Weird things happened in the backyard, the weird, weird weird. I what's
up, hey, dude? What what I'm just I'm trying not to laugh
during your intro. You well you did because you said what I'm keeping it
cool? Whatever, Bro, you are giving me a look you were you
of my head laughing what amberds dude? You know, honestly, probably you
probably just wanted to ruin my uh introduction. Broo, it's a conspiracy.
It's a conspiracy, Bro, conspiracy. That's not the name of the movie.
It's a book. Yo, yo, yo, yo yo. We're
doing DaVinci Code. You know what's so funny? We uh yeah, we're
doing Dvince Code. Finally we we I mean I read this book like probably
a year ago now, because you were telling me, like, bro,
super good, super good. Yeah, like if you want a page turner
that is extremely occult and esoteric, like read the da Vinci Code. I
think you were telling me for months like, bro, you will love it
all this stuff. I don't remember exactly what the final like catalyst for me
doing it was. Oh yeah, we we've talked about it on the show,
that's right, Yeah, we talked about it on the show Forever ago,
and then all of a sudden, I received two copies of it in
the mail, like one from one person and then one from Casey's dad,
and yeah, and so I was like, Okay, I guess I can
read it now. And I read it, and you were not lying,
my guy. That is that's like one of the most gripping books I've ever
read. Yeah, It's like, forget what it's even about. It's just
the way that it's written is like every chapter ends when you're like, oh,
I can't stop. Like it ends on an action point, dude,
every time, even like even the way that the book starts. I was
like, it got me immediately, dude. You know, And we're gonna
try not to like spoil too much. If you guys still want to go
out and watch it or read it, oh yeah, but if I would
better, Yeah, for sure, I would recommend like reading the book.
I've you know, I've been like talk to a lot of people who have
read the book and then also watched the movie. The general consensus, like
that I seem to be picking up on is that people don't people that have
read the book don't really fuck with the movie. Yeah, the movie was.
I mean, for all intents and purposes, it was kind of like
a critical flop, like it's just not a really good it didn't perform.
Well. Now they're just rated like twenty five percent. Yeah, I mean
the book's virtually always going to be better. Yeah. Yeah, but but
in this case, it really you know, honestly, I didn't mind the
movie. I didn't think it was like bad bad. I put a lot
of thought into it while I was watching it last night, and like,
I feel like it's because yeah, exactly, it's a good movie. Like
I literally just watched it last night for the first time, watching it,
you know, through, and I was like, you know, this is
actually good, like I expected it to be terrible. I just think it's
probably something to do with the fact that the majority of this book is like
high level intellectual material, right, and that doesn't really translate, it doesn't
translate into the film exactly. Yeah, because like a lot of the stuff
that's like dang it is like it's knowledge, it's information, yeah, you
know, and there's there's a couple of little gunfight type things, but it's
really not the point of it. No. I agree, Like the all
the parts of the book that made me get really really hype. Were like
like, you know, them talking about some ancient civilization or something ancient you
know, organization ever where I'm like, whoa, they're talking about that,
but they can't really show that in the movie, and the movie they do,
but it's like it's like the delivery is a little cheesy, you know.
I honestly think this story is just the format that fits it best is
it is a book. It's because everything stretched out further, so they set
up things you know that might you might not find out for a while because
you're reading it and it takes longer. But in the movie it's a lot
of chapters two ten minutes. There's like one hundred plus chapters. So yeah,
this this book is, this book is incredible and essentially what it's about
is there's this uh he's a symbologist, right, Yeah, he's like a
world renown professor of symbology. Yeah, world renowned press professor. Starts off,
he's like doing his book tour signing and doing the right conference thing.
Yeah, and he's just like in uh Europe in Paris, yep, and
he's just doing his thing. Where it's a sequel, right, the first
thing is God, what's it called Angels and Demons? Right? Well,
Angels and Demons is the sequel of this, isn't it. I thought it
was the other way around. I don't know, it doesn't really matter,
right, Yeah, yeah, it's like there are multiple Actually, Dan Brown
has written multiple novels with the same main character. What's his name, Dan
Brown? Robert Langdon, Yeah, Robert, that's right, that's right,
Yeah, Robert Langdon is in. I read another one, Demons Inferno.
There's that one you read about the Loss Freemasonry. Yeah, I forget what
it was called. It was honestly pretty forgettable. Angels and Demons is before
Da Vinci Code. It's about the illuminato Angels and Demons, Da Vinci Code,
the Lost Symbols, symbol, and origin. I've only read Da Vinci
Code and Lost Symbol, Lost Symbol is the sequel to this, and it
was honestly pretty forgettable. I found that it kind of followed the exact same
formula as Da Vinci Code, and when I realized that, it kind of
lost a lot of its luster. But anyway, just to give you guys
an idea of what the you know, I don't want to because we're we're
planning on really die deep into kind of the occult stuff that's talked about in
this book. Why it was so controversial, you know, like like get
into the nitty gritty of stuff like that. But I do think maybe we
breathe by the plot real quick, just so you yeah, what's happening.
I think like there's there's a few elements to this story. I forget it's
being a book or a movie. It's a story, right, Yeah,
And there's a few elements to it that make it so groundbreaking and so high
level. In my opinion, it's like, yeah, the first element of
any story, which is the storytelling, right, So the storytelling is just
superb. I mean it's like I had to read this in I think it
was freshman year of college, which was twelve years ago, and yeah,
I like wasn't thrilled about it, but I was like whatever, you know,
had to do it for an assignment. And I found that every night
when I had to read through like my assigned chapters to pace through, I
ended up reading five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten more
And I couldn't stop. And I finished the book in like two days.
Yeah, know, like I just was addicted. It's it's it's such a
well paced story. It's the way that it's the way that chapters are organized
large because some chapter there's a there are multiple chapters in there that are one
page, yeah, and they just they end on It's it's like this,
it's like okay, you know, someone rolls up hops out the suburban.
He points the gun, and then it's like end. It's like no,
it can't get here, like you gotta you gotta keep going. It's always
ending on an action point, and they have multiple plot points going on at
one time, all with action points that you're like patiently waiting for to see
what happened next. So it's it honestly plays out a lot like one piece.
Like you know, there's like three fights going on and they'll leave you
a cliffhanger for this's like multiple secret societies that are warring for like this information.
So then that's the element number two that makes it so high level.
Is aside from just like general storytelling, the material that's being worked with here
is very profound, like a cult information. Like actually I was exposed to
a lot of this stuff for the first time from this book, which is
crazy. I mean By the time I had read it, I had you
know, we had already been doing this show, so I had known a
good bit of it. But I think I think reading this book was the
first time that it clicked with me that like, wait, there are there
are tons of other highly intelligent people that know about this stuff and are even
writing fiction about it like it. It kind of clicked with me that like,
oh, this is more ubiquitous than I thought it was. This is
more you know, whatever than I thought it was. But so we decided
on the phone yesterday that because the story itself is so good, but also
because like the high level material is is this like occult knowledge that exists outside
of the story, Like it's it's pulling from very real, esoteric knowledge,
most of which we have talked on the show. We're just gonna like hit
those points. But I really feel like it should still be read, or
you know, if you don't care to read books, it should still be
watched, although you should understand I won't have the same impact, yeah for
sure. But yeah, yeah, we don't really want to like spoil the
story too much. I think we just kind of wanted to hop into the
stuff that it's like we'll talk about the reveals, but still leave the story
up to like you should experience how it plays out, absolutely, you know,
because it's a great story. Yeah and yeah, and you tell me
if I'm spoiling too much and if I need to dial back. But one
of the things that really grip me early early in the book, this is
one of the first things that happens, is the crime scene in the louver.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it's it's worth saying, like, we're
going to very generally spoil this story. Yeah there. You know. The
point is, we're not gonna focus very hard on the story, right,
you know, we're gonna we're gonna breeze past it. That's yeah, what
I'm trying to say. But so so basically, yeah, there's this crime.
The main character, Robert Langdon, he's doing a seminar. Yeah,
he's doing a semin are and somebody comes to his hotel room. No,
no, no, they come to him while he's signing books at the seminar.
Oh that's right, right, that's right. Yeah, and they roll
up. Well, I think is that how it is in the movie the
movie, I think it's different in the book. I'm pretty sure they wake
him up in the middle of the night. Oh okay, so I haven't
read the book in twelve Yeah, I watched the movie last night. Nick
recently read the book, so we're kind of cross referencing here. Yeah,
I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure they literally they just like came up to
his hotel room in the middle of the night. But anyway, yeah,
he gets uh he gets approached by the police and they're like, you're needed
at the Louver like now, and he's like, huh, like what what
if you don't know? The Louver is like one of the biggest, most
appreciated uh Art museums in the entire world. It's where the Mona Lise is.
Yeah, it's it's where I saw them. A lot of a lot
of da Vinci's work is there. You can go and see it. Uh
So, anyway, they're like, we need you at the Louver. There's
been a I don't know if they told him immediately was a it was a
m in the movie they did, Okay, they showed him a picture.
Okay, like that need you and then so what's in the picture? What's
on there? Right? It was a it was a dead body on the
picture. It was a dead body and on its like torso had been carved
like with a blade, with a blade a pentagram or a pentacle, you
know. And so Robert Langdon, being a professor of symbology, was like,
uh what And also it's worth saying that the body was it was spread
out in a Vitruvian man stance, like it looked like the body had been
posed. But he posed himself exactly and that's what interested Langdon. He he
saw that the body was posed, but then he also saw that the way
that it was carved could only have been like done by him. And he
was like, how did this guy? Like did this guy kill himself and
pose himself? Like this doesn't make sense. So he's like, okay,
I guess I gotta go check it out. What he doesn't know is they
suspect that he did it, right because he's this professor of you know,
symbology whatever. Uh so, yeah, that was that was the first thing
that really grabbed me. Well there's another reveal there. Why you think they
that? Why they the cops think that he did it? Which do you
remember? It's because the cop was part of Opus day. Oh of course,
right. He got a call saying he did it. Get in there
and get in the confessor, right exactly. There are multiple like shadow organizations
working at play, or maybe not shadow organizations, but multiple organizations. You
got opis Day. You have the Knights Templar, Priory of Sion, the
Priory of Zion. Those are the three main and the Prior of Zion and
the Knights Templar are like they're like connected, yeah, but they're like separate
entities, which is crazy. I didn't know until I read the book and
did research afterwards or whatever. Opus Day is a real is a real organization
technically always priory of Scion, right, but not as it exists in the
movie. Right. I was going to go into that. I wrote that
down as well, that the priority of Scion is like very it's nineteen fifty
six. Yeah, it wasn't even really worth going into in the in this
episode because because in reality it's rosa cruc But you know, Opus Day,
while it is slightly exaggerated in the film and the book, it's actually a
real thing, and they are they are kind of like scrutinized by the Catholic
Church for for the same reasons they are in the story. But they're just
maybe not as extreme, you know, like the self mutilation stuff, and
it's it's it's kind of like a like a Catholic cult. It's like a
culti sect of Catholicism, just like in the Divinia Code exactly exactly, but
it's it's represented way more extreme in the Dvinci Code though. I hunt down
people with weapons, yeah, assassinating people. Yeah. So okay, yeah,
that's kind of your first hint in the in the story that like there's
something kind of there's something very significant going on here because when Langdon goes and
inspects the body, he finds he finds so many weird coincidences and weird synchronicities
and symbols and all of this stuff around the body. He even finds where
did he find the message? There was a message written. It was beside
the body, but it was like they needed like a black light and there
was a message that said something like it said s no I said PS yes
PostScript right, he like like a message PS find Robert Langdon. Right,
But which is why they they kind of like thought that Robert did it because
Robert Langdon is right. They thought maybe the victim knew that it was him
and wrote it down or whatever. But in reality, the guy who whose
body it was, Sony Air, wasn't that name Sonya, I think Sonye.
Yeah. I mean he did it himself, and he wrote all this
stuff down, and he wrote to find Robert Langdon because he knows that he's
like the most genius symbology expert in the world. But you find out that
the ps also was a secret, meaning it was Princess Sophie. Princess,
so he called his granddaughter Princess Sophie. Right. So at this point in
the movie, Sophie has already or in the book, Sophie has already showed
up, right, Yeah, she's on the crime scene because I guess she's
like somehow in the police force. She is, so she just kind of
likestigate her. Yeah, so she showed up on the scene and kind of
like bluff that she was involved. Cryptology is what she does. Cryptology,
you know, like like codes and stuff like that, right, right,
Yeah, I forgot about that part. So that makes sense because she's trying
to crack the codex s exactly. I missed that the beginning. Yeah,
she's she works on the force in the cryptology department whatever. Yeah, so
she's there, and it's just it's just getting crazy. It's you know,
it's not worth going too into right now as far as the plot goes,
because I don't want to spoil anything. But there's a lot of symbols to
discuss. A lot. Yeah, So first of all, the pentacle and
they talk about they talk about like the original origin, like the origin of
the pinnacle, the true meaning of the pinnacle. By the way, this
is just a little aside. Sophie, her name is the it's the Greek
word for knowledge or wisdom. Well, it's also like the Gnostic Sophia,
the goddess exactly, exactly, Yeah, same exact thing. So this is
a quote actually from the book. This whole story is about Oh shit,
I lost my page. This whole story is about the existence of the goddess
and the divine Mother. Yeah, this is a quote from the book.
Early religion was based on the divine order of nature. The goddess Venus and
the planet Venus were one and the same. The goddess had a place in
the nighttime sky and was known by many names. Venus the Eastern star is
Star, as Stark, Astarte, as Startey, all of them powerful female
concepts with ties to nature and Mother Earth? Did you also know this?
Is this I never knew and really really blew my mind. Did you know
that, like Venus and Earth, the way that they orbit one another every
I think three hundred and sixty five days make it a perfect pentagram. No,
I didn't know that. It's the most insane thing I've ever seen.
I looked it up. It's like, that's too that's just too weird.
You know, that's eerie like Venus. You know, Venus is going all
the way around Earth and then there's a it's it's making a star in the
middle of the circle like justice, or maybe it was Pythagoras said, it's
the harmony of the spheres man like, it's the macrocaus and the celestial bodies.
There's a frequency and an order and a song and a dance to it.
It's very precise. It's it's it's impossible to exist without some sort of
intelligent mind thinking it into reality. Yeah, it's like, uh, you
know the pentacle. If you look at the you know, pinnacle or pentagram
whatever the circle on the outside represents I believe the masculine energy and then the
pinnacle itself on the inside with the five points is the feminine energy. I
believe that's how it was explained. Usually things with lines and points are more
masculine and the rounded edges. Yeah yeah, maybe, Oh that makes sense
because look at the Vitruvian man. It's the man in the middle making the
star with his you know, body, and then there's a circle around him.
But that also makes sense with the male and female body, doesn't it,
where men have typically more broader shoulders with a narrow, triangled waist,
where women are more curvy. Yeah, it's by design. It's the same
with symbology. It's the more rounded soft shapes or feminine like the circles and
things like that, and then you have triangles and lines are more masculine.
Yeah that makes sense. Yeah. And so also in the book so Sognier,
Soignier, whatever is Sophie's who is the cryptologist? Her grandfather? You
know, you find that out at some point through the through the book,
I like pretty much minutes later she pulls she pulls them in the bathroom.
She's like, that's my grandfather. There after you we need to get out
of here, you know. So there there was there was something I wanted
to say there. So we're moving again. We're breezing through the plot.
So okay, so we're getting to a point to where the police that were
kind of like after them, trying to get him on the murder, even
though he had no clue about it and he had nothing to do with it.
So we're just we're getting past the part. They're gone, right,
So they're dealt with. They had a little ruse to get him out of
there. So now the main characters, Robert and Sophie, they are still
in the museum because they kind of like had a distraction and they got the
police to leave. You know, remember that she out the window, went
in the truck and they're gone. So they're alone in the museum now.
So they go back to the body and they start looking at all the clues
and they find that it's an anagram. Remember I don't remember what it said,
but it was like the long con of man is dark or something like
that. Minute specifically said like da Vinci the mona Lisa exactly. It was
an anagram for yeah, da Vinci, right, Leonardo DaVinci, mona Lisa
whatever. The writing was, yeah, And it was the Fibonacci sequence.
Remember that's another big one a bit the first time I ever came into contact
with that. Really. Yeah. Okay, so they're like, oh,
shoot, he was leading us to the Mona Lisa. Yeah. So they
go to the Mona Lisa and they start like they start explaining, or Robert
starts explaining some of the like esoteric history behind Leonardo da Vinci, how he
was involved with. I don't know if he comes right out and says the
priory of Sion yet, but he does at some point, so I'm just
gonna say he did. Either way, we'll explain that. So he says,
you know, he's explaining how there's this like esoteric symbology behind da Vinci's
art, and he's like, look at the left side of the Mona Lisa's
face, it's proportionally bigger. They were always in ancient times showing the left
side to be bigger than the right. And then he said it was veneration
of the femininity because historically the left side was considered female and the right side
was considered male. Now I want to pause there for a second. That's
a really deep statement because that's also like the Eyes of Horace and Raw where
the right eye is the eye of raw, it's that active solar power.
And then the left eye is the eye of Horus, it's that lunar power.
Or I've been really getting into pronayama lately, which is like alternate nostril
breathing. It's like Hindu biovetic science, you know, and like there's this
technique called the naughty the Nati Shodhana pronayama, which is this subtle energy channel
purification breathing technique where the idea is that the right nostril again the right side
is masculine solar and the left side is feminine lunar. Right, so it's
like you're stimulating the different nostrils to breathe, and there's evidence that shows that
it impacts the central nervous system, right, like when you're regulating the flow
between both nostrils. Modern science shows that I know this, I'm going to
bring it back to the monosa thing. But modern science even shows that at
any given point during the day, whether you're conscious of it or not,
you're actually dominantly breathing heavier and one nostril and it alternates throughout the day subconsciously.
I've noticed that though first you don't have control over it. It's just
automatically, depending on your mental state, you're predominantly breathing through an alternate nostril.
So the ancient iovetic yogis were like, well, we can regulate that
and bring it into balance by curing the energy channels and for a set amount
of time consciously breathing through both to regulate that. But my point is there's
so many different cultures and so many different spiritual practices throughout the world in ancient
times where this unifying concept existed that the right side, the right eye of
raw, the you know, the solar breathing, the esoteric symbology and painting
through the rosicrucians, and YadA YadA YadA, masculine and feminine, yin and
yang. This concept has always existed. Yeah, it's across every practice,
right, you know, and it's it's just it's mind blowing. But yeah,
so in this very like beginning portion of this story, you already are
getting dumping this on you. Oh yeah, I mean they are not making
it, koy, They're not hiding it. This dude is sprawled out in
a a Truvian man with a pinnacle on his chest, with crypt like a
cryptic symbology written beside him. He's sending them on a goose chase, all
this stuff, and you know, you still at this point have no clue
why this is happening, Like, you still don't know why. You know
that they're kind of figuring out some clues and pointers, but you have no
idea, like why is this happening? You know, it's not until pretty
significant, it's pretty far in. It's pretty far in. Yeah. So
I don't remember when they mentioned about like Da Vinci being Priory of Scion or
Isaac Newton or pretty early on. So yeah, so as as they started
investigating the murder, and then they go to the Mona Lisa and then they
get the black lic thing, they find more evidence, and then you know,
they go to another painting. I think it's like something on the Rocks,
Madonna on the Rocks. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and they keep
finding these clues to go to like other paintings or whatever. But eventually,
after they leave the museum, the professor Robert gets wise and he asks Sophie,
He's like, as your grandfather ever mentioned something called the priory of Sion
to you? And she's like, you know, clueless. I don't know,
you know, I haven't talked to him in twenty years. But you
know, come to find out, when she was little, she walked in
on them having some sort of sex ritual, right, so like traumatized in
like his basement or something like that. It was somewhere in his yard.
Yeah, I mean not in the yard, but like in a building in
the yard. Yeah, you're supposed to walk in there, and yeah,
it traumatizes her because she's so confused and it seems like weird. It is
like some weird tantric ritual, right, right, come to find out,
of course it was like harmless. They weren't. Actually it wasn't anything dangerous
or it was just a celebration of the divine, masculine and feminine, you
know what, that sort of thing. But to her, like she's like
nine years old, to her child, she's just traumatized. So she grows
up and she she never you know, never really talks to him ever again.
Yeah, but you know, come to find out he he was the
grand Master. Yeah it was. Yeah. So that's that's the whole point.
Just just breezing through the plot again, it's like the whole premise here
is it's like a murder mystery crime thriller where this guy Robert is just this
innocent professor who's extremely high level esoteric symbologist. Yeah, and he's just kind
of like yanked into this world trying to solve the riddle left behind from the
Grandmaster. So he's like following these clues. But like it's really cool because
without saying like how he finds them or what necessarily happens or the betrayals or
the character deaths and this, that and the other, the clues that he
does find are very dense with esoteric symboloic begnificance. Like, for example,
you know, the Priory of Scion, as explained in the Da Vinci Code,
as it's explained, does not exist in real life, right, you
know, like we said Priory of Scion was created in like nineteen fifty six
or something like that. Yeah, but you know, just think out of
the box a little bit. If you actually read the story, he comes
right out the character and he says that Sir Isaac Newton was the leader of
the Priory of Sion, which very interesting. There's a lot of evidence that
shows the fact that Isaac Newton it's not like one hundred percent confirmed, but
there's more evidence as always being found. Isaac Newton and Da Vinci were both
actually members of the Masons. Rosicrucians. Oh sorry, yes, that's what
I mean. That's that's the point, which, dude, think even further
about it. What's the symbol on the cryptics? Yeah, so like we
we know that they're referencing, and they do reference the Masons. It's funny
because it's almost like the book just takes priory of scion and kind of makes
that affront for Rosicrucians exact because everything they say about the priory of sion in
the book is like, is real knowledge, real rosic Yes, so I
think Dan Brown, like, you know, it's like he added a faulty
chain there to give like a layer of separation. Separation. Yeah, but
it's very obviously, I mean, straight up it's Rosicrucis. Dude. He's
literally as like Sir Isaac Newton was a leader he talks about and there's a
lot of like Masonic literature in here too. I have a bookmark part I'm
gonna read a little bit o sweet later. Yeah. But so so I
mean essentially, uh yeah, you you go through, you find out that
the the grandfather is the grand Master. They keep getting led to all this
different stuff. They go to this bank to where the grandfather Sonier has like
this special vault box. Yeah. They go to this super high tech like
lockdown. Yeah. I think it was called the Swift Swiss vault or something
like that. Anyway, they go there, they figure out the Grandpa's password,
they get in, which was the Fibonacci sequence it was, which is
esoteric in its own right, super because it's like the formula of life,
right Yeah, it's like how where everything gets that's golden frequency, right that
I learned about that from the first time ever from this book really, which
is funny because Dad included Fibonacci in his book. That's amazing. Yeah.
So and then they find in the lock box. The only thing in there
was a crypt x rhich. If you don't know what a cryptex is,
it's like this, it's essentially there. It can take many different forms,
but it's like a physical like puzzle slash. It was a da Vinci invention,
right, Yeah. And the specific one that da Vinci designed is very
similar to the one that's used in uh the book and movie of Da Vinci
code. It's like this like cylinder kind of thing. It's got like papyrus
wrapped up in the middle of it with like some secret message. But it
has a little glass vial of vinegar. So if you try to like force
the codex open, it'll break viral shatter and it'll destroy the document. So
you got to have a precise password spending these dials with letters on it or
symbols. And yeah, so, like the majority of the book, they're
trying to figure out what the password. I don't remember what the password is,
but I don't either, But hey, that's good because we can't.
We won't spoil it for them. Yeah, but yeah, so a big
reveal there is when they find the codex. This is about I don't I
don't know in terms of the book, but in the movie it's about halfway
through, it's fine, decently far through, and they get the codec and
the symbol on it, which is a major plot reveal because there's been no
mention of a rose yet at this point. But when Robert Langton grabs it,
he's like holy shit, you know, like his reaction. It's a
rose. It's a five pedaled white rose. So check it out. A
rose is also a pentacle, a symbol of female reproductive power, a longitudinal
marker, a navigational symbol, and the Holy Grail itself and Dan Brown's universe.
This is what the rose represents, all of these things. It's many
incarnations make it a potent symbol. A rose adorns the wooden box containing the
keystone. Da Vinci's Vitruvian Man has laid out in a five pointed star pattern,
just like the five pointed pedal, the five pedaled rose, the pinnacle,
and the Venus star. In goddess cults and real human history, the
rose has close associations with femininity, the five pedals of the rose symbolizing the
five stations of female life, birth, menstruation, motherhood, menopause, and
death. The rose is also associated with the goddess Venus like he said earlier,
whose functions include love, sex, and fertility. And then in the
movie, the rose line or in the book as well, the rose line
or the zero degree longitudinal line used for navigation, represents guidance, as navigators
use stars to chart their course. So I had another give me a second.
Okay, there's a church in Paris where this longitudinal line. It's called
the Arago meridian line. This is a real you know, like the Meridians,
you know, the lines runn across the planet or whatever. There's one
that runs through Paris that's like extremely significant to the whole longitude latitude system.
It's like one of the original calculations of this that was made by someone named
Arago in the seventeen hundreds. There's like one hundred and thirty five different markers
in the city of Paris. You can see them on the street and it's
like little gold plaques that that'll say like a Rago line, like you're crossing
the line where the intersection of time zones and everything that's measured is separated right
here on the spot. It's you know what I'm saying, Like it's so
important to them that there's markers all over the city of Paris. But in
the book and in the movie, they don't call them the Aarrago meridian line.
They call them the Rose line. Yes, and they have like this
esoteric spin on it that it's like this basically so this the character remember Silas
the Ller, the albino monk, exactly. We haven't even talked about him
there's a nun in that church and she's telling him. I just I ripped
a quote from the movie. She said, a rose line is any line
that goes from the north to south poles set into the streets of Paris.
One hundred and thirty five brass markers, And this is true. I looked
it up. One hundred and thirty five brass markers mark the world's very first
prime meridian, which passes through this very church. Again, it was calculated
in the seventeenth century, developed by an astronomer named Francois Arago in the nineteenth
century. So it's just crazy. Like there there's a lot of esoteric literature
and symbology in Paris that the movie covers, you know, like the the
formation of Freemasonry, the whole the Louver and we haven't even talked about that
yet, but there's right, yeah, you know the two pyramid thing,
yes, yes, yes, yes, yeah, Roslyn Chapel, which I
do think that was in Scotland. But you know, Freemasons were founded in
France. I did not, yep, I didn't. There's the French Freemasons
who brought us a statue of liberty. Wow, dude, and I wonder
when, because I was part of my research during this was trying to find
any proof or evidence that would suggest when the Knights Templar became the Freemasons.
I'm not exactly sure, right, I was then the freemason started. Let
me look it up, Yeah, I was. I was trying to look
it up and find it. And I mean, there's a lot of compelling
evidence that you know, there are there are I here, actually I think
I wrote it down. There's all kinds of eyewitness accounts. Actually I might
be wrong, Freemasonrly, freemasonry might not have started in France where they're saying
that it could have just generally emerged out of stone masonry guilds in the Middle
Ages, like, not necessarily from a particular country. Some people say England.
I don't know. Yeah, I'm seeing organized in seventeen seventeen in England.
So then the uh, it'd be hundreds of years after the Templars died,
right, So then the attack that happened on Friday the thirteenth, what
I mean, what city did that attack? Was that out of the Vatican.
I'm not sure where. I mean, I know it happened in France,
but I don't write because so here's the thing, there are multiple there
are many eyewitness accounts from that time, from right around that date, even
as close to that date as the very like week that that attack happened,
of people in Scotland specifically, that's where the most eyewitness accounts come from,
seeing templar ships like like seeking refuge and landing in Scotland. Wow, there
are many eyewitness accounts of Now I'm confused because I feel like I've heard that
freemasonry started in Scotland and what do I know? Right, I'm not sure,
but it is significant in France. It's significant in France, it's significant
in Scotland. You have Scottish righte freemasonry, Yeah, you have. Which
also it's like, think about the the whole involvement of the Grail, like
a lot of those legends come from. Let's get into that, because we
haven't. That's the most important part of the book and we haven't even mentioned
it. So you find out through there, through the two main characters searching
that the true mystery that they're trying to unveil, the true mystery that the
priory of Scion was after and Opus Day is after and the knights Templar were
after and all these players. It's about the Holy Grail. But in this
story, which by the way, is based on many real publications where this
was theorized many I have them written down, many real publications, that the
Holy Grail was actually Mary Magdalen and her location of the location of her tomb,
well more so her bloodline, that's what I mean, right, her
children, but her decision. If you find the body, then you can
prove the lineage. But this, yeah, but this, this is a
real This is not just like made up by this book. Like. This
is a real esoteric belief. And it goes so far as to call it
the Merovingian bloodline exactly. I wrote about the Maravingians. So let's see.
Do you remember in uh it was either the Matrix two or three, a
character the Maravingian you remember wait? Oh yeah, oh my god, Okay,
I think it was Matrix three. I can't remember, so let's see.
Yeah. Part of the legend cites the Maravingian dynasty, which ruled France
from the fifth to the eighth century, and which was descended from Jesus Christ
and his wife Mary Magdalene. It was passed down through a secret bloodline called
the Sangreal, which is mentioned plenty in the book, which like translates to
like royal bloodline or something like that. Yeah. Maravnian kings were also known
as holy Kings and were considered invested with divine authority, as they supposedly has
had the holy blood of Jesus Christ in their veins. This story originated in
the twelfth century book perceval Or The Tale of the Grail. That's the full
title, perceval Or The Tale of the Great They also make reference I'm sorry
to cut, but they also make very subtle reference, at least in the
movie. Again, it has been a while since I've read the book,
but they make very subtle reference in passing the the King Arthur Grail myth.
Yes, but instead of being check this. At one point in the movie,
Robert says, when they're talking to the Ian McKellen character, you remember,
yes, the older t T being Ting, it's t Lee t being
or something. Yeah, professor right, he's like the fanatical expert of the
Secret Society or whatever. Yep, yeah, yeah. Prior to sign they're
talking to him and you know this girl, Sophie keep in mind to the
audience, listening. She has no clue of this esoteric shit because she hated
it because she walked in on her grandpa conducting like a ritual, yeah,
like literally like a ritual sex magic thing when she was a little girl.
So she ran away. She never came back, so she didn't want anything
to do with any of it. And she's typical like traumatized, like I
hate history, I don't care about any of this, you know, just
get to the point whatever. So there's a lot of dialogue where they're kind
of like they're teaching the viewer or the reader by teaching Sophie, you see
what I'm saying. There's a lot of this dialogue being expounded to Sophie.
So there's one point where they're explaining to her with the most ancient icons for
God are or for like you know, male and female, and it's like
known as the blade, the upward keep in mind the blade, right,
the upward pointed triangle, and then the chalice, the grail, which is
the downward pointed triangle, which is the womb, you know, and you
have the upward pointed one. What's that like the obelisk, the sword of
Arthur, and the stone right, the Hammer of Thor or the hammer of
freemasonry is this phallic, masculine, powerful object. But then you have the
womb or the grail, the chalice. It contains the holy blood of life
for children or whatever like exactly. But but what do you get when you
but also what if you merge them? What symbol? Do you get a
six pointed star like this? Yes? Yes, you take the upward pointing
triangle and the downward pointing triangle and you merge them, you get the six
pointed star, which is you know, and the cool thing is in the
book while you're reading it, they they're explaining all of this, and then
they'll actually put in like little pictures of it, like of the the two
triangles like overlapping and becoming the six points. I just saw it when I
flipped through really book. Yeah, I literally just saw it. That was
one of the coolest parts for me because it's like, yeah, there it
is right there, right here. They can't see. That was a mind.
I mean, this thing is like showing you symbols start this book.
It's really cool. Yeah, you can see it. Yeah. So that
whole previous paragraph before it is talking about it is basically exactly what Ryan was
just saying, how the upward triangle is masculine, the bottom one, the
lower facing one, is feminine. And then it just shows you the symbol
and you're like, oh, you know who else told me that? In
person? Who? Tim Taylor? Really? The Department of Defense. Yeah,
that was when I first realized that the people in the CIA and in
these high level intelligence societies. Oh dude, I just opened up to a
heavy hitting passage. All that thought, Okay, but anyway, Yeah,
so Tim Taylor, he came around twenty thirteen. He started talking to us.
He had a shirt that had a or boris on it. He started
talking to me. Dude, I was like twenty. He started talking to
me about like sacred geometry, upward triangle, downward triangle being masculine and feminine,
merging them together. It's like God, the forces alife. I mean,
anyway, check this out. I just opened to a random passage.
These two pillars are the most duplicated architectural structures in history. Replicas exist all
over the world. They're at the Roslin Chapel, which is a real place.
I think it's in Scotland. Replicas of Roslin. She looked skeptical,
no of the pillars. Do you remember earlier that I mentioned Roslin itself as
a copy of Solomon's temple. Those two pillars are exact replicas of the two
pillars that stood at the head of Solomon's temple. Langdon pointed to the pillar
on the left that's called bo Az or the Mason's pillar. The other is
called Jacquin, or the apprentice pillar. He paused, In fact, virtually
every Masonic temple in the world has two pillars like these. Fun fact,
the catacombs in France, they're painted on the doorways Boas and Jaquin. Oh
right, I have pictures. Yeah, yeah, that's so great. And
then it said Langdon has already explained to her about the templar's powerful historic ties
to the modern Masonic secret societies, whose primary degrees apprentice Freemason, fellowcraft Freemason,
and Master Mason harked back to early Templar days. Sophie's grandfather's final verse
made direct reference to the master Masons who adorned Roblin Roblin Roblin Roslin with their
carved artistic offerings. It also noted Roslyn's central ceiling, which was covered with
carvings of stars, and planets check this out when they get to Rosslyn Chapel,
often called the and this is a real place too. That's what's so
good about this book is it's like it's got all this material, but it's
like based on all real stuff. Yeah. And I would say like a
large portion of it is untainted, like real true history. But you know
they obviously flare something. It's dramatized. Yeah. So. Roslin Chapel,
often called the Cathedral of Codes, stands seven miles south of Edinburgh, Scotland,
on the site of an ancient Mithraic temple built by the Knights Templar in
fourteen forty six. The chapel is engraved with the mind bogging arrays of symbols
from the Jewish, Christian, Egyptian, Masonic, and Pagan pagan traditions.
The chapel's geographic coordinates fall precisely on the north south meridian that runs through Glastonbury.
The longitudinal rose line is the traditional marker of King Arthur's Isle of Avalon
and is considered the central pillar of Britain's sacred geometry. It is from this
hallowed rose line that Roslin originally spelled Roslin. It's just a different spelling texts
its name Roslind's Rugged Spiers were casting long evening shadows as Robert Langdon and Sophie
Nevi. These are the characters of the book. Yeah, pulled their rental
car into the grassy parking area at the foot of the bluff. I believe
they were like lead here for the final piece of the mystery, because it
was like Isaac Newton's gravesite or something something special about Isaac Newton right that he
was Well, was it Isaac Newton's that they were trying to get to or
was it? Yeah, because I'm looking for the apple, I think it's
I think it's hey poop, pope poop. I think it's a pope.
Oh, what it is is they were looking for Sir Isaac Newton. But
what they didn't realize is he was buried by Alexander Pope, right, because
the riddle said a pope buried by a pope, But it was a pope.
It was Alexander Pope right right. So then they get there and they
find the Apple of Eden, and they're looking at the grave side of Isaac
Newton and it has all this esoteric symbology, heavy emphasis on it being orbs
orbs of the celestial spheres of you know, the stars and the moon and
the planets and stuff. But yeah, I wanted to read that chapel because
it's like that that chapter. Yeah, my brain is like it's going faster
because there's so much material here that's like again it's real world esoteric literature.
It's just it's very mind blowing. Like I love the King Arthur, Shit,
I do too. I got some stuff about that too, because it's
unfolded that like they're trying to find the Holy Grail, and then it's also
later it's then unfolded that What that means meanes is that that this is pointing
them to the information of the lineage of Jesus Christ. This is suggesting that
Jesus Christ and Mary Magdalene were actually in fact married and they had children,
and that bloodline exists to this day. And that's that's what they like kind
of discover in the in the book. But that's actually heavily widely theorized in
other sort of thought, you know, like originally traditionally, the like kind
of vanilla belief of the Holy Grail is just like, oh, it's the
cup that Jesus drank from at the Last Supper, right, that was it.
But then also there's in a book called Merlin that was written in like
the fourteen hundreds or even before that. Are Mathia is that it? Or
is it Arimathea? I'm not sure. Matthia is in charge of guarding and
protecting the Holy Grail for those who are already familiar with Avalon the which is
the place where King Arthur is apparently buried. You know, it's all legend,
but apparently it's true. Other speculations say that Arthur himself was a direct
descendant of Christ and was tutored by Aramathea, who was actually Merlin. You
know, the book is called Merlin, but it's theorized that the author was
actually Merlin himself, who is using a pseudonym like a different name Arimathea.
So there's other speculations that Arthur is the blood line of Christ, even giving
rise to the legend of the sangreal royal blood, which is an alternative to
the theory of the Chalice object. So even in in you know, King
Arthur lore and legend, they there are certain you know, authors who write
about King Arthur and say that that was the point of the Holy Grail.
It was actually a symbol. And then there's one more example written by so.
According to the legend of Wolfram von Eskinbach, the grailstone was made of
a substance called Lapis exillis or exile stone, which supposedly fell from the sky
in the form of a meteorite. This stone was the Grail's source of power
in life, and only those the exilestone Lapis exillis. Okay, why because
I've I've also heard it said that that stone was moldivite. Well, check
this out, fell from space. Check this out. This stone was the
Grail source of power in life, and only those who were pure in heart
and virtuous could approach it and use its powers. Which is almost identical to
another famous stone. It's a story from like Asia. It's called the Chintomond
money stone, the Chintamani stone, which which is also like the Emerald of
Lucifer. It's like this, this exact story of this powerful stone. Wish.
Yeah, it's it's being repeated over and over and over, and you
can kind of surmise that they're all talking about the same thing. It's the
same as like the philosopher's stone. It's there may not be a stme,
it's like an esoteric metaphor about reaching enlightenment. So I don't know if you're
reaching knowledge. I don't know if you knew this. But there's there's this
like acronym that initiates and alchemists and like seekers use to sort of try and
gauge if one of these legends is like legit or not. And it's this
acronym called vitriol. Yeah, yeah, it's crazy. So it's that is
blowing my mind because that's in the movie as above, so below it is.
Yes, So vitriol is a Latin acronym that stands for the phrase visita
interiora terre rectificondo in Vinnie's Occultum lapid them I know, I butchered that,
but which in uh Latin translates to visit the interior of the earth and rectifying
you will find the hidden stone. No shit, yeah, that's what it
means. Bro. That's in the movie below, like a cultum means hidden,
lapidam means stone. Yeah, yeah, that's exactly what it means.
Visit the interior of the earth and rectifying, which is just like purifying you
will find the hidden stone. But I also feel like that means like know
thyself, you know, like it's a psychosocratey said, know thyself like right
meditation, the death of the ego to reach enlightenment. Yeah, because like
at the at the bottom of the rabbit hole of all this esoteric literature,
the point of all of it is reaching in awakened state of consciousness. You
know, it's through it's through just complete purification of the ego. So I
felt like, you know, you're visiting the interior of the earth. It's
as above so below that that's you, that's your infinite inner state. Yeah,
it's like by delving deep into the earth to yourself, that's how you
know yourself, know thyself right exactly. So it's also in as above so
below that know thyself thing. Yeah, that's pretty sure. So you can
kind of there's kind of like multiple interpretations of what exactly the Grail like was.
It's just this story focuses on like it being an allegory or like it
being the blood line of Christ. I feel like that's I feel like that's
what the legend actually is. But it's like is it true? You know
what I mean? Like I have a hard time thinking, oh, well,
maybe it is just a cup. Well no, I mean, well,
so the reason that they make sense, the reason that like at least
like the the basic vanilla reason that like they think all these people are looking
for the Holy Grail is because you know, it also held Jesus' blood in
it. You know, when they say sacrificed him, they filled his grail
up with his blood, like which was you know whatever, And so they
think that that's the story goes, they stabbed him, but he bled water
right in the then they filled it up the cup. And so that's like
the basic understanding of it. So people think that because it held his blood
in the chalice, it like gave the chalice special powers or whatever. But
take just a tiny little bit of like a symbolic understanding of that, what
does that mean? The blood is power, the blood is power, the
bloodline is power exactly, you know what I mean, Like, just just
get a little symbolic with it, and it's not that far of a leap.
And then, you know, really, other than those two kind of
like schools of thought, the only other thing that people think the Grail could
really truly represent is just like the philosopher's stone, like the same thing as
a philosopher's stone. You get it and you just you know, you have
the power to manifest whatever you want. Yeah, it's like not the idea
is that there isn't a physical object, but in reality it's reaching enlightenment,
right, exactly the key to enlightenment. And then so another piece of this
puzzle that the book heavily implies, but that you have to dig a little
bit to find examples of in real history is the Knights Templar's involvement with the
Grail. So check this out. I got a quote from two of the
characters, Robert and Sophie, when they're having a conversation. Uh huh.
So it's like Robert said, any story of the Priory, which again we're
going to assume that he's really referencing Freemasons or rosicrusions because their histories are tied.
You know, it's very similar bodies of knowledge. Yeah, but he
said any story of the Priory soon ended in bloodshed. They were butchered by
the Church. It all started a thousand years ago when the French king conquered
the Holy City of Jerusalem. It was all orchestrated by a secret brotherhood,
the Priory of Scion and the military arm the Knights Templar. Then Sophie says,
but the Templars were created to protect the Holy Land, I thought,
And Robert says, well, that was a cover to hide their true goal.
According to this myth, supposedly the invasion was to find an artifact lost
since the time of Christ, an artifact it was said the Church would kill
to possess. Then the story, like the Da Vinci code book movie whatever,
it actually expounds on the real history of Friday the thirteenth. Yeah,
how the Pope and the King of France had this covert operation to just like
assassinate all the Templars all at once, and it does the whole Friday the
thirteenth thing burned at the State YadA, YadA, YadA. So yeah,
very cool how it connects the Templars there. Yeah, it is really cool
how it's done in the book. And if you do a little bit of
digging into history, like the history of the Templars and that brutal attack on
Friday the thirteenth, you'll find that many Nights were being you know, they
were torturing them, they were interrogating them like it was really really awful,
but they were trying to get information out of them, and the torture information
out of them, and many of them in that torture divulged the same bit
of information, which is that they held Grail rituals. They held like like
significant magical rituals where the centerpiece was like a symbol of the Grail. It
obviously wasn't the Grail. But they're like low key like almost like worshiping the
Grail. They absolutely were mystical, like, oh for sure. So the
official version, again, I'm not saying this is the true version. I'm
saying it's the official version of history. Why like the French king and the
Pope wanted to kill the templars was they were claiming that they were worshiping the
devil. They were worshiping Bapha met right. They were claiming that they were
killing people, drinking blood out of skulls, scrying into the blood and the
skulls, and having just these strange satanic rituals and stuff. And there were
some templars under the duress of torture who admitted to that. But then it's
like, well they're being tortured. So it's like, you know, or
are you just trying to get out of torture. No, no, not
even Grail rituals. Some of them said, yes, we really do that
stuff. Yes, we really worshiped the doubt. So it's like, is
it true they're being tortured? You know, because you know, all these
other ones are saying this stuff. So it's like, we really don't know
unless we're a part of some society that's held their information, see, like
unless we joined the modern Freemasons or Templar, well that really know what they
did, you know. But so is there any of these societies out there
that is known to be like intimately tied to the legend of the Holy Grail?
Like are there are there any of them? Because I mean I found
like a little bit of stuff on the real priory of Zion. Do you
remember when for a brief time I studied with a Rosa Crucian named doctor Robert
Gilbert, Like brief time, brief time. I took a few courses with
him, right, he had a course called Grail Traditions and Mysteries. I
never took that one, but I I can't remember the one that I did
took. I think it was just like spirit science, just like a general
idea of be a cult. Yeah, I know, that's where I learned
it from spiritual science. Yeah, that's occult science, I think. I
think Rudolf Steiner has a book called Occult Science. But that's where I got
the name for spirit science. But yeah, no, that that is something
that the Rosicrucians and the Freemasons do talk about. I mean again, it's
like, I'm not a part of these orders, so I can't know everything
they say. Although I am kind of inclined to start getting more involved with
Rosicrucianism to try to like see what their material is about. I kind of
feel that inclination too, because it's not like Freemason's where you got to go
to a lodge drink beerwidge or homies on Friday night and learn all these secrets.
And I forgot my recital today, I didn't memorize my little Latin quotes
or whatever. You go. You know, rose CRUs is not like that.
It's more you just learn. Yeah, it's all online. You don't
even have to meet anybody in person. My fear up front was like,
if I was to get involved in any of these kind of orders. Would
this be the kind of information that I couldn't share with people? Because clearly
my only reason for ever learning this kind of knowledge would be to share with
people. I want to share with people. And I was like, well,
what's the point in getting further with something if I can't even talk about
it? That's just really stupid. Yeah, it's really stupid. Why would
I do that? Right? Yeah, it would be honestly more, It
would make more sense just to do the research on your own. That's why
I've been doing it that way. Yeah. Yeah, make no pacts or
promises with anybody that you're not going to tell anybody if you find the information
yourself, Like you don't. You don't owe nobody nothing. And for anybody
out there that's like in their head, they're like, well, I'm a
part of the order, and I maybe yeah, well I've seen beings my
whole life, you know, so I understand the burden of having some crazy
experience that you want to share with people that people aren't ready to listen.
Right then, you know, somebody in the high level Freemasonry or some other
ritual or or magical order, they might say, well, people understand it.
So we're keeping a secret because they're not ready for this, and then
that I mean, you know, that's fine. I don't see it that
way, right. I see that the truth should be freely shared all the
time, one hundred percent of the time, whether they're ready or not,
and as your burden, you know. So that's that's me. That's why
I never got involved with any sort of order. But I'm kind of thinking,
man, I might dive into Rosicrucian stuff, like do your own research
on it. Bro. No, no, no, it's fifteen bucks a
month. You sign up online, they give you documents electronically. You just
read them. You don't even have to go to no agreement. There's no
agreement like not to talk about it as far as I know. Yeah,
you just you just study the material. I would love to read stuff like
that. I mean, the Rosicrucians are the probably the one, like initiate
order that I'm most like interested intrigued in. I know, we said we're
not going to really do comments, okay, but this this one I thought
was so like come on, bro, like really, oh god, listen,
we gotta comment on YouTube. Okay, let's do it. I don't
know if I've ever done this. Put it on blast. Let me find
it. I might have already passed it. Oh listen, you ready,
I can't believe I'm even highlighting this. It says we did the Wisdom Traditions
episode one. The scenes it says, I don't want to throw shade,
but this, this comment, this is what I deal with. This,
This is exactly why I'm like, I don't even need to defend myself here,
you know, But it's like, why do people who are not members
of the Rosie Crucian Order always speculate as to what we are and what we
do. Don't sit on the fence. Join the organization and find out for
yourself instead of reading books from people who never even have been members of the
order and think they are experts on the teachings when in actual fact they know
nothing except for their own self importance. There's a lot of like arrogance.
Yeah, you know, like I don't know, I don't want to know
who said it obviously or whatever. But like, listen, if you're if
you're genuinely trying to get people interested in the organization you're a part of,
or like invite them to learn these mysteries for themselves. That's not really the
attitude to have you know what I mean that kind of that kind of would
turn people off. I would think, Yeah, it's like fuck me for
like being really interested in something but like hesitant about fully getting involved because I'm
a public figure and I have a like I believe I have a responsibility to
be able to freely share knowledge of people. You know, It's like I
don't know that. Yeah, what's what's his name? Onoke? Onoke,
the dude from Arto, the fence sitter. Oh oh oh man, yeah,
ok right, what a deep cut, bro? Yeah, I think
it's Onoke. It's the only fence citter I've ever heard of that is a
deep cut, my guy. But yeah, it's like that, this is
what I deal with. Man. It's like it's like, damn, let
me be curious, bruh. Let me just be curious, as opposed to
if I did go and take some sort of oath and then I couldn't spell
the information, It's like, wow, fuck you dude. Yeah, you're
the people. Yeah, you're always gonna piss somebody, always. Always.
It's just it's just the nature of the thing. Man, You're always gonna
pie somebody off, like it's like I can't win. But no, I
have been thinking about getting more involved with the Rosicrucian stuff. Dude. It's
just like it's so interesting and like it really is so fascinating full disclosure,
Like I did. I did join for like two months last year. It's
again, it's fifteen bucks a month and you you get monographs sent to you
in electronically. And one thing that really turned me off was the some of
the very first I think they're called monographs. They're written by Alistair Crowley.
Oh so I'm like, yeah, that's bullshit, Like I'm not really interested
in that. But also like when you read what they're saying, it's like
it's not bad, it's not bad stuff. And we have to remember that
he was a part of different ritualistic orders. So it's like, I don't
know, man, It's like I don't I don't want to have to sit
here and try to like justify the shit I'm reading, just like I wanna,
well, yeah, just let go, let go of all judgment and
justification and all of that, and and just view it as nothing more than
an observer, a witness. You view view the content as nothing. Don't
don't, don't associate any of your personal feelings to you know what you're reading,
what it is, whatever, Just absorb the information and then you'll you'll
form your own opinion later. Who cares if alex Ter Crowley wrote about those
things in the beginning, you know he's a fucking Weirdoh sure, but he'd
be spitting sometimes. Well. I was saying more along the lines of like,
how stupid of them to include that material, sure, to invoke that
reaction in people, But maybe it was intentional. Maybe maybe it's to show
that there is a belief I have. Again, it's like, how can
we know that there is a belief that a lot of that public facing material
about Aleisterair Crowley was intentional to shock people, to try to prevent from engaging
in the material. But see me, I'm just like, shame on you,
Like your intentions are wrong and you've lost me. Yeah, But I
mean, who knows it could have been for a different intention. We truly
don't know. Maybe they were thinking, like we need to show both sides
of this coin and show that the truth doesn't pick a side, It is
simply the truth, and you pick the side for yourself. Yeah, maybe
it's something like that. You never know. It's also it's like, don't
throw the baby out with the bathwater too. It's like again it's like if
Alister Crowley is depraved of an individual he may have been, that doesn't mean
that he didn't have the capacity to report on material. Yeah, It's like
it's like, just because you know, I don't like the color brown,
doesn't mean I can't paint with it exactly, you know what I mean?
Or just just because I don't know, it's like just not everything that somebody
says is wrong, just it's logic. It's it's just because it's them saying
exactly right, Like it's logic. And when you read the monographs that I
think it's like Library seven seven seven and Library eight eight eight, it's not
bad material. I'm just like, well, really, we're gonna come right
out the gate reading Alister Crowley, Like that's not exciting to me. Yeah.
Yeah. When you when you go from like like exoteric like religion,
normal whatever, to like this kind of deep occult stuff there, it can
feel very like gray area sometimes where you're like is this bad? Yeah?
Exactly do I need to justify this? So? So maybe you know,
it could be something like that, like them just showing you up front,
like here's Alex almost said alex Ter Crowley. Here's Aleister Crowley, like like
saying some shit that actually makes sense, even though you know of him as
a depraved person. So like some of the ship he said made sense exactly.
That's the problem, right, That's that's really problem with it. Yeah,
but yeah, interesting stuff. Did we did we? Did you finish
up on? I think what you wanted to cover on the divinci Ca?
I think so for the most part. Let me just take one. Are
we satisfied? Are we we went on a wild tanget satisfied? I think
that's the first time we ever rolled out comments. I think it might be
it wasn't a good one. And I listen. I don't want to.
I really don't want to be like negative. I appreciate you guys watching and
listening absolutely and commenting. Understand that we do see the rude comments. We
do. We don't usually respond, but we see them. Just you know,
it's like it's it's like again, it's like you have your one opportunity
to interact with the people that you know, you listen to their content,
maybe maybe use honey instead of tract flies with honey not vinegar. But anyway,
thank you for commenting and engaging. Yeah, common sense, be nice.
Yeah, I made it through all of my notes. Uh. I
mean, the biggest themes in this book it's it's it's like about these organizations,
it's about the Grail, it's about the blood line of Christ. You
know. Oh, there is one concept we didn't actually that. We went
on a tangent for a while, and I do feel like I wanted to
talk about this. So the whole, the whole controversy of the book,
we just glossed over this but didn't make a point about it. The reason
this book is so controversial in the first place is because why, well,
dude, it's it's suggesting the notion that Jesus was a father. Well yeah,
like not an immortal divine being. Oh right, Yes, it's it's
suggesting the notion that he was a person like us, who which every other
bit of information in the world about him, except for the Bible, says
exactly all of it. Yeah, like the Gnostic Text, na, commodity
scroll yeah, all the psychic materials yeah, nahommodity scrolls, the Koran,
all of it, all of it. That he was like as a prophet.
Yeah, he was like a He was like a sage or like a
prophet, or like a spiritual master. He was like a master of an
order, not just an initiate, but a master. Yes. And he
had achieved enlightenment and he was waking people up. And you know, I
do believe that. I do too. Do I know that he had children?
No, I don't know that. Sure, I believe it, but
I believe that every other text about him in the world other than the Bible,
says that he was a man. He wasn't divine, he wasn't a
God incarnate. He was a sage, a prophet, a dope dude,
a jack Man with fucking natty lights. Like I'm saying, that's what we
know about it. If he's Jackson, got some natty lights, I mean,
I'm sure he's got some kids out there. Oh yeah, oh yeah,
yeah, that's the first time you've spoke the whole I think, yeah,
episode oh yeah, well, you know, he gets excited as soon
as he hears natty lights. Jack Jack ripped Jesus. That's hilarious. That's
the first time he spoked a whole episodes. That's all it takes. You
Finally you got me. That's all it takes to engage him. That's all
it take. At the end of the episode, we have his full attention.
But this, this, this, this has to read this book.
It's really good. It really should and it's a very fast, fast read.
But dude, it's like the easiest book I've ever read. Honestly easy
because it's a yeah, you don't want to put it down, and the
material will stimulate your brain. It teaches you a lot of stuff. Dude,
it taught me a lot. But yeah, I mean, like this
this was heretical. It was extremely controversial when it came out because it was
suggesting the idea that, you know, Jesus may have been born just like
us, and that it goes all into the Nicy and Creed and Constantine and
how they changed his birthday to be like the pagan son god of Rome and
all this real history about how they convened Romans. This this is all in
the story. They're they're like educating you, Like, no, they just
decided years later, Yeah he's divine, Yeah, the Emperor of Constantine.
It sucks. Yeah, well yeah, we'll make him divine and uh yeah,
his birthday's freaking and then we're gonna kill people to uphold this image so
that we have absolute power yep, you know, because we act on the
authority, you know, the Vatican. We're the most powerful representation of God.
So then you have this whole subplot. We barely talked about this,
but the whole villains here that are chasing them down is like this cult within
Catholicism who's trying to murder the blood line of Christ and murder anybody who's aware
of the mystery because they don't want people to learn the truth. They want
to keep people in ignorance, to be like spiritual slaves, basically, like
they want to keep the world suppressed from this holy grail. Yeah, they
want they want Catholicism to continue to reign. Yeah. So you have like
you have like both secret societies. You have the Catholic Secret Society where they're
literally like nine millimeters like capping people in the head over Christ. Yeah,
and then you have Priory of Zion, who's trying to protect the blood line
of Christ. Yeah, exactly. It's it's really really gripping stuff. It's
it's amazing, it's deep and it makes you wonder how much of it is
real. Honestly, that's the problem with this book. That's that's that's what
I was gonna say, Like, you read this, and I remember reading
this at eighteen years old. I was still Pentecostal. Yeah, you know,
I remember reading this and being like, you know, I kind of
have a hard time not believing this. I do too. When I finished
it, I was like, this is nonfiction. But then, like,
you know, after a while, it is like it was shortly after that
that I found out about freemasonry and even like the Illuminati and began my journey
like studying esoteric stuff. I mean, I actually, ironically, I only
read this a few months after Dad experienced a lady for the first time.
Which is funny when you think about it, because out, you know,
you think about it out of the box, this entire book, other than
the blood Line of Christ. Bit, do you remember what his book is
called? In the book? The character is an author in the book.
It's like symbols of the goddess, oh, divine, feminine. Yeah,
it's something like that. The whole point of this is the great mystery,
like why was Mary Magdalen's so special? She's she's divine. She was like
Jesus was the male avatar of God, and she was like the feminine.
She was like the the you know, his equal, his counterpart. And
it's like, it's crazy, man. The whole premise of this is the
divine, feminine, the mother, the grail, is the woman, and
then they believed that her children, her child, the heir, was a
woman. You know. It's like, it's crazy, man. It's all
about the goddess and like it's kind of like what my whole life is about.
Yeah, and it's funny. It's funny that you started reading it like
at right after this. I know that for a fact because I read this
towards the end of my second semester. It was springtime, second semester of
freshman year of college, which that's the year springtime Easter, freshman year of
college. Dad's all the Lady. So I read this within weeks of Dad
seeing the Lady, which is ironic, and at the time I didn't understand
the significance. That's wild, you know, but crazy damn. That's all
I got. Boys. That's it, y'all. Thanks for tuning in for
another on one. We love y'all. And you know what I'm saying,
read that book. It's pretty good, super good. Yeah, movie's good
too. Don't listen to the haters. For sure. I I really said,
an enjoyable movie. Yeah. Like if I was if I wanted somebody
to experience this story and they weren't really a reader, I'd be like,
just watch the movie. It gives you a lot of the deep information.
Yeah, you'll get it. You'll get it. So check it out.
Love y'all. Bye God or the Blade Cealoue. Dude, this is King
Arthur's sword in the crail. Yeah, the Blade in the Chalice. Exactly
crazy. It's Craig Craig, all right. Weird things happen in the backyard
of Bletsoe House. Shit so weird, like smiring on the inside of it.
No one knows that. Wow, it's come I've ever told sold