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be part of the show three one nine five two seven five zero one six
three one nine five two seven five zero one six And we're hoping to discuss
anything that's on your mind openly. That's fine. And by we who do
I mean, well, I've got my co hosts, be Pete with me.
He's at work again, but doing it live via remote from an unknown,
undisclosed location. They used to say, right, I hear some crunchy
noises or something on somebody's phone. I tried to add in captain trips.
It's b Pete. I tried to add in captain trips. Maybe I'll do
that. But anyway, be Pete. What's on your mind this week?
Sir? Oh, no, a lot. We are here in an undisclosed
location along the ninety five quarter or somewhere along the East coast. Ah,
that's a lot, a lot of possible territory to cover their I ninety five
runs all the way up and down. I used to love taking that from
Jersey to Florida when we had to do a quick trip. But anyway,
I ninety five runs all up and down the East coast. I think all
the way to New Hampshire, doesn't it. Yes, yeah, I think
it does well. I'm worried about it's this little twenty foot section in here.
We got some operations going on at night, and I had to be
here, so we're gonna fit both of them in at the same time.
But other than that, I mean, we're looking at great weather. It's
also shad Festival weekend in the big metropolis of Grifton. We got the Tams
playing tomorrow night. Old beach music group that is still hanging on. I
can't but I think there's one original member still alive. Who the hell is
that? But what are they? Like? One hit? Wonder a song?
I don't remember, or am I Shadley We Tams? I think there
was the Tams, the Embers. You know, they did songs like up
on the Roof. They did songs like under the Boardwalk. I can't remember
what the TAM's biggest hit was. I mean, I was never really a
big, huge beach music fan, but they did it. They did a
version of under the Broadwalk Coast under the Boardwalk, I remember the coast beach
music is big time, but yeah, under the Boardwalk, I mean,
you know, it's those kind of groups from back in the late sixties early
seventies that toured up and down the Carolina coast. I think these guys used
to go from my Maryland down to Georgia those areas, and they are it's
a lot of the beach. North Carolina, South Carolina were real big for
beach music right well, and here's still hanging on there. But you know
those bands have have gone away because everybody has died. Well, that happens
after a while when you've been around for sixty seventy years, and you know
it's just going to happen. And indeed, you know, from the sixties.
Now, you could easily be a group if you started in the sixties.
You know. I think about it all the time because my favorite band
of all time is Black Sabbath, and they started in the late sixties.
And now you've got to remember, now that's sixty years ago, you know,
Yeah, I mean nineteen sixties. Most of those guys were, you
know, twenty years old when they started. So how old is Ozzie now?
Yeah, I mean he's got to be what eighty something? His birthday
was in December? I forget now I think he's eighty two. Is he
eighty two? I don't know. Maybe somebody will look it up, but
I mean an old guy, you know, but you don't think of him
that way. You still think of him as when when you were a kid,
you know, and Ozzie was like in his thirties and all washed up
already, right, he was already like in his mid thirties, and they
were saying his career was over when Sabbath, you know, when it really
hits you. He's seventy five. He's only seventy five. Seventy five,
Yeah, just just looks it up. Born December third, nineteen forty eight.
Wow, okay, two years older than my dad would have been nice.
Okay, I was I was gonna get I was gonna guess mid seventies.
I didn't think he was. I didn't he was his I didn't think
he was in his eighties yet. Well, somebody in that band is in
the eighties. Yeah, I'm thinking somebody in that band is in the eighties.
Maybe Tony Iomi is. And that's the voice of Captain Trips, by
the way, just to get and order Trips. I got callers that were
on the phone like immediately when eight o'clock came around, so I want to
get to them quick. But V Pete was telling us about what's going on
in North Carolina, and if we have time later maybe V Pete, I
want to cover something that I don't remember us covering on the show that was
local to you. There was a couple apparently in North Carolina who were running
around doing the jet set lifestyle, and apparently some one of these late night
talk shows focused on them this week. But from twenty twenty one, they
were apparently doing really well, building a whole bunch of dead people through Medicare
and really running a whole health services thing. There lots of billing, their
whole jet set lifestyle paid for by names of the dead off of the Medicare
list, and it was right there in North Carolina. And I didn't know
anything about him until this week, and I'm thinking to myself, that's something
we should have covered on the show. You know, Well, I've not
heard anything about that. I mean, usually we have the odd connection,
like you know, the guy that goes crazy, it starts to shoot up
a store or something like that. Usually you can trace that stuff back to
a North Carolina connection. But I've not heard this one about the Medicare billing.
Now that's a new one on me. Yeah, I mean it's pretty
extensive. I mean, they were the type of people on you know,
social media, going look at us in our private jet, drinking our champagne
because we're so successful. And it turns out that their success came from Yeah,
like I said, mainly hundreds of millions of dollars. It seems like
they might have gotten even over the course of time, billing dead people for
you know, medical procedures and stuff and so you know, doctor's visits for
the dead very profitable apparently in twenty twenty one. So yeah, well maybe
you think about it though. As screwed up as medicare is, and how
long it takes them to catch somebody doing something like that, I'm surprised.
I'll have to look that one up when I get home and get into the
bottom of it. But usually if there's a big story out there, we
can usually find a North Carolina connection to the to the crazy US and the
evil I mean, even go back to you know JFK. We had the
mysterious phone call from from Oswald to a guy outside of Rolliby. So right,
well, there's always an NC connection in there somewhere. I find NC
and NJ make interesting connections, even a New Jersey connection to the JFK assassination.
If you take a look at one of the criminals that was arrested in
the immediate aftermath, the guy has a whole thing in Jersey going on,
you know, the organized criminal element and interesting guy, right. I forget
which one it was, but it was one of the guys they nabbed coming
out of the school book depository. Was a was add some gangster connections in
Jersey anyway, There's always something like that happening, but and I always keep
track of it. But I was surprised that we didn't cover that story when
it broke in twenty twenty one. What's always amazing to me is that when
people think of medicare fraud or you know, welfare fraud, health insurance fraud,
all that, they almost always still go back to the idea of the
welfare queen, you know, the single person who's got you know, a
great living being made off of the system. But the truth is it's these
predatory companies that make massive you know, billing things, or they're turning around
and collecting food stamps where they shouldn't or something. The massive points of collection
are usually done by some corporate entity you know, that has a handful of
people behind it, and that's where the really big money goes, you know,
I mean even if one person is living well off the system. Yeah,
well that's something we see a lot of here because we have there's there
is a lot of health industry in North Carolina from you know, the major
hospitals, and they're fighting to buy up the small ones and then shut them
down and force people to different hospitals, making people having to drive an hour
hour and a half, you know, close down the little local clinic,
make them drive into greenvill or make them drive into Raleigh. Right, It's
been a constant thing here. But we have a lot of a lot of
these practitioners that are on the fringe, like medical supply places. You know,
they're the ones that advertise, oh, if you're getting Medicare Part B,
then you qualify for this knee brace or this special chair or this apparatus
to help you do something. And we have a lot of that going on
in this state. These medical product companies, these little private firms, they
find a way to build Medicare or Medicaid and they know that the you know,
the fraud rate is very high, so they play the odds, They
roll the dice and figure, okay, we're going to do this billing and
we're going to get as much as we can afford to catch us and hopefully
when we get win that they're on us, we can get out of town
and go do something else, and we might go up to Virginia or down
to South Carolina and start up business. Again. We see that happen a
lot, indeed, so, but then again, we've had hospitals to get
called on the you know, major hospitals getting nailed for medicare fraud where they're
over billing for patient services and things like that. So it's a big business
here in North Carolina. Absolutely look in interest to keeping the show rolling.
Our callers have apparently hung up. I guess I took too long to get
to them on the phone, but I do have Captain Trips on Skype,
so I'm gonna let get to him next callers rejoin us, because I was
about to go to you and you disappeared. Three one nine five two seven
five zero one six. Sorry about that. I guess I took a few
minutes. I mean we've only been on air about ten minutes. Sorry about
that, But anyway, three one nine five two seven five zero one six.
That's the number to call in and join us with anything that's on your
mind. We're going to go to after ten o'clock tonight, although I might
lose be Pete somewhere in between there anyway, So Captain Trips, what is
on your mind this week? Open table, open forum? Nobody else has
spoken outside of me and Bpete. Uh so, wide open field for you.
Well, I'll start off with the one of the one of the big
stories today actually has a Florida connection. It's my neighborhood. The goofball that
let himself on fire right outside of the courthouse where Trump is on trial is
from Saint Augustine, Florida, which happens to be where I am sitting right
now. Are you subscribed to his Wait a minute, are you subscribed to
his sub stack? I you know what I saw the manifesto. I did
get it. I don't think they pulled it down yet. And the interesting
thing about it, and now, the guy isn't he think he styled himself
as an ancom But he wasn't. He was. He was calling out both
Trump and Biden. I'm not saying the guy was sane. I'm just saying
that it didn't sound like like a Trump arrangement syndrome or a a Biden,
you know, an ardent anti Biden person. It sounds like he was calling
out the whole damn thing. So well, I'm gonna put yeah in the
live chat at ochelly dot com just for the record, since you bring it
up. It just so happens that jay A Still and I were trading emails
and this is one of the things that came up. Is this guy who
literally he's got something called the Ponzi Papers on substack. He's done a lot
of interesting conspiracy research actually, and yeah, yeah, and and here we
go. Well, no, I was just gonna say it's it's pretty wild
because his latest entry is literally, guess what it says, I have set
myself on fire outside the Trump trial. So he did a substack post I'm
assuming before he did light himself up. I didn't see the Yes, yeah,
I didn't see the video or anything. But are we talking like literally
like the monk from the Vietnam War era lighting himself up or what supposedly?
Now? I wouldn't. I can't. I'm not into the the to the
Gore porn. So I didn't watch any of the live shots. I saw
a few of the stills where you could see him sitting there and you can
clearly make out a you know, a figure that was on fire apparently mean
because he was right on the street in New York City. He wasn't on
fire very long. It sounds like they someone got put out within thirty I
think it was like thirty to sixty seconds, is what I heard. So
I don't know if that part of it was planned. I didn't get that
far into the story. And as supposedly, at least the last thing I
heard late to Saton that the guy was still alive. God too. But
interesting. Interesting is day we still have fireworks going off all across the Middle
East. Yeah, even when they're not human fireworks. Yes, right outside
of the human fireworks, other fireworks happening right right, right right, And
you know, it seems like the the you know, I don't even know
what the hell of callities anymore. The attack from Israel on Iran today seemed
to be quite similar to Iran's attack on Israel four days ago. Apparently it
targeted this area where Iran is suspected of having nuclear facilities, but it didn't
target the facilities themselves. And we destroyed some old old military equipment as if
to say, hah, we know where you have this stuff. So you
know, if this is just a tit for tat thing, it's just it's
it's it's still it's it's still too frightening, it's still too dangerous. The
margin of error is far too small and right just for the record, by
the way, for listeners, I know most of you listen on cell phones
right now, but we do have a live chat at ocelly dot com where
we are posting links to things and sometimes people post photographs or you know,
comments during the show. You can always roll it back. So if you
go to the Listenlive page at Ocelli dot com you can do that. Now,
your your interaction with it, based on the fact that you're on a
phone, might vary. Some people can pop up the chat and listen,
some people cannot. If you do pop up the listen live page at Ocelli
dot com though, there's like three or four players on the page and you
can listen and chat at the same time, and you don't have to say
anything, but you might be able to follow along with what other people are
saying. And here the stuff that I'm posting, including this guy's manifesto,
his sub stack, you know, the guy who let himself on fire,
which I'm almost surprised to him taking it down. I'm sure it's got a
high traffic right now. He's a person of interest lighting himself on fire outside
of the Trump trial. Here's the funny part. I skimmed through his post
about this, and I still have a problem figuring out really why he did
it, Like we know why the Monk, you know, the famous Monk,
did it to protest the Vietnam War. But I'm not sure what he
was protesting here except the system in general. And in that case, I
don't understand the selection of I have to draw attention to the Trump trial.
I mean, he doesn't seem to be on the side of it. Yeah,
I mean, I was wondering if I just missed it, you know,
maybe I missed it anyway, what what I what I took out of
it was exactly what you said he was. He was calling out the whole
system, you know, stating that we were in the midst of a basically
of a fascist takeover, not from Trump or not from Biden, from the
system itself. That was the take that I got from it. Why he
picked that, I don't I don't know that he stated, but I would
just guess it's because of the publicity, because you know, obviously the news
media was focused on that particular location just because of what was going on there
today, Right, that would be I would yet, I would guess that
was what the choice of location was. Yeah, but here's a guy.
Yeah but here here's a guy, quite honestly, who is almost sounds like
things I would say, and things you might even say, or various listeners
who have stuck with me for more than a week might say regarding the idea
of a kleptocracy, the fact that there is a constant Ponzi scheme going on
multiple levels and layers coming from all parts of the system, and my Freudian
slip there was. My next part is that he references everything from Bill Clinton
and George H. W. Bush to the Simpsons in his rant about how
things have gone, how the institutions have failed. He references back to different
crypto problems. He states that the government took his laptop at some point,
not sure why. He doesn't explain it. All kinds of things going on
here in his declaration about setting himself on fire. Okay, and still I
don't understand why the selection of the Trump trial was the best place for him
to do it. I mean, one would almost think that his best spot
would be in Washington, d C. But like you said, he's from
Florida somehow, and he goes to New York to do this. I mean,
DC's on the way. Save gas, more gas for you to let
yourself up with. I mean, you know, the only thing I wonder
with that is was it just he? And again I'm speculating. I would
never self emilate, So I don't know, but you don't. But you
don't have Okay, you and I could speculate all day long. Wait,
wait, you and I could speculate all day long. Maybe his favorite,
you know, Craigslist hooker is out of Manhattan and he wanted to go to
her this time. We don't know, is my point. We have no
clue, Like, there is no indicator here. I mean, at one
point he says, AI is killing us, is gonna kill us all?
Or is killing us all? The kleptocracy is the biggest problem. I mean,
I'm just flipping through this fraudulent democracy. I mean, what about the
tax man? How about that we're on our way to World War three?
And oh, by the way, the banks are failing because and crypto is
a big game. I mean, there's all sorts of stuff happening in this
manifesto for a guy who lights himself on fire in front of the Trump trial,
And you're saying to yourself, well, is he protesting on behalf of
Trump saying that this is part of the criminality that the system has turned to
to persecute Trump? Or is he out there saying because at one point it
almost seems like he's going to go with my concept of this is all for
show and what's you know that there's no real consequence attached to this, that
this is, you know, nothing more than a theater event for people to
follow. And he and he begins obviously with his discussion about Peter Thiel and
the financials, and I mean, there's a lot going on here. So
meanwhile, we do have some callers who have rejoined. But b Pete,
anything you want to say before we go to the callers on this? And
did you even know about the guy lightening himself on fire? Yeah, I've
heard about that today. My only question is why would somebody, I mean,
if you want to go out of this world, why would you take
one of the most painful ways to do it? That's the part I don't
understand. He could have stuck his head in the oven. He could have
put a gun to his head, he could have run a hose from the
exhaust of his car. But to light yourself up knowing full well that it
may not kill you being a burn patient. He's in critical condition right now
the last news break that I heard. You know, burn patients go through
a lot, and it's one of the most painful ways to die. I
just that's the part that I can't understand. If you want to take yourself
out, you know, and there's a chance that you're not going to be
successful. This guy's got a long road a hoe. I worked in a
burn unit down in San Antonio when I was in the army, right and
let me tell you now, those people they go through hell when you're treating
somebody for third degree birds. Yeah, that's the part I don't get.
You want to go, Why pick the most painful way in the world to
do it? Well, my curiosity is this because I've known people who have
survived. And by the way, this is one of the few near death
attempt on someone's life that has never been you know, I've never been set
on fire to be killed. I've been set on fire accidentally but never,
you know, suffered severe burns. I had a stepfather who had something like
eighty percent of his body covered in you know, ridiculous third degree burns,
to the point where his skin was dripping off him. And I know what
he went through when a motorcycle. He was on one of those Kawasaki bikes
where the gas tank slipped and exploded during a collision, and he was burnt
pretty severely. But you know, so I understand what you're saying, he
went through the skin grafting all that. But to me, I don't know.
What I've always read about it is that if you are successful and you
truly immolate yourself, well, the fact is that your nerves shut off pretty
early. It's definitely, you know, it's a horrible thing to survive,
but if your goal is death, perhaps it is less painful than a lot
of other methodologies if you are fully successful with your methodology. Anyway, I
want to get to the first caller on the line, see what they have
to say. Maybe they want to talk about people setting themselves on fire,
maybe something else. And we've got two on the line, so let's get
to Let's see what is the area code here? Unidentified caller. No name
comes up on the Sometimes names come up on my call list. This is
a three to five to two area code. No name. So who are
you and what do you want to throw on the roundtable tonight? Hi?
Juck Chris here? How you doing, sir? Hey Chris? How are
you doing? Chris from Florida? Are you anywhere near this guy's neighborhood in
Florida that set himself on fire? By chance? I recall reading about it.
Where exactly did it take place? Again? Well, it took place
in New York, but I believe the guy is from Saint Augustine in Florida.
Augustine, Well that's about an hour away from where I live. Uh
okay, well not not your neighborhood then, but uh anyway, did you
read anything about it or do you know anything about it? Max? Uh
Azarella? Azarella? I'm sorry. I was just given the name Max as
a rell O as e Z A R E L l O. You know
a guy who does a mass shooting. I'm not going to read his name
out, but a guy who set him self on fire? I don't know.
I think you'reon I mentioned Max Azarello as e Z A R E L
L O. Anyway, he claims to be an investigative researcher. Uh,
and you know he did. He put it to this thing on his the
Ponzi papers on substack, which I provided a link in the Ocelli chat if
you want to go look at it or subscribe, still open the subscribers,
and I guarantee he's gonna need some money for the burn unit costs. Anyways,
Uh, yeah, but this guy put out a you know, a
substack. I am the guy who lit myself on fire, and I'm sure
it's got a lot of traffic today. Anyway, your general thoughts on well,
let's let's let's let Chris get his thoughts out and then we'll get to
questions. Chris, your thoughts in general uninterrupted. You know, I'd briefly
read, you know, the article on this individual. You know, he
was obviously protesting Biden and Trump conveniently, you know, you know, to
me, it's just just kind of this range of one of these individuals that's
just seeking there in some morbid type of way. Their five seconds are same,
you know what I mean, Like he clearly didn't do it, do
enough to get the job done. You know, he's still living to tell
the tale, you know. So he's getting all he's getting his five seconds.
And there are some people that get that that level of gratification that sol
you know that you don't you know what I'm saying, no self gratification from
you know, just making the headlines. It's not efferent than some of these,
you know, the suck up mass shooters that we've had in the past,
you know where they go off on the killing spray and they're only doing
it for notoriety. Yeah, but you know, you got to say this,
and to me, that's what I kind of that, at least to
me, that's what that's what this rates up in my in my personal opinion.
I could be wrong. Yeah, but usually there's well just real quick,
Chris, the question for you real fast, and then I guess Captain
Tripp says a question. You know, to me, usually if a guy
does something like this and at least it's his skin in the game literally,
uh, you know, he's not hurting other people directly. Uh. He
even says something here on you know a look, I apologize to the first
responders and others who could possibly be affected by this. I don't intend to
affect you, but probably will and hopefully you won't see too horrible a thing
when I light myself up. Kind of interesting he makes that statement in a
sub stack but anyway, which is under m Crosby. By the way,
I don't know what that means. Uh anyhow, it's uh, it's weird.
Yeah, you get attention, okay, but for what is it?
Just like he wants to be the most famous substack guy? Does he want
to be a podcast guest? Like, Hey, I want to get on
whatever podcast. I mean, I'm gonna invite him as a guest if I
can. Why did you light yourself on fire? You know? If I
can, I don't know, maybe other people will beat me to the punch
or others will walk away from it because they don't want to encourage this.
But uh, I'm going to have this guy. Yeah, go ahead.
Well I was going to say, that's the question I had. How to
setting yourself on fire? Connect to this? I mean, is it a
was he not getting the people to his substack to read and he felt like
this was the only way that he can draw attention to the information that he's
put together. My question was to everybody else that's you know, you guys
are more up on this than me. I just heard the news break today,
but they did he give a reason why he chose to set himself on
fire? Is that? Is that the quickest way that he could have gotten
attention to this? Or what? Because you're right if I had him on
that first question asked why did you like your self up? Well, look,
look can I pouse a question real quick? Yeah? Content, let
me just answer that. Let me just answer that, and then yeah,
go ahead. Context is real simple, though, on this VPTE substack has
become oversaturated. It was a very popular, rarefied thing for a minute,
and then everybody and their mother got a substack. It's pretty much like podcasts.
You know, a couple of years ago, when there was only a
couple of hundred podcasts, it was easier to get bigger headline guests because they
didn't have thousands upon thousands of people asking them for interviews. I mean,
if you've farted on cameras somewhere, you probably got one hundred requests to be
a podcast guest. But nowadays it's hard. So it's hard to get attention
on substack. But I mean you got to think there's other ways to attract
readers, although it is extremely competit. So Chris, you had something go
ahead. Yeah, I'm going a little bit deeper into the point that I
was trying to make. I mean, if I pour a couple of inces
of lighter fluid on myself and let myself on fire, do I expect to
burn to No? No? But if I pour a gallon of gasoline on
myself, do I and light myself on fire? Do I expect to burn
that? Most likely? Yes? You know I expected at least race in
you know. I mean, you know, some people are none of us
know. I don't think do any of us know the actual details? And
you know how much of the night or field to appoint himself. Look,
was it an actual attempt to really kill himself? Or was he just an
attention seeking horror? Ye know? And you know just couldn't Unfortunately, what
attractive enough to start it on? Only hands to germinate whatever funds that he
needs? No, no problem, but I get it. But here's the
thing about that is that you know, and and Captain Tripps could speak to
this. I want to turn it over to him next. Idiots do things
like this sometimes too, and they might be you know, fairly intelligent otherwise,
but when it comes to self destruction, they're not, you know,
well informed. I used to see teenagers because of various things I was involved
in. Uh, teenagers and young adults that somehow thought swallowing a bottle of
you know, something like Thailand all would kill them. Not instantly, you
know. I mean, if you want to destroy your liver slowly, you
can use that, but to have an instantaneous, you know, overdose.
I used to see teenagers and like I said again, young adults who would
swallow like oh, they swallowed fifty tailanolls. I was like, well,
outside of vomiting up the crab persons, I've actually tried to commit you know,
when I was younger. I unfortunately it is one of these individuals that
you know, I was going through it. I have REP spurred in my
life, and I you know, I can go into further details if you'd
like, but you know, no, no need, you don't. You
know. Eighty years old, i'd swallowed, you know, I figured I
would get the job done. You know, I can't even tell you the
name of the medication, but I was put on an anti depressant, right,
I'd taken the whole, the whole caseload, helping to you know,
in my existence at that point in time, right, you know what I
mean, Right, But i'd luckily, i'd you know, I came to
my senses and said, you know, screw this, it's it's not worth
it after especially to start, after the hallucination started taking place, you know,
right, Well, but a twelve year old who doesn't have a lot
of experience with medication, I'm assuming you didn't have a ton of experience with
different medications at that point. A twelve year old who is not really chemically
familiar. Yeah, maybe you thought that would work, and realistically that's not
the way to go. And that's the other thing. But this is a
full grown person. So I'm saying idiot because a twelve year old might not
take the time to go, well, let me figure effective method here,
But a grown person, if you want to do serious damage or not,
you're going to want to know your methodology. Look, I made I made
an attempt like this at one point. I'm not going to say when,
but you know, I thought fourteen thousand milligrams of an opiate would be enough
to put me out. It was not, But fourteen thousand milligrams. I
don't know why. I think that was the most I could bunch up,
and I thought it would be sufficient and it wasn't. But that's not the
same thing as like I said, i'ven't seen kids swallow tail and all and
end up in the emergency room. Now. Yeah, just a note over
in Europe when I was over there, overdosing on paracetamol, which is there,
which is the name that Todland Hall has. Over in Europe, it's
still quite common people adults will still take a whole bottle and eventually, you
know, it destroys your deliver and it shuts down your kidneys and that's how
they go out. And I didn't know that until I got over there.
I was talking with my girlfriend and there was an article in one of the
papers I was reading about somebody who had done this. She said, yeah,
that she said, the two main ways of suicide over here is an
overdose of paracetamol or step in front of a train. Well, step in
front of a train seems like a higher level of commitment. Captain trips real
fast before we go to the next caller, though, your commentary about this
idea, please, and what I'm saying, good, Okay, So first
thing, I'll make a comment on the last thing. If I was forced
to pick one of those two, I would throw myself in front of the
train, because liver failure is not something I would want to die. Ask.
But I'm looking through this manifesto again, and I mean, basically,
he said, this is an extreme active protest to draw attention to an urgent,
important discovery. We are victims of a totalitarian con and our own government,
along with many of their allies, is about to hit us with apocalyptic
fascist world coup. I mean, I don't think the guy was trying to
kill himself. I don't don't take him for being sane, But I mean,
if you can take what he wrote as what he really believes, he
claims that he was truly trying to draw attention to it, you know,
and just you know, scrolling through some of the stuff that he has written
here, I don't know that I necessarily disagree with him. Yeah, you
know, when you when you tie that, especially when you tie some of
that into and I don't know if we've talked about this on the show or
not, that the great taking by that guy David Rogers Web who is kind
of saying some similar things, more on the financial side. So I mean,
like again, I'm not claiming the guy sane. I'm just saying that,
you know, he he he seems to he. You know, this
is what he believes, and he says because these words are true, this
is an act. I'm gonna I'm gonna read through this again. I okay
quickly, Yeah, no, I get it, go go through it again.
But yeah, the point does seem to be to get attention, not
to die, because if he was serious about death, he would have done
it another way. Okay, fair enough, But you know, when you
go lighten yourself on fire, you are risking death. I mean, you
know, That's what I don't get. That's the part I don't get.
I mean, You've got people like Carol Roff and others who have been riding
about this now for the past couple of years. I'm based on the World
Economic form and stuff coming out of there, and and things that have been
said by government leaders about how yeah, you're gonna owe nothing and be happy,
you know, But to set yourself on fire. It seems to me,
if you want to draw attention to something, you want to be there
afterwards to be able to answer questions that people are gonna have. But when
you do something like that, you know, you just increase the chances and
you're not gonna be around. Well fair enough, but I mean, yeah,
yeah, and unless unless he's that committed to what he's saying that he
was willing to risk it. You know, I'm looking at this and I
this, I definitely can't take an issue with this. I'm really quickly funneling
trillions of dollars and stolen cast through stock market, created the lots of start
market anomally in history. Stock stock chart signature of Ponzi scheme is a massive
increase blah blah blah. And this is what. In order to explain this
massive anomenaly, our criminal government unleashed COVID on the world and told us that
these were stay at home stocks. Right, No, yeah, not every
yeah you're saying, yeah, so hang on, not Everything he's saying is
insane, is what the point is, right, Right, So there you
go. I'm gonna go now to I'm sure somebody's gonna have something to say
about this here that I bring on the line next. And by the way,
if you get on the line and I put you on hold. You
can hang on. I'll come back around to you as time allows. And
we got plenty of time right now. So three one nine, five,
two seven five zero one six you can be part of this conversation. Didn't
expect to go here, but uh, definitely was on my mind, the
guy who set himself on fire. So at least nothing happened in the news
this week. It wasn't a nothing nothing news week. We had trial selection
connected to this. We had, you know, a jury selection excuse me
for the trial, and a few other things have gone down, you know,
in the courts and elsewhere in the year of the lawsuit. So you
know, the theme is continuing. And I guess this is a sidebar issue,
if you will, although it might be a hot take. So let's
get our next hot take from Jimmy James JJ. Can you hear me?
Yes? Coming on up, You're coming in just fine. So do you
have anything you want to say about the guy who set himself on fire outside
of the Trump trial or do you want to change the topic. It's up
to you. Uh, I don't know anything about the situation. Doesn't surprise
me. So you hadn't heard you hadn't heard about this guy setting himself on
fire in Manhattan. No, I heard the guy saw himself on fire a
couple of months ago. Yeah, that was another incident, but this was
like today, So okay. Uh. He wrote his piece on the nineteenth,
so I'm thinking he wrote his piece and then went to go do this,
you know, like like Trip said, he's from Florida. So anyway,
go ahead. It's open open for you to comment on whatever you want.
J Jay, whoa what what do you sick to that photo? That's
sick. It's a little weird at New York City photo. Yeah, I
was trying to figure out the whole point of that. Go go ahead and
explain it because you put a photo in the chat recently that may or may
not have some interesting people in it. It's a go ahead and explain it.
Well. It was in an article that I found on the Fox News
website. It was discussing diner Wingo and they were diners, which were popular
in the nineteen thirties through seventies, had a unusual weird way of speaking.
That's the whole thing is about the article. And then I noticed that they
had a picture It said diner New York City nineteen fifties. I thought,
well, you never know who you might see in a diner in New York
City in the nineteen fifties, right, and the fellar at the end I'm
looking at, Well, I don't know it's either Lee already house Walter or
one of the stop Begators. Well, what year are we talking about in
that article? As far as because let's put it in context. Is it
like late fifties, as in fifty nine, like around the time that he
should have been going to Russia. I'm thinking that it has to be it
would have If it's fifty nine, it would have to be. I mean
in the fifties, as the thing says, New York City dying in nineteen
fifties. If it was Oswald, it would have to be fifty nine.
And I know it's the pictures mark four twenty four, so I would assume
for twenty four fifty nine. Well, I would you think that like him
or not? Tell me that's not a doppelgager. Well, it's an interesting
photo. I'm taking a look at it as we speak, and you know
what, I'll repost it in the chat room. But Oswald, I don't
ever see Oswald as looking all that unique, So it wouldn't be a crazy
thing for him to show up, I think, you know, or a
guy who looks like him to show up, I should say, in any
photograph generally. I mean, he wasn't all that remarkable looking in my mind.
I mean, he becomes a remarkable looking character because of his actions and
all that. But again, you'd be talking about a guy who is now
if it's fifty nine, Let's say you're talking about a guyho's twenty years old,
and again he should either be in the Marines or in Russia or correctly
Belarus, Belarius, whatever, he should be there. He should be in
Minsk or in the Marines, or if not that, then it's his time
just previous to that, where you know, he's still like now, we're
talking about him in high school age, you know, yeah, just seeing
him and I'm not weird. Another weird things to all the way to the
left, there's a guy that looks just like a guy from the Garrison Rope.
Yeah, which one though, the guy standing up looking at the camera,
he looks just like the guy that sits down in the clay Shaw picture.
Okay, are you talking about the lawyer that sits next to Shaw on
one of the famous photos. That guy, No, there's no lawyer.
That's they're all drinking and getting ready to molestic kid. It looks like,
oh, you're talking about the thing where he's in a wig and all that.
Well everyone's I thought that that guy was David Ferry, But what's his
name? The guy that's pro Warren report saysn't. No, no, no,
it's not David Ferry. That's fine, I guess, but that's Charle.
What's he doing with that kid? What are they all up to?
Then he could have talked to me. Yeah, I don't know what to
make. You know, it gets to be a muddy, strange area.
And people have played this game in JFK assassination photographics, Uh, you know
stuff for years and years. I'm not saying that you are, But what
I am saying is that we tend to see things and see people in places
sometimes and it's a lot of interpretation. I'm not saying you're wrong, but
it's weird. And why why was is that everyone on that road to me
looks familiar, like someone put this thing here. I could swear the guy
to the left of Oswalds Don Adams FBI. Okay, that that gets even
stranger because you're talking about the guy who from the FBI who wrote a book
a couple of years ago, only maybe what ten years ago or something?
Right that Don Adams? Right, Yeah, I mean, now you're getting
real strange. You know. That'd be like, here's Harold Weisberg and two
guys from the Mob, you know, sitting down at a at a soda
fountain. You know it would be, Or here's here's the three of them
walking out of Macy's together. I'd be like, what the hell is going
on here? You know? And it's not a picture or a story about
them that it's connected to. And I just I'm having trouble reposting your picture,
by the way in the chat. But I did just post a picture
of Cookie Opuss because that came up on Aaron Show last week. I had
that ready. But anyway, COOKI o Puss was a carvel tree that I
find funny. But anyways, yeah, I can't see him to repost that
picture even it's a weird picture, but we'll try and include it. Maybe
you can repost it in the chat. I post it's just so weird.
Gotcha. Also, Yeah, everyone at that bart looks familiar to me.
Well, that might that might be more of it. That might be more
of you interpreting things than what's really happening there. But you never know.
Stranger things have occurred. After all, Judy Baker claimed to be in a
picture where there's some blurry woman like two blocks away from Clay Shaw one time,
and that was supposed to be proof that she knew him. But anyway
that happening or not happening, who knows. B Pete, you said you
had a follow up to some question JJ asked you, like a couple of
weeks ago. Yeah, two weeks ago we were talking about the money that
was found. But what's his name's wife? Dorothy? You're talking about Dorothy
Hunt I Howard Hwick's wife. Yeah, and the ten grand, Yeah,
that was recovered near her, But then the speculation that other money was probably
present absconded with. There should have been hundreds of thousands whatever, but they
found ten grand either on in some luggage of hers or in a baggers somehow
connected to her in cash. But yeah, so you did a little follow
up on that. Yeah, I did some looking into it to try to
find the source of the money, because that was Jimmy's question, if we
knew where if they had ever found out where the money came from. The
best I've been able to find it was Sherman Skoldnick that had run a series
of articles back then when it happened, and apparently he's been able to trace
the money to about eleven million dollars that the creep the committee to re elect
the President had diverted for the Watergate episode and some other shenanikins that they were
pulling at the time. So based on what I've been able to find out
that he's really the only one that really looked into the source. And from
what I understand, it was like ten thousand found in her purse, right,
but in her lokage there was like one hundred thousand that supposedly got its
kind of like the JFK thing, it got inventoried, but then it suddenly
was deinventoried. Right, I'm wondering if that money was given back to the
source. Here's the problem. Okay, you know, just keep it hitting.
So here's the problem where Sherman Skolnick is an interesting character in JFK research
history. Interesting guy all the way around. I think professionally he might have
been a lawyer if I remember right. I mean, I haven't looked up
anything on him in a long time, but he was a wheelchair bound guy
and had done some really good work on a couple of areas of the case
at a time when the resources to do that work were very limited, very
hard to come by. But the problem with Skolnick is that occasionally you will
find claims that nobody else can verify. That. He comes up with something
and makes a claim, and when you get all the way to the bottom
of it, it becomes well, it's more about what's missing than what he
found, and he's making an assumption at some point. And that's an honest
criticism of a guy who's long dead. May Brussel appreciated him, for sure,
but outside of that, Sherman Skolnick was kind of, I don't know,
like a double edged sword. Some of his stuff he couldn't independently verify
it, and that makes it difficult. Some stuff he came up with,
though, was actually well ahead of some of the authors that have been given
credit for it when they found the evidence, you know, other evidence later
to back up some claims he made this indeed, is one of those times,
I think, because only Skolnick, to my knowledge, has ever made
a claim that there was evidence to support this, and I've never been able
to see it. And you know, he was robbed at one point.
He had a station wagon I think, with a wheelchair in the back and
a whole bunch of his research, and somebody went in there and stole his
wheelchair and his research and left other things in the car that were probably a
lot easier to move at a pawnshop. But yet that's what they took from
him, is his wheelchair and his research. You know. So he's yeah,
gol a police department, as I recall, Yes, the LA Police
Department had seized a bunch of things and suddenly we never took that, you
know, became the cry. Uh literally, that's what happened to him.
Now. I don't know if he's got anything to back that up, because
I've never seen, you know, hard evidence to back up his claim.
But that does make sense that Skolnik would have said it. But did he
have anything to back it up or was it an assumption he made. I
don't know. So I would say Keith digging, but that's I think where
the idea comes from, even is his assertion. You know, other people
speculated as well. But when you dig on their speculation, even if they
say it's you know, proven, you come up with at some point they're
making an assumption. So that's the problem with the missing you know, Hunt
money. You know, ten grand we can verify. So I've heard them.
I've heard, yeah, the ten grand's supposedly could be verified, and
I've heard them just looking through I've read like three or four different authors who
claimed that, yeah, the money was you know, they they don't have
the absolute proof, but they feel like it came out of creep funds that
were used for not only the break in, but you know, the ten
thousand was supposedly for Hunt keeping quiet, and apparently she was on her way
to go and purchase a holiday inn hotel with the ten thousand down, but
the other monies were also supposed to go towards that. There was also a
lot of documents that ended up missing according to call me. Now. You
know, I don't know if those have been traced down, but I would
think that it would be you know, I'd say the odds are, yeah,
that money was probably some money that got from the campaign to the shenanigans
that the creep guys were pulling, both with Watergate and some of the other
things that were going on, and that was just some of the money.
Now, so I put serial numbers to go by who knows, just an
interest to keeping the show moving. I put Jimmy on hold. We have
another caller coming up, a new one, and then we'll go back around
or get to new ones as they come up. Three one nine, five,
two seven, five zero one six. Last word on this just for
now is real simple though, because look when you can you notice how it
sounds a lot like the story of what he experienced literally where his documents disappeared
his wheelchair and his documents disappeared when the cops got involved. It's not a
stretch of the imagination. When you know, cash disappears when it's being seized.
Uh, you know a drug dealer is going to sit there and complain
that there was eight million dollars instead of the four million that they said they
seized. Not really, uh, or anybody try to complain about it,
Well, can't help you. We know what was inventoried. Money disappearing not
a shocker, but the fact is. I think you're looking at something that
could have been transposed, because he had an experience that I that I do
know was verifiable. His claim is verifiable that they might have you know,
they definitely had his stuff and then didn't have his stuff. You know.
Their thing I think was the time was oh that's clerical error. You know,
they claimed they saw these things, they didn't actually take custody of them.
Whatever. And somehow in the shoveler's wheelchair was taken too, which I
think might have been you know, a personal little f you to the guy.
But you know, again, now I'm speculating. So let's get to
the next caller. Let's see what is the area code on this one?
Looks like nine one six. Let me see. Yeah, okay, I
gotta like press my face up against the screen to see it. Nine one
six area code. We'll get to you, and then we'll start getting back
around everybody and check the time. Might even be almost time for a break.
But anyway, nine one six area code. You're live, and don't
know if you want to talk about the man on fire, Dorothy Hunt,
or something else on your mind is all up to you. Well, it's
Danny out here. In California. What I want to talk about is I
kind of want to chime in. You had a regular Joe and Captain trips
on just recently, and I want to agree with the Like Captain Trips,
he came from a Christian perspective. I'm also a Christian too, and not
everybody agrees with this Christian zionism. And he made the exactly what's reading my
mind when he said, well, Jesus said, nobody will know the end
of time. So when I got exposed this from this whole dispensationalism, I
went down to deep die. It's kind of one of my four kas I
like to look at in history. That whole philosophy started maybe about less than
two hundred years ago in England, and it was a fringe movement, like
a lot of in all religions, Fringe movements slowly takes time to kind of
catch on, and it was always a fringe movement. But what happened was
there was a big selling, skulfilled Bible of that type of theology got kind
of like us. It was a big seller, and over time, as
the mid while the mainline Protestant denomination started declining, they picked up on it,
And then back in the seventies you had the best seller Howl Lindsay's Late
Great Planet Earth. And the whole fight at that time was going to be
Russia in Israel. And now it's evolved, it's kept evolving, and now
it's kind of it's even got like political power. Are you talking about the
initial Worldwide Zionism Council or whatever it was called, where they were trying to
find the new the new homeland that started in the eighteen hundreds, Are you
talking about that movement the beginnings of that, Well, there there was,
there was, There was There was a kind of a Christian Israel that that
was a set, but it was. It was a guy named John Nelson
Darby, and he was a he was a Protestant theologian that kind of he
kind of like what I studied. He kind of copied and paste sell versus
the Bible and created this whole He started the whole rapture movement. It wasn't
in the first century probably, I mean in the early Christian Church, they
were they had the Creed, so there was always a second coming that not
this that the Church was going to be removed from Earth. And around the
first thousand years there was you know, excitement that this is the millennium that
there may be Christ returns, but it's kind of picked up them. So
when you're seeing like a lot of the evangelicals that are kind of really they're
all pro Israel that they believe they're going to usher in the Second Coming,
this is this has started out as a fringe movement, but it's just gained
a lot of traction and it's been useful. Well these you know even though,
right, So, what you're saying is, even though they're linked to
ancient ideas, what the deal is is that the the codifying of this comes
in around the same time of the idea that you know, there's going to
be a day and all of the good people are going to be raptured up
to heaven and stuff like that. All of those sort of fringe ideas,
they're kind of newer developments in the circles of faith. That's what you're saying.
Yeah, I'm saying the first eighteen hundred years Christianity, there was there
was really no concept of that. It's it's basically a newer concept that just
solely avall and it's a great evangelical tool because hey, you got to get
prepared now because the sickly comes any moment, you know, right and fair
enough. And look, when it comes to this, I'm letting other people
speak on it, you know, because they have their own ideas about it
and it's very personal to them. Much like that night, I wanted,
you know, I wanted Captain Tripps to go ahead, speak from your perspective.
Right, You're a Christian and this is linked to your faith. This
is what I'm told, right, and this is what they teach from the
pulpit, to the best of my knowledge, you know, So explain this
to me and tell me about it from your side of it. And that's
what you're doing now, is tell me about the history. I understand that
you're very correct about this, that these are very new ideas actually among the
Christian circles of faith. And you know, Christian Christianity is not a geminy,
it's not a completely homogenous the thing as you know, some people want
to represent it that way. And it's all supposed to be about, I
mean, to my knowledge again, this is about, you know, an
agreement that you all believe in the concept of the resurrection and that you know
Jesus Christ is the guy who did it, and that's that. That is
your point of agreement. After that, he all diverge into different directions,
it seems like to me, I mean, I know that sounds really oversimplified,
and maybe it is, but that's where I begin an end on this
is that everybody's got different ideas about it. I mean, it can go
all the way from you know, the very intricate Catholic ceremonies to snake handlers,
and it all starts with we all believe that Christ is the son of
God and also part of this trinity concept, and he the resurrection. That's
your basic tenets of faith. That's it. After that, though, it
turns into all different things. And that's why there's so many different sects as
they call them. Captain Tripp, since you were addressed, go ahead and
uh, you know, if you want to, well, I you know,
I don't disagree with anything either of you said. Uh. Yeah,
there are certain core tenants of Christianity that that you know, you you really
you have to subscribe to or else. I you know, I can't understand
how you call yourself a Christian. But quite frankly, and I'm sure I'm
going to catch catch flack for this one, but I quite frankly don't see
the Christians iionis is really practicing Christianity. I'm not sure what they're practicing,
but it doesn't jibe with anything I've ever read in the Bible. And I've
read it, like I said, I've read it multiple times. So yeah,
you know, and I I tend to subscribe to I think the concept,
you know, I I I think the concept is simply profess your faith
in Christ is not is not all you have to do. You know,
Christ tells you to live your life a certain way, not just say you
believe in him, and he clearly says that. And I have to look
at the scripture because now it just flew out of my mind, but basically
he attributed words to Christ. There there are certain ones of you who will
claim that you're doing my work. You know, you're doing my father's will,
but you're not, and you won't be saved so simply by believing that
Christ is the Messiah, which I do. But I also think that inherent
in that is, if you're going to believe in that, then the other
side of that coint is you are supposed to live your life a certain way.
Not that we're not all sinners, but if you just you know,
I used to always use the concept of so you're trying to tell me that
if you know, two minutes before Adolf Hitler put a bullet in his head,
he professed to be a follower of Christ, that he's forgiven for everything.
That's just you know that, you know, Like, like I've always
said, I got a lot of questions like when I when I get there
right? And I saw I saw a cartoon some years ago, which again
I love, I love my cartoons. Everybody knows that that listens to my
show. But uh, one of the best things was, you know,
like it was like serial killer Cannibal sits there and goes, oh, so
that's my last minute get out of jail free card. So they're about ready
to swoop down on him and like shoot him to death, you know,
like, uh, FBI squad is coming in with the paratroopers, about ready
to put a bullet in his head. And then uh, and then they
switched to Osama bin Laden and Osama bin Laden is waiting to get you know
killed. In the whole story where the you know, the guys bust in
and shoot him right and uh, and he holds up his hands and he
goes, uh, I claim Jesus Christ is my true Lord and Savior.
And as he's getting shot, he gets to go into heaven. And I
kind of went, yeah, that's about how I Yeah, but that's how
I boiled down some people's interpretation. Yeah, Carlin has Carlon has had a
great clip of who's talking about Jerry Folwell, an old Carlon clip? And
they start, when did I say build a water park? Yeah? He's
he sits there. I'm looking through this Bible, and where does it say,
Oh, Sam Kennison did that too? Where did I say build a
slide? Water slide? It could have been you know what, it could
have been Tennyson. I thought it was Carlin, but I remember Kennison doing
it because he had been a preacher and all that. By the way,
brought up in the chat is the idea that Darby also puts to the rapture
cult of American exceptionalism escapist theology. Uh uh, let's see through through that
Thompson Chain Bible. Okay. What's interesting here, though, is that baked
into American culture is also the concept of Calvinism, which is where I start
having big arguments and get myself in trouble cause, you know, the calvin
is pretty much believe that those that are rich and successful are that way because
God ordained them to be that way, and this is the way life is.
So if your life sucks, it's because God decided that's the way your
life's supposed to be. Really weird Calvinism, and I know I've totally oversimplified
it, but it's baked into American culture in a lot of ways. If
you listen to the way, you know, everybody almost always goes to the
idea of, well, you know, you brought this upon yourself, and
that's the way it is. Despite the fact that it seems to me like
the idea of upward mobility is what should be baked into the American culture.
The delusion of it is there, but the brass tax of it end up
more like, no, if you're you know, selected, or you're part
of the elect then you're allowed to be you know, to be fruitful and
thrive, which is always weird when religiosity gets into this because I don't know,
I don't see a lot about your financial success, you know, it's
not like in Star Trek the FARINGI what is it the the rules of acquisition
that they live by. That's not the Bible, you know. Anyways,
we're gonna take a quick break. B Pete has kind of dropped off for
a minute. He might return because he's at work. He might not.
But I've got a couple of callers on the line. I'll get back around
to everybody and anybody else knew that wants to join in absolutely welcome at all
times. Bring up whatever you want, throw on the table, whatever you
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little mister. Oh, anyways, that's what's happening. And uh no,
we're not talking about the fire starter incident just yet because I don't need to
expose him to that right now. Anyway, it is what it is,
It was what it was, It's gonna be what it's gonna be. So
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is what it is? Was what it was like, I said,
gonna be what it's gonna be, Captain Trip. You wanted to dovetail onto
the conversation from the last segment so on you man, I just wanted to
throw in that I found the scripture that I was looking for. It comes
from Matthew chapter seven. It comes out of the parable of the tree and
the fruit. So where we get the when we get the concept of you
know, a good tree bears good fruit, and bad tree bears bad fruits.
But when you get to verse twenty one, not everyone who says to
me, Lord Lord, will enter the Kingdom of heaven, but only he
who does the will of my father in heaven. Many will say to me
on that day, Lord Lord, did we not prophecy in your name,
and in your names drive out demons and perform miracles? Then I will tell
them plainly, I never knew you. Depart from me, you workers of
lawlessness. So therefore, in the next parable is the house on the rock.
Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and acts on them as like
a wise man who builds his house on the rock. But everyone who hears
these words of mine and does not act on them, as like the foolish
man who build his house on sand. The rain fell once raids, and
the winds blew and beat against the house, and it felt and great was
its collapse. So yeah, I don't and I don't buy into the calvinistic
concept of predestination, and certainly don't buy into the concept of you know,
the wealth or favor that was that's and I don't I never really quite figured
out how some of these, some of these later denominations so twisted what was
actually written in the scriptures, because you know, it's it's easier for a
camel to pass through the eye of a needle than a rich man to enter
the gates of heaven. And I'll get off, I'll get off. I'll
get off the pulpit right now. There you go, except for religious you
know. But providence is a concept that I don't necessarily disagree with. I
mean, I think some things are predestined, but there's usually a logical reason
how that got lined up. I mean, you inherit from you know,
your your home and your culture, that you absorb a lot of things that
preset a lot of your destination, for sure. But it seems to me
as though the idea of America anyway, and the spirit of it, if
you will, is supposed to be. I mean, that silly thing they
always told me as a kid is you can be whatever you want to be.
You can ascend whatever heights you want to ascend to make of it what
you will. I always thought that was one of the cornerstones, but I've
been taught otherwise over the years. I just I just always thought that was
the old army commercials from the eighties, be all that you can be in
the army. See it could be that thing I mixed up. P Pete
has rejoined us. By the way, My co host is back, so
I don't know if he wants to add anything in before we go running through
the callers again, or anybody new that shows up at three one nine,
five, two seven, five zero one six. Got plenty of time to
work with tonight if we want it, so, uh, you know,
get on and say whatever you want to say about whatever you want to talk
about. Be Pete, what's uh? What's up? Man? Oh?
Nothing, I just had to go make a traffic check on, so we
go divert traffic into the ditch. Guys, we're working without here or not
the most stellar when he comes to paying attention to detail. But I've been
catching just bits and pieces of the discussion since I took off down the road.
I would like to ask you a favor though that link that I sent
you to the rand Paul op ed that he and unfortunately he you know,
printed it on Fox. I know a lot of people have a lot of
problem with that. But if you'll think back to when we were having discussions,
I remember somebody asked me, and I think it was it may have
been Jimmy James, I'm not sure, but they asked if I thought at
one time that COVID was manufactured for a purpose. And when you look into
that op ed and you read through it and you read about the chronology of
things that went on back in twenty eighteen, I was dead on when I
said that this thing started. It a couple of labs, one of them
being here at the University of North Carolina and North here in North Carolina,
Chapel Hill, right. One of the big proponents of that was a guy
that was that was running the lab there, that was working with Fauci and
apparently in this article. And the only reason I bring it up is because
a lot of the things that we said when this thing first came out,
a lot of things we suspected have been proven to be true. Well even
just to make this point real fast, even one of the things that I
was directly penalized for on YouTube turns out to be a plausible explanation later when
I simply speculated that, of course something like this would come out of a
lab. I don't know if people remember. This might have gone down the
memory hole already, but there was a point in time in which you were
not allowed to say that this could have been manufactured in a lab. You
were punished for it, and I was punished for it on YouTube directly.
It was part of why they took me down. I just wanted to point
that out, Bepede, is that And I wasn't being hard about it.
I was saying that, and should we trust the big pharma companies who have
a track record like this publicly no knowledge about the damage they've done, the
lawsuits, et cetera. And yeah, I was taken down for medical disinformation.
That was one of my major strikes against my account. So but please
go. Yeah, well, I was going to say, you know,
he come to find out that back in twenty eighteen they had made a proposal
to DARPA about this actual project, and you know, Fauci all along was
claiming that he had no knowledge of this, and oh no, you know,
he started out saying, well, it could have been from a lab,
and then they changed course and he actually sponsored a research paper to say
why it couldn't. And now we're finding out that it was to cover his
butt. Because the databases that all these labs put these these actual makeup of
these virus is in when this thing happened, there were some references to viruses
that were in the database that were actually in this Darper proposal. Well,
come to find out, these guys not only pitched this to DARPA, they
pitched it to fifteen different agencies, including the NIH and the Naiad, which
Naiad which is Fauci's department of the NIH, and Fauci's own lab in Colorado
was proposed to be part of this research. And all along he's been telling
Congress, we didn't know anything about it. Nobody had a clue. There
were fifteen government agencies that knew that this thing was proposed, and suddenly a
year later they're all silent. And this took place back when Trump was in
office. So it just goes to show you how far the deep state can
try to suppress things. Here it is, what five years later and we're
finally getting this information out and it was only because of freedom of information requests
that were made, and then finally Congress sat down and said, okay,
we want these documents, we want these emails, we want all this information.
They finally started giving it up, and now we're actually seeing exactly what
happened. I'm just curious to see how long it's going to be before we
start prosecuting some of these people. Oh well, it won't happen. Yeah,
but the evidence is out there. It was all a big sham,
the whole thing. Yeah. Well, see, there you go. Even
though I don't endorse that documentary you know that calls itself the scamdemic or whatever,
because there's some poorly sourced things in there. It's not like the concept
is wrong, concept is correct, execution poor, you know. And here
we go again. Right, you can get penalized for speaking out about the
wrong thing at the wrong time. Absolutely, Look at how many you know.
That's where substack got big. That was the first time I'd ever heard
of substack is when some of these authors of paper said, look, I'm
putting it here because every other platform I put it on I'm being dplatformed,
right, So here it is at my substack that's when I first heard of
substack. Is what we were talking about, all this COVID crap. Right.
But now, like I said, just like the evolution of podcasting,
everybody and their mother's got something, or at least they figured out how to
hook onto X and go out there and do it. Because there's lots of
you know, live podcasts going out on X, you know, so there
you go. Now everybody and their mother has it. But what does it
do a lot of the platforms that you were supposed to have, you know,
equal access to, not so much anymore. And it all swings one
way or the other, and it doesn't really matter. And they think it's
only going after conservatives. No, it goes after anything that could possibly challenge
the system. Okay, And indeed some people they're challenging the system when really
they're making irresponsible statements. You know, people that are out there talking about
you know, they're making violent statements, making threats of violence. You weren't
taken down because of your stance against system. You were taken down because of
your violent statement. You were taken down because you literally were defaming somebody in
some cases, but in cases where people are actually you know, challenging the
system. Yeah, you get hit, you're you know, medical disinformation,
you are an election denier, you are et cetera, et cetera, and
you get those wonderful labels. Anyways, we could go back around to the
callers. What do you think, Bpeach, should we go there or what
next? Yeah, I mean that would be fine. I just want to
add one other point. I've made this point before, and I'm sure people
are tired of hearing it, but when you look at the the Black Book
of Communism, where you look at any of the statistics that have kept so
far, and you look at these regimes and the means of people that have
and killed, you've got Communist China, Soviet Russia, the Nazis in Germany,
and number four Anthony Fauci and his bunch. Well, look, I
know nobody, nobody likes to hear this, but the truth is that the
medical industry and it's wonderful partners in the drug industry have very likely been responsible
for more deaths than all of the wars combined during the time that the United
Statess existed. And that's as far as I'm concerned. An absolute fact doesn't
matter how you want to slice it. Sorry, good, I'll second that.
I'll second that, so you know, sorry, that is just the
way of it. And meanwhile, we're supposed to say no, you need
to blindly do what trust. The science is, The science is the ciens,
right, So that's what he said. I am science. She questioned
me your question in science, So I'd love to question him sitting on a
defendant's chair, and I'm just wondering, if we see a change in government
this next election, and he goes back leaning the other way, if we're
going to start seeing some of this stuff end up in court. Right,
Hey, one of you mainstream jerks who listens to my show, go ahead
and license the Thomas Dolby song, please, And when you decide to cover
some of this stuff and do the she blended me with science, do d
do? Go ahead, do that and play some clips of you know,
because I can't afford to license that. Do that, since you guys do
steal ideas from me, please, because I would love to. I'll play
it on my show and you guys don't have to hit me for a copy,
right, Okay, So there you go, a little little give and
take, little give and take. Nobody works Oh, by the way,
whoever it was that was working for Don Lemon doesn't work for him anymore.
They used to listen to my show, and I'm sorry to see him go.
Uh but who knows, who knows who's listen into me anymore because I'm
seeing weirdo working. Yeah, there was somebody listening to Don Lemon or working
for Don Lemon listening to my show. Yeah, and it was weird because
they literally scripted pieces that were direct quotes off of my show an hour later
on. It was weird stuff they were taking. It wasn't like, you
know, it's not like my ideologies anything like Don Lemon's. But some of
the odd points were word for word, take it out of my guest's mouth
or my mouth an hour later on his show. Yeah. Not when he
would play you know, how Racist is It? Because usually had an hour
of news, you know, news argument, then an hour of how Racist
is It? Where he'd put on you know, the Brady Bunch boxes of
people on the screen, and then you know, let's let's argue over racism.
I don't think he can do that anymore. But he's out there independently
platformed as well, and despite all the contrue controversy with him in interviewing Elon.
I think he's still on X. Also weird the led Don Lemon stay
on there, even though Elon was pissed off at him directly to his face,
but they won't read state Maria Heller. I don't know. It's weird
they put Alex Jones back on, Trump back on, but not Maria Heller.
I don't know. Yeah, Alex is going through a pretty good rehabilitation
here. In the past four or five months. I've noticed, oh yeah,
a whole HBO documentary. I'm not sure if it's a series or if
it's just a long documentary, but just came out a few weeks ago all
about Alex Jones, just saying, you know, and they follow him through
the court proceedings and all this stuff, and you know, they watch him,
you know, violate things, and it would crack me up. Is
the part where he's trying to say that the one guy who's the parent of
one of the Sandy Hook victims. He says, uh, yeah, well,
clearly that guy is what did he use? Mentally, he's kind of
like, you know, on the spectrum or something like that, And then
he walks into a courtroom like an hour later after doing a live broadcast saying
that, sitting like ten feet from the guy and turning around, he's like,
Alex, Alex, you know, he kind of I don't know.
I can't understand why I went so overboard on Sandy Hook, especially after he
saw what happened to FETs her. But you know, the one thing that
stands out to me, and somebody pointed this out before nine to eleven happened.
This was in July, Alex Jones predicted that the towers were going to
be hit and it was going to be blamed on Osama Bin Latton. And
I thought, if Alex Jones can make that prediction, you can't tell me
that our government didn't know what was happening. Yeah, but he stole that
from He stole that from Bill Cooper really still just to be able to make
the pronouncement if he he can put it together. Our government knew that the
thing was gonna happen, No, okay, I don't know why they couldn't
figure that nine to eleven wouldn't be the day they did it proper time context.
Here's the thing. First of all, Bill Cooper figured that one out
Alex Jones stole it from. Secondly, by the time Alex Jones was screaming
about Sandy Hook, uh, Fetzer had not been taken to court yet.
See that's true, Yeah, so true. But but you know, because
Fetzer made the famous comment you know why sue Alex Jones, sue me?
And sure enough they did, they did exactly from a million four right,
but you know, the the billion dollar leaning against Jones. And now he
says, oh, we're bankrupt now, yeah, anyway, you see,
it's all still functioning, everything's fine, right, and he's getting absolutely if
what is his name? Oh, who was the televangelist Jim Baker? No,
well, Jim Baker, Jim Baker. Well, Jim Baker wound up
selling apocalypse buckets or whatever prepared. In fact, a somebody, some court
came down on him about making claims some of the stuff that he was selling.
But yes, you can still get your survival food in a five gallon
bucket, right, a five gallon like a paint bucket of survival food.
And I don't know, I understand, I don't know anybody who's bought it,
but apparently he was doing pretty well with it, you know, I
don't know. I don't know, but it was pretty funny because during some
of the trial clips they showed there, they were like, you know,
there were people working for him that were going, look, we know that
this is going to help us sell our supplements. You know, So they
were targeting supplement ads at a certain time because and when they asked Alex Jones
about it on the stand, he basically would do a commercial. We've been
getting it from the best places in North America. We lab tested everything and
we made short ladies, gentlemen, ard time. And that's what he did
on the stand in the court, which so I don't know. I gotta
say, you gotta watch this HBO thing if you haven't, but you got
it. You gotta give Alex credit. He was very creative when they really
backed him into the corner and he just said, hey, I'm just playing
the persona on my show. I mean, you got to give him credit
for thinking on his team well, hey, hey, that was his lawyers.
And that was during the custody trial right where his you know, his
ex was trying to get custody of the kids, and his defense was I'm
actually a performance artist. That's why for years I was saying, I'm not
crazy. I'm just an actor. I'm a performance artist. So that's why
I was calling him the the the performance artist formerly known as Alex Jones for
a while. But you know, I got a lot of nicknames for him,
Panic attack Jones. You know, I like that because he tries to
ratchet his listeners up. If you listen to it, it's like he's trying
to get you worked up. You know, Like that day that he was
screaming that we were being invaded from the Southern Board that I turned it on
to one day, I'm like, Wow, this is amazing because it almost
sounds like literally there's troops landing in Mexico that are streaming over the border,
that are just taking down the fences that are streaming, I mean like pouring
in, like as if enemy troops were pouring into Texas. Uh, the
way that he made it sound. Now, some people would say that's my
favorite has always been the gay Frogs. Well Gay Frogs is interesting too.
I like when he rips off his shirt toe and starts screaming, challenging people
to fight him, and you know, uh somebody that one day. Yeah,
look, I guarantee that a pay per view with Alex Jones in the
cage with just about anybody would probably sell Oh you know, I'd almost buy
it. Well, we might partner on it, you know what I'm saying.
Get buy a live stream, you know, give me your pass code.
Well we will watch the replay, you know, or maybe we could
both watch it, maybe get more than one viewer on it at a time.
We could do a watch party with it, you know. Anyway,
let's get back around to some of the callers though, that have been patiently
waiting see if they want to add anything to it, or add anything to
the previous discussion. It's all up to them. And I think this is
Chris, but the numbers not identified on my board, is that you Chris?
Yes, all right, excellent, I see I see a phone number,
but no name, so I wasn't sure. And we've had one hang
up or two hang ups. But anyway, you're back on, and I
think Jimmy James is up after you. So anything you want to add in
here, or you want to go in another direction, or should we talk
about the Bible the guy lightened himself on fire, Alex Jones, or do
you have another idea? It's up to you now realistically enough time to go
into everything that i'd like to be able to discuss. I would like to
touch on what a Bepete was talking about in terms of the you know,
COVID nineteen. Sure, I've learned to adopt it, you know, calling
it a convent nineteen. You know, I didn't coin that phrase be pretty
suitable. Okay, convent night. Did you explain that? Would you mind?
Because I never heard that. You're good, Well man, it's well,
we were all caught, you know, by the whole thing. Okay,
that that's pretty much. That pretty much sums it up. I mean,
I mean, I mean, shoot, I mean he can look back
like I mean, you know, it's been a while since I did it,
but I mean you can you you should, unless they've scraped it from
the internet, which hopefully I'm not the only person that's aware that you know
that you know, listen to this podcast or part of this podcast at this
moment, and how they scrape information from the internet every once in a while,
you know, just go there or at least bury it, you know.
But I mean you can look up to where I mean, there are
patents that were fouled, you know, for you know COVID nineteen testing.
You know, it wasn't when they initially and this I want to say this,
they back to twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen. You know, it's been
it's been a while since as more familiarized with the general idea of twenty eighteen
twenty nineteen, where they were developing and submitting patents for the testing. Well,
Chris, what are you pandemic? Yeah? What you're telling me,
Chris, is that you know, ahead of the surprise virus that supposedly shut
down you know, whole chunks of the world ahead of that, you know,
the virus they claimed they had no heads up on, they had no
warning about. What you're saying is somebody had tests in hand already, you
know, ahead of that. Is that what you're saying, Yes, sir,
okay, no, just check well, I mean, you know,
conveniently, like you know, and I'm not trying to I mean, I'm
still saying I'm somewhat on subject, but I mean, you know, today
with the must be the eighth five N one, you know, the than
the news strain of the avian bird flu that we're all supposed to be scared
him. And guess what you know where the US has been spending money for
gain the function research for H five N one, the Wuhan Center of Virology.
Right, that's that's somewhat somewhat new news. You know that a lot
of people probably aren't familiar with. But it's Sims too. Well, you
know, the only thing that was surprising. I'm sorry, no, I
just wanted to say, Chris, if you don't mind, the only thing
that was surprising to me is that it wasn't yet again another uh, another
sort of boogeyman, another vaporous thing. Because for decades now we've been treated
to get ready for the new bird flu, get ready for the new swine
flu, get ready for the new zeke even back in the eighties. Oh
yeah, there's something that's going to kill us every other year, yeah,
every other year. Right. It was either it was either that or the
killer bees that were going to migrate, and you know, and we were
going to be overwhelmed one way or another, overwhelmed with a swarm or a
pandemic that was come and come and coming, and it was constant reusing them.
Like I said, it was zekea, it was bird flu. They
had that flesh eating thing for a little while that was gonna be big,
you know, because a couple of people didn't forget. Don't forget monkey pox?
Oh, monkey pox? Right right, amos, you please do not
say monkey pox. That is extremely racist. Wait monkey pox, Yeah you
don't, yeah, chuck, believe it or not. Somehow somebody turned monkey
pox into being a racist, so now they call it impos In fact,
we had a story. You get two people that caught it here in North
Carolina. I was not aware that monkeys could be offended. But if they
are, my apology, my monkey brothers go go right ahead, lamp box,
all right, pine some kind of pox. But look the different flus,
right, the different What was the other thing that was gonna get us?
All they had to give us? Everybody has to get a human papaloma
virus treatment now too, right, because even if you don't have a cervix,
you can get cervical cancer or spread it. I don't know, I
don't know what the hell's going on, you know what I mean? With
all these diseases that were supposed to come and get us, but finally they
had one that they actually had to act upon, you know what I mean,
as opposed to the panicking and the warnings about the thing that never shows
up. I mean, you gotta crying wolf for a while works, but
every once in a while you got to show people a wolf. I guess,
you know, I don't know. This is just my speculation, but
you might know better than me, Chris. Maybe maybe there's more to it.
But it just seemed to me like there was a virus dezure for years
that was gonna come, that was on its way. And occasionally, Yeah,
I liked the zecra virus thing though, because you had the kids with
like the shrunken heads or whatever. I mean, there was a weird thing
going on. I couldn't nail down zeca virus. But yeah, bird flu
and swine flu were the constants. It seems like, I mean, Captain
Trips, wait a minute, we have a medical practitioner on the line.
Uh. Trips helped me out what was this series of flus that were supposed
to kill us all? And maybe maybe you could comment on this a little
bit. I mean, you know, he traced it back to the Spanish
flu, which wasn't Spanish of nineteen eighteen, And the truth of the matter
is that that most of those people that died didn't die from the damn flu.
They died of secondary bacterial pneumonia. And another interesting thing that I came
to find out about the Spanish flu that occurred when aspirin was brand new,
no one knew how to dose it. Half of these people died of ask
for overdoses because they bled out. So I mean, yeah, they,
oh yeah, you want to ask you ques question? Go ahead, Okay,
I heard no. No, you know, I'm not expert on any
subject, but i'd heard it in regards to the Spanish flow that pretty much
how they when they were connected their initial studies, you know, originally many
many years ago, like I mean and or you know, yeah, their
methods of infecting people were I mean, there's some and there's some questions.
Could that could be a risen? Yes, yes there are there are definitely
something I'm familiar with it because the first case is that it came out of
an army base I think it was Fort Levenworth actually, and then they shipped
all these you know, they shipped all these guys to Europe. But yes,
there there's some there is some questions as to the to the actual origins
and you know, like everything else the story is very clouded now, you
know, we're well over one hundred years past it. But I mean,
to me, that's what that's what kicked off the modern in the modern pandemic
scare porn. And then you had this, you know, the supposed swine
flu that was going to kill everybody in the seventies and actually more people died
of their magic juice than died of the actual virus itself. You know,
in terms of this latest I mean, Zica was Zica was a bunch of
bullshit because that that that was supposedly going to directly affect my practice area and
where I was practicing when that was at its peak, we would have had
those babies. I'd never ever saw a baby tested positive for Zeca virus,
so I'm not that that to me was a crop. Well, this latest
thing with the good I was just going to say, another fun threat during
the cycles of threat was that Ebola was going to come and get us any
times. Yeah, I haven't heard it from it Bola in a while.
The Bola virus has been out of the headlines. I think that fell out
of favor. But real quick, just as a reference, real quick,
just as a reference, I guess who was on this show, Jessica Rose.
Uh. Doctor Jessica Rose is constantly writing on substack about the different developments
regarding the uh you know, the variance of the the the the COVID whatever
whatever you want to call it. Uh. She is constantly putting out up
to date information and research on her substack, which I've now posted a link
to in the o'celli chat room as well. So sorry, and you actually
you were on that show with Jessica Rose one of them, weren't you?
Yeah? Yeah, okay, Yeah, I've talked to her. I've talked
to her his plice. Yeah. I mean, the only the only question
I have remaining on COVID is did it accidentally escape or was it purposely released?
And I'm honestly leaning toward the fact that it was purposely purposely released.
Yeah, I can't independently from that. And the thing with a Bola and
the reason why that's going to drop out of it, they're going to give
up on that. A virus like ebola is never going to become a pandemic.
It's too fatal. And that's the reason why they were able to pull
off the COVID crap because when when you have a virus, I mean,
ebola has something I mean true, a bola has something like a ridiculous fatality
rate. Yeah, because before it can escape, well let me let me
put this in Layman's terms, if you don't mind, before it can escape
an area and spread, what happens is people die so fast that it literally
contains itself. You can't get the disease to go further than a certain amount
of time unless somebody intentionally weaponized and launched it. You say, yeah,
that would be that would be how it would have to have to happen.
Yeah, I mean because you die literally, I think, what is it,
like, seventy two hours is the maximum you get to live if you
get in with this thing? I forget. It's pretty bad. Yeah,
I mean it's pretty bad. It's within five days. I think most most
people die. Yeah again Layman here, but I'm just saying, similar to
Marburg. Similar to Marburg. So there you have it. I mean,
so it kills too quickly. I'm sorry, No, I was just gonna
say, it just kills too quickly. So that's why a bola is not
useful as a big global threat, because it would just it would come in
it would crash, it would kill in an area and be done. But
this kind of thing, you linger, and it hangs on the idea behind
this, which is how you can say, look, it's everywhere now,
so don't leave your house, you know, and if you get it,
you might not even feel like you got it everything else. So now you're
questioning every cold and sniffle. And I mean, look, I don't know
anybody honestly that wasn't a little guilty of wondering if they caught it the second
their nose dripped or something. You know, they had a little something that
they would have written off his allergies long ago, and they're going, oh
god, you know, is that COVID? And if they weren't doing it,
people around them were. Like I said, when I went out to
a store when the masking thing really took hold, which did not last in
Georgia long at all. But I went to a store with Frankie and I'm
standing there and I like coughed and didn't think about any of this, and
and somebody jumped, like did a weird kind of like acrobatic jump to get
out of the way of me coughing. Standing online at a circle k right,
and I was like, oh, look, I'm sorry, but I'm
a smoker. I coughed, you know smoker's cough. No, it's not
it's not the rona. Okay, like I have been an announcement. I
was a store. You go good. I was. I was. I
was in scrubs one day, I was getting I was filling up my gas
tank coming home from work, and I had some moron yelling at me for
wearing scrubs outside of a hospital because I was going to spread COVID. Right,
So I said to me, let me hug you left, hug you.
That's that's hilarious. Give me a hut. Come on, come on,
give me a hug. Fair enough. It was a hero. Yeah.
Wait, wait, aren't they supposed to be banging pots on their balconies
for you because you're wearing scrubs? Or that was the other weird Yeah,
okay. You know when I when I tell people I'm in medicine, my
next comment is say place they please don't hold it against me, right,
I mean, you realize when I make these comments about and I say it
all the time, that the Captain Tripps is practically the only literal medical practitioner
that I trust in the world, uh, like the only one outside of
like, you know, I I trust what Jessica Rose is putting out because
I've checked through it. But I'm saying somebody actually know personally that's it.
I don't forget it anybody else says their doctor anything. I mean, Dennis
are very necessary though, because another thing to put in context with the Spanish
flute thing is that you take a look at the commonality of declarations of death,
which is studying death certificates for a while. I did that as part
of when I was training myself regarding medical legal autopsy. Okay, And there
was a time period in which in the Greek brought this up. He's the
only person I've ever heard of bring it up on the Ocellian the Greek rated
Why thing we do? He said, you know, there was a time
period there, like I was talking about how heart failure is the constant refrain
of cause of death during a certain time period, and he said, yeah,
but look back at this other time period you'll see that it's all connected
to dental problems. And he was correct. There's a whole bunch of topic.
Yeah, there's a time period where yeah, it was one of the
most common things is you died from either infections from you know, bad a
tooth goes bad to get an infection in the mouth. There was other toxicities
linked to tooth decay, uh, you know, like the swallowing or inhaling
of a tooth, which causes damage that winds up bleeding to somebody's death.
Super common for like a decade and a half in the twentieth century one of
the most common causes of death listed. And he was right. And I
didn't even realize that even though I had looked back at the history for a
while, because I was more stunned with the idea that everybody dies of a
heart attack. But anyway, go ahead, trips, well, think think
think of it. Think of it this way. What's what's you know,
short of short of IV, what's the quickest way to get something into the
body sublingually? Right, you know, under the tongue, you know,
and so you know, if you got to if you've got a mouth swimming
with pathogenic by bacteria, it's it can go right into your bloodstreams. You
know. If you have people that have had heart replaced heartfil replacements, you
you know, before you have dental any type of dental work, you have
to go onto an antibiotic for I think it's seventy two hours and a look.
But you know, you go into an antibiotic prior to getting an eating
done in your mouth just because you know it's it's a direct route right into
the bloodstream, right. So yeah, no, he is, he is
correct about that. No, and it causes all I mean, and I've
you know, been through several abscesses in my mouth and stuff like that because
I've had broken and bad teeth. But it is it is very likely one
of the that that'll probably be my likely cause of death when it comes around,
is a bad tooth will probably kill me, which is weird. But
but it'll be attributed to a heart attack still because that's still one of the
most common things. They either have respiratory failure or a heart attack basically some
sort of a form of uh yeah, you know it. It basically is
is the heart stopped? Is the description one way or another. There's a
couple of different ways they phrase it, but I mean, and to me,
it's like that's the effect, that's not the cause. I always find
that to be one of the most lazy things on a coroner's report or on
the you know, on the autopsy report, when they attribute it to heart
failure, because that's usually not the price. It's like, that's what occurred
after something else went wrong in my mind. Well, you know, you
know, a lot, a lot of the problem, a lot of the
problem with that is just how you fill out death certificates. It is such
a and it varies from state to state. But I don't do them in
Florida. I did them. I did them up north, and it is
it is so convoluted the way you have to write it, and you actually
steal out a death certificate that you know, if you haven't done them,
they don't make any sense, and if you're new at doing them, and
nobody checks them, so half of them are wrong anyway. Right, And
here's the funny part and a scary thing that a lot of people don't know.
But in the majority of h different uh what would we call them,
you know, in different places locations in uh, in different places where you
you're you are the authority, where you're the coroner per se. In the
United States, the majority of them don't even require you to actually be a
doctor. In order to be a corner. I don't know if people know
this, but uh, you know, I mean literally, if you have
somebody who is a medical examiner or a corner, they may not be medically
trained even which is a really bizarre thing. Or if they are, it's
very minimal. Uh. They don't require doctors to feel so it's a weird
thing. It is a very weird thing. So yeah, death certificates,
uh should be red with a grain of salt. I'm just just telling you
at all times anyway, Sorry about that. I just and COVID point and
COVID pointed that out. How many people died of a diet in a car
accident, but they you know, they swapped them for for COVID and you
supposedly found a positive PCR and listened COVID is the death. Yeah, and
that sounds completely insane. Anything else, but it sounds completely insane. I
mean, trips, you gotta be you gotta be honest subjectively, right,
that sounds totally crazy. But again, I experience with reading these things,
and also, like you pointed out, knowing how they're filled out, I
am now not surprised that there are you know, Yeah, Okay, car
accident turns into a COVID death. I'm not surprised at all based on the
fact that, Yeah, I got to think back to when I had to
learn about how that was done. I guarantee you I'm better qualified as a
corner than half of the corners in the country. I guarantee it. And
I'm legally blind and have a high school diploma, and I guarantee you I
could do better then half of the people you have out there writing up death
certificates. Anyway, Sorry, it would not surprise me. It would not
surprise me. So let me let me break into here real quick. Oh
yeah, b PTE, sure, yeah, let me break in here real
quick. I've got to head down the road and we're getting ready to start
rolling here big time. So I just wanted to, you know, say
thanks to everybody for calling in. Captain Trips, Jim, James, Chris.
I hope to see you next week, hopefully I won't have this heck
of your schedule. But before I leave, I want y'all to forget,
you know, the forgotten virus that we don't think about, and that's the
hunt of virus. Never heard anything about that? Yeah, so do you
guys? Have a great night, and we will catch you next week and
go to a Chelli dot com and that donate button. I do appreciate that.
Thank you be Pete my coast on Friday nights, and that that makes
Captain Trips my default co host for the remainder. Uh. But anyway,
I have put I have to put everybody on hold, so I'll leave it
up to you Trips. Uh. I think we only have let's just double
check here. I think we have Chris and Jimmy James still on the line.
Now. We could let them loose both at the same time, but
I would prefer that we let Jimmy on first. Or whatever it is you
want to do. You want to take it in another direction on A shout
out to the hantavirus is not sorry, a shout out to the haunt of
virus. It's not how I want to end the show for sure, So
let's go in another direction. What do you think? I agree? Yeah,
And actually I think hunted. Hunted is another one of those viruses that
is so is so damn fatal, the mortality so high that it's very similar
to ebola. It's it's gonna it's gonna localize and it's gonna kill too many
people that ever really spread. Right, But I agree with you. We
had not heard from Jimmy for a while, so I would say bring it
on exactly. So let's hear from Jimmy James. But you know, I'll
remind people again that movie Outbreak with Dustin Hoffman. Uh yeah, I think
they discussed the Haunta virus in there. Not a lot of detail, but
enough for you to know that. Again, it's something that Outbreak would be
easy to control. All you'd have to do with minimal containment, I mean,
as sad as it is, is just keep it to a restricted area
for a minute and it won't go far. I mean, it's just that
simple. You're either dead or not. That's it. And yeah it doesn't,
it doesn't hang out for very long. But then again, pathogens,
to my knowledge, you know, they are that way until they do change,
and they often change over time, right, they they do. But
the trick is the key. The key to remember with that is it's always
an inverse relationship. So if the virus, so the pathogen becomes more effective,
it also becomes less virulent, which is actually what you saw with COVID,
right, You know, as it becomes it spreads more easily, and
as it spreads more easily, it loses it, It loses its virulent So
the you know, each actual true case of someone who has the virus and
is sick tends to be milder as the virus becomes more infectious. That was
what you know. That's why a lot of people, including myself, think
that omicron was a direct lab creation, right as if as if to say
it was started, it was thrown. It was thrown into the mix to
be less virulent and spread more easily. And funny thing about great most of
the sorry. A funny thing about science fiction though, is often when you
see the common cold reintroduced after it's been defeated among humanity, whenever you see
it come back, people talk about, well, this is going to be
lethal and fatal. Indeed, I think that would be the case, is
if the cold was sort of eliminated for a while and no longer in circulation
when it got reintroduced back to the human organism, I think that it would
be fatal, almost like ebola, where you know, you'd probably get overwhelmed
completely, not be able to breathe and suffocate. The death from a common
cold if it's been removed from circulation for I don't know, a century,
two centuries, not sure how long. But if it got reintroduced, especially
in its old form, our systems wouldn't be prepared for it, and boom,
it would be lethal, you know. And you see that in science
fiction, not only Star Trek, but I mean everything from Futurama to other
dystopian things where the common cold gets it's reintroduced into the population. One wonders
if somebody doesn't have a long term plan about that, you know, take
away a disease that people were prepared for for a while, you know,
and then you have yourself a wonderful biological weapon, you know, a couple
of generations from now. And for those of you that think you're going to
live forever because of you know, transhumanist technology, hey, maybe you could
hang around long enough to wipe out a whole lot of us useless eaters.
Huh. Anyway, Jimmy James should be back on the line. Jimmy,
you're there, I'm here. Great, So we're going over time a little,
so you have time. Go ahead, all right, what's opracrime?
What did you say about oprachrime. What is that again? So omicron was
the was the supposed COVID variant that came out that was first first recognized in
I want to say it was November twenty twenty one, and it looks and
you've had you've had quite a few researchers that have actually looked at all the
sequences that state that that's what they think too, that it was definitely a
lab created. It was lab created to be more infect more infectious, and
less virulent. Because if you notice, that's when you stopped hearing about the
COVID deaths was once the omicron strain took hold. Everybody was getting the damn
thing and the majority of the people that were getting it one didn't know they
had it, and the ones that did have symptoms were having very mild cold
like symptoms to at worst a case of the flu. Was that before or
after the delta variant? That was after delta delta? Okay, yes,
it's hard to keep it. Yeah, in my mind, it's been so
long I blocked out that will quoint will be the piece of history that except
naming each part of the supposed disease mm hmm, yeah, one right,
I was gonna just say, the great majority of the variants came from the
fact that they tried to vaccinate in the middle of a pandemic, which you
know that you have, you had quite a few, You had quite a
few people that knew what they were talking about and said that that there could
you don't there's not a worse idea than trying to vaccinate and know of a
pandemic. And very similar to how you have antibiotic resistant bacteria, virus just
adapts and it, you know, it escapes, it escapes whatever whatever ridiculous
immunity that you may have gotten from that that poison that they were sticking into
people, and it just caused it just caused a variance fact very basically.
Well, see, that's the other strange thing is I thought that that would
have been the consensus regarding people because remember, I'm a guy who is very
very leary of anything they call a vaccination and right, but you don't have
to be an anti VAXX person to sit there and go, wait a minute,
this doesn't fit the rules that you people said were absolute for the longest
time. And I don't mean you Captain Tripps, but I do mean are
the people that were supportive of vaccinations, the people that swore up and down
you needed your flu shots, all of that. It seems to me as
though the common you know, wisdom among them would have said, you can't
do this in the midst of this thing being loose and spreading, because if
you do, you're going to almost ensure that there will develop not in every
patient, but you'll even if you take all the science and face value and
you say you believe in it all and you're with it all, you're almost
ensuring that there will be new mutations of this because at some point they will
resist the vaccination and through that resistance, I mean this happened with pneumonia,
where pneumonia became more fatal because of the overuse of antibiotics. In my mind,
nobody seems to claim that that's true, although they are starting to admit,
you know, maybe we overdid it with the antibiotics in the population,
But nobody's saying straight out that they caused more cases of pneumonia or more fatal
cases of pneumonia by over prescribing antibiotics for decades. But it seems to me
as though that was the result. It's not even it's not even the prescription
antibiotics, but it's all the antibiotics that are in the food. Well,
that's the thing is if you have a full spectrum antibiotic and now you have
a pneumonia that broke through all that, and you've been getting your antibiotics for
Oh, I have an itch in my ear, here's an antibiotic. I
have an itch on my skin. Here's another one. Plus you're eating and
drinking them because the animal products are loaded with them. If you have all
that coming together and you get pneumonia, kinda says to me that pneumonia is
resistant to the antibiotics that you have flowing in your system. Now, maybe
that's me over simplifying things, but it says that now you have an antibiotic
resistant pneumonia. And by the way, I'm somebody who came up with an
antibiotic resistant pneumonia at some point, because I've had pneumonia about six or seven
times in my life now when I had it as a teenager or even earlier,
once as a small kid, but once as a teenager, and it
all came from poor living conditions and bad ventilation. But the truth is that
that was not resistant. They were able to fight it with the antibiotics.
I got a little older, and the same thing happened to me. They
gave me virtually the same antibiotics and got zero results, and then I had
to go through a bunch of them before any of them worked personally, And
it seems to me as though that's not an uncommon it's not a special Ocelli
reaction. It seems to me to be a common issue. Now, you've
treated many cases in pnemonia UH with infants. I bet because it's probably one
of the more common ailments that a lot of critical babies come up with,
because breathing is one of the biggest issues in early life. I mean,
I could be wrong, Go ahead. It is no, no, no,
you're absolutely The one thing you have to remember about pneumonia pneumonia, believe
it or not, is that not not the disease itself. Pneumonia is actually
a result. So basically what pneumonia is that you basically have a consolidation in
your lung right, So whether it's coming you have you know, a virus
can cause pneumonia, bacteria can cause p amumonia. So you know, people
you tend to we tend to use the term pneumonia as as like a blanket
term. But you also have to have to look at what's causing the moonia.
But what you're saying about the antibiotics is absolutely correct. And yes,
I've treated talentless cases of pneumonia and yeah, but what you're saying about the
and it does make perfect sense that first exposure to an antibiotic is most likely
going to take care of it. And if your first case of ammonia was
you know, bacterial on ammonia was as a teenager and you weren't exposed to
these things in great number. But as you know, as you get older,
the more antibiotics you get in your system. And it's not just that,
it's just the bacteria themselves have you know, have have have adapted to
get around they they've you know, when when I look at you know,
if I get a if I have a blood culture for instance, you know,
we also get we get a blood culture and then you know, usually
you find out in twenty four to forty eight hours if something is growing,
and then generally by seventy two hours you get a report back of what the
actual bacteria is and also what antibiotics is resistant or susceptible to. And yeah,
I mean you see I've seen you see some of these some of these
bacterial infections that you're not going to use a common antibiotics for. I mean,
you're talking about you You're you're talking about really big guy. You know,
have had to use some really big gun antibiotics in in uh in daties
for for resistant bacteria. Right. But as a grown person, you know,
it was like very common, very very close something you know, one
of the miasins, something very close to like you know, a penicillin was
effective. Now they had to give it to me by IV, but it
was effective. Later on they try giving me, you know, the same
conditions apply and they try giving me that again and it does nothing. So
then they step it up and it does nothing. And the next thing I
know is I can only get this thing via a shot because it's you know,
one of these more controlled antibiotics. I mean, at one point,
roseepan was one of them that they were shooting me up with, and it
was like, yeah, that's not quite working either. They had to go
a step further, you know, And meanwhile, my lungs are okay,
I have a little bit of scarring. But my lungs are in remarkably good
shape considering the fact that I've been smoking for forty years and and indeed pad
pneumonia several times. So I have some scar tissue in my lungs now.
But anyway, I have a question about these ant about some garbage food.
Yes, my understanding, if you cook this thing right, well, as
you cook it thoroughly, that junk shuit stoopy in there? Should it?
Well, here's the problem, right milk? I honestly don't know the answer
to that question. Well, here's the problem milk most I mean, you
might cook milk sometimes, but most times you don't cook milk. And there's
definitely antibiotics present in a lot of milk based on the way the dairy industry
handles its cow. Uh. So there's that. Eggs. Eggs is eggs
is another one. If you if you're buying eggs that are you kind of
you know, standard eggs will call them as opposed to you know, better
free range organic eggs. Yeah, and eggs eggs aren't cooked at all.
So if the chickens are getting antibiotics, you are probably getting exposed to it
through eggs. A cooking it. That's honestly, Jimmyjims, I don't know
the answer to that question. It is a good question that I do not
have the ag Yeah, I'm not sure on that either, but I will
tell you this, I cannot eat and for the past ten fifteen years,
I can't eat regular eggs. If I want to use an egg, I
have to go for the high priced free range. You know, we don't
use any antibiotics in our chickens eggs, otherwise I get an allergic reaction.
So I've developed what they call an egg allergy. Now since I'm like well,
actually about twelve years around the time I turned forty, all of a
sudden I was allergic to eggs and not sure why. I never was,
you know, eggs used to be a staple part of my diet actually,
but at a certain point, I don't know. And if I try to
eat, you know, common eggs, every once in a while, I
will risk and go through the allergic reaction to get an egg McMuffin because for
some reason, I don't know, they just represent comfort food to me,
egg mcmuffins, you know. But honestly, anytime I try to eat a
standard egg or somebody uses. Even if missus O bakes a cake, I
tell her she's got to go get the you know, expensive ass eggs,
because I can't eat anything with one of those eggs in it, no matter
how you cook it, mix it. If it's got egg product, it
has to be the high grade eggs, the free range, you know,
organic all that. And by the way, not all organic eggs, even
some organic eggs like Walmart has an organic egg and whatever they call organic,
you gotta really check and see what they mean by that because they might you
know, they might not shoot them up with anything, but what are they
feeding them? And literally, if they're feeding them non organic crap, well,
then indeed, I'm now taking in whatever it is. And I don't
know if that's all based on the hormones or the antibiotics or what, but
I know that if I go for eggs, I gotta go for the more
ones, which you're cleaner. It's just that simple. Yeah, And that's
been a weird thing so food, And it's a weird thing to ask about
the cooking because cooking kills microbes and it kills worms, you know, especially
when you're talking about pork and stuff like that. Which I don't eat pork
anymore. But the thing is that if you eat pork, you definitely got
to cook it well, because otherwise you're asking for worms. But other than
that, I don't know if you can actually kill off the antibiotics by cooking
them. I mean, it might change them. It's a good question,
It's a really good question. And there's that that also raises the question if
if cooking is changing the antibiotics, is it is that Is that chemical reaction
in and of itself causing the problem. I don't know. You're right,
because it doesn't make Let's just say it does change it, but doesn't destroy
it completely. What is the effect of eating the partially destroyed antibiotics? And
has anybody done a study on that? I I asked that question all the
time, Well where is the stuffy right? And most times you'll find that
there's either been no study or there's some piece of data that was collected,
you know, on the side of something else. It just so happens that
we collected this piece of data. But you know, take a look at
the controls and everything else. You might not have a solid study being done
on the question you're asking. But it's a good thing to look into.
I think it's worthy of looking into. Actually we should look into what is
the effect on cooking animal products that are you know, saturated with antibiotics.
I think that's a fair question. Jimmy. Yeah, it's a very good
fight, and I really don't know. So before we get through with this,
I'm thinking that I'll bring Chris on, unless Jimmy, you got something
else you want to independently lay on the table. No. Thanks b Pete
for checking up on that Dorothy Hunt thing, right, And you understood what
I said about Skullnick on that though, right. I mean cause I'm fair
to the guy, and I think a Skulnick as as kind of like an
unsung hero in the JFK, you know, research history. But I view
everybody, you know, I never get into hero worship. I try to
view everybody as objectively as possible, as honestly as possible. And Skulnick,
despite some of the great, you know, advances he was able to make
with limited resources, in some cases, he still made some questionable assertions that
sometimes he didn't have very much to back them with. You know, here
for a second, I actually have to I'm gonna have to go no problem.
I'm gonna bid everyone good evening, and it was a pleasure talking to
everyone, and we will do it again soon, all right, absolutely,
thanks Captain Tripps. Of course, Captain Trips joined us for two shows this
week, so uh, double duty on the O'Kelly effect. No shows for
a long time, then two in the same week, and hopefully we'll hear
from you some more. Brother, have a good night you too, Take
care guys. By way, anyway, Jimmy, that leaves you and me,
and uh, let's get Chris in on it too, okay, yep,
Well, so there we go as the So I'll leave everybody on and
the weenie dogs might chime in, but let's get our last words in for
the week unless somebody else happens to join us. Last minute three one nine
five two seven five zero one six Chris, you got anything you want to
toss on there or talk to Jimmy about or whatever. I was hoping to
catch a last minute with Captain Tripps, but well, you know, you
know well that that's not gonna happen. Sorry, I didn't know he had
to go, and then he just announced it as it happened, So he's
actually at work on call. Yeah, he's actually at work on call,
so who knows. It could have been an emergency, uh for one of
the babies. He actually, you know, takes care of babies that are
uh you know, uh, in not critical condition need intensive care. That's
generally his day job. So anyway, Chris, anything you want to toss
in here though, No, pretty much. I hope everybody has a great
week, and I appreciate your time. Uh, and I appreciate you.
Jimmy James, you got a final word for the week as we have both
lines open and uh just about ready to close this one out. Thanks Chris
and Chuck. By any chancer, you can soon have that woman the archives
down there, the archivist. Who are we talking about? She's building up
the May Brussel stuff. She calls herself the archivist. She's just on William
Ramsey's podcast, one of his newer ones. Hmmm. Well, she's trying
to raise money to improve the May Brussel's site to have an actual physical location
and to her the archivist. She want Someone asked her who played the guitar
in the first few episodes. It was called Dialogue Assassination. That was May
Brussel's son. I remember her saying that in one of the early episodes.
Yeah, that's true, so that I do recall. You're correct about that
because I remember, yeah, the guitar part she had her son do that.
You're right, but the archive is I don't have a contact for her,
but she was recently on William Ramsey. Yeah, it sounds like she's
taking up the madle Okay, well, get the May Brussels stuff done and
keeps getting it. A lot of the digital stuff is, like I guess,
while on its way, and they're wanting to have an actual physical place
that people can go and see some of May's material instead. Well, that
would be interesting. I would be all for that, So you know what,
I'll get in touch with William Ramsay and see if I can get her
on. I know that Lenosanek was actually running the Maybrussel dot org site for
a while, and through there you used to be able to get like a
spindle of CDs with eight hundred shows. I don't know if they were in
MP three format, I think they were, but the eight hundred or so
shows you could get on CD through that organization at one point, But I
don't know who's been in charge of it, who's run it. I haven't
gotten myself a spindle of those seas. I don't even know how much it
would cost today. Probably somebody could stick it on a thumb drive and do
it for twenty bucks if they wanted to. But you know I would.
I would be more than happy to get myself a copy of her radio shows,
the eight hundred or so that were on MP three format that were available
out there. Matter of fact, when I was on ucy dot tv,
uh, the owner of that network had the the archive shows and late at
night, in the middle of the night, you got h May Brussel replays
and Bill Cooper replays. Yeah. Now was that a UH station, Chuck,
No, no, no, it was an online thing. It was
ucy dot tv, like instead of a dot net or a dot com.
Yeah, you know they have the dot tv addresses instead of dot com.
Yeah kind of. Yeah. Well initially, initially, yeah, initially Ucy
was supposed to be UH for video podcasting, but it was so expensive to
host it. Uh, they went with the audio and they wound up running
an audio radio network, and I was That was the first place that I
was broadcast live and there were others on there, a whole bunch of other
hosts, and late at night when nobody wanted to do a show, at
two, three, four in the morning, they had May Brussel and Bill
Cooper replay, so you get like the ancient mystery series from Bill Cooper and
then it would switch over to you know, May Brussel, and she had
the owner of that network had the entire Brussel Archive that she would get you
know, old shows from and replay them on there. I used to listen
to that late at night. And to my understanding, there's a couple of
a media networks out there still, you know, struggling out there that that
might still do the same thing, but I haven't run across them personally because
I might become a regular listener to that network. Yeah, she said that.
She they're like gonna do a new like do an update of old shows,
like you know update that was doing information. So they're pretty uh and
ambitious in their in their goals. I mean it's quite uh. Well,
if you look at the William Ramsey podcast with the archives, well, I'll
just write to William Ramsey. I'll just you know, I actually I actually
have a friendly contact with William, so I could write to him at any
time. He's always been happy to pass along contacts, and I've done the
same for him. Uh, him and I have shared I don't know if
you ever noticed, but occasionally you'll see a guest pop up between us similar
on occasion. Yeah, because I'm at least friendly with William and him and
I used to be on what was it Awake Radio together. Uh. They
were one of the ones that would simulcast this show and yeah Awake, Yeah,
Awake Radio. It was called dude, you're about my age? You
do you remember on Sundays? How Originally when we were kids in the afternoons,
they started out playing cowboy movies and then they switched to karate movies because
karate was popular. But then right before like Senior Citizen Golf and all that
garbage. There was like a few years there were on my UHF channel,
we had some really interesting that's when the good shows were on, like those
alternative guys that used to sit around the table, remember, yeah, these
guys remember them? Yeah? Actually, I remember a lot of good stuff
on independent UHF channels, you know, because I was in New York,
New Jersey, so we had a lot of broadcast outlets, and there there
was a bunch of great UHF channels. One of them was just U sixty
eight and they used to do music videos late at night, back when MTV
stopped doing music video. I thought that was great. But they also had
these weird independent shows that were always short lived. It was sort of like
a step up from your local cable access some of them. And occasionally there
were UHF channels that are pretty much like they are today, you know,
like the uh the me TV and you know, just just running old reruns
of shows like right now, you could probably turn on one of those channels
and get a Gilligan's Island or Star Trek episode from the sixties or yeah,
good, it turns out UHF one, because that's pretty much with digital TV
is UHF. Yeah. But they took away all their signals uh the Yeah,
they confiscated all those signals. They confiscated that in the CB signals,
uh the CD bands and now that's all occupied. Yeah. I don't see
why they couldn't have kept simultaneously broadcasting. It went't a cost of them anything,
No, But again, you're also old enough Jimmy James to remember the
days when CB broadcasts occasionally could literally bleed over your TV channel, you know,
for those of us that couldn't afford cable and we're still dealing with broadcast
in the eighties. And you know, guess what. You'd be sitting there
watching, you know, All in the Family or something, you know,
rerun the Ball in the Family or a news show at whatever, the news
even, and all of a sudden a CB voice would break in and you'd
hear some crazy distorted echoed, you know, coming up on ninety five and
there's all kinds of Messa role and it would bleed over and literally take over
your TV broadcast. You remember that, Oh my friend, my friend was
swearing he was being tormented by a demon. I figured out what it was.
It's just a tackle bell, you know, they're ordering thing was going
through to where he was hearing it on his radios to TV and crap,
Yeah, they're wireless close to their wireless band. Was probably too close to
the band. Yeah that happened. You know what when else that happened is
in the days of when everybody had those you know, when everybody still had
a house phone. Is the uh the antenna's right, remember the phones with
the giant antenna on them. They literally had to like pull out the antenna
like it was on a radio and you could use your cordless phone. Well
those were great, but here's the problem. Uh, if you and your
neighbors had you know, similar motorolas, or maybe you had a radio,
uh that was made by the same company, you could sometimes tune in and
listen to their phone conversations because of the way it was. And they had
that problem with baby monitors too, the wireless baby monitors, where you know,
there were people figuring out how to listen to their neighbors and yeah,
that's because of ours is yeah, the radio frequencies, right. So but
the thing is is that some of the were so similar that if you had
a you know, a cheap ass crystal, it might have been picking up
frequencies it wasn't supposed to. And that was the other fun thing is you'd
go to radio shack and build you know, a radio with a crystal and
everything, and if you tweaked it a little bit, you could pick up
all kinds of signals that they told you you weren't supposed to be able to
pick up, you know, like I accidentally the crypto. Yeah, we
could pick up like the nine one one calls some crap. Well, you
could pick up all kinds of things. At one point, I had a
radio that was just a regular AMFM radio, but because I literally replaced it
with one of those radio shack crystals, I put that thing in there with
one of those you know, build your own radio kits. I put that
into the radio and rewired the speakers, and the next thing I knew is
I could listen to TV broadcasts on my radio. And it was totally accidental.
I have no idea why it worked. And I was getting better reception
on my radio for the news and stuff at night or whatever. Then I
was on my regular TV and uh yeah, really good. And some cable
broadcast, like some things that people thought were only available on cable actually were
open air broadcasts as well, like Nickelodeon and USA Network, which is where
I first saw the kung Fu movies. All day Sunday was, you know,
it would be like for five six hours they'd have, you know,
the badly dubbed kung Fu movies that would happen on USA Network. Yeah,
and every one of them would be named Bruce Leeve, but not a single
one of them was the real Bruce Sleeve. It would always make me mad.
I'd always go, you damn liars. Oh, that drove me crazy
because it would be in this like weird perspective that was distorted, and like
you know, they would either be really tall and skinny or short and fat
one way or the other because nobody could figure out how to fix the pal
to uh, you know whatever are our thing? Uh? And it was
funny because I had a kid one time trying to explain to me, no,
that's Bruce Lae. See there's Bruce Lae and there's Bruce Lee. And
I'm like dumbass when they say, oh, I, that's a way to
spell Bruce Lee. They're trying to tell you it's Bruce Lee. And look
at the guy that ain't Bruce Lee. What's that question? I'm not kind
of somewhat on topic, did either of you? Am I the only one
that grew up with a scrambled spice channel? Uh? Well, I didn't
have spice. Spice came in later, but I remember scrambled channel. Well
do you remember when those scrambled channels? Yes, I remember the scrambled channels,
and I remember if you played with. If you had the old box
with the little switch and the dial, you could play with it, and
you could get it in and black and white. If you just just tweak
it enough, you could watch a lot of those page channels in black and
white if you met with the little tuner you aren't supposed to. Yeah that
too. I mean, I'm thirty seven, so you guys have a few
ears on me. So yeah. Well, well, if you want to
look up something that's really interesting on scramble channels. And one of the most
famous incidents, and one of my favorite incidents in media history, is the
guy who turned around and hijacked the HBO signal for a little while called himself
Captain Midnight. It's hilarious. There's some really good YouTube videos on it.
Maybe I'll find one right before I sign off here, because that reminds me
of the old days of broadcast versus cable. And you know, there was
a time when everything wasn't digital necessarily, although there was lots of satellite signals
roaming around, and if you knew the right equipment to buy and everything,
you didn't have to pay these pirates all this money per month. You know,
you just knew. You just had to know where to point your dish
and the right frequencies for a couple of things, and you could get a
lot of free and infotainment, information and entertainment all you wanted, you know.
Captain Midnight, though, hijacked it and was pissed off that they were
going to charge I think ten bucks HBO a month, But back in the
eighties ten bucks was ten bucks, you know. So I go a little
further back maybe, but the Spice channel I remember was like the softcore porn
channel that came out when I was a little older and had much better ways
to go get porn outside of trying to play with Spice, So but I
do remember it the original porn. Yeah, unless you're lucky enough to find
the magazine land on the side of the road, you know, Nah,
little a little fake ID or a hookup at the local video store, and
I could bring home anything I wanted, you know what I mean, you
know, or the one guy who was from I don't know what country to
this day he was from, and believe me, if you were there,
you couldn't identify it either, But but he was some foreign dude, and
one day I brought him a bottle of vodka, and that got me the
introduction into the secret video closet that he rented to only special customers. Because
I brought him a bottle of vodka. And I'm serious, I have no
idea what country he was from. He had kind of a tan, looked
like a white guy, sounded like an Arab, and I have no clue
where he was from. I think he wasn't supposed to drink that vodka either.
I think if his wife caught him with the vodka, shed get him
in trouble with his I don't know his parents, his religion, something,
But either way, because I brought him a bottle of vodka and I was
like, I don't know, sixteen seventeen, that got me the secret key.
You know, I could go into the special video closet where they kept
the real Porto hidden, you know, in the family video store. So
you know, God bless the days of a Palmer video in the independent video
store. Yeah. I can't believe they're all gone. Yeah, Well,
before Blockbusters seemed like it was going to last forever, didn't it. Jimmy
James, Oh it really did. I mean I remember even the last commercial
they put out with those stupid gerbils some stuff. We're so big and awesome,
and then like a week later they were like, gone, Yeah,
they tried to compete briefly with uh with Netflix, right, and even we're
trying to do the whole you know. That's back when Netflix would mail you
a DVD, no kidding. I don't know if people remember that, but
that was a day. What's that? I said? That was a That
was the time parod of which I dropped cable right because one of the one
of the lgs in the cable cutting there. Yeah, I subscribed to Netflix
back in the yeah, the melon DVD days. Yeah, but I love
Netflix at a certain point because they had like every movie, and then when
they came up with the online streaming, it was all over for these big
giant Blockbuster locations, you know. And Blockbuster tried to be Netflix for a
minute, and yet now they're all gone. I'm gonna drop a link to
the Captain Midnight incident in the chatroom at ochelli dot com. But he literally
hijacked the HBO signal during some bad movie one night, late night on the
East Coast and put up this test pattern that what does it actually read.
Let me say, actually, an image pops up in the thumbnail, so
let me see what it says when it pops up. It says good evening
HBO from Captain Midnight twelve ninety five a month, no Way Showtime Movie Channel,
Beware. And it's one of those big, old, colorful what they
used to call test patterns that they would run in the middle of the night
when TV went off the air, you know, at a certain time.
Anyway, with all that being said, here's what I'm gonna say, drop
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my well being. In fact, I've got like two cigarettes left. So
if you drop some men tonight, you can help me tonight and keep this
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to you, but not to me anyway. With all that having been said,
I'll leave you with my usual final thought, which is I am merely
o'ceelly. All of you are indeed the effect. Thanks Jimmy James, Thanks
Chris, Thanks Danny, Thanks b Pete Captain. Goodbye,