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Oh we got more's coming fast and
furious. Now this is getting excited.

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Forget Brook Lopez, he hasn't signed. Oh my god, you're gonna be

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the guessing game again? Or did
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Purtle, you hit another one.
You were over on sixteen million. That

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is tough for a for as good
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decent as he is, as like
a handoff hub. That's a lot of

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money for a non stretch, non
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that's is this are we gonna have
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feel like I said a lot of
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I don't like Jared Allen has a
deeper offensive bag at this point. Yeah,

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what are the Raptors doing? Well? Now you would so more or

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less likely the van fleet is back. Got to be more if you're spending

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this. Yeah, and look,
Cam Johnson, uh four for one oh

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eight? What do you think about
that? Also? We hit that you

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said or you did? You said
over twenty five million comfortably per year?

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Well he wasn't comfortable. What's that
twenty seven on average? Look at I

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could do math too, Dan,
if you give me enough time to think

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about it, Uh, I have
no problem with this. For for I'm

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actually surprised that somebody didn't, although
you know, there was less and less

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cap space over the last couple of
days. But I would not have been

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shocked to see a thirty thirty million
average annual value for him. So,

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like, I don't know if you
can say this is a screaming deal for

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Brooklyn, but I think it's hard
to go wrong with a combo forward who

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can shoot the three, you know, So twenty seven million a year on

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average is pretty solid, not like
a not a heist by any stretch,

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but but that for them, I
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little bit more of a bidding war. But so far have have have we

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seen a restricted free agent leave yet? As that I guess, I mean,

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have we seen an offer sheet even
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I did. I thought that maybe
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matching period is so like, it's
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seventy two to like thirty six or
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mean, if if you really look
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at I guess how quickly the news
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guess I kind of understand, like, all right, why teams are not

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that's not their first instinct. I
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deal just because I see a lot
of split opinions about it on Twitter.

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I know that twenty seems to be
the going rate for so with no I

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hope my palic is make a major
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a trade blown with no Detroit offer. So I'm bias pissess fans. They

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knuked their cap space with the Joe
Harris trade. I think that was a

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pretty good indicator that they didn't view
Cam Johnson as gettable. But I guess

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the theory is like, look at
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already agreed to that. You don't
want to waste your time throwing money to

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restricted free agent you assume another team
is going to match. So but I

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was wrong in the sense that I
thought this might be a year where we

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see a little bit more restricted free
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you know? So, I mean
Austin Reeves is kind of one of the

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most interesting restricted free agents, So
do we think maybe because I was dead

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set on he's someone's going to offer
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four years and the Lakers will mash
it. I'm kind of thinking now it's

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not going to take that for the
Lakers because so far, like we're not

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seeing restricted free agent offers. Sheet's
thrown out there for the reasons you mentioned.

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I mean, if if the Lakers
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at a at a Yaka Peartle level, let's say, like pay pay

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him four for eighty, it could
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probant to get back to this Peartle
deal, because it's sticking with me,

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I don't it might be my third, my secondly favorite one, behind that

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Reggie Jackson atrocity. By the way, whenever I'm commenting on these, anyone

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who listens to us regularly knows good
for Reggie Jackson. We like his sort

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of renaissance with the Clippers was awesome. This has nothing to do with him.

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If they could have given him more
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think they should have given him more. I'm happy for players when they get

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paid. I don't understand this from
Nuggets perspective at all. Just like with

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the Raptors, they were clearly pot
committed because you gave up a top six

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protected first round pick for some reason. I just I don't know, man,

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like four for eighty when on this
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here is four for eighty on this
team. You can say that, Okay,

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that's what that's like Jared Allen money, which is fine, But I

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think Jared Allen's probably a lot better
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as a screener and he is a
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we're spacing is so hard to come
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necessarily understand it, and like it
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in the new cap climate, where
it's, okay, this is what fifteen

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fourteen percent of the new salary cap. I guess that first starting center is

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fine, But the theory of this
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sense. Like how intrigued are you
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Barnes, Yako Peardle, and Pascal
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at the same time, Like I
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can shoot, but like, I
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four players together basically right now,
unless you see Scotty Barnes improve his jumper

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or we see Pascal Siakam hit more
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one point. I just I don't
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were me, you obviously you wouldn't
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I just like I would pay Brook
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per year right now. And Brook, well, I'm saying Brook Lopez is

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thirty five, Yaco Peurdle's like,
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even know how old he is,
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think he is. He's twenty seven, so he's like eight years younger.

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sixty before I gave Yaka Peardle three
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agree. Get let's let's walk through
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me if I'm wrong, because what
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So if you just using Peardle's seventeen
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which now is going to go up
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up that much. Actually, if
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use the cap hold as a number
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averaging twenty, it doesn't start at
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So if they are like six million
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and that's assuming van fleet, but
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thirty two million. So if if
they come back with you and you throw

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some roster charges on here, like
are the raptors gonna just go over the

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apron and just not care if they
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the second apron for this roster?
Is that is that where we're heading.

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I look, my guests would be. I had heard rumbling, I had

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heard I read rumbling. Sources told
hartwood Nin that there was like a Gary

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Trent junior extension that was going to
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suggested either he was going to be
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number. I will now be a
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moved. But if we look at
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and would you say they're fift within
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Fleet's cap hold or without it.
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hundred and sixty six million, And
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point eight just under thirty one nine
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which is probably a pretty good proxy
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going to be on this new deal. Yeah, so I mean, if

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you need to cut salary, I
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work with the apron came in it. What was it one seventy two ish?

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That's really close. That's really close. I guess. Like I'm just

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looking at like the other deals,
Chris Bouche has two years and like twenty

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three million left on his deal.
That's someone you could move. Maybe you

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move Otto Porter Junior's expiring contract.
Are they still in on the precious that

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Chew experience? You could like move
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they're going to shed salary somehow.
And just to get to some comments since

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we've been neglecting them, U Strew
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Osman since Bridles sing wasn't ask what
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involved? That would be if there's
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go to Miami. But we did
say Okoro and Osman, and yeah,

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Singleton, would I would do I
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Would you do that for Miami?
I guess it's like having two smaller

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deals to move. And Okoro did
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and gives you another I wouldn't trust
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but another defensive stopper. I don't
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back to Toronto. I apologize well. First, first, I want to

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answer your Cavs question because it made
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true that we don't think about often
enough. Always assume whoever is leaving the

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Heat will get worse, and always
assume whoever is coming to the Heat is

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going to get better. So like
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get the heat versions of Ocoro and
Osman. I kind of like it,

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and I think we should assume that
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This is my it's not it's I
don't know what you would call it,

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because it's sort of like it's mostly
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because certainly there have been players that
left the heat and we're good and

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the heat players that showed up with
the heat that weren't as good as they

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were elsewhere. But it's just like
Deon Waiders, Hassan Whiteside, Derek Jones

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Junior, I assume gave Vincent if
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So it's just like, this is
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would I would like to see the
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could turn him into that, if
that's what this is, we don't have

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specifics yet, But anyway, back
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of a more interesting topic here,
would you guess that I think I did

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say over because we picked thirty two
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and was the number for Fred van
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think he probably gets more than the
thirty one point eight, right, I

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mean, like if Yaka Pearl got
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he plays a position that's more saturated
or not as big of a need like

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not for the Raptors specifically, but
actually they need Fred van Fleet more than

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Yakom Peartle. Well, that's the
question I was going to ask, is

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if van Fleet is not back,
who's is it? Scotty Barnes point guard

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full time? Is that what we're
doing, because you know, I don't

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know what this was. A team
that's who's half court offense has tanked it

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two years in a row, and
now you're facing the potential of bumping up

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against the first Apron by bringing back
Van Vleet at a bigger number or just

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not having a point guard like I
mean, that's and and speaking of Trey

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Jones is off the market because he
got two for twenty to go back to

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the Spurs, which I love,
no problem with that. I was actually

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I mean, they need a like
an offensive organizer until that works. He

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has a real like pull up mid
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his three, but he makes really
good pocket passes, knows how to maintain

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his ball. I think that's a
that's a rock sill. And look,

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it's just so short term, and
so they're just gonna keep kind of rolling

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with this and can make changes on
a whim. I love that deal,

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per you know, I don't know
who was going to give him more.

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I would say that ten million for
someone who I would say he's a fringe

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starting point guard, right like he's
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but he's a fringe starting point guard. I think that's a pretty good

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value. Yeah. I think he's
a low end starter with the capacity to

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get a lot, like if he's
a if he's a thirty six percent three

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point shooter, there's no fringe about
it. Like, he's a quality starting

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point guard, I think, And
it's I have no reason to believe that

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he can't improve, right Like,
that's so two for twenty for a guy

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with significant upside who's already pretty good
at his age. Is Yeah, that's

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that's one of my favorite deals so
far. Actually, now that I'm kind

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of running over it in my head, that's a big and I think they

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needed because I don't know who else
they were gonna sign we're seeing. I

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mean we've we haven't seen Fred van
Fleet come off the board. He would

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have made if they wanted to make
the play that someone who comes in doesn't

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disrupt development and you can just say, hey, like, can you help

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streamline the development of our other young
guys. And I think that that's a

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you know, that really does help
out. But like the point Guard market,

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which is like even the mid end
options was, I don't think Gabe

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Vincent is that dude, Like he's
just not that dude, you know,

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Kyrie. They weren't going to be
in on that business. They're not gonna

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be in on the James James Harden
business. So I think that this was

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kind of their only move and I
think that it'll really help. Just maybe

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some of the spacing can be wonky
if you're gonna play Wemby and then you

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know Jeremy Soon at the same time
with Trey Jones, like, yeah,

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there could be some, but having
Zach Collins can help you open up the

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floor. Devin Vessel as well,
I love that deal for san Antono.

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I think I'm with you might be
one of my favorite ones from like a

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team perspective so far. Yeah,
which again, I'll echo what you said

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earlier. That's the only perspective we
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we say deals are terrible when players
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of the prism through which we're looking
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I think Chris Middleton got underpaid,
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concerned about his injuries like I would
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himself a bunch of money if he's
happy and would in whatever, if he's

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happy in Milwaukee. I get it. I just if I were a team,

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if I were the Rockets, if
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like, we'll give you three years
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I don't like maybe so or two
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just maxim out for two years.
I think I think there were definitely two,

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yeah that I like, I definitely
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I'm I'm like fascinated by the by
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Maybe is it morbid fascination like this
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They're a team that I think could
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New York next season they could.
I just, I just what are

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they doing here? Like I just
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offensively just yet. And I think
Peartle was a big help to Van Fleet's

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passing, Like he kind of needs
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but you have enough spacing to adequately
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I don't know. It leaves me
a little cold thinking about a team that

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you and I have both kind of
been in the bag for ever since they

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won the title, you know,
as just other teams better than you think,

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or you know of the you know
whoever was sort of in the six,

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seven, eight, nine ten range
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years. We always liked the Raptors
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think I would have to check,
but I think we both had them aggressively

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high. Yes, But so it
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feel the same way that hypothetically or
not hypothetically. So far, it looks

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like they're kind of just bringing the
whole gang back from a team that we

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would, based on our expectations,
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like Scotty Barnes could get a lot
better. Precious to Chua is still kind

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of like a mystery box. You
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Maybe Ann and Obi makes a leap, like there are ways for them

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to improve, But I'm not excited
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different coach, Like maybe that's all
that. Maybe it'll turn out that's was,

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but I you know, I just
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at what happened the last two years
with the same problems, you know,

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just repeating themselves, and just decide, yeah, year three will be It's

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like one of it's like the meme
of like it doesn't work for anybody,

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but maybe it could work for us. It's like, no, I think

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we've got two years to suggest it
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I get why that. I think
it's a funny joke. But I think

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you can explain why the Raptors struggled
so much last year. But it's just

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so funny that they had this high
asking price on all of their guys and

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yet they were just not a good
basketball team. And I think my big

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concern here is even if you believe
in this core as Scotty Barnes getting better,

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which by the way, is a
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I would I would take it like
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I like the players at the tippy
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doing to flesh out your depth at
this point, because as you mentioned,

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like they are so close to that
second apron and I don't even know,

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like is this a team they're gonna
want to pay the tax for? But

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like like even like forget about the
second apron, Like are they even gonna

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want to pay the tax for this
team? So I I'm just I'm fascinated

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to see what their direction is.
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and I would say it's not just
a matter of resigning van Fleet. It

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feels like this is gonna be We're
gonna see some cost cutting maneuvers. I

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just now, I'm really curious what
Van Vleet gets if he stays, and

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what the options are now to go
someplace else, because it's almost I'm sure

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you know, I'm trying to look
at the who's got the room to do

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anything? And just is there anyone
that you could see as a realistic possibility

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to just sign Van Vleet out right, like, other than Houston? Is

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this just Van Fleet's going to Houston
and the Raptors are going to figure it

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out, you know, using a
roster exception to replace them. Look,

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if they wanted to, the Spurs
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we know that that's not their moo. If the Jazz could still get there,

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like, they could still easily get
there. So and I kind of

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love him there. I don't know
how you feel about him in Utah.

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Yeah, him, I guess I
love him everywhere. By the way,

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Orlando still sitting out there right like
they could do it. We know they

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don't want to, but they could
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I did forget that. Excuse me, Jordan Clarson opted in, so like

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they would have to move. I
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Kelly Olynik or so, Yeah,
it's tougher for them. I would throw

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Utah out of there. There's a
lot of people who thought they would wave

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Olynic and that Clarson and town Horn
tuck we're gonna opt out, and then

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none of those blown said a three
team sign and trade for Max Strews is

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about to happen. Who's involved there? Douglas Mark gets a Grant, should

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give a ten percent gig back to
Troy Weaver. Grant got paid. I

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think Joe Cronin deserves all the credit
here. Actually, at this point,

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so Gavin Gomez wants to go to
the Bruce Brown deal. Nobody in Denver

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with an IQ over seventy thought Bruce
Brown was coming back. We knew he

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was gone before the postseason started.
I just didn't want him to go to

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the Lakers. I would respectfully just
say that the consensus among Nuggets fans and

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my Twitter mentions and our YouTube mentions
and our TikTok mentions, I would just

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disagree. I just there was an
overarching sentiment I think among at least a

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subset of Nuggets fans that he was
just gonna take less money and go back.

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I'm I'm happy he got the bag. I'm still kind of shocked though,

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that he didn't get more, I
mean, were more guaranteed. I'm

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sorry, I've yeah, I got
I got what you mean. I kind

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of thought, I mean, well, we just cited the Batoum example.

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So many times, and talking about
Bruce Brown was like, well, there's

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precedent this happens the wink wink,
you know, come back for way less

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than your market value and then we
pay you off in the subsequent seasons.

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That made it semi plausible. But
I don't know that anybody foresaw Bruce Brown

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just getting this, Matt, you
know this forty five over two years.

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That's because then you just get the
real bonus there is, just get back

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on the market, like he's not
gonna you know, he's in the middle

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of what should be his prime years. I think I get it. Why

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maybe, So that's all just to
say there was a Bato Mesk like,

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wink wink, you know, come
back for seven point eight with a player

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option for you know, twenty four, twenty five, and we'll just give

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you some stupid number a year from
now. But the stupid number showed up

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from Indiana, So I mean,
not stupid, but like a crazy high

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number. I think we both have
said several times we like this for the

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pacers. There is a lull in
the act right now, so that would

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be good time to get your comments
in questions, and if you want them

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answered, I will say so Minnesota. I did see they're using part of

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their mL for both Nikkil Alexander Walker, And why am I just blanking on

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the other player? Who's the other
player that? Oh, Troy Brown.

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I don't know that Troy Brown was
good enough to command a lot more than

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the minimum, But if you're splitting
your MLI among those two, I get

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it. I STI don't love losing
Tony and Prince. I feel like I

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know this team has shooting when you
look at Anthony Edwards off the dribble,

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when you look at Karl Anthony Towns
being there like they don't have a sigh

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from Karl Anthony Towns. They don't
have caps locks shooting, And so to

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get rid of Grant, it just
feels, you know, when you have

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Kyle Anderson on that team, when
you have Rudy Gobert on that team,

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that just feels like it could be
this understated loss. Maybe even Jaden McDaniels

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continuing to up his volume, and
you do have nas Read in the front

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court as well, but his three
point percent urget cloth is not a really

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strong note, but it's been It
can be a little topsy turvy, just

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the Tory and the logic here makes
me a little uncomfortable. But Nick kay

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Looxander Walker did play well enough to
be like, hey, you need to

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like you need to keep him,
like that's someone who can help you at

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back, a point guard with win
defense, and maybe he gives you some

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shooting as well. Yeah, you're
preaching the choir on that one. Big

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big, big news, big news
for us since we keep track of this

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stuff now. So Kim Johnson's four
year deal, this is Michael Scotto just

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just tweeted this a couple of minutes
ago, can reach up to one hundred

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and eight million with full bonus incentives. So I don't know where that's gonna

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Does that mean I was correct and
over twenty five million or not? Do

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we base it on the total maximum
number of his deal? Or you know

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what I mean? Because what is
how many incents due to say how much?

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No, it doesn't say just it's
just it's very uh, basically against

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the agent sore reporting that gave the
four for one oh eight number. If

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we're being honest, two million a
season for incentive sounds about right, which

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is all you would need to be
to be. So it's like I think

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you're you're still in we'll go with
the total amount, because I was just

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I want to know which team was
going to offer him, and I felt

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that way a lot more after the
Pistons went and traded for Joe Harris,

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because yeah, he could work in
an indie but like Utah uses cap space

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and like indiedn't I view Cam Johnson
is He's a very good player, and

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he's more versatile on defense than I'm
about to frame this, but I view

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him as more of a like a
pure four than I do someone who can

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hang at the three or slide up
to the five. And I think that

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there's this Julius Randall he is not
like but even like, all right,

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I'll frame it this way, and
maybe maybe I'm wrong. Would you rather

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play John Collins at the five or
Cam Johnson at the three? Oh?

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I think I'd rather Johnson at the
three, but that's because I really don't

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want John Collins at the five.
What I do think this illuminates, though,

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is that Johnson might have been worth
more to the Nets than a lot

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of other teams, because you do
have the guy in Michl Bridges that is

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that guy that can guard the threes, and so Johnson really is not going

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to have to do a lot of
that, so he can just play to

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his strengths, guard force, make
shots, do that. So you know,

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sometimes we don't think enough about I'm
including myself in this roster construction in

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terms of fit and what a guy
might be worth in you know, destination

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a versus b And because Bridges is
in Brooklyn, it makes the john you

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know, you could pay Johnson more
there potentially than another team would and it

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would be justifiable. The let's get
this comment for us, going to say,

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Keith Smith has like a big board
of the free agents, the best

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free agents available that would probably be
good to go through. Blown says,

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the bull seems to be in basketball
purgatory. I was. We didn't talk

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about the Boots deal. He got
three and sixty guaranteed. Kobe White apparently

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was three for thirty three and it
can get up to forty, I believe,

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is what Grant told me. They
don't seem to be in bestaball.

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They're just there. I don't know
what their path out of here is.

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I don't think that they've gotten noticeably
better from a trade asset perspective by keeping

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White and Booch. I think both
those numbers, and I believe I mentioned

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this, Actually I didn't mention this
on podcast. I thought it was three

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for eighty when I first saw the
report, and I like, I went

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into them, but it was three
sixty, which is it's just fine,

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and it's like you do need I
think it wasn't so much a bird right

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trap as Okay, well he was
a starting caliber center and you want to

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roll some of these salary slots over
if you do want to move them.

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But this is just you know when
you had Suns fans talking about, well

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we could just overpay Tory Craig and
then move him later. Yeah, but

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you need other teams to value that
deal, and I don't think I think

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there are plenty of teams that would
acquire voos on this deal. I don't

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think there are many that would consider
it like a material asset. And for

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the Bulls, do you have any
thoughts. I'm like, it's clear we

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can talk about that meeting to tear
it down and start over, but they're

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not doing that. They just pay
like it's just it's not happening. It's

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like, what is the like reasonable
path forward for them? Well, first

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of all, that comment could have
been from like any point in the last

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four years, and it would have
been accurate because the Bulls have just been

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here forever. I don't know what
the path is because if you bring Vosovich

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back, I would agree, it's
like it's not a crippling deal, but

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it's you know, it's probably more
than it's worth it. It's just as

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a signal of what the team is
trying to do. It's kind of a

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bummer if you want to rebuild or
you want, you know, just some

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ambition other than let's fight for the
eighth seed. I think maybe the direction

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is we were really good for like
half of a year over a year ago,

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and all these players plus Lonzo Ball, who's all by all accounts is

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not going to play this year,
are the reason we were, you know,

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top of the East in like January
of what would that have been twenty

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two or something. Remember that for
a hot second when the Bulls were really

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good, which is and I that
was a large what a lot of or

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something. I'm sorry, would you
say, I didn't mean to interrupt you,

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No, no, no, I'm
just saying, like that's the only

406
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:11,640
way I can get to justifying the
Bulls just not doing something more drastic to

407
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:12,839
try to go one way or the
other, and you know, to an

408
00:25:12,839 --> 00:25:18,599
extreme degree, is they're just hanging
onto that that that's the best explanation I

409
00:25:18,599 --> 00:25:22,119
can give. Go ahead, and
I understand that. I just don't know

410
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:26,960
how you get back there without Lonzo
Ball, who that whole thing is just

411
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:32,640
it sucks like he was just so
good for them, and I think one

412
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:37,759
of not the only pathway, one
of the only pathways would be Patrick Williams

413
00:25:37,759 --> 00:25:41,960
explodes, which is not I was
talking to a friend of the podcast,

414
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:45,000
Reet Bauer about this. I just
don't trust his offense nearly as much as

415
00:25:45,039 --> 00:25:48,200
the numbers should say that I do. And part of that might just be

416
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,880
as rhet pointed out, and literally
I try to be better about this,

417
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:56,759
like maybe I'm evaluating him too heavily
within the context of this team where he's

418
00:25:56,799 --> 00:25:59,319
kind of buried in the pecking order. I just don't see how that goes

419
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:00,759
away. Yeah, you know what
I mean. Yeah, No, the

420
00:26:00,799 --> 00:26:04,279
circumstances won't change. He is like
kind of alarmingly low usage, and it's

421
00:26:04,319 --> 00:26:07,799
it's hard to as blown says free
Zach Lavine, I mean free the Bulls,

422
00:26:07,839 --> 00:26:14,079
that mutual free free Yeah, yeah, no, I I agree that,

423
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:15,319
And and look, we just talked
up Kobe White, so like,

424
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,559
I guess there's more than one way
for this to you know, end a

425
00:26:18,559 --> 00:26:22,839
little better for the bulls if you
are banking on organic growth. But yeah,

426
00:26:22,839 --> 00:26:26,200
Williams has not looked like a guy
that's gonna blow up, and and

427
00:26:26,279 --> 00:26:30,000
if he is, the situation is
just not going to allow for It's gonna

428
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:30,920
make it way harder than it would
be if he were on another team.

429
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:36,480
Can I can I real quickly?
Because as we're talking about it, so

430
00:26:36,759 --> 00:26:41,480
Vootch and Peartle are getting roughly the
same average annual value. Peartle has an

431
00:26:41,519 --> 00:26:45,079
extra year, but is younger.
Do you hate the Peartle contract more than

432
00:26:45,319 --> 00:26:51,519
the Vouchovitch contract because it's essentially equal
money annually? Because I kind of like,

433
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,799
I like, I'd rather have Peartle, honestly, and like I'm kind

434
00:26:53,799 --> 00:26:57,079
of down on that signing for what
it portends about Toronto's direction too, but

435
00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,720
like I'll you'll take the defender.
Do you know what's interesting is that if

436
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:04,279
you flip flopped these two players on
the teams, I might like their deals

437
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:10,039
better, because I don't woods would
help Toronto space like not much for their

438
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:11,680
rim protection, so Peartles should help
there though, was riom protection kind of

439
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:15,759
slipped while he was there? But
I would actually kind of love him in

440
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:19,400
Chicago. Yeah, and I would
love Booch and like if I which deal

441
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:23,839
do I like? I probably like
Yakob Peartle's deal less. I'm not gonna

442
00:27:23,839 --> 00:27:26,480
lie. I guess he's a little
bit younger, but he's not his verstime

443
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,720
on the offensive and you can't play
him in crunch time. He's not gonna

444
00:27:29,759 --> 00:27:34,119
hit his free throws. And maybe
this is me being too married to the

445
00:27:34,559 --> 00:27:37,400
to the context. Oh that's funny. I was shouting out Ret Bauer is

446
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:41,599
actually in here shout out Ret for
watching, unless he just heard his name

447
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,680
and just and just rolled in,
which is even more impressive up the signal.

448
00:27:45,039 --> 00:27:48,119
Yeah, So I don't know how
you like. If if Yaka Peartle

449
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:52,640
could shoot like seventy percent from the
foul line instead of like twelve percent or

450
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:56,599
whatever it is, I probably feel
a little bit better. Uh, Gabe,

451
00:27:56,799 --> 00:28:00,839
No, yeah, Gabe Vincent three
years and thirty three million dollars to

452
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:07,960
the Lakers. Okay, Delos going
where. I guess they ca'll play together.

453
00:28:07,039 --> 00:28:11,920
But like you're gonna pay Austin Reeves, Gabe Vincent and Delo well,

454
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,400
and they're still shrewder. They're still
shrewder hanging out there. What becomes of

455
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:22,559
him? Yeah? That is first
of all, I love I think I

456
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:26,319
love the fit. I would prefer
if Gabe Vincent was a more proven shooter,

457
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:30,920
but he had some like really hot
stretches. Uh, like like in

458
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,079
the playoffs last year. Do you
want to know what I love about about

459
00:28:33,079 --> 00:28:37,960
all this? Uh? Please tell
me? Is in the second sentence of

460
00:28:38,039 --> 00:28:42,400
Seaum's tweet reporting reporting the Vincent deal, Vincent's agent Bill Neff, negotiated the

461
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:48,240
new deal for a tremendous undrafted success
story. We need that does that kind

462
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:53,400
of plagiarism for woe because Wode is
the one that uses tremendous. I just

463
00:28:53,559 --> 00:28:57,599
I don't need end up editorializing.
I don't I we get it like this

464
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,519
came from the agent. We don't
need to like shout him out and say

465
00:29:00,599 --> 00:29:04,599
and pump up GiB Vinson. He
just made thirty three million dollars. He's

466
00:29:04,599 --> 00:29:08,640
good. We don't need to.
We don't need and so is it like

467
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:12,039
a quid pro quo if you that
you can't tag the agents Twitter handle because

468
00:29:12,039 --> 00:29:15,319
they don't have one, so you
get to give the it's either your Twitter

469
00:29:15,319 --> 00:29:19,000
handle or you get to spin it. Yeah, so I don't so some

470
00:29:19,079 --> 00:29:22,920
questions that, oh the number,
I thought he was predicting. I thought

471
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:27,799
fk Retcher was predicting someone's record or
shot profile. Are the Spurs trying to

472
00:29:27,799 --> 00:29:32,400
get anyone? Wouldn't it be funny
if they just came in and like got

473
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:37,519
Van Vleet or Brook Lopez Right now, I've told you I love Lopez alongside

474
00:29:37,519 --> 00:29:41,359
Wemby, just even for like a
year. Just go beat people up and

475
00:29:41,359 --> 00:29:45,559
shoot threes and block shots and let
Lembi run around. Both of us will

476
00:29:45,559 --> 00:29:48,359
take a victory lap if Devo goes
to the Raptors, because we just we

477
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:52,279
said that kind of erroneously, both
of us in separate TikTok videos, by

478
00:29:52,279 --> 00:29:53,880
the way, so maybe you said
it first and I copied off of you,

479
00:29:55,319 --> 00:29:57,880
but we both said Delo that the
Raptors could use Delo. I mean,

480
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,680
I don't remember saying that, but
but that's the case for most things.

481
00:30:00,759 --> 00:30:03,880
I say. Well, it's almost
it's just like there's this musical chairs

482
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:08,079
game with the point guards of which
there are very few in this free agency

483
00:30:08,119 --> 00:30:11,359
class, and it's like, well
Van Fleet leaves, like, who who

484
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,440
is there for the Raptors to get
that's a starting caliber player. I don't

485
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,920
think either of us like Delo very
much, but there's just not that many

486
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:19,880
other options, if you know so, I wouldn't be surprised at all if

487
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,000
that's how it ended up. Even
though I don't, I don't love the

488
00:30:22,039 --> 00:30:27,200
fit. I like so I think
with Yeah, I'm just and FK Retro,

489
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,480
I still like the poison pill idea
with Iota the Spurs. I just

490
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,279
don't think it takes a poison pill. I think it takes just like an

491
00:30:33,359 --> 00:30:36,079
offer. Here's an offer. I'm
playing for Auston the Bulls probably out of

492
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:40,079
walg at this point, uh Reeves
to the Spurs. They could they could

493
00:30:40,119 --> 00:30:42,519
poison pill him just to be like, let's fuck with the Lakers payroll and

494
00:30:42,559 --> 00:30:45,519
worst case scenario, we have to
pay on average twenty five million a year

495
00:30:45,599 --> 00:30:48,759
for Austin Reeves. That might be
that is steep. I won't. I

496
00:30:48,759 --> 00:30:53,319
won't. That's I've I've already you've
anyone who's watched our trucks that you so

497
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:57,599
brilliantly put together, I have threatened
to poison pill Austin Reeves immediately, so

498
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:03,119
I would I have no problem paying
him as much as you possibly can in

499
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:07,400
an offer sheet. Yeah, that's
true as well. I guess the Heat

500
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:11,680
taken major losses right now. I
mean the Max s Trusse was a sign

501
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:15,440
in trade, and so if you
come out of that with Okoro and Jetty

502
00:31:15,519 --> 00:31:19,720
Osman, I think you're fine.
Vincent on the Lakers, I guess so

503
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,720
gives you some point of it.
I would guess Shrewder is gone unless he's

504
00:31:22,759 --> 00:31:26,920
coming back on the minimum, because
Vincent's going to replace his point of attack

505
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:30,880
stuff. I don't think you want
to be too small ish on the perimeter

506
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:34,279
with you know, Vincent and Reeves
and then Shrewder. And if you bring

507
00:31:34,279 --> 00:31:37,880
back Delo, I think it was
the tallest person. They're six five and

508
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:44,079
so none of them are really wings. Tracey said he would much rather have

509
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:48,920
Reeves on the Spurs than Fred van
Fleet. That's I just trust Fred van

510
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,640
Fleet more as a shooter and someone
who could actually run the offense than Reeves.

511
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,119
But maybe you could expand that role
for Reeves. We did see it

512
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,720
in the in the playoffs. Well, and the money wouldn't be equal between

513
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,319
those two either. Though. That's
the thing I think, I think,

514
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:05,279
I guess, I'm I'm just like
talking myself into the bag for Reeves over

515
00:32:05,319 --> 00:32:07,960
and over this offseason. But I
would rather have him than van Fleet.

516
00:32:08,079 --> 00:32:13,000
And that's assuming van Fleet's getting thirty
plus and Reeves tops out at twenty five

517
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,559
or so actually would start lower than
that. So it makes it even easier

518
00:32:16,599 --> 00:32:20,400
for me to stomach that I do. I think, Oh, you're,

519
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:24,759
well, you gotta face what happened. Someone's a bunch of people are retweeting

520
00:32:24,799 --> 00:32:30,119
this. Oh, there's no way
I can't. I don't know. There's

521
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,160
someone's reporting that brook Lopez isn't going
back to the Bucks, and I would

522
00:32:32,279 --> 00:32:37,000
argue, his name is Chris Roberts, doesn't not a lot of Twitter followers,

523
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,200
but some people that I trust are
retweeting him. We're not. That's

524
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:44,440
I think that's a prettymature reaction.
I would have bet large amounts of money

525
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:49,079
that, uh, brook Lopez was
staying in Milwaukee after we saw that Middleton

526
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,839
deal. Like his number came down
by what was his playoffs for forty one?

527
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,440
Yeah, like that number came down
by eight million, about let's say,

528
00:32:55,519 --> 00:33:00,279
unless they're doing a d escalating scale. Uh yeah, fk Retro.

529
00:33:00,359 --> 00:33:02,319
We already talked stars to the Warriors. I think we were both. I

530
00:33:02,319 --> 00:33:06,559
mean for the minimum. I'm actually
surprised that. Okay, so he didn't

531
00:33:06,599 --> 00:33:08,359
have the roster space, but like, that's someone who I would equivocate it.

532
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:12,279
Not that everyone has the biannual,
but like bi annual money at four

533
00:33:12,319 --> 00:33:16,000
million, I would have given him
U even like Indiana, just like throwing

534
00:33:16,359 --> 00:33:20,559
sharks the room exception or something like. I don't like that would have been

535
00:33:20,559 --> 00:33:22,440
semi interesting. A lot of teams, by the way, could have done

536
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,720
that and I would have thought it
was semied or really interesting. What was

537
00:33:25,759 --> 00:33:35,400
I just talking about? Oh,
broke bugs. If he leaves, where

538
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:39,079
where would be the most likely deccision? Probably Houston because they're just gonna throw

539
00:33:39,119 --> 00:33:44,559
some crazy number at him, right, that's you're right, Like they haven't

540
00:33:44,559 --> 00:33:50,039
paid anyone after saying they were gonna
pay everyone, so then it'll be you

541
00:33:50,079 --> 00:33:54,759
know, this is sometimes all the
early slop Is did and so are the

542
00:33:54,880 --> 00:34:00,039
Rockets just gonna have Van Vleet Lopez
and Brooks? Like, is that is

543
00:34:00,079 --> 00:34:04,319
that where that money is gonna go? I mean that's that's actually more gap

544
00:34:04,319 --> 00:34:07,440
space than they have to spend.
So well is it? Well? I

545
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,360
guess if you used the mL E
for it depends on how you well can

546
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:14,639
they do that Dylan? If Dylan
Brooks is seven million, like if he

547
00:34:14,679 --> 00:34:19,880
gets the room exception, uh,
and you sign you could give van Fleet

548
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,320
and Brook Lopez like thirty million each
if you really want, I really do

549
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:27,800
that. So he went, let's
say thirty three for Fred VanVleet and you

550
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,480
did what do you want to say
sixteen for Brooke? Or do you think

551
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:34,360
he? I mean the yaka peartle
deals fucking with my head right now.

552
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:38,199
I think I think Lopez has got
to get over twenty to leave Milwaukee,

553
00:34:38,559 --> 00:34:42,480
don't you? All right? So
yeah, I mean if you spend fifty

554
00:34:42,519 --> 00:34:45,920
five to sixty on Fred van Fleet
and Lopez, you could then techinically use

555
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:49,639
the room exception to get Dylan Brooks. Yes, only one dot z.

556
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,960
We talked strus to the calves already. I'm still waiting. Do we have

557
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:58,599
the exact signed in trade details?
I don't. Everyone says it's they're they're

558
00:34:58,599 --> 00:35:01,400
still working on it, which is
just like, well, maybe this is

559
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,800
a classic. Well we just want
to make it seem like we didn't talk

560
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,079
before free agency actually started. Did
you see the report was funny by the

561
00:35:08,119 --> 00:35:12,719
way, where it would mention who's
the player that they had, it was

562
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,000
they were working on side. I
think it was Struce. There was a

563
00:35:15,039 --> 00:35:16,360
report that the Calves were working on
a sign and trade with the Heat and

564
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:21,920
it's like, uh, like,
that's damn break like this. It was

565
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,840
thirty day So Royan Ruth, where
does Utah go for a point guard in

566
00:35:27,199 --> 00:35:30,159
the free agent or trade market?
So this would be a good time to

567
00:35:30,159 --> 00:35:32,199
bring up maybe I should put it
on the screen. I'll see if I

568
00:35:32,199 --> 00:35:35,360
could do that. Well, some
of them have been signed, so but

569
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,559
like some of the point guards that
are available, D'Angelo Russell, Russell Westbrook

570
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:43,760
and Fred Van Fleet. I guess
Austin Reeve's is technically a guard that and

571
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:50,039
Dante DiVincenzo is still floating around out
there. Also nothing so far for Hachimura,

572
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,119
PJ. Washington, or Grant Williams, who were all restricted. Christian

573
00:35:53,159 --> 00:35:57,639
Woods also still available. I think
him and Lopez were clearly the two best

574
00:35:57,639 --> 00:36:00,840
centers left. Joe McDaniels, I'm
eyes like in a wing light market,

575
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:06,239
Yeah, and that we haven't.
That's actually so this is a question that

576
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:10,239
I had before I forgot to ask
you. The hardened stuff is holding up

577
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:14,599
at least some of these transactions because
John McDaniels is on Philly right now.

578
00:36:15,079 --> 00:36:17,239
And then for the Clippers with Russ
Westbrook, I think a lot of people

579
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:20,880
assumed he would just come back.
Maybe they would sign them with early bird

580
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:22,119
rights next year, but they would
give him the one or twenty percent raise.

581
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:27,519
If they're now waiting on Harden,
there's no way you're bringing back Russ

582
00:36:27,559 --> 00:36:31,199
to play with with Harden. So
it's at least holding ups. And then

583
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:35,920
Miami, can you go about I
know you you've already lost guys, but

584
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,440
like, were you if you're in
on Harden or really waiting for Dame Even

585
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:42,880
were you if there were outcomes to
both of those guys already, would you

586
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,800
have been more likely to keep Vincent? Maybe I don't, I don't know.

587
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:49,360
Maybe not, I will say.
And because we've had a few people

588
00:36:50,079 --> 00:36:52,800
mentioning how the Heat are kind of
looking like they're bleeding a little bit here,

589
00:36:53,000 --> 00:37:00,199
I just don't see a scenario where
the Heat are losing these guys is

590
00:37:00,679 --> 00:37:05,840
without some larger plan happening, Like
I just maybe it's naive, but I

591
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,559
refuse to believe that the Heat are
just going to allow talent to leave without

592
00:37:08,639 --> 00:37:14,760
it being part of an idea to
get just you know, one big player,

593
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,239
like and I don't know who that
is because Dame seems less likely now

594
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:22,320
that the Blazers spent a trillion dollars
on Grant and then the Clippers are the

595
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,679
front runner for Harden, So who
is that guy? But I'm not as

596
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:30,760
down on where the Heat are right
now, just because I think this isn't

597
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:32,400
this isn't the end game for them. I think right like, it can't

598
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:36,000
be. You can't go for making
the finals a couple of times in a

599
00:37:36,039 --> 00:37:39,559
short stretch to just like letting your
talent leave with no sort of backup plan.

600
00:37:40,079 --> 00:37:45,880
I do think what helps too is
and let's just I'm assuming it's Jetty

601
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:49,039
Osman and Isaaca Cooro for Max Drew's
I just don't like even if it's Dean

602
00:37:49,119 --> 00:37:51,719
Wade and Jetty Osman, I don't
think that that would give the Calves enough

603
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,559
wiggle room to work with salary rise. I'm assuming it's not Ricky Rubio,

604
00:37:55,400 --> 00:38:00,519
Like you've gotten two players who can
be in your rotation, you know what

605
00:38:00,559 --> 00:38:04,559
I mean? Like, so a
corel like none of them give you the

606
00:38:04,599 --> 00:38:07,840
playmaking that Dave Vincent would have,
so if you need someone to organize your

607
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:12,280
offense. But I think just if
you're losing two rotation players and then you're

608
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,840
replacing them with two rotation players who
aren't expiring contract, it keeps you very

609
00:38:15,119 --> 00:38:20,119
flexible moving forward. And look,
they could still I don't know who,

610
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,239
Like do they just end up with, Like Malik Beasley is slowing around?

611
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,320
Like what if his market created so
much that would be a perfect rehab guy

612
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:29,320
for Miami, looking at his value
as someone who could like come around,

613
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,639
fly through the half court and shoot
a bunch of threes. I get that

614
00:38:32,679 --> 00:38:36,039
it looks like they're taking els at
the moment, but they didn't lose Streus

615
00:38:36,119 --> 00:38:38,840
for nothing. And I just when
you have Lowry, maybe you're banking on

616
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:43,320
Oladipo being healthy, you have Jimmy
Butler, And I think the key here

617
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:47,000
is you are trying to trade for
another playmaker, Like even if it's hardened

618
00:38:47,079 --> 00:38:52,199
Dame Zach Lavine, for all I
care, I think that it just this

619
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,239
doesn't feel like a huge, huge
el to me, and maybe I'm also

620
00:38:55,800 --> 00:39:00,000
I guess I was so encouraged by
Duncan Robinson's performance on some of the big

621
00:39:00,119 --> 00:39:02,280
stages this year that it's kind of
like, I'm not trying to be like,

622
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:06,320
oh, like both of these Caucasians
and Max Drews and Robinson or shooters

623
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,719
like other Rapson was doing things off
the dribble. Max rus is better defensively,

624
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:13,199
So I think that softens the blow
a little bit. I don't know

625
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:15,400
if you like, if that's where
you end up too, Yeah, I

626
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,719
think so. I think I think
we need to do like a little bit

627
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:21,920
of a macro thing here. We're
ninety minutes in. What is the most

628
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,800
surprising signing to you? And what
is let's just say with that because I

629
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,400
have one that just popped across my
feed that takes the cake for me,

630
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:35,719
the most like shocking sign surprising just
like huh. I would not have guessed

631
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:37,960
that, whether it's the years,
the dollars or the team, Reggie Jackson

632
00:39:38,119 --> 00:39:45,639
getting the full tax player from I
think it's Kuzma for me. I just

633
00:39:45,679 --> 00:39:49,840
didn't I never thought he would go
back to Washington. I just it wasn't

634
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:53,480
like it just didn't seem realistic,
which like, like, now, I

635
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:57,559
I kind of understand it since we've
talked through it, that like you just

636
00:39:57,639 --> 00:40:00,679
keep the guy that you can trade
on a reasonable number as opposed to letting

637
00:40:00,679 --> 00:40:05,519
and walk. But I just in
the spectrum of possibilities for Kyle Kyle Kuzma,

638
00:40:05,519 --> 00:40:07,159
it was just like, well,
he'll sign for a crazy number with

639
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:12,880
Detroit or Houston or the Kings or
whatever. I just didn't I'm shocked that

640
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:19,639
he's back in Washington. I guess, so it's surprising given everything else they

641
00:40:19,679 --> 00:40:23,760
did. But like and turn,
like, for someone like yourself who preaches

642
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:28,760
asset preservation, is it really that
surprising? I guess. Do you think

643
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:30,920
it's surprising that they gave him that
number because this is not someone that you're

644
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:34,760
planning on having, you know,
as Phone says in the chat, like

645
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,320
Kuzma times like, that's not the
core you're planning on having moving forward.

646
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,440
Kuzma seemed like a guy most likely
going to be low balled by other teams

647
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:44,400
to me, and one look,
one certain cap spaceed right up, like

648
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:49,239
if Indy was more in on Bruce
Brown, the smaller combo guard fringe wing

649
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,480
than the combo forward and Kuzma.
Then, yeah, that's really a good

650
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,960
theory. I guess what might take
me back? I'm at twenty five plus

651
00:40:55,960 --> 00:41:00,519
per year viewing that as someone that
you could then turn aroun out and move

652
00:41:00,559 --> 00:41:04,360
and maybe get actual value for.
I guess that's pretty surprising. Is that?

653
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,239
Is that sort of where you're at, because like, you don't want

654
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,880
to lose him for nothing? Yeah, no, I mean I am.

655
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:13,920
I like, I'm sort of saying
two contradictory things here, because that's a

656
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,519
preservation is kind of the name of
the game, especially if the alternative is

657
00:41:16,559 --> 00:41:20,960
just like he leaves and you have
nothing to show for it. But I

658
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:27,719
just didn't just everything Washington did suggested
we're not spending anything on anybody that's not

659
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,800
young and projectable and whatever. But
you made a face, and I think

660
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:35,159
it's, uh, he hasn't involved
you to Watsonabi, Yeah, well yes,

661
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,000
but it also involves Joe Ingles getting
twenty two million dollars from the Magic

662
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:43,639
Oh okay, I almost gave us. I almost made the memorable careerving hands

663
00:41:43,679 --> 00:41:45,559
to the head thing. That's a
lot of money. Don't screenshot at it.

664
00:41:45,559 --> 00:41:51,280
It'll be going up on Twitter moments. I like Joe Ingles a lot,

665
00:41:53,519 --> 00:41:57,000
that's I mean, and he can
shoot it and he can run a

666
00:41:57,039 --> 00:41:59,920
pick and roll if you need him
to. Although this is all stuff called

667
00:42:00,119 --> 00:42:04,039
from like pre acl Joe Ingles with
utah. I just I don't, I

668
00:42:04,039 --> 00:42:06,440
don't know. I hate to be
down on a Joe Ingles deal, but

669
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,840
that seems like a lot. It
seems like a lot. It's only two

670
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:12,199
years though, and they're clearly just
not going to spend and he look he

671
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:20,039
could run point for them, well
you know what, yeh can he?

672
00:42:20,079 --> 00:42:22,159
Though? I guess I guess like
running point for Orlando is like a very

673
00:42:22,199 --> 00:42:25,239
different job than it would be for
other teams because both your forwards are gonna

674
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:30,079
create shots, so like that,
yeah, as as like a supplementary piece

675
00:42:30,119 --> 00:42:32,559
that's gonna space the floor, which
he can still do for sure. That

676
00:42:32,559 --> 00:42:37,920
that's It's I just I thought maybe
he was going to be like a biannual

677
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:42,159
guy or you know, closer to
the minimum than this isn't full mle money.

678
00:42:42,199 --> 00:42:45,840
But you know, eleven million a
year for him is surprising to me.

679
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:50,000
I didn't think Ingles mainly it's a
sticker shock. I didn't think Engle

680
00:42:50,079 --> 00:42:52,320
is gonna get that much I'm I'm
with you there, and by the way,

681
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,360
it's a loss, I would say
from Milwaukee, just as someone who

682
00:42:55,440 --> 00:43:00,599
shot forty percent from three and gave
you some they need, like they need

683
00:43:00,599 --> 00:43:01,880
more ball handling in the half court. I know it's not him because they

684
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:07,079
want that to come in the form
of athleticism. But like first of all,

685
00:43:07,159 --> 00:43:09,239
Jay Crowder still floating around out there
by the way too, I haven't

686
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:14,519
seen anything on him, so it's
not it's not a nothing lost from Milwaukee,

687
00:43:14,559 --> 00:43:16,280
even if you just didn't like to
fit there. I the number is

688
00:43:16,519 --> 00:43:19,280
a little shocking, but it's just
one of those like, hey, we

689
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,000
gave this vet in or he's gonna
come in. They needed shooting hit threes.

690
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:27,360
Him and Jet Howard can stretch the
floor around these guys and with how

691
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,679
kind of slow they sometimes play in
the half court, like you could run

692
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:36,840
stuff like he could give you secondary
pick and roll ball handling if you they'll

693
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,519
be okay. Angles got cooked by
undrafted players. Look, he's old and

694
00:43:39,559 --> 00:43:45,679
he's coming off that like the torn
acl or wherever he had. And the

695
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:50,119
other thing is Utah wants an obbies. You mentioned the Phoenix. That's a

696
00:43:50,119 --> 00:43:52,239
home run signing. They only had
the minimum, he should actually play good

697
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:55,440
three point shooter could probably stand to
take more. So he's low volume on

698
00:43:55,559 --> 00:43:59,519
offense, which does make it a
little he can be annoying, like kind

699
00:43:59,519 --> 00:44:04,559
of the want to Conno Anderson syndrome
where it's like just like more. Yeah,

700
00:44:05,159 --> 00:44:07,599
and then as FK Retro says,
do you think this means Tory Craig

701
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:09,320
is gone? I would say no, they have his early bird rights and

702
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:13,880
I don't they let like a code. Well, Kobe's going back, so

703
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,239
maybe does this make it more likely? Like if you've Utah wants an Abby

704
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:21,039
at the minimum for your combo forward
role, is that better than Tory Craig

705
00:44:21,079 --> 00:44:24,719
at x dollars per year? I'm
not sure what I think it's gonna take

706
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:28,159
to get Tory Craig, But I
don't feel like this. Well, I

707
00:44:28,159 --> 00:44:30,000
should say I think Wat's an Abby
is about is probably one of the best

708
00:44:30,079 --> 00:44:32,920
minimum signings you could possibly have made. Do you agree with that? I

709
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:37,719
know you've been in camp Utah for
a while, but like that's he became

710
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,440
like a mainstream free agent. Yeah, because of all these things that have

711
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:44,400
no money that wanted to sign him, which good, like good for him

712
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:46,480
I thought, I said, if
I were a cap Space team, like,

713
00:44:47,199 --> 00:44:51,960
honestly, Joe Angeles is more proven
than Utah wants an iby, be

714
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:53,400
like if you were the Pacers or
something like, why not two years,

715
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,960
ten million or something, just like
to try it. I thought maybe that

716
00:44:55,960 --> 00:45:01,039
would be something that we could see
a cap Space team. Do I agree?

717
00:45:01,039 --> 00:45:06,679
I'm surprised it was the minimum that
got him. Yeah, I honestly

718
00:45:06,679 --> 00:45:08,760
thought he was gonna price himself out
of minimum. But maybe teams know something

719
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:14,639
we don't. Uh I, I
don't know how you would not like this

720
00:45:14,679 --> 00:45:19,119
deal for Phoenix just such an like, I'm shocked he won for the minimum.

721
00:45:19,119 --> 00:45:21,239
I'm not gonna lie. I really
thought he was gonna The way you

722
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,800
feel about Joe Angles contract being too
much, I feel about Utah want an

723
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:29,400
Abby being too little. Well,
how about this. If if Uta had

724
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:31,480
gotten two ears for twenty two million
and Angles had gotten the minimum, it

725
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:35,239
would have seemed a little more like
Okay, yeah, that checks out.

726
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:40,159
That's the best way. That's the
best way to frame it. Uh So

727
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:45,320
second year on Angles is a team
option apparently, Okay, that's I mean,

728
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:46,199
that's not a bad deal. It's
not a bad deal. I was

729
00:45:46,199 --> 00:45:50,840
just in there, yeah, and
shooting, like they needed shooting. What

730
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,599
did we say they needed shooting and
ball handling? Yeah, he's he's I

731
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:57,920
feel like this is an under talked
about part of his game, but like

732
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:00,719
he's a really sloppy pastor out of
the pick and roll. I don't know

733
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:04,239
if he just tastes too many chances, but he commits turnovers. I'm like

734
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:07,119
twenty percent of all his pick and
roll possessions. This this is And by

735
00:46:07,119 --> 00:46:10,280
the way, if you need to
leave, leave at any point and I'll

736
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:13,199
go solo for just a little bit. I was trying. I was hoping

737
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:15,639
we would get like a Brooke Opez
deals, the one that I'm waiting on.

738
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:24,320
Oh oh interesting, Yeah that's what
are the Sixers gonna do here?

739
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:30,239
What what's going on in Philadelphia right
now? Uh? Brian sile thing,

740
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:34,000
I like shaking minus. Yeah.
Look, he can run pick and roll,

741
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:37,559
he shot well catching shoot threes last
year, and he's I feel like

742
00:46:37,599 --> 00:46:40,840
he's bigger than people who realize it's
six five. So the theory of him,

743
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:45,000
like he's not gonna get run over
defensively, and they needed a backup

744
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,440
point guard. I thought they needed
shooting, just as much and they've lost

745
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:52,320
Sumtorian Prince, but Shake Milton gives
you kind of he gives you both essentially,

746
00:46:52,599 --> 00:46:55,440
so and I guess that's they're not
using the mL E on Shake,

747
00:46:57,199 --> 00:47:00,199
Troy Brown Junior and naw Right like
that's not getting you. Maybe it does.

748
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:04,639
All those times I was just douming, this is for the minimum would

749
00:47:04,679 --> 00:47:07,320
be my pointer or maybe the I
don't think they might have the bi annual

750
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:10,400
if they if they lumped all those
guys into the MLA. I think Minnesota

751
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:13,679
just had the best off season in
the league two years in a row.

752
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:15,760
Right, last off season went great. I think this is just they're just

753
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:20,920
banking another one right now. I'm
bias pressess fan, nobody the Pistons.

754
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:24,440
I'm sure you got Joe Harris.
Yeah, come on, but we haven't

755
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:28,480
talked about Joe Harris. Hold on, Yeah, we'll get to Kirk's comment.

756
00:47:28,519 --> 00:47:31,199
But then, what do you think
about Joe Harris. I thought that

757
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:35,360
was like on an expiring deal,
getting pure shooting if you didn't think you

758
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:37,239
were gonna get Cam Johnson. And
I also, by the way, I

759
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:40,559
would argue he's for the way that
it seems like they want to play they

760
00:47:40,599 --> 00:47:45,559
have all these front court players that
feel like centers or four point five's when

761
00:47:45,599 --> 00:47:49,880
you look at sure Of and Isaiah
Stewart or Marvin Bagley, and if you

762
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,079
want to play two of those bigs
together at all times, Joe Harris is

763
00:47:52,079 --> 00:47:55,599
a better fit. Thank Cam Johnson
is, because like that's someone at the

764
00:47:55,679 --> 00:48:00,519
two, the three, and he
look, he's I think he's probably gonna

765
00:48:00,519 --> 00:48:04,599
hold up better defensively against wings than
certainly, well maybe not. Bogdanovitch is

766
00:48:04,679 --> 00:48:07,880
kind of strong sometimes. But this
also is just, hey, we didn't

767
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:15,320
make any long term commitments now,
and so put that one up. Bryan

768
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:20,159
Singleton Atlanta saw if a starting went
out for cigarettes. I mean, look,

769
00:48:20,159 --> 00:48:22,559
they gotta avoid the tax. They
can't be spending money. I don't

770
00:48:22,599 --> 00:48:25,159
care about rest. They're not trying
to spend money. Oh man, that

771
00:48:27,679 --> 00:48:31,480
was great. Now you were that, Ryan Man? What were we just

772
00:48:31,519 --> 00:48:36,519
talking about? Yeah, what do
you think about with the Pistons or would

773
00:48:36,519 --> 00:48:39,519
you have preferred, Like do you
think you're at the point where, Look,

774
00:48:39,559 --> 00:48:43,440
Kim Johnson's twenty seven, so let's
throw that like his that a four

775
00:48:43,519 --> 00:48:45,559
year deal would have taken him into
his thirties. I'm not saying that Joe

776
00:48:45,599 --> 00:48:50,679
Harris is like a better player or
like much better fit that I do think

777
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:54,760
just based off position only what they
need. I think the idea or someone

778
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:58,480
like Joe Harris is a better fit, even if you would have preferred Cam

779
00:48:58,559 --> 00:49:02,639
Johnson. I respect and would probably
applaud the Pistons for not doing something that

780
00:49:04,159 --> 00:49:08,639
could infury unnecessarily accelerate their timeline,
or just it's such a long term,

781
00:49:08,679 --> 00:49:13,800
big commitment it could theoretically have a
higher chance of turning into a bad deal.

782
00:49:14,519 --> 00:49:15,559
I mean, first of all,
it's kind of funny to me to

783
00:49:15,639 --> 00:49:22,119
imagine the It's funny to me to
imagine the Pistons and the Nets talking,

784
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:27,320
and the Nets saying like, please
don't offer Cam Johnson like thirty five a

785
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,679
year, Just please don't. We'll
give you Joe Harris, just can you?

786
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:32,159
Will you just take Joe Harris and
leave us alone, because we'd like

787
00:49:32,199 --> 00:49:36,239
to clear some money so we can
stay under the tax or under the first

788
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:38,679
Staprin or wherever they are and signed
and sign Cam Johnson. No, I

789
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:45,559
think I think Harris makes everybody who
matters in Detroit, makes their jobs easier.

790
00:49:45,159 --> 00:49:50,599
Jade and Ivy Kay Cunningham, all
their bigs, him and Bogdanovich if

791
00:49:50,639 --> 00:49:57,159
they play together enough like pretty premium
spacing from your three and your four,

792
00:49:57,599 --> 00:50:00,800
So like, yeah, I get
it. Like, and I guess I'm

793
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:05,079
I'm caping for this move a little
more just because you know, unbiased Pistons

794
00:50:05,119 --> 00:50:07,159
fan you put them up in the
chat is struggling mentally here, but because

795
00:50:07,159 --> 00:50:10,760
the Pistons, that's all they've done
so far. But I think the sentiment

796
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:17,360
was mostly negative I guess from Pistons
fans and people that that we're just kind

797
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:21,360
of down on this deal. I
guess it's underwhelming because you know, if

798
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:23,199
your team has cap space, you're
just hoping that it's for something splashier than

799
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:29,320
Joe Harris. But like if if
he's healthier than he's been, he's a

800
00:50:29,599 --> 00:50:31,800
like I mean, how many shooters
are there better than him in the league

801
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:36,400
over the last like five six years. I mean, it's a real short

802
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:39,199
list in terms of just pure three
point percentage for high volume guys, And

803
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:45,679
that's just that makes life easier for
young guards and guys that need space to

804
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:49,480
just get better. So I really
actually really like it for for Detroit.

805
00:50:50,119 --> 00:50:52,920
Yeah, I just and well harris
Is shot kind of fell off towards last

806
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:54,360
year, and we saw his playing
time. It felt like him and Seth

807
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:59,079
Curry after the Durrant trade were like
caught between one another a little bit.

808
00:51:00,119 --> 00:51:04,599
But I'm just yeah, I'm I
don't know if I'm going to be like,

809
00:51:04,639 --> 00:51:06,880
oh this is I did like the
Joe Harris steal for what it's worth.

810
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:08,920
Well, we just don't think you're
not struggling mentally. We're trying to

811
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:12,760
spin this like you could be okay. We this as a call for help.