a run. And
I was like, today, on the

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excessive heat warning day is the day
you want to run? And he was

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like, well, yeah, but
it's early. I was like, it's

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eighty seven out already, Like and
mind you, I feel like he does

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this once a year. He decides, today's the day I'm going to go

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run. It's always the hottest day
of the year. And it freaks me

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out because one year he forgot like
he like, he got so hot he

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forgot who he was. Oh my
god, that's scary. It was very

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kind of funny. But I mean, it's funny now looking back on it,

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but it was scary at the time. And so now I'm terrified every

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time he decides seems to go running
because it's always on the hottest day of

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the year, and I'm like,
what is wrong with you? That is?

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That's hilarious. It's I don't have
I'm trying to think about him.

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It's very concerning. I don't have
any funny like man heat Still, well,

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I guess I do, because I
just I told you one of them.

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So um, Logan and his business
partner, they host a car show

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the first and third, third Sunday, and this last Sunday on Saturday evening,

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Logan was like, I don't I
don't think I'm going to go tomorrow.

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And I was like, oh,
thank God, because I was trying

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to figure out how to bring it
up tactfully that I didn't really want to

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go, and if I did go, it was going to be for like

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thirty as long as it took me
to drink that iced coffee, was as

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long as if I was going to
be there. And He's like, no,

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I don't really want to go and
stand on the blacktop, you know,

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for like three hours. And right
now, Logan doesn't have a car,

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and so he was like, I'd
have to go with Tyler, and

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then I would have to be there
the whole time unless you wanted to drive

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me home. And I'm like,
no, no, no, it's fine,

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we won't. We won't go.
We won't go. So we're upstairs

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and we're watching the movie, and
I can hear we can hear Tyler like

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clinking around downstairs, like getting all
the things together for it, and I

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was like, God, bless that
man, putting all that shit together to

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go stand out in the excessive heat
warning just in case people want to bring

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their fancy cars. I was like, how many people do you think you're

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actually going to show up to this? Not very many? Like I'm sure,

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not very many people were there.
We weren't there. It was too

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hot. No, nothing. Well, so I can relate to that because

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Randy and his car friends they do
that. They get up really early,

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and they do tend to back off
when it starts to get into like one

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hundred and ten the team, right, Yeah, But other than that,

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they get up and go to these
car shows on the weekend so early,

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and I'm like, what are you
guys doing this for? It's so hot?

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But it is too it's too hot, and you end up going.

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I was telling Logan like, even
if we go and we were there for

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one hour, I would be wiped
out for the entire day, Like I'd

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be fucked up. Yeah, I'd
be a reason. Well okay, so

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then okay, so then run running
on the hot to say of the year.

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And then Randy decides, you know
what, let's get Vincent some driving

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time in And I was like,
yeah, it's hot at hell out,

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Um, I do not want to
be in the car on the hottest day.

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Not to mention the amount of like
stress that puts on a car,

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Like yeah, all I hear is
people's cars breaking down because of them overheating.

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So you want to do that with
my teenage son, who I can't

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like hardly breathe when we're in the
car with because I'm so petrified the entire

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time. It shoots my anxiety out
the roof. And then I'm supposed to

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go record the podcast after that.
Cool, Yeah, no problem. So

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I was like, if we take
Vincent driving because he likes to make him

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drive all the way to Ikea and
back, Okay, just like you guys.

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It's like an hour total best on
the freeway. Yeah, you guys

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go to fifteen all the way around. Yeah. Absolute, it hurts my

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soul so that gas as well to
be driving all the way out. They're

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just just for practice. It'd be
one thing if you're like, we need

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we need stuff at Ikea, so
you were going to drive to Ikea.

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We're gonna go shopping and then drive
home. But that's a long drive just

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to drive. What does really think? What does he think we're living back

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in the eighties and the nineties.
Iomy like, are we taking your car?

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And he was like, oh,
I'm not letting him drive my car.

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And I'm like, okay, you
do know that I drive twice this

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distance to work two and back every
day, right because it's just like a

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lot of gas, but it's fine, and so we drove it and it's

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it's just terrifying. He's not an
awful driver, but it's like he doesn't

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understand going up the inclines that like
you have to give it gas. So

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like up the inclines, we're going
like forty miles an hour, and then

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down the inclines He's not like,
oh I should break, so we're going

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like ninety and I'm just like closing
my eyes, like just terrified. And

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then Randy's like, we go to
Ikea and they do have a really big,

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large open parking space parking lot area, so he's making Vincent like do

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all of these figure eights in reverse, and I'm just like what is he

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trying to be a stunt driver?
I don't know. I'm just like,

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can we please go home? And
then they're like bickering about you know,

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like Randy's trying to convince Vincent to
grow out his facial hair and Vincent's explaining

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why he doesn't want facial hair,
and like that is the conversation as like

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I feel like we're side swiping cars
the whole way. What is that?

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What a pleasurable afternoon, you pad, Yeah, and it's so hot back

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there, too hot. It's too
hot to be to be doing anything,

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to be honest. Yeah. So
and then Randy gets on me because I'm

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always like, babe, when I
get home, I want to go for

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a walk. And so he's like, Okay, you want to go for

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a walk. I'm like, not
now, not after we just spent all

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this time in the heat and driving
in the heat. And no, I

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don't want to move now. That's
how I feel, too, like I

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have driven. So when I went
in because I had my first day of

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my internship today, so when I
went in it was it was warm,

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but not ridiculous because I went in
at nine. But then by the time

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I left and the time it took
me about thirty minutes to pick up Jojo

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and got home, I was like, I am just I have like sweat

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through my clothes. Yeah, and
I I mean, I have AC in

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my car, good AC. And
I went from AC to car to AC

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to car to AC in you know
that round trip. But yeah, I

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got home and I was like,
I have no more deodorant, Like I

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have sweat through gone, It's gone. All of my deodorant is gone.

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Like I am sweaty and I need
to get changed. So this is this

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is living in the desert for you. Well, I you know, I

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absolutely love the heat to be.
To be real, I love the heat.

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Okay, me so happy I'm not
being in the car. It can't

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be like this heat. Your fucking
liar. I don't believe you for one

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second. I literally got out.
So I literally got out of the car

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today with Randy and I was like, oh, I've been waiting for this.

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I love this heat. And he
was like, you bitch. The

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whole way over here. I was
like, I don't want to drive in

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it. I just like to sit
in it. No, yeah, I

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like like I like to be outside. I like to sit in the pool

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in this heat. I mean in
the pool in the shade in this heat

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is fine. No, I'm like
a lizard. I just want to land

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on a rock disgust. I'm gonna
look like Magda yeah huh, I'm gonna

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look like her when I'm gonna look
like a forty piece of tanned leather.

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Yeah. I put on so much
sunburn. I did get sunburned this weekend.

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I wasn't very proud of my ear
a little pink. Yeah, um

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yeah, I can see it on
your arms. I do not enjoy the

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heat. Um, because I was
taught. We were talking about it,

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and I was like, I like
living in the south pest. I like

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the bright because I don't enjoy like
the overcast and the rain and stuff like

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that. So like I like the
bright sunniness of living in the desert,

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Like that makes me really happy.
Um, this heat is oppressive and I

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do not enjoy it. Hey,
um, so this is too much.

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Like really, once we're getting into
the high nineties, that's really where my

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threshold is for like being outdoors or
sitting outdoors, or if there's no pool

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involved then like probably like ninety eight
ninety nine is really where I call it

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quits. Once we get into the
hundreds. If there's if I'm not sitting

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in water, fucking forget it.
I just love it, like I like

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to have like lightweight long sleeves on
my Clennon outfits on Like no, what,

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I don't know, I love it. I love the hot, like

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when it feels like an oven just
hits you. Like I love that,

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like it's so hot it burns like
your esophagus and your lungs, like,

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yeah, a little bit. That's
how. The other day when I was

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walking, I had to go to
the bathroom and our the bathroom is outside

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of the salon, and so we
have the door closed offs and I opened

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the door and it just like hit
me, like how it feels when you

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open an oven. Yeah, that's
exactly what it was. And I like

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it inhaled and I was like,
oh, this is awful. Then I

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scurried to the bathroom. When I
scurried back into this lawn, yeah,

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I like it. I just don't
like to be in the direct sunlight for

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a long amount of time, So
I don't mind it if I can get

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like in some shade um like a
little rattle snake. M Yeah, no,

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okay, there we are to reach
their own um. Well, but

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how do you feel about the cold
then? Are you like super anti cold?

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Yes? I hate the cold?
Well, I also hate the cold.

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Yeah, I hate I hate it. Well, okay, I would

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like it to be a medium temperature
all year round because I hate being cold

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and I hate being I hate being
super cold, and I hate being super

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hot. Well, maybe maybe that's
why I like the heat is because I

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hate the cold. Did I say, hate the heat. That's why I

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like the heat, because I hate
the cold so much that I would rather

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my skin be melting off than be
cold. Like, so every winter I

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get so sad. I get so
cold I can't say warm enough. I

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also have like really bad anemia,
so my hands and my feet are always

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frozen, like even right now they're
cold. So um. So I don't

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know. Maybe it's just like I
love that extreme difference because I'm like,

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it could be worse. It could
be freezing out, that's true, the

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inclement weather. I don't do that. I don't want that, all right.

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My face is dry from the cold, oh see, and I find

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that well, to be honest,
I guess it just depends on the because

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the extreme heat, Like I can
feel my face like dehydrating when I step

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outside. Yeah, and then in
this in the winter, like I get

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dry patches because it's just dry and
cold. Yeah. The desert will aid

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you. Hell yeah, if you
don't take good care of yourself, it

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will fucking aid you. Um all
right, So with that, um,

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if any of you live in Vegas, please please share with us how you

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feel about our excessive heat working.
Um, how are you hand? How

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are you handling it. I did
check the extended forecast, um, and

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uh, it's gonna pull down a
little bit and then it's gonna get hot

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again. And by cool down,
I mean one oh one, and then

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it'll jump back in a week.
So we are here on Las Vegas weather.

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Um, all right, so today
we're gonna be talking about Harry Wham,

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um, who was actually suggested to
me by our lovely Maddie um who

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I used to work with, and
she was the one that suggested this.

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And so, without further ado,
Harry Wham. Harry So what a name?

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Yeah? It is his real name, um, yeah, and all

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I can think of is George Michael. So wake me up before you go

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go. Yeah. Um. So
Harry Wham arrived in Las Vegas in nineteen

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forty nine and he is such a
fun character. He led a small orchestra

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at Club Bingo, which um today
is actually the site of Sahara Hotel and

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casino. Okay, which is now, what what did the Sahara turn into?

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Um? You're good at these,
you remember all of these. I

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know, but in my head I
just said Planet Hollywood. But that's not

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right. That was the Aladdin Okay, Okay, I'll look it up and

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tell you, okay, because I'm
like looking it up. No, so

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is it still? Listen, it's
not still the Sahara, is it?

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No? I don't think so.
No. All right, I'm gonna let

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you figure that out because I don't
remember, but I know it's not.

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I'm pretty sure it doesn't exist anymore. Um, It's okay, I only

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live. So in the late nineteen
fifties, Harry and his then wife Tory

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ran the Sportsman's Lounge, which was
located in Big Bear, California. So

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he came to Las Vegas. He
ran this little place in Big Bear.

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He also was a scuba expert and
he had his own school which was called

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Whamco Divers, which he established in
nineteenth in the nineteen fifties, so he's

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got his Sportsman's Lounge. He is
scuba expert. And eventually he did end

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up divorcing Tory and he married a
lady named Peggy, and in nineteen seventy

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nine they got a license to run
the Keyboard Lounge on Vegas Valley, which

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was just east of Marylyn Parkway.
It was attached to a Chinese restaurant and

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the entertainment was primarily provided by Harry
and Peggy, who performed under the name

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Stormy Yep. Okay, this Sahara
m is the SLS. Okay, that

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makes sense. Yeah, but it
sounds like they're calling it this Sahara again.

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Oh okay, that's what it confused
me because I like quickly brought it

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up, but it was like not
the right font yeah exactly, yeah,

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which is what threw me off too. But it looks like they're trying to

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They named they renamed it the SLS, and then it was like owned by

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a different company, and then it
looks like they want to start calling it

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this Sahara again. Okay, it's
a confusing place. But that's the side

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of it is where the SLS is. Okay, that makes sense okay.

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Um. So, Harry and Peggy's
marriage was a tumultuous one and they were

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well known to have very loud arguments
in front of their employees at the Keyboard

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Keyboard Lounge, and then in nineteen
eighty one, during one of their altercations,

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Peggy shot Harry in the arm.
Jesus, Yeah, Harry was not

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seriously hurt and he was at work. Um I believe it was actually can

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you imagine that your birthplace. Um, I believe toxic is the word comes.

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I'm picturing this at Bingo Club,
I keyboard lounge. Um, I

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believe it was. Um. So
anyway, Harry wasn't seriously injured by the

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shot in the arm, and he
stated that it was just just an accident.

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Um. And then in eight nineteen
eighty three, Harry was shot again

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and he was this time he was
wounded in the neck during a robbery at

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his home. Oh my gosh,
but wait, it gets better. Um.

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He shrugged it off. So this
man has now been shot twice and

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he's like me. And after a
brief stay in the hospital, Harry was

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back entertaining at the lounge. Wow. Really, Yeah, this guy's invincible.

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And then he was shot for the
third time and what proved to be

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his last. At four thirty on
February thirteenth, Harry arrived to his home

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to find somebody waiting for him.
He was shot in the head, but

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nothing was taken from the house,
and they when the police came, they

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found that he still had his wallet
on him. Neighbors later testified that they

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saw two men leave the house,
a white man and a black man.

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So Harry. You know we're gonna
get a little background on on old Harry.

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He was born on September twenty first
and ninth. Sorry, was born

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on September twenty, nineteen nineteen,
in Wilson, Oklahoma, to his mother,

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Iva, who was seventeen at the
time, and his father, Agnes,

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who was twenty one. Harry was
the oldest of three children. He

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had two younger sisters, Louise and
I believe it's Waylen Willen w e l

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why so in nineteen forty and I
actually got me Whalen, Wayleen Whalen.

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I don't know. I did actually
get to find or found the census records,

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so you get to stay the fancy
script and everything for nineteen nineteen.

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So in nineteen forty he lived in
LaBrea, California, with his mother,

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father, sisters, and a grandparent. He was a Navy civilian whose diving

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expertise dated back to nineteen forty one. He devised some of the earliest underwater

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diving equipment that was ever used in
Hawaiian waters. Wow, that's cool?

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Yeah? Is that cool? That
is Harry was one of less than one

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hundred divers in the world who was
qualified by the National Underwater Aquatic Institute at

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the time of his death, and
he had dived in every important body of

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water in the world. He was
an adventurer who dove for sunken treasure,

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but his primary interest was the development
and perfection of underwater equipment, instruction,

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and technique which he felt he could
that could be best achieved at Lake Mead,

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Okay, which is where it would
he'd be very disappointed and he would

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the type Oh I'm sure, yeah, don't even get me started. Yeah,

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so many because the Internet really came
through on that one. So it's

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interesting that I like, Lake Mead
has been an area for a lot of

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like weird things, right, like
this underwater diving, and then the air

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like Howard Hughes came and tested all
of his airplanes out here, right,

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So I don't know what it is
about, like me. But during World

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War Two, while serving in the
Navy, Harry was a member of the

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Underwater Demolition Dive Team, whose job
it was to clear the sea and beach

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of natural and man made obstacles.
This group was established after the bombing of

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Pearl Harbor and there were thirty of
these teams in existence. Harry had enlisted

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in the Navy in nineteen forty one
and then was released in nineteen forty five.

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Is that cool? That's really cool. He also was dangerous. I'm

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sure it is because you have to
deal with stuff that's exploded and stuff that's

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not exploded. Right. So Harry
was one of the first members and was

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instrumental in setting up the Lake Meat
Search and Rescue dive Team. He was

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also on the committee and was president
of the Clark County Water Safety Council.

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Okay, so he's doing a lot
more than just Bingo keyboard lounge. Yes

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from Bingo too though, right,
yes, club ingo. Sorry. Yeah,

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So when I started, when I
started reaching researching him, like he

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is just building like all of the
articles as like nightclub owner and you know,

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bar owner or whatever. And then
when I started researching him, I'm

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like, he's way more than just
a bar owner yea, or nightclub owner.

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I feel like that was his retirement, was nightclub owner, and then

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everything else that he did was his
like real yeah, it's like this might

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fund like his real passion. So
there were only two active certifying agencies in

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those days. There was a very
demanding and prestigious which is Laco LA County

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program and the national program which is
nowI the National Association of Underwater Dive Instructors.

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I don't know if la CEO exists
anymore, but now he does.

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And then Patty was an offshoot of
LACO and now he had appeared ten years

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later as a private enterprise, and
Harry was one of the very first now

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he instructors. Oh cool, okay, I know. So. At the

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time of his murder, the media
was sympathetic towards his wife. However,

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soon a conspiracy theory emerged and things
took a drastic turn bomb. It's always

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the angry way or husband. Well, it's it's always the wife did it

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or the husband did it. Yeah. So there was a follow up story

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in the paper stating that the police
thought that this might be a contract killing,

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and eventually four arrests were made and
it was Harry's stepdaughter Kathy Faultanowski,

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her boyfriend John Parker, his brother
Doug Parker, and Harry's wife Peggy.

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Huh. The four had paid a
man to carry out the shooting so Peggy

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could gain full control of the keyboard
lounge. That keyboard lounge man, So,

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how, yeah, does this happen? I always wonder, like,

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how does one find a contract killer? I don't you know. So I

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was watching I was puzzling, not
to get into our track. I was

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puzzling and listening to like twenty twenty
or Dateline in the background, and there

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was this guy, which, when
they described him, sound a lot like

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Randy just saying and I can't be
everything all at once. He can't be

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an alien and a contractuller. And
they were like, he's so quiet and

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calm, and like I was like
mhm. But anyways, this guy like

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randomly was like like he was just
in the area. And this older lady

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was like, I'm going to get
rid of my computer and was going to

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throw it in the trash and he's
like, if you don't mind, I'll

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take it. So she was like, yeah, no problem, and then

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she gave him her phone number to
call her if she had problems with her

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computer starting for him to use and
he did call and her hus her fiance

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at the time, answered and then
was like, Hey, do you want

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to kill my wife? I'll give
you five grand and he did what yes,

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And so it took them like twenty
seven years to put this murder together

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because it was so random. The
way they came together, that is incredibly

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random. Yeah. He was like, hey, who are you And he's

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like, oh, your wife or
fiance said I could have her computer and

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to give her call if it wasn't
you know, working, I just need

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her pass code or whatever to get
on and he was like, oh,

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okay, cool, And he said
that He talked to him for like fifteen

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minutes and asked him like questions about
himself, and then he was like,

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hey, if you're interested in making
some extra money. He didn't directly say,

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you can come up with my wife, but he was like, if

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she was to disappear, it would
be fine as long as it wasn't with

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a gun. And I have five
thousand dollars and he did it. What

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a risk? Right? The fuck
are these people living on the edge like

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that for you got a fifty fifty
chance somebody is going to be like yes,

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or I'm gonna hang up now and
call the fucking police. Hell yeah.

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And then okay, here's the worst
part. He never paid him for

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the contract. Yeah, and he
couldn't do anything about it. No,

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what are you gonna do him in
civil court? It was like a comedy.

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I was listening to. I couldn't
believe I had to stop my puzzle

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and turn around look at these people. But anyways God, that is God

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people or people or there are no
words. Yeah. So well, so

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how do you get to these conversations? I don't know. I guess you

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just jump on in. You know. It's almost like I think we might

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have had this conversation about like how
do serial killers find each other? Right?

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Like how do you broach that subject? Like do you like to tie

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people up and torture them? No? I was just kidding. I was

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kidding down No, now I don't
but if you're not joking, but I

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mean, like if you if you're
cool with it, like I'm cool,

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you're yeah, yeah, yeah,
no, no, no, no,

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no, of course not. Of
course that's crazy, Like how does that

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conversation happen? Like where you're looking
for a side gig? I have some

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random task to get done, right, do you want to? I got

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some errands? If you want to
help me dispose of this dead body in

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my trunk? Like are you cool
with that? It's really would the way

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these things happened. I just don't
understand. So in nineteen eighty two,

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Doug, So that is Harry's stepdaughter's
boyfriend's brother. Okay, found a hitman

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in New Jersey. Wow, I
don't know how, but that's farm.

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But of course they don't have the
money to pay him. So Doug asked

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Peggy for the money, who sweet
talked Harry into giving her the money.

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Wait, Harry the murder victim.
Yes, Harry paid for his own murder.

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The audacity, so she stole.
Well, he gave her the code

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to the safe and the keyboard lounge. So she went in and she took

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five thousand, five hundred dollars.
Um. Yeah, Doug gave part of

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the money to the hit man and
then bought a bunch of drugs and went

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to California like you do, um
So. In nineteen eighty three, a

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hit man by the name of John
Snow flew into Las Vegas, ambushed Harry

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in his home, and failed shot
Harry, but Harry survived. Now you

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may be wondering about Harry's wounded neck. Yeah, that was the That was

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the failed hit. Oh so in
eighty three, when Harry was originally shot

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in the neck, that was the
first murder attempt. This poor guy is

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just like he thinks he's the luckiest
man on earth because he keeps surviving death.

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He's just so after done hunting.
No, they're just like you're well,

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well, don't worry, we'll get
you. Yeah. So after this

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attack, a neighbor suggested that maybe
Harry clean out his garage and are parking

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inside, feeling that might be a
safer alternative to parking on the street.

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So John Parker, his stepdaughter Cathy's
boyfriend, helped with the clean out,

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but in this time strategically placed a
Christmas tree box in the garage where somebody

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could hide behind when the garage doors
opened. Okay, So in February,

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John Snow flew back to Vegas to
try again round two, and these you

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know what, I'm so black criminals
are so fucking dumb. So the brothers

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Doug and John set him up in
a motel right next to a redneck bar

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where John spent a lot. So
John spent a lot of time drinking gambling

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in this bar, and they set
John up there. There was more money

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needed to pay for this second hit, so Peggy again stole five thousand dollars

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from the safe rate. You accomplish
it or not, I guess according to

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your twenty twenty. Yeah, I
mean I didn't take place in the eighties.

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Is there inflation for these things?
No, this was not in the

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eighties, And I was wondering about
inflation because it's always just five grand.

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That must be an easy amount to
get your hands on. I guess,

409
00:31:17.440 --> 00:31:21.319
not for me, but for everyone
else in the world. Maybe if you

410
00:31:21.400 --> 00:31:25.079
wanted to murder somebody bad enough,
maybe hey, babe, when I get

411
00:31:25.119 --> 00:31:33.440
the code of your safe, then
okay. So anyway, so Peggy took

412
00:31:33.480 --> 00:31:40.839
five thousand dollars from the safe.
This time Harry confronted her and she denied,

413
00:31:40.960 --> 00:31:45.319
and then they had a big argument. Later, during a visit with

414
00:31:45.359 --> 00:31:47.880
his daughter, So Harry had a
daughter with his first wife, Tory,

415
00:31:48.720 --> 00:31:52.640
Harry confided that he thought Peggy had
taken out a hit on him. So

416
00:31:52.640 --> 00:31:56.920
he's putting the pieces together, right, money is missing, he is getting

417
00:31:56.960 --> 00:32:05.079
shot at a lot. So Peggy's
sister, Sally Cook, was racked with

418
00:32:05.119 --> 00:32:08.519
guilt and afraid since the Parkers had
threatened her and her family repeatedly. She

419
00:32:08.599 --> 00:32:13.160
did, however, call a friend
of hers, who, after hearing everything

420
00:32:13.160 --> 00:32:15.799
that she had to say, wasted
no time calling the police. So this

421
00:32:15.839 --> 00:32:22.200
is how, this is how they
were caught. Okay, despite this,

422
00:32:22.079 --> 00:32:27.160
and now everybody turned on Peggy.
So despite all of this, Sally did

423
00:32:27.200 --> 00:32:30.839
testify against Peggy, saying that Peggy
had plotted the murder with an alleged lover

424
00:32:30.960 --> 00:32:37.519
of hers and his brother Doug and
John Parker. She stated that she tried

425
00:32:37.519 --> 00:32:42.599
to talk Peggy out of it and
suggested to get a divorce, you know,

426
00:32:43.200 --> 00:32:47.759
you know, just take the normal, normal route. But obviously they

427
00:32:47.759 --> 00:32:52.880
would have to split everything fifty fifty, and Peggy said, and Peggy said,

428
00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:58.240
I quote, I have worked so
hard and I want it, I

429
00:32:58.319 --> 00:33:04.920
want it all. Wow, that's
just why. Then just stay married,

430
00:33:05.200 --> 00:33:08.880
like you're either really really greedy or
you just really want your independence, like

431
00:33:09.279 --> 00:33:14.839
right, pick pick one and the
thing you're still gonna get half, right,

432
00:33:15.160 --> 00:33:16.079
you know, And then if you
don't want to be in the marriage,

433
00:33:16.079 --> 00:33:20.640
like take your half and walk like
this is this is a lot.

434
00:33:21.119 --> 00:33:24.880
You don't have to nurse any more
gunshot wounds, right or strength and steal

435
00:33:24.920 --> 00:33:30.480
money to like murder some like murder
somebody. It's such an extreme thing.

436
00:33:30.200 --> 00:33:37.960
I agree, I'm good, um
so on feb right, just wait,

437
00:33:40.160 --> 00:33:46.519
maybe one day I'll end up poisoning
somebody. I'm so bad at life.

438
00:33:46.559 --> 00:33:52.519
There's no way. I'm like,
really bad at secrets. I'm like,

439
00:33:52.559 --> 00:33:55.000
hey, just so you know,
there's some oleander in your milk shape.

440
00:33:55.359 --> 00:34:05.079
You're like, I made people slightly
ill. Was On February thirteenth, nineteen

441
00:34:05.119 --> 00:34:08.119
eighty three, Harry arrived home and
drove into his garage. John Snow was

442
00:34:08.119 --> 00:34:12.519
waiting in the hiding space and shot
Harry four times in the head and face.

443
00:34:13.840 --> 00:34:16.760
Neighbors heard the commotion and saw Snow
running from the scene. When they

444
00:34:16.760 --> 00:34:20.280
went to check on Harry, he
was still alive, but by the time

445
00:34:20.320 --> 00:34:23.000
the paramedics arrived, he had passed
away from his injuries. Oh my gosh,

446
00:34:23.000 --> 00:34:25.519
she's just poor guy. I know. It's a really sad story,

447
00:34:25.880 --> 00:34:30.719
sadder than I thought it was going
to be. Peggy decided to go to

448
00:34:30.840 --> 00:34:37.559
trial and claiming narcissist, claiming she
didn't know anything about the murder plot,

449
00:34:38.119 --> 00:34:43.280
no clue, no clue, but
a whole bunch of people decided to testify

450
00:34:43.320 --> 00:34:46.840
against her, including her own father, Damn, and her sons like a

451
00:34:46.960 --> 00:34:52.280
peach. So Peggy was found guilty
of murder and the use of a deadly

452
00:34:52.320 --> 00:34:57.679
weapon and conspiracy. She received two
life sentences without the possibility of parole,

453
00:34:57.920 --> 00:35:01.119
and the Parker brothers plod out In
both received life with the possibility of parole.

454
00:35:01.920 --> 00:35:06.320
After the sentence, saying Sally,
her sister said, everyone is blaming

455
00:35:06.480 --> 00:35:10.920
or sat okay after the sentence,
saying Sally said, everyone is blaming me

456
00:35:10.960 --> 00:35:14.840
for this, And I feel that
both of my parents are responsible for this,

457
00:35:14.920 --> 00:35:16.920
and she should have gotten the help
that she needed when she was growing

458
00:35:17.039 --> 00:35:21.440
up. And I still feel that
it's unfair that she got life without parole

459
00:35:21.519 --> 00:35:24.400
because the Parkers were going to be
walking the streets in a few years and

460
00:35:24.480 --> 00:35:30.079
she's going to rotten hell for the
rest of her life. Um no,

461
00:35:30.199 --> 00:35:36.519
it's fair, right, Like,
look, I know that, like if

462
00:35:36.559 --> 00:35:42.280
you're the person that pulls the trigger, that's a problem, but like they

463
00:35:42.320 --> 00:35:45.119
wouldn't have been pulling the trigger if
you didn't pay him to do it,

464
00:35:45.239 --> 00:35:52.400
so like twice, Like that's hire
the same people you paid wild someone twice.

465
00:35:54.360 --> 00:36:00.199
So now I'm not blaming and I
don't ever want to like say that

466
00:36:00.280 --> 00:36:04.760
people like I'm not excusing Peggy's behavior. But according to a source, Peggy

467
00:36:04.840 --> 00:36:07.280
had suffered a terrible childhood. She
was beaten, molested, and raped all

468
00:36:07.320 --> 00:36:12.039
before the age of fifteen. She
subsequently became pregnant, was forced into a

469
00:36:12.079 --> 00:36:15.880
shotgun wedding. She wound up in
an abusive marriage with three children. She

470
00:36:16.000 --> 00:36:22.159
eventually remarried, found herself back in
another abusive relationship with one more child.

471
00:36:22.719 --> 00:36:25.840
Her third marriage wasn't much better,
and she had so many problems providing for

472
00:36:25.880 --> 00:36:30.960
her children that she often had to
place the four in foster care. Okay,

473
00:36:30.960 --> 00:36:35.519
but that's not her life with Harry, right, No, No,

474
00:36:35.679 --> 00:36:39.320
she met Harry later, So it
sounds like Harry was like probably the nicest

475
00:36:39.719 --> 00:36:44.760
of them. There's nothing there's nothing
in here and any of the research that

476
00:36:44.800 --> 00:36:49.159
I did about him like beating her
or anything like that. There was loud

477
00:36:49.559 --> 00:36:54.360
yelling he let her shoot him in
the arm, true, and at work

478
00:36:55.039 --> 00:37:00.239
paid for his own paid for his
own murder. Yeah, Like he's he's

479
00:37:00.239 --> 00:37:05.159
all right, He's not. He's
not the worst She's dealt with. It

480
00:37:05.199 --> 00:37:09.039
sounds like, no, definitely not
the worst. In nineteen ninety eight,

481
00:37:09.079 --> 00:37:13.400
Peggy was suffering from late stage cancer. She wasn't expected to live long,

482
00:37:13.440 --> 00:37:17.119
and her lawyer at the time,
our illustrious Mayor Oscar Goodman, secured her

483
00:37:17.119 --> 00:37:22.119
release and then she passed away.
In nineteen ninety nine. Yep, the

484
00:37:22.199 --> 00:37:28.440
Parker brothers were both parled in two
thousand and one, Kathy, the stepsisters

485
00:37:28.719 --> 00:37:32.760
step daughter, reached a plea deal
by agreeing to testify against the others and

486
00:37:32.840 --> 00:37:38.280
served two years in prison. And
the gunman, John Oliver Snow, was

487
00:37:38.320 --> 00:37:43.239
found guilty of murder in the first
degree and was sentenced to death by lethal

488
00:37:43.280 --> 00:37:46.239
injection. He has gone through multiple
appeals but still remains on death row.

489
00:37:46.960 --> 00:37:52.039
The Keyboard Lounge eventually became the Smugglers
In and was eventually shut down for a

490
00:37:52.079 --> 00:37:58.800
selling cocaine to patrons as you do, and the business was never reopened.

491
00:37:59.679 --> 00:38:01.800
Man, And that's our little story
about Harry Wham. It's a real short

492
00:38:01.840 --> 00:38:06.559
one. Yeah, but it's kind
it's sad too, because you know here

493
00:38:06.719 --> 00:38:08.800
it sound to me. What I
get from it is it he had a

494
00:38:08.840 --> 00:38:15.559
really big influence on this like divers
community world. He led a lot of

495
00:38:15.599 --> 00:38:17.079
things, he instructed a lot,
So I'm sure there was a lot of

496
00:38:17.079 --> 00:38:24.840
people that really like had fond close
like memories and feelings towards him. So

497
00:38:25.199 --> 00:38:28.840
yeah, absolutely, when I was
doing research, there was like a little

498
00:38:29.480 --> 00:38:34.039
his name popped up on like I
just a discussion form about diving, and

499
00:38:34.119 --> 00:38:38.800
there were people that had had him
or he was the person that certified them,

500
00:38:38.840 --> 00:38:42.039
and they were like, he was
such a good dude, and like

501
00:38:42.079 --> 00:38:45.400
I got certified by him, and
you know, because he died in the

502
00:38:45.400 --> 00:38:47.000
eighties, but he started doing this
stuff in the fifties, So there are

503
00:38:47.000 --> 00:38:52.239
people that are very much alive while
he was doing all of his running his

504
00:38:52.320 --> 00:38:53.719
diving school, because he had a
whole diving school, and so there are

505
00:38:53.719 --> 00:39:00.119
people that were actually physically certified by
him. Yeah, that's sad. That

506
00:39:00.320 --> 00:39:07.320
sucks. Yeah, right, So
that's the most idiot human to like fail

507
00:39:07.480 --> 00:39:13.119
at murdering him. I mean,
I mean she shot him once, she

508
00:39:13.199 --> 00:39:16.559
failed the second time when she hired
someone, and then was successful the third

509
00:39:16.559 --> 00:39:22.559
time. But it sounds like it's
possible that maybe if paramedics had gotten there

510
00:39:22.840 --> 00:39:27.840
a little bit sooner, he could
have survived. Yeah, they did say

511
00:39:27.880 --> 00:39:34.559
that he was alive when the when
the neighbors found him. Yeah, but

512
00:39:34.679 --> 00:39:37.280
I thought I had put this in
here, but I guess I had just

513
00:39:37.719 --> 00:39:39.960
had it in my brain to like
talk to you about it. I can't.

514
00:39:40.000 --> 00:39:43.599
I must have forgotten. But right
at the beginning, you know how

515
00:39:43.599 --> 00:39:45.199
I said like a black man and
a white man, we're running from the

516
00:39:45.239 --> 00:39:49.719
scene. Yeah, so I guess
I forgot to put it in here.

517
00:39:49.960 --> 00:39:53.320
So the the hitman was black,
and one of the reasons they were able

518
00:39:53.320 --> 00:39:59.480
to find him is because they set
him up right next to the redneck bar.

519
00:40:00.039 --> 00:40:02.119
He was like the only block dude
in this bar. Of course some

520
00:40:02.280 --> 00:40:07.320
runnecks are going to remember that,
so they were so, yeah, so

521
00:40:07.360 --> 00:40:09.960
he stuck out. I don't know
if I skipped it or like, I

522
00:40:10.000 --> 00:40:13.039
can't really I didn't. I didn't
mention it, but yeah, so that

523
00:40:13.119 --> 00:40:15.360
was also like how they got caught
because they people were like, do you

524
00:40:15.360 --> 00:40:19.400
remember do you know this guy and
the bar? The bar pagers like fuck,

525
00:40:19.440 --> 00:40:24.119
yeah, we remember this guy.
He wasn't from around here. Yeah,

526
00:40:24.119 --> 00:40:30.519
oh boy man. They just really
they were dirty. Do you know

527
00:40:30.559 --> 00:40:36.320
what? Criminals are so fucking dumb
and I appreciate their levels of stupidity.

528
00:40:37.159 --> 00:40:43.079
You're not wrong. I watched enough
to crime. No, there's just some

529
00:40:43.199 --> 00:40:45.199
wild things that I've been seeing lately, and I'm just like, really,

530
00:40:46.760 --> 00:40:52.960
you couldn't have done better than that. Harry Wham. Yeah, that's the

531
00:40:52.960 --> 00:40:57.159
story of Harry Wham. Poor guy. He didn't deserve it. No,

532
00:40:58.400 --> 00:41:02.519
and he had been divorced before,
right, Yeah, so he was married

533
00:41:02.679 --> 00:41:06.800
and divorced. He had a daughter
with his first wife, and then his

534
00:41:06.880 --> 00:41:12.920
second marriage was to Peggy. He
would have just let her have the divorce.

535
00:41:13.039 --> 00:41:15.760
He would have been upset, but
he just would have gone to diving

536
00:41:15.800 --> 00:41:20.800
of a lot and fine. Yeah, yeah, I don't think it would

537
00:41:20.800 --> 00:41:25.119
have been she was. She's obviously
disturbed. Anybody who jumps like that is

538
00:41:25.159 --> 00:41:29.360
a far leap to make. So
anybody that decides like, I don't want

539
00:41:29.360 --> 00:41:34.280
to be married anymore, let's kill
him like that is that's far to go.

540
00:41:37.559 --> 00:41:42.400
No, for sure, m I's
selling her lap tab. Would you

541
00:41:42.440 --> 00:41:47.079
murder her? Would you murder her? That's fascinating. Um. Yeah.

542
00:41:47.119 --> 00:41:51.519
So that's the story of Harry Wham. A little guy, A little little

543
00:41:51.519 --> 00:41:57.960
story. Okay, I've got I'm
working on I thought so. I know

544
00:41:58.000 --> 00:42:00.440
it's a little one, but I
thought it was interesting. I have been

545
00:42:00.480 --> 00:42:07.360
working on an episode about her.
Blitztein Um okay, an enforcer for Tony

546
00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:16.440
Spilatro of the Las Vegas mob Um. He is depicted in the movie Casino.

547
00:42:17.360 --> 00:42:21.320
Okay, he's he's in there.
He's been nasty. Little one,

548
00:42:21.400 --> 00:42:24.920
isn't he no that, Well,
Tony Spilatro is Joe Pesci. Okay,

549
00:42:24.960 --> 00:42:32.079
never mind. In Casino, um
no, her Blitztein worked for UM for

550
00:42:34.239 --> 00:42:38.400
Tony and he is depicted. It's
it's like a combination of two actual real

551
00:42:38.480 --> 00:42:44.840
people in casino. That or so
it's one character and casino that are made

552
00:42:44.880 --> 00:42:49.320
up of two real people. Okay, gotcha? Does that makes sense?

553
00:42:49.880 --> 00:42:58.159
Yeah? Yeah, So he's got
a fun, fun Vegas story. Okay,

554
00:42:58.559 --> 00:43:09.239
I'm I've been researching a circus lay
performers death. Is it like a

555
00:43:09.360 --> 00:43:15.159
conspiracy? Like? What is it? It's not really briefly, but like

556
00:43:15.239 --> 00:43:21.280
what what? What drew you to
the story? Well, when I was

557
00:43:21.440 --> 00:43:25.519
little, I saw a trapeze artist
in the circus fall. Oh my god,

558
00:43:25.599 --> 00:43:31.199
Anica. Okay. We we lived
in Florida. We used to go

559
00:43:31.239 --> 00:43:35.719
the circus like every weekend, and
I saw this lady, She's gorgeous every

560
00:43:35.760 --> 00:43:38.360
weekend on the trapeze and she fell
and I don't really know what happened to

561
00:43:38.400 --> 00:43:45.679
her, but she was unconscious and
ambulances came and so I don't know what

562
00:43:45.719 --> 00:43:49.039
happened from there. But I was
thinking about that one day and I was

563
00:43:49.039 --> 00:43:51.639
like, oh my gosh, out
of all the shows and things that go

564
00:43:51.719 --> 00:43:54.320
on here in Vegas, have we
ever had like something like that happened here.

565
00:43:54.880 --> 00:44:00.199
So then I started researching and actually, like, they're pretty sack if

566
00:44:00.599 --> 00:44:07.320
there's been some major injuries and some
close calls, but this is really the

567
00:44:07.400 --> 00:44:13.320
only death like in a performance that
I could find, And there's not really

568
00:44:13.320 --> 00:44:17.519
a conspiracy, but they really don't
understand like what could have happened. So

569
00:44:17.559 --> 00:44:23.519
there's a couple of theories on what
happened, and they were super like safety

570
00:44:23.559 --> 00:44:30.519
conscience conscious, So it was just
a really unfortunate, wild event that and

571
00:44:30.559 --> 00:44:34.719
it was in twenty thirteen, so
not too long ago. But it's another

572
00:44:34.719 --> 00:44:37.440
one of those things I just had
never heard of. And a friend I

573
00:44:37.480 --> 00:44:43.360
was talking about this Trappe's incident with
a friend who is a performer, and

574
00:44:43.400 --> 00:44:45.519
they were like, Hey, what
about this. It's like I never heard

575
00:44:45.559 --> 00:44:51.960
about that. So there is a
case that I would like to cover down

576
00:44:52.000 --> 00:44:53.760
the road Logan and actually asked me
if I was going to cover it,

577
00:44:53.800 --> 00:45:00.039
and it was it's about a I
think it's a county commissioner who murdered a

578
00:45:00.119 --> 00:45:07.239
reporter here in Nevada in like Carson
City. I think it was because he

579
00:45:07.280 --> 00:45:15.880
was gonna publish an expose on him, and so he murders this journalist swears

580
00:45:15.920 --> 00:45:22.280
to God it's not him. Has
decided. He's like fired every attorney that

581
00:45:22.280 --> 00:45:27.679
he had, has decided to represent
himself. And that's kind of where we're

582
00:45:27.679 --> 00:45:29.360
at because Logan was like, are
you going to cover this? And I

583
00:45:29.400 --> 00:45:31.000
was like, I don't like to
cover stories unless they're done, like they're

584
00:45:31.000 --> 00:45:35.719
wrapped up, Like I don't want
to cover this until there's like a full

585
00:45:36.719 --> 00:45:39.519
conviction or whatever. That looks like, so I'm waiting for that to wrap

586
00:45:39.639 --> 00:45:45.039
up. But yeah, he just
decided and then like DNA was found on

587
00:45:45.159 --> 00:45:49.880
him, all this stuff, and
he is still his defenses that somebody impersonated

588
00:45:50.000 --> 00:46:00.000
him and Vegas defense and the judge
in the court room, god bless.

589
00:46:00.119 --> 00:46:06.960
I was like, you understand that
I do not advise you to represent yourself.

590
00:46:07.000 --> 00:46:09.320
This is a murder case. This
is not you know, like do

591
00:46:09.360 --> 00:46:15.519
you understand the ramifications? And she
like kept like hammering it and like,

592
00:46:15.760 --> 00:46:17.400
I don't think you should do this. This is a bad idea. People

593
00:46:17.400 --> 00:46:22.840
don't represent themselves in murder cases,
Like you're not like a criminal attorney,

594
00:46:22.920 --> 00:46:24.119
Like this is not a good plan. And he's like, no, I

595
00:46:24.119 --> 00:46:25.719
can do it. I can do
it. I can do it. And

596
00:46:25.800 --> 00:46:31.639
she's like, okay, it's your
right to defend yourself. So all right,

597
00:46:31.920 --> 00:46:38.199
here we go. I'm sure he's
like fuck yeah. They're like,

598
00:46:38.360 --> 00:46:42.920
let him do it. And oh
when I found this, hold on,

599
00:46:42.960 --> 00:46:47.800
I got to grab it. Okay, because I'm vamping for time because we're

600
00:46:47.840 --> 00:46:51.800
at forty five minutes. Okay.
No, actually I found this Las Vegas

601
00:46:51.840 --> 00:46:55.159
Weekly a fucking long time ago,
and then I've totally forgot about it and

602
00:46:55.199 --> 00:47:06.159
then refound it and it is a
a group of local philanthropists that UM have

603
00:47:06.360 --> 00:47:10.360
come together to solve cold cases.
Oh that's kind of cool, So hold

604
00:47:10.360 --> 00:47:15.840
on, let me get it because
I March. This is how long I've

605
00:47:15.840 --> 00:47:20.719
been holding because I like tucked it
away so I could talk about it on

606
00:47:20.760 --> 00:47:22.119
the podcast and then totally forgot about
it and then was cleaning and was like,

607
00:47:22.159 --> 00:47:28.079
oh, I forgot I had this, And it was because I had.

608
00:47:28.159 --> 00:47:36.440
We did the story of um fuck
her name escapes me, UM the

609
00:47:36.559 --> 00:47:43.800
girl that was recently identified. Yeah, I can't remember her name. UM,

610
00:47:44.679 --> 00:47:46.039
look at it, look at it
while I well, I try to

611
00:47:46.199 --> 00:47:52.960
find this UM not Kim Bryant.
Yeah, Kim Bryant. Yeah, yeah,

612
00:47:52.039 --> 00:47:58.119
Kim Bryant. Kim Bryant. So
I read it because here we go,

613
00:47:58.440 --> 00:48:00.000
Here we go. I got the
article. So it's a whole group

614
00:48:00.000 --> 00:48:06.119
of people, um, and it
is one, two, three, four

615
00:48:06.199 --> 00:48:10.840
or five six of them from Las
Vegas. Like one of them Isum the

616
00:48:12.840 --> 00:48:20.920
part owner of Latti Ltti. She's
a Thai restaurant owner, Okay, and

617
00:48:21.159 --> 00:48:24.199
just a whole bunch of like there's
Justin Wu and like, there's just a

618
00:48:24.199 --> 00:48:28.840
whole bunch of people on here.
And they are the ones that donate the

619
00:48:28.880 --> 00:48:34.920
money to get these cold cases solved. Oh hell yeah. And I just

620
00:48:34.960 --> 00:48:38.000
thought that was so cool. And
so they were they were instrumental because I

621
00:48:38.039 --> 00:48:45.239
remember Um mentioning that the a philanthropist, Justin Wu had donated the money to

622
00:48:45.920 --> 00:48:53.039
fund Kim Bryant's cold case or genetic
DNA testing and it was actually this group,

623
00:48:53.199 --> 00:49:00.079
not just him. Huh. And
um, yeah, they've managed to

624
00:49:00.239 --> 00:49:05.239
sold like six cold cases here huh. Lotus of Siam. There we go,

625
00:49:05.480 --> 00:49:08.400
part owner of Lotus of Siam.
Oh really yeah, they're really good.

626
00:49:08.400 --> 00:49:12.119
That's where we had our Christmas party
because they're really good friends with Annie

627
00:49:12.119 --> 00:49:15.199
and Eddie. UM delicious food amazing, amazing. If you guys want good

628
00:49:15.199 --> 00:49:19.519
tie food, Lotus of Siam is
amazing. UM. But yeah, so

629
00:49:19.599 --> 00:49:23.559
just a whole, like really interesting
group of people. UM. And it's

630
00:49:23.639 --> 00:49:30.960
in the Las Vegas the March the
March episode or edition of UM Las Vegas

631
00:49:30.960 --> 00:49:37.039
Weekly. What is the name of
the co owner of Lotus of Siam.

632
00:49:37.599 --> 00:49:42.760
Her name is Penny Chatima. Okay, next time I talked to them,

633
00:49:42.760 --> 00:49:45.920
I'm gonna let them know that we
do a podcast when we really want to

634
00:49:45.960 --> 00:49:50.280
be a part of this. Yeah, we'll find time to solve cold cases

635
00:49:50.320 --> 00:49:52.480
too. Oh my god, if
I could solve a cold case, that

636
00:49:52.480 --> 00:49:55.880
would just like I could die happy. It'd be really nice. It'd be

637
00:49:55.920 --> 00:50:00.079
really really cool. So yeah,
and here we go. So I'm trying

638
00:50:00.119 --> 00:50:04.800
to like figure out, like trying
to read through it real quick to find

639
00:50:04.800 --> 00:50:07.599
out who's who. But like one
of the guys on this particular group is

640
00:50:07.719 --> 00:50:13.719
the found the founder of Tillies.
Oh wow, okay, cool, yep,

641
00:50:14.039 --> 00:50:16.639
there's UM. One of the guys
is the owner of real estate agency

642
00:50:16.960 --> 00:50:22.280
Huntington and Ellis UM. Another guy, Greg Woods, is the president's president

643
00:50:22.360 --> 00:50:30.639
of Syrus Aviation. UM because it
says about it says that it's about five

644
00:50:30.760 --> 00:50:37.599
thousand dollars to run the tests.
Wow, um, I want to know

645
00:50:37.639 --> 00:50:43.119
who the rest of them the rest
of them are? But yeah, so

646
00:50:43.159 --> 00:50:47.039
I thought that was really interesting.
That's really quoil. That's really interesting.

647
00:50:47.199 --> 00:50:53.480
Yeah. I didn't realize that it
was a whole like group. That's all

648
00:50:53.519 --> 00:50:58.679
right. I want to figure out
who set that apartment complex on fire,

649
00:50:58.960 --> 00:51:01.239
that's what, right, that was
not too far away from my house.

650
00:51:01.719 --> 00:51:06.920
Yeah, I want to see about
that. It was nuts. There's some

651
00:51:06.960 --> 00:51:09.440
weird things going on around here.
Do you think you really think? You

652
00:51:09.480 --> 00:51:14.159
think it was some sort of weird
thing. I don't know. All I

653
00:51:14.280 --> 00:51:19.000
know is that I didn't I was
out of town when it happened. I

654
00:51:19.119 --> 00:51:22.079
drove by like two days later,
and they were still putting it out and

655
00:51:22.119 --> 00:51:28.119
there was just four three or four
elevator shafts, like completely fine, and

656
00:51:28.199 --> 00:51:31.599
everything else completely down to the ground. I just felt like it was probably

657
00:51:31.639 --> 00:51:38.199
insurance fraud. Okay, that was
that's it. That's where my brain went

658
00:51:38.280 --> 00:51:40.519
to. I don't Maybe I'm right, maybe I'm wrong. I don't know.

659
00:51:40.920 --> 00:51:45.800
Well, I want to be criminal. Once told me that I want

660
00:51:45.840 --> 00:51:50.800
to be criminal. I'm not naming
any names, okay, though that's fair.

661
00:51:51.239 --> 00:51:53.880
They once told me that if you
light a bag of Frido's on fire,

662
00:51:55.400 --> 00:52:00.679
it's enough oil to keep burning,
but it'll incinerate enough it won't leave

663
00:52:00.719 --> 00:52:04.639
a trail of what started the fire. And so I just really want a

664
00:52:04.760 --> 00:52:09.559
freedo fire on my list of topics. Someday. I would actually like to

665
00:52:09.599 --> 00:52:15.800
test that theory by throwing it in
a barrel, okay, and see what

666
00:52:15.840 --> 00:52:21.880
happens. I'm also if you set
is this like an urban legend? I

667
00:52:21.920 --> 00:52:25.719
have no idea. These are the
intelligent conversations I have with the people around

668
00:52:25.719 --> 00:52:37.239
me. Um student no, okay, grown educated human in my life on

669
00:52:37.280 --> 00:52:45.239
the regular, educated though, yes, but not an alien. Okay,

670
00:52:46.760 --> 00:52:52.400
Well, I mean it does say
that turns out that Freedo's are actually not

671
00:52:52.440 --> 00:52:57.079
a favorite snack, but also make
great kindling if you need to build a

672
00:52:57.320 --> 00:53:04.440
fire. There's a lot of like
blog somatic God, yes, arsonists use

673
00:53:04.480 --> 00:53:07.639
o say this is from the Daily
Mail says is from England. Arsenists use

674
00:53:07.719 --> 00:53:12.280
bags of crisps to start fires because
the fat is so flammable that it creates

675
00:53:12.360 --> 00:53:22.000
a potent and untraceable accelerant. Is
what the fuck? Oh so I want

676
00:53:22.039 --> 00:53:28.000
to know? And the owner of
those apartments bought a bag of fritos from

677
00:53:28.039 --> 00:53:32.039
Sam's Club and when at it,
apparently it's well, this is well known

678
00:53:32.079 --> 00:53:40.119
amongst prison populations, of course,
oh my god. To investigate how potent

679
00:53:40.440 --> 00:53:45.599
a pack of crisps can be as
a fire accelerant, forensic scientists Emily Duffin

680
00:53:45.599 --> 00:53:51.000
and Linda Brownlow of the University of
green of Greenwich, London experimented by setting

681
00:53:51.039 --> 00:53:57.840
ten different types of crisps on fire. See there's something to this. This

682
00:53:57.920 --> 00:54:01.480
is a fantastic experiment that I would
really really love to be a part of.

683
00:54:02.280 --> 00:54:08.920
We'll have to try it out and
take pictures. So they found that

684
00:54:09.000 --> 00:54:15.679
each individual crisp burns for an average
of about seventy six seconds. Okay,

685
00:54:16.920 --> 00:54:22.360
so if you lay him out in
a little circle, this is bananas.

686
00:54:23.760 --> 00:54:27.960
Deritos are also they catch fire easily. They burn long enough and a high

687
00:54:28.000 --> 00:54:30.599
enough temperatures to help get a fire
started, or at least help it's help

688
00:54:30.679 --> 00:54:35.639
on its way. I mean a
lot of these things that I'm reading are

689
00:54:35.639 --> 00:54:42.519
suggesting that you use it like for
camping kindling, because yes, they should

690
00:54:42.519 --> 00:54:45.199
not suggest it for inches. Yeah, I mean a lot of them are

691
00:54:45.239 --> 00:54:47.719
like, you know, put it
underneath your you know your you can start

692
00:54:47.760 --> 00:54:53.360
a fire. But yeah, this
is bananas. I did not know this.

693
00:54:54.800 --> 00:55:01.119
We do not in any way condoned
or suggest the use of any chip

694
00:55:01.239 --> 00:55:06.400
or chip substance to start a fire
unless you are in need of kindling when

695
00:55:06.440 --> 00:55:13.079
you are camping emergencies, only when
all other options are yes, not available.

696
00:55:13.599 --> 00:55:15.960
And then, as I'm going through
this, and right at the bottom

697
00:55:15.960 --> 00:55:20.679
of my Google search isn't as a
recipe for freedo pie. Thank you,

698
00:55:21.079 --> 00:55:27.199
Thank you Google, as it should
be. Well, you know, if

699
00:55:27.239 --> 00:55:29.840
you guys made it all the way
through to the end of this, hopefully

700
00:55:29.880 --> 00:55:34.159
you are delighted by the subtle tidbit
of information as I am. Yep,

701
00:55:35.840 --> 00:55:43.039
freeds fredos. All right, Well, um, I think that about wraps

702
00:55:43.039 --> 00:55:45.840
it up until next time. Until
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703
00:55:45.840 --> 00:55:49.840
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704
00:55:49.920 --> 00:55:52.760
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705
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706
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707
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708
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709
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710
00:56:09.599 --> 00:56:14.800
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Have a great rest of your day and

711
00:56:15.000 --> 00:56:19.760
week and fourth July. Be safe
out there and we'll we'll see you soon.

712
00:56:21.760 --> 00:56:25.880
Now you say bye bye, we
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713
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