1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:03,439 We have dressed in our best and are prepared to go down as gentleman, 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:07,679 as mister Coogan and I have said, as a Titanic foundered. Ask not 3 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:13,560 what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your 4 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:21,160 country. Mister Gorbachev, tear down this wall. It's the Ricaget Podcast with 5 00:00:21,199 --> 00:00:24,600 Peter Robinson and Stephen Hereward sitting in for rob Long. I'm James Blotle likes, 6 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:28,760 and today we doctor Daniel P. Goldman about China and Anaka Rostein recording 7 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:32,920 to us live in Jerusalem. So let's reverselves the podcast. War is already 8 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:36,439 hell. It should not be made worse by misreporting. But I fear that 9 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:41,039 on Tuesday the media made a bad situation worse. They actually did harm as 10 00:00:41,039 --> 00:00:44,520 opposed to trying to do the opposite. AMST is not divert or steal this 11 00:00:44,679 --> 00:00:49,359 shipment. These shipments, We're going to provide an opening for sustained delivery of 12 00:00:49,439 --> 00:00:55,719 life saving humanitarian assistants for the palest names. I say no US tax dollars 13 00:00:56,200 --> 00:01:00,759 to the Gaza strip. Welcome everybody. It's the Ricachet Podcast for six hundred 14 00:01:00,759 --> 00:01:03,719 and sixty three. Why don't you join us at ricoghet dot com and you 15 00:01:03,799 --> 00:01:06,879 too can be part of the most stimulating conversations in community on the web. 16 00:01:06,879 --> 00:01:10,040 And speaking of stimulating, here's Peter Robinson full of vim and vigor, and 17 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:12,840 Steveyward standing sitting in for rob Long, gentlemen, how are you today? 18 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:18,319 I'm very well. I'm curious, Steve, where are you? I'm actually 19 00:01:18,359 --> 00:01:22,280 in Munich, Germany, because Peter, unlike you, when I go overseas, 20 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:25,280 I can still function, whereas you can barely function even when you're home. 21 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:29,760 Personally true, I confess it, I confess it. Munich. What 22 00:01:29,799 --> 00:01:33,040 are you doing in Munich? Well, I'm on a few days of vacation. 23 00:01:33,239 --> 00:01:37,560 I spent a month in Budapest with John O'Sullivan AND's Mary Prankster's at the 24 00:01:37,599 --> 00:01:41,239 Danub Institute. And then I'm spending with my spouse as you did over the 25 00:01:41,239 --> 00:01:44,560 summer, a little bit of holiday in Austria, and now ending in Munich. 26 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:48,760 Spring time. Well at a time to be there. I know we've 27 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:52,760 seen the footage of the riots of the I think there was something I saw 28 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:59,400 in Berlin that was quite zesty. I saw some Dutch policemen who, using 29 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:02,519 only dix did a rather efficient job of moving people out of the airport where 30 00:02:02,519 --> 00:02:07,200 they were protesting, which is against the law. We haven't seen this sort 31 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:12,400 of anti submitting, i'm sorry, anti Zionist protests in Europe and sometime half 32 00:02:12,479 --> 00:02:16,159 we no if I can Sarah quick story. I took the train this morning 33 00:02:16,199 --> 00:02:21,759 from Saltzburg to Munich, and the train stopped at the German border, whereupon 34 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:27,360 they're entered a very large police force, must have been eight or ten officers 35 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:30,199 asked for passports, and so I look at mine and my wife's, and 36 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:36,639 then they looked at two pairs of Arab passengers in the same train car that 37 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:39,639 we were in, and they looked them over very hard, asking them where 38 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:44,159 they were coming from, where they were going, how long they were staying, 39 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:46,159 who they were staying with. Looks to me like they are on it, 40 00:02:46,319 --> 00:02:51,840 trying to stop a flood of any further agitators into German cities, and 41 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:54,439 I thought I've seen that before. Now we're at the curious point where we 42 00:02:54,479 --> 00:03:00,879 are applauding the notion of German officers, saying your papers police, right, 43 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:04,280 Yeah, it was unusual. I've never had that experience on a European train 44 00:03:04,319 --> 00:03:07,759 before. Peter, you've been probably front rowe to some of the academic disputes 45 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:09,520 that I've had. We'll get back to Steven in just a second here, 46 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:15,159 but I want to bring you in academia seems to be showing itself in many 47 00:03:15,199 --> 00:03:20,400 ways. All of these people who are signing letters and tweeting ill advised things 48 00:03:20,439 --> 00:03:24,560 and actually in some cases outside of academia, suffering consequences for it. Are 49 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:30,680 we seeing a revelation of what some believed to be a deep institutional rot in 50 00:03:30,719 --> 00:03:36,759 our educational system? And do you think that it will change anything in the 51 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:39,639 second week? This is my observation here at Stanford. It's a different kind 52 00:03:39,639 --> 00:03:45,159 of rot. The first week there were all kinds of anti Israel, pro 53 00:03:45,199 --> 00:03:49,759 Palestine protests, although, as I mentioned last weekend, Kandy Rice never had 54 00:03:49,759 --> 00:03:53,360 a finer moment. In the middle of these protests. Kandy went to White 55 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:55,240 Plaza, which is where the students hold their protests, and she climbed a 56 00:03:55,240 --> 00:04:01,400 set of stairs and he gave a marvelous little beach in favor of Israel and 57 00:04:01,479 --> 00:04:05,479 against brutality and just change the temper on the campus. In any event, 58 00:04:05,719 --> 00:04:11,360 That was week one. Here we are in week two and there's still anti 59 00:04:11,479 --> 00:04:15,759 Israel chalk marks here, there and everywhere. But the protests have died down, 60 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:19,920 and would you like to know why, Because these kids need grades, 61 00:04:20,639 --> 00:04:26,120 these kids need jobs. The kids have gone back to the classroom, and 62 00:04:26,199 --> 00:04:30,800 like Stanford students, they are extremely industrious and very serious about justifying the money 63 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:36,759 their parents are spending while they're here at Stanford. So first things first when 64 00:04:36,759 --> 00:04:43,639 it comes to students at fancy institutions, and the first things first, I'm 65 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:48,879 not entirely thrilled with this, the careerism, but that's for first things first 66 00:04:48,959 --> 00:04:54,800 is getting good grades so you can get a good job in the tech culture 67 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:59,920 that surrounds this campus. The one disconcerting note, actually I shouldn't say it 68 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:04,120 disconcerting. In a way, it's reassuring. But it's reassuring that the university 69 00:05:04,399 --> 00:05:08,319 is taking care of this. But at the Hillel House, there has been, 70 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:13,160 ever since the invasion, a permanent Stanford police presence. They've got a 71 00:05:13,199 --> 00:05:17,639 car parked very conspicuously, police cars parked very conspicuously in front of the Hillel 72 00:05:17,639 --> 00:05:23,360 House, and an officer there. Every time I've walked past, there's been 73 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:29,759 an officer standing just letting his presence be seen. Everything's quiet, cheerful. 74 00:05:29,759 --> 00:05:31,399 Students going in and out of Hillel House. They stopped and chatted with an 75 00:05:31,439 --> 00:05:36,639 officer, perfectly relaxed. Everything calm, but the police are there. Well, 76 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:41,279 you mentioned Peter students going back to the classroom, except last Friday. 77 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:46,759 Maybe you missed this. Stanford Law School last Friday moved all their classes onto 78 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:50,160 zoom because they thought it was not safe to hold classes in person because of 79 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:54,199 the whole atmosphere, a Stanford law which I think probably traces back to shouting 80 00:05:54,199 --> 00:05:57,959 down that federal judge a few months ago. Well, I was right on 81 00:05:57,959 --> 00:06:00,439 this campus and you were in Germany. You saw it. I missed it. 82 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:02,639 I confess I did miss that right. Well, there was also the 83 00:06:02,879 --> 00:06:06,279 I'm sure you must have heard the story of the U I guess it electur 84 00:06:06,439 --> 00:06:13,120 or teaching assistant who the Jewish students right, exhilarated. He was exhilarated by 85 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:18,079 the by the carnage. Oh that was the Cornell professor Jenial that this was 86 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:20,680 a person. And by the way, he's a product of the Berkeley Black 87 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:24,839 Studies Department. So you know, John, you and I are part owners 88 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:28,000 of this debacle in a certain way. He's the one who called out the 89 00:06:28,079 --> 00:06:30,560 Jewish students in class, told him to stand in the corner of the room, 90 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:34,040 stand closer in the corner and saying, this is what you were doing 91 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:39,279 to the Palestinians and gods in the West Bank. Uh, anyone ought to 92 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:42,639 say worse things from there. Now he's been suspended. How does a person 93 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:46,079 like this get fired? Or the person that you see Davis also a transgender 94 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:55,600 some kind of gender studies person who threatened on Twitter zionists favoring reporters saying we 95 00:06:55,639 --> 00:06:57,879 know where you live, we know your children go to school. You should 96 00:06:57,879 --> 00:07:00,839 fear us more than you fear you know if something rather and that person's been 97 00:07:00,879 --> 00:07:05,800 suspended too, I believe. But suspended suspense the usual phrase is suspended depending 98 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:12,439 an investigation. Instigation unbelievable. What's to investigate? Don't forget that the message 99 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:15,360 that you the last one you referenced, had Twitter emojis of a knife and 100 00:07:15,439 --> 00:07:19,959 drop some blood. So this could reasonably, you know. Here and here 101 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:23,360 we get inevitably to the point where somebody says, well, I thought you 102 00:07:23,399 --> 00:07:27,160 guys on the right war against cancel culture. I think we when it all 103 00:07:27,199 --> 00:07:32,240 boils down to what we're against is people being losing their job because they misgendered 104 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:38,879 somebody, or told an off color joke, or were accused of of of 105 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:43,120 clumsy behavior on a date seven years ago, things like that, which which 106 00:07:43,199 --> 00:07:46,079 seem to be offenses that we can work through without people losing their livelihood. 107 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:49,399 What we're talking here is a line, another side of a line which is 108 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:57,040 praising barbarism and justifying barbarism. And that when you start to talk about when 109 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:00,079 you're a doctor or your teacher, or you're a dentist or something like that, 110 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:01,839 and he started vilifying an entire group of people and tell and saying that 111 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:07,040 Hitler didn't go far enough. I don't think that's cancel culture. I think 112 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:09,839 that's what the left always said. It's it's the consequences of your actions. 113 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:13,519 And in this case, we see that the speech that we were previously told 114 00:08:13,639 --> 00:08:16,959 was violence, such as you know, a Yale professor telling a student to 115 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:22,000 not really get their undies in a bundle when it came to cultural appropriation of 116 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:26,639 Halloween costumes. That was violence. But but we know where you live, 117 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:31,079 and you know where your kids go to school. Stabby stabbing blood blood that 118 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:35,320 actually smears more into the violence category. I think than telling somebody on campus 119 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:41,360 to grow up. Yeah. Amen, Well, there we have it. 120 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:45,159 We've settled everything. We're all in the Peter somehow turned his microphone off. 121 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:48,320 I see his lips moving, but no sound is coming out. Well, 122 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:52,799 I'll just add well Peter is having his usual technical difficulties. Hold on, 123 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:56,840 hold on, I can't go. I thought, I just thought Ben Sas 124 00:08:56,919 --> 00:09:00,840 got the right for him. Leave it to Ben's to get the right formulation 125 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:05,200 that as president of the University of He's put out a statement saying that the 126 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:09,320 Constitution, so he's admitting that the First Amendment extends to the University of Florida. 127 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:16,679 The Constitution protects the right of everyone to make an abject idiot of himself. 128 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:20,039 That was the phrase, abject idiot. But then in the next paragraph 129 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:24,720 he went on to say, however, violence is completely unacceptable, and we 130 00:09:24,759 --> 00:09:26,840 will and the campus police here at the University of Florida will be watching. 131 00:09:28,159 --> 00:09:31,919 That struck me as just right, say what you want, no matter how 132 00:09:31,039 --> 00:09:37,600 stupid, brutal, misguided. But the moment there's any hint of violence, 133 00:09:37,799 --> 00:09:41,360 it stops. Okay, So here's the follow on to that story. The 134 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:45,120 University of Florida faculty has now said whoa whoa, whoa, wha whah whah 135 00:09:45,159 --> 00:09:48,799 whall wait a moment, that was a that statement was too strongly worded. 136 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:52,799 That statement in favor of free speech actually discourages free speech. Unbelievable. It 137 00:09:52,879 --> 00:09:56,320 is just unbelievable. Yeah, all right, that's all. 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David, welcome, we've been 164 00:11:48,279 --> 00:11:50,879 talking about the Middle East and the American reaction to it. But of course 165 00:11:50,919 --> 00:11:54,679 it's big world, and China is a player in it. As we're discussing 166 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:58,480 how Putin is looking at this, how other countries. China certainly has got 167 00:11:58,519 --> 00:12:01,600 something to get get out of this, and some people are worried the China 168 00:12:01,639 --> 00:12:07,080 will be meddlesome because they want to stretch American capabilities beyond what we can do, 169 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:09,600 so that they can stroll in or assimilate, or take or just do 170 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:13,559 what they want to do with Taiwan or elsewhere. In a recent column in 171 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:18,720 The Asia Times underspenter, you had some doubts about this, So walk us 172 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:22,120 through what you think in China's position is going forward in this new conflict, 173 00:12:22,639 --> 00:12:30,360 China is being opportunistic and trying to damage American interest because it's convinced that the 174 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:35,879 United States wants to do substantial damage to the Chinese economy and hold back China's 175 00:12:35,919 --> 00:12:43,720 development. This occurred last week. Of course, the Commerce Department propagated a 176 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:50,919 new set of rules against chip technology sales to China. To give an idea 177 00:12:50,919 --> 00:12:56,879 of the extent of this, in Nvidia book, five billion dollars worth of 178 00:12:56,240 --> 00:13:03,720 orders for artificial intelligence chips to Chinese buyers, and that's only directly. There 179 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:07,720 are many shipments through third parties which are not included in that. So China 180 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:15,519 has just been denied what five billion dollars worth of chips, and they're furious 181 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:18,360 about it. So the United States and China have been at dagger's drawn over 182 00:13:18,399 --> 00:13:22,840 a number of issues. I think Taiwan is not going to come into place 183 00:13:22,879 --> 00:13:28,440 soon for a number of reasons that we can discuss. But absolutely China is 184 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:35,240 using the discomfiture of the United States and the surge of anti Israeli sentiment in 185 00:13:35,279 --> 00:13:39,200 the Muslim world, in the globe and parts of the Global South to win 186 00:13:39,279 --> 00:13:43,919 points against the United States. And since Israel is an American ally, Israel 187 00:13:43,039 --> 00:13:46,440 is in the middle and getting beaten up by China, which is something Israel 188 00:13:46,519 --> 00:13:54,639 never wanted. That Yahoo very publicly try to pursue a somewhat independent policy towards 189 00:13:54,759 --> 00:13:58,080 China. At the end of last June, for example, he announced a 190 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:03,639 trip to China. Israel has had an all this investment and a great deal 191 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:07,559 of trade with China and wanted to keep that up. So this is not 192 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:15,720 and is really an initiative by any means it's the Chinese deciding to make trouble 193 00:14:15,799 --> 00:14:20,159 for the United States by going after its an ally, and that's most unfortunate 194 00:14:20,759 --> 00:14:26,440 for Israel. David, Could I'm trying to get in before your co conspirators, 195 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:30,200 Steve Hayward gets in. The two of you know each other too well. 196 00:14:30,799 --> 00:14:33,840 I'm suspicious of what might happen if you start talking. Could I just 197 00:14:33,919 --> 00:14:39,159 ask the threshold question a threshold question, at least as I try to grapp 198 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:46,120 with all of this. China has done very very well in the last thirty 199 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:54,120 or forty years in the world system that the United States and its allies constructed. 200 00:14:54,919 --> 00:15:00,720 They have lifted hundreds of millions of people out of real poverty. They've 201 00:15:00,759 --> 00:15:05,519 achieved a middle class of what one hundred and fifty million I've read varying estimates. 202 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:11,840 There are now Chinese billionaires. They have a real tech industry, they 203 00:15:11,919 --> 00:15:18,000 lead the world in manufacturing. And all of this has happened within the international 204 00:15:18,039 --> 00:15:26,000 system that we built. Why does Yuxinping want to take it down? What? 205 00:15:26,279 --> 00:15:31,360 Truly? What does he think he's doing? The Chinese view is that 206 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:35,519 the United States changed the rules of the rules based in international order, and 207 00:15:35,559 --> 00:15:43,879 those rules included free exchange in technology, particularly semiconductors. Remember, China is 208 00:15:43,919 --> 00:15:50,559 the world's largest market for semiconductors. It imported several years ago nearly four hundred 209 00:15:50,639 --> 00:16:00,879 billion dollars worth of semiconductors, and the United States in twenty twenty determined that 210 00:16:00,039 --> 00:16:06,240 it did not want China to reach past a certain point in development and cut 211 00:16:06,279 --> 00:16:12,120 off the availability of high end shifts, first Huawei and then in October twenty 212 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:21,600 twenty, reinforced by last week's measures to all of China on the grounds that 213 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:26,039 China might leap ahead of the United States and artificial intelligence with economic and military 214 00:16:26,039 --> 00:16:33,320 applications. So the United States wanted to hold China back, and China's response 215 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:40,720 to that is that the United States is trying to ruin our economy. Now 216 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:45,759 there are knutballs on both sides who are pushing us into a confrontation. There 217 00:16:45,879 --> 00:16:52,879 is a minority of American politicians who want to push for Taiwanese independents, such 218 00:16:52,919 --> 00:16:57,879 as a small group of Republican congressmen who promoted that the Chinese will go to 219 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:04,799 war over the issue of Taiwanese sovereignty. That's tripwire. The vast majority of 220 00:17:04,839 --> 00:17:11,839 the American foreign policy establishment as well as Donald Trump, are against dancing too 221 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:17,839 close to that third rail. And they're also knuckballs in China who think that 222 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:23,559 imperialism has to be destroyed. Those are minorities, but the American consensus has 223 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:30,319 pushed China into an oppositional position where the Chinese view, to summarize, is 224 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:34,559 that we had a rules based international order and the United States unilaterally changed. 225 00:17:34,799 --> 00:17:38,759 Well, Kenna, isn't it obvious that the Chinese were cheating and violating that 226 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:48,400 rules based national order every single day? The massive illegal transfers of intellectual property. 227 00:17:48,839 --> 00:17:52,799 I mean, my question would be, if I may rephrase my question, 228 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:59,720 since the international order treats them so well, why do they violate it? 229 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:03,000 Your mind? Quite? I mean, any fair reading of the circumstances 230 00:18:03,039 --> 00:18:07,440 has to say that what the Biden administration has done and cutting off certain kinds 231 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:14,599 of chips is retaliatory and late at the retaliation. Isn't that right? Or 232 00:18:14,599 --> 00:18:17,319 do you want to argue that we're making a terrible mistake the way we did 233 00:18:17,319 --> 00:18:19,759 when we the way some argue we did when we cut off oil to Japan, 234 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:26,279 we're forcing them into a box. Well, what we're forcing them into 235 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:32,119 is a massive national effort to duplicate all the technology of these to buy from 236 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:37,359 US, which could lead to a glut of semiconductors and a situation in which 237 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:45,200 China is better placed to win a price war in a saturated market than we 238 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:49,119 are. That could backfire. I don't think China is going to launch a 239 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:55,160 missiles ass the way the Japanese attack pro harbor over chips. It's not at 240 00:18:55,200 --> 00:19:03,559 all an analogous situation. The Chinese are certainly serial feeves of technology, and 241 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:07,440 China the opposite of wrong is poor. They steal from each other, They 242 00:19:07,519 --> 00:19:12,640 steal from us and anyone they can. It is a predatory system. Nonetheless, 243 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:21,839 we're at a point where the Chinese are now not dependent on stealing technology, 244 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:26,480 and they're developing their own. Huawei has one hundred thousand research personnel, 245 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:33,720 spends more money on R and D than Microsoft's or Google. I've toured their 246 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:37,680 research facilities, I've met with many of their researchers, a large part of 247 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:41,079 whom, by the way, are not Americans, Europeans, Australians and so 248 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:45,400 forth, and not Chinese. So the point at which the United States panicked 249 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:56,839 about China's technological impulse was when China showed its internal capacity to generate R and 250 00:19:56,920 --> 00:20:02,880 D breakthroughs. Remember, China now dominates two high tech industries. One is 251 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:11,359 a telecom infrastructure five G communications and so on, and secondly electric vehicles. 252 00:20:11,759 --> 00:20:15,359 That's an important industry. China is by far the biggest player in the auto 253 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:19,960 industry, the world's biggest manufacturing industry, and their best position at the technological 254 00:20:21,039 --> 00:20:26,920 frontier. China now has more robots per industrial worker than the United States does 255 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:33,799 and a bubble. China advances in the applications of artificial intelligence to manufacturing, 256 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:40,279 transportation, logistics, and so forth are way ahead of ours. It you'll 257 00:20:40,319 --> 00:20:47,480 pardon me one number. Whilwei claims they have ten thousand customers for their AI 258 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:52,640 systems in manufacturing. I spoke to one of the three major telcodes in the 259 00:20:52,799 --> 00:20:57,599 US and ask them how they stand, and this particular telco said they at 260 00:20:57,599 --> 00:21:06,720 this point they have no industrial customers for five these systems, So it's complicated. 261 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:10,359 A retaliatory, Yes, we could call it retaliatory, but that's not 262 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:17,279 what we're responded to respond to Chinese endogenous innovation, which threatens to leave us 263 00:21:17,319 --> 00:21:22,960 behind in certain strategically critical areas. I hate to interrupt and maybe if you've 264 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,720 been nodding off, which is unlikely given this conversation, But you know, 265 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:30,319 sometimes you get that little point in the day we feel a little sleepy. 266 00:21:30,759 --> 00:21:33,279 You didn't sleep well last night, did you? 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They're 299 00:23:51,559 --> 00:23:56,759 worried that they're close to perhaps a catastrophic recession like the Japanese had thirty years 300 00:23:56,799 --> 00:24:00,680 ago. I guess, and first of all, what did you assessment of 301 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,440 the Chinese economy at the current time, and what are risks not only to 302 00:24:03,519 --> 00:24:08,359 our own economy and the global economic cycle, but also what political effects that 303 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:15,920 might have on China if their long run of economic prosperity hits a wall. 304 00:24:15,319 --> 00:24:22,720 China has one big problem. They have to transform their economy fundamentally from what 305 00:24:23,559 --> 00:24:30,119 Dung Shaoping created in the reforms of nineteen to seventy nine. Dung did one 306 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:34,480 thing, which is to take dirt farmers and tournaments of semi skilled manufacturing workers 307 00:24:36,839 --> 00:24:41,480 the workforce that Dung had to deploy in the nineteen eighties, when China began 308 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:47,839 its great run of growth, had a tertiary education rate of three percent. 309 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:52,319 They were cheap labor that took a lot of American jobs and other jobs away. 310 00:24:53,079 --> 00:24:59,000 Now that great migration, seven hundred million people have moved from countryside to 311 00:24:59,039 --> 00:25:03,480 city, there are that many people left to move. The semi skilled industrial 312 00:25:03,519 --> 00:25:08,680 model is past. It's used by date, and either they move to a 313 00:25:08,799 --> 00:25:14,920 high tech industrial model or they go through a major crisis. So the entire 314 00:25:15,039 --> 00:25:22,279 emphasis of the Chinese government has been to develop what they call the Fourth Industrial 315 00:25:22,319 --> 00:25:26,400 Revolution. That's a lousy phrase. They stole from the World Economic Form. 316 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:30,480 Another example the technology effect, but what it means is the application of artificial 317 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:37,640 intelligence to industrial automation. They've had mixed success. They've done some very impressive 318 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:41,319 things, as I mentioned, an auto, telecom and so forth. I 319 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,279 could give you some examples. I was in China and saw some of them 320 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:51,000 recently. Their tertiary education rate is not three percent Underdune, it's sixty four 321 00:25:51,079 --> 00:25:56,480 percent. It's about equal to Germany. They graduate one point four million engineers 322 00:25:56,480 --> 00:26:03,640 a year, and they need to redirect the capital of the country into this 323 00:26:03,759 --> 00:26:10,880 industrial project. Now for the past thirty years, the savings of the Chinese 324 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:15,480 people have gone mainly into real estate. Seventy percent of the assets of Chinese 325 00:26:15,519 --> 00:26:18,960 households are in real estate. That's created a bubble in some of the major 326 00:26:19,039 --> 00:26:23,799 cities and a huge deformation of the Chinese economy. Real estate is a quarter 327 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:29,039 of GDP. They've got to reduce that. So for the past two or 328 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:34,440 three years they've been tightening credit and restricting activity in the real estate sector to 329 00:26:34,599 --> 00:26:40,759 pop the bubble, and that's produced a lot of pain. They've managed to 330 00:26:40,799 --> 00:26:47,319 have sluggish but still positive growth for the last year while they go through that 331 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:52,880 Namathur organization, and so far I don't believe they have a crisis. They 332 00:26:52,920 --> 00:27:00,200 simply have the mother of all hangovers. After this thirty year spring on real 333 00:27:00,279 --> 00:27:06,079 estate, can they make the transition? I don't know. They've made progress 334 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,599 in some areas, less progress than others, but that's the nature of the 335 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,799 problem. Right now. I don't see a crisis. I just see a 336 00:27:11,839 --> 00:27:18,559 somewhat luggish economy. Jobs are scars from some places. People are complaining, 337 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:23,200 but most people are working. Most people are making good money. Real wages 338 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:30,599 are going up, and I don't see a political problem. Yet it could 339 00:27:30,759 --> 00:27:37,519 turn bad, but so far they've been able to keep the balancing at going. 340 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,880 I mean, in America, when we say that fifty percent of my 341 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,599 net worth is in real estate, we mean our house perhaps, or a 342 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:48,039 place down the street that we bought and rent out. In China, as 343 00:27:48,079 --> 00:27:49,279 I understand it, and gregt me if I'm wrong, a lot of this 344 00:27:49,519 --> 00:27:53,680 is just investment in a property that is a place in the sky. It's 345 00:27:53,680 --> 00:28:02,000 not finished, it doesn't have the appointments. It's just investment in a complex 346 00:28:02,039 --> 00:28:07,480 which itself is completely unoccupied. So there's this sort of ghost building, ghost 347 00:28:07,559 --> 00:28:12,480 cities problem that can be exaggerated. When you move seven hundred million people, 348 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:18,039 you build homes for seven hundred million people, if you have a five or 349 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:25,079 ten percent error rate, you're going to have tens of millions of unoccupied houses. 350 00:28:25,319 --> 00:28:29,799 And it's also the case that typically between sale of a house and occupancy 351 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:34,880 in China, there is about two or three years of improvements that need to 352 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,200 be made. So yes, there are a lot of unoccupied houses, but 353 00:28:38,279 --> 00:28:45,160 there's also an enormous pent up demand for houses. This generation of Chinese that 354 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,880 went from living with a dirt floor in an outhouse to having central heating and 355 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:56,519 plumbing but a very small apartment, so there is a great deal of pentive 356 00:28:56,519 --> 00:29:00,480 demand for more space. I don't think that. I think the ghost cities 357 00:29:00,599 --> 00:29:07,519 argument it reflects a problem, but it's exaggerated. Basic problem is in America 358 00:29:07,599 --> 00:29:11,839 is something like forty percent of household assets and gen pension funds and everything else 359 00:29:11,359 --> 00:29:17,160 are in corporate ASID stocks and bonds we invest in America. In China it's 360 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:22,640 perhaps eight percent, and the Chinese government has to convince the Chinese people to 361 00:29:22,799 --> 00:29:30,960 invest in its high tech industrial project as opposed to in houses. If they 362 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:36,119 want to make this transition, it's not going to be an easy thing to 363 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:41,599 do, and it's probably two years of a sluggish and unpleasant economy at least 364 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:45,759 before they turn the corner, if indeed they do. All right, David, 365 00:29:45,839 --> 00:29:48,720 let me ask you about Israel, and the problem is, I don't 366 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:52,519 know where to begin or end. So let me just ask you to give 367 00:29:52,599 --> 00:30:00,279 us your two top observations or concerns about whether it's the disposition of is capabilities 368 00:30:00,279 --> 00:30:04,680 to subdue Gaza or whether they should attack Hesbala first. I don't know. 369 00:30:04,799 --> 00:30:08,319 Just give me your top two things on your mind. On the Israeli scene 370 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:15,799 right now, Urban warfare is a horrible and nasty business. There's no way 371 00:30:15,839 --> 00:30:22,640 to neutralize Hamas without going in underground, and Hamas has had sixteen years to 372 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:26,440 dig in, including building a tunnel system that's probably larger than the London Metro 373 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:34,359 in terms of length. So doing this would without doubt involve a lot of 374 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:40,079 Israeli casualties and a very large amount of collateral damage, by which I mean 375 00:30:40,119 --> 00:30:47,759 civilian cancers. If you look at the mass demonstrations in Europe against European governments 376 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:53,799 by Muslims and their sympathizers, the amount of political blowback that Israel will get 377 00:30:55,319 --> 00:31:02,200 if it follows this policy is frightening. It's a very difficult line to walk. 378 00:31:03,359 --> 00:31:07,200 And my second problem is that if Israel looks weak, no one in 379 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:11,799 the Muslim world will want to negotiate with it. No one likes Israel. 380 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:17,319 The Saudis and others are willing to negotiate with Israel because Israel looked strong, 381 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:21,920 and if Israel does nothing, it will look weak and its position will deteriorate. 382 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:29,079 So either alternative is going to entail terrible costs, and I think they'll 383 00:31:29,119 --> 00:31:33,440 take the first with all the attendant costs as bloody and unpleasant as it will 384 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:41,119 be. Very simple question here, is there any solution. I'm hesitant to 385 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:45,680 use the word solution because really it suggests something that can a problem that can 386 00:31:45,759 --> 00:31:52,839 be solved, and we're dealing with human societies. There are trade offs. 387 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:59,000 As Tom Soul said, there are no solutions, only trade offs. Does 388 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:04,559 has the moment come when Israel and the United States have no choice but to 389 00:32:04,599 --> 00:32:08,720 take out the Iranian nuclear facilities or to attempt to do so. I don't 390 00:32:08,759 --> 00:32:13,680 know, and I have no comment on that because I don't have a technological 391 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:22,480 reading on this. Taking out Iran would lead to all kinds of chaotic developments, 392 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:27,720 and I'm not willing to recommend it without having access to intelligence about their 393 00:32:27,799 --> 00:32:32,519 state of nuclear development. I think the core problem in the Middle East goes 394 00:32:32,599 --> 00:32:37,279 back to nineteen forty eight, when you had roughly equal numbers of Jews and 395 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:44,519 Arabs expelled respectively from Jewish and Muslim zones. The Jews, of course, 396 00:32:44,599 --> 00:32:52,000 absorbed eight hundred thousand refugees expelled from Muslim countries, so Israel's Jewish population went 397 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,519 from six hundred and thirty thousand in nineteen forty eight to five to one point 398 00:32:55,640 --> 00:33:02,480 six million. In nineteen fifty five, no Arab country accepted Arab refugees. 399 00:33:02,559 --> 00:33:07,559 They turned into the Palestinian people by being dumped in camps as a bargaining chip 400 00:33:08,319 --> 00:33:15,319 against Israel. When Saudi Arabia appeared poised a sign a peace agreement with Israel, 401 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:20,400 that would have meant that the refugees had become irrelevant. And I believe 402 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:24,160 that's why Hamask wants the attacks of what it did to stop those negotiations, 403 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:30,960 and they did it effectively and they succeeded. So this is a victory for 404 00:33:30,039 --> 00:33:37,240 hamas they maintained the relevancy of the Palestinian refugee problem. The ideal solution would 405 00:33:37,279 --> 00:33:40,839 be for Gaza to be incorporated into Egypt. Let the Egyptians deal with it 406 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:45,839 great a national boundary, solve the refugee problem by making them citizens of a 407 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:52,400 nation state which is responsible for security. That's not good to happen because they're 408 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,640 going to be an effective cudgel to be used. Her hereditary status of being 409 00:33:55,680 --> 00:34:00,039 a refugee never resolved, but I was useful when some needs to be derailed 410 00:34:00,079 --> 00:34:02,720 or some well, the rest of it. David we thank you for joining 411 00:34:02,759 --> 00:34:07,039 us in the podcast today. David Goldman is spangler column appears in Asia Times 412 00:34:07,079 --> 00:34:12,000 and he's the author of it. 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Thank 447 00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,920 you your Twitter page. You have images that the world needs to see and 448 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:12,000 that the world would prefer to turn away from. All the things that are 449 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,199 coming out left in the wake of October seventh attack, and we see more 450 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:19,800 and more and more. Tell us about your day there at the Kabbutz. 451 00:37:21,079 --> 00:37:24,079 Well, it was the longest day. As some of you know. I've 452 00:37:24,639 --> 00:37:30,000 had the pleasure of being on your podcast before, and sometimes I've been on 453 00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:35,480 from well usually i'm on from one of the conflict zones of the world, 454 00:37:35,519 --> 00:37:44,360 and it turns out it's very very different when it's family. And I'm usually 455 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,280 very proud of not being scared of things, but this morning I was genuinely 456 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:53,000 frightened to go see for myself the things that you know, I've been like 457 00:37:53,039 --> 00:37:57,920 any other Jew in the diaspora before. Now I'm in Jerusalem and I came 458 00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:01,360 here after the Mass, but before that, I'm sitting there doom scrolling and 459 00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:06,639 I'm seeing all the videos and I'm crying and I'm anxious. But when you 460 00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,639 go for yourself and you see for yourself, it's it's a hole that I 461 00:38:09,679 --> 00:38:15,639 was very worried about falling into, and that I was right to worry. 462 00:38:15,679 --> 00:38:21,239 But but I'm glad i went, if that makes sense. I was able 463 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,639 to speak to the rescue personnel there, the Zaka, we're basically the forensic 464 00:38:24,679 --> 00:38:31,360 teen in Israel, and they told me stories that you know, no person 465 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:38,360 can never forget of women pregnant women whose stomachs were cut open and breast were 466 00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:44,679 cut off, and babies with hatchets in their head, babies that were tortured, 467 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:51,719 babies that were tied together and burned alive. And then you walk around. 468 00:38:52,079 --> 00:38:54,199 I was able to walk around house to house to house to house, 469 00:38:54,239 --> 00:39:00,199 and because of the situation and because it's still chaotic, Yes, most the 470 00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:06,480 bodies have been taken away, but there's no cleanup yet, which means that 471 00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:13,159 you smell it before you see it, and it hits you with all the 472 00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:17,760 senses, and of course you know as a Jew, it's it's impossible not 473 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:24,519 to feel as if, bizarrely you're standing in the Holocaust. And I had 474 00:39:24,519 --> 00:39:29,000 to call my Rabbi in the middle of it, and I haven't prayed in 475 00:39:29,039 --> 00:39:31,840 a long time, and I said, I don't know what to do because 476 00:39:32,079 --> 00:39:37,079 a part of me just wants to kill somebody. I'm so angry. I'm 477 00:39:37,119 --> 00:39:40,440 filled with such rage, and yet I can't. So all I know how 478 00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:44,400 to do is pray. And I said, send me some to Helen, 479 00:39:44,519 --> 00:39:49,840 send me some psalms because I want to stand in this unholy place and pray, 480 00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,599 because I don't know what to do. Anika, you're in Jerusalem now, 481 00:39:52,639 --> 00:39:59,159 as I understand it, Jerusalem is feels relatively relatively safe. But it's 482 00:39:59,199 --> 00:40:02,400 a small country, and Americans, I at least, am always surprised by 483 00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:07,880 how small it feels when you're there. From Jerusalem where you are right now, 484 00:40:08,519 --> 00:40:15,519 and that's a safe place to thet kibutsum that we're attacked, to the 485 00:40:15,559 --> 00:40:20,360 site of the big dance or rave where a slaughter took place. What is 486 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:25,159 the distance two hours by car. Okay at a leisurely pace. Israel is 487 00:40:25,679 --> 00:40:30,760 tiny, you know, it's like it's not even an American states, right, 488 00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:35,719 So the distance and when you say, okay, Jerusalem is safe, 489 00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:43,639 yes, relatively, but also Jerusalem is a mixed city. Everybody is incredibly 490 00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,679 test. I was here in March and I was doing the usual hanging out 491 00:40:46,679 --> 00:40:51,000 with my friends, and we drink a lot of good wine and a lot 492 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:52,320 of good meats. You know, we walk around in the city. None 493 00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:59,280 of that is here. Now. What we do is we sit and we 494 00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:04,079 we ask our use when when is it coming? We know it's coming right 495 00:41:04,159 --> 00:41:08,440 when the war is breaking out in Earnest Is it opening on one front? 496 00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:14,639 Is Cusbola gonna as a lot of us suspect when we go in on the 497 00:41:14,679 --> 00:41:16,519 ground, it is cus Bela and Iran going to attack from the north, 498 00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:22,840 which means that we're in at least the two front war right at the same 499 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:24,920 time, in a tiny country. So the first thing, I mean, 500 00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:30,400 I'm staying at a hotel. Everywhere it says mahmud, you know, shelter 501 00:41:30,559 --> 00:41:34,519 bomb, shelter. We The first thing you do is you check, okay, 502 00:41:34,599 --> 00:41:37,119 on my floor, where's the bombshell because we know it's it's tomorrow morning, 503 00:41:37,119 --> 00:41:40,199 it's the next day, but we're gonna have to run. And on 504 00:41:40,199 --> 00:41:45,559 my way back from from the south today sirens, you get out of the 505 00:41:45,599 --> 00:41:49,760 car, you lay on the ground. This is this is the life now 506 00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:55,840 in Jerusalem is supposedly, supposedly or relatively safe place, right because also you 507 00:41:55,880 --> 00:42:01,239 know, I'm sure that you've discussed this at length, but we thought we 508 00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:07,119 did not realize or at least there was a significant intelligence failure at some point, 509 00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,800 and Hamas is not is not as weak as we had hopes. The 510 00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:14,960 you know, the sirens are going off in Tel Aviv, they're going off 511 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:16,760 in Jerusalem, they're going off in the south, they're going off in the 512 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:24,239 north. This is terror and anika. I'm struck. Population of Israel is 513 00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:30,920 about nine million. Standing army typically of about one hundred thousand. Reservists have 514 00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:35,840 been called up of three hundred and sixty thousand, which puts the number of 515 00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:40,440 people bearing arms on the ground at four hundred and sixty thousand. The active 516 00:42:40,519 --> 00:42:45,400 duty United States Army is only four hundred and forty thousand, so in a 517 00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:51,400 nation of nine million, four hundred and sixty thousand people called up to military 518 00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:58,239 service. Quite apart from the military situation, they place that must leave shops 519 00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:02,599 without attendance. I mean it has to be visible everywhere the people who were 520 00:43:02,639 --> 00:43:07,480 engaged. That's what I was getting. What does it feel like? It's 521 00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:12,000 you know, it's it's the simple things as the night I arrived. And 522 00:43:12,039 --> 00:43:15,800 of course I'm always excited to be able to go eat kosher food or you 523 00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:19,840 know, being an israel like it. It's an exciting experience. But even 524 00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,880 at the hotel, the answer now is sorry, we don't have it because 525 00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:27,119 of the situation. Sorry, we don't do this because of the situation. 526 00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:32,840 There is, there's no stat everybody. You see it everywhere, every able 527 00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:38,840 bodied man is in the army. Now everybody I know is either in the 528 00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:44,360 army or has said goodbye to their husband, their brother, their father, 529 00:43:44,559 --> 00:43:49,559 their you know, to go to the army. You drive around, I 530 00:43:49,639 --> 00:43:53,360 drove from Jerusalem to the south. What you see are not cars going to 531 00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:58,440 work or you know, going to visit friends. What you see is military. 532 00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:05,360 You meet the military h and you feel it. It's it's an interesting 533 00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,079 sense for a Jew, because of course we tell stories, that's what Jews 534 00:44:08,159 --> 00:44:13,760 do. And of my generation. I was raised in a generation where we 535 00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:17,679 told the stories of our grandparents and you know, the time that changed the 536 00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:22,760 world for the Jews, the Jewish world right. And I was sitting with 537 00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,239 my friends here yesterday and we said, do you realize that we're now in 538 00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:30,800 those shivering few days before we're in those times? We're about to live in 539 00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:36,920 the times that our grandchildren speak about, the times that change, you know, 540 00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,920 the status quo that changed the history of the Jews. Never would we 541 00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:44,719 have imagined. You feel it on every stream corner, You feel it everywhere, 542 00:44:45,079 --> 00:44:47,679 and you also feel the tension between Jews and Arabs. I have one 543 00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:52,280 I have one more question before James and Steve come in, and it's this. 544 00:44:54,480 --> 00:45:02,719 I have been watching it that closely. But my impress is that the 545 00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:13,599 traffic, the Jewish traffic in Bengurian Airport is inbound rather than outbound. That 546 00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:19,320 lots of American Jews, lots of Jews from Europe lots is an odd way 547 00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:22,320 of putting it. Because of the way the twentieth century turned out, there 548 00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:28,280 aren't as many as Jews as there should be, but Jews are flying too 549 00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:32,119 Israel to be there, and the younger ones, the more able bodied, 550 00:45:32,119 --> 00:45:38,039 are flying to Israel to fight. And I have not been aware of streams 551 00:45:38,079 --> 00:45:44,679 of mothers and children or old people lining up at Bengurian to get out of 552 00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:50,800 the country to safety. Am I generally correct about this? You're absolutely correct 553 00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:55,280 today. I check the numbers today, two hundred thousand Jews out of a 554 00:45:55,320 --> 00:46:02,239 population of nine million have returned to fight. And I said to you know, 555 00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:07,639 when as I left on Thursday, I said, I live in Ghana 556 00:46:07,679 --> 00:46:09,599 now and I work in Ghana, and my employees were very puzzled by the 557 00:46:09,599 --> 00:46:14,039 fact that I wanted to go home to go to Israel during the war, 558 00:46:14,519 --> 00:46:16,440 and I said, I wish for you, and even more so, I 559 00:46:16,519 --> 00:46:22,239 wish for the Western world to have what we have. These are dark, 560 00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:25,760 dark times for the Jewish people. But my God, am I proud and 561 00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:30,480 happy to be a Jew because we do not sit and say, oh, 562 00:46:30,519 --> 00:46:35,280 somebody else has got this, so I can go about my day, or 563 00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:37,800 even worse, you know, say oh he's got this, and then we 564 00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:42,119 complain about how how he's doing it. We all do. We all come 565 00:46:42,199 --> 00:46:45,639 home and we all have this sense, almost childlike that when something is wrong 566 00:46:45,679 --> 00:46:49,639 in the world, where do we want to go? We come home, 567 00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:53,000 and I didn't know what I was going to do here. I didn't know 568 00:46:53,079 --> 00:46:55,760 how I was going to help. But I know that there's no other place 569 00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:00,800 that I can be right now than home, because my people are hurting, 570 00:47:01,079 --> 00:47:06,000 my people are bleeding. We're about to face one of the greatest battles that 571 00:47:06,039 --> 00:47:08,960 we faced in fifty years or even more. And this is a pivotal time 572 00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:14,000 for the Jewish people and Wese. We come home. Well this year, 573 00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:17,000 this year, in Jerusalem, this year, I'm in. I'm in, 574 00:47:17,159 --> 00:47:22,079 I'm in exactly. Oh yeah, Stephen, Oh that's good. It's Steve 575 00:47:22,119 --> 00:47:25,960 Hayward talking to you tonight from Munich, Germany. Actually, and wow, 576 00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:31,840 I see. I hope I can get through my question. You know, 577 00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:36,400 I'm not Jewish, but I always understood growing up, would never forget meant. 578 00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:39,360 And of course one thing is our member is coming here to Munich as 579 00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:43,719 a teenager forty years ago and doing what American tourists did. I went and 580 00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:47,559 visited doc Ow. I'm not sure Americans are doing that anymore. I hope 581 00:47:47,559 --> 00:47:51,920 they are. I don't know. I was struck by the way. It's 582 00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,559 just, you know, an impressional teenager that the German bus driver who pointed 583 00:47:54,679 --> 00:48:00,760 where we wanted to go was clearly ashamed as you should have been, right. 584 00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:02,800 I mean, we go through that for a long time, but and 585 00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:08,039 now suddenly the point is it seems that people have forgotten or are willfully forgetting. 586 00:48:08,039 --> 00:48:12,679 I mean, the thing that outrages me so much is you know these 587 00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:15,559 you've heard the stories we were talked about that earlier in the show, the 588 00:48:15,679 --> 00:48:22,719 tenured professors on campus openly siding with hamas right, in other words, from 589 00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:24,960 the river to the sea, it may as well be seguile. And I've 590 00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:30,480 been saying for a long time that I've been talking about American universities as our 591 00:48:30,519 --> 00:48:34,039 East German universities. Well now that's becoming more literally true, because you know, 592 00:48:34,119 --> 00:48:37,079 as German universities ninety years ago, we're an awful lot of the vileness 593 00:48:37,119 --> 00:48:44,360 and anti semitism spread as official intellectual doctrine. Okay, enough of a rant. 594 00:48:46,519 --> 00:48:50,280 What are you hearing about the hostages? Doesn't seem to be a lot 595 00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:53,559 of talk about it in the media right now? What are people there saying? 596 00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:59,480 What are I'll just stop there and let you try and help out flesh 597 00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:02,639 out my question. These are the things that you know. One of I've, 598 00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:07,440 like I said, I've been doom scrolling a lot, and the video 599 00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:10,360 that got me the most. And of course I'm also a mother. As 600 00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:14,639 parents, we all can relate to this. As the father whose eight year 601 00:49:14,679 --> 00:49:19,800 old daughter when he found out that she had been indeed murdered and her body 602 00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:25,039 was found, he said, yes, thank God. And I don't think 603 00:49:25,039 --> 00:49:29,719 there's a Jew in the world that is not constantly thinking about these faces, 604 00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:35,280 these children, and these women and these men and thinking what it would be 605 00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,800 to be in the hands of ramas. I think about it because as a 606 00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:43,960 Jewish woman, the images I've seen, it's not difficult to imagine what it 607 00:49:44,039 --> 00:49:47,880 is to be in Ghaza and be in the hands of these animals. And 608 00:49:49,199 --> 00:49:52,360 as one parent said, they're neither alive nor dead in her mind, They're 609 00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:58,000 living in the hell that we cannot imagine as it is now. You know, 610 00:49:58,079 --> 00:50:01,679 of course, some of you know is has the Hannibal doctrine. There's 611 00:50:02,079 --> 00:50:07,159 there, there are there are rules, and there are practices when it comes 612 00:50:07,199 --> 00:50:12,480 to not negotiating over and allowing the leverage that it means to be held hostage 613 00:50:12,519 --> 00:50:19,440 by by terrorists in this way I can tell you for myself. Of course, 614 00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,159 we speak about them every day. We wonder about the babies every day. 615 00:50:22,199 --> 00:50:25,320 Where are they? Are they alive? Is somebody holding them? Is 616 00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:31,039 somebody putting them to bed? Are they eating? What has happened to them? 617 00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:37,719 I think that we all we say cottage for them already in our way. 618 00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:44,320 I don't know if you know what that means, but it's it's a 619 00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:46,760 difficult thing to say, but cottage is the it's the Jewish prayer of morning, 620 00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:53,119 and we say for the dead, and and this is it's a very 621 00:50:53,119 --> 00:51:02,119 difficult thing. We We cannot we cannot be held hostage by them holding hostages. 622 00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:07,880 We do not know. And I pray every day that the IDF and 623 00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:15,559 the intelligence knows something that I don't. But I'm afraid that that's they're lost 624 00:51:15,599 --> 00:51:17,679 to us in one way or another. We pray that's not the case. 625 00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:22,000 But we also know that it will not stop a ground invasion either way. 626 00:51:22,039 --> 00:51:25,360 It will have to happen because there is no way to defeat Hamas. There 627 00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:30,920 would be no way to retrieve these hostages without having a ground invasion either way. 628 00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:36,400 We also know where Hamas keeps their weapons, right, so we can 629 00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:39,639 assume that they are keeping their hostages where they keep their weapons. We are 630 00:51:39,679 --> 00:51:45,199 assuming that they have placed these Jewish babies as human shields, and that is 631 00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:49,199 the best case scenario. So when I say that we are living in a 632 00:51:49,199 --> 00:51:52,639 NonStop heartbreak, it is no it is no exaggeration. And I will also 633 00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:59,400 I also want to add that there's no jew that is not paying attention to 634 00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:05,079 what is being said on these campuses across the Jewish world. And I will 635 00:52:05,119 --> 00:52:07,519 say, and I say, you know, I half jokingly say I didn't 636 00:52:07,519 --> 00:52:10,400 think I could become more right wing. You know, I've always been to 637 00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:15,800 the right of Genghis Khan. But but at this point there, I know 638 00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:20,480 these names, I know these institutions. I know every single person and what 639 00:52:20,599 --> 00:52:23,519 they are doing at this time. And none of us will forget. Although 640 00:52:23,519 --> 00:52:30,360 the Western world forgets willfully or otherwise, we don't. I certainly don't. 641 00:52:30,559 --> 00:52:34,599 And when this time is over, when it is all said and done, 642 00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:38,920 and we have beaten back Khmans beyond, you know, to the edges of 643 00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:44,639 history, as we have everybody else who has ever come for us, then 644 00:52:44,679 --> 00:52:51,400 we will remember that list. Good. Yeah, in one sense, when 645 00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:53,280 it comes to the students, you can always say, well, now you 646 00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:58,000 know youthful, stupidity and naivete, But no, it's something else. It's 647 00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:02,320 a failure to apprehend the namesnature of barbarism and horror and evil in the world. 648 00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:07,280 But today is hard, tomorrow is unknowable. But the future there will 649 00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:13,320 be reckoning. There will be an evaluation. There will be amongst many people. 650 00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:15,920 Some of it will be political, some of it will be technological, 651 00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:20,199 you know, and whatever intelligence failures there were, But there also has to 652 00:53:20,199 --> 00:53:24,320 be or maybe there won't, but there should be an intellectual reappraising of the 653 00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:28,360 way people on the left see the world, because it seems to me that 654 00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:32,280 here in the States that there are something there. There are many people who 655 00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:37,000 are waking up to the fact that just because they thought they were a good 656 00:53:37,039 --> 00:53:40,320 person, because they bought into all of these clever words like decolonization and the 657 00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:45,159 rest of it, without really realizing the true intention of the people behind it, 658 00:53:45,199 --> 00:53:49,719 that that's the how many people on the left, how many Jewish people 659 00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:57,159 on the left secular content to have an easy feeling of virtue by siding with 660 00:53:57,159 --> 00:54:00,800 the Palestinian cause, how many of them are going to look at this and 661 00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:02,239 say, wait a minute, the people who I thought were on my side 662 00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:05,760 because we said the same buzzwords are not. They hate me, and they 663 00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:08,280 hate me for the most fundamental reason of them all. Do you think this 664 00:54:08,679 --> 00:54:13,920 will have this lasting impact, he said, finishing up his long winded speech 665 00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:16,639 as a question, Well, I see it happening. I mean, I 666 00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:21,360 certainly see it. Among the journalists that I meet here in Jerusalemon. There 667 00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:24,960 are a lot of very difficult conversations being had now. It is a loss 668 00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:30,559 of innocence, if you will. But again, I'm not of a forgiving 669 00:54:30,639 --> 00:54:38,480 nature, I'll say that. And I find it curious that when Hamas tells 670 00:54:38,519 --> 00:54:42,760 you, for God's sakes, they wear go pros when they kill our children. 671 00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:46,760 If they have told you what they think about you, they are in 672 00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:52,159 no way unclear about where they stand. So if you want to take up 673 00:54:52,199 --> 00:54:55,039 for them, I don't know. I have. I have very little time 674 00:54:55,079 --> 00:55:02,239 for you, and whatever you you know, internal struggle they have. I 675 00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:07,639 won't be losing any sleep over that. If they come to the right side, 676 00:55:07,679 --> 00:55:12,559 then they're welcome. I welcome them, not with open arms, but 677 00:55:12,639 --> 00:55:15,119 I welcome them. Well, what I will say is what I wish for 678 00:55:15,159 --> 00:55:19,400 them then, is that they can go to Gaza, but I pray that 679 00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:22,840 when we speak again in three months time that Gaza will be very different. 680 00:55:22,519 --> 00:55:28,840 So so who knows, maybe I will move to Gaza after all is said 681 00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:30,800 and done. So what I can say is, you know, we're all 682 00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:36,360 very focused on not even tomorrow, but the next hour, right like we're 683 00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:39,639 we know what's coming. And there's also a somber feeling. I'm in a 684 00:55:39,639 --> 00:55:43,719 different position now than I was all those years ago, when you're very raw 685 00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:49,480 about work. My oldest son is twenty now, and as I drive across 686 00:55:49,519 --> 00:55:54,920 Israel, the faces that I see in those tanks, they're twenty and I 687 00:55:54,960 --> 00:56:01,280 want to hold them and I want to You know, there's this free may 688 00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:07,039 we earn the sacrifice that you are about to make for all of us, 689 00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:13,079 because I feel it in my heart, Sos. As much as I am 690 00:56:13,599 --> 00:56:17,760 excited for us to win and to regain a little of that security that was 691 00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:24,920 lost two weeks ago, I also feel that the absolute heft of what we 692 00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:29,280 are about to live through and the lives that are about to be lost, 693 00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:35,119 because these young men and women are about to enter what can only be described 694 00:56:35,159 --> 00:56:37,760 as the pits of hell, and they are doing it for all of us, 695 00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:43,840 and the Jewish people knows a lot about sacrifice. And like I said, 696 00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:47,079 this will echo through time. This will really echo through time. And 697 00:56:47,119 --> 00:56:53,400 as I sit here and you know our eternal city, it's it's a it's 698 00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:59,360 a heavy heart. It's it's a very heavy heart that I have, and 699 00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:02,199 and we're all we're all waiting for that big, great, big unknown. 700 00:57:06,079 --> 00:57:10,400 I'm saying nothing because I don't want to blesspheme your remarks with anything other than 701 00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:15,920 thank you for joining us, good luck, best wishes, thank you, 702 00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:28,280 Anica, strength and victory. Thank you, thank you. And now we 703 00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:30,400 go to a commercial. I was gonna say, James, how are you 704 00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:37,239 going to do a normal segu after that? To be had? Rob's not 705 00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:38,480 here, so it's up to you to get us out with a joke. 706 00:57:39,199 --> 00:57:44,920 No, well, maybe try to rally, but it's impossible. It's impossible. 707 00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:51,719 I have to ask you though, are you you're in Germany during Octoberfest? 708 00:57:52,239 --> 00:57:54,320 Right? Is Octoberfest going on? Well? Actually, you know, 709 00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:58,840 I think Octoberfest is actually in September. I've always been confused about this. 710 00:58:00,639 --> 00:58:05,239 Right, that would be very very typical German, just you know, revery 711 00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:07,639 efficient. Why wait, till I get it, get it out of the 712 00:58:07,679 --> 00:58:09,960 way September right. Yeah, well, it's been no shortage of beer consumption 713 00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:14,320 on my part the last six weeks, that's for sure. Have you consumed 714 00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:17,360 the beer in leader hose? And though that's just the question, no, 715 00:58:17,679 --> 00:58:22,199 because I'm not I'm not trans anything, James. Why I am not going 716 00:58:22,239 --> 00:58:24,800 to do that? You're not trans cultural? You didn't you didn't bring the 717 00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:29,480 leader hoses on your vacational Germany. You know the thing that I would like 718 00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:30,440 about, you know, if I'd lived in a leader host in culture, 719 00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:36,440 they look like you know, it's kind of vague in the sizing of it 720 00:58:36,559 --> 00:58:39,119 that you know, you pretty much lead leader hose and fits nobody, so 721 00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:43,719 it's just always going to be baggy or the rest of it. Me I 722 00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:47,599 have problem getting closed because I just have one of those absurd little uh sets 723 00:58:47,639 --> 00:58:51,559 of measurements that I can't find anywhere, never find anything pants wise that I 724 00:58:51,599 --> 00:58:53,000 can get at the grow at the department store. Now I got to order 725 00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:57,719 them online and that means that you're at the vagaias and the wishes of what 726 00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:00,800 different companies think your way size mean. I've got about six seven pair of 727 00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:04,159 fans that all of the same way size, and every single one of them 728 00:59:04,199 --> 00:59:07,000 is different. It's just absolutely mad things. Some of the bags of them 729 00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:13,519 are tight. Ah well, Rone solved my life throwne solved my closet problems. 730 00:59:14,239 --> 00:59:17,719 Now you know, guys, men's closets were due for a radical reinvention, 731 00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:21,599 right, and Ron stepped right up to the challenge. I'm happy to 732 00:59:21,599 --> 00:59:24,960 say Ron's Commuter Collection, And no, you needn't commute to wear them, 733 00:59:25,239 --> 00:59:29,639 but I do, and I love them because they're the most comfortable and breathable 734 00:59:29,679 --> 00:59:34,119 and flexible set of products known demand period. The Commuter Collection offers the world's 735 00:59:34,119 --> 00:59:37,880 most comfortable pants dressers, quarter zips, and polos. The four way stretch 736 00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:43,599 fabric provides breathability and flexibility that leaves you free to enjoy with life's throw yours 737 00:59:43,679 --> 00:59:45,280 you away from the commute to work to the eighteen holes of golf. And 738 00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:49,519 don't let this stretch thing make it sound like you're getting the old sands of 739 00:59:49,559 --> 00:59:52,920 belt stuff out of the back of the VFW magazine. No, when these 740 00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:57,679 fants showed up, I was struck by their appearance, by how good they 741 00:59:57,719 --> 01:00:01,840 looked and how good they felt. The stretch part doesn't come in a handy 742 01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:06,960 though. You see, it's time to feel confident without the hassle and Ron's 743 01:00:07,119 --> 01:00:10,639 wrinkled relief technology. The wrinkles disappear as you stretch and wear the products, 744 01:00:10,679 --> 01:00:14,360 and that's why they're great to take on vacations too. It's that easy, 745 01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:21,440 really, and with their gold Fusion gold Fusion anti odor technology, you will 746 01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:23,519 be smelling us fresh and clean all day long as you started. Now. 747 01:00:23,559 --> 01:00:27,920 On top of that, Ron is one hundred percent machine washable, so you 748 01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:32,079 can ditch the dry cleaner all together. I love these pants and what I 749 01:00:32,079 --> 01:00:35,360 loved about the when I first put them on was A as I said, 750 01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:40,880 how good they've felt, and b how they absolutely fit my measurements like no 751 01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:45,719 other pair of pants I've ever had. Peter, I believe you have a 752 01:00:45,719 --> 01:00:51,239 pair as well, and you can testify testify I too, and I just 753 01:00:51,559 --> 01:00:54,719 love them. I just this is the first what is it called technical fabric 754 01:00:54,719 --> 01:00:59,719 that there's a new This is sort of the new wave of in men's clothing, 755 01:01:00,119 --> 01:01:02,239 And honestly, I was very skeptical of it because I'm old enough to 756 01:01:02,239 --> 01:01:07,039 remember leisure suits. I'm old enough to exactly what they were trying to do 757 01:01:07,639 --> 01:01:13,079 with what we used to call polyester back in the old days, and it 758 01:01:13,199 --> 01:01:21,039 was all just unspeakable stiff and clammy and looked as though it would melt if 759 01:01:21,119 --> 01:01:23,639 you put it in the washing machine instead of get washed. And these Rowan 760 01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:30,079 clothes are technical fabric, I guess is the new term. Anyway. They 761 01:01:30,159 --> 01:01:34,480 feel light, they're extremely comfortable, they're just particularly we've had some heat here 762 01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:38,920 in California, and it's a way of dressing for the office in a way 763 01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:44,079 that just isn't that feels as I honestly, it feels as though you're headed 764 01:01:44,119 --> 01:01:46,599 off to a resort. They're just great. They're great. So what I'm 765 01:01:46,639 --> 01:01:50,079 saying is women in the audience, get these for your men. The men 766 01:01:50,119 --> 01:01:52,679 may not upgrade their closet, they may think that what they have is fine, 767 01:01:52,679 --> 01:01:55,400 but they will be happy for Christmas. Go get for whatever holiday coming 768 01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:59,639 up, go to rowing the Communic election. It'll get you through any work 769 01:01:59,719 --> 01:02:01,760 day straight into whatever comes next. And if you had to run dot com, 770 01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:06,840 slash ricochet and use the promo code altogether, now ricochet, you will 771 01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:09,639 save twenty percent off your entire order. That's twenty percent off your entire order. 772 01:02:09,679 --> 01:02:15,480 When you had to r h oh and e dot com slash Ricochet promo 773 01:02:15,519 --> 01:02:20,239 code Ricochet. It's time to find your corner office comfort. Well, we 774 01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:23,360 thank Rome for sponsoring this the ricosht podcast. Well, gentlemen, before we 775 01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:32,280 go, the bruhaha kerfluffle in the house continues, and I'm profoundly uninterested in 776 01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:38,800 it. I'm just I'm just not except apparently aid to Israel is dependent upon 777 01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:44,519 them getting their their ship and order right, and it seems to be. 778 01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:47,679 And this is what is irritating a lot of the GOP's base, I think, 779 01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:52,719 and not without reason, is that we're spending an awful lot of money 780 01:02:52,719 --> 01:02:57,960 in Ukrainian and Israeli security, but our bone border security seems to be a 781 01:02:58,119 --> 01:03:00,239 bit lax. And I'm of the walking shoe gum schools that I believe that 782 01:03:00,239 --> 01:03:05,840 we actually can walk chew gum and I don't know, snapper fingers. We 783 01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:09,320 can do Israel and Ukraine and border security as well, but Abbott is sending 784 01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:14,559 more immigrants and buses to New York, which is compounding their difficulties. As 785 01:03:14,559 --> 01:03:16,840 such, Ben Dominic had a great piece I think he linked to it the 786 01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:21,280 other day in the Federalist about his experience in New York and going to the 787 01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:25,119 Roosevelt Hotel, and I remember that rose of what Velt Hotel is an absolutely 788 01:03:25,159 --> 01:03:31,800 wonderful gilded lobby, which apparently now is somewhat worse for wear. Anyway, 789 01:03:32,239 --> 01:03:35,360 what in there would you like to take? Would you want to talk about 790 01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:38,320 the speaker, the aid, the migrant crisis, or do you just want 791 01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:42,000 to throw up your hands and say, for heaven's sakes, we've dealt with 792 01:03:42,039 --> 01:03:45,119 two huge topics already. It's Friday, Let us go, Let us go, 793 01:03:45,239 --> 01:03:52,119 James. As it turns out, you can't operate too terribly long without 794 01:03:52,159 --> 01:03:55,400 a functioning house of representatives. The government's going to run out of money on 795 01:03:55,480 --> 01:04:00,880 November seventeenth, that's less than a month away. Israel Aid. There's a 796 01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:06,199 certain amount that the Pentagon can do with grawing down reserves and using standing orders 797 01:04:06,239 --> 01:04:10,360 and so forth. They get it all lawyered up. What else can we 798 01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:12,079 do? What else can we do? And it turns out you come to 799 01:04:12,119 --> 01:04:17,800 an end to what you can do, So we do need a functioning house. 800 01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:25,000 I understand. I feel to me that I understand what the Republicans are 801 01:04:25,039 --> 01:04:30,199 going through. They're angry with each other. They're really angry. These guys 802 01:04:30,239 --> 01:04:35,360 fought a very hard campaign. They ended up with a majority of just four 803 01:04:36,119 --> 01:04:41,119 if I have that right, just four seats. And with four seats, 804 01:04:41,159 --> 01:04:45,320 everybody has to put up with a lot. They have to put up with 805 01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:47,960 each other. They have to engage in a certain generosity with each other in 806 01:04:48,079 --> 01:04:55,400 order to hold the coalition together. I have have had a high view of 807 01:04:55,519 --> 01:05:01,360 Kevin McCarthy, who was through sheer jollity and good spirits and really hard work 808 01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:06,639 to raise money even for Republicans of the left and of the right, of 809 01:05:06,679 --> 01:05:11,159 whom he personally might not have approved, who wouldn't have gotten elected in his 810 01:05:11,239 --> 01:05:15,159 district in Bakersfield, California. He crisscrossed the country month after month to raise 811 01:05:15,199 --> 01:05:19,920 money hold it all together. And then eight sons of bitches turned on him 812 01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:27,880 and broke it all apart. And Jim Jordan now has run and Jim Jordan 813 01:05:28,079 --> 01:05:34,119 unleashed aspects of his support who started attacking but Republican moderates on Fox News and 814 01:05:34,199 --> 01:05:38,679 other outlets, and the Republican moderates said, Jordan, you tell them to 815 01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:41,719 knock it off, or you're not getting my vote. And Jim Jordan didn't 816 01:05:41,719 --> 01:05:45,960 tell them to knock it off. So these guys are just guys and women 817 01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:48,920 have had it up to here with each other. It's a mess, as 818 01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:53,159 far as I can tell. The only workable solution, and I'm surprised they 819 01:05:53,159 --> 01:05:58,239 haven't tweaked to it already. They've got to give Patrick McHenry, whom no 820 01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:02,920 one seems to dislike, he's a speaker pro tem. He has extremely limited 821 01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:06,519 powers as a temporary speaker. They need to pass some sort of resolution that 822 01:06:06,559 --> 01:06:12,239 gives him the powers to hold votes and get the government funded and get aid 823 01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:17,119 to Israel properly underway. That's that's my event. I'm kind of angry that 824 01:06:17,159 --> 01:06:20,639 they're angry. Steve. Yeah, well, so by the way, ye, 825 01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:24,480 Peter, you could have that letter solution of what was that? Patrick 826 01:06:24,519 --> 01:06:26,800 mc henry's at his name. By the way, I didn't know we had 827 01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:30,039 a speaker pro tem until this all happened, And apparently it's some very strange 828 01:06:30,119 --> 01:06:34,440 arrangement from the semi secret Order of succession in the event of a catastrophic terroor 829 01:06:34,519 --> 01:06:38,960 strike. Right, we've never needed one before except right, well, guess 830 01:06:39,039 --> 01:06:44,320 what the catastrophic terrorist strike was named? Matt Gates look, you know, 831 01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:46,280 I actually have a little more sympathy than you guys do for let's try a 832 01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:50,159 little chaos once in a while. However, by the way, I like 833 01:06:50,239 --> 01:06:53,880 Kevin McCarthy just fine. I thought that was dumb to throw him out. 834 01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:57,960 However, what we have right now is a de facto government shutdown. I'm 835 01:06:57,960 --> 01:07:00,440 just restating what you just said. Right. Second of all, we can 836 01:07:00,559 --> 01:07:06,639 have speaker temporary Speaker McHenry if twenty Democrats said yes tomorrow, right, let's 837 01:07:06,639 --> 01:07:11,320 remember that. And I think, by the way, Democrats may regret their 838 01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:15,559 opportunism and all this before long, because if we get to a real government 839 01:07:15,599 --> 01:07:20,719 shut down with you budgetary authority expiring here in three weeks. And I think, 840 01:07:20,719 --> 01:07:24,320 by the way, this puts a do Ukraine in jeopardy more than it 841 01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:28,159 might have been if you carried on with Speaker McCarthy. So I think there's 842 01:07:28,199 --> 01:07:30,800 going to be a pox in all our houses, not just Republicans, but 843 01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:33,599 I think some sober Democrats are going to have second thoughts on their own role 844 01:07:33,599 --> 01:07:38,760 in all this before it's all over, Sober Democrats. And with that faint, 845 01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:44,159 I know off before we go there, we want to tell you one 846 01:07:44,199 --> 01:07:47,320 thing and that is if you enjoyed this podcast, although enjoying really is the 847 01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:53,840 word. If you were struck and moved Bionica's testimony, the other Ricochet podcast 848 01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:56,920 network, and there are so many other podcasts here. What's bugging Me with 849 01:07:56,960 --> 01:08:00,000 Dennis Neil. He speaks to two women, a Jew and a Muslim, 850 01:08:00,519 --> 01:08:05,639 Tall Harcouve and Azra Nomani, and they discuss their fight against radical Islam and 851 01:08:05,679 --> 01:08:11,480 Jihadis and the horrible bowl of events that drove them to do what they do 852 01:08:11,559 --> 01:08:14,920 now. So that's something we wanted to tell you to walk listen to as 853 01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:18,600 well on the same subject. 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