Ready. I'm ready to talk about the Wolverine. That was a pretty good
huge Jackman. I'm not gonna lie. Did you hear that? I now
see I lost it, but that the wolver that was good. That was
good. I think it sounds good in your head. No, fuck off.
You said them with my Batman voice, and then when I do to
other people, they're like, oh, when we first met, you're like,
oh, you got a great Batman voice. And then you're like,
no, it's not that good. Now I do and other people are like,
oh, that's a good one. Yes, I'm trained to not give
you fucking comments. Yeah, so that's I know you think it's a great
hug Jackman. Boy, No, I can't do that. I compose my
friend. People just don't know. They just think. They're like, they
don't know any Differently, they don't do podcasts. That wasn't good. They
maybe seen Batman maybe once. The Wolverine. No, I've lost them.
Yeah, you lost them my headphones on movie. OK. So before we
get into this, can we just as a team map the logistics of all
these movies together? What do you mean you know a Wolverine? Are you
after? So you're okay, let's get in the podcast and then where you're
trying to find the timeline on it, right? Yeah, is this another
origin situation when your body lost his memory for the whole movie? You know?
Okay? I didn't think I knew he didn't lose his memory, but
you guys, I got my mind. I got confused. So this one,
to my understanding, takes place after the third movie. Yes, okay,
because there's a lot of gene stuff going on. Yeah, so why
did that confuse you, Kyle? No, I'm just I'm just getting it
clear now before I sound like, so everybody knows before we start this the
Wolverine. That's good. I think I'm good here. Okay, let's see
here. I don't know if I can stay like this for an hour,
but we'll find out. Do you think this is only gonna be an hour?
How long was that one? Two hours? Yeah? I don't know.
This one is a little more simpler though. It's pretty simple story.
Yeah, it's not really that. Yeah, and we'll get more subtitles than
the last one, I feel, and we're not meeting it. We meet
a bunch of new characters, but they're not like important. Yeah, exactly
forgetable there's so many like Asian names that they used to I wasn't speaking because
I didn't. One of them was like, oh, this is Hard from
past and furious, and that's all I got. It's just hard. I
don't know his actual character name here. Okay, let's read this Taylor thing
quickly. I actually promise you it's not to cover it simply. The radio
station I listen to Beatrayal, they do an annual money giveaway if you can
listen to three songs and figure, Oh my god, Taylor. I listen
to this every morning. Why is he actually I know the answer, and
he should be getting a hold of me. Each time someone guesses wrong,
the poll goes, the pool goes up by one hundred dollars. The pool
starts a hundred, but now the pool is up four thousand because no one
is guessing right. But I have been recording people's guessings and narrowed down one.
He's one of those psychos that just records everyone else and then why and
he just do it himself? You get the four thousand dollars himself. Why
does he have to? Because I'm just fucking master. No, because I'm
master. It's a weird relationship. I have a list of other songs that
are guaranteed not possibly the remaining two songs, but I need help to get
the last two, and i'd honestly split the money. No water on the
table. You're right, I've honestly this sum but it's probably Taylor fucking messaging
right now. Tell him to come grab his cop I'll do it right now.
A photo to this lips is that those Batman Robin lips rubber lips?
Have you watched that movie recently? Because I know, but I just that
specific scene. It's so memorable. I like that movie. It's pretty bad,
but I like it. When are we Whatever happened to our DC retro?
I kind of just forgot about it. I told you we do it
for when movies are coming out, because we just all got too busy.
That's why I don't want to do TV shows anymore. So then I have
a lot more free time because I'll take a lot. Yeah. Fuck,
Spider Man retro took a lot. He bounced the very last season. We
had literally just like six episodes left our recording it anymore. We can't do
it. I remember like listening like the return, It's like after three months.
Hello ladies and gentlemen, and welcome back to Travis reviews the X Men
series with guests aka x Man Retrospective. This is gonna be a wild one
already. Who I had a late night radio Oh yeah, your voice call
in and I'll tell you about love and over four thousand dollars if you guess
this song. That's a song. There was three songs in that. We're
starting strong. Oh yeah, I'm joined by the Bland Cosmon, the Rubber
Lips, Kirk Pats because you're the guests, so uh no, if you
want real nicknames, go ahead. No, it's fine. I was just
gonna be the Samurai, Kyle. I was gonna be the Samurai Dame.
I'm gonna be the I was gonna be the silver Samurai. I'm gonna be
the grizzled man. You grizzle. I don't know if that was a great
nickname, Kirkman, it wasn't. I was trying to go with some weird
hunting name. But then I know, why don't you just go the hunter
because that's too simple, because that's the craven the I am. I am
the grizzled Hunter. You could have went like the predator. Don't want to
be known as the predator. This is good, different universe. Michael Jackson,
Kirk, pat MJ, MJ Kirk, Billy Jean to talk about predators.
So we are reviewing every X Men film from X Men to Day is
the Future Pass in honor of the X Men Fox films coming to an end.
Go ask Kyle about what the timeline is and you'll confuse him and ruin
his day. We are reviewing every movie we've never reviewed on the podcast.
So that's our son that Days of the Future past. So next week when
you're listening to this, unless you're on Patreon again that early, Thank you
very much. That will be last episode. But then after that we will
do a smaller ranking episode. We're all rank the films. We'll pick our
top ten characters, maybe seen something like that. We usually do that.
Then of a retro, just to do a wrap up. So we got
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get to two hundred. That would help us a lot. Let's get into
do you guys have anything to save? If we get into the Wolverine,
that was a good one, tell me how my Wolverrene voice. I don't
know that. You gotta think that moment when he's like fighting the dad Samurai
and he stabs him and he's like, well, don't ruin the movie like
that, and he's like, what are you Wolverine? And what movie are
you casting? On the Wolverine? Okay, it's my voice, also getting
quieter as it goes on. Wolverine comes to Chapin to meet an old friend
whose life he's saved years ago and gets him broad and a conspiracy involving you,
Cusa and Munes that has broad strokes. If I ever heard of plot,
that's it. We've had, like, we've had synopsis that the right
is that it is now as Thora says, all words are made up?
All right, we'll do that. Is it actually like plural synopsis? Just
go just to say synopsis synopsis. We've had synopsis that are soaked in detailed
I don't have to watch the movie and this one is not even telling me
anything about this movie, and I appreciate it. Yeah, I did what
you're talking about Japan to mean old friend. We don't know he has a
beard at the beginning. No, we don't m that beard though. So
the Wolverine this movie, uh you, is jacked. Hugh jack this prime
this in as fish Past. He is massive. He looks legitimly like a
comic book character. He doesn't even look real. He looks fantastic though,
just the shape he's in his muscles, like he has any excuse to have
a shirt off in this movie, and I'm glad he does because he's just
massive. I like this movie a lot. I got a T shirt of
it. If you can see right there is not great because it's for the
years, it's faded quite a bit. But uh yeah, I'm a big
fan of this movie. If you've been listening to Retrospective, like I say,
it's anytime here Jackman's on screen as Wolverine, it's a good time.
I think the movie is on its way to be a great, one of
the best X Men movies until the third act happens, and it's probably honestly
in superhero films. Maybe one of the last worst endings. Just everything that
transpires, it doesn't fit the whole. The entire film is this great,
slow, in depth like character study of Wolverine, and then it just becomes
like Comic Book one on one of fighting fucking metal robots and snaker roles and
I don't sign me up. It's still fine, it's whatever. I can
like this movie a lot more now that we have Logan, because to me,
the first half this movie feels like Logan. I was totally gonna mention
that, yeah, yeah, it's the same director, James Mangold. He
did walk the line. He's done a lot of other good films, but
it feels a lot like Logan, and then the other half just feels like
he had to get Comic Book You. I'm not sure if that was his
choice, and I think it was more the studio being like, hey,
can we get a bit more action and whatnot. So to me at that
time when it came out, I really liked it, but I was always
a little bit disappointed, like, oh, it was going so good and
it just never got to that because the previous looked phenomenal, like Logan.
I thought this is gonna be a great comic Woman just turned out being to
me a good one. Where now with Logan, like, oh, thank
goodness. But I was always a little disappointed in this movie when I liked
the beginning and that's the whole movie I thought we'd get and then it got
kind of weird, but we got Logan, So I'm happy. That's one
of, if not the best comic movie all time. So this now is
just good. I'm excited to about this because there's some weird stuff that happens
in this Yeah, and I Kyle can attest to this that I rocked this
haircut for like a year at best spy really yeah, yeah, you know
what. Right now for the video listeners, a pod of video of picture
will come up, and it was it was wild. It was no you
know what. I guess it didn't help that some people said they liked the
look. Now I go back and look at it, I don't think it
was a wise decision. So big shout out to Emily, who was that
was year like two of our relationship and she's still stuck with me. So
real Trooper. But Chobs though, No, I've tried, but I can't.
I think the problem was too. I was just I was not big
enough. So if ever do it again. But there's times where I've seen
pictures or I've thought about doing it, and I'm just like, no,
I can't not this age with a like like if it's like especially Halloween events.
Yeah, oh that's fine, I gotta pass. But I was rocking
this every day in my life the same way like his spike in the middle,
and it spiked up like that, I couldn't test. It was the
full Maulverreen hare and he did it. Yeah, and people liked it.
And I think the other people I didn't like it just didn't say anything.
But Kyle never say anything. Did you like it? I just ignore everything
he says about his hair, So okay, that's that's that's very safe.
One of my best friends, it talks about his hair all the time,
much as he talks about When I hear he starts talking about it, it
just goes over my head, like why I would listen to if you talk
about your guys' hair. No, I don't need to talk about some of
my hair. Talk about the wolverine. What are you I'll go, Yeah,
I'll go Colin's take place. I was just inhaling, you look like
you was just trying to stay alist. Oh no, So I kind of
like, how like simple this movie was. Is kind of just an easy
watch and like not complicated like the other X Men movies that we've had in
the past. So I thought it was a pretty good movie overall, and
kind of nice to be in a different setting and just something completely different from
everywhere else that we've seen before and not like the end of the world or
type of ending that we would usually get. So that's what's I like that
that's not a big bubble's gonna explode or something like that, yeah, or
like nukes and stuff. So no, that's what I enjoyed. It was
more about, I guess what we kind of alluded to you is more character
development on Wolverine and him kind of going through this transitional period. So I
quite enjoyed this movie. Yeah. No, that's a good point because compared
with like the other X Men's that we watch, and I feel like majority
of them are like, if they don't win, it's the end of the
world, right, whereas this one's like, if he doesn't win, he's
just he's dead basically, So that's the end of his story. But uh
no, I really enjoyed this. It just felt like a simple action movie.
I kind of because this is again similar to First Classes the second time
I've seen this movie, and uh, theme thank you Travis for pointing that
out. And I didn't realize maybe maybe because I've seen Logan and then watching
this again, I like kind of didn't realize that this one had those Logan
like vibes to it of just like that internal struggle, like he's been living
for so long and then he's just like haunted by the gene Jean Gray memories.
So I'll specify, like it's just just shut I know what you're going
you and you're smiling. I like at Kyle, he was just so unimpressed.
I'm just listening active listening to you. I appreciate it. So yeah,
that that was That was kind of interesting of like the internal conflict.
I feel like most of this movie is kind of internal conflict for Wolverine until
you get to that later act of it's not just he like he found a
reason to keep living. I suppose it's just like every day it's just hell
because he can't die, right, So, uh, it was kind of
interesting, like seeing that with the the logan knowledge that I have. So
I maybe the first time I watched it, I didn't really pick up on
that because I just thought it was just like a very simple action movie,
nothing like nothing game changing. But uh, overall, I really liked it.
I was pretty confused because there's a lot of subtitles, a lot of
Japanese, and I don't speak Japanese, and I did not have subtitles to
watch this, so I took the big l on that one. It's like,
God, what is it? Smash poetry or whatever? Theme slam poetry,
slam not smash poetry. That's our girls told me after like bed smash
poetry, smash po you were all right, I just cry theme. Yeah.
Her friends would pop up and watching the whole time theme. This is
my second time. Overall, I quite I just lost. Now just carry
on, I'm done with my over Overall, you liked it, I like
Japan, shout out to Japan. Yeah, it's pretty dope. I found
a reccurring theme with these X Men movies. There's a lot of flashbacks at
the begin of any X Men movie. I feel like, like, what's
the percentage of all the movies that we watched. I was just trying to
think, what was the flashback at the beginning of this movie Kushima Man,
Oh yeah, true, all right, Kyle Stanwig and until happened. So
we have X one flashback you got roguean U Magneedle. X two not flashback
because that was Nightcrawl. That was present day and I was wearing for it.
X three you got the gene flashback. X Men Origin is like a
whole flashback, but really that's not flashback because it starts with them as the
kids and moves forward, right, that's like a point and then First Class
was a flashback. So so far we're three out of five, so over
fifty percent. And now this so now we're what is that? We're four
out of six so the percentages just went way up. Yeah, what's that
go? It's sixty six point six repeating percent it's four to six and then
it's two so that's crazy. And days of future passed I can't remember.
But the whole thing is a flashback. Lots of these movies. You can
make the case all the last three movies are reviewed could be all flashbags.
Now, yeah, and I enjoyed it. Cool, Let's get into it.
Let's get into sayeah, we start off what are you the kirkla Unen
start because we start at the Hiroshima. What do you think about that sequence
I set up to him meeting I forget his name? That guy who's no
my story, who's that We're gonna butcher all these Japanese names we need?
Young Yashida, Young Yashida. You know, I really liked it. It
doesn't really explain like how he got there. Is that just because he was
in the war and he's in the war prisoner origins? Didn't you see it?
I glanced over it. No, I liked it. It shows like
the character of that shows that character of that character trying to say, chose
the character of Yashida about like he kind of knows she's hitting the fan and
he wants to instead of just letting these prisoners just like burn in their little
holes, like let let them having like a running, running chance, right,
So I appreciate that. And then it really just right at the beginning,
you just feel that this character is just good and wholehearted from the get
go. So I liked it. I liked how you saw Logan in there
with his bone claws just kind of like just kind of just kind of yeah,
totally O G Logan just watching now what's going on. I don't know.
It was like visually when the bombs dropped to it's it's pretty cool just
having roasted all in there just like sitting there. Oh stuff made up horror
movies. Yeah, that's pretty gruesome. But uh, overall I liked it.
I like how the soldiers are like suppucuing themselves. I don't know,
it's just it's a Japanese thing of honor, so shouts out to Japan.
I'm not getting show them up for that. No, I'm not gonna show
I didn't think it was cool. I thought it was very powerful imagery that
they provided, Like they showed us of this whole incident that was happening.
So again, like it was cool, it was damn it, it was
not cool. I was looking at you say it. I enjoyed how Wolverine
came and did help that guy out. I thought that was very interesting and
very powerful as well too. Of you know this guy like didn't trap you
and now you're trying to save him, so for the good of the people.
Man, this is not good. These guys are awful right now.
I thought the scene was pretty bland. You know, shouts I like the
scene. I only I have no I'm joking shout to the last CASTI did.
Uh, everything these guys said about the scene was right. My two
nippicks are one when he gets exploded, why does his hair grow back?
It's always bugged me to the exact length. I don't think that should be
her power. And the other thing that bugs me is this is a flashback.
I hate that is. I get what they're doing because he's in Japan,
but his hairstyles the identical hairstyle he does have in present day. I
wish they would have just even spiked it differently, not had it spike it
just had that same hairstyle for the because this that You'rshima's scene technically takes place
before Wolverine Organs right over origins he had locks exactly, so he has had
different air and the next three he had the fucking huge like wall like so
no, so I wish he just didn't even like they didn't even spike it,
just like like just sweaty the beard. That's fine, that like how
a beard, but like just that you can if you grow a beard and
you know, it's just a beard that's probably gonna look very similar the whole
time. Your hair, as we were talking about beforecast, it changes quite
a bit like my hair to test, it changes quite a bit. So
the fact that his hair and Hiroshima and then in twenty thirteen was the exact
same. Nah, I'm not buying it. The hair guy's not buying it.
I'll let it pass. That's such bull ship anyways. So and then
he wakes up violently. I love this stuff because this is in my trivia.
I might pull it up now. It's like an inception, right because
he wakes up while still dreaming, right or is he in a dream within
a dream? Well kind of. I don't care because he was twice he
does. Yeah, I was asking, is he's still dreaming? Yeah?
Yeah, he's getting cold. We don't know that. Yeah. Yeah,
I'm using this trivia right now because it's just going into my point according to
James McAvoy Mac, I mean, James Ian No, it was I honestly,
we're doing the Wolverine. This is a guest. You really need to
listen to the first Class and woveryone back to back because we already have a
lot of callbacks but according to the director James Mangle, I was not really
mangle boy. Come on, no, it goes mcmc fuck off. Actually,
you know it doesn't Mangle. The movie had started out as a prequel
to X Men, and I'd remember hearing this for the whole time while pre
production was going on, that the Wolverine was gonna be after Origins. That
happened. Remember in Origins won the end credit scenes as him drinking in Japan.
So they really said that that was gonna be a still prequel movie.
But he said he decided to make a segul to X Men last ten.
I wanted to tell the story without the burden of handing it off to film
that already exists, having to conform to it. The ideas that immortality rained
very heavily in the story, and that's burned. Immortality weighs heavily on Logan.
For me, it was such an interesting part of Logan's character that is
nearly nearly impossible to explore in a prequel, and I like that. I
think this movie. I remember when the first preview came out and it was
Gene in there. I think that was a great move because I think as
a prequel. This movie, it still works the way it works, but
nowhere near as good as like that. The two things there one him talking
about uh what immortality. It doesn't work in the prequel sense because he had
just got his memory, so it's like he's still pretty fresh in his life.
This is like he's killed Gene and yeah, okay, so X three
we did the review. Not a great movie. But if you just take
the ideas of you know, like screenwriting, the acting, stuff, like
the story, just take the ideas like what happened in the movie in this
world, him having to kill this woman he loved, big deal, and
he's obviously very shook up and depressed about it. He's seeing other people pass
away, he's dealing with just living and living and living. So I think
the fact that they made this a sequel instead of prequel was a like a
home run, because this movie's not perfect, but I think it made it
a lot better in all aspects. So that's why it's a transition to my
thoughts about Gene. We'll probably talk about her again, But I love all
the Gene stuff because to me, you get the sense of three genes going
on. You get like regular nice Gene you get dark Phoenix Gen, and
then you just get this version that Logan's made up in his head that was
never real, just like, oh you should come with me, Like like,
yeah, she was a little wishy washy, but she was ever gonna
leave Scott for him, you know, and stuff like that, and I
do love Like it's jumping to the very end, but that's where there's still
parts of real Gene. Because he says I love you, I'm always gonna
love you. She just looks back and walk away. She never is like,
oh I love you too. Like even though we talk about how much
shit they deal cyclops, they still work like on point with how Gene acted,
even though she's not the greatest character in the original movie. So all
the Gene stuff this, I think it worked out great. Even the beginning
of the film when he's saying he doesn't want to kill anymore, he's done
with that. He keeps having these dreams about like knives and Gene fantastic.
Really liked all the Gene stuff. So no, yeah, I agree one
hundred percent with what you said, especially like the point on uh the was
it the director's decision to make this a sequel? Yeah, it's the same
thing. He didn't want the first class effect like, oh, this didn't
match up and this didn't match yep, No, I one hundred percent like
agree, And I'm happy they need to made that decision because the gene stuff
was phenomenal. It was definitely like there was no gene stuff that I was
like getting a little too much with this or didn't really appreciate there. And
I like your point of they had the multiple genes too, like regular gene.
Yeah, the dark Phoenix jeans was kind of creepy. I was.
I definitely did not remember that from the first time I watched that. And
then like the Make Believe jeene that he kind of just fantasizes about, right,
Yeah, so yeah, I loved it. That's their little because especially
when he wakes up the first time. I haven't seen this movie so long,
I was like, what the hell, Like what time period are we
I was like Kyle trying to get my whiteboard out and do my do my
flow charts. But yeah, I know, it was great. And then
like he I believe he not like he stabs her, right, and then
she's like in the dream, yeah, well yeah, she just like looks
down his knives or yea and everything so and then it kind of hits you
and then he wakes up again. That's where I was getting on that exceptional
question. Yeah, so yeah, I love the gene stuff. Yeah,
I had nothing more to add. Think. I think you guys really hit
that home. So and there's just one I see because I know I might
forget. I love when he does sleep with the Oh god, what's macho?
I think, Yeah, he sleeps with that one girl, Marico,
Marico, that Mario, that's Marico when they sleep together, and then I
like that it is a romance, but it's not to me. You don't
get the set. She asks him to stay, but it feels just more
like they're getting it on and maybe she'd be down to it, like it
doesn't feel like this like big like love or something like that. So it's
like I've never had a wolverine before. Yeah. Yeah, And she asked
him to stay, but you can tell she's not like crying when he leaves.
She's like, hey, you should say no, Okay, well I
asked, but yeah, I try. We've all been there, but like,
yeah, exactly, he took the Hansulo try. But what was I
gonna say is uh that when she when they do sleep together, he's still
like fantasizing about Gene, like that's still a person he talks to. And
I just love that she just says like this cold line, just like you
just know. She's like, you know, this isn't gonna end well,
and they don't even like you know what it's implying because everyone around him dies.
But that's what I like it does. You could take her out of
the movie and the movie still works, but I think she just adds to
it. So yeah, I like all that stuff, and uh well yeah,
I don't know if you really could take her out though, because she's
such a major like factor in the internal conflict that he faces of uh yeah,
he has to like live forever, but also like he has to live
forever with the knowledge and feelings that he murdered the one he loves, right
yeah, So I don't know. I I think you took her fairly important
to that. I think I mean you could, like like Marico, you
couldn't take out because the whole plot crumbles, right, I think you could
take out all these dream sequences and the movie could work. But I don't
think nearly as no, it does yeah, And that's where I think Mangold,
who was a great director, off so he gave us Logan. I
think lesser directors wouldn't think about that. And I think that's just the type
of stuff that I like in these type of movies. The same thing in
Deadpool too. I like it better than the first one. I love all
those scenes he has with his his uh oh god, what's her name,
like Vanessa when she gets killed out, Like, I like taking those deep
dives into characters, especially if it's just about the Wolverine or Logan, that's
the time to do. I like slower, even The Dark Knight when they
do. I like slower movies that are character based. So, and that's
where I was gonna say, I could have watched whole hour of just the
Adventures of I could watch a whole movie of the Adventures of Hobo Logan.
I Love with you, like seriously, and that should be like its own
like series. Yeah, the first half an hour this movie is great.
His whole little back and forth with the bear, they're like tracking. Yeah,
and just that scene when those hunters kill him and he has to kill
the bear and it's sad, you don't even know this bear you've met,
you saw him one scene, but he has to kill the bear. But
that scene when he goes down the bar and just like, oh, you
guys just want attacked by grizzly. I like to buy you a drink and
he starts with a whole friendly and I just like escalates and escalates and he's
just such a badass in that scene and she's like, oh, sorry,
Jeanie. He gets his claws up and one line I'll say before I go,
he's like he has that that dart or whatever. He's like, ask
me where I found it? And then he's stabbed, Uh what is he
stabbed a glass in the guy's hand right? Oh no, he stabbed the
air right, and he's asked me where I found it? And he shoves
He's like ask me, and the guy goes, where did you find it?
And he goes, funny, you should ask. I love that he
is just so good, Like obviously he does not quit as much as like
a downy, but he just still has those down even at the point where
it's a terrible, terrible line, but he makes it work. At the
end. I'm to the very end when he kills Yoshida and he's like,
you asked me come say goodbye. Sorry, and he feels about the thing
that's such an awful, cheesy eighties sign, but he makes it work somehow,
you know, and he's just great. But this whole everything about this
the look, I love this part of the movie. Yeah, I feel
like if if, if this was his first movie is Wolverine. I don't
think he could pull off that Cyinara line. But because he's just grown as
the Wolverine, right, it's just yeah, it's great getting to watch all
these x ME movies because you get to see the development of Hugh Jackman.
It's just as sorry as that role and he's just so phenomenal, Like it
was one of the Trivia's Actually, uh, I know, I'm kind of
getting off check. Wow, he's still like ta gimmick. No, But
I believe it was on the one of the I think it was the first
movie. But you said, well, Hugh Jackman didn't feel like he was
the right thickness, tell what movie was? It was this movie? This
was when he said he finally felt like he got the physique down. Then
he kept it up for Day's Future Pass and he kind of did for a
Logan, but not the same extent because he's playing like an older beat down
but he's still in great shape and logan, so I have some notes about
how he got so balked after oh Man, But yeah, I one hundredercent
agree with you. Like that intro scene. I'm assuming he's in Canada.
I think he could be Mountain Town, going back to his hometown. Yeah
yeah, and uh yeah, just living in the cave. And then I
was kind of confused at first when he pulls out the arrow because he kind
of like sniffs it, and then obviously later on you find out the poison.
And then it's so great when he stabs that guy and then he's like,
I thought poison tips were legal, and he's like I forget, like
specifically what he said, but he's like, oh no, it's not poison.
He's like, you have nothing to worry about, right, Oh yeah,
so good. I love that whole intro. And I will say this
is I'm not sure if you were, but I had the comic book.
This is based off of air Chris Claremont famous run when he does go to
Japan and they they don't copy beat for me, but this whole thing with
the bear is in there. It's different because the bear attacks him and then
he has to kill the bear and he figures out that that bear was because
it was poison. So like, it's not exactly, but it's very similar
to fall a lot of Pizza. And then he goes to Japan. No,
no, it's a bit different in this time because Scott and Jeanie's got
married and he's pretty pissed off, so he's kind of just wandering the earth
and things, if I recall, that's how it goes. The other thing
is that happens from the storyline is obviously they're not gonna introduce in the movies,
but you're Marico. They when he sleeps together, they leave that she
is pregnant and he never knows that she has a son and it's named dak
And and he's a bisexual version of his dad and he's kind of a villain
and whatnot. He's wolvering with a mohawka. So yeah, and he's got
the clause or is it he has the clause bone? You know, it's
it's adamanty because somebody's like can do the same thing to you and blah bah
blah. So I like Dak and he's no ex twenty three, but I
wish we were Saw Dakin so maybe one day. So fine, you will
revive dak in wellhy not, it's a and it should because they're for the
the lgb qt W. I s like there's all these things on there.
Sure there's not many characters like that. You know, having a bisexual like
Wolverine character would be, you know, something good to the addition, just
like I didn't really care about the the you know what, I'm like going
down this road transport, you know what. I really like the beginning of
this whole. I thought it was very interesting, just the shots that they
made, like even when he's just walking through the woods and the bear and
kind of looking back and forth. A very CG I must add, But
yeah, that's fine, let's expect it. I really feel like this,
well, it's all of it's kind of like overdone. Should had a real
bear, man. I know, I'm sorry, you can cutting you off.
I feel like Hugh Jackman really filled out, filled out, like really
fit this role, like he really nailed it where I felt like this is
like the Wolverine and out of all the other movies that we've watched, maybe
just because we got a lot more character development through this one and he could
be a little bit more dramatic acting instead of kind of that he didn't fill
his peak was with origins that hair though his hair peaked. I think it
has a lot to do with the directing and the writing, and they just
really portrayed like this is what I see as like Wolverine was from this movie
compared to what we've seen in the past. So, yeah, that's funny
that you mentioned that because I remember, like when I first saw those original
movies, I didn't really like grow up reading the comics, so I always
just saw that as my Wolverine. But it's just like the same here here.
Yeah, oh yeah, then you just say that this No, like
I grew up, I didn't read the comments. Okay, so like I
grew up like seeing some of those movies. But like this is like the
Wolverine that I would like, like when I think about it, like this
is like him and Logan as well too. That's what I enjoy. Yeah,
that old man Logan. H But yeah, no, I think this
whole sequence at the beginning was great, and even when they get we get
introduced to the what's Yukio yo Yukiyo. Yeah, even like she's pretty cool
too, red hair chick, right, Yeah, you know I liked her
entrance as well, and kind of letting Logan do his own thing, but
then just showing everyone up like basically like we don't need to fight, like
we just need to get out of here and leave, like it's worth our
time. So it was good. So Dak and he's SE's bisexual, and
what happens is no, Yukio says, hey, y Shida, friend of
his baby talks about it. Just their background will kind of up we saw
on the flashback. He wants to say by Logan thinks something's up, but
he says, Okay, I'm gonna go because it's kind of insinuated that the
cops are looking for him, so he kind of decides I'll go with her
fight. Yeah, but it's kind of like you're you're gonna be fine.
You're gonna mess them up, like they're not gonna rest you, but it's
fine. So he goes to Japan. Yeah, he goes Japan. Lots
of stuff ensues there. He gets a bathroom man, that's where you see
Hugh Jackman is just shacked to the gills when they're washing he it's just like
this portion I do like, but he's just like being walked around the facility
being set up to everything point. Well, he's just not even thinking.
He's just like go this way like they're and like he's just being introduced to
every plot point he's gonna deal with in the movie Marico. Marico's like they're
going, yeah, yeah, her step for like her father's training. Oh
he's good. Well he's and then you go like he's not that good,
Like so it's good. But he's just like these are all the characters you're
gonna have problems with. And then he goes to the Yasheeta and Yashida wants
to take away his peeling powers and give him a life. I think they
don't really ever in this week, which is fine, but I don't think
they ever really clearly answer why Logan declines the the invitation to do this,
because he's pretty resk. Originally he's like, you don't want what I got,
Yeah, but you know the guy does want what he got, you
know, like he's weak. I think that's the weakest part of the first
half. The rest of it's all Christmas. That's fine. Maybe he just
doesn't want to pass it on or he does still like you know, classic
torn soul, just living with it. But that's the only part. But
it's all good stuff. You're if Marico tries to jump off a building because
her dad hitter, there's you know some there's lots of stuff that goes on
here. Yeah, no no comments on this, No no comments at all.
You said it well though, it's just like he's definitely interested to all
the plot points, and it's it's hilarious because they're like in the middle.
It's hard to describe the building, but it's just like he's in like the
little courtyard and then it's swear you see like different rooms and you just see
like like the what's her name, jeez, Marico. Yeah, it's like
you see your dad like fighting the one dude. And then it's like you
see like the sick dad or sick grandpa. I guess, yeah, Shida
and then uh, what was her like soon to be a husband there?
Actually yeah on the phone, dude, because like they play it off like
because it's a arranged marriage, right, and they I think there's some comment
about that, like oh, she's she's I think she says that, yeah,
she's show like it's a rain. Yeah whatever. We were told that
they're getting married, and clearly she doesn't want to. She doesn't want to.
And then she also has that ex boyfriend that we find out about later
with the bow and stuff, which is a strange problem line. So anyway,
so Logan feels a little pissed off because she's like, oh, just
to say goodbye. How they pull the wool over his eyes? You know,
not the reason there? And then so he gets on a James sequence
with Gene and then we get this thing with Viper, and I want to
talk about Viper because it's called a big sigh. She's definitely the part of
the movie that for me doesn't work. And maybe I'll take like a little
detour here for a second, because we usually try to go in order.
But the things that really don't work from me are her obviously last plot,
and like Marico's ex boyfriend with the bow and arrow, which I hate because
I got to look as who are out will Young Lee? I loved that
actor. He was so good. What do you know him from? He's
in Fast? Oh? Is he? Yeah? He's in Fast and furious
he's play huns. No he doesn't know. He doesn't. Oh, no,
you are. You're offending their gay community. I did not offend you
just put that idea out there. You did. But I'm not gonna talk
about No. I was gonna go away off on another tangent, which was
inappropriate. So I have nothing wrong with the gay community. I didn't say
he did. Everyone knows we're joking, and I wasn't making fun of the
letters. I've just forgot. I've tried to learn how many letters are in
the I used to know what was the l g qb T community, but
now I think there's three other letters. And I don't do that offense.
I just can't remember. And as you can see, I can't even remember
half these characters names. It's just we're dumb. Yeah, it's I don't
care what you are. If you're green, this or that doesn't matter to
me. Yeah, I'm getting the mixed up the Asians and the gays.
Damn, this is not the podcast to talk about this stuff. Oh it's
fine, feel no or joke. We're not saying anything. William Lee,
who is not Han by the way, that's what I just checked. Watch
Altered Carbon. I love that show. It's on Netflix. I told the
entire geek first to watch just and no one ever dies? Did you?
Yeah? Of course I watched it the week it came out. Why didn't
you ever talk to me about it? It's amazing. We can have a
cast about it. Maybe another time. I reviewed already yet to watch it
quickly? Did you know season two is happening and Anthony Mackie is going to
be the main start because remember how they can switch skin, so he's switching
into Anthony Mackie. H Yeah, great show, checking out like Blade Runner,
Space sci Fi or like Space nor Great, great show. I didn't
give it a chance because I knew there was no season two. There's a
season two though, but now I'll watch it anyways. Will Youngley he plays
the like the real version of remember when it's like because he's actually an ancient
man, that's what he plays. And he's great in that show and in
this movie he's nothing. He's just looking. He's doing stuff I don't understand,
and like I said, I'm going out of order. But it's revealed
at some point that Okay, Viper's working with. All we know is there's
the Yukuza that is after Marico, right, and something bad. They're trying
to kidnap her, and it's assumed because she's gonna take control of you shoot
his company now. But all we know is Viper and what's his name?
Herada. That's the guy that's like the ex boyfriend apparently I hope him pronounced
okay, yeah, Like is he a congbook like hero or something? I
think, well know on that probably I think he might be adapted from that
storyline. I'm not read well, I own it, but nothing like oh
huge character. He's not like you know, Hawk, He's not like Japan's
Hawk guy, I know. But like for some reason, all we know
is Viper and him are tied this Yukuza and it just makes no sense everything
that's going on. How does Viper, like what is going on with this
dream with Logan, how does she get this thing around his heart? Why
is Bow and Arrow guy helping her out? Because it seems like, okay,
maybe he's doing it to protect Marico. And then they get Mariko and
then he's kind of like saying they could be together, and Marco stabs them
and he's still bad, and then all of a sudden he starts fighting Viper
because it's just like, oh, they're gonna kill Marco. But it just
feels like the whole Yukuza is after couldn't you put two and two together that
clearly these people are not good for her, Like these characters make me and
I don't know what Viper is and before I handle these two because I'm sure
say on Viper because he did a huge eye roll for the eye listeners.
She is the worst part of this movie. I have no offense to get
this actress. She's not even bad, it's just the lines they have are
saying. She just feels like she's in the X Men origin version of this
movie. There's at one moment where Yukioh and Ma Marico are running away and
she's running after him. She's going, it's so bad, and she has
the angel effect where she's spinning out stuff and why does she skin herself?
Why? Like I know she's supposed to be like Viper and bullbla, Like
it's just a blame effect, like all this stuff, just like why she
have to be bald and it's just dumb. It's all so dumb. And
we'll talk about the end too later when we get to but all of it.
It's just it makes me mad because the first half this movie is not
those characters. And like the same thing with Herrada. I don't know what
his motivations are. Sometimes he's protecting Marico, sometimes he's not. He just
feels like an idiot. So every time I watch, it's just annoys the
fuck out of me. So, yeah, you feel I feel like you're
my anger translator. Yeah, it's like everything you just said is what I
just don't like about this character at all, Like when she changes like out
of into your skin and like I guess, and when she put on that
big green cautionme at the end, it's so so dumb like it and like
I guess, I was kind of confused, like she's supposed to be this
chemist or like at the beginning, or doctor or well he just said she's
my oncollogist, but clearly she's a lot more than that. Yeah, she
like but is she is a mutant? I guess right, Well, obviously
she's a mutant. She has to be m Yeah. Yeah, but like
the only reason why I think. Okay, So to go back to your
how does Wolverine get this like thing into his heart? I think it's like,
wasn't it like he didn't drink some tea or some water when he was
sleeping, because I remember he like wakes up and it's beside him like that
that phone me stuff. But she also like but she sim so like that,
what's the My idea was that she made him unconscious and then she put
this in on Okay, that's gonna yeah, that could work too IMDb boards.
But it's just and it's a weird geam thing with Gene. He's like
kissing her, but then when he wakes up, it's like her, but
then he's still dreaming. It's like a weird I don't know, I don't
know. Not great. Yeah, I feel like she's definitely a week in
this whole movie here, and it was hard to watch like with her parts,
and that really like brought it down in the sessions as well too,
like especially when we talked about later at the final end scene, like I
did not need her to be there at all, Like it would make more
sense for that horror horror what's the Horada to just be him and like him,
like it is like fighting against the just the the home a goodness,
but it doesn't Cuza but like it doesn't make sense because we don't know what
his motivations are. In the movie, he's just protecting Marico, but then
I don't know he's kidnapperer at the same time. Yeah, I guess at
the beginning of this movie was kind of confused of what was happening, Yes,
because I thought this Horado guy was like kind of like back up for
the home My goodness, Mariko. Yeah, that's that's like when they're running
away from its protecting. Yeah, but then I don't understand how he just
joins the akuza doesn't make sense. And then like the little like uh like
interaction that they had that he has with the viper, like public nobody gives
up. So many people there, people just like this is another day.
That's why I see a guy can ask there's so many people here, I
don't keep walking. Then you know what happened in Britain. A lot people
just got g going around and like spraying assid on people's faces. These are
facts. These are actually that's an actual fact. Like how recent is this?
This is a couple of years ago. Okay, I want to see
your references. Yeah, okay, Actually I don't have a diploma, So
I don't know if I could do that. That's a viper vipers. Yeah,
anyway, Yeah, I just was not a big fan of this character
at all. I really thought she brought this whole thing down. And yeah,
you're right, like this is not towards the actress at all, like
just what she was given and it kind of just brings you out of like
what this whole movie was about was supposed to be. Well, well,
it is feels a lot different from all the other X Men movies that we've
gotten in the past. But but that doesn't that is like straight out of
origin. It's like I just do that to throw in another mutant in the
movie or something like it was just because I think so. I think so,
yeah, because I don't know if it was make it flashy. Same
thing with her having the cautume at the end, it stands out because everyone's
dressed very realistically. And then you got her, and then you got the
fucking twelve foot Silver Samurai, which in the comics, the Silver Samurai is
a character, but he's just a man who's a great samurai, like obviously
a villain samurai, but he's just very skilled, like this massive robot that
is built out of Adam Mantian. This thing is supposed to be this rare
fucking metal and what he has, this gigantic robot. They spent all the
money possible. Don't give me that, Are you kidding me? It's just
such a It just feels like fan fiction where it's just like, oh,
we'll throw vipe here and now we'll have a robot and the robot's Adam Mantin
and it's just like and it has a Samurai sword that lights up and cut.
It feels like kids talking. If that's if this was a cartoon,
I could go, okay, fine, but this isn't, especially because the
first half of this movie is so down to earth. It's so weird that
these are the choices that were made. I don't know, like I said,
how it was made, but it's so weird. Maybe there was like
halfway through or towards the end, Fox was like, nah, like I
don't know, like testing, well, there's not enough. There's not enough
mutones in here, not enough action. It's not enough. We had to
do reshoots and that's where all these people come from. You can't just be
in a suit. Guess he could have legitimately just been in the suit that
was protecting him at the beginning at the funeral. Yeah, well that would
have been yo. So when he dies, there's a suit. It's a
silver Samurai, silver Samurai that protects him as he's like, oh yeah,
okay, I see yeah, no, well I think that's supposed to be
like a tribute to the Ogi Coon because it looks kind of like that,
and that's one thing they kind of do, but they never get onto it
too much. In the comic. One of the biggest thing is when he
first bumps into and finding that the Ninjas are actually the hand in the comic
book like from Darryl, but they can't be because Marvel owns them. So
but anyways, when he bumps into them the very first time, he's like
whatever, I'm oulverine, but they just kick his ass, and it's supposed
to be the thing where he realizes like, oh man, like I'm not
hot shit, like normal people that are not mutes can kick my ass.
That happens. But then we like, I love the scene when the kid,
the Ninja's duke can nap him and they like arrow him up. That's
cool, But we ever got that scene of like him training or learning Samurai
Wi. He's like that's part of the comic book too, where he is
kind of trying to learn to center his anger right using Samurai methods. I
like a lot of the characters stuff in this movie, but that's nothing about
like him learning anything from Japan or the culture. Nothing happened. He just
is down there to get it on with Marico, and that's it. Like
I think he's learning stuff, but not that, like he never has him
out where he gets back in the samurais or not, Like it's just he's
just still a fucking brute. Who's just I don't know, I'm gonna Cynara,
you know. Like that's why it just feels like kind of like halfway
or more towards end, like something just like falls apart or it's not switches
like the second Marico gets kidnapped, it's a whole different movie. It changes
into just like comic book like spewing, which it's fine, but it's just
like the classic comic book. Yeah yeah, which the first part is not.
Yeah, Kirkland, we've been ranting a lot about those two got It's
it's pretty exhausting and just thinking about especially just hearing like the playoffs. Yeah,
like the whole yeah. Uh, you guys were kind of talking about
everything there. Yeah, we don't need to talk about those scenes when we
get to them as far as Viper like, but and then like the whole
we just talking about like the end scene right now, go ahead, We're
a this is a crazy cast, you know. I penn ultimate episodes like
the whole Silver Silver Samurai like reveal, and it was yashidah the whole time.
It's just like, I don't know, it seemed pretty underwhelming, especially
with how comic booky you did feel. And then like you mentioned, like
oh, Logan fake death and like every yeah, and like how you mentioned
like the first majority of this movie it's so down to earth and like it
makes sense, like it just feels like a almost like a Logan story right
where it's not over the top of this Viper chick with her greena ugh.
Yeah. It like puts a bad days my mouth just thinking about like the
end of this movie because it starts, it starts so strong, and then
when you said that's her name, Marico Mayes, when she gets taken are
you talking about from It's it's so weird. Because they they're hiding out twice
twice, all right. The first time he captures on the train sequence,
which we'll talk about great sequence. Yea. The second time is when they
sleep together and they're hiding out to my cottage or something like that, and
they just find her and they just take her and then he's running after.
Is that when they go to the island where the bombs truck. Yeah,
and they just find them very easily. In the scene is just quick.
They kidnapp her and well, he did say. She's like, oh,
I'm going to like where we're from or like where I was, and he
was like whatever place. It's like that's a bad idea. And she's like,
now we're doing it, they won't find us. And he's like all
right, but like I did say, it was a bad idea, and
they did find her. I guess I'm fun that. I think it was
to me just underwhelming that he wakes up and she's gone, and then he
hears screaming. He runs, they shoot him and it's like, okay,
she's gone, Like yeah, okay, I don't know. Yeah, there's
quite a few moments like that that happened. And I was just like I'll
just turn my head away, just get along with this movie, because it's
weird when a movie, yeah, don't look there, it's funny or it's
it's strange having a movie like this where it starts so strong and then it
just goes downhill where I don't know, like sometimes Origins just stays bad.
That's yeah. This is definitely not worse than Origins, but with the Origins,
just like you're never expecting greatness, so you just kind of get numb
to it. Yeah, and then like a ridiculous scenes happened, You're like,
oh, that's kind of funny, whereas this one, it's like a
ridiculous scene happening. It's like that just not belong. It pisses you off.
Yeah, exactly. It's like I expected so much more. Yeah.
Yeah, So so I guess we go back to Ishida dies. The big
thing is Yukio. It's been known that her immune power is she can see
the future or something like that. He does. She didn't see that,
so that's kind of a wing wing nudge nudge, get it. He's gonna
be the bad because I felt that way in the first time I saw that.
That he because I think the original Silver Samura is Marico's dad in the
comic books, the guy that they do does have the fight with at the
end. It was just like just abusive father number one. Like that's like
he's just that's all his characters. He's just an asshole who hates his daughter,
wants a company that he has no levels what so's it's weaks to kind
of introduce like a weird like like you should kind of be rooting for him
because uh uh, I want to hear why you should be rooting for him.
Well look, because well I forget which character it was, but someone
mentions it to Logan that he sorry Ishida, he was taking all the company's
money to like build this super suit or something, and then the son found
out and he was trying to hide it to like, I don't know,
help out the father and then me like a morality player or moral play.
I think the problem is you probably final information but then like less than finals,
like you know. Yeah, So it's like I remember like kind of
hearing that, and then I feel he's a good guy. I feel like
they were like interweaving some Japanese in there, so I didn't get all the
subtitles. I just got the English part, but uh yeah it was.
I just remember that one moment. It's like, I feel like I should
kind of be rooting for this guy, but like everything I've seen is just
an asshole. So she had eyes. Wolverine states for the funeral, who
was gonna lean? But he states for that he thinks something's going on.
He sees Yakuza. Yeah, the Yakuza. He's just gonna bad vibe.
One thing, tattoos, yeause, if you didn't know, if you have
long tattoos like that, you should be covering them up in Japan because people
affiliate that too. Yakuza. Well, he's good to know. That's why.
That's how Logan knew with the I don't know how he like put together
smart man. Maybe read a book. Yeah, who knows his long plane
ride fifteen hours, that's right. And then one thing a twist I did
like in this movie because I remember they show in the trays. I oh,
that's great, that's someone new. I like that his healings taken away.
So the fact that like Oestly can't die because he's still a fucking metal
man, so like you can't like get past the actual metal to kill him.
But I like the idea that he was slower, he couldn't fight as
good and all you already got the samurai or the yakuza kick in his butt.
But I like that that was a good addition. And I think that
whole sequence of Marik going him on the run, going place to place.
I love the bolt trained sequence. I think that's phenomenal, very intense,
and all the way up until I get to that like sex like love hotel
where they got to stay, I think that's really good. It's like it's
mostly just action, but it's really good. I think, pretty gritty,
as realistic as possible as you can with a guy with claws. Yeah.
Actually, I like she's trying to like escape from him, and then she's
like, oh, I finally got away, and he's just like sitting next
He's like, so where are we going? Oh fuck, there's someone else
is gonna shop. Maybe it'll come back. I agree. I thought the
action was amazing. I actually like how choreographed all of these Sekuza members are,
and like it's not really like what I like about the style of I
guess what did you say? Would you say it's karate or I don't really
know? The kung Fu. I don't know something like that. I just
like how yeah, it's better martial arts is that it's all like more of
that realistic where there's actual people doing it instead of like the c G.
I like, ye scenes type of thing practical, and I think that really
helps. It grounds the movie as well too, even though like they're on
the you know, the bullet train and like you're they're jumping up and down
and that's kind of insane, but I think they ground that as much.
Just yeah, I think it works. I like the one where des out
the guy where he's pretends something's coming and goes to jump. The other guy
jumps and just gets taken out, and it's a great shot just when he
lets go and he like throws his arms back, like that's just like such
a comic book. It's so good. It's good stuff. Just how you
mentioned like the use of martial arts and it it's just like it felt,
uh you actually mentioned it where it feels more of just like an old school
almost like a Bruce Lee movie, right, yeah, as opposed to just
a congic book movie or just like people are shooting laser beams other eyes.
It's like, okay, it's kind of comic bookie, so like if you
have that mindset of conk book movie, not just like like an awesome like
Bruce Lee fighting ors, just like this is so cool, like people can
actually do this right, So it was cool the use of that as well,
like the crossover. Don't mention the viper stuff that they had in there.
It's just like but it's like more of the lines of like this guy
is like clause right, So the the interwove the line of realistic conk book
for a good chunk of this movie. I'll say, I don't want to
say the whole movie, but also the thing that I forgot to mention how
you said that you love how he was like slowed down and like you couldn't
regenerate super fast. Also like taking away that like I watched this for the
second time, like just on Monday, as opposed to or sorry after seeing
Logan. So that's where it also felt just like super Logan feels from it
because that's the only other time that I've seen uh Logan not being able to
regenerate properly or in it, and it just like it adds a different factor
that you're not normally used to because like I remember at the at the funeral
scene when he gets like shotgunder the gut right because it's booming, like it
just fits and he's like phasy. It looks like he got like flash banged
or something like he's just disoriented and he's never felt yeah, and like before
like he would just be running at people and just like shoot me, like
he just doesn't feel. Yeah, I like seeing that different that other side.
Obviously we've done it, we've seen it done so much better and like
Logan, but that's a different movie, whole different ball game. Yeah,
I guess like it would have been sweet, Like you know how you're saying
that they would have been training him to be like a samurais like him being
slow, so he needs to kind of learn another scale to know. No,
Yeah, there was so much potential for that, and then I feel
like by the end of this movie, like oh the like the whole point
is that he's been like in Japan kind of like absorbing, like their their
ideologies and stuff and like the Samurai way of like inner peace. But it's
just like that's just for like the viewer to just kind of build for themselves,
right, like IMD IMDb boards like discussing that afterwards, like they don't
they don't give you that when it's so easy, like you can see it
in front of in front of you, but they just don't give it to
you. And he's a little unfortunate, and it doesn't like he decides like
I gotta get back out there and be a soldier. But it's just kind
of I feel like he just does that by default in a way, and
there's not a big motivation too. It's just like, oh, he's over,
he's kind of over killing jeans, and I's gonna go out and help
the ax men. Okay, yeah, I honestly, I'm trying to remember
what happens now because they're in that hotel, all right, Logan faints,
they take them to that that's kind of funny. And he scratched the that
a couple of times squat him. So that was good. Do you remember
that? So is this that the love Hotel? Still? Yeahcause remember he
lapses outside. I thought it was like the people attacking him Likekuza. That's
one thing I was gonna say, what did you watch the unrated version,
Kyle? Do you know? I don't think so? No? Yeah,
because we were the streams of different version because we see the radar version Kyle
then because there's a few scenes added. Oh really, yeah, that's one
of them. Because in Kyle's cut, he just passes out because he's tired
and has like he's in pain. But in that cuts, just some random
accups of people attack him. It's really strange because they're kind of just walking
down the street and then Marico throws some knives in their head and kills them.
Yeah. Oh, actually I did see that. You did because I
have the unrated version, I'm sure because yeah, you also got the nd
fight when they get in the like the whatever the cutter thing and they throw
ninjas in there and it's cutting up blood and shooting up blood everywhere. Mmmm,
that isn't sound familiar. Maybe I didn't see it, Okay, so
there you go. Yeah. Also in that scene though, because that's another
like Gene flashback where we're just kind of talked to him. It's really subtle,
but like I really like when she says you're slipping logan and then the
guy shoots him. Oh so good. Yeah, And I like that she's
like a little more faded and the brain's going through very if you've seen Blade
Runner twenty four nine, very very much like you to see it. Fun
fact for Kurkuling. Yeah, and then after that faints. They're just kind
of traveling around quite a bit. We get like more flashbacks to him with
Yashida, but this is a lot of when we already talked about Viper and
Harada meeting the streets and they're talking about evil plans and there's just stuff going
on. Okay, so they sleep together because I don't know, they're just
they're in the fitt mode. You know, we might die or Marco,
you might die and I might mourn you. Yeah, you might be in
my dreams. Next. I do like to see when he wakes up all
violent, she like calms him down. She's like holding There is something I
don't know, very central about the way she's just holding his like claws.
She's like rubbing them at one point. Yeah, but it's weird, but
I like it because all the time you just see these things use his weapons
right all the time, and they're just things of violence. So for her
to be like caressing them and whatnot. I liked that spin on things.
And then now trying to think, but I feel like that's most of the
movie because she gets kidnapped and then that big final fight happens, like also
be like broad shocks, like broad broad broad Strokes were dealing with. He
goes down to kidnapper. That's when that great scene of me when the nin
just take him out. I love that's right from the comics, when he
gets aired up and everything. He had to go find her again and he
stops at the soon to be place and it was just filled with prostitutes.
Yeah yeah, yeah, which is just like a bad it's origins vibe.
Oh yeah, yeah, how do you know the pools there? I did
it like that? He makes it work. Yeah, but yeah, it's
totally it's totally what it is. Like it's cheesy, but like he just
makes it work. So but that's why I feel like the beginning is very
strong. In the middle is not bad, but it's a lot of just
like meandering around and a lot of that's the viper stuff. And then I
think the ending strong. I like her lean that charge of I like the
actual fight scene with all the ninjas at the end. I think that's good.
And then we kind of get that ending in the reveal. I'm not
sure because you guys have probably seen it. This is the second time.
But do you remember, was this a shocking reveal to you that was yushiita
or even like the second time, it wasn't really that shocking. Well,
if you've seen the second well, I guess the first time, Well that's
what you meant to say. I don't because we saw it together, but
I don't remember. I didn't know, no joking, but I don't remember
like being at the end, like I was like flabbergasted by this whole thing.
I think it was just I think it's just because I guess the other
part I skipped over to is because he is looking for Marika. Oh,
I skipped over major part. That's what happened. They're looking for Marico and
that's when he finally they get back to that where they were, the house
where you should have supposedly died, and they find a way to get that
thing out of them. Remember, yeah, you're gonna die with your heart
and your hands everything like that, which funny enough, if you think about
in logan, he does die holding his daughter's hands, so they did pay
that off. In the director's you know, if you believe or not,
he said you know it was on purpose, so but or you can just
take it that he did die once holding his heart and he came back to
life. But that's when we get the big scene of him with his shirt
off fighting Marico's dad. I think it's a really good samurai fight scene.
To me, it's very strange. I like because he gets to pull the
the wolverine line, but they're fighting and he stabs them and everything like that,
and he goes to kill me. He's like, uh, you tried
to kill your daughter. You live with that? Oh yeah, leave him?
And then he leaves him, but then he runs back and sas and
Logan kills him. Anyways, It's like, well he didn't really like you
didn't fall up on that threat, Like you didn't have to kill him.
You could have just knocked him out, but he so it was weird to
be like you live with that, and then him to kill him execute him
literally ten seconds stood up. But you know, like the guy has already
like beaten his daughter and like I feel like he has no like he doesn't
really care. I know him, But why would Logan kill him after saying
like I want you to live with that feeling of you trying to kill your
daughter and then like, now you can put you out of your misery.
Yeah. I guess maybe it's just showing like that. It's not really culture
thing, but just him misunderstanding this. Dude, I have no idea or
he just like rape. My problem is not with him. My problem was
with Wolverine Kyle, with him saying, I'm not gonna kill you. You
living and with the thought of you trying to kill your daughter is a worse,
worse punishment than death, and then what did you do? He gives
them death? Fuck it? Okay to send it, I agree, but
I liked him, like when he opened up his own chest and it's like
trying to feel around for us for that spider looking thing. I guess only
a lot of the Matrix have felt like, yeah it was. Yeah,
it was very weird too. They don't really explain how this would stop a
sealing power whatnot. But I'll roll with it. Yeah, yeah, sure,
hilarious. But was it, uh, what's your name? You know,
his love interest, the redhead girl, whatever, the the guys,
the dad Mary goes down. Yeah, he like comes like Fox up the
X ray and Logan's like fishingrod he's like I can't see, he's just going
and blind. That was pretty Uh, that was a pretty narly scene.
It was pretty narly. It was good. I really like that. I
liked how they were hopping around him while he was still like trying to do
his own like surge. That's the thing that sucks. All the fight scenes
up until the finale are good. M hm, yeah, that that is
very unfortunate actually that you mentioned you say it like that, I liked,
uh, like when you think he's dead and then he kind of just starts
regenerating. Beautiful, look great, old Wolverine's back, and then we can't
talk about and but then he got viper gun taken out, she gets hung
to dath by yukioh cool, that's great. And then that was very graphic,
actually it was. And then like we talked about that reveal, and
then I don't know, he just gets really over. He's just laughing and
he's just so cheesy, like it's not it's worth like their veal and the
ending has been bad enough, but it's just like just started just like hitting
at home of like we're gonna make this as cheesy and as bad as possible
and he's just laughing. He feels like a comic book character in the worst
way. Yeah, just like cheesy, everything wrong about what you would adapt.
And yeah, he cuts off. It's like the director was cut in
the hired a new guy to take in his place. That I don't think
that was the case, but I think it could have been like, hey,
we want you to do a little more of this, but another Wolverine
movie where his claws get broken. Slash cut off always looks brutal every time
Antium. But it was crazy because even like in the graphics they show like
you see the animantium and then you see like the bone inside that. It's
like, this is crucive. I do like when he kills Yashidah and he
goes to get the bones out and then the bone claws again, and just
it's just a good scene. And it looked brutal when he was like had
them like the those saws and thens Yeah, even though I have no I
have no bone claws. But I felt that I forgot or I didn't even
get to answer you when you asked me if I was shocked the first time
I watched when the reveal, I don't believe I answered, yeah, it
is my turn to first time I watched it, I was not expecting it,
but I was also probably fairly out of the movie because of what was
going on, and I was just like, I don't even care at this
point, Like it's just so ridiculous of a movie, like the turns that
that it was taking and the way that he was going. It was just
I probably definitely like lost interest. So this second time kind of forgot that
he comes back. But at the same time I was like, of course
he does, like yeah, and then like especially like because they kill off
the because you're all the red Harry is supposed to be that it's clearly her
dad, right, Yeah, that oh he's the one once or dead everything
like that, which he did, so he's also another villain. But it's
like with him dad and the other characters all around, and the Viper is
clearly working for some it's like it has there's only one character left that it
could be unless they're gonna do some big shocking that someone we not met.
Yeah, and like it's just so like contradicts that character though for me because
like at the beginning, I know I was talking about like he's so wholehearted,
like like he's letting these like prisoners of war go, and like you
know, he's just like, I don't know, just give them a running
chance. And then he's just so like evil man at the end. It's
just like it looks like he just got his mind corrupt. That it was
just how he's just obsessed with the idea of wolverine and longevity of life and
mutants too, because remember his sense, like it was so obsessed with you
type it like took down this house, Rememberica, So he was like working
with viper and stuff like that. And when I watched him we again,
like I had an idea the first time, but when I'm watch again knowing
it's him, they dropped so many like non subtle hints when he is just
like, yeah, my dad was obsessed with your kind. It's just like
okay, he's gonna pop him back up again. And I do like that
Marco kills with the knife to the head or like yes, stops the wolverine
kills with the cyinara, but yeah, nope, it was pretty lackluster ending.
Yeah, and I guess after that what they just go on the plane
and kiss and she sends him off and he's gonna be a soldier and then
we get that end credit scene. Yeah, should we talk about the end
credits scene? Well, were you gonna ask something about his Adamantine or something
in this end credits scene because you said how could magnetos stop him? Yes?
Oh, so it's never mind. I answered my own question because this
whole body is I think I I think I had a Kyle issue of the
timeline, like when I asked that question. Well, it's it's not wrong
to say because I thought the same thing as well too, only because because
he I forgot that. Why don't they come back as and as the metal
ones an Manning and an em because they're cut off? Yeah, but then
if they cut off this bone, sorry they his bones get cut off.
Sorry, his claws get cut off. But shouldn't they just regrow back?
No, the bone would grow back, but the Adamante was placed there.
No, isn't it part of his bone structure? Though? No, it
was. The bones were coated in it so the bones could grow back.
But if that came out and those were the original bones that got cut off,
the bones are going to grow back in a splot where the Adamantian's missing.
So let's say his arm gets cut off. Yes, only now that
whole arm will only be bone. No, yes, well just want to
make sure. Yeah I didn't know that, Thanks for asking. Yeah.
Yeah. They don't have a scene at all in Days of Future Past.
It's annoying. But I think the director or it said somewhere that Magneto gives
him the bone Claus or the metal clause back because he like expands the mantine
over his claws. Oh but they don't explain that in Plastic X Men.
But that's why he has it, So I just thought it would just this
my next question to throw back. No, that was debated a lot.
But my problem with this scene is it's very strange because he gets on an
airplane right and he's with Yukio, and clearly they don't want Yukyo to be
in Days of Future Pass, so they say it's two years later, but
it's weird because he's also just in an airport, which something, so it's
weird. But I also just wonder what he's been doing for two years.
This has always bugged me, and I'll never know as these movies are ending
and no one gives a fuck, But like, like, why like I
thought the Answer movie, he says he has to be a soldier, and
I kind of took like, oh, he's gonna go back to the X
Mansion and be with the X Men, right, No, he's just gonna
find the Dazzle and Distress and fuck him and then leave. He's gonna find
what the isn't it the Denzil, the Dazzle in the Distress? The No,
you don't what I'm talking about, no idea, it's the girl in
distress. What what are you guys laughing? The girl in the stress?
This girl, this whole movie, it's about him chasing a girl who's getting
getting chased by the Kuza, the damsel. And I'm pretty sure to say
damsel in distress and distress. That's what I said. You keep saying the
girl in distress. No, I said the damsel in distress the first time.
Then you guys are making fun. Sorry, Okay, so what are
you saying that's what he's doing for the last two years, chasing the damsel
in distress? No, but no he's not, because we don't like you're
just saying that's a joke, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, we
don't know what that's I want to know what he's really been what I said
the first time, Okay, sure, we'll play it back. Oh,
I just would assume he's going back to the X mansion. But what has
he been doing for two years? I don't think that you need to add
that tag. Obviously had Yukio with him, but just make Yukyo stay with
the back in Japan in Hawaii because she's never in another fucking movie. So
her being on the plane, and why would she leave her best friend when
she has just been almost nearly assassinated and she's gonna become now the owner of
this company. Okay, I'm to Logan, who clearly does not need the
help. But yeah, I like the end credits scene. It was a
good setup. I remember watching it the first time. It's being Oh,
Savior's back making deal. It's great, greats every day's future past. But
that just always bugs me. It's like, what was he doing? I
didn't take it that hard, but when you lay out the fast ship,
I should have clearly. I guess I'm not that heartbroken. Not heartbroken,
I'm just curious, like I wonder what happened? You know. Yeah,
I'm really glad that you explained the whole antimamium thing, adam Antium and Andres
Damsel in distress? What is he out of the bones? Kyleum adam Antium
and man, you gotta learn this soon because it's gonna have the MCNE.
You don't want to look like a nerd. Wait what you know in the
MCU and Olverreen gets there. You don't want to be talking your friends and
like the old animaeum, I don't want to look like a nerd. But
if I get it right, then I'm not a nerd. No, a
nerd in the bad sense. Yeah, we're you want to be a geek,
not a nerd. Oh that's the Geeks podcast, shout out to nerd
versus. Well you're out there. Do we have anything else to say on
this movie? I got some fun facts that are not all trivia, that
are not the greatest, But no, it seems like a short one.
Well it was. It's just because there's not much like of a plot,
or well it's a bit of a plot, but it's not really much to
go off of, just about a girl in distress. You know, Damsel
in distress is when I first said it, I thought you said like dress
like the girl in the dress and you're like, come on, guys,
and I'm like, no, I said, damsel in distress. Okay,
yes, I apologize. Now if you say it like that, turn me
down. I turn your gain down? Yeah, what does gain mean?
It just makes you louder. Yeah, it's so he likes to turn up
his gain. No, don't break the fourth wall. Okay, so we
got some trio going on here. Hugh Jackman said for shirtless scenes in the
movie, he wanted to look as ripped and cut as possible, so he
adapted a dehydration diet used in bodybuilding, where he did not consume angle liquid
for thirty six hours before filming the shirtless shots. He said it made him
feel headachy and faint, but he was pleased with the results, as dehydration
tightened everything up and gave him an exaggerated mushl definition vasculity that he wanted to
show in the shirtless scene and it paid off. So good for you,
Jackman. Mad respect there. Could have died, but worth it. He
couldn't have died. To prepare for the role, Hugh Jackman contacted Dwayne the
Rock Johnson for advice for bulking up the movie. Johnson suggested Gaymon Jackman gain
a pound a week over six months, twenty four weeks by eating six thousand
calviies a day, an awful lot of chicken, steak and brown rice.
And yeah, this is at the time where right when it was coming out,
it was like I lost a lot of weight and I was working out.
I always I did the Wolverine diet for a while. That's how I
bulked up at one point, just eating tons of chicken. Nowhere to near
what mister Jackman did, clearly, But I tried a pound a week.
It's tough. No, I didn't do that, but just like his meal
plan, I did so. Wolverine's claws were redesigned for this movie. If
you guys didn't notice, the older versions were straighter designed, but the new
claws have more cuts and angles to them, allowing them to reflect light easier.
Also, the claws come out of the hand lower towards the palm,
which makes more sense from a scientific perspective. The older claws came out a
bit beyond the knuckles. The new claws appear like they could come out in
between the fingers, which means they could retrack straight into four arms. That
makes sense. I was gonna mention the claws definitely look the best that they
have and they have like an edge to it, so not like those fucking
kitchen iced He has an origin so he cuts the Okay, So since we're
talking about the claws the semmer I seen when he's drilling into his bones.
What was the point of that? Then? I think he's trying to get
the adamantium, right, what do you mean he you know, he's trying
to take his power. Okay, Well that was the whole thing, because
he's remember you should while he's doing that. He's old man, he's getting
younger as he does that. But does he get the animanian too? What
I'm not gonna answer your question to get right an, You're you're adding adam
antium. And I need to see the word. How many have we watched
and they mentioned every time Logan's in there. They mentioned adam antium every fucking
time, and you at a man of penum adam. What was the question?
No, he doesn't get the adamantium. Uh but I know he does
get the power though. Yeah. Uh so this was a big thing.
Clearly they didn't do this for Days of Future Pass because they probably are filming
it and they didn't want to introduce it, but this was a huge thing
on the internet. There is a scene on the DVD and on YouTube if
you want to go watch. An alternate ending was film where Yukio presents Logan
with a box that contains his yellow and brown wolverine masks from the comic book
Oh Wow. Yeah, Marco gives it to him as a gift. He
looks it up and he just like looks and he like smiles into the camera
kind of so, and it looked pretty good. Unfortunately they cut it and
because I think if they kept that in you would expect to see that,
and I think they should have done it. And it's a future past because
the thing is he is in Days freet Press will do there that's the next
review. But there's a part where he's in the present then goes in the
past. The present. You could have had him wearing that costume because the
present is very it's very quick. That's not in the movie that much.
When he goes in the past, they go in the future and the past.
Yes, this is why it's called Days of Future Past. So when
he goes back into the past from most of the movie. He would just
be Logan again. So I think they could have done it. It's mad.
I'm mad that they never did it. So, but yeah, I
definitely watched the scene. Yeah, that's great. Is the mask made of
adamantium? Guermo del Toro expressed interest in directing, being a fan of Japanese
saga Wolverine Congas. He met with James good Operas, So, I think
that's producer and Hugh Jackman road directing, but ultimately decided he did not wish
to spend two to three years of his life working on the Movie's fair enough,
I wouldn't do you think Let's see us? Okay? So Darren r
Ronowsky, I'm not sure. Do you guys know who that is? Darren
Aronofsky. He directed Black Swan, He directed The Wrestler. He directed uh
Ship rec raom of Dream Wow. Yeah. Yeah. So. He was
originally set to direct and worked on the watch for six months before departing,
setting a long overseas shoot would prevent him from seeing his family. He had
just separated from Rachel Wise, the mother of his child. He didn't do
that that IMDb. During his time attached to the movie, he rewrote the
screenplay was Christopher mcquarie, the guy who's directed the last two Mission Impossible movies,
and especially the real reason for his disparture was the studio's unwillingness to approve
his draft, which aimed for heart Are due to heavy sexual content and brutal
violence, which is funny. That was you know, Logan ends up being
an R. So it's funny how things would go. I don't know what
the heavy sexual content is, maybe just yeah, but like I don't think
you need those in those common movies like Depple does it. But and then
finally some fun cast saying Jessica Bill was offered the roll viper, but the
deal couldn't be reached and she dropped out. Good job, just kill good
job. He touched a bullet there. Oh yeah, he touched a massive
bullet. So what would you guys rate this movie? I think I'm gonna
give this a you know what, I enjoyed this movie. I still like,
you know, as much as I hated this ending, I thought it
was still somewhat of a fun ride, I guess, and the beginning parts
and the parts that were really good is what I really liked about it.
And so I'm gonna give this a seven. I think a seven is a
good number for this. Yeah, because again, like what we talked about
with the martial arts scenes, the fighting, kind of the back and forth
of what they had everything other than the venom viper Viper girl, I was
what was she trying to get from him? I don't even know. No,
what was that metal Loganhan add a team adam An It's so good.
Yeah, that's like my my hair or more. Anyways, So I thought
it was good overall. So so there's like parts that it could be a
lot better, but it was. It was fine. Yeah, that's it.
I agree with what you said of about the the implications of like the
martial arts and stuff. I I like those action scenes. It's very Daredevil,
like watched Dared, well, He's watched like that is a thick lie
season and a half, I've seen less than one season, less than one
season. Cast isn't about me. Okay, it's about X Men. Actually
it's about the Wolverine. But anyways, I like the daredevilish usage of Marshall
and I liked majority of the movie. I love the intro scene before they
go to Japan of just Hobo Hobo Logan. I loved all that stuff.
I love the bar scene, I love the Jean Gray scenes, all of
them. Those were phenomenal. And I'm just gonna kind of forget about the
end of the movie. So I'm gonna rate this one a seven and a
half. I think that's a reasonable rating. I was I was leaning more
seven, but uh and a half, so I was leaning more seven,
and then I don't know, I just remember majority of like how good,
like the first to middle half of it. So uh yeah, that was
h That was my rating for that one. Nice good work. How about
yourself, mister Snow. I've said everything I need to say about this movie.
You know what I like and don't like, especially what I don't like.
I'm gonna join conn that seven band wagon. I always give seven.
So, like I said, movies that are just above six is like,
okay, it was good passable. Five is that like, oh you just
passed? Didn't get that fail? Seven is stuff out of your watch.
I still we watch this movie quite a bit because I like the beginning of
it. There's also scenes I like, it's another movie with Hugh Jackman as
Wolverine. Yes he did, Like I think what it's seven or eight of
them, and you might be like, oh, that's a lot. But
still when we are sixty there's only like eight Hugh Jackman Wolverine movies. I'm
gonna love all those, especially Wolverine origins, you know. Uh, but
yeah, I will still rewatch this despite its massive flaws. So you guys
did anything to say before we got to a day's future past. Now let's
do Let's go to the future then past. Oh is it good to go
in the past and the future. That's what it's called Days of Future Past.
Thanks for explaining movie. That's what you did. I know it was.
I'm excited. I love this movie. So we'll do that and there'll
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