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welcome. Thank you for getting your pot on. Thank you for telling a
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for supporting those that support us, like Mac of All Trades. That's right,
great people to do yourself. No, do yourself. Let's let's let's
just say it. Save you the aggravation. That's right. You're gonna get
electric cutity s baffing around with that stuff just to come on your limitations.
You know what a man knows. A man knows his limitations. That's right.
That's what I'm saying. You are not a pussy when you're throwing the
towel and let Mack come in and fix your house. Well, because you're
gonna playing that that part, I'll give you. I'll give you that.
But if you wound up in a fight and you threw in the towel,
you might be a pussy. I don't know. Yeah, right now,
that's different. I am so excited, so excited that in the studio I
have to say, is a champ somebody I have never met somebody who has
achieved what Algeria Johnson has achieved. Two time National Golden Glove winner at the
welterweight right at she's a welterweight, which is really impressive because you gotta climb
a lot of ladders to get there. Right, Yes, yes, you
do, and you want it in what years? Twenty twenty three? I
tow you that and I just won last month? So back to back?
Yes, back to back. You're a repeat yep? Okay, and you
want to do one more year of amateur. I want to finish out the
rest of this year and then eventually I do want to branch off to the
pros. But I want to make sure I'm doing everything not like Russian it
because I'm still young and I'm still getting that experiencing. Yeah, if I
can become an Olympic alternate, I'm gonna go out into Colorado. Get right
in that microphone for me, that's okay, I'm going out to Colorado soon.
So the goal is to become Olympian. They already got who they want.
But if I could take that spot, or if I could become Olympic
alternate, oh, you could just hurt somebody else. Yeah, take them
out. It could happen. Look it is, yeah, you know if
you know, if I see the opportunity, I'm gonna take it. Can
can you? You know what what? We'll take pictures later. But the
belts are impressive, thank you. The belts are impressive. And you got
to ring it yeah, and a ring on it. Yeah wow, look
at that now. See. The thing that I would think is got to
be interesting for you is knowing how to fight, like because there's a lot
of people who throw punches, but you gotta know how to throw punches.
Yeah. My favorite thing is if you ever watched like the brawls that break
out at Disney and then then they hit TMZ. You ever see that?
Yeah? You ever look at those people and go, what are you doing?
Swinging out this way? They're swinging You got all that real estate wide
open? What are you doing? Man? What are you doing? And
then you know what would happen? I've seen Algeria. I watched some fights
today. I watched some stuff today. I'll tell you what. Somebody's got
a nice jab, really good jab, good set up jab, and a
good good move and fast and comes and I don't know much about you other
than the two time Golden Glove champion, which is super impressive. But I
would say I was looking I go, what would I just gribe her boxing
style as? And I feel like you let your opponents sort of dictate either
you could you can box, you can go where it's scoring points and when
I'm not going to knock you out. But if someone comes with haymakers,
you're going in You'll kill them. Yeah, I'm not good. That'd be
fair to say, Like I think you could go. Boxing to me is
a real art, and it's it's it's about scoring points, and you know
if you sort of have that nonverbal agreement with your opponent and no one's going
to get a knockout. But I have a feeling that if people came at
you, you could you could you know, go blow for blow. Well,
actually I'm not Actually I'm not a one dimensional fighter. Yeah, so
some of my fights, like my style, I'm an aggressive fighter. So
at the national tournament, you know, there is a scoring system. So
a lot of times at these national tournaments, they I fight at elite level
with some level, so they're not really looking for that the fighting in the
brawlin. So at the national tournaments like I box more like at the Olympic
trials. If you see me fight the first day, I was boxing more
now everybody know when I come in the tournament. A lot of girls they
be intimidated by me because they know I'm a fighter. So I'll I'll box.
I could box, but you can. But I try to get my
opponent out of there. So if I'm in the ring and if I see
if I see it, I'm gonna take it. At Golden Gloves, the
reason why it's like one of the hardest tournaments because a lot of times those
people who go to the national tournaments, like the qualifiers and stuff, a
lot of those females they can't fight, so at the Golden Gloves they want
to see Ku bang and Ku box, right, So when they go to
these Golden Gloves, you know, it's not favoritism and all that. Like
the best wins. So that's why at the Golden Gloves you really gotta show
he is because a lot of people who do be winning at the qualifiers and
nationals, they get to the Golden Gloves and they get spanked, like cause
it's like pressure. They want to see can you take pressure and can you
give PRESSU. Sure. Yeah. So I'm all around fighter. I could
I could adapt to anything. So my opponent coming to bang, I could
bang. If they come in to box, I can box. But a
lot of times if they trying to buy that last opponent you had in the
championship of this year twenty twenty three, twenty oh, this is twenty twenty
four. I saw the twenty twenty three fight. I saw that one twenty
twenty three. Yeah, I think they had you up there. I think
they The YouTube I saw was twenty twenty three. Okay, So so that
girl looked like you wore her out. She was draping herself on you quite
a bit. Which fight was that? I posted a few of my fights
on YouTube. I just started posting, Yeah, so this one I thought
it. I thought it was the championship fight in Detroit twenty twenty three.
Okay, so that wasn't the Golden Gloves. That was not a national at
a national qualifier, and I actually I felt like I got robbed in that
fight. So I posted it on YouTube because they gave it to her,
and I did give it to her. Gave it to her. It was
a decision. Those are the worst I didn't know that. I thought it
had you as I must have misread something there because I watched it, because
I saw her drape and I saw a lot of her coming behind, like
reaching around the back of your head to pull you in, which is a
cheap that's a cheat move. And was it the fight where it said Brooke
Willin I don't know. I just know she had on I think she had
a yellow top, red shorts, white girl. I don't know. I
don't know which one. Yeah, well, anyway, it doesn't matter.
I was impressed by you know you boxing, because I go, boy,
you can go toe to toe or you could come in brown. Didn't watch
the Golden Gloves one I do. I forgot got it. I thought it
was that's from twenty twenty two. Oh okay, that's my first time ever
going to Golden Gloves and my first time I won the first night, I
won, the second I want I made to get to the finals and you
didn't and you didn't win, and I lost the first time and I got
silver of silver medal. Yeah so and then I came back the next year
and I won twice. Yeah, so let's start. Let let's go back
right because here you are you? And I spoke yesterday on the phone and
I said something about guys must be intimidated. That made a stupid old man
joke, intimidated to date you? And you said to me, but I'm
a girly girl. Yes, and I'm looking at you right, you're all
made up, pretty face yet? Right? But why the boxing? What
got you into boxing? So? I always, like growing up, I
had anger issues, So a lot of times in school I had behavioral issues.
I was always getting suspended in school, always getting in fights and stuff.
Why why do you think you were getting in fights? I think it
was the environment I come from. You know, that toxic househome and everything,
And I think, you know, just being in school and then going
to school with that anger with me and then like somebody tried me, my
first automatic response was to fight. So, like all during all my years
of school until I got into like high school, I actually got into this
big fight at school and it got really really viral, and after that my
mom put me in boxing. What do you mean to get really viral?
Somebody filmed it, yes, somebody feeling it was after school? Yeah,
why does it look like the girls fight like meaner and dirtier. Man,
they're pulling hair, you bitch is nasty. I don't understand. Sorry to
say it that way, but oh god damn, I don't remember like guys
pulling hair or anything like that. Well, my min said, when I'm
in the ring, and uh, my min said, I fight to kill,
so yeah, like not figured not literally, but figuratively, like I
want to break my opponent down, like I want you to want a quick
boxing after we fight. That's my mind. That's how bad I want it,
like not getting a ring. And it's crazy because after I have really
good sportsmanship. I always took my opponents and I show love and we could
be don't We could be cool after, but we in the ring were not
friends at all. It's a different mind it's a different mindset. You you're
a very competitive person. But so that's interesting that it went from street fights
at fourteen fifteen years old. Yeah, I was thirteen fourteen that I grew
up fighting. Yeah, well right here yep in Rochester rough? Yes real
r? Why why do you think it's so rough down there? What the
hell is going on in Rochester? Yeah? Well, actually when I was
okay, so I moved to Charlotte, North Carolina during middle school. Okay,
so I spent my elementary, middle school to second grade in Rochester.
I spent my years and I was always getting suspended and I was fighting up
to second grade. Yes, in Rochester when I lived here, but I
grew up here, I was born here, So I was always fighting and
stuff. So my mom wanted to, you know, let's get you out
of the environment. Yeah, let's get you a different place, more more
opportunity and stuff, because she I honestly feel like if it wasn't for boxing,
actually I wouldn't know what's type person I'll turn out to be. Ill.
Probably you know, it could have went down a different route, probably
in jail or that, cause that's how bad my anger was. So when
we moved to North Carolina, when I moved down there, and I was
like the new girl. She and then they thought like, you know,
cause I'm from Rochester. So I put on like I tell people I'm from
Rochester, New York. So they look at that old like, you know,
you're from upstate. Yeah. So when I went down there, I
was fighting. And then when I was in high school, I got into
the fight and it went viral. You got a fight up here in high
school down there, I got one into Charlotte, North Carolina. So when
I got in a fight there, it came all the way back to Rochester,
all the way back home to all my family because this is where all
my family stay in Rochester. Yeah, so I got that viral my mom
after that. My grandma, when she seen the fight, she was like,
you better, you need to put that girl in boxing or something,
cause that girl is dangerous. Like she was like, that girl is dangerous.
So I had gone to boxing when I first stepped in the gym,
Like where was the first gym here or Charlotte? It wasn't Charlotte, yep.
So then I came back to Rochester three years ago on a college break.
I went to Fevielle State. It's the HBCU. I stayed on campus
and I was training there. I always stayed in the boxing gym. When
I came from Charlotte. What was the college against Fail State University. That's
where I go and I lived on campus. But you go there now I
live. I'm online now because I live back in Rochester. Okay, Okay,
so I've been I've been training here for three years now. Who's your
trainer. Do you so coach Jills is actually my coach. I don't know
him. He's at doesn't knuckles. Yeah, so I used to train Chilight,
right, No, it's off Avenue. It's like, yeah, boxing
gyms is in the cut like you gotta it. Won't ever say it's a
boxing gym at to just you know, go check it out, you gotta
know. And boxing gyms are not the food food ship that people think,
right. My favorite gyms were always the one where the bags were held together
by duct tape and you had the bench. If there were weights, it
was free weights. They were rusty, they were old, and that was
real working out. Nobody was there to look at themselves and mirrors. Yes,
that's how it's supposed to be. It's supposed to be rough. Yeah,
it's supposed to be right. Yeah. Yeah. So the boxing thing,
what has it done for your life? Then? Honestly, I can
say it has let me. It let me know what type of person I
am. And I learned a lot about myself and it helped me like grow
that discipline, that maturity because when you're in a sport, even as a
you know, being a young lady in boxing, you got a mature fast
and adapt because I'm fighting girls who like in a thirties sure, way older
than me. You know, they a lot of them be more stronger than
me. They got that grown woman's strength. And I'm you know, I'm
young. So when I was seventeen, I turned elite. I had a
choice to be youth or elite. So I was fighting girls. You know
that's twenty eight. Well you're not gonna get better by fighting that, right,
you want to go up in competition. I say that to my son
is he lives in the South with his mom in Alabama, and he's doing
basketball and he joined an AAU team and he's like, man, these guys
they're all dunking and you know he's fourteen and six foot. But he's like,
I go, yeah, well, you're not gonna get better by playing
down. No, No, you're not so that. That's so you really
realize what you had for yourself. You saw, yeah, and you liked
it. Yeah. I fell in love with it, like I just knew
I was made for it. And then I always was a fighter, Like
I always had that fighter in me and like, you know that chip on
my shoulder. So when I joined boxing, where does the chip come from
for you, because if I saw you walking down, I wouldn't I just
seem like a nice kid. Yeah, I'm a sweet person, but I
got that side of me, like don't mess with me. Like you know,
a lot of people will test that when you are a kind person,
I feel like a lot of people would provoke you or try to get you
out of character purposely, and sometimes people take your kindness as a weakness.
So I'm that type of person you can only but push me so many times.
And that's why I'm glad I found boxing because a lot of times it
wasn't me that would get that would just start fights. It was more so
people would try me. And I think when people do look at you and
think, I think a lot of times people do you know, they underestimate
you, or they look at you in certain ways, so they probably think,
oh she probably you know, So I let people know I'm not the
one that's that's always been me when I was younger, like, you're not
gonna play with me. So when you like when you were fighting as a
kid, right, you're getting me. Was there sort of a street credit
thing for you or or a hallway cred? Will call it at school,
like you kind of knew, people knew not to mess with you. Well
in high school when I had gotten into that fight, you know, because
nobody really knew me on camp. Well, people knew me on school and
stuff, and when they see me fight, I think a lot of people
were shocked because they never, like, you know, they never expect that
of me. But and then I have you got it? Have you gotten
any street fights after you started boxing? Yes, I'm keeping out. Yeah.
One one actually it's one, but see now that that's where you be
dangerous because now you know some stuff. One Yeah, but it was a
situation where it was three girls and it was I was with my cousin and
it was two other girls and they actually was trying. It was trying us
in the store. Yeah, and I we didn't know them and they wanted
to fight my cousin. It was a situation where you walk by, you
know, female, and they think you don't say excuse me or something like
that. So but I tried to avoid it. Honestly, I tried to
avoid it. But it was some situations where I had to protect myself and
I was outnumbered, so I didn't fight. I did. I'm gonna keep
it rop other time, you know it was, but they was asking for
it and all it was trying to be what are ladies? What do you?
What are the ladies fight like? Sometimes over dudes? No, I
mean that's what some girls fight. I don't fight over no dude. I'm
never pressed about a dude. But uh, I think a lot of times
people fight for their respect. But me, I don't have a point to
prove. It's just I'm not gonna sit there and let nobody just, you
know, just punch me or whatever. But now I have a lot of
self control. But I realized too, when you as a boxer, you
gotta stay guarded because a lot of people that don't know they don't know that
I'm a boxer, so people will still try you. That's the thing.
A lot of people who don't know you a fighter, they will still try
you. You still live in the neighborhood you were grew up in, kind
So I grew up in around street that's in Rochester by Plymouth. I grew
up around that street, so I actually live in the city still. Now
we move back to you see a lot of the same people. Yes,
when I'm trying to push you a little bit. No, Actually, a
lot of people they respect me. But you get situations where people do try
to get you out of character and stuff. But it's like people who don't
know you. You know, or well, now you've got you've got a
focus in something that you're working towards. You want to be on Team USA.
Yes, yeah, so Friday you leave for Colorado. Yes, no,
Sunday, Sunday, Sunday I leave out. So Sunday you go to
Colorado and you could be an alternate on the team. Yes, all right,
how do you get to be on the team? So how does the
two time Golden Glove not get on the team? I don't get that.
Actually in boxing is actually politics. So a lot of times, you know
USA Boxing, like some people who were supposed to be going to the Olympics
right now, they fought they won, you know, just because I went
to the Olympic trials. Even the girl who actually because I lost in the
semifinals. So the girl who had won the Olympic trials, she actually was
gonna be the Olympic alternate. So even though she won the Olympic Trials,
she was she was only gonna be an alternate. They already had a female.
They got a female out who went to the Olympics. But mind you,
she never even really fought to prove out of everybody in her weight class
that she's the number one. They kind of like when you're the number one,
they kind of put them in a box so where you won't ever see
them at tournaments to where you could fight them. So I never even got
a chance to fight the number one girl, you know. So it's one
of those situations where they got they picked who they want, They got who
they want in mind, and you know, it's like politics. So it's
like one of those things where you know, you can't even if I would
have won an Olympic Trials, they still would have had her going to the
Olympics. Well, so you talk about going to the Olympic Trials, you
lose in the semifinals, What does losing mean to you? So, honestly,
from that fight, usually if I because I took an L before,
and when I took an L it was more and so by points. Yeah,
right, So when I lost staph fight, I look at it as
a lesson honestly, because I went out with a bang. It was the
number two girl and it's crazy because she a banker, she's a brawler.
So when she got a ring, I was expecting her. I came in
there to fight. I wasn't trying to box because I wanted to hurt her,
you know, that was my mindset. So when I got a ring
with her, I was banging and then I was boxing, but I was
more so banking because I wanted to take it from her. So she was
trying to keep me at the end, like at a distance and box me.
So she won off of points. Like she was being she was trying
to keep me at a distance and not engauge much. You know, in
her style she come forward, so she wasn't really coming forward that much that
fight. But after I had for her, I actually wasn't mad. I
wasn't sad. I actually looked at that fight and I just looked at what
I need to work on, and I was more so like it's one of
those things like you know you watch a lot of tape. Yes, I
watched all my fights. Yeah, I watched when I win, when I
lose, and I'll critique all of it. So you spent a lot your
You're yeah, how many who's the coach again? So coach Jows is my
coach. I used to train at Baden Street but now I'm back at Nasty
Knuckles Boxing, so he has he had other elite fighters like you. So
actually I used to train with coach Coach Dad. He's in Charlotte, North
Carolina. That's who started me off and taught me, you know, all
the fundamentals and the basics. So when I came to Rochester. Now I'm
a free agent and I work with coach coach Johns House, and I work
with Muyos. You know, I did midwork and stuff with him in the
gym. Yes, I love Muyos. Muyos is a great coach. But
right now I'm working with Coach Jaws and I'll train with him right now.
Yeah, it's not Charleston Natural Murray isn't. No, I couldn't tell you
what you're saying because I'm going because Charles was coaching people for a while.
Yes, he's at base. Yeah he's still Baden Streets and he was doing
it even at his house for a while. Yeah, he was doing old
school. He is way old school, and he's hard to understand nowadays.
Yeah, yes, it makes it tough, It makes it tough. Uh.
So I'll just ask you this one last thing. Who are you fighting
for now? Like who I'm fighting for? Yeah, I'm fighting for it
to make it, you know, to really accomplish all my dreams that I
always had since I was fifteen. I was always inspired by Clarissa Shields.
She's a two time only Big Gold medalist and now she's a world champion,
and so I just looked at her doing it, and I always thought,
like, I know, if I see her doing it, I can do
it. So I just see myself be becoming the world champion and one of
the greats, and I want to fight the best. Yeah, I can
see it. Yeah, but then what are you gonna do when you when
you make who's your favorite fighter to watch? So my favorite fighter actually watches
Davontae Davis and Clarensa Shields. And I love Katie Taylor. I actually spar
her you do. Yeah, Okay, what you make, Let's say you
make millions of dollars, what's the first thing you're gonna get? The first
thing? I know what you're gonna do. Uh, you know that's a
good question. I have a feeling that you're close with your mom. Yes,
I talked to your mom briefly, really briefly, but I could tell
I'm definitely gonna take yeah, I figured, yeah, and give back to
the people who supported me. Yeah. Uh no, do you do you
have to leave right now? Yeah? Right now? All right, well
you tell me because we'll take a break. We'll take a break here.
I forgot that I have my own apology to someone. I didn't realize where
we were. But that's all good. Uh, lots of things to talk
about tonight, Danny, all kinds of stuff going on. But what I'd
like to do is and maybe we'll go live on Instagram and then can I
hold mits? I want to see if I can hold mits for a champion.
I don't know if I can because I did it mostly for exercise class
the last couple of years. And these people move slow. They slow,
They're slow, but you know, and I don't. She looks like I
watched I watched you know what if I were you? Did you watch pro
wrestling at all? Actually no, but I used to wrestle them. Oh
did you really? You played football as well? I want to talk all
about this stuff. We got to get to all that stuff. We got
to get to all that stuff. Yeah, so I was gonna say,
like you just just show up at the Olympics and be like I want you
like you, like just challenge the winner right now, right likew style right
the cut of promo on, I'm like right there in the what are they
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again. Yeah, I mean Queen Tammy. Yeah you so jummy bad Bunny.
I don't know bad Bunny very well other than the big hits that would
be played everywhere. Yes, yes, he's uh man, he's everywhere bad
Bunny. So al Jerria Johnson the champ. I got the whole mits.
I was so excited. We went on Instagram live. I don't know how
many people saw it. Then we take it. I think Instagram, you
have to we have to hold the phone the other way. That's not your
fault. You did it the right way if we were filming it. I
I have no idea. I have no idea that I didn't even realize it.
But I don't think I could be uh I would be a good box
and go. She is quick. You've got quick hands, you do.
And I know you were holding back that power because I could I could feel
little I was sailing herself for the later round. You gotta be smart.
I actually I don't save myself. I take everything I got in me when
I fight. You don't rope a dope. What's that You don't rope a
dope? Oh man? It's it's what Ali did in his later years to
George Foreman, was gonna kill him? You mean I use the ropes?
No. In other words, like just let him tire himself out in the
later round. You just start beating the piss out of him. See it
depends like if I see them tired, I'm gonna hop on them. But
yeah, of course I'm the go getter, Like I don't wait for them
to get tired amateurs and it's not time for that. In the pros,
that's when you can move like that, you slow the past down. But
the amateur is they it's so quick. The rounds go by fast. You
really don't got time to be you know, you will lose a fight like
that, trying to wait for somebody to get tired. Yeah, okay,
yeah, all right, you can't do the Floyd Mayweather thing where you're like,
no, well, Floyd Mayweather was one. I always called him a
matador because he would lure guys and you know, he could move and move
and then when he saw him getting tired, you know, and he could
just score points with that quick like. He's not a knockout artist. He's
just a point No, he was a points guy, but he was.
He was great. He's never lost, no, no, he's never lost.
Smart. Yes, well that's what I said to you. I think
boxing. I think that a lot of times we think, you know boxing.
You hear Mike Tyson talk and you go a bunch of idiots, and
I go, no, these are smart. Smart, one of my favorites.
Smart. You watch you watch Mike. I mean, Mike had this
great move where he would go low right, he would hit you, hit
you. The guy would swing, he like roll underneath it and man,
it was like three to the rib, three to the you know, lower
rib upper I mean, and those are the ones that are delayed. You'll
see guys in boxing. If you ever watch fights where all of a sudden
you see a guy kind of take a knee and go down. Yeah,
and you go, well nothing happened, Oh no, no, those body
shots just a few seconds ago. That right there. I mean, man,
you come, that's it, you come quick like. That was the
thing I was watching is I didn't get to see a lot of your footwork,
but I could tell just from you know, a lot of boxing his
hips. So if you're moving those hips, you get up on that toe
on that three, man, you can come. It's amazing what you can
do with the rest of your body. It's not just your arms, and
it's a lot of legs. And if you do that right, man,
you can throw. I alway used to tell people all the time and they
would tell me I was wrong, But I still if you're throwing that too,
bring it all. If you want to come in, bring it all,
head shoulders, just bring it. Bring it. You know. You
look on my Instagram, that's where I got more of my like on YouTube,
I only post like a little bit of my fights. A lot of
people be wanting to see my fights. I post like highlights on my Instagram
because I mainly be on Instagram. That's really where all the boxers follow me
and stuff. And I'll post a little stuff here and there on Facebook,
the guys watch this and ask you out. A lot of a lot of
du be trying to talk to me. But yes, yes, I don't
be worried about that. I'd be staying focused. I know it's a distraction
or it's a big distraction, and who knows, it could be an opponent
trying to and some decoy do over try to get Yeah, I just be
in the gym. I stay focused in the gym. Laura joined us,
and it was my apologies because we were starting early and things got changed up.
But she was supposed to go on a date boxing like an exercise class,
and she didn't. She didn't do it, but I think I think
she liked watching you do, Mitch. That was incredibly impressive, and I
said it was like I got flustered. I was like, I could imagine
it's an awesome workout. I thought I always thought it was the best workout.
Yeah, well, I'm in training, Like I don't post nothing like
how I really trained. But if people was to see how I trained,
they'll think I'm crazy because like when I'm in training camp, yeah I'm real
mean, like i i'd be mean, like not when I'm like, I
have to be like that. When I have a fight coming up, I
go into isolation and I just come to the gym. I'll speak, you
know, a character. Yeah, I get in the character. Even it's
crazy because even when I'm sparring, like I spar with the guys in the
gym, I barely sparred females. And when I did spar females before the
tournament, it was females that I know, like you know, from out
of state, and I had them come. It was a pro fighter.
She actually trained out of Custom the Model gym where Mike Tysty used to catch
Yep. She trained out of that gym, and she's a pro fighter.
But she's really she's really aggressive and I'm an aggressive fighter. So at Golden
Gloves, I I know that I'm gonna fight some shorter girls. I'm used
to fighting all tall girls, so when they shorter, I gotta keep them.
I got a box with them and bang. I gotta do both because
when they shorter, they can sometimes come over and catch you with shots.
So I had her come down. Well, she actually reached out to me
because she wanted she wanted to set up to sparring with me and stuff,
and I was down with it. So she came down to Rochester and I
got some work in with in with her, and it was good because she
was aggressive fighter. And when I'm in the gym, I mean, like
she's my friend outside of boxing. But when I'm in the gym, like
I'm sparring, I don't play like everything, Like I just be real,
like how much are you doing? Like wall sits and ab work, abag.
Sometimes what happens like you would put your hands up and they would just
hit you with stuff in the stomach, So I did I did stuff like
that? Well they would or or they'd have you stand there and they would
throw a medicine ball at your stomach. So I mean some coaches do that.
Yeah, that's old school shit. Yeah. I used to do that
with my old coach sometimes before the fight, you know, the strengthen my
core and stuff. But like mainly, like my last training camp, I
mainly was doing more technical stuff, working on more technical But I always do
a lot of cardio. I run how much you run down three miles?
Sometimes I'll do four miles, And I do sprints and I jump rope.
Yeah, and I just do everything. And when I shadow box. Uh,
I do everything with a purpose, Like I don't just go in there
and just do it. I'm going there with a meaning. Let me let
me touch on your shadow box for a second, because shadow boxing is it
sounds. It sounds weird, right, and you're sick. I watched you
shadow boxing the video. It's like you had You're going up against an opponent.
You were legit right in there, and I've seen a lot of people
shouting you're mailing it in and you know what I'm saying again for the mirror,
Okay, but I was watching you. I go this, this young
lady is legit. Yeah, legit. Yeah you got a mission, don't
you? Yes, I do. It's like I'm just hungry for it because
I just know, like I just have a dream and I just got the
mindset I'm not letting nothing stop me. And then I just know that when
you win, you just got to stay hungry because you can't. I know
when I when I'm not comfortable, that's when I I know something bigger is
coming. So I never get too comfortable. I like to make myself uncomfortable.
I put myself comfortable situation, like what give me an uncomfortable, like
like I take a cold shower every day for two minutes. No, that's
my uncomfortable. I agree with you. Now, A lot of people would
make fun of me because that's not if you really wanted a cold plunge.
But I don't have where I live. I'm not putting a cold plumb.
So I do the cold shower. But I do it for that reason to
make myself a little bit uncomfortable, make myself up, and it makes me
feel like I did something. I did nothing. I stood there in cold
water, spit on me. But you know, I get what you're saying.
Yeah, but I basically do stuff I hate to do. Like honestly,
I hate running, but when I'm doing it, in my head,
I tell myself I love it. I throw on some music yeah, and
I just got bad buddy going yeah. And then after I run, I
feel good that I ran, you know, I feel better. So when
I do the stuff that I hate to do, Like even yesterday, I
was training and my coach Chatty do strength and cardio. So I'm just staying
in shape in sharp just before I leave out for camp, you know,
and I did cardio in condition. I was just thinking, like that,
So you gotta raise a lot of money for this stuff. Yeah. Actually
I come out of pocket for like the tournaments and the Golden Gloves. Actually
they helped pay for the Golden Gloves the LBC, but all the national tournaments
I go to, I'll come out of pocket. So it's like I still
got to work and box, right, So what's you're because you're a home
health aid Yes, I'm all yep. If those patients still want to cooperate,
you watch your mouth. It can get over well man, if you
let it get rick in that mic, don't. I got a good client.
They real good people and they know I'm a boxer and stuff, so
they support that. I you know, and they know I gotta go to
Colorado. So it's a perfect job for me and fit in my schedule because
you know it's gonna be times. So let me get this straight. You're
twenty two, Yes, you work full time. Yes, you're you're still
doing online college yep. And you're boxing yep. Wow, that's a lot.
But you but you you like doing a lot, don't you. Yeah.
I just keep you out of trouble. It do, and it gets
you away from the boys. It definitely do it just keep you focused,
and I just want to be I also don't want to I'm bigger than boxing,
so I'm a boxer and I know I'm gonna make it in boxing,
but I know I want my story to reach people as well, like when
I do make it in a sport, and I don't want to just be
like coming a sport and just show I just only have talent. You know,
some people got talent, but nobody knows them. What do you want
to do? I actually want to. I really want to change lives to
like young women, give them hope, go back in the community and mentor
like kids or young girls who you know feeling lost or anger. Boxing gym
for for women someday only because I think a lot of times it's intimidating to
walk into and forget me. I don't mean this insultingly, but a boxing
gym can be intimidating. A real boxing gym. You go in there,
these guys, aren't you know, they're not open arms, welcoming in that
everybody's sizing you up as soon as you come in. Where you're going to
fit in, what's going to happen? And I think, you know,
for a young lady like you. To find that and endure that is well,
you got confidence. Just it just oozes for me. That background.
So I have a rough background, You're very confident. I don't know whether
that came from being rough or not. I think there's probably people who came
from the same neighborhood who aren't as confident as you. You got a lot
of confidence. So I think walking in there, you're like, yeah,
go ahead and see what you can do. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I think that. But I think if you did that for women, I
bet you would help the sport immensely. I'm women's sports right now, I
think are starting to finally get some I don't like the term respect because that
seems shitty, but I think it's getting attention, more eyes, more eyes,
right, Basketball, for sure we see a lot of that, yeah
yeah, but I also think like you're starting to see some other Yeah,
soccer for many years, I mean, of course, we had Abby Wambach
from here, who was, you know, big, But I would love
to see women's box and get you a little more attention. It's growing.
Yeah, Like actually, Amana Surrondo and Katie Taylor, they're going to fight
for the second time and I actually shared the ring with Katie Taylor, and
I was like, wow, I couldn't believe I sparred one of my favorite
fighters. But my favorite boxer is Clarissa Shills. But I got to ring
with Katie Taylor, and I always watched her because her style is like similar
to mine's a little bit. She's real fast, she throw a lot of
combinations, and she's a pro fighter now. But she actually won the Olympics
too. She's from Ireland. Uh yeah, those Irish people. Yeah,
she's tough. I was gonna take give him a get a lot. You
can't touch my way. Talk to me about you as a young lady.
You play. Tell me this football story so, because that's another thing,
like you gotta have confidence you walk on a football field. Yes, so
it's crazy because actually I got in when I got in that fighting school.
That's when I was on the football team too. I just knew I needed
to be in a sport. In Charlotte, YEP, in Charlotte, North
Carolina. Man Charlotte, you played in football, Yes, the first female
to ever play for my high school hard and high school well position. I
played middle linebacker, special teaser. When I was on special teams on the
because usually you know, all right, folks, we're gonna bring out the
punter. Yes, right, kick a field goal that you were a middle
linebacker? Did you start? Actually when they had me, they put me
on the field, but I didn't start, okay, but you got in?
Yeah, I got in on the games? Did put me in JV
JV? And was actually the how many tackles did you? Please? Tell
me you got more tackles and some of the guys. I got a lot
of tackles, but I don't remember the exact amount, but I used to.
Yeah, I was. I was pretty good, but I wasn't like
that was the sport I loved, So I wasn't really all into it.
But I just stayed like never worried about getting hurt. No, I always
wanted to hurt people. I always wanted to hurt other people. So I
was just aggressive, but like in the I in a way like where I
just want to hurt people. But like when I'm in sports and stuff,
like I'm just a real like like I don't know, I can't explain.
I'm not like passive at all, Like I'm aggressive with everything I do.
Did you play basketball and all two No, I just football. Yeah,
I like hands on and then I'm I was a fighter. But was it
hard to get to let I don't know what the mindset is in Charlotte,
North Carolina, or are they open to having a girl play? You know
what? They was so open because it was me and they are all the
boys on the team. They knew who I was. They know they seen
me fighting school and stuff, so they was all more so like they look
at me as a sister. Of course, some of the boys are trying
to talk to me, but I didn't pay that. No mine, I
was girl. I was the only girl on the team. So when I
was around them, I I turned off that feminine energy. I go into
my mass energy. So I was like one of the homeboys. I was
real like, you know, so you got a lot of you are very
you talk crash in the running backs. No, I actually I was cool,
Like you never drooled when It's not like I used to get drooled on.
They would drool in your face and lay there a little extra. Well,
you were a defensive player as usually. What I was gonna say is
you have a You're very uh self aware, aren't you? You know yourself
and you know that you're in control. You learn it early. So you
know that that idea of switching on switch it off kind of thing, I
think is really it's something. Yeah, that's that's something that that's impressive.
That's impressive. And your mom's got to be she got to be a little
nervous about you boxing and stuff. No, No, because my mom,
my mom actually happy that I'm in boxing because she seen like she know that
that's basically saved me in a way. Yeah, so my mom loved that
I box and stuff. It was my grandmo that was more so. Like
you know, I think because there are a lot of people like, oh,
you should model or something like that. That's because they they look at
me from a girl aspect, But my mom or people that can't do both.
Yeah, I can't. I can't do both. That's the thing I
know how to balance. Yeah, you know that. So when I am
in a boxing gym, that's where I turn all that off. When I'm
sparn and stuff. You know. The tough part with boxing is like the
sport itself over the years has been sort of eroded because you had so many
different titles, different organizations trying this. You got no one could tell who
you know outside of heavyweight, no one really knew what was happening. And
then I also think you got some greedy guys in there. Yeah, that
was you know, people stealing money or taking money. I mean it really
were in a gosh, it was bad. It's still bad. It's still
bad. Can't they can't even unify them, they can't unify the belts,
and you don't know what's And so I always think because some of the best
fighters aren't the heavyweight guys, but they're the one now. Yeah uh yeah,
well, I mean, yeah, some of the past back in the
nineties, man, like like a big time fight like holy Field that was
a heavyweight. What I was saying is like that was the last time,
like we cared about the heavyweight division. When Lennox Lewis finally beat Mike Tyson
or no, he beat Evander Holyfield, that was it. We stopped caring
about heavyweight boxing. A lot of people watched Tyson Fury. Yeah, I
like him. I like a lot of people watched just lost he did.
Yeah, and this fight Saturday is Damonte is gonna go crazy. Yeah,
that's one of my favorites to Davis. I love Jimon Davis because he he
mean and the ringky mean, like he'd be trying to knock his opponents out.
And I like that because you know some people go in there they want
to fight, Like I'm sorry, if I could get you out of,
I'm gonna get you out of. I don't have no mercy when I'm in
a ring, Like you want to knock me out? Not not at your
party, just stay here, ye not the party. No no, no
no, we'll talk about dildo, but you get in the ring. I'm
like, I can be feisy. But I'm thinking like female sports, you
know, I think that there's a lot of sports that women can be like
aggressive on the field and then like more feminine or like relaxed off the field.
I played soccer. I like if I probably still hold that for getting
the most red cards in my high school. I'm not you. I'm not
gonna fuck with the boxer on or out of the ring because you say one
wrong thing. Well, I feel like, but she knows she's not here.
Yeah, I'm not going to just punch somebody head. I feel like
I feel like you could probably like give anyone a little bit of attitude and
they're gonna be like okay, like if you're at like if you're at the
Target store, let's say, and she bunches you in line, you know
because like those ladies could get pretty candy at the Target store. I just
say, I'll really be like humble. I'd be more of myself, Yeah,
because I know how hands are delicate, right you, You don't need
to mess with that stuff to get in trouble like with USA. I'm not
pro yet. When you protest, but considered a dead weapon. But right
now amateurs, yes, But when you're in the amateurs, what I'm saying
is, you know somebody, you get in the street with somebody, there's
a chance you hurt your hand or something happens, so they you know,
they move, you hit the car. Who knows. You don't need that
stuff. Yeah, I don't be. I don't be street fighting out,
but I do. I still protect my if I if it comes down to
it where I have to protect, I will protect myself. But I would
never like I never picked fights for nobody, and a lot of people respect
me. I really don't have any problem. Of course they should. Yeah,
respect. It's your first instinct with somebody is to throw a punch,
there's something wrong with you. We need to find a better way. That's
where that self control coming. This is part of our problem, and it's
part of the problem that I see a lot of times with young guys,
especially in the you know, all of a sudden, there's no talk anymore.
Now it's and they're not even using fist, they're using weapons. Yeah,
that's why. And another thing, I'm a boxer. Nobody gonna sit
there and fight me in the city. Oh no, They'll either jump you,
they'll try to kill you. So I wouldn't put myself in that position.
But if I do have to protect myself, I will protect myself.
But you know, I don't never be in that type of environment. Well
I'm in that environment because I live in the city, but it can happen
anywhere. But I don't put myself in situations to where I have to be
aggressive because I know what type of person I am, and you know,
people got limits. So a lot of times, when you do make it
to a certain level, you see some people who you know, become famous.
You'll hear an incident about them getting into it, and everybody's like,
oh my god. You know, but you gotta realize too. People are
humans. Some people do like test people and try to purposely get them out
of character just to try to prove somebody else, Oh, they're not this
person they say are, and it's not that. It's a lot of times,
you know, you can't just keep poking people poking people. So I
just make sure I stay out of environments where people, Yeah, people who
would trigger me or try to give me our character, I just stay away
from them. Or I just you know, I try to lose. Yeah.
Hearing you speak and you're talking about your confident and you have goals beyond
boxing, and you know that you can achieve that, yet you're not gonna
fuck up and tell that you are setting those goals and going to them.
We'll take a moment. There's a story, and you're welcome to stay.
Okay, there's a story that our friend Balls Breen had NBC, and I
think a friend of yours had reached out to me, and I think somehow
he's related to the person involved. It's about a Big Lots manager who got
fired for following somebody supposedly stealing. But we'll explain, yes, and we'll
explain, and then we're going to talk to his name is Pat Geider,
and Pat it no longer has a job, kids in college and everything,
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to be in Colorado. All right, So there's an interesting story. Uh,
and I'll play our friend Berkeley Breen talking about it. This is sort
of the follow up to it because they did the story and then people contacted
ten NBC and said, hey, wait a second, we witnessed this,
uh a lot of times when there's robberies, uh, store theft. Right,
somebody's walking out a home depot and they just they just loaded up a
bunch of plumbing stuff and they're just cruising right out the door. They're told
not to go chase those people because there's a good hands you're going to be
on the losing end of it as the employee, and then the business has
to pay for whatever right they don't want to do all the danger involved,
all the danger we heard all of a sudden. The works cop casts the
story just just up the road in Walmart, where all of a sudden,
employee runs out. There's a getaway car. He jumps on. He's holding
unts in a winchel White persons. They were whipping him around the parking lot.
You know, I mean you end up bed off of red bulls.
Yeah, yeah, right, so that, by the way, But the
most stolen item in Walmart red bull red bulls, four packs red bull.
The fact that you know that scares me. It might be you be part
of that. Yeah, maybe, But this is uh so, this isn't
exactly what happened at Big Lots, at least not according to the story.
The store manager followed the shoplifter into the parking lot because he says he saw
the shoplifter take a swing at his assistant manager. Well, it turns out
as that shoplifter was trying to get out of the store. He threw an
elbow into a customer too. Okay, so the guy was leaving and I
think when we talked to Pat, he's the manager. I think he said
to guy, hey, you may want to go over to that line,
and the guy kept walking. His manager was putting carts back and as she
stepped out in front of the guy, and he swung at her, and
she just pulled back and he grazed his face. I think she took boxing
lessons with zero for this. Okay, you know a little pull back,
you just pulled, want to pull? So she uh, she got she
got grazed, but it was ass all I felt. This is another woman
who said she got the elbow something shoved me. Karen and Tom Meagan had
just finished shopping at the Big Lots on Hudson Avenue. Karen says the shoplifter
dropped his elbow into her as he ran away. I was startled when it
happened, and then when I saw what was going on, I guess I
was just angry. This is the incident that the former store manager says got
him fired. PAD gotta believe she got fired because he violated the company policy
about pursuing and trying to identify shoplifters. Guiter says he followed the shoplifter because
he threw a punch at his assistant manager. I let people whose shoplifts leave
the store every day. Every day we just put it in the system that
they ask us to do. This was an assault. This wasn't shoplifting.
This was an assault. And I thought I was doing the right thing by
calling asset protection and reporting it, and it ends up getting me fired.
Unbelievable, unbelievable. Yeah, he's right. I know he's right. I
know he's right. He's right. No good d goes up pun as you're
going, I drive off the big lot. Maybe I need to start shoplifting.
I went to help in California. They gotta lock everything up with the
Walgreens because guys are just takeing stuff. I mean, come on, I
just want to get razors. Yeah, I think that's the thing in Vegas.
It's a robotustin. Please. Yeah, I knew somebody who went to
Vegas and said that coughed by razors and you needed to get someone to come
down. Everything's behind a case while who's lobbying for it dollars Dave club asking
him from us man, We'll mail him to you, no problem. Yeah,
but you can't steal him, No, you can't. In an earlier
interview, Tom told me that he drove around the neighborhood looking for the shoplifter.
When he didn't find him, he returned to the store. This is
this is the citizen, not the Friday night key. And Karen watched our
story on his firing, was like, oh my god, isn't that the
manager. Isn't that the guy that we met? And we were shocked.
We were like, they fired him for doing nothing, Karen says Irondicuoit police
asked her if she wanted to file a report, but she declined in ironic
woit. Berkeley by new stended me, you know, we have emailed and
called Big Lots for a week now. We asked for the company policy on
this and if following a shoplifter out of a store is a fireable offense.
The company has still not responded. You're not going to respond. The lawyers
are telling him keep your mouth shut. Yeah, and then but they let
this figure out, no severance really and and immediately. And this is a
weird one to me because because all of a sudden it becomes a liability if
he goes after them, that's the whole that's the case. They're going to
they get rid of him. And then he said, and we'll call him.
He said that his uh, his benefits were shut off immediately. Usually
it takes thirty days to get those up, so yeah, he definitely needs
to Hello, Pat, I'm sorry we're running a little behind here, but
I appreciate your being patient. How's our friend Crones? If you were with
Crones earlier, Crones doing well good. We were just telling your story and
we played the second version that news TENNBC did the follow up where the citizens
the witnesses were there and the lady who got the elbow, and I think
they kind of recap capped everything. But the part that I can't kind of
wrap my head around is how immediately they turn turn off your benefits. That's
one you usually have to take like a month to get started and it usually
goes for another thirty days at least that The other people have told me that
too, but they were cut off that day. Yeah, done. So
what happens now, because it sounds like you have a reasonable case. You
wanted to see your your friend and your employee assistant manager, right, wasn't
she assistant manager? Or am I wrong? She was the assistant manager,
I think right? I think right now she's the acting manager. Yeah,
so, but she was the one that almost got punched in the face.
Had she not moved herself sort of out of the way, that, as
you've pointed out, would be assault. So you just keep an eye on
where the guy went. You didn't interfere with him. Well after I saw
the film, after the whole thing, because remember Bill, these are instantaneous.
My decision to even you know, call the police, to call the
police is a no brainer for me, no brainer something. He was just
assault, so I stopped and saw her. But my decision to quote unquote
follow him from a big distance. I'm not an idiot. I've been in
retail for forty two years. I know I keep my self safe and customers
safe. But just to help the police catch this guy because he's violent.
He's violent. And uh so my decision to do that was based on that,
did I answer your question? Yeah? No, No, it was
based on the fact that there was assault, not not a robbery, right,
Yes, that's what I mean. So, yeah, because that happens
every day there. So what happened I said, I said, I go,
maybe I need to start shoplift, and then nobody seems to care.
Well, you know what, that's unfortunately, that's what's happened. You should
you should go back in to Big Lots, to the store you managed,
and he should just just take a bunch of stuff and walk out. Just
when when I worked at the when I worked at the Big Lots in Henry,
there's a stables next door. One day they stole like fourteen thousand dollars.
As the manager in comes over to me, she goes, pet,
you need a leftop or anything, just come take from my store. I
can't do anything. She was so frustrated. She goes, you need a
laptop, your kidney, the leftop, just come take it. I can't
do anything. Now. As a manager, I'm sure you had to sit
in on a lot of meetings and a lot of training, right because you
have people, employees that that you were in charge. We have some we
have some training. Big Less doesn't have store meetings. We don't. We
don't have store meetings like Walmart does a whole nothing like nothing like that,
nothing like that. But I would assume when I say, you know,
you understood the policy of letting it go because the chances of someone getting heard
are way higher. Well, so here's my take on all this. If
you chase it. Yeah, So so for the longest time for a long
time. Now, Yes, we're supposed to let them go. We're supposed
to not grab the merchise, we're not supposed to grab them, and we're
not supposed to impede them, right for an average shoplifter, so we basically
would do that, and I've been doing that for months and months and months.
So but this instance's different. This my assistant egers insulted in front of
me. Just like if a customer isn't assaulted, I'm not not going to
do my best to let the police catch this guy. This guy could who
knows the next place he's He's probably stolen from many places since that nothing happened
to him, right, so he's probably all doing it again. Who's he
going to assault next? Who's he going to catch? Really in the side
of the head. My assistant happened to move her head, so he grazed
her, shook her up a little bit, But what is he there force
on the left side of her head. This guy's going to do this somewhere
else? So in next what second you have I'm not sitting there saying,
oh I might get tired for this, No, not thinking that at all.
But pat, you think you have a weakness. Pat, I just
detected him. Detected you care, you care too much. You actually you're
a human being and you give a sh and that's that's too good. So
what happens now? Do you have a lawsuit or even allowed to talk about
that. I don't want to put you in the well. Well, I've
got a couple of things in the fire right now. I don't expect anything
out of this. I would like, of course, I would like to
be made financially whole. Jeez, I just lost a job where I made
quite a bit of money, two thirds of my family income my benefits,
and I feel it's really unjust. You know, corporations of corporations, they
got big lawyers, they got everything. They tried to cover their own lawyers.
Yeah I know, I know, yeah, oh yeah, yes,
sumber of years ago I probably signed something that said blah blah blah. But
you know, fine, fine. The bottom line is this story is really
getting out and it wasn't due to me. It was due to my great
friends. I didn't checked anybody. It's just is it's just blowing up,
and you know what's going What was he feeling? Oh he had a whole
bag full of so our stuff that our stores doubled in the last two years
at this store. I've only been there a year, but we we do
our inventories and it's massive this year massive. And he happened to have a
big bag and I could see the holetop was filled with HBC products. We
have huge shrink in our HBC departments at this particular store. So you're talking
like, uh, notions just yes, they feel dedorant. They steal.
They just did. It's still wait wait, wait, wait, watch the
department. I thought you said h HVC. Do you want to know what
I thought? That il y? Yeah, beauty? Okay, yeah,
they slight or people are just walking out like this bewilders me. But I
I feel like I'm hearing about it more and more. Well, well,
if you're in retail, you know about it. If you're in retail stores
they have high theft, you know about it even more. It's really frustrating.
Employees get frustrated every day. The customers get really frustrated because they'll be
up at the registers. Some you'll come by steal open stuff, and the
customers to stopping them. Why aren't you stopping them? We have to say,
well, we're not allowed to. Why don't you call the police?
Well, we're not allowed to. Everybody knows it's out there. You know.
Social media's told everybody you can steal. You're not allowed to call the
police. We're supposed to. If we're going to call the police, we're
supposed to contact the district manager or the asset protection manager ahead of time.
So good good luck say that somebody. I just said, I just said
to Laura, just kind of like they got the police of bigger things.
That's sort of I was being facetious in a way, because yes, they
certainly do. But I think the store wants to show that that they tried
to do something and their last resort is the police. I guess I'm thinking,
yeah, And you know what, we happen to live in a Rondequoit
in my store of the ironticois big Lots is quarter mile f mile most from
the police department. I Rondiicuoy police are special. They take care of their
residence. And guess what he did show up. The police department showed up
very quickly. This guy was out of site. He went around dunk.
She was out of site. So the cops were there, I don't know,
just a few minutes. Yeah, they're they're that good. So you
know a lot of these these these police departments are just as frustrated. So
Wegman's disorder, our big lots as a ironically cop there they pay off duty
cops to in their sports every night. So guess what they'd just come down
a big lots of the family dollar or something. Yeah, but look a
knockoff brand. I could still you know, it may not be sure,
it might be mure. Yeah that's why I did it. Uh, listen,
So Pat, I got to think in the community we live in and
with this getting out, have you received a job offer. I've had a
couple of people reach out to me, just a couple of this started looking
for job that's on next week. I've just we know, we've trying to
get health benefits, Yeah, retu things I got to borrow from my retirement
account. I'm sixty two and a half, so I got to take money
out of retirement. And you know we have four sons to in college,
so that retirement on the load to begin with. So yeah, it's really
putting. Uh, it's brilliant tough, right, look at the death prevention
at big lots. Well you know, yeah, well you know, you
know right there just a bigger issue. This is a nationwide issue, and
it's actually, this is my take on this. It really the policies that
you can't call the police and that you can't do this, and you can't
do anything to decer. You're supposed to deter by customer service. This guy
who was stealing and tired from me the last couple of weeks, he would
just look at me with these stone cold eyes and I'd say, really,
you're gonna he's putting in his backpack. He just looked at me, walks
right by me. So these guys, it's created, that's created, uh,
stressful, more hostile work environments for us. My all my employees are
stressed and for the customers. You should see the CD characters we have in
that store all the time. Last Saturday night before I fired, I had
a guy in there. He was not highing that or something. He's taking
things off the shelf, eating food. Finally, I had only two people
in the store. One was a really big guy. Said look at we
gotta You've got to get this guy. There's quarter to nine, maybe a
robb us at night, and you know this lady who was hit by this
guy by elbowed by him. She said when she talked to Berkeley Breen,
we have people when they're run out the door. They they do run into
people. Yeah, sure, but these people know they can come in.
So these corporate policies, they say, are they protect have you had?
But you've had people eating, They've opened up food and just started guy just
the saturday before I fired the guy's and he's walking around and it's like,
can I help you make sure you like it before I buy its? Springles
night? Let me ask you why are these stores not hiring exactly what I
said? What did I save that? Maybe that money? Probably not think
about that things that everything's about money. Yeah, big loss in particular right
now is really struggling a stock market. It's always about money. Right.
So if you're open, you're open seven days a week and for twelve hours
a day, that's eighty four hours. So if you're really uncover, you
got to pay somebody eighty four hours, so that's two full time people you're
paying benefits. And then you know, if everything's about you know, being
counters money And to some degree I get that I just want to know if
a guy has ever come in and tried lotion before. What if you caught
a guy like jerking off in the corner? Man, just the right lotion
for me and that shows up person put some little samples. Yeah, this
man, this man was fired for big louts after stopping a patriot from jerking
off in Aisle six. According to a big one, I didn't think about
that. I'm sorry, I didn't think about that. But they steal a
lot of oil of a lake. Yeah, I mean I can't. I
can't keep it in the aisle. That stuff is really good. I can't
keep it in the out. I moved it up to the front end.
Well you know done. Hey man, you got to look good, and
it costs a lot to look good. So if I could say, now,
I'm not as perverted as you guys. So I didn't quite put that,
and I thought they were selling it. They know a lot of it,
as they probably do. Or you give it to you, you know,
maybe a gift for your mom. I don't know. You know,
that's that's terrible. But they do. Christmas time, you know, they're
stealing these presents. We have people going out with shopping carts by hearing me
things and give them to the kids. The stealing. Honestly, it was
every dayful. Maybe this is God saying to me, you need to get
away from this. I love my job. But then God's gonna put somebody
else in there to have to deal with the same stuff. But that,
but God's building that person. I hope I'm with Pat. He's got a
better plan. I hope Pat's hope going against your favorite commandment. He does.
He does. You notice in my in my uh in my uh uh.
When I've talked before, I mentioned right and just this wasn't right.
In just I am a faithful man. And God does have a better plan.
He does. And I'll tell you this, I've never had so much
support in my life. Mark Cronin's I probably shouldn't even say it. He
drops me. So we just had a beer at a local bar and he
leaves me this envelope. I can't even tell you how much money was in
that envelope. I'm like, oh my god, it was that much.
I was like, you know, you know, Mark, and just the
amount of people called I'll tell you what I'm at talking. Yeah, my
life insurance went or my health insurance went from three and dollars a month to
twelve hundred without my job. You know, my wife's a social worker New
York State, you know, go to New York State of Health to check
that out. Let me ask you go ahead. Yeah, I was gonna
say, I'm waiting for Big Rocks to deny my unemployment. They can deny
that. I'm just waiting for that to happen because I'm in that process.
Well, that usually happened. And if they if you're fired for cause,
yeh, then yeah, yeah I will. I don't know why I would
know that, but that's right. Then if that happens, I'll be back
on your show to say, now the bit, yeah anytime. You know,
Pat, how did you get fired? How did they fire you?
Like? Did they win you in the you know what kind of what?
They made an announcement right over the big speaker. Hey, folks, we
got a couple guys. You're fired. Well, actually, my boss,
well you know I thought it was a decent guy. We got along.
Well, he sent me to this old dumpy store from a higher volume store.
Uh, under the promise that he thought I was the one who could
really fix up this store. And you guess what. I'm fixing the plumbing
in there. I'm fixing the toilet. My last vacation, I worked five
days because I was excited. I was excited about it, and you know,
I thought he was a decent guy. So the day I was fired,
The day before I was fired on the twenty ninth, the day before,
he comes into my office this nonchalantly, sit down, this nonsense,
said, hey, you know that incident, could you just kind of write
up a little narrative? You know, they just need it for the file.
Blah blah blah. So I write up the narrative. He walks the
store with me. We're talking about all these things we're gonna do. Next
day he comes in with lost Prevention. His name's Rick Randall, by the
way. The next day, first time I've said that. The next day
he comes in with an asset protection manager. He's sitting at the desk again,
looking on his computer, not even looking at me, And I get
a little nervous that I'm called in the office and these two guys they don't
come together usually want they're fighting somebody. So I just got, hey,
what's up, guys, sean great guy they asked to protect me a great
guy. I thought my boss was a pretty good guy. And so he's
sitting looking at it if you're not even looking at me, And I said,
well, what's going on? He goes, uh, he said,
well, it's about that chap listing incident. I just got this feeling in
my gut. I'm like, I got nervous, and I said, uh,
I won't say. I said, Rick, are you firing me?
He goes, yeah, we're terminating you. I said, And I said,
you gotta be athen kidding me. And I said again, Rick,
you gotta be athen kidding me, and he said no, I'm not ken
you. I said, so you're firing me because I was trying to help
the Irondequoit police find somebody who had just assaulted my assistant manager. I said,
you've got to be asking kidding me again, and then sewn the uh
asked guy. I said, Pat, just calm down. I said,
I'm not going to calm down. Don't worry. I'm not gonna do anything
more than that. Oh my god, one of those those machine guns that
they sell with the nerve darty. I don't work for the postal Service.
Maybe I maybe I will be Maybe I'll be delivering your mail toon But anyways,
so then Sean says to me, iked me, He goes, well,
Pat, let's let's go talk, because Shawn's a decent guy. He
said, But you have to leave your keys and your radio and then grab
your stuff. We walked out the parking lot. We had a little discussion,
and you know, that was it, and they started playing this over
the loud speaker. Oh yeah, Well, what's the matter, Dan?
You know they played that inside big lots when they were taking them out.
I got it, Kevin. So I like to do I like to do
karaoke at the tightest tavern on occasion. So I said to my wife,
you know, I need to relax. So I said, do you think
it's okay for me to take this job and shove it. I didn't end
up doing it because we didn't. Yes, yes, but I was going
to sing that I think that's great. So well, yeah, go ahead.
What's the bottom line? No, you go ahead. I was going
to say, I'd like to I'd like to follow up with you, like
in a couple of weeks, just to see how you're doing and what what
is happening all this? I think this is a very interesting story. Yeah,
I'm sorry to hear it. This just burns me that this happened to
you, and you're not the only one. I'm sure it's happened many times
to people. We're just hearing about it now in our backyard, and I
mean it just it just infuriates me. Like today, I just you find
out the New York State passed the law that now if you buy a gun
with a credit card, guess what, Yeah, they have to turn your
information. She did to the government to let you. Oh so Dan Brell
bought a gun over at Gander Mountain, not that I have. I don't
know any guns. Like I've heard about the shoplifting. I guess I didn't
know why they weren't stopping it. But I must be listening because I got
a text message saying my sister worked at the hood right Aid for years.
People walk in and out all the time. They don't wants to get hurt
pursuing that because it costs the company even more if the employee gets injured,
and that they don't hire anyone because of security. Guard ain't gonna risk himself
for lotion or deal. It's all one big setups who writes the law who
runs for Congress, who would know the law laws? Hang on a second,
these aren't law. No, no, no. But my point is
that here's the thing. The policiason place because the laws are written the way
they are to allow people to sue each other. You only be able to
make the freaking money in this situation are the lawyers. But to avoid these
these city situations and litigation, all that stuff's to basically emasculate your employees doing
this. He was doing the right thing. We're protecting Yeah, you're not
protecting anybody. If this were in Texas, this would be a completely different
situation. You have guys guns out to these asshole even sick of this crap.
This is how Danny gets his cardio in No, because New York State's
run by a bunch of freaking idiots. I don't know, you're highly paid
assholes. Who's just who just want to like, just continue to George Sorow's
this country away. That's what it is. That's what it is. State's
a big shock. Rochester is a joke. We've we've just turned this freaking
state into a dump, and guys like this are getting rude because of stupid
policy. It is a stupid policy, but it's a store policy. I
understand. Store policy is not. You can say it's because of the laws
or not. Look, I don't know what's because they're worried that there's going
to be some lawsuit against them. Cared about my employee after that, Even
after they fired me, they would have called the Ironicqoit police and said we've
got video of this guy. You need to catch them. But no,
they're worried that something's going to happen in the store and they will be sued.
And I also think that they'll be riots or something. But I don't
think that it's a store policy in New York. I think it's a store
policy across the nation. It probably is. It is. So do you
think there's a situation the same way. I have no idea. I don't
know. I'm not but all I'm saying is, like when we may not
in Florida, we make no I understand. My point is that the store
policy is a store policy, and you know part of the reason, like
even what Laura said whe her her boyfriend said, like the security guard isn't
going to risk it over whatever. We don't know what this person has,
I think, so I can't say that it's necessarily lost. Yes, our
laws and yes we have flaws in New York State, there's flaws in I'm
not going to deny that. I just don't know that this isn't necessarily indicative
of that, because it could be the same policy in a big lot.
I kind of went off there, but I mean the poind of went off.
Well, I mean see that it doesn't but does it not make sense
to allow people to just steal stuff? Well, and it's okay, you
can't choose. And he allowed people to steal stuff. This was a situation
where a woman was a coworker, his employee customer was assaulted and a customer
was assaulted and I had to do. I mean, it's just I just
I just my heart just breaks for you. Patrick. It really well,
thank you, Patrick. I do want to thank you. I want to
follow up on a day that Danny's not here. Yeah, call me anytime,
give me tomorrow. If you like, log it, look it,
log it, leg it. How I agree? Uh? Real quickly,
Bill, let me just tell you. Let me just tell you. I've
listened to you for years. I know you're in a similar situation with your
job recently. But you know I've always I've always loved you with the two
wheel and prior to that, when you're we all those things. So anything
you need, if it helps your show, call me a time. Yeah,
I just I just think it's a it's a great it's an interesting story,
and it's a human interest story. And to Danny's point, uh,
this one, I don't think he broke store policy, right right, No,
I don't think. I don't think there's a policy. I don't think
we have a policy that says what to do if somebody's attacked in your store.
Certainly then they would allow me to call the police, I suppose.
But all right, yeahd that I appreciate at it. And uh, we
do need to run, but we'll let's talk again soon. Take care and
good luck with everything. You got it by his phone broke up. I
did not hang out. That's what was breaking up throughout the call. You
got it. You gotta run. Yeah, all right, let let's take
a break. I want to get a picture with those belts and you can
we do thatil heavy, I can get a picture, all right, we
gotta do that. We'll do that and speltzer heavier than when we come back.
I got some good stuff that for Danny's gonna love it. Oh good,
We're gonna calm down a little bit. No, you're fine. A
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gay. I knew I would see some chair dancing if I see this on.
I saw it. I saw it. I saw you try not to
give in. I saw I am known for at the gym. Yeah,
whenever there's a good song going on, I will dance with the gem like
even if I'm nig Like. I saw the the uh sex Toy Party the
I should It's not the sex Toy Party, it's BUILDO. It's the Buildo
Party, UH June twenty seventh. And then this is getting bigger and bigger.
What's gonna happen if somebody walks in steals a bunch of loube and walks
out of your house, so you go chase after it. Don't chase,
no, because what if they dumped the lube and you slip and hit your
head. All of a sudden, You're suing Laura bad stuff. You're sueing
Doug Felp. That's what I'm saying, Like Kevin, I understand the store
policy behind it. I mean, it sounds sort of shitty and counterintuitive,
but at the same time, unless it's your store, you know what I
mean, are you doing so you just I don't get that they can't even
prevent it in the store. Uh yeah, I don't know. I mean
unless you you know, all of a sudden you taste somebody. I guess
the worst part of that story was the way they fired him, like the
senior manager telling him, hey, could you write this down? I think
the write up is something you normally do if there was, you know,
a theft the day before, or let's say, I would have made it
so complicated because I know when that happens, you got to like make him
really you want to flare me, you better earn this. Agnes Dolan came
in and she slipped in the aisle of Uh. She was trying to get
some lotion or something. You got to probably write up something I would assume.
All right, here's here's a story that I'm not sure if what to
think of this. Rory McElroy is calling off his divorce. I almost sent
that to you last night. Oh yes, on Instagram calling off is divorce,
and I started to think, I go good for him. Those divorce
proceedings must have been filled with hazards. Man, I know what it was
because it's cheap well to keep it. I don't know, let me ask.
But here's the deal. I'm pretty sure he is his estimated networth now
that means shitty owns and all that stuff. Yeah, his membership at Okay,
what do you think it is his estimated networth about? I think it's
one hundred million dollars. Okay? Oh, Laura, I was gonna go
like seventy two hundred and fifty five million dollars. So even if you lost
half, are you doing so bad? So? Is it possible that,
like I was trying to find, I don't know what your goals are in
life? What do you mean if his goal is to like? Okay,
well, John bon Jovi fied Richie Sambora, so he could take a bigger
chunk of bon Jovi and go buy the Buffalo bills. Now, who knew
bon Jovi had that kind of cash where like it was like nine figures but
he needed more like ten or eleven or ten or eleven. But the point
is is, though, is that like, if you're Rory mclory and you're
worth two hundred million, you know you want three hundred, you want five
hundred, maybe you want a billion. I have no idea. I like
Peyd Manning's worth almost a billion dollars. Trying to figure out the percentage of
people who called off divorce and and made it to the end, right,
I don't know, because I know I know somebody who got divorced and then
remarried the same person, had another kid, and then got divorced again.
So I I have a theory. Yeah, because he he could be it
could be like he's in love or could have been. I don't know.
Well, so there was the story that he was like talking to the one
reporter. No I don't know this. Oh no, they had said that
Rory was like seen hugging another journalist or because I kept hearing that he was
playing golf too much, is what I was told. Well, that's kind
it does. Yes, I know which your job, you work too much?
No, he had been seen like hugging some sports reporter or someone who
was around the tournaments. I have a feeling that maybe he was like,
got what's the word, infatuated with her and like thought of possibly pursuing her,
and maybe he was like, we're gonna get a divorce news just in
she has no interest, and then I would have to look it up.
I'm sure if we google, like Rory mcar, I will do that while
you continue. But that my thought, just hearing this, seeing this last
night, is that he maybe developed feelings for this woman. Maybe there was
flirting and then he decided to start with the divorce, go and pursue this
other woman. CBS journalist Amanda no I thought, maybe you'd know, Danny.
Uh. I'm not going to fill in a gap, but you know
well io n I s Balanos eies Amanda Bally's spark romance rumors in the wake
of his divorce with wife Erica Stole with Flirty TV interviews. After married reporter
ditches her ring he's filed for divorce. She ditched her wedding ring and abandoned
her married name Amanda. And then there was like a picture of them hugging
or something. Hey girl, So I'm thinking that maybe they were two married
people got infatuated with each other, thought that they were going to run off,
and then maybe he like you know, excitedly did this and then took
a step back in his life. You would have loved to have been here
yesterday he got her. You would have loved to have been here, yes,
And listen, shit, well you know what I would like you to
go. Listen to the third segment of yesterday's podcast when you get a chance,
because I talked to a woman. Her name is Danielle, and I
found Danielle on TikTok and she is called openly committed. Oh this is yeah,
you've been trying to get a yes, so not even thropling she and
her husband and this is the thing like and I'll ask you, guys,
and I already I don't even need to I don't even need to ask.
I don't like to be asked. And I'm not I'm not, I know,
because there is no point. There is no point. But already wrote
your answer down. We already know its needs to hear it. Okay,
here, here is my so she and her husband are openly committed. Okay,
and I will say and I even said this, and you can see
some of it on on my social media's uh that she makes sense because what
she I'll give you an example. She said that their lives are so intertwined
that when they go on a date, she and her husband, there's always
talk of business and business being like the family. Eventually it comes to financial
goals or planning for the kids' education or whatever. She goes, when I
go out on a date, yeah about that stuff. Oh yeah, I
know the wills and stuff. But when I go on a date, she
said, I get to be She goes, it's like I'm on vacation.
She goes, I talk about trips and books I'm reading, and I get
to be the hot version myself, and I'm sort of not a mom in
those moments and all this. And she even said later on, she goes,
it's really hard to be that with your husband who has seen you give
birth. Now, I don't know how you would feel about that. I
have a feeling that you have a very like you'd be open to that discussion.
I don't need to. I'm not trying to ruin any relationship you have
or make it uncomfort. But I don't know why you po I go.
I even said, there's a woman who is normally on the podcast. I
think she'll be disappointed she's not here for this interview, and that would be
you because you. I think that there's like a curiosity my thing was And
this is where I think Danny, I can't wrap my head around this because
she even said, Look, my husband and I our lives are so intertwined.
We've been together for fourteen years. We've been through the death of a
parent together, We've had job changes together, We've had a transatlantic move together,
to which I said, isn't that the stuff like I think we mistakenly
look at sex as being intimate, but that's not. You can have sex
with anybody and it can mean something or not mean something. As a matter
of fact, everything is neutral until you give it meaning, but either way.
But this other stuff, to me is the more intimate stuff. You
were there to hold me when I was losing it over the loss of a
parent. You were there to help me as we were leaving a place I
loved, but we knew it was the best for our family, and you
know, all those things. To me, that's the foundation. I go,
don't you sort of ruin the foundation when all of a sudden it's like,
what are you doing Friday? Ah, It's gonna go out with this
hot new guy. I mean, I'm hoping that he bends me over the
sink. You know, I'm not that that happens, but I'm just saying,
oh, I'm sure it does. So I've never asked, by the
way, in the interview on purpose, I never asked about sex because I
just assumed that you're an adult. But you're probably having sex. You're probably
having sex, and you are, and whether you know, do you use
protection? I'm sure, Like it's none of my business. I'm more interested
in the phil for lack of a better term, the philosophical side of this.
How do you make this work? How do you separate what I just
said, what I believe is the true intimacy in a relationship versus just yeah,
yeah, I mean, Laura, I have thoughts. I can't wait
and I have you know, there's a few different aspects that I would wonder.
I want to know, is her marriage passionate at all because you can
have this intertwining of life and everything that you've gone through together. I was
with Ethan for thirteen years. We've moved housees, had kids, got yeah,
different jobs, went through a lot of shit, but like, we
had absolutely no passion. If you still have that passion, then like it
sounds like they It sounds like they do. But he was the one who
approached her about doing it. And then since then she got outed by a
family member who her mom said to this person, like, why can't you
and your husband be like my daughter and her? And they go, yeah,
well your daughter's marriage and blew it all up. So she wound up
telling her mom. She's then started doing this TikTok thing. She's been picked
up by Newsweek and her videos have gone viral. They're not if you saw
this woman, Danielle to me, she's like the all American. She looks
very all American, and I wouldn't expect anything like that, not that that's
one way or the other. But I thought, okay, but this is
how it works for them. And as she said, depending on the state,
the statistics for cheating run between thirty and sixty percent. The polyamorous I
don't know. Open openly committed runs three to five percent, so I guess
you're being a little more honest, but it would be weird to me.
And she said, I've even met women my husband has gone on dates with.
And I said, didn't you don't you get jealous? And she said,
not for the reasons you think And as a great interviewer, the follow
up question would be explained, right, And I didn't ask, yeah,
I didn't I feel like you feel. I would say for the reasons I
would think is like, hey, he's mine, and I think for her,
I don't know what the jealousy would be. And there's two types of
cheating in my opinion, there's the emotional cheating one. That's a big one.
I think emotional cheating and I think, yes, I think a lot
of people struggle with that, especially like when husbands have work wives and you
know, they get really connected with them or vice versa. But yeah,
I would really wonder, like how her actual passion was with her husband,
because I'm thinking, if she's saying she wants to go and talk books and
stuff with these guys on the dates, what about girlfriends? It was what
I thought too. That's my girls dinners that I'm I'm out with my girlfriends
all the time because that's who I travel with and talk like all the fun
things there. They're deep into it now, to the point where they were
talking to their ten year old son about their lifestyle. Oh yeah, what
they oh, And that only came out because a kid that went to school
has two dads and and that came out as a weird. So they started
talking and she said, look, people in the neighborround taking the school library.
That explains everything. Yeah, It's like, okay, so are they
dating the same person over and over? I don't know. She said she
fell in love a few times. That's what she said. Okay, that's
okay, that's a problem. I know, I love that's a problem.
I agree too. But here's the thing that the thing is like I can't
get all worked up about somebody else and then and I think that frustrates people,
Like there are certain things like you know, someone can send me an
articles and I go, I get it, but I have no control over
that. As long as their lifestyle isn't hurting me what they choose to do,
they're not abusing their kid, maybe their kids more open mind, I
have no idea. I can't figure that out. I can tell you this
that wouldn't be for me. Your kids are watching your example, not what
you say. No, I understand. But if the example is loving and
kind and support, it is. But there's all. But you only get
the pr version of everybody's story. Let me tell you something. I believe
this wholeheartedly. Everything is great. When everything is great, wait till somebody
loses a job. Wait till somebody loses a testicle or an ovary, or
has to go to the hospital, or you know, has a strict as
a sick parent that they have to take care of. Then when the chips
get down, the other person will feel bad for you for a while.
Then they'll start to feel bad for themselves, and history has shown us that
they will start drifting and start seeking other comforts, and then that other person
now becomes the rock and the relationship starts to suffer. Look, I don't
know. It sounds like I hear what you're saying, and that sounds like
you might have lived that I've heard this from. But I understand and I
get it. All makes sense. It's it's human nature. It sounds like
she and her husband talk a lot, and he did ask her at two
points in their marriage to go monogamous, and they did. She did,
And then so how long have they said? Eight years? So this is
long. Yeah, it sounds like they've been doing this for eight years.
So I had two points in my marriage that I told my husband are you
interested in pursuing anything else? One was rape before we got married, because
so I said to her last night, I go listen if a woman ever
came to me and said, hey, what do you think about like being
committed to each other? But we sort of see other pe I go,
I think my sphincter would get tight and I would feel like I'm not enough.
I would feel like I would feel inadequate. Yeah that's how I should
feel. Okay. So the first time was before we got married, even
hadn't been with many people, and I was like, do you want like
one last chance to go out like with a bank? Yeah? Okay,
and he he I it would be weird. It would be weird. It
would be weird, but you I think, see then I would in my
head it would be she wants to go on. I was more experienced than
he was, Like okay, So that and then why did you want him
to be more experienced if the person's the person was, it was very much
do you want this opportunity? Like I don't know, do you want to
go have like a drunken one night stand, like just so you can feel
like I don't know. When I met him, I was so like,
I am not ready to get married. Em I just be on my comprehension.
I know, I know, I feel for it because you were in
a I'll be honest, you were. You were in a passionless, loveless
marriage. But this was before they even got married. But I mean like
like the signs were the tails were all there, Like the tails were my
ex wife too. I I blew by them by those stop signs. They
just kept going. So I'll make it work. Oh, I'll make it
work. I'll make it work. I'll make it work. My wedding was
one of the most miserable days for everybody else there. And I could tell
by the looks in their faces, including bills, that an event to go
to bro no no, no. I could tell by everybody there were more
people at that wedding who were like, let's get so much fun. It
was an honest reaction because you guys were all and I mean everybody was right.
This was not supposed to work and it didn't. Ad No, I've
got to relive in that in my head. But yeah, I questioned.
I definitely questioned the wedding. What was the second thing? So, you
know, we had been in marriage therapy after five years in our marriage,
and I don't know point. I know, I was like, do you
want to have an open marriage? Like because he traveled so much? And
I was like, do you want it where like if you travel, you're
allowed to go we did not have physical chemistry like, and so what did
he say to that? He thought about it for a little bit, Like
I actually remember him coming back from the gym the next day and he was
like, yeah, it crossed my mind, like what if I could go
sleep with that woman? And I was like okay, Like but then it
didn't come to fruition, but had first you have to have game, dude.
But you think that that might have helped your marriage, I don't know,
like would have created this would have brought passion in what you know,
like and you would have been okay with sharing. I want to have wanted
him to like date other people like that. But like this is an ice
cream bill, but a random hook up once in a while. Yeah,
I don't know. I guess I'm I don't have that like chip in my
heart that like sex has to be with someone who you're in love with,
Like I think it could have just been like how about now, yeah,
the relationship you're in now, how about now? I love him very much?
This is this is where like the questions come now. Okay, well,
so you do have that chip in your heart. You just didn't have
that chip in your heart with that dude. Yeah that's sure. There you
go, Yeah, there you go. When you change the circumstances everything,
Yeah, it's the right person. Yeah, no, Now I would kill
Jes tonight a night would Yeah. Okay, yeah, there's your answer.
Here's an interesting story I heard. I'm glad you're here because I was going
to do this. Can we wrap up with Rory real quick? Though?
What do you want to say about Well, the thing is, it's like
she took him back. This woman took him back. So either she really
I don't think she wanted the divorce he filed. Okay, so she either
really really loves him and wants us to work out, or she loves being
missus Rory Backleroy, Well, one of the we're gonna find out that this
is This is why I I I was looking to see if there's percentages on
and I don't even know how you would figure it out. I mean you
could, but people who have tried this, right, I filed and I
think that this is gonna blow up. I'm gonna tell you why. Because
Rory McElroy has already put the idea out there that he wanted somebody else and
one of the top golfers, one of the top athletes, most recognizable athletes
in the world, just got the stiff arm and he's gonna have that until
he gets over this for a long time. And that's gonna be hard to
overcome, especially in a relationship. It's it's gonna be tough. It's gonna
be I hope they make it. I really do, because she's from here,
and I hope that they it works out for him. But man,
it's it's gonna be tough. That's all. So there's a uh so I
heard about this. This is an interesting story. Woman who went on a
dating app like mid thirties, meets a guy. Uh he's in the Syracuse
area. They went on a couple of dates and they would see each other
like twice a week because he's there, she's here, and it was kind
of you know, they were dating. And I think they went on I'm
going to say less than ten dates from what I understood in the story,
and she was thinking of like breaking it off, like just standing it just
you know, the distance, the stuff. It was okay, And dude
gets hit by a car and killed. Yeah, before she does that,
so, uh, his she goes to the obviously right all the stuff funeral,
Yeah, all that stuff, and had never I don't think it had
ever been formally introduced to his parents, but certainly you know no. And
I think they were talking and the mother sense sort of glombed on loss of
his on and says, he, you know, he told I heard about
you. He told me that he was in love. Blah blah blah.
And she hasn't had the heart. So now the family is trying to get
her to come to their lake house for the weekend. She doesn't know what
to say. Hey, this is too raw for me, I know,
but but it is hard. But the whole thing is so awkward. The
whole thing is just awkward. Yes, obviously you can. You can boundary
when you date. When you date, there's always somebody who likes the other
person more than the other person likes them. Every time, very rare until
you find the right match, okay, because usually, like you know,
most of them. I tell my I told people all the time I go,
most of the people you date are going to end up You're not gonna
end updating. The only person you end up with is the last one.
Yeah. Usually you know sometimes like the last, the last, that's right,
that's why. But this is an easy one. Hey, you know
what, Hey, missus so and so, your son was great. I
really need to move on, and he I appreciate the invitation. Hey,
let's exchange addresses and Christmas cards, maybe some cookies once in a while.
We could have coffee or even just nothing. I think you just I'm hard
stop. Yeah, I would be hard stop too. I just thought the
story was like, I go, wow, because you get that guilt feeling
and you try to be there and when someone's so emotional and so, it's
a devastating, unexpected, devastating devastation. She could say like, I'm glad
that, like your son thought so highly of me. I thought very highly
of him, but like, I need to mourn this in my own and
it would be too I'm never going to be able to move on at my
age if I continue. Yeah, I also think that as a woman,
you should have never met, like the family had never met. And yeah,
I've known people who have had early on in the marriage brain aneurysm.
Husband's gone right something and the mother of the son who died saying to the
woman, you gotta move on. Oh, yeah, you shouldn't be alone
with them, you know, you know, and I know there are kids
and things and they're like, was very supportive of all. So I think
that, you know, everybody's different night, but my thing was pretty much,
you gotta draw boundaries. You draw boundaries, and there's nothing wrong with
that. Don't feel guilty about that. Guilt is the thing that people love
to weaponize. Don't and you can't weaponize it against yourself. No, Well
that's the thing. It's like, somebody else's grief is not your behavior.
We gotta get rid of it with anything. Jerry West died today. Yes
he did. The logo Jerry West is the logo for the NBA. He
is eighty six years old. It was eighty six years old, not anymore.
I did not realize that he was with the Clippers. Now, yeah,
he was consulting with the Clippers, and I just started watch it on
FX clipped. Have you seen this? No, I haven't. Oh,
it's the whole story of how like the owner when they had to give up
the team this. Yeah, I thought you were going to talk about Jeff
Lakers series. That was one of my favorites. Jerry Jerry West didn't like
the way because he was taken as but as I mean, I wanted to
read you some stuff because uh, Adrian war Zanowski of ESPN wrote, he
never stopped. That's what Steve Bomber, who owns the Clippers now said.
And from Cabin Creek, West Virginia, to running with Will chamber Chamberlain Elgin
Baylor as a Laker, to orchestrating the La Lakers story of teenage phenomenon Kobe
Bryant, to coaching to a silhouette as the league's logo, no one else
ever touched greatness in so many sectors of the sport. West will go into
the Naismith Basketball Hall of Fame this summer for an unprecedented third time, which
I think it's impressive. And then I didn't realize like all this stuff that
he I mean. He went on to talk about how he would take his
time to talk to people, but what a rough childhood he had. He
lost a brother in Korea. His father was an abusive alcoholic, and he
said he was not a happy guy. He was loving and loyal and generous
with his time and resources to those in his orbit that and also those that
he didn't know. But geez I, it's just all the stuff. Memphis
Grizzlies, Golden State Warriors. He was really part of the whole getting Kevin
Durant to go to the Warriors thing. He was the one who put Shaq
and Kobe together. Yes, he orchestrated it. Was it a trade with
Memphis to get Kobe as the draft pick Charlotte yes, or Charlotte yeah.
Can you believe Kobe Bryant was taking thirteenth overall? But at the time he
was going out of high school, there weren't many high school like Sean Kemp
was like the poster child of high school players that could go to the NBA.
Right, you know, Kobe, by the way, it took Kobe
three or four years to become Kobe. He wasn't Kobe overnight. They had
to trade Nick van Exel to get him out of town so that Kobe could
finally take over that role as the point guard. West reached the finals nine
times, with the Lakers winning in seventy two. He was Can you imagine
that like NBA Finals MVP nineteen sixty nine on the losing team. Yeah,
it's strange. Doesn't happen. Happening with Chuck Holly in Super Bowl very very
rare, Like we don't have that at all. It happened with a goaltender,
I think for the Ducks in like two thousand and two or two thousand
and three. Okay, it does not happen very often. People argued that
Thurman Thomas should have gotten it in Super Bowl twenty five because he just obliterated
Otis Sanderson as far as rushing yards go. Had the Bills won, it
would have been Thurman. Yeah, but they gave it to Otis because why
would you give it to the you know, losing losing team. But it
doesn't happen very often, but it's happened. But yeah, that's that's too
bad. About Jerry West. I mean, like the guy literally taught NBA
executives how to run a franchise. Sure, yeah, and Bob Myers of
Golden State, like, what had Jerry West teach him how to run the
Warriors? Warriors and the Warriors? And when the Warriors first blew themselves up,
they were getting booed and the people were not on board. They wouldn't
build a dynasty. And then Jerry West moved on. I mean he should
still be he should have still been with the Lakers. But you know,
by the way, on the flip side, Hurley decides to turn down the
Lakers job and they're the laughing stock of the association. Yeah, I said
it right here. I said he wouldn't take that job, No should he?
You know who they should hire? Did Rick Patino? Forget how to
coach? Uh? Tell me something? Who is more John Who is more
LA basketball coach than Rick Patino? Right now, he'd be the closest thing
you could have. I think to forget the Celtics thing, because if the
Celtics win the lottery instead of San Antonio, he gets Kevin Garnett and he's
probably going into the Hall of Fame as the greatest basketball coach perhaps ever.
That's possible. It's possible. I was always a fan because Greg Popovich like
the guy. Gosh, I don't want to get start. It would have
been Patino. You already believe. I apologize crazy. Yeah, for like
two weeks worth of shows. You're five. By the way, I just
want to say, like I would like, I didn't like the way I
conveyed my thoughts and that they were really emotional and not real rational. I
just want to let that out. I like that. I like it because
you get oh, I come off sounded like an idiot. That's my favorite
party. I don't like because I'm not. It's just my my words got
off foster than my thoughts. I here's what I like. Because you said
it. What did you call the coach? No, you went you said,
Dan went Dad. I thought that's what you said. Maybe I've heard
that in my Dan went dad Dad. Yeah, Like you're like somebody's dad.
I can't take it anymore. For a guy with no kids, I
know, well what I mean, it's good's all right. By the way,
I heard a show that you and Kevin did together. We're like,
I have two guys in my life who have no kids, have no kids,
but yet are all bent out of shape now the kids are being treated
in America. Yes, and I know it's me and Doug Feltch talking about
it was the two of you that both brought to me the story of kids
in the boxes. And I went, but look, I can't. Doug
sees what he sees, and your wife works with kids, so okay,
so I can't. I'm not. I just thought it was funny. Here's
the thing that I wasn't ripping. I'm like, you're right. No,
I realized, Holy cow, yeah, I'm the guy I say this.
I don't have kids, but man, I have all been out of shape
about it. I realized another crazy thing about all of us. You,
Me, Kevin, great, Stephanie, Matt All boys. Yeah, yeah,
a single daughter in there, that's true. Wow, Why we're vulgar
swear? Oh my god, the penis talk jokes? Yeah, I uh.
My thing is that I just can't get myself worked up over things that
don't affect me, which is a thing like I know, people get very
worked up about what's fair and what's not fair, and what's privilege and not
privilege. And my thing in certain situations is I think you got to look
at things a little bit deeper, try to understand things for for that instance,
and you can't compare it to anything else. But people get mad about
that and then I go, but it doesn't affect me one way or the
other. You know what I'm saying. I have no power over this.
I had no way of deciding. So to me, it's burning calories on
the wrong thing. I understand that. I look at it as I want
to be informed. I understand the whyse, and then by understanding the whyse,
you understand the hows and the results of things, and maybe perhaps we
could change one thing or another with well, the I have to change what
I can. Only the only power you have to change anything would be then
to who you vote for? Well, you also vote you wals. That's
it. Yeah, and that my so my whole thing is like, I
mean, look, you can get all burnt out about stuff. Yeah,
it's ridicul There was a controversy this past week, and I'll bet you you
don't. You have no idea which direction I would go with this. But
Caitlyn Clark, the big phenom rookie, was left off the US Women's should
have been. I agree, should have been, I agree, but but
she's not there yet. Christian Laitner wasn't there yet what he got on the
Dream team in ninety two. But the thing is is that everybody's saying,
well, the people who don't watch women's basketball are piling on this and commenting
about it as if that they know what they're talking about. And I said,
I don't watch women's basketball, but I know this. Christian later didn't
belong in ninety two and Caitlin's only played nine games. What's back off here?
I think the idea of the Olympics is that it was amateurs that,
oh, you have to be an amateur at certain sports like boxing. Isn't
gonna yeah right, Tyson's not going to fight, no, But that's my
point now, right, So we have we have Jira in here, and
she's gonna, yeah, try to be on the Olympic boxing team, but
she needs to keep her amateur status to do that. They changed it with
basketball, but Kaitlin Clark amazing right, putting more eyes on the sport,
which is also putting a target on her back because other players are going,
we've got more experience, We've been here longer and why now? Yeah?
And is she one of the twelve best players in the country. I don't
know she is. She could be, she might be, she could be.
I'll tell you this, as a rookie, wouldn't you want some time?
You just played an entire colic season and now you're into the WS.
You've played more games than you probably have in your life. Maybe maybe not.
I don't know. With AAU stuff, I don't know what they do.
But but to that point, I go, so let her, so
let it go. But on the flip side, we're talking about voting with
your wallets. America is not going to tune into the US women's basketball team
watching this summer than the Olympics. They're not, They're not. That decision
is going to come back to bite them because Diana Tarassi's on the team.
Diana Rossi's one of the greatest, maybe not maybe the greatest women's basketball player
of all time, but she's not now and she doesn't deserve to be on
that team. So if they're gonna make that point, then you can make
an honest point. And I don't agree with it. That and if you
want to grow the sport, that would be the perfect place. You would
have gotten a lot more USA. You would have gotten a lot more chance
for USA. But I think their point was we're here, We're here to
win gold. By the way, they were going to win gold no matter
what. They won't go seven times in a row. So in terms of
the Olympics, no offense. I don't think basketball is like high rank on
olymp like Summer Olympics. It is actually put the pros on there, which
by the way, most men the goal. And we've got pros over from
Europe that are playing, and then you know Eastern European players. So people
actually like tune in to see if Team USA is gonna lose. Yeah,
because you've got because we're supposed to win. You've got so many players internationally
now that go back to their country. Right. So Jim Rome openly like
rooted against the Dream Team because this is where who's gonna beat them? Nobody
was going to be nobody. The Croatia had a lead for like minutes,
wasn't it. What What was the If you watch Michael Jordan we gotta wrap
this up. But if you watch Michael Jordan's uh documentary Last Dan The Last
Dance, well it was the whole thing was no. But who was the
international? Was it? Paul No, Paul Tony Kuko. Tony Tony Kukoch
was drafted by the Bulls. He didn't want to come to American play with
the Bulls, and but they went over there and they made a big deal
about getting him, and Jordan goes, I got him, and they're like,
no, no, we're gonna put the go I got him, I
got it, I got him, and he shut him down to just embarrass
him and basically to the unsent a non verbal message to the front office of
Chicago. We don't need him, right, we don't need Scottie pippenwant to
take a shot at him to George, like, none of them, I
got I got this, I got this. And then Kobe went right through
Powell in him, knocked him right down. Their teammates and the Lakers.
But one's playing for Spain and one's for us now. So that's what makes
the men's a little more exciting because you've got that level of competition. Yeah,
but other outside of that, you're right, baseball, we should probably
pay a little more attention to we don't, you know, box sports,
Yeah, like track and fuel. Yeah, track soccer, so much fun
to watch, sharing the Olympics swimming like By the way, it was thirty
years ago today that oj S has made the worst decision he could ever make.
It was June twelfth, nineteen ninety four. I did see somebody say
I am a friend of Nicole Simpson's youngest sister Tanya, and if you can
take a moment, just think of them, or help a domestic abuse like
Willow or something like that would be nice. All right, Laura, you
ready for this party? I am two weeks to prepare, two weeks to
prepare. It's right, it'll be a week. Bring it gets Kevin Asshirt's
his asset protection, the comedy, the comedy caravan at Remedy at finger Legs
Gaming and Racetrack. That'll be next Thursday, and then the Thursday after we
will have the big party. For Laura, who I think is intrigued by
the Open Open anymore. I think I talked her out of it, and
for Dan who is not happy with his rant. But I am I'm Bill
Murran. We'll see you tomorrow.