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If a person breaks one hundred,
there would be a golfer for life,

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essentially, and that's research based done
by the proponent group. It's like a

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hockey stick effect where people breaking one
hundred they play more golf. It's not

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necessarily how they any hit the ball, bat evasion and get up and down

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around the greens little more. They
need to keep the ball in play,

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make less bad decisions. That's the
name of the game. And the way

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they go from eighty to seventy,
they're already probably hitting eight nine greens regulation.

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The PGA two averages eleven and a
half on green relations, or if

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you include the fridge, it's twelve
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of just promote those stats and give
them a clear indication that it's not necessarily

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just a golf swing, it's a
part of the process. But I would

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say it's manage their time more effectively. Hi, this is Ken Greenberg from

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Dallas, Texas, and I played
golf frequently at the courses at waters Creek.

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This is called smarter number nine hundred
one. Breaking one hundred is more

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than just working on the range with
so Cal PGA Teacher of the Year Blake

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Jerks This is Golf Smarter, sharing
stories, tips and insights from great golf

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mines to help you lower your score
and raise your golf IQ. Here's your

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host, Fred Green. Welcome to
the Golf Smarter podcast. Blake, Hello,

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Fred, How you doing, Bud? I'm doing good. Thanks thanks

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for having me on. I appreciate
it. Oh. Absolutely, you know

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people are gonna think, oh,
I can hear Blake. He's outside,

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he's, you know, a golf
instructor. He's about to give a letting.

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You know, he's at Starbucks.
So we're just kidding. He's got

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two little kids. You got two
little kids at home. You cannot be

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doing your interviews at home. Absolutely
not. No, it's it's a little

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shoe box. It's like a fourteen
square foot free bedroom house. It's my

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girls take up one room and then
my wife and I. Pretty much that's

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about it. And they're probably playing
toys and playing dress up, playing tea

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party whatever. Maybe so defitable last
right now, so I can back say

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put myself for at Starbucks. Okay, well good, well, thank you

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for doing that. I really appreciate
it. Uh, congratulations are in order.

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You've been named the twenty twenty two
Southern California PGA Teacher of the Year.

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Thank you. I appreciate it yet
an absolute honor. It's a it's

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a team effort in my in my
opinion, honestly, just with the people

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in my corner, the people that
supported me and helped me along my journey.

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And um, I appreciate just the
recognition for the opportunity just to be

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award of this and just be recognized
as that teacher of the year. How

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does the process work? Do they
submit your name or did all of a

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sudden you've got a phone call saying
congratulations. What's the process? I'm curious.

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So yeah, Sill in California,
they's a it's a recognize So PGAs

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ore PGA professionals are putting it names
in the hat for who they believe is

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maybe the best teacher teacher of the
year. Me player Development Golf pfessional the

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year, whe I d beb.
I was nominated for the Teacher of the

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Year for the first on California section. I won our chapter Teacher of the

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Year as well the previous year.
So once they had about I think fifteen

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or twenty people in the in the
hat, they knocked it down down to

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three I believe or five. And
then they interviewed us about half hour to

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quarter five minutes, asking us questions
of maybe our teaching and what our philosophy

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as and what we why we believe
it, maybe the why we should be

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the teacher of the year, And
um, I guess my answers were I

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guess good enough to nominate my startup, be nominated and be awarded the opportunity.

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So I was really cool, really
cool opportunity. Well, I'm sure

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that that interview was far more intimidating
than this one will be not one,

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not one, but oh well,
I'm curious when they like ask you tell

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us why you should be teacher of
the year, how do you let humility

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you know, take over there but
still brag about yourself that yeah, I'm

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a great teacher. Yeah. I
mean the big thing for me, like

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when I think about a teacher of
the year in the section or even national

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Teacher of the Year, it's it's
not just like who you teach or how

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you teach. It's I think it's
just so much more components to that.

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It's like, are you are you
helping out other teachers actually teach? Are

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you maybe helping the teachers below you
get more business, Are you getting the

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results from your students? Are you
giving back to the game when it comes

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to maybe part of the foundation or
donations, or just giving your time and

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effort into into the into the section
in the PGA. And I believe that

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teaching everyone. There's so many good
instructors out there in the country, There's

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so much good knowledge out there,
and if we base off of that,

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I think everybody deserves that. But
I think there's so many more layers to

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the teacher of the year. And
I think for me, like when I

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when I look back in my journey
over the past two years or three years,

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because that's where I feel like my
my journey has gone, I think

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propelled over the last few years,
and just with my my mindset and how

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I think about things and how I
think about coaching. It's like I've been

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the golf instructor where I talked about
golf swing. I've been the golf instructor

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that has gone through working on the
technique and I figured out and just kind

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of just and buy my mentor is
not just from for myself, but just

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my mentors that have helped me along
the journey that it's the relationships, it's

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the it's the being able to coach
a player from A to Z. It's

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not just that one off lesson.
It's the long term journey. It's getting

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the results that they want to they
want to achieve, and if you're able

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to kind of track that, maybe
able to kind of see that with UM

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all of my students that I've been
coaching over the last few years at the

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facility of ANAT It's been a really
cool process and just the idea of being

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able to be more of a more
of a coach and more of a I

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know the golf swing. I feel
like I'm a family doctor, but I

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specialize in UM. In a coaching
world, you know, I could.

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I want to make my players better
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the technique is a small piece of
the pie, but there's so many more

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components. And I know that Fred, you're this this podcast is what you

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preach. It's not just the technical
parts. It's the mental and emotional aspect

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of golf. There's so much golf
such an emotional game, and I think

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again, like teachers and instructors know
the golf swing, they know how the

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golf ball moves from right to left
and left to right. But it's the

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bigger, bigger components that are the
reasons why I think people want to get

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better and the people love hanging out
their PJ professional It's interesting you say,

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um, how peachers and teachers know
how to at the ball so ball goes

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right to left or the ball goes
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lots of times I feel, and
I've talked to a lot of teachers,

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that teachers become golf instructors because they
were good golfers as kids, and that

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they just love to be around the
golf course, not knowing what it really

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means to be a golf instructor,
of what kind of dedication it takes,

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and how little you get to play
golf once you become an instructor. Yeah,

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right, Yeah, it's actually funny
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like, honestly, the last year
and this has got on a stoot,

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I probably played fifty rounds last year, maybe seventy rounds last year with my

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students. I may I played golf
with my students. I got to play

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with them on a whether we're traveling
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on the golf course teaching with them, and I do most of my stuff

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in group settings already, and so
I actually played golf with my students.

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And so like the model of you
getting this business to not play golf,

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it's such a I think that's such
an almost like a bad termed a way

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back in the day of like you
worked sixty hours, eighty hours a week,

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and you grind that, you taught
every lesson you could. You're sitting

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on the driving range getting burnt out, and I just like flipped it on

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his head. And again, my
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I took him on the golf course. I played golf with my students.

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I um, I was able to
kind of see how they play and helped

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them out on that end more than
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So I played more golf now than
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far. But are you playing golf
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with your students? Yeah, so
yeah, I'll play. Yeah, I'll

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play nine holes of my students,
honestly, like i'll play in some money

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games, eighteen holes. I'll play
my actually played my first section event last

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year for a three day tournament,
and I've I felt almost guilty to ever

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play in a tournament back in the
day because I feel like I had to

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work, I had to give golf
lessons to make money because if I didn't,

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then I wouldn't make money. Now
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I have I changed my mindset and
how I believe, and I'm like,

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know what, I'm gonna go play
these terms. I'm gonna go test it

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out there and and have more fun. Honestly, Like, that's why we

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got on the business, is to
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and be able to coach our students. That's fascinating that you get to play

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that much golf. But I was
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to hit the ball right to left, hit the ball left right, but

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not all of them know how to
communicate that. There's a probably a huge

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gap there of knowing how to do
it and then being able to teach it.

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So, as someone who's been named
a teacher of the Year, how

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have you been able to make that
transition from being a probably a pretty good

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golfer to being a really good tea
teacher? Yeah, I mean I had

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to. I had to know the
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it, like how the club moves, how the body moves, and UM,

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I've seeked all those, all the
swing instructor help, I've I've gone

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through a ton of education, um
in my earlier years where I wanted to

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know as much information as possible within
the instructor realm of how the golf swing

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moves and how the golf ball moves. And for me, like I wasn't

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necessarily the best player, like I
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and I thought I was getting better
and I really wasn't getting better at all,

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and it was um. But I
knew at an early age, at

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sixteen seventeen years old, I wanted
to be a golf instructor and I knew

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I wanted to be helping people play
better golf. So I kind of had

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with that, with that vision and
that goal, that goal in mind,

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I knew I wanted to kind of
follow that pathway and UM, I knew

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I wanted. I knew I had
to know the golf swing and I had

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to know why the ball does what
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communicate that was just kind of again, people that have helped me out just

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has shadowed me a rive shadowed them
on how much communication is necessary to provide

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a student I'm all about less is
more. I'm actually more on the side

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of mental and emotional game than I
am on the technical game. So I

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feel like I can get better people, better results just by communicating with them,

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with being able to build that relationship
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golf games. Awesome, Hey listen, Well we'll find out because we have

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some more time to flesh it out, and we'll do that after this break.

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You said a moment ago that you
knew that you wanted to be an

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instructor when you were a teenager.
You were not saying I'm going to be

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on the PGA tour. You were
saying I want to be a teacher.

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Where did that come from? Where? How did that practical knowledge sink into

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you as a teenager. Yeah,
it's it's it's it's pretty interesting. I

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mean, for me, my parents
don't play golf, none of my of

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my family members play golf. I
just I love the game and I played

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other sports as a kid, and
I fell in love with golf at thirteen

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fourty years old, and UM,
and I wanted to be an almost an

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elementary school teacher back in the day
where I wanted to teach like third grade,

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fourth grade, UM, just as
a teacher when I was a third

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and fourth grader really, and so
I kind of I knew at UM.

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As sixteen came along, seventeen came
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what, I love teaching kids.
I love teaching people, like just like

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helping people out. And I was
just kind of gravitated towards added um.

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I put put two and two together
of teaching kids and juniors too, like

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as a farm it. I was
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me how to play golf in the
game I love. So it was kind

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of it. It was I think
I caught it on earlier than I think

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others, and I knew I wasn't
good enough to play at at a high

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level. I played one of your
pend college golf and I wasn't posting to

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the scores. That wasn't necessary.
My mental emotional game was probably the weakest

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part. And nobody actually taught me
what that even looked like exactly. So

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I kind of had to figure on
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that age, it was definitely not
going to happen. I knew I wasn't

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gonna make the two where I knew
I wasn't gonna I didn't have the driver

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the want to do it. So
I kind of just fell in love with

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golf and fell love with teaching,
and I kind of made my career based

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on that and made the moves that
I did to go from it's just a

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professional to a full time instructor to
now a director of instruction. So they

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kind of was a m The pathway
was was seamless for me and I the

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moves that I made was always just
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to. Did you play competitively growing
up? I played junior tournaments. I

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played in our local section events for
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a little bit of a j GA, but again was not nearly good enough

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to ever play at a collegiate level
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D three or maybe I didn't know
about it, honestly, like nobody kind

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of really helped me out. My
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were just goldful parents that didn't have
any sort of people that were helping them

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out, and I kind of figured
out I had to figure out my golferents

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on my own in it, and
they just financially supported me and took me

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to the golf course when I needed
to, and they were super impactful on

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that front. But yeah, like
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college just because I knew the coach
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fifth best player in the team for
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you know what, I'm not I'm
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America and Carl's Bad actually for some
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get in the golf business right away. It was kind of like just the

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passion I knew I had, and
it wasn't gonna playing competitively wasn't going to

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be the thing that was gonna hold
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that you were playing against that were
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this guy is so much better than
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and we keep getting up to the
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no way I can compete. And
I'm not that you said, I'm not

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that hungry for it. You weren't
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we had so many good juniors in
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we played against a program and my
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his name's Chris, and Chris is
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hang out with Patrick Hanley all the
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and seeing him play golf and playing
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I'm like, yeah, there's no
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had a guy named Shea Kim who
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and he was I used to practice
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Stanford. You had Alex Kim went
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so many good juniors that were we
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yeah, you guys are so much
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a day, grinding it out,
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It's fun to just to compete and
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all I got better, honest who
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out and play golf literally every day, and we went on the golf course

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all the time. And that was
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my biggest past member with him just
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way better as in his junior and
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to see. And um. But
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just so good back in the day. That's fast. You were so good,

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so good, and like I'm not
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and I see Patrick exactly, and
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the world, right, and like, I mean, we it's just crazies

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see the development that these players have. And in Southern California has some of

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the best players in the world.
Right, you have Colin Morricaw, we

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have Max Homa. I mean,
there are some top ten players in Southern

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California. I played on the GA
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on the woman's side, you have
Rosang, who's the number one player in

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the world right now in the amateur
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just it's just crazy how many players
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enough, I completely get where you're
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was growing up, I was playing
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a drummer and the kids and I
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Fernando Valley, and I was playing
drums with all these different guys, all

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these different bands, and it's at
one point I'm like, Okay, these

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guys are really good and I'm not
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just yeah, I'm not gonna do
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to playing records and became a district
hockey. But but those guys that I

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played with all became professional musicians,
touring musicians, you know, with with

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some big name bands touring the world. I'm like, okay, I was

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at least I caught that early on. It wasn't necessarily me. It was

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just these guys are so good.
Oh my gosh. Um. I want

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to talk a little more about you. You're playing lessons and why you think

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that adds value, and we're going
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a break in a few minutes,
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from you about what you can learn
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When you're out on a playing lesson
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like from a teaching standpoint or from
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as a teacher of me coaching that
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you're going out on the golf course
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teacher, going out there to coach
them. Yeah, so I'm coaching them

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for sure, And I'm I'm out
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right, I'm watching them, observing
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it's not like on the drive range
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it's your You have all these groups
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range. It's so easy to kind
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range. But on the golf course, it's that's reality. And I put

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my players in group settings because that's
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compete and you play. And so
being able to provide that environment and I

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kind of give them some games or
some some thought process or this ideas like

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kind of kind of give them the
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say, but like we'll tee off
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them and see how low they can
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to disagree on purpose because I'm trying
to asess their short game. I'm having

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them tee off with the with an
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the ball and play off the tea
box and so being able to kind of

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put them in that life situation and
that that environment and seeing how they actually

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deal with it. Um, there's
so many, so many moments out there

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where you where you get them out
there and you see him hit a great

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shot and it's like, man,
that was a great golf shot. How

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did that feel? And it's like, yeah, it felt great, felt

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smooth, Like how is your routine? How is your thought process? How

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is how are you thinking during the
golf shot? Like all those things you

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kind of want to kind of emphasize
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then when you hit bad shots,
because they all hit bad shots, it's

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just it's not like it we don't. I don't coach them on every shot

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they hit. I just find a
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and maybe it's a few holes later. Honestly, like I sometimes I won't

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even speak to them for two or
three holes because I don't need to speak

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to them for free holes. It's
so often like an instructor or teacher can

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kind of talk a lotted and be
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complete opposite. I give them a
framework and then I kind of let them

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go on the on the journey and
I just watch them play with them and

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see how they do, and at
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lesson learned and we'll have an idea
of what we need to this and how

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we're going to get better and what
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a coach to keep them accountable for
their for their golf games, because at

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the end of the day, they're
looking for the results and they're looking for

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to get better at golf. Um
some say they want it to more consistency,

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some say they want to hit their
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them, you keep you ask them
why why why they want to shoot Laure's

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course, they want to get better
the game, they want to play better,

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and as a coach, you want
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that journey to get there. Yeah, all right, that's only part one

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of your answer. We're going to
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get more of that, like we'll
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right. I definitely only want to
talk more about the idea of of your

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playing lessons. I love this idea
of playing lessons. And you even mentioned

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you like, I won't even and
I won't even talk to them for three

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or four holes. And it's like, make sure that you remember that as

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a parent, because silence is painful. The hardest thing you can do and

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someone's waiting for you to talk is
to not talk right. And and I

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can imagine that the student, when
you're not saying anything, must be just

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beating themselves up like crazy, like
oh my god, what's he thinking?

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What's he doing? What are you
doing? So U use that silence.

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It's a very powerful tool in your
in your toolbox. But let's talk about

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thought process. Let's talk about off
the first tea. When you're with somebody

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and they you know they're going out
to play with you, there's a little

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bit of nerves there. And as
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is the real thing. So tell
me how how you start that round of

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playing of a playing lesson with them? Um, what are you looking for?

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And you know, do you have
to let's just start there, We'll

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ask that question. What are you
looking for? Yeah, so I'm looking

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at how they I mean just from
a from a from just so washing them

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standpoint of just seeing like even how
they enter the golf ball, like how

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are they walking? How are they
do they actually warm up and hit the

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golf like DoD they actually warm a
hit golf shots. They get there early

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enough even prior to them hitting that
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then once it get to the first
tea I'm thinking, Okay, what kind

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of decision making they're doing, m
maybe what kind of club choice, maybe

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the direction that they're they're going for. And then see how the routine is

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honestly like the things that we I
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So a lot of it's like how
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it would be a presche routine.
Um, how engaged are we with a

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golf shot? And then what we're
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like that first and then and when
I do a lot of on course game

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assessments. Actually, so my very
first session that I take people out,

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because on the golf course, I
literally take them out for nine holes.

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I'll watch them play golf. I
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them, I get to know them, build a relationship, but I don't

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really talk about their golf game or
what they're doing right or wrong. When

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it comes into that assessment period,
I'm actually just watching again the routines,

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like club decision. I'm looking at
how they deal with good shots or bad

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shots, how their their skill sets
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in um side, holies, fairways, rough, Korean side, whatever,

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putting like, I'll check all that
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and that that where I kind of
I set the stage up in the very

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beginning, especially in a game assessment, where I'll say, hey, I'm

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just watching them observing. I'm just
wanting to get to know you a little

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bit more. IM want to see
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the golf course. I'm gonna keep
tracking my stats and then afterwards going to

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hang out and have a conversation and
so prepasent that way kind of gives them

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a little bit at ease that it's
not really much of a they're not gonna

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getting a golf lesson, They're getting
an assessment so that I can build them

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a game plan. And then after
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That's where we have groups of three
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the golf course and uh, like
every other week we'll do like an encore

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session and an off course session and
on the encorese sessions, like my guys

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and are kind of already prepared to
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they're able to kind of practice that
environment like where they're in a group,

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they're kind of they do struggle a
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from their lessons that when they do
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use that for the next time they
go out, like, Okay, I've

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been here before, I've done this, Let's not do that again. Let's

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try to have a better process into
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shot. H Well, you also
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right to the to the course and
take them out. But then you have

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mentioned about having a lesson of the
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the day idea before you go out, or do you need to know about

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this person's game a bit more before
you decide? Okay, this is what

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we're going to focus on today.
Yeah, So, like I'll from an

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assessment protocol, I'll they'll find out
more about me and a lot of that.

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My students come from PJ dot coach, which is a free probile for

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PJA professionals, So I'll find out
information from there, and then I'll have

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a conversation with them, whether it's
through text, messure calling. I'll have

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them fill out a Google form where
I get to another golf game prior to

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actually be having conversation with them,
so I get to know kind of what

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their skill sets are already. I'll
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to fifteen minutes, set the stage
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go play an holes with me and
UM and that assessment, I'm just watching,

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observing. I'm keeping track of the
stats that I want to see and

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then being able to afterwards kind of
talk them through it and what I observed

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and then kind of build my game
plan from there. And majority of the

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time they're they're already bought into the
process. Just because they they and by

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the way, in the assessment protocol, like I'll usually have two or three

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others with us, and it just
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And I haven't had one person say
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I know I want to our private
when I want to work in my

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golf swing. People that come to
me are already kind of knowing that I

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take people on the golf course right
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of like and once we kind of
manage that way. I called my provos

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called the Biggest Loser and U it's
basically a whether you can lose strokes off

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their game rather than losing weight off
their bodies. Um, there was there

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was laugh about that one, but
I I the results that they want to

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see, we kind of guarantee them
getting twenty percent better in a six month

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period. And and then we and
when we're on the golf course, will

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like I said, we'll preface the
session based on kind of what we you

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asked me earlier, is like what
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there a preset plan? And honestly, there's no preset planned because kind of

410
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each week may be different. There's
some of the guys may struggle they're potting,

411
00:28:25.920 --> 00:28:27.279
or maybe they struggle with they're off
the tea game, and so we'll

412
00:28:27.319 --> 00:28:33.440
kind of manage the on course sessions
based on kind of what's been going on

413
00:28:33.519 --> 00:28:37.960
for that week, honestly, and
kind of tailor the practice based on what

414
00:28:38.039 --> 00:28:41.359
their needs are and what I think
their needs are, not what they think

415
00:28:41.359 --> 00:28:47.079
their needs are, which that's an
important thing, Yeah, very important thing.

416
00:28:47.759 --> 00:28:51.279
So it recently did an interview with
a guy who's in the San Diego

417
00:28:51.319 --> 00:28:57.640
area right now who started a YouTube
channel called from Scratch to Scratch. And

418
00:28:57.720 --> 00:29:04.119
this is a guy who knew basically
knew nothing about golf, absolutely nothing,

419
00:29:04.920 --> 00:29:12.559
that wanted to do a video every
day and become a scratch golfer. And

420
00:29:14.079 --> 00:29:17.640
you know, we all can roll
our eyes a bit about that concept.

421
00:29:18.279 --> 00:29:22.960
But it was a fascinating conversation and
his determination is unbelievable. But there's so

422
00:29:23.000 --> 00:29:27.880
many things he just doesn't understand about
golf and that it's like, oh,

423
00:29:27.920 --> 00:29:30.880
you got a long way to go. And I'm like asking him, how

424
00:29:30.920 --> 00:29:33.160
long do you think it's going to
take for you to become scratch? He

425
00:29:33.200 --> 00:29:37.839
goes, I think we in the
five year range. I can be pretty

426
00:29:37.839 --> 00:29:41.880
good. I'm like, oh,
okay, do you understand that what handicap

427
00:29:42.000 --> 00:29:47.759
is for? No? Okay,
So if somebody came to you, if

428
00:29:47.839 --> 00:29:49.519
a student came to you and said, look, I've never played golf.

429
00:29:49.559 --> 00:29:52.839
I have not even played golf video
games as a kid, but I want

430
00:29:52.839 --> 00:29:57.720
to be a scratch golfer soon,
how do you approach something like that?

431
00:30:00.640 --> 00:30:04.160
The bold, bold, bold statements, And I don't I love I love

432
00:30:04.160 --> 00:30:08.079
audacious goals. I asked every one
of my clients what's the most audacious goal

433
00:30:08.160 --> 00:30:11.519
that they have? Oh, yeah, one hundred percent and and some I

434
00:30:11.559 --> 00:30:15.240
mean being realistic, right, And
like when we set goals, we've got

435
00:30:15.279 --> 00:30:17.640
it. I always like, whether
it's my junior, my elite juniors,

436
00:30:17.640 --> 00:30:21.839
out of coach and then we do
a lot of smart goals setting UM specific,

437
00:30:21.880 --> 00:30:27.039
measurable, attainable, realistic and timely
goals, and um so we we

438
00:30:27.079 --> 00:30:30.839
always wanted those audacious goals like hey, I want to shoot even part by

439
00:30:30.880 --> 00:30:33.960
the end of the year and the
lowest scores seventy eight. You know,

440
00:30:33.039 --> 00:30:36.799
it's like I love that. I
love that they want to do that.

441
00:30:37.079 --> 00:30:40.400
Well, here's once it's gonna take
you and I need this much practice and

442
00:30:40.400 --> 00:30:44.440
this much effort, UM, this
much coaching needs to be going on as

443
00:30:44.440 --> 00:30:47.640
well. I may be watching you
play and watching you, um, they

444
00:30:47.720 --> 00:30:51.160
watch how you practice as well and
teach you how to practice. UM.

445
00:30:51.240 --> 00:30:56.000
But if somebody's like those those bold
statements have going from from A depends on

446
00:30:56.039 --> 00:31:00.920
how much time and honestly how much
time resources and um they want to put

447
00:31:00.920 --> 00:31:04.559
it into the game. Honestly,
that's the that's the way I would look

448
00:31:04.599 --> 00:31:08.720
at it from A From that standpoint, it's as it possible. Absolutely,

449
00:31:08.839 --> 00:31:12.559
I think it's one hundred percent possible. It just takes again a ton of

450
00:31:12.559 --> 00:31:17.799
time, a ton of help.
UM. I've I've learned a lot with

451
00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:23.799
U with doctor Rick Jensen, UM
and how people develop skills and um,

452
00:31:23.960 --> 00:31:30.039
how long it really takes to really
play under pressure and to go through the

453
00:31:30.079 --> 00:31:34.640
pathway to to getting better. And
it takes a definitely does take a journey,

454
00:31:34.960 --> 00:31:37.680
and it takes a lot of people
to to help out that. So,

455
00:31:38.839 --> 00:31:42.440
like I, like I always say, it just depends depends on what

456
00:31:42.440 --> 00:31:47.000
what. If that's the goal,
then they have all the money and the

457
00:31:47.039 --> 00:31:49.480
resources possible, and they have all
the time in the world. Absolutely it's

458
00:31:49.519 --> 00:31:53.519
possible. Why not? And this
guy did I mention? This guy has

459
00:31:53.559 --> 00:32:00.519
a full time job. Yeah you'
look yeah, but I'd love I love

460
00:32:00.960 --> 00:32:04.119
I love the effort though, and
and maybe it's like the the idea of

461
00:32:04.160 --> 00:32:06.839
being a scratch golfer in the head, whether it's in five years, ten

462
00:32:06.880 --> 00:32:12.839
years, twenty years. Um,
it's that people. People's goals are always

463
00:32:12.839 --> 00:32:16.240
different, right, and people when
people want to achieve something, it's got

464
00:32:16.359 --> 00:32:20.720
to um, it's gotta match.
It's got to match kind of their time

465
00:32:20.720 --> 00:32:27.279
and their efforts, you know.
And sometimes like I've got players that want

466
00:32:27.279 --> 00:32:30.200
to get better, yet I see
them once a week or once every other

467
00:32:30.200 --> 00:32:34.839
week, and they're just not practicing
in between. That's the unfortunate part sometimes

468
00:32:34.839 --> 00:32:37.759
And because jobs get the way,
and um, life happens and we go

469
00:32:37.759 --> 00:32:45.119
on vacations, we have kids,
and um it's uh sometimes gets challenging for

470
00:32:45.200 --> 00:32:49.920
sure. UM. So it's about
like again, just goal setting, being

471
00:32:49.960 --> 00:32:53.000
able to manage a good schedule that
is effective, and being able to have

472
00:32:53.039 --> 00:32:58.079
a coach that's going to kind of
support that that vision that you have and

473
00:32:58.160 --> 00:33:00.440
keep you accountable. If that's what
it's looking like. Because when you think

474
00:33:00.440 --> 00:33:07.960
about like achievement goal and say,
for instance, UM, my daughter wants

475
00:33:07.960 --> 00:33:13.240
to get my daughter gets married and
hopefully thirty years from now, whatever it

476
00:33:13.240 --> 00:33:16.920
may be. Well, and I
I need to lose fifteen pounds in a

477
00:33:16.960 --> 00:33:22.200
six week period. Well, I
can't be telling my trainer I want to

478
00:33:22.200 --> 00:33:24.440
get I want to eat cheeseburgers every
day, and that I only want to

479
00:33:24.440 --> 00:33:28.480
work out once a week, and
and I really don't want to run.

480
00:33:28.519 --> 00:33:32.400
Actually I just want to m I. Yeah, I just want to lose

481
00:33:32.440 --> 00:33:37.039
fifteen pounds. So they're like,
shoot me straight, and we all know

482
00:33:37.119 --> 00:33:40.119
that's not never gonna work. And
the trainers are ways going to say,

483
00:33:40.160 --> 00:33:43.200
hey, you gotta be in the
gym three years a week. You've got

484
00:33:43.319 --> 00:33:45.680
to eat this way, You've got
to and if you want to look good

485
00:33:45.680 --> 00:33:46.720
in that suit at the end of
the day, at the six week period,

486
00:33:47.200 --> 00:33:52.319
you're gonna look real damn good at
the end of it. And being

487
00:33:52.359 --> 00:33:55.039
able to have like that vision,
And that's how golf instructors are. Golf

488
00:33:55.240 --> 00:34:00.799
coaches really need to kind of visualize
their their students, you know, not

489
00:34:00.960 --> 00:34:05.200
just to take money and just give
a swing lesson, but kind of get

490
00:34:05.200 --> 00:34:07.119
this student to where they want to
go to and keep them accountable for where

491
00:34:07.159 --> 00:34:10.159
they were, for how they want
to get there, and you're the job

492
00:34:10.280 --> 00:34:15.840
is to lead them there. Wow. All right, Oh boy, you're

493
00:34:15.960 --> 00:34:17.079
kind of teacher I would love to
work with. All Right, listen,

494
00:34:17.079 --> 00:34:20.880
we're gonna take another time out.
We'll be back. Find out what's going

495
00:34:20.880 --> 00:34:23.360
on in Golf Smarter Mulligans this week. Well, this week on Golf Smarter

496
00:34:23.480 --> 00:34:28.920
Mulligans, we'll feature one of the
early episodes with a Golf Smarter regular,

497
00:34:29.199 --> 00:34:32.119
the wedge guy, Terry Kaylor.
In an episode from twenty eleven, we

498
00:34:32.239 --> 00:34:37.320
call give me ten feet closer over
ten yards farther any day, And ain't

499
00:34:37.400 --> 00:34:42.880
that the truth? The industry R
and D guys they'll design a six iron

500
00:34:43.119 --> 00:34:45.599
and they'll tist it and they'll tweak
it. They'll tist it and they'll tweak

501
00:34:45.639 --> 00:34:47.639
it. When they have that sixth
iron really doing what they're after. The

502
00:34:47.719 --> 00:34:52.239
conventional wisdom is the match that of
irons all has to look just to like

503
00:34:52.840 --> 00:34:55.280
well. The difference between a six
iron at twenty seven or twenty eight,

504
00:34:55.280 --> 00:34:59.639
twenty nine degrees and a pitching wedge
or what I call a peat club in

505
00:34:59.679 --> 00:35:01.920
today set, which is a forty
four to forty five six degree golf club.

506
00:35:02.440 --> 00:35:07.679
This is seventeen sixteen fifteen degrees difference. That's the difference between a six

507
00:35:07.760 --> 00:35:10.559
iron and a driver. Nobody would
ask for their three aren't even to look

508
00:35:10.599 --> 00:35:14.920
like they're six iron. Why would
your pitching wedge and nine aren't look like

509
00:35:14.960 --> 00:35:20.000
a sixth airn They're totally different golf
clubs. They're used a totally different way,

510
00:35:20.039 --> 00:35:22.559
and so we broke out of this
idea of said, you know,

511
00:35:22.639 --> 00:35:27.400
realistically, rather than my pitching wedge
and nine aren't match my sixth, an't

512
00:35:27.719 --> 00:35:30.960
they really ought to match my wedges? These are scoring clubs too. That's

513
00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:36.239
golf Smarter Mulligan's episode two hundred and
seventeen featuring the wedge Guy when his company

514
00:35:36.280 --> 00:35:40.159
was called Idolon, which we now
know as Edison Wedges. Please subscribe for

515
00:35:40.280 --> 00:35:45.360
free to both of our golf podcast, Golf Smarter, published every Tuesday,

516
00:35:45.679 --> 00:35:50.920
and our sister podcast that revisits the
best of the evergreen content from the Golf

517
00:35:50.960 --> 00:35:55.800
Smarter podcast, called Golf Smarter Mulligans, being released every Friday from wherever you're

518
00:35:55.800 --> 00:36:04.440
listening right now. So if somebody
has an audacious goal of becoming a scratch

519
00:36:04.440 --> 00:36:08.760
golfer or even breaking eighty or becoming
a mid seventy shooter regularly, do you

520
00:36:09.480 --> 00:36:16.039
feel that it's more of their energy
should be put on being at the range

521
00:36:16.320 --> 00:36:21.880
powering balls, just you know,
striking balls, or more time on the

522
00:36:21.920 --> 00:36:27.519
course playing situational golf, you know, being in various situations and learning from

523
00:36:27.559 --> 00:36:30.480
that. Where do you find the
greatest value? Is it playing golf or

524
00:36:30.559 --> 00:36:36.039
hitting balls, which I think are
two completely different things. Yeah, it's

525
00:36:36.079 --> 00:36:40.159
it's it's it's appends honestly on the
per se. Usually people if they're if

526
00:36:40.159 --> 00:36:43.599
they're shooting ninety and they want to
break eighty, it's gonna take that's.

527
00:36:44.000 --> 00:36:45.840
Yeah, they have to maybe be
a better ball striker. But at the

528
00:36:45.920 --> 00:36:49.840
end of the day, like what
I see a lot of times is their

529
00:36:49.880 --> 00:36:52.880
short game of potty need a ton
of work. Honestly, It's like their

530
00:36:52.920 --> 00:36:55.159
golf strings are fine, they're manageable. You can kind of teach them how

531
00:36:55.159 --> 00:37:00.800
to maybe play different golf golf club, maybe play more club, or play

532
00:37:00.920 --> 00:37:07.079
smarter, thank you very much.
Yeah, nice, exactly, not play

533
00:37:07.159 --> 00:37:14.480
smarter. It's golf exactly the U. But like there's but like if you're

534
00:37:14.559 --> 00:37:15.760
if you're talking like a person that
shoots one hundred, they want to break

535
00:37:15.760 --> 00:37:20.880
a hundred for the first time.
Which is probably the most important number for

536
00:37:21.039 --> 00:37:23.880
golfers and golf coaches to realize,
is that if a person breaks a hundred

537
00:37:24.840 --> 00:37:30.079
and they're going to be more inclined
to play more golf, there would be

538
00:37:30.079 --> 00:37:32.760
a golfer for life, essentially.
And that's research base um done by the

539
00:37:32.800 --> 00:37:38.119
proponent group, And it's like a
hockey stick effect where people breaking a hundred

540
00:37:38.159 --> 00:37:44.360
they play more golf, um.
And it's not necessarily how they don't hit

541
00:37:44.360 --> 00:37:46.840
the ball batter aasition, get up
and down around the greens little bit more.

542
00:37:46.920 --> 00:37:51.920
They need to keep the ball in
play, make less bad decisions and

543
00:37:52.760 --> 00:37:58.519
um, I mean that's the name
of the game and the way to go

544
00:37:58.679 --> 00:38:02.360
from even from eighties seventy's, it's
not the any if they're already probably hitting

545
00:38:02.760 --> 00:38:07.000
eight nine greens regulation the PGA two
ur averages eleven and a half on green

546
00:38:07.079 --> 00:38:09.360
relations, or if you include the
fringe, it's twelve and a half.

547
00:38:09.880 --> 00:38:14.199
So if you kind of just promote
those stats and give him a clear indication

548
00:38:14.280 --> 00:38:17.559
that it's not necessarily just the golf
swing and so the driving range is not

549
00:38:17.679 --> 00:38:23.199
necessarily it's it's a part of the
process. But I would say it's manage

550
00:38:23.239 --> 00:38:25.880
to their time more effectively. Like
I have a junior right now that just

551
00:38:27.039 --> 00:38:30.639
came to me. He wants to
be a D one college golfer. And

552
00:38:30.039 --> 00:38:35.159
he practice on the range for three
hours a day, and he puts a

553
00:38:35.199 --> 00:38:37.360
little bit for half hour, he
chips for half hour, and is in

554
00:38:37.039 --> 00:38:40.039
he three puts every time. He
doesn't play on the golf course enough,

555
00:38:40.079 --> 00:38:45.440
and and so now his whole practice
sessions. Now, hey, you're only

556
00:38:45.519 --> 00:38:47.360
going to practice on the golf course, and if you do practice outside of

557
00:38:47.360 --> 00:38:50.440
the golf course, you're just putting
it chipping, you're not hitting any golf

558
00:38:50.480 --> 00:38:54.039
balls. And so it all depends
on the person and where they're at and

559
00:38:54.280 --> 00:39:00.599
where there what their goals are.
So sometimes people don't hit a golf balls

560
00:39:00.400 --> 00:39:05.480
if they're trying to go from nine
to eighty or eighty five to seventy five,

561
00:39:05.519 --> 00:39:08.000
whatever it may be. So they
probably need it hit some hit some

562
00:39:08.079 --> 00:39:14.440
golf balls or but it's more about
how they practice is probably the better question.

563
00:39:14.960 --> 00:39:19.280
Because people just majority of people that
don't get coaching, they kind of

564
00:39:19.320 --> 00:39:21.440
just hit the seven iron or the
eight iron, and they just hit the

565
00:39:21.480 --> 00:39:25.960
same shot over and over again.
A lot of block practice and research based.

566
00:39:25.960 --> 00:39:30.239
Again, it's it's not how people
get better. Faster, more variable,

567
00:39:30.280 --> 00:39:36.119
more random practice is a lot more
effective and it may be a short

568
00:39:36.239 --> 00:39:39.280
term that the results up might be
as good in the short term, but

569
00:39:39.360 --> 00:39:44.519
the long term effects are a lot
greater. So it's more about how they

570
00:39:44.559 --> 00:39:49.000
practice as well, and having that
the accountability partner, the coach to kind

571
00:39:49.000 --> 00:39:52.400
of guide them for that processes.
Isn't a fourth part of that to person's

572
00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:59.960
journey? Is it harder to break
a hundred or is it harder to break

573
00:40:00.400 --> 00:40:08.480
eighty? Uh? Because once you
break one hundred, breaking ninety isn't that

574
00:40:08.960 --> 00:40:15.480
out of reach? But right?
But once but getting to break one hundred

575
00:40:15.159 --> 00:40:19.239
for a lot of people, that's
just physical, right, that's just skill

576
00:40:19.320 --> 00:40:22.599
set. But then when breaking eighty, I think is more almost more mindset.

577
00:40:23.559 --> 00:40:27.760
Yeah, I think it's I think
it's more. I think from a

578
00:40:27.920 --> 00:40:30.360
I'm more of a I call myself
more of a strategy coach from even from

579
00:40:30.400 --> 00:40:35.199
a swing perspective too, like how
to swim the club or maybe different strategy

580
00:40:35.280 --> 00:40:42.119
to promote a different ball shot rather
than changing a technical change. So like

581
00:40:42.199 --> 00:40:44.599
breaking from a hunt, breaking one
hundred is going to be, especially if

582
00:40:44.639 --> 00:40:46.519
they're playing a little bit. You
can kind of get if they can hit

583
00:40:46.559 --> 00:40:50.920
the ball somewhat decently, Like they
don't need to hit any greens regulation pretty

584
00:40:51.000 --> 00:40:53.320
much to break a hundred, Right, if they just like literally chipped the

585
00:40:53.320 --> 00:40:58.199
ball around the greens and made then
started to pop more, I mean,

586
00:40:58.239 --> 00:41:01.440
they're gonna break a hundred easily.
But from from breaking eighty, it's definitely

587
00:41:01.719 --> 00:41:06.599
an emotional aspect of it too,
because it is a huge barrier, just

588
00:41:06.679 --> 00:41:09.880
like one hundred. But you do
have to Green's regulation, you do have

589
00:41:10.079 --> 00:41:14.840
to have a decent short game,
you do have to make some puts um

590
00:41:15.920 --> 00:41:21.000
and so it's definitely like going from
eighty five to breaking eighty. I think

591
00:41:21.079 --> 00:41:24.880
the mindset barriers a little bits a
little challenging for sure, but if you

592
00:41:24.960 --> 00:41:29.800
just kind of stick to the process
and stick to I think more of a

593
00:41:30.239 --> 00:41:32.679
game plan. One I always hear
this a lot is like, um,

594
00:41:34.039 --> 00:41:37.360
it's such an emotional game, but
we sometimes make it too emotional, right,

595
00:41:37.400 --> 00:41:40.239
We make it like we almost attach
our our emotions to each and every

596
00:41:40.280 --> 00:41:45.000
golf shot. And if we just
kind of stick to a strategy that kind

597
00:41:45.039 --> 00:41:47.559
of detaches us from a golf shot
and more it makes it more of a

598
00:41:50.519 --> 00:41:52.320
less emotional. It kind of takes
or takes emotions out of golf shots.

599
00:41:52.840 --> 00:41:57.519
So kind of having a game plan
set forward and being able to hit one

600
00:41:57.559 --> 00:42:00.559
shot at a time and focus on
that one shot and just like seeing where

601
00:42:00.559 --> 00:42:04.000
it goes and they're kind of moving
on. That's where breaking eighty is a

602
00:42:04.039 --> 00:42:12.159
lot more effectives than is the technical
stuff. Because we look at a study

603
00:42:12.400 --> 00:42:16.840
based on MT that they did about
golf scores. It's ninety five minus two

604
00:42:16.920 --> 00:42:22.599
times a number of greens, so
meaning that if you shoot if you hit

605
00:42:23.079 --> 00:42:30.880
say eight greens regulation, that's sixteen. The ninety five sixteen would equal seventy

606
00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:35.599
nine. So you really need to
hit eight greens regulation to really shoot,

607
00:42:35.679 --> 00:42:40.559
like have a good chance of breaking
eighty. Wow. Wow, that's an

608
00:42:40.599 --> 00:42:45.639
interesting way to look at it,
and I think that's where I think people

609
00:42:45.840 --> 00:42:47.880
shoot like eighty five, Like,
oh I hit nine ten eleven greens regulation.

610
00:42:49.480 --> 00:42:52.800
I'm like, okay, sounds great. So what do you do do

611
00:42:52.840 --> 00:42:54.320
you how many times you three hut
in the round and golf and how many

612
00:42:54.360 --> 00:42:58.679
times do you can't chip the ball
in the green? From twenty five yards

613
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right, and you're you're hitting the
green in regulation except the flags in the

614
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back, and you're barely getting it's
barely making it over the fringe into the

615
00:43:07.159 --> 00:43:10.679
into the green and the very start
of the green. It's like your placement

616
00:43:10.719 --> 00:43:15.199
on the green may not be that
good. And then you're not practicing your

617
00:43:15.280 --> 00:43:19.960
lag putting. You just pick exactly, You just go out there and practice.

618
00:43:20.000 --> 00:43:23.039
You're eighteen to twenty foot puts.
Why are you? Yeah, exactly?

619
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And people pact their eighteen They don't
mean practice those pots, honestly,

620
00:43:27.400 --> 00:43:30.280
Like they don't be practice putting whatsoever. If you talk about the average golfers,

621
00:43:30.280 --> 00:43:34.280
they're practicing very little in short game, very little on putting, and

622
00:43:34.360 --> 00:43:37.360
spending eighty percent of their their time
nipes and the time on the driving range.

623
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And they think they're getting better and
they just it's funny. I'll see

624
00:43:40.719 --> 00:43:45.719
players get a golf shot, they
hit one bad shot, then they're folks

625
00:43:45.760 --> 00:43:47.760
on fixing their golf swing. Then
they spend a whole hour and fixing their

626
00:43:47.800 --> 00:43:51.280
golf swing. Hit one shot at
the very end like oh I'm fixed,

627
00:43:51.280 --> 00:43:54.159
I'm solved, good to go,
and yeah, this freaking hanks your wheel

628
00:43:55.000 --> 00:44:00.599
and they spend seventy percent of the
time a driving, rain hitting driver.

629
00:44:00.639 --> 00:44:06.800
Yeah, it's like it's kind of
humorous. Um, So tell me about

630
00:44:06.920 --> 00:44:10.960
the property that you work at.
Codadakaza Golf and Racquet Club. I'm sure

631
00:44:12.079 --> 00:44:16.800
racket includes a lot of pickleball these
days, but it's kind of taking over.

632
00:44:17.280 --> 00:44:21.920
I was at the PGA show this
year and they had racquetball and they

633
00:44:21.960 --> 00:44:28.119
had pickleball going on a court and
lessons and it's like, wait, I

634
00:44:28.199 --> 00:44:30.679
thought, this is a golf show
and you got pickleball going on it.

635
00:44:30.960 --> 00:44:34.920
It's that hot. But tell me
about this property and how long you've been

636
00:44:34.960 --> 00:44:39.039
there and what kind of services and
amenities that they offer. Yeah, so

637
00:44:39.079 --> 00:44:44.920
I've been there for about two and
a half years now and we were a

638
00:44:45.000 --> 00:44:50.039
thirty six whole property. It's two
amazing golf courses, um North course in

639
00:44:50.079 --> 00:44:54.000
the South course that sits in the
in the kind of the bottom of Codadakaza.

640
00:44:54.440 --> 00:44:58.639
It's like a city outsource of like
Mission Viejo or ranch of Santa marc

641
00:44:58.719 --> 00:45:05.639
Rita where a real Housewives of Orange
County started. But it's a phenomenal track.

642
00:45:05.719 --> 00:45:09.400
It's a massive we have a huge
driving range, two great practice screens.

643
00:45:09.440 --> 00:45:15.559
We have gym and tennis and pool
and it's just a it's a phenomenal

644
00:45:15.639 --> 00:45:20.719
facility and I'm able to from a
teaching perspective like we've got. When I

645
00:45:20.800 --> 00:45:24.400
first started there, we didn't really
have much going on as far as you

646
00:45:24.440 --> 00:45:28.920
know, there's not much teaching going
on at the facility. And we actually

647
00:45:29.039 --> 00:45:32.719
increase our revenues by over four hundred
percent in my two years of being there.

648
00:45:34.000 --> 00:45:37.320
Actually a first year we did by
three hundred and a little over three

649
00:45:37.400 --> 00:45:39.360
hundred percent in my very first year. And now we have a team up

650
00:45:39.559 --> 00:45:45.639
four other instructors that support the academy. We have about one hundred and ten

651
00:45:45.760 --> 00:45:52.639
juniors that are in the monthly programs. We see about three hundred kids during

652
00:45:52.639 --> 00:46:00.559
the summertime. We have about safety, adults and programming right now that are

653
00:46:00.920 --> 00:46:06.960
members and we I mean, are
the facilities just gracious for us and that

654
00:46:07.239 --> 00:46:10.519
they trust us to to build this
academy, And I mean in the world

655
00:46:10.519 --> 00:46:14.480
of golf course all the time.
Now it's like our golf courses. We

656
00:46:14.559 --> 00:46:16.159
have access to the golf course,
which is nice and luckily have two golf

657
00:46:16.199 --> 00:46:20.039
courses and when one's kind of booked
up, we kind of can utilize the

658
00:46:20.159 --> 00:46:24.320
other one, which is nice and
I mean and there, I mean,

659
00:46:25.000 --> 00:46:28.679
we have a one golf course that's
a little bit longer. It's like seventy

660
00:46:28.960 --> 00:46:34.599
one hundred yards and seventy five rating
from the tips and huge undulated greens,

661
00:46:34.599 --> 00:46:39.039
and the other courses it's about sixty
nine hundred and a little bit more narrow

662
00:46:39.119 --> 00:46:45.079
and smaller greens. So it's kind
of a different challenge. Kind yeah,

663
00:46:45.159 --> 00:46:47.840
different challenges which has been it's really
cool to teach, Yeah, I bet,

664
00:46:49.119 --> 00:46:52.719
I bet. Is it a private
club, Yeah, private facility,

665
00:46:53.880 --> 00:47:02.599
so we were it's an invited club
and it's a it's ah, so we

666
00:47:02.719 --> 00:47:08.679
have other properties around obviously the country
and it's uh, we're so we're able

667
00:47:08.719 --> 00:47:12.960
to kind of access some other golf
courses in Orange County or San Diego or

668
00:47:13.000 --> 00:47:16.199
Alla as well. So do you
have students from the outside of the club

669
00:47:16.280 --> 00:47:20.719
that you work with or are you
just keeping it to the people who are

670
00:47:20.920 --> 00:47:27.559
members. Yeah, so I teach
um people at our members at the property.

671
00:47:27.679 --> 00:47:30.800
We I do a little bit of
outside. It's more of like a

672
00:47:30.960 --> 00:47:36.079
recommended person too that comes and sees
us. Our juniors were able to kind

673
00:47:36.119 --> 00:47:40.599
of utilize um the city and be
able to have other kids a part of

674
00:47:40.639 --> 00:47:47.519
the part of our academy. So
that's part. It's really cool too to

675
00:47:47.719 --> 00:47:52.880
have at the property there. But
whenever wherever we have we have ton Sie.

676
00:47:52.920 --> 00:47:55.519
We do everything in group settings.
Most of our coaching is done in

677
00:47:55.599 --> 00:48:00.159
groups and we see more people.
It's we think it's more effective for so

678
00:48:00.360 --> 00:48:06.280
we're able to kind of coach more
people essentially for the amount of time number

679
00:48:06.360 --> 00:48:09.719
there. Awesome. Well, dude, it was great to talk to you.

680
00:48:09.840 --> 00:48:15.000
Congratulations again on the award and for
being recognized. That's pretty amazing,

681
00:48:15.519 --> 00:48:20.639
and also for having two daughters,
because that's going to take a lot of

682
00:48:20.760 --> 00:48:23.559
your time in your life. But
I really enjoyed the conversation. Thanks so

683
00:48:23.679 --> 00:48:30.079
much for joining us. Thanks right, I appreciate it. So this week

684
00:48:30.119 --> 00:48:36.400
I received this great email from Golf
Smarter ambassador Eric Emil, who found a

685
00:48:36.599 --> 00:48:40.480
video on social media that shows Gary
Player, a golfer who competed in one

686
00:48:40.559 --> 00:48:46.880
hundred and sixty five worldwide tournaments,
describing a move that was taught to him

687
00:48:47.559 --> 00:48:54.519
by Ben Hogan in nineteen fifty seven. Yet Player admits that he didn't realize

688
00:48:54.559 --> 00:49:00.679
its value until he was seventy years
old. Now. The reason are excited

689
00:49:00.719 --> 00:49:06.519
to me is that it's exactly what
Tony Manzoni told us over and over and

690
00:49:06.800 --> 00:49:13.000
over about keeping your left bicep attached
to your chest. Obviously I can't play

691
00:49:13.039 --> 00:49:16.039
the video here, but I can
share what he said. This I only

692
00:49:16.159 --> 00:49:20.639
lent when I was seventy years old, when all those majors one hundred and

693
00:49:20.679 --> 00:49:23.639
sixty five tournaments, eighteen majors,
nine on both to us trigging the wrong

694
00:49:23.679 --> 00:49:27.840
way. And he found this out
when I was seventeen, and its suddenly

695
00:49:27.960 --> 00:49:30.639
twigged on me what the greatest player
of the world had ever seen, Ben

696
00:49:30.719 --> 00:49:34.519
Hogan did and but he wouldn't tell
you, but he mentioned it Jimmy,

697
00:49:34.519 --> 00:49:37.119
though I was too damp dumb to
understand what he was saying. When you

698
00:49:37.239 --> 00:49:39.679
go back and you're there, I
always always talked straight back, straight back.

699
00:49:42.840 --> 00:49:46.559
Now, when you're playing under pressure, you can be there. What's

700
00:49:46.599 --> 00:49:52.480
the difference thee there there? If
you're that far out, when you're playing

701
00:49:52.519 --> 00:49:55.480
tournaments, you're intro, you've got
to be able to swing the exact same

702
00:49:55.559 --> 00:50:00.639
way, and even then it's tough. So now if you go back when

703
00:50:00.639 --> 00:50:07.320
your left arm across your chest.
Why there see that You've been the same

704
00:50:07.800 --> 00:50:13.079
every single time. So when Gary
player refers to the position of the left

705
00:50:13.239 --> 00:50:16.800
arm and you hear a slapping sound, that's showing how much room there was

706
00:50:16.920 --> 00:50:22.639
between his left arm and his chest. And when he says there, there,

707
00:50:22.199 --> 00:50:27.519
there, he's referring to the position
of his left arm in relation to

708
00:50:27.639 --> 00:50:31.360
his chest. It's so good.
I mean, we all know how great

709
00:50:31.440 --> 00:50:36.960
a teacher Tony was, but as
with anything in golf, it's really not

710
00:50:37.199 --> 00:50:42.159
validated till you see or hear it
from a PGA Tour player, let alone

711
00:50:42.239 --> 00:50:46.280
someone who won eighteen worldwide majors.
Now if you go to today's blog post,

712
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you'll see that video link. I
want to give thanks to Ken Greenberg,

713
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who plays at Waters Creek in Dallas, Texas, and he is our

714
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newest Golf Smarter Ambassador. Ken chose
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his gift for leaving a voicemail,
which is all it's required to gain your

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