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Love Hot Radio. Welcome to Open
Minds Radio with Alejandro Roja. Open Minds

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Radio is a UFO news authority presenting
evidence and the latest news regarding the UFO

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phenomena. Here's your host, Alejandro
Roja. That is I your host,

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Alejandro Roja. So this is I. That was Bob Dean, and thank

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you Bob Dean. I've told him
that several times, even though I don't

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think he listens to the show,
but I told him that when he did

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it. But that's the wonderful Bob
Dean lending us his very wise sounding voice

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to the intro of a magnificent radio
show. And that is Open Minds Radio.

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We are your UFO news authority and
we have a great show today.

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Whitley streamer. I used to say
Streiber, but I was wrong. It

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is a Streamer and you all probably
know that because he's a very popular author,

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author of the popular book Communion,
which essentially brought the whole abduction phenomena

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forward to the public. So we'll
be talking to him a little bit about

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that, but we're gonna mostly be
talking to him about his new book called

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The Key, which is very interesting. This has to do with a situation

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in nineteen ninety eight where he was
out doing his book tours for the Communion

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Book, and in the middle of
the night, some guy comes to his

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door and knocks on the door and
kind of freaks him out. He wants

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to talk to him and we'll talk
about, you know, how this all

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came about and what he felt at
the time, but it was kind of

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weird. And this guy then starts
talking to him about, you know,

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humanity and all of this very deep
important stuff, as if he was some

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sort of wise person from the ether. So from the unknown and Whitley's website

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is Unknown Country if you want to
go there, a very popular website.

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So it's very interesting stuff. Whitley
had self published a book about this previously

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a few years ago, but you
know, that didn't really sell too much

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copy, too many copies. You
could only get it on his website.

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So now he's gone with a larger
publisher and now it's in the bookstores.

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It's packaged in a pretty book and
everything, and it's very interesting. We

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were lucky enough to get a preview
copy. I know. It actually went

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on sale the twelfth, so that
was Thursday, the day before Friday,

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the thirteenth, so now this weekend, if you already didn't go out and

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get it, or maybe you wanted
to wait and listen to the show and

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decide for yourself whether you should get
it. It's a short, quick read

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and it is very very interesting.
I would say, so this is going

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to be a great show. That's
going to be a lot of fun.

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And speaking of a lot of fun
and some great shows, I wanted to

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say thanks to Mental Radio mentalradio dot
net. And that's an interview I got

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to do this weekend with the famous
Shadow Stevens. And I remember Shadow Stevens

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from my childhood because he was on
TV. He did like this radio I

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like the Top forty TV show or
something like that, and he would do

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appearances on different shows because you have
the really deep voice and much better than

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that, he'd have to check out
mental radio dot net. And then you

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know, he was a good looking
guy. So he was like this leading

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man type of guy and like,
wow, he should be on more TV

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shows because he's really cool. So
just a real cool guy. And it

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was a lot of fun because they
were definitely take this stuff not as serious.

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They they have a lot more fun, which isn't for everybody. People

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like the more serious type of stuff, but they have a lot of fun

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and they kind of have some comedy
bits that they put throughout it. But

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they're very positive too. They want
to make sure that everybody understands the future

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is positive and there's a positive outlook
to all of this, including the May

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twenty first end of the world predictions, because that's of course everybody's talking about

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that. And they were too,
although I don't think they put much credence

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in it either. So it was
a lot of fun. Wanted to say

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thanks to them, and also the
Bay Area moof on too because did a

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presentation with them, and Michael is
out doing Michael Shrap with Open Minds is

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out doing a presentation, but I'm
not even sure where he did one this

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weekend. He's very stealthy, just
like the subjects. He likes to cover

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a stealth bomb. He'll slide in
and slide out. You know, you

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never see him. You might catch
a glimpse of him when he goes out

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to lunch, but it real and
that you don't even hear that, there's

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no sound. Just might catch a
glimpse of him once in a while.

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Real stealthy little fella. So much
research into stealth just I guess it's really

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helped him understand the technology so much
that he can use it even when he

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goes to lunch heads out to his
Cardil lunch. Also, we will be

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at a couple places that you can
come see some of the stupor stars of

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ufology and open Minds. We're gonna
be at Mofon and that's gonna be July

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twenty ninth through the thirty first.
That's a move On symposium in Irvine,

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California, So just go to move
on dot com to check more about that.

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They're gonna have some cool speakers.
I know they're gonna have Joe mcmonagall.

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They're gonna have Story Musgrave, an
astronaut talking about his UFO sidings.

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And hopefully we'll have some of these
guys on the radio show here soon because

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we're working with them on that.
So that's very exciting. We'll see you

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then. And then of course there's
Roswell and you will see Alejandro and Antonio

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in Roswell. We're going to have
a table out there selling some magazines and

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stuff, including our Roswell edition,
which is exciting because Don Schmidt and Stan

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Friedman who wrote articles in that issue
are going to be in the room with

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us, so you can go get
their signature and it'll be a lot of

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fun. I'm definitely looking forward to
that. It's a festival of just craziness

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in Roswell. Not quite Las Vegas, but it's silly, I'll tell you

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what. It's silly stuff going on
out there. Speaking of silly stuff,

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we got a silly guy in here
named Jason McClellan. But he's very serious

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about this subject because he covers the
news and these are the UFO headlines in

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the conventional news, and he don't
mess around. He tells it like it

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is. Welcome Jason, and thank
you for being here to share with us.

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Thank you for having me Alejandro,
and greetings everyone. This is your

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open Mind's news from Monday, May
sixteenth, twenty eleven. A picture of

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a UFO was taken last week by
a photographer in Melrose, Scotland. The

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photographer, who asked to remain anonymous, supply the UFO photo to the Border

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Telegraph. He described the object in
the picture as moving pretty fast at around

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forty five degrees towards the sky,
with a tail showing the direction The Border

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Telegraph contacted both the Met Office,
which is the UK's National Weather Service,

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and the Ministry of Defense to see
if either group could shed any light on

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the UFO in question. The Met
Office had no record of a weather balloon

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in the area, and the mod
declined to comment. And this story is

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like a lot of other stories with
lights in the sky and people contact different

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groups to see if they you know, like the FAA here in the States,

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in organizations to see if they had
certain things in the sky. And

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I thought it was weird with this
story how they pointed out that the the

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Met Office there their National Weather Service, they were looking at weather balloons and

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you look at this picture, doesn't
look like a weather balloon at all.

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It's like a fireball on the sky
with a sort of tail, like a

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comet or something in the sky.
So weather balloon seems kind of a weird

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thing to go after. But there
are other things I think the National Weather

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Service could have told whoever was looking
into this about something in the sky and

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not just a weather balloon. While
you're talking about this, I kind of

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had an epiphany and short of a
prediction is that I don't think that these

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services FAA, the Weather Services,
you know these other organizations, They're not

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going to be able to blow people
off like they keep doing. I don't

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think for too much longer. I
don't think people will take it. Luckily.

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This subject, I think, is
getting enough into the public and the

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forefront, and we have enough credible
people talking about it that that's going to

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have to be the first area to
break. Because come on, if I'm

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seeing something strange in the sky and
calling the FAA to tell them about it,

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it's ridiculous that they wouldn't take it
serious. I mean, because it

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could be a safety hazard. They
need to either something's got to happen.

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I gotta say, well, we're
going to forward this onto so and so

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or something. I think that there's
going to have to be some sort of

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change in that. Well, you
would certainly hope so. But it's pretty

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shocking the responses that have been given
most of the time, because there can

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be visible objects in the sky and
you'll read reports of the FAA saying,

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oh, well, we don't show
anything on our radar. Yeah, well

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you can see something in the sky. Yeah. It's even more alarming that

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it's not on your radar, but
it's there. So what are you going

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to do. Yeah, we'll fix
your damn your radar's broken pill yeah,

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yeah. But especially I mean the
Weather Service, what are they supposed to

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say, we don't see any clouds
in the area, and there were no

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balloons. I mean, I don't
know what they could say. But especially

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organizations that are there to maintained safety, especially for commercial airlines or whatever they've

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got, it's ridiculous that they can
just blow people off like that. Right,

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It's wrong, It is wrong,
but at least neglix. You know,

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there are some official organizations who give
an official word. Yeah, whether

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or not they're just you know,
who knows. They're probably just blowing people

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off. Yeah, they kind of
blow people off, but at least they're

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responding. I mean, you know, Gary, the Barry Goldwater Range,

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they responded to my and I was
very surprised with that. To go.

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I found that typically to be true
though for the most part, if you

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contact them, they're going to blow
you off, but they're going to at

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least give you some sort of answer, form letter, some form answer,

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which was kind of cool when I
started doing this in Colorado, example,

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because people do this. If you
see a black helicopter and next to the

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UFO. Then call the Air Force
spaces around you, and it helped.

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I called all the Air Force spaces
the first time this happened in Colorado.

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They were able to tell me what
kind of aircraft are you know, say

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well, we don't have helicopter or
one base said well the only people doing

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those routine flying around black hawks are
the Air National Guard. So then you

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get to find out what kind of
aircraft are in your area being flown by

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who, and then you could be
more specific when you request next time.

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That's a good skill you've learned there, my friends, Yeah, excellent,

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We've got more UFO sightings. The
Shropshire Star published an article last week about

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UFOs that were seen in the sky
above Shropshire, England. A video accompanied

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the article showing a mysterious sort of
orange light that was seen hovering in the

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sky on May first. A second
light appears in the sky and hovers with

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the first light. The first light
then begins to slowly drift across the sky

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and starts blinking. It then accelerates
and disappears. A period of time passes.

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Then the second light moves in a
similar pattern as the first light before

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vanishing from sight. According to the
Shropshire Star, Shrewsbury based UFO Investigation and

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Research unit didn't think the lights in
the video or Chinese lanterns, and the

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unit has been unable to come up
with an explanation for the strange lights.

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Serious lights in the sky are apparently
common in that area, and one comment

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I read related to this video suggested
that it could be hot air balloons.

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And It's been a while since I've
seen hot air balloons in the night sky,

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but I can imagine they would be
quite bright. But these lights in

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the video seem extremely brilliant, and
the article mentioned that the person who took

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this video said people in the area
see these things on a sort of irregular

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basis, not something regular like airplanes
things like that. They also mentioned that

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there was no sound from the objects
and that people who see these things refer

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them to them as many suns.
That's how bright they are in the night

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sky. Wow. And it's kind
of odd how they just hover motionless for

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a while and then start moving.
That's something else we should do then,

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I mean, you guys don't have
them as much. We had a hot

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air balloons a lot in Denver,
but it's probably because it's so warm out

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here and the colder air is it
better. That's why they usually launch in

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the very early mornings, because the
colder air is better for hot air balloons.

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And hot air balloons don't go very
long without turning their big flame on,

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so they'll coast along with their flame
and then you know, you can

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hear it pretty loud. They turn
on their big flame to keep altitude,

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and I don't even think they go
more than a minute or two without having

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to turn their flame on to keep
the balloon heated up and aloft. So

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we should videotape those to tell the
difference. But I think it's pretty obvious

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a hot air balloon. Plus when
they turn on their flame, depending on

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where you are, you can then
make out the balloon part right, especially

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the designs and stuff. They definitely
have a look to them, whereas these

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are just sort of bright balls and
hot air balloon. Yeah, you can

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see the flames go on and stay
on most of the time, but these

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objects that were videotape started blinking at
one point. You know what we should

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do the whole crew is go to
just because it's fun more than anything.

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The hot air the Balloon Fiesta in
Albuquerque. It's the biggest international bloom fiesta,

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and they have a couple of alien
balloons out there. I've seen pictures

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of that. Yeah, yeah,
I've got some pictures that somewhere. Well

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my hard drive crash, I probably
don't have them anymore, but they're really

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cool. Well, I think it
would certainly be worth it, you know,

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to experiment with some video there,
because then they have different types of

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balloons too, Like there are different
there's another kind that's more rare, but

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it's more around and they have some
races with those types, so we could

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take pictures of more than just one. And again with regards to this video

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we just talked about, and they
don't move fast, right, you know,

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they don't take off in any direction
fast. Well, with this video,

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you know, this group who looked
into it said they ruled out Chinese

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lanterns. And with the Chinese lanterns
you and I have experience experiments with,

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I would have to agree that the
behavior was certainly not like typical Chinese lanterns.

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However, we have pointed out that
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there are variations of Chinese lanterns there'sn't
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of the enormous fuel cells that are
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long time. And then there's a
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when people have put gash what they
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right, And you know, with
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altitudes moving into different directions, different
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up in the sky. But it
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be sort of close to each other
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same time, but following a similar
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of strange behavior. It's a good
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link to that on our website.
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think we have. Oh, this
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Storms hit the Dallas Fort Worth area
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the Dallas Fort Worth NBC affiliate,
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on Tuesday night, resulting in a
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blowing, producing an eerie light show
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fort Worth CPA and amateur photographer named
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The video shows hundreds of explosions,
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reported that more than three hundred cloud
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from eight pm to ten pm and
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calls to police by residents who were
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fireballs both from the sky and on
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his video between ninet thirty and ten
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Sanders, a columnist for the Star
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I've seen lightning strikes and this was
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explosions. It was like someone was
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the video, it's extraordinary. I
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up, and it is pretty spectacular. They're really bright, they blow up,

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sparks fly, and you do see
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like on the other side of a
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would see maybe orbs flying across,
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but in this video you see tons
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and forth. To be in that
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orange balls would be flying all over
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this started. And some of these
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lights would light up the entire sky
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some people claim you can see lights
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different orbs in the sky. Those
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occur when a very bright explosion happens, and it sort of follows the camera.

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explosions going, and its intensity varies
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certainly that's what it is, but
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this was some sort of military energy
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It's it's a mind blowing video to
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who have seen thee on YouTube said, well, why didn't the media cover

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this? Well, they did,
it was it was really only isolated to

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the local media, strangely, because
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I've ever I've never seen an explosion
great video. It's like a great light

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show on the Fourth of July.
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we'll move on to another story.
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in Finland. That's according to YLE, a finished broadcasting company. Apparently,

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hundreds of UFOs are seen in the
Finish skies every year. A Finnish UFO

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researcher from the UFO Finland or UFO
Finland Organization has been studying UFOs for forty

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six years, and he told Wyle
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is full of mirror images, and
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of different from other sighting reports to
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lot of them. When they talk
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to people who are researchers of UFOs
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to people who believe absolutely everything they
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to come off as sounding gullible.
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six years under his belt, they
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doesn't mean anything. We need more
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was there, that's great because you
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need information behind the photo. And
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are anonymously posted, it's kind of
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video, but we don't know much
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have multiple witnesses who can give you
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I think that Turkish famous Turkish UFO
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unrelated, they don't know each other, who had seen this thing and talked

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about all seeing the same thing along
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of situation you're looking for. And
certainly the photos and videos that don't have

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any information accompanying them, it doesn't
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mean they're they're not acturate, they
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prove anything. Yeah, it doesn't
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it doesn't help others. It doesn't
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it's there. And unless you were
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can do anything these days, well
maybe you can, your skills are better

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than mine, but no I can. I can put your head on Arnold

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Schwarzenheger's body, though, and I'd
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I can do a little smiley face. Yeah, that's kidd all right.

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There's a new documentary about strange and
controversial conspiracy theories that will debut at the

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end of this week on May twenty
first, at the Retrodome in San Jose,

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California. The film is called The
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by Dean Haglan, who was also
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guest on our radio show before ye. Haglin is best known as Langley,

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one of the lone gunmen from the
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follows Hagelin as he travels the world, interviewing conspiracy theorists who believe in everything

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from UFO abductions to secret nine to
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it was the interview we have of
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know if we put it on the
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magazine, but it's well and it's
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was a lot of fun. Yeah, because you know, being you would

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think, well, he's not a
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just going around talking about X File
tell them, being at these sci fi

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conferences and behind the scenes with the
X Files. He's got so many incredible

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stories, some really interesting, great
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documentary. I am too. I
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on the website and it actually looks
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honey, he is a great guy. The Jakarta Globe recently reported a new

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crop circle in Indonesia. The circle
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UFO, a UFO sidings investigation group
in Indonesia, was just made aware of

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the crop circle on Sunday. The
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wide and consisted of two circles talked
with hexagons. By the time beta UFO

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reached the circle, the landowner had
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determine if the crop circle was man
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see what they find. Although interesting
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everything in the area with the last
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so we'll see. I think even
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professors in the area who were very
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Their first response was to send it
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So hopefully we hear more about that
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uh Gary McKinnon may lose his fight
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The forty five year old Scottish computer
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biggest military computer hack of all time
after he claims that he was looking for

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information about UFOs and extraterrestrials. And
I was back in two thousand and one,

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two thousand and two that he did
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ever since. And there were hopes
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US President Barack Obama would result in
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according to The Daily Mail Today,
US Attorney General Eric Holder vowed last week

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to take all necessary steps to extradite
Gary. So keep our fingers continuing to

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be crossed for him, but uh, you know, any any last hope

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he has a sort of dwindling Yeah, the US has stayed resolute the whole

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time that we're not letting up.
We want to Even when Barack went out

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there and they asked him about it, he said, you know what,

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I'm gonna let my guys figure that
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something positive, like oh good,
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for Gary. Yeah. His point
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and if his guys want him extradited, whatever his guys say, that's

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the best, right. So yeah, Unfortunately both sides, the US is

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standing strung with their their wanting to
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the UK is kind of being sneaky. They're kind of being for me over

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there where they're just kind of avoiding
the issue. It's been nearly an year

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and a half now that they were
supposed to come up their final decisions,

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which is their final, final,
final, final, because we've already had

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a dozen final decisions, but yet
another final decision with their avoiding, they're

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totally avoiding coming up with the decision
because they know if they extra don't know,

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people are going to be really upset
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do know that there was an extra
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it. They said no, we're
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were hoping that that said some precedent
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not a terrorist situation. This does
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extra dining, which is what the
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did this under the impression that this
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not you know, some dude smoking
pot and hacking into government computers. This

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has been a long, long case
with all sorts of back and forth,

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and the poor guy just wants to
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I mean, I'm rooting for Gary
Tyo, you know, I'm not afraid

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to say that. Come on,
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even reevaluate their whole extradition process because
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Well, anyway, alle Hunter,
That is it for the news. Remember

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to check out these stories and more
it Openminds dot tv your source for UFO

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related news. I'm Jason McClellan,
your Open Minds News correspondent, and you've

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been briefed back to u aalehandro All
right, thank you, Jason. So

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some good stuff, lots of interesting
news and lots of British news in last

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week. Got a lot going on
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that their news covers that. Because
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But when you think about their population
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sources they have out there compared to
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lot more so per capita. They've
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pretty exciting. Other exciting things are
some of the stories that we have up

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on the web right now. One
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and we think Coast to Coast am
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always send him the links to some
of our cool stories, and this one

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was something Antonio found. Yet again
he finds some cool stuff in his archives.

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He worked with a gentleman who ran
an organization called ikufon, the International

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Center for UFO Studies something like that. And this was a guy who came

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from Russia, Koman von Kovinski,
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things that this guy did was a
video on film because he was a professional

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film guy. And in nineteen seventy
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was some effort and we've talked with
this Antonio with Antonio and on the show

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before, but that the un was
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this was sponsored by the Prime Minister
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there was actually a resolution that was
made where the member countries were supposed to

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send UFO information to the UN,
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not many, and so the UN
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history is important because people say,
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this up. Well, they tried
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need to understand our past in order
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what Antonio was able to find was
some rare film of those hearings. So

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you see Heinich JL and Heinik,
who we've talked a lot about who used

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to do investigating of UFOs for the
Air Force, who really became one of

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the first civilian UFO investigators. He's
there talking to the UN. On the

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floor. You see Lieutenant Colonel Coyne
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show, and Coin and you see
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a Stanton Friedman actually, but unfortunately
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film, and then I know when
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talked about him a little bit here and

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00:30:23.559 --> 00:30:27.079
there, and he was on the
show also, but yeah, he's in

407
00:30:27.119 --> 00:30:30.880
this film too. So I'm extremely
excited about this film, and I think

408
00:30:30.920 --> 00:30:37.000
it's mostly really exciting for UFO research
geeks like me because you get to see

409
00:30:37.039 --> 00:30:41.440
some of your heroes in action on
this film at the UN, so it

410
00:30:41.519 --> 00:30:45.319
was such an important event. Some
people have complained that it doesn't have any

411
00:30:45.400 --> 00:30:48.000
music, but I thought, you
know what, I don't think we need

412
00:30:48.039 --> 00:30:52.160
to put any Metallica or something in
the background like they do on these YouTube

413
00:30:52.200 --> 00:30:56.559
videos. It's film. There was
no sound during that period of time.

414
00:30:56.799 --> 00:31:02.839
Really, it's just archival footage that's
really neat, which is documenting this incredible

415
00:31:02.880 --> 00:31:06.960
event that happened when the UN was
really talking about UFOs. So you can

416
00:31:07.000 --> 00:31:10.640
read this story there. You can
read a lot more about all that happened

417
00:31:10.680 --> 00:31:15.000
back there. But that's really cool. And of course we've got our continuing

418
00:31:15.480 --> 00:31:21.240
segments on the royals in UFOs and
we have another segment there with some interesting

419
00:31:21.319 --> 00:31:25.839
stuff, so go check out the
website. But now let us go ahead

420
00:31:26.200 --> 00:31:29.799
because we've got about an hour left, and let's talk to Whitley Streemer.

421
00:31:29.880 --> 00:31:33.200
I'm really excited about this interview,
so let's go ahead and talk to Whitley.

422
00:31:36.200 --> 00:31:38.359
All right, Well, thank you
so much for joining us. Whitley.

423
00:31:38.359 --> 00:31:41.559
I'm excited to have you on the
show for the first time. Well,

424
00:31:41.599 --> 00:31:45.279
I'm excited to be here for the
first time. I'm all pumped up

425
00:31:45.279 --> 00:31:49.079
and ready to roll cool. Well, and I'm also excited about your book.

426
00:31:49.279 --> 00:31:55.160
I know it had been out before, but I hadn't read it then,

427
00:31:55.200 --> 00:31:57.960
and then luckily I got a copy
from the publisher, and I guess

428
00:31:57.960 --> 00:32:00.240
one of the first things I'd like
to ask you about, and one of

429
00:32:00.240 --> 00:32:05.200
the things that I wasn't expecting was
that it, especially in the beginning of

430
00:32:05.240 --> 00:32:09.599
the book, you go into a
lot of different types of paranormal experiences that

431
00:32:09.640 --> 00:32:14.519
you've had. Yeah, in the
in the key, yes, well I've

432
00:32:14.720 --> 00:32:19.799
I've had, you know, Anne
and I were talking about this a couple

433
00:32:19.799 --> 00:32:22.960
of weeks ago. I'm working on
a book which is coming out in January

434
00:32:22.039 --> 00:32:27.319
called What Is to Come that sort
of reviews our whole life together, and

435
00:32:28.480 --> 00:32:34.279
we really have You're right, I
mean it has been since we since I

436
00:32:34.440 --> 00:32:38.160
was a kid, and for any
since we met, it has just been

437
00:32:38.240 --> 00:32:44.720
contentious. Just it's the way I
live. I ask to why, I'm

438
00:32:44.799 --> 00:32:47.400
afraid you might ask that question next, and my answer is I don't know,

439
00:32:49.039 --> 00:32:52.359
man, but it's should We're all
right. Yeah. It's interesting because

440
00:32:52.559 --> 00:32:55.920
your answer I don't know is typically
the answer I get. You know,

441
00:32:55.960 --> 00:33:00.319
when you ask people who have had
incredible experience is why them and I don't

442
00:33:00.319 --> 00:33:06.839
know? Well, one possibility is
this. There was a very interesting project

443
00:33:06.960 --> 00:33:13.160
done by a doctor Ken Ring back
in the late eighties that was published eventually

444
00:33:13.240 --> 00:33:21.839
as the Omega Project where he compared
the life experiences of close encounter witnesses,

445
00:33:22.000 --> 00:33:25.440
near death experiences, and the number
of other people types of people who have

446
00:33:25.480 --> 00:33:31.599
had so called paranormal experiences. And
he's discovered that there was a consistency among

447
00:33:31.680 --> 00:33:37.720
people who had close encounter experiences,
and that was that they had trauma in

448
00:33:37.759 --> 00:33:42.240
their childhoods of various kinds. Could
be sexual, trauma, could be a

449
00:33:42.279 --> 00:33:46.799
great family tragedy, but something that
kind of cracked the cosmic egg and made

450
00:33:46.799 --> 00:33:54.039
their whole world turn upside down.
And those people are the ones who generally

451
00:33:54.759 --> 00:34:00.440
have close encounter experiences, and I
don't think it's that they're chosen and we're

452
00:34:00.519 --> 00:34:07.680
chosen. I think that we notice
that we see it something that is absolutely

453
00:34:07.759 --> 00:34:10.400
part of human life. That was
actually going to be my next question.

454
00:34:10.440 --> 00:34:17.199
If you felt that perhaps others were
having experiences or the energies or entities are

455
00:34:17.239 --> 00:34:22.000
around them, they just don't notice
them. Well, I think everybody is.

456
00:34:22.519 --> 00:34:28.039
I think it's part of being human. I think there's a large part

457
00:34:28.239 --> 00:34:32.679
of being human that we have decided
to turn away from. And I think

458
00:34:32.719 --> 00:34:39.480
I know why. I think it's
because we are here building something, and

459
00:34:39.800 --> 00:34:45.159
in order to build this we need
within ourselves. I mean, in order

460
00:34:45.199 --> 00:34:51.199
to build it, we need spontaneity. We can't do it if we have

461
00:34:52.320 --> 00:34:58.400
a foreknowledge of our lives because the
energy won't be there, the energy of

462
00:34:58.440 --> 00:35:02.440
self discovery will not be there.
I think what we're looking at is an

463
00:35:02.599 --> 00:35:08.519
aspect of being, of being human, if you will, that lives outside

464
00:35:08.599 --> 00:35:14.159
of space and time as we know
it, and we are projected into the

465
00:35:14.199 --> 00:35:22.000
time stream in order to have these
experiences that enable us to explore ourselves and

466
00:35:22.079 --> 00:35:30.320
to make the extraordinary journey toward who
we really are. Yeah, one of

467
00:35:30.320 --> 00:35:34.039
the people who kind of answered that
question. I like the story of the

468
00:35:34.159 --> 00:35:38.440
astronaut who had said, you know, he liked to think of himself as

469
00:35:38.679 --> 00:35:40.800
at the top of the food chain, even if he had to lie to

470
00:35:40.960 --> 00:35:45.400
himself to believe that. Yeah.
Well, he's a sweetheart, but he

471
00:35:46.000 --> 00:35:51.039
hates the UFO stuff. And he
was very plain spoken to me about that.

472
00:35:51.440 --> 00:35:55.559
He just hates the UFO stuff,
and he does for that reason.

473
00:35:55.559 --> 00:35:59.599
He said, I don't want the
path to tomorrow is to be well worn.

474
00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:02.079
And you can't blame him. I
mean, we're here for an adventure

475
00:36:02.679 --> 00:36:09.079
and if we're tall, oh,
well, you know, you want to

476
00:36:09.119 --> 00:36:12.679
go to another planet. There's a
bus over there. Leave me a couple

477
00:36:12.719 --> 00:36:16.599
of minutes. It's kind of depressing, you know. You want it to

478
00:36:16.599 --> 00:36:22.360
be new and fresh and exciting and
amazing. And somehow or another, thinking

479
00:36:22.400 --> 00:36:27.920
that there's somebody else above us in
the food chain that they know more and

480
00:36:27.960 --> 00:36:32.039
they are kind of looking down on
us really rubs intellectuals and scientists the wrong

481
00:36:32.079 --> 00:36:37.559
way. And it's frightening. And
I don't blame him. It doesn't bother

482
00:36:37.679 --> 00:36:44.440
me, God knows, but it
does bother a lot of people. Yeah,

483
00:36:44.920 --> 00:36:49.000
now that also touches upon of course, a lot of what was said

484
00:36:49.760 --> 00:36:54.719
by the Master of the Key in
the book, and this idea of the

485
00:36:54.880 --> 00:37:00.119
organ that we don't use, meaning
you know, being able to see and

486
00:37:00.199 --> 00:37:06.440
communicate with the other side. Yeah, this organ, that's a very important

487
00:37:06.480 --> 00:37:09.679
part of the Key because what he
does is he explains not only what it

488
00:37:09.800 --> 00:37:15.800
is, but how to use it. And it's quite amazing because if you

489
00:37:15.960 --> 00:37:20.159
learn, if you if you actually
meditate, you can learn to use it

490
00:37:20.239 --> 00:37:24.519
and it works. It's really something
that it uh opens you. Just just

491
00:37:24.519 --> 00:37:28.960
just the knowledge of what it is
is all you need. It doesn't You

492
00:37:29.000 --> 00:37:32.800
don't have to dance around the room
or do jump through hoops or anything,

493
00:37:34.159 --> 00:37:37.599
just to know it's there and to
go quietly into yourself and to meditate,

494
00:37:38.159 --> 00:37:47.880
and then you notice it's that it
is giving you all kinds of points of

495
00:37:47.920 --> 00:37:54.639
contact beyond yourself that you don't ordinarily
have and sometimes they can get really vivid

496
00:37:54.719 --> 00:37:58.800
because you know, we're not the
only ones using this method of communication.

497
00:37:59.519 --> 00:38:02.239
Uh, there are others who use
it and much more. I would even

498
00:38:02.320 --> 00:38:07.280
suspect there are others from what I've
seen out there that use it and in

499
00:38:07.320 --> 00:38:12.280
a way that's enhanced by technology.
Because remember the Master I think he also

500
00:38:12.320 --> 00:38:15.760
says something else. He said,
there is no supernatural It's all nature,

501
00:38:15.800 --> 00:38:19.400
some of which you understand and some
of it you don't. Back in seventeen

502
00:38:19.480 --> 00:38:23.039
fifty, people were laughing at the
idea of meteors. Scientists were scorning anybody

503
00:38:23.079 --> 00:38:29.440
who thought meteors were stones falling out
of the sky. And look at what

504
00:38:29.920 --> 00:38:32.880
the ancient Romans would have made of
radio. I mean, really, you

505
00:38:32.920 --> 00:38:38.159
know. In other words, it's
simply part of the science of the soul,

506
00:38:38.639 --> 00:38:45.679
and we haven't really gotten there yet
because we have not come into open

507
00:38:45.800 --> 00:38:50.480
contact with what he calls conscious energy, which is us and is all around

508
00:38:50.559 --> 00:38:55.320
us. That's one interesting thing about
the conversation is that the science aspect,

509
00:38:55.320 --> 00:39:02.559
along with the spiritual aspect and extraordinary
you know, statements such as that this

510
00:39:02.880 --> 00:39:08.360
organ that can communicate with the other
side could be because you asked a question

511
00:39:08.760 --> 00:39:14.239
a mechanical thing, and I got
the impression and I wanted to ask you

512
00:39:14.320 --> 00:39:17.119
about this, that he was even
alluding to that we might build that machine

513
00:39:17.840 --> 00:39:22.719
prior to us. You know,
people in a large amount of being able

514
00:39:22.719 --> 00:39:28.239
to access this information without a machine. Well exactly, And that's what I'm

515
00:39:28.280 --> 00:39:32.159
saying. I think others have built
machines that intensify this access, because every

516
00:39:32.159 --> 00:39:37.920
once in a while, but i'm
meditating like that, I will have a

517
00:39:38.440 --> 00:39:46.639
very very vivid image, a televisual
image, that vivid of something like once

518
00:39:46.719 --> 00:39:53.639
there was a woman dancing, but
she wasn't human. Her skin was a

519
00:39:53.639 --> 00:40:00.400
different color, sort of almost like
cyanosis ballue, and her forehead was was

520
00:40:00.039 --> 00:40:05.199
much larger than ours, and she
was dancing, and she was obviously in

521
00:40:05.280 --> 00:40:08.440
some kind of a performance, and
it just lasted a couple of minutes,

522
00:40:08.480 --> 00:40:14.079
but in a couple of seconds and
maybe twenty seconds. And another time I

523
00:40:14.199 --> 00:40:20.679
had a very very rich, vivid
vision of a big granite building about seven

524
00:40:20.760 --> 00:40:24.239
or eight stories tall, two wings
on it. Behind it was a hillside

525
00:40:24.960 --> 00:40:30.719
with yellow flowers on the hillside and
little clouds t whipping across the through the

526
00:40:30.719 --> 00:40:35.960
blue sky, and I could even
hear noises if they weren't noises, I

527
00:40:35.960 --> 00:40:43.599
could even describe a sort of low
rumbling noise and a sense of very busy

528
00:40:43.639 --> 00:40:49.239
activity somewhere nearby that I couldn't see. And that lasted long enough for me

529
00:40:49.320 --> 00:40:52.320
to actually look at the building and
look at the doors, try to see

530
00:40:52.360 --> 00:40:55.199
if I could see anything in the
windows which were dark, and I couldn't

531
00:40:57.079 --> 00:41:01.239
to look up the hill and into
the sky. And it wasn't on this

532
00:41:01.440 --> 00:41:05.679
earth, It wasn't of this world. It was another world. I was

533
00:41:05.719 --> 00:41:09.960
seeing an image from another world.
And I think that what I was seeing

534
00:41:10.199 --> 00:41:17.760
was I was picking up a snatch
of some kind of something produced by some

535
00:41:17.800 --> 00:41:22.800
sort of technology. This is also
the reason that SETI went out of business,

536
00:41:22.840 --> 00:41:25.320
because we never hear radio, because
that's how they communicate. That is

537
00:41:25.320 --> 00:41:32.519
now yeah, using essentially, I
think he reverted to as a quantum communication,

538
00:41:34.119 --> 00:41:38.320
which is something I've heard scientists talking
about. Well, actually there's a

539
00:41:38.400 --> 00:41:46.239
laboratory in China which is attempting to
build a quantum communications device, and there

540
00:41:46.320 --> 00:41:53.000
has a few years ago, snatches
of Mozart's Jupiter Symphony were sent via a

541
00:41:53.079 --> 00:41:58.519
quantum communications device. And the way
it works is this. You take two

542
00:41:58.559 --> 00:42:05.719
photons and you entangle them by bringing
them together. Then you move them apart,

543
00:42:06.039 --> 00:42:08.440
and whatever you do to one of
them will happen to the other at

544
00:42:08.480 --> 00:42:14.719
the same time, with no timeli
like whatsoever. It is outside of space

545
00:42:14.800 --> 00:42:19.480
time the connection between them, and
it's not a connection we understand, but

546
00:42:19.559 --> 00:42:22.599
if you do that not with two
photons, but with two trillion photons.

547
00:42:22.960 --> 00:42:30.400
Then you can potentially, by affecting
the information load of one group of these

548
00:42:30.400 --> 00:42:35.760
photons, you can cause the other
group to bear the same information load,

549
00:42:36.360 --> 00:42:40.360
and that information photons are really small, so that information can actually be far

550
00:42:40.559 --> 00:42:45.360
far richer than even then you can
achieve with microwaves, which are much larger

551
00:42:45.400 --> 00:42:52.199
than photons. So it's this is
a communications method that is being actively worked

552
00:42:52.199 --> 00:42:54.800
on a NEU of a lab in
China in the United States. Unfortunately,

553
00:42:54.920 --> 00:43:00.679
my guess is that it's all being
impeded by classification, that the work that's

554
00:43:00.719 --> 00:43:06.519
being done on it is in classified
laboratories. The tragedy of our age because

555
00:43:06.559 --> 00:43:09.800
we'll always be behind because of our
obsession with secrecy. But that's another story.

556
00:43:10.039 --> 00:43:14.000
In any case, Yeah, this
is a very real technology. And

557
00:43:14.039 --> 00:43:16.760
the other sad thing about it is
you could apparently put one group of those

558
00:43:16.800 --> 00:43:21.679
photons on one side of the universe
one group on the other, and the

559
00:43:22.280 --> 00:43:29.440
effect would be the same instantaneous response. Now here's the question. If you

560
00:43:29.559 --> 00:43:35.559
have to physically entangle them then move
them apart. It's going to take a

561
00:43:35.599 --> 00:43:38.519
long time because you have to move
them in a physical device, and that

562
00:43:38.599 --> 00:43:44.480
device presumably can't travel all that fast
in the universe because the speed of light

563
00:43:44.840 --> 00:43:51.039
is slow compared to the size of
the universe. So maybe there is another

564
00:43:51.199 --> 00:43:58.360
way to entangle photons. And maybe
when the Master of the key was describing

565
00:43:58.920 --> 00:44:05.079
how to come and contact with that
electromagnetic organ on the surface of your body

566
00:44:05.159 --> 00:44:14.519
and how to not how to participate
in it's what it's experiencing with in superposition

567
00:44:14.599 --> 00:44:17.000
without concentrating on it in such a
way that you cause it to go into

568
00:44:17.039 --> 00:44:23.079
position and to just be around you. Just maybe it could be that there

569
00:44:23.159 --> 00:44:29.159
is not a necessity to entangle anything, because after all, at the Big

570
00:44:29.199 --> 00:44:32.679
Bang, the whole universe was smaller
than the head of a pin. Everything

571
00:44:34.639 --> 00:44:42.519
was entangled then and probably still is. We just have to know that in

572
00:44:42.639 --> 00:44:45.639
order to be able to make use
of it. Yeah, it's exciting to

573
00:44:45.719 --> 00:44:50.400
think of. You know, some
scientist in a lab who creates his quantum

574
00:44:50.400 --> 00:44:55.800
communication device, turned it on and
all of a sudden he's talking to disembody

575
00:44:58.320 --> 00:45:04.519
souls and exeter rest rolls and that
like this communication device that gets to all

576
00:45:04.599 --> 00:45:12.519
of it opens up the incredible amount
of information and ability. Oh oh yeah,

577
00:45:12.639 --> 00:45:15.360
it opens a whole new world up. And that's what The Key is

578
00:45:15.360 --> 00:45:19.920
actually about. It's about opening up
a new world, but not a mystical

579
00:45:20.119 --> 00:45:23.559
world. It's a physical world,
a world of a new kind of science.

580
00:45:23.559 --> 00:45:28.440
Because you know, he goes,
he goes through a whole bunch of

581
00:45:28.480 --> 00:45:32.480
different scientific predictions in the man was
very, very careful this book. People

582
00:45:32.480 --> 00:45:37.119
have I've gotten accusations, Oh,
you wrote it yourself. Ah, you

583
00:45:37.199 --> 00:45:42.239
can't. It's impossible. No one
in nineteen ninety eight or even in two

584
00:45:42.280 --> 00:45:45.400
thousand and two when it was published, would ever have offered an opinion that

585
00:45:45.480 --> 00:45:51.920
a gas could be a form of
computer memory. It wouldn't. Never who

586
00:45:51.960 --> 00:45:54.239
would think that it was. When
I heard him say it, I thought

587
00:45:54.239 --> 00:45:59.280
it was stupid. And when I
thought when I was transcribing it, I

588
00:45:59.320 --> 00:46:01.400
thought to myself, that's something you
don't want to put in there, because

589
00:46:01.440 --> 00:46:07.760
it's like something out of the contactee
culture of the fifties is really really stupid

590
00:46:07.320 --> 00:46:14.039
pseudo science. But as I point
out in the interview introduction to The Key,

591
00:46:14.679 --> 00:46:21.159
it's now established reality. Yes you
can, all right, so,

592
00:46:21.320 --> 00:46:23.320
and I guess let's get back to
that. I was so excited, and

593
00:46:23.360 --> 00:46:25.719
we'll get we'll talk more about what
he had said. But I was so

594
00:46:25.880 --> 00:46:30.920
excited about getting into some of those
things. I guess there are the questions

595
00:46:30.559 --> 00:46:35.480
about, uh, the experience that
you had. So, you know,

596
00:46:35.519 --> 00:46:38.760
you're it's the middle of the night
and this guy comes to your hotel room.

597
00:46:39.760 --> 00:46:42.800
What did you think at first?
You know, when you open the

598
00:46:42.800 --> 00:46:45.960
door and you see this guy,
Well, not much. I didn't realize

599
00:46:46.000 --> 00:46:51.440
how long i'd been asleep. I
thought i'd had dinner about maybe ten and

600
00:46:51.559 --> 00:46:55.000
in the room, and so the
trade was still there and I had I

601
00:46:55.039 --> 00:46:58.880
was I believe I was still I'm
not. I guess I was already in

602
00:46:58.880 --> 00:47:02.199
my pajama. So I had had
undressed and I was in my pajamas and

603
00:47:02.239 --> 00:47:05.599
you were just lying kind of on
the top of the bed. I wasn't

604
00:47:05.639 --> 00:47:08.000
in the bed or anything. And
there came a knock at the door,

605
00:47:08.079 --> 00:47:12.519
just a tap, tap tap,
very polite, like a room service waiter

606
00:47:12.519 --> 00:47:14.559
would knock. And that's what I
thought it was. So I went to

607
00:47:14.599 --> 00:47:16.679
the door and I was just,
you know, opened the door. I

608
00:47:16.679 --> 00:47:20.719
didn't have accur to me there would
be any one except a room service waier,

609
00:47:20.719 --> 00:47:23.119
because who knew I was there?
The publicist knew, and maybe a

610
00:47:23.159 --> 00:47:27.840
couple other people at the publishing company
knew I was in the hotel, even

611
00:47:28.079 --> 00:47:30.920
the let alone. None of them
would know which room. No one needed

612
00:47:30.960 --> 00:47:37.440
to know that, you know,
so it would have run thing if he'd

613
00:47:37.480 --> 00:47:40.519
phoned. But it was an entirely
different thing to knock on the door.

614
00:47:40.559 --> 00:47:43.760
So I'd just assume, yes,
room service. I opened the door,

615
00:47:44.159 --> 00:47:49.039
and this guy comes in. Now
at that point I realized it's late.

616
00:47:49.599 --> 00:47:52.239
I didn't have my watch on,
but I could sense that it was really

617
00:47:52.320 --> 00:47:55.719
late, And later when I looked
at my watch, it was almost it

618
00:47:55.840 --> 00:47:59.679
was after two anyway, for sure, around three, as I recall.

619
00:48:00.519 --> 00:48:04.679
And you know, there's a rule
of thumb in the in the semi celebrity

620
00:48:04.719 --> 00:48:08.840
world of writers, where you know
if you're in fact, probably even more

621
00:48:08.880 --> 00:48:13.920
so in the real big time celebrity
world, you don't want to interact with

622
00:48:14.000 --> 00:48:17.960
anyone after midnight because anyone who comes
to talk to you after midnight is almost

623
00:48:19.000 --> 00:48:22.559
always going to be bad news.
So my initial response was to get him

624
00:48:22.559 --> 00:48:28.159
out of there. I wanted to
get rid of him. I didn't I

625
00:48:28.199 --> 00:48:30.679
didn't know what to make of him. And then but then he started talking,

626
00:48:30.719 --> 00:48:35.599
and that changed everything. After thirty
seconds or so. That was awesome

627
00:48:37.119 --> 00:48:40.480
in his appearance. You know,
did he seem to be I guess was

628
00:48:40.480 --> 00:48:46.760
he dressed well? And what is
his age area? Seemed to be dressed

629
00:48:46.760 --> 00:48:53.639
perfectly normally, and I believe charcoal
slacks and the dark gray turtleck and it's

630
00:48:53.800 --> 00:48:59.280
turned my sweater. And he looked
to me in his seventies somewhere. He

631
00:48:59.440 --> 00:49:01.360
was not an He didn't He wasn't
big, you know, he wasn't like

632
00:49:01.400 --> 00:49:05.719
a big hulk bruise or anything.
He was I would say he was on

633
00:49:05.800 --> 00:49:09.599
the light side. Physically. He
didn't look at all threatening. I mean

634
00:49:09.639 --> 00:49:13.880
I could have definitely taken the guy, no question in my mind, unless

635
00:49:13.880 --> 00:49:16.880
he had, you know, some
advanced holds or something. There's no question

636
00:49:16.920 --> 00:49:21.239
if we'd gotten physical, I could
have definitely gotten him out of there.

637
00:49:21.599 --> 00:49:23.440
No, I didn't. I didn't
feel at all intimidated. But I mean

638
00:49:23.480 --> 00:49:27.400
he was. He was a real
sweet looking guy. He was an older

639
00:49:27.400 --> 00:49:30.480
guy, and he uh, rather
pale, but not unusually so. I

640
00:49:30.480 --> 00:49:36.360
mean you could definitely, uh he
walked past him in the street or sat

641
00:49:36.360 --> 00:49:38.880
at a bus or even interacted with
him extensively. You never know there was

642
00:49:38.920 --> 00:49:45.159
anything unusual about him. He spoke
quite quickly, and he seemed terribly happy.

643
00:49:46.000 --> 00:49:50.400
That was the thing that struck me. The man was happy. Mm

644
00:49:50.480 --> 00:49:54.639
hmm, he was real, real
happy. Is that what won you over?

645
00:49:54.840 --> 00:49:59.400
I mean, how did I?
And the conversation that you have kind

646
00:49:59.400 --> 00:50:05.760
of starts where it seems like you
already have the impression that he's a wise

647
00:50:05.880 --> 00:50:13.480
person when you ask why he's there. I didn't put any of the bs

648
00:50:13.480 --> 00:50:15.719
of hey, wait a minute,
who are you and all that stuff that

649
00:50:15.239 --> 00:50:20.239
went on right before the conversation,
because what's the point. Everyone knows what

650
00:50:20.280 --> 00:50:22.199
went on. I probably cursed at
him. I mean I wasn't violent,

651
00:50:22.320 --> 00:50:27.480
but I certainly certainly was making it
very clear I wanted him out of there.

652
00:50:28.079 --> 00:50:31.679
How do you win you over?
Well, first he said you're changed.

653
00:50:32.039 --> 00:50:36.079
I asked him why you're here?
When he stood there, He stood

654
00:50:36.079 --> 00:50:38.119
there looking at me. He wasn't
leaving. Obviously, I was going to

655
00:50:38.199 --> 00:50:42.480
have to physically throw him out,
and I said why are you here?

656
00:50:43.039 --> 00:50:46.159
And he said you're chained to the
ground, And I thought, what the

657
00:50:47.000 --> 00:50:52.880
hell does that mean? And then
I said excuse me. And then he

658
00:50:52.880 --> 00:50:55.639
said I'm here on behalf of the
good. Please give me some time,

659
00:50:55.719 --> 00:51:00.800
and when he said please give me
some time, there was something of an

660
00:51:00.920 --> 00:51:05.679
urgency in that those words, and
that meant to me I was going to

661
00:51:05.719 --> 00:51:08.400
give him another couple of minutes,
for sure. And I guess the thing,

662
00:51:08.559 --> 00:51:10.679
you know, I said a few
other things, but the guess the

663
00:51:10.679 --> 00:51:16.559
thing that got me was a thing
that he said about the Holocaust, that

664
00:51:16.960 --> 00:51:24.000
we are not able to leave Earth
because we do not understand gravity, and

665
00:51:24.119 --> 00:51:31.639
we don't understand gravity because a child
who would have been born of parents who

666
00:51:31.719 --> 00:51:37.920
died in the Holocaust was not born, and therefore we are trapped on Earth.

667
00:51:38.000 --> 00:51:45.079
And that I had never heard anything
like that before, and that surprised

668
00:51:45.079 --> 00:51:49.840
me. That meant basically he had
my attention from then. All, yeah,

669
00:51:49.880 --> 00:51:52.599
that was an interesting concept. I
got come from it, you know

670
00:51:52.760 --> 00:51:55.079
what you said. And also he
kind of alluded to other intelligent people that

671
00:51:55.119 --> 00:52:00.880
we killed too many smart people and
too many smart people, and you know,

672
00:52:02.519 --> 00:52:06.519
oh God, I got in so
much trouble after the Key first came

673
00:52:06.559 --> 00:52:10.039
out, when these places like the
Jeff Rantz Show and stuff discovered that there

674
00:52:10.119 --> 00:52:15.719
was some pro Jewish sentiment in it, which I mean, I guess it

675
00:52:15.760 --> 00:52:19.000
is pro Jewish. I didn't think
of it that way myself. But boy,

676
00:52:19.159 --> 00:52:22.840
I mean there are a lot of
people who who don't like that idea.

677
00:52:23.519 --> 00:52:28.239
Yeah, it's interesting these people who
are adamant against the idea that the

678
00:52:28.280 --> 00:52:36.280
Holocaust happened when I don't understand that
concept personally. No, I don't either.

679
00:52:36.360 --> 00:52:39.440
I think it's deeply evil. I
think it's profound evil. It's evil,

680
00:52:39.480 --> 00:52:45.639
incarrent. You see evil in its
raw form when you see people claiming

681
00:52:45.679 --> 00:52:49.519
that the protocols of the Elders of
Zion are real, are claiming that the

682
00:52:49.559 --> 00:52:53.880
Holocaust never happened any of that stuff. And you know, we have to

683
00:52:53.920 --> 00:52:57.800
face the fact that I didn't do
it, and you didn't do it,

684
00:52:57.960 --> 00:53:01.800
none of our listeners did it.
But it happened. And this, the

685
00:53:01.880 --> 00:53:07.840
fact that we're still here isn't isn't
the kind of punishment at all. I

686
00:53:07.880 --> 00:53:09.519
mean, he doesn't think of it
that way at all. Right, We're

687
00:53:09.519 --> 00:53:14.920
still here because this happened. It's
not our fault. It's just the reality

688
00:53:14.960 --> 00:53:16.920
of the situation. They also a
lot of people getting every why should we

689
00:53:16.960 --> 00:53:21.719
be punished for a Holocaust? We're
not being punished. It's just it's just

690
00:53:21.840 --> 00:53:24.880
nature nature, you know. We
didn't get this, this guy didn't,

691
00:53:24.920 --> 00:53:30.199
this child didn't get born. Therefore
we'll still we're still here. Maybe sooner

692
00:53:30.320 --> 00:53:32.599
or later another child will be born, or someone will figure gravity out,

693
00:53:32.960 --> 00:53:37.079
because until we do that, we
are here. Rockets aren't gonna cut it

694
00:53:37.760 --> 00:53:44.880
right. Yeah, he gets into
well, he gets into a lot of

695
00:53:44.960 --> 00:53:50.960
like because you had asked him some
questions similar to that about guilt and feeling

696
00:53:51.000 --> 00:53:53.719
guilty and how do we shed that? And he, like you had said,

697
00:53:54.039 --> 00:53:58.039
you know, all these things are
part of nature. You just have

698
00:53:58.119 --> 00:54:05.199
to forgive and move on, which
it is pretty profound. I mean statements

699
00:54:05.239 --> 00:54:09.119
like that. How much of an
effect did this conversation have on you?

700
00:54:09.760 --> 00:54:14.119
Did it change the way you think? Huh? That changed my whole life,

701
00:54:14.440 --> 00:54:17.599
rocked me to the core, rocked
me the core. That absolutely rocked

702
00:54:17.639 --> 00:54:23.599
me to the core. I was
completely taken by it. That was flabberguest

703
00:54:24.239 --> 00:54:29.079
the things that got There's so many
new ideas. I think practically everything I've

704
00:54:29.079 --> 00:54:32.480
written since that conversation in nineteen ninety
eight has had in some way or another

705
00:54:34.159 --> 00:54:38.719
connection to it. The book Superstorm
came out of that conversation and then became

706
00:54:38.760 --> 00:54:43.519
the movie the day after tomorrow.
I don't think the Grays came out of

707
00:54:43.559 --> 00:54:47.880
it, but other things certainly did. Other books certainly did it. The

708
00:54:49.079 --> 00:54:52.480
latest one, Hybrids, comes right
out of this conversation because I had the

709
00:54:52.679 --> 00:55:01.760
eeriest and most wonderful exchange with him
about intelligence machines. It was remarkable.

710
00:55:02.079 --> 00:55:07.239
And this is because what made it
so remarkable, this is a man who's

711
00:55:07.239 --> 00:55:10.639
had experience with intelligent machines. He
knows what they are, he lives with

712
00:55:10.679 --> 00:55:15.880
them, obviously, and my wife
thinks he's from the future. She says

713
00:55:15.880 --> 00:55:20.119
to me, it's you from the
future. And you know, I'm now

714
00:55:20.159 --> 00:55:23.480
about maybe ten years younger than he
was, so I've got a lot of

715
00:55:23.480 --> 00:55:28.639
living to do if I'm going to
come back to myself in nineteen ninety eight

716
00:55:28.760 --> 00:55:35.639
from twenty twenty twenty. But I
don't know if that's true or not.

717
00:55:36.039 --> 00:55:38.480
I have no idea. And that
was kind of an interesting statement when you

718
00:55:38.519 --> 00:55:42.440
ask him on who are you?
You know you're a real person, I'm

719
00:55:42.519 --> 00:55:46.079
chair or not? And he was
Canadian. Yeah, but he didn't pay

720
00:55:46.119 --> 00:55:52.519
taxes. Not a single Canadian who
has talked to me about this book has

721
00:55:52.599 --> 00:55:55.280
failed to notice that, because if
you're a Canadian, you're gonna pay taxes,

722
00:55:57.400 --> 00:56:00.760
but not necessarily. And I'll tell
you why. There are native tribes

723
00:56:00.800 --> 00:56:06.639
in Canada who do not pay taxes. The Micmac Indians are one of them.

724
00:56:07.039 --> 00:56:10.039
And the Mgmoks have a very European
look to them. And they might

725
00:56:10.119 --> 00:56:17.480
have been they might It might be
that Johnson Clair, the Templar leader who

726
00:56:17.880 --> 00:56:25.000
apparently came in the thirteenth century to
Newfoundland with a group of template exiles from

727
00:56:25.000 --> 00:56:31.760
Europe after the burning of Jack de
Malay, settled there and inner bread with

728
00:56:31.800 --> 00:56:35.960
those Indians, which is why so
many of them have a very European look

729
00:56:36.039 --> 00:56:39.159
to them. Now, maybe that's
what he was. Maybe that's what he

730
00:56:39.280 --> 00:56:43.039
was. And I tried to find
out, and I'll tell you this.

731
00:56:43.119 --> 00:56:46.079
I did find out one thing.
That tribe's got a lot of secrets.

732
00:56:46.280 --> 00:56:52.199
They have deep, profound secrets and
knowledge that they do not share with outsiders.

733
00:56:52.480 --> 00:56:59.000
I also went into the Templar community
in Canada, which is a very

734
00:56:59.039 --> 00:57:06.079
living part of Mason in Canada.
And I never actually met the Master of

735
00:57:06.119 --> 00:57:08.360
the Key again, but I wouldn't
be surprised if I hadn't talked to people

736
00:57:08.400 --> 00:57:13.440
who knew him. I didn't think
he was the angel or anything. He

737
00:57:13.519 --> 00:57:19.519
seemed too totally human to me.
It was a guy hopefully from this planet,

738
00:57:19.639 --> 00:57:23.280
hopefully this time. Maybe he was
from the future. I don't though

739
00:57:23.599 --> 00:57:28.920
well. And you know, speaking
of secrecy, and you know the tribes

740
00:57:28.960 --> 00:57:31.960
with their secrets, it's something you
talk to him also, and something that

741
00:57:32.000 --> 00:57:37.400
you said you were even angered by, something you obviously were not happy with

742
00:57:37.480 --> 00:57:40.559
that when you spoke with him.
Was the secrecy for instance, with the

743
00:57:40.760 --> 00:57:45.559
entities. You know, of course
you're well known for your abduction experiences,

744
00:57:45.920 --> 00:57:51.840
them not coming forward and others not
coming forward with the information that they're here

745
00:57:52.000 --> 00:57:55.039
or the information that they have to
the general public. And he kind of

746
00:57:55.079 --> 00:58:00.480
spoke to that. Was he able
to leave some of that frustrated for you

747
00:58:00.599 --> 00:58:05.119
or do you still have it?
I think we're in an endgame scenario here.

748
00:58:05.280 --> 00:58:07.760
I think that our world, as
the ability to support us, is

749
00:58:07.800 --> 00:58:14.599
disintegrating around our ears, and I
am frantic for something to help us in

750
00:58:14.679 --> 00:58:19.960
some way because, believe you me, in fact, if the hierarchtic is

751
00:58:20.000 --> 00:58:23.400
this hot next summer, this coming
summer in July and August in September,

752
00:58:23.679 --> 00:58:29.519
as it was last summer, methane
outgassing in that area of the world is

753
00:58:29.559 --> 00:58:34.239
going to become completely go completely out
of control, and that is going to

754
00:58:34.639 --> 00:58:39.079
derange our climate even more profoundly and
very dangerously. And I just am worried,

755
00:58:39.159 --> 00:58:44.760
sick. Frankly, I think that
I wish he had given me a

756
00:58:44.800 --> 00:58:49.719
lot more practical information, but he
gave me so much. And yet,

757
00:58:49.880 --> 00:58:53.559
you know how many people read the
Key when it was available on my website,

758
00:58:53.599 --> 00:58:59.360
about two thousand people. How many
people will read the Key once it's

759
00:58:59.519 --> 00:59:05.280
out, oh maybe another twenty in
the in the bookstores if people pick up

760
00:59:05.320 --> 00:59:07.679
on it and tell their friends,
which they may or may not do.

761
00:59:07.480 --> 00:59:12.880
But basically, what you find out
when you're in a situation like I'm in,

762
00:59:13.320 --> 00:59:16.119
of knowing a lot more about what's
happening to us than most people do

763
00:59:16.239 --> 00:59:20.840
is two things. First, people
are going to be in denial. They

764
00:59:20.840 --> 00:59:24.199
are gonna not believe you until after
it happens. In the second, those

765
00:59:24.199 --> 00:59:29.840
who aren't in denial, ninety nine
percent of them are completely passive. They

766
00:59:29.840 --> 00:59:35.800
are inert, They don't do anything. They simply engage in their daily lives

767
00:59:35.960 --> 00:59:40.079
until they can't do that anymore,
and it becomes very frightening. The number

768
00:59:40.159 --> 00:59:45.360
of people who are active in this
world is minute and the number of active

769
00:59:45.400 --> 00:59:52.280
intellectually and politically, et cetera,
active people who would entertain these ideas or

770
00:59:52.360 --> 00:59:57.199
think that it would even be worth
opening a book like the Key is infinitesmal.

771
00:59:57.800 --> 01:00:02.039
So I think whatever nature he has
in store for us is what's going

772
01:00:02.079 --> 01:00:07.320
to happen. And that's why I'm
scared. Yeah, and you know you

773
01:00:07.440 --> 01:00:09.639
brought that up in your book and
it's something I've thought about too, is

774
01:00:09.679 --> 01:00:15.760
that, you know, is the
mess weehing completely of our making humans?

775
01:00:15.760 --> 01:00:20.000
And if not, does that justify
then a third party coming in and helping

776
01:00:20.079 --> 01:00:22.719
us? Because you know, when
you think of like the prime directive or

777
01:00:22.760 --> 01:00:29.360
you know, not to get involved
in something obviously something we're being interacted with,

778
01:00:29.440 --> 01:00:32.159
and does that justify us getting help? And I'm like you, I

779
01:00:32.239 --> 01:00:36.840
hope so. And do you think
that we are being helped at all?

780
01:00:37.719 --> 01:00:42.480
Well? I know we are and
I can tell you precisely how because you

781
01:00:42.480 --> 01:00:45.840
know, my wife is a science
editor at a really really good one.

782
01:00:45.440 --> 01:00:50.199
She at its unknown country dot com
and she does a lot of other things

783
01:00:50.199 --> 01:00:54.719
in that area. And she discovered
a paper which indicated that when people are

784
01:00:55.360 --> 01:01:00.519
challenged with questions, they can't answer, for example, if they see the

785
01:01:00.719 --> 01:01:06.239
surreal work of someone like Franz Kafka, or if they are challenged by something

786
01:01:06.280 --> 01:01:12.519
like the UFO enigma, the brain
actually responds organically and they become smarter,

787
01:01:12.880 --> 01:01:19.400
they become more logical. And this
is happening to people all over the world.

788
01:01:19.960 --> 01:01:24.440
The whole UFO phenomenon, the mysterious
crop circles, the enigmatic cattle mutilations,

789
01:01:24.440 --> 01:01:29.920
the lights in the sky, the
seeming threat that never really evolves into

790
01:01:29.920 --> 01:01:34.840
anything, of abductions. All of
that brings up a question that we cannot

791
01:01:35.400 --> 01:01:39.960
answer and that we cannot let go, and that actually changes physically the brain.

792
01:01:40.440 --> 01:01:46.599
Everybody who is addressing this in any
way whatsoever is getting smarter. Now

793
01:01:46.880 --> 01:01:51.559
that's awesome. So certainly somebody is
helping us, but you can see here

794
01:01:51.960 --> 01:01:57.400
they're helping us in a very very
passive way. They're not actually coming out

795
01:01:57.559 --> 01:02:02.880
and trying to change the fur of
the river of human fate, as it

796
01:02:04.000 --> 01:02:07.840
were. And whether or not they
would do that or even be able to,

797
01:02:07.000 --> 01:02:12.840
I don't know. I do know
that back in the fifties we shot

798
01:02:12.840 --> 01:02:19.920
at him, and I know that
because doctor Milton Torres his experience that he

799
01:02:20.000 --> 01:02:24.440
had as a pilot over Surrey in
nineteen fifty seven when he was actually ordered

800
01:02:24.480 --> 01:02:30.199
to shoot at a UFO. Was
remained completely classified for years, and then

801
01:02:30.440 --> 01:02:34.079
it came out. It was released
by the British Ministry of Defense, and

802
01:02:34.159 --> 01:02:37.599
doctor Torres came forward and said,
yes, it happened. I was ordered

803
01:02:37.639 --> 01:02:40.760
to shoot down a UFO and I
did go up there. I was getting

804
01:02:40.760 --> 01:02:44.719
ready to fire my rockets at it, and I didn't fire them because it

805
01:02:44.719 --> 01:02:51.599
disappeared before my eyes. I disappeared
off of radar rather. And so when

806
01:02:52.039 --> 01:02:55.559
you know they're in the Indian Ocean
during the tsunami, there's a little island

807
01:02:55.599 --> 01:03:00.639
in that ocean that is protected by
the Indian government. No one is allowed

808
01:03:00.719 --> 01:03:04.559
near it. And the reason is
that there was a tribe on that island

809
01:03:04.559 --> 01:03:08.400
who never sees anybody. They've never
had any interaction with anyone, not in

810
01:03:08.519 --> 01:03:15.440
thousands of years, probably hundreds or
thousands of years. So when the tsunami

811
01:03:15.480 --> 01:03:19.280
came, the government was concerned about
them and wanted to see if they needed

812
01:03:19.320 --> 01:03:23.119
help, so sent a helicopter to
fly around their island. And as the

813
01:03:23.159 --> 01:03:29.639
helicopter flew around their island here they
came running out onto the beach with their

814
01:03:29.679 --> 01:03:34.280
shields and their spears, shaking their
spears and firing arrows at the helicopter.

815
01:03:34.880 --> 01:03:37.480
And I thought, oh, ohow
sweet, oh, you know, it's

816
01:03:37.480 --> 01:03:43.559
breaking my heart to see these innocent
people. And I thought the whole planet

817
01:03:43.599 --> 01:03:47.599
looks like that to the visitors.
And no, I don't think they can

818
01:03:47.679 --> 01:03:52.280
land because I don't think there's room
for them here yet. We're too crazy

819
01:03:52.360 --> 01:03:55.599
right now. We need to calm
down. And the best people, the

820
01:03:55.639 --> 01:04:00.599
people who can really do this,
who God knows who they are. I

821
01:04:00.599 --> 01:04:05.719
mean, those of us who at
least wouldn't shoot back need to be the

822
01:04:05.719 --> 01:04:11.760
ones that are that are on the
on the front line. But that's not

823
01:04:11.800 --> 01:04:14.320
going to be the way it happens. If the visitors showed up, you

824
01:04:14.360 --> 01:04:18.400
can be sure that there would be
navy seals, waves of helicopters armed to

825
01:04:18.559 --> 01:04:23.960
the teeth. If they landed,
what are they going to do about that?

826
01:04:25.320 --> 01:04:29.119
Just leave again? Yeah? Or
do like you know, I kind

827
01:04:29.159 --> 01:04:31.519
of allude to that the abduction thing. For instance, if we wanted to

828
01:04:31.519 --> 01:04:35.039
help those people on the island,
we might have to shoot them with tranquilizers

829
01:04:35.079 --> 01:04:41.239
and take them up the island when
they're out. Well, that's true,

830
01:04:41.400 --> 01:04:45.559
And also if you thought that they
were going to go extinct, you might

831
01:04:45.639 --> 01:04:50.599
take sexual material in DNA and things
from them in order to reconstitute the species

832
01:04:50.639 --> 01:04:56.280
somewhere else. You could any All
of this stuff works in a kind of

833
01:04:56.400 --> 01:04:59.760
basic way. It all makes a
kind of sense if you look at it

834
01:05:00.079 --> 01:05:02.280
right way. On the one hand. On the other hand, I don't

835
01:05:02.320 --> 01:05:05.119
even know what the visitors are.
I can't tell you they're from another planet.

836
01:05:05.159 --> 01:05:09.119
They never said anything like about that
to me, any of them,

837
01:05:09.400 --> 01:05:13.360
and certainly the master of the key
if he was from another planet. They

838
01:05:13.400 --> 01:05:17.719
speak excellent English, right, And
you know that that brings me to you

839
01:05:17.760 --> 01:05:21.800
know, John Mack, for instance, in some of these others, I

840
01:05:23.159 --> 01:05:27.719
feel like I've seen evidence that you
know, at least some of these experiences

841
01:05:27.840 --> 01:05:31.239
are very physical. But with your
experiences, do you believe because of course

842
01:05:31.320 --> 01:05:38.960
John Mack felt these experiences were non
physical. Yeah, John and I talked

843
01:05:39.000 --> 01:05:43.199
a lot about that, because I'm
in another completely different camp there. I

844
01:05:43.239 --> 01:05:45.400
got raped on the night of December
of the twenty sixth, nineteen eighty five,

845
01:05:45.440 --> 01:05:49.480
and you know, it was so
harsh that I still have to be

846
01:05:49.519 --> 01:05:54.039
treated for it. I was treated
for it about six weeks ago. Because

847
01:05:54.079 --> 01:05:58.840
of the damage that was done to
my body. And you know that that's

848
01:05:58.960 --> 01:06:02.639
that's not an imaginary experience. I
didn't have a bad dream. He didn't

849
01:06:02.679 --> 01:06:06.800
have a bad dream the last thirty
years. Another thing. In May of

850
01:06:06.920 --> 01:06:12.239
nineteen eighty nine, an implant was
put into my left ear which is still

851
01:06:12.280 --> 01:06:16.039
there. It's still there because it
was so technologically advanced that the doctor tried

852
01:06:16.039 --> 01:06:18.840
to take it out was unable to
do so because it moved down into the

853
01:06:18.880 --> 01:06:25.920
bottom of my ear lobe, absolutely
under its own power. And he closed

854
01:06:25.960 --> 01:06:30.400
the wound because the suits the incision, because he couldn't possibly get it at

855
01:06:30.400 --> 01:06:33.400
that point. And once the incision
was closed, three days later, the

856
01:06:33.480 --> 01:06:36.679
thing went back up. And I
left it there because I didn't know whether

857
01:06:36.719 --> 01:06:41.159
it was for its safety or my
safety, or both of our safeties that

858
01:06:41.199 --> 01:06:44.840
had eluded capture. But it was
put in by people, two people.

859
01:06:44.880 --> 01:06:47.440
I saw him. I wasn't asleep
when they came into the room. They

860
01:06:47.440 --> 01:06:50.760
came right into the bedroom in the
middle of the night. They incapacitated me.

861
01:06:50.800 --> 01:06:55.039
But I saw perfectly clearly before they
came. It was a man and

862
01:06:55.079 --> 01:06:58.079
a woman, and there was something
behind them. I'd never really I didn't

863
01:06:58.119 --> 01:07:00.480
see that, but there was something
or someone else behind them, and they

864
01:07:00.519 --> 01:07:03.480
were outside too, because as I
woke up, I heard a voice in

865
01:07:03.519 --> 01:07:09.320
the backyard say condition read, and
then I heard them all running away.

866
01:07:09.960 --> 01:07:15.440
Yeah, so it's all it's quite
physical at times. Does that mean that

867
01:07:15.519 --> 01:07:23.320
it's basically a physical event that is
being confused by a lot of non physical

868
01:07:23.360 --> 01:07:28.719
effects, or is a fundamentally non
physical event that can sometimes putetrate into the

869
01:07:28.719 --> 01:07:33.559
physical. I don't know, right, And it's interesting you talk about the

870
01:07:33.719 --> 01:07:38.599
enigmatic, which you know, of
course your experiences are in many are Because

871
01:07:38.960 --> 01:07:43.639
I just wrote something about I've always
felt the trickster and the Native American story

872
01:07:43.760 --> 01:07:48.960
that I grew up with were representative
of a very similar and enigmatic nature for

873
01:07:49.000 --> 01:07:56.559
that purpose to humble less and make
us grow. And amongst seasoned researchers in

874
01:07:56.559 --> 01:08:03.679
this field, that idea comes out
over and over and over again the colleagues

875
01:08:03.719 --> 01:08:06.760
that I speak with. So I
wrote about that, and it's an interesting

876
01:08:06.800 --> 01:08:14.039
aspect. And I didn't know that
it's been proven that dealing with enigmatic issues

877
01:08:14.119 --> 01:08:17.520
that makes you smarter. Yeah,
but it has. It certainly does,

878
01:08:17.680 --> 01:08:21.600
and it's it's working for you.
Probably it's just working for all of us

879
01:08:23.199 --> 01:08:26.880
whole field. We're gonna end up
a bunch of geniuses and then figure out,

880
01:08:26.920 --> 01:08:29.359
we'll figure out how gravity works and
we'll get the hell out of here

881
01:08:29.520 --> 01:08:32.399
just in time. Yeah, yeah, I hope so too. We don't

882
01:08:32.439 --> 01:08:35.720
have too much time. It's kind
of scary now, we don't have much

883
01:08:35.720 --> 01:08:41.600
time left at all. No,
what would you ask to me? If

884
01:08:41.600 --> 01:08:46.199
the methane hydrates under the Arctic Ocean
start out guessing, then that's the end

885
01:08:46.279 --> 01:08:50.960
game. That if they start,
if you start hearing reports that the that

886
01:08:51.039 --> 01:08:58.319
the high Arctic Ocean is like carbonated
water some summer, it's it's bubbling and

887
01:08:58.600 --> 01:09:05.319
fizzing. That'sane, And then we're
going to go into a cataclysmic climate event

888
01:09:06.479 --> 01:09:11.000
very much like the one that the
Master of the Key describes. Because remember,

889
01:09:11.960 --> 01:09:15.119
every week, we don't want to
feel defenseless and helpless, so no

890
01:09:15.199 --> 01:09:18.760
one will say the truth, and
that is that has now been amply proved

891
01:09:19.159 --> 01:09:24.520
by science, that climate change takes
place sometimes as as quickly as thirty days,

892
01:09:25.000 --> 01:09:29.399
and stays in a new phase for
hundreds or thousands of years, and

893
01:09:29.439 --> 01:09:32.079
that we could be up against that. And if we are, then I

894
01:09:32.119 --> 01:09:35.880
can tell you precisely what's going to
happen. But it's now the bread basket

895
01:09:35.920 --> 01:09:41.119
of the world, the Middle Canada
and the Middle United States going to experience

896
01:09:41.119 --> 01:09:48.399
a protracted drought and when that happens, basically the world will starve. Basically,

897
01:09:50.319 --> 01:09:53.800
some of some kind will be the
last to go. I mean,

898
01:09:53.880 --> 01:09:56.960
you know us in the Canadians,
but the rest of the world has really

899
01:09:56.960 --> 01:10:00.800
got a problem. In Europe's a
huge problem, China, Russia, they're

900
01:10:00.840 --> 01:10:06.039
all India, the Middle East,
they're all fantastically vulnerable. And it could

901
01:10:06.079 --> 01:10:11.479
happen in a single season. Wow. Yeah, it's pretty scary. I've

902
01:10:11.720 --> 01:10:15.319
seen on shows on the methane and
how if that were to happen and the

903
01:10:15.359 --> 01:10:19.560
boats that were over these pockets would
sink, and the methane gas itself is

904
01:10:19.640 --> 01:10:24.880
poisonous, so it's a very scary
scenario. It's a very scary scenario,

905
01:10:24.960 --> 01:10:29.520
and it happens. It has happened
in the past. It is the climax

906
01:10:29.720 --> 01:10:34.560
of every single interglacial And this is
another thing. The environmental community is so

907
01:10:34.680 --> 01:10:40.760
bent on saying it's all our fault, and then that makes the conservatives,

908
01:10:40.760 --> 01:10:45.479
the corporate community say none of it's
our fault. But the truth is right

909
01:10:45.520 --> 01:10:49.560
in between. This is a natural
event. It is a we are moving

910
01:10:49.600 --> 01:10:55.640
out of an interglacial into another glacial
phase. No one understands quite why that

911
01:10:55.760 --> 01:11:00.960
happens, but it does happen,
and we have sped up the process by

912
01:11:00.000 --> 01:11:05.680
emitting so much carbon dioxide human beings
have. That's that's what we actually have

913
01:11:05.800 --> 01:11:11.159
done. And I'm not so sure
that pointing fingers really makes any difference,

914
01:11:11.399 --> 01:11:14.199
right, you know, I just
don't see it. I see it as

915
01:11:14.199 --> 01:11:20.720
a natural phenomenon that we should have
planned for, rather than gone and sniping

916
01:11:20.720 --> 01:11:27.640
at each other about who's who's to
blame. We wasted a whole generation on

917
01:11:27.720 --> 01:11:32.079
that when we should have been planning
carefully for this event, which we're still

918
01:11:32.119 --> 01:11:36.600
not really actively doing much about,
not at all, not at all.

919
01:11:38.199 --> 01:11:42.319
We are not planning for it in
any significant way whatsoever. It's going to

920
01:11:42.439 --> 01:11:45.000
happen. Whatever is going to happen, will happen. The dye has already

921
01:11:45.000 --> 01:11:47.720
been cast. There's no sense in
worrying about planning for it and thinking to

922
01:11:47.760 --> 01:11:50.640
myself, Oh, somebody's got to
get do something about this. It's too

923
01:11:50.720 --> 01:11:55.520
late. It's going to happen the
way it's going to happen, and there's

924
01:11:55.560 --> 01:12:00.359
a very complex interaction taking place right
now between Earth and Sun, in fact,

925
01:12:00.359 --> 01:12:03.199
the whole Solar system that we don't
fully understand, because if you've noticed,

926
01:12:03.199 --> 01:12:08.800
it's been much colder and much hotter
here on Earth in the past couple

927
01:12:08.880 --> 01:12:15.600
of years, and weather is extremely
violent and very changeable, and we don't

928
01:12:15.640 --> 01:12:19.520
know quite why. We don't know
quite why it was so much colder this

929
01:12:19.600 --> 01:12:25.960
winter than anyone predicted. It's not
part of the global warming models absolutely now.

930
01:12:26.000 --> 01:12:28.199
Of course now they say that it
is, But if you'd asked them

931
01:12:28.279 --> 01:12:33.199
last last summer, they would have
said no. But we do know this.

932
01:12:33.840 --> 01:12:38.239
We do know that for the past
two point eight million years, every

933
01:12:38.239 --> 01:12:43.640
one hundred thousand years or so,
this planet has moved from a cycle of

934
01:12:44.720 --> 01:12:48.880
warmth the last ten or fifteen thousand
years to a long cold spell. And

935
01:12:48.960 --> 01:12:57.840
at the period when the change over
takes place, carbon dioxide spikes as it

936
01:12:57.960 --> 01:13:04.439
is doing, methane spikes even more. And then when the methane boils off

937
01:13:04.479 --> 01:13:10.680
because it's a short lived gas,
it doesn't last like carbon dioxide. Suddenly,

938
01:13:11.239 --> 01:13:15.920
during that time when they're spiking,
apparently something is happening to the Sun.

939
01:13:15.439 --> 01:13:19.960
And when the methane is gone,
it turns out there's not enough solar

940
01:13:20.000 --> 01:13:25.800
heat, and the whole place turns
into an ice that goes it turns into

941
01:13:25.840 --> 01:13:29.479
ice. You know, it might
be that what we're seeing here is our

942
01:13:29.560 --> 01:13:32.880
star is getting old and we are
the children of an old, old mother.

943
01:13:33.840 --> 01:13:39.319
Yeah. Now, moving to a
different object one that I wanted to

944
01:13:39.359 --> 01:13:44.119
bring up, The Master of the
Key with very critical of the United States

945
01:13:44.159 --> 01:13:50.399
in particular, quite a lot about
that, how they what an evil empire

946
01:13:50.479 --> 01:13:56.359
we've been, especially since the fifty
Yeah, well, he sure was,

947
01:13:56.479 --> 01:14:01.560
and he was right about that in
the sense that he was. What he

948
01:14:01.720 --> 01:14:12.560
was he was so concerned about was
the way the secrets, secrecy destroys the

949
01:14:13.000 --> 01:14:17.119
chance of the soul to grow.
And he felt, he said that the

950
01:14:18.119 --> 01:14:25.960
secrecy stops with where the republic starts, I mean secrecy. The republic stops

951
01:14:25.960 --> 01:14:32.279
where secrecy starts. Are worth to
that effect somewhere in there, And he

952
01:14:32.279 --> 01:14:38.640
he is, he is very critical
because a lot of things have happened here

953
01:14:38.640 --> 01:14:45.199
that have been wrong. This country
has been on a has been sitting astride

954
01:14:45.279 --> 01:14:47.479
the world for a long time now, and we've made a lot of mistakes.

955
01:14:47.960 --> 01:14:50.760
And those mistakes are going to come
homes. But at the same time,

956
01:14:51.800 --> 01:14:59.960
and there's a there is a willingness
to address the potential of the human

957
01:15:00.159 --> 01:15:06.399
spirit here, which is very far
from the negative attitudes that he has towards

958
01:15:06.920 --> 01:15:15.439
the various governments that we have created, very very different. So and that

959
01:15:15.680 --> 01:15:20.560
is, you know, there's a
lot about being able to the whole idea

960
01:15:20.640 --> 01:15:27.600
of evolution and us what we can
do to move on. But what would

961
01:15:27.600 --> 01:15:33.880
you say, have you learned what
people can do to help mitigate some of

962
01:15:33.920 --> 01:15:39.920
the scary things we're looking at?
Well, you know that gets into the

963
01:15:39.960 --> 01:15:44.960
whole survivalist thing. You know,
I gotta buy hundreds of pounds piece and

964
01:15:45.000 --> 01:15:48.279
stuff. This is too big,
This is too big. It's going to

965
01:15:48.319 --> 01:15:54.600
affect us all in however way it
happens to. There isn't any amelioration possible

966
01:15:54.600 --> 01:15:59.560
anymore beyond we're past that stage.
That was true in the nineteen eighties and

967
01:15:59.600 --> 01:16:00.880
even in the in the nineteen nineties, but we didn't do it. Now

968
01:16:00.920 --> 01:16:04.880
it's too late. It's going to
just happen the way it happens. So

969
01:16:05.159 --> 01:16:10.640
maybe the advice you can take from
the masters to cultivate your soul so you're

970
01:16:10.680 --> 01:16:15.600
ready for your next adventure. Well, I think that's very clear that mankind

971
01:16:15.760 --> 01:16:20.239
is being born. The age of
the water, age of a query is

972
01:16:20.520 --> 01:16:25.399
everyone was all wonderful, age of
peace, and well not so true.

973
01:16:25.520 --> 01:16:29.399
The water carrier pours the water out, and we're the little fish that has

974
01:16:29.439 --> 01:16:31.640
been swimming in the water with a
little fish of pisces, that's been swimming

975
01:16:31.640 --> 01:16:36.159
in the river of the of the
world for these last two thousand years.

976
01:16:36.760 --> 01:16:41.760
Now the river's dry it up,
and look at it. Look at Texas,

977
01:16:41.760 --> 01:16:47.399
look at the look at Brazil.
The these these places are in maybe

978
01:16:47.479 --> 01:16:53.119
not Texas, but certainly the Matto
Grosso, the Brazilian rainforest is in a

979
01:16:53.159 --> 01:16:56.760
climactic drought. This is, that
is to say, a drought that isn't

980
01:16:56.800 --> 01:17:00.119
going to be broken, and that
whole forest it's just going to disappear,

981
01:17:00.159 --> 01:17:05.880
and with it one of the great
oxygenating engines and carbon dioxide absorbing engines on

982
01:17:05.920 --> 01:17:11.399
this planet. And that is not
that is going to happen. It is

983
01:17:11.880 --> 01:17:19.600
happening now. Uh So, what's
happening is on an astrological level, the

984
01:17:19.600 --> 01:17:25.840
waters are being poured out and the
little fish with them, and the little

985
01:17:25.880 --> 01:17:31.079
fish ends up on dry land.
That's us but we have gills and flippers.

986
01:17:31.439 --> 01:17:36.079
We're not equipped to swim or to
do anything on dry land except dry

987
01:17:36.119 --> 01:17:43.199
out and die. But this is
a big, old, complicated universe,

988
01:17:44.039 --> 01:17:48.399
and that ain't the whole story,
I can assure you. So are you

989
01:17:49.039 --> 01:17:54.880
do you fill in our in your
lifetime then, and are possibly in the

990
01:17:54.920 --> 01:18:01.600
next few years, prior to perhaps
all of the real bad cataclysmic event that

991
01:18:01.640 --> 01:18:12.439
we will be able to more immac
interact with some of these entities on the

992
01:18:12.479 --> 01:18:15.439
other side, Well, we're interacting
with them plenty right now. You should

993
01:18:15.600 --> 01:18:19.640
go to my website, and I
mean it's not actually visible on the website,

994
01:18:19.680 --> 01:18:24.600
but people send us close experiences about
close encounters. Every single day.

995
01:18:25.359 --> 01:18:29.359
We get we got probably get fifty
a week. And these are usually things

996
01:18:29.399 --> 01:18:32.079
that have just happened to me last
night, last yesterday, after my husband

997
01:18:32.119 --> 01:18:36.960
over the weekend. It's happening right
now. We are involved in whoever or

998
01:18:36.960 --> 01:18:41.840
whatever they are, they're here now
doing their thing. It hasn't it hasn't

999
01:18:41.840 --> 01:18:46.840
abated at all. But people have
learned it's dangerous to to to to tell

1000
01:18:46.960 --> 01:18:50.439
friends or to tell anyone, so
they have an outlet. They put it

1001
01:18:50.520 --> 01:18:54.880
up on our on our site,
and they can do that anonymously, and

1002
01:18:54.960 --> 01:18:59.439
so they have at least someone to
tell. And so as soon as that

1003
01:18:59.479 --> 01:19:02.920
became that, they started in again. You know, I thought, back

1004
01:19:02.960 --> 01:19:06.640
before we changed the Unknown Country into
a new type of website, we redesigned

1005
01:19:06.640 --> 01:19:10.399
it, I thought, maybe the
close encounter experiences are sort of dying out,

1006
01:19:10.399 --> 01:19:15.279
but they're not at all what the
social opprobrium that's associated with them has

1007
01:19:15.319 --> 01:19:19.720
grown. You can't say that this
happened to you around work and expect to

1008
01:19:19.720 --> 01:19:26.720
be remain there for very long.
If you tell people friends, those friends

1009
01:19:26.720 --> 01:19:29.680
are going to be laughing at you
for the rest of your life. If

1010
01:19:29.680 --> 01:19:31.560
you tell family, you're going to
have likely to have quite a bit of

1011
01:19:31.640 --> 01:19:34.840
trouble. And if you're it should
God forbid, end up in a divorced

1012
01:19:34.840 --> 01:19:40.239
situation and you've told your husband or
wife about your close encounter experiences, you

1013
01:19:40.279 --> 01:19:45.720
can expect you ain't going to get
the kids. So people circumspect now when

1014
01:19:45.800 --> 01:19:53.399
it comes to these people having different
at accounts, you know, people that

1015
01:19:53.560 --> 01:20:00.640
seem to believe that they're communicating with
some of these things, all of messages.

1016
01:20:00.720 --> 01:20:04.039
There's kind of a similar line,
but there there are big differences.

1017
01:20:04.399 --> 01:20:11.239
How do you count for the differences
in the stories or the communications. Well,

1018
01:20:11.279 --> 01:20:15.399
first of all, whatever is out
there or in here is incredibly complicated,

1019
01:20:15.319 --> 01:20:21.359
so many different ways of manifesting its
reality. It's very complicated. It's

1020
01:20:21.640 --> 01:20:27.039
very brilliant, and we are too. I mean, we're very brilliant and

1021
01:20:27.039 --> 01:20:30.319
we're very complicated. And so you're
going to get a whole lot of different

1022
01:20:31.000 --> 01:20:34.479
every time that interaction takes place.
It's going to be different. The fact

1023
01:20:34.479 --> 01:20:38.079
that you know people they used to
make a big deal. Oh, they're

1024
01:20:38.119 --> 01:20:42.359
all seeing the same uniforms, the
same belt buckles. It's scientists from another

1025
01:20:42.399 --> 01:20:46.239
planet. I'm sorry. This is
just way way different from that. People

1026
01:20:46.319 --> 01:20:53.560
have all kinds of interactions at all
different levels in this thing, and there's

1027
01:20:53.640 --> 01:20:59.199
a matrix that they follow, certainly, but but it's only it's only a

1028
01:20:59.439 --> 01:21:03.399
very gen role matrix. It doesn't
it's not nearly as focused down as some

1029
01:21:03.479 --> 01:21:08.560
of the UFO people would like us
to believe. It's very much unfocused.

1030
01:21:08.560 --> 01:21:11.720
And you see all kinds of different
things, all kinds of different things.

1031
01:21:12.159 --> 01:21:15.359
Yeah, so your website is unknown
country. And I noticed in the book,

1032
01:21:15.439 --> 01:21:19.000
you know, one of the lines
that you were even kind of had

1033
01:21:19.039 --> 01:21:23.840
an effect on you from the Master
of the Key was talking about how the

1034
01:21:23.880 --> 01:21:30.239
backyard, your backyard, could be
your undiscovered country. Did you take that

1035
01:21:30.319 --> 01:21:34.960
line? Did you modify that for
your website? I don't think I did.

1036
01:21:35.039 --> 01:21:39.119
I think that line. I don't
know where exactly what you're talking about,

1037
01:21:39.159 --> 01:21:43.199
but that line is in there,
that you make the undiscovered country your

1038
01:21:43.239 --> 01:21:46.439
own backyard, right, And you
know he was he was incredibly hopeful.

1039
01:21:47.239 --> 01:21:49.920
He was the wonder that the man
was happy. He was really hopeful.

1040
01:21:49.920 --> 01:21:55.039
He was very hopeful. Yeah,
and he you know, I tried to

1041
01:21:56.239 --> 01:21:59.960
tried to needle him and stuff,
and I'm always like that. I used

1042
01:21:59.960 --> 01:22:03.479
to try to make the Grays mad
to see what would happen. And it

1043
01:22:03.560 --> 01:22:06.479
isn't something you would want to do, because what they do get mad.

1044
01:22:06.560 --> 01:22:09.800
It turns out they say, you
don't have to try that will get mad

1045
01:22:09.880 --> 01:22:15.079
anyway. They're easily pissed off.
But you know, I, you know,

1046
01:22:15.119 --> 01:22:17.359
we're getting close to the end of
this, and I just like to

1047
01:22:17.359 --> 01:22:23.399
bring something up myself because I think
it's terribly, terribly important. He said

1048
01:22:24.239 --> 01:22:30.600
one thing that I think has I
have carried with me literally every moment of

1049
01:22:30.640 --> 01:22:35.000
my life since I heard it.
I asked him what sin was, and

1050
01:22:35.680 --> 01:22:43.079
he said, denial of the right
to thrive. I think that is the

1051
01:22:43.359 --> 01:22:48.960
finest, most illuminating, most helpful
definition of what it is to be to

1052
01:22:49.039 --> 01:22:54.439
do wrong that I have ever heard. And if you think about that in

1053
01:22:54.520 --> 01:22:59.800
terms of yourself and those around you, you can have a just a sise

1054
01:23:00.399 --> 01:23:08.279
change in your whole ethical outlook,
and you begin to understand the place that

1055
01:23:08.319 --> 01:23:15.880
you actually occupy in the world,
because the contrapositive of that is goodness,

1056
01:23:16.399 --> 01:23:21.119
is encouragement of the right to thrive. And you begin to think, how

1057
01:23:21.159 --> 01:23:26.520
can I help him? How can
I help her? Not only how can

1058
01:23:26.560 --> 01:23:30.039
I not how can I avoid denying
them the right to thrive? But how

1059
01:23:30.039 --> 01:23:38.800
can I proactively find in my relationship
with X a point that will enable them

1060
01:23:38.840 --> 01:23:41.960
to thrive? And this is the
kind of compassion that the Master of the

1061
01:23:42.039 --> 01:23:47.319
key was talking about. Extraordinary energy
there, Yeah, extraordinary well, and

1062
01:23:47.359 --> 01:23:54.720
it kind of gives me perspective then
on, you know how disappointed he was

1063
01:23:54.800 --> 01:24:00.079
with the United States, because unfortunately, our foreign policy is typically trying to

1064
01:24:00.119 --> 01:24:06.119
hamper other countries' abilities to thrive as
opposed to the opposite. Well, it

1065
01:24:06.199 --> 01:24:15.920
is, it's very oriented toward maintaining
the United States in terms of its wealth

1066
01:24:15.920 --> 01:24:18.840
and its power. It's just like
the policies of the Roman Empire were,

1067
01:24:18.880 --> 01:24:24.119
or the British Empire were during the
Colonial era. It's actually more like Rome

1068
01:24:24.159 --> 01:24:28.319
than Britain, because Britain, toward
the end of the Colonial era became much

1069
01:24:28.359 --> 01:24:31.680
more interested in the welfare of its
colonies than it had been in the early

1070
01:24:31.720 --> 01:24:36.640
part of it. But the Roman
Empire was just a frank system of looting

1071
01:24:38.239 --> 01:24:44.520
where they went out there and they
just looted the world. Now in you

1072
01:24:44.520 --> 01:24:46.800
know, when I'm wearing a pair
of sneakers right now, I'm sure you

1073
01:24:46.800 --> 01:24:53.279
probably are too. Those were probably
made by essentially by slave labor and Bangladesh

1074
01:24:53.399 --> 01:24:57.359
or somewhere by people who are making
fifteen or twenty cents a day if that,

1075
01:24:58.000 --> 01:25:00.880
and who have to work six or
seven days a week, ten fifteen

1076
01:25:00.920 --> 01:25:05.039
hours a day. And would I
wish that on my worst enemy. I

1077
01:25:05.199 --> 01:25:11.359
wear the shoes, so you know, you wear the shoes, you gotta

1078
01:25:11.399 --> 01:25:15.239
walk in them. And we may
not like it, but in fact our

1079
01:25:15.319 --> 01:25:23.880
country is the most expert exploiter that
has ever existed on earth. And it

1080
01:25:23.960 --> 01:25:30.600
is very, very unwilling and very
pinched when it comes to like foreign aid.

1081
01:25:30.239 --> 01:25:33.560
Most people in this country hate foreign
eight, even though it's two percent

1082
01:25:33.600 --> 01:25:40.319
of our budget or something. They
just hate it. They hate the idea

1083
01:25:40.399 --> 01:25:46.279
of like they're willing to let medicaid
just go because who cares about the poor?

1084
01:25:46.800 --> 01:25:50.520
I mean not everybody, but a
lot of people. A lot of

1085
01:25:50.560 --> 01:25:58.199
people in this country are very greedy
and very narrow minded. You have to

1086
01:25:58.239 --> 01:26:02.159
be open to the needs of others, otherwise you cannot even see your own.

1087
01:26:02.800 --> 01:26:05.399
Yeah, it's a great perspective.
I mean, just for all of

1088
01:26:05.439 --> 01:26:12.760
our conveniences, we've built this machine
of exploitation where right, like we live

1089
01:26:12.840 --> 01:26:18.279
off of the labor of others.
And it is that it's looking at it

1090
01:26:18.319 --> 01:26:23.199
from that perspective, which is an
important one that he gives that. You

1091
01:26:23.239 --> 01:26:27.159
know, we've got a lot to
work on, that's for sure. Yeah,

1092
01:26:27.199 --> 01:26:30.960
we do. It's a great He
gives us a very, very great,

1093
01:26:30.039 --> 01:26:34.760
significant moral challenge. That's a moral
challenge that you know, he really

1094
01:26:34.800 --> 01:26:39.079
lays down the gauntlet. But at
the same time, he lays it down

1095
01:26:39.119 --> 01:26:45.319
in the context of the fact that
great energy can come from living a compassion

1096
01:26:45.960 --> 01:26:49.680
and thoughtful life, much more than
we realize and That gets back to what's

1097
01:26:49.760 --> 01:26:56.520
going to happen if these catastrophes become
general, as they very well may.

1098
01:26:57.359 --> 01:27:04.039
Our only chance, of sir,
is to become much more helpful and cooperative

1099
01:27:04.199 --> 01:27:09.319
and open to others. And hope
they do the same, because if we

1100
01:27:09.359 --> 01:27:14.920
get into real trouble like this of
environmental trouble, the only thing that's going

1101
01:27:15.000 --> 01:27:19.000
to save the little fish and teach
him to walk and breathe dry air is

1102
01:27:19.199 --> 01:27:27.479
if he figures out how to help
himself. Well, thank you so much

1103
01:27:27.520 --> 01:27:30.199
for being on the show. Yep, we are out of time, and

1104
01:27:30.239 --> 01:27:32.680
I hope people I get the book. I'm sure they will, you know.

1105
01:27:32.720 --> 01:27:38.399
And it's not like it's a difficult
read. It's an easy read,

1106
01:27:38.520 --> 01:27:42.039
and it's very enlightening. I mean
the bank for the bunk. It's very

1107
01:27:42.039 --> 01:27:46.960
efficient, Thank you. It's it's
the most extraordinary and the energetic thing I

1108
01:27:47.039 --> 01:27:53.239
personally have ever read. And I
cannot recommend it enough. If I did

1109
01:27:53.359 --> 01:27:56.800
one thing in my life that was
really worth doing, it was transcribing that

1110
01:27:56.840 --> 01:28:00.319
guy's words, and I'm so glad
I managed to do it. Well.

1111
01:28:00.399 --> 01:28:02.399
I'm glad you add so much of
yourself in here, because I don't think

1112
01:28:02.439 --> 01:28:08.760
I've read anything I've read the other
of your work that is so even communion,

1113
01:28:08.800 --> 01:28:14.960
but this is so personal. It's
a great insight into you as a

1114
01:28:15.000 --> 01:28:18.079
person, and so it's very revealing
and very bold. It is a brave

1115
01:28:18.159 --> 01:28:26.640
thing to write. Well, thank
you all right. So it's a great

1116
01:28:26.680 --> 01:28:30.800
talking to Whitley as usual and very
interesting interview and interesting book. In order

1117
01:28:30.840 --> 01:28:34.880
to get the book, you will
want to go to either his site which

1118
01:28:34.920 --> 01:28:39.479
is unknown country dot com and he's
got a link for it there, and

1119
01:28:39.479 --> 01:28:44.760
then the book site is m O
t kbook dot com, motkeybook dot com,

1120
01:28:45.239 --> 01:28:48.159
m O t kbook dot com or
just go to unknown country dot com

1121
01:28:48.199 --> 01:28:51.760
and you will find it there.
Well, thank you for listening to the

1122
01:28:51.800 --> 01:28:57.439
show this week. It was a
lot of fun and very interesting. Next

1123
01:28:57.479 --> 01:29:00.720
week is a lot of fun and
very interesting. We're going to have Nancy

1124
01:29:00.840 --> 01:29:05.760
Talbot and Robert vandenbroke back and of
course, you know, very interesting stuff.

1125
01:29:05.840 --> 01:29:11.840
I trust Nancy implicitly. She's the
number one science crop circle researcher.

1126
01:29:11.920 --> 01:29:15.279
She does great work. And there
are some crop circles out in Holland and

1127
01:29:15.319 --> 01:29:21.079
some other weirdness happening, including the
first scientific proof of burned circles, so

1128
01:29:21.119 --> 01:29:25.119
she's going to share that with us. This is an exclusive. We're lucky

1129
01:29:25.159 --> 01:29:29.840
to be able to get her and
Robert on Robert of course connecting all the

1130
01:29:29.880 --> 01:29:33.039
way from Holland. So thanks for
listening. We are out of time.

1131
01:29:33.479 --> 01:29:39.560
Don't forget to check Openminds dot tv
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1132
01:29:39.600 --> 01:30:19.439
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