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Welcome to Sort and Scale Rewind with
your hosts Matt Fondelier and Ian Bag.

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Hey, what's going on, everybody? Welcome back to Sort and Scale Rewind.

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I'm one of the hosts of the
show. My name is Matt Fondelier

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and I'm joined once again by a
hilarious comedian and someone who hosts another podcast,

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Enjoying Orange Slices with Jeff and Ian, which is, believe it or

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not, the fourth most popular hockey
podcast in Australia. Bag, Hello,

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everybody, I'm not from Australia.
Just because everybody hears that introduction like he

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must be from Australia. I'm not. It's just popular in Australia for no

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unknown reason. Yeah. So,
well, I think that whole country is

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still in lockdown. So they are
really hang hockey right now. There's not

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much else to do. They're not
locked own. They're just having a they

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don't want to go inside of You've
seen the side of spiders there and they're

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just like, oh my god,
stay inside people. I remember being fascinated

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by Australia as a young kid and
then reading in a travel book that's something

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like nine of the ten most dangerous
animals in the world all live in Australia.

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That's so true. Maybe it's not
gonna happen. My mom is from

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Australia, so we used to go
back and forth. So that's a long

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flight on and I'm not giving away
how old I am fifty, but back

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then the flights were even longer because
you stopped three times you stopped. And

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so we started in Terrace where I
grew up. Then we started and then

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we went to Vancouver and we on
a plane and that went to Hawaii and

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then I think we stopped in Fiji
or some like other island on the way

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and it was horrible long as a
kid because there was only one movie wall

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just on the one screen. Yes, yeah, I was thinking about that.

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Kids they just don't understand. They
don't understand. And also the headphones

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you had to wear, the little
foam a little so painful, I know,

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and it was just like it was
just hollow. It was just like

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somebody yelling into a two that also
was exactly you could never hear it.

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Yeah, I was thinking the other
day, I was walking by through a

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restaurant and I saw somebody eating by
themselves in a restaurant, which used to

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be kind of a strange, almost
sad site. But now the guy's sitting

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there with an iPad and he's watching
a movie, right, and he's like

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he's by himself, but he's just
chowing out watching a movie, like he's

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at home. And I thought,
you know, the stigma of ye out

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alone, like he should be shamed
for this, like they'll get some friends,

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should be shamed. But he's loving
it. He's living his life,

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you know, table for loser,
for losing, but not now a table

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for a movie reviewer. That's right, Maybe that's what he does. Maybe

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it was a restaurant and movie reviewer
at the same time. Wow, really

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killing two birds so good? So
much money involved in that? Well,

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hey, listener, Hey too much
fun? Too much fun? Yeah,

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we're not a lot of fun on
the show. Now. All we do

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is have fun on the show.
We talk about murder, but we try

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to make it fun and funny for
you. This is episode one hundred and

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sixty six, Oh my God,
which is as close to the Devil's number

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as we're going to get at least
for twenty more years. And know the

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way he pumps these out, Yeah, I could get there pretty soon.

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We would like happen really quick.
Yeah, just social media was okay whatever.

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By the way, Happy holidays,
Merry Christmas was coming on Christmas time.

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Oh yeah, this might even be
your Christmas present. Imagine getting up

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on Christmas morning and running to listen
to this. Yeah, unwrapping your iPhone,

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which you are you wrapped specifically for
this purpose, new headset. Yeah,

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come welcome everyone, Christmas time,
Christmas time is is here one sixty

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six. Whatever holidays you celebrate.
We're hope you're safe and happy out there.

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And yes, nothing says Christmas like
talking about murder. Right. I

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hope you've married somebody nice that hasn't
gone off and murdered somebody at work.

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Right. This episode is a complete
train wreck of an episode, not in

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the way that it's made, but
just in the story itself. The story

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is just it's it's it's kind of
come on a lot. It's kind of

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funny. It's kind of because,
first of all, the wife has become

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a cop and nothing reads cop about
her. Yeah, it's just like missing

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all the signs at home. Yeah. It does seem like a something that

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would be like in a TV movie
or something where like you're an officer and

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you don't know that your own significant
other is secretly a killer. Yeah,

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the jail at home or something like
that. Yeah on Hallmark. Now off,

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Mike, you were saying that your
experience listening to this episode was like

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a weird deja vu because you thought
you are he knew the whole story.

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Well that that that part with the
wife, I knew, So I knew.

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I know, I've heard something like
that before, So I don't know

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if we've already talked about something that
was kind of like that, but I

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remember the description. But what I
so, I thought I was listening to

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the wrong episode, so I started
it twice. But then I remember the

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first part was Mike talked about his
dog that he had forever. Yeah,

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which so I'm like, I never
knew that Mike had had a dog.

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He's known as a cat guy to
me, a duck guy to me.

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Very true, but I didn't know
he had a dog. So when he

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heard I had a dog, and
then of a sudden, I was like,

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oh my god, a dog.
Well I didn't know that, so

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I couldn't know the story because he
was yeah, so this must be new.

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So I was back to it,
and then I started and then I

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started feeling because I couldn't feel all
the pain and Mike about the dog,

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Yeah, I could feel everything about
it. So fuck you Mike for having

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such a great voice and be able
to describe that, because I could feel

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the pain. When our dog Roxy
died. Who Roxy? Uh? My

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wife found her in a ditch when
she was eighteen years old. My wife,

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not the dog, and the dog
went to Hawaii with her, went

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to college with her and was with
her, and then I came into her

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life ten years into into Roxy,
and when she died, she died in

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my arms. But I had to
get on a plane the next morning and

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go do shows and leave my wife
and my mother in law flew in and

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took over. But I could feel, I knew all that pain right there.

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I was just like, oh,
fuck you, Mike. We had

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to put our one of our cats
down last year right around this time,

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which was fucking devastated, devastated,
And we have a dog that is kind

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of a not the exact story that
you've just told, but situation is the

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same in that it's a dog that
my wife had before I was in her

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life, and I'd never had a
dog before I was. I only had

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cats growing up, So this dog
is my first dog, and he's definitely

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getting older, he's definitely got some
health issues, and we're I'm just like,

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it's gonna be fine. It's gonna
be fine. It's gonna be Oh

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it's not, it's it's gonna be
fine. You're gonna be so crushed.

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I'm sure I remember. I mean, hopefully it's still many years away.

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But who well, yeah, me
too, but still at some point.

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I remember when Roxy died, like
two weeks later. I was just walking

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down the street and one of the
neighbors said, whereas rocksy and I just

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started crying. I was just like, yeah, yeah, why do you

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dogs have to die? Fucking murdering
assholes get to like live in prison forever.

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It's so bizarre, right, so
bizarre. It's not fair, Yeah,

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should it should be just as easy
to put one of those people down.

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He's a dog. I had a
friend and I had to stop being

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friends with him because he worked at
a pound and he loved putting dogs down.

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What. Yeah, Okay, I'm
glad you're not friends with There's no

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way they actually liked that. They
he was just like, oh, it's

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Thursday. I get to kill all
the dogs. I'd like, dude,

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he lived in Denver. I was
like, I can't be friends with you

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anymore. Don't you want to live
in that same state? Yeah? Is

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his ex wife managed the club and
Denver. That's how I knew him.

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I was like, I think he
probably should break She probably didn't know he

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was a murderer, just like this
lady in the Yeah, way to bring

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it back around. I like that. I'm good by the way. I

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never met Mike's dog, but I
agree with that. I'm glad that he

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like helped connect Mike to like the
girl that he's still with. Like,

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Yeah, dogs are amazing. Dogs
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he did it, I don't care. I don't care how you feel about

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Mike. I just kissed into the
air for Ian. Did not just kiss

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me kiss the air? I didn't. I guess I just give you a

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kiss on the forehead. Um.
But the way he did it, just

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rescuing a dog and having it come
into his life and be part of it,

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and you're just giving it a better
life. Yeah, be more like

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that, people, Yeah, see
more like that than Johnny fucking dipshit.

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I'm gonna work at the college as
a security garden, and okay, I'm

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gonna stop you right, I'm gonna
stop me right here and everybody else right

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here. I don't feel like this
is that guy's only crime. Oh yeah,

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I wrote down, probably through my
notes, like there's no way this

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is the first time way, so
I looked in it. I'm like the

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fact that they didn't investigate more blew
my mind. But I'm guessing there was

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just nothing had happened like that.
I guess the only time he got caught.

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You know, we hear stories about
like abuse of power all the time.

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I'm assuming if he had tried that
shit on a college campus earlier,

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you know, minus the whole killing
part. But if he had like approached

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some student and then put them in
the backseat of the car without any cause

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or circumstance, I assume that person
would raise a fuss about it. Doesn't

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seem like the kind of environment where
he would just keep getting away with it.

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But in other contexts, who the
hell knows. Man, Well,

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if he's looking for those kind of
people at that time of night, they're

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not necessarily going to be a college
student, right, So maybe he has

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done but it hasn't been a college
student. That's why it hasn't come back

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on them. Well, the fact
we're shocked and surprised I had a good

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opinion. Excuse me, sorry about
that. You know how you're choking on

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a coffee because it didn't have any
flavor of gingerbread in seasonal. It's so

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appropriate. We were talking before the
mice heated up about gingerbread flavored Mountain dew

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Is discovered. I seen it.
I didn't discover, I just seen it.

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I just seen it on TV.
I was like, are you sir?

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No, no, thank you.
They're doing all the like holiday flavors.

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I'll take apple cider. I'll just
take apple cider. Is that you

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go to? Well, I'm just
saying it. Yeah, sure I went

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not Actually, yes, it is
my go too. Now do you like

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pumpkin flavored anything? Yeah? Oh
yeah, I'm a big proponent of the

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pumpkin flavor. I feel like it
gets way too much flack really, so

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I'm surprised you're mad about the gingerbread. Well, here's the thing. I

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don't want it in my like spiked
seltzer. I don't want right in yeah,

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yeah, my soda. Like I'll
take a cherry coke. But I

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don't need I don't need fucking pumper
nickel. You know, coke? No,

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thanks, no good, I don't
need to turn up coke. Yeah,

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enough of the flavors here. Yeah, they do get to look crazy.

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We peeked at Cherry Vanilla. It's
never gonna get better. Cherry Vanilla

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is good. Yeah, Cherry Vanilla
is fine, and then Cherry's fine.

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But then you put them together.
You're like to quote you earlier, why

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saying that he's saying there's a putty
in my mouth and everyone's coming. How

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do we get back track again and
going in for a good conversation. Ah,

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but seriously, we're talking about this
college campus, right, Dick,

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and the fact that this can't possibly
be his first time. I remember what

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I was gonna say now. In
the story, he talks about approaching the

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victim and he asks her if she's
a prostitute. I think he uses a

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much different more than that, but
asks her a if she's a prostitute,

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and be if he can pay her
for sex. The very act of asking

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those questions seems to me like something
rehearsed and practiced before. I don't think

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it's the first time he's asked it
wasn't his first place sex worker if he

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could pay them to have sex with
him. Well, also, if you

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go back to it, she kind
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Yeah, so you knew things like
that were going on. And it

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doesn't sound like he had the gift
of the gab. Whenever you got this

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guy talk, it wasn't you know. Now, we weren't convinced by his

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story and he did not have it
going on very well. Yeah was,

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And I might be skipping too far
ahead, and you can yell at me

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and tell me I've gone too far
ahead. Sure, But when they described

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the car that he had that for
the college, I was just a security

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car because he had two cars.
Yeah, I was like, what the

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you're supposed to be just showing up
and being the buffer until the cops show

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up and all the things that they
had. I was just like, what

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are they preparing for what's going on
at your college that your security guards need

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a bulletproof vest? Yeah, that
was what I was wondering too. Some

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frat party must have gotten really out
of control one time. How about the

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bumper, like they had the push
bumper on the front, Like, yeah,

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are you hitting kangaroos in the ditch? Like what's going? Like that

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doesn't make sense? Yeah, like
all those things I had on that car,

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I was just like, what the
So. I have a few friends

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that were very interested in community service
and one of them is a police officer

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now in San Diego, and the
other one he's actually an attorney now,

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but for a long time, he
was like a parole officer, and he

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had him he was in the like
the Coachella Valley area, Yeah, sort

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of very eastern Desert Ea, California, getting closer to the Arizona border.

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And this guy, my friend had
to drive around this town in like a

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cruiser and dealt with a lot of
criminals because he was like a parole officer.

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But overall, he was trying to
do the thing. And I think

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a lot of people get involved in
these community service jobs not to do the

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right thing, but because it allows
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And this guy, Edwin Laura,
seemed very content with the fact that

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he could look and pretend to be
a regular police office. Well that's the

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thing that I thought. I thought, and there's a lot of people like

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this, Like you say, he
didn't have the goods to be a cop.

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Yeah, so you're the charm.
We had to man the gift of

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the game. Yeah, but it's
just there's no way he's going to become

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a cop. So this was the
easy route to have those kind of powers.

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But I felt like they had given
them too much power. Oh.

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Absolutely, it was very, very
easily exploited, Like they do weird psychological

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tests all the time with people who
are experimenting with what happens when like the

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people are in power over other people
and it really just becomes this thing that

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you can't help but embrace in one
right, Do you feel like a security

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guard on a college campus should have
more power than a security guard at a

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target. Hm. I I feel
like I put them on the same level.

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I'd be supposed to. No,
I think you should. I think

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that person's supposed to be the buffer
and tell the actual authorities get there.

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Yeah. And I felt like too
many times we make those college or campus

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are not even the campus security guards
the actual police. Yeah, I feel

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like I'm okay with giving them a
taser. I would give them. I'd

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be willing to give these guys a
taser because you feel like they're going to

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chaste themselves mostly probably because they'll do
that. But that's about as far as

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I'm willing to go. Because if
somebody needs to be like temporarily incapacitated or

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something, I feel like one of
those little stun gun things you know,

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you know, even if you hit
the rod, I feel a big flashlight

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something you can hit somebody with.
Yeah, and that to me, it'd

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be more dangerous. You could total
clock somebody's fucking head open with a taser

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can and take somebody down, like
not tell them. Sometimes they can flip

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their heart if they got a bad
heart. Yeah, I feel like you

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can smoke a college get in the
head and he won't won't hurt him as

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much as that. This is ripe
for testing. Ian. Look, let's

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get some volunteers. If you're listening
to this, let's put us together.

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Yeah, let's do a poll.
Would you rather have me hit you with

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a taser stun gun or have Ian
clock you in the face flashlight? I

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like your to respond. Let us
know. You could follow him in a

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Twitter and Matt Bondalier and it's not
you would you rather have your kid taste?

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But ye are going to college?
Yeah? Yeah, here's the scenario

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your kid has just been granted a
fluoride scholarship at UCLA. Problem is,

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at a certain point one of the
following might happen, taste or bunked on

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the head. Yeah. Oh,
remember remember back in the day when when

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head injuries were just laughed at and
you're called cold and pussy in and get

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back up. That's rights. When
I was a kid, I played some

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team sports. Was terrible at all
of them, but the most humiliating of

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all was playing baseball because my mom
had heard stories of kids getting hit in

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the head with a baseball, and
so I was the kid who had to

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wear the helmet with the big pretentive
screen like over my face, basically like

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a catcher's mitt, even though it
was a batty helmet, which, let

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me just tell you, it's hard
enough to hit the ball when you don't

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know what you're doing, but I
can't fucking see the ball. It's also

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a huge problem when you're not strong
enough to keep that whole monthstros study up.

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Yeah, yeah, I can.
I can say that we're kind of

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along the same lines. Yeah.
When I first started playing hockey, my

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mom made sure I had a full
visor. Okay, I didn't have shin

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pads. I'm just like, all
right, mom, Yeah, to make

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a decision. Everybody I think ourselves
are not They're definitely gonna bounce them on

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my knees. Yeah, well their
mom's okay, that's their job about our

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safety. We're not drinking wine there
in charge. Yeah, that's right.

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I meant to ask you, did
you go to college. You have in

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like college campus experiences? No,
So I I went to go to college

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and stand up started and I didn't
show up. That was that was my

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thing I was going to I wanted
to be an explosives engineer. That's what

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I was going to college for.
And stand up. I tried stand up

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before I went to college, and
I'm like, nope, I'm not standing

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it because this is back in the
day when you had to stand in line

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to pick your courses. So and
most people got there much earlier than I

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didn't got all the good ones.
So uh yeah, I just I was

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just like, nah, I'm not
gonna do it. It's not gonna what's

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there, what's there that's gonna help
me? And stand up? And little

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did I think that marketing would have
been a great thing to take sure nobody

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told me, Well, listen,
I went to college and I didn't take

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any business classes, so I also
feel like marketing would have been a really

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good thing to take, but you
know, just wasn't interest. God.

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Yeah, I'm an idiot, so
were you. It's true. Part of

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maybe think about it, though,
was a little later in the story when

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they're talking about how this guy edwin
after he kidnapped. Didn't bonk this girl

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on the head, as you so
lightly put it, except with the rock.

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He like took her to this other
part of campus because he was the

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campus security guard. He knew all
the like knooks and crannies of the campus.

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And it just reminded me of when
I was a kid freshman in college,

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got my first like college girlfriend,
and just wandering the campus, like

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finding little makeout spots and trying to
avoid the campus security guards. And just

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when you go into big college campus, there's all kinds of places where things

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can be done well. The University
of British Columbia borders along a nude beach,

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really wrecked beaches right beside. Oh
my god, so that's where your

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studies were. That's why I didn't
show up a college. I was next

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star Son of my balls. Yeah. Yeah, it's funny that there's all

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those those kind of nooks and crannies
on because I've done a lot of colleges

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and stand up and you can get
lost. You're just trying to go to

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they give you a map and suddenly
you're just in the woods for no apparent

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Yeah, it's wild. I mean, I really missed those college campus days,

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but I remember just going on tours
of college campuses and just it is

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like going to a city in some
cases, that's just wild. I want

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to circle back to circle back.
Let's circle back. Let's go back to

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kind of the way this episode opens, which is with Edwin's wife. It's

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kind of from her perspective. We
talked about her a little bit at the

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beginning, that she was a police
officer in training, and this idea that

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she went to bed and her husband
came home at some point in the night

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and she doesn't really know what time, but in the morning he's being a

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little bit shifty and acting a little
bit weird. But they are definitely going

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to go to church together. To
go to church, gotta go to Pizza

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Hut for dinner the night before.
I forgot about that detail. I was

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going to bring it up, how
much how great is Pizza Hut? You

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know, it's reminds me of my
childhood, totally reminds me. So it

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was my birthday a couple of weeks
ago, and my wife said what he

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wanted to do, and I said, I want to go to pizza really,

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because I reminded me, try to
find a pizza that you can dine

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in. They still have their red
plastic cups. They don't have any dining

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rooms anymore, and not like the
closest one we could find was Baker's Field

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that had a planeup. We're like, going there, not going to Baker's.

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Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah.
Um. So these this couple,

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though, they go to Pizza Hut
and he leaves the windows down on his

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car and then something he's never done
before. But he says it's because the

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hot day. We know now that's
because he had at some point there was

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a body in that car. I
didn't clue into that. I didn't clue

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into the fact that he had put
the body into that car. I always

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thought it was in the police not
the police see see I even say a

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police vehicle because it's described Yeah,
just the white yes, as the college

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security vehicle. I didn't think that
it had ever gone into the police field,

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I mean to his vehicle. So
that was one of the crazy parts

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of this story, was that he
kept moving the body, right, he

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but I always thought it was with
the college. Well guess what, let

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me blow your mind. Get ready, it wasn't. It was with his

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light blue Nissan Ultima. He left
his job after he killed her, he

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like dumped her body, and then
there was a whole thing where he was

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going to have to clock out of
his shift, and he was really nervous

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to talk to like his boss or
something, right, covered in blood.

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And then after he's left, he
goes into his personal car, and then

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from the personal car, he goes
back and picks up the body, takes

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it to a second location, at
some point changes his mind again and takes

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the body to a third location.
So that body has been in that personal

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car in two different occasions. But
it was so it was like right after

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they went to church the next day
and the windows were open. That's why

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that's why I didn't click into that. Yeah, well, I don't think

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the body was in the car,
but I'm sure he was cued into some

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kind of lingering smell, you know
that she was like, Oh this pizza,

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that's weird. This pizza, it's
weird. Resod buddy, Yeah,

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was he was. He was obsessed
with that girl too, right, the

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girl that he killed, Like that's
I kind of got that feeling. That's

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why he was moving her to see
her a couple more times. Oh interesting,

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like not obsessed with her before,
but obsessed with her like once it

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happened. Yeah. Yeah, because
they said he was having sex with a

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dead body. Yeah, so gross, right, so creepy that again,

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I meant the word I used earlier
was just train wreck. This story just

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starts out as this little fraction of
information that he's like a campus security guard

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and he may have hit somebody with
his car. And then you find out

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that he like smashed her head with
a rock and that he can find her

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behind the car, and that he
raped her. And then he, as

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we'll get into, he just goes
on this murder spree with you know,

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with hostages, and it's just like
every minute of this story it just gets

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worse and worse. It just so
so he says it that he hit her

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with the wife catches on why because
he wasn't he was acting weird right right?

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Yeah? So why I usually order
pepperoni pizza, but this time you

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order pepperoni pizza, your vegetarian.
Why would you get that? You know

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it's Jesus Day? Why would you
do that? Um? So they come

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back and she thinks that he's gonna
leave her. Yeah, she just thinks

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that he's being a little quiet and
maybe he's like having an affair or something,

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like he's clearly working something out in
his own mind. Yeah, and

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then he finally comes clean kind of
and tells this person that I smack somebody

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with my car. Therefore I hit
their body. Yeah, and their bloody

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clothing is in our shed. If
you don't believe it was so bizarre like

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that that whole movie. Why and
she's supposedly a cop. Yeah, like

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none of those actions makes sense.
Well, you know what you do when

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you hit somebody with your car,
You take him to the fun in hospital.

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That's what you do to them.
A nine one one call will suffice

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something, just something in the beginning. Acknowledge that this happened. Let that

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be a lesson kids. If he
hit somebody with your card, don't kill

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them afterwards. Yeah, seriously.
Well, I don't think he ever hit

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her with a car, and no
point. That was a story. Yeah,

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that was the story. And then
he takes his wife's gun and says,

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I gotta go her steps in the
shed. If you don't believe me,

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I'm out piece and then he just
goes on the run. And then

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she only in this moment when she's
opened up the shed door and sees the

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bloody purse or whatever, does she
suddenly realize that this is all this is

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actually happening. Okay, so can
I. I didn't really get the timeline

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because they're so they're looking at the
boyfriend has called the cops by this time,

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and they're already looking for this girl
that has kind of vanished, right,

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Yes, Is this not Sunday?
Is this Monday when he takes off.

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I'm not exactly sure when he takes
off, but I know that the

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man hunt definitely intensified on Monday.
There was a whole thing about how they

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were trying to be cool about it
about her disappearing, but they knew she

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loved her job and they just assumed
she's got to come to that shift on

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Monday morning. And then when she
didn't show up to that shift. That's

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when everybody like started to really flip
out. And that's when and that's when

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the wife goes into the into the
cops, right right, Because the idea

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is that the wife and her killer
husband are the only two people who know

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that this girl isn't missing, it's
that she's actually dead. And so I

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think Edwin takes off, she starts
to the wife starts to see all these

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reports and the whole community's trying to
find this woman, which I must have

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happened around Monday, because that would
have been when all of the real reporting

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starts happening. And then that's when
the connections made and they also make they

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also that around that same time,
they go from missing persons to homicide,

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right yeah, I mean finding the
bloody purse probably not great. Yeah,

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not looking good. Then I can
only imagine if there's DNA evidence or something

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in the back seat of that car. I mean, all that stuff is

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is going to be examined pretty closely. Yeah, it's you know, she's

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basically the wife knows at that point
and has told him that she's killed her,

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right yeah, so they know,
Well, there's the whole interrogation scene,

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which I always love these types of
scenes where it's the killer just trying

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to weasel their way out of whatever
the fuck they actually did, and then

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police officers trying to pry the information
out of him. And this one is

407
00:27:48.359 --> 00:27:55.079
it's just an all timer because the
cops that are interrogating him are really trying

408
00:27:55.079 --> 00:27:57.200
to get down on the level with
him, and they're trying to talk to

409
00:27:57.279 --> 00:28:03.079
him with some street language lots man's
and dudes and dude, man, come

410
00:28:03.119 --> 00:28:06.240
on, dude, man, this
man, come on, man, like,

411
00:28:06.319 --> 00:28:07.759
there's a lot of that. Man. You gotta help us, man,

412
00:28:07.880 --> 00:28:11.359
don't you want to smoke the weed
with us? Yeah, that's exactly

413
00:28:11.359 --> 00:28:15.599
what it sounds like. I definitely
want to play some clips because I got

414
00:28:15.640 --> 00:28:19.160
some good ones here, But this
first one I think is very telling.

415
00:28:19.200 --> 00:28:26.240
This to me distills the entire argument
down, which is when Edmund approached Edwin,

416
00:28:26.519 --> 00:28:30.759
Edwin, sorry, Edmund, Well
that's who you have to fill out

417
00:28:30.799 --> 00:28:33.759
the forms for your taxes. Yeah, that's Edmund. That's true. Right.

418
00:28:33.200 --> 00:28:41.279
When Edwin approaches Kaylee the victim,
was he there to hurt her or

419
00:28:41.359 --> 00:28:44.720
was he there to help her?
Because he was a campus security officer.

420
00:28:45.000 --> 00:28:49.039
So that's what the detectives are talking
to him about in this clip. I

421
00:28:49.079 --> 00:28:57.160
think she honestly thought that I was
going to do something. You were man

422
00:28:57.640 --> 00:29:03.680
right now, you were you as
was here. Yes, we let me

423
00:29:03.759 --> 00:29:07.880
back up, Let me back up
right, Yeah, let's circle back.

424
00:29:08.119 --> 00:29:15.000
You saw that girl and you picked
her up. Were your intentions to help

425
00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:18.880
her because you're a security guard on
the campus and people look up to you.

426
00:29:19.000 --> 00:29:23.799
Was your intent to find some way
to help her or was your intent

427
00:29:25.039 --> 00:29:30.319
to find a way of either by
paying for sex or taking sex? And

428
00:29:30.359 --> 00:29:33.960
when things went soil, you knew
you had to kill her because now the

429
00:29:33.000 --> 00:29:37.680
person she looks to for safety and
security wants something from ear she doesn't want

430
00:29:37.680 --> 00:29:44.920
to give it. Just the image
of this campus safety officer being at the

431
00:29:44.960 --> 00:29:47.440
center of this crime, and that, to me is what's one of the

432
00:29:47.480 --> 00:29:52.079
more memorable parts about this episode.
Was that this figure who you think is

433
00:29:52.359 --> 00:29:56.160
supposed to be Legs makes it scary, right, Yeah, Is that your

434
00:29:56.240 --> 00:30:00.680
safe house is not not? Yeah? How about the fact that he's just

435
00:30:00.759 --> 00:30:03.799
asking if you're a hooker? Like
there's just hookers walking around the campus,

436
00:30:04.119 --> 00:30:07.720
right, I Mean that's what I
was saying earlier too. Like the fact

437
00:30:07.799 --> 00:30:11.720
that that question would even cross his
mind. It just shows you that this

438
00:30:11.799 --> 00:30:17.960
is like something that he does.
He must go into the city and ask

439
00:30:18.039 --> 00:30:21.440
for for sex workers. This girls
must this is girls way off for beating

440
00:30:21.519 --> 00:30:26.680
tracks. Yeah, and like this
girl is And we should actually talk a

441
00:30:26.720 --> 00:30:29.920
little bit about how Kaylee kind of
ended up in this wrong place, wrong

442
00:30:29.960 --> 00:30:32.839
time, because that's a pretty interesting
part of the story too. It is

443
00:30:32.880 --> 00:30:38.880
interesting, but it's just it's that's
life, like just just one situation leads

444
00:30:38.880 --> 00:30:42.720
to another, and sometimes it leads
into a great thing, and sometimes you're

445
00:30:42.759 --> 00:30:47.039
just like, what the fuck did
I get myself into? Yeah, and

446
00:30:47.119 --> 00:30:51.000
this poor girls just made a decision
that's innocent. Yeah, like her and

447
00:30:51.039 --> 00:30:56.400
a boyfriend or fighting, I'm gonna
cool down, yeah while walk Yeah,

448
00:30:56.440 --> 00:31:02.160
I think we've all been there before. Everybody, like a million of us

449
00:31:02.240 --> 00:31:04.119
have done it. And she's the
only one that's you know, I'm sure

450
00:31:04.160 --> 00:31:08.079
she might not be the only one
that's had that happened. Yeah metaphorically though,

451
00:31:08.079 --> 00:31:12.000
I'm saying, yeah, it's crazy. There were so many people in

452
00:31:12.039 --> 00:31:15.960
this story that are just there at
the wrong time. Like a little bit

453
00:31:17.039 --> 00:31:22.319
later when he's basically switching cars and
there's just like some old man at a

454
00:31:22.400 --> 00:31:26.799
hotel, like checking into his hotel
room and he gets like shot in the

455
00:31:26.880 --> 00:31:30.839
stomach and gets his car's jacked,
like wrong place, wrong time. It

456
00:31:30.920 --> 00:31:34.119
was a funny story about the old
man though. He was moving furniture into

457
00:31:34.119 --> 00:31:40.759
the motel eight. He's just like, what, I'm like, I need

458
00:31:40.799 --> 00:31:45.400
specific things in my motel a room, Yeah, exactly. Yeah. But

459
00:31:45.079 --> 00:31:52.000
going back to just the this initial
crime, it's just it's so disgusting to

460
00:31:52.079 --> 00:31:59.039
me how he knocks her out,
rapes her while she's still kind of alive

461
00:31:59.079 --> 00:32:04.359
it sounded like, and then drags
her out into the woods to like finish

462
00:32:04.359 --> 00:32:07.000
her off, and then I'm assuming
finishing himself off. And do you think

463
00:32:07.480 --> 00:32:09.759
do you think he killed her or
do you think he left her there kind

464
00:32:09.759 --> 00:32:14.720
of half alive? Do you think
as a toy because she was his toy?

465
00:32:15.079 --> 00:32:20.000
Absolutely? Yeah. I mean I
would assume once you've bashed somebody's face

466
00:32:20.079 --> 00:32:23.160
into so that it's unrecognizable, that
I didn't even think of that, Like

467
00:32:24.319 --> 00:32:27.960
at that point, I think he
just he was done with her. I

468
00:32:28.000 --> 00:32:31.000
don't think it even really occurred to
her if she was like dead dead or

469
00:32:31.079 --> 00:32:35.640
mostly dead. I forgot when they
described that it was just I didn't like

470
00:32:35.839 --> 00:32:38.519
until you said that. Until you
said that just now, I didn't get

471
00:32:38.559 --> 00:32:43.440
the part where she was unrecognizable.
I just thought, Oh, she's just

472
00:32:43.839 --> 00:32:45.640
been there a while, so she's
unrecognized. Yeah, but he's bashed her

473
00:32:45.680 --> 00:32:50.440
face in, that's right, and
they can only id her by the like

474
00:32:50.559 --> 00:32:54.119
tattoo on her wrist, which god
damn, it's just so fucked up.

475
00:32:55.440 --> 00:33:00.359
I hope this guy gets his head
bashed in. Yeah, well he's got

476
00:33:00.400 --> 00:33:02.279
he's got a long time ahead of
himself and that uh, yeah, he's

477
00:33:02.319 --> 00:33:06.400
gonna be there for a while place. But also, did you find it

478
00:33:06.440 --> 00:33:12.079
weird that he shot the old man? I mean weird only in that this

479
00:33:12.240 --> 00:33:15.519
entire thing is fucked right, there's
nothing that makes sense. It's funny you

480
00:33:15.599 --> 00:33:19.000
said it before I consider them characters, and I was just like, oh,

481
00:33:19.000 --> 00:33:21.799
it's a story. The story doesn't
make sense like that. That was

482
00:33:22.119 --> 00:33:23.880
how I just went there, right, Yeah, who's writing this? Yeah,

483
00:33:23.880 --> 00:33:28.960
who's right? It doesn't Mike,
Yeah, it was just I found

484
00:33:28.960 --> 00:33:32.119
it. So I'm like, well, he walks away so many times.

485
00:33:32.519 --> 00:33:37.160
He's not getting anything out of this
guy, like he everybody that he's hurt

486
00:33:37.240 --> 00:33:43.680
so far is about sex. Yeah, you know, I think in every

487
00:33:43.720 --> 00:33:45.480
instance, most of them, most
of the time it was about having sex.

488
00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:50.640
But it's about getting the thing that
you want. And if somebody is

489
00:33:50.680 --> 00:33:54.440
going to stop you from getting what
you want, you're going to remove that

490
00:33:54.440 --> 00:33:59.240
that opposition. So even though he
didn't want sex from this guy, he

491
00:33:59.319 --> 00:34:02.440
wanted a car from that guy.
And if there was even one percent of

492
00:34:04.200 --> 00:34:07.279
a struggle or did not give him
what he wanted immediately, then he was

493
00:34:07.319 --> 00:34:10.599
just going to eliminate it. And
we mentioned earlier the bulletproof vest. Again,

494
00:34:10.639 --> 00:34:15.519
he doesn't need that for most of
this ordeal, but having that on

495
00:34:16.079 --> 00:34:21.119
makes you feel invincible. I didn't
Yeah, they didn't let you know he

496
00:34:21.159 --> 00:34:24.840
was wearing it until like yeah,
which I mean, I don't even know

497
00:34:24.920 --> 00:34:28.639
if he actually was. I guess
that they said that that was like part

498
00:34:28.679 --> 00:34:31.559
of the gear that you yet for
being a kid. Therefore, he may

499
00:34:31.599 --> 00:34:34.320
have had it on him, but
they didn't say it for sure that he

500
00:34:34.360 --> 00:34:36.960
had it on. Shall we go
to the Shall we go to when he

501
00:34:37.000 --> 00:34:39.280
gets his first car? Yeah,
let's do it. This is now the

502
00:34:39.320 --> 00:34:45.480
story is now shifted to a different
city, Salem, Organ And there's a

503
00:34:45.480 --> 00:34:51.400
girl. Her name is Andrea.
Andrea who's just getting off work. And

504
00:34:51.800 --> 00:34:54.320
this was another just terrifying image,
Thanks Mike, never be able to sleep

505
00:34:54.320 --> 00:34:59.039
again, of her just in her
car after work, you know, in

506
00:34:59.079 --> 00:35:01.480
this locked car, playing with her, a little catching up on all our

507
00:35:01.519 --> 00:35:06.280
emails, playing farting, is probably
doing a little farting. Yeah, that's

508
00:35:06.280 --> 00:35:08.079
why the windows cracked open. All
right, we all know why she's had

509
00:35:08.079 --> 00:35:14.519
a long, long day at working
unstown for her to release something again,

510
00:35:14.960 --> 00:35:19.039
we have all, yeah, all
done this. Who hasn't, Who hasn't.

511
00:35:19.079 --> 00:35:24.679
And then the just instantaneous nature of
crime, you know, like you

512
00:35:24.760 --> 00:35:28.079
just don't think it's going to happen, and then next thing you know,

513
00:35:28.280 --> 00:35:30.000
she's got a gun on her face, this dude's in the car, and

514
00:35:30.320 --> 00:35:35.079
off they go. Yeah, well
was it about this part of the story

515
00:35:35.119 --> 00:35:38.840
that sit out to you? Well, the fact that she was he knew,

516
00:35:39.880 --> 00:35:45.800
he knew that he wanted a girl. You that that's why he took

517
00:35:45.840 --> 00:35:50.880
that car. Yeah, he knew
he wanted a hot girl, and apparently

518
00:35:50.960 --> 00:35:53.639
she was hot. Right. I
didn't look into it, but well I

519
00:35:53.639 --> 00:35:57.239
didn't And I say, I say, he wanted a hot girl, but

520
00:35:57.280 --> 00:35:59.920
apparently she was hot to him?
Sure, right, So I don't know

521
00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:05.400
what she looked like, because as
we go along, he tries to have

522
00:36:05.440 --> 00:36:09.039
sex with her, and she comes
up with the greatest plan ever, incredible

523
00:36:09.039 --> 00:36:13.760
plan. They're just like, I
need to take my medication because I've got

524
00:36:13.800 --> 00:36:15.920
her pies. Yeah, and my
alarm goes off and I was just like,

525
00:36:16.280 --> 00:36:22.480
oh man, because I almost threw
up when they talked about him nibbling

526
00:36:22.559 --> 00:36:24.719
on her ear right now, I
was just like, oh my god,

527
00:36:25.440 --> 00:36:31.159
so disturbed. I was like I
almost gone well, even just the lead

528
00:36:31.199 --> 00:36:35.159
up to it, it made me
sick to my stomach. This whole idea

529
00:36:35.239 --> 00:36:39.840
that he like made her pretend to
be the girlfriend and you know, don't

530
00:36:39.840 --> 00:36:45.000
make eye contact with the hotel clerk
because I'll kill him and kill you and

531
00:36:45.079 --> 00:36:49.159
I don't care, and makes her
like hold hands with her, and she's

532
00:36:49.199 --> 00:36:52.239
talking to the clerk and trying to
communicate to him with these little like micro

533
00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:57.119
expressions, but there's no way this
clerk has any idea what's going on.

534
00:36:57.559 --> 00:37:01.119
And then when they get into the
room, this part just fucking gross me

535
00:37:01.119 --> 00:37:07.360
out so much, which was the
handcuffing to the bathroom door, the blindfolding,

536
00:37:07.400 --> 00:37:10.320
and then making her take sleeping pills
right and then, as you were

537
00:37:10.360 --> 00:37:15.360
saying earlier, the nibbling of the
ear lobe, but just made my stomach

538
00:37:15.440 --> 00:37:21.679
churn to just think of her fighting
to stay awake while all this is happening.

539
00:37:22.079 --> 00:37:27.239
I thought, you know a lot
of that one part. Let's circle

540
00:37:27.280 --> 00:37:32.400
back when he checks in. Do
you think what year was? Just like,

541
00:37:32.400 --> 00:37:38.000
I can't remember what year this was. This was twenty sixteen to twenty

542
00:37:38.199 --> 00:37:43.199
sixteen, So do you think much
has changed in the hotel motete hotel motel

543
00:37:43.280 --> 00:37:47.559
industry, so they would be on
the lookout for a guy his age with

544
00:37:47.599 --> 00:37:52.519
a girl that age just in general, just in general, I mean I

545
00:37:52.800 --> 00:37:58.400
probably not. I feel like those
you know, those motel business you know,

546
00:37:58.440 --> 00:38:00.800
those CD motels, they got a
going right with you know, rented

547
00:38:00.840 --> 00:38:06.000
by the hour. You don't think
people are asking questions? I guess so,

548
00:38:06.159 --> 00:38:09.239
But it just seems like so easy
for human trafficking. Yeah, like

549
00:38:09.320 --> 00:38:12.840
those motels are going to be the
ones that their people are going to go

550
00:38:12.920 --> 00:38:15.760
to, of course, And I
think that human trafficking is a legit problem,

551
00:38:15.880 --> 00:38:20.360
and probably for these same reasons.
I think this stuff is definitely happening

552
00:38:20.360 --> 00:38:22.159
all the time, right and this
so that's why I was wondering if they

553
00:38:22.239 --> 00:38:27.639
you know, I don't know I
would. I don't know how you put

554
00:38:27.639 --> 00:38:30.840
a stop to that. But it
was something that when I heard the story,

555
00:38:30.920 --> 00:38:34.960
I was just like, Yeah,
they shouldn't have They should have known

556
00:38:35.159 --> 00:38:38.199
something, should have been known by
the desk clerk, that this girl was

557
00:38:38.280 --> 00:38:43.599
uncomfortable. Yeah that this this,
this may have been a problem. But

558
00:38:43.840 --> 00:38:47.199
how do you how do you call
in everything? Oh, there's an uncomfortable

559
00:38:47.199 --> 00:38:50.679
girl, can you check on it? Right? You know? I don't

560
00:38:50.679 --> 00:38:54.079
know how Where where the line is? Sure? You know? I think

561
00:38:54.119 --> 00:38:59.440
all of these That's what I'm saying. This the whole industry of giving somebody

562
00:38:59.480 --> 00:39:01.599
a room for the night. I
just feel like you are dealing with shady

563
00:39:01.599 --> 00:39:07.639
people all the time. It's just
part of the business. And I don't

564
00:39:07.719 --> 00:39:10.280
know how. I don't think you
really can regulate it. People expect to

565
00:39:10.280 --> 00:39:14.280
have a little bit of privacy when
they're like on a vacation. That's what

566
00:39:14.320 --> 00:39:15.679
I'm saying, Like, where's the
line right? Where where is the line?

567
00:39:15.719 --> 00:39:20.400
You don't want to You don't want
to just because you're with your daughter.

568
00:39:20.400 --> 00:39:22.039
You don't want to be called checked
in and you're checking into hotel being

569
00:39:22.119 --> 00:39:24.400
right? You know, all the
cops are showing up to make sure.

570
00:39:24.559 --> 00:39:31.519
Yeah, exactly right, totally,
and this girl just had the longest night

571
00:39:31.559 --> 00:39:37.519
ever. And then this idea that
they just kept driving and driving and driving,

572
00:39:37.519 --> 00:39:40.199
and she just never knew when they
were gonna stop. And then again,

573
00:39:40.360 --> 00:39:45.280
like you would see in a movie
when like a police officer shows up

574
00:39:45.320 --> 00:39:47.039
three quarters of the way through the
movie, he's gonna save her. Nope,

575
00:39:47.079 --> 00:39:51.679
the killer's standing right there and kills
the police officer, and now all

576
00:39:51.719 --> 00:39:54.760
hope is lost. This is like
exactly what happens in this story with this

577
00:39:54.800 --> 00:40:00.280
old man. And now like her
car's leaking oil for some rea and they

578
00:40:00.280 --> 00:40:02.800
didn't explain, but she's got to
be thinking, we're done now, right,

579
00:40:02.920 --> 00:40:07.519
He's got to let me go now. And then he kidnaps a grandma

580
00:40:07.760 --> 00:40:14.239
and two kids who talk their way
out of being kidnapped, and she's so

581
00:40:15.199 --> 00:40:23.880
bizarre that that they because they don't
really say that the ground it's I was

582
00:40:24.000 --> 00:40:27.800
upset about this part of the story
because it just stopped. I needed to

583
00:40:27.800 --> 00:40:30.199
know more about what happened to grandma
and the two boys once they're just dumped.

584
00:40:30.320 --> 00:40:32.800
Yeah, they're just like abandoned by
the side of the room. Yeah,

585
00:40:32.800 --> 00:40:38.199
because now people they're still really not
looking for him, right, Yeah,

586
00:40:38.400 --> 00:40:45.280
like they're treating it kind of.
I'm guessing on that side, like

587
00:40:45.400 --> 00:40:50.679
Grandma and Grandpa's car has just been
stolen by somebody, but he's told the

588
00:40:50.800 --> 00:40:53.920
kids, I've murdered two people.
Yeah, so you think it would just

589
00:40:54.000 --> 00:40:58.320
be all points bolting everybody, just
like Chopper, let's go, let's go

590
00:40:58.400 --> 00:41:00.400
looking for him. I don't really
do that, they don't. I mean,

591
00:41:01.079 --> 00:41:05.800
I think everything was just happening so
quickly, Like I don't really know

592
00:41:05.840 --> 00:41:09.400
how much time has passed from when
these people are being left on the side

593
00:41:09.400 --> 00:41:15.239
of the road to when the cops
have started to really start this giant chase

594
00:41:15.280 --> 00:41:19.159
that kind of ends this episode.
Um, I did want to play before

595
00:41:19.159 --> 00:41:22.320
we get too far away from it. We play a lot of nine one

596
00:41:22.360 --> 00:41:28.280
one operator conversations on this show.
But there's this moment where these two very

597
00:41:28.400 --> 00:41:32.400
nice ladies are talking to one another
about the man who's just been shot at

598
00:41:32.400 --> 00:41:37.400
the motel, and it reminded me. I can't remember the name of the

599
00:41:37.440 --> 00:41:40.320
sketch, but Saturday Night Live with
like Molly Shannon and Anna Gastar are like

600
00:41:40.320 --> 00:41:43.559
they're good times, good times.
You know, I'm talking about it.

601
00:41:43.599 --> 00:41:46.480
They're like the public radio. So
these sweaty chocolatells, Yes, exactly,

602
00:41:46.480 --> 00:41:51.920
the sweaty balls. Yeah. So
this is a clip of two nine one

603
00:41:52.000 --> 00:41:59.760
one operators who sound like NPR.
It's great, Noman, What sure,

604
00:42:00.039 --> 00:42:06.239
it's Karen at HPI. Hey,
I just transferred a call to Medical Sprete

605
00:42:06.320 --> 00:42:09.960
Motel. The manager there said,
there's a gentleman who says, you got

606
00:42:10.000 --> 00:42:15.880
shot in the stomach. He's laying
down and we're one zero eight, one

607
00:42:16.159 --> 00:42:22.920
zero eight, all right, karenl
okay for the guys. He saying,

608
00:42:22.719 --> 00:42:25.280
Okay, I'm gonna go go talk
to the guys. Okay, it's more

609
00:42:25.280 --> 00:42:30.800
of a Minnesota call than what that
is. I want always show this terrible

610
00:42:31.079 --> 00:42:36.800
one zero eight. I felt like
she was fake writing it down right,

611
00:42:37.000 --> 00:42:42.199
Yeah, and I understand these ladies
are just doing their job, but you

612
00:42:42.239 --> 00:42:44.519
can't have a theory. I have
a theory of there. Those two are

613
00:42:44.519 --> 00:42:45.840
hooking up, but they had to
play it off like they aren't hooking up,

614
00:42:45.840 --> 00:42:49.519
so they had to protect make it
all that. Oh hey, hi,

615
00:42:50.239 --> 00:42:54.760
but no, yeah, um,
I forgot, by the way,

616
00:42:54.800 --> 00:42:59.920
I forgot to play this clip earlier, which is during the interrogation scene scene

617
00:43:00.119 --> 00:43:01.440
again with this with this language.
But you guys know what I'm saying.

618
00:43:01.519 --> 00:43:06.400
During the interrogation when the two cops
like, come on, man, come

619
00:43:06.400 --> 00:43:09.440
on, tell us the truth,
man Edwin says one of my favorite things,

620
00:43:09.679 --> 00:43:13.159
which is something along the lines.
Up, look what you guys are

621
00:43:13.159 --> 00:43:17.000
saying, it makes perfect sense.
But and then blah blah blah. Generally,

622
00:43:17.039 --> 00:43:20.880
if they are what they're saying makes
perfect sense, you're busted. Yeah,

623
00:43:20.920 --> 00:43:23.320
you're busted. All right, here
we go. We're missing something here.

624
00:43:23.719 --> 00:43:27.519
Look man, yeah, I know
what you guys are thinking, and

625
00:43:27.559 --> 00:43:31.000
it makes perfect sense. It does
because why would you ask for her person?

626
00:43:31.000 --> 00:43:34.920
What was in your head that made
you want her purse? Sorry?

627
00:43:34.960 --> 00:43:37.519
Just like that part is like what
you guys are saying. I was looking

628
00:43:37.519 --> 00:43:39.920
for condoms. Yeah, it makes
perfect sense. She was a sex worker.

629
00:43:39.920 --> 00:43:43.360
I wanted to get condoms. That
don't say that I said she was

630
00:43:43.400 --> 00:43:46.519
a sex worker. He thought that
she was a sex worker. It was

631
00:43:46.599 --> 00:43:52.400
it was that whole he's how does
he get hired? Like who the who

632
00:43:52.519 --> 00:43:58.000
hires that guy? Like he reeks
of grease, Like it's just so greasy,

633
00:43:58.199 --> 00:44:02.280
just like yeah, well going back
now, man, come on,

634
00:44:02.320 --> 00:44:06.719
man, dude, bro, come
on, hey, don't you have to

635
00:44:06.760 --> 00:44:13.079
talk me? Yeah, seriously,
the hostage that Edwin takes. There's another

636
00:44:13.119 --> 00:44:15.840
moment that we have to talk about
here, which is he we have to,

637
00:44:16.039 --> 00:44:19.079
we have to, we must,
we must. We still have like

638
00:44:19.079 --> 00:44:23.079
twenty minutes left, so we definitely
have to talk about this. The Headwin

639
00:44:23.360 --> 00:44:31.039
makes this hostage tape, a video
of him like doing this weird kind of

640
00:44:31.039 --> 00:44:37.559
half apology, and then asks her
to post it with the caption that says

641
00:44:37.679 --> 00:44:42.280
murderer on the loose, and the
very strange moment happens the closest the victim

642
00:44:42.320 --> 00:44:45.079
blaming I've ever heard, not coming
from my own mouth on this show,

643
00:44:45.440 --> 00:44:52.960
which is Mike talking about how when
she posted this video she was too embarrassed

644
00:44:52.199 --> 00:44:55.840
and so rather than marking it as
a public video, she made it a

645
00:44:55.880 --> 00:45:00.039
private video so that only she could
see it. And had she made it

646
00:45:00.280 --> 00:45:07.800
public, maybe this rampage would have
been stopped. Quicker I was wondering where

647
00:45:07.840 --> 00:45:10.239
they got the embarrassed from, if
that was her words, or if that

648
00:45:10.320 --> 00:45:15.679
had been floated into her head,
or if she had made a mistake by

649
00:45:15.920 --> 00:45:21.119
making it private, thinking she was
doing the right thing by making a private

650
00:45:21.159 --> 00:45:24.840
because that's made more sense to me
than saying, oh, it's embarrassed.

651
00:45:24.840 --> 00:45:30.199
I didn't want anybody to know.
Yeah, like I say when I say

652
00:45:30.280 --> 00:45:35.119
like, but sometimes your your thought
process can be wrong. You can go,

653
00:45:35.239 --> 00:45:37.840
oh, this can save me rather
than this, and you probably weren't

654
00:45:37.880 --> 00:45:42.119
on the wrong fork. Yeah,
that's that's what it seemed like to me.

655
00:45:42.760 --> 00:45:46.760
I am not saying that I would
have made any different because I'm sure

656
00:45:47.119 --> 00:45:52.199
that I would have. I could
see some embarrassment. I don't know it's

657
00:45:52.280 --> 00:45:57.400
you shouldn't be embarrassed, but I
could definitely feel if I was in that

658
00:45:57.480 --> 00:46:01.000
situation, being like, I don't
want to give this killer a platform to

659
00:46:01.079 --> 00:46:06.639
say what he wants to say,
and I'm in this horrible predicament, but

660
00:46:07.480 --> 00:46:09.679
you know nobody, I don't know. It's not like I don't want anyone

661
00:46:09.679 --> 00:46:13.599
else to hear it, but I
guess there is just like a shame to

662
00:46:14.760 --> 00:46:17.559
having been in this position, Like
I wasn't strong enough to fight off this

663
00:46:17.599 --> 00:46:23.079
person, and now I'm now in
this killer's grasps because she thinks he's a

664
00:46:23.159 --> 00:46:28.519
douche. Um. I would not
have been able to make it private because

665
00:46:28.519 --> 00:46:30.360
I hadn't no idea that was even
an option. Yeah, exactly, so,

666
00:46:30.480 --> 00:46:36.480
I mean he didn't know either.
You know, lebody know that's what's

667
00:46:36.480 --> 00:46:39.400
Facebook's for. Who makes a private
video on Facebook? I'm the only one

668
00:46:39.400 --> 00:46:44.360
that can see this is that is
so weird though, that yeah, that

669
00:46:44.480 --> 00:46:47.920
is an option. Oh yeah,
you know, people don't think the Facebook

670
00:46:49.000 --> 00:46:52.000
is any privacy options. But there's
some stuff you really wanted to dig into

671
00:46:52.119 --> 00:46:55.960
it. Yeah, you can post
a look at this, it's my ball's

672
00:46:55.960 --> 00:46:59.960
going for a walk on a table
private. I don't know if you know

673
00:47:00.039 --> 00:47:04.199
this end, but you can make
your whole profile private so that only people

674
00:47:04.199 --> 00:47:06.639
that you want to see you can
see your profile. I had no idea.

675
00:47:06.800 --> 00:47:09.840
Yeah, I'll teach you about it
after the show's over. People don't

676
00:47:09.880 --> 00:47:14.440
get to learn about it. Str
listeners are aware of these things. That's

677
00:47:14.480 --> 00:47:19.000
funny you just said to me,
well dumb dumb. Yeah, like I'm

678
00:47:19.000 --> 00:47:23.199
not making a sorry people, sorry
people that I'm so dumb dumb dun All

679
00:47:23.280 --> 00:47:30.199
right, So we're moving on now
to the climactic chase, that orgasmic chase

680
00:47:30.440 --> 00:47:38.840
that ends this episode. Edwin now
his calling nine one one kind of to

681
00:47:38.880 --> 00:47:43.400
turn himself in, but not quite
because he's not ready to pull the car

682
00:47:43.480 --> 00:47:47.360
over just yet, but he really
wants to make sure that nobody kills him

683
00:47:47.559 --> 00:47:52.159
right now, and also he wants
to make he wants to do a monologue.

684
00:47:52.440 --> 00:47:57.400
Yes, a lot of monologue.
God, I got plenty more clips

685
00:47:57.559 --> 00:48:01.480
of some of the ridiculous things that
this guy said. Is it begins though

686
00:48:01.840 --> 00:48:05.920
one of those guys it says and
another thing, or that's no, he

687
00:48:06.400 --> 00:48:09.400
says, let me just say this, but then he just keeps saying more

688
00:48:09.440 --> 00:48:15.039
things. Right. Yeah. I
have a my dad's friend, like a

689
00:48:15.079 --> 00:48:17.199
family friend, as a like a
verbal tick like that, and he always

690
00:48:17.199 --> 00:48:20.519
goes, I'll tell you one thing, yeah, and then he'll proceed to

691
00:48:20.559 --> 00:48:25.239
say like seven hundred other things.
My favorite is, can I ask you

692
00:48:25.280 --> 00:48:28.480
a question? Well we already have, Yeah, you can't, and you

693
00:48:28.559 --> 00:48:31.159
just used it up. Yeah,
you're done. Next, I was wondering,

694
00:48:31.800 --> 00:48:36.079
we'll play I'll play some clips that
where you can kind of hear the

695
00:48:36.159 --> 00:48:39.039
nine one one operator who's taking this
call. And it's addressed a little bit

696
00:48:39.039 --> 00:48:44.400
in this episode where people were saying
that she was being like kind of nice

697
00:48:44.559 --> 00:48:47.320
to him, and there was sort
of not that she was doing any part

698
00:48:47.320 --> 00:48:51.840
of her job wrong, and you
could definitely argue that she was trying to

699
00:48:52.039 --> 00:48:54.360
be nice to this guy to try
to get him to pull the car over.

700
00:48:54.719 --> 00:48:58.480
I thought I thought she was.
I thought when I was brought up,

701
00:48:58.519 --> 00:49:01.519
she was kind of being nice where
other people are mean too. But

702
00:49:01.639 --> 00:49:05.679
you know, she knows who she's
talking to. Yeah, she knows she's

703
00:49:05.679 --> 00:49:08.920
got a murderer who's got a kidnap
victim. So why would you get up?

704
00:49:09.519 --> 00:49:13.880
Hum? Are you sure your entire
pressure is at thirty two PSI?

705
00:49:15.159 --> 00:49:17.280
Well, this is leaning in very
nice. The other two were very nice.

706
00:49:17.320 --> 00:49:21.679
The other two were very nice too. Here's my question quite out.

707
00:49:21.960 --> 00:49:25.719
Do you think that she was kind
of excited who the nine one one operator

708
00:49:25.920 --> 00:49:30.639
to get the call? Like everybody
knows this? She was really good.

709
00:49:30.760 --> 00:49:31.760
I just thought she was really good. Thought she's really good. I thought

710
00:49:31.760 --> 00:49:36.079
she was good too. But I
sensed before anyone even said anything in the

711
00:49:36.079 --> 00:49:39.039
episode, just as a listener,
the way that he was like, yeah,

712
00:49:39.199 --> 00:49:43.239
you know, I'm the guy everybody's
looking for. I got a victim,

713
00:49:43.280 --> 00:49:46.079
and she's like you do. Like
I really sort of got the feeling

714
00:49:46.119 --> 00:49:50.719
that she was like my day just
got better, you know, Like I

715
00:49:50.760 --> 00:49:52.760
don't know, I thought she was
more like, no, we haven't heard

716
00:49:52.800 --> 00:49:55.440
anything about this. That's what it
seemed like to me, because he kept

717
00:49:55.480 --> 00:49:58.840
bragging. But hey, it's me, I'm the guy, and she's like,

718
00:49:59.000 --> 00:50:01.480
mom, you what, Yeah,
I've heard baby. Yeah, he

719
00:50:01.599 --> 00:50:05.519
was like raggy braggy bragging, and
she's all like, sorry, I do

720
00:50:05.599 --> 00:50:07.559
other things when I get off work. Yeah. See, I think I

721
00:50:07.599 --> 00:50:10.360
heard it differently than you. I
definitely heard her a bit like, oh,

722
00:50:10.679 --> 00:50:14.440
did did you well tell me worried
about that? Oh my goodness.

723
00:50:14.519 --> 00:50:16.039
Yeah, hold on, let me
clear my voice because this is gonna be

724
00:50:16.079 --> 00:50:21.760
on some episodes. Yeah, all
right, Well, this guy's first thing

725
00:50:22.199 --> 00:50:27.159
to this nine one one operator is
make sure the police officers are nice to

726
00:50:27.199 --> 00:50:30.639
me because I have asthma. Oh
this is my favorite. This is my

727
00:50:30.679 --> 00:50:34.039
favorite part of the whole show.
Like this is we've been waiting to get

728
00:50:34.079 --> 00:50:38.800
to this. He took the gun, but not as inhaler. Yeah.

729
00:50:38.960 --> 00:50:43.840
If only he mistook the gun for
his inhaler, Yeah, would have been

730
00:50:43.880 --> 00:50:45.760
a lot better. He should have
never left the house. He should have

731
00:50:45.760 --> 00:50:50.119
just ate again. Let's hear him
talk about it. I want to ask

732
00:50:50.159 --> 00:50:54.840
you a favorite okay, yeah,
so you can tell him not to be

733
00:50:55.119 --> 00:50:59.440
rough on me because you know,
I can't Patty breathe right now, all

734
00:50:59.519 --> 00:51:01.000
right, So that's all I wanted
to say, you know I don't.

735
00:51:02.880 --> 00:51:07.079
Yeah, well I think so I'm
gonna leave my in Hailor. I forgot

736
00:51:07.119 --> 00:51:14.119
my halor at home. You know, I went all over all over La

737
00:51:14.239 --> 00:51:17.000
Morrigan looking for did you earn in
Halor? But I guess they don't sell

738
00:51:17.079 --> 00:51:22.159
it, you know, behind the
counter, over the counter, by the

739
00:51:22.199 --> 00:51:27.719
way, one of the best.
He is not having any asthma problems,

740
00:51:27.760 --> 00:51:30.920
like he is breathing just fine.
There was not one wheeze in that whole

741
00:51:30.960 --> 00:51:35.400
speech of I drove all over Salem. Yeah, And you know, I

742
00:51:35.440 --> 00:51:37.400
feel like if he had, we
would have heard about that as part of

743
00:51:37.519 --> 00:51:42.000
the police report of this file or
of this case, rather would have been

744
00:51:42.000 --> 00:51:45.719
in the file like oh, you
know, before he drove across state lines,

745
00:51:45.119 --> 00:51:49.800
there's lots of camera footage of him
going into different CVS stores trying to

746
00:51:49.800 --> 00:51:52.440
find it inhaler Or. You know, we don't know why he kept going

747
00:51:52.440 --> 00:51:54.639
to a CVS storrees like, no, none of that ever happened. Yeah,

748
00:51:54.679 --> 00:51:58.719
And also people would have been able
to take him had he been having

749
00:51:58.760 --> 00:52:01.440
asthma attacks. Yeah, that's true. The old man, the old woman.

750
00:52:01.480 --> 00:52:05.199
I'm thinking the grandma would take him. Yeah, the two teenagers would.

751
00:52:06.320 --> 00:52:08.239
Can you guys breathe? Can you
guys just put in the stywheel for

752
00:52:08.360 --> 00:52:13.000
me? Yeah? It was too
much and they ran. They ran to

753
00:52:13.039 --> 00:52:16.599
the car, right, that's what's
gonna people a Yeah, that doesn't work.

754
00:52:17.239 --> 00:52:22.960
Now. This also made me wonder
this whole U nice nine one one

755
00:52:22.960 --> 00:52:28.679
operator? Again, we have played
so many nine one one operators on this

756
00:52:28.679 --> 00:52:31.480
show. I'm gonna stop you.
Let's go back. Sure, she mocked

757
00:52:31.519 --> 00:52:37.159
him. Oh that's terrible. Do
you need medical? Yeah, she totally

758
00:52:37.159 --> 00:52:40.440
mocked him. I didn't even catch
that, but you're right she did it

759
00:52:40.559 --> 00:52:45.320
goes No, I don't think.
Oh yeah, well maybe. But what

760
00:52:45.400 --> 00:52:50.000
I was going to ask is what
if he had connected with one of the

761
00:52:50.239 --> 00:52:54.360
many completely impatient nine one one operators
that we normally talk about on this show.

762
00:52:54.519 --> 00:52:58.239
Sarah, this this is, this
is, this is nine one one,

763
00:52:58.360 --> 00:53:00.719
this is We don't have any trouble
driving. Where are you driving?

764
00:53:00.760 --> 00:53:05.559
Why don't you stop? Just stop
driving? Sir? The wide one on

765
00:53:05.599 --> 00:53:09.159
your left side stops his car,
You dip shit pull over. Yeah,

766
00:53:09.239 --> 00:53:13.800
I'm just saying again, I do
think the nine one one operator did a

767
00:53:13.840 --> 00:53:16.000
great job and she did everything that
kind of makes me wish we had gotten

768
00:53:16.000 --> 00:53:20.360
a different one. But yeah,
pardon me for the audio, for the

769
00:53:20.440 --> 00:53:22.760
laughs, for the show, yeah, you know, not for the court

770
00:53:22.760 --> 00:53:30.639
case show off for them. There
were a couple other things that Edwyn says

771
00:53:30.760 --> 00:53:34.519
to this nine one one operator.
This is where a lot of those like

772
00:53:34.719 --> 00:53:37.280
his story is coming out, because
it's really the first time that you've,

773
00:53:37.440 --> 00:53:42.400
like in the real timeline. This
is the first time Edwin is like revealing

774
00:53:42.440 --> 00:53:46.000
what he did. But he's saying
things like that student was really drunk and

775
00:53:46.039 --> 00:53:50.400
I ran her over. Yeah.
He talked about how he just basically what

776
00:53:50.400 --> 00:53:52.440
he said, Mitch just ran into
my car. Yeah, I was at

777
00:53:52.480 --> 00:53:55.920
a stop sign. She had just
rammed her head into my car and then

778
00:53:57.039 --> 00:53:59.679
she put her ass up in the
air. That's basically what he said,

779
00:53:59.800 --> 00:54:05.760
right, and later the idea that
he just borrowed the car of the woman

780
00:54:05.800 --> 00:54:09.519
that he took hostage. But I
just love in Sword and Scale episodes where

781
00:54:09.880 --> 00:54:14.760
the audio just kind of speaks for
itself and you just are hearing this extended,

782
00:54:15.119 --> 00:54:19.079
not one one call of the bullshit
that this guy is spouting, and

783
00:54:19.280 --> 00:54:22.719
at this point in the episode,
like we know what really transpired, and

784
00:54:22.760 --> 00:54:25.599
it's just it's just I use the
word earlier, but it's sickening. You

785
00:54:25.599 --> 00:54:30.280
know. You listen to these these
guys lying and he's already gotten away with

786
00:54:30.320 --> 00:54:32.320
it, you know. Yeah,
leave us, leave us a comment on

787
00:54:32.480 --> 00:54:38.599
one of the sword and scale rewind
Twitter or Instagram. Let us know whether

788
00:54:38.639 --> 00:54:42.079
they should have shut him down,
like if she was too nice, whether

789
00:54:42.119 --> 00:54:45.079
she should have had a different attitude. Let us know, yeah, because

790
00:54:45.079 --> 00:54:46.760
that's part of this. We want
you guys commenting with us, because we're

791
00:54:46.760 --> 00:54:52.079
discussing the episode as a group,
Like it's about us talking about great if

792
00:54:52.119 --> 00:54:57.440
you guys responded to us as well
and said you're wrong or every so often,

793
00:54:57.559 --> 00:54:59.280
or hey, you guys are on
the right track. I think this

794
00:54:59.480 --> 00:55:02.960
guy should have had a cattle prod
but in his buttle Yeah, or just

795
00:55:04.000 --> 00:55:06.480
say hi, you know, just
drop an hi to us. That's fine

796
00:55:06.480 --> 00:55:10.159
too, Hi the show. Um, okay, but I do have one

797
00:55:10.199 --> 00:55:14.480
more clip of the nine one one
call from Edwin. You can play at

798
00:55:14.480 --> 00:55:16.920
all. It's yeah, Like I
think you could listen to that every day

799
00:55:16.960 --> 00:55:21.039
and have a good giggle. Well, this is where I laugh. The

800
00:55:21.039 --> 00:55:25.760
hardest, which is it's nearing the
end. Now the cops are on his

801
00:55:25.880 --> 00:55:30.039
tail. He has already said something
along the lines of just let him pass

802
00:55:30.119 --> 00:55:34.599
me. It's cool, I don't
care. And this this nine one one

803
00:55:34.599 --> 00:55:37.280
opera is like, sir, you
need to pull your car over. You

804
00:55:37.320 --> 00:55:40.360
know, if they could go to
another call, I'll pull over and then

805
00:55:40.400 --> 00:55:43.960
they could come back to me.
Yeah. Yeah. And as this call

806
00:55:44.119 --> 00:55:49.119
is ending, Edwin is trying to
get off of the line and she's trying

807
00:55:49.159 --> 00:55:52.400
desperately to keep him on the line, and he mentions one of my favorite

808
00:55:52.400 --> 00:55:57.960
things in this entire story, and
I'll let it speak for itself. I'm

809
00:55:58.000 --> 00:56:04.199
just gonna call her grandma, apologize, and then I'll stop you. Right

810
00:56:04.239 --> 00:56:07.840
now, let's just kind of we're
about are you stopping this? We're about

811
00:56:07.840 --> 00:56:13.159
stopping and getting you guys both safe. Okay, all right, okay,

812
00:56:13.199 --> 00:56:16.000
I'll stop hang up now, I'm
gonna stand the line with you, okay,

813
00:56:16.639 --> 00:56:23.400
Okay, Well, basically or technically
it's right, you know, if

814
00:56:23.440 --> 00:56:27.920
you're calling in an emergency and you
know what, this is just a pologics

815
00:56:27.920 --> 00:56:32.519
and circumstance. Okay, technically was
he trying to be funny? I God,

816
00:56:32.599 --> 00:56:37.320
I hope not, because he's just
stupid, I thought. I'm I

817
00:56:37.360 --> 00:56:38.280
thought, this is what I thought. When I heard that. I was

818
00:56:38.320 --> 00:56:43.119
like, that's hilarious. He's being
a douche. And then I thought,

819
00:56:43.159 --> 00:56:45.239
oh my god, he's flirting with
her. Oh really, that's what I

820
00:56:45.239 --> 00:56:47.880
thought. I thought he was flirting
with her. I mean this guy,

821
00:56:49.119 --> 00:56:52.559
I mean maybe sure, he's out
of his fucking trees, just out of

822
00:56:52.599 --> 00:56:57.039
his mind, dude. Yeah.
Um, the fact that that it's occurring

823
00:56:57.079 --> 00:56:59.280
to him. First of all,
he's been on the phone with her for

824
00:57:00.039 --> 00:57:02.360
several off an hour minutes at this
point. But let's not forget the fact

825
00:57:02.360 --> 00:57:07.239
that he just murdered and raped a
girl. He's kidnapped for other people,

826
00:57:07.320 --> 00:57:10.719
and he's like, uh, you
know, technically I don't need Yeah,

827
00:57:10.800 --> 00:57:14.159
well that was what I thought too. It's like he's just worried that they're

828
00:57:14.159 --> 00:57:17.519
gonna like, like, the jury's
reading off your charges. For the jury

829
00:57:17.679 --> 00:57:22.039
for the the the effect of talking
on a cell phone while in a high

830
00:57:22.039 --> 00:57:27.119
speed pursuit, the defendants found guilty. Like you're done, dude, You're

831
00:57:27.159 --> 00:57:30.519
done. Ah. He's such a
If it would just something, if it

832
00:57:30.519 --> 00:57:35.880
would just not murder, it would
be so fucking better. Yeah, you

833
00:57:35.960 --> 00:57:39.880
know a lot of things just it's
just you just laugh and and just go

834
00:57:40.039 --> 00:57:45.400
what a fucking tool. You know. I think Mike Buday said it best

835
00:57:45.440 --> 00:57:49.320
in this episode, What a douche. Yeah, he said that was just

836
00:57:49.360 --> 00:57:51.880
like douche, And I wondered,
I want to ask Mike. I want

837
00:57:51.880 --> 00:57:53.039
to ask him how many takes it
took him to get that? Yeah,

838
00:57:53.079 --> 00:58:00.360
I felt it. What a douche. Well this guy can take. He

839
00:58:00.400 --> 00:58:06.760
continues to be a creep even after
all this, because he is not telling

840
00:58:06.840 --> 00:58:10.480
people where the body is and he
doesn't want to because he doesn't want them

841
00:58:10.519 --> 00:58:17.599
to kill him. So he's kind
of like holding this information hostage until the

842
00:58:17.639 --> 00:58:22.000
time that he feels is important enough
to like tell them where it is.

843
00:58:22.360 --> 00:58:24.920
And then when he's been assured that
everything's going to be fine, that's when

844
00:58:24.920 --> 00:58:29.880
he kind of points to the map, right, draws them a map and

845
00:58:29.960 --> 00:58:31.400
goes, oh, you guys aren't
going to beat me up? Okay?

846
00:58:31.639 --> 00:58:36.440
Yeah, well he was kind of
wished that they would beat people up every

847
00:58:36.440 --> 00:58:38.400
so often too. Yeah, like
you should get in trouble for beating up

848
00:58:38.400 --> 00:58:40.880
innocent people, but if they're guilty, you should be able to beat him

849
00:58:40.960 --> 00:58:46.519
up. Let's just let the jurors
around a little bit angry man. Yeah,

850
00:58:46.559 --> 00:58:49.960
that's what we'll call the program.
Oh my god, this is brilliant.

851
00:58:50.000 --> 00:58:55.199
Not since Murder Bleach have we come
up with something. So the episode

852
00:58:55.320 --> 00:59:01.119
ends here with this idea that there's
a new law that hopefully prevent the abuse

853
00:59:01.159 --> 00:59:07.760
of power that these campus security officers
have. You know. Part of the

854
00:59:07.800 --> 00:59:10.440
tragedy of this story, as I
guess, there was no GPS in the

855
00:59:10.480 --> 00:59:15.480
car, there was no recording system
in the car. All that stuff is

856
00:59:15.480 --> 00:59:20.119
pretty standard now. I would be
surprised to hear about something that doesn't have

857
00:59:20.119 --> 00:59:23.440
a GPS system in it. For
example, if you're going to put somebody

858
00:59:23.960 --> 00:59:29.079
a college age into a car,
it should be recorded. It shouldn't be

859
00:59:29.320 --> 00:59:31.840
it shouldn't be just lucy goosey like
that. Definitely, especially again, like

860
00:59:31.960 --> 00:59:36.920
on a college campus. We're not
talking about like patrolling the streets of Compton

861
00:59:37.039 --> 00:59:40.159
or something, you know, and
as we're talking about well you just described

862
00:59:40.280 --> 00:59:45.599
USC. Yeah that's true, true, But USC's protected, it's it's it

863
00:59:45.679 --> 00:59:50.239
is mostly protected by sheriffs, right, So yeah, yeah, yeah,

864
00:59:50.480 --> 00:59:53.960
USC is an interesting campus there.
I had friends that went there and the

865
00:59:54.000 --> 01:00:00.440
way that they described it was there
was of the four walls of the USC

866
01:00:00.599 --> 01:00:05.119
campus, the four different sides.
One side was pretty good, one side

867
01:00:05.559 --> 01:00:07.599
was okay, and then the other
two sides you do not want to go

868
01:00:07.639 --> 01:00:09.440
into. Yeah, you just don't
want to be over yeah, you know.

869
01:00:09.840 --> 01:00:14.440
And the fact that they're saying one
of them was okay blows my mind.

870
01:00:14.679 --> 01:00:16.960
Yeah it is. It is not
a good area. The first time

871
01:00:16.960 --> 01:00:21.519
I've seen USC, I'm like,
what the fun you decided learning would be

872
01:00:21.519 --> 01:00:24.280
good here? I think that good
part is like where all the fraternities are

873
01:00:24.280 --> 01:00:28.920
and stuff. It's just kind of
a larger percentage of students over there.

874
01:00:29.719 --> 01:00:32.199
But nothing like putting rich kids in
the middle of the ghetto. Like what

875
01:00:32.320 --> 01:00:36.360
it is. USC is just a
bunch of dicks. It's it's a strange

876
01:00:36.400 --> 01:00:39.480
campus, that's for sure. Um. I do have one update by the

877
01:00:39.519 --> 01:00:45.440
way, Oh we got an update, and the update is related to the

878
01:00:45.480 --> 01:00:50.800
wife who, at the beginning of
the story was training to be a police

879
01:00:50.800 --> 01:00:52.719
officer. Funny because I was wondering
what happened to her, whether she became

880
01:00:52.760 --> 01:00:58.440
a kamp or not. Well,
a few weeks after Kayley was murdered,

881
01:00:59.159 --> 01:01:05.000
Edwin's wife divorced him no doubt,
and shortly after that, she quit her

882
01:01:05.039 --> 01:01:10.039
position as a police officer after only
thirteen months in law enforcement, and in

883
01:01:10.159 --> 01:01:14.440
her resignation letter, she said,
this decision has not been easy, but

884
01:01:14.480 --> 01:01:17.000
I've decided that it will be in
the best interest for my career advancement and

885
01:01:17.079 --> 01:01:21.400
future development. What does that mean? I think he just realized she didn't

886
01:01:21.400 --> 01:01:25.599
have what it takes to be But
what does she mean by her career advancement?

887
01:01:25.679 --> 01:01:29.079
Yeah, that was a very interesting
way of putting it. I think

888
01:01:29.079 --> 01:01:31.079
the best thing for my advancing my
career is ending it. Yeah, that

889
01:01:31.159 --> 01:01:36.639
does it is not being involved in
it? Yeah, well again she is.

890
01:01:36.679 --> 01:01:38.719
I'm sure people played that tape for
I'm sure when she got haze,

891
01:01:38.760 --> 01:01:42.639
they just put that on a loop
in the office and go, right,

892
01:01:42.719 --> 01:01:45.960
hey, dumb, dumb, let's
go solve a crime. I mean,

893
01:01:45.000 --> 01:01:50.239
I do feel bad for her too, though. I mean this obviously learned

894
01:01:50.239 --> 01:01:54.159
a very important lesson about trusting you
know who you put your trust into.

895
01:01:54.559 --> 01:02:00.800
But I I interrupt you. But
my points what do on this show?

896
01:02:00.960 --> 01:02:08.559
Yeah? I think she didn't.
She People show you what they want to

897
01:02:08.559 --> 01:02:13.440
show you, Like we we fall
in love with people because of who we

898
01:02:13.519 --> 01:02:17.719
think they are. He wasn't showing
her what he was. Yeah, so

899
01:02:19.639 --> 01:02:24.199
how else? But I do know
we've we've we've all I've heard stories of

900
01:02:24.199 --> 01:02:30.159
of somebody with a completely different family
in a different town. Sure what you

901
01:02:30.199 --> 01:02:34.639
know, you're just like, how
did how did they do that? Well?

902
01:02:34.679 --> 01:02:37.280
Again, that's part of what makes
this show so crazy, as they

903
01:02:37.639 --> 01:02:43.719
give you black and white examples of
the thing that you never thought could happen

904
01:02:43.920 --> 01:02:46.079
actually happening, and in the worst
possible way. I could see my wife

905
01:02:46.159 --> 01:02:50.519
killing me. Yeah, yeah,
you know, I've often wondered that myself.

906
01:02:50.599 --> 01:02:52.960
My wife and I listened to a
lot of true crime. So if

907
01:02:52.079 --> 01:02:55.360
she's planning out, you know,
how to get away with things. Yeah,

908
01:02:55.400 --> 01:02:59.360
although she's she's smart though. Like
we had an AT and T cable

909
01:02:59.400 --> 01:03:04.280
guy like come to the door to
like say something about some tower in the

910
01:03:04.360 --> 01:03:07.679
backyard needs to be fixed, and
she straight up was like hold on a

911
01:03:07.679 --> 01:03:09.599
minute, sir, and closed the
door and called up AT and T and

912
01:03:09.679 --> 01:03:14.280
like made sure that there's a service
in our area. It was like,

913
01:03:14.280 --> 01:03:15.599
good on you man. Something So
it was he lying, No, he

914
01:03:15.679 --> 01:03:19.199
wasn't, but he could have could
have been. That's awesome. Yeah,

915
01:03:19.239 --> 01:03:22.119
she trusts no one. She trusts
nobody, not even awesome. I've been

916
01:03:22.119 --> 01:03:24.119
married to her for she trust at
and t they seem like they're on the

917
01:03:24.199 --> 01:03:29.239
up and up. Yeah, you
must have been like, finally you're putting

918
01:03:29.280 --> 01:03:32.880
a tower around here. People get
a horrible service exactly. But you know,

919
01:03:32.960 --> 01:03:36.719
I think that that just about does
it for this episode. That does

920
01:03:36.760 --> 01:03:39.199
it. We're wrapping it up.
Well, it's sad. I really feel

921
01:03:39.199 --> 01:03:43.840
bad for the family. And the
boyfriend was just I'm sure he's dealing with

922
01:03:43.920 --> 01:03:45.559
guilt, right, Oh sure.
I mean they had that huge blow up

923
01:03:45.599 --> 01:03:49.599
and then he's like, I'll be
inside. I'm sure you're going to be

924
01:03:49.599 --> 01:03:52.360
in any minute now to make up
with me, and then she just never

925
01:03:52.400 --> 01:03:55.519
showed up. Yeah. Yeah,
that's crazy. And I mean you gotta

926
01:03:55.559 --> 01:03:59.639
wonder if he didn't think that he
was going to be a suspect, because

927
01:03:59.679 --> 01:04:02.119
her asked texts were like, oh
fuck yourself. Yeah, the stuff in

928
01:04:02.199 --> 01:04:04.880
the fact that it moved so quick
was the only he wasn't right, I

929
01:04:04.920 --> 01:04:08.760
were able to figure everything out.
Otherwise he would have definitely been the one

930
01:04:08.800 --> 01:04:11.920
they would have definitely been investigating.
Well, yeah, especially with a huge

931
01:04:11.920 --> 01:04:15.800
fight and everything that before, but
like you said, it's it was such

932
01:04:15.840 --> 01:04:20.519
a thing that happens to everybody.
Go out and your party with your friends,

933
01:04:20.519 --> 01:04:24.280
and you know, you got a
call from your drunk significant other who

934
01:04:24.320 --> 01:04:26.559
needs a lift, and maybe you're
a little pissed off that you gotta go

935
01:04:26.719 --> 01:04:30.639
do it. But let's playing video
games in my underwears. I didn't want

936
01:04:30.679 --> 01:04:33.320
to have to come here. I'll
be inside. But terrible things can happen

937
01:04:33.360 --> 01:04:36.719
very quickly. Yeah, just be
safe, be smart, and charge your

938
01:04:36.719 --> 01:04:41.920
phone. People, charge your phone. That's another I'm glad you brought that

939
01:04:42.000 --> 01:04:45.000
up right here, because even in
twenty sixteen. Again, not to victim

940
01:04:45.000 --> 01:04:49.000
blame here, but you're blaming the
whole year. But you gotta charge your

941
01:04:49.039 --> 01:04:53.079
phone. They think it's like portable
chargers, so you can charge it while

942
01:04:53.119 --> 01:04:55.800
you're on the go. Yeah,
no more excuses. People, you're in

943
01:04:55.840 --> 01:04:58.800
the car driving home, plug it
in. Yeah yeah. And you know

944
01:04:58.840 --> 01:05:00.159
what, if you have your phone
go on, why don't you go ahead

945
01:05:00.159 --> 01:05:04.239
and hit that subscribe button. Subscribe, like rate and review, Yes,

946
01:05:04.400 --> 01:05:09.079
all four of those things, Sword
and Scale rewind. We're still here.

947
01:05:09.320 --> 01:05:14.199
We're going to keep crushing all these
episodes. Right. Next week's is quite

948
01:05:14.239 --> 01:05:17.239
a doozy, probably one of the
saddest episodes in a recent memory. I'm

949
01:05:17.280 --> 01:05:21.519
looking forward to it. I'm not
either, but we are gonna somehow get

950
01:05:21.519 --> 01:05:24.960
through it. We're gonna get some
giggles out of it. Somehow. Well,

951
01:05:25.000 --> 01:05:27.039
that's what we do. We've got, we discussed the show, we

952
01:05:27.119 --> 01:05:29.880
have some laughs, and then we
try to learn a lesson. Yes,

953
01:05:30.039 --> 01:05:32.639
well, in the meantime, go
ahead and listen to episode one sixty seven

954
01:05:32.639 --> 01:05:36.800
so that you'll be all ready to
go. And again, Happy holidays.

955
01:05:36.800 --> 01:05:42.360
I hope everybody's having some great time
with their family, not arguing or anything

956
01:05:42.400 --> 01:05:44.480
like that. I'll argue a little
bit, but have fun, maybe have

957
01:05:44.519 --> 01:05:47.039
a good giggle. Don't don't become
one of our shows. Yeah, good

958
01:05:47.079 --> 01:05:50.199
call. Yeah, and again.
Follow me on Twitter, Matt Fondelier.

959
01:05:50.480 --> 01:05:56.599
Yeah, you're on Twitter at Sura
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960
01:05:56.920 --> 01:06:02.320
I'll be there having a gingerbread Mountain
New All right, Well, happy holidays

961
01:06:02.320 --> 01:06:08.280
again, marek Christmas, Mac,
Marry Christmas. Happy holidays, and I

962
01:06:08.320 --> 01:06:12.719
don't believe in all the holidays.
Just mark Christmas and I'll let Mike do

963
01:06:12.840 --> 01:06:15.199
the do our taglines a little bit
different, but you're gonna understand what he's

964
01:06:15.239 --> 01:06:31.079
saying. What a douche sort scale
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965
01:06:31.280 --> 01:06:33.840
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966
01:06:33.880 --> 01:06:39.480
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967
01:06:39.559 --> 01:06:42.679
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968
01:06:42.679 --> 01:06:45.920
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969
01:06:45.960 --> 01:07:13.000
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970
01:07:13.480 --> 01:07:15.960
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