WEBVTT 1 00:00:12.199 --> 00:00:16.399 Get some facts and come back and Seebee. Get some facts and come back 2 00:00:16.440 --> 00:00:20.640 and Seebee. Don't throw out salaries or other things. Get some facts and 3 00:00:20.760 --> 00:00:25.000 come back and Seebee. You can't handle the true now told our players you 4 00:00:25.079 --> 00:00:27.760 need a bit more like a dog. We don't need a bunch of cats 5 00:00:27.800 --> 00:00:31.399 in here looking in the mirror. But I look good. I got my 6 00:00:31.480 --> 00:00:35.320 extra bands on, I got my other shoes. Be a doll. We 7 00:00:35.359 --> 00:00:38.960 don't need no meals, We don't need no cats. We need more dogs. 8 00:00:39.280 --> 00:00:44.320 Why not a detain Oh you're not that day? But we weren't good. 9 00:00:44.320 --> 00:00:46.759 There's no sense of asking me things about the game. I'm telling you 10 00:00:46.840 --> 00:00:49.119 we laid an egg. So I'm not gonna break it down for you. 11 00:00:49.399 --> 00:00:54.079 He sucks. He sucked, but he laid an egg. That's all I 12 00:00:54.119 --> 00:00:56.320 have to say. Guys, I'm sorry. I'm not gonna break it down 13 00:00:56.320 --> 00:00:59.359 for you. Nothing went well for us. It's on us. We have 14 00:00:59.399 --> 00:01:04.000 to figure it out every way. Dad final out. At the program bottom 15 00:01:04.000 --> 00:01:07.480 of the hour, James Edwards from the Athletic joins us to talk about where 16 00:01:07.480 --> 00:01:12.680 the Pistons go now that Manti Williams has been fired and Tom Gores's willingness to 17 00:01:12.719 --> 00:01:19.680 eat the remainder of his massive contract. That contract at the time was the 18 00:01:19.760 --> 00:01:23.480 highest of any NBA head coach. It was a six year, seventy eight 19 00:01:23.480 --> 00:01:27.280 and a half million dollar contract. He's going to beat well over sixty five 20 00:01:27.400 --> 00:01:32.680 million of it. There's something to be said for that, for a manager 21 00:01:33.000 --> 00:01:40.519 or a owner to admit this isn't working. So Trajan Langdon, one of 22 00:01:40.560 --> 00:01:45.000 the things obviously for him to come in to his role of running this organization 23 00:01:45.519 --> 00:01:49.840 was what I got to bring in my own guys, and Tom Gores relented 24 00:01:49.000 --> 00:01:53.560 and was willing to do that. So Manti Williams is out and James Edwards 25 00:01:53.560 --> 00:01:59.000 will talk to us about that, what he thinks the direction will be moving 26 00:01:59.079 --> 00:02:02.159 forward, and perhaps a few other things. He will join us at eight 27 00:02:02.400 --> 00:02:12.199 thirty five. Tigers lose seven zip yesterday to Atlanta and Raynaldo Lopez who just 28 00:02:12.360 --> 00:02:15.560 picked him up and mowed him down, And Detroit has now dropped four in 29 00:02:15.599 --> 00:02:21.520 a row and they are a season worst six games under five hundred. Stanley 30 00:02:21.560 --> 00:02:27.639 Cup Finals don't get back to action until tomorrow night, and our pole question 31 00:02:28.000 --> 00:02:31.680 is out there for you as well. And the pole question is relatively simple. 32 00:02:32.439 --> 00:02:36.240 What do you want in the Pistons next head coach, a current young 33 00:02:36.280 --> 00:02:40.719 assistant, a former head coach, or a former player. Somebody on our 34 00:02:40.759 --> 00:02:46.400 Twitter pool said option four doesn't matter. It's going to be a blank show 35 00:02:46.439 --> 00:02:55.840 anyway. That's kind of funny. Ben liked this because exes and bros. 36 00:02:55.879 --> 00:03:00.599 You know, we've got it out there on our website, or I should 37 00:03:00.639 --> 00:03:06.439 say, on our Twitter page. And Ben runs that for us. Does 38 00:03:06.479 --> 00:03:08.439 a great job runn in the forest and he says, this guy says, 39 00:03:08.439 --> 00:03:14.919 please give us a head coach that the players will play hard for and can 40 00:03:14.960 --> 00:03:19.560 get the players to play together with some defense thrown in. That's from Terry 41 00:03:19.719 --> 00:03:24.280 and that's a good one. Yeah, any coach. Look, what wasn't 42 00:03:24.280 --> 00:03:30.520 it blatantly obvious? I get that offense is glitzy. I understand that we 43 00:03:30.599 --> 00:03:36.280 all want three pointers and highlight alley oops and all that stuff. Understood, 44 00:03:37.360 --> 00:03:43.960 But isn't blatantly obvious that the best team or the best teams also play at 45 00:03:43.960 --> 00:03:50.159 the other end of the floor. Boston was really good, really engaged defensively. 46 00:03:51.159 --> 00:03:53.280 Now, Minnesota is one of the best defensive teams in the league, 47 00:03:53.319 --> 00:03:58.960 and they didn't get there, but they got pretty far and as a Pistons 48 00:03:59.000 --> 00:04:01.520 fan, you would take that too. We go back to our Meyer hotline 49 00:04:01.560 --> 00:04:04.439 eight six six eight three eighty eight forty three. Then who's up next? 50 00:04:04.520 --> 00:04:08.919 You have? We got Robert and Pontiac. Hey, Robert, how are 51 00:04:08.960 --> 00:04:11.439 you man? Good to have you on board on a Thursday. I'm real 52 00:04:11.520 --> 00:04:15.439 good man. How are you. How's your midsummer going? It's going all 53 00:04:15.520 --> 00:04:17.040 right. Would like to get a little bit cooler, but I'm not going 54 00:04:17.040 --> 00:04:19.720 to complain because during the winter time I complained that it's not warm enough. 55 00:04:19.800 --> 00:04:24.680 So forget that. There you go. Even takes place. Yeah, I 56 00:04:24.680 --> 00:04:29.279 wanted just to start off maybe a week or two ago you had done coach 57 00:04:29.360 --> 00:04:32.240 Greg, Greg Campy, and I really enjoyed that interview a lot. This 58 00:04:32.399 --> 00:04:36.600 all you guys, So so it was he just seems like a bottle of 59 00:04:36.600 --> 00:04:41.480 wine. He just gets better with ah. So he really he said it 60 00:04:41.519 --> 00:04:45.879 all in that interview. Yeah, very revealing, very reflective. I enjoyed 61 00:04:45.879 --> 00:04:48.720 it too. Yeah it was good stuff. Yeah yeah, sure sure. 62 00:04:48.720 --> 00:04:55.120 And then this past week we lost some really great athletes Chat Walker, Jerry 63 00:04:55.160 --> 00:04:59.439 West, and now Willie Mays. That's that's what we're athletes of my youth. 64 00:04:59.480 --> 00:05:04.560 In that I remember them well even yeah, even today. I mean 65 00:05:04.600 --> 00:05:09.920 you think about you think about what major League Baseball is going to do and 66 00:05:09.959 --> 00:05:14.879 going back to a historical site where Willie May's actually played and he wasn't able 67 00:05:14.920 --> 00:05:18.759 to do that. My hope is, yeah, yeah, my hope is 68 00:05:18.759 --> 00:05:24.839 that no matter what I mean, there's no excuse for young a younger generation 69 00:05:25.000 --> 00:05:32.040 today to not know or understand the impact of a player like Willie Mays because 70 00:05:32.079 --> 00:05:35.720 you can go back and you can do so much research on the internet and 71 00:05:35.800 --> 00:05:39.439 it doesn't take you very long. I mean, you can just go to 72 00:05:39.439 --> 00:05:44.199 Baseball Reference dot com if you want, and you can understand the impact that 73 00:05:44.240 --> 00:05:47.439 Willie Mays had on the field. What we can't truly understand or come to 74 00:05:47.439 --> 00:05:53.040 grips with unless you lived it like you did, was the impact he made 75 00:05:53.319 --> 00:05:57.560 off the field as well. Oh absolutely, yeah, those those those were 76 00:05:57.600 --> 00:06:00.040 great days. You I would run home from school to want the World Series. 77 00:06:00.079 --> 00:06:04.120 You know, there weren't night games, there were day games, right, 78 00:06:04.199 --> 00:06:11.000 But exactly thinking about like team building, You've been talking about that maybe 79 00:06:11.000 --> 00:06:15.319 for even a week or two kind of here and there talking about baseball and 80 00:06:15.439 --> 00:06:20.480 what I lament about the current situation in baseball is the last time there was 81 00:06:20.519 --> 00:06:28.000 the CBA labor talks, there was a players put forward to a minimum budget 82 00:06:28.040 --> 00:06:31.000 a team had to spend. I think the number was one hundred and sixty 83 00:06:31.040 --> 00:06:39.959 million as a low ball, and I think that is something that should maybe 84 00:06:40.079 --> 00:06:43.879 be experimented with because, as if I understand it right, a team could 85 00:06:43.879 --> 00:06:49.040 spend zero to unlimited amount of money. There's no salary cap low or high. 86 00:06:49.079 --> 00:06:53.040 That's correct, there's a luxury cap there. In other words, if 87 00:06:53.040 --> 00:06:56.800 you spend over a certain amount, you can then get text on it. 88 00:06:57.879 --> 00:07:00.519 But I don't recall that. You're going to have to refresh my memory. 89 00:07:00.560 --> 00:07:03.720 I don't recall them saying you have to spend a minimum. And the reason 90 00:07:03.759 --> 00:07:08.879 they didn't, I believe, is because then the owners would come back and 91 00:07:08.920 --> 00:07:13.160 say, okay, well then there's also a maximum. You didn't and players 92 00:07:13.160 --> 00:07:15.439 don't want it didn't go through. It's a mood point. It didn't go 93 00:07:15.560 --> 00:07:19.160 through. But there was a talk about that, because that's how you make 94 00:07:19.199 --> 00:07:24.560 a regional player into a national player. If you win a playoff game. 95 00:07:25.279 --> 00:07:28.240 You look at the Lions, for example, there are national talks. But 96 00:07:28.319 --> 00:07:30.759 even if for a baseball player, get out of a regional status. He 97 00:07:30.839 --> 00:07:36.000 needs to win a playoff game a picture for example. And if a team 98 00:07:36.079 --> 00:07:42.600 cook who had had enough money to spend and put a productive team on the 99 00:07:42.639 --> 00:07:46.839 field, you could get that player to be a national player, and hence 100 00:07:46.879 --> 00:07:53.439 his contract would rise, his profile would rise. Yeah, that makes more 101 00:07:53.480 --> 00:07:56.759 fans come to the park, et cetera. That we were talking about earlier. 102 00:07:57.560 --> 00:08:00.279 Yeah, no, I don't you tell me. I don't just agree 103 00:08:00.319 --> 00:08:03.399 with that. Here's here's the thing I might come back at. I think 104 00:08:03.560 --> 00:08:09.279 one of the most, if not the most underrated player is Jose Ramirez. 105 00:08:09.319 --> 00:08:13.000 Do you consider him a national player? I mean, Cleveland's won divisions, 106 00:08:13.079 --> 00:08:16.879 He's been in the playoffs before, they haven't had great success there, is 107 00:08:16.879 --> 00:08:20.680 he a national player? Minnesota won a division last year, won the division 108 00:08:20.759 --> 00:08:26.519 last year, won a series against the Yankees. Who on their team is 109 00:08:26.560 --> 00:08:33.559 a national player? Well, abrall I was a national player. I think 110 00:08:33.720 --> 00:08:41.519 in my mind, left handed hitter who hits about three fifties sometimes for who 111 00:08:43.200 --> 00:08:48.080 or Minnesota? Now you think he's playing with Miami? Now a bree you 112 00:08:48.200 --> 00:08:56.480 Yeah, okay, not familiar? Not familiar with the Manasoda player last year 113 00:08:56.559 --> 00:09:03.399 named a brilla. Maybe I nunciated wrong, but Ramirez took a sweetheart deal. 114 00:09:03.840 --> 00:09:07.399 Kind of he could have got a lot more, but he took a 115 00:09:07.480 --> 00:09:11.600 nice deal, and he seems really happy in Cleveland. He wanted to stay 116 00:09:11.679 --> 00:09:16.639 there because no one. No one scouted him but Cleveland as a young teenager, 117 00:09:16.879 --> 00:09:20.080 and he just stuck with that. Now I get it, and you 118 00:09:20.120 --> 00:09:22.360 bring up an interesting point. You make me think. That's what I love 119 00:09:22.360 --> 00:09:26.120 about these conversations. Thanks to the phone call, we've got to hit a 120 00:09:26.120 --> 00:09:31.720 break. I apologize. You make me think about things in a different way. 121 00:09:31.879 --> 00:09:33.480 I mean, look, JD. Martinez could have had a really good 122 00:09:33.519 --> 00:09:37.639 deal here in Detroit. Tiger's believed in him more than anybody else. He 123 00:09:37.759 --> 00:09:43.360 chose to leave. There's no sweetheart deal there. I give Jose Ramirez a 124 00:09:43.360 --> 00:09:48.679 ton of credit. I don't know if reaching the postseason makes you a national 125 00:09:48.120 --> 00:09:54.120 name. It sure doesn't hurt. I mean, everybody knows about, you 126 00:09:54.159 --> 00:09:56.840 know, Mike Trout and his accomplishments, but his teams don't make the playoffs. 127 00:09:56.879 --> 00:10:00.600 But he's a national name. It's obviously because he one of the best 128 00:10:00.600 --> 00:10:05.759 players of his generation. So it's probably the wrong example. But yeah, 129 00:10:05.799 --> 00:10:07.639 look, I think I think what you and I would both agree on. 130 00:10:07.720 --> 00:10:11.399 You got to spend money, a little bit more money than some of these 131 00:10:11.399 --> 00:10:13.840 teams have spent, especially Detroit, and spend it in the right direction. 132 00:10:15.080 --> 00:10:16.600 If you want to win a quick time out, then back and more with 133 00:10:16.879 --> 00:10:20.480 your texts and then James Edwards at bottom of the hour here in Exis and 134 00:10:20.519 --> 00:10:24.960 Bros. 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Okay in Cleveland, I believe, and way back in the day. 175 00:13:43.240 --> 00:13:46.320 Back in the seventies, people are parking cars on the field of play. 176 00:13:46.480 --> 00:13:50.480 This is how different it is today. People are parking cars in the 177 00:13:50.480 --> 00:13:54.519 field of play. Lynn Swan catches a pass, scores a touchdown, runs 178 00:13:54.559 --> 00:14:01.000 through the end zone and has to leap over an automobile the back end of 179 00:14:01.000 --> 00:14:07.840 the automobile. Terry Bradshaw finds him on a long touchdown pass back corner of 180 00:14:07.879 --> 00:14:13.200 the end zone and he has to maneuver his way at the back end of 181 00:14:13.240 --> 00:14:20.679 the end zone off the field of play around some nineteen seventy ish buick. 182 00:14:22.120 --> 00:14:26.320 It's crazy, absolutely crazy. Let me get to some texts. I want 183 00:14:26.360 --> 00:14:28.879 to make sure we get these in because we're going to be joined by James 184 00:14:30.000 --> 00:14:33.399 Edwards at thirty five after the hour to talk about Pistons and the text line 185 00:14:33.399 --> 00:14:37.320 Sports Radio is twenty one thousand. Then go ahead, buddy. Yeah. 186 00:14:37.320 --> 00:14:41.080 It says the Tigers play soon uninspired, they have no drive or fire. 187 00:14:41.360 --> 00:14:48.480 Makes me wonder what AJ is telling them. Well, it's hard to it's 188 00:14:48.559 --> 00:14:54.320 hard to argue with the lack of passion that you see. The only thing 189 00:14:54.440 --> 00:15:03.120 I try to caution people on is just because a team is losing or is 190 00:15:03.159 --> 00:15:07.440 in a losing rut doesn't mean that they're not passionate about what they do, 191 00:15:11.080 --> 00:15:18.039 because passion is very it's very subjective. You know. I in my world 192 00:15:18.240 --> 00:15:22.440 when I was broadcasting, and I felt like I was being passionate, some 193 00:15:22.480 --> 00:15:26.679 people thought I was being fake. I would get people who don't like me, 194 00:15:26.799 --> 00:15:31.440 and that's fine. You're bound to find that. Who are saying, 195 00:15:31.440 --> 00:15:37.080 come on, give it a rest, It's just a home run in June. 196 00:15:37.399 --> 00:15:43.600 Who cares well I was? I mean that was real for me. 197 00:15:43.240 --> 00:15:50.039 I was passionate for it. Certain guys. Magic Johnson once hugged Kareem abdul 198 00:15:50.080 --> 00:15:54.360 Jabbar after he made a game winning shot and it was like the first week 199 00:15:54.399 --> 00:15:56.720 of his rookie season, and Magic Johnson went crazy, and Kareem dul Jabbar 200 00:15:56.799 --> 00:15:58.399 is like, hey man, we got a long way to go. This 201 00:15:58.480 --> 00:16:07.240 is a long That's who Magic Johnson was, So give him credit. Why 202 00:16:07.360 --> 00:16:11.519 change these guys? You know, one hundred and sixty two games. Can 203 00:16:11.559 --> 00:16:15.440 you expect them to be juiced up every single time? I can expect them 204 00:16:15.440 --> 00:16:19.919 to. I mean, I would hope so. But just because you're getting 205 00:16:19.919 --> 00:16:25.279 the crap caked out of his seven nothing doesn't mean that there isn't emotion there. 206 00:16:26.200 --> 00:16:30.480 On the other hand, as a fan like you watching this team, 207 00:16:30.840 --> 00:16:34.279 there's something missing, And aj Hinch admitted it the other day. He said, 208 00:16:34.279 --> 00:16:37.279 you know, we're not in a good place right now, So how 209 00:16:37.279 --> 00:16:41.000 are you supposed to argue that? So I hear where you're coming from, 210 00:16:41.080 --> 00:16:47.080 and I think I think you're pretty close to being on point there. It 211 00:16:47.159 --> 00:16:53.600 is a little surprising. Sometimes you need a restart, a reset in season, 212 00:16:53.799 --> 00:16:57.480 and perhaps they're getting that with the day off in Chicago coming to highand 213 00:16:57.519 --> 00:17:02.919 tomorrow. Ben what else we got? There's a question who is the Tiger's 214 00:17:03.000 --> 00:17:11.079 hitting coach? Shouldn't he accept some responsibility for the Tiger's poor offense? Yeah, 215 00:17:11.119 --> 00:17:15.920 I figured you would get something like this, and I understand why it 216 00:17:17.039 --> 00:17:22.000 comes, especially at this time. Look, there's how much do you lay 217 00:17:22.039 --> 00:17:29.599 at the feet of a pitching coach or a hitting coach? And those are 218 00:17:29.640 --> 00:17:37.119 all fair points. Trying to fix somebody in season can be really challenging. 219 00:17:37.200 --> 00:17:44.960 I'm not going to make excuses though, because I think at some point you 220 00:17:45.039 --> 00:17:48.440 have to make a change. Something's not working. So you're asking who their 221 00:17:48.480 --> 00:17:52.119 hitting coaches are, right, So Keith Bouregard is one of them. Michael 222 00:17:52.119 --> 00:18:00.519 Badar is another one, and they just hired before the season Lance. So 223 00:18:00.599 --> 00:18:10.480 what DISGI is the assistant hitting coach? Is it up to them? I 224 00:18:10.519 --> 00:18:15.680 can tell you this. Here's what they do. Every single day, they 225 00:18:15.680 --> 00:18:19.119 have a hitters meeting. So I'm just taking you under the hood. Here, 226 00:18:19.839 --> 00:18:25.240 you're taking batting practice or you're getting ready for batting practice. Before BP, 227 00:18:26.039 --> 00:18:29.759 they go down and they have a five to ten minute, no more 228 00:18:29.759 --> 00:18:33.400 than ten minutes, a hitters meeting. This is who we're facing today, 229 00:18:33.480 --> 00:18:38.720 Rinaldo Lopez. And here's who you will likely see. I don't know if 230 00:18:38.720 --> 00:18:42.319 you know this, but managers before a series, they'll talk to the other 231 00:18:42.359 --> 00:18:45.400 managers say, hey, listen, you know these are kind of the guys. 232 00:18:45.599 --> 00:18:49.960 This is where I'm leaning. Okay, it'll give you all their secrets, 233 00:18:49.960 --> 00:18:52.720 but they'll tell you this is kind of where I'm leaning. It's a 234 00:18:52.720 --> 00:18:59.680 professional courtesy of you know, looking forward to the rest of the series. 235 00:19:00.079 --> 00:19:02.519 So the day before they may you know, if it's if there's a guy 236 00:19:02.519 --> 00:19:04.960 a TBD, a pitcher, they're going to say to that guy. They're 237 00:19:04.960 --> 00:19:07.640 going to say to the opposing manager, hey listen, I'll tell you who 238 00:19:07.720 --> 00:19:12.480 I'm starting by the time you know, we leave the ballpark tonight for tomorrow. 239 00:19:14.160 --> 00:19:17.480 As far as relievers, not that they're telling you who they're going to 240 00:19:17.559 --> 00:19:19.480 leave or who they're going to bring in, but you get a pretty good 241 00:19:19.519 --> 00:19:26.000 idea based on their usage. You see how often they've been used, so 242 00:19:26.079 --> 00:19:33.000 you've got a really good idea of where they're going after a certain part of 243 00:19:33.039 --> 00:19:37.680 your lineup or a certain part of the game. So the hitters meeting is 244 00:19:37.680 --> 00:19:41.039 there. You're going over Ronald Lopez and some of the other relievers and what 245 00:19:41.079 --> 00:19:45.440 they're bringing and what what your approach needs to be against this guy because this 246 00:19:45.559 --> 00:19:49.799 is what he throws. And you know they're not they're not trying to delude 247 00:19:49.799 --> 00:19:53.680 you with so much information that your head is spinning, but they you know 248 00:19:53.880 --> 00:20:00.200 there's there's a knowledge there. Then you have to ask yourself how much is 249 00:20:00.920 --> 00:20:07.880 Keith Beauregard and Michael Bardard truly responsible for Cole Keith digging in and swinging and 250 00:20:07.920 --> 00:20:12.920 missing it a ninety four mile an hour fastball. Is that on the coach 251 00:20:14.000 --> 00:20:18.200 or is that on the player? As aj Hinch said the other day, 252 00:20:18.400 --> 00:20:22.440 the approach is the right approach. We're going about it. The right way. 253 00:20:22.559 --> 00:20:29.960 The execution is not there, so I have to ask you are you 254 00:20:30.079 --> 00:20:33.400 mad at the approach? Which you and I in fairness to us, we 255 00:20:33.480 --> 00:20:37.559 don't know. You don't know what the approach is. I'm not sitting here 256 00:20:37.559 --> 00:20:41.880 talking about it. You're getting ready for a ballgame. You and I sit 257 00:20:41.960 --> 00:20:45.519 down, turn on the clicker, and then we just watched the at bats. 258 00:20:45.759 --> 00:20:53.160 The execution is not there, but what about the approach? Can you 259 00:20:53.200 --> 00:20:59.519 tell what the approach is? So that's the thing you have to ask yourself. 260 00:20:59.519 --> 00:21:03.200 A j Hin says, the approaches the right approach. The execution is 261 00:21:03.240 --> 00:21:04.559 not there. What does that tell you? It tells you it's on the 262 00:21:04.559 --> 00:21:11.559 player, So you may not agree with it. 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James, always appreciate your time. I know it's 298 00:24:07.039 --> 00:24:12.359 valuable. You are one of the few guys who actually did not think that 299 00:24:12.400 --> 00:24:18.720 the Pistons would stick with Monty Williams when Trajan Langdon was brought in. They 300 00:24:18.759 --> 00:24:23.160 have fired him and they will eat roughly sixty five million dollars of his contract. 301 00:24:23.400 --> 00:24:29.559 What made you think or not convinced that they would fire him and how 302 00:24:29.599 --> 00:24:33.440 surprised were you that they did move on from Monty Williams after just one year. 303 00:24:34.960 --> 00:24:37.799 Yeah, I appreciate you have me on. I think there's a couple 304 00:24:37.799 --> 00:24:44.279 of things that led to me not only sure if he was going to be 305 00:24:44.279 --> 00:24:48.160 back. I mean, one, the record spoke for itself. The losing 306 00:24:48.200 --> 00:24:55.000 streak spoke for itself. It's a team obviously very young and the roster flawed, 307 00:24:55.039 --> 00:25:00.759 but they had Kate Cunningham for over sixty games, play it close to 308 00:25:00.880 --> 00:25:06.480 a posting similar numbers to some All Stars, and still found a way to 309 00:25:06.480 --> 00:25:10.240 win less games than they did when he basically missed all of the previous season. 310 00:25:10.359 --> 00:25:17.240 So that's that's certainly not something that it's something you certainly have to contemplate 311 00:25:17.319 --> 00:25:22.319 right. Secondly, I think just the opportunity to start fresh. It's not 312 00:25:23.319 --> 00:25:29.359 often for this organization that they've had a chance to revamp the front office and 313 00:25:29.440 --> 00:25:33.799 the coach at the same time, and the opportunity presented itself. I just 314 00:25:33.799 --> 00:25:37.599 think it would have been a really hard sell to fans to go into next 315 00:25:37.680 --> 00:25:44.000 year with kind of any of the top decision makers, whether they'm the coaching 316 00:25:44.039 --> 00:25:48.880 staff or front office after what just happened. And it's definitely just like talking 317 00:25:48.880 --> 00:25:53.839 to people close to the situation, just I just kind of always felt like 318 00:25:55.839 --> 00:25:57.839 it might be a long process, but it felt like that they would reach 319 00:25:57.880 --> 00:26:04.000 this conclusion eventually, and Trajan came in, had a lot to do immediately, 320 00:26:06.119 --> 00:26:11.400 Gorris had time to contemplate kind of how they wanted to present this new 321 00:26:11.640 --> 00:26:15.359 situation that they're ushering into, and yeah, it all kind of culminated to 322 00:26:15.440 --> 00:26:19.160 yesterday when it was announced that he was gone. What was your what you 323 00:26:19.279 --> 00:26:22.480 read on the timing? I mean, the NBA Draft isn't far from right 324 00:26:22.519 --> 00:26:26.759 now, how do you what do you think about the timing of the whole 325 00:26:26.799 --> 00:26:33.599 situation. Yeah, I mean it's not like perfect timing, but I don't 326 00:26:33.640 --> 00:26:37.519 think it's as detrimental as others like to me, they don't need to have 327 00:26:37.559 --> 00:26:41.279 a coach in until summer league. The draft is the draft, like, 328 00:26:41.440 --> 00:26:45.119 whoever's running the front office is going to pick who they want. And there's 329 00:26:45.160 --> 00:26:48.519 still a lot of solid candidates that I mean, there are two other teams 330 00:26:48.519 --> 00:26:53.960 to still going through a coasting shirt. So I think there are enough candidates 331 00:26:55.000 --> 00:26:57.119 out there that there would have been interest if they would have had some of 332 00:26:57.160 --> 00:27:00.279 the guys that they could still get today or some guys they would have interviewed 333 00:27:00.319 --> 00:27:03.200 if this happened a month and a half ago. I'll say that for sure, 334 00:27:06.359 --> 00:27:11.559 the Trajan langdon higher and obviously the power that he on wields. How 335 00:27:11.920 --> 00:27:19.279 justified is it and what do you think his biggest challenge will be? It's 336 00:27:19.279 --> 00:27:25.079 certainly justified. I think this is a guy that has checked every box that 337 00:27:25.160 --> 00:27:29.839 you would want for somebody now in his position. First of all, played 338 00:27:30.599 --> 00:27:33.599 at Duke, played in the NBA. People don't know that he majored in 339 00:27:33.680 --> 00:27:41.359 math while playing at Duke and being a professional baseball player. Very smart guy, 340 00:27:41.640 --> 00:27:47.559 very outside the box, thinker, very patient, I've heard, and 341 00:27:47.599 --> 00:27:51.559 then obviously in New Orleans and Brooklyn, he's had experience in the NBA, 342 00:27:51.720 --> 00:27:56.480 and I think it's important for this organization to have a face that is very 343 00:27:56.519 --> 00:28:00.279 clearly the one voice. And I think that's why it took a while to 344 00:28:00.279 --> 00:28:06.200 find the president of basketball Operations. They wanted to find the right person and 345 00:28:06.279 --> 00:28:08.960 I think they believe they found that in Trades in Langdon. And the hardest 346 00:28:08.960 --> 00:28:14.440 thing for him is it was kind of a similar thing to what the hardest 347 00:28:14.440 --> 00:28:21.519 thing for Troy was. Is He's coming into a situation where's he's starting fresh. 348 00:28:21.640 --> 00:28:23.359 He gets to implement his ideas and how he would run things, but 349 00:28:23.400 --> 00:28:30.400 he also has to be cognizant of yeah, maybe he has new ideas, 350 00:28:30.480 --> 00:28:33.519 maybe he wants to slow plate a little bit. But the fan base here 351 00:28:33.559 --> 00:28:37.519 has been watching losing basketball for twenty years. So how do you straddle that 352 00:28:37.559 --> 00:28:42.880 line of not necessarily mortgaging the future, still having a bit of patience, 353 00:28:42.920 --> 00:28:48.119 but also improving on the floor sooner rather than later. That's the tricky situation. 354 00:28:48.279 --> 00:28:53.200 Anybody who has taken this job or the job equivalent of it, over 355 00:28:53.200 --> 00:28:59.400 the last few years has is because, like I said, the fans here 356 00:28:59.480 --> 00:29:03.160 are just really chomping at the bit for some competitive basketball. But these people 357 00:29:03.200 --> 00:29:07.680 come in it's they also have a duty to do what they think is best, 358 00:29:07.720 --> 00:29:12.279 even if that is slow playing. Really well written articles, thought provoking 359 00:29:12.359 --> 00:29:18.559 articles, especially from James Edwards on The Athletic, not just about Monty Williams 360 00:29:18.559 --> 00:29:22.720 and the reason that he was let go, but also the possibilities of who 361 00:29:22.799 --> 00:29:25.640 takes his place that we'll get into here. You can follo him on Twitter 362 00:29:25.920 --> 00:29:30.440 at Jail Edwards the third he's joining us here on x'es and bros. What 363 00:29:30.480 --> 00:29:37.200 should fans read into We complain all the time about certain owners not spending money. 364 00:29:37.400 --> 00:29:41.680 Tom Gores was willing to eat sixty five million dollars. Say what you 365 00:29:41.720 --> 00:29:45.400 want about Tom Gores. I know it hasn't been successful in his era, 366 00:29:47.400 --> 00:29:51.480 But his willingness to admit the mistake, or willingness to bring in a guy 367 00:29:51.920 --> 00:29:56.240 and given the power that would override tom Gore's mistake. Because you wrote in 368 00:29:56.279 --> 00:30:02.839 The Athletic yesterday he didn't like the choice of Lee or Alie, so he 369 00:30:02.920 --> 00:30:07.720 went back to Monty Williams brought him on board. He's got to eat that 370 00:30:07.920 --> 00:30:11.720 money. What should fans read into about Tom Gores's willingness to say I was 371 00:30:11.759 --> 00:30:17.400 wrong, I'm giving trades in Langdon full Marx, and he can move forward 372 00:30:17.400 --> 00:30:22.680 with how I see he sees fit. Yeah, I mean you do want. 373 00:30:22.920 --> 00:30:26.720 The worst thing you can do, I mean in life, but also 374 00:30:26.759 --> 00:30:30.799 in sports is double down on a mistake right and try to prove the mistake 375 00:30:30.960 --> 00:30:40.039 right and backfiring even more inspirally. So yeah, you get credit for acknowledging 376 00:30:40.039 --> 00:30:44.319 the mistake. And it's very clear he went on the record saying how involved 377 00:30:44.359 --> 00:30:48.839 he was in getting Monty here, and he's showing that he's willing to admit 378 00:30:48.920 --> 00:30:52.839 that by paying sixty five million dollars. So that might not have been the 379 00:30:52.880 --> 00:30:56.079 right choice. So there's props there. You also can make the case, 380 00:30:56.119 --> 00:31:00.680 well, you probably shouldn't have offered the guy the job didn't wanted in the 381 00:31:00.680 --> 00:31:04.240 first place, but the fact that he was able to admit the mistake obviously 382 00:31:04.319 --> 00:31:11.920 is a sign of Uh. I'll say this, I think gors while there's 383 00:31:11.920 --> 00:31:17.039 obviously been flaws in his tenure, I think he has spent and that is 384 00:31:17.119 --> 00:31:19.920 not I don't think that's really been a like a question. He spent money 385 00:31:19.960 --> 00:31:26.240 at every turn bringing the team back downtown, even if they want the right 386 00:31:26.319 --> 00:31:30.000 choices going to get a blake. Griffin stan Van Gundy, who was obviously 387 00:31:30.039 --> 00:31:33.400 one of the most prize coaches at the time, even Dwayne Tacy, Monty 388 00:31:33.480 --> 00:31:37.799 Williams. He definitely tries to go for the big splash and the names and 389 00:31:38.519 --> 00:31:41.920 the people who have who have had success, and even if it costs a 390 00:31:41.960 --> 00:31:47.119 lot of money, he's done that. But I think what they're going to 391 00:31:47.160 --> 00:31:51.119 on Barking now is something that I kind of wish that they would have did 392 00:31:52.160 --> 00:31:56.440 when they started the last coaching search and even a little bit before, just 393 00:31:56.480 --> 00:32:02.200 getting guys who have a more modern younger guys maybe not his experience, to 394 00:32:02.319 --> 00:32:06.839 have a more modern day view on the game, whether that's in the front 395 00:32:06.839 --> 00:32:08.519 office or on the coaching staff. And I think this time around they're going 396 00:32:08.559 --> 00:32:13.440 to have that person in both. And I think that's important because I'm the 397 00:32:13.440 --> 00:32:15.680 floor. They've started that rebuild for the first time right where they're building through 398 00:32:15.680 --> 00:32:19.359 the draft, building through youth. That hasn't worked yet, right, but 399 00:32:20.039 --> 00:32:24.000 it was at least something new and something different, and they're trying and Kate. 400 00:32:24.279 --> 00:32:28.799 Getting Kate out of all that has been obviously one of the blessings in 401 00:32:28.839 --> 00:32:34.000 disguise, but now transferring that to the top decision makers I think is very 402 00:32:34.000 --> 00:32:38.599 important just to get people in there with pressure eyes more to prove willing to 403 00:32:38.640 --> 00:32:43.720 prove, eager, to prove that they deserve these positions, which obviously makes 404 00:32:43.720 --> 00:32:47.960 them want to be in Detroit and give all they got. So I certainly 405 00:32:49.000 --> 00:32:51.319 think that's going to be I don't know if it's going to work right, 406 00:32:51.440 --> 00:32:53.480 like, I can't predict that, but I do like the approach if they're 407 00:32:53.519 --> 00:32:59.839 going with kind of fresh minds, modern day young thinkers at both the front 408 00:32:59.920 --> 00:33:02.039 end office lead role and the coaching staff lead role. Now, let's say 409 00:33:02.039 --> 00:33:07.119 you're let's say you're sitting down tragent Langdon and a new head coach, and 410 00:33:07.160 --> 00:33:08.640 you do the interview, and then they turn around and ask you this, 411 00:33:10.240 --> 00:33:17.119 what will be the most important thing I do to try and get fans back 412 00:33:17.160 --> 00:33:23.480 on board with this franchise. What would your answer be? I think they 413 00:33:23.559 --> 00:33:30.880 kind of did that yesterday by just completely new faces, admitting how bad last 414 00:33:30.960 --> 00:33:37.240 year was, trying to distance themselves from that and starting fresh. Now, 415 00:33:37.279 --> 00:33:43.759 beyond that, I think they have to at least try to attract. Like 416 00:33:43.759 --> 00:33:45.920 I'm not saying they should go out like they can go out and get like 417 00:33:45.960 --> 00:33:49.839 Paul George or Lebron James right like that. That's just there's only two or 418 00:33:49.880 --> 00:33:52.880 three teams in the league that are getting those guys in free agency. But 419 00:33:52.920 --> 00:33:58.920 go out in free agency, get some proven NBA talent to take the lesser 420 00:33:58.960 --> 00:34:01.759 load, take a let's load off your young players. Make them not feel 421 00:34:01.759 --> 00:34:07.079 like every mistake or every dribble or every shot is consequential to winning and losing. 422 00:34:07.799 --> 00:34:12.760 Allow them to develop in a more healthier environment. But also have pieces 423 00:34:12.760 --> 00:34:17.639 in place to put around kid to put around, to put around Simone Fontechio 424 00:34:19.320 --> 00:34:23.000 that make this team better immediately. I think there needs to be a better 425 00:34:23.079 --> 00:34:29.639 balance of proving NBA talent on this roster and still continuing to develop the youth 426 00:34:29.639 --> 00:34:35.480 within good answer. I love reading your stuff because you don't just give us 427 00:34:35.480 --> 00:34:37.639 the obvious that many Williams was fired and here's why. But you give us 428 00:34:38.239 --> 00:34:44.920 then choices, and yesterday you came up with seven of them that people should 429 00:34:44.960 --> 00:34:47.760 be at least on the lookout for, and not all names that we're familiar 430 00:34:47.800 --> 00:34:52.559 with. I don't have to go through all seven. People can subscribe to 431 00:34:52.599 --> 00:34:55.280 The Athletic and read about it. It's really good stuff. But is there 432 00:34:55.320 --> 00:35:00.599 a common thread amongst the seven possible candidate, it's that you listed in the 433 00:35:00.639 --> 00:35:05.920 Athletic yesterday, and if so, what is it. Yeah, outside of 434 00:35:06.000 --> 00:35:13.360 James Brego, if I remember correctly, every name would be a first year 435 00:35:13.400 --> 00:35:19.039 head coach at the NBA level. So I, like I said previously, 436 00:35:19.039 --> 00:35:23.760 Like I certainly think that's important. Now, some fans might want somebody in 437 00:35:23.840 --> 00:35:28.000 there who's done it before, right, Like, I understand that, But 438 00:35:28.199 --> 00:35:30.920 they've done that the last ten years and that hasn't worked. So why not 439 00:35:31.079 --> 00:35:36.639 try somebody new that that comes in eager to prove that they want to be 440 00:35:36.679 --> 00:35:42.199 a head coach, eager to prove that they should have this opportunity, and 441 00:35:42.280 --> 00:35:45.360 willing to do so. So Guys like Sean Sweeney, who people remember was 442 00:35:45.360 --> 00:35:52.079 an assistant under Dwayne his first few years here in Detroit and has been gotten 443 00:35:52.159 --> 00:35:54.239 rave reviews like Yeah, I did a story a few years ago where Giannis 444 00:35:54.280 --> 00:36:00.320 credits him for turning him into the killer that he's become and Griffin speaking highly 445 00:36:00.360 --> 00:36:06.239 of him. Sean Sweeney just finished the finals as Jason Kids lead assistant. 446 00:36:07.199 --> 00:36:12.639 Mikeah Norri another guy who was on that same staff with Shawn Sweeney underdoing he 447 00:36:12.719 --> 00:36:15.360 was just the lead assistant in Minnesota who was the best team in the West 448 00:36:16.000 --> 00:36:21.639 and filled in for Chris Finch when he injured his knee in the postseason. 449 00:36:22.760 --> 00:36:27.400 Another guy, young, creative, younger, creative, offensive minded, while 450 00:36:27.400 --> 00:36:31.159 Sweeney has earned his chops defensively. So I think there are names like that 451 00:36:31.280 --> 00:36:37.320 out there. Javis Spirego didn't go well in Charlotte until like the last year 452 00:36:37.360 --> 00:36:40.159 when they won forty four to forty five games, but he was also hindered 453 00:36:40.199 --> 00:36:44.840 with a lot of injuries on that roster and a weird kind of flawed roster 454 00:36:44.920 --> 00:36:46.800 too. And you talk to people around the league and they consider him one 455 00:36:46.840 --> 00:36:52.599 of the better offensive mines in basketball. So you got names like Chris Quinn, 456 00:36:52.639 --> 00:36:57.719 who's been sposed right hand man for a few years now, Will Weaver, 457 00:36:57.880 --> 00:37:00.000 who has worked with Trajan in the past but was also up for the 458 00:37:00.039 --> 00:37:06.159 Oklahoma City job before the hired Mark Dagnall, Jerome Allen, maybe even Jared 459 00:37:06.239 --> 00:37:09.239 Jack. Like, there's names out there of young, hungary, forward thinking 460 00:37:09.320 --> 00:37:15.280 coaches, and I think the Pistons have will have several opportunities and several people 461 00:37:15.320 --> 00:37:22.400 to interview and walk away happy with. I noticed two omissions and it's not 462 00:37:22.440 --> 00:37:24.519 like I'm I'm going to sit here and try to fight for either one of 463 00:37:24.519 --> 00:37:28.920 these guys, But they are names that have been linked to other jobs. 464 00:37:29.239 --> 00:37:34.960 One is JJ Reddick and the other is Darvin Ham, who, as you 465 00:37:35.000 --> 00:37:38.559 and I both know, was on the Pistons last championship team, did a 466 00:37:38.639 --> 00:37:43.760 wonderful job his first year in LA and then something happened and now is in 467 00:37:43.840 --> 00:37:46.880 Milwaukee. Is Doc Rivers top assistant? Why neither of those on that list 468 00:37:46.880 --> 00:37:51.920 that you listed in the athletic and what are the likelihood of either one at 469 00:37:52.000 --> 00:37:58.920 least getting an opportunity to talk to Trajan Langdon about the chances I would have 470 00:37:59.480 --> 00:38:02.559 just from what I know and talking to people, I think JJ is pretty 471 00:38:02.639 --> 00:38:07.199 much a shoe in for the Lakers, so I didn't include him on there 472 00:38:07.239 --> 00:38:10.760 for that reason. I feel like that's his job and it's going to happen, 473 00:38:10.920 --> 00:38:15.159 though they have not yet offered it to him. He's long been the 474 00:38:15.159 --> 00:38:17.159 front runner. Yeah, do you like that? Do you like that? 475 00:38:17.199 --> 00:38:21.719 By the way, a guy going from the analyst booth to the to the 476 00:38:21.719 --> 00:38:25.079 sidelines. I like him doing it. I think it's good for him. 477 00:38:25.119 --> 00:38:30.320 I just listening to him over the years and on the broadcast and on his 478 00:38:30.400 --> 00:38:34.800 podcast, Like, he's the type of mind that I think the Pistons would 479 00:38:34.800 --> 00:38:39.679 benefit from in terms of tension to detail, offensive, creativity, personal, 480 00:38:39.960 --> 00:38:43.840 relatable to players. Like I think JJ's gonna be a great coach. But 481 00:38:44.400 --> 00:38:47.760 yeah, he was. The names I've heard his name is has come up 482 00:38:47.960 --> 00:38:52.159 and talking to people for a name that the Pistons would be interested in. 483 00:38:52.239 --> 00:38:55.280 But I think it's pretty agreed upon he's going to be a Lakers coach. 484 00:38:57.119 --> 00:39:01.000 And then Darvinham obviously, like you said, weird deal in LA he did 485 00:39:01.039 --> 00:39:05.760 just sign with Doc Rivers's staff. I don't know how that works contractually once 486 00:39:05.760 --> 00:39:10.159 he does that, but I think that would be a little bit more of 487 00:39:10.199 --> 00:39:15.159 a tough sell right now for where the Pistons are and just the season the 488 00:39:15.239 --> 00:39:22.079 Lakers just had. Yeah, certainly not to say that I believe that Darvin 489 00:39:22.119 --> 00:39:24.440 should, one hundred percent, like not have been, still be the coach 490 00:39:24.440 --> 00:39:30.000 of the Lakers, but I think it's important to maybe just bring in like 491 00:39:31.760 --> 00:39:37.519 somebody else just because you don't want to You don't want to have any people 492 00:39:37.519 --> 00:39:42.320 who have preconceived notions about a person as a coach right now when you're this 493 00:39:42.440 --> 00:39:45.760 fragile as an organization. I think one one final question for you, because 494 00:39:45.800 --> 00:39:51.480 it kind of sparked this when you said that fresh faces need something new. 495 00:39:51.840 --> 00:39:54.440 All the assistance that you've listed and you've you've gone down their credentials, it's 496 00:39:54.480 --> 00:39:59.719 been really well ridden in it, and it's really helped me and I hope 497 00:39:59.760 --> 00:40:02.480 other talk show hosts as you move forwards with some of these names. But 498 00:40:04.199 --> 00:40:07.639 as I brought up earlier today, I said, look, we could say 499 00:40:07.639 --> 00:40:10.280 what we want, but retread maybe not the exact term you use, but 500 00:40:12.079 --> 00:40:16.280 the championship coaches in this market have been retreads. Chuck Day was a retread, 501 00:40:16.320 --> 00:40:21.119 Larry Brown a retreat, Scotti Bowman, Mike Babcock retreads right, Jim 502 00:40:21.239 --> 00:40:28.360 Leland, Sparky Anderson retreads. What's wrong with finding the right guy who has 503 00:40:28.559 --> 00:40:34.199 already plenty of experience under his belt but has just dealt a bad hand at 504 00:40:34.239 --> 00:40:37.599 his previous stop. Why does it have to be a new face, a 505 00:40:37.719 --> 00:40:40.800 fresh face from someone who's never been a head coach before. Is it have 506 00:40:40.920 --> 00:40:46.400 to do with the roster and where this franchise is at, or just because 507 00:40:46.400 --> 00:40:52.840 it's something different that they haven't had. Yeah, I don't think it necessarily 508 00:40:52.960 --> 00:40:57.480 has to be that, and I don't want to make it feel like that 509 00:40:58.599 --> 00:41:01.719 there's not a chance that those person people can get a job, get this 510 00:41:01.840 --> 00:41:07.360 job. I would say that I think with the type of makeup on the 511 00:41:07.440 --> 00:41:13.039 roster, young talent in need of development. Like at the end of the 512 00:41:13.119 --> 00:41:16.119 day, we can say what we want if they win thirty five games next 513 00:41:16.159 --> 00:41:20.639 year, and it's because all whatever veterans they brought in were really good. 514 00:41:21.079 --> 00:41:23.079 Like, that's not good for the long term health of the organization. This 515 00:41:23.159 --> 00:41:30.480 team needs its young players to develop, and I think that's where you come 516 00:41:30.519 --> 00:41:34.960 in and you try to find a young coach who has development experience, who 517 00:41:34.960 --> 00:41:38.320 has new ideas, creative ideas, and I think you try to see how 518 00:41:38.320 --> 00:41:43.159 that benefits them. And yeah, I agree with you, Like retread coaches 519 00:41:43.199 --> 00:41:46.920 have had success in the city and beyond, Right, But if you look 520 00:41:46.960 --> 00:41:52.079 at the Piston's history, going for the big name and winning the headline has 521 00:41:52.119 --> 00:41:57.159 not worked in the past, right, And I mean we did just one 522 00:41:57.199 --> 00:42:00.000 Coach of the Year. Yeah, many will wanted too. Yeah, I 523 00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:04.480 did. Think it's an opportunity to try something different. So if it doesn't 524 00:42:04.519 --> 00:42:07.360 work, you're checking every box and saying, look, we're trying, it's 525 00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:12.719 just not connecting right now. Well said and always well written. Thanks for 526 00:42:12.760 --> 00:42:15.079 your time, man, really appreciate it. Have a great weekend. Okay, 527 00:42:15.079 --> 00:42:17.159 buddy, I'm all right. You bet that's James Edwards. 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