1 00:00:16,519 --> 00:00:20,960 Hello, Welcome to this Week in the Atlantic Coast Conference, the podcast for 2 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:26,000 All Sports Discussion dot com. This is Jeff, one of your podcast co 3 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:32,840 hosts, and you can follow me on Twitter at Talkin' ACC Sports. That's 4 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:38,719 at Talkin' ACC Sports t A l K I N A c C Sports. 5 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:46,000 Your podcast moderator is Matthew and you can follow Matthew on Twitter or x whatever 6 00:00:46,039 --> 00:00:51,759 they're calling it these days at ASD Underscore, Hoky Smash. I'm going to 7 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:56,439 turn it over to Matthew now as we get into this week in the ACC. 8 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:02,000 Thank you, Jeff. Thank you Jeff. And this is the longest 9 00:01:02,119 --> 00:01:08,680 running independent ACC podcast in the United States. This is the All Sports Discussion 10 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:15,840 ACC podcasts. The site twitter account is at all Sports d ACC and we're 11 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:19,799 having a classic version of the podcast tonight and it is fun when we get 12 00:01:19,799 --> 00:01:27,200 a chance to do this. Jeff, tell everyone about yourself, all right, 13 00:01:27,239 --> 00:01:34,840 Matthew, Yeah, been been following ACC sports all my live. Grew 14 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:38,319 up on it, grew up on ACC basketball, which was was definitely my 15 00:01:38,719 --> 00:01:44,359 first one in sports. You know, the North Carolina tar Hills, the 16 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:53,480 duke rivalry from from way back. Ended up going to school at Georgia Tech, 17 00:01:53,159 --> 00:01:57,400 got an engineering degree and then went to graduate school at Clemson, so 18 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:02,920 I definitely have like personal ties into the a c C. And then started 19 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:08,680 up this this, the blog, Allsportsdiscussion dot Com, and the and the 20 00:02:08,719 --> 00:02:14,960 podcast with Matthew because I kind of I felt like the ACC didn't have a 21 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:19,039 voice out there, you know, not much on social media. You know, 22 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:25,080 there was always anti anti ACC stuff. Everything was was pro other conferences. 23 00:02:25,479 --> 00:02:29,599 So you know, kind of wanted to just bring a different voice to 24 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:32,680 ACC sports and it's been a great voice and a great run. Yeah, 25 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:38,280 this is Matthew here. You can follow me on Twitter at asd Underscore Hokies 26 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:42,919 match is Jeff said earlier, I'm a Virginia Tech alumnus. I'm a graduate 27 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:47,680 school alumnus. However, I have been going even before graduate school. I've 28 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:52,599 been going to Blacksburg since i was five years old. My uncle is a 29 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:57,840 retired professor from Virginia Tech and the College of Education, and so I've had 30 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:01,639 ties to Virginia Tech for longer than anybody can imagine. And I've seen incredible 31 00:03:01,719 --> 00:03:07,319 growth on the campus at Virginia Tech and Blacksburg. I was just I was 32 00:03:07,479 --> 00:03:12,400 just there this weekend in fact, and I just had I had a wonderful 33 00:03:12,439 --> 00:03:15,000 time, Jeff. I know, I know that I sent you the photo 34 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:17,240 on Twitter, but it was pretty It was pretty fun for me to kind 35 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:23,439 of see the Veterans Day garage changeover at r at Virginia Tech, at the 36 00:03:23,479 --> 00:03:27,280 at the at the at the War Chapel Memorial. I've never seen that on 37 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:30,960 Veterans Day before, and it was pretty pretty awesome, pretty awesome to see 38 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:36,000 that. I enjoyed. I enjoyed. I enjoyed seeing that in North Virginia. 39 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:39,000 Tech is one of the few campuses around the company around the country that 40 00:03:39,039 --> 00:03:43,080 has a core of cadets, and it was pretty pretty cool to see our 41 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:46,360 future military there. So I had. I had a fun time seeing that. 42 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:50,520 It was kind of rare. I was in blackstat Blacksburg for a non 43 00:03:50,599 --> 00:03:53,439 football game weekend, but I did get a chance to see Virginia Tech in 44 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:59,319 Ohio State Wrestle and I've if you've seen McKay Lewis, I know you've seen 45 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:05,280 him on TV before, Jeff. He is so fast live in person as 46 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:11,400 a wrestler is unbelievable, and I feel like he could be he could be 47 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:15,479 an Olympia the next time around. I'm very certain of that. I've never 48 00:04:15,599 --> 00:04:19,360 he wrestles at the one seventy eight class, and he is just the fact 49 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:24,800 he is just the fastest wrestler I've seen, and probably the fastest wrestler in 50 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:27,759 the ACC. Quite frankly, it was fun to watch. It was fun 51 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:31,959 to watch it, and I know we'll talk about men's That's best ketball later 52 00:04:32,079 --> 00:04:36,000 here in the mic because in the open mic state a segment because I got 53 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:42,439 a I got a few words about by Virginia Tech there. But before we 54 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:46,480 get to our open mic or so open microphones segment, which tends to be 55 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:51,399 one of the funnert segments on the podcast, we're going to review ACC football. 56 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:58,959 Jeff, Who was your most disappointing ACC football team in Week eleven, 57 00:04:59,079 --> 00:05:06,279 Jeff? And who who was the most impressive team? Jeff? Well, 58 00:05:06,399 --> 00:05:14,839 from from the impressive side, I'm going to start with that one. I'm 59 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:17,279 going to start with the with that one first, and I'm going to let 60 00:05:17,319 --> 00:05:21,560 you, you know, really go into detail with it. But Virginia Tech 61 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:26,399 going to Boston College and I didn't get to watch this game. I just 62 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:29,959 kind of kept up with the score and you know, Boston College had won 63 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:32,959 five games in a row. I mean, they hadn't looked dominating or anything, 64 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:35,399 but I mean this was the team that was, you know, kind 65 00:05:35,439 --> 00:05:41,639 of was looking at maybe winning seven eight regular season games, you know, 66 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:46,800 headed to a bowl, Virginia Tech trying to get bowl eligible, and just 67 00:05:46,959 --> 00:05:49,959 you know, went into Chestnut Hill wins forty eight twenty two. I know 68 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:54,560 you'll get into that game a little bit more, but you know, the 69 00:05:54,600 --> 00:06:00,360 other impressive team was you know, I have to say Clemson. They they've 70 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:04,519 seemed to have started to write the ship. From some of their early and 71 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:11,959 mid season struggles. They they found an identity of how they can win football 72 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:15,360 games. They beat Georgia Tech this past weekend forty two to twenty one, 73 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:21,279 and the score was definitely not as close as even that indicated. It was 74 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:29,439 total domination by Clemson. Their their writing, and an elite defense. And 75 00:06:29,519 --> 00:06:32,920 make no mistake, their defense is as good as any in college football. 76 00:06:33,959 --> 00:06:40,519 That is definitely a top five defensive unit. They're really good athletic deep West 77 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:46,360 Goodwin has seemed you know to be rounding you know, into form as a 78 00:06:46,399 --> 00:06:50,040 defensive coordinator, where last year he seemed to be over at whelmed at times, 79 00:06:50,079 --> 00:06:55,560 even with a talented defense, he's he's pressing the right buttons. And 80 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:59,639 they took on a Georgia Tech offense that it had a lot of success in 81 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:03,240 recent weeks running the ball. Haines King had been playing very well, and 82 00:07:03,399 --> 00:07:09,519 Georgia Tech had absolutely no answer for what Clemson was doing. Offensively. They're 83 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:14,519 still kind of limited, they can't really stretch the feel, but they they've 84 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:17,800 now taken on an identity with their offense where they're gonna run the ball first 85 00:07:18,439 --> 00:07:23,000 and see if you can stop that. And behind Phil Maffa, who had 86 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:27,360 almost another one hundred yard game just short of that, and then Will Shipley 87 00:07:27,399 --> 00:07:31,759 catching the ball. They they seem to be kind of getting it together here 88 00:07:31,759 --> 00:07:34,839 in November. You know, can't win the A c C or get into 89 00:07:34,879 --> 00:07:39,360 the playoff, but you know they can still finish the strings and strongly and 90 00:07:39,399 --> 00:07:47,680 finished finished ranks. So I was pretty impressed by Clemson. Also, you 91 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:53,560 know, if you look at the disappointing team, it's got to be Pittsburgh 92 00:07:53,680 --> 00:08:00,360 is one of the most disappointing teams of the week. Playing Syracuse in New 93 00:08:00,439 --> 00:08:05,000 York. I think Syracuse through something like eight passes the whole game. I 94 00:08:05,639 --> 00:08:13,279 gotta look at this, but you know, Garrett Schrader is compromised in this 95 00:08:13,399 --> 00:08:18,079 game. He's he doesn't appear to be full healthy and and Syracuse puts in 96 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:28,040 a tight end to to basically run basic formations and they ran for nearly four 97 00:08:28,399 --> 00:08:35,320 hundred yards against Pittsburgh. Okay, I'm looking at it now. Syracuse completed 98 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:41,519 five passes out of nine for twenty one yards, and in the second half 99 00:08:41,919 --> 00:08:46,840 they dominated this game Pittsburgh. This is kind of stunning because they want of 100 00:08:46,879 --> 00:08:52,639 the ACC's better programs over the last two or three years. They won an 101 00:08:52,639 --> 00:08:56,120 ACC title a couple of years ago. Last year, we're a top twenty 102 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:58,639 five team one nine games, and you know, I think there was some 103 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:03,000 thought that, you know, they could regress a little bit this season, 104 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:07,320 but they have just the rails have come off off of their season completely. 105 00:09:07,519 --> 00:09:13,120 They have to win over Louisville, which was the one time you know, 106 00:09:13,159 --> 00:09:16,720 they played the way some thought they were capable of. But this is a 107 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:20,039 two and eight team and they're the worst team in the ACC. I'm not 108 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:26,279 sure there's any question about it anymore. You know, you watch them on 109 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:30,399 offense, I mean in their fumbling. I can remember at least two fumbles 110 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:33,799 in the game where they were completely untouched by Syracuse. You know, just 111 00:09:33,879 --> 00:09:39,559 kind of players running into each other, bad handoffs, you know, really 112 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:43,120 strange to see a Pittsburgh team this bad. You know, fill your COVID. 113 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:50,080 That experiment was was a big disaster. And you know, Syracuse running 114 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:54,960 for three point eighty two with basically a tight end playing half the time at 115 00:09:56,000 --> 00:10:01,600 quarterback and an injured Garrett Schrader. Just really ugly lost for Pittsburgh and they 116 00:10:01,639 --> 00:10:07,399 can't get out of the season fast enough. I was. I mean, 117 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:11,399 I think you're right. I was. I was impressed with Virginia. Virginia 118 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:16,600 Tech did play well. They're probably in my for my dollars, Jeff. 119 00:10:16,639 --> 00:10:20,240 I think they played. That's the best game I've seen Virginia Tech play in 120 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:26,480 quite some time. I mean, they had over six hundred yards of offense. 121 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:33,720 Ron Drowans looks like he could you know he was playing if he played. 122 00:10:33,759 --> 00:10:37,600 If he plays like that, Jeff, the rest of the season, 123 00:10:37,639 --> 00:10:41,519 he's certainly going to get some votes for a team All ICC quarterback. I 124 00:10:41,519 --> 00:10:46,639 mean, he's certainly changed the forwards fortunes of Virginia of Virginia Tech. And 125 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:50,519 he was, he was he's the lead, he's the he's playing as a 126 00:10:50,639 --> 00:10:54,080 leader on that team. But I mean, the difference I think that you 127 00:10:54,159 --> 00:10:58,519 see, but at least between this year's team and last year's Virginia Tech team 128 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:05,279 is that they're targets all over the field at wide receiver, at running back, 129 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:09,440 at quarterback. I mean, you the offense is the offense is starting 130 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:13,480 to you know, take a turn. You'd let you think that they're probably 131 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:16,600 going to go to the portal and get some more guys with the defensive line 132 00:11:16,639 --> 00:11:20,720 an offensive line. But there's you know, they're starting that you can see 133 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:24,360 some noticeable improvement. And I think you've you've even blogged about this, Jeff, 134 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:28,320 that you've seen some noticeable improvement in in Virginia Tech. And I think 135 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:33,720 they're and I think that I think I think the Hokies probably at least for 136 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:35,919 my you know, and I was not a homer here, but I think 137 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:41,480 for my for my money, the Hokies are the ACC team of the week. 138 00:11:41,519 --> 00:11:43,559 And I don't think that there's any any question about that. They were 139 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:48,120 firing on all cylinders. They came up there, they got a couple of 140 00:11:48,159 --> 00:11:52,080 Dore and Strong look like an All ACC corner back that day. And you 141 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:58,600 know, Jeff, Virginia Tech always seems to find some All a CC defensive 142 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:03,759 corner back or defensive back and somebody that finds their way into the NFL. 143 00:12:03,799 --> 00:12:07,399 And then maybe Dorian Strong this year. He's playing at a very high level 144 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:11,799 right now, you know. And I think that they learned. I think 145 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:16,600 BC learned that they're probably going to be not passing the ball very much the 146 00:12:16,639 --> 00:12:18,759 rest of the season. Yeah, it was sort of It was sort of 147 00:12:18,759 --> 00:12:22,559 funny because I don't did how much of that game? Did you watch, 148 00:12:22,639 --> 00:12:26,399 Jeff a little bit any bit? How much did you watch? No, 149 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:30,440 I wasn't. I wasn't able to watch it. I just kept up with 150 00:12:30,519 --> 00:12:35,399 the box scores. Okay, So I mean I was a little shocked that, 151 00:12:35,919 --> 00:12:39,919 you know, because it's like it's like something I saw I saw half 152 00:12:41,039 --> 00:12:45,360 halfway do something that Justin Fronte would do. It's like you they went away 153 00:12:45,399 --> 00:12:50,360 from the running attack when it was working and somehow decided, well, let's 154 00:12:50,399 --> 00:12:56,519 go and pass instead. And twice two times in a row, they did 155 00:12:56,519 --> 00:13:00,399 this. The BC quarterback does this, and he gets picked off off on 156 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:05,159 two different possessions, like almost back to back from Dorian Strong, and I 157 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:09,440 was like, what is Halfley doing here? You've been running for like, 158 00:13:09,639 --> 00:13:13,559 you know, you ran your first drive, you basically ran down the field 159 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:20,440 without throwing a pass, and you're deciding to go into your bag of tricks 160 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:24,639 and pass And I was kind of floored by it because I thought it was 161 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:30,159 a bad coaching decision for him to do that. I mean, as a 162 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:35,399 fan for Virginia Tech, I welcome bad decisions, right, but I was 163 00:13:35,639 --> 00:13:41,679 I was floored by I was floored that he did that. And then after 164 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:45,039 you know, after that, after that then, I mean, it was 165 00:13:45,519 --> 00:13:48,759 really one of the more balls he plays I've seen this year in the ACC. 166 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:52,600 I mean, Virginia Tech is up a couple of scores and all of 167 00:13:52,639 --> 00:14:01,440 a sudden, Pride is on side kick and Virginia Tech gets it, and 168 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:03,200 I mean, and it was I mean, it was perfect, Jeff, 169 00:14:05,039 --> 00:14:09,480 I've never it reminded me of Frank Biemer. Honestly, it reminded me of 170 00:14:09,519 --> 00:14:13,000 Frank Biember. I'm like, you're doing this on the road and you're throwing 171 00:14:13,159 --> 00:14:18,039 rolling the dice and I'm like, it just totally it totally changed the dynamic 172 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:22,519 of that first half because they went down the field and scored right away because 173 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:28,440 BC's defense provided absolutely no resist, no resistance whatsoever. And by that time, 174 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:31,000 it was twenty four to seven, and I'm thinking, Oh my gosh, 175 00:14:31,039 --> 00:14:33,440 they're gonna run these guys out of the stadium. I'm sitting in Blacksburg 176 00:14:33,519 --> 00:14:37,279 with my uncle and aunt watched this game and we're all yelling at the TV. 177 00:14:37,399 --> 00:14:41,200 Oh, yelling at the TV. And then I'm buzzing down to Sharky's 178 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:45,320 to get this Beisenberger to bring it back for everybody to watch, because it's 179 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:48,919 the best, the second or third best Bisenberger I've had in my life comes 180 00:14:48,919 --> 00:14:52,360 from Sharki's in Blacksburg, which is is kind of cool and kind of strange, 181 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:58,159 but it's pretty cool. So we had a game in Blacksburg watching Virginia 182 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:03,759 Tech just apps mall BC, and I haven't seen a game like that in 183 00:15:03,799 --> 00:15:09,639 a long time where it was like dominating in every every step of the way, 184 00:15:09,639 --> 00:15:13,279 and it kind of gives me hope for hope for next week. Man 185 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:20,120 s Jeff, Let's go to week twelve, friend, which ACC football game 186 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:28,360 are you looking forward to the most in week twelve. Well, yeah, 187 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:33,120 there's a couple of really you know, intriguing games here, but I'm looking 188 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:39,000 forward to the Syracuse Georgia Tech game. You know, from a personal standpoint, 189 00:15:39,879 --> 00:15:43,200 you know, even if Georgia Tech had gone into Clemson and played very 190 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:48,240 well, it was going to be a tall task to come out of Death 191 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:52,000 Valley with a victory. I mean, Clemson, even with their you know, 192 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:56,240 relative struggles the last two years, it's very difficult to win there. 193 00:15:56,759 --> 00:16:02,679 So you know, playing well was unlikely that they were gonna win there. 194 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:10,399 So now they're they're at home, hosting Syracuse with an opportunity to get Bowl 195 00:16:10,399 --> 00:16:15,960 eligible. And and you know, it's been five years, twenty eighteen was 196 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:19,600 the last time Georgia Tech went bowling, and you know, this is the 197 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:23,720 game that they have to win. You know, let us be honest with 198 00:16:23,759 --> 00:16:29,320 Georgia the next week, and you know, Georgia is you know, they're 199 00:16:29,399 --> 00:16:33,279 rounding into playoff form like they've done the last couple of years, and they're 200 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:40,279 just steamrolling opponent. They annihilated an Ole miss team this weekend, you know 201 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:42,600 that came into that game like eight and eight and one or nine and one 202 00:16:42,679 --> 00:16:47,000 and just annihilated them, and you know, Georgia Tech's just not equipped to 203 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:51,200 beat a team like that right now unless just something, you know, completely 204 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:55,759 bizarre happens. So, you know, if you really want to show progress 205 00:16:55,799 --> 00:16:57,879 in your program, and upsets are great, you know, beating Miami in 206 00:16:57,879 --> 00:17:03,720 North Carolina, you know, you know, got got the attention of a 207 00:17:03,759 --> 00:17:07,680 lot of people, but you've got to get to the postseason if you really 208 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:11,440 want to show progress. For Brent Key, and you know, they get 209 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:15,839 Syracuse, it's an opportunity. They're favored in the game. It's going to 210 00:17:15,839 --> 00:17:21,440 be really interesting. The way Syracuse ran the ball so well against Pittsburgh. 211 00:17:21,519 --> 00:17:26,079 Georgia Tech, you know, might have arguably the worst rushing defense, not 212 00:17:26,279 --> 00:17:30,039 just in the ACC, but in the entire country. There's one team that's 213 00:17:30,079 --> 00:17:34,680 worse statistically against the run in college football. Maybe it was North Texas or 214 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:38,480 something, but it's like Georgia Tech is one twenty nine out of one thirty. 215 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:45,920 So you know, from that standpoint, it's going to be an intriguing 216 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:48,680 game, an extremely important one, I would say for Georgia Tech. Syracuse 217 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:53,480 also trying to get Bowl eligible, but they have an opportunity at home against 218 00:17:53,599 --> 00:17:59,720 a wake Forest team that is simply just not very good this year. So 219 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:03,160 you know, for Syracuse it's not a matter of a must win. It'd 220 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:07,359 be a nice to win, but they'll get another opportunity the following week against 221 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:15,799 wake Forest. Another game that I'm looking forward to is North Carolina and Clemson. 222 00:18:15,599 --> 00:18:22,039 See the top five offense of North Carolina playing the top ten defense of 223 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:30,599 Clemson is going to be a really a tremendous matchup there, seeing that loaded 224 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:37,079 offense with NFL islan across the board, a future pro at quarterback versus the 225 00:18:37,079 --> 00:18:41,759 Clemson defense that's dotted with with NFL talent across a roster. So that's going 226 00:18:41,799 --> 00:18:47,119 to be a really intriguing game. And then the other I mean, I 227 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:49,200 know you'll get into maybe a couple of these other ones or have your thoughts 228 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:55,000 on the Clemson, North Carolina, Georgia Tech Syracuse game. But the other 229 00:18:55,039 --> 00:19:00,440 one I'm looking forward to is I really want to see Louisville performs at Miami. 230 00:19:00,559 --> 00:19:07,160 You know, Louisville, you know, had the fantastic effort against Notre 231 00:19:07,279 --> 00:19:11,880 Dame, but there haven't been too many They did play well against Boston College 232 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:15,079 and they've eaten some of the inferior teams, but you know, they still 233 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:21,599 have an outside chance to college football playoff. At nine and one, I 234 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:25,680 mean, they go into Miami, win their tenth game, a reeling Miami 235 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:33,680 team that's lost their last two games, just had an injury to their quarterback 236 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:38,279 Williams Tyler van Dyke back in there. And Louisville. You know, now 237 00:19:38,319 --> 00:19:45,079 taking this on the road, they've been great at Cardinals Stadium, but on 238 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:48,880 the road they've they've been more vulnerable. They go into Miami, get Kentucky 239 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:53,240 at home. I mean, they can get to the ACC Championship game eleven 240 00:19:53,279 --> 00:20:00,000 to one and still have an outside chance of reaching the playoff. I would 241 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:03,880 say it's a great chance, but they have an outside chance and just really 242 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:07,640 having a special season. So we know Miami's talented, that they don't always 243 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:12,480 play up to their potential. Crystal bauld has made some bizarre coaching decisions, 244 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:17,559 we'll say at best, but that's a really intriguing game in my opinion too. 245 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:23,039 Jeff, here's my question for you. NC State goes to Virginia Tech. 246 00:20:25,079 --> 00:20:30,079 Which NC State team and which Virginia Tech team is going to show up? 247 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:34,440 Right now, Virginia Tech is favored by three points, and I think 248 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:45,599 that that's fair basically because Jeff Brendan Armstrong hasn't had a very successful visit in 249 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:55,480 Blacksburg. Yeah, this is that is a really interesting game because I think 250 00:20:55,519 --> 00:21:00,839 we know we know who NC State is and who they are now. You 251 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:04,319 know, they got great defense there with Peyton Wilson, you know, the 252 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:11,119 All American linebacker. We know they're limited on the offensive side of the ball. 253 00:21:11,279 --> 00:21:15,680 They had the weird situation last week with m J. Morris, the 254 00:21:15,759 --> 00:21:19,519 quarterback of the of the previous four games. I think, but they're you 255 00:21:19,519 --> 00:21:25,559 know, they're starting quarterback, you know, calling it quits on the season, 256 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:27,599 you know, and depending on your point of view, to save his 257 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:36,599 red for shirt or to transfer or whatever whatever his reasons were. You know, 258 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:40,680 Brendan Armstrong was called back into action, and you know, they took 259 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:45,319 care of Wake Forest this past weekend. But I think Virginia Tech is a 260 00:21:45,319 --> 00:21:52,640 different animal and going into Blacksburg with drones, Like you said, he's playing 261 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:57,160 well against that defense, Virginia Tech with some momentum, and so he stayed 262 00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:02,880 with some momentum. I think that's a very under under the radar game that 263 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:07,160 could turn out to be really good, and so because I asked Ralph Ralph 264 00:22:07,279 --> 00:22:12,519 Russo to pick both. He in his in his weekly Picks Colin Jeff he 265 00:22:12,599 --> 00:22:18,240 has he has a segment where he says, give me two unranked five hundred 266 00:22:18,319 --> 00:22:21,920 teams for my picks, and I gave him both of both the techs. 267 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:26,640 I gave him NC State in Virginia Tech and Syracuse and Georgia Tech because they're 268 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:29,759 both the most you know, both teams have a lot on the line this 269 00:22:29,839 --> 00:22:32,920 week, you know, in terms of you know, getting I mean that's 270 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:37,319 three of four teams there. Then I mentioned that you know, have something 271 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:44,200 online to get to it. Yeah, exactly, And you know, Virginia 272 00:22:44,279 --> 00:22:47,400 Tech's got a play. You know, if they don't beat n C State, 273 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,400 they got to play Virginia the next week. And I think almost every 274 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:55,440 one of us can agree. You know that Virginia is a is a team 275 00:22:55,519 --> 00:22:59,279 that's better than their record. I mean, they've been in every single ACC 276 00:22:59,519 --> 00:23:03,920 game except for the blowout loss to Georgia Tech. And you know, they've 277 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:07,680 just been a really a really hard luck team. And you look at the 278 00:23:08,519 --> 00:23:14,240 you know, you look at Virginia and their two and eight record is not 279 00:23:14,279 --> 00:23:18,319 the same as Pittsburgh's two and eight. You know, Pittsburgh is a train 280 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:23,359 wreck offensively, playing poorly and looking for answers. Virginia Tech is a two 281 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:27,559 and eight team that's played pretty well, has a win over North Carolina, 282 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:33,880 had an opportunity to beat Miami, Okay, then the you know, then 283 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:37,920 then then the blowout to Georgia Tech. But then goes on the road at 284 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:41,240 Louisville, you know, and at one point, you know, had a 285 00:23:41,319 --> 00:23:45,759 lead late in the third quarter of that game twenty one fourteen, And we've 286 00:23:45,759 --> 00:23:49,680 talked about Louisville being so great at home and Virginia had them on the ropes 287 00:23:51,279 --> 00:23:56,400 before Louisville made you know, made their comeback. So you know, like 288 00:23:56,440 --> 00:24:00,640 you said, you've got Georgia Tech five and five, try to get Bowl 289 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,240 eligible. Basically, they have to beat Syracuse if they're going to do it. 290 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:10,480 Syracuse trying to get Bowl eligible, you know, still with the opportunity 291 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:14,680 against Wake Forest the next week, but I don't think anyone can say that's 292 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:19,200 a guarantee. And then Virginia Tech trying to get Bowl eligible, you know, 293 00:24:19,279 --> 00:24:26,599 trying to win one more between NC State and and Virginia So when you 294 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:30,880 have that opportunity to try to get that sixth win, you got to take 295 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:34,440 it and not you know, not get to that final game of the season 296 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,440 trying to play for that. So, like you said that, that makes 297 00:24:37,759 --> 00:24:44,079 for a lot of interesting football and very meaningful football for these teams to try 298 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:48,640 to get Bowl eligible, especially you know, Syracuse trying to save Dino Baber's 299 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:52,319 job. Virginia Tech and Georgia Tech in similar situations, trying to show that 300 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:59,200 they're you know, progressing between coaches who are in there, you know, 301 00:24:59,319 --> 00:25:02,759 second season at their schools. Were Brent Key, you know, interim last 302 00:25:02,839 --> 00:25:06,160 year, but you know it is his second year at Georgia Tech, and 303 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:11,240 like Brent Pryce, trying to show progress. I like Virginia Texas chance, 304 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:19,039 Virginia Tech chances against Brendan arms Jeff, I do. Yeah, he definitely 305 00:25:19,039 --> 00:25:25,839 hasn't been the Brennan Armstrong of two years ago. And you know, he 306 00:25:26,079 --> 00:25:30,799 played okay against Wake Forest. He had two hundred yards of total offense. 307 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:34,680 But I mean NC State is not going to light it up. They're just 308 00:25:34,759 --> 00:25:37,960 not. They're going to be ball control and they're going to try to ride 309 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:42,400 that defense. Brennan Armstrong has never lit it up against Virginia Tech. Jeff, 310 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:49,440 mm hmm, okay, so that's true. I mean it. I'll 311 00:25:49,519 --> 00:25:57,119 like of it's really the pass to the offensive lineman. Jeff. Oh yeah, 312 00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:02,799 I remember that. That was that was really suthing. That's one of 313 00:26:02,839 --> 00:26:07,519 the worst offensive play calls in the history of the ACC, Jeff. Jeff, 314 00:26:07,559 --> 00:26:11,440 I'm going to start this first first this time because I mentioned a few 315 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:17,720 weeks ago here we're going to transition to outside the ACC national college football. 316 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:22,079 I mentioned to you a couple of weeks ago that you know I was and 317 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:26,519 I've been very consistent about this. I've been very high on Washington every week 318 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:32,119 because they always seem to find a way to make plays to win. But 319 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,200 I think it may come to an end this week, Jeff, because they're 320 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,440 going on the road this week to Oregon State. And I mentioned to you 321 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:42,319 on Twitter that weird things seem that where things seem to happen in Corvallis, 322 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:48,720 Right, Corvallis is a really tough place to play. The stadium is loud, 323 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,519 or the fans are right on you. I've been to it before. 324 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:56,000 I've been to that stadium before. They have a really good quarterback in dj 325 00:26:56,119 --> 00:27:02,480 On Galle, who's playing just outstanding football. He's playing outstanding football right now. 326 00:27:02,759 --> 00:27:06,000 He has a very he has a I think personally he has a better 327 00:27:06,039 --> 00:27:10,519 surround a better surrounding supporting cast that he had at Clemson in some of the 328 00:27:10,559 --> 00:27:15,200 skill positions. I think Oregon State is It's it's kind of interesting the way 329 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,920 this works out, Jeff. But Washington is playing the two teams that got 330 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:25,039 left out of college football realignment from the PAC twelve over the next two weeks. 331 00:27:25,079 --> 00:27:27,480 They're playing Oregon State this week and they're playing Washington State next week. 332 00:27:29,519 --> 00:27:33,240 I believe Oregon State's gonna want to have a piece of Washington this week, 333 00:27:33,279 --> 00:27:36,720 and I feel I feel like they're really going to want to feel like they 334 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:40,960 ended it because they're gonna be kind of pissed that they got left behind. 335 00:27:41,799 --> 00:27:44,599 I mean, and not that I'm not that I'm trying, not that I'm 336 00:27:44,599 --> 00:27:48,200 counting Washington out, but I think if it comes to an end this week, 337 00:27:48,279 --> 00:27:51,920 it comes to an end this week in Corvallis, because Washington is not 338 00:27:52,039 --> 00:27:56,160 going to lose the Apple Cup in Seattle. So if you're looking for an 339 00:27:56,359 --> 00:28:00,240 l or an upset this week, take that one. In Corvallen on Saturday 340 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,759 night. Jeff, That's that's that. But that's the game I'm certainly looking 341 00:28:03,799 --> 00:28:08,920 forward to the most here outside the ACC in week twelve. The floor is 342 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:18,720 yours. Jeff. Yeah, when you when you when you look across the 343 00:28:18,759 --> 00:28:26,079 board nationally, I mean that that's one that I'm definitely gonna gonna keep an 344 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,640 eye on and and really looking forward to. I mean, the PAC twelve 345 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,319 has just been you know, a ton of fun this year. I mean, 346 00:28:32,319 --> 00:28:37,240 I would say outside of ACC football, I haven't watched a conference across 347 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:42,000 the country anymore than the PAC twelve. So I mean, I definitely could 348 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:52,000 see an upset in Corvallis between Washington and Oregon State. But I mean it's 349 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:56,359 you know, when you have a quarterback like like Panix, and I think 350 00:28:56,559 --> 00:29:02,640 Washington and Florida State are really similar in that, you know, both have 351 00:29:02,759 --> 00:29:07,759 great quarterbacks, they have offensive weapons, you know, maybe a little bit 352 00:29:07,839 --> 00:29:11,279 to be desired on the defensive side of the ball. I mean, there's 353 00:29:11,279 --> 00:29:17,519 certainly you wouldn't put Florida State and Washington defensively in the class of a Michigan 354 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:22,400 or an Ohio State. You know, on the offensive side of the ball 355 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:29,160 though they're as good as either either one of them because of the quarterbacks. 356 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:33,079 And you never feel panicked when you when you see when you see Washington fall 357 00:29:33,119 --> 00:29:37,359 behind by seven or ten points, there's no panic because you know that Panics 358 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:41,319 is going to be capable of marching them down the field, the same way 359 00:29:41,359 --> 00:29:45,279 with Jordan Travis. But like you said, there's gonna be a ton of 360 00:29:45,319 --> 00:29:52,440 emotion in that Oregon State game, frustration at being left behind. I'm gonna 361 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:56,759 go against you, and I think Washington I don't think they lose until they 362 00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:02,559 face Oregon again. I think Agon might might get them if they meet in 363 00:30:02,599 --> 00:30:07,519 the Pac twelve champion ship, but I think Washington comes out of there with 364 00:30:07,559 --> 00:30:15,279 a win. You look across the country and and the schedule is pretty pretty 365 00:30:15,359 --> 00:30:19,160 thin, to be honest. I know, Georgia goes to Tennessee, which 366 00:30:19,279 --> 00:30:23,200 you know, we'll have our attention for a little while, but it doesn't 367 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:29,599 appear that Tennessee would be capable of knocking off Georgia. Georgia's rounding, you 368 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,480 know, like we said earlier in the podcast, they seem to be rounding 369 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:36,519 in the form Tennessee's you know, just coming off a blowout lost to Missouri. 370 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:41,799 Been kind of a disappointing team this season. I know, earlier in 371 00:30:41,799 --> 00:30:44,599 the year people were talking about, Oh, Georgia's got to go to Tennessee 372 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,599 and Knoxville. That's going to be, you know, such a dangerous game, 373 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:52,039 and you know there might be some emotion that keeps it close for a 374 00:30:52,119 --> 00:30:55,880 half, but I'm not I don't really envision Tennessee being able to win that 375 00:30:55,960 --> 00:31:00,279 game. And you know, look across the rest of the country, just 376 00:31:00,039 --> 00:31:04,319 not a lot of interesting games. Michigan going to Maryland, but Maryland, 377 00:31:04,359 --> 00:31:10,480 no, they're not very good, and you know they're gonna have to play 378 00:31:10,519 --> 00:31:14,720 out of their minds too to keep that one close. So you look across 379 00:31:14,799 --> 00:31:22,359 the country and it really is that Washington Oregon state game that should have everybody's 380 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:26,559 attention across the country. I mean, I you know, I I still 381 00:31:26,599 --> 00:31:30,319 think Washington can win. But that's my you know, that's my candidate for 382 00:31:30,359 --> 00:31:33,920 an upset if if it does happen, that's that's where that's where I think 383 00:31:33,039 --> 00:31:40,000 Washington will slip up worse or they will slip up because they're gonna be loud 384 00:31:40,119 --> 00:31:42,000 and they're gonna be crazy in that state. They're gonna be loud and crazy 385 00:31:42,039 --> 00:31:45,759 in that stadium, but I had I've been a Poenix fan all year, 386 00:31:45,839 --> 00:31:51,960 all year. I think what I thought was intriguing here was that both Kansas 387 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:56,400 teams are ranked going into this matchup this week. Both Kansas State and Kansas 388 00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:00,599 say. I'm not even sure the last time is I can remember that happened? 389 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:06,799 Jeff, Yeah, I'm not sure I do. Uh, we'll see 390 00:32:06,799 --> 00:32:12,200 if Kansas stays. Is Kansas still ranked after well, they always look after 391 00:32:12,279 --> 00:32:15,119 Tuesday, but they kind of took it on the chin this weekend the Texas 392 00:32:15,119 --> 00:32:19,000 Tech. I think they may not be. I'll have to check that. 393 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,480 I was looking at Yahoo. Probably maybe they did, wasn't updated yet, 394 00:32:22,519 --> 00:32:25,400 because that's what I'm looking at right now, so maybe they maybe they didn't, 395 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:30,319 maybe that maybe maybe that article came out after my road trip. But 396 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,960 Yahoo probably updates this the day after. And I think that's probably what I'm 397 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,240 mooking, probably what I'm looking at right now. I know we've got what 398 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:44,200 is it, but I know Kansas State moved back in. Yep, they 399 00:32:44,279 --> 00:32:49,279 moved. They moved back in. But I guess we'll have to But still, 400 00:32:49,319 --> 00:32:52,519 you know that that's not often you see a Kansas Kansas State team between 401 00:32:53,039 --> 00:32:58,720 two seven plus win teams at this point in the season, that should be 402 00:32:58,759 --> 00:33:02,039 a pretty entertaining game. I mean, Kansas is gonna want to Kansas State 403 00:33:02,039 --> 00:33:06,480 don't want to run the ball, you know well want to run the ball. 404 00:33:06,559 --> 00:33:08,160 I tell you, you know, you know how it is smash mouth 405 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:15,000 football. I've started thinking in my mind, if priye ever leaves, they 406 00:33:15,039 --> 00:33:21,599 need to call up Chris Climbing because you know he would fit well in in 407 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:27,200 Blacksburg, Jeff. You know that he would fit He would be exactly what 408 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,680 they wanted in Blacksburg. So they would have to give him a call if 409 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:32,319 that, if that, if it ever happened that way. But I'm we're 410 00:33:32,359 --> 00:33:37,519 all reading for Pride to succeed, and he's he's certainly doing, he's certainly 411 00:33:37,519 --> 00:33:39,279 doing, he's certainly trying to make it try and trying to. If he 412 00:33:39,279 --> 00:33:43,559 gets to a ball this year, you know there'll be some progress to make 413 00:33:43,599 --> 00:33:45,119 on next year, just like for your guy, and just like for Brinke 414 00:33:45,279 --> 00:33:51,240 at Jeergia Tech. Jeff, my next question, my next next question, 415 00:33:51,319 --> 00:33:53,920 friend, and I think you'll enjoy this a little bit. Okay, so 416 00:33:54,400 --> 00:34:00,079 full disclosure. I was extremely tired. On Saturday, I'm the second half 417 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:07,279 of u NC A Duke and I woke up at all I saw were people 418 00:34:07,359 --> 00:34:10,800 complaining about officiating, and really Duke was not a beneficiary of a lot of 419 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:15,360 calls. And one of the real ridiculous ones was it was an interference. 420 00:34:15,559 --> 00:34:22,199 Uh, interference uh, and I interferre really an interference and not an interferen 421 00:34:22,199 --> 00:34:28,480 excuse me, an interception that was not reviewed and it was clearly an interception 422 00:34:28,599 --> 00:34:31,480 and the ACC officials really didn't look at at all. But there were several 423 00:34:32,079 --> 00:34:37,880 candidates in that game that were that that quite frankly, Duke did not didn't 424 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:43,519 get didn't get the benefit of doubt. For I'm wondering what you think of 425 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,960 ACC officiating lately, Jeff, because I mean a lot of it. You 426 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:51,400 see that, you know, ACC officials hashtaggs and blah blah blah. But 427 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,119 it looked particularly grageous from some some of the tweets and some of the videos 428 00:34:55,119 --> 00:35:00,679 I saw yesterday. And in favor of h yeah, you know, in 429 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:04,159 favor of favor of UNC, and I did talk with one of my UNC 430 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,320 friends. I said a time, I mean, and we all agree with 431 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,239 this sometimes it's better to be lucky than to be good, right, You'd 432 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:13,199 rather take a luck every time because Lady Luckle can get you a game or 433 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:17,000 two. But it seemed to me that that there was really quite a few 434 00:35:17,039 --> 00:35:25,199 things that could be sent to the League Officials office here. Yeah, I 435 00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:34,440 mean, my thought on ACC officiating is when you get outside of the ACC 436 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:39,639 it's bad across the country. I mean, I have not I'm not gonna 437 00:35:39,639 --> 00:35:45,440 sit here and say AC officiating is good, because it's not. But when 438 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:50,880 I watch football across the rest of the country, it's pretty bad too. 439 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,840 I Mean, they are controversial calls in every game that can decide games. 440 00:35:55,280 --> 00:36:00,840 You know, at the Alabama LSU game a couple of weeks ago, they 441 00:36:01,159 --> 00:36:07,840 LSU fans were going berserk on some of the calls, and you know, 442 00:36:09,119 --> 00:36:13,440 it's bad across the country. But when you look at what happens some of 443 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,440 the stuff that happened in the in the UNC Dude game, I'm going to 444 00:36:16,519 --> 00:36:22,480 disagree with you a little bit, Matthew on the interception. I do think 445 00:36:22,519 --> 00:36:24,119 they should have reviewed it. Now, that was bizarre. I don't understand 446 00:36:24,159 --> 00:36:29,159 why they didn't review it, but I guess I don't think it was so 447 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,840 clear cut that it was an interception, because when they did show the replay, 448 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:40,559 it looked like to me that the North Carolina player might have been on 449 00:36:40,599 --> 00:36:45,719 the ground already from from his rear. So I don't think it was a 450 00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:50,960 clear cut interception, but I thought there was enough there they should have reviewed 451 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:55,559 it. Okay, that that I don't understand. I don't understand why they 452 00:36:55,559 --> 00:37:04,320 didn't review it. And then the other the other play, I mean, 453 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:09,840 unfortunately, that wasn't the only officiating that was controversial in that game. The 454 00:37:10,039 --> 00:37:15,280 other one where it did look Now this for North Carolina, when they scored 455 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:22,480 on the two point conversion, the announcer said there was an ineligible lineman downfield, 456 00:37:22,519 --> 00:37:27,119 an ineligible player downfield, and should have negated the play. When you 457 00:37:27,159 --> 00:37:30,920 do see the replay on that, it did look like one of the linemen 458 00:37:30,079 --> 00:37:35,840 was beyond the line of scrimmage and wasn't engaged in a block. They probably 459 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:40,559 should have thrown the flag on that one. But I've kind of gotten to 460 00:37:40,599 --> 00:37:47,639 the point where you're gonna get bad calls just just expected, and to me, 461 00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:58,719 the number of officiating calls that really decide the game or a lot fewer 462 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,880 than people will admit, because you know, if you're watching the game, 463 00:38:04,639 --> 00:38:12,800 there were a lot of North Carolina fans griping about the officiaty too. But 464 00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,760 you know, it's never a good look when the officiating gets controversial at the 465 00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:22,239 end of a game for a conference. So on those two calls, I'm 466 00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,639 not so sure it was. For me, it was not so conclusive that 467 00:38:25,679 --> 00:38:30,880 it was an interception. But on the other one where it was the ineligible 468 00:38:30,039 --> 00:38:36,480 receiver down field, that did look like there was a receiver down field, 469 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,280 And you know, I don't know what you do to fix it, because 470 00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:43,920 it's wait till bowl season. You'll see the officials from across the country. 471 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,199 When you start watching these bowl games, there's going to be some horrendous calls, 472 00:38:46,639 --> 00:38:50,320 you know, coming out of officials from the Big twelve and the Big 473 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,519 Ten and the SEC. And you know, the PAC twelve has a similar 474 00:38:53,559 --> 00:39:00,679 reputation to the ACC when it comes to officiating, so I wouldn't expect it 475 00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:05,400 to be any better when the bowl seasons starts, or if you're watching football 476 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,639 around the country. Fair enough, Jeff, I want to go back to 477 00:39:08,679 --> 00:39:17,000 one part of our seven week twelve ACC who is the most likely to be 478 00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:21,639 upset this week, this week, in week twelve, I want to go 479 00:39:21,679 --> 00:39:23,840 back to go back to our schedule. I think we missed that topic. 480 00:39:28,199 --> 00:39:37,239 Yeah, if there's I'm pulling, I'm looking at Duke and Virginia. This 481 00:39:37,519 --> 00:39:44,960 feels like a trap game, you know, for Duke going up to Charlottesville. 482 00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:52,199 I mean, there's been so much hard luck for Virginia this season on 483 00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,840 their two and eight. They've been in every single ACC game that we said 484 00:39:55,440 --> 00:40:01,199 but one. You know, they were in it with Louisville again. You 485 00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:07,639 know, they have another emotional game. Paris Jones gets hurt in the game, 486 00:40:07,199 --> 00:40:12,760 carted off the field. I mean, he had spine surgery this week 487 00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,960 and thankfully you know, his extremities are moving. But when it happened, 488 00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:23,119 I mean, it was just another emotional gut punch for for the who's and 489 00:40:24,039 --> 00:40:29,760 Duke coming off that emotional game with North Carolina, where if you're a Duke 490 00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:34,440 fan, oh you're a you're a I rate it the officiating. Uh you 491 00:40:34,519 --> 00:40:38,280 had Elco going off on the officiating. You play such an emotional game with 492 00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:44,039 North Carolina and come on the wrong end of the stick and a two overtime 493 00:40:44,119 --> 00:40:45,920 loss. I mean, how much are they going to have in the tank 494 00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:55,280 against Virginia. I think that that game is ripe for a possible upset. 495 00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:59,960 And then the other one I think you have to keep an eye on is 496 00:41:00,079 --> 00:41:07,400 certainly Louisville and Miami. You know, Louisville taking the show on the road 497 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:12,920 with with expectations they certainly weren't expected to be playing with this season. And 498 00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,880 and Miami, you know, starting out of the year four and oh lost 499 00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:20,000 for the last six. I mean, they're they're gonna look for something to 500 00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,880 try to be, you know, kind of salvage this season. So Louisville 501 00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:28,360 is gonna have to be on there on their toes. I mean, you 502 00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:32,159 know, they're They're not They're not like a Georgia who can just overwhelm teams 503 00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:36,320 with with their talent. They have to play smart and they have to play 504 00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:42,079 well, especially against a Miami team that's you know, you you may be 505 00:41:42,159 --> 00:41:46,079 able to argue is more top to bottom talented team or at least as talented 506 00:41:46,079 --> 00:41:53,880 as Louisville. Uh So, Louisville wants to keep their their fringe playoff hopes 507 00:41:53,920 --> 00:42:00,039 alive. They want to you know, lock up their ACC championship hip game. 508 00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:07,039 I think there's still a mathematical way that they have they locked it up. 509 00:42:07,519 --> 00:42:10,880 I'm not quite clear on that. I think there's still a mathematical way 510 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:15,119 for someone else to appear in. There is there, there is Indeed, 511 00:42:15,199 --> 00:42:19,679 Virginia Tech can still get in. Yeah, so you know, Louisville's has 512 00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:23,519 a lot to play for now. They've they've got expectations. Each week the 513 00:42:23,559 --> 00:42:28,039 stakes get a little bit higher for Louisville. So that's another one to keep 514 00:42:28,079 --> 00:42:32,679 an eye on as they head down to Miami and Coral Gables. In that 515 00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:37,880 one, you know, I was surprised that they that they made Virginia Tech 516 00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:39,679 that favored, you know, and because I was going to say that, 517 00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:45,719 but then you know they're they're favored by three points. So I and I 518 00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:50,280 then part of says, don't be surprised by that because Brennan Arrank's never been 519 00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:54,719 successful in Blacksburg and maybe that's why the Vegas handicappers came through. But Jeff, 520 00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:59,880 I do have to be frank with you, I am surprised that Pitt 521 00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:05,480 is favored over BC. I just don't get I just don't get that. 522 00:43:05,599 --> 00:43:08,119 And maybe they're the handicappers are looking a little bit at like, Wow, 523 00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:13,400 maybe BC sucks worse than we thought we thought they did or something like that, 524 00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,639 and where we have a pillow fight between a couple of teams or something 525 00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:20,920 like that here in Pittsburgh. But I can't say I wasn't surprised to see 526 00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:30,760 Pitt favored over BC. Yeah, I mean it is surprising to basically see 527 00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:39,000 anybody in the ACC as an underdog to Pitt at the moment. All right, 528 00:43:39,119 --> 00:43:46,119 Jeff open microphone time. The four is yours. Well, this past 529 00:43:46,199 --> 00:43:55,079 weekend was was really ACC in college basketball getting into full gear. You know, 530 00:43:55,199 --> 00:44:00,079 I started, I actually started watching quite a bit from me when college 531 00:44:00,119 --> 00:44:05,920 basketball season starts in November. I'm not a just start watching it in January 532 00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:10,079 or March. I like to watch it a lot now. And you know, 533 00:44:10,119 --> 00:44:14,760 the ACC got out of the gate, you know, really good. 534 00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:19,280 They won their first sixteen out of conference games the start of the season. 535 00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:24,599 And then Friday came and some results went sideways, and I think you can 536 00:44:24,639 --> 00:44:30,199 already draw some early conclusions about you know, the the ACC and some of 537 00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:37,800 its teams. Louisville and you got to talk about them one point win and 538 00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:44,400 opening their opening game over over UMBC that they trailed quite a bit of that 539 00:44:44,519 --> 00:44:51,800 game, and then they come back and and lose by double digits to Oh 540 00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:57,000 my goodness, it just escaped me. Who they were, who they were 541 00:44:57,039 --> 00:45:04,360 playing. I believe that was Chattanooga. Yeah, exactly, thank you Chattanooga. 542 00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:09,559 Man. Kenny Payne is he has got to be maybe one of the 543 00:45:09,599 --> 00:45:15,440 worst hires, maybe the worst hire we've ever seen in acc basketball for a 544 00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:19,320 program like Louisville to be in this in this state and they do not look 545 00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:27,159 like they're they're any better. And Notre Dame already out of the gate with 546 00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:34,519 an ugly loss, uh today or yesterday today or yesterday to Western Carolina and 547 00:45:34,639 --> 00:45:37,679 the Mike Post Mike bray Era is off to a rough start. Those were 548 00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:42,440 those were the two you know that you're you're already looking at Louisville and Notre 549 00:45:42,519 --> 00:45:46,920 Dame are gonna, you know, head to a or it could potentially be 550 00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:52,639 in store for another really long season, especially Louisville man Mike Goodness, Uh, 551 00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:57,519 it doesn't seem like there's any hope, uh there for their basketball program 552 00:45:57,599 --> 00:46:01,440 until you know, Kenny Payne has shown the or we'll see if they can 553 00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:06,760 somehow turn it around at the other end of the at of the end of 554 00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:12,119 the spectrum, Miami, they look really strong. Two dominating wins out of 555 00:46:12,159 --> 00:46:16,920 the gate, including a Big twelve team in Central Florida. Now Duke against 556 00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:20,840 Arizona, I don't think we have to worry about. You know, Duke's 557 00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:25,440 gonna be in the tournament. They're a super talented team. But Arizona they 558 00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:32,079 exposed some things with that Duke basketball team on Friday night. Arizona rank number 559 00:46:32,079 --> 00:46:37,239 twelve. If they're eleven better basketball team country, I don't know that that 560 00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:44,840 is an outstanding basketball team. And they were very physical with with Duke and 561 00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:50,679 Cameron uh and and Duke just couldn't match their physicality. They were dominated on 562 00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:54,199 the glass by Arizona. Uh. You know, if Duke's gonna go from 563 00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:59,719 just being a good team to one that gonna win the national title, you 564 00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,440 know, you're gonna have to get a whole lot tougher because you're gonna have 565 00:47:02,519 --> 00:47:07,159 to go through, you know, Arizona type teams to win a national championship. 566 00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:13,440 And you know that's something John Shire is gonna have to see if he 567 00:47:13,519 --> 00:47:19,079 can fix before then with Duke. But still, you know, do Duke 568 00:47:19,159 --> 00:47:22,719 is gonna be one of the ACC's top teams. But whether they can you 569 00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:25,880 know, become one of the best teams in the country is going to depend 570 00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:30,920 on whether they can develop, you know, that physical toughness in the front 571 00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:37,159 court that they're gonna need to compete and beat teams like Arizona Virginia. You 572 00:47:37,159 --> 00:47:39,960 know, they got a quality win early in the season. You know, 573 00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:45,440 you never underestimate Tony Bennett. If you're doing that, you know, just 574 00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:47,760 just don't do it. They got to win over you know, a Florida 575 00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:52,000 team that many think will have a shot at an NCAA at Large bid. 576 00:47:52,639 --> 00:47:59,280 Uh. And then Clemson today, uh, the first ACC team so far 577 00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:04,920 in the season to win a preseason one of the preseason tournaments, knocking off 578 00:48:05,039 --> 00:48:08,639 Davidson UH and UAB over the weekend. And you're gonna most people are gonna 579 00:48:08,639 --> 00:48:10,840 look at that and say, oh, they beat U A B and UH. 580 00:48:12,599 --> 00:48:15,800 You know Davidson, you know, big deal. Well, the other 581 00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:22,159 team the team in the field was a top five, top four Big Ten 582 00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:27,719 preseason pick, Maryland. Uh. They left Asheville oh to two. Uh. 583 00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,119 So if you here, he's gonna be in my other rent. If 584 00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:34,440 if Maryland is really one of the four or five best teams in the Big 585 00:48:34,519 --> 00:48:38,079 Ten. Uh that's a four big a four bid league, you know, 586 00:48:38,159 --> 00:48:43,880 not the usual nine ten bids that the Big Ten is hands out every year. 587 00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:45,760 But if Maryland is truly one of the best teams in the Big Ten, 588 00:48:47,159 --> 00:48:54,159 that that that is going to be a down year in Big Ten basketball 589 00:48:54,519 --> 00:49:00,119 because Maryland lost both games, uh in Asheville. So good on Clemson though, 590 00:49:00,519 --> 00:49:04,960 to go up to Asheville and already pick up a tournament win early in 591 00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:12,519 the season, tournament titled So Jeff, I watched every second of that Virginia 592 00:49:12,599 --> 00:49:19,480 Tech South Carolina basketball team by the basketball game, and you know, Virginia 593 00:49:19,519 --> 00:49:23,119 Tech did not have a good first half, but you know, you can 594 00:49:23,159 --> 00:49:27,199 tell that they're missing Rodney Rice and I'm not you know a lot of people 595 00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:30,719 miss that news. But he decided to opt in the chant transfer portal, 596 00:49:30,119 --> 00:49:36,480 which I think it really put in Virginia Tech's guard depth back back a little 597 00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,039 bit because he was expected to play a major role and even in the rotation 598 00:49:39,119 --> 00:49:43,360 and probably even start, I mean, a big, physical guard. Well 599 00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:45,960 he's out. Then you've got players, you know, playing in these roles 600 00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:51,280 that they're perhaps not as accustomed to. But the thing that was shocking to 601 00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:53,760 me, Jeff, is that and this felt I mean, I know I 602 00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:59,920 tweeted you with about this. It felt like the Georgia Tech game last year 603 00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:04,920 twenty twenty three on the road all over to me, because there were times 604 00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:10,280 when I'm thinking, why is he playing this man demand defense when Virginia Tech 605 00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:15,320 isn't fast enough to play South Carolina's guards right now? Why are we doing 606 00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:20,840 this or not? They just were not as well conditioned to play that man 607 00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:27,000 demand defense against the guards against South Carolina's guards, and you know, they 608 00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:30,320 would have been in a better position to you know, to play to play 609 00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:31,599 zone. I mean, this has been happened a couple of years ago. 610 00:50:31,639 --> 00:50:37,000 If you recall when Buzz Williams guards were running around Duke like there was no 611 00:50:37,119 --> 00:50:39,360 tomorrow, you know, running around their guard, running around Duke's guards, 612 00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:44,119 and then finally Coach k had to switch to his own. And I'm thinking, 613 00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:46,639 you know, it would be helpful, you know, especially if you 614 00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:51,199 have a short rotation like Virginia Tech does, because I didn't expect to have 615 00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:54,639 a short rotation, but to perhaps throw a couple of big guys in there, 616 00:50:54,639 --> 00:50:59,480 because actually Botit and Lynn Kidd had been playing pretty well. I mean, 617 00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:02,119 I was actually I wanted to be fair and balanced about this. Virginia 618 00:51:02,159 --> 00:51:06,880 Tech's post guy has actually gave him some contributions, Jeff, And I'm I'm 619 00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:12,159 not asking for PJ. Hall type of contribution at Virginia Tech. I'm asking 620 00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:15,599 more Victor Davola, you know, somebody like that. Maybe you'll give you 621 00:51:15,639 --> 00:51:17,960 ten points, some nights, give you thirteen meters rebounds, play some tough 622 00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:22,400 defense, box people out. Don't give him a lot of second opportunities, 623 00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,280 that sort of thing. But they the post guy has played pretty well against 624 00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:30,239 South Carolina, but you know, and it was you know, and I 625 00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:34,199 don't know if it was. Let's, you know, stay with this Manda 626 00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:37,559 man. Let's stay with this Manda man. Let's stay with this Manda man. 627 00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:43,039 But they hired a guy from VCU in the off season for defensive purposes. 628 00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:47,599 And it just completely to me, the complete failure not to do not 629 00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:52,639 to at least change things up, or to recognize that this man de man 630 00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:55,400 wasn't working, and that you should try to do something, you know, 631 00:51:55,480 --> 00:52:00,239 try to do something else, and you shouldn't be so hardcore and commit to 632 00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:06,039 your ways about Mendem about mande man defense, you know, to uh, 633 00:52:06,079 --> 00:52:07,320 you know, to stay with to stay you know, to stay with it 634 00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:12,079 the entire game when when it hasn't been working. And I feel like I 635 00:52:12,119 --> 00:52:17,400 have had the same conversation with you about Brad Brunell at times. And but 636 00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:22,239 that's what I saw in that game against South Carolina, and I hope it's 637 00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:25,599 not a harbinger for the future that they say, Hey, we might actually 638 00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:29,599 have to do this, you know, to throw it, you know, 639 00:52:29,679 --> 00:52:32,880 to slow the game a little bit down, a little bit if we can't 640 00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:38,639 stop if we can't stop them their drives to the hoop. Because I I 641 00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:43,840 watched, I watched it and I was getting flashbacks Jeff, and I thought, 642 00:52:44,159 --> 00:52:46,719 don't let this happen again. You better get watched the film and figure 643 00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:57,320 it out, you know. Yeah, I mean I watched that game too, 644 00:52:58,119 --> 00:53:04,239 and hopefully, you know, South Carolina is going to be better than 645 00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:09,480 we expect. But it is kind of a concern of a red flag game 646 00:53:09,559 --> 00:53:17,480 because that South Carolina team was pretty much picked by just about every basketball prognosticator 647 00:53:17,639 --> 00:53:22,199 is the bottom team in the SEC. They were pretty bad last year. 648 00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:27,679 I think they had better players than they do. Their guards are better than 649 00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:34,760 they much better than they were last year. But my concern is more on 650 00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:38,719 on tech side with not making adjustments. Yeah, I mean that sort of 651 00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:44,320 thing, because you know, you've got to, you know, if you're 652 00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:47,719 getting blown over by the guards and if you can't guard the men demand, 653 00:53:49,679 --> 00:53:52,599 you got to switch things up to slow the game, you know, at 654 00:53:52,679 --> 00:53:57,199 least to give people different looks. And that wasn't done at all. That 655 00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:00,400 wasn't done at all, And I got a little concerned about that. And 656 00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:04,840 I'm hoping that. I mean, Mike Young's a good coach, right, 657 00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:08,039 so he should find ways to you know what I mean, don't find ways 658 00:54:08,079 --> 00:54:12,559 to change that. But if they stay with a man demand and they keep 659 00:54:12,599 --> 00:54:16,719 getting burnt, then I'm gonna have questions about that. Yeah, that's true. 660 00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:22,559 They definitely got into a game where South Carolina was dictating the tempo. 661 00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:28,400 It seemed like Virginia Tech was playing that game, you know, going uphill 662 00:54:28,519 --> 00:54:34,559 the entire game and just trying to stay with the way South Carolina was playing. 663 00:54:34,599 --> 00:54:37,920 And I think it would have made a lot of sense if if Young 664 00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:42,079 would have tried to switch things up the way you described and try to get 665 00:54:42,079 --> 00:54:45,519 that game flow, you know, into a into a way that was more 666 00:54:45,559 --> 00:54:52,119 comfortable for Virginia Tech than trying to just match up with what South Carolina was 667 00:54:52,119 --> 00:54:57,000 trying to do. Absolutely, I mean because I and I wouldn't mind actually 668 00:54:57,079 --> 00:55:00,480 seeing Mike Young crow in a couple of forwards, you know, at the 669 00:55:00,519 --> 00:55:05,159 same time and do that zone that I was talking about, Jeff, I 670 00:55:05,159 --> 00:55:08,280 mean, just to at least give teams a different look, a different a 671 00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:12,559 different look, because it's I mean, like I said, if you you 672 00:55:12,599 --> 00:55:15,039 know Virginia Tech already played you know last year, you followed them last couple 673 00:55:15,039 --> 00:55:20,599 of years. If they have the slowest tempo, had the slowest tempo of 674 00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:23,360 teams in NCAA Division One, I mean, they had the least possessions. 675 00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:29,239 I mean, it felt like old Tony Bennett's stuff with Mike Young and they 676 00:55:29,679 --> 00:55:32,119 they did not do that against against South Carolina. But I think that, 677 00:55:32,679 --> 00:55:37,360 you know, there's a long way to go. Hopefully that's not an RPI, 678 00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:39,280 you know, sort not even RPI, but you know, whatever the 679 00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:43,360 number, what's the what's the that's not RPI anymore, Jeff, what is 680 00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:46,559 it? What's the new thing? The net? Yes, what's the new 681 00:55:46,599 --> 00:55:51,000 thing. Can I keep forgetting that? And I mean hopefully that's not a 682 00:55:51,079 --> 00:55:53,679 net killer law, a net killer loss. I mean it's not like I 683 00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:59,840 mean, it's certainly not like losing to Chattanooga. You can recover from losing 684 00:56:00,039 --> 00:56:05,239 South Carolina versus losing to Chattanooga. Yeah, there's no question about that. 685 00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:08,880 Now. You know, one one's a red flag that there could be a 686 00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:15,519 problem, and the other is, oh, you're in huge trouble now, 687 00:56:15,599 --> 00:56:20,360 and and so yeah, I definitely would not put the losses anywhere in the 688 00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:24,000 same category. I mean, you definitely still feel like Virginia Tech has a 689 00:56:24,079 --> 00:56:30,159 chance to be pretty darn good. Uh but but South Carolina certainly exposed some 690 00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:36,199 things. But it's it's it's not like what happened to Louisville losing to Chattanooga, 691 00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:39,159 and you know they were on the ropes against u NBC two nearly lost 692 00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:45,199 that game, or or Notre Dame losing to Western Carolina. Those those are 693 00:56:45,039 --> 00:56:51,119 major, uh concerns when you see losses like that early in the season. 694 00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:54,679 So, I mean, you know, Mike Young, we've seen him do 695 00:56:55,119 --> 00:57:01,199 fantastic job coaching other years, and you know, I think he just that 696 00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:06,079 they kind of got caught up in what you described. They got caught up 697 00:57:06,119 --> 00:57:10,800 in South Carolina's tempo, and for a little while Virginia Tech, you know, 698 00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:15,440 could play it, but then South Carolina would come right back down, 699 00:57:15,519 --> 00:57:17,920 extend the you know, it would get tied and they'd extend it back out 700 00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:23,519 to four or five points. He never could get that tempo at a pace 701 00:57:23,559 --> 00:57:30,119 that I think would have been favorable to Virginia Tech. Definitely. Definitely. 702 00:57:31,599 --> 00:57:36,519 Well, Jeff, that's it for this week. I mean, next week, 703 00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:42,280 Hank Kurtz comes back here for his end of season check in with us, 704 00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:45,599 and it's always good to have him come on. He usually comes on 705 00:57:45,559 --> 00:57:50,920 the week before the Commonwealth Cup and we're work. That's that's what he's coming 706 00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:55,440 on. And Hank Kurtz and the Virginia Associated Press writer for this for the 707 00:57:55,440 --> 00:58:00,079 Commonwealth of Virginia. He doess forwards here in Virginia and he'll be on with 708 00:58:00,159 --> 00:58:02,800 us next week. Then we have Terry. Then we we're off for Thanksgiving, 709 00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:07,519 and we have Terry Johns the following week and Matt and Matt Zebk. 710 00:58:07,639 --> 00:58:13,119 I mean it's the no, sorry, let me back up. We have 711 00:58:14,159 --> 00:58:16,360 Brent from Pick six Previews then we have Terry Johnson, then we have Matt 712 00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:22,000 Semek. So we have a good schedule of folks coming up over the next 713 00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:27,719 several weeks, and hopefully we'll get your Georgia tech op Ed writer in in 714 00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:30,039 the new year. We'll we'll reach out to him again again, Jeff, 715 00:58:30,039 --> 00:58:35,800 because I enjoy having Ken Sigara on this show. Sounds good, looking forward 716 00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:40,719 to it, all right, take care of Jeff, all right, Bye,