Yes, off a weekend that is seen Alexander Usik get his knockout, but
not without a bit of a controversy. Oh, don't get the bridge wild
up right now talking about what's a low blow, what's not a low blow.
We're going to discuss that Jared real big baby Anderson gets to win as
well, rising his stock a little bit. We're ready to recap those fights.
We've got fight news, We've got nostalgia, We've gotten much more.
It is the Fight Freaks Unite or Recap podcast coming off the weekend. I'm
the somewhat capable host, T J Reeves, our insider Dan rayphel Bigfight Weekend
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smiling even though you can't see him, but I can because once again he
is evaded, eluded, escaped, gotten out of a birthday party. As
we taped the podcast Sunday afternoon into Sunday evening, you seem to be more
proud of this than maybe you should be. It's good to have you.
We got a lot to go over, but you're like proud that you got
out of another. Yeah, as we discussed I think it was last week
the big Man doesn't do birthday parties unless it's a close friend or the neighbor.
But the kids, I don't really know. I don't do birthday pars.
Right today is not only is the a birthday party, but before the
birthday party, there was a picnic related to one of my son's activities.
And let us add to the list does picnics or birthday parts. I'll do
a picnic with my family with our friends, but I don't do random picnics,
heat ants around all the food mosquitoes in Florida's case, No thank you.
All right, so that's good. So I have been busy this weekend
the NFL preseason. One of my other gigs, one of my main gigs
in the fall, is with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Raphael is sending me
messages back and forth while I'm on the sideline work in the preseason last night,
about the fights and about the aftermath of the USK fight, which obviously
on our timeline was Saturday afternoon. While this is going on, and you're
like, I got no you for preseason football rapfhel you understand, this is
part of my gig. This is part of the income or whatever. A
necessary evil. But I'm with you. Let's get to the real games.
Let's get to the real NFL. That is a couple of weeks that while,
of course, like most sports fans in America, I watched a lot
of NFL during the season, I'm proud to say that I think I'm not
think. I know. I haven't watched a single down a preseason football.
We are preseason free right now. I'll read the articles about the Giants because
I follow the Giants and make sure my guys doing okay. And I might
see a clip on you know, on TV or on so you revel in
the fact if you hear about Dak Prescott throwing some preseason interceptions for the Cowboys,
you'll revel in that. Even though Mauriceo Suleman will be mask you from
the WBC, Mauricio once the Cowboys to do well. But my man,
Maurico and I we definitely go back and forth Giants. We go back and
forth about the Giants. And by the way, if I'm not mistaken,
Week one, Week one Sunday Night is Giants Cowboys. So you guys are
gonna be ready to battle here Like in a few days, I got a
whole cheer match. We go back and forth on the cowboys and giants as
much as we go back and forth on the franchise champion and the boxing rules.
And you did survive on the birthday. Confirm before we move on the
cake. Any cake, cupcake, no cake, ice cream, nothing for
the birthday. We just walked on. Hello food. That was it.
Listen when you know this at our AIDS birthdays all means that you're a year
older. I like to think it as being a year wiser. So no
elaborate parties, quiet dinner on Friday night with my wife and son. That
was pretty much it. And now the boxing and we're good with that.
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I thought it was fascinating that basically his rise to boxing play by play prominence
was in part born out of him thinking that ABC's trying to get rid of
me by giving me boxing because I'll hate it and I'll quit. But it
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go ahead and do it. Let's begin. I'm just gonna go straight away
because everybody knows Usik won to fight by knockout? Is the low blow stuff
warranted because it is a It is still a day later. The controversy about
that fight among British fans British boxing media. Their belief is that it should
have been a knight, It should have been a knockgown. If not a
knockout, where do you come down on, Let's get British fans, British
media cry babies around the world. I mean, it was a legitimate knockdown.
I mean, just look at my Twitter feed, if your character or
my x feed, whatever we're calling it these days. No, listen,
all seriousness. That was a low blow. Yes, I mean, I
don't want to lose my mind about it, because I've already done that a
couple of times since the fight. The line of demarcation between a low blow
and a legal punch is supposed to be the navel the belly button. That
punch, even though it was on deep within the belt line of Usk,
which is a rather tall belt line, was clearly below the navel. If
you took off his trunks and you saw where the shot landed, it would
be below the navel. That is a low blow. And so Luis pub
Owne and extraordinarily experienced championship Brefory, who has been doing top level fights for
a long time, who's probably done literally hundreds of world title fights, been
one of the most respected ring officials around for you know, quite a long
time, had a split second to make that call. I felt like he
got it right. It wasn't an egregious low blow. But one thing that
I have gathered when I've read all the moronic comments about it that I've read
on social media is that there are is a section of people who believe that
a low blow is only when you get hitting the testicles, when you get
hit really like super south of the border, which is not face. Don't
have to get hitting the dick for it to be a low blow. That's
a lot of the podcast put that on a bumper sticker. So here's what
we know, because Okay, I see this in the NFL and in college
football, and it happens in other sports too. So we're gonna get anatomically
correct with the man. You're gonna have one with me right now, I'm
gonna have fun with this. We're not talking about the nether region. We're
not talking about Austin Powers terminology, speaking of movies, the twicket, batteries,
the twicket note, we're not talking about that. We're talking about above
that. Like the crotch area right above that is tender. It is vulnerable.
There's a lot of tissue there anatomically, and if you take a shot
there a punch, if you take a tackle in football there, if you
take a baseball and you don't have a protective piece of equipment, shot,
that is painful. And to me, his immediate reaction was, that's where
I got hit. I did not get hit in the stomach. I got
hit in the nether region, as we like to say in the south.
Just above the boys is where he got hit, right above there. And
the reaction was the verification that that's where he got hit. And there's a
great video replay two and I know you retweeted this and half the world reexed
it, reposted it, retweeted it. Where Dubois is coming upward as with
the punches we describe it, and that's exactly where it hit him, was
right above the man parts. If you will. That's why was damaging because
it was thrown in an upper cut like fashion. So it doesn't have to
be your actual you know, as you say your nether regions. It's that
area between the boys and the belly button that hurts. Yeah, and it's
not like your cup is not there. I mean, yes, you have
a weight, you have a protector. That's that may partially help that out,
but I don't think it does a whole lot. When you can we
just digress. Let me give you a personal example, and this is embarrassing,
but I just share this with the audience. We pulled a curtain back.
I'm messing around a year or so ago with the dog. The dog's
about a fifty year old dog. She's sweets, she's my dog, but
she's also crazy. And I'm laying on the floor and the twins are riling
the dog up, and the dog jumped on me. There the dog landed
with two paws and full weight. There and brother. It was not a
Daniel Dubois punch, but I was down like Alexander Usik for like two minutes.
It was full I mean, just just tmi. It was painful.
And when you get hit there that's what that reaction looked like. Okay,
So here's the other thing about it as it relates to that, as soon
as he got hit, he had the reaction that you just mentioned, which
leads me to believe that that was legitimately a low blow as opposed to just
a normal body punch. That's one thing. The second thing is Luis Pabone
called it a loblow immediately, so he knew while he's sitting on the canvas
that that it's been ruled a foul accidentally fair enough. I don't think Dua
purposely hit him hit him low like that, but so he was going to
get time to recover, which the referee properly gave him. Now, I
would submit to you that if he had started to count and did not call
it a loblow, Alexander Usik, being the proud champion that he is and
a top professional who's been around this game a long time amateuran pro, knows
he's got ten seconds to get his ass off the deck and that he would
have probably made the greatest effort in the world to get up. And there's
nobody that can tell me he wouldn't have made it to his feet we don't
know for sure. So the fact that he stayed down, some people are
using that as like a reason why it was a legal shot because he was
knocked out. But I'm saying you, okay, if it was a guy
on the deck and the referees counting, good chance he gets up, I
agree with you. You know, Frank Warren and his post fight comments,
like he made the comment among his other comments, how much time did they
give him to get ready to get Frank shoul read the rules. He asked
five minutes and take since he took less than five minutes, so the referee
was within There was nothing untoward there as far as I would say, cake
in the time he needed it. As long as it was within the five
minute the rule that was, that's no issue. It wasn't a matter of
he took six minutes, eight minutes and they're suddenly letting him, you know,
go extra time that's allowed on the case of an accidental foul like that.
It could have been a headbut it could have been any kind of thing.
You're allowed five minutes of recovery time, and he took quite a bit
of it. So they're making that very borderline situation into like the biggest controversy
in the history of boxing, and they don't want to talk about the fact
that Danga Duba got his ass kicked from pillar to post. You know,
you could maybe give him one round. One of the official judges was generous
and gave him two rounds. The other two gave him but one round,
which I gave him one round. But other than that, this was all
Alexander Rusick. Better skills, better speed, better everything, better technique,
better better ring iq, better understanding of where to have the fight in the
ring. In terms of the distance, I believe maybe maybe if you had
just the chance to line up a punch and throw one big shot, Duwa's
the better puncher, but it didn't matter in this fight because he was never
able to land that big time shot and the other guy who's supposed to not
be the puncher put him on his ass. Wise, yes, and let
me say this one more thing, and made him quit in essence because the
last lockdown in the ninth round not a massive punch. We'll talk about that
in just a second, but dud Ba clearly hit him with some solid shots
and could not stun him, hurt him, back him up. That was
question. We were wondering got some good They were far between though and Usik
with the jab Usik with the straight left. Do you believe on that final
knockdown with the right to the eye that's the same eye right with the fractured
iworbital against Joe Joyce it was the left eye. I think he I don't
know this, but I think he stung him in the same spot on the
I orbital and that's why suddenly little delayed half second reaction he went. He
just went down and stayed down. He was hurt there again on the i
orbital. Look like it That didn't come to my mind. I didn't notice
exactly where the shot landed. All I know is that there was a moment.
I want to tell you it was the fourth round. Maybe I'm slightly
off. I want to say it was the fourth round where Dana dwa Land
did a really perfect right hand. Yes, if he wasn't his best right
hand, like the devastating knockout punch or we've seen him land against lesser opponents,
but he landed a really good, clean sharp on the button right hand
and Alexander Usi didn't blink, And I believe that that when you when you're
a fighter and you know that your money maker is that right hand, and
you know that you're not that superior boxer, and then if you're gonna in
this fight, points has probably not an option that you're gonna have to do
some damage with that right hand. And you land your best one or one
of your best ones, and you're a guy that you're facing doesn't really blink,
budge, move backwards step, you know, just walks through it and
doesn't make even any kind of motion at all. You have to have it
in your mind like I'm fucked. You know, I just landed the greatest
shot I own and I can't do anything with this guy. And so that's
got to be a little discouraging. And in terms of the knockout that you
mentioned, whether it got hit on the eye or not, I think he
had been breaking down physically and mentally for the previous couple of rounds and he
got hit with the right hand. Not a math I mean, and I'm
saying this for guys like you or me, or any other viewer or non
boxer, you're gonna be in a probably in a coma if you're a professional
boxer. That was not a big time right hand the way we've seen,
and Dania Dua got to his knee, look clear eyed, was looking right
at the referee who's counting, and he just didn't get up. You know,
to me, he probably could have. Someone can pared it to like
Ryan Garcia situation against Tank Davis. He made a decision not to rise.
I don't hold it against him. Doesn't make him a bad guy, you
know whatever. But you make that decision and you live with it, and
you can't now spend the rest of your life complaining because you've lost every second
of the fight basically except for what was ruled at foul and you're claiming victory.
So two more on this. Number One, we don't know this as
Sunday afternoon becomes Sunday night here. Do you believe there's going to be an
official protest in an attempt to get a rematch? And would that go anywhere?
You have a lot of expertise, You've dealt with this a bunch of
times. What do you think about this and what might happen? Well?
Number one, it's a judgment call by the referee and that usually will stand,
particularly when you're an experienced referee and there's no clear evidence. Let's compare
it to the NFL. When you have a replay that is reviewed on any
particular play, the only way it's overturned is if there's evidence one hundred percent
to show that it should be overturned. And if they can't find one hundred
percent evidence to over earn the call, the ruling on the field stands.
And in this case, the ruling on the field was a was a was
a a low blow and that will stand. So Frank Frank Lauren, who
was Danga Dubua's promoter, can say we're gonna protest and the governing bodies are
gonna have to order rematch. I mean, listen, I get what Frank's
doing. He's doing what he's supposed to do. He's advocating for his guy
to put him in the best possible situation. But I'd be very surprised if
any of the organizations ordered an immediate rematch. I believe there will not be
an immediate rematch. Number one, first and foremost, the IBF is next.
They are next. That was done when they erroneously ordered the Hrgovitch fight
and then backtrack and said we are are bad. You're right, it's a
WBA that's up next. So Dua got the shot. He was the WBA
regular champion and the mandatory that fight has been handled. Next up is the
IBF. The IBF sent a letter on August first, prior to this fight,
prior to the recent fight that that Hergovich won by knockout, letting them
know, hey, by the way, guys, we know if you win
Alexander Rustik on you know the Dude Wild fight, and Hergovic, if you
win your fight that was on the Anthony Joshua undercard, you guys both win,
we will order that fight. We got it. That fight I believe
will be ordered in the next few days. It could be even Monday morning
by the time people are listening to this that the letter may be out.
So the IBF is going to be the next mandatory fight. Now. It's
conceivable, although I highly doubt it, that USA could say forget it and
he could either be stripped or vacate. But even if that happens, it's
still going to be Kargovich fighting somebody else for the vacant title. I suspect
that unless they have you know, on Usti's people, and I've talked to
his manager. He Connelly about this a bunch of times. He says to
me that his fighter, Philip Hrgovich, does not want to step aside.
He wants a shot at the title. He's been waiting for a while.
He won an eliminator against Zang July. He's fought again since then scored a
knockout. He wants a chance to fight for the world championship or multiple world
championships in this case. Now it's business, and if they come to them
with some kind of elaborate package and offer them a lot of money, maybe
that will change his mind. That's always a post ability. Now. The
good thing about all that situation is this TJ. It doesn't mean it's going
to mess up the prospect of a fight against Tyson Fury, which a lot
of people I think are concerned about, like that's going to be the next
fight, because you know, then we're gonna have to go through this whole
process again. And I would say to you the following It makes a lot
of sense. If Usik is going to fight a second time this year,
it would duke take place at the end of the year against the mandatory challenger
in my opinion, which would be Philip Pergovich, which would not disrupt the
possibility of a Tyson Fury fight because Tyson Fury is fighting the circus fight against
Francis Nagano on October twenty eight, which means Frank I mean Tyson Fury is
not available to fight Alexander Usik by the end of this year because he's occupied
for October. So if you take that fight in October, you have Usik
do the mandatory against Hurgovich, which is due and will be ordered in the
near term. That fight could theoretically take place at the very end of this
year, maybe even at the very beginning of next year. The point is,
if Tyson Fury comes through that fight against Nagano, which everybody expects he
will, and Usick, all due respect to Philip Kargovich, Whosi will be
a sign if it can favorite in that fight. If he comes through,
now the runway is clear once again to make the undisputed fight because they'll be
able to go through it without their being mandatory obligations. Even if there are,
they can get an exception. I know the sanctioning body people would be
interested to see there being an undisputed title. It's good for the sport it's
good for uh, everybody involved, the sanctioning bodies, the fighters, the
promoters, the managers, the fans by the way, you know, because
we're always the last you know, on that list. So that's the situation.
So there's not going to be a strong movement in my opinion, for
any of these organizations to order a rematch of a fight that was not that
big of a fight relatively speaking in the first place. Not that not that
it was not an event because in Poland, because of ustic fighting right by
the Ukrainian border and drawing you know, some thirty five to forty thousand,
it was a big deal. They also, by the way, the tickets
were very cheap relatively speaking. It's still impressive they get that number of people
in because they got to spend their time. But they didn't they didn't do
a massive gate on a fight like that. And I don't believe there's really
any appetite to see a rematch because if the fight had been more competitive,
maybe, but it was a fucking plow out. Well, but their their
plan would be as comical as it might be, is get the WBA to
order the rematch because it should be a no contest I just don't see it.
I don't see it. You covered it well enough, good enough.
First of all, just one more thing about that the sanction body. I
mean, theoretically they can call it a no contest, but the only people
that could officially make it a no contest would be the Polish regulators that handled
the fight. And just for the record, I have had since the fight
took place, several messages back and forth, will go with GILBERTA. Mendoza
discussing, you know what you think and my I didn't. He didn't say
out right, and it's not his unilateral this, So those that don't know
this is the head of the w BA, keep going. GILBERTA. Mendoza
was the press of the WBA exactly, so he'll he'll, he'll if there
is an appeal, First of all, they're not gonna do anything unless there's
not a formal appeal done. Number one. Number two, if that were
to happen, they would do what any of these organizations do. They would
talk to their their board of governors, their directors, the people that they
that they have look at these situations review. But again I didn't ask him
out right because he'd have to go to his people. But my impression from
that back and forth with the Alberto was that there's no appetite to order this
a rematch, and because the feeling was it was a legitimate lolo. Good
enough. Okay. One other thing from the undercard from the voluminous you're like
that word on a Sunday undercard that had a ton of fights is Anthony Jiggett
the lightweight fight that he had, and it's more about what happened after the
fight. Jigget fought Dennis Brynschick if I have that right, and lost by
decision in a lightweight undercard fight there at the stadium in Poland. And it
was after the fight where Jugget had to cut over his left eye and then
began to take to social media on one in the name of fight or safety
is going on or not going on here? Because there's no one at the
facility at that stadium apparently medically that could close the wound, and he's asking
for an ambulance ride to a local hospital so that he could be stitched up,
and they told him none available. He said this in a video on
social media. They told him, we don't have an ambulance available. We
have to have the ambulance here for the rest of the card if there's a
serious injury, a life threatening injury. So Yiget went underwent for like two
hours, an ordeal of having to leave the stadium get to the hospital.
Apparently somebody did take him, but now he's got no transportation back from the
hospital, and so I'm with him. What's going on with K two promotions
with the commission from Poland and fighter safety Because you see the cut that's over
his eye before and after it's stitched. It's a nasty cut and he's standing
there with gauze around his head. He looked like from the old television nighttime
drama on CBS Mash from the Korean War the US televisions, he looked like
one of the patients and the surgery in the nineteen fifties with with the wrap
around his head, bleeding through the rap where he's going, there's nobody here
to stitch me up? Lightness, What's up? Mash is a comedy and
a drama. We'll call it a drama. Y Yeah, one of my
favorite shows of all. The only word that comes to mind is what I
tweeted, which is disgraceful. It is so. First of all, I'm
not sure when you get said he had nobody to go with him or bring
him back, Like where was this team? Like he does have a trainer,
a cutman, somebody there with him, a manager whoever that would have
been there. Part of it. But the fact that if the fighter feels
like he needs to go to the hospital, it shouldn't even be a question.
Now, the thing with the ambulance is absolutely ridiculous. Now in the
United States, the rule is, I believe this is the case for any
ABC related commission or tribal commission or anything. Yeah, and you have to
have two ambulances on site, not one, because in the chance that somebody
else, somebody has to go to the hospital, they want to be able
to continue with the show because they won't allow another fight to start if there's
not an ambulance at ring side. So if you have so, two amulances
are there. If one of them is force him the service to take somebody
to the hospital, the other amulets are still on site while the fight is
happening, So if something happens in that fight, there's another vehicle to make
the transport. So I have no idea why on a show like this where
the perst bit that won the fight was like over eight million dollars that nobody
can afford or doesn't bother to put another ambulance in service, which might cost
you, you know, a very small amount of money in the name of
fighter safety, which they all want to brag and talk about, but when
it comes to brass tacks and you know, they don't really want to do
that apparently, So it's an I'm gonna use it in the language that I
like, an absolute fucking disgrace. This fighter who gets in the ring should
be left to offend for himself. And it reminded me and this was a
terrible example on the worst things that happened. When the New York State Athletic
Commission basically told Magamet abdis Alamov, who had been checked out in the dress
room after the fight and his team felt like he had to go to the
hospital. They made him take a cab to like a hospital in Manhattan,
you know, you know at night. They were like, literally, and
I've been there, I've done the same thing. Waiting outside the Madison Square
Garden theater trying to hail a cab at one o'clock in the morning. It
ain't easy number one. And meanwhile, the guy's got a fucking brain injury.
He's vomiting on the street. No Cabby wants that picked that up and
take him to the hospital. So that is a disgraceful situation, you know,
and KAY two and their Polish partners and the commission there should absolutely be
ashamed of themselves and be very fortunate and happy that while the terrible situation,
at least Anthony Egott was not in a life threatening situation. But it shouldn't
take that to get a fucking ride to the hospital. Well said, what
is going on there? And where's the accountability and where is fighter safety at
the forefront of this. Okay, let's move on to the Top Rank show
Top Rank ESPN also Oklahoma where okay, we had like the reincarnation speaking of
low blows, all you Brits that you want to talk about low blow this
low blow that we had a low blow festival in the co feature fight which
was John God almighty, how many I lost track? It was fifteen low
blows twenty seven. The Brits watched that show on the sky on Sky Sports
because Top Ranks events air there. Uh, huh, so that was the
festival. That was a low blow festival and a DQ so that was low
blows. And then Jared Real Big Baby Anderson takes to the ring and I
believe Reeves had the KO and he got the ko over Rudinko barrage of punches
and gets the stop. Is your thoughts on the Top Rank card? And
Jared Real Big Baby Anderson did himself some favors and he's got himself back now
on the track with a big knockout with some comnum. There's my thoughts.
What are your thoughts? I'm going to start with the undercard fight, which
is the other heavyweight fight that you mentioned between Fat Jagba and Zan Kosaboutski,
who was supposed to actually be the opponent for Jared Anderson in July, but
because of his visa problems, he didn't make it, so they put in
Charles Martin in his place, and then when he was able to get the
visa, they decided, you know what, let's switch it up and we'll
have him fight fa job. But so Kostaboutski, who had actually a co
promotional agreement recently signed with Top Rank. I hope they released him that piece
of shit. The way that he conducted himself in that fight was absolutely shameful,
almost as shameful as not given Anthony, you get an ambulance try at
the hospital in Poland. So he just came to get a find a way
out. When he found the fact that this guy I had job but who's
a very very big man six foot six, you know, two hundred and
thirty six thirty seven pounds, with a very stiff, long jab and good
power. He didn't like what he was getting and so he started the foul
repeatedly early in the fight, got worn multiple times. It wasn't like he
suddenly got a point taking away. The referee actually was very judicious in doing
what he did. Chris Flores was the referee. I thought he handled it
very well. He was hitting in not just like low like accidental or you
know, straying below the belt. He was he was hitt him with dick
shots in the boys under the cup like bad low lad low blow. So
ultimately he got two points taken away after multiple warnings, and then when he
when he when that was for two separate incidents, and then when he hit
him a low a third time. I thought the referee Chris Floris showed great
restraint. He gave him another hard warning and he didn't take another point.
And now you get into the fourth round and they're in close, and he
doesn't just throw another low blow. The referee's looking right at him. He
sees the referee looking right at him. He hits faa job but with two
left hands in the dick and he went down on the canvas. And what
are you gonna do at that point? You gotta you gotta disqualify him.
That was a mentally weak fighter who didn't like what he was getting in return
quitting finding a way out. It was exactly the kind of ship that did
against a vander Holyfield. When he did him on the ear. He was
mentally broken. He didn't want anymore. He quit. I hope he's banned.
I never want to see the motherfucker again. Uh yeah. And you
feel bad for a jog Buck because he's trying to get the win and you
got a guy just fallon him and fallon him and fallon him. And that
was the right thing. Yeah, But Jock was hit him with some good
right hands. If he doesn't get hit below the belt that many times in
a fight continues I believe a Jogu was going to knock him out somewhere in
the middle of that ten round fight, and no without in my mind.
Uh so, you know, unfortunately he didn't get a chance to shine,
but he gets to win, you know, uh and loses some of his
manhood in the process. Unfortunately. Well oh so so you have this and
again they were relating it Joe Tessa Tour, Tim Bradley, Mark Kriegel,
and Kriegel said, I was there that night for Galata and Bow, and
it was very similar. I think part of it is too I'm not making
an excuse. Part of it is too you're just not competent and you're you're
lazy and you're not even trying and then made There were a couple of times
where a Jogba also I think, had paid him back. So now he's
trying to pay a jog Ba back again with another low blow. But it
was a lot like Galat on Bow, where he just repeatedly couldn't keep from
hitting him low and then he was intentional. You've lost two points, which
is a lot in a ten round fight, right, the referee is getting
you multiple hard warnings. At what point, at some point, if you're
gonna keep doing it, the referee has got no choice but to disqualify you.
This is not a quick hook. The referee was a little over a
judicious or anything like. This was the absolute epitome of when you disqualify a
fighter. They could show that fourth round, you know, at a at
a seminar where they give referees instruction as far as let's talk a little bit
about yeah, let's get to that the real big baby. Let's go.
So the real big baby, you know, good for him back in the
ring just two months after that very tough fight against Charles Martin, a fight
where he scored a knockdown and one going away on the scorecards, but was
a situation where a lot of people were like, very very underwhelmed, kind
of took a step back in the minds of some people of where he is
as an upper coomer. I can look at it both positively and negatively.
Whereas on the one hand, you know, just you overcame some adversity in
that fifth round. On the other hand, while you shouldn't have been in
that situation in the first place, but he took on a noted tough guy
in Rodenko who had been the distance with tons of good guys. Not a
big winner necessarily, but in six of his loss or five of his losses
against the Zang July and Lucas Brown and Huey Fury and Alexander Povetkin and your
boy Adjicabayell, he had gone the distance now and he got stopped one time,
you know, a couple of years ago against an undefeated up and comer
who was a top amateur. So you know, that's a pretty good roster
when you're trying to get the guy rounds and get him experienced. So you
know, Rodenko toughest nails, as they say, toughest old shoe leather,
took a ton of punishment. You want to talk about body shots that we
talked about in terms of usk and in that fight and what happened, and
then of course what happened in the Jaga Coos of Bootski fight Big Baby Anderson.
He kept his punches up above the belt and he landed according to copy
box seventy two body shots in that is a mass of a massive amount of
output at the body. And I dare say that our good friend Andre Ridenko
is gonna be pissing blood for the next few days because he took an exorbitant
amount of tween shots of the body and Tammis Gretti never went down, he
stayed up. He was willing to fight. But you know, the referee
at some point that you know Jared Anderson's unloading literally accounted. It was close
to like forty unanswered shots now and not every one of them landed, and
not every one of them was a huge shot, but it was like forty
shots head and body, and the referee probably probably me, my twins,
your son, we could have all seen this is over. I got to
stop this fight because he's not firing back, he's not holding him, he's
he's not trying to defend himself that much, or that he had the guard
up. But I mean he's getting teed off on it. That's how people
get hurt too, by the way, so rightful stoppage. So the logical
follow up is what's next and how soon they were saying on the broadcast,
he might be he wants to be back. He might be back like end
of October, early November, depending on what they can work out. What
is your thought? What do you here? No I talked to Top Rank
about it earlier on Sunday, and absolutely the plan is if Jared wants to
do it, then you'll see him back in the ring, probably in that
November December time frame. Without question, he will get another fight in this
year. Uh, you know it's not that. No, there's no decisions
made on what card he'll be on or what who opponent he'll be. There
was a mention on the post fight program on ESPM plus that perhaps he would
that Jared was his desire would be to fight on a Shakoor Stevenson undercard in
November, which is what the rough idea for his next fight would be.
Their good buddies, and that would be fine by me certainly. So that's
that's not a bad spot form but that'll that'll be figured out in due time.
But yeah, I think based on that performance and Jared's desire to be
active, that you'll see him back before the end of this year without question.
Perfect segue mighty one. Because you mentioned Shakoor Stevenson and the WBC has
ordered his next fighting, you're saying that Jared real big baby Anderson might be
part of that card. Maybe maybe not? All right, tell me more
about what the WBC's ordered. Well, I mean, the fact that Shakur
was ordered to do a fight is not in any way of surprise, because
he has been the mandatory ever since he beat the fighter Yoshino in his most
recent fight. The question was would they be able to make a title fight
against Devin Haney. They aren't. Haney told the WC wanted to go up
and wait. They made him the champion in recess and vacated the title.
So now the WBC lightweight beltas vacant, and they go down the list of
opponents. Shakoor is number one. He's the one fighter in the one side
of the half of the fight, and other guys for different reasons turned it
down. For example, Isaac Cruz was ahead of him. The feeling is
he's probably gonna wind up in a rematch against Tirvan to Tank Davis. Others
pass on that fight also, and they got down to Frank Martin. Frank
Martin is the undefeated fighter, and so that's the order that's been made.
So now they have until they'll like September fifth to make a deal or they'll
order a purse bid. And so at this point you got a top rank,
which promotes Shakoor and TGB Promotions and the folks at PBC who work with
Frank Martin, they will they will go through that process and we'll see if
they can make the fight. If they can make a deal and Top Rank
is going to promote the event, then Shakur will obviously a headline probably you
know, an ESPN card in November. Top Rank would like to do it.
I think it's a Thursday night in early November, which is the weekend
when the Formula One race comes to Las Vegas, which is a huge sports
weekend for that city. You know, if it goes to a purse bit
and let's say you know, the TGB PBC side wins it, then a
you know, a different matter. They've got dates that they're going to be
doing in the fall. I would suspect that it'll wind up doing if they
make the match, that Frank will fight on the ESPN card. I believe
they have, you know, probably a little more money in their budget to
do that kind of fight. But it's a good matchup. It's two young,
undefeated fighters, two top contenders in that weight class. You know,
I'll respect to Frank Martin. It's hard to pick against Shakur against any lightweight
right now, frankly, but I know Frank Martin is hungry for that kind
of fight. That'll be a good matchup. I'd be happy to see it.
The Ghost can fight, sign me up. I would like to see
that as well. So we'll see what happens there. For the for the
lightweight title is chak He's already got world championships in a couple of other divisions.
Let's keep moving along with the news and then anything else. The other
fighter that decided to pass on the fight because he didn't want to fight the
rest there was also in those rankings right behind any was Lomachenko, you know,
which would have been Machenko was in person at the as you would expect
his good friend Usik at the Usik fight in Poland by the other night.
And there's there's some belief would he retire? You buy that on Lomachenko,
You think he's gonna keep fighting. I would be shocked that he didn't have
at least one more, all right. But the main point though, is
he didn't want to fight the rest of this year. Yeah. So,
and by the way, the fact that he was at the Music fight,
it's not a surprised They're literally best friends. All right, So keeping it
with the European theme, we did get word as we put the podcast to
bed, we put the bet Us show to bed. Oh, by the
way, it comes out that Robert Helenius failed a VADA test for performance enhancing
drugs that was taken immediately prior to the Joshua Will fight. Remember he was
a late replacement, only came in the week of the fight, had fought
the previous weekend. All right, what do you make of this, because
here we go again with another Matchroom show and another controversy involving a failed drug
test with one of their fighters and one of their fights. Well, number
one, Hellenius is not a match room fighter. I don't blame matchrom at
all, so that's not even on the agenda. I think they got him
because Dylan White failed the test. I say it now, we should see
Jillian White against Robert Allennieus'm all on whever, you know, let him fight
to the death. Okay, Look, Helennius, he got caught. I
mean he had fought a fight of the week before in Finland, where in
a small fight like that in a place like Finland, I'm pretty sure the
drug testing was not super stringent, and in a situation on the card like
this with Anthony Joshua where it may not be perfect, but there's certainly more
drug testing than there isn't a small club card in Finland. You know,
he got caught, you know, and of course, like they all do,
we came out with a bullshit statement. You know. I'm like,
it's like in Casablanca, there's gambling. I'm shocked in a casino shocked.
So just another dirty fighter. It's disappointing. But you know what, as
I wrote, it didn't help because he got knocked the fuck out. Yeah,
he got beat anyway. So procedurally, is he now suspended pending appeal
and for how long or do we even know that or what is the next
step for test? No, I mean the British Board will go through its
process and uh and they'll and they'll do their business. Now, they also
sometimes take a long time for these things, as we've seen with the whole
connor Ben situation. We've seen him with plenty of incidents. Dylan White is
another one. But yeah, we don't don't think we're gonna be seen.
Robert Leneys in the ring anytime soon. And by and by the way,
good for that. And by the way, it shouldn't be smirched Anthony Joshua.
He did what he did and we'll see what he happens to do next.
But it just brings more controversy a client continues for a guy that a
lot of people are down on, like Anthony Joshua. You got Allenniyus testing
positive getting ready for that fight. You got Dylian White getting down side of
the fights for testing positive. Go back to when he was coming to the
United States for his defense against Jerald Big Pharmacy, he got downside of the
fight for failing for like about five or six different substances. I mean,
can anybody fight Anthony Joshua queen? Good question rhetorically, Uh what else on
the news here he called Martinez, former two division world champion, is apparently
going to hang him up. And you want to talk a little bit about
this because you were you were ringside for one of his bigger bouts. So
what about this news Well, I don't I don't want to talk about it
just because I was at the fight where he won the junior featherweight title.
I want to talk about him because he's one of those great warriors that help
makes the sport go around. A guy that was fearless, a guy that
was a road warrior, a guy that fought everybody, a guy that won
some a guy that lost them, a guy that turned in some big upsets.
I won two world titles, and you need guys like that in this
sport. He fought everybody. He was a credit to the to the business.
You know. He doesn't finish with a great record forty four twelve losses,
two draws, thirty one knockouts. Not going to be in Hall of
Fame, but probably over the last you know, twenty five years, let's
say, one of the better pros that have come out of his country of
Spain. He had a long career, you know, term pro. In
two thousand and four, last fight was in April, fought on on one
of the big shows in Japan on a world title undercard, on the top
rank prompt the United States on ESPM plus and lost the decision. But he
made a video and he you know, basically thanked everybody for everything, and
guests is leaving with his health. Good for him. But the fight that
you mentioned in twenty thirteen, he challenged the heavy favorite Jonathan Romero for the
IBF title at one hundred and twenty two pounds. That was at the what
used to be called the Rebel Casino in Atlantic City, which I covered.
The main event was a Darren Barker middleway title fight against Daniel Gale. Anyway,
Keiko Martinez went into that fight as nobody expected anything, and he didn't
just win the fight, but he stopped Romero in the sixth round, and
it was a glorious celebration for him at his team. I remember like the
emotion that he and his guys had after that fight. So that was a
big win for him, and you know, and he went on. He
thought some other guys lost, usually against the best guys. But when he
got a chance as the hand picked opponent to make for the homecoming title defense
of Kid Galahad in his hometown of Sheffield, thing on a hand picked Chico
thinking it's a soft touch, and he didn't just win, but he knocked
Galahad out with one punch to win the IBF featherweight title. Now he didn't
hold it very long because four months later he lost it to Josh Warrington.
But that was a glorious moment for him also to win a second world title
at that age when he was already left for dead. But let me just
give you a couple of guys that he fought. Now, he didn't win
all these fights obviously, you know, he had the two big wins against
Galahad and Romero for a title wins. He fought Leo Santa Cruz. He
fought Scott Quick, he fought Carl Frampton, he fought Hazzomi Hasegawa, an
excellent title holder from Japan. He fought Gary Russell Jr. He fought other
guys. Also, this was a fighter who just fought everybody. So I
think when somebody liked that retires again, he not be in the Hall of
Fame someday. But you gotta get him this dude. You gotta tip your
cap and say congratulations on a hell of a career that exceeded everybody's expectations.
I hope he saved some of his money. I'm glad to see that he
says he's healthy and may he have a wonderful retirement. But again, that
was a shocking upset of Galahad, and he got him another good payday in
the fight with Warrington as it turns out, so you're right at the end
of his career. Anything can truly happen. One more quick note and then
some nostalgia. Heimi Mongia making a change to the team in the corner,
what have we learned? And morph it into will we see him before the
end of this year? For the love of God? Is he getting back
in the ring? What's going what's going on here with Heimi Mongia? Well,
Heimimugia had been training for the last four years with the Mexican countrymen,
the great Hall of Famer Eric Morales, and they have parted ways, not
because there was any from what I am told, there was not a negative
situation. It was a matter that Eric Morales has lots of other things that
he's working with. He's involved with some politics and with one of the sports
institutes in Mexico where he lives, and he's devoting a lot of time to
that and really just didn't have the time to devote that you need to devote
if you're going to train a guy like Kaimomghia. So Mungi is now in
the in the very capable hands of the Hall of Fame trainer Freddie Roach,
in southern California, so he is now being trained by Freddie which probably will
be good for or. I'm also Morales, I guess did a pretty good
job with him. He stayed undefeated with him forty twent ol though didn't really
fight anybody of consequence other than Devin Chenko in a really tough fight. And
as far as what's going to be next, I mean, whether he's being
trained by Eric Rowles, he's being trained by Freddie Roach or being trained by
you. There's trying, there's conversations. There are attempts to make for the
end of this year a fight between Heimi Mungi excuse me and edwar Berlanga.
Whether they can actually get that done remains to be seen. I know both
sides have told me, guess we want the fight. The question is how
much is the zone going to pay for it and will it be acceptable to
the boxers? Always the questions, But again, Mongia has not been active
nearly enough, hasn't had a title fighting forever. That would be an interesting
fight. If they can make that one happen, we'll see. But if
that's not a title fight, that's just a good matchup on fight. I
mean, who wouldn't want to watch that, and obviously right now, neither
one of them are going to get near Canelo Lvarez in the near future.
It doesn't look like so why not have an intriguing Hey, what a concept
to have an intriguing contender fight against somebody else it's undefeated that we might want
to watch. Let's wrap it up on the recap with some nostalgia and a
happy birthday for a Hall of Fame fighter enlighten us. A few days ago
was the fiftieth birthday of the great Mexican fighter, the Hall of Fame champion
Wan Danuel Marquess, part of the half century Club with us. Now there
you go exactly. So you know, we usually go over like fights that
are on anniversaries. When we discuss our nostalgia segment. Late August is not
conducive to that. There's not a lot of fights at that time. A
lot of people take the time off. We did discuss the Connor McGregor Floyd
Mayweather fight recently, that was this week six years ago. But Marquees turned
fifty years old and kind of like we did with Kiko Martinez, give him
the shout out. Now he is not a Hall of Famer like Marquees,
but Marquez is one of the best fighters we've seen of the last you know,
several decades, a pound for pound stalwart, a guy who fought everybody
who you know. Interestingly, earlier in his career, when he was on
the rise, nobody wanted to fight him. Prince Nasim Ahmed one of my
favorite fighters. I got a knock him for this. He ducked him relentlessly
in the WBO let him get away with it. But eventually, when one
Daniel Marquez got his chance to fight for a world title, he won.
He became a title holder in four different weight classes, from featherweight up to
junior welterweight. Obviously, he's been involved in one of the greatest rivalries in
the history of the sport between him and Nanny Packyo. Four fights, all
of them classics, all of them outstanding, and even though in officially he
was one win, two losses and one draw, you can make a very
very legit argument that he should be four and oh in those four fights.
And of course, even though he went one, two and one, the
one that everybody remembers most clearly as him putting many Pako out with one punch
in the fourth and final fight in the morn of the Motion. I mean,
that was the knockout of not only the knockout of the year, but
the knockout of the two thousands, you know, and in the way he
handled that. But you know, look at the guys he fought, Floyd
Mayweather well first of all, Manny Pachyo four times, Floyd Mayweather, Marco
Antonio Brera, Timothy Bradley, Joel Cassamayor Lands, Michael Casitas, Mike Alvarado,
there are others. Manuel Medina, I mean, you can go on
down the line. He fought a lot of top guys. Unfortunately, in
twenty fourteen, he defeated Mike Alvarado. And before that fight he came he
came into that fight with a slightly injured knee. He injured the knee worst
in the fight and it could just never overcome the injury. He wanted to
continue to fight. I was actually at that fight in California, and so
after a lot of talk, I'm gonna come back, I'm gonna try,
you know, he just couldn't do it. So he retires after a twenty
one year career fifty six win seven losses, one draw, forty knockouts,
Hall of Fame induction on the first ballot. I can say, uh,
my, all of my interactions with him were first class. A very humble
and nice guy. I had the opportunity in my career to cover fourteen fights
of his at ringside, all of the big ones for the most part,
and some smaller ones. But a great fighter. And you know, for
many many years in the two thousands, in the early two thousand tens,
it was always you know, Morales and Brera and pak Yo, because those
those guys were doing their battles. But Marquees forced himself into that conversation of
the foursome and other than pak Yo, even though you know he did not
come out, but he lost twice. Also, you can argue that at
least among his countrymen, between Morales, Herrera and Marques, that Markues might
rank the highest of those three guys. You know, him and Morales never
got a chance to fight each other for different reasons. It always pissed me
off, but you know they didn't. We're not able to complete that round
robin. But Mark has just one of the one of the great fighters.
Power, great counterpunching, solid defense, a big balls and a big heart
and just just a joy to watch and a joy to cover. Shout out
to him. Happy birthday, Happy birthday to him. Two more birthdays,
by the way. On Tuesday, it will be Marlin Starling's sixty fourth birthday.
Former two time world welterweight champion also Timothy Bradley, is forty. I
can't believe that on Tuesday, on August twenty ninth, nineteen eighty three,
he was born. And I got one more piece of nostalgia for you,
Ray. Feel for all these people that want to apologize for guys that are
fighting once a year twice in two years. On Tuesday is the anniversary of
Sugar Ray Robinson, the legend one of the greatest fighters of all time.
Beating your boy, Ray Feel, Flashy Sebastian, that's the guy's fame.
He beat Flashy Sebastian on August twenty ninth, nineteen forty seven. Sugar Ray
Robinson was twenty six years old. He knocked out Flashy Sebastian your Boy in
the first round. That was his eightieth pro win as a twenty six year
old. He won for the eightieth time in nineteen forty seven on Tuesdays.
How about that. I know we talked about inactivity of fighters, but it's
just a different time. Though nobody understand right, nobody needs to have that
many fights. But for the argument that you can't fight two or three times
in a year, my man Sugar Ray Robinson fought eighty times six years of
age. Start doing the math on how many fights that is every year.
It's just a different sport now when you look at the guys. You know,
it used to be pretty commonplace when you look at some of the top
matchups where fighters would have fifty and sixty fights. Now you can count on
just you know, a few fingers. I guess of top guys around that
are at that. You know, Canelos now past sixty fights? I was
just doing a thing, uh, not that long ago. Sergio Martinez,
who's you know, had retired but had come out of retirement, has won
a few fights in a row since then. It is coming back, you
know, he's into the into the fifty plus, maybe close to sixty fights
now. But there's just not that many guys, that's right, all right,
that have that. I mean, it's just and it's not necessary because
the money is better now. A lot of you know, when Ray Robinson
was fighting some of those fights, he was doing because he need the money.
Like a lot of you were winning so easily, it wouldn't that big
of a deal to keep getting the right And you want to confirm you were
not ringside for Sugar Ray Robinson and Flashy Sebastian because it was nineteen forty seven,
right after the war. All right, with that, I believe that
is a full show again, great stuff as always. I know you've got
a role because you've got a birthday party to get to. Just kidding.
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