Get some facts and come back and Seebee. Get some facts and come back
and Seebee. Don't throw out salaries or other things. Get some facts and
come back and Seebee. You can't handle the true now told our players you
need a bit more like a dog. We don't need a bunch of cats
in here looking in the mirror. But I look good. I got my
extra bands on, I got my other shoes. Be a doll. We
don't need no meals, We don't need no cats. We need more dogs.
Why not a detain Oh you're not that day? But we weren't good.
There's no sense of asking me things about the game. I'm telling you
we laid an egg. So I'm not gonna break it down for you.
He sucks. He sucked, but he laid an egg. That's all I
have to say. Guys, I'm sorry. I'm not gonna break it down
for you. Nothing went well for us. It's on us. We have
to figure it out every way. Dad final out. At the program bottom
of the hour, James Edwards from the Athletic joins us to talk about where
the Pistons go now that Manti Williams has been fired and Tom Gores's willingness to
eat the remainder of his massive contract. That contract at the time was the
highest of any NBA head coach. It was a six year, seventy eight
and a half million dollar contract. He's going to beat well over sixty five
million of it. There's something to be said for that, for a manager
or a owner to admit this isn't working. So Trajan Langdon, one of
the things obviously for him to come in to his role of running this organization
was what I got to bring in my own guys, and Tom Gores relented
and was willing to do that. So Manti Williams is out and James Edwards
will talk to us about that, what he thinks the direction will be moving
forward, and perhaps a few other things. He will join us at eight
thirty five. Tigers lose seven zip yesterday to Atlanta and Raynaldo Lopez who just
picked him up and mowed him down, And Detroit has now dropped four in
a row and they are a season worst six games under five hundred. Stanley
Cup Finals don't get back to action until tomorrow night, and our pole question
is out there for you as well. And the pole question is relatively simple.
What do you want in the Pistons next head coach, a current young
assistant, a former head coach, or a former player. Somebody on our
Twitter pool said option four doesn't matter. It's going to be a blank show
anyway. That's kind of funny. Ben liked this because exes and bros.
You know, we've got it out there on our website, or I should
say, on our Twitter page. And Ben runs that for us. Does
a great job runn in the forest and he says, this guy says,
please give us a head coach that the players will play hard for and can
get the players to play together with some defense thrown in. That's from Terry
and that's a good one. Yeah, any coach. Look, what wasn't
it blatantly obvious? I get that offense is glitzy. I understand that we
all want three pointers and highlight alley oops and all that stuff. Understood,
But isn't blatantly obvious that the best team or the best teams also play at
the other end of the floor. Boston was really good, really engaged defensively.
Now, Minnesota is one of the best defensive teams in the league,
and they didn't get there, but they got pretty far and as a Pistons
fan, you would take that too. We go back to our Meyer hotline
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You have? We got Robert and Pontiac. Hey, Robert, how are
you man? Good to have you on board on a Thursday. I'm real
good man. How are you. How's your midsummer going? It's going all
right. Would like to get a little bit cooler, but I'm not going
to complain because during the winter time I complained that it's not warm enough.
So forget that. There you go. Even takes place. Yeah, I
wanted just to start off maybe a week or two ago you had done coach
Greg, Greg Campy, and I really enjoyed that interview a lot. This
all you guys, So so it was he just seems like a bottle of
wine. He just gets better with ah. So he really he said it
all in that interview. Yeah, very revealing, very reflective. I enjoyed
it too. Yeah it was good stuff. Yeah yeah, sure sure.
And then this past week we lost some really great athletes Chat Walker, Jerry
West, and now Willie Mays. That's that's what we're athletes of my youth.
In that I remember them well even yeah, even today. I mean
you think about you think about what major League Baseball is going to do and
going back to a historical site where Willie May's actually played and he wasn't able
to do that. My hope is, yeah, yeah, my hope is
that no matter what I mean, there's no excuse for young a younger generation
today to not know or understand the impact of a player like Willie Mays because
you can go back and you can do so much research on the internet and
it doesn't take you very long. I mean, you can just go to
Baseball Reference dot com if you want, and you can understand the impact that
Willie Mays had on the field. What we can't truly understand or come to
grips with unless you lived it like you did, was the impact he made
off the field as well. Oh absolutely, yeah, those those those were
great days. You I would run home from school to want the World Series.
You know, there weren't night games, there were day games, right,
But exactly thinking about like team building, You've been talking about that maybe
for even a week or two kind of here and there talking about baseball and
what I lament about the current situation in baseball is the last time there was
the CBA labor talks, there was a players put forward to a minimum budget
a team had to spend. I think the number was one hundred and sixty
million as a low ball, and I think that is something that should maybe
be experimented with because, as if I understand it right, a team could
spend zero to unlimited amount of money. There's no salary cap low or high.
That's correct, there's a luxury cap there. In other words, if
you spend over a certain amount, you can then get text on it.
But I don't recall that. You're going to have to refresh my memory.
I don't recall them saying you have to spend a minimum. And the reason
they didn't, I believe, is because then the owners would come back and
say, okay, well then there's also a maximum. You didn't and players
don't want it didn't go through. It's a mood point. It didn't go
through. But there was a talk about that, because that's how you make
a regional player into a national player. If you win a playoff game.
You look at the Lions, for example, there are national talks. But
even if for a baseball player, get out of a regional status. He
needs to win a playoff game a picture for example. And if a team
cook who had had enough money to spend and put a productive team on the
field, you could get that player to be a national player, and hence
his contract would rise, his profile would rise. Yeah, that makes more
fans come to the park, et cetera. That we were talking about earlier.
Yeah, no, I don't you tell me. I don't just agree
with that. Here's here's the thing I might come back at. I think
one of the most, if not the most underrated player is Jose Ramirez.
Do you consider him a national player? I mean, Cleveland's won divisions,
He's been in the playoffs before, they haven't had great success there, is
he a national player? Minnesota won a division last year, won the division
last year, won a series against the Yankees. Who on their team is
a national player? Well, abrall I was a national player. I think
in my mind, left handed hitter who hits about three fifties sometimes for who
or Minnesota? Now you think he's playing with Miami? Now a bree you
Yeah, okay, not familiar? Not familiar with the Manasoda player last year
named a brilla. Maybe I nunciated wrong, but Ramirez took a sweetheart deal.
Kind of he could have got a lot more, but he took a
nice deal, and he seems really happy in Cleveland. He wanted to stay
there because no one. No one scouted him but Cleveland as a young teenager,
and he just stuck with that. Now I get it, and you
bring up an interesting point. You make me think. That's what I love
about these conversations. Thanks to the phone call, we've got to hit a
break. I apologize. You make me think about things in a different way.
I mean, look, JD. Martinez could have had a really good
deal here in Detroit. Tiger's believed in him more than anybody else. He
chose to leave. There's no sweetheart deal there. I give Jose Ramirez a
ton of credit. I don't know if reaching the postseason makes you a national
name. It sure doesn't hurt. I mean, everybody knows about, you
know, Mike Trout and his accomplishments, but his teams don't make the playoffs.
But he's a national name. It's obviously because he one of the best
players of his generation. So it's probably the wrong example. But yeah,
look, I think I think what you and I would both agree on.
You got to spend money, a little bit more money than some of these
teams have spent, especially Detroit, and spend it in the right direction.
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Edwards from the Athletic will join us and we'll talk about what the Pistons need
to do moving forward. Sometimes social media drives you crazy. You know,
it can be a mean space. But other times, I mean, people
put together some stuff that is absolutely hilarious. I follow on account. It's
called Super seventy Sports and it's a shot of Lynn Swan playing against the Cleveland
Browns. Okay in Cleveland, I believe, and way back in the day.
Back in the seventies, people are parking cars on the field of play.
This is how different it is today. People are parking cars in the
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It's crazy, absolutely crazy. Let me get to some texts. I want
to make sure we get these in because we're going to be joined by James
Edwards at thirty five after the hour to talk about Pistons and the text line
Sports Radio is twenty one thousand. Then go ahead, buddy. Yeah.
It says the Tigers play soon uninspired, they have no drive or fire.
Makes me wonder what AJ is telling them. Well, it's hard to it's
hard to argue with the lack of passion that you see. The only thing
I try to caution people on is just because a team is losing or is
in a losing rut doesn't mean that they're not passionate about what they do,
because passion is very it's very subjective. You know. I in my world
when I was broadcasting, and I felt like I was being passionate, some
people thought I was being fake. I would get people who don't like me,
and that's fine. You're bound to find that. Who are saying,
come on, give it a rest, It's just a home run in June.
Who cares well I was? I mean that was real for me.
I was passionate for it. Certain guys. Magic Johnson once hugged Kareem abdul
Jabbar after he made a game winning shot and it was like the first week
of his rookie season, and Magic Johnson went crazy, and Kareem dul Jabbar
is like, hey man, we got a long way to go. This
is a long That's who Magic Johnson was, So give him credit. Why
change these guys? You know, one hundred and sixty two games. Can
you expect them to be juiced up every single time? I can expect them
to. I mean, I would hope so. But just because you're getting
the crap caked out of his seven nothing doesn't mean that there isn't emotion there.
On the other hand, as a fan like you watching this team,
there's something missing, And aj Hinch admitted it the other day. He said,
you know, we're not in a good place right now, So how
are you supposed to argue that? So I hear where you're coming from,
and I think I think you're pretty close to being on point there. It
is a little surprising. Sometimes you need a restart, a reset in season,
and perhaps they're getting that with the day off in Chicago coming to highand
tomorrow. Ben what else we got? There's a question who is the Tiger's
hitting coach? Shouldn't he accept some responsibility for the Tiger's poor offense? Yeah,
I figured you would get something like this, and I understand why it
comes, especially at this time. Look, there's how much do you lay
at the feet of a pitching coach or a hitting coach? And those are
all fair points. Trying to fix somebody in season can be really challenging.
I'm not going to make excuses though, because I think at some point you
have to make a change. Something's not working. So you're asking who their
hitting coaches are, right, So Keith Bouregard is one of them. Michael
Badar is another one, and they just hired before the season Lance. So
what DISGI is the assistant hitting coach? Is it up to them? I
can tell you this. Here's what they do. Every single day, they
have a hitters meeting. So I'm just taking you under the hood. Here,
you're taking batting practice or you're getting ready for batting practice. Before BP,
they go down and they have a five to ten minute, no more
than ten minutes, a hitters meeting. This is who we're facing today,
Rinaldo Lopez. And here's who you will likely see. I don't know if
you know this, but managers before a series, they'll talk to the other
managers say, hey, listen, you know these are kind of the guys.
This is where I'm leaning. Okay, it'll give you all their secrets,
but they'll tell you this is kind of where I'm leaning. It's a
professional courtesy of you know, looking forward to the rest of the series.
So the day before they may you know, if it's if there's a guy
a TBD, a pitcher, they're going to say to that guy. They're
going to say to the opposing manager, hey listen, I'll tell you who
I'm starting by the time you know, we leave the ballpark tonight for tomorrow.
As far as relievers, not that they're telling you who they're going to
leave or who they're going to bring in, but you get a pretty good
idea based on their usage. You see how often they've been used, so
you've got a really good idea of where they're going after a certain part of
your lineup or a certain part of the game. So the hitters meeting is
there. You're going over Ronald Lopez and some of the other relievers and what
they're bringing and what what your approach needs to be against this guy because this
is what he throws. And you know they're not they're not trying to delude
you with so much information that your head is spinning, but they you know
there's there's a knowledge there. Then you have to ask yourself how much is
Keith Beauregard and Michael Bardard truly responsible for Cole Keith digging in and swinging and
missing it a ninety four mile an hour fastball. Is that on the coach
or is that on the player? As aj Hinch said the other day,
the approach is the right approach. We're going about it. The right way.
The execution is not there, so I have to ask you are you
mad at the approach? Which you and I in fairness to us, we
don't know. You don't know what the approach is. I'm not sitting here
talking about it. You're getting ready for a ballgame. You and I sit
down, turn on the clicker, and then we just watched the at bats.
The execution is not there, but what about the approach? Can you
tell what the approach is? So that's the thing you have to ask yourself.
A j Hin says, the approaches the right approach. The execution is
not there. What does that tell you? It tells you it's on the
player, So you may not agree with it. I'm just telling you what's
going on and how you read it. That's all. It's a good text.
At some point you recognize, Okay, it's not really working, so
we've got to make a change. I don't know when that point is.
But this offense the last two years has been terrible, So I understand why
you would think how that needs to be addressed. We're going to address the
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He is James Edwards the Third. He joins us of the Athletic here on
X's and Bros. To talk about the firing of Monty Williams and where the
Pistons go from here. James, always appreciate your time. I know it's
valuable. You are one of the few guys who actually did not think that
the Pistons would stick with Monty Williams when Trajan Langdon was brought in. They
have fired him and they will eat roughly sixty five million dollars of his contract.
What made you think or not convinced that they would fire him and how
surprised were you that they did move on from Monty Williams after just one year.
Yeah, I appreciate you have me on. I think there's a couple
of things that led to me not only sure if he was going to be
back. I mean, one, the record spoke for itself. The losing
streak spoke for itself. It's a team obviously very young and the roster flawed,
but they had Kate Cunningham for over sixty games, play it close to
a posting similar numbers to some All Stars, and still found a way to
win less games than they did when he basically missed all of the previous season.
So that's that's certainly not something that it's something you certainly have to contemplate
right. Secondly, I think just the opportunity to start fresh. It's not
often for this organization that they've had a chance to revamp the front office and
the coach at the same time, and the opportunity presented itself. I just
think it would have been a really hard sell to fans to go into next
year with kind of any of the top decision makers, whether they'm the coaching
staff or front office after what just happened. And it's definitely just like talking
to people close to the situation, just I just kind of always felt like
it might be a long process, but it felt like that they would reach
this conclusion eventually, and Trajan came in, had a lot to do immediately,
Gorris had time to contemplate kind of how they wanted to present this new
situation that they're ushering into, and yeah, it all kind of culminated to
yesterday when it was announced that he was gone. What was your what you
read on the timing? I mean, the NBA Draft isn't far from right
now, how do you what do you think about the timing of the whole
situation. Yeah, I mean it's not like perfect timing, but I don't
think it's as detrimental as others like to me, they don't need to have
a coach in until summer league. The draft is the draft, like,
whoever's running the front office is going to pick who they want. And there's
still a lot of solid candidates that I mean, there are two other teams
to still going through a coasting shirt. So I think there are enough candidates
out there that there would have been interest if they would have had some of
the guys that they could still get today or some guys they would have interviewed
if this happened a month and a half ago. I'll say that for sure,
the Trajan langdon higher and obviously the power that he on wields. How
justified is it and what do you think his biggest challenge will be? It's
certainly justified. I think this is a guy that has checked every box that
you would want for somebody now in his position. First of all, played
at Duke, played in the NBA. People don't know that he majored in
math while playing at Duke and being a professional baseball player. Very smart guy,
very outside the box, thinker, very patient, I've heard, and
then obviously in New Orleans and Brooklyn, he's had experience in the NBA,
and I think it's important for this organization to have a face that is very
clearly the one voice. And I think that's why it took a while to
find the president of basketball Operations. They wanted to find the right person and
I think they believe they found that in Trades in Langdon. And the hardest
thing for him is it was kind of a similar thing to what the hardest
thing for Troy was. Is He's coming into a situation where's he's starting fresh.
He gets to implement his ideas and how he would run things, but
he also has to be cognizant of yeah, maybe he has new ideas,
maybe he wants to slow plate a little bit. But the fan base here
has been watching losing basketball for twenty years. So how do you straddle that
line of not necessarily mortgaging the future, still having a bit of patience,
but also improving on the floor sooner rather than later. That's the tricky situation.
Anybody who has taken this job or the job equivalent of it, over
the last few years has is because, like I said, the fans here
are just really chomping at the bit for some competitive basketball. But these people
come in it's they also have a duty to do what they think is best,
even if that is slow playing. Really well written articles, thought provoking
articles, especially from James Edwards on The Athletic, not just about Monty Williams
and the reason that he was let go, but also the possibilities of who
takes his place that we'll get into here. You can follo him on Twitter
at Jail Edwards the third he's joining us here on x'es and bros. What
should fans read into We complain all the time about certain owners not spending money.
Tom Gores was willing to eat sixty five million dollars. Say what you
want about Tom Gores. I know it hasn't been successful in his era,
But his willingness to admit the mistake, or willingness to bring in a guy
and given the power that would override tom Gore's mistake. Because you wrote in
The Athletic yesterday he didn't like the choice of Lee or Alie, so he
went back to Monty Williams brought him on board. He's got to eat that
money. What should fans read into about Tom Gores's willingness to say I was
wrong, I'm giving trades in Langdon full Marx, and he can move forward
with how I see he sees fit. Yeah, I mean you do want.
The worst thing you can do, I mean in life, but also
in sports is double down on a mistake right and try to prove the mistake
right and backfiring even more inspirally. So yeah, you get credit for acknowledging
the mistake. And it's very clear he went on the record saying how involved
he was in getting Monty here, and he's showing that he's willing to admit
that by paying sixty five million dollars. So that might not have been the
right choice. So there's props there. You also can make the case,
well, you probably shouldn't have offered the guy the job didn't wanted in the
first place, but the fact that he was able to admit the mistake obviously
is a sign of Uh. I'll say this, I think gors while there's
obviously been flaws in his tenure, I think he has spent and that is
not I don't think that's really been a like a question. He spent money
at every turn bringing the team back downtown, even if they want the right
choices going to get a blake. Griffin stan Van Gundy, who was obviously
one of the most prize coaches at the time, even Dwayne Tacy, Monty
Williams. He definitely tries to go for the big splash and the names and
the people who have who have had success, and even if it costs a
lot of money, he's done that. But I think what they're going to
on Barking now is something that I kind of wish that they would have did
when they started the last coaching search and even a little bit before, just
getting guys who have a more modern younger guys maybe not his experience, to
have a more modern day view on the game, whether that's in the front
office or on the coaching staff. And I think this time around they're going
to have that person in both. And I think that's important because I'm the
floor. They've started that rebuild for the first time right where they're building through
the draft, building through youth. That hasn't worked yet, right, but
it was at least something new and something different, and they're trying and Kate.
Getting Kate out of all that has been obviously one of the blessings in
disguise, but now transferring that to the top decision makers I think is very
important just to get people in there with pressure eyes more to prove willing to
prove, eager, to prove that they deserve these positions, which obviously makes
them want to be in Detroit and give all they got. So I certainly
think that's going to be I don't know if it's going to work right,
like, I can't predict that, but I do like the approach if they're
going with kind of fresh minds, modern day young thinkers at both the front
end office lead role and the coaching staff lead role. Now, let's say
you're let's say you're sitting down tragent Langdon and a new head coach, and
you do the interview, and then they turn around and ask you this,
what will be the most important thing I do to try and get fans back
on board with this franchise. What would your answer be? I think they
kind of did that yesterday by just completely new faces, admitting how bad last
year was, trying to distance themselves from that and starting fresh. Now,
beyond that, I think they have to at least try to attract. Like
I'm not saying they should go out like they can go out and get like
Paul George or Lebron James right like that. That's just there's only two or
three teams in the league that are getting those guys in free agency. But
go out in free agency, get some proven NBA talent to take the lesser
load, take a let's load off your young players. Make them not feel
like every mistake or every dribble or every shot is consequential to winning and losing.
Allow them to develop in a more healthier environment. But also have pieces
in place to put around kid to put around, to put around Simone Fontechio
that make this team better immediately. I think there needs to be a better
balance of proving NBA talent on this roster and still continuing to develop the youth
within good answer. I love reading your stuff because you don't just give us
the obvious that many Williams was fired and here's why. But you give us
then choices, and yesterday you came up with seven of them that people should
be at least on the lookout for, and not all names that we're familiar
with. I don't have to go through all seven. People can subscribe to
The Athletic and read about it. It's really good stuff. But is there
a common thread amongst the seven possible candidate, it's that you listed in the
Athletic yesterday, and if so, what is it. Yeah, outside of
James Brego, if I remember correctly, every name would be a first year
head coach at the NBA level. So I, like I said previously,
Like I certainly think that's important. Now, some fans might want somebody in
there who's done it before, right, Like, I understand that, But
they've done that the last ten years and that hasn't worked. So why not
try somebody new that that comes in eager to prove that they want to be
a head coach, eager to prove that they should have this opportunity, and
willing to do so. So Guys like Sean Sweeney, who people remember was
an assistant under Dwayne his first few years here in Detroit and has been gotten
rave reviews like Yeah, I did a story a few years ago where Giannis
credits him for turning him into the killer that he's become and Griffin speaking highly
of him. Sean Sweeney just finished the finals as Jason Kids lead assistant.
Mikeah Norri another guy who was on that same staff with Shawn Sweeney underdoing he
was just the lead assistant in Minnesota who was the best team in the West
and filled in for Chris Finch when he injured his knee in the postseason.
Another guy, young, creative, younger, creative, offensive minded, while
Sweeney has earned his chops defensively. So I think there are names like that
out there. Javis Spirego didn't go well in Charlotte until like the last year
when they won forty four to forty five games, but he was also hindered
with a lot of injuries on that roster and a weird kind of flawed roster
too. And you talk to people around the league and they consider him one
of the better offensive mines in basketball. So you got names like Chris Quinn,
who's been sposed right hand man for a few years now, Will Weaver,
who has worked with Trajan in the past but was also up for the
Oklahoma City job before the hired Mark Dagnall, Jerome Allen, maybe even Jared
Jack. Like, there's names out there of young, hungary, forward thinking
coaches, and I think the Pistons have will have several opportunities and several people
to interview and walk away happy with. I noticed two omissions and it's not
like I'm I'm going to sit here and try to fight for either one of
these guys, But they are names that have been linked to other jobs.
One is JJ Reddick and the other is Darvin Ham, who, as you
and I both know, was on the Pistons last championship team, did a
wonderful job his first year in LA and then something happened and now is in
Milwaukee. Is Doc Rivers top assistant? Why neither of those on that list
that you listed in the athletic and what are the likelihood of either one at
least getting an opportunity to talk to Trajan Langdon about the chances I would have
just from what I know and talking to people, I think JJ is pretty
much a shoe in for the Lakers, so I didn't include him on there
for that reason. I feel like that's his job and it's going to happen,
though they have not yet offered it to him. He's long been the
front runner. Yeah, do you like that? Do you like that?
By the way, a guy going from the analyst booth to the to the
sidelines. I like him doing it. I think it's good for him.
I just listening to him over the years and on the broadcast and on his
podcast, Like, he's the type of mind that I think the Pistons would
benefit from in terms of tension to detail, offensive, creativity, personal,
relatable to players. Like I think JJ's gonna be a great coach. But
yeah, he was. The names I've heard his name is has come up
and talking to people for a name that the Pistons would be interested in.
But I think it's pretty agreed upon he's going to be a Lakers coach.
And then Darvinham obviously, like you said, weird deal in LA he did
just sign with Doc Rivers's staff. I don't know how that works contractually once
he does that, but I think that would be a little bit more of
a tough sell right now for where the Pistons are and just the season the
Lakers just had. Yeah, certainly not to say that I believe that Darvin
should, one hundred percent, like not have been, still be the coach
of the Lakers, but I think it's important to maybe just bring in like
somebody else just because you don't want to You don't want to have any people
who have preconceived notions about a person as a coach right now when you're this
fragile as an organization. I think one one final question for you, because
it kind of sparked this when you said that fresh faces need something new.
All the assistance that you've listed and you've you've gone down their credentials, it's
been really well ridden in it, and it's really helped me and I hope
other talk show hosts as you move forwards with some of these names. But
as I brought up earlier today, I said, look, we could say
what we want, but retread maybe not the exact term you use, but
the championship coaches in this market have been retreads. Chuck Day was a retread,
Larry Brown a retreat, Scotti Bowman, Mike Babcock retreads right, Jim
Leland, Sparky Anderson retreads. What's wrong with finding the right guy who has
already plenty of experience under his belt but has just dealt a bad hand at
his previous stop. Why does it have to be a new face, a
fresh face from someone who's never been a head coach before. Is it have
to do with the roster and where this franchise is at, or just because
it's something different that they haven't had. Yeah, I don't think it necessarily
has to be that, and I don't want to make it feel like that
there's not a chance that those person people can get a job, get this
job. I would say that I think with the type of makeup on the
roster, young talent in need of development. Like at the end of the
day, we can say what we want if they win thirty five games next
year, and it's because all whatever veterans they brought in were really good.
Like, that's not good for the long term health of the organization. This
team needs its young players to develop, and I think that's where you come
in and you try to find a young coach who has development experience, who
has new ideas, creative ideas, and I think you try to see how
that benefits them. And yeah, I agree with you, Like retread coaches
have had success in the city and beyond, Right, But if you look
at the Piston's history, going for the big name and winning the headline has
not worked in the past, right, And I mean we did just one
Coach of the Year. Yeah, many will wanted too. Yeah, I
did. Think it's an opportunity to try something different. So if it doesn't
work, you're checking every box and saying, look, we're trying, it's
just not connecting right now. Well said and always well written. Thanks for
your time, man, really appreciate it. Have a great weekend. Okay,
buddy, I'm all right. You bet that's James Edwards. Yeah,
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