Hi, Hi, I'm Talia and I'm Anka and this is the Crazy Never
Die Podcast. Welcome here, we are, Here, we are. It
is Las Vegas summer. I feel like we got very lucky and had kind
of a long intro into summer. We had beautiful weather for a really long
time, and then the weather was like fucking hold my beer. Yeah.
I feel like it's normally like, okay, it's you know, low nineties,
it creeps this way up and then eventually it hits you know, the
one hundred and teens, and this is like eighty degrees and then next day
was like one hundred and twelve. Yeah, but I feel like we even
have like ninety eight. It's one hundred, one hundred and one hundred and
two, Like we kind of hang out there for a little bit and then
it's like, oh, crazy, one hundred and ten. And this summer
it was like, okay, guys, it's gonna be one oh one,
one five, one eight, one oh ten or one ten, one ten.
Here you go in one week. So it's one hundred and ten.
It was one hundred and ten when I left work today and my watch actually,
so where I live New Rose is probably similar because you're outside of the
city, it says a high of one oh eight, but when I was
in the city, it was a high of one ten. Well, when
I was in this city it was and I last checked it was one hundred
and thirteen. My car did say it was one seventeen when I got in
it. Yeah, and it's one o nine by me. And I usually
have a colder end of the because I'm right at the base of the mountains.
It's usually a little bit cooler here. But um so, here's the
funny thing about the heat, which really just really irks me, and it
has nothing to do with the actual temperature. It's that this man, I
just I love him so much, but he hasn't ran, not once.
He hasn't gone running once, and maybe at least six months. I think,
okay, and I shit you not. This morning he sat straight up
in bed when I was getting up, which is way earlier than he normally
rises, and he was like, hey, good morning. I was like,
what are you What are you doing? And he's like, I'm going
to go for a run. And I was like, today, on the
excessive heat warning day is the day you want to run? And he was
like, well, yeah, but it's early. I was like, it's
eighty seven out already, Like and mind you, I feel like he does
this once a year. He decides, today's the day I'm going to go
run. It's always the hottest day of the year. And it freaks me
out because one year he forgot like he like, he got so hot he
forgot who he was. Oh my god, that's scary. It was very
kind of funny. But I mean, it's funny now looking back on it,
but it was scary at the time. And so now I'm terrified every
time he decides seems to go running because it's always on the hottest day of
the year, and I'm like, what is wrong with you? That is?
That's hilarious. It's I don't have I'm trying to think about him.
It's very concerning. I don't have any funny like man heat Still, well,
I guess I do, because I just I told you one of them.
So um, Logan and his business partner, they host a car show
the first and third, third Sunday, and this last Sunday on Saturday evening,
Logan was like, I don't I don't think I'm going to go tomorrow.
And I was like, oh, thank God, because I was trying
to figure out how to bring it up tactfully that I didn't really want to
go, and if I did go, it was going to be for like
thirty as long as it took me to drink that iced coffee, was as
long as if I was going to be there. And He's like, no,
I don't really want to go and stand on the blacktop, you know,
for like three hours. And right now, Logan doesn't have a car,
and so he was like, I'd have to go with Tyler, and
then I would have to be there the whole time unless you wanted to drive
me home. And I'm like, no, no, no, it's fine,
we won't. We won't go. We won't go. So we're upstairs
and we're watching the movie, and I can hear we can hear Tyler like
clinking around downstairs, like getting all the things together for it, and I
was like, God, bless that man, putting all that shit together to
go stand out in the excessive heat warning just in case people want to bring
their fancy cars. I was like, how many people do you think you're
actually going to show up to this? Not very many? Like I'm sure,
not very many people were there. We weren't there. It was too
hot. No, nothing. Well, so I can relate to that because
Randy and his car friends they do that. They get up really early,
and they do tend to back off when it starts to get into like one
hundred and ten the team, right, Yeah, But other than that,
they get up and go to these car shows on the weekend so early,
and I'm like, what are you guys doing this for? It's so hot?
But it is too it's too hot, and you end up going.
I was telling Logan like, even if we go and we were there for
one hour, I would be wiped out for the entire day, Like I'd
be fucked up. Yeah, I'd be a reason. Well okay, so
then okay, so then run running on the hot to say of the year.
And then Randy decides, you know what, let's get Vincent some driving
time in And I was like, yeah, it's hot at hell out,
Um, I do not want to be in the car on the hottest day.
Not to mention the amount of like stress that puts on a car,
Like yeah, all I hear is people's cars breaking down because of them overheating.
So you want to do that with my teenage son, who I can't
like hardly breathe when we're in the car with because I'm so petrified the entire
time. It shoots my anxiety out the roof. And then I'm supposed to
go record the podcast after that. Cool, Yeah, no problem. So
I was like, if we take Vincent driving because he likes to make him
drive all the way to Ikea and back, Okay, just like you guys.
It's like an hour total best on the freeway. Yeah, you guys
go to fifteen all the way around. Yeah. Absolute, it hurts my
soul so that gas as well to be driving all the way out. They're
just just for practice. It'd be one thing if you're like, we need
we need stuff at Ikea, so you were going to drive to Ikea.
We're gonna go shopping and then drive home. But that's a long drive just
to drive. What does really think? What does he think we're living back
in the eighties and the nineties. Iomy like, are we taking your car?
And he was like, oh, I'm not letting him drive my car.
And I'm like, okay, you do know that I drive twice this
distance to work two and back every day, right because it's just like a
lot of gas, but it's fine, and so we drove it and it's
it's just terrifying. He's not an awful driver, but it's like he doesn't
understand going up the inclines that like you have to give it gas. So
like up the inclines, we're going like forty miles an hour, and then
down the inclines He's not like, oh I should break, so we're going
like ninety and I'm just like closing my eyes, like just terrified. And
then Randy's like, we go to Ikea and they do have a really big,
large open parking space parking lot area, so he's making Vincent like do
all of these figure eights in reverse, and I'm just like what is he
trying to be a stunt driver? I don't know. I'm just like,
can we please go home? And then they're like bickering about you know,
like Randy's trying to convince Vincent to grow out his facial hair and Vincent's explaining
why he doesn't want facial hair, and like that is the conversation as like
I feel like we're side swiping cars the whole way. What is that?
What a pleasurable afternoon, you pad, Yeah, and it's so hot back
there, too hot. It's too hot to be to be doing anything,
to be honest. Yeah. So and then Randy gets on me because I'm
always like, babe, when I get home, I want to go for
a walk. And so he's like, Okay, you want to go for
a walk. I'm like, not now, not after we just spent all
this time in the heat and driving in the heat. And no, I
don't want to move now. That's how I feel, too, like I
have driven. So when I went in because I had my first day of
my internship today, so when I went in it was it was warm,
but not ridiculous because I went in at nine. But then by the time
I left and the time it took me about thirty minutes to pick up Jojo
and got home, I was like, I am just I have like sweat
through my clothes. Yeah, and I I mean, I have AC in
my car, good AC. And I went from AC to car to AC
to car to AC in you know that round trip. But yeah, I
got home and I was like, I have no more deodorant, Like I
have sweat through gone, It's gone. All of my deodorant is gone.
Like I am sweaty and I need to get changed. So this is this
is living in the desert for you. Well, I you know, I
absolutely love the heat to be. To be real, I love the heat.
Okay, me so happy I'm not being in the car. It can't
be like this heat. Your fucking liar. I don't believe you for one
second. I literally got out. So I literally got out of the car
today with Randy and I was like, oh, I've been waiting for this.
I love this heat. And he was like, you bitch. The
whole way over here. I was like, I don't want to drive in
it. I just like to sit in it. No, yeah, I
like like I like to be outside. I like to sit in the pool
in this heat. I mean in the pool in the shade in this heat
is fine. No, I'm like a lizard. I just want to land
on a rock disgust. I'm gonna look like Magda yeah huh, I'm gonna
look like her when I'm gonna look like a forty piece of tanned leather.
Yeah. I put on so much sunburn. I did get sunburned this weekend.
I wasn't very proud of my ear a little pink. Yeah, um
yeah, I can see it on your arms. I do not enjoy the
heat. Um, because I was taught. We were talking about it,
and I was like, I like living in the south pest. I like
the bright because I don't enjoy like the overcast and the rain and stuff like
that. So like I like the bright sunniness of living in the desert,
Like that makes me really happy. Um, this heat is oppressive and I
do not enjoy it. Hey, um, so this is too much.
Like really, once we're getting into the high nineties, that's really where my
threshold is for like being outdoors or sitting outdoors, or if there's no pool
involved then like probably like ninety eight ninety nine is really where I call it
quits. Once we get into the hundreds. If there's if I'm not sitting
in water, fucking forget it. I just love it, like I like
to have like lightweight long sleeves on my Clennon outfits on Like no, what,
I don't know, I love it. I love the hot, like
when it feels like an oven just hits you. Like I love that,
like it's so hot it burns like your esophagus and your lungs, like,
yeah, a little bit. That's how. The other day when I was
walking, I had to go to the bathroom and our the bathroom is outside
of the salon, and so we have the door closed offs and I opened
the door and it just like hit me, like how it feels when you
open an oven. Yeah, that's exactly what it was. And I like
it inhaled and I was like, oh, this is awful. Then I
scurried to the bathroom. When I scurried back into this lawn, yeah,
I like it. I just don't like to be in the direct sunlight for
a long amount of time, So I don't mind it if I can get
like in some shade um like a little rattle snake. M Yeah, no,
okay, there we are to reach their own um. Well, but
how do you feel about the cold then? Are you like super anti cold?
Yes? I hate the cold? Well, I also hate the cold.
Yeah, I hate I hate it. Well, okay, I would
like it to be a medium temperature all year round because I hate being cold
and I hate being I hate being super cold, and I hate being super
hot. Well, maybe maybe that's why I like the heat is because I
hate the cold. Did I say, hate the heat. That's why I
like the heat, because I hate the cold so much that I would rather
my skin be melting off than be cold. Like, so every winter I
get so sad. I get so cold I can't say warm enough. I
also have like really bad anemia, so my hands and my feet are always
frozen, like even right now they're cold. So um. So I don't
know. Maybe it's just like I love that extreme difference because I'm like,
it could be worse. It could be freezing out, that's true, the
inclement weather. I don't do that. I don't want that, all right.
My face is dry from the cold, oh see, and I find
that well, to be honest, I guess it just depends on the because
the extreme heat, Like I can feel my face like dehydrating when I step
outside. Yeah, and then in this in the winter, like I get
dry patches because it's just dry and cold. Yeah. The desert will aid
you. Hell yeah, if you don't take good care of yourself, it
will fucking aid you. Um all right, So with that, um,
if any of you live in Vegas, please please share with us how you
feel about our excessive heat working. Um, how are you hand? How
are you handling it. I did check the extended forecast, um, and
uh, it's gonna pull down a little bit and then it's gonna get hot
again. And by cool down, I mean one oh one, and then
it'll jump back in a week. So we are here on Las Vegas weather.
Um, all right, so today we're gonna be talking about Harry Wham,
um, who was actually suggested to me by our lovely Maddie um who
I used to work with, and she was the one that suggested this.
And so, without further ado, Harry Wham. Harry So what a name?
Yeah? It is his real name, um, yeah, and all
I can think of is George Michael. So wake me up before you go
go. Yeah. Um. So Harry Wham arrived in Las Vegas in nineteen
forty nine and he is such a fun character. He led a small orchestra
at Club Bingo, which um today is actually the site of Sahara Hotel and
casino. Okay, which is now, what what did the Sahara turn into?
Um? You're good at these, you remember all of these. I
know, but in my head I just said Planet Hollywood. But that's not
right. That was the Aladdin Okay, Okay, I'll look it up and
tell you, okay, because I'm like looking it up. No, so
is it still? Listen, it's not still the Sahara, is it?
No? I don't think so. No. All right, I'm gonna let
you figure that out because I don't remember, but I know it's not.
I'm pretty sure it doesn't exist anymore. Um, It's okay, I only
live. So in the late nineteen fifties, Harry and his then wife Tory
ran the Sportsman's Lounge, which was located in Big Bear, California. So
he came to Las Vegas. He ran this little place in Big Bear.
He also was a scuba expert and he had his own school which was called
Whamco Divers, which he established in nineteenth in the nineteen fifties, so he's
got his Sportsman's Lounge. He is scuba expert. And eventually he did end
up divorcing Tory and he married a lady named Peggy, and in nineteen seventy
nine they got a license to run the Keyboard Lounge on Vegas Valley, which
was just east of Marylyn Parkway. It was attached to a Chinese restaurant and
the entertainment was primarily provided by Harry and Peggy, who performed under the name
Stormy Yep. Okay, this Sahara m is the SLS. Okay, that
makes sense. Yeah, but it sounds like they're calling it this Sahara again.
Oh okay, that's what it confused me because I like quickly brought it
up, but it was like not the right font yeah exactly, yeah,
which is what threw me off too. But it looks like they're trying to
They named they renamed it the SLS, and then it was like owned by
a different company, and then it looks like they want to start calling it
this Sahara again. Okay, it's a confusing place. But that's the side
of it is where the SLS is. Okay, that makes sense okay.
Um. So, Harry and Peggy's marriage was a tumultuous one and they were
well known to have very loud arguments in front of their employees at the Keyboard
Keyboard Lounge, and then in nineteen eighty one, during one of their altercations,
Peggy shot Harry in the arm. Jesus, Yeah, Harry was not
seriously hurt and he was at work. Um I believe it was actually can
you imagine that your birthplace. Um, I believe toxic is the word comes.
I'm picturing this at Bingo Club, I keyboard lounge. Um, I
believe it was. Um. So anyway, Harry wasn't seriously injured by the
shot in the arm, and he stated that it was just just an accident.
Um. And then in eight nineteen eighty three, Harry was shot again
and he was this time he was wounded in the neck during a robbery at
his home. Oh my gosh, but wait, it gets better. Um.
He shrugged it off. So this man has now been shot twice and
he's like me. And after a brief stay in the hospital, Harry was
back entertaining at the lounge. Wow. Really, Yeah, this guy's invincible.
And then he was shot for the third time and what proved to be
his last. At four thirty on February thirteenth, Harry arrived to his home
to find somebody waiting for him. He was shot in the head, but
nothing was taken from the house, and they when the police came, they
found that he still had his wallet on him. Neighbors later testified that they
saw two men leave the house, a white man and a black man.
So Harry. You know we're gonna get a little background on on old Harry.
He was born on September twenty first and ninth. Sorry, was born
on September twenty, nineteen nineteen, in Wilson, Oklahoma, to his mother,
Iva, who was seventeen at the time, and his father, Agnes,
who was twenty one. Harry was the oldest of three children. He
had two younger sisters, Louise and I believe it's Waylen Willen w e l
why so in nineteen forty and I actually got me Whalen, Wayleen Whalen.
I don't know. I did actually get to find or found the census records,
so you get to stay the fancy script and everything for nineteen nineteen.
So in nineteen forty he lived in LaBrea, California, with his mother,
father, sisters, and a grandparent. He was a Navy civilian whose diving
expertise dated back to nineteen forty one. He devised some of the earliest underwater
diving equipment that was ever used in Hawaiian waters. Wow, that's cool?
Yeah? Is that cool? That is Harry was one of less than one
hundred divers in the world who was qualified by the National Underwater Aquatic Institute at
the time of his death, and he had dived in every important body of
water in the world. He was an adventurer who dove for sunken treasure,
but his primary interest was the development and perfection of underwater equipment, instruction,
and technique which he felt he could that could be best achieved at Lake Mead,
Okay, which is where it would he'd be very disappointed and he would
the type Oh I'm sure, yeah, don't even get me started. Yeah,
so many because the Internet really came through on that one. So it's
interesting that I like, Lake Mead has been an area for a lot of
like weird things, right, like this underwater diving, and then the air
like Howard Hughes came and tested all of his airplanes out here, right,
So I don't know what it is about, like me. But during World
War Two, while serving in the Navy, Harry was a member of the
Underwater Demolition Dive Team, whose job it was to clear the sea and beach
of natural and man made obstacles. This group was established after the bombing of
Pearl Harbor and there were thirty of these teams in existence. Harry had enlisted
in the Navy in nineteen forty one and then was released in nineteen forty five.
Is that cool? That's really cool. He also was dangerous. I'm
sure it is because you have to deal with stuff that's exploded and stuff that's
not exploded. Right. So Harry was one of the first members and was
instrumental in setting up the Lake Meat Search and Rescue dive Team. He was
also on the committee and was president of the Clark County Water Safety Council.
Okay, so he's doing a lot more than just Bingo keyboard lounge. Yes
from Bingo too though, right, yes, club ingo. Sorry. Yeah,
So when I started, when I started reaching researching him, like he
is just building like all of the articles as like nightclub owner and you know,
bar owner or whatever. And then when I started researching him, I'm
like, he's way more than just a bar owner yea, or nightclub owner.
I feel like that was his retirement, was nightclub owner, and then
everything else that he did was his like real yeah, it's like this might
fund like his real passion. So there were only two active certifying agencies in
those days. There was a very demanding and prestigious which is Laco LA County
program and the national program which is nowI the National Association of Underwater Dive Instructors.
I don't know if la CEO exists anymore, but now he does.
And then Patty was an offshoot of LACO and now he had appeared ten years
later as a private enterprise, and Harry was one of the very first now
he instructors. Oh cool, okay, I know. So. At the
time of his murder, the media was sympathetic towards his wife. However,
soon a conspiracy theory emerged and things took a drastic turn bomb. It's always
the angry way or husband. Well, it's it's always the wife did it
or the husband did it. Yeah. So there was a follow up story
in the paper stating that the police thought that this might be a contract killing,
and eventually four arrests were made and it was Harry's stepdaughter Kathy Faultanowski,
her boyfriend John Parker, his brother Doug Parker, and Harry's wife Peggy.
Huh. The four had paid a man to carry out the shooting so Peggy
could gain full control of the keyboard lounge. That keyboard lounge man, So,
how, yeah, does this happen? I always wonder, like,
how does one find a contract killer? I don't you know. So I
was watching I was puzzling, not to get into our track. I was
puzzling and listening to like twenty twenty or Dateline in the background, and there
was this guy, which, when they described him, sound a lot like
Randy just saying and I can't be everything all at once. He can't be
an alien and a contractuller. And they were like, he's so quiet and
calm, and like I was like mhm. But anyways, this guy like
randomly was like like he was just in the area. And this older lady
was like, I'm going to get rid of my computer and was going to
throw it in the trash and he's like, if you don't mind, I'll
take it. So she was like, yeah, no problem, and then
she gave him her phone number to call her if she had problems with her
computer starting for him to use and he did call and her hus her fiance
at the time, answered and then was like, Hey, do you want
to kill my wife? I'll give you five grand and he did what yes,
And so it took them like twenty seven years to put this murder together
because it was so random. The way they came together, that is incredibly
random. Yeah. He was like, hey, who are you And he's
like, oh, your wife or fiance said I could have her computer and
to give her call if it wasn't you know, working, I just need
her pass code or whatever to get on and he was like, oh,
okay, cool, And he said that He talked to him for like fifteen
minutes and asked him like questions about himself, and then he was like,
hey, if you're interested in making some extra money. He didn't directly say,
you can come up with my wife, but he was like, if
she was to disappear, it would be fine as long as it wasn't with
a gun. And I have five thousand dollars and he did it. What
a risk? Right? The fuck are these people living on the edge like
that for you got a fifty fifty chance somebody is going to be like yes,
or I'm gonna hang up now and call the fucking police. Hell yeah.
And then okay, here's the worst part. He never paid him for
the contract. Yeah, and he couldn't do anything about it. No,
what are you gonna do him in civil court? It was like a comedy.
I was listening to. I couldn't believe I had to stop my puzzle
and turn around look at these people. But anyways God, that is God
people or people or there are no words. Yeah. So well, so
how do you get to these conversations? I don't know. I guess you
just jump on in. You know. It's almost like I think we might
have had this conversation about like how do serial killers find each other? Right?
Like how do you broach that subject? Like do you like to tie
people up and torture them? No? I was just kidding. I was
kidding down No, now I don't but if you're not joking, but I
mean, like if you if you're cool with it, like I'm cool,
you're yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no, no, no,
no, of course not. Of course that's crazy, Like how does that
conversation happen? Like where you're looking for a side gig? I have some
random task to get done, right, do you want to? I got
some errands? If you want to help me dispose of this dead body in
my trunk? Like are you cool with that? It's really would the way
these things happened. I just don't understand. So in nineteen eighty two,
Doug, So that is Harry's stepdaughter's boyfriend's brother. Okay, found a hitman
in New Jersey. Wow, I don't know how, but that's farm.
But of course they don't have the money to pay him. So Doug asked
Peggy for the money, who sweet talked Harry into giving her the money.
Wait, Harry the murder victim. Yes, Harry paid for his own murder.
The audacity, so she stole. Well, he gave her the code
to the safe and the keyboard lounge. So she went in and she took
five thousand, five hundred dollars. Um. Yeah, Doug gave part of
the money to the hit man and then bought a bunch of drugs and went
to California like you do, um So. In nineteen eighty three, a
hit man by the name of John Snow flew into Las Vegas, ambushed Harry
in his home, and failed shot Harry, but Harry survived. Now you
may be wondering about Harry's wounded neck. Yeah, that was the That was
the failed hit. Oh so in eighty three, when Harry was originally shot
in the neck, that was the first murder attempt. This poor guy is
just like he thinks he's the luckiest man on earth because he keeps surviving death.
He's just so after done hunting. No, they're just like you're well,
well, don't worry, we'll get you. Yeah. So after this
attack, a neighbor suggested that maybe Harry clean out his garage and are parking
inside, feeling that might be a safer alternative to parking on the street.
So John Parker, his stepdaughter Cathy's boyfriend, helped with the clean out,
but in this time strategically placed a Christmas tree box in the garage where somebody
could hide behind when the garage doors opened. Okay, So in February,
John Snow flew back to Vegas to try again round two, and these you
know what, I'm so black criminals are so fucking dumb. So the brothers
Doug and John set him up in a motel right next to a redneck bar
where John spent a lot. So John spent a lot of time drinking gambling
in this bar, and they set John up there. There was more money
needed to pay for this second hit, so Peggy again stole five thousand dollars
from the safe rate. You accomplish it or not, I guess according to
your twenty twenty. Yeah, I mean I didn't take place in the eighties.
Is there inflation for these things? No, this was not in the
eighties, And I was wondering about inflation because it's always just five grand.
That must be an easy amount to get your hands on. I guess,
not for me, but for everyone else in the world. Maybe if you
wanted to murder somebody bad enough, maybe hey, babe, when I get
the code of your safe, then okay. So anyway, so Peggy took
five thousand dollars from the safe. This time Harry confronted her and she denied,
and then they had a big argument. Later, during a visit with
his daughter, So Harry had a daughter with his first wife, Tory,
Harry confided that he thought Peggy had taken out a hit on him. So
he's putting the pieces together, right, money is missing, he is getting
shot at a lot. So Peggy's sister, Sally Cook, was racked with
guilt and afraid since the Parkers had threatened her and her family repeatedly. She
did, however, call a friend of hers, who, after hearing everything
that she had to say, wasted no time calling the police. So this
is how, this is how they were caught. Okay, despite this,
and now everybody turned on Peggy. So despite all of this, Sally did
testify against Peggy, saying that Peggy had plotted the murder with an alleged lover
of hers and his brother Doug and John Parker. She stated that she tried
to talk Peggy out of it and suggested to get a divorce, you know,
you know, just take the normal, normal route. But obviously they
would have to split everything fifty fifty, and Peggy said, and Peggy said,
I quote, I have worked so hard and I want it, I
want it all. Wow, that's just why. Then just stay married,
like you're either really really greedy or you just really want your independence, like
right, pick pick one and the thing you're still gonna get half, right,
you know, And then if you don't want to be in the marriage,
like take your half and walk like this is this is a lot.
You don't have to nurse any more gunshot wounds, right or strength and steal
money to like murder some like murder somebody. It's such an extreme thing.
I agree, I'm good, um so on feb right, just wait,
maybe one day I'll end up poisoning somebody. I'm so bad at life.
There's no way. I'm like, really bad at secrets. I'm like,
hey, just so you know, there's some oleander in your milk shape.
You're like, I made people slightly ill. Was On February thirteenth, nineteen
eighty three, Harry arrived home and drove into his garage. John Snow was
waiting in the hiding space and shot Harry four times in the head and face.
Neighbors heard the commotion and saw Snow running from the scene. When they
went to check on Harry, he was still alive, but by the time
the paramedics arrived, he had passed away from his injuries. Oh my gosh,
she's just poor guy. I know. It's a really sad story,
sadder than I thought it was going to be. Peggy decided to go to
trial and claiming narcissist, claiming she didn't know anything about the murder plot,
no clue, no clue, but a whole bunch of people decided to testify
against her, including her own father, Damn, and her sons like a
peach. So Peggy was found guilty of murder and the use of a deadly
weapon and conspiracy. She received two life sentences without the possibility of parole,
and the Parker brothers plod out In both received life with the possibility of parole.
After the sentence, saying Sally, her sister said, everyone is blaming
or sat okay after the sentence, saying Sally said, everyone is blaming me
for this, And I feel that both of my parents are responsible for this,
and she should have gotten the help that she needed when she was growing
up. And I still feel that it's unfair that she got life without parole
because the Parkers were going to be walking the streets in a few years and
she's going to rotten hell for the rest of her life. Um no,
it's fair, right, Like, look, I know that, like if
you're the person that pulls the trigger, that's a problem, but like they
wouldn't have been pulling the trigger if you didn't pay him to do it,
so like twice, Like that's hire the same people you paid wild someone twice.
So now I'm not blaming and I don't ever want to like say that
people like I'm not excusing Peggy's behavior. But according to a source, Peggy
had suffered a terrible childhood. She was beaten, molested, and raped all
before the age of fifteen. She subsequently became pregnant, was forced into a
shotgun wedding. She wound up in an abusive marriage with three children. She
eventually remarried, found herself back in another abusive relationship with one more child.
Her third marriage wasn't much better, and she had so many problems providing for
her children that she often had to place the four in foster care. Okay,
but that's not her life with Harry, right, No, No,
she met Harry later, So it sounds like Harry was like probably the nicest
of them. There's nothing there's nothing in here and any of the research that
I did about him like beating her or anything like that. There was loud
yelling he let her shoot him in the arm, true, and at work
paid for his own paid for his own murder. Yeah, Like he's he's
all right, He's not. He's not the worst She's dealt with. It
sounds like, no, definitely not the worst. In nineteen ninety eight,
Peggy was suffering from late stage cancer. She wasn't expected to live long,
and her lawyer at the time, our illustrious Mayor Oscar Goodman, secured her
release and then she passed away. In nineteen ninety nine. Yep, the
Parker brothers were both parled in two thousand and one, Kathy, the stepsisters
step daughter, reached a plea deal by agreeing to testify against the others and
served two years in prison. And the gunman, John Oliver Snow, was
found guilty of murder in the first degree and was sentenced to death by lethal
injection. He has gone through multiple appeals but still remains on death row.
The Keyboard Lounge eventually became the Smugglers In and was eventually shut down for a
selling cocaine to patrons as you do, and the business was never reopened.
Man, And that's our little story about Harry Wham. It's a real short
one. Yeah, but it's kind it's sad too, because you know here
it sound to me. What I get from it is it he had a
really big influence on this like divers community world. He led a lot of
things, he instructed a lot, So I'm sure there was a lot of
people that really like had fond close like memories and feelings towards him. So
yeah, absolutely, when I was doing research, there was like a little
his name popped up on like I just a discussion form about diving, and
there were people that had had him or he was the person that certified them,
and they were like, he was such a good dude, and like
I got certified by him, and you know, because he died in the
eighties, but he started doing this stuff in the fifties, So there are
people that are very much alive while he was doing all of his running his
diving school, because he had a whole diving school, and so there are
people that were actually physically certified by him. Yeah, that's sad. That
sucks. Yeah, right, So that's the most idiot human to like fail
at murdering him. I mean, I mean she shot him once, she
failed the second time when she hired someone, and then was successful the third
time. But it sounds like it's possible that maybe if paramedics had gotten there
a little bit sooner, he could have survived. Yeah, they did say
that he was alive when the when the neighbors found him. Yeah, but
I thought I had put this in here, but I guess I had just
had it in my brain to like talk to you about it. I can't.
I must have forgotten. But right at the beginning, you know how
I said like a black man and a white man, we're running from the
scene. Yeah, so I guess I forgot to put it in here.
So the the hitman was black, and one of the reasons they were able
to find him is because they set him up right next to the redneck bar.
He was like the only block dude in this bar. Of course some
runnecks are going to remember that, so they were so, yeah, so
he stuck out. I don't know if I skipped it or like, I
can't really I didn't. I didn't mention it, but yeah, so that
was also like how they got caught because they people were like, do you
remember do you know this guy and the bar? The bar pagers like fuck,
yeah, we remember this guy. He wasn't from around here. Yeah,
oh boy man. They just really they were dirty. Do you know
what? Criminals are so fucking dumb and I appreciate their levels of stupidity.
You're not wrong. I watched enough to crime. No, there's just some
wild things that I've been seeing lately, and I'm just like, really,
you couldn't have done better than that. Harry Wham. Yeah, that's the
story of Harry Wham. Poor guy. He didn't deserve it. No,
and he had been divorced before, right, Yeah, so he was married
and divorced. He had a daughter with his first wife, and then his
second marriage was to Peggy. He would have just let her have the divorce.
He would have been upset, but he just would have gone to diving
of a lot and fine. Yeah, yeah, I don't think it would
have been she was. She's obviously disturbed. Anybody who jumps like that is
a far leap to make. So anybody that decides like, I don't want
to be married anymore, let's kill him like that is that's far to go.
No, for sure, m I's selling her lap tab. Would you
murder her? Would you murder her? That's fascinating. Um. Yeah.
So that's the story of Harry Wham. A little guy, A little little
story. Okay, I've got I'm working on I thought so. I know
it's a little one, but I thought it was interesting. I have been
working on an episode about her. Blitztein Um okay, an enforcer for Tony
Spilatro of the Las Vegas mob Um. He is depicted in the movie Casino.
Okay, he's he's in there. He's been nasty. Little one,
isn't he no that, Well, Tony Spilatro is Joe Pesci. Okay,
never mind. In Casino, um no, her Blitztein worked for UM for
Tony and he is depicted. It's it's like a combination of two actual real
people in casino. That or so it's one character and casino that are made
up of two real people. Okay, gotcha? Does that makes sense?
Yeah? Yeah, So he's got a fun, fun Vegas story. Okay,
I'm I've been researching a circus lay performers death. Is it like a
conspiracy? Like? What is it? It's not really briefly, but like
what what? What drew you to the story? Well, when I was
little, I saw a trapeze artist in the circus fall. Oh my god,
Anica. Okay. We we lived in Florida. We used to go
the circus like every weekend, and I saw this lady, She's gorgeous every
weekend on the trapeze and she fell and I don't really know what happened to
her, but she was unconscious and ambulances came and so I don't know what
happened from there. But I was thinking about that one day and I was
like, oh my gosh, out of all the shows and things that go
on here in Vegas, have we ever had like something like that happened here.
So then I started researching and actually, like, they're pretty sack if
there's been some major injuries and some close calls, but this is really the
only death like in a performance that I could find, And there's not really
a conspiracy, but they really don't understand like what could have happened. So
there's a couple of theories on what happened, and they were super like safety
conscience conscious, So it was just a really unfortunate, wild event that and
it was in twenty thirteen, so not too long ago. But it's another
one of those things I just had never heard of. And a friend I
was talking about this Trappe's incident with a friend who is a performer, and
they were like, Hey, what about this. It's like I never heard
about that. So there is a case that I would like to cover down
the road Logan and actually asked me if I was going to cover it,
and it was it's about a I think it's a county commissioner who murdered a
reporter here in Nevada in like Carson City. I think it was because he
was gonna publish an expose on him, and so he murders this journalist swears
to God it's not him. Has decided. He's like fired every attorney that
he had, has decided to represent himself. And that's kind of where we're
at because Logan was like, are you going to cover this? And I
was like, I don't like to cover stories unless they're done, like they're
wrapped up, Like I don't want to cover this until there's like a full
conviction or whatever. That looks like, so I'm waiting for that to wrap
up. But yeah, he just decided and then like DNA was found on
him, all this stuff, and he is still his defenses that somebody impersonated
him and Vegas defense and the judge in the court room, god bless.
I was like, you understand that I do not advise you to represent yourself.
This is a murder case. This is not you know, like do
you understand the ramifications? And she like kept like hammering it and like,
I don't think you should do this. This is a bad idea. People
don't represent themselves in murder cases, Like you're not like a criminal attorney,
Like this is not a good plan. And he's like, no, I
can do it. I can do it. I can do it. And
she's like, okay, it's your right to defend yourself. So all right,
here we go. I'm sure he's like fuck yeah. They're like,
let him do it. And oh when I found this, hold on,
I got to grab it. Okay, because I'm vamping for time because we're
at forty five minutes. Okay. No, actually I found this Las Vegas
Weekly a fucking long time ago, and then I've totally forgot about it and
then refound it and it is a a group of local philanthropists that UM have
come together to solve cold cases. Oh that's kind of cool, So hold
on, let me get it because I March. This is how long I've
been holding because I like tucked it away so I could talk about it on
the podcast and then totally forgot about it and then was cleaning and was like,
oh, I forgot I had this, And it was because I had.
We did the story of um fuck her name escapes me, UM the
girl that was recently identified. Yeah, I can't remember her name. UM,
look at it, look at it while I well, I try to
find this UM not Kim Bryant. Yeah, Kim Bryant. Yeah, yeah,
Kim Bryant. Kim Bryant. So I read it because here we go,
Here we go. I got the article. So it's a whole group
of people, um, and it is one, two, three, four
or five six of them from Las Vegas. Like one of them Isum the
part owner of Latti Ltti. She's a Thai restaurant owner, Okay, and
just a whole bunch of like there's Justin Wu and like, there's just a
whole bunch of people on here. And they are the ones that donate the
money to get these cold cases solved. Oh hell yeah. And I just
thought that was so cool. And so they were they were instrumental because I
remember Um mentioning that the a philanthropist, Justin Wu had donated the money to
fund Kim Bryant's cold case or genetic DNA testing and it was actually this group,
not just him. Huh. And um, yeah, they've managed to
sold like six cold cases here huh. Lotus of Siam. There we go,
part owner of Lotus of Siam. Oh really yeah, they're really good.
That's where we had our Christmas party because they're really good friends with Annie
and Eddie. UM delicious food amazing, amazing. If you guys want good
tie food, Lotus of Siam is amazing. UM. But yeah, so
just a whole, like really interesting group of people. UM. And it's
in the Las Vegas the March the March episode or edition of UM Las Vegas
Weekly. What is the name of the co owner of Lotus of Siam.
Her name is Penny Chatima. Okay, next time I talked to them,
I'm gonna let them know that we do a podcast when we really want to
be a part of this. Yeah, we'll find time to solve cold cases
too. Oh my god, if I could solve a cold case, that
would just like I could die happy. It'd be really nice. It'd be
really really cool. So yeah, and here we go. So I'm trying
to like figure out, like trying to read through it real quick to find
out who's who. But like one of the guys on this particular group is
the found the founder of Tillies. Oh wow, okay, cool, yep,
there's UM. One of the guys is the owner of real estate agency
Huntington and Ellis UM. Another guy, Greg Woods, is the president's president
of Syrus Aviation. UM because it says about it says that it's about five
thousand dollars to run the tests. Wow, um, I want to know
who the rest of them the rest of them are? But yeah, so
I thought that was really interesting. That's really quoil. That's really interesting.
Yeah. I didn't realize that it was a whole like group. That's all
right. I want to figure out who set that apartment complex on fire,
that's what, right, that was not too far away from my house.
Yeah, I want to see about that. It was nuts. There's some
weird things going on around here. Do you think you really think? You
think it was some sort of weird thing. I don't know. All I
know is that I didn't I was out of town when it happened. I
drove by like two days later, and they were still putting it out and
there was just four three or four elevator shafts, like completely fine, and
everything else completely down to the ground. I just felt like it was probably
insurance fraud. Okay, that was that's it. That's where my brain went
to. I don't Maybe I'm right, maybe I'm wrong. I don't know.
Well, I want to be criminal. Once told me that I want
to be criminal. I'm not naming any names, okay, though that's fair.
They once told me that if you light a bag of Frido's on fire,
it's enough oil to keep burning, but it'll incinerate enough it won't leave
a trail of what started the fire. And so I just really want a
freedo fire on my list of topics. Someday. I would actually like to
test that theory by throwing it in a barrel, okay, and see what
happens. I'm also if you set is this like an urban legend? I
have no idea. These are the intelligent conversations I have with the people around
me. Um student no, okay, grown educated human in my life on
the regular, educated though, yes, but not an alien. Okay,
Well, I mean it does say that turns out that Freedo's are actually not
a favorite snack, but also make great kindling if you need to build a
fire. There's a lot of like blog somatic God, yes, arsonists use
o say this is from the Daily Mail says is from England. Arsenists use
bags of crisps to start fires because the fat is so flammable that it creates
a potent and untraceable accelerant. Is what the fuck? Oh so I want
to know? And the owner of those apartments bought a bag of fritos from
Sam's Club and when at it, apparently it's well, this is well known
amongst prison populations, of course, oh my god. To investigate how potent
a pack of crisps can be as a fire accelerant, forensic scientists Emily Duffin
and Linda Brownlow of the University of green of Greenwich, London experimented by setting
ten different types of crisps on fire. See there's something to this. This
is a fantastic experiment that I would really really love to be a part of.
We'll have to try it out and take pictures. So they found that
each individual crisp burns for an average of about seventy six seconds. Okay,
so if you lay him out in a little circle, this is bananas.
Deritos are also they catch fire easily. They burn long enough and a high
enough temperatures to help get a fire started, or at least help it's help
on its way. I mean a lot of these things that I'm reading are
suggesting that you use it like for camping kindling, because yes, they should
not suggest it for inches. Yeah, I mean a lot of them are
like, you know, put it underneath your you know your you can start
a fire. But yeah, this is bananas. I did not know this.
We do not in any way condoned or suggest the use of any chip
or chip substance to start a fire unless you are in need of kindling when
you are camping emergencies, only when all other options are yes, not available.
And then, as I'm going through this, and right at the bottom
of my Google search isn't as a recipe for freedo pie. Thank you,
Thank you Google, as it should be. Well, you know, if
you guys made it all the way through to the end of this, hopefully
you are delighted by the subtle tidbit of information as I am. Yep,
freeds fredos. All right, Well, um, I think that about wraps
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