1 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:06,719 Yes, off a weekend that is seen Alexander Usik get his knockout, but 2 00:00:06,879 --> 00:00:09,679 not without a bit of a controversy. Oh, don't get the bridge wild 3 00:00:09,759 --> 00:00:12,800 up right now talking about what's a low blow, what's not a low blow. 4 00:00:13,759 --> 00:00:18,039 We're going to discuss that Jared real big baby Anderson gets to win as 5 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:21,879 well, rising his stock a little bit. We're ready to recap those fights. 6 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:25,000 We've got fight news, We've got nostalgia, We've gotten much more. 7 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:29,359 It is the Fight Freaks Unite or Recap podcast coming off the weekend. I'm 8 00:00:29,359 --> 00:00:35,200 the somewhat capable host, T J Reeves, our insider Dan rayphel Bigfight Weekend 9 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:38,200 dot Com. He is Fight Freaks Unite. Substack is here. He is 10 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:42,039 smiling even though you can't see him, but I can because once again he 11 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:47,320 is evaded, eluded, escaped, gotten out of a birthday party. As 12 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:52,560 we taped the podcast Sunday afternoon into Sunday evening, you seem to be more 13 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:56,399 proud of this than maybe you should be. It's good to have you. 14 00:00:56,439 --> 00:00:58,960 We got a lot to go over, but you're like proud that you got 15 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:03,359 out of another. Yeah, as we discussed I think it was last week 16 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:07,879 the big Man doesn't do birthday parties unless it's a close friend or the neighbor. 17 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:11,239 But the kids, I don't really know. I don't do birthday pars. 18 00:01:11,439 --> 00:01:14,920 Right today is not only is the a birthday party, but before the 19 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:18,799 birthday party, there was a picnic related to one of my son's activities. 20 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:25,480 And let us add to the list does picnics or birthday parts. I'll do 21 00:01:25,519 --> 00:01:30,560 a picnic with my family with our friends, but I don't do random picnics, 22 00:01:30,719 --> 00:01:34,280 heat ants around all the food mosquitoes in Florida's case, No thank you. 23 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:38,680 All right, so that's good. So I have been busy this weekend 24 00:01:38,719 --> 00:01:42,879 the NFL preseason. One of my other gigs, one of my main gigs 25 00:01:42,879 --> 00:01:47,439 in the fall, is with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Raphael is sending me 26 00:01:47,439 --> 00:01:51,719 messages back and forth while I'm on the sideline work in the preseason last night, 27 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:55,760 about the fights and about the aftermath of the USK fight, which obviously 28 00:01:55,799 --> 00:01:59,200 on our timeline was Saturday afternoon. While this is going on, and you're 29 00:01:59,239 --> 00:02:01,359 like, I got no you for preseason football rapfhel you understand, this is 30 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:05,120 part of my gig. This is part of the income or whatever. A 31 00:02:05,319 --> 00:02:07,439 necessary evil. But I'm with you. Let's get to the real games. 32 00:02:07,639 --> 00:02:13,639 Let's get to the real NFL. That is a couple of weeks that while, 33 00:02:13,719 --> 00:02:16,400 of course, like most sports fans in America, I watched a lot 34 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:21,000 of NFL during the season, I'm proud to say that I think I'm not 35 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:23,240 think. I know. I haven't watched a single down a preseason football. 36 00:02:23,479 --> 00:02:28,639 We are preseason free right now. I'll read the articles about the Giants because 37 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:30,439 I follow the Giants and make sure my guys doing okay. And I might 38 00:02:30,479 --> 00:02:35,400 see a clip on you know, on TV or on so you revel in 39 00:02:35,439 --> 00:02:38,159 the fact if you hear about Dak Prescott throwing some preseason interceptions for the Cowboys, 40 00:02:38,159 --> 00:02:42,759 you'll revel in that. Even though Mauriceo Suleman will be mask you from 41 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:46,000 the WBC, Mauricio once the Cowboys to do well. But my man, 42 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:49,400 Maurico and I we definitely go back and forth Giants. We go back and 43 00:02:49,439 --> 00:02:52,120 forth about the Giants. And by the way, if I'm not mistaken, 44 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:55,919 Week one, Week one Sunday Night is Giants Cowboys. So you guys are 45 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:59,280 gonna be ready to battle here Like in a few days, I got a 46 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:02,240 whole cheer match. We go back and forth on the cowboys and giants as 47 00:03:02,319 --> 00:03:07,199 much as we go back and forth on the franchise champion and the boxing rules. 48 00:03:07,439 --> 00:03:10,000 And you did survive on the birthday. Confirm before we move on the 49 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:14,280 cake. Any cake, cupcake, no cake, ice cream, nothing for 50 00:03:14,319 --> 00:03:15,680 the birthday. We just walked on. Hello food. That was it. 51 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:21,439 Listen when you know this at our AIDS birthdays all means that you're a year 52 00:03:21,479 --> 00:03:23,319 older. I like to think it as being a year wiser. So no 53 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:29,240 elaborate parties, quiet dinner on Friday night with my wife and son. That 54 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:30,879 was pretty much it. And now the boxing and we're good with that. 55 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:35,080 Again it's the Fight Freaks to Night recap. However you have found us, 56 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:38,560 Thank you for doing so as part of the Big Fight Weekend podcast feed and 57 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:40,919 series. By the way, great interview with Jim Lampley. If they have 58 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:45,599 not heard it, go back and hear it on the previous podcast that was 59 00:03:45,639 --> 00:03:49,479 out Friday. You with Jim Lampley, who will be working with PPV dot 60 00:03:49,479 --> 00:03:53,400 Com, one of our sponsors for the Canelo Alvarez and Jamal Charlo fight. 61 00:03:53,479 --> 00:03:55,719 He will be on location doing a bunch of content for them, a bunch 62 00:03:55,719 --> 00:04:00,280 of interviews for them, and Jim talks about his career how it started. 63 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:06,280 I thought it was fascinating that basically his rise to boxing play by play prominence 64 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:10,719 was in part born out of him thinking that ABC's trying to get rid of 65 00:04:10,759 --> 00:04:13,719 me by giving me boxing because I'll hate it and I'll quit. But it 66 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,839 actually ended up being a huge, huge part of his life and career that 67 00:04:16,879 --> 00:04:21,759 he got that assignment. Here Jim and his own words tell that to Dan 68 00:04:21,879 --> 00:04:26,240 Raypheel on this podcast feed. 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I'm just gonna go straight away 78 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,600 because everybody knows Usik won to fight by knockout? Is the low blow stuff 79 00:05:03,639 --> 00:05:09,839 warranted because it is a It is still a day later. The controversy about 80 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:15,160 that fight among British fans British boxing media. Their belief is that it should 81 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:16,800 have been a knight, It should have been a knockgown. If not a 82 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:19,759 knockout, where do you come down on, Let's get British fans, British 83 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:26,240 media cry babies around the world. I mean, it was a legitimate knockdown. 84 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:28,639 I mean, just look at my Twitter feed, if your character or 85 00:05:28,759 --> 00:05:30,839 my x feed, whatever we're calling it these days. No, listen, 86 00:05:30,879 --> 00:05:34,759 all seriousness. That was a low blow. Yes, I mean, I 87 00:05:34,759 --> 00:05:38,040 don't want to lose my mind about it, because I've already done that a 88 00:05:38,079 --> 00:05:44,279 couple of times since the fight. The line of demarcation between a low blow 89 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:49,399 and a legal punch is supposed to be the navel the belly button. That 90 00:05:49,439 --> 00:05:55,319 punch, even though it was on deep within the belt line of Usk, 91 00:05:55,360 --> 00:06:00,319 which is a rather tall belt line, was clearly below the navel. If 92 00:06:00,319 --> 00:06:02,079 you took off his trunks and you saw where the shot landed, it would 93 00:06:02,079 --> 00:06:05,480 be below the navel. That is a low blow. And so Luis pub 94 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:10,759 Owne and extraordinarily experienced championship Brefory, who has been doing top level fights for 95 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:14,480 a long time, who's probably done literally hundreds of world title fights, been 96 00:06:14,519 --> 00:06:18,560 one of the most respected ring officials around for you know, quite a long 97 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:23,600 time, had a split second to make that call. I felt like he 98 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:27,279 got it right. It wasn't an egregious low blow. But one thing that 99 00:06:27,399 --> 00:06:30,600 I have gathered when I've read all the moronic comments about it that I've read 100 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:33,639 on social media is that there are is a section of people who believe that 101 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:36,399 a low blow is only when you get hitting the testicles, when you get 102 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:41,680 hit really like super south of the border, which is not face. Don't 103 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:44,120 have to get hitting the dick for it to be a low blow. That's 104 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:46,680 a lot of the podcast put that on a bumper sticker. So here's what 105 00:06:46,759 --> 00:06:53,160 we know, because Okay, I see this in the NFL and in college 106 00:06:53,199 --> 00:06:58,720 football, and it happens in other sports too. So we're gonna get anatomically 107 00:06:58,759 --> 00:07:00,920 correct with the man. You're gonna have one with me right now, I'm 108 00:07:00,959 --> 00:07:04,839 gonna have fun with this. We're not talking about the nether region. We're 109 00:07:04,879 --> 00:07:10,160 not talking about Austin Powers terminology, speaking of movies, the twicket, batteries, 110 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:14,120 the twicket note, we're not talking about that. We're talking about above 111 00:07:14,199 --> 00:07:18,879 that. Like the crotch area right above that is tender. It is vulnerable. 112 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:23,839 There's a lot of tissue there anatomically, and if you take a shot 113 00:07:24,279 --> 00:07:29,720 there a punch, if you take a tackle in football there, if you 114 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:32,800 take a baseball and you don't have a protective piece of equipment, shot, 115 00:07:33,079 --> 00:07:40,040 that is painful. And to me, his immediate reaction was, that's where 116 00:07:40,079 --> 00:07:43,600 I got hit. I did not get hit in the stomach. I got 117 00:07:43,759 --> 00:07:46,639 hit in the nether region, as we like to say in the south. 118 00:07:46,079 --> 00:07:50,480 Just above the boys is where he got hit, right above there. And 119 00:07:50,519 --> 00:07:56,240 the reaction was the verification that that's where he got hit. And there's a 120 00:07:56,279 --> 00:08:01,439 great video replay two and I know you retweeted this and half the world reexed 121 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:05,839 it, reposted it, retweeted it. Where Dubois is coming upward as with 122 00:08:05,879 --> 00:08:09,120 the punches we describe it, and that's exactly where it hit him, was 123 00:08:09,279 --> 00:08:15,199 right above the man parts. If you will. That's why was damaging because 124 00:08:15,199 --> 00:08:18,120 it was thrown in an upper cut like fashion. So it doesn't have to 125 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:22,720 be your actual you know, as you say your nether regions. It's that 126 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:26,680 area between the boys and the belly button that hurts. Yeah, and it's 127 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:30,439 not like your cup is not there. I mean, yes, you have 128 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:35,120 a weight, you have a protector. That's that may partially help that out, 129 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:37,440 but I don't think it does a whole lot. When you can we 130 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:41,399 just digress. Let me give you a personal example, and this is embarrassing, 131 00:08:41,399 --> 00:08:43,799 but I just share this with the audience. We pulled a curtain back. 132 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:46,639 I'm messing around a year or so ago with the dog. The dog's 133 00:08:46,639 --> 00:08:48,159 about a fifty year old dog. She's sweets, she's my dog, but 134 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:52,600 she's also crazy. And I'm laying on the floor and the twins are riling 135 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:56,960 the dog up, and the dog jumped on me. There the dog landed 136 00:08:56,039 --> 00:09:00,360 with two paws and full weight. There and brother. It was not a 137 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:05,080 Daniel Dubois punch, but I was down like Alexander Usik for like two minutes. 138 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:09,720 It was full I mean, just just tmi. It was painful. 139 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:13,679 And when you get hit there that's what that reaction looked like. Okay, 140 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:16,720 So here's the other thing about it as it relates to that, as soon 141 00:09:16,759 --> 00:09:18,440 as he got hit, he had the reaction that you just mentioned, which 142 00:09:18,519 --> 00:09:22,200 leads me to believe that that was legitimately a low blow as opposed to just 143 00:09:22,279 --> 00:09:26,080 a normal body punch. That's one thing. The second thing is Luis Pabone 144 00:09:26,159 --> 00:09:30,120 called it a loblow immediately, so he knew while he's sitting on the canvas 145 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:33,919 that that it's been ruled a foul accidentally fair enough. I don't think Dua 146 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:37,200 purposely hit him hit him low like that, but so he was going to 147 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:39,159 get time to recover, which the referee properly gave him. Now, I 148 00:09:39,159 --> 00:09:43,960 would submit to you that if he had started to count and did not call 149 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:46,080 it a loblow, Alexander Usik, being the proud champion that he is and 150 00:09:46,159 --> 00:09:50,679 a top professional who's been around this game a long time amateuran pro, knows 151 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:54,519 he's got ten seconds to get his ass off the deck and that he would 152 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:56,960 have probably made the greatest effort in the world to get up. And there's 153 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:58,759 nobody that can tell me he wouldn't have made it to his feet we don't 154 00:09:58,759 --> 00:10:03,159 know for sure. So the fact that he stayed down, some people are 155 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:07,120 using that as like a reason why it was a legal shot because he was 156 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:09,440 knocked out. But I'm saying you, okay, if it was a guy 157 00:10:09,799 --> 00:10:13,000 on the deck and the referees counting, good chance he gets up, I 158 00:10:13,799 --> 00:10:16,759 agree with you. You know, Frank Warren and his post fight comments, 159 00:10:16,799 --> 00:10:20,360 like he made the comment among his other comments, how much time did they 160 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:22,919 give him to get ready to get Frank shoul read the rules. He asked 161 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:26,879 five minutes and take since he took less than five minutes, so the referee 162 00:10:26,919 --> 00:10:30,440 was within There was nothing untoward there as far as I would say, cake 163 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:33,039 in the time he needed it. As long as it was within the five 164 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:35,000 minute the rule that was, that's no issue. It wasn't a matter of 165 00:10:35,279 --> 00:10:39,200 he took six minutes, eight minutes and they're suddenly letting him, you know, 166 00:10:39,279 --> 00:10:43,000 go extra time that's allowed on the case of an accidental foul like that. 167 00:10:43,039 --> 00:10:45,320 It could have been a headbut it could have been any kind of thing. 168 00:10:45,799 --> 00:10:48,000 You're allowed five minutes of recovery time, and he took quite a bit 169 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:56,919 of it. So they're making that very borderline situation into like the biggest controversy 170 00:10:56,919 --> 00:11:01,039 in the history of boxing, and they don't want to talk about the fact 171 00:11:01,039 --> 00:11:05,320 that Danga Duba got his ass kicked from pillar to post. You know, 172 00:11:05,399 --> 00:11:09,399 you could maybe give him one round. One of the official judges was generous 173 00:11:09,399 --> 00:11:11,120 and gave him two rounds. The other two gave him but one round, 174 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:15,600 which I gave him one round. But other than that, this was all 175 00:11:15,639 --> 00:11:20,720 Alexander Rusick. Better skills, better speed, better everything, better technique, 176 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:26,519 better better ring iq, better understanding of where to have the fight in the 177 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:31,600 ring. In terms of the distance, I believe maybe maybe if you had 178 00:11:31,639 --> 00:11:35,320 just the chance to line up a punch and throw one big shot, Duwa's 179 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:37,240 the better puncher, but it didn't matter in this fight because he was never 180 00:11:37,279 --> 00:11:39,879 able to land that big time shot and the other guy who's supposed to not 181 00:11:39,919 --> 00:11:43,639 be the puncher put him on his ass. Wise, yes, and let 182 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:48,960 me say this one more thing, and made him quit in essence because the 183 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:52,039 last lockdown in the ninth round not a massive punch. We'll talk about that 184 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:56,000 in just a second, but dud Ba clearly hit him with some solid shots 185 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:58,840 and could not stun him, hurt him, back him up. That was 186 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:03,879 question. We were wondering got some good They were far between though and Usik 187 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:07,240 with the jab Usik with the straight left. Do you believe on that final 188 00:12:07,279 --> 00:12:11,720 knockdown with the right to the eye that's the same eye right with the fractured 189 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:16,279 iworbital against Joe Joyce it was the left eye. I think he I don't 190 00:12:16,279 --> 00:12:18,759 know this, but I think he stung him in the same spot on the 191 00:12:18,799 --> 00:12:22,399 I orbital and that's why suddenly little delayed half second reaction he went. He 192 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:24,559 just went down and stayed down. He was hurt there again on the i 193 00:12:24,759 --> 00:12:28,720 orbital. Look like it That didn't come to my mind. I didn't notice 194 00:12:28,759 --> 00:12:33,399 exactly where the shot landed. All I know is that there was a moment. 195 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:35,039 I want to tell you it was the fourth round. Maybe I'm slightly 196 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:39,000 off. I want to say it was the fourth round where Dana dwa Land 197 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:41,759 did a really perfect right hand. Yes, if he wasn't his best right 198 00:12:41,759 --> 00:12:46,039 hand, like the devastating knockout punch or we've seen him land against lesser opponents, 199 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:50,279 but he landed a really good, clean sharp on the button right hand 200 00:12:50,519 --> 00:12:54,080 and Alexander Usi didn't blink, And I believe that that when you when you're 201 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:56,519 a fighter and you know that your money maker is that right hand, and 202 00:12:56,600 --> 00:13:00,120 you know that you're not that superior boxer, and then if you're gonna in 203 00:13:00,159 --> 00:13:01,960 this fight, points has probably not an option that you're gonna have to do 204 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:05,879 some damage with that right hand. And you land your best one or one 205 00:13:05,879 --> 00:13:09,000 of your best ones, and you're a guy that you're facing doesn't really blink, 206 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:11,600 budge, move backwards step, you know, just walks through it and 207 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:16,759 doesn't make even any kind of motion at all. You have to have it 208 00:13:16,799 --> 00:13:18,960 in your mind like I'm fucked. You know, I just landed the greatest 209 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:22,279 shot I own and I can't do anything with this guy. And so that's 210 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:26,399 got to be a little discouraging. And in terms of the knockout that you 211 00:13:26,399 --> 00:13:28,360 mentioned, whether it got hit on the eye or not, I think he 212 00:13:28,399 --> 00:13:33,639 had been breaking down physically and mentally for the previous couple of rounds and he 213 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:35,720 got hit with the right hand. Not a math I mean, and I'm 214 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:39,720 saying this for guys like you or me, or any other viewer or non 215 00:13:39,759 --> 00:13:43,080 boxer, you're gonna be in a probably in a coma if you're a professional 216 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:46,879 boxer. That was not a big time right hand the way we've seen, 217 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:50,720 and Dania Dua got to his knee, look clear eyed, was looking right 218 00:13:50,759 --> 00:13:56,440 at the referee who's counting, and he just didn't get up. You know, 219 00:13:56,639 --> 00:14:00,559 to me, he probably could have. Someone can pared it to like 220 00:14:00,639 --> 00:14:03,840 Ryan Garcia situation against Tank Davis. He made a decision not to rise. 221 00:14:03,919 --> 00:14:07,919 I don't hold it against him. Doesn't make him a bad guy, you 222 00:14:07,919 --> 00:14:11,639 know whatever. But you make that decision and you live with it, and 223 00:14:11,919 --> 00:14:15,000 you can't now spend the rest of your life complaining because you've lost every second 224 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:20,639 of the fight basically except for what was ruled at foul and you're claiming victory. 225 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:24,879 So two more on this. Number One, we don't know this as 226 00:14:24,919 --> 00:14:28,840 Sunday afternoon becomes Sunday night here. Do you believe there's going to be an 227 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:33,639 official protest in an attempt to get a rematch? And would that go anywhere? 228 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:35,840 You have a lot of expertise, You've dealt with this a bunch of 229 00:14:35,879 --> 00:14:39,559 times. What do you think about this and what might happen? Well? 230 00:14:39,679 --> 00:14:43,600 Number one, it's a judgment call by the referee and that usually will stand, 231 00:14:43,799 --> 00:14:48,000 particularly when you're an experienced referee and there's no clear evidence. Let's compare 232 00:14:48,039 --> 00:14:50,840 it to the NFL. When you have a replay that is reviewed on any 233 00:14:50,879 --> 00:14:56,039 particular play, the only way it's overturned is if there's evidence one hundred percent 234 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:58,159 to show that it should be overturned. And if they can't find one hundred 235 00:14:58,159 --> 00:15:01,080 percent evidence to over earn the call, the ruling on the field stands. 236 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:05,080 And in this case, the ruling on the field was a was a was 237 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:09,039 a a low blow and that will stand. So Frank Frank Lauren, who 238 00:15:09,039 --> 00:15:13,440 was Danga Dubua's promoter, can say we're gonna protest and the governing bodies are 239 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:16,600 gonna have to order rematch. I mean, listen, I get what Frank's 240 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:20,240 doing. He's doing what he's supposed to do. He's advocating for his guy 241 00:15:20,279 --> 00:15:24,240 to put him in the best possible situation. But I'd be very surprised if 242 00:15:24,279 --> 00:15:28,120 any of the organizations ordered an immediate rematch. I believe there will not be 243 00:15:28,159 --> 00:15:31,919 an immediate rematch. Number one, first and foremost, the IBF is next. 244 00:15:31,399 --> 00:15:37,159 They are next. That was done when they erroneously ordered the Hrgovitch fight 245 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:39,840 and then backtrack and said we are are bad. You're right, it's a 246 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:43,279 WBA that's up next. So Dua got the shot. He was the WBA 247 00:15:43,399 --> 00:15:48,200 regular champion and the mandatory that fight has been handled. Next up is the 248 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:50,440 IBF. The IBF sent a letter on August first, prior to this fight, 249 00:15:50,679 --> 00:15:56,879 prior to the recent fight that that Hergovich won by knockout, letting them 250 00:15:56,919 --> 00:16:00,240 know, hey, by the way, guys, we know if you win 251 00:16:00,639 --> 00:16:04,240 Alexander Rustik on you know the Dude Wild fight, and Hergovic, if you 252 00:16:04,279 --> 00:16:08,120 win your fight that was on the Anthony Joshua undercard, you guys both win, 253 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:11,279 we will order that fight. We got it. That fight I believe 254 00:16:11,279 --> 00:16:14,639 will be ordered in the next few days. It could be even Monday morning 255 00:16:14,759 --> 00:16:15,879 by the time people are listening to this that the letter may be out. 256 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:22,200 So the IBF is going to be the next mandatory fight. Now. It's 257 00:16:22,279 --> 00:16:25,960 conceivable, although I highly doubt it, that USA could say forget it and 258 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:27,960 he could either be stripped or vacate. But even if that happens, it's 259 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:32,080 still going to be Kargovich fighting somebody else for the vacant title. I suspect 260 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:33,519 that unless they have you know, on Usti's people, and I've talked to 261 00:16:33,519 --> 00:16:37,480 his manager. He Connelly about this a bunch of times. He says to 262 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:41,919 me that his fighter, Philip Hrgovich, does not want to step aside. 263 00:16:41,919 --> 00:16:42,960 He wants a shot at the title. He's been waiting for a while. 264 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:47,399 He won an eliminator against Zang July. He's fought again since then scored a 265 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:51,120 knockout. He wants a chance to fight for the world championship or multiple world 266 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:55,320 championships in this case. Now it's business, and if they come to them 267 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:57,440 with some kind of elaborate package and offer them a lot of money, maybe 268 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:00,799 that will change his mind. That's always a post ability. Now. The 269 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:03,519 good thing about all that situation is this TJ. It doesn't mean it's going 270 00:17:03,559 --> 00:17:07,000 to mess up the prospect of a fight against Tyson Fury, which a lot 271 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:08,359 of people I think are concerned about, like that's going to be the next 272 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:11,920 fight, because you know, then we're gonna have to go through this whole 273 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:14,839 process again. And I would say to you the following It makes a lot 274 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:17,039 of sense. If Usik is going to fight a second time this year, 275 00:17:17,519 --> 00:17:21,279 it would duke take place at the end of the year against the mandatory challenger 276 00:17:21,319 --> 00:17:23,440 in my opinion, which would be Philip Pergovich, which would not disrupt the 277 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:27,960 possibility of a Tyson Fury fight because Tyson Fury is fighting the circus fight against 278 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:33,759 Francis Nagano on October twenty eight, which means Frank I mean Tyson Fury is 279 00:17:33,799 --> 00:17:37,559 not available to fight Alexander Usik by the end of this year because he's occupied 280 00:17:37,599 --> 00:17:41,880 for October. So if you take that fight in October, you have Usik 281 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:45,720 do the mandatory against Hurgovich, which is due and will be ordered in the 282 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:48,359 near term. That fight could theoretically take place at the very end of this 283 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:52,200 year, maybe even at the very beginning of next year. The point is, 284 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:56,160 if Tyson Fury comes through that fight against Nagano, which everybody expects he 285 00:17:56,279 --> 00:17:59,599 will, and Usick, all due respect to Philip Kargovich, Whosi will be 286 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:02,519 a sign if it can favorite in that fight. If he comes through, 287 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:07,079 now the runway is clear once again to make the undisputed fight because they'll be 288 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:11,319 able to go through it without their being mandatory obligations. Even if there are, 289 00:18:11,319 --> 00:18:14,960 they can get an exception. I know the sanctioning body people would be 290 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:18,359 interested to see there being an undisputed title. It's good for the sport it's 291 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:22,240 good for uh, everybody involved, the sanctioning bodies, the fighters, the 292 00:18:22,279 --> 00:18:23,920 promoters, the managers, the fans by the way, you know, because 293 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:29,400 we're always the last you know, on that list. So that's the situation. 294 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:33,160 So there's not going to be a strong movement in my opinion, for 295 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:36,680 any of these organizations to order a rematch of a fight that was not that 296 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:40,000 big of a fight relatively speaking in the first place. Not that not that 297 00:18:40,039 --> 00:18:42,759 it was not an event because in Poland, because of ustic fighting right by 298 00:18:42,759 --> 00:18:47,400 the Ukrainian border and drawing you know, some thirty five to forty thousand, 299 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:49,920 it was a big deal. They also, by the way, the tickets 300 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:53,880 were very cheap relatively speaking. It's still impressive they get that number of people 301 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:56,680 in because they got to spend their time. But they didn't they didn't do 302 00:18:56,720 --> 00:19:00,000 a massive gate on a fight like that. And I don't believe there's really 303 00:19:00,039 --> 00:19:03,519 any appetite to see a rematch because if the fight had been more competitive, 304 00:19:03,519 --> 00:19:07,480 maybe, but it was a fucking plow out. Well, but their their 305 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:11,240 plan would be as comical as it might be, is get the WBA to 306 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:15,359 order the rematch because it should be a no contest I just don't see it. 307 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:17,160 I don't see it. You covered it well enough, good enough. 308 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:19,400 First of all, just one more thing about that the sanction body. I 309 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:22,759 mean, theoretically they can call it a no contest, but the only people 310 00:19:22,759 --> 00:19:26,759 that could officially make it a no contest would be the Polish regulators that handled 311 00:19:26,759 --> 00:19:30,359 the fight. And just for the record, I have had since the fight 312 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:36,640 took place, several messages back and forth, will go with GILBERTA. Mendoza 313 00:19:36,839 --> 00:19:41,160 discussing, you know what you think and my I didn't. He didn't say 314 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:42,480 out right, and it's not his unilateral this, So those that don't know 315 00:19:42,519 --> 00:19:45,000 this is the head of the w BA, keep going. GILBERTA. Mendoza 316 00:19:45,079 --> 00:19:48,279 was the press of the WBA exactly, so he'll he'll, he'll if there 317 00:19:48,319 --> 00:19:51,559 is an appeal, First of all, they're not gonna do anything unless there's 318 00:19:51,559 --> 00:19:55,519 not a formal appeal done. Number one. Number two, if that were 319 00:19:55,559 --> 00:19:57,160 to happen, they would do what any of these organizations do. They would 320 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:02,319 talk to their their board of governors, their directors, the people that they 321 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:06,119 that they have look at these situations review. But again I didn't ask him 322 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:07,880 out right because he'd have to go to his people. But my impression from 323 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:12,519 that back and forth with the Alberto was that there's no appetite to order this 324 00:20:12,799 --> 00:20:17,400 a rematch, and because the feeling was it was a legitimate lolo. Good 325 00:20:17,519 --> 00:20:21,200 enough. Okay. One other thing from the undercard from the voluminous you're like 326 00:20:21,279 --> 00:20:25,759 that word on a Sunday undercard that had a ton of fights is Anthony Jiggett 327 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:30,359 the lightweight fight that he had, and it's more about what happened after the 328 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:34,839 fight. Jigget fought Dennis Brynschick if I have that right, and lost by 329 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:41,720 decision in a lightweight undercard fight there at the stadium in Poland. And it 330 00:20:41,799 --> 00:20:45,440 was after the fight where Jugget had to cut over his left eye and then 331 00:20:45,519 --> 00:20:48,559 began to take to social media on one in the name of fight or safety 332 00:20:48,799 --> 00:20:52,960 is going on or not going on here? Because there's no one at the 333 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:59,599 facility at that stadium apparently medically that could close the wound, and he's asking 334 00:20:59,599 --> 00:21:02,920 for an ambulance ride to a local hospital so that he could be stitched up, 335 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:06,839 and they told him none available. He said this in a video on 336 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:10,200 social media. They told him, we don't have an ambulance available. We 337 00:21:10,279 --> 00:21:11,359 have to have the ambulance here for the rest of the card if there's a 338 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:18,160 serious injury, a life threatening injury. So Yiget went underwent for like two 339 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:21,640 hours, an ordeal of having to leave the stadium get to the hospital. 340 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:25,799 Apparently somebody did take him, but now he's got no transportation back from the 341 00:21:25,799 --> 00:21:30,119 hospital, and so I'm with him. What's going on with K two promotions 342 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:37,519 with the commission from Poland and fighter safety Because you see the cut that's over 343 00:21:37,599 --> 00:21:42,240 his eye before and after it's stitched. It's a nasty cut and he's standing 344 00:21:42,279 --> 00:21:47,720 there with gauze around his head. He looked like from the old television nighttime 345 00:21:47,839 --> 00:21:52,200 drama on CBS Mash from the Korean War the US televisions, he looked like 346 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:56,680 one of the patients and the surgery in the nineteen fifties with with the wrap 347 00:21:56,759 --> 00:22:00,119 around his head, bleeding through the rap where he's going, there's nobody here 348 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:06,359 to stitch me up? Lightness, What's up? Mash is a comedy and 349 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:07,799 a drama. We'll call it a drama. Y Yeah, one of my 350 00:22:07,839 --> 00:22:14,599 favorite shows of all. The only word that comes to mind is what I 351 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:18,079 tweeted, which is disgraceful. It is so. First of all, I'm 352 00:22:18,079 --> 00:22:19,799 not sure when you get said he had nobody to go with him or bring 353 00:22:19,839 --> 00:22:22,960 him back, Like where was this team? Like he does have a trainer, 354 00:22:22,039 --> 00:22:26,079 a cutman, somebody there with him, a manager whoever that would have 355 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:29,400 been there. Part of it. But the fact that if the fighter feels 356 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:32,279 like he needs to go to the hospital, it shouldn't even be a question. 357 00:22:32,519 --> 00:22:34,160 Now, the thing with the ambulance is absolutely ridiculous. Now in the 358 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:38,279 United States, the rule is, I believe this is the case for any 359 00:22:38,319 --> 00:22:45,640 ABC related commission or tribal commission or anything. Yeah, and you have to 360 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,160 have two ambulances on site, not one, because in the chance that somebody 361 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:52,640 else, somebody has to go to the hospital, they want to be able 362 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,759 to continue with the show because they won't allow another fight to start if there's 363 00:22:55,759 --> 00:22:57,759 not an ambulance at ring side. So if you have so, two amulances 364 00:22:57,799 --> 00:23:02,240 are there. If one of them is force him the service to take somebody 365 00:23:02,279 --> 00:23:04,440 to the hospital, the other amulets are still on site while the fight is 366 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,599 happening, So if something happens in that fight, there's another vehicle to make 367 00:23:07,599 --> 00:23:11,119 the transport. So I have no idea why on a show like this where 368 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:15,880 the perst bit that won the fight was like over eight million dollars that nobody 369 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:19,079 can afford or doesn't bother to put another ambulance in service, which might cost 370 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:22,839 you, you know, a very small amount of money in the name of 371 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,720 fighter safety, which they all want to brag and talk about, but when 372 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:27,640 it comes to brass tacks and you know, they don't really want to do 373 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:32,680 that apparently, So it's an I'm gonna use it in the language that I 374 00:23:32,799 --> 00:23:38,119 like, an absolute fucking disgrace. This fighter who gets in the ring should 375 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:41,799 be left to offend for himself. And it reminded me and this was a 376 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:48,200 terrible example on the worst things that happened. When the New York State Athletic 377 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:52,680 Commission basically told Magamet abdis Alamov, who had been checked out in the dress 378 00:23:52,759 --> 00:23:56,799 room after the fight and his team felt like he had to go to the 379 00:23:56,799 --> 00:24:00,640 hospital. They made him take a cab to like a hospital in Manhattan, 380 00:24:02,079 --> 00:24:03,119 you know, you know at night. They were like, literally, and 381 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:07,680 I've been there, I've done the same thing. Waiting outside the Madison Square 382 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:11,279 Garden theater trying to hail a cab at one o'clock in the morning. It 383 00:24:11,279 --> 00:24:14,960 ain't easy number one. And meanwhile, the guy's got a fucking brain injury. 384 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,920 He's vomiting on the street. No Cabby wants that picked that up and 385 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:22,480 take him to the hospital. So that is a disgraceful situation, you know, 386 00:24:22,559 --> 00:24:26,359 and KAY two and their Polish partners and the commission there should absolutely be 387 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:30,279 ashamed of themselves and be very fortunate and happy that while the terrible situation, 388 00:24:30,279 --> 00:24:33,640 at least Anthony Egott was not in a life threatening situation. But it shouldn't 389 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:38,359 take that to get a fucking ride to the hospital. Well said, what 390 00:24:38,599 --> 00:24:42,599 is going on there? And where's the accountability and where is fighter safety at 391 00:24:42,599 --> 00:24:48,160 the forefront of this. Okay, let's move on to the Top Rank show 392 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:53,880 Top Rank ESPN also Oklahoma where okay, we had like the reincarnation speaking of 393 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:57,920 low blows, all you Brits that you want to talk about low blow this 394 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,839 low blow that we had a low blow festival in the co feature fight which 395 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,400 was John God almighty, how many I lost track? It was fifteen low 396 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:11,640 blows twenty seven. The Brits watched that show on the sky on Sky Sports 397 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:15,200 because Top Ranks events air there. Uh, huh, so that was the 398 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:18,839 festival. That was a low blow festival and a DQ so that was low 399 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:22,160 blows. And then Jared Real Big Baby Anderson takes to the ring and I 400 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:29,839 believe Reeves had the KO and he got the ko over Rudinko barrage of punches 401 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,480 and gets the stop. Is your thoughts on the Top Rank card? And 402 00:25:32,559 --> 00:25:37,519 Jared Real Big Baby Anderson did himself some favors and he's got himself back now 403 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:41,279 on the track with a big knockout with some comnum. There's my thoughts. 404 00:25:41,279 --> 00:25:42,880 What are your thoughts? I'm going to start with the undercard fight, which 405 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:47,559 is the other heavyweight fight that you mentioned between Fat Jagba and Zan Kosaboutski, 406 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,640 who was supposed to actually be the opponent for Jared Anderson in July, but 407 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:53,240 because of his visa problems, he didn't make it, so they put in 408 00:25:53,559 --> 00:25:56,720 Charles Martin in his place, and then when he was able to get the 409 00:25:56,839 --> 00:25:59,319 visa, they decided, you know what, let's switch it up and we'll 410 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:03,680 have him fight fa job. But so Kostaboutski, who had actually a co 411 00:26:03,799 --> 00:26:07,839 promotional agreement recently signed with Top Rank. I hope they released him that piece 412 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,920 of shit. The way that he conducted himself in that fight was absolutely shameful, 413 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:15,079 almost as shameful as not given Anthony, you get an ambulance try at 414 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:19,559 the hospital in Poland. So he just came to get a find a way 415 00:26:19,599 --> 00:26:22,279 out. When he found the fact that this guy I had job but who's 416 00:26:22,319 --> 00:26:26,599 a very very big man six foot six, you know, two hundred and 417 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,240 thirty six thirty seven pounds, with a very stiff, long jab and good 418 00:26:30,279 --> 00:26:34,759 power. He didn't like what he was getting and so he started the foul 419 00:26:34,839 --> 00:26:40,119 repeatedly early in the fight, got worn multiple times. It wasn't like he 420 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,720 suddenly got a point taking away. The referee actually was very judicious in doing 421 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:47,079 what he did. Chris Flores was the referee. I thought he handled it 422 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:52,599 very well. He was hitting in not just like low like accidental or you 423 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:56,200 know, straying below the belt. He was he was hitt him with dick 424 00:26:56,279 --> 00:27:00,720 shots in the boys under the cup like bad low lad low blow. So 425 00:27:00,079 --> 00:27:06,079 ultimately he got two points taken away after multiple warnings, and then when he 426 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:07,920 when he when that was for two separate incidents, and then when he hit 427 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,519 him a low a third time. I thought the referee Chris Floris showed great 428 00:27:11,599 --> 00:27:15,599 restraint. He gave him another hard warning and he didn't take another point. 429 00:27:17,279 --> 00:27:22,240 And now you get into the fourth round and they're in close, and he 430 00:27:22,319 --> 00:27:26,799 doesn't just throw another low blow. The referee's looking right at him. He 431 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,759 sees the referee looking right at him. He hits faa job but with two 432 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,039 left hands in the dick and he went down on the canvas. And what 433 00:27:34,079 --> 00:27:37,279 are you gonna do at that point? You gotta you gotta disqualify him. 434 00:27:37,319 --> 00:27:41,920 That was a mentally weak fighter who didn't like what he was getting in return 435 00:27:42,319 --> 00:27:47,039 quitting finding a way out. It was exactly the kind of ship that did 436 00:27:47,079 --> 00:27:48,839 against a vander Holyfield. When he did him on the ear. He was 437 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,400 mentally broken. He didn't want anymore. He quit. I hope he's banned. 438 00:27:52,599 --> 00:27:57,680 I never want to see the motherfucker again. Uh yeah. And you 439 00:27:57,799 --> 00:28:00,839 feel bad for a jog Buck because he's trying to get the win and you 440 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,599 got a guy just fallon him and fallon him and fallon him. And that 441 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,039 was the right thing. Yeah, But Jock was hit him with some good 442 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,759 right hands. If he doesn't get hit below the belt that many times in 443 00:28:10,759 --> 00:28:12,440 a fight continues I believe a Jogu was going to knock him out somewhere in 444 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,279 the middle of that ten round fight, and no without in my mind. 445 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,839 Uh so, you know, unfortunately he didn't get a chance to shine, 446 00:28:19,039 --> 00:28:22,680 but he gets to win, you know, uh and loses some of his 447 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:29,279 manhood in the process. Unfortunately. Well oh so so you have this and 448 00:28:29,519 --> 00:28:33,000 again they were relating it Joe Tessa Tour, Tim Bradley, Mark Kriegel, 449 00:28:33,039 --> 00:28:36,240 and Kriegel said, I was there that night for Galata and Bow, and 450 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:40,200 it was very similar. I think part of it is too I'm not making 451 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:45,960 an excuse. Part of it is too you're just not competent and you're you're 452 00:28:45,079 --> 00:28:48,200 lazy and you're not even trying and then made There were a couple of times 453 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:52,160 where a Jogba also I think, had paid him back. So now he's 454 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,000 trying to pay a jog Ba back again with another low blow. But it 455 00:28:55,079 --> 00:28:57,519 was a lot like Galat on Bow, where he just repeatedly couldn't keep from 456 00:28:57,559 --> 00:29:03,759 hitting him low and then he was intentional. You've lost two points, which 457 00:29:03,799 --> 00:29:07,000 is a lot in a ten round fight, right, the referee is getting 458 00:29:07,039 --> 00:29:11,240 you multiple hard warnings. At what point, at some point, if you're 459 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:15,160 gonna keep doing it, the referee has got no choice but to disqualify you. 460 00:29:15,359 --> 00:29:18,680 This is not a quick hook. The referee was a little over a 461 00:29:18,759 --> 00:29:23,160 judicious or anything like. This was the absolute epitome of when you disqualify a 462 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:27,079 fighter. They could show that fourth round, you know, at a at 463 00:29:27,079 --> 00:29:32,680 a seminar where they give referees instruction as far as let's talk a little bit 464 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:34,240 about yeah, let's get to that the real big baby. Let's go. 465 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,119 So the real big baby, you know, good for him back in the 466 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:41,039 ring just two months after that very tough fight against Charles Martin, a fight 467 00:29:41,079 --> 00:29:45,839 where he scored a knockdown and one going away on the scorecards, but was 468 00:29:45,559 --> 00:29:49,240 a situation where a lot of people were like, very very underwhelmed, kind 469 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,759 of took a step back in the minds of some people of where he is 470 00:29:52,799 --> 00:29:56,519 as an upper coomer. I can look at it both positively and negatively. 471 00:29:56,799 --> 00:30:00,640 Whereas on the one hand, you know, just you overcame some adversity in 472 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,599 that fifth round. On the other hand, while you shouldn't have been in 473 00:30:03,599 --> 00:30:06,880 that situation in the first place, but he took on a noted tough guy 474 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,400 in Rodenko who had been the distance with tons of good guys. Not a 475 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,440 big winner necessarily, but in six of his loss or five of his losses 476 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:18,359 against the Zang July and Lucas Brown and Huey Fury and Alexander Povetkin and your 477 00:30:18,359 --> 00:30:22,240 boy Adjicabayell, he had gone the distance now and he got stopped one time, 478 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:26,680 you know, a couple of years ago against an undefeated up and comer 479 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:30,240 who was a top amateur. So you know, that's a pretty good roster 480 00:30:30,319 --> 00:30:33,200 when you're trying to get the guy rounds and get him experienced. So you 481 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:37,799 know, Rodenko toughest nails, as they say, toughest old shoe leather, 482 00:30:38,599 --> 00:30:41,400 took a ton of punishment. You want to talk about body shots that we 483 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:45,400 talked about in terms of usk and in that fight and what happened, and 484 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:49,559 then of course what happened in the Jaga Coos of Bootski fight Big Baby Anderson. 485 00:30:49,559 --> 00:30:52,880 He kept his punches up above the belt and he landed according to copy 486 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:57,559 box seventy two body shots in that is a mass of a massive amount of 487 00:30:57,599 --> 00:31:02,279 output at the body. And I dare say that our good friend Andre Ridenko 488 00:31:02,319 --> 00:31:04,680 is gonna be pissing blood for the next few days because he took an exorbitant 489 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:08,200 amount of tween shots of the body and Tammis Gretti never went down, he 490 00:31:08,279 --> 00:31:11,640 stayed up. He was willing to fight. But you know, the referee 491 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:15,359 at some point that you know Jared Anderson's unloading literally accounted. It was close 492 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,240 to like forty unanswered shots now and not every one of them landed, and 493 00:31:18,279 --> 00:31:21,480 not every one of them was a huge shot, but it was like forty 494 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:26,240 shots head and body, and the referee probably probably me, my twins, 495 00:31:26,319 --> 00:31:27,880 your son, we could have all seen this is over. I got to 496 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:32,400 stop this fight because he's not firing back, he's not holding him, he's 497 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,400 he's not trying to defend himself that much, or that he had the guard 498 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,759 up. But I mean he's getting teed off on it. That's how people 499 00:31:37,799 --> 00:31:41,839 get hurt too, by the way, so rightful stoppage. So the logical 500 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,359 follow up is what's next and how soon they were saying on the broadcast, 501 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:49,160 he might be he wants to be back. He might be back like end 502 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,680 of October, early November, depending on what they can work out. What 503 00:31:52,839 --> 00:31:56,400 is your thought? What do you here? No I talked to Top Rank 504 00:31:56,440 --> 00:32:00,359 about it earlier on Sunday, and absolutely the plan is if Jared wants to 505 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,119 do it, then you'll see him back in the ring, probably in that 506 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,759 November December time frame. Without question, he will get another fight in this 507 00:32:05,839 --> 00:32:07,640 year. Uh, you know it's not that. No, there's no decisions 508 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,799 made on what card he'll be on or what who opponent he'll be. There 509 00:32:10,839 --> 00:32:15,759 was a mention on the post fight program on ESPM plus that perhaps he would 510 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:21,880 that Jared was his desire would be to fight on a Shakoor Stevenson undercard in 511 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:23,799 November, which is what the rough idea for his next fight would be. 512 00:32:23,839 --> 00:32:28,920 Their good buddies, and that would be fine by me certainly. So that's 513 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,559 that's not a bad spot form but that'll that'll be figured out in due time. 514 00:32:31,599 --> 00:32:36,039 But yeah, I think based on that performance and Jared's desire to be 515 00:32:36,079 --> 00:32:37,599 active, that you'll see him back before the end of this year without question. 516 00:32:38,799 --> 00:32:45,759 Perfect segue mighty one. Because you mentioned Shakoor Stevenson and the WBC has 517 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,680 ordered his next fighting, you're saying that Jared real big baby Anderson might be 518 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:51,920 part of that card. Maybe maybe not? All right, tell me more 519 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,319 about what the WBC's ordered. Well, I mean, the fact that Shakur 520 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:59,240 was ordered to do a fight is not in any way of surprise, because 521 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,920 he has been the mandatory ever since he beat the fighter Yoshino in his most 522 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,599 recent fight. The question was would they be able to make a title fight 523 00:33:06,599 --> 00:33:08,880 against Devin Haney. They aren't. Haney told the WC wanted to go up 524 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:13,599 and wait. They made him the champion in recess and vacated the title. 525 00:33:13,839 --> 00:33:16,240 So now the WBC lightweight beltas vacant, and they go down the list of 526 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:20,519 opponents. Shakoor is number one. He's the one fighter in the one side 527 00:33:20,519 --> 00:33:22,799 of the half of the fight, and other guys for different reasons turned it 528 00:33:22,839 --> 00:33:27,000 down. For example, Isaac Cruz was ahead of him. The feeling is 529 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,119 he's probably gonna wind up in a rematch against Tirvan to Tank Davis. Others 530 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:34,960 pass on that fight also, and they got down to Frank Martin. Frank 531 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,680 Martin is the undefeated fighter, and so that's the order that's been made. 532 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:44,359 So now they have until they'll like September fifth to make a deal or they'll 533 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,200 order a purse bid. And so at this point you got a top rank, 534 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:52,680 which promotes Shakoor and TGB Promotions and the folks at PBC who work with 535 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:57,079 Frank Martin, they will they will go through that process and we'll see if 536 00:33:57,079 --> 00:34:00,559 they can make the fight. If they can make a deal and Top Rank 537 00:34:00,599 --> 00:34:05,559 is going to promote the event, then Shakur will obviously a headline probably you 538 00:34:05,599 --> 00:34:07,799 know, an ESPN card in November. Top Rank would like to do it. 539 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,320 I think it's a Thursday night in early November, which is the weekend 540 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:14,840 when the Formula One race comes to Las Vegas, which is a huge sports 541 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:16,880 weekend for that city. You know, if it goes to a purse bit 542 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,440 and let's say you know, the TGB PBC side wins it, then a 543 00:34:20,519 --> 00:34:22,679 you know, a different matter. They've got dates that they're going to be 544 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:28,119 doing in the fall. I would suspect that it'll wind up doing if they 545 00:34:28,159 --> 00:34:30,519 make the match, that Frank will fight on the ESPN card. I believe 546 00:34:30,559 --> 00:34:32,920 they have, you know, probably a little more money in their budget to 547 00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:36,679 do that kind of fight. But it's a good matchup. It's two young, 548 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,039 undefeated fighters, two top contenders in that weight class. You know, 549 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:44,480 I'll respect to Frank Martin. It's hard to pick against Shakur against any lightweight 550 00:34:44,599 --> 00:34:49,000 right now, frankly, but I know Frank Martin is hungry for that kind 551 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,599 of fight. That'll be a good matchup. I'd be happy to see it. 552 00:34:51,199 --> 00:34:53,079 The Ghost can fight, sign me up. I would like to see 553 00:34:53,079 --> 00:34:58,840 that as well. So we'll see what happens there. For the for the 554 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,039 lightweight title is chak He's already got world championships in a couple of other divisions. 555 00:35:02,679 --> 00:35:07,239 Let's keep moving along with the news and then anything else. The other 556 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:08,960 fighter that decided to pass on the fight because he didn't want to fight the 557 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:14,400 rest there was also in those rankings right behind any was Lomachenko, you know, 558 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,480 which would have been Machenko was in person at the as you would expect 559 00:35:17,559 --> 00:35:22,280 his good friend Usik at the Usik fight in Poland by the other night. 560 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:27,280 And there's there's some belief would he retire? You buy that on Lomachenko, 561 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,239 You think he's gonna keep fighting. I would be shocked that he didn't have 562 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,119 at least one more, all right. But the main point though, is 563 00:35:32,159 --> 00:35:37,519 he didn't want to fight the rest of this year. Yeah. So, 564 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:38,400 and by the way, the fact that he was at the Music fight, 565 00:35:38,519 --> 00:35:44,079 it's not a surprised They're literally best friends. All right, So keeping it 566 00:35:44,119 --> 00:35:47,239 with the European theme, we did get word as we put the podcast to 567 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:51,400 bed, we put the bet Us show to bed. Oh, by the 568 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:57,280 way, it comes out that Robert Helenius failed a VADA test for performance enhancing 569 00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:00,159 drugs that was taken immediately prior to the Joshua Will fight. Remember he was 570 00:36:00,199 --> 00:36:04,119 a late replacement, only came in the week of the fight, had fought 571 00:36:04,119 --> 00:36:07,320 the previous weekend. All right, what do you make of this, because 572 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:12,960 here we go again with another Matchroom show and another controversy involving a failed drug 573 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,519 test with one of their fighters and one of their fights. Well, number 574 00:36:15,519 --> 00:36:17,880 one, Hellenius is not a match room fighter. I don't blame matchrom at 575 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:21,880 all, so that's not even on the agenda. I think they got him 576 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,199 because Dylan White failed the test. I say it now, we should see 577 00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:29,960 Jillian White against Robert Allennieus'm all on whever, you know, let him fight 578 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,159 to the death. Okay, Look, Helennius, he got caught. I 579 00:36:32,159 --> 00:36:36,480 mean he had fought a fight of the week before in Finland, where in 580 00:36:36,519 --> 00:36:37,880 a small fight like that in a place like Finland, I'm pretty sure the 581 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:42,599 drug testing was not super stringent, and in a situation on the card like 582 00:36:42,639 --> 00:36:45,239 this with Anthony Joshua where it may not be perfect, but there's certainly more 583 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:50,599 drug testing than there isn't a small club card in Finland. You know, 584 00:36:50,639 --> 00:36:52,559 he got caught, you know, and of course, like they all do, 585 00:36:52,639 --> 00:36:54,039 we came out with a bullshit statement. You know. I'm like, 586 00:36:54,079 --> 00:36:58,400 it's like in Casablanca, there's gambling. I'm shocked in a casino shocked. 587 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,199 So just another dirty fighter. It's disappointing. But you know what, as 588 00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:05,880 I wrote, it didn't help because he got knocked the fuck out. Yeah, 589 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:10,519 he got beat anyway. So procedurally, is he now suspended pending appeal 590 00:37:10,599 --> 00:37:14,159 and for how long or do we even know that or what is the next 591 00:37:14,159 --> 00:37:17,199 step for test? No, I mean the British Board will go through its 592 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:22,000 process and uh and they'll and they'll do their business. Now, they also 593 00:37:22,639 --> 00:37:24,159 sometimes take a long time for these things, as we've seen with the whole 594 00:37:24,159 --> 00:37:28,840 connor Ben situation. We've seen him with plenty of incidents. Dylan White is 595 00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:30,159 another one. But yeah, we don't don't think we're gonna be seen. 596 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:35,039 Robert Leneys in the ring anytime soon. And by and by the way, 597 00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,960 good for that. And by the way, it shouldn't be smirched Anthony Joshua. 598 00:37:39,039 --> 00:37:42,360 He did what he did and we'll see what he happens to do next. 599 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:46,559 But it just brings more controversy a client continues for a guy that a 600 00:37:46,599 --> 00:37:51,119 lot of people are down on, like Anthony Joshua. You got Allenniyus testing 601 00:37:51,159 --> 00:37:53,320 positive getting ready for that fight. You got Dylian White getting down side of 602 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:57,199 the fights for testing positive. Go back to when he was coming to the 603 00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,280 United States for his defense against Jerald Big Pharmacy, he got downside of the 604 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:04,119 fight for failing for like about five or six different substances. I mean, 605 00:38:04,159 --> 00:38:09,719 can anybody fight Anthony Joshua queen? Good question rhetorically, Uh what else on 606 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:17,719 the news here he called Martinez, former two division world champion, is apparently 607 00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:21,119 going to hang him up. And you want to talk a little bit about 608 00:38:21,159 --> 00:38:24,559 this because you were you were ringside for one of his bigger bouts. So 609 00:38:24,599 --> 00:38:28,119 what about this news Well, I don't I don't want to talk about it 610 00:38:28,159 --> 00:38:30,679 just because I was at the fight where he won the junior featherweight title. 611 00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:32,719 I want to talk about him because he's one of those great warriors that help 612 00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:36,360 makes the sport go around. A guy that was fearless, a guy that 613 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,199 was a road warrior, a guy that fought everybody, a guy that won 614 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,440 some a guy that lost them, a guy that turned in some big upsets. 615 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:44,360 I won two world titles, and you need guys like that in this 616 00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:45,719 sport. He fought everybody. He was a credit to the to the business. 617 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:50,400 You know. He doesn't finish with a great record forty four twelve losses, 618 00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,000 two draws, thirty one knockouts. Not going to be in Hall of 619 00:38:52,039 --> 00:38:55,280 Fame, but probably over the last you know, twenty five years, let's 620 00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:58,599 say, one of the better pros that have come out of his country of 621 00:38:58,679 --> 00:39:01,639 Spain. He had a long career, you know, term pro. In 622 00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:05,559 two thousand and four, last fight was in April, fought on on one 623 00:39:05,559 --> 00:39:07,440 of the big shows in Japan on a world title undercard, on the top 624 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:12,800 rank prompt the United States on ESPM plus and lost the decision. But he 625 00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,239 made a video and he you know, basically thanked everybody for everything, and 626 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:20,199 guests is leaving with his health. Good for him. But the fight that 627 00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:23,840 you mentioned in twenty thirteen, he challenged the heavy favorite Jonathan Romero for the 628 00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:27,840 IBF title at one hundred and twenty two pounds. That was at the what 629 00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,159 used to be called the Rebel Casino in Atlantic City, which I covered. 630 00:39:30,159 --> 00:39:36,119 The main event was a Darren Barker middleway title fight against Daniel Gale. Anyway, 631 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,880 Keiko Martinez went into that fight as nobody expected anything, and he didn't 632 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,960 just win the fight, but he stopped Romero in the sixth round, and 633 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,920 it was a glorious celebration for him at his team. I remember like the 634 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:49,360 emotion that he and his guys had after that fight. So that was a 635 00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,679 big win for him, and you know, and he went on. He 636 00:39:51,679 --> 00:39:52,960 thought some other guys lost, usually against the best guys. But when he 637 00:39:53,000 --> 00:40:00,840 got a chance as the hand picked opponent to make for the homecoming title defense 638 00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:04,639 of Kid Galahad in his hometown of Sheffield, thing on a hand picked Chico 639 00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:07,360 thinking it's a soft touch, and he didn't just win, but he knocked 640 00:40:07,519 --> 00:40:10,360 Galahad out with one punch to win the IBF featherweight title. Now he didn't 641 00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:14,199 hold it very long because four months later he lost it to Josh Warrington. 642 00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,199 But that was a glorious moment for him also to win a second world title 643 00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:19,719 at that age when he was already left for dead. But let me just 644 00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:21,440 give you a couple of guys that he fought. Now, he didn't win 645 00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,800 all these fights obviously, you know, he had the two big wins against 646 00:40:24,079 --> 00:40:30,760 Galahad and Romero for a title wins. He fought Leo Santa Cruz. He 647 00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:35,159 fought Scott Quick, he fought Carl Frampton, he fought Hazzomi Hasegawa, an 648 00:40:35,159 --> 00:40:38,400 excellent title holder from Japan. He fought Gary Russell Jr. He fought other 649 00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:42,760 guys. Also, this was a fighter who just fought everybody. So I 650 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,480 think when somebody liked that retires again, he not be in the Hall of 651 00:40:45,519 --> 00:40:47,039 Fame someday. But you gotta get him this dude. You gotta tip your 652 00:40:47,079 --> 00:40:51,679 cap and say congratulations on a hell of a career that exceeded everybody's expectations. 653 00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:53,000 I hope he saved some of his money. I'm glad to see that he 654 00:40:53,119 --> 00:40:58,119 says he's healthy and may he have a wonderful retirement. But again, that 655 00:40:58,159 --> 00:41:00,119 was a shocking upset of Galahad, and he got him another good payday in 656 00:41:00,159 --> 00:41:02,880 the fight with Warrington as it turns out, so you're right at the end 657 00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:06,719 of his career. Anything can truly happen. One more quick note and then 658 00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:10,320 some nostalgia. Heimi Mongia making a change to the team in the corner, 659 00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:15,079 what have we learned? And morph it into will we see him before the 660 00:41:15,159 --> 00:41:19,000 end of this year? For the love of God? Is he getting back 661 00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:22,079 in the ring? What's going what's going on here with Heimi Mongia? Well, 662 00:41:22,159 --> 00:41:25,519 Heimimugia had been training for the last four years with the Mexican countrymen, 663 00:41:25,559 --> 00:41:30,079 the great Hall of Famer Eric Morales, and they have parted ways, not 664 00:41:30,119 --> 00:41:32,880 because there was any from what I am told, there was not a negative 665 00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:37,000 situation. It was a matter that Eric Morales has lots of other things that 666 00:41:37,039 --> 00:41:40,079 he's working with. He's involved with some politics and with one of the sports 667 00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:44,800 institutes in Mexico where he lives, and he's devoting a lot of time to 668 00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:46,840 that and really just didn't have the time to devote that you need to devote 669 00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:51,320 if you're going to train a guy like Kaimomghia. So Mungi is now in 670 00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,239 the in the very capable hands of the Hall of Fame trainer Freddie Roach, 671 00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:59,559 in southern California, so he is now being trained by Freddie which probably will 672 00:41:59,559 --> 00:42:00,559 be good for or. I'm also Morales, I guess did a pretty good 673 00:42:00,599 --> 00:42:04,199 job with him. He stayed undefeated with him forty twent ol though didn't really 674 00:42:04,199 --> 00:42:08,119 fight anybody of consequence other than Devin Chenko in a really tough fight. And 675 00:42:08,159 --> 00:42:10,440 as far as what's going to be next, I mean, whether he's being 676 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:14,199 trained by Eric Rowles, he's being trained by Freddie Roach or being trained by 677 00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:19,320 you. There's trying, there's conversations. There are attempts to make for the 678 00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,519 end of this year a fight between Heimi Mungi excuse me and edwar Berlanga. 679 00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:27,320 Whether they can actually get that done remains to be seen. I know both 680 00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:30,599 sides have told me, guess we want the fight. The question is how 681 00:42:30,679 --> 00:42:35,000 much is the zone going to pay for it and will it be acceptable to 682 00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:39,119 the boxers? Always the questions, But again, Mongia has not been active 683 00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:45,000 nearly enough, hasn't had a title fighting forever. That would be an interesting 684 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,320 fight. If they can make that one happen, we'll see. But if 685 00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,599 that's not a title fight, that's just a good matchup on fight. I 686 00:42:50,639 --> 00:42:53,039 mean, who wouldn't want to watch that, and obviously right now, neither 687 00:42:53,079 --> 00:42:57,079 one of them are going to get near Canelo Lvarez in the near future. 688 00:42:57,119 --> 00:43:00,920 It doesn't look like so why not have an intriguing Hey, what a concept 689 00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:06,239 to have an intriguing contender fight against somebody else it's undefeated that we might want 690 00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:08,639 to watch. Let's wrap it up on the recap with some nostalgia and a 691 00:43:08,639 --> 00:43:15,760 happy birthday for a Hall of Fame fighter enlighten us. A few days ago 692 00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:19,440 was the fiftieth birthday of the great Mexican fighter, the Hall of Fame champion 693 00:43:19,519 --> 00:43:22,280 Wan Danuel Marquess, part of the half century Club with us. Now there 694 00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:27,320 you go exactly. So you know, we usually go over like fights that 695 00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,719 are on anniversaries. When we discuss our nostalgia segment. Late August is not 696 00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:35,000 conducive to that. There's not a lot of fights at that time. A 697 00:43:35,039 --> 00:43:38,079 lot of people take the time off. We did discuss the Connor McGregor Floyd 698 00:43:38,119 --> 00:43:43,760 Mayweather fight recently, that was this week six years ago. But Marquees turned 699 00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:46,079 fifty years old and kind of like we did with Kiko Martinez, give him 700 00:43:46,079 --> 00:43:49,440 the shout out. Now he is not a Hall of Famer like Marquees, 701 00:43:49,519 --> 00:43:52,519 but Marquez is one of the best fighters we've seen of the last you know, 702 00:43:52,599 --> 00:43:54,920 several decades, a pound for pound stalwart, a guy who fought everybody 703 00:43:55,079 --> 00:43:58,679 who you know. Interestingly, earlier in his career, when he was on 704 00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:00,880 the rise, nobody wanted to fight him. Prince Nasim Ahmed one of my 705 00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:05,360 favorite fighters. I got a knock him for this. He ducked him relentlessly 706 00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,360 in the WBO let him get away with it. But eventually, when one 707 00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,079 Daniel Marquez got his chance to fight for a world title, he won. 708 00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:15,000 He became a title holder in four different weight classes, from featherweight up to 709 00:44:15,079 --> 00:44:17,719 junior welterweight. Obviously, he's been involved in one of the greatest rivalries in 710 00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:22,280 the history of the sport between him and Nanny Packyo. Four fights, all 711 00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:28,039 of them classics, all of them outstanding, and even though in officially he 712 00:44:28,159 --> 00:44:30,760 was one win, two losses and one draw, you can make a very 713 00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:35,000 very legit argument that he should be four and oh in those four fights. 714 00:44:35,039 --> 00:44:37,760 And of course, even though he went one, two and one, the 715 00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,320 one that everybody remembers most clearly as him putting many Pako out with one punch 716 00:44:40,639 --> 00:44:45,320 in the fourth and final fight in the morn of the Motion. I mean, 717 00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:47,480 that was the knockout of not only the knockout of the year, but 718 00:44:47,519 --> 00:44:52,239 the knockout of the two thousands, you know, and in the way he 719 00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,239 handled that. But you know, look at the guys he fought, Floyd 720 00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:59,159 Mayweather well first of all, Manny Pachyo four times, Floyd Mayweather, Marco 721 00:44:59,199 --> 00:45:04,840 Antonio Brera, Timothy Bradley, Joel Cassamayor Lands, Michael Casitas, Mike Alvarado, 722 00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,760 there are others. Manuel Medina, I mean, you can go on 723 00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:09,599 down the line. He fought a lot of top guys. Unfortunately, in 724 00:45:09,639 --> 00:45:15,280 twenty fourteen, he defeated Mike Alvarado. And before that fight he came he 725 00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:20,440 came into that fight with a slightly injured knee. He injured the knee worst 726 00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:22,320 in the fight and it could just never overcome the injury. He wanted to 727 00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:27,039 continue to fight. I was actually at that fight in California, and so 728 00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:29,719 after a lot of talk, I'm gonna come back, I'm gonna try, 729 00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:31,400 you know, he just couldn't do it. So he retires after a twenty 730 00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:36,280 one year career fifty six win seven losses, one draw, forty knockouts, 731 00:45:36,559 --> 00:45:39,079 Hall of Fame induction on the first ballot. I can say, uh, 732 00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:44,599 my, all of my interactions with him were first class. A very humble 733 00:45:44,679 --> 00:45:47,719 and nice guy. I had the opportunity in my career to cover fourteen fights 734 00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:51,880 of his at ringside, all of the big ones for the most part, 735 00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:55,440 and some smaller ones. But a great fighter. And you know, for 736 00:45:55,519 --> 00:46:00,360 many many years in the two thousands, in the early two thousand tens, 737 00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:04,360 it was always you know, Morales and Brera and pak Yo, because those 738 00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,679 those guys were doing their battles. But Marquees forced himself into that conversation of 739 00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:13,079 the foursome and other than pak Yo, even though you know he did not 740 00:46:13,159 --> 00:46:15,719 come out, but he lost twice. Also, you can argue that at 741 00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:20,519 least among his countrymen, between Morales, Herrera and Marques, that Markues might 742 00:46:20,599 --> 00:46:22,559 rank the highest of those three guys. You know, him and Morales never 743 00:46:22,559 --> 00:46:25,000 got a chance to fight each other for different reasons. It always pissed me 744 00:46:25,039 --> 00:46:29,559 off, but you know they didn't. We're not able to complete that round 745 00:46:29,599 --> 00:46:31,519 robin. But Mark has just one of the one of the great fighters. 746 00:46:31,599 --> 00:46:37,679 Power, great counterpunching, solid defense, a big balls and a big heart 747 00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:40,119 and just just a joy to watch and a joy to cover. Shout out 748 00:46:40,199 --> 00:46:45,159 to him. Happy birthday, Happy birthday to him. Two more birthdays, 749 00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:49,519 by the way. On Tuesday, it will be Marlin Starling's sixty fourth birthday. 750 00:46:49,599 --> 00:46:54,639 Former two time world welterweight champion also Timothy Bradley, is forty. I 751 00:46:54,679 --> 00:47:00,000 can't believe that on Tuesday, on August twenty ninth, nineteen eighty three, 752 00:47:00,199 --> 00:47:01,920 he was born. And I got one more piece of nostalgia for you, 753 00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:06,440 Ray. Feel for all these people that want to apologize for guys that are 754 00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:13,559 fighting once a year twice in two years. On Tuesday is the anniversary of 755 00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,400 Sugar Ray Robinson, the legend one of the greatest fighters of all time. 756 00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:21,440 Beating your boy, Ray Feel, Flashy Sebastian, that's the guy's fame. 757 00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:27,159 He beat Flashy Sebastian on August twenty ninth, nineteen forty seven. Sugar Ray 758 00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:30,639 Robinson was twenty six years old. He knocked out Flashy Sebastian your Boy in 759 00:47:30,679 --> 00:47:36,880 the first round. That was his eightieth pro win as a twenty six year 760 00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:40,920 old. He won for the eightieth time in nineteen forty seven on Tuesdays. 761 00:47:42,519 --> 00:47:45,440 How about that. I know we talked about inactivity of fighters, but it's 762 00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:50,000 just a different time. Though nobody understand right, nobody needs to have that 763 00:47:50,039 --> 00:47:53,840 many fights. But for the argument that you can't fight two or three times 764 00:47:53,840 --> 00:48:00,000 in a year, my man Sugar Ray Robinson fought eighty times six years of 765 00:48:00,079 --> 00:48:02,960 age. Start doing the math on how many fights that is every year. 766 00:48:04,039 --> 00:48:07,000 It's just a different sport now when you look at the guys. You know, 767 00:48:07,039 --> 00:48:08,360 it used to be pretty commonplace when you look at some of the top 768 00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:12,880 matchups where fighters would have fifty and sixty fights. Now you can count on 769 00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,760 just you know, a few fingers. I guess of top guys around that 770 00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:17,920 are at that. You know, Canelos now past sixty fights? I was 771 00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:22,280 just doing a thing, uh, not that long ago. Sergio Martinez, 772 00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:24,079 who's you know, had retired but had come out of retirement, has won 773 00:48:24,079 --> 00:48:27,719 a few fights in a row since then. It is coming back, you 774 00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,719 know, he's into the into the fifty plus, maybe close to sixty fights 775 00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:34,960 now. But there's just not that many guys, that's right, all right, 776 00:48:35,199 --> 00:48:38,199 that have that. I mean, it's just and it's not necessary because 777 00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:40,239 the money is better now. A lot of you know, when Ray Robinson 778 00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:43,199 was fighting some of those fights, he was doing because he need the money. 779 00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:45,559 Like a lot of you were winning so easily, it wouldn't that big 780 00:48:45,559 --> 00:48:47,639 of a deal to keep getting the right And you want to confirm you were 781 00:48:47,639 --> 00:48:52,239 not ringside for Sugar Ray Robinson and Flashy Sebastian because it was nineteen forty seven, 782 00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,679 right after the war. All right, with that, I believe that 783 00:48:55,760 --> 00:49:00,599 is a full show again, great stuff as always. I know you've got 784 00:49:00,639 --> 00:49:04,199 a role because you've got a birthday party to get to. Just kidding. 785 00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:07,960 We put the podcast out here. It is about to be September before we're 786 00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:10,760 talking again, believe it or not, for the Big Fight weekend preview coming 787 00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:15,280 next weekend. I hope everybody enjoyed all of the insight again. Follow, 788 00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:20,119 Subscribe, Apple podcast, Google Podcast, Spotify, our partners at Spreaker, 789 00:49:20,159 --> 00:49:22,800 our new partners as well. With that, I think we're good. They 790 00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:25,559 can go back and listen to Jim Lampley as well. I may put that 791 00:49:25,639 --> 00:49:30,119 up on the podcast feed just as its own interview later this week where you 792 00:49:30,119 --> 00:49:31,960 can hear that. But right now you can go back to the one before 793 00:49:32,039 --> 00:49:36,920 this on the Big Fight weekend preview and hear the full conversation Dan with Jim 794 00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:38,280 Lampley one more time. It's worth it. He's a Hall of Fame announcer 795 00:49:38,559 --> 00:49:43,800 from the HBO days. Love it anything else? Or are we good on 796 00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,119 recap? I'm going to now spend a few minutes not getting ready for the 797 00:49:46,159 --> 00:49:50,840 birthday party. Yeah, well done, and we thank you Dan, Ray 798 00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,760 Phels. Always have a great week. We thank you for fighting us on 799 00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:58,320 the Fight Freaks Unite Recap. We come off the weekend recapping fights. We 800 00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:00,320 preview going into the weekend, finding morning recap. Coming off the weekends, 801 00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:04,920 We're here for you savages, rate us and review us, share out the 802 00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,679 show. We do our best here as part of the Fight Preach to Night Recap