WEBVTT 1 00:00:35.920 --> 00:00:40.000 Well, happy Friday, everybody back here another live episode. But I think 2 00:00:40.000 --> 00:00:44.240 that's okay here, good catch up, you know, in an ideal world 3 00:00:44.320 --> 00:00:48.320 where maybe we're sending out game ball press releases, not at five point thirty 4 00:00:48.359 --> 00:00:51.200 in the morning, happy to go live and kind of do all that stuff 5 00:00:51.200 --> 00:00:54.439 as it happens. We are timing this week. We had the rules come 6 00:00:54.479 --> 00:00:57.759 out on CFL Free Agency Day and everything else, so we are here now 7 00:00:57.799 --> 00:01:02.000 you're catch all all the UFL rules, the game ball merchandise, all the 8 00:01:02.039 --> 00:01:06.319 transactions, AJ McCarron, everything else. We have John Lewis here looking snazzy. 9 00:01:06.439 --> 00:01:10.319 I like his mice's studio. It's a shame. And then we have 10 00:01:10.359 --> 00:01:12.920 producer Max here kind of keeping us on track today. I'm Max a part 11 00:01:12.959 --> 00:01:17.400 of the work for us now clocking in and clocking out here. So Max 12 00:01:17.480 --> 00:01:21.079 is here catching up on everything today and then I'll be out of town next 13 00:01:21.120 --> 00:01:23.359 week, so knowing that uniforms and all this cool stuff will be coming out, 14 00:01:23.400 --> 00:01:27.719 but in the meantime we'll do this. John came on back before kind 15 00:01:27.719 --> 00:01:30.480 of ending the season. I think looking forward, I like to do a 16 00:01:30.480 --> 00:01:34.239 welfare check before we get into everything. How are you feeling here, it's 17 00:01:34.280 --> 00:01:37.680 like forty two It wasn't a cool number to you today, like forty days 18 00:01:37.680 --> 00:01:41.280 to countdown? But how are you feeling here heading in? Well, I'm 19 00:01:41.280 --> 00:01:45.200 feeling optimistic about this. I laugh because I think one of the times we 20 00:01:45.359 --> 00:01:49.079 talked about, you know, if the merger talk, it's like, why 21 00:01:49.120 --> 00:01:53.719 would they bother with UFL? Like what kind of cachet does the UFL have? 22 00:01:53.840 --> 00:01:56.640 I mean, we all remember the old one, but I'm looking forward 23 00:01:56.680 --> 00:02:00.799 to it. It seems like as you guys know, you know, it's 24 00:02:00.879 --> 00:02:05.640 like there's this a trickle of information and then that turns into like someone open 25 00:02:05.680 --> 00:02:08.400 a fire hydrant. So it's been it'll be interesting to see like what happens 26 00:02:08.439 --> 00:02:12.680 within the next would you say forty two days or so? But no, 27 00:02:12.840 --> 00:02:15.719 I'm I'm cautiously optimistic. I mean, I'm old. I remember the original 28 00:02:15.800 --> 00:02:21.400 uf USFL. So if we can just you know, we've got two or 29 00:02:21.439 --> 00:02:23.680 three seasons here so far, so I'm trying. I'm trying. I'm staying 30 00:02:23.719 --> 00:02:27.840 positive on this. Yeah, I think, and I want to get Max 31 00:02:27.879 --> 00:02:30.280 and Sids on this. I think in the perfect world, like there was 32 00:02:30.319 --> 00:02:34.039 a ton of news this week, I wasn't really I was very whelmed by 33 00:02:34.120 --> 00:02:37.199 kind of how everything came out. And I know we're kind of well, 34 00:02:37.280 --> 00:02:39.080 it's you know, post super Bowl and we don't have a lot and Okay, 35 00:02:39.080 --> 00:02:43.439 who really cares about Like I just I felt like anything this week excitement 36 00:02:43.520 --> 00:02:46.560 level wise, it was kind of like the bar min. Okay, we're 37 00:02:46.599 --> 00:02:49.039 getting everything out. We'll get everything out. Max, How did how did 38 00:02:49.039 --> 00:02:52.479 it suit you? Because we got you know, this was the most information 39 00:02:52.520 --> 00:02:54.479 we've gotten this week. I would say since kind of the initial merger talks. 40 00:02:57.840 --> 00:03:00.719 It just it's like, oh, yeah, we have this thing, 41 00:03:00.759 --> 00:03:02.840 we have that thing that we that we were finally having, But at the 42 00:03:02.879 --> 00:03:07.319 same time, it still doesn't feel put together, like for example, the 43 00:03:07.360 --> 00:03:15.919 shop uh disaster. Uh, we'll get into that later, the the under 44 00:03:15.000 --> 00:03:20.599 Armor situation. Not a fan of that not being resolved either. You have 45 00:03:21.080 --> 00:03:29.639 like Murky player transaction situations, and also you have the natural like skepticism of 46 00:03:30.080 --> 00:03:32.599 yeah, all these things are confirmed now, but is it really going to 47 00:03:32.599 --> 00:03:36.919 be as good as it was? Whenever you're taking away all these things that 48 00:03:37.080 --> 00:03:39.039 made the league as the leagues as good as they were, taking away roster 49 00:03:39.159 --> 00:03:46.080 spots, taking away players, taking away teams, it's gonna be interesting to 50 00:03:46.080 --> 00:03:50.240 see how it all melts together. Yeah, and this is just for the 51 00:03:50.280 --> 00:03:53.000 record, this is why we have Max and John today because John's a little 52 00:03:53.000 --> 00:03:57.000 optimistic, is a little assess. I think together we'll get to all that. 53 00:03:57.120 --> 00:03:59.879 Yeah, I it feels like we're getting there. Like I said that, 54 00:04:00.120 --> 00:04:03.560 I still I want one of these and whether it was the schedule last 55 00:04:03.560 --> 00:04:05.919 week or the rules, like I just want one of these to really kind 56 00:04:05.960 --> 00:04:11.520 of hit and just I don't know, I want anything to spark, maybe 57 00:04:11.560 --> 00:04:14.840 even the way the USFL stepped to kind of do its initial lunch. But 58 00:04:15.400 --> 00:04:20.839 speaking, big News today warranted its own press release the AJ McCarron signing, 59 00:04:20.959 --> 00:04:25.480 And this was weird. I know, John, I know you're off of 60 00:04:25.720 --> 00:04:29.800 Twitter a little more on threads. There seemed to be like this big who's 61 00:04:29.920 --> 00:04:33.120 gonna break the scoop of the A J. McCarran signing, Like even though 62 00:04:34.240 --> 00:04:38.319 you know he was released from the Bengals and we kind of knew all this 63 00:04:38.399 --> 00:04:41.720 stuff, and we had the Howard getting involved and Marty was talking, okay, 64 00:04:41.720 --> 00:04:45.879 he's actually finally kind of signed out. John, on your level, 65 00:04:46.160 --> 00:04:48.519 is this warranting the press release everything this morning? A J. McCahon returning 66 00:04:48.560 --> 00:04:51.279 to the league. What do you think because we have the Matt carral stuff 67 00:04:51.279 --> 00:04:54.800 as well. This week we're gonna talk about right. No, yeah, 68 00:04:54.800 --> 00:04:58.120 I get it sounds like I'm missing a lot over there on Twitter. No, 69 00:04:58.480 --> 00:05:02.000 I think it did because you know, McCarran was he was one of 70 00:05:02.040 --> 00:05:08.720 the stars of the league. I don't know if he resonated outside of you 71 00:05:08.759 --> 00:05:12.360 know, our niche of spring football, but I mean he got some attention, 72 00:05:12.639 --> 00:05:15.759 and he was the XFL record holder. I guess there are a lot 73 00:05:15.800 --> 00:05:17.839 of people that did that since there was only really one season of the XFL 74 00:05:17.920 --> 00:05:20.839 and you know, twenty twenty three. But you know, I think it 75 00:05:21.160 --> 00:05:26.879 warranted that because you make a good point there read about we needed some news 76 00:05:27.040 --> 00:05:31.279 to hit you know the shop, as Max said, what's underwhelming and you 77 00:05:31.319 --> 00:05:35.480 know the schedule that was fine and that that got a little momentum. But 78 00:05:35.560 --> 00:05:41.600 I think it got It's not getting the outside momentum because this league has to 79 00:05:41.600 --> 00:05:45.800 get casual fans. But I think for us, you know, you know, 80 00:05:45.959 --> 00:05:48.600 us basement dwellers who liked spring football. I mean, this this warranted 81 00:05:48.639 --> 00:05:51.519 a press release. I think that that's mainly who's going I think going to 82 00:05:51.560 --> 00:05:56.680 the UFL site right now, I don't know that the casual football fan who's 83 00:05:56.720 --> 00:06:00.920 just wondering, you know, what's next in pro football? Is the UFL 84 00:06:00.000 --> 00:06:03.319 side that much? Yeah, Max, in terms of and I think there 85 00:06:03.360 --> 00:06:08.639 was a different, uh narrative where I think people are excited. The AJ 86 00:06:08.759 --> 00:06:11.360 mccarriy, the Matt Crow thing was a little more like, Okay, he 87 00:06:12.040 --> 00:06:15.079 maybe it was washed out or didn't work out, and he's trying to revive, 88 00:06:15.160 --> 00:06:17.079 Like what do you make of the agent and kind of that that differing 89 00:06:17.120 --> 00:06:21.399 where it seems like there's two different narratives on these two different players. On 90 00:06:21.680 --> 00:06:27.360 Corral, it just kind of feels like it's another guy who was a talented 91 00:06:27.439 --> 00:06:30.959 player in college who didn't work out in the NFL, who was a decent 92 00:06:30.040 --> 00:06:33.480 draft pick who didn't work out, was trying to sprintand the Spring league just 93 00:06:33.920 --> 00:06:39.319 add another name to the long list. Right, he could work out, 94 00:06:39.319 --> 00:06:43.800 he could not. We'll find out mccaren I mean, obviously he was a 95 00:06:43.839 --> 00:06:47.800 statistical leader. He was winning MVP awards or the equivalent of Offensive Player of 96 00:06:47.800 --> 00:06:50.920 the Year because the XFL did not want to have an MVP award because of 97 00:06:50.959 --> 00:06:58.680 reasons uh and so. And also on top of that, it's it's a 98 00:06:58.680 --> 00:07:05.399 BattleHawks player and arguably the most prominent BattleHawks player. So I think anything that 99 00:07:05.560 --> 00:07:11.560 happens on the battle Hawks that's that is important to that team. You could 100 00:07:11.639 --> 00:07:15.519 argue warrant a press release just because of the attention that team gets. And 101 00:07:15.639 --> 00:07:20.720 so I think the reaction to mccaren is fair. And I get to like 102 00:07:20.800 --> 00:07:29.319 the muted somewhat or less like positive reaction to Matt Carral because he's more of 103 00:07:29.319 --> 00:07:33.399 an unknown at this level. John, Are we like I'm a little over 104 00:07:34.120 --> 00:07:38.800 the battle Hawks hype right now? I'm just a little like it feels a 105 00:07:38.839 --> 00:07:42.199 little like because the Stallions, I think obviously did a great job with the 106 00:07:42.279 --> 00:07:44.879 USFL and building that fan base and you know, we've been out there and 107 00:07:44.920 --> 00:07:46.879 you know we have tons of you know, hardcore like Greg Gray's of the 108 00:07:46.879 --> 00:07:49.759 world that you listen to the shows every week. But like with the battle 109 00:07:49.800 --> 00:07:53.199 Hawks, it's that way with the XFL, where I'm like, I'm a 110 00:07:53.240 --> 00:07:56.600 little over this now. You know, it's not even like you won anything. 111 00:07:56.720 --> 00:07:59.040 I mean, spoiler alert, you didn't even make the playoffs, Like, 112 00:07:59.720 --> 00:08:01.959 are we over that? Are you kind of still numb to the whole 113 00:08:01.959 --> 00:08:03.959 battle Hawks. I mean, you know, I'm alright with the battle Hawks. 114 00:08:03.959 --> 00:08:07.480 They're fine, and you know it's not like I'm a fan or anything, 115 00:08:07.560 --> 00:08:11.920 but no, I mean I get it. They You know, if 116 00:08:11.920 --> 00:08:15.040 you're if you are the UFL, you've got to, like, you've got 117 00:08:15.079 --> 00:08:20.879 to feed into the BattleHawks because they were the premier team even though they didn't 118 00:08:20.879 --> 00:08:22.720 make the playoffs. You're right, you didn't win anything, but you know, 119 00:08:22.959 --> 00:08:28.399 the fan support there and now to the point where most likely that's where 120 00:08:28.439 --> 00:08:30.839 the championship is going to be. I mean, Max is guys, has 121 00:08:30.839 --> 00:08:33.440 that even been official yet? Or is that another one? Someone's going to 122 00:08:33.519 --> 00:08:35.799 try to break that one here pretty soon? Well RJ put it out right, 123 00:08:35.840 --> 00:08:37.960 Max, and then took it back, So I think it's official, 124 00:08:37.960 --> 00:08:41.519 and it's not officially now. It's Max that if I read that correctly, 125 00:08:41.519 --> 00:08:46.120 I mean, that would be the logical assumption. I would not say it 126 00:08:46.200 --> 00:08:50.600 is any more official than r J. Young put it in an article, 127 00:08:50.720 --> 00:08:54.879 and that everybody else wants it to be true because people have been reporting that 128 00:08:54.919 --> 00:09:00.559 it's going to be in Saint Louis since what last summer. Like everyone is 129 00:09:00.600 --> 00:09:03.679 good, Everyone just wants to speak this new distance and like we'll find out 130 00:09:03.720 --> 00:09:05.440 whenever. You know, we got we got plenty of time to word about 131 00:09:05.480 --> 00:09:09.240 that. Yeah, But I mean, but you know, with the Saint 132 00:09:09.279 --> 00:09:11.799 Louis the brand, I think it was a spring good spring football brand, 133 00:09:13.480 --> 00:09:16.000 much like you know when you mentioned Birmingham too, And what are they gonna 134 00:09:16.039 --> 00:09:18.639 do with all those quarterbacks down there? That's what I'm still trying to figure 135 00:09:18.639 --> 00:09:22.000 out. But no, I mean, I get the Saint Louis hype, 136 00:09:22.240 --> 00:09:24.720 you know, strike strike that while the iron is hot, because if they 137 00:09:24.759 --> 00:09:28.559 come out and kind of flock, then you gotta wonder, like, where's 138 00:09:28.600 --> 00:09:31.320 everyone going to go with this? Yeah, it's a lot you know, 139 00:09:31.399 --> 00:09:33.240 it's a lot of pressure. Run back to you know, coach Back, 140 00:09:33.320 --> 00:09:35.960 and I remember he you know, uh, well we have it where they 141 00:09:35.960 --> 00:09:39.360 were changing the playoff rules and then they didn't really right and that's why we 142 00:09:39.399 --> 00:09:43.200 didn't report that. And then I even remember when we had the schedule out 143 00:09:43.240 --> 00:09:46.440 and we had the press release in front of us, and people like well 144 00:09:46.480 --> 00:09:50.639 Coach Beck said they were changing it's this is the official release right now, 145 00:09:50.639 --> 00:09:52.840 but a lot of pressure on that we had seen. I think it was 146 00:09:52.879 --> 00:09:58.759 Wednesday before this came out Brandon Silver's also joining the battle Hawks. Max, 147 00:09:58.799 --> 00:10:01.519 What do you make because oh, is that is that the big signing, 148 00:10:01.559 --> 00:10:05.120 like this is the smoke of Berrs with ag But to have the Brandon Silver's 149 00:10:05.159 --> 00:10:07.080 on there as well, does that even does he even make the roster at 150 00:10:07.080 --> 00:10:09.879 this point in Matt love Brandon. So I have his signs, I've read 151 00:10:09.960 --> 00:10:13.480 done my office, but I had a sign shirt behind me for many years. 152 00:10:13.759 --> 00:10:16.960 I mean, Manny Wilkins hasn't played significant numbers of snaps and quarterback at 153 00:10:18.080 --> 00:10:22.320 the quarterback position since what his preseason time with the Packers, So I'd say 154 00:10:22.360 --> 00:10:30.000 by default Silver's is the backup unless there's like a massive upset on the part 155 00:10:30.039 --> 00:10:33.600 of Manny Wilkins. So yeah, I don't think Brandon Silver is getting cut. 156 00:10:33.720 --> 00:10:39.519 I think he's the certified backup and the veteran option behind mccarrn. H. 157 00:10:39.600 --> 00:10:41.480 Well, we'll and we'll do. You know, we're kind of getting 158 00:10:41.480 --> 00:10:43.399 in, like I said, head and end the break, we'll do kind 159 00:10:43.399 --> 00:10:46.840 of full at training current previous. I know Pat is going to do quarterback 160 00:10:46.879 --> 00:10:50.679 rankings and stuff on his channel, analyze and educate over the weekend. Pat 161 00:10:50.679 --> 00:10:52.159 would have been on it just him crazy with work as well. But I 162 00:10:52.200 --> 00:10:54.360 think we'll get past off, we'll kind of do deep dies of all the 163 00:10:54.399 --> 00:10:58.080 teams. We'll figure all this stuff out. But uh yeah, and then 164 00:10:58.120 --> 00:11:01.440 the where's corral? I is that Birmingham? Is that where he's going? 165 00:11:01.320 --> 00:11:03.679 Right? Yeah? And I'm you know, I mean, how many quarterbacks 166 00:11:03.720 --> 00:11:05.960 can skip Holts have down there? I know you want, you know, 167 00:11:07.039 --> 00:11:09.600 some camp arms. But it seemed interesting to me, Like on paper, 168 00:11:11.000 --> 00:11:13.360 I thought jbar Smith going in was gonna be the guy. And then you 169 00:11:13.360 --> 00:11:16.519 know our guy, uh r, j He's got other ideas. And then 170 00:11:16.519 --> 00:11:20.279 they add Matt Carrall to the whole thing. So yeah, I don't know, 171 00:11:20.320 --> 00:11:22.279 but that, yeah, he's ended up there. It seems like the 172 00:11:22.919 --> 00:11:24.759 a few people have said had said the phrase, yeah, the rich get 173 00:11:24.840 --> 00:11:28.679 richer down at Birmingham. Yeah, but I think I don't know. To 174 00:11:28.759 --> 00:11:31.720 me, that's a fine signing with him. I mean, I remember him 175 00:11:31.759 --> 00:11:33.679 getting drafted and that was kind of one of the weaker classes here the last 176 00:11:33.679 --> 00:11:37.639 couple of years. Like, I think that's fine. He's close enough to 177 00:11:37.759 --> 00:11:41.399 having been on anything versus like we gotta get Johnny Benzel back or whatever. 178 00:11:41.480 --> 00:11:43.840 Like I think I think he's kind of had been in whatever, Max, 179 00:11:45.039 --> 00:11:46.000 because I know this will get the rust have you. We're seeing a lot 180 00:11:46.039 --> 00:11:50.080 of comments at Canton for the championship game, not Saint Louis, like besides 181 00:11:50.159 --> 00:11:52.720 Space. I mean, I think you'd wanted in the Dome regardless of it, 182 00:11:52.840 --> 00:11:56.960 but that's Canton just because the USFL had a cup of coffee there. 183 00:11:56.000 --> 00:12:01.080 I don't know if that would be my game plan. USFL fans want everything 184 00:12:01.159 --> 00:12:05.480 done their way and it just does not reflect actually growing interest in the league. 185 00:12:05.679 --> 00:12:09.840 Putting the game in canon would not grow interest in the league whatsoever. 186 00:12:09.879 --> 00:12:13.080 It would not attract fans, and on top of that, the ticket prices 187 00:12:13.080 --> 00:12:16.960 would be bargain bin basement prices, just like they've been in the past two 188 00:12:16.039 --> 00:12:20.480 years. There's no logical reason to put it in canon other than to appease 189 00:12:20.600 --> 00:12:24.960 USFL executives. The same way there was no logical reason to have the kickoff 190 00:12:24.039 --> 00:12:26.879 be the way it is, but they did it anyway, the same reason 191 00:12:26.960 --> 00:12:31.360 why they have four USFL teams and four XFL teams, even though one of 192 00:12:31.399 --> 00:12:35.559 them is actually an XFL brand, because they just had to appease the USFL 193 00:12:35.759 --> 00:12:41.759 executives and the coaches and the XFL side everything's half and half, you know. 194 00:12:41.399 --> 00:12:46.960 So no, I don't think Ken is a good idea, and I 195 00:12:46.960 --> 00:12:50.120 don't think it has to be Saint Louis. But I absolutely don't think it 196 00:12:50.159 --> 00:12:54.720 can be in a place where a team is not located, and it definitely 197 00:12:54.759 --> 00:12:58.159 needs to be one of the more popular teams, Like I would really don't 198 00:12:58.240 --> 00:13:03.399 want to see a title game somewhere where the brand isn't strong, Like I 199 00:13:03.399 --> 00:13:07.000 don't want a Houston title game. I definitely don't want a Rice Stadium Houston 200 00:13:07.000 --> 00:13:11.799 Townian to be horror. Right. It's it's hard because we're bordering on and 201 00:13:11.840 --> 00:13:15.519 I know Birmingham had a lot of this, you know a season one going 202 00:13:15.559 --> 00:13:18.080 into two of like okay, well they're the home team and they had you 203 00:13:18.120 --> 00:13:22.600 know it was there more preferential treatment towards them, or then they have an 204 00:13:22.720 --> 00:13:24.720 you know, is there an ascarsk there? And I know we're bordering that 205 00:13:24.759 --> 00:13:28.440 way with the battle Hawks and just in terms of like okay, then we're 206 00:13:28.480 --> 00:13:31.159 doing the press release Regie mccaarroon and we got back going that we're doing all 207 00:13:31.200 --> 00:13:35.240 this stuff. Like I liked almodome. I thought that was great and obviously 208 00:13:35.240 --> 00:13:37.159 I was at the Championship game. I don't think my wedding schedule will allow 209 00:13:37.240 --> 00:13:39.879 us to be at the championship game this year. We'll probably do a show. 210 00:13:39.919 --> 00:13:43.399 I just don't think I can get out Sunday morning to do it. 211 00:13:43.799 --> 00:13:46.360 But I thought that was fine. Kind of a central location. I mean, 212 00:13:46.440 --> 00:13:48.960 this time around, you know where most of the teams being central and 213 00:13:50.039 --> 00:13:52.840 East Coast, obviously, I think Saint Louis makes a little more sense. 214 00:13:52.840 --> 00:13:54.799 But I liked it, especially when you had Seattle in Vegas fans last time. 215 00:13:54.840 --> 00:13:58.000 I thought the Alamo Dome worked well. We have a little bit of 216 00:13:58.039 --> 00:14:01.480 a breaking news. I guess here what'll bring to him, Mike Mitchell? 217 00:14:01.519 --> 00:14:03.639 This how the article out? Any other thoughts? John on the the and 218 00:14:03.679 --> 00:14:05.960 we can always circle back later. But I'm the Mcarey and anything else, 219 00:14:07.799 --> 00:14:09.639 uh No, I mean, yeah, I think Saint Louis is gonna get 220 00:14:09.639 --> 00:14:13.919 some preferential treatment. And I think that some of the other teams outside of 221 00:14:13.919 --> 00:14:16.200 Birmingham are going to try to are gonna have to maybe you know, earn 222 00:14:16.279 --> 00:14:20.480 some some clout with all this. But you're right, I mean, I 223 00:14:20.480 --> 00:14:24.159 can understand why they wouldn't want to put it in Saint Louis, and I'd 224 00:14:24.240 --> 00:14:28.960 ask Brian Kennedy, who is a sports reporter at KMOV. I had him 225 00:14:28.000 --> 00:14:31.600 on my channel and ask him, do you think that if the Saint Louis 226 00:14:31.639 --> 00:14:37.159 BattleHawks aren't in the championship and the championships in Saint Louis, Like, are 227 00:14:37.200 --> 00:14:39.759 you really gonna you know, they're not gonna you know, the guess is 228 00:14:39.759 --> 00:14:43.000 they're probably not gonna sell the four hundred level like they're doing for these first 229 00:14:43.000 --> 00:14:48.399 few games. My favorite was last not this last Great Cup, but two 230 00:14:48.440 --> 00:14:52.039 Gray Cups to go. It was in Regina and the Rough Riders were not 231 00:14:52.240 --> 00:14:54.799 in the championship game, but their rival, the Winnipeg Blue Bombers were, 232 00:14:54.799 --> 00:14:58.200 and a lot of the Saskatchewan fans that had bought tickets hoping that their team 233 00:14:58.240 --> 00:15:03.279 would be in the Great As opposed to selling the tickets to Winnipeg fans just 234 00:15:03.360 --> 00:15:05.919 out at home and it was like a half empty stadium, which I've got 235 00:15:05.960 --> 00:15:07.320 with, you know, the great irony of like the CFL, like we're 236 00:15:07.320 --> 00:15:09.600 gonna shoot you know, we're shooting ourselves in the foot here, like we're 237 00:15:09.639 --> 00:15:13.960 so whatever, Max anything else. I got that article from Mike I'm going 238 00:15:13.000 --> 00:15:16.320 to pull up. We have some training camp details, which is exciting. 239 00:15:16.759 --> 00:15:20.000 Yeah, I'll make this one quick. So the other thing I really don't 240 00:15:20.000 --> 00:15:22.639 want what the title game is. I don't want it in a stadium that's 241 00:15:22.679 --> 00:15:26.159 going to be getting renovated soon, because you could get a much better experience 242 00:15:26.840 --> 00:15:31.159 from that same stadium if you just wait a few years. For example, 243 00:15:31.200 --> 00:15:33.840 the Liberty Bowl is getting renovated right now. Well not right now, they 244 00:15:35.039 --> 00:15:39.879 just finished raising a significant amount of money to start renovating it soon. So 245 00:15:41.120 --> 00:15:43.360 I would wait till like twenty twenty six or twenty twenty seven to put something 246 00:15:43.399 --> 00:15:48.799 in the Liberty Bowl for example. Also, i'd rather they didn't stick it 247 00:15:48.840 --> 00:15:52.320 in a large, open air stadium, and if they didn't put it in 248 00:15:52.440 --> 00:15:56.720 Saint Louis, I really think DC's intractive option, especially when you consider the 249 00:15:56.720 --> 00:16:02.960 attendance from the twenty twenty three X of L title game. If it was 250 00:16:03.000 --> 00:16:06.480 like twenty two thousand, I think I think that was the number. So 251 00:16:07.360 --> 00:16:11.200 I mean the DC stadium capacity is like nineteen thousand. You can take a 252 00:16:11.200 --> 00:16:14.120 little less capacity, jack up a ticket prices, and you have a ton 253 00:16:14.159 --> 00:16:18.759 of premium hospitality options at that venues, and it would be such a great 254 00:16:18.799 --> 00:16:22.679 crowd experience at that facility, and I just think that's it's kind of in 255 00:16:22.720 --> 00:16:27.000 the way it's the gem of the league in terms of the most quality atmosphere 256 00:16:27.039 --> 00:16:32.039 you can get, ignoring the number of fans because even if you only have 257 00:16:32.159 --> 00:16:36.360 like a three quarter full stadium, it's still super loud. I like the 258 00:16:36.480 --> 00:16:40.799 DC hopefully they'll allow people in the beer snake section are DC Defenders fans, 259 00:16:40.799 --> 00:16:45.399 and we don't know how that worked out. We had that comments here updating 260 00:16:45.440 --> 00:16:48.440 the Saint Louis turf and everything. I will say in your I laugh when 261 00:16:48.480 --> 00:16:51.200 you talk about doing a Hey, let's wait till twenty twenty seven, twenty 262 00:16:51.240 --> 00:16:53.759 twenty eight. It's kind of like I have my merchandise comments yesterday. People 263 00:16:53.799 --> 00:16:56.840 like, just give them time. Yeah, because time. That's the thing 264 00:16:56.840 --> 00:17:00.879 that all spring football leagues is have wealth and a mount at this time. 265 00:17:00.519 --> 00:17:03.759 This is interesting here, Mike. This is just coming out from the UFL 266 00:17:04.079 --> 00:17:07.240 Sports Illustrated site here, which we're part of as well. This will be 267 00:17:07.279 --> 00:17:11.319 on here afterwards. Appreciate that I got on the CFL side as well this 268 00:17:11.400 --> 00:17:15.200 week with our ICFL free agency, but we have some training camp details. 269 00:17:15.200 --> 00:17:18.400 This just came out X nothing really breaking. Its interesting. So the teams 270 00:17:18.440 --> 00:17:23.200 will be practicing together down in Arlington training Camp beginning of February twenty fourth. 271 00:17:23.200 --> 00:17:27.079 We've known that, but mike' scott the breakdown here where the defenders and we'll 272 00:17:27.119 --> 00:17:32.240 be playing with practicing with the rough next year at Brahmas with the Panthers St. 273 00:17:32.440 --> 00:17:34.720 Louis Balahawks and the Memphis Showboats and then the Renegades and the Stallions. 274 00:17:36.240 --> 00:17:38.880 You know, kind of cross pollination here, whatever, Max, any thoughts 275 00:17:38.920 --> 00:17:44.799 on this? You think this is interesting? I mean, I haven't really 276 00:17:45.119 --> 00:17:51.279 cared as much about the alignments this year because the setup is so different and 277 00:17:51.400 --> 00:17:53.720 all the history that we had before with like the oh we're going to play 278 00:17:53.799 --> 00:18:00.119 a pair of the Texas teams together here or whatever that, and also so 279 00:18:00.240 --> 00:18:03.240 you don't have the same like personal history the same way you you did before 280 00:18:03.319 --> 00:18:07.839 some of these pairings. So like, I'm less interested in the pairings. 281 00:18:07.880 --> 00:18:11.119 I'm more interested in the facilities. But I'm sure there's they're pretty similar. 282 00:18:11.200 --> 00:18:15.160 If not, they might even be just the exact same ones they used last 283 00:18:15.240 --> 00:18:21.519 year for the XFLUH. I haven't adaw though. Yeah. Newsom South Lake, 284 00:18:21.559 --> 00:18:27.279 Carol and then the Old State the Renegade Stadium, and then there was 285 00:18:30.079 --> 00:18:34.279 it was the Northwest ID one or whatever. Yeah, so as long as 286 00:18:34.279 --> 00:18:38.400 it's all those ones, it's the same ones. But yeah, I mean 287 00:18:38.599 --> 00:18:42.720 it all looks good, you know, hopeful. I don't I don't remember 288 00:18:42.720 --> 00:18:45.680 all the exact details on the training camp Paigy, but I'm I think it 289 00:18:45.799 --> 00:18:49.880 was still better than what it was for the USFL before because it's the carryover 290 00:18:51.000 --> 00:18:56.200 rays on that contract, So it's it's the best compromise you could get out 291 00:18:56.240 --> 00:19:00.640 of a bad situation. John, in terms of I would just a little 292 00:19:00.680 --> 00:19:03.359 bit with Max in terms of like when we were doing the schedule Rundown last 293 00:19:03.400 --> 00:19:06.839 week with Andy, like, uh, maybe not for training camp, but 294 00:19:06.880 --> 00:19:10.240 some of these matchups on paper are exciting to me, right, Like obviously 295 00:19:10.279 --> 00:19:14.720 we have the Stallions versus Renegades, right, Stallions versus battle Hawks when that 296 00:19:14.759 --> 00:19:17.160 comes up, you know, kind of circling things on there, even if 297 00:19:17.200 --> 00:19:19.599 the teams are finally kind of slightly different. Uh. I like having the 298 00:19:19.640 --> 00:19:22.319 conferences. I kind of think that's kind of what we wanted it to be. 299 00:19:22.440 --> 00:19:25.799 And then people were like, no, they can't do it. What 300 00:19:25.839 --> 00:19:29.200 do you make of this kind of the cross pollination and building on at least, 301 00:19:29.359 --> 00:19:30.680 you know, not the history between the two leagues as much, but 302 00:19:30.759 --> 00:19:34.039 you know these you know, these marquee like the Defenders playing anyone in the 303 00:19:34.119 --> 00:19:37.759 USFL feels like a big deal to me. Oh, I know, I 304 00:19:37.839 --> 00:19:40.799 totally agree. And I'm glad too, because I think we had talked about 305 00:19:40.839 --> 00:19:42.920 this before too, about how it would be a shame for the XFL and 306 00:19:42.960 --> 00:19:48.400 the USFL brand to just go away. So I'm fine with the conferences and 307 00:19:48.440 --> 00:19:51.839 then you've got you know, and it also makes a division between fans, 308 00:19:51.839 --> 00:19:56.119 whether that's good or bad of the USFL lovers and XFL haters and vice versa. 309 00:19:57.039 --> 00:20:00.400 I do wonder how much we're going to get out of train in camp, 310 00:20:00.440 --> 00:20:03.519 though, I'm hoping that the UFL really kind of goes in on, 311 00:20:03.319 --> 00:20:07.839 you know, sending out content and you know, I kind of missed the 312 00:20:07.960 --> 00:20:11.200 United by Football Show, remember that the in I don't think they did it 313 00:20:11.279 --> 00:20:14.640 last year in the USFL, but they did it the first year and it 314 00:20:14.720 --> 00:20:17.960 kind of told a lot of the players stories and you really got some behind 315 00:20:17.960 --> 00:20:21.599 the scenes stuff. So I'm hoping that maybe the UFL will do some of 316 00:20:21.599 --> 00:20:22.720 that this year, and and I think that, you know, when you 317 00:20:22.759 --> 00:20:26.319 tell those stories and those kinds of shows, I think you can you can 318 00:20:26.440 --> 00:20:30.039 you can build some casual fans up like that. You know, shark Dog 319 00:20:30.119 --> 00:20:33.920 became he was a he was a he was a minor celebrity there for a 320 00:20:33.960 --> 00:20:37.200 while. Yeah. Well, I was trying to think of the other the 321 00:20:37.279 --> 00:20:40.000 other side, Matt, what do you what do you make of that? 322 00:20:40.960 --> 00:20:44.400 Well, I guess my question would be like, I feel like social has 323 00:20:44.440 --> 00:20:47.400 been getting a little bit better, at least kind of from what I'm tracking, 324 00:20:47.640 --> 00:20:49.319 you know, timing of posts and said. But I feel like we're 325 00:20:49.319 --> 00:20:52.480 doing doing better. How do you feel like overall marketing wise going into this, 326 00:20:52.480 --> 00:20:57.680 at least social media? Oh? Yes, me? Oh yeah, 327 00:20:57.720 --> 00:21:02.440 so uh. I'm a fan of the fact they got the town halls going 328 00:21:02.559 --> 00:21:06.079 for all the teams. I'm a fan of the fact that social media seems 329 00:21:06.119 --> 00:21:07.720 to be largely put together. And by the way, I should have said 330 00:21:07.720 --> 00:21:11.680 this earlier, I'm completely happy about excited for the games as much as anybody 331 00:21:11.680 --> 00:21:19.400 else. I mean, obviously, but the lack of the promotion didn't feel 332 00:21:19.519 --> 00:21:26.519 very strong. During the NFL playoffs, we got that nice pregame mentioned and 333 00:21:26.640 --> 00:21:30.799 we got the moment with Jimmy Johnson and Dwayne that was good. We had 334 00:21:30.799 --> 00:21:36.920 the game day moments. But then after that, like on a national broadcasting 335 00:21:36.960 --> 00:21:40.640 scale, it's been kind of muted compared to where you would want it to 336 00:21:40.640 --> 00:21:45.119 be, especially you know, spring football just got stronger or whatever, and 337 00:21:45.160 --> 00:21:49.680 then your advertising muscle does not really feel like it's any stronger than it was. 338 00:21:49.799 --> 00:21:52.680 In fact, it kind of feels like they're intentionally cutting back to you 339 00:21:52.680 --> 00:22:00.279 know, say some some dollar bills. But you know, I mean that 340 00:22:00.319 --> 00:22:03.799 at least the local marketing efforts that they had before carried over. I wish 341 00:22:03.920 --> 00:22:07.000 it was at the standard where it needs to be instead of just where it 342 00:22:07.119 --> 00:22:10.240 was. Yeah, I like the town hall seeing now, I know DC 343 00:22:10.559 --> 00:22:12.920 just had one right seeing them kind of running around the stadium, I will 344 00:22:12.920 --> 00:22:15.640 say, yeah, I mean tomorrow is this is kind of going out, 345 00:22:15.720 --> 00:22:21.920 would be right XFL you know, kickoff date whatever. Certainly different here where 346 00:22:21.920 --> 00:22:23.079 we have a month and a half. Yeah, I don't know where you 347 00:22:23.160 --> 00:22:26.759 kind of slot in the marketing here coming up. I will say, like 348 00:22:26.839 --> 00:22:30.880 the Rock is so involved right now in the wwe really kind of surprised just 349 00:22:30.920 --> 00:22:33.359 in the last three weeks here and it really just has kind of become a 350 00:22:33.400 --> 00:22:36.559 pivotal with john I don't know if you kind of follow any of that, 351 00:22:36.599 --> 00:22:40.799 but like he's like turning heel and they're like, he's fusing with Cody and 352 00:22:41.039 --> 00:22:44.359 I mean really as much as I've seen him devote to that. So I 353 00:22:44.400 --> 00:22:47.160 don't know, you know, whereas the Rocks head at with kind of any 354 00:22:47.160 --> 00:22:52.440 of this stuff. But you know, I just don't know where we slot 355 00:22:52.440 --> 00:22:55.759 here, because the XFL did a good job kind of slotting you pre Super 356 00:22:55.799 --> 00:22:57.400 Bowl going in or the USFL kind of I don't know where we air in 357 00:22:57.440 --> 00:23:00.359 this stuff. And let people know now that there's a month and a half 358 00:23:00.440 --> 00:23:03.680 to go, yeah, I mean, and yeah, I saw it. 359 00:23:03.799 --> 00:23:07.240 And there are a lot of people that are starting to turn against the Rock 360 00:23:07.319 --> 00:23:11.559 now. I saw some some social media chatter against that, like yeah, 361 00:23:11.599 --> 00:23:14.000 and you know, and the Rocke hit. He you know, Dray Johnson 362 00:23:14.000 --> 00:23:17.359 has said that he is as hands on with this league as he was with 363 00:23:17.440 --> 00:23:21.200 the XFL, which is kind of surprising. But I do wonder if they're 364 00:23:21.880 --> 00:23:23.640 you know, there's a little bit of a law right now, and I 365 00:23:23.720 --> 00:23:27.279 wonder if you know, to Max's point there, if they start to maybe 366 00:23:29.119 --> 00:23:32.759 uh, you know, do a little bit more of a push here in 367 00:23:32.839 --> 00:23:36.119 the next I won't say a couple of weeks, but you know, maybe 368 00:23:36.119 --> 00:23:38.240 some stuff comes out, uh you know, because social media is free, 369 00:23:38.279 --> 00:23:41.240 so they can push some stuff out on social media through training camp. But 370 00:23:41.279 --> 00:23:45.400 I think once March starts, I think that's a really good opportunity to start. 371 00:23:47.319 --> 00:23:51.640 You know, you are a lot of the casual sports fan attention is 372 00:23:51.640 --> 00:23:53.759 going to go to the NCAA tournament. But I think you can you can 373 00:23:53.799 --> 00:23:57.519 squeeze in there and hopefully we'll see a little bit more of a push as 374 00:23:57.519 --> 00:24:00.640 we get, you know, closer to kick off, which you know, 375 00:24:00.680 --> 00:24:03.440 we've got a while, but yeah, I'm really hoping to see that. 376 00:24:03.799 --> 00:24:06.559 I can understand the lull right now. There's really not a lot that I 377 00:24:06.599 --> 00:24:08.640 think could grab the casual van and bring them in here, you know, 378 00:24:08.680 --> 00:24:12.000 a month and a half away, I will say, And like I said, 379 00:24:12.000 --> 00:24:15.200 I think that if you want a little bit of POI constructive criticism here. 380 00:24:15.240 --> 00:24:18.319 I know we'll talk about the merchandise here coming out, but uh, 381 00:24:18.599 --> 00:24:22.519 I think the teams are doing really good and we've had like the schedule releases 382 00:24:22.559 --> 00:24:25.720 and we can talk about times, you know, times a day and all 383 00:24:25.720 --> 00:24:27.319 that. I joke online right like because it's hey, it's five in the 384 00:24:27.359 --> 00:24:32.720 morning. We have my but you know, it's like joking here. The 385 00:24:32.759 --> 00:24:36.359 main XFL account I think could do better because what happens and I follow, 386 00:24:36.480 --> 00:24:38.240 I have it turned on where I get the notifications fro you know, when 387 00:24:38.240 --> 00:24:41.039 the league posts, I don't have all the team ones, and the teams 388 00:24:41.119 --> 00:24:44.880 will do all this great stuff all day, and then whoever is running the 389 00:24:44.960 --> 00:24:48.599 XFL one will log on like at noon and just retweet eighteen things and then 390 00:24:48.640 --> 00:24:52.119 log off again and then log back on like at three and retweet eighteen things 391 00:24:52.119 --> 00:24:55.960 and then like so, I think I think overall the league one could do 392 00:24:56.000 --> 00:24:57.720 a little bit better that way, kind of spreading out and parson. But 393 00:24:57.759 --> 00:25:02.480 I think the teams, I mean to kind of round this out and then 394 00:25:02.480 --> 00:25:04.920 we'll move on to the game ball and stead. I've been pleasantly surprised with 395 00:25:04.960 --> 00:25:08.279 the team stuff right now. Yeah, I mean they seem to be keeping 396 00:25:08.279 --> 00:25:14.160 attached. I just the way the team accounts, not the team becounts. 397 00:25:14.160 --> 00:25:17.920 The league accounts are set up right now still bothers me because it's like we 398 00:25:18.200 --> 00:25:21.759 have yeah, yeah, except for that, except that it's the XFL priantasies 399 00:25:21.880 --> 00:25:26.000 UFL or whatever, Yeah USFL for this is UFL And they won't get the 400 00:25:26.000 --> 00:25:29.960 gold check for the other one, but they'll have the gold check for one. 401 00:25:30.119 --> 00:25:34.680 And it's only going to cause more confusion. And it seems like their 402 00:25:34.759 --> 00:25:40.519 logic is we'll leach off o our arch spot and the algorithm by holding on 403 00:25:40.599 --> 00:25:44.640 to our names. And it's just like you're you're only going to be able 404 00:25:44.640 --> 00:25:48.920 to play this this this tightrope so long before eventually it's it's going to confuse 405 00:25:48.960 --> 00:25:52.240 people so much that you're going to have to make a decision on committing to 406 00:25:52.279 --> 00:25:59.640 this brand. Because currently this brand is nothing more than what's on the league 407 00:25:59.640 --> 00:26:03.359 balls, they say on TV and what's in the advertising. Like there's no 408 00:26:03.559 --> 00:26:10.119 outward pushing on all their posts. It's like that whenever you see your account 409 00:26:10.160 --> 00:26:12.519 name, unless they have a hashtag that's the UFL or we are the UFL, 410 00:26:12.599 --> 00:26:17.640 or this is the UFL schedule, you wouldn't even know if it's if 411 00:26:17.680 --> 00:26:19.359 it's a UFL account, if it's coming from the league, because it says 412 00:26:19.480 --> 00:26:22.519 US, it's going to say USFL or XFL. That's the logo you're going 413 00:26:22.559 --> 00:26:26.200 to see because they still have the logos on there on on I think one 414 00:26:26.279 --> 00:26:30.880 of them, at least I think both of them. So that's the USFL 415 00:26:30.920 --> 00:26:34.119 account. That's still USFL, right, the FL one is that the USFL 416 00:26:34.240 --> 00:26:38.839 is still the USFL account. Yeah, Like the logos are all not in 417 00:26:38.839 --> 00:26:42.440 conjunction with each other. It's it's a mess. It's it just disturbs me. 418 00:26:42.880 --> 00:26:45.240 For if you're going to push a new brand, then commit to it 419 00:26:45.279 --> 00:26:48.319 and they don't. They don't commit to it, and it bothers me. 420 00:26:48.799 --> 00:26:51.359 Well, I'm still like this when I post the Twitter thing and then like 421 00:26:51.440 --> 00:26:56.039 hashtag UFL, hashtag United Football League hashtag HL like I'm trying to get the 422 00:26:56.079 --> 00:26:57.480 name thing. I'm like, I still kind of go back and forth, 423 00:26:57.519 --> 00:27:03.039 Like if I just call all this the UFL rules, Is that enough cache 424 00:27:03.240 --> 00:27:04.799 now? Or do I need to have parentheses? You not in football league? 425 00:27:04.799 --> 00:27:07.920 Like, I don't you know, I don't really know. We'll get 426 00:27:07.960 --> 00:27:11.559 it into the rules first up lets, because I think we'll get a little 427 00:27:11.559 --> 00:27:14.160 bit quicker through this. So we have at the league ball right, This 428 00:27:14.240 --> 00:27:18.480 is always exciting. I know Seth was order number two on the site. 429 00:27:18.559 --> 00:27:21.599 John I think was after as well on the top I was number eleven, 430 00:27:21.920 --> 00:27:26.279 number eleven, Uh this week, like we showed this when The Rock was 431 00:27:26.359 --> 00:27:30.480 on Fox. But then I feel like this is different in the back now 432 00:27:30.599 --> 00:27:36.720 where we have the the conferences and all of this all all defer to Max 433 00:27:36.799 --> 00:27:38.720 first on this that thoughts on the game ball, what do we make? 434 00:27:41.160 --> 00:27:47.440 It's simple, it has a logo, and I'll say this, it doesn't 435 00:27:47.440 --> 00:27:52.079 look ugly, which can not be said about some spring football footballs in the 436 00:27:52.119 --> 00:27:56.079 past, like the AAF where the ball legit was ugly and looks like a 437 00:27:56.119 --> 00:28:02.480 college football was what a wrong opinion. Max would going, Sorry, it's 438 00:28:02.519 --> 00:28:06.759 a ball that's completely bland and has no style and also has a really expensive 439 00:28:06.799 --> 00:28:08.640 chip in it that you can't that the fans can't touch, so you know, 440 00:28:10.319 --> 00:28:15.559 I don't like it anyway, This one at least has some reflective material 441 00:28:15.680 --> 00:28:18.240 on it, no signature, because this is the United League and now Danny 442 00:28:18.319 --> 00:28:22.480 can't just you know, push herself all over this league like she could the 443 00:28:22.880 --> 00:28:29.000 XFL. So take that for whether you like it or hate it the whole 444 00:28:29.039 --> 00:28:30.920 like, oh yeah, we're gonna have each conference on that and not even 445 00:28:30.960 --> 00:28:34.400 have a logo. A just text is kind of bland to me and disappointing. 446 00:28:36.960 --> 00:28:40.000 But I like that they have the team logos on the balls, So 447 00:28:40.319 --> 00:28:44.559 that's all I got. Yeah, I like me personally. I mean the 448 00:28:44.680 --> 00:28:47.200 XFL ball was the coolest. I mean, in my opinion, I have 449 00:28:47.240 --> 00:28:49.200 it somewhere here with the tip on the end. It was supposed to whatever 450 00:28:49.599 --> 00:28:53.839 I liked the USFLM before, where at least we had like the stars on 451 00:28:55.880 --> 00:28:59.480 just anything that may it be a little more different. I saw comments on 452 00:28:59.519 --> 00:29:04.200 the ball talking about the large amount of the paint on it potentially making it 453 00:29:04.279 --> 00:29:08.119 slip more slippy trying to catch the ball. I don't know if that if 454 00:29:08.160 --> 00:29:11.519 that's the thing, But John, I'm not the biggest fan of this logo, 455 00:29:11.640 --> 00:29:14.559 so this is a hard sell for me anyway. But what do you 456 00:29:14.559 --> 00:29:18.440 think? Yeah, I mean I like it and it but it also goes 457 00:29:18.480 --> 00:29:22.680 back to you know, USFL and the XFL were supposed to be fifty to 458 00:29:22.680 --> 00:29:26.160 fifty. There you go. Yeah, I mean that was good, las 459 00:29:26.359 --> 00:29:30.359 I mean, this is this is one percent and what you can't see, 460 00:29:30.559 --> 00:29:33.599 like you can see there, but if anybody looked at the actual detail of 461 00:29:33.599 --> 00:29:36.759 that ball, the grip on it, you know, it's I mean, 462 00:29:36.799 --> 00:29:40.759 it's incredible, the little x's on there. I mean, I just that's 463 00:29:40.799 --> 00:29:44.759 that is probably my favorite spring football and I've got a few, but it 464 00:29:44.839 --> 00:29:47.519 just seems like, you know, the XFL ball was the same way as 465 00:29:47.519 --> 00:29:52.440 the USFL with the shiny logo and kind of, you know, kind of 466 00:29:52.680 --> 00:29:56.160 a simple design. I was hoping for a little bit more of some color 467 00:29:56.200 --> 00:29:59.799 in there. But I did order one, and I what I was, 468 00:30:00.079 --> 00:30:02.079 well, and I know we're going to talk about the shop, but what 469 00:30:02.160 --> 00:30:06.119 was interesting was that's the ball that you're showing there. That's the one that 470 00:30:06.200 --> 00:30:10.279 I ended up getting, I think today or either later that day. They 471 00:30:10.319 --> 00:30:15.839 added where you could get the different team balls, which I you know, 472 00:30:15.920 --> 00:30:18.000 which is fine. I mean I might have gotten I don't know who I 473 00:30:18.039 --> 00:30:21.599 would have gotten, if it would have been Birmingham or Saint Louis or you 474 00:30:21.680 --> 00:30:25.000 know, somebody I don't even know, Renegades because they were a champion, 475 00:30:25.200 --> 00:30:27.880 I don't know. But yeah, I mean I did. I've got the 476 00:30:27.960 --> 00:30:30.480 league ball, so I'll take that. But I mean it was just those 477 00:30:30.480 --> 00:30:33.359 are so much nicer, and I do like the you know, the the 478 00:30:33.440 --> 00:30:38.680 subtle logo on it, with the teams I saw, so does the back 479 00:30:38.960 --> 00:30:41.279 It sure would be nice if there was a picture of the back. Does 480 00:30:41.319 --> 00:30:45.319 it have the does it have the conference layout on it? Like where this 481 00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:48.519 is is out on the back side of it when we have the team. 482 00:30:48.119 --> 00:30:52.039 It's a good question. I don't I don't know if you even if you 483 00:30:52.079 --> 00:30:53.319 can click on there and see. I don't know. I don't want to 484 00:30:53.359 --> 00:30:56.559 criticize too much, but I do you know, because like here you can 485 00:30:56.559 --> 00:31:02.319 see the battle Hawks, that's obviously the underneath. There's no there's no other 486 00:31:02.759 --> 00:31:07.480 photo of that, so don't I don't know. Does it's a hot stamp 487 00:31:07.640 --> 00:31:11.039 complimentary conference marks, so that's got to be on the other side. So 488 00:31:12.519 --> 00:31:15.799 it looks like the ones sold out already. It looks like the Brahmas has 489 00:31:15.839 --> 00:31:18.880 sold out already. Max one hundred and seventy five. I some people going 490 00:31:18.920 --> 00:31:22.240 crazy, but I think that's the price. This is like an official game 491 00:31:22.279 --> 00:31:23.519 ball. I thought that was the price of like the NFL one as well. 492 00:31:25.759 --> 00:31:26.920 I can't remember the cost of the NFL one. I thought it was 493 00:31:26.960 --> 00:31:30.440 like two hundred, but I think that's for like over two hundred. You're 494 00:31:30.519 --> 00:31:33.720 right, the authentic one is over two hundred. And then there's like a 495 00:31:33.759 --> 00:31:37.240 replica version that's like I don't know, one hundred or less. I don't 496 00:31:37.279 --> 00:31:41.240 know. I don't know how much that one is. But if these are 497 00:31:41.279 --> 00:31:44.559 authentic balls, then one hundred and seventy five is fair. If it's not 498 00:31:44.640 --> 00:31:47.799 an authentic ball, then one hundred and seventy five is absurd. So and 499 00:31:47.839 --> 00:31:49.680 it doesn't really say it just has official ball, but that doesn't mean it's 500 00:31:49.680 --> 00:31:53.000 authentic. That just means it looks exactly like it. So, and it 501 00:31:53.000 --> 00:31:56.039 comes from Big Games, So I want to I want to give them credit 502 00:31:56.039 --> 00:32:00.640 because they they do really good work with these, and I'm thinking that for 503 00:32:00.680 --> 00:32:02.799 one hundred and seventy five dollars and it being big game, that that should 504 00:32:02.799 --> 00:32:07.400 be an authentic ball hopefully, But you know it's it's the league's discretion, 505 00:32:07.680 --> 00:32:12.880 so what kind of ball they want to sell? So no way to know 506 00:32:13.440 --> 00:32:16.039 until you get one in your hands, you know. Yeah, I the 507 00:32:16.119 --> 00:32:19.440 logo thing is fine, And man, I know they did that before. 508 00:32:19.519 --> 00:32:22.640 I prefer like we said, how the XFL did it? I don't, 509 00:32:23.039 --> 00:32:27.039 you know, it's pretty simple. The silver I don't know, it's not 510 00:32:27.400 --> 00:32:30.720 it's not super inspiring to me, not that I think that you want things 511 00:32:30.720 --> 00:32:32.440 to be outlandish, but like I to go, I've had the XFL ball, 512 00:32:32.480 --> 00:32:36.000 had enough to make it stand out. Again. We'll get to the 513 00:32:36.039 --> 00:32:38.920 rules here at the minute. I like having things that are a little bit 514 00:32:38.960 --> 00:32:42.759 differentiating. When we were talking like, hell, what's the deal? Well, 515 00:32:42.799 --> 00:32:44.960 you know, because this ball they got the tracking thing on it, 516 00:32:45.079 --> 00:32:47.000 you know, and then they you know, they can do the kickoff or 517 00:32:47.000 --> 00:32:50.440 whatever. Like I like having a little different things so they can kind of 518 00:32:50.440 --> 00:32:52.440 do that. Anything else on this we can get to the shop in general, 519 00:32:52.759 --> 00:32:55.039 Max, John, do you have anything else on the ball? No, 520 00:32:55.160 --> 00:32:59.480 I'm hoping that it'll get here sooner rather than later, and I'll give 521 00:32:59.480 --> 00:33:02.319 you a report on it. The only thing I have for you is that, 522 00:33:02.759 --> 00:33:07.680 naturally, as long as these leagues try to angle to be embody in 523 00:33:07.759 --> 00:33:09.839 partnership with the NFL, they're going to try to make their ball look like 524 00:33:09.880 --> 00:33:14.920 an NFL ball and feel like an NFL ball. So this bland look does 525 00:33:14.960 --> 00:33:19.640 not surprise me at all, even if it's disappointing. So this is a 526 00:33:20.079 --> 00:33:22.039 Max sent me the Okay, we have other photos of the of the ball. 527 00:33:22.119 --> 00:33:27.480 Okay, So in terms of the shop itself, here and you know, 528 00:33:27.519 --> 00:33:30.359 so this went on yesterday because I really, let's just get like whatever 529 00:33:30.480 --> 00:33:35.200 up here. They've added more stuff today. John was pointing out they have 530 00:33:35.279 --> 00:33:38.039 the UFL I like this with the black and gray, with the logos and 531 00:33:38.079 --> 00:33:43.519 all that stuff. Because I was just so annoyed yesterday when the press release 532 00:33:43.559 --> 00:33:45.920 came out at five point thirty that that was kind of all I focused on. 533 00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:47.559 And then when I got up, I go, okay, let me 534 00:33:47.640 --> 00:33:51.440 kind of look through all of this stuff. And I had put out a 535 00:33:51.480 --> 00:33:53.960 tweet where I was talking where I was very kind of underwhelmed by, you 536 00:33:53.960 --> 00:33:57.279 know, by the quality of the teams, and I didn't want to be 537 00:33:57.359 --> 00:34:00.039 too harsh, but I just, you know, we're kind of launching all 538 00:34:00.039 --> 00:34:02.400 of this stuff. I just I found the options here and just to kind 539 00:34:02.440 --> 00:34:07.200 of if people are on Twitter, the balls are obviously added. The only 540 00:34:07.279 --> 00:34:09.840 Renegades sure that you can get with the renegadst logo on. It has the 541 00:34:09.920 --> 00:34:13.840 schedule on the back. I've been told two of the schedules are in fact 542 00:34:14.119 --> 00:34:16.280 incorrectly marked, so to take that for what you will. And then the 543 00:34:16.320 --> 00:34:21.800 other options you have are with a helmet with the Renegades, so you can't 544 00:34:21.840 --> 00:34:24.960 get just Arlington Renegade's thing without that, and then obviously you kind of have 545 00:34:25.000 --> 00:34:29.639 this polo, not a lot of options for sweatshirts and crew sweatshirts and you 546 00:34:29.639 --> 00:34:32.079 know, black shirts, white shirts. Ever tweeted that out. I heard 547 00:34:32.159 --> 00:34:36.119 back from the league and they wanted to know that, you know, more 548 00:34:36.159 --> 00:34:39.239 items would be coming, and I certainly understand that the things I'm looking for, 549 00:34:39.639 --> 00:34:43.519 even like hats. There's no XFL hats on here. The only hats 550 00:34:43.599 --> 00:34:47.639 you have are the carryovers from the USFL. But we don't count the gamblers 551 00:34:47.639 --> 00:34:51.360 because now they're the roughnecks, and so we really only have three teams. 552 00:34:51.559 --> 00:34:53.079 I'm like talking just a black flex fit. You know, I got a 553 00:34:53.119 --> 00:34:57.519 lot of hats. Max's initial thoughts on kind of the shop because, like 554 00:34:57.559 --> 00:35:00.360 I said, I said a lot of my PCs yesterday and I I was 555 00:35:00.400 --> 00:35:02.480 told it felt like my opinion was heard, but maybe not appreciate it. 556 00:35:02.480 --> 00:35:08.079 So what did you think? It's not enough stuff, It's not enough interesting 557 00:35:08.119 --> 00:35:12.840 stuff. And on top of that, some of the stuff they have is 558 00:35:12.880 --> 00:35:19.360 straight up poor quality, like having mismatching schedules is very bad form, for 559 00:35:19.400 --> 00:35:23.960 example, and then also like none of the stuff they have or at least 560 00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:28.159 for the XFL teams. I haven't looked at all the USFL style stuff, 561 00:35:28.159 --> 00:35:30.000 but it seems they've retained a lot of the stuff they had, and some 562 00:35:30.079 --> 00:35:34.320 of that looks nice. Some of it's a little bland, Like I'm not 563 00:35:34.360 --> 00:35:37.400 a fan of the cameo hats. Sorry, but this is like stuff they 564 00:35:37.440 --> 00:35:40.480 had before, right, I mean, this is this is I mean they 565 00:35:40.480 --> 00:35:45.480 had this show. But so it's not we didn't make anything. Yeah, 566 00:35:46.159 --> 00:35:51.960 yeah, it all like I said, until I see otherwise. It feels 567 00:35:52.039 --> 00:35:55.159 like they're doing their most to avoid making as much stuff as possible so that 568 00:35:55.239 --> 00:36:00.880 they don't have to spend as much money, and until it's proven otherwise, 569 00:36:00.920 --> 00:36:02.519 until I see some more stuff other than if they just make all this new 570 00:36:02.519 --> 00:36:06.639 era stuff for the XFL teams and make nothing else, that's not enough. 571 00:36:06.679 --> 00:36:09.119 So unless I see some under Armoor stuff or something else that's distinct, maybe 572 00:36:09.159 --> 00:36:13.960 something from home Field that makes a lot of college sports uh T shirts and 573 00:36:14.000 --> 00:36:16.199 hats, those are really nice. If they make something like that, I'll 574 00:36:16.239 --> 00:36:22.039 be interested, but otherwise I'll just be Disappointedest kid here as a comment, 575 00:36:22.079 --> 00:36:23.320 Hey guys, you're doing the best. I totally understand. Again, and 576 00:36:23.360 --> 00:36:28.239 this is I never do it. And because we'll talk rules in stuff here 577 00:36:28.239 --> 00:36:31.559 as well, and I talk social media like I never try to criticize without 578 00:36:31.599 --> 00:36:36.159 giving what. You know, what I think is something that is easily done. 579 00:36:36.360 --> 00:36:39.159 Like I said, having black white shirts with the team logos that they 580 00:36:39.239 --> 00:36:44.360 added with the league logos, having black black spit hats. I'm not doing 581 00:36:44.400 --> 00:36:46.480 this as as a commercial on here, but this is the mark. And 582 00:36:46.519 --> 00:36:50.360 no one has ever bought like Paul and I used to buy something you know, 583 00:36:50.400 --> 00:36:53.360 we would make like uh, you know, this is just me on 584 00:36:53.480 --> 00:36:57.440 a like you know, you just and I know this is like a drop 585 00:36:57.480 --> 00:36:59.519 shipper and they send it, you know, and you gotta do they're going 586 00:36:59.519 --> 00:37:04.920 through like you know, I should not my podcast it sells no merchandise that 587 00:37:05.039 --> 00:37:08.880 has no you know of any kind like should not have like better or more 588 00:37:09.000 --> 00:37:13.679 robust options, and especially with when you're launching this because like John said, 589 00:37:13.840 --> 00:37:16.320 oh I went back today and they have more footballs. If I was someone 590 00:37:16.360 --> 00:37:20.880 that I went on yesterday, I'm not checking again today and tomorrow. Oh, 591 00:37:21.159 --> 00:37:22.280 like what did they get in that? Like I kind of go on 592 00:37:22.400 --> 00:37:25.960 and look. I sent it to my friends who were Sea Dragon's sticket holders. 593 00:37:27.000 --> 00:37:29.840 They went on and looked and they said, not a lot of options. 594 00:37:29.840 --> 00:37:31.320 Seems overpriced. Like, I'm probably not going to look back again, 595 00:37:31.559 --> 00:37:35.559 John, you're the optimist here, so what do you think? Well again, 596 00:37:35.639 --> 00:37:37.920 I mean I was. I had the credit card out and logged on 597 00:37:37.960 --> 00:37:42.000 because you know, our boy Seth there, as you said, he sends 598 00:37:42.039 --> 00:37:44.679 me an email like at you know, eight o'clock local time in the in 599 00:37:44.719 --> 00:37:49.159 the morning is like the shops open. So I'm like, I immediately log 600 00:37:49.239 --> 00:37:51.599 onto my computer, get the credit card out because I knew I was going 601 00:37:51.639 --> 00:37:54.199 to buy a football. But I was like, okay, I love long 602 00:37:54.239 --> 00:37:57.719 sleeve T shirts, so I was like, I'm gonna get a UFL long 603 00:37:57.760 --> 00:38:01.079 sleeve. I'll get a Saint Louis, I'll get a Birmingham. And they 604 00:38:01.079 --> 00:38:06.880 didn't have and they had no I didn't see except for a polo. All 605 00:38:06.880 --> 00:38:12.840 they had was a UFL branded polo, none of the UFL T shirts. 606 00:38:13.159 --> 00:38:16.280 And another thing, I noticed they don't have any women's clothing either. So 607 00:38:16.599 --> 00:38:20.559 I'm, you know, not that my wife is really you know, dying 608 00:38:20.639 --> 00:38:23.159 for any UFL merchandise. But I mean, you know, it's not ninety 609 00:38:23.239 --> 00:38:27.360 it's probably ninety nine percent men, but you know, you would think that 610 00:38:27.400 --> 00:38:30.119 there would be some women's merchandise. That's why I think with especially with the 611 00:38:30.199 --> 00:38:32.159 under Armor, as Max pointed out, with under Armour, I think there's 612 00:38:32.199 --> 00:38:37.360 got to be some more merchandise coming. So we've had some added today and 613 00:38:37.400 --> 00:38:40.920 then So I did buy a UFL T shirt today and then had to pay 614 00:38:42.159 --> 00:38:45.840 shipping on top of what I paid for shipping yesterday, but I begrudgingly did 615 00:38:45.880 --> 00:38:49.920 it. So but now you know, I'm reluctant to go back on next 616 00:38:49.920 --> 00:38:52.079 week and say, oh, well, there's three or four more things I 617 00:38:52.079 --> 00:38:54.199 want to get and I'm gonna have to pay shipping again. But I'm really 618 00:38:54.199 --> 00:38:59.000 hoping that they will continue to add and add, and I'm hoping the T 619 00:38:59.079 --> 00:39:02.519 shirts are good quality. I think it's from I think Breaking Teas are Well. 620 00:39:02.719 --> 00:39:06.440 Is the merchandiser for this, I'm not totally sure, but that's what 621 00:39:06.480 --> 00:39:08.760 it looked like, and I think they make pretty good stuff, so I'm 622 00:39:08.800 --> 00:39:13.440 optimistic about that. I just I'm like, I'm looking here, like I 623 00:39:13.480 --> 00:39:17.119 have I have two Kraken hats like right here, next like I am like, 624 00:39:17.360 --> 00:39:21.320 I am your target demo for all this. I think I probably have 625 00:39:21.400 --> 00:39:24.800 fifteen washing commander hats. Don't tell them what. But like I am, 626 00:39:24.920 --> 00:39:29.000 I am your target demo, so like that's why I'm just like I you 627 00:39:29.039 --> 00:39:31.679 know, these are the people and and this we had David had the comment 628 00:39:31.719 --> 00:39:34.920 here, you know, you only have one chance to make a first impression. 629 00:39:34.920 --> 00:39:37.599 We'll hide that sweete Mexico. And that's all I'm saying. Right, 630 00:39:37.800 --> 00:39:39.960 And I understand more sparciality out in, and I understand that we're working through 631 00:39:39.960 --> 00:39:44.920 all that, but uh, you know, I don't I don't know how 632 00:39:45.679 --> 00:39:49.199 the XFL had their shop and the USFL have their shop and then when they 633 00:39:49.280 --> 00:39:52.400 merge, now we have less combined. That's just hard for me to comprehend 634 00:39:52.440 --> 00:39:55.519 Max anything else. And that's because here go John, Sorry, I'm sorry, 635 00:39:55.559 --> 00:39:58.159 read. I was just going to point out, you know, the 636 00:39:58.199 --> 00:40:00.440 stuff that you have on your site is probably what is that shopify or one 637 00:40:00.440 --> 00:40:02.559 of those things. It's like a job ship. So I get it's not 638 00:40:02.800 --> 00:40:07.599 you know, it's not Apple Staples. But nevertheless, you if you went 639 00:40:07.679 --> 00:40:10.039 on the old XFL site, they had the same kind of stuff. They 640 00:40:10.079 --> 00:40:13.679 had, the tumblers, they had, you know, the plastic cups they 641 00:40:13.719 --> 00:40:15.960 had the slides, they had, all that kind of stuff was up there, 642 00:40:16.039 --> 00:40:20.920 so that's what now, if I remember correctly, they ended up adding 643 00:40:20.920 --> 00:40:23.199 a lot of that stuff later on, So maybe we're going to kind of 644 00:40:23.199 --> 00:40:25.800 see the same thing here. And if I'm not mistaken. Also, the 645 00:40:25.840 --> 00:40:30.360 old XFL shop is still up there, and I think it is a Shopify 646 00:40:30.440 --> 00:40:34.159 shop. Yeah, And it was always weird with the XFL because like the 647 00:40:34.199 --> 00:40:37.400 wwe was still fulfilling orders like through that and it was going through all that, 648 00:40:37.440 --> 00:40:40.039 I will say, and because I had, like I said comments yesterday, 649 00:40:40.280 --> 00:40:45.079 you know, give them time. The best piece of merchandise XFL twenty 650 00:40:45.119 --> 00:40:47.079 twenty ever did was the starter jackets. And I have one that's you know, 651 00:40:47.159 --> 00:40:52.440 got the dress, the dragon's logo and everything on it. That came 652 00:40:52.519 --> 00:40:55.039 and I got it to me the week the league shut down because of COVID, 653 00:40:55.199 --> 00:41:00.119 so like, and I understand different circumstances, but you don't always have 654 00:41:00.119 --> 00:41:01.760 have all this. Well, we've got nine months to get all this going, 655 00:41:01.880 --> 00:41:05.760 like you know, if you're so cash started max anything else on this 656 00:41:05.800 --> 00:41:07.400 because I don't want to be the negative Nancy, but I didn't want to 657 00:41:07.400 --> 00:41:10.800 say. I'll say two things. First off, I don't know if all 658 00:41:10.800 --> 00:41:15.039 of them are made by Breaking Tea, because all the ones that I saw 659 00:41:15.079 --> 00:41:17.480 that had Breaking Tea or named Breaking Tea and have helmet on it, So 660 00:41:19.440 --> 00:41:21.559 I don't know if any of the other ones are Breaking Tea or not. 661 00:41:21.800 --> 00:41:25.400 I haven't really bought anything because I'm not really buying tons of merche right now, 662 00:41:27.480 --> 00:41:30.840 but don't I don't know who else makes the rest of those. Second 663 00:41:30.840 --> 00:41:37.000 thing off my grace to a league who is owned by a massive media corporation 664 00:41:37.199 --> 00:41:42.480 and by a private equity firm that has billions of dollars in money to spend 665 00:41:43.039 --> 00:41:49.400 and the rock whenever they can't get more deep stuff in a shop than like 666 00:41:49.480 --> 00:41:53.039 a limited selection of T shirts and not even hats for like a significant proportion 667 00:41:53.159 --> 00:41:58.639 of their teams about a month before kickoff. My grace for that is pretty 668 00:41:58.639 --> 00:42:02.519 low. So if it would be one thing, if they had the basic 669 00:42:02.599 --> 00:42:07.159 selection they have for those USFL teams, for all the teams, then I 670 00:42:07.159 --> 00:42:08.880 would at least be like fine. I would still not be happy, but 671 00:42:08.920 --> 00:42:14.880 I probably would not be bothered. But you can't. You can't give a 672 00:42:14.960 --> 00:42:20.559 pass to a massive corporation just because they have a hard time. It's your 673 00:42:20.679 --> 00:42:24.360 fault. You're not dedicating the resources to let your shot be better, to 674 00:42:24.440 --> 00:42:30.800 have enough employees to have the resources you need. And I'm willing to give 675 00:42:30.920 --> 00:42:34.119 all the benefit of the doubt to every employee in the league. I am 676 00:42:34.119 --> 00:42:36.360 not willing to give the benefit of the doubt to the owners. They have 677 00:42:36.559 --> 00:42:39.000 proven with the way they have run both of these leagues over the past couple 678 00:42:39.039 --> 00:42:44.880 of years, that they deserve to have everyone be skeptical of them after how 679 00:42:44.880 --> 00:42:46.719 they treated us these past couple years and how they treat their players and their 680 00:42:46.719 --> 00:42:51.000 coaches and their employees. They deserve that. Yeah, I just this is 681 00:42:51.039 --> 00:42:53.119 basically becoming like read show and tell here, But I mean this is I 682 00:42:53.119 --> 00:42:58.840 mean, this is you know anyway, either words, I agree, And 683 00:42:58.880 --> 00:43:00.800 like I said, I think that the I think the team that the people 684 00:43:00.840 --> 00:43:04.559 that we know that are working kind of hand in hand and the social and 685 00:43:04.599 --> 00:43:07.039 all that stuff, I think they're doing a tremendous job. I just think 686 00:43:07.320 --> 00:43:12.960 overarching, you know, I did not hear one person that was super like 687 00:43:13.119 --> 00:43:15.920 you know, the people either so like oh it's fine and more stuff's coming, 688 00:43:15.079 --> 00:43:20.719 or like they were disappointed. Big the other big news here and then 689 00:43:20.719 --> 00:43:23.440 we'll get the comments and question all that stuff XFL or you. You have 690 00:43:23.960 --> 00:43:28.400 UFL rules coming out. Wonderful timing for me, like half hour before we're 691 00:43:28.400 --> 00:43:31.239 going live for CFL Free Agency opening, and here's the rule. So like 692 00:43:31.559 --> 00:43:36.360 only okay, so the one day you don't do the five thirty press release, 693 00:43:36.880 --> 00:43:39.159 you do it like at eleven. That's okay, guys, you gotta 694 00:43:39.199 --> 00:43:43.480 I gotta get one or the other. Here. Big takeaways. Right, 695 00:43:43.679 --> 00:43:45.880 we're doing the USFL kickoff, which I think is a mistake. I'll voice 696 00:43:45.920 --> 00:43:50.480 that in the minute. We're doing the XFL extra points. We'll go to 697 00:43:50.559 --> 00:43:53.760 max first on this. Big big takeaways from the from the rule books. 698 00:43:54.320 --> 00:44:00.599 You it's another case of we got to have everyone's perfectly and half and no 699 00:44:00.679 --> 00:44:05.239 consideration on what's actually a smart decision. We gotta appease Darryl Johnston. We 700 00:44:05.360 --> 00:44:10.000 gotta have the USFL kickoff, We gotta have certain technology used a certain way. 701 00:44:10.079 --> 00:44:13.800 We got to get rid of the ball spotters, even though that made 702 00:44:13.840 --> 00:44:15.880 everything more efficient and it didn't cost that much, and it was just a 703 00:44:15.960 --> 00:44:22.079 logical choice to make all so that we can appease both sides of the equation 704 00:44:22.159 --> 00:44:25.119 as much as possible. No one gets to have more pieces than the other, 705 00:44:25.519 --> 00:44:29.800 because God forbid, we actually try to build something better instead of just 706 00:44:29.840 --> 00:44:36.119 trying to smush two things together into some soup. And with that being said, 707 00:44:36.400 --> 00:44:38.639 most of these rules were things that we've already liked from past leagues anyway, 708 00:44:38.760 --> 00:44:43.639 and so other than those small things that I have bripes with about philosophy 709 00:44:43.840 --> 00:44:46.360 and small choices that I don't like. Whatever, if you want to go 710 00:44:46.440 --> 00:44:51.960 against the NFL themselves, who themselves is looking at the XFL style kickoff, 711 00:44:52.000 --> 00:44:54.360 be my guest, you're gonna have to implement it anyway if the NFL cho 712 00:44:54.519 --> 00:44:58.360 is to use it, or else you're gonna look really weird. So have 713 00:44:58.480 --> 00:45:02.719 fun with this mess while you have it. I get, I get one, 714 00:45:04.199 --> 00:45:07.800 and I get like, I understand what Max is say because it does 715 00:45:07.800 --> 00:45:09.199 feel that way we're trying to marry these two and like, you know, 716 00:45:09.320 --> 00:45:13.239 you too need to work together here, like we're gonna duct tape your hands 717 00:45:13.280 --> 00:45:17.119 and kind of you gotta work through all this. Uh where special teams are 718 00:45:17.760 --> 00:45:21.960 We've just seen with Kamani Turbain like, and that's a mode that we're going 719 00:45:22.000 --> 00:45:24.320 to get players to the NFL having to kick off. The more mirrors that. 720 00:45:24.400 --> 00:45:28.840 At least I do get that that they're saying that, and I'll have 721 00:45:28.880 --> 00:45:32.280 more thoughts about that. I will say. If he's now at Amazon, 722 00:45:32.320 --> 00:45:36.480 and people that follow Sam Short seen on that Sam's been on twice in the 723 00:45:36.480 --> 00:45:38.719 past. If you look at the channel kind of you can just search the 724 00:45:38.800 --> 00:45:43.719 channel his interviews. He would come on again at Amazon, and there's all 725 00:45:43.880 --> 00:45:46.239 clearances and stuff where he can't. He's like, I can't do NFL or 726 00:45:46.280 --> 00:45:50.960 you can't. It's like I can't do any podcasts. But interesting private thoughts 727 00:45:51.000 --> 00:45:52.840 with Sam kind of about all of this stuff. But if you want to 728 00:45:52.840 --> 00:45:57.519 know his thoughts, we did the XFL or the we did the him on 729 00:45:57.880 --> 00:46:00.519 after this everything collapsed and then we had them on again talking to USFL rules 730 00:46:00.519 --> 00:46:05.280 so interesting deep die of like forty minutes each time with Sam kind of talking 731 00:46:05.280 --> 00:46:07.920 about all that stuff. John what did you make of the rules here? 732 00:46:07.480 --> 00:46:10.039 Yeah, I agree with Max. It felt like it was there's a fifty 733 00:46:10.079 --> 00:46:15.039 to fifty split, and I maybe I'm in the minority. I don't know. 734 00:46:15.119 --> 00:46:17.039 I love the XFL kickoff. I think it was safer. I think 735 00:46:17.079 --> 00:46:22.119 it looked cool, But Darryl Johnston said it doesn't look like football, so 736 00:46:22.480 --> 00:46:24.400 they he really wanted. He wanted that. It seems safer to me. 737 00:46:25.480 --> 00:46:30.719 I do like and I know, you know, you know, Brandon Aubrey 738 00:46:30.800 --> 00:46:32.840 was he was the big story last year. But to get rid of the 739 00:46:32.920 --> 00:46:37.719 extra point kick. It's like the old World Football League's action point where you 740 00:46:37.760 --> 00:46:40.679 have like the tiered system, and XFL did that as well. I really 741 00:46:40.760 --> 00:46:43.920 like that. I think it adds to the game. You're never out of 742 00:46:43.960 --> 00:46:47.079 the game and you can add those points. So, you know, I'm 743 00:46:47.480 --> 00:46:52.760 fine with the rules. It was the whole like on side kick rules, 744 00:46:52.840 --> 00:46:54.760 so to speak, where it's either you know, fourth and twelve from the 745 00:46:54.760 --> 00:46:59.719 twenty eight or the thirty three. I guess they made some kind of they 746 00:46:59.719 --> 00:47:02.119 made. I'm kind of a compromise with that, But you know, I 747 00:47:02.760 --> 00:47:06.960 like the rules. I think they're fine. I think they're different enough to 748 00:47:07.679 --> 00:47:12.880 distinguish this league from the NFL, but they're similar enough that people the casual 749 00:47:12.920 --> 00:47:15.400 fan out there who wants to watch pro football, they'll understand it. And 750 00:47:15.559 --> 00:47:19.719 you know, and I think the NFL can always take away something like Max 751 00:47:19.760 --> 00:47:22.679 said, the NFL was looking at the XFL kickoff, So I'm okay with 752 00:47:22.719 --> 00:47:29.280 it. I like it. I I hated Daryl Johnson's comments about how the 753 00:47:29.360 --> 00:47:32.719 kickoff did not look like football, Like you you can think that, you 754 00:47:32.880 --> 00:47:36.480 just don't. You don't say that, But I mean, Daryl's the same 755 00:47:36.480 --> 00:47:38.079 when that came out, It's like, I'm befuzzled why our ratings are so 756 00:47:38.239 --> 00:47:40.199 terrible. It's like I also probably wouldn't have said that, Daryl. So 757 00:47:40.239 --> 00:47:45.239 I mean, I appreciate the transparency and the honesty here with that, but 758 00:47:45.400 --> 00:47:50.159 like I've said before, when you have one of these, like what is 759 00:47:50.199 --> 00:47:52.920 the elevator pitch for this league? And that's probably what I look at, 760 00:47:52.960 --> 00:47:54.960 like, you know, you're talking with people like what's the deal with the 761 00:47:55.039 --> 00:47:59.280 XFL, Like well, like the Rock owns it, you know, and 762 00:47:59.320 --> 00:48:01.039 you can go for three points and then they have a unique kickoff, like 763 00:48:01.079 --> 00:48:04.840 you kind of got to have a couple of things right because you know double 764 00:48:04.880 --> 00:48:07.039 forward pass that that you know that works, but that's not you know, 765 00:48:07.119 --> 00:48:10.599 we saw it with what the Landry Jones infamously and all that stuff, but 766 00:48:10.639 --> 00:48:14.440 like there's not and so I don't like getting rid of things like that. 767 00:48:14.519 --> 00:48:16.840 I also hate the USFL kickoff, and David has in the comments you're like 768 00:48:17.039 --> 00:48:22.880 because it does art officially inflate the yardage back and you're just we're just kicking 769 00:48:22.880 --> 00:48:27.400 the ball further back and that's not letting players get untouched to the thirty five 770 00:48:27.480 --> 00:48:30.639 yards line or whatever. Isn't exciting. And I think I understand why they 771 00:48:30.639 --> 00:48:32.920 do it because hey, let's kind of give these offenses a get go here. 772 00:48:32.920 --> 00:48:36.960 But I don't like that so kind of a multitude of reasons. There 773 00:48:37.159 --> 00:48:40.119 max any thoughts on that. Yeah, I mean, I think it's just 774 00:48:40.119 --> 00:48:45.960 a way to artificially inflate offense. Also, also, the idea that the 775 00:48:45.119 --> 00:48:50.639 XFL kickoff doesn't get touchdowns isn't true. It's just a smaller sample size because 776 00:48:50.639 --> 00:48:52.719 you only had half of one season and that and for one of them, 777 00:48:52.760 --> 00:48:55.519 and they had a full season where you get one touchdown, but in the 778 00:48:55.559 --> 00:49:00.400 other half season you had two and a half season. So the idea that 779 00:49:00.480 --> 00:49:04.840 you can't get touchdowns out of an XFL kickoff just isn't true. It just 780 00:49:04.880 --> 00:49:12.079 relies on creativity instead of just giving away yards. And that bothers me that 781 00:49:12.199 --> 00:49:15.360 Daryl doesn't say it says doesn't look like football. Whenever he participated in the 782 00:49:15.400 --> 00:49:19.880 league that originated that kickoff and was totally pumping it at that time, but 783 00:49:20.000 --> 00:49:22.639 now that you know he was competing against the league that used that kickoff, 784 00:49:22.639 --> 00:49:27.280 he just wants to slide it. It's their two faced and is one of 785 00:49:27.320 --> 00:49:30.079 the many many reasons I do not like that man, and I will be 786 00:49:30.159 --> 00:49:32.800 very clear about that because I do not like him what one bit. I 787 00:49:34.280 --> 00:49:40.159 do not have my greenex in him anyway. But other than that, you 788 00:49:40.199 --> 00:49:44.280 know, I'm interested to see. There's still some things that are unclear, 789 00:49:44.400 --> 00:49:47.199 like technology wise, are they going to be doing the automatic first down line 790 00:49:47.280 --> 00:49:52.639 thing? Again, I don't think that's been confirmed. The USFL and XFL 791 00:49:52.679 --> 00:49:57.320 crews are mashed together, so you have that new factor going on to everything's 792 00:49:57.320 --> 00:50:01.400 still pretty happ and half there and then the oh one more thing, the 793 00:50:01.440 --> 00:50:05.840 fourth and twelve, which was I believe was closer to the USFL style. 794 00:50:06.360 --> 00:50:09.320 A J. Smith is looking at chops right now thinking about how he can 795 00:50:09.360 --> 00:50:14.119 just he can just hog the ball whenever he's coming back, because he can 796 00:50:14.159 --> 00:50:16.360 just if he was curved converting four to fifteen, and it's like crazy, 797 00:50:16.360 --> 00:50:20.199 could you image him going for fourth and twelves? You know, Anthony Beck's 798 00:50:20.199 --> 00:50:22.639 probably licking his chops and like, I'm so going for it in the first 799 00:50:22.679 --> 00:50:27.599 game, just like I did last year. Agent mccarren's looking his chops. 800 00:50:27.800 --> 00:50:31.159 I feel like we're just we're just we're inflating offense to such a degree to 801 00:50:31.519 --> 00:50:36.440 where it's going to make things look impressive until you realize it's because we're intentionally 802 00:50:36.440 --> 00:50:39.719 making it easy. So take that for residue. Doesn't it feel like they're 803 00:50:39.760 --> 00:50:43.599 taking the punters out of this a little bit too, because if I understand 804 00:50:43.639 --> 00:50:46.760 the punting rule correct, you can't cough in corner punt. It's it comes 805 00:50:46.800 --> 00:50:50.800 out to the twenty five? Is that right? Am I right about that? 806 00:50:50.920 --> 00:50:53.199 Or am I wrong? Yeah? It was similar. Sam was talking 807 00:50:53.199 --> 00:50:57.360 about that to me. He doesn't like how they He's like, I feel 808 00:50:57.360 --> 00:51:00.320 like they're not really understanding some of the rules that they were there before. 809 00:51:00.320 --> 00:51:04.239 Max. Any thoughts on the punny I haven't checked the yard lines for the 810 00:51:04.239 --> 00:51:07.760 coffin corner kicks, but in the twenty twenty XFL was the thirty five from 811 00:51:07.760 --> 00:51:13.599 what I remember, for the coffin corner all right, because they really didn't 812 00:51:13.599 --> 00:51:15.360 want people kicking the ball out of bounds or doing touchbacks. They wanted to 813 00:51:15.360 --> 00:51:19.960 guarantee your return. So twenty five touch backs the kicks on the twenty five, 814 00:51:20.000 --> 00:51:22.880 the punty goes out of bounce inside we'll get there to say about. 815 00:51:22.960 --> 00:51:24.679 Yeah, so that that's more how the XFL was. They trying to take 816 00:51:24.679 --> 00:51:28.519 a little bit more of that, except it's less strong of a punishment, 817 00:51:28.599 --> 00:51:30.400 and honestly, a lot of teams will just take that and take the twenty 818 00:51:30.400 --> 00:51:35.480 five just fine, whereas in the old league with thirty five, teams legitimately 819 00:51:35.559 --> 00:51:37.239 were afraid to do it. They would pooch kick it on purpose and make 820 00:51:37.280 --> 00:51:40.119 it land at the twelve, right, So good point. That's a good 821 00:51:40.119 --> 00:51:45.440 point, whereas this version it's basically just saying you can have it. It 822 00:51:45.440 --> 00:51:47.400 won't be you won't get an extreme benefit from a coffin corner kick, but 823 00:51:47.440 --> 00:51:52.320 you won't be punished. And I want teams to be punished because I want 824 00:51:52.360 --> 00:51:57.639 returns, Because it was like six over sixty percent of punts were returned in 825 00:51:57.679 --> 00:52:00.480 the twenty twenty XFL, and I'm pretty sure the twenty twenty three way it 826 00:52:00.480 --> 00:52:04.960 was pretty similar. But this is going to result in a lot more punts 827 00:52:04.960 --> 00:52:07.840 without a return, and that's disappointed me because the whole point of this is 828 00:52:07.840 --> 00:52:10.400 that we need more plays, we need more action, we need more excitement, 829 00:52:10.400 --> 00:52:15.400 we need less dead plays. So this is another case of your appeasing 830 00:52:15.480 --> 00:52:21.480 the USFL people just because and it's not actually helpful. It just makes your 831 00:52:21.480 --> 00:52:24.400 produc more boring. But that's just me. I'm just my opinion. Don't 832 00:52:24.440 --> 00:52:28.800 don't fight me. We have dealing comments here. Just Max hate puppies, 833 00:52:29.000 --> 00:52:30.679 Max hate skins. But then we have someone asking for you to be UFL 834 00:52:30.719 --> 00:52:36.000 president because you're speaking the facts, very very very divisive here on the other 835 00:52:36.320 --> 00:52:42.480 I will say this, you know, and I remember when the who Max 836 00:52:42.480 --> 00:52:45.480 who was the guy that had the leaked podcast at the bar that was talking 837 00:52:45.559 --> 00:52:50.119 about all the like they're changing the rules and talking through all that Mosley or 838 00:52:50.159 --> 00:52:54.559 something. No, no, it was Monos Jimnos yeahmo and ns. He 839 00:52:54.719 --> 00:52:59.519 was like an old Bills guy or something, and he was talking about Truvisky, 840 00:52:59.719 --> 00:53:02.360 not risky, Nathan Peerman and all that. So that was funny, 841 00:53:04.039 --> 00:53:07.039 that was yeah. But the thing with that was they were trying you know, 842 00:53:07.119 --> 00:53:12.719 even the XFL originally right, they like and Sam talked about this having 843 00:53:12.760 --> 00:53:15.559 an interview, like you know, when we're doing that, and I like 844 00:53:15.639 --> 00:53:16.880 that they're doing the one, two, and three and you have to run 845 00:53:16.920 --> 00:53:21.760 the play right, because it doesn't incentivize anybody to go for two or three 846 00:53:21.760 --> 00:53:23.400 points if I can just kick a free point every time, but if you're 847 00:53:23.440 --> 00:53:27.039 forcing yourself to, you know, the teams to run a play after the 848 00:53:27.039 --> 00:53:29.599 touchdown, you're going to get well, we might as well just go for 849 00:53:29.599 --> 00:53:32.400 two because you know, two versus five or whatever. But there was debate 850 00:53:32.480 --> 00:53:35.639 and Sam had talked about that, like, well, how much do we 851 00:53:35.679 --> 00:53:37.960 want to remove kickers from all of this because obviously, you know, you 852 00:53:37.960 --> 00:53:42.199 can still do the field goal, but you have this and like John said, 853 00:53:42.239 --> 00:53:44.800 with special teams obviously kind of the puncher limiting. And we had a 854 00:53:44.800 --> 00:53:46.559 comment here, you know, how would that How does that help any pund 855 00:53:46.679 --> 00:53:50.960 make it to the NFL? Kind of having this so differing there. I 856 00:53:51.280 --> 00:53:53.639 do like that you have to run the place You're like the XFL feels. 857 00:53:53.960 --> 00:53:57.719 I'm glad that that stuck around even if we lost the kickoff. What do 858 00:53:57.719 --> 00:54:02.079 you say, John? Yeah? Again, as Max continues to point out, 859 00:54:02.119 --> 00:54:07.199 it's all compromised, so I you know, and I'm people don't tune 860 00:54:07.199 --> 00:54:09.920 in to football games to you know, watch the kigging game. So I 861 00:54:09.960 --> 00:54:14.440 get that to a point, but I just, yeah, it just feels 862 00:54:14.480 --> 00:54:15.719 like and that's that's a really good point. A lot of you know, 863 00:54:16.719 --> 00:54:21.800 it seems that the at least you know us, it's been a small sample 864 00:54:21.840 --> 00:54:24.760 size, but it's the special Teams players who have had the most opportunity to 865 00:54:24.840 --> 00:54:29.519 move to that next level, not just because of these tryouts or going into 866 00:54:29.559 --> 00:54:31.519 training camp, but they get into training camp because they what they what these 867 00:54:31.559 --> 00:54:35.960 teams have seen on tape. And I just it feels like you're you're taking 868 00:54:36.000 --> 00:54:39.039 some of that out. And this is supposed to be another league of opportunity 869 00:54:39.280 --> 00:54:44.480 and all that, and you know, the player fifty four and all of 870 00:54:44.519 --> 00:54:50.119 that. So that's a little disappointing because I think it does limit some opportunities 871 00:54:50.119 --> 00:54:52.920 for Special Teams players to move on to that next level. Just live hinted 872 00:54:53.000 --> 00:54:57.960 the player vidy four. Uh that Moge with the BC Lions was down at 873 00:54:57.960 --> 00:55:01.119 the he was at Vegas for the super and he was doing interviews and he 874 00:55:01.280 --> 00:55:04.599 the rock just happened to walk by, and it was right when they were 875 00:55:04.599 --> 00:55:07.119 getting ready to do the Rock and run and rains and kind of all that 876 00:55:07.159 --> 00:55:09.199 stuff and He's like, oh, you know, Rock, Like you're really 877 00:55:09.199 --> 00:55:13.920 taking the Battle of Alberta to another level because obviously rum and rains. He 878 00:55:14.079 --> 00:55:15.519 had a cup of coffee with the Eskimos and then the Rock. I'm like, 879 00:55:15.599 --> 00:55:20.480 we're really pushing the narrative here, like like now we're like moving the 880 00:55:20.480 --> 00:55:23.679 CFL stuff in the Rock and all that. I do like the the two 881 00:55:23.719 --> 00:55:29.519 feet I've seen a lot of USML people now like that's what makes it better. 882 00:55:29.920 --> 00:55:31.480 I think the two feeds better. Max, any thoughts on that or 883 00:55:31.519 --> 00:55:37.199 anything else on John's comments, I'd rather they inflate offense with one foot catch 884 00:55:37.840 --> 00:55:43.960 for safety and for quite frankly, helping college players develop into NFL players because 885 00:55:43.960 --> 00:55:46.639 you're a lot of young players. Then have two feet catch and make it 886 00:55:46.760 --> 00:55:51.199 just as hard as the NFL is for receiver right out the gate, second 887 00:55:51.239 --> 00:55:54.960 off. Just to go back to the punt rules really fast, because this 888 00:55:55.039 --> 00:55:59.440 is stuck in my craw Okay, listen, If the punt rules didn't help 889 00:55:59.480 --> 00:56:02.119 players get to the NFL, how come Dan Willy made it. If the 890 00:56:02.159 --> 00:56:06.039 punt rules didn't help players in the NFL, how come the increased degree of 891 00:56:06.079 --> 00:56:09.800 difficulty made it more impressive? Their ability to punt the ball d if. 892 00:56:10.480 --> 00:56:14.760 I don't buy that argument, because the results are in the proof is in 893 00:56:14.800 --> 00:56:17.519 the pudding. If anything, the difficulty helps them keep the ball in bounce, 894 00:56:17.599 --> 00:56:22.840 It helps them roll the ball in without getting the end zone. It 895 00:56:22.880 --> 00:56:25.719 makes them more precise, It makes it more challenging, it makes it more 896 00:56:25.719 --> 00:56:30.840 frustrating. But I'd rather have trial by fire than them not being able to 897 00:56:30.840 --> 00:56:35.239 make the cut, So you know, I don't agree with that notion. 898 00:56:35.400 --> 00:56:39.000 I think the idea that a rule being hard inherently makes it worse for special 899 00:56:39.039 --> 00:56:45.320 teams guys whenever they need to have difficulty and precision and repeated reps is bad. 900 00:56:45.480 --> 00:56:51.159 Whereas if you have extra difficulty for a receiver whenever it's so hard for 901 00:56:51.199 --> 00:56:54.480 them just to focus on running routes and catching the ball to then on top 902 00:56:54.519 --> 00:56:58.760 of that, put on the two feet difficulty whenever they're just trying to make 903 00:56:58.760 --> 00:57:02.920 a camp. No one is really worried yet about an XFL receiver USFL receiver 904 00:57:04.360 --> 00:57:08.880 being the to the toe drag swag guy and making fantastic catches and starting consistently 905 00:57:08.960 --> 00:57:15.079 that that's not a realistic expectation for any XFL USFL UFL even CFL receivers for 906 00:57:15.119 --> 00:57:20.360 the most part. So that's why I don't like that. David says he's 907 00:57:20.400 --> 00:57:22.559 going to customize the team jersey with a punter on it. Uh. But 908 00:57:22.880 --> 00:57:25.760 they say you want Trabot fire respecial teams. But then you're okay with the 909 00:57:25.760 --> 00:57:28.960 one you know, you want the one foot it too, Like I you 910 00:57:29.039 --> 00:57:34.800 know, that's I justify my reasoning. I justified myself. John any other 911 00:57:34.880 --> 00:57:37.960 found f on the TV because I I I like that. I think what 912 00:57:37.079 --> 00:57:40.719 Fanka til Football did the one or I can't remember what they their rules were. 913 00:57:40.760 --> 00:57:45.599 I did laugh. They the NBA was showing like a led floor that 914 00:57:45.639 --> 00:57:47.760 they're going to use for the All Star Game, and like bankatl Football sitting 915 00:57:47.760 --> 00:57:52.480 there like, damn it we have. But I think the two feet's good. 916 00:57:53.079 --> 00:57:57.320 I'm okay with it just because that's what these receivers are going to have 917 00:57:57.320 --> 00:57:59.920 to do to get to the next level. But I will say, being 918 00:58:00.039 --> 00:58:02.159 Devil's advocate, and you know, as Max was saying, if it cuts, 919 00:58:02.199 --> 00:58:06.440 if it starts to cut down on offense, you know, then you 920 00:58:06.519 --> 00:58:09.920 might want to revisit that because you don't want seven three games as finals. 921 00:58:10.079 --> 00:58:15.519 Uh. That because that's not going to catch you know, I keep saying 922 00:58:15.559 --> 00:58:19.599 casual fans, but I really believe that for this league to succeed, it 923 00:58:19.639 --> 00:58:22.800 can't be us, you know, just watching this. It's got to be 924 00:58:22.920 --> 00:58:25.280 some some outside people and they don't want to watch seven three games because people 925 00:58:25.360 --> 00:58:29.440 already scoff at spring football. There's a lot out there. It's easy to 926 00:58:29.440 --> 00:58:34.079 do because of the many because of the history of spring football. But if 927 00:58:34.079 --> 00:58:37.599 you if it's if this will work and it will get guys to the next 928 00:58:37.679 --> 00:58:40.440 level and you can have the offense, it might be a lot to ask, 929 00:58:40.679 --> 00:58:44.719 but I'm but the bottom line is I'm okay with it because I think 930 00:58:44.719 --> 00:58:47.800 that's going to help these players more than anything. Yeah, I don't again, 931 00:58:47.880 --> 00:58:51.519 just surround up my you know, someone that covers the CFL as well, 932 00:58:51.559 --> 00:58:53.000 and they deal with a lot of like, you know, are they 933 00:58:53.039 --> 00:58:57.360 better than the NFL or they worse? And the talent level And it's the 934 00:58:57.400 --> 00:59:01.360 same with this, like when it's obvious the talent level is not the same, 935 00:59:01.719 --> 00:59:06.400 right, you know, by and large, I appreciate having differences so 936 00:59:06.480 --> 00:59:08.480 you're not as focused on like, uh, you know, oh, well, 937 00:59:08.840 --> 00:59:12.880 like clearly these guys like having I just I like having not like bells 938 00:59:12.920 --> 00:59:15.119 and whistles, having a little more like the CFL game, you know, 939 00:59:15.239 --> 00:59:20.599 completely different and trying to change that. Like I like having enough differentiating things 940 00:59:20.599 --> 00:59:23.760 that you're concentrating more on just that being a unique, unique game versus like 941 00:59:24.079 --> 00:59:28.320 the USFL last year, which was like this is the NFL light and they're 942 00:59:28.320 --> 00:59:30.079 played in the spring and they use the same music, but they just have 943 00:59:30.199 --> 00:59:34.119 less people in the stands. Like I like having a little bit more. 944 00:59:34.320 --> 00:59:37.519 Again, I never I didn't always like with the XFL what they wanted their 945 00:59:38.039 --> 00:59:42.239 kind of uh persona, but they wanted their brand to be. But I 946 00:59:42.239 --> 00:59:45.480 at least appreciated kind of that they have their brand, max their brand, 947 00:59:45.719 --> 00:59:49.840 and they really leaned into gambling. I noticed that like the NFL ESPN, 948 00:59:50.400 --> 00:59:53.920 really they did not shy away from gambling. It was it was Ian Fitzimmons 949 00:59:53.920 --> 00:59:58.119 today that he was a cashman field and he and for the second half of 950 00:59:58.119 --> 01:00:00.840 the game talked repeatedly he had to overrun or he's like, oh I have 951 01:00:00.880 --> 01:00:04.239 my receiver. I'm like, I am so tired of hearing dude about your 952 01:00:04.280 --> 01:00:07.039 about your bat here homie, Like I understand this not the most exciting game 953 01:00:07.119 --> 01:00:13.199 right now, Like that's how you make those kinds of games exciting. Yeah, 954 01:00:13.199 --> 01:00:15.760 because Vegas didn't have a lot of excitement. They did not. Okay, 955 01:00:15.800 --> 01:00:19.039 I'm going to pop a shot now. If you care so much about 956 01:00:19.079 --> 01:00:22.320 gambling, why don't you release accurate and consistently time depth charts. If you 957 01:00:22.400 --> 01:00:27.360 care about gambling, why issue you can't criticize the end because we don't know 958 01:00:27.400 --> 01:00:28.719 you. No, no, no, But this is about this is about 959 01:00:28.719 --> 01:00:30.119 the past. This is about what happened in the past. Because you talked 960 01:00:30.119 --> 01:00:34.000 about how the old XFL cared about so much about gambling, and then they 961 01:00:34.320 --> 01:00:37.599 drop the ball and they and then they say, and then the social media 962 01:00:37.639 --> 01:00:40.960 people talking about how depth charts don't matter and injury reports don't matter, and 963 01:00:40.960 --> 01:00:43.840 we're only going to give it out to the media. We're not going to 964 01:00:43.880 --> 01:00:45.800 post on our website, We're not gonna post on social media. And then 965 01:00:45.800 --> 01:00:49.719 when people wonder why it's so hard for people to be involved in gambling and 966 01:00:49.880 --> 01:00:53.880 fantasy football for spring football, and it's pretty obvious why So you know, 967 01:00:54.199 --> 01:00:58.639 if you would like to actually use that and leverage that as for your marketing, 968 01:00:58.719 --> 01:01:00.239 then you need to commit to it instead of sucking at it, but 969 01:01:00.280 --> 01:01:05.599 whatever, maybe they finally gotten the message now, but remember and then it 970 01:01:05.639 --> 01:01:07.239 was because the extrav that would do that. Then the USFL like was it 971 01:01:07.360 --> 01:01:10.480 Sam got Sam Shady got one of the depth charts and then they're like you 972 01:01:10.519 --> 01:01:14.440 need to take that down? Like you can't both. It was like, 973 01:01:14.800 --> 01:01:17.800 okay, whether we if you have any questions here, we'll round this out 974 01:01:17.800 --> 01:01:21.360 here pretty soon. Then we've touched on all the major points. I wanted 975 01:01:21.360 --> 01:01:23.000 to if you have any questions, put them in the comments. Do we 976 01:01:23.119 --> 01:01:25.920 know I know you talked about the technology. Are we doing chipball? Do 977 01:01:27.000 --> 01:01:29.599 we have chip gate again? Is that what's happening? Or are we still 978 01:01:29.639 --> 01:01:34.079 TVD on that. I have not heard anything about that. You might have, 979 01:01:34.159 --> 01:01:36.920 Max, I have not heard anything on any kind of technology like that. 980 01:01:37.800 --> 01:01:39.199 I haven't heard anything. I hope they keep the first down line. 981 01:01:39.239 --> 01:01:42.960 Actually thought that was pretty cool, the automated first down line. I thought 982 01:01:42.960 --> 01:01:45.920 that was awesome. I hope they keep Bolt six for replay reviews, just 983 01:01:45.960 --> 01:01:50.880 like they were using in both leagues. Other than that, I don't want 984 01:01:50.920 --> 01:01:53.440 a whole lot of extra technological influence. I don't want them to try to 985 01:01:53.480 --> 01:01:58.559 test anything terribly new right now. I want that to be for way down 986 01:01:58.559 --> 01:02:01.920 the road. The other thing I wanted to talk about, because now the 987 01:02:01.960 --> 01:02:05.800 A. J. McCarey transaction is final, I thought since we had a 988 01:02:05.800 --> 01:02:08.519 few minutes, so we could kind of give our thoughts on the just briefly 989 01:02:08.599 --> 01:02:12.599 on who you would predict to start for each team before camp starts, to 990 01:02:12.599 --> 01:02:15.639 give it five minutes and then let it rest, because now we kind of 991 01:02:15.679 --> 01:02:17.519 have a full picture of who's going to get the quarterbacks in these leagues. 992 01:02:17.639 --> 01:02:20.679 Well, I got that pull up? Do we have rosters here? Pulled 993 01:02:20.760 --> 01:02:22.599 up? I got a list on my phone I can share with you if 994 01:02:22.639 --> 01:02:27.480 you want real quick, I can tell you this. I'm still trying to 995 01:02:27.480 --> 01:02:30.639 figure out. Like I said earlier, the Birmingham situation. I mean, 996 01:02:30.039 --> 01:02:35.400 it's like who again you know? To me, J Mar Smith is the 997 01:02:35.400 --> 01:02:37.000 starter. I mean, I don't know how I could go against that. 998 01:02:37.480 --> 01:02:40.360 But then they ring in Matt Corral and then they had the draft pick. 999 01:02:40.760 --> 01:02:45.719 So yeah, I don't know. Is it league here at League Rules Careers? 1000 01:02:46.079 --> 01:02:50.039 Where is the rosters here on the website? I'm looking at their teams? 1001 01:02:50.079 --> 01:02:52.960 Am I am? I slow here? So I just pulled it from 1002 01:02:53.000 --> 01:02:57.440 Wikipedia because someone made like a draft page and they update it, but some 1003 01:02:57.480 --> 01:02:59.519 of the ones are hidden, so you don't only be able to find it 1004 01:02:59.559 --> 01:03:01.320 if you went to the twenty twenty three season version. But I made a 1005 01:03:01.360 --> 01:03:06.320 list of like all the ones that are like potential starting candidates, and I'm 1006 01:03:06.320 --> 01:03:08.920 just going to text them to you. Right now. Someone's saying UFL newsroom, 1007 01:03:09.000 --> 01:03:13.320 I'll give them a I'll give them a newsroom does have like a draft 1008 01:03:13.760 --> 01:03:16.400 like page that they update with the rosters. But you know, it's not 1009 01:03:16.440 --> 01:03:20.239 like it's to the minute, like the league is supposed to get it first 1010 01:03:20.280 --> 01:03:22.320 or whatever. I don't want to get any spamware going to this site, 1011 01:03:22.360 --> 01:03:28.400 Steffan, So just I don't. I don't want teams USFL UFL teams, 1012 01:03:28.559 --> 01:03:34.000 Arlington Renegades. Well, hey, if they got it on their coaching staff, 1013 01:03:34.639 --> 01:03:37.519 oh want it? Okay? Were this okay? All right? You 1014 01:03:37.559 --> 01:03:42.480 know broken clock here? If we got it? So we got renegades here. 1015 01:03:42.519 --> 01:03:46.199 I like this quarterback lease Prez Lindsay Scott Holton Taylor's uh, you know 1016 01:03:46.400 --> 01:03:51.119 the least Perez rides again there, John, What do you think one hundred 1017 01:03:51.119 --> 01:03:53.840 percent? I mean I think that Lindsay Scott is, you know, maybe 1018 01:03:53.880 --> 01:03:58.400 has a chance. Holton, it was funny that Holton Naylors said, you 1019 01:03:58.440 --> 01:04:02.760 know, they pretty much instead we that he He said on a podcast that 1020 01:04:03.960 --> 01:04:08.719 the coaching staff and management told him, well, we really want a younger 1021 01:04:08.800 --> 01:04:12.679 quarterback to come in here and challenge Louis Perez and maybe win the job. 1022 01:04:12.880 --> 01:04:15.239 So it's a I don't know if they don't have a lot of faith in 1023 01:04:15.360 --> 01:04:17.480 Louis Perez, but man, that guy's got such a track record. I 1024 01:04:17.519 --> 01:04:21.199 don't know why you wouldn't. So I'm gonna ride that Perez bandwagon all the 1025 01:04:21.199 --> 01:04:25.000 way. Max. I'm still amazed at that. Man. I mean, 1026 01:04:25.039 --> 01:04:28.280 good for Louis Perez here, but what do you think here? I love 1027 01:04:28.360 --> 01:04:31.400 Louis, but I think you gotta you gotta bet on talent. And I've 1028 01:04:31.519 --> 01:04:36.280 never been more impressed by an FCS quarterback that's you know, not NFL level 1029 01:04:38.440 --> 01:04:41.400 since Louis, Since Lindsay Scott. I mean, he said all the records, 1030 01:04:42.159 --> 01:04:44.639 he won, the Walter Payon Award, he did all of it. 1031 01:04:45.159 --> 01:04:49.199 He you know, so on talent, I have to pick Lindsay Scott just 1032 01:04:49.239 --> 01:04:53.480 for that. But I do think it's going to come down to the wire, 1033 01:04:53.599 --> 01:04:58.800 just because of all the experience Perez has and his adaptability is so far 1034 01:04:58.880 --> 01:05:03.320 ahead of and he's typical spring football quarterback, especially who else is in that 1035 01:05:03.400 --> 01:05:08.960 room. I'd imagine the learning curve for Scott will be tougher, and that 1036 01:05:09.159 --> 01:05:13.400 in the early days he's going to struggle, and then as he gets settled 1037 01:05:13.400 --> 01:05:15.039 in at the end, the talent's gonna show and they're gonna have a tough 1038 01:05:15.039 --> 01:05:18.280 decision. I thought Alors was gonna make the cut. I really thought he 1039 01:05:18.360 --> 01:05:20.599 was gonna make the cut with the Seahawks. Read sorry, didn't mean interrupt 1040 01:05:20.639 --> 01:05:24.679 you, but you're you know. I'm a Seahawks fan, So I watched 1041 01:05:24.679 --> 01:05:27.119 a lot of the preseason. I thought, man, this guy was pretty 1042 01:05:27.159 --> 01:05:29.440 good. He was very fun to watch when he's coming to there. I 1043 01:05:29.519 --> 01:05:31.280 mean, obviously he's playing against fourth and fifth stringers, but he was fun 1044 01:05:31.280 --> 01:05:35.800 to watch when he got in. I yeah, I was trying. I 1045 01:05:36.039 --> 01:05:39.559 didn't try to. I tried a little bit more of the Commanders preseason, 1046 01:05:39.800 --> 01:05:42.480 presently enough, but we were at the game, Drew Locke was there. 1047 01:05:42.519 --> 01:05:44.800 I think Aylor's played a little bit. We did. We did theg Go 1048 01:05:44.840 --> 01:05:47.320 to one preseason where he beat the Cowboys, which was probably the Seahawks, 1049 01:05:47.360 --> 01:05:51.880 you know, play off win in the height of the season there that poy 1050 01:05:53.280 --> 01:05:55.960 It does make sense like what you're saying though, with Lindsay coming in a 1051 01:05:55.960 --> 01:06:00.639 little bit more inexperienced pushing at least, well, it was like Louise is 1052 01:06:00.679 --> 01:06:03.039 gonna have no issue with like competition and he'll be happy to like if he 1053 01:06:03.119 --> 01:06:05.559 lose his a happy to mentor and kind of all that. Souff. I 1054 01:06:05.599 --> 01:06:09.280 don't see Louise as having an he's heard of the ego of any kind of 1055 01:06:09.360 --> 01:06:12.320 like let me help kind of make this guy be better. Max. I 1056 01:06:12.360 --> 01:06:15.199 will just say like this, this is I like this roster man. I'm 1057 01:06:15.199 --> 01:06:17.320 not trying to like this, trying to show for UFL newsrom but I like 1058 01:06:17.320 --> 01:06:20.079 how this is laid out. Yes, it's solid. You know, they 1059 01:06:20.079 --> 01:06:23.920 gotta they got to keep the website maintained at the least so that people will 1060 01:06:24.000 --> 01:06:27.880 keep coming back. Uh. You know. The thing with Alors for me 1061 01:06:28.119 --> 01:06:31.400 is he was not my favorite American Conference quarterback or anywhere near it. Whenever 1062 01:06:31.440 --> 01:06:34.119 he was playing. I was a bigger fan of Seth Henigan at Memphis, 1063 01:06:34.159 --> 01:06:38.320 who's still there because he's got like six years senior, fifth year senior or 1064 01:06:38.400 --> 01:06:42.679 whatever is going on with COVID years stuff. So but I wasn't. I 1065 01:06:42.719 --> 01:06:47.559 wasn't that impressed with Hulton Aylors comparatively at ECU, compared to like even Tanner 1066 01:06:47.599 --> 01:06:51.159 Mordecai when he was at SMU. I was more impressed with than Holton Alors. 1067 01:06:51.239 --> 01:06:56.559 And he's you know, completely shlubbing in at Wisconsin now. So I 1068 01:06:56.880 --> 01:07:00.559 would not expect Alors to be anything more than a backup for this team. 1069 01:07:00.599 --> 01:07:03.199 And if Scott does win that job, just watch Perez get traded again and 1070 01:07:03.280 --> 01:07:06.440 end up on another championship team by the first playoff. Just watch it. 1071 01:07:08.480 --> 01:07:14.039 I could totally see that before we move off and the Renegades and Philip had 1072 01:07:14.079 --> 01:07:16.320 a question, the Renegade is going to have a banner hanging ceremony. Can't 1073 01:07:16.360 --> 01:07:20.880 imagine that? What else is doing? I mean, yeah, but I 1074 01:07:20.960 --> 01:07:23.920 hang it in the corner. What else are we doing? I mean, 1075 01:07:24.119 --> 01:07:26.320 I think they could hang one and then you know, stick it in a 1076 01:07:26.360 --> 01:07:29.559 closet till the team comes back for another year, you know, but you 1077 01:07:29.599 --> 01:07:31.280 know, it's funny. We could hang both. We could do a banner 1078 01:07:31.280 --> 01:07:35.000 hanging ceremony and like because it's the it will be the champion versus champion. 1079 01:07:35.039 --> 01:07:38.840 Just do a ceremony for both teams at the same time, be like the 1080 01:07:38.880 --> 01:07:41.599 Battle of the Champions, bring out the trumpets or whatever. I don't know. 1081 01:07:41.760 --> 01:07:45.199 Birmingham did it, Yeah, yeah, they did do. If if 1082 01:07:45.199 --> 01:07:48.679 the Lakers can raise a banner for their in season inaugural tournament win, I 1083 01:07:48.719 --> 01:07:51.639 think that we can hang a banner for the Renegades. I will say that. 1084 01:07:53.280 --> 01:07:56.960 All right, let's go here, Stallions. Uh so we don't have 1085 01:07:57.000 --> 01:08:01.199 the updated on here right because we're missing Corral right here. So uh. 1086 01:08:01.360 --> 01:08:05.280 J Marsmith, Jayla Moore and Adrian Martinez will go first to John here because 1087 01:08:05.320 --> 01:08:09.920 this is right. You're are you all in on Buckham, are you Stallions? 1088 01:08:10.079 --> 01:08:13.039 Oh yeah, totally. I'm I'm giddy up on that on that side 1089 01:08:13.079 --> 01:08:15.920 of the conference. But I think, I think to me J. Mar 1090 01:08:15.000 --> 01:08:17.920 Smith, because he had you know before, I mean, you got hurt 1091 01:08:17.920 --> 01:08:20.119 in the first game of the season, so he was already named the starter. 1092 01:08:20.560 --> 01:08:24.800 And then of course Alex Magoo took over and blew up. So to 1093 01:08:24.920 --> 01:08:27.199 me, he's the guy. But you know, there's been a lot of 1094 01:08:27.199 --> 01:08:31.960 talk about Adrian Martinez, who I believe Birmingham drafted so and drafted early if 1095 01:08:32.000 --> 01:08:35.520 I'm not mistaken. So Max you might know more than that. But about 1096 01:08:35.520 --> 01:08:39.039 that, but to me, j Mar is the starter. I don't know 1097 01:08:39.079 --> 01:08:42.520 that because I think he just has so much talent, and I think Skip 1098 01:08:42.520 --> 01:08:45.640 Holtz has a lot of faith in him. There's a personal bond there with 1099 01:08:45.800 --> 01:08:50.239 j Mar that doesn't exist with most other players on spring football teams. With 1100 01:08:50.359 --> 01:08:56.479 that being said, the talent Corral had coming out of college is clear. 1101 01:08:56.640 --> 01:09:00.039 However, once you were been in the NFL for a period of time and 1102 01:09:00.319 --> 01:09:03.720 your confidence gets shot, you don't know what you're gonna get coming out the 1103 01:09:03.760 --> 01:09:06.399 other end. Sometimes you get Bend de Nucci and he lights it up, 1104 01:09:06.760 --> 01:09:12.439 and sometimes you get guys like Cole McDonald, who are you know, as 1105 01:09:12.680 --> 01:09:16.800 as we would say it went fire or whatever. Uh, So you know, 1106 01:09:17.760 --> 01:09:20.920 it's just you don't know what you're gonna get. So we'll see. 1107 01:09:20.960 --> 01:09:25.199 But I certainly think there's gonna be a lot of conversation and hype, and 1108 01:09:25.239 --> 01:09:28.880 I don't think it's settled that Jmr's starter, even though he probably wouldn't get 1109 01:09:28.920 --> 01:09:31.319 favorites, because I don't think it's settled at all. No, are we 1110 01:09:31.600 --> 01:09:35.399 surprised that the Nucci right decide? He right? He signed back on with 1111 01:09:35.439 --> 01:09:40.359 the Broncos, right or we right? Am I making a fever dream? 1112 01:09:40.560 --> 01:09:42.399 Yeah? He did, But I'm not surprised at all. I mean, 1113 01:09:42.920 --> 01:09:45.319 he was the one and down that he's like. I don't He was blatant 1114 01:09:45.319 --> 01:09:48.039 the entire time. The only reason he was here was to get back in 1115 01:09:48.079 --> 01:09:51.039 the NFL. And he's just gonna hang on into those coat tails until he 1116 01:09:51.079 --> 01:09:55.159 gets kicked out again. And you know, when he does get kicked out 1117 01:09:55.159 --> 01:09:57.479 again, he's still young. He's got a lot of time left to come 1118 01:09:57.520 --> 01:10:01.920 back and do an aj mcaerron type of season, if you wi Jay DJ 1119 01:10:02.000 --> 01:10:04.760 pieces, I wonder who the Brahmas charter will be. We're gonna, we're 1120 01:10:04.920 --> 01:10:08.960 moving through and we're getting there. We're gonna anything else that John here. 1121 01:10:09.159 --> 01:10:12.119 I mean, we'll do I said, we'll do full roster breakdowns when I 1122 01:10:12.119 --> 01:10:15.439 get back from vacation and we'll get on. Maybe John could do the burming, 1123 01:10:15.079 --> 01:10:18.159 you know, whoever, we'll get all that in the pack battle and 1124 01:10:18.159 --> 01:10:21.159 all that stuff. We'll figure out that out, all right, going to 1125 01:10:21.199 --> 01:10:25.880 the defenders here, and this doesn't have Taomu right, because he's official official 1126 01:10:25.920 --> 01:10:29.039 official back now, right, Max? Or is it still not? They 1127 01:10:29.079 --> 01:10:31.439 haven't announced it yet. I thought they did announce it. I know Mike 1128 01:10:31.520 --> 01:10:34.439 posted about it. Have I not announced it yet? And oh and then 1129 01:10:34.520 --> 01:10:39.720 Jake Russell co confirmed with the My I don't think it's officially yet, but 1130 01:10:39.720 --> 01:10:43.079 tayom moves back. Mike's reported that Jake Russell with the Washington Post, which 1131 01:10:43.199 --> 01:10:45.359 God blessed. Uh, I'm like, Jake, you worked for the Washington 1132 01:10:45.399 --> 01:10:50.279 Posts. Like why are you dealing with like ufl impressions? Like anyway, 1133 01:10:50.880 --> 01:10:54.960 we'll go first and maxure on this. It's got to be Tayomu right, 1134 01:10:55.359 --> 01:10:59.039 it can only be Toyomu. I don't even understand why the other two guys 1135 01:10:59.079 --> 01:11:02.520 are really on the roster. Honestly, you gotta have backups. You are 1136 01:11:02.560 --> 01:11:05.840 gonna have better options than those guys. If you want backups, you couldn't. 1137 01:11:06.279 --> 01:11:10.199 That looks like camp arms. You're right, Yeah, I'm sorry. 1138 01:11:10.199 --> 01:11:14.079 I don't like either of them, and neither of them perfectly really fit the 1139 01:11:14.119 --> 01:11:17.960 Derek King mold either. I mean, Francois definitely doesn't and McClinton is is 1140 01:11:18.039 --> 01:11:23.760 like a weird slower but taller version, Like you could make it work with 1141 01:11:23.840 --> 01:11:28.039 him as a running quarterback, but it's not gonna be as as shifty as 1142 01:11:28.079 --> 01:11:31.239 Agile, as impressive, as threatening as Deeric was in any way. So 1143 01:11:31.840 --> 01:11:35.279 maybe they're just buying their time. Maybe they're hoping one of these guys can 1144 01:11:35.319 --> 01:11:38.840 really take a boose, because I was not impressed with either of these guys. 1145 01:11:38.840 --> 01:11:43.560 And I think the hype for Jalen Mclinton in particular was completely Yeah, 1146 01:11:43.920 --> 01:11:45.119 Like I don't even know where that came from, because you look at his 1147 01:11:45.119 --> 01:11:47.720 PFF grades, you look at his film and you're like, there's nothing that 1148 01:11:47.760 --> 01:11:51.680 stands out, and there's a lot of there's not that many great amazing decisions 1149 01:11:51.680 --> 01:11:57.119 either. And then Francois was a complete wreck both on and off the field 1150 01:11:57.199 --> 01:12:00.720 last season. Well, I was gonna say, are we surprised he's even 1151 01:12:00.279 --> 01:12:03.199 here still? I Mean, the thing I remember about him is when he 1152 01:12:03.199 --> 01:12:08.800 got in the huddle and told told him to shut the f up. That's 1153 01:12:08.840 --> 01:12:12.880 the one. The one thing I remember for me last year the dormity controversy. 1154 01:12:12.960 --> 01:12:15.000 Yeah, he was the one with the dormandy right. They said that 1155 01:12:15.000 --> 01:12:18.199 he was given away the playbook, right, So there's this classless I'm sorry, 1156 01:12:18.199 --> 01:12:23.119 but I can't. I can't support this that situation. But I love 1157 01:12:23.199 --> 01:12:26.159 Reggie Barlow and he did a lot for de Eric King and now he's the 1158 01:12:26.199 --> 01:12:30.399 quarterback coach at s m U, and I'm happy for I hope that Reggie 1159 01:12:30.640 --> 01:12:33.159 spoke to him about that and give him some advice because I think Eric's gonna 1160 01:12:33.159 --> 01:12:35.319 have quite a seat learning curve on how to be a coach. For the 1161 01:12:35.359 --> 01:12:40.960 first time, I was just peruising Twitter here, this isn't this isn't handjum 1162 01:12:41.000 --> 01:12:45.680 and this is Colin Coward. That's a losing Commanders winning the division next year. 1163 01:12:45.039 --> 01:12:48.840 That is probably the greatest tweet I've seen in my life. Very excited 1164 01:12:48.880 --> 01:12:54.520 there, uh in terms of yeah, the francois thing like I just I 1165 01:12:54.560 --> 01:12:58.239 feel like we've done this. So here's the what like DC brings in someone 1166 01:12:58.319 --> 01:13:01.800 else? Are they still I mean they have I mean it wins the cutoff, 1167 01:13:01.840 --> 01:13:04.920 I guess to get someone in there. They mean they've got to have 1168 01:13:04.960 --> 01:13:09.560 a few weeks. I mean CAM doesn't start for another week and even and 1169 01:13:09.840 --> 01:13:12.920 there's always guys that get brought in after the start of camp, so there's 1170 01:13:12.960 --> 01:13:16.239 time they can find somebody. There's always somebody, you know. I wonder 1171 01:13:16.239 --> 01:13:19.159 where Eric Dungee's up to right now, for example, I don't know where 1172 01:13:19.159 --> 01:13:23.600 he's at. But there's got to be a better option than Jalen mcclemon and 1173 01:13:23.640 --> 01:13:27.239 DeAndre francois your backup quarterback? And if there isn't the trade for somebody, 1174 01:13:27.239 --> 01:13:30.760 because some of these teams have four quarterbacks, you got to find someone, 1175 01:13:30.640 --> 01:13:33.039 all right, John, anything else on that, well, we'll put through 1176 01:13:33.079 --> 01:13:36.399 here. We covered that one. Yeah, all right, we'll get here. 1177 01:13:36.760 --> 01:13:40.199 We'll roll through this and track it out here. So there were the 1178 01:13:40.279 --> 01:13:44.600 rough necks here, Phillips saying, bring back PJ and the PG is coming 1179 01:13:44.640 --> 01:13:48.560 back. Ken, you be hard reads in that, Jared one and Tanouh, 1180 01:13:48.880 --> 01:13:53.039 we'll go what do you think? What do you think? Max? 1181 01:13:54.039 --> 01:13:56.880 Ken? She got cut? So I don't know why he's here. Okay, 1182 01:13:56.880 --> 01:14:00.520 Well, so hey, we're not we're not criticizing PFN. Hey, 1183 01:14:00.560 --> 01:14:02.920 Ali says, I don't know why he's here. Got anything else say in 1184 01:14:02.960 --> 01:14:10.000 that, I don't know why he's here. He's got cut anyway, Well, 1185 01:14:10.039 --> 01:14:14.399 I like Jared Garantano has had quite a few cups of coffee on NFL 1186 01:14:14.479 --> 01:14:17.239 practice squads and training camps, so recently like on again, off again, 1187 01:14:17.279 --> 01:14:20.199 all during like a rookie year, he's on again, off again, So 1188 01:14:21.159 --> 01:14:26.239 clearly there's something. The NFL seasoned him, and you know, the XFL 1189 01:14:26.319 --> 01:14:29.760 had him with their Palmer camps and he was always a Jordan Palmer guy from 1190 01:14:29.800 --> 01:14:33.479 his draft prep onward, So clearly there's things people are seeing in him that 1191 01:14:33.680 --> 01:14:38.239 hasn't played out in his performances on the field in college. And he had 1192 01:14:38.239 --> 01:14:44.079 a few impressive moments in preseason play with the Cardinals, so maybe he can 1193 01:14:44.079 --> 01:14:46.720 put up a fight. But I think what Reed Sennette showed in that one 1194 01:14:46.800 --> 01:14:50.640 game before he got injured, which was tragic, he was by far the 1195 01:14:50.680 --> 01:14:57.199 most offensive engine that they had at quarterback for the Brahmas that whole the whole 1196 01:14:57.239 --> 01:15:01.960 season, and then after that immediately became a struggle until like the very last 1197 01:15:01.960 --> 01:15:05.399 game, they put up all these points against the defenders, and then Barker 1198 01:15:05.520 --> 01:15:09.960 Romo, who was perfect on the year, misses the one kick that would 1199 01:15:10.000 --> 01:15:13.239 have sent that would have put the pressure on the Renegades to actually win that 1200 01:15:13.279 --> 01:15:16.119 game instead of basically play like it didn't matter, and then everyone acts like 1201 01:15:16.159 --> 01:15:19.560 Perez had a bad see them in the Renegades whenever the game didn't even matter 1202 01:15:19.680 --> 01:15:27.680 or whatever. Yeah, right, yeah, I think Guarantano Guardantano is It's 1203 01:15:27.720 --> 01:15:30.920 interesting because, yeah, you mentioned he was kind of at Tennessee. He 1204 01:15:31.039 --> 01:15:38.399 was just a disaster lare so. But to Max's point, the NFL has 1205 01:15:38.439 --> 01:15:44.479 seen some things in him and that that might be one of the more interesting 1206 01:15:44.520 --> 01:15:46.640 quarterback battles. They're, you know, of the eight teams. But yeah, 1207 01:15:47.039 --> 01:15:51.439 maybe Sennett might be the guy, but I'm interested to see what Gardontano, 1208 01:15:51.520 --> 01:15:55.640 if he might have a chance in that. It's funny you just tied 1209 01:15:55.760 --> 01:15:58.159 like this is all coming back because he's like we lived through a whole CFL 1210 01:15:58.239 --> 01:16:00.560 season after I'm like, oh yeah, remember the missfield but you know, 1211 01:16:00.760 --> 01:16:03.199 it all comes back to me like a fever dream here anything else with the 1212 01:16:03.279 --> 01:16:09.600 Roughnecks? Max, Now all right, let's get in here, all right, 1213 01:16:09.920 --> 01:16:12.479 the show Boats. Remember when it was Andy and I on and we 1214 01:16:12.520 --> 01:16:15.560 had was that Bill here, Like you guys are hating on you hate You 1215 01:16:15.600 --> 01:16:18.520 didn't even know how good the showbox are going to be? Right, willis 1216 01:16:18.560 --> 01:16:21.880 here, Cole, Kelly, Troy Williams, Case Cookus captain. Okay, 1217 01:16:21.960 --> 01:16:26.119 you know chef case Hoever, we'll go to John first on this one. 1218 01:16:26.319 --> 01:16:29.119 They got some options here. I think I think the chef's going to be 1219 01:16:29.119 --> 01:16:31.319 cooking down there. I think there's a reason that they wanted to bring him 1220 01:16:31.359 --> 01:16:36.000 in, you know, I think what de Filippo wants was he it was 1221 01:16:36.079 --> 01:16:40.680 like it almost felt like he's trying to put together like a USFL or XFL 1222 01:16:40.760 --> 01:16:45.039 All Star team down there. I just I think if they can find an 1223 01:16:45.079 --> 01:16:47.479 offensive line to give case cook us some time to throw, I think he 1224 01:16:47.479 --> 01:16:53.600 can be a very very very good quarterback. Max go to you, uh 1225 01:16:53.800 --> 01:16:57.640 Crime if I'm wrong, But I think for the backup quarterbacks spot is interesting 1226 01:16:57.640 --> 01:17:00.439 because you have Cole Kelly, who was there last year. I don't know 1227 01:17:00.439 --> 01:17:03.840 why Ryan Willison is here. He was cut on January twenty sixth uh so 1228 01:17:04.239 --> 01:17:08.399 I don't know why he's on there. So again, I just that's truth. 1229 01:17:08.439 --> 01:17:12.479 I don't always here. But case cook is definitely a favorite to start. 1230 01:17:12.520 --> 01:17:15.840 But I'm intriguting a backup race because Cole Kelly, he's got the physical 1231 01:17:16.319 --> 01:17:20.720 specimen talent to him, but the performances just weren't up to par. And 1232 01:17:20.800 --> 01:17:25.199 Williams I'm interested treat by because he was in that he was playing in that 1233 01:17:25.239 --> 01:17:29.279 title game last year for the Mallers from what I remember, so, I 1234 01:17:29.319 --> 01:17:32.239 mean, yeah, you gotta say he has some experience. Maybe you picked 1235 01:17:32.279 --> 01:17:36.399 the guy that's been put in those pressure situations as your backup, and even 1236 01:17:36.399 --> 01:17:40.600 though they're both like relatively young players, so it's not like you're mentoring, 1237 01:17:40.640 --> 01:17:45.079 but you picked the quote unquote experienced guy I guess as your backup. Max. 1238 01:17:45.199 --> 01:17:48.880 Remind me with Kelly was did I know they were like they were kind 1239 01:17:48.920 --> 01:17:53.319 of a five hundred team. Did did he was he replaced or did he 1240 01:17:53.359 --> 01:17:57.720 replace the start? He replaced the starter there? Right? Yeah? Yeah, 1241 01:17:57.760 --> 01:18:00.079 he took over like a couple games into the season, I think, 1242 01:18:00.079 --> 01:18:04.520 from but his performances just weren't that good from what I remember, it was 1243 01:18:05.399 --> 01:18:10.479 you right, are we surprised Case hasn't been able to strike more here? 1244 01:18:10.560 --> 01:18:13.399 Back again? I mean, he kind of feels like he's just kind of 1245 01:18:14.000 --> 01:18:18.159 resigned to this life now. I mean, what do you expect. I 1246 01:18:18.159 --> 01:18:21.600 mean, it's very hard for any quarterback from spring football to stick. I 1247 01:18:21.600 --> 01:18:27.680 mean it's Denucci who's sticking around. It was PJ for a bit and other 1248 01:18:27.760 --> 01:18:30.319 than that, I mean mcaren I guess made it back, but he was 1249 01:18:30.359 --> 01:18:33.279 already there. This was just a he chose. He chose the UFL. 1250 01:18:33.359 --> 01:18:36.279 Max, he said, I don't want to play in the NFL. I'm 1251 01:18:36.319 --> 01:18:41.520 coming back until his season ends. And then he picks up a practice squad. 1252 01:18:41.560 --> 01:18:45.880 Chack. I was told he chose. He's choosing both He's doing he's 1253 01:18:45.920 --> 01:18:48.119 doing it both ways because he knows that he can get picked up halfway into 1254 01:18:48.159 --> 01:18:50.920 an NFL season. He doesn't even really have to be there for camp anymore. 1255 01:18:51.119 --> 01:18:55.560 So he's getting he's getting all the money he can get. Well, 1256 01:18:55.720 --> 01:18:58.520 he's showing his kids what he can do on the field because he's just that 1257 01:18:58.600 --> 01:19:00.880 cool, which is fine by me. Uh anyway, gimme case cookies all 1258 01:19:00.880 --> 01:19:03.760 the way and hopefully he gets in their shot. But it's just an uphill 1259 01:19:03.800 --> 01:19:11.600 battle for anyone that isn't a completely dominant player anything. No, there's nothing. 1260 01:19:11.880 --> 01:19:14.840 Yeah, I'm I'm on the I'm on the chef wagon there. Uh, 1261 01:19:15.000 --> 01:19:17.239 David's cheek here, Max and anyone cut here before you got on this 1262 01:19:17.279 --> 01:19:23.199 list. Uh no, all these guys are still there. Uh. This 1263 01:19:23.319 --> 01:19:28.359 is brutal. Yeah, John, go first, this, I mean, 1264 01:19:28.479 --> 01:19:31.960 this is this is brutal. I think I don't they. I really thought 1265 01:19:32.199 --> 01:19:36.600 that the Panthers were going to find another quarterback. I mean, I don't 1266 01:19:36.640 --> 01:19:41.159 know. There are some people that are on the Danny Etling wagon, and 1267 01:19:41.520 --> 01:19:45.159 I get that, but I just you know, I think Davis Cheek played 1268 01:19:45.680 --> 01:19:49.600 maybe two plays last year, and you know La Wurki, I don't know 1269 01:19:49.640 --> 01:19:55.359 that he played at all. I just this is they don't have a starter 1270 01:19:55.439 --> 01:19:57.760 there. To me, I mean, they someone's got to start. But 1271 01:19:57.960 --> 01:20:00.720 to me, they've got to bring somebody in. I like Davis Cheek. 1272 01:20:00.920 --> 01:20:03.000 And also, we'll let you go. But I just want to make sure. 1273 01:20:03.000 --> 01:20:05.880 I mentioned because there's someone missing and I was checking to make sure e 1274 01:20:06.000 --> 01:20:11.600 J. Perry is missing from this list. Uh, and he's talented enough 1275 01:20:11.600 --> 01:20:13.960 to start. So we'll see you anyway. Read it's your turn you go. 1276 01:20:14.439 --> 01:20:16.760 Oh no, I was just gonna say, yeah, this was rough 1277 01:20:16.840 --> 01:20:20.000 on. This is crazy to me, briand worry. I still still floating 1278 01:20:20.000 --> 01:20:26.119 around here being all this stuff. Yeah, I'm john super not impressed here 1279 01:20:26.159 --> 01:20:28.720 with all of this. But you they had issues last year, right, 1280 01:20:28.720 --> 01:20:31.239 I mean, so what do you do? Who do you see me? 1281 01:20:31.880 --> 01:20:34.920 Yeah? Uh yeah, So, I mean I liked Davis Cheek. When 1282 01:20:34.920 --> 01:20:40.039 I was watching his film from Elon, I was impressed. Uh, there's 1283 01:20:40.079 --> 01:20:45.359 still question marks over you know, how that's going to translate from Elon to 1284 01:20:45.640 --> 01:20:49.199 here, and also how it's going to translate to Mike Nolan's system. Uh, 1285 01:20:49.239 --> 01:20:54.399 and they're the way they run things. But E. J. Perry 1286 01:20:54.439 --> 01:20:58.479 has been so lauded in NFL circles as like a like a sleeper guy whenever 1287 01:20:58.479 --> 01:21:00.720 he was coming out of the draft, and things just didn't work out for 1288 01:21:00.800 --> 01:21:03.760 him in the NFL. So if he can stay healthy and get playing time, 1289 01:21:03.800 --> 01:21:06.479 because for whatever reason, he was on the Panthers last year, but 1290 01:21:06.479 --> 01:21:10.039 he just didn't get played that much. I think he had one start and 1291 01:21:10.079 --> 01:21:14.399 then he I think it was either injuries or something else happened that he wasn't 1292 01:21:14.399 --> 01:21:16.039 able to play. And then he got picked back up on the NFL and 1293 01:21:16.039 --> 01:21:19.439 he got let go again and now he's back here. So I would like 1294 01:21:19.520 --> 01:21:23.319 to see Perry win it because I think he's the most talented player. But 1295 01:21:23.399 --> 01:21:26.720 I think it's really between Perry and Cheek, unless Danny Ettling has some kind 1296 01:21:26.760 --> 01:21:30.079 of weird career resurgence that I don't expect because I don't know Danny Etling's one 1297 01:21:30.119 --> 01:21:32.439 of those guys like, are we sure he should still be sticking around the 1298 01:21:32.520 --> 01:21:36.119 NFL, But he's kind of somehow find a way, So maybe he'll prove 1299 01:21:36.159 --> 01:21:40.960 me wrong and then he will have a big parade for him, you know, 1300 01:21:42.439 --> 01:21:44.560 John, anything else here, we'll get the last TEW teams. We'll 1301 01:21:44.560 --> 01:21:46.720 get out of there. I'll say that if you really right now to me, 1302 01:21:46.760 --> 01:21:49.000 if you want to look at the Panthers offense, you need to scroll 1303 01:21:49.039 --> 01:21:51.720 down a little more and start looking at those running backs, because it seems 1304 01:21:51.720 --> 01:21:55.720 to me like that's the only way that these guys are gonna get any offense 1305 01:21:55.840 --> 01:22:00.600 going. Yeah, okay, this is our team, your team of the 1306 01:22:00.640 --> 01:22:03.000 marquast the Brahmas here can't don't really want to buy any of the merchandise yet, 1307 01:22:03.000 --> 01:22:06.000 but we can talk about the team. I know this list has been 1308 01:22:06.079 --> 01:22:11.159 updated because right, Kurt's gone, Uh, Cone's going, right, CON's 1309 01:22:11.199 --> 01:22:15.399 gone, Jackson, Max, I know you were happy that that Jack Cone. 1310 01:22:15.560 --> 01:22:17.119 You know, we don't like to see anybody get that's also gone. 1311 01:22:17.159 --> 01:22:20.920 By the way, I don't know why he's here. He wasn't he wasn't 1312 01:22:20.920 --> 01:22:25.039 even on both wasn't he on the site for Houston too, so they double 1313 01:22:25.079 --> 01:22:31.640 listed set. Okay, observations. Sinnett gone, he's in Houston, Okay, 1314 01:22:31.720 --> 01:22:34.720 so he's in he'ston okay, so so ignore that. So we got 1315 01:22:34.800 --> 01:22:39.600 Quentin Dormanty and Chase Gerbers. That's my and I think he said Gerbers was 1316 01:22:39.640 --> 01:22:43.720 my guy, right. I think Garber's is the favorite, just based on 1317 01:22:43.840 --> 01:22:47.880 talent. Yeah, Garber's and his brothers college. I'm sorry, Yeah, 1318 01:22:47.960 --> 01:22:50.760 and his brother is playing for u C l A right now, so they're 1319 01:22:50.920 --> 01:22:56.279 kind of like a football family going on over there. But I mean, 1320 01:22:56.439 --> 01:23:00.399 just based on talent, based on the NFL experience, the pet, you 1321 01:23:00.399 --> 01:23:02.920 have to go with Garber's. But Dormandy is not going to go down without 1322 01:23:02.960 --> 01:23:05.840 a fight. You know, he was an established starting quarterback and the XL 1323 01:23:05.880 --> 01:23:10.600 last year and he wasn't terrible, and also he was in a bad situation. 1324 01:23:10.800 --> 01:23:14.159 So maybe he can shine with some better structure, with some better talent, 1325 01:23:14.479 --> 01:23:16.800 with some better decision makers, and maybe he'll prove me wrong and maybe 1326 01:23:16.840 --> 01:23:19.479 he isn't just a doormat. You know, we'll find out. But you 1327 01:23:19.520 --> 01:23:24.279 know, it's it's it's it's it's really between those two. It's two horse 1328 01:23:24.359 --> 01:23:27.039 rates. I'm so disappointed. I was really hoping, you know, and 1329 01:23:27.119 --> 01:23:30.000 Kurt had this big like I'm choosing not to like he had this big I 1330 01:23:30.039 --> 01:23:32.399 really wanted Kurt to be on this team, and then I could, like, 1331 01:23:32.479 --> 01:23:34.800 I could hate my quarterback. I mean, this would have been pure 1332 01:23:34.840 --> 01:23:39.159 drama all season, right, It could have been like a few and then 1333 01:23:39.159 --> 01:23:41.680 I could have like requested to have him come on the podcast, and then 1334 01:23:41.680 --> 01:23:43.680 he could say no, and then it would be, you know, be 1335 01:23:43.720 --> 01:23:45.760 like a Brian Scott thing all over again, except that was a different situation 1336 01:23:45.840 --> 01:23:48.600 because he was you know, we all remember how all that worked out. 1337 01:23:48.640 --> 01:23:50.920 But John, what do you make of this? Because yeah, I was 1338 01:23:50.960 --> 01:23:54.920 more excited with with some of the guys let go, but obviously Dormandy, 1339 01:23:54.960 --> 01:23:58.680 And yeah, I like Dormandy. I don't know that he'll be the starter, 1340 01:23:58.760 --> 01:24:00.880 but yeah, as Max saying, when he when he had the opportunity 1341 01:24:00.920 --> 01:24:04.399 to play, he was just in such a bad situation in Orlando when he 1342 01:24:04.439 --> 01:24:09.760 had the opportunity to play, I thought he was really good, So I 1343 01:24:09.800 --> 01:24:14.199 would like him now Again, I'll defer to Max on on Chase Garber's there, 1344 01:24:14.199 --> 01:24:18.800 because I'm not sure. Yeah, but Max, he texted me when 1345 01:24:18.840 --> 01:24:21.079 Coma's gone. Excuse me, he said, when Coma is gone, he 1346 01:24:21.119 --> 01:24:24.960 said, Garba's is your guy. Okay, I don't know if he's my 1347 01:24:25.079 --> 01:24:28.760 guy as much as he is like my the the guy, real quarterback, 1348 01:24:29.239 --> 01:24:32.439 the guy, he's your quarterback read and he's the guy that it would be 1349 01:24:32.479 --> 01:24:38.479 the expected starter based on pedigree and based on you know, whenever you you 1350 01:24:38.560 --> 01:24:42.119 have coaches talking about how they want to bring in talent at the quarterback position. 1351 01:24:42.199 --> 01:24:45.960 In the Atlanta guy like this, you know, he was fringe, 1352 01:24:45.239 --> 01:24:49.000 fringe, seventh round, undrafted, up being undrafted guy went to training camp. 1353 01:24:49.520 --> 01:24:53.199 You're you're going to expect that guy to be the favorite compared to a 1354 01:24:53.239 --> 01:24:58.520 guy who was very unimpressive in college and did not make any kind of mark 1355 01:24:58.560 --> 01:25:03.000 on the NFL. Quinn dormity. So all right, go ahead, and 1356 01:25:03.000 --> 01:25:05.319 now I'm going to tell you ahead of time actual you're gonna get triggered when 1357 01:25:05.359 --> 01:25:09.000 I switch over to this Patriots and just giving you that. So we got 1358 01:25:09.000 --> 01:25:14.600 the valaax here, Tiano gone, right a J and then Brandon Silver isn't 1359 01:25:14.600 --> 01:25:16.439 here, Manny Wilkins agent, I mean we talked about this off the time 1360 01:25:16.479 --> 01:25:20.399 for a J. Right, yeah, I mean it couldn't be anyone else. 1361 01:25:20.520 --> 01:25:26.319 My only my only curiosity is whether Anthony Becks wants to use Wilkins and 1362 01:25:26.359 --> 01:25:29.680 a Derek King kind of role more frequently now that he's had more time with 1363 01:25:29.720 --> 01:25:31.399 the team, because I think they could mix it up with him. A 1364 01:25:31.399 --> 01:25:35.800 good bit that Tiano cut to me was I mean, I guess it was 1365 01:25:35.880 --> 01:25:40.640 ahead of maybe they knew that that mccerrn was coming back, but I was 1366 01:25:40.720 --> 01:25:44.600 kind of surprised that that he that he got waived. I wasn't because they 1367 01:25:44.640 --> 01:25:46.640 brought on Silvers. I knew they were. We knew they were bringing Silvers, 1368 01:25:46.680 --> 01:25:51.039 and Silvers is a much more experienced in establish quarterback. And Tiano is 1369 01:25:51.039 --> 01:25:54.920 not the kind of guy who's gonna want to be a third stringer who's never 1370 01:25:55.000 --> 01:25:59.920 playing because he's he had his own like decent you know, pre draft CAMPI 1371 01:26:00.159 --> 01:26:03.079 and he he has some talent and some it was impressive. I remember Argo's 1372 01:26:03.159 --> 01:26:06.680 guys were in love with him whenever they brought him up to camp. So 1373 01:26:06.840 --> 01:26:10.479 he doesn't want to sit around on a third stringer, and he doesn't have 1374 01:26:10.520 --> 01:26:14.319 any special ability to be used in certain packages like Manny Wilkins can to be 1375 01:26:14.399 --> 01:26:17.399 sort of a kind of running quarterback, So it just made sense for him 1376 01:26:17.399 --> 01:26:21.359 to go. I hope you've laying on his feet somewhere. Are you surprised 1377 01:26:21.399 --> 01:26:26.039 no one's picked him up? There's still time, you know, DC give 1378 01:26:26.039 --> 01:26:30.479 a ring ring, you know, and then you know in Michigan, right 1379 01:26:30.760 --> 01:26:34.279 yeah, yeah, right, yeah, he should be on a on a 1380 01:26:34.720 --> 01:26:39.760 zoom with Mike Nolan anytime. Yeah. I was gonna say here, all 1381 01:26:39.840 --> 01:26:43.920 right, anything else here, John, BattleHawks? Uh no, you know 1382 01:26:44.000 --> 01:26:46.199 the Max Borghy thing that I think for the BattleHawks. I mean we're talking 1383 01:26:46.239 --> 01:26:49.960 about quarterbacks, I know, but you know they're running game. I mean 1384 01:26:50.000 --> 01:26:56.119 they've got some and they got some questions there, so they might need Aj 1385 01:26:56.239 --> 01:27:00.880 mccerrn to have another twenty six touchdowns or whatever this coming season. Uh, 1386 01:27:00.920 --> 01:27:03.279 well, here we and then finally we have it. We got a superchant, 1387 01:27:03.399 --> 01:27:08.960 very rare superchests here cards Nation cock Haw order Baby appreciate that. Don't 1388 01:27:08.960 --> 01:27:13.279 get a lot of sup I listened to my postgame Cracking podcast and like every 1389 01:27:13.359 --> 01:27:15.760 and they only get you know, they got like five hundred viewers for the 1390 01:27:15.760 --> 01:27:18.039 postcancer. Oh thanks for the superchant, Thanks for the supers. I think 1391 01:27:18.079 --> 01:27:20.600 I'm like, I don't I get like one every four months off. I'm 1392 01:27:20.640 --> 01:27:23.840 lucky. So I mean, I mean, I know a little reason I'm 1393 01:27:23.840 --> 01:27:26.640 on here is because I'm a ninety nine cent a month subscriber. That's the 1394 01:27:26.680 --> 01:27:29.520 only reason I got this invitation. I appreciate it. Yeah, you can 1395 01:27:29.560 --> 01:27:33.199 become a member. Ninety nine cents gets you a membership. You know, 1396 01:27:33.199 --> 01:27:36.000 it makes me feel good. I just when I look at my little analytics 1397 01:27:36.000 --> 01:27:40.199 and I see my little pitoful rad Ad revenue, I'm like, oh, 1398 01:27:40.439 --> 01:27:43.720 I got you know, got got a third of ninety nine cents here for 1399 01:27:43.920 --> 01:27:48.159 John Liz from bult my Way onto the podcast. That's five dollars and thirty 1400 01:27:48.199 --> 01:27:51.159 three cents to you. I like that joke. That's funny. Max. 1401 01:27:51.199 --> 01:27:57.880 Anything else here I know other than gotta love the ninety nine cent Army read, 1402 01:27:57.920 --> 01:28:02.079 you gotta love it. Uh. And you know, despite all the 1403 01:28:02.079 --> 01:28:05.399 frustration and the irritation, I'm just glad we have a season this year. 1404 01:28:05.640 --> 01:28:10.319 You know. It really felt for a long time like anything was possible and 1405 01:28:10.359 --> 01:28:14.239 like we could always still lose it at the top of a button. So 1406 01:28:15.159 --> 01:28:21.479 hopefully the ownership realizes their mistakes and appreciates the potential this this lead these leagues, 1407 01:28:21.560 --> 01:28:28.079 these players have and truly make something great and commits to it. My 1408 01:28:28.279 --> 01:28:31.119 experience in the past tells me they are not so committed. I want to 1409 01:28:31.119 --> 01:28:34.319 be proven wrong. Hey, you were, you were there, you were 1410 01:28:34.359 --> 01:28:38.319 almost to a positive comment there, Max, and then you let it trail 1411 01:28:38.359 --> 01:28:42.640 out at the end. I gotta keep it real. It's I have hope, 1412 01:28:43.039 --> 01:28:45.760 but reality says I should not. Well, I will say, and 1413 01:28:45.880 --> 01:28:48.680 I'll toss to Johnny. I will say this. And it's interesting to me 1414 01:28:48.840 --> 01:28:55.960 that I I was always the big USFL hater or I was what was I? 1415 01:28:55.960 --> 01:28:58.520 I was the XFL hater when I said that they weren't they were going 1416 01:28:58.560 --> 01:29:00.720 to get delayed, and then they got delayed, and then I was the 1417 01:29:00.720 --> 01:29:04.000 big USFL hater from all the us other people. But now that they're all 1418 01:29:04.319 --> 01:29:08.119 right, we're all like, hey, we're all you know UFL. Now 1419 01:29:09.560 --> 01:29:13.199 now like I'm the big everything you know, I'm always right Like now I'm 1420 01:29:13.199 --> 01:29:15.720 the big UFL hater. And they're read so negative about the merchandise and need 1421 01:29:15.800 --> 01:29:19.039 so negative about this, and I'm like, again, I just I want 1422 01:29:19.079 --> 01:29:21.760 this to work with Russ here, super sick. Now we got I got 1423 01:29:21.800 --> 01:29:25.680 three here, man, oh, Yeah, here we go rolling. I 1424 01:29:25.720 --> 01:29:29.319 am rolling. I'm gonna go. I can buy the Snickers part at the 1425 01:29:29.319 --> 01:29:33.159 store. But like that's I've I've seen all of these from a fan or 1426 01:29:33.199 --> 01:29:35.640 on the podcast. Like I've seen I've lived through all of this. I 1427 01:29:35.720 --> 01:29:40.079 was like nothing, nothing but me wants this to work. But when I 1428 01:29:40.119 --> 01:29:43.199 see things that are again with Max and I've talked about this for years, 1429 01:29:43.199 --> 01:29:46.680 like unforced errors, right, Like there's so many things that go against like 1430 01:29:46.800 --> 01:29:49.800 all of this, and it's the biggest about so like the unforced airs of 1431 01:29:49.920 --> 01:29:54.399 like having the UFL T shirt on the shop of the day of the inside 1432 01:29:54.439 --> 01:29:57.319 I launched. Just like there's just stuff like that. That's what I'm nitpicky 1433 01:29:57.359 --> 01:30:00.279 about because I leave the football and all that stuff to all the genius you 1434 01:30:00.319 --> 01:30:02.399 know, you guys and Pats and everybody, Andy and everyone else that comes 1435 01:30:02.399 --> 01:30:05.520 on it from from just the fan perspective. That's where I can talk about 1436 01:30:05.600 --> 01:30:12.439 here. And we'll go to John now. But our ship, my father 1437 01:30:12.560 --> 01:30:15.000 in law, my when my ship comes in. Our ship has come in 1438 01:30:15.119 --> 01:30:18.000 here. I think we've ever had it. We're going to another a couple 1439 01:30:18.039 --> 01:30:23.239 hours, aren't we. But John, anything else here, We'll round it 1440 01:30:23.279 --> 01:30:25.760 out and then I'll get my found on Praie, we'll get up. Yeah. 1441 01:30:25.880 --> 01:30:28.720 Read, I think you make a good point. There's a reason if 1442 01:30:28.760 --> 01:30:33.760 we didn't care checking in Sorry, all right, checking in here, let's 1443 01:30:33.760 --> 01:30:39.800 go. But you know, if we didn't care, then that's then you 1444 01:30:39.840 --> 01:30:43.640 know that that's where that's where when you start to get apathy from people who 1445 01:30:43.680 --> 01:30:45.880 want this to work, that's when it won't work. That's when it dies 1446 01:30:45.920 --> 01:30:48.920 off. So yeah, okay, we're going to complain about Yeah we wanted 1447 01:30:49.000 --> 01:30:53.119 uh some more T shirts. Yeah, we want some more merchandise. It's 1448 01:30:53.159 --> 01:30:56.720 because we want these things to work, and we're kind of, you know, 1449 01:30:57.960 --> 01:31:00.479 monetarily invested, but we're also emotion invested. We want these things to 1450 01:31:00.520 --> 01:31:03.359 work. We want to see these players move on, and we want a 1451 01:31:03.359 --> 01:31:08.000 little something for ourselves here. We like it's it's great Spring entertainment. So 1452 01:31:08.159 --> 01:31:11.079 yeah, uh yeah, I'm and Chris is telling you there. I mean, 1453 01:31:11.119 --> 01:31:13.760 I know you hate these Spring leagues. It's why you talk about it 1454 01:31:13.840 --> 01:31:16.880 all the time. But uh but no, I mean I'm more optimistic. 1455 01:31:16.960 --> 01:31:20.520 I think though, kind of circling back to what we talked about to start 1456 01:31:20.560 --> 01:31:27.039 off, I'm more optimistic with this because of the financial backing that it has, 1457 01:31:27.439 --> 01:31:30.159 because of the outlets it will be on with Fox, ABC, ESPN, 1458 01:31:31.399 --> 01:31:35.239 but also saying that I know that if this does not work this year, 1459 01:31:36.039 --> 01:31:41.159 I don't know when we're going to see spring football on a level like 1460 01:31:41.239 --> 01:31:45.960 this or on a scale like this again anytime soon. Yeah, I agree 1461 01:31:45.000 --> 01:31:49.600 with that, and I think I don't know. I I this is this 1462 01:31:49.680 --> 01:31:54.479 is the best chance because I'm hoping that like anything that they like, if 1463 01:31:54.479 --> 01:31:57.720 you've learned anything at least the last three years, like at least maybe of 1464 01:31:57.760 --> 01:32:00.279 it. But again, you know, we still see some of this kind 1465 01:32:00.279 --> 01:32:02.159 of coming and going to out of the maxiny any final thoughts on here, 1466 01:32:02.760 --> 01:32:05.760 I want to add it with but we're all we're all up to here with 1467 01:32:05.840 --> 01:32:10.960 the BS right now about how these leagues are being run. And also, 1468 01:32:11.119 --> 01:32:14.760 by the way, speaking of BS, no uniforms either, Well, they're 1469 01:32:14.760 --> 01:32:17.479 gonna come out next week, I mean because they're going they're going to training 1470 01:32:17.520 --> 01:32:20.319 camp, so they're gonna be next week. I will be on the cruise 1471 01:32:20.359 --> 01:32:24.680 to the Cobos. Hopefully they're out next week. I mean they just cause 1472 01:32:25.039 --> 01:32:27.600 they they should be on next week doesn't mean they will be for sale. 1473 01:32:27.720 --> 01:32:30.680 It will they be only a registered for an email list, and then you 1474 01:32:30.680 --> 01:32:32.039 have to wait till the start of the season to actually pay to order one 1475 01:32:32.279 --> 01:32:36.520 who knows anything's possible. But doesn't it make sense for them to roll out 1476 01:32:36.560 --> 01:32:40.800 those uniforms right before training camp because say, hey, look here's what these 1477 01:32:40.840 --> 01:32:44.279 teams are going to wear. By the way, training camp starts this weekend. 1478 01:32:44.439 --> 01:32:47.000 Yeah, yeah, they'll be any it'd be great if they operate a 1479 01:32:47.000 --> 01:32:51.600 based on what makes sense. Too much sense, right, Let me just 1480 01:32:51.640 --> 01:32:54.840 say this, Well, you know, we'll see it like we're paying. 1481 01:32:54.880 --> 01:32:58.880 We're a premium we're paying for the premium cruise experience. I'm alloted like four 1482 01:32:58.960 --> 01:33:01.319 Wi Fi devices. We'll see if there's even there it comes out of there. 1483 01:33:01.560 --> 01:33:03.359 But I haven't feeling that it's going to be kind of the same. 1484 01:33:03.399 --> 01:33:06.439 Whatever. John, I hope you're seated down here because you're really gonna lose 1485 01:33:06.439 --> 01:33:14.079 your mind here he sat down here, Chris ten dollars ten chat whether we're 1486 01:33:14.119 --> 01:33:16.600 doing that's my age here, that's crazy. Keep out the guberger get hear 1487 01:33:16.720 --> 01:33:19.520 you? John? And Max Anti the president, Hey, we're not that's 1488 01:33:19.640 --> 01:33:25.960 we don't need to make fundamental health but I do appreciate the super chat that 1489 01:33:26.079 --> 01:33:30.520 was worth ten bucks. Come on, this might make more money than our 1490 01:33:30.600 --> 01:33:32.520 Now, John, I was gonna say, because I know that John, 1491 01:33:32.840 --> 01:33:36.560 John, I hold the record with John for the most view video on your 1492 01:33:36.600 --> 01:33:40.479 channel. I don't know if any of them. I think our Gray Cup 1493 01:33:40.600 --> 01:33:43.880 Show finally beat all of that with the sixty seven thousand. But I think 1494 01:33:43.880 --> 01:33:45.880 you have a good You have a good long run there for a while with 1495 01:33:45.960 --> 01:33:49.159 the King, we end up with about twenty fousand. I thought it was 1496 01:33:49.199 --> 01:33:51.680 good. It was good. It was good all right. So, like 1497 01:33:51.720 --> 01:33:55.359 I said, Rownding now here, appreciate the super chats, Appreciate everyone like 1498 01:33:55.439 --> 01:33:59.439 and subscribe. We'll do training camp stuff when I get back. We'll figure 1499 01:33:59.479 --> 01:34:00.600 out you know, you know, forms out of though. But otherwise and 1500 01:34:00.720 --> 01:34:03.279 this is a good round out. We got everything that we did here three 1501 01:34:03.359 --> 01:34:06.880 thirty on the Friday. So appreciate John. Go check out his channel at 1502 01:34:06.960 --> 01:34:12.279 John Lewis Sports. John does a lot of great shorter content. Right. 1503 01:34:12.359 --> 01:34:15.279 The more that we just ramble on here for like eight hours, John is 1504 01:34:15.279 --> 01:34:17.319 a lot more like targeted, like let's talk the quarterbacks, let's talk this, 1505 01:34:17.399 --> 01:34:20.399 let's talk the team legacies, and kind of all that stuff, Max, 1506 01:34:20.439 --> 01:34:26.319 anything else from you, No, I've already said my piece on everything. 1507 01:34:26.359 --> 01:34:29.560 I'll save one opinion for you whenever we get off, because I want 1508 01:34:29.560 --> 01:34:32.000 to finish the point. But everybody else knows it already. H And you 1509 01:34:32.039 --> 01:34:35.000 know, I'm just so glad we're here, you know, despite it all, 1510 01:34:35.039 --> 01:34:40.880 despite you know, if feeling kind of gloomy because of everything that's already 1511 01:34:40.880 --> 01:34:44.600 happened up to this point, there's always a chance to turn around. There's 1512 01:34:44.640 --> 01:34:48.800 always a choice, and if they just make the decision to commit, anything's 1513 01:34:48.840 --> 01:34:53.119 possible. John, anything else, I didn't want to make sure you got 1514 01:34:53.159 --> 01:34:56.119 anything was no, that was it. I appreciate. I appreciate being on 1515 01:34:56.159 --> 01:34:58.960 it and being able to talk to you. I've listened to YouTube talk a 1516 01:34:58.960 --> 01:35:00.560 lot, and I was glad to be part of the conversation. That was 1517 01:35:00.600 --> 01:35:03.119 a lot of fun. Well, this's for thanks to everyone. Have a 1518 01:35:03.119 --> 01:35:06.279 safe weekend, get ready to training camp and all that stuff. We'll see soon.