1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:06,960 What are influencers right? What are social influenced people who use products that then 2 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:11,039 say use what I'm using, and then that influences us to do what they're 3 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:16,320 doing well. Kelly Slater influenced Adam Scott to try the technology and the putter 4 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:21,519 and eventually leads to Adam Scott putting in his bag and helps Adam Scott in 5 00:00:21,559 --> 00:00:25,280 the last five years. If you look at Adam Scott's putting stats before lab 6 00:00:25,359 --> 00:00:29,800 Golf and now after lab Golf, it's night and day. So the proof 7 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:33,520 is actually in the pudding. Whether you buy a lab or don't buy, 8 00:00:33,799 --> 00:00:38,039 I'm just telling you this is a hell of a story of how one thing 9 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:41,039 leads to another, which leads to another, which leads to another, which 10 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:46,520 leads to Lucas Glover going from push putting and a horrific case of the yips 11 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:52,759 to winning back to back PGA torments. Hi. This is Hugh Levinson from 12 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:56,359 Danville, California, and I play golf at the Bridges Golf Course in San 13 00:00:56,479 --> 00:01:03,680 Ramon. This is golf'sparer number ninety three. TV personality writer and producer Matt 14 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:10,480 Janella on the rags to riches story of lab Golf This is Golf Smarter, 15 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:15,159 sharing stories, tips and insights from great golf minds to help you lower your 16 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:22,079 score and raise your golf IQ. Here's your host, Fred Green. Welcome 17 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:26,120 to the Golf Smarter podcast. Matt, thanks for having me, Fred, 18 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:29,879 I appreciate it looking forward to the conversation. I am too, because you 19 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:34,159 have had a conversation that I've been following for weeks and weeks and weeks. 20 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:37,840 I've been traveling. I was in Costa Rica, I was in the Deep 21 00:01:37,879 --> 00:01:42,079 South, and every time a new episode of your podcast, The fire Pit 22 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:49,000 Collective comes up and you're doing this long form story on Lab Golf, I'm 23 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:52,799 like, I've got to listen to this because I'm a big fan of Lab 24 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:56,239 Golf. Sam's been on the show multiple times, all the way back to 25 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:59,599 twenty twenty. It was the first time he was on the show. And 26 00:01:59,799 --> 00:02:02,959 then you're doing this breakdown of the company, and I'm like, obsessed. 27 00:02:05,799 --> 00:02:09,400 I we we have that in common. Obsessed would be a good word to 28 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:17,400 describe my interest in what I didn't you know again, I've, as I 29 00:02:17,479 --> 00:02:23,360 explained kind of in part one of this series that I chose to kind of 30 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:28,960 break up in different different parts so that it's more consumable to the consumer. 31 00:02:29,879 --> 00:02:32,599 I'm not an equipment guy. I'm not. I don't I put it with 32 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:38,080 the same putter for fifteen years. I you know, I get offered to 33 00:02:38,159 --> 00:02:40,759 get fittings, and I definitely do it because getting fit is the right thing 34 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:46,120 to do. But I literally play whatever they tell me I should be playing. 35 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:49,599 I don't think with my God, there's stuff. There's stuff in my 36 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:52,680 back. If it works, I don't swap it out. You know, 37 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:57,919 I'm always the believer that it's definitely the Indian not the arrow right, Like, 38 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:05,800 if something goes wrong, it's not the equipment's fault, it's it's and 39 00:03:05,879 --> 00:03:12,879 so I come at it from that. So I got introduced to Sam through 40 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:16,879 a college friend at the PGA Merchandise show. Going back to what I believe 41 00:03:17,039 --> 00:03:22,199 was twenty eighteen. He had bought the company in twenty eighteen, so it 42 00:03:22,199 --> 00:03:29,520 had been probably twenty nineteen was when I actually met Sam. He showed me 43 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:32,960 the revealer. I was like, I have no idea what I'm looking at. 44 00:03:34,159 --> 00:03:38,879 Things were flopping around that stakes well, it all felt a little like 45 00:03:39,319 --> 00:03:45,199 pitchy to me. And again for a non equipment guy, I walked away. 46 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:46,879 I called my buddy, I said, I met Sam. Looks really 47 00:03:46,879 --> 00:03:50,439 cool. I have no idea what we're talking about here. I have no 48 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:53,080 idea what the technology I know. And that was it. That was it. 49 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:57,800 That was the last. I mean, we might have had a slight 50 00:03:57,879 --> 00:04:00,800 correspondence, you know, Oh, send me a video and I'll give you, 51 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,759 But I never did. I never, I never was. That was 52 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:09,280 the last interaction I had in and around lab Golf was January of twenty nineteen, 53 00:04:09,719 --> 00:04:14,479 Sam Han while he's meeting you know how many people he meets at PGA 54 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:19,879 Merchandise Show, I walked away. Now I follow Lucas Glover. We both 55 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:26,600 have warn link soul forever. We have a mutual friend in John Ashworth and 56 00:04:26,639 --> 00:04:30,839 a mutual friend in Michael Simms. Plays out at goat Hill Park if and 57 00:04:30,879 --> 00:04:36,279 when he's around town. So Lucas Glover has been a somebody that I've followed. 58 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:41,040 I know Lucas, We've had several long conversations out, you know, 59 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:46,040 in my time of traveling around and following golf. And this gets back to 60 00:04:46,079 --> 00:04:51,319 the obsession of where I'm going and our common denominator here, which is obsessed 61 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:57,399 with lab golf. I didn't know I was obsessed until I know what I 62 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:03,040 know, right, And when I watched Lucas Glover Struggle we all have very 63 00:05:03,399 --> 00:05:10,079 infamously on the greens four years now, coming and going, you know, 64 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:15,680 on the verge of breaking sixty, shooting fifty nine, very infamously yips a 65 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:20,439 putt from a couple feet away, and it gets shown like I can't even 66 00:05:20,519 --> 00:05:25,759 watch that, we can't even I can't even think about like and as Brett 67 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:30,360 Rumford says in the series, you know, this guy's on an absolute heater 68 00:05:30,439 --> 00:05:36,600 and yips a short putt to break sixty, and he ends up push putting, 69 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:43,720 literally soling the putter from behind the ball and essentially like pushing the putt 70 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:48,560 towards the hole to try to prevent this yips and goes on to win, 71 00:05:48,759 --> 00:05:54,399 and then with a Lab Golf putter in his hand, wins back to back 72 00:05:54,439 --> 00:05:59,279 PGA Tour events in August of last year. That's when I called my buddy 73 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:03,120 and I said, hold on, remember you introduced me to that guy and 74 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:08,199 he had that putter. Is this the same putter that we're talking about? 75 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:13,199 He goes, yeah, that's Lab Golf. That's Sam Hun who I introduced 76 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:15,560 and I said, that's what Lucas is using to win back to back tour 77 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:18,800 events. He goes yes, and I was like, I'm making some phone 78 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:23,160 calls. I said, can you connect me to Sam? I want to 79 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:30,120 understand what's going on. If that putter helped Lucas Glover cure those yips and 80 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:36,879 win back to back PGA Tour events after push putting, what in the hell 81 00:06:36,959 --> 00:06:42,800 is going on here? And that started it all? And it was one 82 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:46,720 So it was it just a natural curiosity to learn more about it or did 83 00:06:46,759 --> 00:06:49,600 you see a story that like, oh, I've got to flush this out. 84 00:06:49,879 --> 00:06:56,279 No? Well I assumed there was a story, but then I got 85 00:06:56,279 --> 00:07:00,240 on with Sam. Sam said, this is like two weeks after. This 86 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:05,879 is two weeks after Lucas wins, right, and it's I interview Sam even 87 00:07:05,959 --> 00:07:15,240 before they had announced the Ryder Cup players, So sometime around the Tour Championship, 88 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:20,399 but before they had announced the Ryder Cup picks, and Sam agrees to 89 00:07:20,439 --> 00:07:27,160 do an interview with me, and two hours later we finished the interview. 90 00:07:27,199 --> 00:07:30,480 I got two hours of Sam Hunt telling me the whole story of lab Golf 91 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:36,000 and the stuff that he shares in those interviews. I was like, wait 92 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:40,720 a minute, I've talked to Sam for hours. I don't know any of 93 00:07:40,759 --> 00:07:45,720 this. It was so good. He he comes jumps off the page right 94 00:07:45,759 --> 00:07:47,720 like, as you know, Sam is a colorful human being. He's a 95 00:07:47,759 --> 00:07:54,600 colorful character. He's obviously very smart, he's very articulate. He's passionate. 96 00:07:55,199 --> 00:08:01,240 He unders you know, he's passionate not only about life but about his product. 97 00:08:01,399 --> 00:08:09,399 Right, He's he literally figuratively, financially, spiritually, emotionally bought into 98 00:08:09,439 --> 00:08:15,040 this company and to Bill, the Bill Pressey. So I didn't even know. 99 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:18,560 I don't know Bill at all. So I'm going so he mentions Bill 100 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:20,399 Bill, and I got the and I go, so, where is Bill? 101 00:08:20,519 --> 00:08:24,839 Like, in my mind, did he did Bill? Is Bill alive? 102 00:08:24,959 --> 00:08:26,839 Is Bill like some eighty five year old guy? I had no idea 103 00:08:26,879 --> 00:08:30,959 who Bill Pressey was. I had no idea we bought it? And he 104 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,919 goes, yeah, Bill's Bill, Bill still, you know, part owner 105 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:35,960 of the company. Bill and I talk all the time. Bill's still alive. 106 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:39,120 Where is he? He's in Reno. He moves like, I'm like, 107 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:43,279 so I can get access to So I have two hours with Sam and 108 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:46,559 I'm going, wait, this guy is still alive. So not only is 109 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:50,759 still alive, Bill Pressey has become one of my favorite people roaming the planet. 110 00:08:52,279 --> 00:08:54,720 Sam turns me onto Bill. So the next call I make is to 111 00:08:54,759 --> 00:09:01,559 Bill Pressey and he gives me two hours. So I have two hours of 112 00:09:01,639 --> 00:09:07,240 Sam and two hours with Bill, and I'm going, I've got, I've 113 00:09:07,279 --> 00:09:09,639 got. I might be sitting on one of the best stories I've ever told. 114 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:16,799 And it's because Fred. It's not just Sam's story and it's not just 115 00:09:16,919 --> 00:09:22,639 Bill's story to me. The spokes that come out of you know, when 116 00:09:22,759 --> 00:09:26,840 Sam says there are four magic moments. Okay, there's you know, there's 117 00:09:26,879 --> 00:09:31,720 there's the idea that I that my putter broke, which is why I got 118 00:09:31,759 --> 00:09:35,879 on with Bill, which is then we created this chemistry. And then I 119 00:09:35,919 --> 00:09:39,679 bought in on the company. And then it's von Taylor that needed to get 120 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:43,840 his card that Sam happens to be out there late night one day at the 121 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:48,480 at the Barracuda and he gets the hand in Voluntael. Then there's Kelly Slater, 122 00:09:48,639 --> 00:09:52,600 who is impervious to sort of the looks and the bullshitty of like that 123 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:54,960 that's associated with like, oh if it doesn't look good, I don't want 124 00:09:54,960 --> 00:10:00,720 to play it. Kelly Slater cuts through all that, because Kelly's later is 125 00:10:00,759 --> 00:10:03,279 one of the most competitive human beings roman the planet. He just wants to 126 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:07,440 win. He just wants to get the ball in the hole. He just 127 00:10:07,519 --> 00:10:11,320 wants to putt well, he wants to beat the guy that he's playing. 128 00:10:11,399 --> 00:10:15,799 I don't care. He didn't care who it is, so for him to 129 00:10:15,879 --> 00:10:20,519 use the directive force at Pebble Beach with his friend Adam Scott and put better 130 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:24,679 than anybody else in the group all week, and Adam Scott say, let 131 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:30,879 me see that. Now it's Adam Scott using it, which then ultimately leads 132 00:10:30,919 --> 00:10:33,080 to Lucas Glover saying, give me what Adam Scott has wear the same height. 133 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:41,799 That trail and that narrative arc is what Sam articulated to me in the 134 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:45,399 two hours of like these are the four critical moments. And I'm like, 135 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:48,200 well, if I drilled down and tell all four of those stories because I 136 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:50,519 got access to Kelly Slater, he plays at goat Hill Park. We have 137 00:10:50,519 --> 00:10:54,759 a lot of mutual friends. I've had a lot of you know, interaction 138 00:10:54,879 --> 00:10:58,720 with him over there. So I'm got if I can, if Sam can 139 00:10:58,759 --> 00:11:03,840 get me Bill and Bill and these guys can get me Von Taylor, which 140 00:11:03,879 --> 00:11:07,720 I know, and I've covered Vaughan his whole career, and then I can 141 00:11:07,799 --> 00:11:11,399 get to Kelly Slater, and then I can get to Adam Scott. Well, 142 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:15,960 I know I can get to Lucas Glover. Now I've got the framework 143 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:18,000 of being able to tell this whole narrative arc, and then it leads me 144 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:22,440 all those stories lead me into all other directions with a lot of other voices. 145 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:26,919 And the fire Pit podcast has always been one story told by multiple voices, 146 00:11:28,919 --> 00:11:35,159 piecing all these voices together to create one narrative arc, and it just 147 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:39,279 so happens. This is like an eight hour narrative arc that I think spokes 148 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:46,240 out into ten twelve, fourteen different story. Brett Rumford, I'd never heard 149 00:11:46,279 --> 00:11:50,240 of Brett Rumford, and Sam tells me about Brett Rumford. That's a whole 150 00:11:50,279 --> 00:11:54,039 other story. Jason Kuhn is the Navy seal who helps. So it turns 151 00:11:54,039 --> 00:11:58,919 out Lucas Glover gets good at putting, not just by lab golf, but 152 00:11:58,039 --> 00:12:03,799 also through that through the mental training of a Navy seal sniper who overcame yips 153 00:12:03,879 --> 00:12:07,360 himself. So now I'm going like, oh my god, I can't stop. 154 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:11,799 I can't stop. I'm twenty. I mean, you have to you 155 00:12:11,879 --> 00:12:16,000 have to stop right now. I'm going to take a break here because you've 156 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:20,600 dropped Yeah, right exactly, but you've dropped so many names that I want 157 00:12:20,639 --> 00:12:26,919 to pick apart because of this amazing story in this podcast series that you're doing. 158 00:12:26,919 --> 00:12:28,519 But we're going to take a break and we'll be back with Matt Janella 159 00:12:28,639 --> 00:12:39,840 right after this. So what it blew my mind is you just mentioned that 160 00:12:39,879 --> 00:12:46,240 there's more episodes coming by at the time we're recording this. Just the last 161 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:50,879 week, listened to episode eight, and I was absolutely convinced that was the 162 00:12:50,039 --> 00:12:54,360 end of the series because you played the full song at the end of it. 163 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:56,559 I'm like, okay, so that's a nice way to wrap it up 164 00:12:56,559 --> 00:13:00,519 because I love the song and it's perfect. Did you write the words to 165 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:05,320 the song? I mean, that's a Joe Horowitz song. Joe Horowitz is 166 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:09,240 a good friend of mine. He is a golfer, you know, very 167 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:16,759 accomplished, you know, professional who played on the Canadian Tour. He's in 168 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:22,080 places association, He's won some good events. But he's also a musician. 169 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:26,399 Yeah, and he's a hell of a guitar player and a musician, and 170 00:13:26,799 --> 00:13:30,799 I've gotten to know. I got to know he had the makings of a 171 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:37,519 of a jingle. Essentially, he created that the tune and for the podcast 172 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:41,639 back in twenty twenty when we launched the Firepit podcast, and if you go 173 00:13:41,759 --> 00:13:46,559 back in the history of our podcast and go back to the episodes, I 174 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:50,519 meet a guy at Jason Day's event by the name of jaquir King. He's 175 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:58,960 a Grammy Award winning producer, music producer and avid golfer and I paired jaquir 176 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:07,519 King with Joe Horowitz and they flushed out and built out that song which is 177 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:16,120 called The Story, that he then recorded in Nashville at Jakir King's music studio, 178 00:14:16,879 --> 00:14:22,000 and I did a podcast on the making of the Story. So there's 179 00:14:22,039 --> 00:14:28,039 actually a podcast that tells a story of the making of that song, which 180 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:31,960 is called The Story, in which Jakir and Joe share how they work through 181 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:37,639 and come up with and we recorded them recording the Story. I'm not one 182 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:43,440 to promote other people's podcast especially golf podcasts, and so this is rarity, 183 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:50,440 but I'm because I love the story so much now and when I first saw 184 00:14:50,559 --> 00:14:52,039 fire pit. What does that have to do with golf? Right, But 185 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:58,159 now that you talk about how every episode is multiple a story from multiple angles, 186 00:14:58,159 --> 00:15:01,720 from multiple voice vices, that now makes sense to me that it's just 187 00:15:01,759 --> 00:15:05,480 a bunch of guys sitting around the fire pit chatting. That that was the 188 00:15:05,799 --> 00:15:11,840 that was the thought, and that also it's not golf specific. Goes back 189 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:16,480 to the beginning of time, people sitting around warmth and a fire, listening 190 00:15:16,519 --> 00:15:20,799 to or telling good stories of the day of their life, of their career. 191 00:15:22,159 --> 00:15:26,759 It also allows me to go in different directions beyond just golf. I've 192 00:15:26,759 --> 00:15:30,200 told this, I've got a multi part series on the history, the life 193 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:33,879 and legacy of Tony Gwynn. That's a passion project for me. I went 194 00:15:33,919 --> 00:15:37,480 on Ken Griffy Junior telling the story about back to back home runs with his 195 00:15:37,559 --> 00:15:41,840 father in which I had you know, so I've done I've done some baseball 196 00:15:41,879 --> 00:15:48,600 podcasts, you know, Tony Gwinn and Ken Griffy our baseball. I've done 197 00:15:48,039 --> 00:15:54,200 stories about uh, you know, Alan Schipknok how he got his job at 198 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:58,879 Sports Illustrated and all the different sort of ebbs and flow. I've done a 199 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:03,080 Walter Yost podcast on like shooting the catch in the corner of the end zone, 200 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:07,000 and Michael Jordan all of the photos he's done, following around Michael Jersey. 201 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:11,759 So it allows me to just follow my nose. It allows me to 202 00:16:11,919 --> 00:16:15,879 to to be passionate about the stories I want to tell, so being the 203 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:22,159 journalist that you are. So I was telling you before we started recording. 204 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:26,759 I told you my whole thing about fantasy play by play. I was in 205 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:30,360 Seattle for a baseball game. Seattle Mariners were one of the teams that we 206 00:16:30,399 --> 00:16:34,559 did fantasy play by play. I was in the game. I was there 207 00:16:34,879 --> 00:16:41,120 for the night that Ken Griffy Senior got a double. He's on second base. 208 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:48,320 Junior comes up and hits a home run, right, And you know 209 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:52,159 usually when a guy is on base and comes home and he's waiting for the 210 00:16:52,159 --> 00:16:55,559 guy who hit the home run, he slaps him on the button and then 211 00:16:55,559 --> 00:16:57,879 they go in the dugout. Oh no, not Senior, No, what 212 00:16:57,919 --> 00:17:03,680 does he do? He's the He rubs his head like good kid. I 213 00:17:03,799 --> 00:17:07,359 lo was like, oh, that was heaven. And after the game, 214 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:11,960 I'm leaving with my friends who work for the team. Junior's behind me about 215 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:17,039 five feet walking and his Dad's about eight feet in front of me, and 216 00:17:17,079 --> 00:17:18,960 I'm right in the middle, and they're john back and forth to each other, 217 00:17:19,599 --> 00:17:22,319 and it's just the kind of stuff you can never remember, you never 218 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:27,079 repeat, but you know you were there. Well. One of the greatest 219 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:33,000 thrills of my life. I never I tell Arnold Palmer's story in this pod 220 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:37,519 in a podcast that my last visit with Arnold Palmer three months before he died, 221 00:17:37,599 --> 00:17:40,759 by the way, that's that's a whole And he tells a Roger Merris 222 00:17:40,799 --> 00:17:45,000 story that's worth if anybody's listening and likes Arnold Palmer and Roger Merris, that's 223 00:17:45,039 --> 00:17:49,319 an incredible story about the nineteen sixty hitcock Belt. That's that's a whole nother 224 00:17:49,839 --> 00:17:53,799 story. I never got to meet Tony Gwynn. You know, I never 225 00:17:53,839 --> 00:17:57,079 got to meet Vince Scully. These are my you know, my Mount Rushmore. 226 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:02,839 These we're talking about, these are my guy, right, but being 227 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:07,559 able to interview Ken Griffy Junior, and he popped on like you know, 228 00:18:07,599 --> 00:18:11,920 I popped on here on Riverside. He popped on screen for this zoom sit 229 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:18,279 down and behind him are all of his gold gloves, and he told me 230 00:18:18,519 --> 00:18:25,039 the story of being able to do that. As Tom Verducci says in the 231 00:18:25,079 --> 00:18:30,920 podcast, it's pretty safe to say this will never happen again, that father 232 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:34,359 and son will play for the same team, be in a lineup back to 233 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:40,720 back and get an opportunity to hit back to back home runs. This is 234 00:18:40,759 --> 00:18:45,440 something that may never ever happen again, and quite possibly would be one of 235 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:51,799 the greatest sporting feats that well, you know, I'm a father, now, 236 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:53,519 you know, I tell my son to say, you know, you 237 00:18:53,559 --> 00:18:56,359 know, that's my boy kind of a thing, right like your brother, 238 00:18:56,519 --> 00:19:03,240 that's my guy. Exactly the idea that you could be hitting in front of 239 00:19:03,319 --> 00:19:07,720 him and hit a home run, which that must feel amazing hitting a home 240 00:19:07,799 --> 00:19:12,640 run in the major leagues and to be then look you go to the dugout 241 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:17,559 and then to watch your son in the next at bat. I think it 242 00:19:17,559 --> 00:19:22,400 was a three to zero pitch, knock it out of the park. I 243 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:29,079 mean, so yeah, that if all the things, I don't know how 244 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:33,799 many episodes I'm in and whatever, I mean, that conversation with Ken Griffy 245 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:40,680 Junior, and that opportunity to talk baseball and golf by the way, Avid 246 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:42,359 Golfer, and he tells me a story about how he and his dad played 247 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:47,559 golf with Tiger and his dad, which is a cool which is a cool 248 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:52,359 story in itself. You know, Ken Griffy Jr. I was never a 249 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:56,240 Mariners fan, but I was a baseball fan. And he is, He's 250 00:19:56,319 --> 00:19:59,799 up there for me. Man, you are like one of the greatest flies 251 00:19:59,839 --> 00:20:06,240 on wall in history. It's it's you know, that's a good place to 252 00:20:06,319 --> 00:20:10,400 be. It's when you're, when you're, when you're you know, I 253 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:14,599 love to observe life. I love to listen. I love to watch and 254 00:20:14,839 --> 00:20:18,319 see what's moving around me. And the idea to be able to do that 255 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:21,720 with these types of and you know, Sports Illustrated, Golf, Digest, 256 00:20:21,759 --> 00:20:26,799 Golf Channel has provided me those opportunities in life. And even going back to 257 00:20:26,799 --> 00:20:32,559 Saint Mary's College where the Warriors practiced their their their basketball which I got to 258 00:20:32,559 --> 00:20:34,759 meet Tim Hardaway and Chris Mullen and the Trell Spreewell and all those. You 259 00:20:34,759 --> 00:20:37,880 know, is that during the run TMC, right, Run TMC, Mitch 260 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:41,279 Richmond, that was you know, it was a cool time to be so 261 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:44,960 going way back and then even in you know, uh San Rose, California, 262 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:48,559 I grew up working at a golf course where Charles Schultz played. So 263 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:56,119 you know, I was always like enamored and impressed and and taught you know, 264 00:20:56,160 --> 00:21:00,240 you got to look look around, look look what's going on around you, 265 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:03,119 and don't be afraid to list. You know, as someone always told 266 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:04,680 me when I was growing up, you know, you got two years in 267 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:08,519 one mouth. Use the ears twice as much as he used the mouth right 268 00:21:08,599 --> 00:21:12,279 on, right on. I don't know if I'll do that, but I 269 00:21:12,319 --> 00:21:18,559 tried. Well, you know, as I've been doing this for years, 270 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:22,200 I like to look for stories too. I love to try to flush out 271 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:26,799 and find outrageous stories. And one of the most outrageous and and I've ever 272 00:21:26,839 --> 00:21:29,799 heard this one because it seemed like no one ever had. But there was 273 00:21:29,839 --> 00:21:36,000 the kid who San Francisco base kid, you know, working liked playing golf 274 00:21:36,039 --> 00:21:40,160 and wanted to get out there someday and thought, God, I would love 275 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:42,880 to play in a national championship, but I'm not that good. He ends 276 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:51,480 up sneaking into North Korea and plays in the North Korean Open Championship and tells 277 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:55,319 this whole story about how he did it. I can't remember his name right 278 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:57,279 now, and I'll tell you after we're done here. But but it's an 279 00:21:57,319 --> 00:22:00,640 incredible story. When when we finish, I said, so, and when 280 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,200 you got home back to San Francisco, what did you do? You said, 281 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:07,240 I went back to work, And like, did you have you told 282 00:22:07,319 --> 00:22:10,400 anybody this story? He goes, I don't think so, Like, what 283 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:12,640 do you mean, No, I just went back to work. I didn't. 284 00:22:14,039 --> 00:22:17,279 I didn't, you know, tell anybody about it. That's me is 285 00:22:17,319 --> 00:22:22,200 a story that just like lab to go back to lab, that that story 286 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:30,160 ended up inspiring so many other questions that then lead more stories. See what 287 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:34,000 I'm saying, Like I could have just clipped off sam Han and ran that 288 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:41,960 podcast in three parts two hours and just taken sam Han's perspective. But to 289 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:44,039 me, once he told me Bill was still alive, I was like, 290 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:49,559 I got to hear Bill. Bill invents the revealer in his garage, which 291 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,920 then leads to him you know, I mean, this guy was homeless in 292 00:22:52,960 --> 00:23:00,039 two thousand. You know, he lost the mother of his daughter. You 293 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:04,440 know at some point as I was living out of his car selling putters out 294 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:10,160 of the trunk of his car, I'm going, what And then this leads 295 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,720 to Lucas Glover going back to back on the PGA tour. Like I'm like, 296 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:18,480 so I knew where I was going to end, which is Lucas Glover. 297 00:23:18,839 --> 00:23:21,480 I knew where I was going to begin, which was Bill po I 298 00:23:21,599 --> 00:23:25,440 do what the journey was? Everything else happened in between, all right, 299 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:26,960 And we're going to talk more about that because now I want to bring in 300 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,359 some of the names that you talk to and how they fit in the story. 301 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:40,400 But we're going to do that after this. Did you ever think that 302 00:23:41,759 --> 00:23:47,240 this podcast series on lab Golf was going to be a book, because like, 303 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:51,319 like Malcolm Gladwell will write a book, but he got all enamored with 304 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:56,400 podcasting and turned his books into audio books to you know, podcasts, and 305 00:23:56,440 --> 00:24:03,079 it's it's really brilliant. And this series is now eight parts and sounds like 306 00:24:03,079 --> 00:24:07,720 there's going to be more. It plays like it's an audio book the way 307 00:24:07,799 --> 00:24:11,119 you have the stories going in and out of one another and the people all 308 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:15,640 speaking, but you get to live with it because you're hearing their voices. 309 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:19,319 I love it so much. It's it's it's a audio book, is what 310 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:25,759 it is. It's amazing. I Well, thank you first of all for 311 00:24:25,839 --> 00:24:30,240 listening and doing this and for saying all that you're saying, I don't. 312 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:33,759 Look, I don't think of anything like I don't think of it like that 313 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:37,359 at all, Like in my mind. And we talked a little bit about 314 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:45,200 this offline, but my roots go back to radio. The romance of creating 315 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,599 an audio experience like it literally is emotional for me to even talk about, 316 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:56,160 honestly, because no, really it is. I mean I don't as a 317 00:24:56,279 --> 00:25:00,400 kid, and my parents have too, you know, I used to there 318 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:06,559 used to be these little mini recorders. My dad used to commute from San 319 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:10,200 Rose to San Francisco every morning. He rode the bus. This is these 320 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:14,440 are these are the nineteen seventies. Okay, late nineteen seventies. I'm no 321 00:25:14,519 --> 00:25:18,839 traffic then, eight years old, nine years old. He'd leave the house 322 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:23,279 at a time at like four thirty five in the morning, and he'd get 323 00:25:23,319 --> 00:25:27,240 home at eight o'clock at night. That's all. That's all you know by 324 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:33,119 bus Fred this is a man who and he set up his family in San 325 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:37,319 Rose because that's where he could afford a bigger house because he had five kids. 326 00:25:37,319 --> 00:25:41,839 I'm youngest of five kids, and I I used I was a pottery 327 00:25:41,839 --> 00:25:45,920 fan. He was a Giants fan, and I would create fake games, 328 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:52,880 make up games on a recording, put him by my bedside at night, 329 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:57,480 and he'd take those in the morning and listen to him on the bus when 330 00:25:57,519 --> 00:26:02,519 he was going to and from work. And I would create the Podreys would 331 00:26:02,519 --> 00:26:06,359 win one game, the Giants would win gut. I created like an ongoing 332 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:10,240 series, and sometimes I'd love Podreys won most of the games, but he 333 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:15,000 would take those and listen to those. As a kid, my dream job 334 00:26:15,079 --> 00:26:18,559 was to be the Podreys radio announcer. So going back to you know, 335 00:26:18,599 --> 00:26:22,200 play by play announcer, So going back to you know, Jerry Coleman obviously 336 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:23,599 was famous. I thought, how am I going to get Garry Coleman's job, 337 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,720 you know? So now be Nagler, who was like one of the 338 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:30,319 best in the business. And I love that he's so good, but I 339 00:26:30,319 --> 00:26:32,720 hate that he's so good because it means I'll never get his job, you 340 00:26:32,799 --> 00:26:37,279 know what I mean. But uh, I love listening you know people. 341 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,039 Vince Scully again, like I said, he can't say that name enough. 342 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:45,000 A man who could do both aspects of play by play and color commentary. 343 00:26:45,559 --> 00:26:48,000 And you know, I think about Vinnie a lot, and this I'm sorry 344 00:26:48,039 --> 00:26:51,960 about this aside. I want to get to Kelly's later. I think about 345 00:26:52,039 --> 00:26:56,319 Vinnie a lot because the way they have sped up the baseball game, which 346 00:26:56,319 --> 00:26:59,759 I think is a beautiful thing. The only one who don't I think doesn't 347 00:26:59,839 --> 00:27:03,079 like are the announcers, right, because it's like they're storytellers. They want 348 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,759 to tell stories. They want the pace so they can tell. And Vinnie 349 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:11,759 was the master, the the you know, the professor of all that. 350 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:15,039 Would he be able to do it? Well? Yeah, of course yes 351 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,960 he did because games didn't used to take three now, you know. And 352 00:27:18,079 --> 00:27:22,119 he did it. He did it by himself. I mean he he did 353 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:30,079 these broadcasts by himself. He h He had that ability to weave a story 354 00:27:30,759 --> 00:27:37,480 in and out of the actual the actual broadcast, so you could man keep 355 00:27:37,519 --> 00:27:41,240 you touching form. So I mean, the guy who's capable of everything anything, 356 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:45,279 I mean, would you bet against Vin Scully being able to do anything? 357 00:27:45,319 --> 00:27:49,559 No, No, of course not. And I think I think his 358 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:53,319 art and and you know what, he never stopped doing. He never stopped 359 00:27:53,319 --> 00:27:59,480 reporting the details. The one thing that I don't think there's no shortcut to 360 00:28:00,279 --> 00:28:02,920 the reporting, you know what I'm saying. I think there's a lot of 361 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:07,359 people who cut corners, who don't go down on the These the announcers that 362 00:28:07,599 --> 00:28:10,519 they grew up with television, so they don't think they need to talk as 363 00:28:10,599 --> 00:28:14,440 much as the guys he did radio. Yeah, there's a lot of color 364 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:18,920 commentators who end up saying the same thing that the good play by play guy 365 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,519 said, just in a little different way. You know, they miss and 366 00:28:22,519 --> 00:28:27,759 they miss opportunities to weave in their own personal experiences, like an ex baseball 367 00:28:27,759 --> 00:28:37,160 player is there to bring X experiences and insight into the broadcast that the play 368 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:41,759 by play guy isn't doing. But if the color commentator is ends up saying 369 00:28:41,799 --> 00:28:45,799 what the play by play guys, then they're not doing their job and the 370 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,240 play by play. So that's why Vin Scully was genie. He told you 371 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:52,400 about what's happening in the game, and he told you the extra layers of 372 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:56,400 the stories of the players who played the game. You know what I'm saying, 373 00:28:56,799 --> 00:29:00,359 yep and I and I. Now, if you're a fan of Vin 374 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:06,519 Scully, you probably are disappointed with most broadcast teams because you're like, Pully 375 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:10,599 did better as one man than most people do as two people. Yes, 376 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:12,480 no question about it. All right. I want to get to Kelly Slater 377 00:29:12,599 --> 00:29:18,200 because you talk about Kelly Slater and his competitiveness, but this is not a 378 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:22,839 golfer. That's he's not known as a golfer, right, but he seems 379 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:30,359 to be influential on the highest level of golf. Well, he's you could 380 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:37,160 argue, Kelly Slater is the greatest living athlete. You know, Michael Jordan 381 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:42,720 six NBA championships, you know, Tiger Woods fifteen major championships, Jack Nicholas 382 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:48,079 eighteen major championships. You got Wayne Gretzky, who you know owns most every 383 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:56,400 you know record that matters in the world of hockey. And but Kelly Slater 384 00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:02,960 has eleven World championships in surfing. That that's you know that. I think 385 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,200 the next best has five or something, you know, like I and that 386 00:30:06,359 --> 00:30:08,240 and that guy did it in the eighties. I give the stats in the 387 00:30:08,319 --> 00:30:18,759 in the podcast. Kelly Slater is is is a is a machine at his 388 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:26,200 craft. He's easy, he's like, he's next level okay, and he's 389 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:30,279 so therefore he's an incredible athlete. And he's a scratch golfer. And there 390 00:30:30,279 --> 00:30:37,480 are golfers who love to surf and Adam Scott is one of them, and 391 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:41,039 so they've been on surf trips together. They're good friends, like they they 392 00:30:41,039 --> 00:30:45,400 are, They're friends. Okay, So that's why they're playing together at AT 393 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:49,119 and T. They play at AT and T. And Kelly Slater, you 394 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:55,119 know, is legitimately a scratch golfer, like he can he can flat out 395 00:30:55,160 --> 00:31:00,000 play golf clearly, and I spiritual, you know, and there's no waves. 396 00:31:00,039 --> 00:31:07,119 What do surfers do? They play golf in places like Hawaii, Wendy, 397 00:31:07,359 --> 00:31:10,200 Florida, Windy. You know they're going to play. You know, 398 00:31:10,319 --> 00:31:14,519 they're traveling the world and they play golf. Well. Slater is one of 399 00:31:14,559 --> 00:31:21,920 the best. And so when he when he finds a directed force and he 400 00:31:22,079 --> 00:31:26,000 starts making all these putts and Tommy Armer says to him, don't ever take 401 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,920 that thing out of your bag. And he develops a relationship with Sam hun 402 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:34,079 As. Slater says, he what are influencers, right? What are what? 403 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,799 What are social influence? People who use products that then say use what 404 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:42,319 I'm using and then that that influences us to do what they're doing. Right. 405 00:31:44,319 --> 00:31:49,079 Well, Kelly Slater influenced Adam Scott to try the technology and the putter 406 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:56,039 and eventually leads to Adam Scott putting in his bag and helps Adam Scott in 407 00:31:56,079 --> 00:31:59,759 the last five years. If you look at Adam Scott's putting stats before lab 408 00:31:59,759 --> 00:32:07,160 Golf and now after lab Golf, it's night and day. So the proof 409 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:12,039 is actually in the pudding, like this is not I'm not I'm not trying 410 00:32:12,079 --> 00:32:15,440 to say I don't whether you buy a lab or don't buy. I'm just 411 00:32:15,599 --> 00:32:21,079 telling you this is a hell of a story of how one thing leads to 412 00:32:21,119 --> 00:32:22,920 another, which leads to another, which leads to another, which leads to 413 00:32:23,039 --> 00:32:30,559 Lucas Glover going from push putting and a horrific case of the yips to winning 414 00:32:30,599 --> 00:32:39,319 back to back PGA tourments. In these nineteen years that I've been doing this, 415 00:32:39,519 --> 00:32:45,400 I've had lots of small manufacturers on and I always know that it's like, 416 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:49,359 you know, it's a shame. But unless this gets seen on tour, 417 00:32:49,799 --> 00:32:52,640 unless this has some success on tour, it's not going to translate very 418 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:59,039 well to the public. And there's been a couple of companies that don't. 419 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,880 This has be ten, this has potential, but there's been nothing like lab 420 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:07,359 Golf. And again it's the magic of Sam Hun It's it's the personality, 421 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:14,400 the captivation of his passion that that brings that out. But again, the 422 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,200 proof is in the pudding, starting with the revealer, that shows all this 423 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:24,039 nonsense about toe balanced, heel balanced, face balanced, whatever, it's all 424 00:33:24,079 --> 00:33:32,000 malarkey, it's all bull it's marketing, it's marketing. There's probably a toe 425 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:38,000 hang putter actually hangs with the toe facing, you know, towards the ground, 426 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:45,200 and a face balanced putter actually you know, hangs with the face facing 427 00:33:45,359 --> 00:33:50,880 up to the air. So you know, but what how does that translate 428 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:54,720 into something in which you are creating this torque as you're going back and forth 429 00:33:55,359 --> 00:34:00,960 and you know, you know what I'm saying like that. So it takes 430 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:07,239 Bill Pressey to kind of like part the clouds of the marketing mumbo jumbo. 431 00:34:08,039 --> 00:34:15,199 But then it takes Sam's marketing of lab to try to get it up and 432 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:21,880 out there and articulate it in a way. Because Bill would be the first 433 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:28,280 one to admit, like he saw through the bullshitty of the marketing of the 434 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:32,599 OEMs, but the company was going to go out of business if Sam doesn't 435 00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:37,559 come in and try to help it in a way. That then articulates in 436 00:34:37,599 --> 00:34:40,599 a way that people can understand and are willing to use. Right, Bill 437 00:34:40,679 --> 00:34:44,599 had a skill set, but it wasn't being a businessman. No. And 438 00:34:45,199 --> 00:34:47,679 by the way, he's doing a lot of different things. He's juggling you 439 00:34:47,679 --> 00:34:52,480 know, life, you know. And so as someone who is now going 440 00:34:52,559 --> 00:34:57,119 on to start my own business, it's like there are strengths and weaknesses of 441 00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:04,559 people. You know, as a as a business owner and operator, your 442 00:35:04,679 --> 00:35:07,719 key is to surrounding yourself with the people who are better at the things that 443 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:12,400 you're not good at. Right, if you can't get that done in a 444 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:16,480 way and timely fashion, then you're gonna go out of business. Bill. 445 00:35:16,639 --> 00:35:21,840 You know, Sam needed Bill, but Bill needed Sam. And Sam has 446 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:28,000 needed a lot of people in his in his universe and his ecosystem to try 447 00:35:28,039 --> 00:35:31,199 to make this work, you know, his own hustle. But then a 448 00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:36,519 lot of buy in from people that work with him, and there are others. 449 00:35:36,559 --> 00:35:42,559 So you talk about other episodes still coming. There is there's one episode 450 00:35:42,559 --> 00:35:45,519 in particular. The story is done. The story has been told on lab 451 00:35:45,559 --> 00:35:50,000 Golf. That's eight episodes. There is more stuff in there that I want 452 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:54,039 to that I want to share with the audience who was willing to learn or 453 00:35:54,079 --> 00:36:00,920 what Well, if you listen, Sam talks about how Brett Rumford, this 454 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:07,480 short game guru in Australia who's like widely respected and considered one of the best 455 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:12,760 at what he does from a short game standpoint, and understands technology in ways 456 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:16,920 that probably Bill Pressey does. Brett Rumford was the one who came to Sam 457 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:21,519 and said, I get it now, I understand what you have to do 458 00:36:21,559 --> 00:36:25,119 with a lab golf putter. You've got to let go of control to gain 459 00:36:25,159 --> 00:36:30,599 control. You've got to get out of the way of the technology. You've 460 00:36:30,599 --> 00:36:37,239 got to stop your instinct to manipulate and create torque with the putter in order 461 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:43,719 to actually reap the benefits of this technology. Let go of control to gain 462 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:45,960 control. And I was like, wow, that's crazy. Sam tells me 463 00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:52,159 that every single person I interviewed, and there's eighteen people interviewed, I asked, 464 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,960 what does it mean to you to hear let go of control to gain 465 00:36:55,000 --> 00:37:01,039 control? So I am going to do one a additional episode in which you're 466 00:37:01,039 --> 00:37:07,039 going to hear every single person I interviewed give their perspective on let go of 467 00:37:07,079 --> 00:37:13,400 control to gain control, as it relates to putting Life lab golf. Everybody 468 00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,679 has their own, you know, Kelly Slater's perspective on that is different than 469 00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:20,920 Brett Rumford's, which is different than Bill Precy's, which is different than you 470 00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,079 know, Von Taylor's, which is different than Tim Wilkinson's, which is different 471 00:37:23,159 --> 00:37:28,519 than you know, all of these different people I interviewed. And so that's 472 00:37:28,639 --> 00:37:31,119 that's going to be a bonus episode number nine and number ten is to give 473 00:37:31,159 --> 00:37:35,400 a chance to Sam to come back on. It might be twenty minutes, 474 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,039 it might be four minutes to say, oh it's Sam. It'll be an 475 00:37:37,039 --> 00:37:43,079 hour and I'll just say Sam, what what? What did I get right? 476 00:37:43,119 --> 00:37:45,599 What did I get wrong? Who needs special call outs? Who do 477 00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:49,719 I miss? I was going to do that, Okay, you get to 478 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:53,679 do so Sam, we need to talk about the fire pit. Yeah, 479 00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:55,760 well, no, I want to. I just want to. I want 480 00:37:55,760 --> 00:38:00,440 to hear. I mean, I interviewed him in August of twenty twenty three. 481 00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:04,440 This is April of twenty twenty four. I want to know, you 482 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:08,719 know, as he's listened, going back to his own story, and I 483 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:13,400 probably will have Bill on. I probably will do one more with Sam and 484 00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,280 Bill to say, what are your thoughts reflections? You know, Bill says 485 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:20,880 he's getting noticed now at PJA superstores and saying, oh my god, you're 486 00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:24,079 the guy, you know, because he's always he's always been way behind behind, 487 00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:28,400 behind the scenes, and the guy who was in his garage and don't 488 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,480 look behind the curtain. Yeah right, well, I you know, for 489 00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:35,599 for the last I'm hoping that this is going to be the summer that I 490 00:38:35,639 --> 00:38:37,960 can do this. I've been trying to do it for a couple of years, 491 00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,599 but I've been wanting to make take from northern California and take a road 492 00:38:40,639 --> 00:38:45,880 trip up to Eugene to go see Sam and see his factory and see the 493 00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:50,159 place. So I'm hoping I get to do that this year. But your 494 00:38:50,199 --> 00:38:52,440 thinking about let go of control. I'm going to pick up on that. 495 00:38:52,599 --> 00:38:57,119 But we're going to take one last break. Maybe you know, we both 496 00:38:57,119 --> 00:39:00,400 have hard stops here, but we're gonna do that. We'll back after this. 497 00:39:06,639 --> 00:39:09,400 So there's a couple of running themes that it's going on through the entire 498 00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:15,079 series. And again, to my podcast audience, please, if you've been 499 00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:21,360 intrigued by Sam Han and the conversations I've had with him, I know that 500 00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:25,440 many people in the audience have picked up a Lab Golf cutter since being introduced 501 00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:30,719 to Sam. But you've got to listen. Again, I don't promote other 502 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:37,159 podcasts, but you've got to listen to Fire Pit Collective and this long series 503 00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:42,519 on Sam Han and lab Golf and one of the things let go of control 504 00:39:42,559 --> 00:39:46,840 to gain control. Another theme that you have running through it, especially late, 505 00:39:47,039 --> 00:39:52,639 that I just was blown away by, was this isn't a golf story. 506 00:39:52,679 --> 00:39:55,599 This is a sports story. And that's about Lucas Glover, right, 507 00:39:57,599 --> 00:40:02,239 yeah, because I think I think there's a winner on the PGA Tour every 508 00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:07,800 week, right, There's there's someone who breaks through and wins and and and 509 00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:13,119 they sometimes they're better stories than others. Sometimes it's you know, it's someone 510 00:40:13,159 --> 00:40:17,000 who has won several times. Sometimes it's someone who broke through and got a 511 00:40:17,039 --> 00:40:22,239 Monday qualified and then got you know, there's a variety, and those stories 512 00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:25,079 are being you know, mitigated at this point because of the structure of men's 513 00:40:25,119 --> 00:40:31,079 professional golf, which is a whole nother story. But I think that when 514 00:40:31,119 --> 00:40:37,719 you take a Lucas Glover winning once at the Wyndham Championship was a really hell 515 00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:44,199 of a that was a great golf story. But when he came back and 516 00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,880 wanted to back to back when he won the first FedEx Cup playoff event, 517 00:40:49,639 --> 00:40:57,199 to me, it became a sports story. This this then becomes transcendent and 518 00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,360 that's what gets that's what then starts becoming on Sports Center. It's like this 519 00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:08,119 guy went from again horrific case of the yips playing out in a public forum 520 00:41:08,199 --> 00:41:13,719 and all the stuff that he was dealing with, and everybody can relate to 521 00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:17,119 sort of just being ridiculed and down and being questioned and what are you doing? 522 00:41:17,159 --> 00:41:21,639 Why are you doing it? You know you're done, Hang it up, 523 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,440 get off my TV screen. Essentially, I mean, you know what 524 00:41:25,639 --> 00:41:34,280 Luca's Glover endured was was insane to going to winning not just one, but 525 00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:39,199 then following it up the next week. To me, became a sports story. 526 00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:47,440 And I think that's something any anybody who follows sports, it becomes it 527 00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:52,280 becomes even more than a sports story. To me, this becomes, as 528 00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,559 I talked to Lucas about a human story. It's a human story. His 529 00:41:55,679 --> 00:42:02,760 grandfather instilled a work ethic and a and that that family DNA in him, 530 00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:09,480 right like cultivated that the harmon brothers are involved at Carmen specifically. Then Lucas, 531 00:42:09,559 --> 00:42:14,760 you know, was a baseball player. He's a good athlete. He 532 00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,440 comes from a family of athletes, and he started playing golf as Mac Barnhardt 533 00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:22,039 his agent and you know life friend coach said, you know, I knew 534 00:42:22,039 --> 00:42:24,599 this kid was different from the beginning. This guy, this is a guy 535 00:42:24,599 --> 00:42:29,760 who has with ten years of dealing with putting woes, has kept his PGA 536 00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:35,880 Tour card. That's what Sam was reiteratings like, he had the yips for 537 00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:40,000 ten years and kept his card. That's unheard of. Doesn't happen, doesn't 538 00:42:40,039 --> 00:42:45,840 happen. That's how gritty and grindy Lucas Glover is. And then let Sam 539 00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:52,119 has a great point in there there there was a level of acceptance for Lucas 540 00:42:52,199 --> 00:42:54,559 to be and Jason kuh By the way, we also get to hear the 541 00:42:54,599 --> 00:43:01,360 story of a Navy Seal sniper. I get chills saying that, right, 542 00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:05,639 this is a guy who that was My next question is like, how did 543 00:43:05,639 --> 00:43:09,199 a Navy seal end up in this story because and again I don't know when 544 00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:12,880 I make that first call to Sam, I have no idea where I'm going. 545 00:43:14,119 --> 00:43:17,039 But Sam leads to Bill, and Bill leads Bill leads to you know, 546 00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:21,719 we talked to Von Taylor and Kelly Slater and Adam Scott, and then 547 00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:25,400 I get to Lucas Glover and Mac Barnard goes lab golf and the putter is 548 00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:31,440 critical. But before we got to the putter, we had to fix something 549 00:43:31,519 --> 00:43:36,760 bigger with Lucas and that was done through Jason Kuhn. And I'm like, 550 00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,039 how do I get to Jason. I needed to. I couldn't even start 551 00:43:39,079 --> 00:43:44,480 the series unless I got this Navy seal who got in with Lucas and helped 552 00:43:44,519 --> 00:43:47,840 him train his mind. Because Jason Kuhn didn't even know what the YIPS was. 553 00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:57,239 He ended his very you know, legitimate college baseball career because of the 554 00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,920 YIPS. He didn't even know what it was. He just stopped being able 555 00:44:00,159 --> 00:44:02,480 throw. He's throwing the ball over the backstop and he's like, I don't 556 00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:07,199 even know what it is and leaves baseball and he goes into the military and 557 00:44:07,199 --> 00:44:12,360 he becomes a Navy Seal and he gets through all the training and becomes the 558 00:44:12,559 --> 00:44:15,480 you know, becomes a Navy Seal, and he says to himself, the 559 00:44:15,599 --> 00:44:22,159 YIPS can't be a byproduct of being mentally weak. If I'm mentally strong enough 560 00:44:22,199 --> 00:44:27,519 to become a Navy seal, therefore, this can't be a mental hurdle that 561 00:44:27,599 --> 00:44:30,719 needs to be solved. It's got to be something else let me dig down 562 00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:35,880 to. So he he backtracks from the idea that I'm not mentally weak, 563 00:44:36,679 --> 00:44:40,559 therefore this is not a mental issue. What is the yips? He does 564 00:44:40,559 --> 00:44:45,280 a deeper dive and figures it out and helps Tyler Matsik of the Atlanta Braves 565 00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:49,719 overcome the yips and go on to pitch and win a world series. And 566 00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,960 he's like, I'm onto something and he has created his own business, and 567 00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:57,480 I think he's forty for forty is what he says in the interview of helping 568 00:44:57,519 --> 00:45:00,480 people overcome something that idiotman know what it was called back when he was dealing 569 00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:07,880 with it, called the yips, And he helped Lucas Glover not only transform 570 00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:12,719 his mind, but then also try the lab putter mid season. And this 571 00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,480 is how this is what ends up becoming back to back with There's just so 572 00:45:15,639 --> 00:45:22,000 many This was one big, just long puzzle piece. And that's why it's 573 00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:25,079 a book. I mean, that's why it plays like a book, but 574 00:45:25,199 --> 00:45:29,440 see go On novel. We never really finished it. But like I don't 575 00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:31,880 think of it. I don't think is it a book or is it Like 576 00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:36,760 to me, it's just a story, and I prefer to tell my stories 577 00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:40,920 with an audio experience. Some people prefer to tell their stories as books, 578 00:45:42,159 --> 00:45:45,840 as novels, and then read those books as an audio experience. For me, 579 00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:51,039 you know, I'm my script. If you look at my script that 580 00:45:51,119 --> 00:45:55,719 I have of Lab Golf is sep. Eighteen thousand words long. But that's 581 00:45:55,800 --> 00:46:01,719 not including the actual quotes of the people. So if I if I translate, 582 00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:07,760 if I got the transcript of the whole series and turned it into a 583 00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:13,559 book, it would be a book. It would I could take that audio 584 00:46:13,559 --> 00:46:16,119 experience and turn a book. Some people turn books into audio experiences. But 585 00:46:16,159 --> 00:46:19,559 I don't even look at it like that. I just look at it as 586 00:46:19,679 --> 00:46:23,559 I prefer to tell this story in an audio form because going back to what 587 00:46:23,599 --> 00:46:29,400 we're talking about, my roots and what I love and the romance of a 588 00:46:29,519 --> 00:46:35,239 radio experience is where it's where I started. Yep, I know it well. 589 00:46:35,599 --> 00:46:38,280 A couple of weeks ago we had Jim waldron on. Jim is a 590 00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:43,920 regular been on probably more than any other golf instructor I've ever had on the 591 00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:49,599 show. And he's based out of Portland and he's a phenomenal coach. But 592 00:46:49,639 --> 00:46:52,920 he also refers to himself as the Yips Whisperer. I call him the Yoda 593 00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:58,440 of Yips. But I told him, I said, I've got a podcast 594 00:46:58,519 --> 00:47:02,119 episode you have to listen to, and I turned them on to your show, 595 00:47:02,559 --> 00:47:06,199 said this was I want you to listen to the whole series if you 596 00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:09,920 can, but listen to this specific episode because it's all about the Yips. 597 00:47:10,679 --> 00:47:15,159 And he was very excited about that and was at the Jason Kuhn episode. 598 00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:23,920 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think my wife and family are probably very 599 00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:29,119 tired of me talking about all of this, but you can talk to me, 600 00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:34,920 man, It's okay. You very often, no, I think, 601 00:47:35,159 --> 00:47:39,760 and my son I listened because what happens is I listen. We're driving back 602 00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:44,159 and forth to San Diego, or I've taken him to school, we get 603 00:47:44,159 --> 00:47:46,559 tim in the car. That's my time to listen to podcasts. Sometimes I'm 604 00:47:46,559 --> 00:47:52,280 listening to my own podcast before we hit send on the finished product, and 605 00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:57,599 my son has probably heard My six year old son has probably heard this podcast 606 00:47:58,039 --> 00:48:00,440 each episode at least two or three time. He also likes to sit on 607 00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:04,840 my lap and listen in. You know, I mean it's probably in his 608 00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,800 DNA, right, Like I don't know. We're all byproduct of you know, 609 00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:13,960 we're product of our environments. So he he he sings the song, 610 00:48:14,199 --> 00:48:17,800 the theme song. He's picking up on Lucas glove. He's thinking, he's 611 00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:22,119 hearing all these different things, and it's a really neat experience to actually be 612 00:48:22,199 --> 00:48:27,519 going through this with him. As you know, as we're rolling all these 613 00:48:27,519 --> 00:48:30,400 different episodes out, I hope he's picking up some of the life lessons that 614 00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:34,679 are learned from this, which is never give up. You know, as 615 00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:38,559 Lucas says, this is about his son Ate, his daughter eleven. He 616 00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:46,480 actually got to show them that never give up because anything and everything is possible 617 00:48:46,679 --> 00:48:51,679 by actually doing it himself instead of just saying it, right, he actually 618 00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:53,639 showed them. And if you hear the broadcast and then daddy, you won, 619 00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:58,239 Daddy, you won, you won, Daddy. You know, I 620 00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:00,199 mean that was making me. I was, you know, I cry when 621 00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:06,280 I listen to that. Yeah, And it's and it's just that simple, 622 00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:09,400 right, Lucas did it for himself to prove it to himself, but also 623 00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:14,599 to prove it to his own kids that what I say to you is not 624 00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:21,159 just talk, it's I walk the walk. Yeah, if if it helps 625 00:49:21,159 --> 00:49:25,559 it all. My older son, who's forty one now, when I was 626 00:49:27,119 --> 00:49:30,639 first starting with my fantasy play by play, and you know, he was 627 00:49:30,639 --> 00:49:32,920 a he was a little boy, and I was doing everything myself, all 628 00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:37,599 the design work, all the production everything, and he would stand over my 629 00:49:37,639 --> 00:49:39,920 shoulder and watch the design stuff, and he would make comments and he always 630 00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:44,760 had really brilliant insights to yeah, that's not gonna work. That's not gonna 631 00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,719 work. It translates to his work today. It's not what he does, 632 00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:52,639 but he still has a great eye and I and I attributed to spending that 633 00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:54,400 time with him. So your son, he's going to be good. It's 634 00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:58,800 gonna well. He's already an observer of life. My wife and I marvel 635 00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:04,480 at the way he he takes in what's moving around him. He's learning from 636 00:50:04,519 --> 00:50:07,039 a lot of older people in his life by virtue of our travels and our 637 00:50:07,079 --> 00:50:12,599 experiences and the people we move around with. He's got a lot of great, 638 00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:16,559 you know, mentors and people who have a vested interest in him as 639 00:50:16,599 --> 00:50:22,880 a human being, and so by virtue of that, we don't have to 640 00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:29,880 do as much, you know, coaching or or parenting because he's being raised 641 00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:36,159 by a village of really good human beings and we see him as a byproduct 642 00:50:36,199 --> 00:50:38,800 of all of that. And that's true for all of our kids. And 643 00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:43,079 it's magical time to six years old. That's pretty great. That's it. 644 00:50:43,199 --> 00:50:45,519 That's their sponges. So we got it. We got to watch our well, 645 00:50:45,679 --> 00:50:49,280 the attitude. He'll get the attitude. He'll get the attitude. Not 646 00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:52,719 yet. So I need to I need to go to one more place with 647 00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:57,199 you because and I you know, I thought we'd be able to talk about 648 00:50:57,239 --> 00:51:00,480 the show, but I didn't realize it this good. But we just announced 649 00:51:00,519 --> 00:51:06,079 recently that we're going to be doing a Golf Smarter adventure and we're going to 650 00:51:06,119 --> 00:51:12,559 Northern Ireland. And so I watched your video of Janella's Journeys about the best 651 00:51:12,559 --> 00:51:15,119 of Belfast on and off the course, and so I need to get a 652 00:51:15,119 --> 00:51:19,719 couple of hits because some of the courses that you went to we're playing and 653 00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:22,519 we're going to be doing this in July of this year with just me, 654 00:51:22,599 --> 00:51:27,599 and we had two foursomes. We're going to me and seven golf Smarter listeners. 655 00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:30,119 So Royal County Down, give me quick hits because I know you got 656 00:51:30,119 --> 00:51:34,159 to go soon. Some quick hits about what we need to know about these 657 00:51:34,199 --> 00:51:37,119 courses we're playing. Royal County Down. Well, Royal County Down is top 658 00:51:37,159 --> 00:51:40,199 of the top of the mountain. That's you know, at the base of 659 00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:46,440 the Mountains of Morn you're looking at one of one of the best. It's 660 00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:50,880 in the conversation for being one of the best golf courses in the world. 661 00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:55,280 So Royal County Down is top of the top. About thirty five minutes from 662 00:51:55,360 --> 00:52:00,360 Royal County Down is one of my favorite places on earth, which is our 663 00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:06,039 glass. So don't go to which we're also playing great So Paul Vron the 664 00:52:06,079 --> 00:52:13,559 pro there is just one of the kindest, most gracious human beings on earth. 665 00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:22,960 There there's I try to help people navigate, not just the golf course, 666 00:52:22,039 --> 00:52:25,239 right, you know, oh this is a good golf course. It's 667 00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:30,440 about the experience. To me, again going back to what we're talking about 668 00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:34,119 from podcasts. To me, all of it is an experience. Life is 669 00:52:34,159 --> 00:52:38,079 an experience, and we gravitate towards what feels good as an experience and not 670 00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:44,960 just a oh I love that part four or I birdied that hole. That's 671 00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:50,000 great. Those are little those are little highlights within the experience itself. But 672 00:52:51,039 --> 00:52:57,440 Royal County down our glass Port, rush Port, Stewart, you know Rush, 673 00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:04,159 some of these places, they're going to provide great experience. Ireland and 674 00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:08,400 I group Northern Ireland. There is you know there there is. There is 675 00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:14,719 a fundamental difference and a cultural difference between Northern Ireland and Ireland US as North 676 00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:21,039 American consumers. Only if you really go often and talk to a lot of 677 00:53:21,079 --> 00:53:24,159 people within town, would you really ever kind of know you're going to change 678 00:53:24,199 --> 00:53:30,599 currency. There's gonna be different flags up as you cross over borders, different 679 00:53:30,679 --> 00:53:35,599 driver you know, license plates on the cars. But it's not really something 680 00:53:35,639 --> 00:53:39,480 that's going to actually impact your experience. So to speak to me, the 681 00:53:39,519 --> 00:53:47,320 Irish still at their core, are incredibly warm, hospitable human beings and they 682 00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:51,639 are very proud and they want to make sure that you have a great experience. 683 00:53:52,599 --> 00:53:58,360 So those courses, you know, Castle Rock well another one that we're 684 00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:01,559 playing that you covered in the video. I was like, oh my god, 685 00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:06,199 it's a Parkland course. Look at all those trees was Royal Belfast. 686 00:54:06,599 --> 00:54:09,239 Royal Belfast, so a whole different type of experience that we're going to have 687 00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:14,239 a Royal Belfast shocked to see that shot. Yeah, So, I mean, 688 00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:16,880 you know, and and I you know, the Irish will point out 689 00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:22,079 to you that they're you know, there's a small percentage of golf courses that 690 00:54:22,119 --> 00:54:24,400 are actually links courses. There is a lot of parkland courses in Irish. 691 00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:31,119 We as North American consumers used to parkland golf and have to you know, 692 00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:36,320 kind of go to the places like Bandon Dunes, Banded Dunes, links golf, 693 00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:39,880 true links golf. There it's a little more prominent than here. They 694 00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:45,880 have more they have they have developed more land there as links golf than we 695 00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:51,599 have here. So we gravitate towards those links experiences because it's so much more 696 00:54:52,119 --> 00:54:57,239 unique to us. To them they're playing, they're playing. Most of them 697 00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:02,159 actually tend to play part. Most consumers in Ireland will tend to play parkland 698 00:55:02,159 --> 00:55:07,280 because it's less expensive and it's more, you know, more prominent, and 699 00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:10,599 it's more you know, more their their home club, so to speak. 700 00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:16,639 Mm hmm. Well, so it sounds like we're on a good, a 701 00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:23,639 good set of courses to be playing on this trip. You are I that 702 00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:28,800 you five different courses. We're also playing Royal Belfast. Okay, So so 703 00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:34,559 your exact itinerary is our Glass, Royal Belfast, Royal County Down Royal. 704 00:55:35,639 --> 00:55:42,519 Yeah, Port Rush and Port Rush right and Port Stewart not Stuart. Hard 705 00:55:42,519 --> 00:55:45,960 to imagine you'd play Port Rush without playing Port Stewart. See if there's any 706 00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:50,199 way you can at least play the front nine at Port Stewart. So in 707 00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:55,000 that in that show Janella's Journeys to Belfast, I got to play with Des 708 00:55:55,079 --> 00:56:01,239 Giffen, who is the former right of you know, and has spent time 709 00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:07,639 with Ricky Elliott who's brooks Kepka his caddy, and Graham McDowell. Uh, 710 00:56:07,679 --> 00:56:14,199 And he essentially, for a couple of pints of beer, designed that front 711 00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:16,639 nine at Port Stewart. And it's a couple of miles away from Port Rush. 712 00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:21,880 You're gonna want to go to the Harbor Bar meet Crazy Willie in between 713 00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:25,559 Port Rush and Port Stewart. And there's a great little restaurant behind that bar. 714 00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:29,960 You can have a good meal there. You're going to want while you're 715 00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:34,679 near Ardglass you're going to want to see Saint Patrick's grave. You know, 716 00:56:35,039 --> 00:56:38,679 this is the patron saint of Ireland. He's buried there at a at a 717 00:56:38,679 --> 00:56:45,199 at a church right around the corner from Ardglass And you know, you know, 718 00:56:45,599 --> 00:56:49,920 I don't care what kind of religion that's that's a pretty significant moment in 719 00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:53,440 the history of life. And Saint Patrick's days is celebrated all over the world. 720 00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:58,920 That guy is buried right there, So that's a that's an incredible experience. 721 00:56:59,639 --> 00:57:01,719 You know, Game of Thrones has been shot in and all around. 722 00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:07,400 If go to go to Titanic Belfast, go take two hours, do the 723 00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:13,440 tour of Titanic Belfast and you want to be moved, talk about it's an 724 00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:17,559 audio and visual experience and go through what what is you know, widely considered 725 00:57:17,559 --> 00:57:22,920 one of the greatest tourist attractions in the world. Titanic Belfast. Thank me 726 00:57:23,039 --> 00:57:27,960 later. Make time for it. If you have a rainy day and you 727 00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:30,280 you don't you don't want to go out on the golf, go to Titanic 728 00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:35,280 Belfast. You'll think we'll do we'll do well. Listen, clearly we're cut 729 00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:39,559 from a lot of the same cloth in many ways, and one of them 730 00:57:39,679 --> 00:57:44,159 is that we prefer to ask the questions then to be asked. And you 731 00:57:44,159 --> 00:57:47,000 are a little anxious about being a guest on a podcast, but well done, 732 00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:51,480 my friend, you did an incredible job. I really enjoyed having you 733 00:57:51,519 --> 00:57:54,199 on the show. Well thanks for having me as an honor, honestly, 734 00:57:54,320 --> 00:58:00,039 and I know, I know, I know of you, and Sam told 735 00:58:00,039 --> 00:58:05,159 me great things and obviously you're you're great at what you do. This is 736 00:58:05,679 --> 00:58:09,079 a very neat opportunity to just talk about the audio experience in general, but 737 00:58:09,159 --> 00:58:17,440 also this podcast that I really enjoyed putting together. It is not just a 738 00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:23,239 story. It's several very good stories that happened to be a part of what 739 00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:28,000 is LAB Golf's story. But it's also the Lucas Glover and it's you know, 740 00:58:28,119 --> 00:58:30,639 Jason Kuhn, and it's Vaun Taylor who kept his card because of Lab. 741 00:58:30,679 --> 00:58:34,559 And it's Kelly Slater who still puts with a directive force, and it's 742 00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:37,400 you know, it's all these different little nooks and crannies, and I appreciate 743 00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:44,079 you giving me the oppte to talk about it. And by the way, 744 00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:50,679 if you've never heard the episode that Matt and I had discussed about the young 745 00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:54,840 man who played in the North Korean Open Championship that was published in September of 746 00:58:54,880 --> 00:59:01,199 twenty sixteen as episode number five hundred and fifty eight, Call the nineteen handicapper 747 00:59:01,559 --> 00:59:07,920 that played in a country's Open and lived to tell about it. His name 748 00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:13,159 was Justin Kreibeck. And when people ask me what were your favorite episodes after 749 00:59:13,239 --> 00:59:17,679 doing over nine hundred, that one is definitely on my Mount Rushmore of golf 750 00:59:17,719 --> 00:59:24,400 smart conversations, and speaking of Mount Rushmore of guests, clearly Tony Manzoni is 751 00:59:24,559 --> 00:59:28,840 up on that pedestal, not just for me, but for you as well. 752 00:59:29,559 --> 00:59:32,199 Just this past week, I've received emails that said, I love this 753 00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:37,440 time of year with the Tony Manzoni replays, and another one read, every 754 00:59:37,519 --> 00:59:42,599 time I listened to Tony's single pivot method, it gets a little clearer. 755 00:59:43,199 --> 00:59:46,639 And just this morning I received an email from Sweden. It included I wanted 756 00:59:46,679 --> 00:59:52,800 to extend my gratitude for providing such insightful content on Tony Manzoni and his Lost 757 00:59:52,840 --> 01:00:00,039 Fundamental. Being published this Friday will be our fifth installment of twenty twenty four 758 01:00:00,159 --> 01:00:06,280 Spring into Golf season with Tony Manzoni and the second in a row that we've 759 01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:09,159 never repeated before. Here's a taste. And I'm not going to say that 760 01:00:09,199 --> 01:00:13,599 every player that plays for me plays off the left side, but a lot 761 01:00:13,679 --> 01:00:15,199 of them have changed to it, and when I explain it to them, 762 01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:21,079 they realize that mathematically, if it makes sense, it's not very It's just 763 01:00:21,159 --> 01:00:22,880 that. Look, if we got to get to the left side, and 764 01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:24,440 when we hit the golf ball, the farther we get to the right, 765 01:00:24,679 --> 01:00:28,719 the harder is to get to the left. There's a whole bunch of things 766 01:00:28,719 --> 01:00:32,000 happening on that downsling that you've got a time and we want to eliminate timing 767 01:00:32,039 --> 01:00:36,440 as much as we can in the golfling. And so if we can rotate 768 01:00:36,519 --> 01:00:39,639 on a axis instead of two but one, if we can trap the club 769 01:00:39,639 --> 01:00:44,360 against our body via the connection of our arms to our body, then as 770 01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:49,639 we rotate the club fay stay square through impact and it's easy to do physically. 771 01:00:50,239 --> 01:00:52,559 So that's this Friday's episode of Golf Smarter, when we dip into our 772 01:00:52,639 --> 01:00:58,239 vault of helpful and entertaining conversations. If you'd like to receive a copy of 773 01:00:58,239 --> 01:01:02,719 Tony's video, that could be your payoff for becoming a Golf Smarter ambassador. 774 01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:07,559 Do just what Hugh Levinson of Danville, California did at the top of the 775 01:01:07,559 --> 01:01:12,800 show by telling us where he's from, where he plays, and what episode 776 01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:16,119 we're listening to. And when you do, you'll have a choice of gifts. 777 01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:21,679 So if you're interested, just write to me Golf Smarter Podcast at gmail 778 01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:24,880 dot com and I'll write back with some simple instructions of what to do and 779 01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:29,559 what to say. It's easy and it's a way to tell your buddies that 780 01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:34,800 you're on the Golf Smarter Podcast. Hey, I was on a podcast this 781 01:01:35,039 --> 01:01:39,559 week. They're like what anyway? Now, Hugh Levinson lives in Danville, 782 01:01:39,599 --> 01:01:43,760 California, which isn't that far from me, so I'm hoping to join him 783 01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:47,440 to play the Bridges golf course out in San Ramon. Actually, I've also 784 01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:53,079 played a course called the Bridges just outside of Saint Louis before. I wonder 785 01:01:53,199 --> 01:01:59,119 how many courses have that name, the Bridges. Hmm. Anyway, I'd 786 01:01:59,199 --> 01:02:02,360 like to play with with you too, and have always requested that if you're 787 01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:07,000 in or coming to the San Francisco Bay area and want to play together, 788 01:02:07,199 --> 01:02:12,079 I'd love to meet you. But why wait for you to come to me. 789 01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:15,800 Let's go play this July in Northern Ireland. We talked a lot about 790 01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:21,039 it already, Matt gave you some great insights to these courses, and we 791 01:02:21,239 --> 01:02:24,039 still have room for you to join us, and there's only room for two 792 01:02:24,159 --> 01:02:30,880 foursomes. So let's do this because we're going to have a great time again. 793 01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:34,840 The trip is July two through nine, second through the ninth of twenty 794 01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:39,599 twenty four for five rounds. That includes Royal County Downs, number one course 795 01:02:39,599 --> 01:02:45,239 in the world. Other courses include Royal Port, Rush, Arglass, Royal 796 01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:50,039 Belfast and bally Lyiffin. But the clock is ticking. You can get the 797 01:02:50,039 --> 01:02:55,719 full itinerary and pricing at TMI golf dot com slash golf Smarter. That's TMI 798 01:02:55,760 --> 01:03:00,800 golf dot com slash golf Smarter, and I'll leave a link in the show 799 01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:07,159 notes. So I've been saying this closing line for almost twenty years now, 800 01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:13,239 and just yesterday I received an email asking if I'm open to suggestions for guests. 801 01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:17,880 Yes, doing this show every week requires the greatest resources in the world, 802 01:03:19,559 --> 01:03:22,159 and that's you. So if you have any questions, comments, or 803 01:03:22,239 --> 01:03:28,360 suggestions for upcoming episodes, or need more information and want to discuss our royal 804 01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:32,760 adventure this July. Please write to Golf Smarter Podcast at gmail dot com or 805 01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:37,360 click on the Heyfred button when you visit golfsmarter dot com