WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.040 --> 00:00:13.240 Third round the podcast with Alejandro Gaviría and Ricardo Silva Romero, a podcast of 2 00:00:13.400 --> 00:00:20.239 the locutorio arroba the locutorio of that So, what is the crisis that we 3 00:00:20.359 --> 00:00:25.320 forgot that we are species, the species evolve to us. I don' 4 00:00:25.359 --> 00:00:29.320 t know in what minutes we forgot that we are animals, that we evolve, 5 00:00:29.760 --> 00:00:33.600 that our base is that we are mammals, that we evolve. So, 6 00:00:33.679 --> 00:00:38.159 right now the crisis is because the brain our mind came to a point 7 00:00:38.280 --> 00:00:43.679 of development where it was already able to pull out the intelligence. Yes, 8 00:00:43.719 --> 00:00:48.439 and artificial intelligence appears, that is to say we can get it right, 9 00:00:49.000 --> 00:00:54.840 we have done it gradually, we start it with machines and it comes to 10 00:00:54.920 --> 00:00:59.479 technology and it already says there is then and now what? If there are 11 00:00:59.560 --> 00:01:12.400 already those who think for us Yes, hello, Ricardo, hello, Alejandro. 12 00:01:14.280 --> 00:01:18.280 Today we have a special guest to the podcast. Third round. I 13 00:01:18.280 --> 00:01:25.640 ' m going to leave it this way for now dramatic song in its offensive 14 00:01:25.760 --> 00:01:30.000 And to introduce a little what our conversation will be, I want to tell 15 00:01:30.040 --> 00:01:34.959 something that I read three or four years ago and that I didn' t 16 00:01:38.599 --> 00:01:46.400 want to investigate because I don' t want it to be true, And 17 00:01:46.400 --> 00:01:53.000 it' s a phrase that looked at the etymological origin of the root or 18 00:01:53.079 --> 00:01:53.319 word anthropods, and said that anthropods is means or can mean the animal that 19 00:01:53.319 --> 00:01:59.840 looks at the sky. And that seemed cosmically poetic to me, and I 20 00:01:59.879 --> 00:02:02.959 think it' s a good introduction to the conversation we' re going to 21 00:02:04.040 --> 00:02:09.960 have today, because yes, it' s a wonderful conversation, because we 22 00:02:09.960 --> 00:02:15.919 have with us a person dedicated to looking at the sky really that is Diana, 23 00:02:16.319 --> 00:02:21.520 Diana Ramirez, who, to begin with, is someone that we in 24 00:02:21.520 --> 00:02:27.639 our house adore. It' s part of the house and from Carolina Paschal 25 00:02:27.639 --> 00:02:34.759 Inestos are aware that when Diana comes. We' ve done a lot of 26 00:02:34.759 --> 00:02:42.639 projects. With Diana, we made a series of survival guides. After the 27 00:02:43.520 --> 00:02:47.879 symbol of the pandemic of two thousand and twenty, we have spoken many things. 28 00:02:47.960 --> 00:02:55.439 We met in the two thousand eighteen that we recorded a conversation similar to 29 00:02:57.280 --> 00:03:00.840 this one about the novel that I released that year that was like losing everything, 30 00:03:01.120 --> 00:03:08.199 which is a more or less astrological novel, follows the characters according to 31 00:03:08.599 --> 00:03:16.120 their stars and plays with that, let' s say, and from there 32 00:03:16.240 --> 00:03:23.120 we turned six years of friends and really everything that has taught us has been 33 00:03:23.120 --> 00:03:30.080 transformative. His gaze from the sky is bright. Diana is an architect, 34 00:03:30.039 --> 00:03:36.120 but I want her to tell us at what point, after being in all 35 00:03:36.479 --> 00:03:44.639 the important firms and architects, in fact, a career that crosses the mathematics 36 00:03:44.840 --> 00:03:52.319 of science with art, began to gain ground more and more astrology, the 37 00:03:53.159 --> 00:03:57.000 fact of looking to heaven. Diana, welcome, well more, thank you, 38 00:03:57.280 --> 00:04:00.560 how delightful to be here with you. Thank you for the invitation and 39 00:04:00.639 --> 00:04:03.960 for the possibility of talking about a subject that, of course, is fascinating 40 00:04:04.000 --> 00:04:09.800 to me, but which I think is also absolutely necessary at this time of 41 00:04:09.879 --> 00:04:18.720 planetary crisis. We could say not the passion that awakens to look to the 42 00:04:18.800 --> 00:04:26.160 sky from memory, I do not know whether it is ancestral or very deep, 43 00:04:26.439 --> 00:04:32.720 that we have all human beings in that connection, that we have of 44 00:04:32.759 --> 00:04:38.800 the development of the evolution of this species. Not that ability to remember that 45 00:04:38.839 --> 00:04:49.800 we are part of and the possibility to establish as a coherence, but to 46 00:04:49.920 --> 00:04:56.319 fill us as a peace of mind also when, when we look at the 47 00:04:56.360 --> 00:05:00.800 sky, we realize that we are really doing part of an immense thing. 48 00:05:00.120 --> 00:05:04.120 Immensa immense, So I think that gives us a lot of peace of mind 49 00:05:04.160 --> 00:05:09.560 in the face of the responsibility that society has given us since Superman. Yeah. 50 00:05:09.600 --> 00:05:11.879 Yeah, yeah, super girl, yeah, yeah, yeah. Of 51 00:05:11.879 --> 00:05:17.079 course, cosmic consciousness. Cosmic consciousness. That phrase looks beautiful. Alejandro, 52 00:05:17.480 --> 00:05:26.879 as everything is connected, I have this kind of personal metaphysics that consists of 53 00:05:26.959 --> 00:05:33.480 opening a book, more or less randomly and the night participating little our conversation. 54 00:05:34.560 --> 00:05:38.800 He opened this book, which is a book by a philosopher and expert 55 00:05:38.839 --> 00:05:42.720 in ancient religions called David Fedeler, a professor at the University of Pennsylvania, 56 00:05:44.120 --> 00:05:46.560 and this paragraph appears that I want to read and has to do with what 57 00:05:46.560 --> 00:05:49.920 we are talking about. Diana. Please, let' s go wherever we 58 00:05:49.959 --> 00:05:56.240 go anywhere on earth. Since the beginning of time, people have always tried 59 00:05:56.279 --> 00:06:01.160 to align themselves with the cosmos, the primary experience of humanity. The firmament 60 00:06:01.240 --> 00:06:05.959 was alive and bullied with living things. The life of their celestial bodies also 61 00:06:06.000 --> 00:06:12.279 sustains us. Without the sun, life would be completely extinguished. Without the 62 00:06:12.360 --> 00:06:16.439 moon, it would be impossible to count the months without the stars, we 63 00:06:16.439 --> 00:06:21.879 would lose the trail of the seasons under the sky brimming with life to the 64 00:06:21.920 --> 00:06:29.879 traditional peoples maintained with the firmament a relationship much more intimate than the current inhabitants 65 00:06:29.959 --> 00:06:33.560 of the modern city could imagine. Which is the subject we have disconnected from 66 00:06:34.279 --> 00:06:38.879 looking at, the sky of our essence. And I think we lost the 67 00:06:39.000 --> 00:06:46.199 script because we really got back together. Imagine the first men the show, 68 00:06:46.519 --> 00:06:50.240 what the cinema was. The show really was to wait, the sunset and 69 00:06:50.319 --> 00:06:55.240 bequeath to contemplate the sky. It is true, of course, millions and 70 00:06:55.279 --> 00:07:00.399 millions of stars, fleeting stars, ones that shone brighter and brighter, and 71 00:07:00.160 --> 00:07:05.560 for eight thousand years we began to draw with them to form figurines. Yeah, 72 00:07:05.680 --> 00:07:13.519 then we formed. NASA has eighty- eight constellations. Constellations are the 73 00:07:13.759 --> 00:07:20.439 imaginary figurines that we were making true to create a story. Then there in 74 00:07:20.480 --> 00:07:27.399 heaven is our first library. Each constellation has a story, Each constellation is 75 00:07:27.439 --> 00:07:33.040 a mythical and mystical account. Yes, then it really connected us to what 76 00:07:33.079 --> 00:07:41.439 was above and that was left in our collective unconscious, because we, when 77 00:07:41.519 --> 00:07:46.920 we look up, are always doing it to pray, to remember, to 78 00:07:46.920 --> 00:07:53.519 beg. There is an almost biological connection, true from the body' s 79 00:07:53.639 --> 00:07:59.360 response when it looks up, as it seeks clear orientation and from there our 80 00:07:59.360 --> 00:08:05.399 relationship with the sky is born. We' re connecting and waiting like the 81 00:08:05.519 --> 00:08:09.439 econo for the answer to what' s there, and there' s our 82 00:08:09.439 --> 00:08:13.319 whole narrative. Also the first temples were toward the open. I think yes, 83 00:08:15.199 --> 00:08:20.720 so they have to look at the underpants is your personal relationship with the 84 00:08:20.720 --> 00:08:26.160 sky' s gaze. How it is, I mean, at what time 85 00:08:26.240 --> 00:08:33.080 you were discovering that before weird there you started when you let yourself look at 86 00:08:33.799 --> 00:08:37.360 the earth and started looking at the sky. That' s wonderful, because 87 00:08:37.399 --> 00:08:43.639 I think there are a lot of people with me who feel very extraterrestrial, 88 00:08:43.919 --> 00:08:48.080 like very lost on this unclear right plane. And what do I do here, 89 00:08:48.159 --> 00:08:54.039 right now that before we start talking about the finance issue, it costs 90 00:08:54.600 --> 00:09:00.120 us a lot of things that are completely alien to a sometimes even I say 91 00:09:00.200 --> 00:09:01.879 what I do here. Help. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it' 92 00:09:01.879 --> 00:09:07.080 s a very mundane business to finance. Yes or it' s not heaven. 93 00:09:09.320 --> 00:09:13.919 Yeah, yeah, which makes me disproportionate, that' s right, 94 00:09:13.919 --> 00:09:18.279 that' s right. That narrows me down a lot to net us then 95 00:09:18.279 --> 00:09:20.840 of course. I lived a little lost, a little not in my house. 96 00:09:20.879 --> 00:09:26.240 They said they' d see if he' d come down in three 97 00:09:26.240 --> 00:09:28.679 days of little girls. H yes, I mean, yes, completely lost. 98 00:09:28.759 --> 00:09:33.200 I' m from country family. The tenth, the tenth, daughter, 99 00:09:33.639 --> 00:09:37.600 imagine the number of brothers and hear Diana tell her to land the good 100 00:09:37.679 --> 00:09:41.080 sky. I can talk ten hours about everything he told me. Yes, 101 00:09:41.840 --> 00:09:48.679 and in life I found astrology and it was that it was more or less, 102 00:09:48.799 --> 00:09:50.480 no, because I was about twenty- four years old. Yes, 103 00:09:50.639 --> 00:09:54.039 I remember that reading twenty- four or twenty- five years, that first 104 00:09:54.039 --> 00:09:58.600 reading. I said wow, there' s something that explains to me, 105 00:09:58.759 --> 00:10:03.559 that' s what helps me understand and someone clears my astrology teacher that after 106 00:10:03.639 --> 00:10:07.480 my teacher many years yes, and also taught me many things the teacher told 107 00:10:07.600 --> 00:10:11.480 me it' s called Nahil Cortes. She' s a wonderful teacher because 108 00:10:11.600 --> 00:10:16.200 she also went to meditate on me. He taught him made- believe mens 109 00:10:16.240 --> 00:10:20.240 good taught me. He taught me as something else, because, well, 110 00:10:20.799 --> 00:10:24.080 obviously one is created in the world of mathematics, of reason, of logic 111 00:10:24.120 --> 00:10:30.679 and of intellectuality. At least a little bit of respect. It was true. 112 00:10:30.720 --> 00:10:35.759 We are formed in a cultured way. We could say true. We 113 00:10:35.840 --> 00:10:41.559 know about stories, we know about mathematics, we know about geography, we 114 00:10:41.559 --> 00:10:46.919 know about many things, not sure, but sometimes there are gaps there that 115 00:10:46.000 --> 00:10:50.519 information doesn' t fill. But also in architecture there is a search for 116 00:10:50.519 --> 00:10:54.919 harmony, to adapt, to judge the world clearly that it does be part 117 00:10:56.360 --> 00:10:58.759 of that cosmos that in the background is a fact. I think there' 118 00:10:58.759 --> 00:11:03.360 s an aesthetic attention that seems to me like it' s mail all of 119 00:11:03.360 --> 00:11:07.879 a sudden. It is a greater art also proportions. I never learned to 120 00:11:07.919 --> 00:11:13.000 draw and always though I studied civil engineering and touched it was a ro. 121 00:11:13.559 --> 00:11:16.519 I always had from the outside an admiration for architecture, but that was a 122 00:11:16.960 --> 00:11:20.000 deficiency TiVo that I did not know how to do. I believe that everyone 123 00:11:20.000 --> 00:11:24.720 is really serious architect and it is the discussion that we had pleasures, serial 124 00:11:24.720 --> 00:11:28.039 architects, that we all know what we want and the relationship we have with 125 00:11:28.120 --> 00:11:33.159 space. So we don' t know how to translate it, but architecture 126 00:11:33.240 --> 00:11:35.679 is each one' s relationship with space. Yes, of course, when 127 00:11:35.759 --> 00:11:39.399 you sit down to talk to a person that you want in your house because 128 00:11:39.440 --> 00:11:45.440 there is a list of things that are what she needs space to provide according 129 00:11:45.480 --> 00:11:48.120 to who is unclear and I, in my path I managed to understand those 130 00:11:48.159 --> 00:11:52.639 two things, because I always fought as between architecture and astrology and said, 131 00:11:52.720 --> 00:11:58.039 but here there is a fabric really, because architecture is helping me to find 132 00:11:58.039 --> 00:12:01.519 balance of harmony, since the space responds to me and in some way, 133 00:12:03.120 --> 00:12:07.120 the search for astrology is also that. Let' s say from a much 134 00:12:07.279 --> 00:12:11.960 deeper or more human thing. Yes, I don' t know if human 135 00:12:11.960 --> 00:12:16.639 is the word, but from another place, let' s say from another 136 00:12:16.080 --> 00:12:22.360 intimate look, more, yes, deeper here more probe perhaps and more architecture 137 00:12:22.440 --> 00:12:30.000 astrology also allows one to find those balances. Right, that structure. Let 138 00:12:30.039 --> 00:12:33.519 us say from the basis of aesthetics, which is the perfect balance, the 139 00:12:33.600 --> 00:12:37.679 divine proportion of which the Greeks spoke. It is true that neither very, 140 00:12:37.960 --> 00:12:41.919 nor so much in the just proportion of the just measure, which is what 141 00:12:41.919 --> 00:12:48.559 astrology allows us in the encounter and understanding of who we are within this great 142 00:12:48.759 --> 00:12:52.080 cosmos. Right, that' s why we look back at the sky. 143 00:12:52.840 --> 00:13:00.720 I see a coherence because of course, older accounts that are known are temples 144 00:13:00.840 --> 00:13:03.480 and temples that wanted to reproduce the Universe. They' re little maps of 145 00:13:03.480 --> 00:13:13.919 the universe. Of course it' s interesting. I want to look back 146 00:13:15.000 --> 00:13:20.559 at the sky and I want to read a fragment of a poem I once 147 00:13:20.559 --> 00:13:24.320 read by chance, from rave Bradbury Great, of which Borges said he is 148 00:13:24.320 --> 00:13:26.799 a melancholy poet. Maybe there' s some melancholy. Looking up at the 149 00:13:26.799 --> 00:13:30.799 sky. No, of course, it' s a joy, but it 150 00:13:31.639 --> 00:13:35.440 ' s a different joy. In that connection, perhaps there were birds that 151 00:13:35.519 --> 00:13:41.200 some nights felt that orion rose and tuned the flight looking south and then wondered 152 00:13:41.240 --> 00:13:50.080 rhetorically. Ray Bradbury. Yes, but seeing and actually knowing and saying not 153 00:13:50.200 --> 00:13:56.000 only human beings. He says it' s no animal. He has seen 154 00:13:56.039 --> 00:14:00.360 the stars and ends the poem by saying the following. For not us, 155 00:14:00.440 --> 00:14:05.840 the gifts Aldebarán Centauro, our neighbor Mars, wake up. God says, 156 00:14:07.080 --> 00:14:13.120 look at that go for them the stars, or God, thank you very 157 00:14:13.120 --> 00:14:20.080 much. The lucky stars, pretty, pretty, are repair, very nice. 158 00:14:20.320 --> 00:14:24.159 It' s called. They' ve never seen the stars and the 159 00:14:24.159 --> 00:14:30.840 other animals you' ve overreacted today Someone will say it' s a little 160 00:14:30.879 --> 00:14:31.840 anthropocentric, but it always seemed nice to me. It has to do with 161 00:14:31.879 --> 00:14:35.879 that idea. Again the animal that looks at the sky, for now that 162 00:14:35.960 --> 00:14:41.240 we were talking about anthropocentric ann, now that we were talking about anthropocentric ann. 163 00:14:43.360 --> 00:14:50.639 I was thinking that scientists in these months have been arguing to death if 164 00:14:50.679 --> 00:14:56.360 this earth age is called the anthropocene, which is a very interesting thing. 165 00:14:58.039 --> 00:15:05.960 The idea that the presence of the human species has already affected the earth so 166 00:15:05.080 --> 00:15:13.200 much has changed it so much that it has even changed its climates, its 167 00:15:13.200 --> 00:15:18.240 geographies. And it can be said that there is a physical agent on the 168 00:15:18.279 --> 00:15:24.279 earth of the human species that is transforming it and it is if it has 169 00:15:24.399 --> 00:15:30.399 modified it in a profound way. Logically accurate geologically, instead of inhabiting and 170 00:15:30.639 --> 00:15:37.200 caring for it, it has been exploiting it and using it as much as 171 00:15:37.200 --> 00:15:45.399 possible. Let' s say and you have dedicated yourself to this reading of 172 00:15:45.440 --> 00:15:50.080 heaven right at this moment of exploitation, of the calysis of what Alexander has 173 00:15:50.360 --> 00:15:56.039 called in a series of books very much that are almost trilogy the crisis as 174 00:15:56.159 --> 00:16:00.559 of the madness of these times. Yeah, crazy like that. He compared 175 00:16:00.600 --> 00:16:04.840 it in the book about Stephanes Bke, postwar, war, World War II, 176 00:16:06.639 --> 00:16:11.759 for example. You are right in this moment of the earth and the 177 00:16:11.799 --> 00:16:18.440 species dedicated to this and what you see There astrologically where you do wonders, 178 00:16:18.399 --> 00:16:26.440 exactly, because we had talked when we met Ricardo about the crisis we were 179 00:16:26.480 --> 00:16:32.360 entering. Not then were we talking about two thousand eighteen and that year also 180 00:16:32.440 --> 00:16:37.080 dark in two thousand sixteen, eight hundred that you were in your novel, 181 00:16:37.840 --> 00:16:41.200 in the novel yes and that, therefore, the conclusion I told you in 182 00:16:41.240 --> 00:16:42.279 the two thousand eighteen do not wait. Two thousand and twenty, that' 183 00:16:42.399 --> 00:16:47.279 s how the conversation ends. The two thousand twenty ends, the conversation doesn 184 00:16:47.399 --> 00:16:52.879 ' t end. Do not pray, hour one and then we began to 185 00:16:52.960 --> 00:16:56.039 make our guides year after year, and Diana all the time said prosperity the 186 00:16:56.120 --> 00:17:02.759 two thousand twenty- four, exactly bisiests, two thousand sixteen, two thousand 187 00:17:02.879 --> 00:17:07.079 twenty, two thousand twenty- four and clear human formation. Then let' 188 00:17:07.200 --> 00:17:12.440 s get back to it. Try summarizing it. Yes, then we are 189 00:17:12.680 --> 00:17:19.079 disconnected from the sky and are at this moment at a great crossroads. Not 190 00:17:19.559 --> 00:17:23.880 to say anything else. Let' s say that we are in this sense 191 00:17:25.000 --> 00:17:32.000 as a species, why we were quoting the species as such created the way 192 00:17:32.079 --> 00:17:36.720 to survive on earth, but at this time it became endemic. We are 193 00:17:36.799 --> 00:17:40.000 already more of those who fit, more or less, no yes, and 194 00:17:40.160 --> 00:17:45.440 it was the development as of conquest, conquest and position ourselves and dominate the 195 00:17:45.720 --> 00:17:48.960 land and the land said they know no more, and the moment of crisis 196 00:17:49.160 --> 00:17:53.279 was this true. Then, on the one hand, the sky is showing 197 00:17:53.359 --> 00:17:57.079 the moment of crisis. We were talking about the twenty to twenty- four 198 00:17:57.160 --> 00:18:02.119 there is a great transition, because the transformation was being seen in heaven. 199 00:18:02.559 --> 00:18:07.400 There are three transpersonal planets that are Pluto, Neptune and Uranus, which are 200 00:18:07.480 --> 00:18:12.400 said to be personal, because we never saw them until there were telescopes like 201 00:18:12.400 --> 00:18:18.200 that. That to Saturn we see yes the suret that are the first formations, 202 00:18:18.720 --> 00:18:22.079 as Ahorita Alejandro quoted, speaking of the temples, the surets are the 203 00:18:22.160 --> 00:18:26.599 first pyramids. Let' s say the first. It is called yes from 204 00:18:26.599 --> 00:18:32.000 where it was observed, and each had the name of a planet and it 205 00:18:32.240 --> 00:18:37.559 was the nine stories that each planet had that were observable to the naked eye. 206 00:18:37.839 --> 00:18:44.200 Or then those transpersonals that we discovered later with telescopes are planets that move 207 00:18:44.240 --> 00:18:48.599 very slowly. So what we say they operate in the collective psyches for all 208 00:18:49.599 --> 00:18:57.680 include as much alcohol to the collective to the species as species. Then there 209 00:18:59.279 --> 00:19:04.000 was a very clear sample of a planetary moment in the two thousand twenty that 210 00:19:04.000 --> 00:19:08.000 was to have repercussions to these two thousand twenty- four, because in the 211 00:19:08.000 --> 00:19:11.680 two thousand twenty- five? There is another new alignment that is clearly speaking 212 00:19:11.759 --> 00:19:15.519 to us as a new beginning. Yeah, so, two thousand twenty- 213 00:19:15.599 --> 00:19:18.240 five, two thousand twenty- five, the real crisis is this two thousand 214 00:19:18.240 --> 00:19:22.680 twenty- four? Yeah, that' s how he' s showing us. 215 00:19:22.759 --> 00:19:26.720 The Holy One tests the land of the critical moment we are in. 216 00:19:26.200 --> 00:19:29.920 But because it' s critical and this is what I think is most important, 217 00:19:30.119 --> 00:19:33.799 because if we don' t stay as in the phenomenological and leave it 218 00:19:33.839 --> 00:19:37.720 up there, we have to put it down right here, then what' 219 00:19:37.720 --> 00:19:41.680 s the crisis. That we forgot that we are species, species evolve to 220 00:19:41.319 --> 00:19:45.319 us. I don' t know in what minutes we forgot, that we 221 00:19:45.359 --> 00:19:49.519 are animals that evolve, that our base is that we are mammals, that 222 00:19:49.519 --> 00:19:53.200 we evolve. So, right now the crisis is because the brain our mind 223 00:19:53.279 --> 00:19:59.839 came to a point of development where it was already able to pull out the 224 00:20:00.240 --> 00:20:04.440 intelligence. Yes, and artificial intelligence appears, that is to say we can 225 00:20:04.559 --> 00:20:11.240 get it right, we have done it gradually, we start it with machines 226 00:20:11.319 --> 00:20:15.880 and technology arrives and I know it then says there is and now what. 227 00:20:17.039 --> 00:20:19.720 If there are already those who think for us, yes, of course then 228 00:20:19.720 --> 00:20:23.240 all that. We' re in front of a jump. Yeah, well, 229 00:20:23.319 --> 00:20:27.079 the vagina thinks we' re gonna do intelligence is no longer the problem. 230 00:20:27.200 --> 00:20:30.039 It' s not the problem. The jump is that then ah we 231 00:20:30.079 --> 00:20:34.079 get to the peak because we get it out and someone does it the machine 232 00:20:34.119 --> 00:20:38.480 does it for us, that is almost like there is a technological development yes, 233 00:20:38.920 --> 00:20:42.119 powerful, yes, and then where is the other, what is the 234 00:20:42.240 --> 00:20:48.720 human, the link, the one that connects us and allows us to live 235 00:20:48.839 --> 00:20:55.119 on this planet with the consciousness of the transformation of being as human. Yeah, 236 00:20:55.240 --> 00:21:00.680 so that little bit is our turn to get ahead of us again and 237 00:21:00.680 --> 00:21:04.960 open up to what follows. What follows is that quantum leap that the brain 238 00:21:06.000 --> 00:21:11.240 is making in terms of evolution, evolution that is to begin to mature as 239 00:21:11.279 --> 00:21:18.519 an essence. Yeah, and that' s why we have to connect with 240 00:21:18.960 --> 00:21:22.000 the emotional, because if we don' t jump, we' re still 241 00:21:22.000 --> 00:21:29.279 predators. Of course and astrology is helping us understand that the brain continues to 242 00:21:29.319 --> 00:21:33.720 develop and that we have matured a lot in technology, but not in the 243 00:21:33.720 --> 00:21:37.000 brain to link. I quote an author who is wonderful who is called Eugenio 244 00:21:37.000 --> 00:21:41.519 Caruti and I recommend it to everyone. He speaks of planetary intelligence and he 245 00:21:41.599 --> 00:21:45.720 speaks of all these subjects, of bonding, because we, in order to 246 00:21:45.839 --> 00:21:52.559 be able to bond, are social, but in order to be able to 247 00:21:52.640 --> 00:21:57.000 bond we have and we have to allow ourselves to be transformed, because he 248 00:21:57.119 --> 00:22:03.440 always speaks as the moment in which we are our mind, has an object, 249 00:22:03.680 --> 00:22:03.799 a subject and an object each that we make a distinction. Everything outside 250 00:22:03.839 --> 00:22:10.119 of us is objectivized and then that is very well with machines and processes, 251 00:22:10.359 --> 00:22:17.039 but not with people. We cannot objectivize, true, because when we become 252 00:22:17.160 --> 00:22:19.960 object, then we want the other one to be and he cites a guess 253 00:22:19.960 --> 00:22:22.759 at a conference. That' s when we talk about the kids. My 254 00:22:22.920 --> 00:22:27.359 son and I want a project for my son. Yes, and then I 255 00:22:27.480 --> 00:22:33.960 imagine that it must be and must comply with that design. And really where 256 00:22:34.039 --> 00:22:38.000 we' re going. It is to understand that the bond or relationship has 257 00:22:38.160 --> 00:22:45.960 to transform us all and grace is to allow us to be transformed from the 258 00:22:47.000 --> 00:22:48.839 relationship we create with others. That' s where he has to jump. 259 00:22:48.920 --> 00:22:55.119 The brain has to go, but the species is wrong I have about this 260 00:22:55.200 --> 00:23:02.160 critical moment with what we were calling it is there astrologically, but also looking 261 00:23:02.160 --> 00:23:10.079 inward, towards worldly affairs as two intuitions. The first is, in that 262 00:23:10.079 --> 00:23:15.279 evolution of the human being, the growth of the brain, especially the prefrontal 263 00:23:15.279 --> 00:23:18.759 lobes, was very fast from an evolutionary point of view, the thing that 264 00:23:18.759 --> 00:23:26.039 began to grow surely by mechanisms of mutual reinforcement and that somehow prefigures the fact 265 00:23:26.160 --> 00:23:29.880 that we are not going to make a species that lasts a long time. 266 00:23:29.880 --> 00:23:33.599 We are not a fossil species like the shark, which has been doing the 267 00:23:33.640 --> 00:23:37.759 same thing for seventy million years. So that rapid growth is as if we 268 00:23:37.799 --> 00:23:47.119 were not fleeting to evolutionary, we evolved to where their faith and the other 269 00:23:47.240 --> 00:23:52.240 this coincidence that I sometimes see it as if a simulator had done it perversely, 270 00:23:52.920 --> 00:23:59.920 and that is that the emergence of the artificial intelligence of that great brain, 271 00:24:00.759 --> 00:24:03.559 the species turned into a single large brain, coincides with the crisis of 272 00:24:03.640 --> 00:24:07.640 chemistry. That did not have to coincide, that is, the peak of 273 00:24:07.640 --> 00:24:14.279 the climate emergency, coinciding with the moment when the species connected in one, 274 00:24:14.559 --> 00:24:15.640 in one brain, and why it was so, why it was tragically how 275 00:24:15.759 --> 00:24:22.039 much this was getting good as the end foreshadowed. If the end is foreshadowed, 276 00:24:22.240 --> 00:24:27.839 one might also think because there is a transformation, yes, one epoch 277 00:24:29.279 --> 00:24:33.359 and that other. And from the literary point of view, it seems to 278 00:24:33.359 --> 00:24:36.039 me to be very interesting. I think we' ve talked about it before, 279 00:24:36.599 --> 00:24:41.440 but I think it' s worth the feeling that this has been epic. 280 00:24:42.160 --> 00:24:47.519 It has been like epic poems, that is, it has been about 281 00:24:47.640 --> 00:24:55.119 the conquest of places, about the discovery of continents, about the domination of 282 00:24:55.240 --> 00:25:00.480 other communities, the subjugation of other communities prevalent over others. The domain. 283 00:25:00.559 --> 00:25:06.119 We saw about nature. Nature, control, control over winning rottenness, situations, 284 00:25:07.640 --> 00:25:12.440 we continue in wars, we continue in the domain of the other place 285 00:25:12.559 --> 00:25:17.880 and one would have the feeling that evolution in that case would be towards the 286 00:25:17.920 --> 00:25:23.680 dramatic, which is transformation. Let yourself be transformed. All drama is about 287 00:25:23.680 --> 00:25:30.720 the transformation of a character and I think that would be what is being proposed 288 00:25:30.240 --> 00:25:33.880 or what can be read in the sky also a transformation towards the dramatic, 289 00:25:34.440 --> 00:25:41.640 which is the transformation of everyone and the search to inhabit the world rather than 290 00:25:42.079 --> 00:25:47.880 dominate it, rather than exploit it more. In that sense, yes, 291 00:25:47.960 --> 00:25:52.720 although the drama always because I' d like to see it more like crazy 292 00:25:52.880 --> 00:25:57.839 it consecrates her. Yeah,' cause the drema does have it there like 293 00:25:57.880 --> 00:26:03.519 a deep back thing. Yeah, and my daughter gave me away these days. 294 00:26:03.599 --> 00:26:06.759 One word that I love, that Mommy told me, is that the 295 00:26:06.759 --> 00:26:11.319 point is that we are very transcendental. We all looked for pin object and 296 00:26:11.359 --> 00:26:15.359 forgot the immanence. Yes, yes, yes, the ability to be, 297 00:26:15.440 --> 00:26:21.440 to enjoy, to enjoy, to contemplate, to help someone feel it, 298 00:26:21.559 --> 00:26:25.519 to give it as an example, to contemplate is incapable. Yes, yes, 299 00:26:25.559 --> 00:26:29.279 we are unable to do so. Then, of course, what we 300 00:26:29.440 --> 00:26:33.680 ' re going to transform. But it doesn' t have to be heartbreaking. 301 00:26:33.079 --> 00:26:37.039 I think we are going with the amazement of what we were talking about 302 00:26:37.119 --> 00:26:41.640 these days. As you hear, let' s find out, and that 303 00:26:41.680 --> 00:26:42.559 ' s what astrology invites a lot of us to do. Listen, every 304 00:26:42.720 --> 00:26:47.240 day there' s a step to what life is showing where we' re 305 00:26:47.240 --> 00:26:49.680 going without it being a script, because then it' s not new? 306 00:26:51.480 --> 00:26:53.039 Yeah, he' s already in the head, so what' s new? 307 00:26:53.359 --> 00:26:56.960 There' s no chance. I think rich that by different ways, 308 00:26:57.960 --> 00:27:03.079 we had reached a conclusion in an earlier episode. Third round about this necessary 309 00:27:03.160 --> 00:27:07.039 movement towards comedy. Toward comedy yes, yes, it is that comedy is 310 00:27:07.079 --> 00:27:12.240 part of the drama. It is from days we have made it a little 311 00:27:12.319 --> 00:27:15.480 something from another point of view, not astrological, not looking to heaven, 312 00:27:15.720 --> 00:27:19.559 but to books or some, we had reached the same conclusion that seems interesting 313 00:27:19.559 --> 00:27:22.279 to me. That' s also comedy. Yeah. Of course there is 314 00:27:22.359 --> 00:27:29.839 also this word harmony, which is how to fit also to regain that connection 315 00:27:30.079 --> 00:27:37.400 with the universe, to find balance. For me, this cupic consciousness we 316 00:27:37.440 --> 00:27:41.319 ' ve talked about has not been a subject, as it was for you 317 00:27:41.400 --> 00:27:45.319 all of a sudden, Diana, as it has been since very old. 318 00:27:45.319 --> 00:27:52.920 For me it has been more recent, but perhaps Carl Sagan, as the 319 00:27:52.000 --> 00:27:57.920 first cosmic poet that thought I was interested, but in the last decade perhaps 320 00:27:59.000 --> 00:28:07.359 I have also had is yes as I do not know impetu or desire to 321 00:28:07.480 --> 00:28:12.400 connect the book of David Faedeller, which and now is called restoring the soul 322 00:28:12.400 --> 00:28:19.640 of the world. Connections to a little book by Nicaraguan poet Ernesto Cardenal, 323 00:28:19.759 --> 00:28:25.880 which is called a public booklet, not a big book. I like to 324 00:28:25.880 --> 00:28:30.119 open it on any page and it' s a celebration of that literally fitting 325 00:28:30.119 --> 00:28:33.480 in. You have oracles in literature, they' re oricles. That' 326 00:28:33.519 --> 00:28:37.359 s an oracle. I open a book anywhere and that phrase resonates with me 327 00:28:37.440 --> 00:28:41.559 and generates me as a coherence for the day. Not because where we are 328 00:28:41.640 --> 00:28:45.839 going is to integrate that quest for balance at last is called peace. I 329 00:28:45.880 --> 00:28:52.440 think I and we are very, very, very alienated to be always looking 330 00:28:52.599 --> 00:28:56.599 for happiness and to be good, well, and that' s absurd. 331 00:28:56.839 --> 00:29:00.319 It' s different happiness we' re at. One can be at peace. 332 00:29:00.480 --> 00:29:03.880 True, in order to live peace it has much to do with being 333 00:29:03.960 --> 00:29:10.079 in presence. And that' s because I' m here, here I 334 00:29:10.680 --> 00:29:15.720 ' m realizing what' s happening to me and this is where I have 335 00:29:15.799 --> 00:29:19.240 the chance to transform the right moment and make decisions. The e- Cartole 336 00:29:19.279 --> 00:29:23.039 who talks so much about here and the time. Yeah, but if you 337 00:29:23.119 --> 00:29:27.599 look at it, let' s say since I think it' s nice 338 00:29:27.599 --> 00:29:33.359 to connect it. I think all searches like that are the most mathematical, 339 00:29:33.559 --> 00:29:37.839 the most transcendental or the most intellectual. Always on the way back to the 340 00:29:37.880 --> 00:29:44.799 deep search for the connection. Yes, with something else, because we have 341 00:29:44.880 --> 00:29:51.759 not been able to explain ourselves or fill ourselves only with understanding, with knowledge. 342 00:29:51.880 --> 00:29:56.759 So, you talk about sagam but it' s reading books of famous 343 00:29:56.880 --> 00:30:00.279 Einstein phrases, that is, the philosof the deep gum that he had. 344 00:30:00.319 --> 00:30:04.519 It is a magical thing of connection as well and mystery. The celebration of 345 00:30:04.599 --> 00:30:11.759 the Mister says that one comes to God by heart or mind. Yeah, 346 00:30:11.839 --> 00:30:17.759 but look at all these scientists the more they get in, the more the 347 00:30:17.880 --> 00:30:21.640 mystery is revealed to him. Let' s say the mind, they collide 348 00:30:21.720 --> 00:30:25.079 with the barrier of mystery and mouth with mystery and there appears a mystical theme. 349 00:30:25.279 --> 00:30:27.079 It' s interesting, yes, it' s really what' s 350 00:30:27.119 --> 00:30:30.799 going to rescue us as human beings. Yeah, there' s that search. 351 00:30:33.039 --> 00:30:37.720 Now I was talking about that step, like that bridge, from the 352 00:30:37.799 --> 00:30:45.720 epic to the dramatic comic, let' s say, but I remember we 353 00:30:47.039 --> 00:30:52.079 talked about the twist, or the shift or the path of a masculine thought, 354 00:30:52.440 --> 00:30:56.359 a feminine thought at this moment of transformation. That' s super pretty, 355 00:30:56.400 --> 00:31:00.240 ' cause we' re back on the subject of heaven. We have 356 00:31:00.240 --> 00:31:04.559 understood the earth that rotates, rotation and translation. Yes, yes, and 357 00:31:04.599 --> 00:31:08.279 we forgot the precession of the equinoxes, which is a movement that has the 358 00:31:08.359 --> 00:31:15.319 earth as a trumpet around the ring of the twelve constellations. That movement takes 359 00:31:15.359 --> 00:31:19.720 twenty- six thousand years, so it is roughly two thousand and a peak 360 00:31:19.799 --> 00:31:23.920 of years. And that' s what we call the famous eras. This 361 00:31:25.039 --> 00:31:29.599 civilization began in the era of Leo over there, eight thousand and eleven thousand 362 00:31:29.680 --> 00:31:33.000 years ago. So, if that lasts thirteen twenty- six thousand years, 363 00:31:33.720 --> 00:31:37.440 we' re literally getting in half and that' s why I read, 364 00:31:37.759 --> 00:31:41.200 the opposite, that aquarium, half of us. This civilization eight ten thousand 365 00:31:41.599 --> 00:31:47.839 or so is born with history, with the writing, exactly. So writing 366 00:31:47.920 --> 00:31:53.400 is mind not language has to be expressed. What I think has to be 367 00:31:53.480 --> 00:31:59.480 shaped. So there' s a development from the hemisphere, from male energy. 368 00:32:00.079 --> 00:32:05.079 So, that' s why there' s knowledge, it' s 369 00:32:05.160 --> 00:32:10.920 male energy, making that male energy, producing certain development. That male energy 370 00:32:10.960 --> 00:32:15.160 is true, so it' s like a great exhalation the 13 thousand years 371 00:32:15.160 --> 00:32:19.240 that follow. You need to inhale, because it' s a circle. 372 00:32:19.359 --> 00:32:22.000 Life is completed, you live in circles. Not good, in spirals. 373 00:32:22.160 --> 00:32:28.799 No. So these next thirteen zero years is inhaling and that inhalation necessarily rescues 374 00:32:28.920 --> 00:32:32.039 the female energy. The female energy is the one that allows us to wait. 375 00:32:32.119 --> 00:32:37.039 We speak of the female male as the magnet, clear positive and deny 376 00:32:37.119 --> 00:32:40.200 it happens in all genres, that energy. We have why we are energies, 377 00:32:42.200 --> 00:32:45.359 we are polarity, we are all made of that yes, of course, 378 00:32:46.039 --> 00:32:52.039 then, this feminine energy is the one that allows us to expect, 379 00:32:53.680 --> 00:33:00.519 contain, embrace, contemplate and has much development, its potentiality is in intuition, 380 00:33:00.759 --> 00:33:05.559 which is knowledge, wisdom, which has no logic, because it is 381 00:33:05.720 --> 00:33:12.160 when the intellect merges with instinct, with our biological being, that fusion is 382 00:33:12.240 --> 00:33:15.759 going to be intuitive to us. The development of this humanity has to go 383 00:33:15.799 --> 00:33:22.799 towards intuition, which is understanding, if the connection all that allows us to 384 00:33:22.839 --> 00:33:30.440 be connected and understand that, the finite thing is that we are the temporal 385 00:33:30.759 --> 00:33:36.599 ones and the powerful thing is that we are from the moment we are, 386 00:33:37.440 --> 00:33:45.160 in the contemplation of the moment, from the allowing life to pass us. 387 00:33:45.240 --> 00:33:46.960 We, in fact, are vehicles. That' s what astrology learns. 388 00:33:47.599 --> 00:33:52.039 We' re a vehicle that spends its life. We are energy and life 389 00:33:52.079 --> 00:33:59.039 is energy. So we' re just transporters. The vehicle of life itself, 390 00:33:59.359 --> 00:34:01.519 which is what transforms us then when one becomes aware that life passes through 391 00:34:01.559 --> 00:34:06.200 one, for that cart lasts nothing, but we are singers of life. 392 00:34:07.599 --> 00:34:13.679 Yeah, that' s female energy. From a very materialistic, complex point 393 00:34:14.519 --> 00:34:16.840 of view. Richard Dowkins wrote this book called The Selfish Gene, and he 394 00:34:17.960 --> 00:34:23.159 had the same view of life as all the sordid vehicles that we simply carry 395 00:34:23.239 --> 00:34:28.360 life. In this case the genetic code looked at it, of course, 396 00:34:29.000 --> 00:34:34.920 but they were super- vehicles that have that selfish gene that function. If 397 00:34:35.079 --> 00:34:39.079 the selfish gene was and we' re not vehicles, I know if we 398 00:34:39.079 --> 00:34:44.239 just call it vehicles, I' d take that load off if we lived 399 00:34:44.239 --> 00:34:46.800 it consciously. It is true and also as in altecería. If I am 400 00:34:47.840 --> 00:34:53.000 aware that I am the bearer of life, true I am the Stutchell Drexler, 401 00:34:53.679 --> 00:34:58.639 one of my favorite singers, says a life what a valley sun says. 402 00:34:58.960 --> 00:35:07.559 Yeah, it' s worth a life a sun A life what a 403 00:35:07.559 --> 00:35:15.119 sun is worth? Okay? A life what a sun A life what a 404 00:35:15.199 --> 00:35:20.719 sun is worth? It is the awareness of the value of life and of 405 00:35:20.800 --> 00:35:24.960 being us, as bearers of life, I believe that there would be if 406 00:35:25.000 --> 00:35:30.639 one separated there respect and truth and tolerance and everything that changes from being I 407 00:35:30.679 --> 00:35:36.880 am the bearer of life and what has had to reverse the universe so that 408 00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:42.159 one exists not how it would change the thing. It also seems to me 409 00:35:42.239 --> 00:35:47.079 that there is one here that has not been for a long time, but 410 00:35:47.199 --> 00:35:51.679 a certain convergence between these looks and the same scientific look that has become more 411 00:35:52.239 --> 00:35:59.360 holistic, to understand the universe almost as a living, dynamic and changing being, 412 00:35:59.440 --> 00:36:04.480 as an organism, a clear organization and all this vision knows with what 413 00:36:04.960 --> 00:36:08.159 words I stay, with visions the first step and the other, that is, 414 00:36:08.599 --> 00:36:12.000 I will practice it at this moment, of inhaling us how I can 415 00:36:12.000 --> 00:36:17.000 say. It is true that it makes us, through demos, the only 416 00:36:17.079 --> 00:36:22.239 possibility of being transformed is that things will cross us. And if not, 417 00:36:22.440 --> 00:36:28.960 then, to see to remain equal, it is not like wanting to perpetuate 418 00:36:29.159 --> 00:36:34.960 a photolo and there is nothing more real than transformation. Grasí is Diana. 419 00:36:35.000 --> 00:36:37.800 Thank you very much, thank you very much for this excellent conversation. Yes, 420 00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:43.320 happy, happy, happy, thank you very much, not me more, 421 00:36:43.519 --> 00:36:46.880 but having been up to, that or completely welcome to us. Thank 422 00:36:47.920 --> 00:36:52.400 you very much. Is it clear that we can all write? It is 423 00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:59.119 clear that we can all, with luck and vocation, devote ourselves to the 424 00:36:59.119 --> 00:37:04.599 craft of writing. But last I think that not only can we, but 425 00:37:04.760 --> 00:37:08.480 we must write. Writing is the best therapy we have at hand. 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