WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.360 --> 00:00:03.439 We have dressed in our best and are prepared to go down as gentleman, 2 00:00:03.560 --> 00:00:07.679 as mister Coogan and I have said, as a Titanic foundered. Ask not 3 00:00:08.960 --> 00:00:13.560 what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your 4 00:00:13.640 --> 00:00:21.160 country. Mister Gorbachev, tear down this wall. It's the Ricaget Podcast with 5 00:00:21.199 --> 00:00:24.600 Peter Robinson and Stephen Hereward sitting in for rob Long. I'm James Blotle likes, 6 00:00:24.600 --> 00:00:28.760 and today we doctor Daniel P. Goldman about China and Anaka Rostein recording 7 00:00:28.800 --> 00:00:32.920 to us live in Jerusalem. So let's reverselves the podcast. War is already 8 00:00:32.920 --> 00:00:36.439 hell. It should not be made worse by misreporting. But I fear that 9 00:00:36.520 --> 00:00:41.039 on Tuesday the media made a bad situation worse. They actually did harm as 10 00:00:41.039 --> 00:00:44.520 opposed to trying to do the opposite. AMST is not divert or steal this 11 00:00:44.679 --> 00:00:49.359 shipment. These shipments, We're going to provide an opening for sustained delivery of 12 00:00:49.439 --> 00:00:55.719 life saving humanitarian assistants for the palest names. I say no US tax dollars 13 00:00:56.200 --> 00:01:00.759 to the Gaza strip. Welcome everybody. It's the Ricachet Podcast for six hundred 14 00:01:00.759 --> 00:01:03.719 and sixty three. Why don't you join us at ricoghet dot com and you 15 00:01:03.799 --> 00:01:06.879 too can be part of the most stimulating conversations in community on the web. 16 00:01:06.879 --> 00:01:10.040 And speaking of stimulating, here's Peter Robinson full of vim and vigor, and 17 00:01:10.040 --> 00:01:12.840 Steveyward standing sitting in for rob Long, gentlemen, how are you today? 18 00:01:14.760 --> 00:01:18.319 I'm very well. I'm curious, Steve, where are you? I'm actually 19 00:01:18.359 --> 00:01:22.280 in Munich, Germany, because Peter, unlike you, when I go overseas, 20 00:01:22.280 --> 00:01:25.280 I can still function, whereas you can barely function even when you're home. 21 00:01:25.920 --> 00:01:29.760 Personally true, I confess it, I confess it. Munich. What 22 00:01:29.799 --> 00:01:33.040 are you doing in Munich? Well, I'm on a few days of vacation. 23 00:01:33.239 --> 00:01:37.560 I spent a month in Budapest with John O'Sullivan AND's Mary Prankster's at the 24 00:01:37.599 --> 00:01:41.239 Danub Institute. And then I'm spending with my spouse as you did over the 25 00:01:41.239 --> 00:01:44.560 summer, a little bit of holiday in Austria, and now ending in Munich. 26 00:01:45.120 --> 00:01:48.760 Spring time. Well at a time to be there. I know we've 27 00:01:48.760 --> 00:01:52.760 seen the footage of the riots of the I think there was something I saw 28 00:01:53.400 --> 00:01:59.400 in Berlin that was quite zesty. I saw some Dutch policemen who, using 29 00:01:59.480 --> 00:02:02.519 only dix did a rather efficient job of moving people out of the airport where 30 00:02:02.519 --> 00:02:07.200 they were protesting, which is against the law. We haven't seen this sort 31 00:02:07.200 --> 00:02:12.400 of anti submitting, i'm sorry, anti Zionist protests in Europe and sometime half 32 00:02:12.479 --> 00:02:16.159 we no if I can Sarah quick story. I took the train this morning 33 00:02:16.199 --> 00:02:21.759 from Saltzburg to Munich, and the train stopped at the German border, whereupon 34 00:02:21.800 --> 00:02:27.360 they're entered a very large police force, must have been eight or ten officers 35 00:02:27.800 --> 00:02:30.199 asked for passports, and so I look at mine and my wife's, and 36 00:02:30.240 --> 00:02:36.639 then they looked at two pairs of Arab passengers in the same train car that 37 00:02:36.680 --> 00:02:39.639 we were in, and they looked them over very hard, asking them where 38 00:02:39.639 --> 00:02:44.159 they were coming from, where they were going, how long they were staying, 39 00:02:44.360 --> 00:02:46.159 who they were staying with. Looks to me like they are on it, 40 00:02:46.319 --> 00:02:51.840 trying to stop a flood of any further agitators into German cities, and 41 00:02:51.840 --> 00:02:54.439 I thought I've seen that before. Now we're at the curious point where we 42 00:02:54.479 --> 00:03:00.879 are applauding the notion of German officers, saying your papers police, right, 43 00:03:00.280 --> 00:03:04.280 Yeah, it was unusual. I've never had that experience on a European train 44 00:03:04.319 --> 00:03:07.759 before. Peter, you've been probably front rowe to some of the academic disputes 45 00:03:07.800 --> 00:03:09.520 that I've had. We'll get back to Steven in just a second here, 46 00:03:09.520 --> 00:03:15.159 but I want to bring you in academia seems to be showing itself in many 47 00:03:15.199 --> 00:03:20.400 ways. All of these people who are signing letters and tweeting ill advised things 48 00:03:20.439 --> 00:03:24.560 and actually in some cases outside of academia, suffering consequences for it. Are 49 00:03:24.560 --> 00:03:30.680 we seeing a revelation of what some believed to be a deep institutional rot in 50 00:03:30.719 --> 00:03:36.759 our educational system? And do you think that it will change anything in the 51 00:03:36.840 --> 00:03:39.639 second week? This is my observation here at Stanford. It's a different kind 52 00:03:39.639 --> 00:03:45.159 of rot. The first week there were all kinds of anti Israel, pro 53 00:03:45.199 --> 00:03:49.759 Palestine protests, although, as I mentioned last weekend, Kandy Rice never had 54 00:03:49.759 --> 00:03:53.360 a finer moment. In the middle of these protests. Kandy went to White 55 00:03:53.360 --> 00:03:55.240 Plaza, which is where the students hold their protests, and she climbed a 56 00:03:55.240 --> 00:04:01.400 set of stairs and he gave a marvelous little beach in favor of Israel and 57 00:04:01.479 --> 00:04:05.479 against brutality and just change the temper on the campus. In any event, 58 00:04:05.719 --> 00:04:11.360 That was week one. Here we are in week two and there's still anti 59 00:04:11.479 --> 00:04:15.759 Israel chalk marks here, there and everywhere. But the protests have died down, 60 00:04:15.800 --> 00:04:19.920 and would you like to know why, Because these kids need grades, 61 00:04:20.639 --> 00:04:26.120 these kids need jobs. The kids have gone back to the classroom, and 62 00:04:26.199 --> 00:04:30.800 like Stanford students, they are extremely industrious and very serious about justifying the money 63 00:04:30.839 --> 00:04:36.759 their parents are spending while they're here at Stanford. So first things first when 64 00:04:36.759 --> 00:04:43.639 it comes to students at fancy institutions, and the first things first, I'm 65 00:04:43.680 --> 00:04:48.879 not entirely thrilled with this, the careerism, but that's for first things first 66 00:04:48.959 --> 00:04:54.800 is getting good grades so you can get a good job in the tech culture 67 00:04:54.800 --> 00:04:59.920 that surrounds this campus. The one disconcerting note, actually I shouldn't say it 68 00:05:00.120 --> 00:05:04.120 disconcerting. In a way, it's reassuring. But it's reassuring that the university 69 00:05:04.399 --> 00:05:08.319 is taking care of this. But at the Hillel House, there has been, 70 00:05:08.839 --> 00:05:13.160 ever since the invasion, a permanent Stanford police presence. They've got a 71 00:05:13.199 --> 00:05:17.639 car parked very conspicuously, police cars parked very conspicuously in front of the Hillel 72 00:05:17.639 --> 00:05:23.360 House, and an officer there. Every time I've walked past, there's been 73 00:05:23.360 --> 00:05:29.759 an officer standing just letting his presence be seen. Everything's quiet, cheerful. 74 00:05:29.759 --> 00:05:31.399 Students going in and out of Hillel House. They stopped and chatted with an 75 00:05:31.439 --> 00:05:36.639 officer, perfectly relaxed. Everything calm, but the police are there. Well, 76 00:05:36.680 --> 00:05:41.279 you mentioned Peter students going back to the classroom, except last Friday. 77 00:05:41.279 --> 00:05:46.759 Maybe you missed this. Stanford Law School last Friday moved all their classes onto 78 00:05:46.839 --> 00:05:50.160 zoom because they thought it was not safe to hold classes in person because of 79 00:05:50.160 --> 00:05:54.199 the whole atmosphere, a Stanford law which I think probably traces back to shouting 80 00:05:54.199 --> 00:05:57.959 down that federal judge a few months ago. Well, I was right on 81 00:05:57.959 --> 00:06:00.439 this campus and you were in Germany. You saw it. I missed it. 82 00:06:00.480 --> 00:06:02.639 I confess I did miss that right. Well, there was also the 83 00:06:02.879 --> 00:06:06.279 I'm sure you must have heard the story of the U I guess it electur 84 00:06:06.439 --> 00:06:13.120 or teaching assistant who the Jewish students right, exhilarated. He was exhilarated by 85 00:06:13.160 --> 00:06:18.079 the by the carnage. Oh that was the Cornell professor Jenial that this was 86 00:06:18.120 --> 00:06:20.680 a person. And by the way, he's a product of the Berkeley Black 87 00:06:20.720 --> 00:06:24.839 Studies Department. So you know, John, you and I are part owners 88 00:06:24.839 --> 00:06:28.000 of this debacle in a certain way. He's the one who called out the 89 00:06:28.079 --> 00:06:30.560 Jewish students in class, told him to stand in the corner of the room, 90 00:06:31.000 --> 00:06:34.040 stand closer in the corner and saying, this is what you were doing 91 00:06:34.040 --> 00:06:39.279 to the Palestinians and gods in the West Bank. Uh, anyone ought to 92 00:06:39.279 --> 00:06:42.639 say worse things from there. Now he's been suspended. How does a person 93 00:06:42.680 --> 00:06:46.079 like this get fired? Or the person that you see Davis also a transgender 94 00:06:47.000 --> 00:06:55.600 some kind of gender studies person who threatened on Twitter zionists favoring reporters saying we 95 00:06:55.639 --> 00:06:57.879 know where you live, we know your children go to school. You should 96 00:06:57.879 --> 00:07:00.839 fear us more than you fear you know if something rather and that person's been 97 00:07:00.879 --> 00:07:05.800 suspended too, I believe. But suspended suspense the usual phrase is suspended depending 98 00:07:05.800 --> 00:07:12.439 an investigation. Instigation unbelievable. What's to investigate? Don't forget that the message 99 00:07:12.480 --> 00:07:15.360 that you the last one you referenced, had Twitter emojis of a knife and 100 00:07:15.439 --> 00:07:19.959 drop some blood. So this could reasonably, you know. Here and here 101 00:07:20.000 --> 00:07:23.360 we get inevitably to the point where somebody says, well, I thought you 102 00:07:23.399 --> 00:07:27.160 guys on the right war against cancel culture. I think we when it all 103 00:07:27.199 --> 00:07:32.240 boils down to what we're against is people being losing their job because they misgendered 104 00:07:32.240 --> 00:07:38.879 somebody, or told an off color joke, or were accused of of of 105 00:07:39.480 --> 00:07:43.120 clumsy behavior on a date seven years ago, things like that, which which 106 00:07:43.199 --> 00:07:46.079 seem to be offenses that we can work through without people losing their livelihood. 107 00:07:46.120 --> 00:07:49.399 What we're talking here is a line, another side of a line which is 108 00:07:49.480 --> 00:07:57.040 praising barbarism and justifying barbarism. And that when you start to talk about when 109 00:07:57.040 --> 00:08:00.079 you're a doctor or your teacher, or you're a dentist or something like that, 110 00:08:00.160 --> 00:08:01.839 and he started vilifying an entire group of people and tell and saying that 111 00:08:01.920 --> 00:08:07.040 Hitler didn't go far enough. I don't think that's cancel culture. I think 112 00:08:07.040 --> 00:08:09.839 that's what the left always said. It's it's the consequences of your actions. 113 00:08:09.920 --> 00:08:13.519 And in this case, we see that the speech that we were previously told 114 00:08:13.639 --> 00:08:16.959 was violence, such as you know, a Yale professor telling a student to 115 00:08:18.560 --> 00:08:22.000 not really get their undies in a bundle when it came to cultural appropriation of 116 00:08:22.000 --> 00:08:26.639 Halloween costumes. That was violence. But but we know where you live, 117 00:08:26.680 --> 00:08:31.079 and you know where your kids go to school. Stabby stabbing blood blood that 118 00:08:31.160 --> 00:08:35.320 actually smears more into the violence category. I think than telling somebody on campus 119 00:08:35.360 --> 00:08:41.360 to grow up. Yeah. Amen, Well, there we have it. 120 00:08:41.440 --> 00:08:45.159 We've settled everything. We're all in the Peter somehow turned his microphone off. 121 00:08:45.200 --> 00:08:48.320 I see his lips moving, but no sound is coming out. Well, 122 00:08:48.360 --> 00:08:52.799 I'll just add well Peter is having his usual technical difficulties. Hold on, 123 00:08:52.840 --> 00:08:56.840 hold on, I can't go. I thought, I just thought Ben Sas 124 00:08:56.919 --> 00:09:00.840 got the right for him. Leave it to Ben's to get the right formulation 125 00:09:01.320 --> 00:09:05.200 that as president of the University of He's put out a statement saying that the 126 00:09:05.240 --> 00:09:09.320 Constitution, so he's admitting that the First Amendment extends to the University of Florida. 127 00:09:09.360 --> 00:09:16.679 The Constitution protects the right of everyone to make an abject idiot of himself. 128 00:09:16.679 --> 00:09:20.039 That was the phrase, abject idiot. But then in the next paragraph 129 00:09:20.080 --> 00:09:24.720 he went on to say, however, violence is completely unacceptable, and we 130 00:09:24.759 --> 00:09:26.840 will and the campus police here at the University of Florida will be watching. 131 00:09:28.159 --> 00:09:31.919 That struck me as just right, say what you want, no matter how 132 00:09:31.039 --> 00:09:37.600 stupid, brutal, misguided. But the moment there's any hint of violence, 133 00:09:37.799 --> 00:09:41.360 it stops. Okay, So here's the follow on to that story. The 134 00:09:41.480 --> 00:09:45.120 University of Florida faculty has now said whoa whoa, whoa, wha whah whah 135 00:09:45.159 --> 00:09:48.799 whall wait a moment, that was a that statement was too strongly worded. 136 00:09:48.840 --> 00:09:52.799 That statement in favor of free speech actually discourages free speech. Unbelievable. It 137 00:09:52.879 --> 00:09:56.320 is just unbelievable. Yeah, all right, that's all. 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David, welcome, we've been 164 00:11:48.279 --> 00:11:50.879 talking about the Middle East and the American reaction to it. But of course 165 00:11:50.919 --> 00:11:54.679 it's big world, and China is a player in it. As we're discussing 166 00:11:54.840 --> 00:11:58.480 how Putin is looking at this, how other countries. China certainly has got 167 00:11:58.519 --> 00:12:01.600 something to get get out of this, and some people are worried the China 168 00:12:01.639 --> 00:12:07.080 will be meddlesome because they want to stretch American capabilities beyond what we can do, 169 00:12:07.200 --> 00:12:09.600 so that they can stroll in or assimilate, or take or just do 170 00:12:09.679 --> 00:12:13.559 what they want to do with Taiwan or elsewhere. In a recent column in 171 00:12:13.600 --> 00:12:18.720 The Asia Times underspenter, you had some doubts about this, So walk us 172 00:12:18.720 --> 00:12:22.120 through what you think in China's position is going forward in this new conflict, 173 00:12:22.639 --> 00:12:30.360 China is being opportunistic and trying to damage American interest because it's convinced that the 174 00:12:30.440 --> 00:12:35.879 United States wants to do substantial damage to the Chinese economy and hold back China's 175 00:12:35.919 --> 00:12:43.720 development. This occurred last week. Of course, the Commerce Department propagated a 176 00:12:43.720 --> 00:12:50.919 new set of rules against chip technology sales to China. To give an idea 177 00:12:50.919 --> 00:12:56.879 of the extent of this, in Nvidia book, five billion dollars worth of 178 00:12:56.240 --> 00:13:03.720 orders for artificial intelligence chips to Chinese buyers, and that's only directly. There 179 00:13:03.720 --> 00:13:07.720 are many shipments through third parties which are not included in that. So China 180 00:13:07.840 --> 00:13:15.519 has just been denied what five billion dollars worth of chips, and they're furious 181 00:13:15.559 --> 00:13:18.360 about it. So the United States and China have been at dagger's drawn over 182 00:13:18.399 --> 00:13:22.840 a number of issues. I think Taiwan is not going to come into place 183 00:13:22.879 --> 00:13:28.440 soon for a number of reasons that we can discuss. But absolutely China is 184 00:13:28.559 --> 00:13:35.240 using the discomfiture of the United States and the surge of anti Israeli sentiment in 185 00:13:35.279 --> 00:13:39.200 the Muslim world, in the globe and parts of the Global South to win 186 00:13:39.279 --> 00:13:43.919 points against the United States. And since Israel is an American ally, Israel 187 00:13:43.039 --> 00:13:46.440 is in the middle and getting beaten up by China, which is something Israel 188 00:13:46.519 --> 00:13:54.639 never wanted. That Yahoo very publicly try to pursue a somewhat independent policy towards 189 00:13:54.759 --> 00:13:58.080 China. At the end of last June, for example, he announced a 190 00:13:58.200 --> 00:14:03.639 trip to China. Israel has had an all this investment and a great deal 191 00:14:03.679 --> 00:14:07.559 of trade with China and wanted to keep that up. So this is not 192 00:14:07.720 --> 00:14:15.720 and is really an initiative by any means it's the Chinese deciding to make trouble 193 00:14:15.799 --> 00:14:20.159 for the United States by going after its an ally, and that's most unfortunate 194 00:14:20.759 --> 00:14:26.440 for Israel. David, Could I'm trying to get in before your co conspirators, 195 00:14:26.440 --> 00:14:30.200 Steve Hayward gets in. The two of you know each other too well. 196 00:14:30.799 --> 00:14:33.840 I'm suspicious of what might happen if you start talking. Could I just 197 00:14:33.919 --> 00:14:39.159 ask the threshold question a threshold question, at least as I try to grapp 198 00:14:39.200 --> 00:14:46.120 with all of this. China has done very very well in the last thirty 199 00:14:46.200 --> 00:14:54.120 or forty years in the world system that the United States and its allies constructed. 200 00:14:54.919 --> 00:15:00.720 They have lifted hundreds of millions of people out of real poverty. They've 201 00:15:00.759 --> 00:15:05.519 achieved a middle class of what one hundred and fifty million I've read varying estimates. 202 00:15:07.080 --> 00:15:11.840 There are now Chinese billionaires. They have a real tech industry, they 203 00:15:11.919 --> 00:15:18.000 lead the world in manufacturing. And all of this has happened within the international 204 00:15:18.039 --> 00:15:26.000 system that we built. Why does Yuxinping want to take it down? What? 205 00:15:26.279 --> 00:15:31.360 Truly? What does he think he's doing? The Chinese view is that 206 00:15:31.600 --> 00:15:35.519 the United States changed the rules of the rules based in international order, and 207 00:15:35.559 --> 00:15:43.879 those rules included free exchange in technology, particularly semiconductors. Remember, China is 208 00:15:43.919 --> 00:15:50.559 the world's largest market for semiconductors. It imported several years ago nearly four hundred 209 00:15:50.639 --> 00:16:00.879 billion dollars worth of semiconductors, and the United States in twenty twenty determined that 210 00:16:00.039 --> 00:16:06.240 it did not want China to reach past a certain point in development and cut 211 00:16:06.279 --> 00:16:12.120 off the availability of high end shifts, first Huawei and then in October twenty 212 00:16:12.200 --> 00:16:21.600 twenty, reinforced by last week's measures to all of China on the grounds that 213 00:16:21.720 --> 00:16:26.039 China might leap ahead of the United States and artificial intelligence with economic and military 214 00:16:26.039 --> 00:16:33.320 applications. So the United States wanted to hold China back, and China's response 215 00:16:33.360 --> 00:16:40.720 to that is that the United States is trying to ruin our economy. Now 216 00:16:41.120 --> 00:16:45.759 there are knutballs on both sides who are pushing us into a confrontation. There 217 00:16:45.879 --> 00:16:52.879 is a minority of American politicians who want to push for Taiwanese independents, such 218 00:16:52.919 --> 00:16:57.879 as a small group of Republican congressmen who promoted that the Chinese will go to 219 00:16:57.960 --> 00:17:04.799 war over the issue of Taiwanese sovereignty. That's tripwire. The vast majority of 220 00:17:04.839 --> 00:17:11.839 the American foreign policy establishment as well as Donald Trump, are against dancing too 221 00:17:11.920 --> 00:17:17.839 close to that third rail. And they're also knuckballs in China who think that 222 00:17:18.680 --> 00:17:23.559 imperialism has to be destroyed. Those are minorities, but the American consensus has 223 00:17:23.680 --> 00:17:30.319 pushed China into an oppositional position where the Chinese view, to summarize, is 224 00:17:30.480 --> 00:17:34.559 that we had a rules based international order and the United States unilaterally changed. 225 00:17:34.799 --> 00:17:38.759 Well, Kenna, isn't it obvious that the Chinese were cheating and violating that 226 00:17:38.880 --> 00:17:48.400 rules based national order every single day? The massive illegal transfers of intellectual property. 227 00:17:48.839 --> 00:17:52.799 I mean, my question would be, if I may rephrase my question, 228 00:17:53.359 --> 00:17:59.720 since the international order treats them so well, why do they violate it? 229 00:18:00.119 --> 00:18:03.000 Your mind? Quite? I mean, any fair reading of the circumstances 230 00:18:03.039 --> 00:18:07.440 has to say that what the Biden administration has done and cutting off certain kinds 231 00:18:07.440 --> 00:18:14.599 of chips is retaliatory and late at the retaliation. Isn't that right? Or 232 00:18:14.599 --> 00:18:17.319 do you want to argue that we're making a terrible mistake the way we did 233 00:18:17.319 --> 00:18:19.759 when we the way some argue we did when we cut off oil to Japan, 234 00:18:21.400 --> 00:18:26.279 we're forcing them into a box. Well, what we're forcing them into 235 00:18:26.680 --> 00:18:32.119 is a massive national effort to duplicate all the technology of these to buy from 236 00:18:32.200 --> 00:18:37.359 US, which could lead to a glut of semiconductors and a situation in which 237 00:18:37.480 --> 00:18:45.200 China is better placed to win a price war in a saturated market than we 238 00:18:45.240 --> 00:18:49.119 are. That could backfire. I don't think China is going to launch a 239 00:18:49.200 --> 00:18:55.160 missiles ass the way the Japanese attack pro harbor over chips. It's not at 240 00:18:55.200 --> 00:19:03.559 all an analogous situation. The Chinese are certainly serial feeves of technology, and 241 00:19:03.680 --> 00:19:07.440 China the opposite of wrong is poor. They steal from each other, They 242 00:19:07.519 --> 00:19:12.640 steal from us and anyone they can. It is a predatory system. Nonetheless, 243 00:19:14.920 --> 00:19:21.839 we're at a point where the Chinese are now not dependent on stealing technology, 244 00:19:21.880 --> 00:19:26.480 and they're developing their own. Huawei has one hundred thousand research personnel, 245 00:19:26.680 --> 00:19:33.720 spends more money on R and D than Microsoft's or Google. I've toured their 246 00:19:33.720 --> 00:19:37.680 research facilities, I've met with many of their researchers, a large part of 247 00:19:37.680 --> 00:19:41.079 whom, by the way, are not Americans, Europeans, Australians and so 248 00:19:41.160 --> 00:19:45.400 forth, and not Chinese. So the point at which the United States panicked 249 00:19:45.960 --> 00:19:56.839 about China's technological impulse was when China showed its internal capacity to generate R and 250 00:19:56.920 --> 00:20:02.880 D breakthroughs. Remember, China now dominates two high tech industries. One is 251 00:20:03.680 --> 00:20:11.359 a telecom infrastructure five G communications and so on, and secondly electric vehicles. 252 00:20:11.759 --> 00:20:15.359 That's an important industry. China is by far the biggest player in the auto 253 00:20:15.400 --> 00:20:19.960 industry, the world's biggest manufacturing industry, and their best position at the technological 254 00:20:21.039 --> 00:20:26.920 frontier. China now has more robots per industrial worker than the United States does 255 00:20:26.440 --> 00:20:33.799 and a bubble. China advances in the applications of artificial intelligence to manufacturing, 256 00:20:33.880 --> 00:20:40.279 transportation, logistics, and so forth are way ahead of ours. It you'll 257 00:20:40.319 --> 00:20:47.480 pardon me one number. Whilwei claims they have ten thousand customers for their AI 258 00:20:47.640 --> 00:20:52.640 systems in manufacturing. I spoke to one of the three major telcodes in the 259 00:20:52.799 --> 00:20:57.599 US and ask them how they stand, and this particular telco said they at 260 00:20:57.599 --> 00:21:06.720 this point they have no industrial customers for five these systems, So it's complicated. 261 00:21:06.920 --> 00:21:10.359 A retaliatory, Yes, we could call it retaliatory, but that's not 262 00:21:10.400 --> 00:21:17.279 what we're responded to respond to Chinese endogenous innovation, which threatens to leave us 263 00:21:17.319 --> 00:21:22.960 behind in certain strategically critical areas. I hate to interrupt and maybe if you've 264 00:21:22.960 --> 00:21:25.720 been nodding off, which is unlikely given this conversation, But you know, 265 00:21:26.440 --> 00:21:30.319 sometimes you get that little point in the day we feel a little sleepy. 266 00:21:30.759 --> 00:21:33.279 You didn't sleep well last night, did you? 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That's shop 290 00:23:11.680 --> 00:23:15.839 b E a M dot com slash ricochet and use the code of ricoget for 291 00:23:15.960 --> 00:23:18.720 up to forty percent off. It's delicious, You'll sleep better, You'll wait 292 00:23:18.799 --> 00:23:22.920 better. What's not to love? We thank Beam for sponsoring this the Ricochet 293 00:23:22.000 --> 00:23:27.640 Podcast. David, you you lay out in your latest stage of Times article 294 00:23:29.960 --> 00:23:34.079 China's long term strategy to build global markets for the next generation of Chinese prosperity 295 00:23:34.119 --> 00:23:37.680 and trade. I want to ask you about the Chinese economy at the moment. 296 00:23:38.119 --> 00:23:42.119 I keep talking to people I know in the finance industry who have some 297 00:23:42.480 --> 00:23:47.279 varying degrees of knowledge of China, maybe not as much as yours, but 298 00:23:47.359 --> 00:23:51.559 they think they're very worried about the current state of the Chinese economy. They're 299 00:23:51.559 --> 00:23:56.759 worried that they're close to perhaps a catastrophic recession like the Japanese had thirty years 300 00:23:56.799 --> 00:24:00.680 ago. I guess, and first of all, what did you assessment of 301 00:24:00.680 --> 00:24:03.440 the Chinese economy at the current time, and what are risks not only to 302 00:24:03.519 --> 00:24:08.359 our own economy and the global economic cycle, but also what political effects that 303 00:24:08.480 --> 00:24:15.920 might have on China if their long run of economic prosperity hits a wall. 304 00:24:15.319 --> 00:24:22.720 China has one big problem. They have to transform their economy fundamentally from what 305 00:24:23.559 --> 00:24:30.119 Dung Shaoping created in the reforms of nineteen to seventy nine. Dung did one 306 00:24:30.240 --> 00:24:34.480 thing, which is to take dirt farmers and tournaments of semi skilled manufacturing workers 307 00:24:36.839 --> 00:24:41.480 the workforce that Dung had to deploy in the nineteen eighties, when China began 308 00:24:41.720 --> 00:24:47.839 its great run of growth, had a tertiary education rate of three percent. 309 00:24:48.720 --> 00:24:52.319 They were cheap labor that took a lot of American jobs and other jobs away. 310 00:24:53.079 --> 00:24:59.000 Now that great migration, seven hundred million people have moved from countryside to 311 00:24:59.039 --> 00:25:03.480 city, there are that many people left to move. The semi skilled industrial 312 00:25:03.519 --> 00:25:08.680 model is past. It's used by date, and either they move to a 313 00:25:08.799 --> 00:25:14.920 high tech industrial model or they go through a major crisis. So the entire 314 00:25:15.039 --> 00:25:22.279 emphasis of the Chinese government has been to develop what they call the Fourth Industrial 315 00:25:22.319 --> 00:25:26.400 Revolution. That's a lousy phrase. They stole from the World Economic Form. 316 00:25:26.400 --> 00:25:30.480 Another example the technology effect, but what it means is the application of artificial 317 00:25:30.480 --> 00:25:37.640 intelligence to industrial automation. They've had mixed success. They've done some very impressive 318 00:25:37.640 --> 00:25:41.319 things, as I mentioned, an auto, telecom and so forth. I 319 00:25:41.359 --> 00:25:44.279 could give you some examples. I was in China and saw some of them 320 00:25:44.359 --> 00:25:51.000 recently. Their tertiary education rate is not three percent Underdune, it's sixty four 321 00:25:51.079 --> 00:25:56.480 percent. It's about equal to Germany. They graduate one point four million engineers 322 00:25:56.480 --> 00:26:03.640 a year, and they need to redirect the capital of the country into this 323 00:26:03.759 --> 00:26:10.880 industrial project. Now for the past thirty years, the savings of the Chinese 324 00:26:10.920 --> 00:26:15.480 people have gone mainly into real estate. Seventy percent of the assets of Chinese 325 00:26:15.519 --> 00:26:18.960 households are in real estate. That's created a bubble in some of the major 326 00:26:19.039 --> 00:26:23.799 cities and a huge deformation of the Chinese economy. Real estate is a quarter 327 00:26:23.880 --> 00:26:29.039 of GDP. They've got to reduce that. So for the past two or 328 00:26:29.119 --> 00:26:34.440 three years they've been tightening credit and restricting activity in the real estate sector to 329 00:26:34.599 --> 00:26:40.759 pop the bubble, and that's produced a lot of pain. They've managed to 330 00:26:40.799 --> 00:26:47.319 have sluggish but still positive growth for the last year while they go through that 331 00:26:47.480 --> 00:26:52.880 Namathur organization, and so far I don't believe they have a crisis. They 332 00:26:52.920 --> 00:27:00.200 simply have the mother of all hangovers. After this thirty year spring on real 333 00:27:00.279 --> 00:27:06.079 estate, can they make the transition? I don't know. They've made progress 334 00:27:06.119 --> 00:27:08.599 in some areas, less progress than others, but that's the nature of the 335 00:27:08.640 --> 00:27:11.799 problem. Right now. I don't see a crisis. I just see a 336 00:27:11.839 --> 00:27:18.559 somewhat luggish economy. Jobs are scars from some places. People are complaining, 337 00:27:18.920 --> 00:27:23.200 but most people are working. Most people are making good money. Real wages 338 00:27:23.200 --> 00:27:30.599 are going up, and I don't see a political problem. Yet it could 339 00:27:30.759 --> 00:27:37.519 turn bad, but so far they've been able to keep the balancing at going. 340 00:27:38.400 --> 00:27:41.880 I mean, in America, when we say that fifty percent of my 341 00:27:41.920 --> 00:27:44.599 net worth is in real estate, we mean our house perhaps, or a 342 00:27:44.640 --> 00:27:48.039 place down the street that we bought and rent out. In China, as 343 00:27:48.079 --> 00:27:49.279 I understand it, and gregt me if I'm wrong, a lot of this 344 00:27:49.519 --> 00:27:53.680 is just investment in a property that is a place in the sky. It's 345 00:27:53.680 --> 00:28:02.000 not finished, it doesn't have the appointments. It's just investment in a complex 346 00:28:02.039 --> 00:28:07.480 which itself is completely unoccupied. So there's this sort of ghost building, ghost 347 00:28:07.559 --> 00:28:12.480 cities problem that can be exaggerated. When you move seven hundred million people, 348 00:28:14.160 --> 00:28:18.039 you build homes for seven hundred million people, if you have a five or 349 00:28:18.119 --> 00:28:25.079 ten percent error rate, you're going to have tens of millions of unoccupied houses. 350 00:28:25.319 --> 00:28:29.799 And it's also the case that typically between sale of a house and occupancy 351 00:28:30.640 --> 00:28:34.880 in China, there is about two or three years of improvements that need to 352 00:28:34.960 --> 00:28:38.200 be made. So yes, there are a lot of unoccupied houses, but 353 00:28:38.279 --> 00:28:45.160 there's also an enormous pent up demand for houses. This generation of Chinese that 354 00:28:45.240 --> 00:28:48.880 went from living with a dirt floor in an outhouse to having central heating and 355 00:28:48.920 --> 00:28:56.519 plumbing but a very small apartment, so there is a great deal of pentive 356 00:28:56.519 --> 00:29:00.480 demand for more space. I don't think that. I think the ghost cities 357 00:29:00.599 --> 00:29:07.519 argument it reflects a problem, but it's exaggerated. Basic problem is in America 358 00:29:07.599 --> 00:29:11.839 is something like forty percent of household assets and gen pension funds and everything else 359 00:29:11.359 --> 00:29:17.160 are in corporate ASID stocks and bonds we invest in America. In China it's 360 00:29:17.200 --> 00:29:22.640 perhaps eight percent, and the Chinese government has to convince the Chinese people to 361 00:29:22.799 --> 00:29:30.960 invest in its high tech industrial project as opposed to in houses. If they 362 00:29:30.960 --> 00:29:36.119 want to make this transition, it's not going to be an easy thing to 363 00:29:36.160 --> 00:29:41.599 do, and it's probably two years of a sluggish and unpleasant economy at least 364 00:29:41.960 --> 00:29:45.759 before they turn the corner, if indeed they do. All right, David, 365 00:29:45.839 --> 00:29:48.720 let me ask you about Israel, and the problem is, I don't 366 00:29:48.720 --> 00:29:52.519 know where to begin or end. So let me just ask you to give 367 00:29:52.599 --> 00:30:00.279 us your two top observations or concerns about whether it's the disposition of is capabilities 368 00:30:00.279 --> 00:30:04.680 to subdue Gaza or whether they should attack Hesbala first. I don't know. 369 00:30:04.799 --> 00:30:08.319 Just give me your top two things on your mind. On the Israeli scene 370 00:30:08.400 --> 00:30:15.799 right now, Urban warfare is a horrible and nasty business. There's no way 371 00:30:15.839 --> 00:30:22.640 to neutralize Hamas without going in underground, and Hamas has had sixteen years to 372 00:30:22.680 --> 00:30:26.440 dig in, including building a tunnel system that's probably larger than the London Metro 373 00:30:26.960 --> 00:30:34.359 in terms of length. So doing this would without doubt involve a lot of 374 00:30:34.400 --> 00:30:40.079 Israeli casualties and a very large amount of collateral damage, by which I mean 375 00:30:40.119 --> 00:30:47.759 civilian cancers. If you look at the mass demonstrations in Europe against European governments 376 00:30:48.240 --> 00:30:53.799 by Muslims and their sympathizers, the amount of political blowback that Israel will get 377 00:30:55.319 --> 00:31:02.200 if it follows this policy is frightening. It's a very difficult line to walk. 378 00:31:03.359 --> 00:31:07.200 And my second problem is that if Israel looks weak, no one in 379 00:31:07.240 --> 00:31:11.799 the Muslim world will want to negotiate with it. No one likes Israel. 380 00:31:11.880 --> 00:31:17.319 The Saudis and others are willing to negotiate with Israel because Israel looked strong, 381 00:31:17.480 --> 00:31:21.920 and if Israel does nothing, it will look weak and its position will deteriorate. 382 00:31:22.000 --> 00:31:29.079 So either alternative is going to entail terrible costs, and I think they'll 383 00:31:29.119 --> 00:31:33.440 take the first with all the attendant costs as bloody and unpleasant as it will 384 00:31:33.480 --> 00:31:41.119 be. Very simple question here, is there any solution. I'm hesitant to 385 00:31:41.200 --> 00:31:45.680 use the word solution because really it suggests something that can a problem that can 386 00:31:45.759 --> 00:31:52.839 be solved, and we're dealing with human societies. There are trade offs. 387 00:31:52.680 --> 00:31:59.000 As Tom Soul said, there are no solutions, only trade offs. Does 388 00:31:59.440 --> 00:32:04.559 has the moment come when Israel and the United States have no choice but to 389 00:32:04.599 --> 00:32:08.720 take out the Iranian nuclear facilities or to attempt to do so. I don't 390 00:32:08.759 --> 00:32:13.680 know, and I have no comment on that because I don't have a technological 391 00:32:13.880 --> 00:32:22.480 reading on this. Taking out Iran would lead to all kinds of chaotic developments, 392 00:32:22.160 --> 00:32:27.720 and I'm not willing to recommend it without having access to intelligence about their 393 00:32:27.799 --> 00:32:32.519 state of nuclear development. I think the core problem in the Middle East goes 394 00:32:32.599 --> 00:32:37.279 back to nineteen forty eight, when you had roughly equal numbers of Jews and 395 00:32:37.400 --> 00:32:44.519 Arabs expelled respectively from Jewish and Muslim zones. The Jews, of course, 396 00:32:44.599 --> 00:32:52.000 absorbed eight hundred thousand refugees expelled from Muslim countries, so Israel's Jewish population went 397 00:32:52.000 --> 00:32:55.519 from six hundred and thirty thousand in nineteen forty eight to five to one point 398 00:32:55.640 --> 00:33:02.480 six million. In nineteen fifty five, no Arab country accepted Arab refugees. 399 00:33:02.559 --> 00:33:07.559 They turned into the Palestinian people by being dumped in camps as a bargaining chip 400 00:33:08.319 --> 00:33:15.319 against Israel. When Saudi Arabia appeared poised a sign a peace agreement with Israel, 401 00:33:15.720 --> 00:33:20.400 that would have meant that the refugees had become irrelevant. And I believe 402 00:33:20.400 --> 00:33:24.160 that's why Hamask wants the attacks of what it did to stop those negotiations, 403 00:33:24.480 --> 00:33:30.960 and they did it effectively and they succeeded. So this is a victory for 404 00:33:30.039 --> 00:33:37.240 hamas they maintained the relevancy of the Palestinian refugee problem. The ideal solution would 405 00:33:37.279 --> 00:33:40.839 be for Gaza to be incorporated into Egypt. Let the Egyptians deal with it 406 00:33:40.920 --> 00:33:45.839 great a national boundary, solve the refugee problem by making them citizens of a 407 00:33:45.960 --> 00:33:52.400 nation state which is responsible for security. That's not good to happen because they're 408 00:33:52.440 --> 00:33:55.640 going to be an effective cudgel to be used. Her hereditary status of being 409 00:33:55.680 --> 00:34:00.039 a refugee never resolved, but I was useful when some needs to be derailed 410 00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:02.720 or some well, the rest of it. David we thank you for joining 411 00:34:02.759 --> 00:34:07.039 us in the podcast today. David Goldman is spangler column appears in Asia Times 412 00:34:07.079 --> 00:34:12.000 and he's the author of it. 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Thank 447 00:37:04.280 --> 00:37:07.920 you your Twitter page. You have images that the world needs to see and 448 00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:12.000 that the world would prefer to turn away from. All the things that are 449 00:37:12.000 --> 00:37:15.199 coming out left in the wake of October seventh attack, and we see more 450 00:37:15.320 --> 00:37:19.800 and more and more. Tell us about your day there at the Kabbutz. 451 00:37:21.079 --> 00:37:24.079 Well, it was the longest day. As some of you know. I've 452 00:37:24.639 --> 00:37:30.000 had the pleasure of being on your podcast before, and sometimes I've been on 453 00:37:30.280 --> 00:37:35.480 from well usually i'm on from one of the conflict zones of the world, 454 00:37:35.519 --> 00:37:44.360 and it turns out it's very very different when it's family. And I'm usually 455 00:37:44.480 --> 00:37:47.280 very proud of not being scared of things, but this morning I was genuinely 456 00:37:49.280 --> 00:37:53.000 frightened to go see for myself the things that you know, I've been like 457 00:37:53.039 --> 00:37:57.920 any other Jew in the diaspora before. Now I'm in Jerusalem and I came 458 00:37:57.960 --> 00:38:01.360 here after the Mass, but before that, I'm sitting there doom scrolling and 459 00:38:01.400 --> 00:38:06.639 I'm seeing all the videos and I'm crying and I'm anxious. But when you 460 00:38:06.719 --> 00:38:09.639 go for yourself and you see for yourself, it's it's a hole that I 461 00:38:09.679 --> 00:38:15.639 was very worried about falling into, and that I was right to worry. 462 00:38:15.679 --> 00:38:21.239 But but I'm glad i went, if that makes sense. I was able 463 00:38:21.280 --> 00:38:24.639 to speak to the rescue personnel there, the Zaka, we're basically the forensic 464 00:38:24.679 --> 00:38:31.360 teen in Israel, and they told me stories that you know, no person 465 00:38:32.280 --> 00:38:38.360 can never forget of women pregnant women whose stomachs were cut open and breast were 466 00:38:38.400 --> 00:38:44.679 cut off, and babies with hatchets in their head, babies that were tortured, 467 00:38:44.840 --> 00:38:51.719 babies that were tied together and burned alive. And then you walk around. 468 00:38:52.079 --> 00:38:54.199 I was able to walk around house to house to house to house, 469 00:38:54.239 --> 00:39:00.199 and because of the situation and because it's still chaotic, Yes, most the 470 00:39:00.239 --> 00:39:06.480 bodies have been taken away, but there's no cleanup yet, which means that 471 00:39:07.440 --> 00:39:13.159 you smell it before you see it, and it hits you with all the 472 00:39:13.239 --> 00:39:17.760 senses, and of course you know as a Jew, it's it's impossible not 473 00:39:17.960 --> 00:39:24.519 to feel as if, bizarrely you're standing in the Holocaust. And I had 474 00:39:24.519 --> 00:39:29.000 to call my Rabbi in the middle of it, and I haven't prayed in 475 00:39:29.039 --> 00:39:31.840 a long time, and I said, I don't know what to do because 476 00:39:32.079 --> 00:39:37.079 a part of me just wants to kill somebody. I'm so angry. I'm 477 00:39:37.119 --> 00:39:40.440 filled with such rage, and yet I can't. So all I know how 478 00:39:40.480 --> 00:39:44.400 to do is pray. And I said, send me some to Helen, 479 00:39:44.519 --> 00:39:49.840 send me some psalms because I want to stand in this unholy place and pray, 480 00:39:49.880 --> 00:39:52.599 because I don't know what to do. Anika, you're in Jerusalem now, 481 00:39:52.639 --> 00:39:59.159 as I understand it, Jerusalem is feels relatively relatively safe. But it's 482 00:39:59.199 --> 00:40:02.400 a small country, and Americans, I at least, am always surprised by 483 00:40:02.400 --> 00:40:07.880 how small it feels when you're there. From Jerusalem where you are right now, 484 00:40:08.519 --> 00:40:15.519 and that's a safe place to thet kibutsum that we're attacked, to the 485 00:40:15.559 --> 00:40:20.360 site of the big dance or rave where a slaughter took place. What is 486 00:40:20.360 --> 00:40:25.159 the distance two hours by car. Okay at a leisurely pace. Israel is 487 00:40:25.679 --> 00:40:30.760 tiny, you know, it's like it's not even an American states, right, 488 00:40:31.480 --> 00:40:35.719 So the distance and when you say, okay, Jerusalem is safe, 489 00:40:36.800 --> 00:40:43.639 yes, relatively, but also Jerusalem is a mixed city. Everybody is incredibly 490 00:40:43.719 --> 00:40:46.679 test. I was here in March and I was doing the usual hanging out 491 00:40:46.679 --> 00:40:51.000 with my friends, and we drink a lot of good wine and a lot 492 00:40:51.000 --> 00:40:52.320 of good meats. You know, we walk around in the city. None 493 00:40:52.360 --> 00:40:59.280 of that is here. Now. What we do is we sit and we 494 00:40:59.280 --> 00:41:04.079 we ask our use when when is it coming? We know it's coming right 495 00:41:04.159 --> 00:41:08.440 when the war is breaking out in Earnest Is it opening on one front? 496 00:41:09.000 --> 00:41:14.639 Is Cusbola gonna as a lot of us suspect when we go in on the 497 00:41:14.679 --> 00:41:16.519 ground, it is cus Bela and Iran going to attack from the north, 498 00:41:16.920 --> 00:41:22.840 which means that we're in at least the two front war right at the same 499 00:41:22.840 --> 00:41:24.920 time, in a tiny country. So the first thing, I mean, 500 00:41:24.960 --> 00:41:30.400 I'm staying at a hotel. Everywhere it says mahmud, you know, shelter 501 00:41:30.559 --> 00:41:34.519 bomb, shelter. We The first thing you do is you check, okay, 502 00:41:34.599 --> 00:41:37.119 on my floor, where's the bombshell because we know it's it's tomorrow morning, 503 00:41:37.119 --> 00:41:40.199 it's the next day, but we're gonna have to run. And on 504 00:41:40.199 --> 00:41:45.559 my way back from from the south today sirens, you get out of the 505 00:41:45.599 --> 00:41:49.760 car, you lay on the ground. This is this is the life now 506 00:41:49.880 --> 00:41:55.840 in Jerusalem is supposedly, supposedly or relatively safe place, right because also you 507 00:41:55.880 --> 00:42:01.239 know, I'm sure that you've discussed this at length, but we thought we 508 00:42:01.360 --> 00:42:07.119 did not realize or at least there was a significant intelligence failure at some point, 509 00:42:07.320 --> 00:42:10.800 and Hamas is not is not as weak as we had hopes. The 510 00:42:12.360 --> 00:42:14.960 you know, the sirens are going off in Tel Aviv, they're going off 511 00:42:15.000 --> 00:42:16.760 in Jerusalem, they're going off in the south, they're going off in the 512 00:42:16.800 --> 00:42:24.239 north. This is terror and anika. I'm struck. Population of Israel is 513 00:42:24.239 --> 00:42:30.920 about nine million. Standing army typically of about one hundred thousand. Reservists have 514 00:42:30.960 --> 00:42:35.840 been called up of three hundred and sixty thousand, which puts the number of 515 00:42:36.920 --> 00:42:40.440 people bearing arms on the ground at four hundred and sixty thousand. The active 516 00:42:40.519 --> 00:42:45.400 duty United States Army is only four hundred and forty thousand, so in a 517 00:42:45.480 --> 00:42:51.400 nation of nine million, four hundred and sixty thousand people called up to military 518 00:42:51.480 --> 00:42:58.239 service. Quite apart from the military situation, they place that must leave shops 519 00:42:58.280 --> 00:43:02.599 without attendance. I mean it has to be visible everywhere the people who were 520 00:43:02.639 --> 00:43:07.480 engaged. That's what I was getting. What does it feel like? It's 521 00:43:07.480 --> 00:43:12.000 you know, it's it's the simple things as the night I arrived. And 522 00:43:12.039 --> 00:43:15.800 of course I'm always excited to be able to go eat kosher food or you 523 00:43:15.840 --> 00:43:19.840 know, being an israel like it. It's an exciting experience. But even 524 00:43:19.880 --> 00:43:22.880 at the hotel, the answer now is sorry, we don't have it because 525 00:43:22.880 --> 00:43:27.119 of the situation. Sorry, we don't do this because of the situation. 526 00:43:27.800 --> 00:43:32.840 There is, there's no stat everybody. You see it everywhere, every able 527 00:43:34.000 --> 00:43:38.840 bodied man is in the army. Now everybody I know is either in the 528 00:43:38.960 --> 00:43:44.360 army or has said goodbye to their husband, their brother, their father, 529 00:43:44.559 --> 00:43:49.559 their you know, to go to the army. You drive around, I 530 00:43:49.639 --> 00:43:53.360 drove from Jerusalem to the south. What you see are not cars going to 531 00:43:53.440 --> 00:43:58.440 work or you know, going to visit friends. What you see is military. 532 00:43:58.480 --> 00:44:05.360 You meet the military h and you feel it. It's it's an interesting 533 00:44:05.440 --> 00:44:08.079 sense for a Jew, because of course we tell stories, that's what Jews 534 00:44:08.159 --> 00:44:13.760 do. And of my generation. I was raised in a generation where we 535 00:44:13.840 --> 00:44:17.679 told the stories of our grandparents and you know, the time that changed the 536 00:44:17.719 --> 00:44:22.760 world for the Jews, the Jewish world right. And I was sitting with 537 00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:25.239 my friends here yesterday and we said, do you realize that we're now in 538 00:44:25.280 --> 00:44:30.800 those shivering few days before we're in those times? We're about to live in 539 00:44:30.840 --> 00:44:36.920 the times that our grandchildren speak about, the times that change, you know, 540 00:44:37.000 --> 00:44:39.920 the status quo that changed the history of the Jews. Never would we 541 00:44:39.960 --> 00:44:44.719 have imagined. You feel it on every stream corner, You feel it everywhere, 542 00:44:45.079 --> 00:44:47.679 and you also feel the tension between Jews and Arabs. I have one 543 00:44:47.760 --> 00:44:52.280 I have one more question before James and Steve come in, and it's this. 544 00:44:54.480 --> 00:45:02.719 I have been watching it that closely. But my impress is that the 545 00:45:02.760 --> 00:45:13.599 traffic, the Jewish traffic in Bengurian Airport is inbound rather than outbound. That 546 00:45:13.960 --> 00:45:19.320 lots of American Jews, lots of Jews from Europe lots is an odd way 547 00:45:19.360 --> 00:45:22.320 of putting it. Because of the way the twentieth century turned out, there 548 00:45:22.360 --> 00:45:28.280 aren't as many as Jews as there should be, but Jews are flying too 549 00:45:28.360 --> 00:45:32.119 Israel to be there, and the younger ones, the more able bodied, 550 00:45:32.119 --> 00:45:38.039 are flying to Israel to fight. And I have not been aware of streams 551 00:45:38.079 --> 00:45:44.679 of mothers and children or old people lining up at Bengurian to get out of 552 00:45:44.719 --> 00:45:50.800 the country to safety. Am I generally correct about this? You're absolutely correct 553 00:45:50.880 --> 00:45:55.280 today. I check the numbers today, two hundred thousand Jews out of a 554 00:45:55.320 --> 00:46:02.239 population of nine million have returned to fight. And I said to you know, 555 00:46:02.280 --> 00:46:07.639 when as I left on Thursday, I said, I live in Ghana 556 00:46:07.679 --> 00:46:09.599 now and I work in Ghana, and my employees were very puzzled by the 557 00:46:09.599 --> 00:46:14.039 fact that I wanted to go home to go to Israel during the war, 558 00:46:14.519 --> 00:46:16.440 and I said, I wish for you, and even more so, I 559 00:46:16.519 --> 00:46:22.239 wish for the Western world to have what we have. These are dark, 560 00:46:22.360 --> 00:46:25.760 dark times for the Jewish people. But my God, am I proud and 561 00:46:25.880 --> 00:46:30.480 happy to be a Jew because we do not sit and say, oh, 562 00:46:30.519 --> 00:46:35.280 somebody else has got this, so I can go about my day, or 563 00:46:35.320 --> 00:46:37.800 even worse, you know, say oh he's got this, and then we 564 00:46:37.840 --> 00:46:42.119 complain about how how he's doing it. We all do. We all come 565 00:46:42.199 --> 00:46:45.639 home and we all have this sense, almost childlike that when something is wrong 566 00:46:45.679 --> 00:46:49.639 in the world, where do we want to go? We come home, 567 00:46:50.400 --> 00:46:53.000 and I didn't know what I was going to do here. I didn't know 568 00:46:53.079 --> 00:46:55.760 how I was going to help. But I know that there's no other place 569 00:46:57.400 --> 00:47:00.800 that I can be right now than home, because my people are hurting, 570 00:47:01.079 --> 00:47:06.000 my people are bleeding. We're about to face one of the greatest battles that 571 00:47:06.039 --> 00:47:08.960 we faced in fifty years or even more. And this is a pivotal time 572 00:47:08.960 --> 00:47:14.000 for the Jewish people and Wese. We come home. Well this year, 573 00:47:14.360 --> 00:47:17.000 this year, in Jerusalem, this year, I'm in. I'm in, 574 00:47:17.159 --> 00:47:22.079 I'm in exactly. Oh yeah, Stephen, Oh that's good. It's Steve 575 00:47:22.119 --> 00:47:25.960 Hayward talking to you tonight from Munich, Germany. Actually, and wow, 576 00:47:27.000 --> 00:47:31.840 I see. I hope I can get through my question. You know, 577 00:47:31.880 --> 00:47:36.400 I'm not Jewish, but I always understood growing up, would never forget meant. 578 00:47:37.880 --> 00:47:39.360 And of course one thing is our member is coming here to Munich as 579 00:47:39.360 --> 00:47:43.719 a teenager forty years ago and doing what American tourists did. I went and 580 00:47:43.800 --> 00:47:47.559 visited doc Ow. I'm not sure Americans are doing that anymore. I hope 581 00:47:47.559 --> 00:47:51.920 they are. I don't know. I was struck by the way. It's 582 00:47:51.920 --> 00:47:54.559 just, you know, an impressional teenager that the German bus driver who pointed 583 00:47:54.679 --> 00:48:00.760 where we wanted to go was clearly ashamed as you should have been, right. 584 00:48:00.800 --> 00:48:02.800 I mean, we go through that for a long time, but and 585 00:48:04.239 --> 00:48:08.039 now suddenly the point is it seems that people have forgotten or are willfully forgetting. 586 00:48:08.039 --> 00:48:12.679 I mean, the thing that outrages me so much is you know these 587 00:48:13.800 --> 00:48:15.559 you've heard the stories we were talked about that earlier in the show, the 588 00:48:15.679 --> 00:48:22.719 tenured professors on campus openly siding with hamas right, in other words, from 589 00:48:22.719 --> 00:48:24.960 the river to the sea, it may as well be seguile. And I've 590 00:48:24.960 --> 00:48:30.480 been saying for a long time that I've been talking about American universities as our 591 00:48:30.519 --> 00:48:34.039 East German universities. Well now that's becoming more literally true, because you know, 592 00:48:34.119 --> 00:48:37.079 as German universities ninety years ago, we're an awful lot of the vileness 593 00:48:37.119 --> 00:48:44.360 and anti semitism spread as official intellectual doctrine. Okay, enough of a rant. 594 00:48:46.519 --> 00:48:50.280 What are you hearing about the hostages? Doesn't seem to be a lot 595 00:48:50.320 --> 00:48:53.559 of talk about it in the media right now? What are people there saying? 596 00:48:53.880 --> 00:48:59.480 What are I'll just stop there and let you try and help out flesh 597 00:48:59.480 --> 00:49:02.639 out my question. These are the things that you know. One of I've, 598 00:49:04.000 --> 00:49:07.440 like I said, I've been doom scrolling a lot, and the video 599 00:49:07.480 --> 00:49:10.360 that got me the most. And of course I'm also a mother. As 600 00:49:10.440 --> 00:49:14.639 parents, we all can relate to this. As the father whose eight year 601 00:49:14.679 --> 00:49:19.800 old daughter when he found out that she had been indeed murdered and her body 602 00:49:19.880 --> 00:49:25.039 was found, he said, yes, thank God. And I don't think 603 00:49:25.039 --> 00:49:29.719 there's a Jew in the world that is not constantly thinking about these faces, 604 00:49:29.719 --> 00:49:35.280 these children, and these women and these men and thinking what it would be 605 00:49:35.400 --> 00:49:37.800 to be in the hands of ramas. I think about it because as a 606 00:49:37.880 --> 00:49:43.960 Jewish woman, the images I've seen, it's not difficult to imagine what it 607 00:49:44.039 --> 00:49:47.880 is to be in Ghaza and be in the hands of these animals. And 608 00:49:49.199 --> 00:49:52.360 as one parent said, they're neither alive nor dead in her mind, They're 609 00:49:52.400 --> 00:49:58.000 living in the hell that we cannot imagine as it is now. You know, 610 00:49:58.079 --> 00:50:01.679 of course, some of you know is has the Hannibal doctrine. There's 611 00:50:02.079 --> 00:50:07.159 there, there are there are rules, and there are practices when it comes 612 00:50:07.199 --> 00:50:12.480 to not negotiating over and allowing the leverage that it means to be held hostage 613 00:50:12.519 --> 00:50:19.440 by by terrorists in this way I can tell you for myself. Of course, 614 00:50:19.440 --> 00:50:22.159 we speak about them every day. We wonder about the babies every day. 615 00:50:22.199 --> 00:50:25.320 Where are they? Are they alive? Is somebody holding them? Is 616 00:50:25.320 --> 00:50:31.039 somebody putting them to bed? Are they eating? What has happened to them? 617 00:50:31.320 --> 00:50:37.719 I think that we all we say cottage for them already in our way. 618 00:50:38.280 --> 00:50:44.320 I don't know if you know what that means, but it's it's a 619 00:50:44.360 --> 00:50:46.760 difficult thing to say, but cottage is the it's the Jewish prayer of morning, 620 00:50:46.760 --> 00:50:53.119 and we say for the dead, and and this is it's a very 621 00:50:53.119 --> 00:51:02.119 difficult thing. We We cannot we cannot be held hostage by them holding hostages. 622 00:51:02.960 --> 00:51:07.880 We do not know. And I pray every day that the IDF and 623 00:51:07.920 --> 00:51:15.559 the intelligence knows something that I don't. But I'm afraid that that's they're lost 624 00:51:15.599 --> 00:51:17.679 to us in one way or another. We pray that's not the case. 625 00:51:17.880 --> 00:51:22.000 But we also know that it will not stop a ground invasion either way. 626 00:51:22.039 --> 00:51:25.360 It will have to happen because there is no way to defeat Hamas. There 627 00:51:25.360 --> 00:51:30.920 would be no way to retrieve these hostages without having a ground invasion either way. 628 00:51:30.960 --> 00:51:36.400 We also know where Hamas keeps their weapons, right, so we can 629 00:51:36.480 --> 00:51:39.639 assume that they are keeping their hostages where they keep their weapons. We are 630 00:51:39.679 --> 00:51:45.199 assuming that they have placed these Jewish babies as human shields, and that is 631 00:51:45.239 --> 00:51:49.199 the best case scenario. So when I say that we are living in a 632 00:51:49.199 --> 00:51:52.639 NonStop heartbreak, it is no it is no exaggeration. And I will also 633 00:51:52.920 --> 00:51:59.400 I also want to add that there's no jew that is not paying attention to 634 00:51:59.480 --> 00:52:05.079 what is being said on these campuses across the Jewish world. And I will 635 00:52:05.119 --> 00:52:07.519 say, and I say, you know, I half jokingly say I didn't 636 00:52:07.519 --> 00:52:10.400 think I could become more right wing. You know, I've always been to 637 00:52:10.440 --> 00:52:15.800 the right of Genghis Khan. But but at this point there, I know 638 00:52:15.920 --> 00:52:20.480 these names, I know these institutions. I know every single person and what 639 00:52:20.599 --> 00:52:23.519 they are doing at this time. And none of us will forget. Although 640 00:52:23.519 --> 00:52:30.360 the Western world forgets willfully or otherwise, we don't. I certainly don't. 641 00:52:30.559 --> 00:52:34.599 And when this time is over, when it is all said and done, 642 00:52:34.719 --> 00:52:38.920 and we have beaten back Khmans beyond, you know, to the edges of 643 00:52:39.000 --> 00:52:44.639 history, as we have everybody else who has ever come for us, then 644 00:52:44.679 --> 00:52:51.400 we will remember that list. Good. Yeah, in one sense, when 645 00:52:51.440 --> 00:52:53.280 it comes to the students, you can always say, well, now you 646 00:52:53.320 --> 00:52:58.000 know youthful, stupidity and naivete, But no, it's something else. It's 647 00:52:58.000 --> 00:53:02.320 a failure to apprehend the namesnature of barbarism and horror and evil in the world. 648 00:53:02.880 --> 00:53:07.280 But today is hard, tomorrow is unknowable. But the future there will 649 00:53:07.320 --> 00:53:13.320 be reckoning. There will be an evaluation. There will be amongst many people. 650 00:53:13.320 --> 00:53:15.920 Some of it will be political, some of it will be technological, 651 00:53:15.280 --> 00:53:20.199 you know, and whatever intelligence failures there were, But there also has to 652 00:53:20.199 --> 00:53:24.320 be or maybe there won't, but there should be an intellectual reappraising of the 653 00:53:24.360 --> 00:53:28.360 way people on the left see the world, because it seems to me that 654 00:53:28.400 --> 00:53:32.280 here in the States that there are something there. There are many people who 655 00:53:32.320 --> 00:53:37.000 are waking up to the fact that just because they thought they were a good 656 00:53:37.039 --> 00:53:40.320 person, because they bought into all of these clever words like decolonization and the 657 00:53:40.360 --> 00:53:45.159 rest of it, without really realizing the true intention of the people behind it, 658 00:53:45.199 --> 00:53:49.719 that that's the how many people on the left, how many Jewish people 659 00:53:49.719 --> 00:53:57.159 on the left secular content to have an easy feeling of virtue by siding with 660 00:53:57.159 --> 00:54:00.800 the Palestinian cause, how many of them are going to look at this and 661 00:54:00.840 --> 00:54:02.239 say, wait a minute, the people who I thought were on my side 662 00:54:02.280 --> 00:54:05.760 because we said the same buzzwords are not. They hate me, and they 663 00:54:05.760 --> 00:54:08.280 hate me for the most fundamental reason of them all. Do you think this 664 00:54:08.679 --> 00:54:13.920 will have this lasting impact, he said, finishing up his long winded speech 665 00:54:13.920 --> 00:54:16.639 as a question, Well, I see it happening. I mean, I 666 00:54:16.800 --> 00:54:21.360 certainly see it. Among the journalists that I meet here in Jerusalemon. There 667 00:54:21.400 --> 00:54:24.960 are a lot of very difficult conversations being had now. It is a loss 668 00:54:25.000 --> 00:54:30.559 of innocence, if you will. But again, I'm not of a forgiving 669 00:54:30.639 --> 00:54:38.480 nature, I'll say that. And I find it curious that when Hamas tells 670 00:54:38.519 --> 00:54:42.760 you, for God's sakes, they wear go pros when they kill our children. 671 00:54:44.239 --> 00:54:46.760 If they have told you what they think about you, they are in 672 00:54:46.800 --> 00:54:52.159 no way unclear about where they stand. So if you want to take up 673 00:54:52.199 --> 00:54:55.039 for them, I don't know. I have. I have very little time 674 00:54:55.079 --> 00:55:02.239 for you, and whatever you you know, internal struggle they have. I 675 00:55:02.320 --> 00:55:07.639 won't be losing any sleep over that. If they come to the right side, 676 00:55:07.679 --> 00:55:12.559 then they're welcome. I welcome them, not with open arms, but 677 00:55:12.639 --> 00:55:15.119 I welcome them. Well, what I will say is what I wish for 678 00:55:15.159 --> 00:55:19.400 them then, is that they can go to Gaza, but I pray that 679 00:55:19.760 --> 00:55:22.840 when we speak again in three months time that Gaza will be very different. 680 00:55:22.519 --> 00:55:28.840 So so who knows, maybe I will move to Gaza after all is said 681 00:55:28.840 --> 00:55:30.800 and done. So what I can say is, you know, we're all 682 00:55:30.920 --> 00:55:36.360 very focused on not even tomorrow, but the next hour, right like we're 683 00:55:36.760 --> 00:55:39.639 we know what's coming. And there's also a somber feeling. I'm in a 684 00:55:39.639 --> 00:55:43.719 different position now than I was all those years ago, when you're very raw 685 00:55:43.719 --> 00:55:49.480 about work. My oldest son is twenty now, and as I drive across 686 00:55:49.519 --> 00:55:54.920 Israel, the faces that I see in those tanks, they're twenty and I 687 00:55:54.960 --> 00:56:01.280 want to hold them and I want to You know, there's this free may 688 00:56:01.360 --> 00:56:07.039 we earn the sacrifice that you are about to make for all of us, 689 00:56:07.239 --> 00:56:13.079 because I feel it in my heart, Sos. As much as I am 690 00:56:13.599 --> 00:56:17.760 excited for us to win and to regain a little of that security that was 691 00:56:17.920 --> 00:56:24.920 lost two weeks ago, I also feel that the absolute heft of what we 692 00:56:24.960 --> 00:56:29.280 are about to live through and the lives that are about to be lost, 693 00:56:29.400 --> 00:56:35.119 because these young men and women are about to enter what can only be described 694 00:56:35.159 --> 00:56:37.760 as the pits of hell, and they are doing it for all of us, 695 00:56:37.800 --> 00:56:43.840 and the Jewish people knows a lot about sacrifice. And like I said, 696 00:56:43.880 --> 00:56:47.079 this will echo through time. This will really echo through time. And 697 00:56:47.119 --> 00:56:53.400 as I sit here and you know our eternal city, it's it's a it's 698 00:56:53.440 --> 00:56:59.360 a heavy heart. It's it's a very heavy heart that I have, and 699 00:56:59.360 --> 00:57:02.199 and we're all we're all waiting for that big, great, big unknown. 700 00:57:06.079 --> 00:57:10.400 I'm saying nothing because I don't want to blesspheme your remarks with anything other than 701 00:57:12.280 --> 00:57:15.920 thank you for joining us, good luck, best wishes, thank you, 702 00:57:16.000 --> 00:57:28.280 Anica, strength and victory. Thank you, thank you. And now we 703 00:57:28.320 --> 00:57:30.400 go to a commercial. I was gonna say, James, how are you 704 00:57:30.480 --> 00:57:37.239 going to do a normal segu after that? To be had? Rob's not 705 00:57:37.320 --> 00:57:38.480 here, so it's up to you to get us out with a joke. 706 00:57:39.199 --> 00:57:44.920 No, well, maybe try to rally, but it's impossible. It's impossible. 707 00:57:46.840 --> 00:57:51.719 I have to ask you though, are you you're in Germany during Octoberfest? 708 00:57:52.239 --> 00:57:54.320 Right? Is Octoberfest going on? Well? Actually, you know, 709 00:57:54.360 --> 00:57:58.840 I think Octoberfest is actually in September. I've always been confused about this. 710 00:58:00.639 --> 00:58:05.239 Right, that would be very very typical German, just you know, revery 711 00:58:05.280 --> 00:58:07.639 efficient. Why wait, till I get it, get it out of the 712 00:58:07.679 --> 00:58:09.960 way September right. Yeah, well, it's been no shortage of beer consumption 713 00:58:10.000 --> 00:58:14.320 on my part the last six weeks, that's for sure. Have you consumed 714 00:58:14.360 --> 00:58:17.360 the beer in leader hose? And though that's just the question, no, 715 00:58:17.679 --> 00:58:22.199 because I'm not I'm not trans anything, James. Why I am not going 716 00:58:22.239 --> 00:58:24.800 to do that? You're not trans cultural? You didn't you didn't bring the 717 00:58:24.840 --> 00:58:29.480 leader hoses on your vacational Germany. You know the thing that I would like 718 00:58:29.480 --> 00:58:30.440 about, you know, if I'd lived in a leader host in culture, 719 00:58:30.480 --> 00:58:36.440 they look like you know, it's kind of vague in the sizing of it 720 00:58:36.559 --> 00:58:39.119 that you know, you pretty much lead leader hose and fits nobody, so 721 00:58:39.360 --> 00:58:43.719 it's just always going to be baggy or the rest of it. Me I 722 00:58:43.760 --> 00:58:47.599 have problem getting closed because I just have one of those absurd little uh sets 723 00:58:47.639 --> 00:58:51.559 of measurements that I can't find anywhere, never find anything pants wise that I 724 00:58:51.599 --> 00:58:53.000 can get at the grow at the department store. Now I got to order 725 00:58:53.000 --> 00:58:57.719 them online and that means that you're at the vagaias and the wishes of what 726 00:58:57.840 --> 00:59:00.800 different companies think your way size mean. I've got about six seven pair of 727 00:59:00.840 --> 00:59:04.159 fans that all of the same way size, and every single one of them 728 00:59:04.199 --> 00:59:07.000 is different. It's just absolutely mad things. Some of the bags of them 729 00:59:07.000 --> 00:59:13.519 are tight. Ah well, Rone solved my life throwne solved my closet problems. 730 00:59:14.239 --> 00:59:17.719 Now you know, guys, men's closets were due for a radical reinvention, 731 00:59:17.840 --> 00:59:21.599 right, and Ron stepped right up to the challenge. I'm happy to 732 00:59:21.599 --> 00:59:24.960 say Ron's Commuter Collection, And no, you needn't commute to wear them, 733 00:59:25.239 --> 00:59:29.639 but I do, and I love them because they're the most comfortable and breathable 734 00:59:29.679 --> 00:59:34.119 and flexible set of products known demand period. The Commuter Collection offers the world's 735 00:59:34.119 --> 00:59:37.880 most comfortable pants dressers, quarter zips, and polos. 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I just this is the first what is it called technical fabric 754 01:00:54.719 --> 01:00:59.719 that there's a new This is sort of the new wave of in men's clothing, 755 01:01:00.119 --> 01:01:02.239 And honestly, I was very skeptical of it because I'm old enough to 756 01:01:02.239 --> 01:01:07.039 remember leisure suits. I'm old enough to exactly what they were trying to do 757 01:01:07.639 --> 01:01:13.079 with what we used to call polyester back in the old days, and it 758 01:01:13.199 --> 01:01:21.039 was all just unspeakable stiff and clammy and looked as though it would melt if 759 01:01:21.119 --> 01:01:23.639 you put it in the washing machine instead of get washed. And these Rowan 760 01:01:23.880 --> 01:01:30.079 clothes are technical fabric, I guess is the new term. Anyway. 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I'm just I'm just not except apparently aid to Israel is dependent upon 777 01:02:38.840 --> 01:02:44.519 them getting their their ship and order right, and it seems to be. 778 01:02:44.880 --> 01:02:47.679 And this is what is irritating a lot of the GOP's base, I think, 779 01:02:49.880 --> 01:02:52.719 and not without reason, is that we're spending an awful lot of money 780 01:02:52.719 --> 01:02:57.960 in Ukrainian and Israeli security, but our bone border security seems to be a 781 01:02:58.119 --> 01:03:00.239 bit lax. And I'm of the walking shoe gum schools that I believe that 782 01:03:00.239 --> 01:03:05.840 we actually can walk chew gum and I don't know, snapper fingers. We 783 01:03:05.840 --> 01:03:09.320 can do Israel and Ukraine and border security as well, but Abbott is sending 784 01:03:09.360 --> 01:03:14.559 more immigrants and buses to New York, which is compounding their difficulties. As 785 01:03:14.559 --> 01:03:16.840 such, Ben Dominic had a great piece I think he linked to it the 786 01:03:16.880 --> 01:03:21.280 other day in the Federalist about his experience in New York and going to the 787 01:03:21.360 --> 01:03:25.119 Roosevelt Hotel, and I remember that rose of what Velt Hotel is an absolutely 788 01:03:25.159 --> 01:03:31.800 wonderful gilded lobby, which apparently now is somewhat worse for wear. Anyway, 789 01:03:32.239 --> 01:03:35.360 what in there would you like to take? Would you want to talk about 790 01:03:35.440 --> 01:03:38.320 the speaker, the aid, the migrant crisis, or do you just want 791 01:03:38.360 --> 01:03:42.000 to throw up your hands and say, for heaven's sakes, we've dealt with 792 01:03:42.039 --> 01:03:45.119 two huge topics already. It's Friday, Let us go, Let us go, 793 01:03:45.239 --> 01:03:52.119 James. As it turns out, you can't operate too terribly long without 794 01:03:52.159 --> 01:03:55.400 a functioning house of representatives. The government's going to run out of money on 795 01:03:55.480 --> 01:04:00.880 November seventeenth, that's less than a month away. Israel Aid. There's a 796 01:04:00.920 --> 01:04:06.199 certain amount that the Pentagon can do with grawing down reserves and using standing orders 797 01:04:06.239 --> 01:04:10.360 and so forth. They get it all lawyered up. What else can we 798 01:04:10.360 --> 01:04:12.079 do? What else can we do? And it turns out you come to 799 01:04:12.119 --> 01:04:17.800 an end to what you can do, So we do need a functioning house. 800 01:04:18.440 --> 01:04:25.000 I understand. I feel to me that I understand what the Republicans are 801 01:04:25.039 --> 01:04:30.199 going through. They're angry with each other. They're really angry. These guys 802 01:04:30.239 --> 01:04:35.360 fought a very hard campaign. They ended up with a majority of just four 803 01:04:36.119 --> 01:04:41.119 if I have that right, just four seats. And with four seats, 804 01:04:41.159 --> 01:04:45.320 everybody has to put up with a lot. They have to put up with 805 01:04:45.360 --> 01:04:47.960 each other. They have to engage in a certain generosity with each other in 806 01:04:48.079 --> 01:04:55.400 order to hold the coalition together. I have have had a high view of 807 01:04:55.519 --> 01:05:01.360 Kevin McCarthy, who was through sheer jollity and good spirits and really hard work 808 01:05:01.440 --> 01:05:06.639 to raise money even for Republicans of the left and of the right, of 809 01:05:06.679 --> 01:05:11.159 whom he personally might not have approved, who wouldn't have gotten elected in his 810 01:05:11.239 --> 01:05:15.159 district in Bakersfield, California. He crisscrossed the country month after month to raise 811 01:05:15.199 --> 01:05:19.920 money hold it all together. And then eight sons of bitches turned on him 812 01:05:19.920 --> 01:05:27.880 and broke it all apart. And Jim Jordan now has run and Jim Jordan 813 01:05:28.079 --> 01:05:34.119 unleashed aspects of his support who started attacking but Republican moderates on Fox News and 814 01:05:34.199 --> 01:05:38.679 other outlets, and the Republican moderates said, Jordan, you tell them to 815 01:05:38.760 --> 01:05:41.719 knock it off, or you're not getting my vote. And Jim Jordan didn't 816 01:05:41.719 --> 01:05:45.960 tell them to knock it off. So these guys are just guys and women 817 01:05:45.400 --> 01:05:48.920 have had it up to here with each other. It's a mess, as 818 01:05:48.920 --> 01:05:53.159 far as I can tell. The only workable solution, and I'm surprised they 819 01:05:53.159 --> 01:05:58.239 haven't tweaked to it already. They've got to give Patrick McHenry, whom no 820 01:05:58.280 --> 01:06:02.920 one seems to dislike, he's a speaker pro tem. He has extremely limited 821 01:06:02.920 --> 01:06:06.519 powers as a temporary speaker. They need to pass some sort of resolution that 822 01:06:06.559 --> 01:06:12.239 gives him the powers to hold votes and get the government funded and get aid 823 01:06:12.280 --> 01:06:17.119 to Israel properly underway. That's that's my event. I'm kind of angry that 824 01:06:17.159 --> 01:06:20.639 they're angry. Steve. Yeah, well, so by the way, ye, 825 01:06:20.760 --> 01:06:24.480 Peter, you could have that letter solution of what was that? Patrick 826 01:06:24.519 --> 01:06:26.800 mc henry's at his name. By the way, I didn't know we had 827 01:06:26.800 --> 01:06:30.039 a speaker pro tem until this all happened, And apparently it's some very strange 828 01:06:30.119 --> 01:06:34.440 arrangement from the semi secret Order of succession in the event of a catastrophic terroor 829 01:06:34.519 --> 01:06:38.960 strike. Right, we've never needed one before except right, well, guess 830 01:06:39.039 --> 01:06:44.320 what the catastrophic terrorist strike was named? Matt Gates look, you know, 831 01:06:44.360 --> 01:06:46.280 I actually have a little more sympathy than you guys do for let's try a 832 01:06:46.320 --> 01:06:50.159 little chaos once in a while. However, by the way, I like 833 01:06:50.239 --> 01:06:53.880 Kevin McCarthy just fine. I thought that was dumb to throw him out. 834 01:06:53.880 --> 01:06:57.960 However, what we have right now is a de facto government shutdown. I'm 835 01:06:57.960 --> 01:07:00.440 just restating what you just said. Right. Second of all, we can 836 01:07:00.559 --> 01:07:06.639 have speaker temporary Speaker McHenry if twenty Democrats said yes tomorrow, right, let's 837 01:07:06.639 --> 01:07:11.320 remember that. And I think, by the way, Democrats may regret their 838 01:07:11.400 --> 01:07:15.559 opportunism and all this before long, because if we get to a real government 839 01:07:15.599 --> 01:07:20.719 shut down with you budgetary authority expiring here in three weeks. And I think, 840 01:07:20.719 --> 01:07:24.320 by the way, this puts a do Ukraine in jeopardy more than it 841 01:07:24.400 --> 01:07:28.159 might have been if you carried on with Speaker McCarthy. So I think there's 842 01:07:28.199 --> 01:07:30.800 going to be a pox in all our houses, not just Republicans, but 843 01:07:30.880 --> 01:07:33.599 I think some sober Democrats are going to have second thoughts on their own role 844 01:07:33.599 --> 01:07:38.760 in all this before it's all over, Sober Democrats. And with that faint, 845 01:07:38.800 --> 01:07:44.159 I know off before we go there, we want to tell you one 846 01:07:44.199 --> 01:07:47.320 thing and that is if you enjoyed this podcast, although enjoying really is the 847 01:07:47.360 --> 01:07:53.840 word. If you were struck and moved Bionica's testimony, the other Ricochet podcast 848 01:07:53.840 --> 01:07:56.920 network, and there are so many other podcasts here. What's bugging Me with 849 01:07:56.960 --> 01:08:00.000 Dennis Neil. He speaks to two women, a Jew and a Muslim, 850 01:08:00.519 --> 01:08:05.639 Tall Harcouve and Azra Nomani, and they discuss their fight against radical Islam and 851 01:08:05.679 --> 01:08:11.480 Jihadis and the horrible bowl of events that drove them to do what they do 852 01:08:11.559 --> 01:08:14.920 now. So that's something we wanted to tell you to walk listen to as 853 01:08:14.960 --> 01:08:18.600 well on the same subject. 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