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App Store or on Google Play. James a lot have written about Amarus Mims,
even going back to before the draft obviously and his limited experience of Georgia
as a boomer bust type player. But now that he's with the Cincinnati Bengals
and we're giving him our undivided attention, now that we know that he's a
player we're going to be covering for at least four, probably at least five
years with the Bengals. We talked about this with Mike Potts. Is he
really this boomer bust player? Where is that floor? Is the inexperience really
an issue that gives him that bust potential as some seem to think it does.
Yeah, I think a couple of things. One, every player has
super high risk when it comes to health. And the good news with Mims
is we're talking about an ankle and an ankle that he reaggravated. And it's
not like he didn't practice at Georgia for back to back seasons. It's not
like he missed a bunch of time in practice and was leaving practice all of
those things. He did all of that. So I don't really think health
is a big factor, even though you look at the eight starts and you
think that's why. And then the other element here when you're talking about a
six eight, three hundred and forty pound just freak athletes. Just does he
have the attitude, the right attitude, the right mindset to go be great?
And who knows, maybe he doesn't end up being great, but if
he has that mindset, given his physical gifts, assuming he can stay relatively
healthy, I think we quickly go from oh my god, his floor is
really low to at least in the mid range. And we've talked about this,
and that's why you mentioned it. We asked Mike Potts about that because
and if you missed it, make sure you check it out. The director
of Bengals college scouting obviously a big, huge factor in all ten of their
draft picks. So this is part of our conversation with Mike Potts. I
asked him about Amarus Mims, the high ceiling and does he have a low
floor. Yeah, I don't necessarily agree that he has a low floor.
Honestly when when watching his tape, because his tape's really really good. There
there's honestly not a whole lot that you can nitpick or poke holes in about
his tape. And yeah, he only started eight games, but he played
a lot more snaps than your average guy that only only started eight games.
He was in a rotation with some high end you know, draft picks there
that that came out last year in previous years on the offensive line in Georgia.
So he does have high quality tape. Obviously, you would like to
see it, you know, and more volume, uh you know, when
when you're just have more overall tape to evaluate on him. But it's not.
It's not a guy that's really inconsistent, and you just see the flashes
and the highs and the lows on his tape. I think he's pretty even
in his high level of production when you watch his tape, So I don't
necessarily think that he's a low floor, high ceiling prospect. We kind of
view him as a high floor high ceiling prospect. Big emphasis there on the
tape and the consistency on tape with a Marius Mims from Mike Potts and like
James said, full conversation including like ten minutes or so on A Mariusmims is
our most recent episode before this one, if you missed it. But that
is a consistent point of emphasis from everyone who's watched a Mariusmims College shape,
myself included. They're in past protection in particular and we talked with pots about
this is a consistent, in my opinion, refined player for a guy that
only played less than nine hundred snaps in college. And that's where all of
the risk, not all of the risk, most of the perceived risk I
think comes from. You go back to the bomb the Gag quotes with the
anonymous scouts pre draft, and one scout told him again that Mims may be
the biggest bust in the class because he's only started how many games? That
ain't very many, said the scout. That scares the f out of me,
And so there are some scouts that are worried about that inexperience. There
are scouts I'm sure that that look it is run blocking and Mike Santagata has
a piece on this over on your SI Bengals coverage page as well. James
talking about the run game growth required for a Marius Mens and in certain stuff,
but as a pass protector, which is generally the opposite of what you
would expect, a Marius Mens is a pretty refined player, and that's what
Potts is talking about. I think the tape and pass from particular is consistent,
and so do you buy the motivation stuff that Nick Saban's talking about that
the football, toughness, willingness to stay on the field. I don't know.
You've talked to him, James. You have an idea of who the
person is. You've got a first impression after having that one on one conversation.
What do you think. I think he's ready to work. I think
he feels like this is an ideal landing spot. And that's part of why
I've changed my team because I called him a risk before the draft, but
you hit on it here. From a pass blocking standpoint, he's he's there,
he's good enough now to play. And what are the Bengals? You
just got to admit what you are when that's what you are. They're a
past first team. I think it's a perfect landing spot. If he landed
in an offense that wanted to run the ball half the time or more than
half the time, and it was just a much different, not drop back
style offense, well then yeah, Like if he's in Tampa where you got
to run it fifty three times because it's Baker as your quarterback or Deshaun Watson,
Oh I'm gonna get and you got to run it because he's not the
guy he was eight years ago, but then yeah, it changes, or's
five years ago, whatever it is, I think it changes it. But
you have a arguably the best certainly an empty is the best quarterback in the
NFL and Joe Burrow, and so you want guys that can allow you to
go empty at times and you feel comfortable putting him on an island and all
of those things against these elite edge rushers in the AFC North especially, and
that's where I think a lot of the frustration for fans. You got to
win when in the AFC North you gotta play like no, hell no,
you don't. You got to get guys that can win on an island,
and I think he can do that. And so, like floor wise,
it feels like his floor long term is Trent Brown his floor. And that's
a hell of a floor to me. And that's not me knocking Trent Brown
because I'm excited to see him play right tackle this year just because of the
physical gifts that he has, assuming that the Nick Saban motivation questions arebs And
it does feel that way. Now, if I'm a Marius Mims and I
know I'm going to be a first round pick, am I has it tant
to get back out there with that ankle injury. Sure, but guess what,
he got back out there after six weeks after undergoing surgery. It's not
like he sat out the rest of the season and reaggravated it because he came
back a little soon. I think. I think that's in the initial cause
of that injury was he got landed on awkwardly from behind. It's not like
it was something that was he something he could control. It was just kind
of a freak thing. So no, I think his floor is a bit
higher when you take into consideration the offense will be in where he's playing this
destination where he doesn't have to go out there right away, may end up
playing by week four who knows, but doesn't have to go out there right
away until he's ready. I think it makes a ton of sense and fits
really well. And you talk about the AFC North fit and the things you
have to do to win in the AFC North, one of the things you
have to do in the AFC North to win football games is block DJ Watt,
block Miles Garrett. Block these freaky ed rushers that exist in the AFC
North who will challenge I'm sure a Marius Mens the first time they see them.
The Cleveland Browns are gonna bock Miles Garrett over to that side of the
field, even though he plays a lot of right defensive end in their defense.
They're gonna bring him over the right tackle. When a Marius Men's is
making his first start, they're going to test the kid. They're gonna see
how it goes. And Mens has the physical traits to be up to the
challenge. But not very many people can block those freaks in the AFC North.
There just happened to be a lot of really good edge rushers in the
AFC North. He also has a size in the strength and the athleticism when
he puts it together. If he puts it together, I should say,
to be a really good run blocker. It's not like that's a physical limitation.
It's just he needs to catch up. I think on the mental aspect
of the game, get more experience, get used to playing with the guys
he's going to be playing with, and get used to the scheme that he's
going to be a part of for a long time, most likely in Cincinnati.
So from that perspective, I think you have to discuss it as a
fit as well. Is there a risk? Of course there's risk. Is
there more risk than other prospects in the NFL draft? Maybe marginally because of
the inexperience, because there are some questions about his ability to stay on the
field long term because he's never had the opportunity between stacked play a stacked offensive
tackle depth chart in Georgia to the ankle injury. But it's possible that the
risk is a little bit overblown and we need to be scaling that discussion back
a little bit and then instead focus on the player, and we'll be able
to do that starting in rookie mini camp coming up later this a week.
We also have some undrafted free agents to talk about James. We'll get through
that list and whether any of them have a chance to make the team coming
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undrafted free agents. James. We've been waiting for this list to kind of
crystallize, and these signings are not official. They probably will be before rookie
Mini camp later this week Thursday Friday. Hard to say what day exactly these
guys will put pen to paper, or even which of these guys might be
camp tryouts. We're not exactly sure. I don't think about those yet.
A lot of times there are guys that are reported as signings and then they
later turn out to be tryouts. But I want to talk about these in
terms of their ability to make the roster or even practice squad in some cases
where the Bengals are pretty deep, and let's start with quarterback. Start with
a position that that's very clear as to whether or not they're going to make
the roster. Rocky Lombardi, one of the greatest quarterback names you could imagine,
is the Bengals college free agent signing at quarterback. Played his football at
Northern Illinois. He joins Logan Woodside as the practice squad candidates on the Bengals
roster behind Joe Burrow and Jake Browning. No real stop to make the roster
here, but man, when you're looking for a practice squad quarterback, is
he on the roster right now? I'm not so sure that the Bengals have
their practice squad quarterback for the year yet. But maybe it is just going
to be Logan Woodside, a guy who has spent time in Cincinnati before.
Maybe, or maybe it's going to be Rocky Lombardi, who, man looking
at this, has got a little athleticism to him. Runs a four to
seven. All right, all right, runs a four to seven according to
the Beast. And yeah, you never never say never. Now he's older.
He's older. Now he's Jake Jake Liskoz. He's pushing twenty six years
old, so he might be Logan Woodsides age. How old is Logan wood
Side. He was in the market ras so he's got to be thirty.
He's got to be thirty, right, Yeah, he's been around for a
while now, twenty nine, so there's like a three and a half year
gap. It's just funny with this, with the COVID stuff. But no,
to your point, these two will battle. They will have a quarterback
on the practice squad, and maybe it isn't one of these guys. Maybe
it is. I thought the Logan Woodside signing was weird. Not gonna lie
to you threw me off. Wasn't ready for it, and they did it.
It was buried with the extension for what's his name? Why am I
forgetting him? I don't even remember when it was announced exactly. I don't
think we covered Logan Woodside's return, so I'm not sure who it was because
I don't remember what we didn't. Yeah, the bank, are you serious?
Joe Burrow and Jake Browning? I forgot his name for a second.
Your contagious on their name. You don't know when they buried it with that,
that's when they signed it. So he's battling for a practice squad spot.
We'll see if he's if he's going to push for that. But not
shocked that the Bengals added a quarterback as an undrafted free agent. We knew
they probably weren't drafting one, though when they signed Logan Woodside. I think
that kind of directed them down that path. I think they could have still
drafted one, but they didn't, and that's okay. He'll have a chance,
not after Browning signed a two year deal, because if you drafted one,
Browning's under contract for next year too, so he's your backup for the
next two years. So I don't think that they were going to draft one
at that point, not necessarily because of Woodside, but because of Brown.
Yeah. I mean every now and then you see teams take those Day three
swings a quarterback. But I guess in that sense, you're correct that it's
not a huge surprise. He'll have a chance to make the practice squad.
I think it will be challenging. I'm not sure the practice squad quarterback is
on the roster right now. Like I said, these are very different styles
of quarterback than Jake Brownning and Joe Burrow. I think that's interesting and they
will round out the Bengals quarterback room for the foreseeable future. Let's talk running
backs. This is a spot where we thought they would use a draft pick
James. We thought they maybe could go a little bit more high profile with
some of the undrafted free agents out there. I in particular was watching the
Georgia running back Kendall Milton to see where he would land. He does not
land with the Bengals. I think he ends up in Philly. They instead
sign Noah Kane and Elijah Collins. Kane five eleven, two twenty listed from
LSU, a five year player transferred from Penn State. To LSU in twenty
twenty two and Elijah Collins listed six foot to twenty Michigan State for five years
in Oklahoma State most recently. Neither of these guys played a lot in their
most recent year. Both of them are a little bit bigger, and out
of all the positions on the roster, this is one where if they wanted
to keep a fourth running back and one of these guys really impressed them,
you could see one of them sticking for sure. This is a prime spot
when you paint the picture for an undrafted free agent to come in, impress
throughout rookie camp, throughout the offseason program, into training camp, and then
if you have a good preseason, you might look up and be on the
roster. This is the one area. Obviously, Punnter and we've mentioned him,
he's the one that we have mentioned. But outside of that, running
back is the most likely and I'm not saying it's likely, but it's never
likely when you're an undrafted free agent, and so Canaan Collins they have a
shot, and I agree with you. Dylan Johnson was another one, another
undrafted someone I thought the Bengals would consider round six, round seven because of
his production, his size, all of those things well hit the undrafted market,
and in that that's another guy where it's like, man, that would
have been nice to have because because it's easy to see the path for a
player like that who did produce at that level make the team in that running
back room. Yeah, and so we'll see if either of those guys are
impressed of players they along with Chris Evans vying for a potential third running back
spot. You could probably throw Travion Billions into that mix, but it seems
like there's a little bit more trust there with Travion Billiams. We'll talk more
about these roster battles. Of course, as training camp approaches at tight end,
they draft two guys and sign a college free agent. Anyway, Cam
Grandy Illinois State, I think probably the hardest path to the roster. What
of the hardest paths to the roster here unless there are a litany of injuries,
but he is currently sixth on the tight end depth chart behind the drafted
rookies. I think an uphill battle there, Yeah, but has to be
a practice squader, which if you're Cam Grandy, that's probably it because of
the depth tight end wise, you're like, all right, well, who
am I battling for a practice squad spot? The rest of the NFL?
Of course, but you want to show the Bengals that you deserve to stick.
And so if I'm him, I'm feeling pretty good about it because the
other five are probably making the team, so you might you might be able
to sneak you away on to the practice squad. And at I think six
' five two sixty if I'm seeing this right. I'm trying to check on
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has sixty three catches for six hundred and seventeen yards for Illinois State in his
most recent college year. Again, I think a little bit of an older
prospect, but a path of the practice squad for sure, I think no
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Go. More college free agents, James. Let's keep going with Eric Miller
most recently A Louisville also played four years or per Due, a very experienced
offensive tackle with questionable grading maybe a little bit light at three h five listed
at six seven, probably about six six, around three hundred pound. There's
a practice squad chance here. He's six seven and a half. You got
to get your beast out man, six seven and a half three eleven.
Yeah, that's great. I'm looking at another resource to find experience and where
they've played because a lot of these guys are transfers and older. But I'll
let you do the measurements. That's great. Good to know you've got the
beast available. The search function is beautiful. Oh yeah, it's perfect college
free agent offensive tackle. Almost certainly destined for the practice squad. He'll be
competing with the Devin Cochranes of the world for practice squad spots. But it's
not like they have a ton of tackle depth competing for practice squad spots on
this roster right now. So a pretty good chance for him to land there
if he shows up and works hard and does things the way they want him
to do things in camp. Yep, no doubt about it, and has
the height. Certainly fits the Cincinnati skyline nickname you're looking for. That could
add a few more pounds, I'm sure. Frank Pollack is already thinking about
that in this Bengals coaching staff, even though the sounding isn't official, But
no, it's the measurables. You could certainly say that. And you look
the arm length not super long or anything, and that's probably why he's in
that undrafted range. But still thirty three and five eighths is solid for an
offensive tackle. So you get to three, twenty three, twenty five,
and you know, you feel pretty good about Eric's chances of being a practice
squad And I'm not saying he'll get to that between now and camp, but
he might have a few you cheese cony a few three ways, it's easy
to get there. The practice squad for the offensive line right now is like
if you had to project it, Nate Gilliam into your offensive line. Jackson
Kirkland could stick around again, Devin Conchran could stick around again, and Eric
Miller and outside of that, they're former draft picks that are maybe Trey Hill
would go to the practice squad, maybe maybe Deontae Smith, but hard to
see many of those former draft picks landing on the practice squad. They might
end up just being released. Some of them might get claimed by Reclamation Project
kind of waiver claims, but some interesting battles there in the offensive line room
that we'll be watching in camp, and a wide receiver. One of the
more interesting college free agents is one more challenging paths to the roster where there
are five guys behind the six that you would assume are ahead and leading the
pack for roster spots. Cole Burgess from Sunny Cortland and Trey Moseley the Bengals
undrafted for free agents and wide receiver. Yeah, two guys that You're right,
it's a tough, tough shot. Cole Burgess is interesting, you just
measurable as why certainly looks at looks the part Sunny Cortland. So you're talking
really really small school. But man, I've seen some clips. Have you
seen clips of him on social I saw a few clips of him and I'm
like, oh, caught my eye a little bit, So got to do
a little more homework. But that's the one that I certainly have my eye
on because he's so under the radar. Give him where he went and and
great athletic testing, same school, by the way, his dam pitcher.
Maybe a little bit of Sunny Courtland connection there, giving him a chance.
I mean four four five, that's that's uh Jermaine Burton just to give you
an idea six foot tall one have the ras because no, I just have
his forty forty. It was a very high number. I've got it here.
It's loading. It was a nine and a lot of that is because
he was a little bit undersized. But the forty was good. The jumps
were ninety nine percentile jumps with a nearly forty two inch foot and eleven eleven
plus foot broad So some explosion in cole Burgess. Just under six foot at
one ninety two and twenty one reps on the bench press at one ninety two
six foot. That's that's pretty impressive as well. That is that is good.
Yeah, he's listed at six foot in the beast. Okay, so
just just a hair under with whatever measurables uh key has for for either way,
Maybe he grew between his you know, pro day whatever. You never
know. At early twenty year olds, they're out there growing, you know,
mid twenties, twenty year olds, Oh watch out, I'm gonna catch
a Marius Mensen height soon. Yeah, growth spurt early thirties. You didn't
know. Maybe you'll need a step stool instead of whatever you were standing out.
That's what it was. It was a stool, well you know,
the little step stool instead of the full full stool. You know. Yeah,
because I had to like bend down a little bit. But yeah,
a lot of people probably won't my one on one with the Marius Mims I
tweeted it out anyways, go ahead, Yeah, good context there. So
Cole Burgess I think the more interesting to me of the wide receivers trade mostly
did play at a D one school, finishing at Michigan State. Playing playing
five years of Michigan State, he had four teen hundred career receiving yards ten
career touchdowns in the Big Ten, so probably should be getting a little bit
more attention to is a guy who played at a big school. But a
bigger school certainly, but the athletic traits for Cole Burgess are interesting. On
the defensive side of the ball, James Justin Blazek on the defensive edge from
Wisconsin Platteville, another high end athlete that went under the radar to small school.
Another Wisconsin player on the defense, not Wisconsin Plattville, but Wisconsin Badgers
Muma Jung meta linebacker a bigger body linebacker, a guy that could be a
type of linebacker they don't really have on the team, and I actually think
there's a decent chance for him there if he shows up and is really impressive
in a goal line package, for example, because he would be the bigger
body downhill thumper. And the Bengals a little bit undersized with their first four
guys at linebacker between Pratt Wilson, Davis Gaither, and Joe Bachi, so
I think there is a chance there Aaron Casey, the other undrafted free agent
linebacker. Any thoughts on these guys in the front seven before we get to
the DB's no, keep going. I do think that they have a shot,
though there's an opening because they didn't draft any so there's a shot.
And Justin Blazic, I think a very clear path of the practice squad a
guy that could develop, and I think from whatever calin correct me if I'm
wrong here did have a pretty impressive athletic profile for a smaller school guy.
And it's always interesting when you have that kind of athletic trait profile with an
undrafted free agent. In the defensive backfield, a bunch of guys that have
mixed experience between safety, between slot corner, between playing in the box and
PJ. Jewels and Michael Dowell Dowell from the University or Miami University up the
road from Cincinnati and PJ. Jewels Southern Illinois. Both guys have that Dax
Hill versatility and that Dijon Anthony versatility. Where they've played corner, they've played
in the slot, they've played some safety. Interesting that the Bengals continue to
add that type of player even as college free agents. Look at you,
you're saying Jules has a chance to beat out Dax Hill. Don't do that.
Don't do that now, I hear it. Oh, they got the
same style. No, I'm just kidding. All right, I'm just kidding.
It is. It is interesting, And what I think it is is
it's pretty simple. Let's take as many stabs at finding the next Nickel future
Nickel as we can. You know, whether it's de John Anthony, whether
it's one of these guys. Maybe it is Dax Hill. I think in
a perfect world, the Bengals are like, oh, Dax Hill can play
outside, and Dax is going to be an outside corner. I think in
their head that's the hope at least, and who knows. If let's say
he has a good camp and they feel good about him at outside corner,
do they extend Mike Kilton for a year. Would Mike Kilton want to do
that? I don't know, but I just throw that out there as well.
Yeah, I'm not sure if I'm missing anyone besides Lance Robinson here the
two lane corner, the outside corner that they signed as a college free agent
have four picks and five pass breakups. Most recently. He was a six
year player starting his career at Kansas State, finishing his career at Twulane.
An interesting outside corner prospect and a guy that, honestly, when they found
dj Ivy late last year, gave me some confidence in their ability to find
intriguing outside corner prospects late and as undrafted free agents. And so because of
that, and primarily because of that, interested in seeing him at camp as
well, no doubt, no doubt about it. I thought that they last
year they nailed it in round seven. Can they do it again? We'll
see. I will say this. We haven't mentioned Austin McNamara obviously, we
talked about him on an earlier pod, but he does have the best odds
just for those one. I'm sure people are like, oh my goodness,
best odds of any of these guys of winning the starting job because it's him
versus Brad Robbins. I think we'll on a later show discuss that battle a
little bit of preview it because it's as weird as it is. I know
it's punter as weird as it is. Though. That's a really big topic
I think, and one will be having to cover because there will be interest
there throughout the offseason and certainly in training camp. We're at the point where
there's punter thirst with Cincinnati Bengals fans. They're they're zick of seeing forty yard
punts and they would like, i think, to have a good puncher and
Austin McNamara, according to the punt runs the Punt analytics guys on Twitter,
would have been the number one punter in last year's class was the number two
punter for them this year. They said the top four punters of the class
this year would have been the top punter last year, and so that means
they'd like the top four punters this year, including McNamara, more than they
like Brad Robbins. Coming out of school. I think there's a real chance
there that will be an interesting battle. But you're right, maybe should have
started there as the most likely to make the team is Austin McNamara. Well,
I think that's a whole statement. We wanted that there were some shine
out all these other guys that haven't gotten a lot of attention. We'll get
to McNamara, we pro we will talk McNamara in the future and break that
battle down. There's two shows now for McNamara where he's been kind of the
last thing we talked about. For everyone who gets through the entire episode,
you've heard us talk about McNamara twice. For everyone who doesn't always make it
to this part of the show, we'll talk about it in greater depth on
a future show. Until then, that's going to do it for this episode
of the Lockdown Bengals podcast. Thanks for listening, Who day, and have
a good one.