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Welcome to the UFO Think Tank Craigier
with your host Alejandro Rohan. Oh UFO

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fans, It's Alejandro Rojas, and
I am so happy to be talking to

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you again. I get very giddy
to be speaking to the thousands, tens

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of thousands of wonderful fans of UFO
Think Tank out there, and I must

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say I am very happy and humbled
by your continued attention to the show.

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I do work hard as you I'm
sure can imagine, on putting the show

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together and doing this for you on
a weekly basis, and I'm so happy

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that many of you appreciate it and
continue to come and join us every week

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with the wonderful guests. Speaking of
wonderful guests, there is a wonderful guest

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that I have this evening, and
it's fact that it's someone I should have

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on a regular basis. I kind
of have actually since we've become a good

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buddies. And that is the writer
for the Huffington Post, Lee Spiegel.

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He of course is writing stories all
the time, and I'm talking about those

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stories every week. He's pretty much
the most prolific and he's really the only

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mainstream, mainstream writer for a paper
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Post, which when what the Politzer
recently, or at least one of their

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writers did. So it's very exciting
to be part of that team and net

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debut buddies with Lee and I can't
remember the number. Maybe we'll ask him

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about it, something like that a
billion hit or some crazy huge number of

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hits that weird News has gotten,
which is what he writes for. Yeah,

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unfortunate they use the term weird news
to put UFOs in because they're not

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that weird. And in fact,
the story I wrote isn't that weird.

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Just posted today. So at least
Biegel is going to be on the show.

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We're going to talk about a lot
of the news going on, so

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I'll cover a little bit of news, but we talked for quite some time

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in this interview, and so we'll
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of the news that I don't get
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during our UFO news section, you
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ago that I had a Huffington Post
put up today. Yes, and it's

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about science, UFOs and the search
for extraterrestrial intelligence. This title may seem

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familiar to you, because that is
also the subtitle to my conference, the

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Cosmic Exploration Conference. So that's mostly
what this is about. That you know,

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hey, SET, he's out there. There's some cool dudes and they

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used to be seeing this fringe before
they really got out there and you know,

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rolled up their shirt sleeves, started
talking to scientists and got their program

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rolling so people would take the science
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life serious. So what I'm saying
is we need this same sort of effort

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for UFOs and that there are scientists
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And I can prove it because I
am gathering a bunch of great scientists

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together for the Cosmic Exploration Conference.
We've got a ton of PhDs. I

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mean, we have a professor of
psychology, Albert Harrison, and this is

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at UC Davis. He was also
a member of SETI I think I mentioned

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him last week. He's one of
our latest speakers and so really excited about

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that. I just finalized in the
last speaker, which is John Peterson.

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And this is really exciting because he
is actually the head and the founder of

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the Arlington Institute, which is a
think tank that works with the military.

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He's a futurist and he will tell
us about the future of mankind and some

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of these it is he works on
what he calls high impact surprises or wild

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cards. These are things that happened
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happened. And even though we're already
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discovery of extraterrestrial life, what would
that mean? What would that mean if

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an extraterrestrial civilization contacted us in an
open manner, you know? And he

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thinks about this kind of stuff and
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He worked for the National War College, with the Navy, with he worked

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in the Office of the Secretary of
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the White House. So this is
a very impressive individual and we are very

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lucky to have him coming to the
conference. And so we have some incredible,

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credible people at this conference. And
I'm really excited about it. I

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told you last week how he was
going to start a Kickstarter for it,

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and I have done that. The
kickstarter is for the video portion. So

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in other words, the conference is
happening. It is rolling. The conferences

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I've got all of these incredible speakers
confirmed. Hopefully you can make it to

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join us, because this is going
to be, I think, really special.

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I mean, it's a SETI like
conference, but it's about space mysteries,

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SETI and all of these other you
know, the discovery of extraterrestrial life

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with UFOs in the mix, in
a credible and serious scientific manner. So

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this kickstarter, however, is to
do videos because I want to videotape these

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lectures and I want to put them
on YouTube. I want to sell DVDs.

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I want to share these these incredible
lectures in this event with everyone from

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here to eternity. However, I
don't have all the video equipment. Of

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course, as you know, I've
put on a lot of conferences and that

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I have used to other people's equipment, and I have a little bit,

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but I need some more. So
that's what the kickstarter is. People can

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pre order some DVDs set to DVDs
of the conference, and if I get

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enough people on this kickstarter and we
cover the project goals, then I'll definitely

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be able to make the videos and
everything will be wonderful. So I want

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to, you know, thank the
first back or I've gotten Paul and in

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fact, you know, he had
a good point, or Pete, I'm

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sorry, and Pete had a good
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I'm not going to be able to
make a conference because I live abroad,

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and so that's why i'd love to
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you don't meet your goal? And
the answer is in I can't say for

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sure, but most likely I won't
be able to make the DVD send because

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I won't have the equipment. Now, if I have a huge searge in

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attendance, I could do that,
but I'm not sure. So really,

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the Kickstarter guarantees that I can do
the videos. If I can't, if

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I don't get the funding through Kickstarter, then most likely I won't be able

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to. But who knows. If
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and maybe I'll be able to do
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funded. But how cool is that? Kickstarter is cool? You know this

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crowdsourcing. You go there and they
help you get funding or help you get

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the word out for funding. So
Kickstarter is a really cool thing, and

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you know, I figured, hey, it would be kind of fun something

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different a UFO, a cosmic kickstarter
who's had done that before. Nobody,

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I don't think, so decided to
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on the conference. I really hope
you can make it. Ben McGee who

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is in this new Chasing UFOs television
show, he's a skeptic and the scientist

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will be speaking. He's a geoscientist
and aerospace consultant and his company Astro Rights

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Spaceflight Consulting is actually a sponsor for
the conference. So how exciting is that?

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Super cool? If you ask me
so, you can go to a

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cosmic exploration conference website cosmicex dot com. You can go to my Facebook,

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YUFU think Tank, you could go
to ufodailynews dot com. Any of these

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sites are going to get you all
of this information. They're going to get

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you to get the kickstarter to the
conference or wherever you want to go.

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So I come visit me online and
thank you for all of those who do

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already. It's great. It's fun
to be part of this virtual community with

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wonderful people such as you. Now
getting into the news because we got a

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long talk here with Lee. So
I don't have a lot of time,

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but I just want to cover some
of the big couple of the big stories

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out there. First of all,
I first came across this from Robbie Graham's

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site, Silver Screen Saucers. It's
a great side. I love it.

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In fact, I've reposted some of
his stories and maybe I'll repost this one.

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By permission. Robbie's like, hey, you know, we're buddies.

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He's a cool guy. Anyway,
a few other people might have heard this

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show. On Coast to Coast Whears. There's this guy who was part of

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the CIA. He's a thirty five
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a book on Roswell and according to
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from beyond this World that crashed at
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not just the wreckage, but cadavers. Roswell happened end quote. That's what

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this guy is saying. So I've
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worked with Bill Clinton. He was
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so pretty interesting. Of course,
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writes a fiction book on Roswell and
then comes out and say it says this

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is he just trying to sell books. I don't know the cryptos Conundrum is

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the name of the book, but
it sounds pretty interesting and we'll be looking

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further into this. But you can
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news I talk about at ufodailynews dot
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on it, just click on the
UFO news feed on the top and you'll

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see that story in many, many
others. Another story here. We're going

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to talk to Lee a lot about
chasing UFOs and some of what they've been

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up to. But I did want
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did in conjunction with the release of
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people ask him you believe in UFOs. Thirty six percent said yes, which

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is pretty consistent. Thirty to fifty
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typically these surveys that are scientifically done
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fifty percent of the people believe there's
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eighty million Americans according to National Geographic. So some really interesting numbers. And

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what's strange with these numbers. Okay, forty eight said they're not Forty eight

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percent said they're not sure. Only
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it. So the true non believer
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kind of funny. The people who
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are the minority, the vast minority, only seventeen percent. What's weird,

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though, is that seventy nine percent
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UFO secrets, and fifty five percent
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so like these guys in the Men
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Lee wrote a great story on Men
in Black at the Huffington Post because there

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is a history going back on this
phenomenon. So people said how they would

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react if they met an alien to
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aliens. And I think that's really
nice of them, you know, like

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et or who knows they may be
ury and cute like ewoks. Who doesn't

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want an ewok as a buddy?
I would love that personally, even a

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big guy, you know, like
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how fun would that be sit in
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said they would run away scaredy cats. Thirteen percent would lock their doors.

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More scaredy cats, and only two
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So luckily, it's only two percent
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gun and start shooting. You know, that's typically in the best way to

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say hello. And even though I
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say. I mean, if you're
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you're seeing some strange creature out the
door, you know, I might go

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click the lock. I like to
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hey, what's up, Come on
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But I may run away and crawl
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is really brave. She would run
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She's just a little chihuahua, but
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angry aliens did attack the earth,
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Hulk to deal with it. Twelve
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The questions got kind of silly,
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and this is making headlines, sixty
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better suited than Mitt Romney to handle
an alien invasion. And I can only

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guess that that is related to their
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on this planet. You know,
I guess they presume if a president is

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more friendly towards that idea, they
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who, of course would be undocumented
illegal immigrants. But people thought Barack Obama

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might be able to handle that better. Very interesting though, that it's scientifically

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done. I mean, it's great
when this happens because then we can confirm

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what we already know or establish what
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But thirty six percent, I'm telling
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third of the people out there.
One of three people. And I know

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a lot of us get afraid.
We think, oh, people just don't

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believe in this. They think you're
crazy. No, there's a lot of

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people who do believe in this sort
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There's a lot of people out there
that have an interest, even if they

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don't share it. Seattle PI is
a paper in Seattle that's been around for

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a long time, and they talked
about how the UFO friends who has sparked

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here sixty five years ago and what
they're referring to, of course, is

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the famous Arnold sighting back in June
of nineteen forty seven. However, they

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cover some other sightings such as the
Maury Island case where some gentlemen saw allegedly

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saw a UFO which dropped six of
them donate shaped aircraft which supposedly drops a

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molten metal injuring his son and killing
his dog. This has been a controversial

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subject for a while and these An
interesting aspect was that allegedly these pieces of

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metal were put into a B twenty
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guys, and that the plane actually
crashed that during transit. So interesting story

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there. And then another sighting they
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seven, so all in the area, and that this Seattle PI covered way

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back then, so interesting story.
And finally another great story. We've talked

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about this earlier, but NASA,
the Cassini probe has found that there is

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probably a subsurface ocean on one of
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talked about this before, but I
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by they find more and more evidence
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Titan is the name of the moon, so very interesting. Could there be

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an underwater civilization? Who knows?
All interesting questions? Questions we will ask

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the experts at the Cosmic Exploration Conference. But speaking of experts, let's get

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this, gentleman. I like to
call Lee Spiegel on the phone. One

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of my favorite people is on the
phone right now. Hello, mister Lee

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Spiegel. Well, hello to you, one of my favorite people on the

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phone. I almost call to you, doctor Spiegel. And for the listeners,

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we've had this running joke because doctor
Spiegel will be speaking at the Cosmic

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Exploration Conference and most speakers now are
doctors. So I gave you an honorary

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doctorate. Oh well, very nice. Well, and you know, every

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time I hear somebody call me doctor, and it happens occasionally, I always

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think of our mutual friend Stanton.
Oh, yes, okay, because people

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have been mistaking him for a doctor
because he's a scientist. He's a nuclear

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physicist, and he hates it when
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He's always correcting people. Yeah,
well, he's a smart guy. He

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dresses like a doctor. Yeah,
he kind of looks like a medical doctor.

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He should have a jacket on and
you know, he looks like that

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guy who's sticking the tongue to pressor
in your throat, and so I could

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see that he's sticking the tongue depresser
in your throat and he says, now,

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what does that UFO look like?
As you say, ah, yeah,

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the good thing. It's good that
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there are other people and I won't
mention names, because there's one person in

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particular in this field I can think
of who doesn't correct that and is often

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referred to as a doctor and he's
not a doctor, and he won't correct

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it. Yeah, he won't correct
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that that way. So it's good
that you know. Stanton's very careful about

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that. He's definitely a fact man. The truth and the facts are important

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to him. Well, I've always
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that we met for the first interview
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the way back to nineteen seventy five
when I met Stan and I have to

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say he's been so consistent over all
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UFOs. You just have to admire
the guy for being totally consistent with what

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he believes. Yeah, well,
I know you're a fan of his.

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Yeah, so am I. And
you know, it was really neat one

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of I don't know if I even
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me to do PR for them,
So I'm the director of PR for mouff

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On International. Yet again, well, well you're the man for the job

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when I used to do it before. At one of the symposiums, I

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wrote a press release and I got
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was a local CBS affiliate, ith
was ABC, and he's like, can

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I get an interview with Stanton Friedman? And I said sure, you know,

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and Stanton's really good at giving interviews, so he's like, okay,

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you know, I'd like to be
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think you can arrange that? And
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can. He's like, are you
sure? Do you think I'm really going

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to be able to talk to Stanton
Friedman? And I mean this was a

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reporter and he was so excited to
be able to talk to Stanton Friedman and

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we arranged it and he did you
know this was some time ago where you

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know, I think now we get
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wasn't as much then, and this
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In fact, if you go to
the move on YouTube, you can

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still see some of these videos.
He was just so excited and he was

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a great reporter, and he did
a great job with these pieces. But

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that was one of the funniest things
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and it's great to just to be
able to say that about Stanley. I'm

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happy to be calling to call him
a friend, just just because he's been

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doing this for so long, and
you know, I hope he lasts forever,

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all right, So I want to
also get into all of these great

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stories that you're writing on a regular
basis for the Huffington Post. And I

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guess the latest couple of stories in
the last couple of days have been around

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this television show called Chasing UFOs.
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lot of publicity over over the last
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it's totally understandable. I mean,
they National Geographic really wants to to get

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the word out about how they're putting
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that they're going to get involved with
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and I think that that's a good
thing, and I think they missed the

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mark a little bit. It's just
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lot the way the show is created
and produced. It's very much like,

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I think, much like another show
out there called Finding Bigfoot. And it

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turns out that the same production company
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Animal Planet and the Chasing UFOs is
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wish that National Geographic had at least
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there are things about the individual episodes
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come across as completely credible. Again, it's just my opinion. I don't

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think that the investigators have to be
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they're looking at strange lights in the
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whispering finding Bigfoot? Whispers look okay, because if there really is a Bigfoot

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out there in the forest, you
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the Chasing UFOs people afraid of spooking
any nearby aliens? Well? I doubt

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that. Yeah, that is really
funny you say that, because when we

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went skywatching with them, Jason and
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they told us to use our night
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and we kind of looked at each
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left, you know, Jason goes
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want to whisper at night? Are
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UF? And so he was joking
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jokes about it, which is pretty
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kind of wondering about that, and
we actually used our regular voice because you

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know, you know, you know, we're all very used to going out

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on these night skywatches, and that's
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whispering when you're looking for those I
like the three team members, Aaron Ryder,

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James Fox, and Ben McGee.
They're very nice people. They're very

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smart people. But so far from
what I've seen, Ben McGee is a

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scientist. He's a radiation specialist.
He's an archaeologist, he's a geologist.

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He's very well respected. But he
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the kind of scientists who's really serious. He's supposed to be the skeptic of

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the group, but he's coming across
more as an open minded skeptic who thinks

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that skepticism is good as a way
of reaching the public, like a public

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outreach. Well, that's fine too. In other words, he's done a

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de bunker and he's very clear about
that. Yeah, it's funny you say

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that, because when you talk about
finding Bitfoot, they kind of have a

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character that's the same, and it's
kind of like a token skeptic as opposed

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to I think it would be kind
of cool if the skeptic you know was

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in charge. This was the guy
where it's like, you gotta you know,

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he said that the high level of
you know, investigation that we got

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to do. Whereas even being out
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kind of he he had input,
but he wasn't the guy in charge,

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right, and looking at the episodes, I didn't get the impression that he

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was as skeptical as he should have
been. Oh really, Yeah, because

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if this is going to be a
series that ultimately tries to find some piece

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of dramatic evidence, that pretty much
opens up the Pandora's box of UFOs or

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the possibility that Earth is being visited
by someone from somewhere else. Then you

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got to really dig deep and running
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at night with night vision equipment and
metal detectors. I don't think is the

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way to do that by For example, when I was and I don't mind

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talking about this now, when I
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James, and Ben, and I
asked each of them, I said,

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so far the first episodes that you
have filmed, what has been the

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most eye opening experience for you?
And they all agreed individually that something that

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was found out at the debris field
near Roswell, New Mexico, was very

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important and that could point to military
involvement with what supposedly happened at Roswell in

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nineteen forty seven. Something came out
of the sky and crashed, and as

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you know, and as most of
your listeners know, Kalajandro, it still

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debated what it was that fell or
crashed in that field in nineteen forty seven.

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Everything from alien spaceship to weather balloon
to Trojic Mogul, top secret military

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project that was supposedly built to spy
on the Soviet Union. Well, whatever

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it was that fell in that field
not far from the Roswell Air Base.

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As soon as word reached the military
that something came out of the sky,

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well of course they're going to send
people out there, military people to see

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what it is, to pick up
whatever it was, to bring it to

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the airbase to analyze it, because
that's what they do. That's what they

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did. So using metal detectors,
the team, the chasing UFO's teams went

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out there and they found something.
And even on the National Geographic website they

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have a picture of it, so
even National Geographic has not been trying to

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hide what this thing was that they
found out there. And I'll tell you

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what it was. It was a
button, a button off of what appears

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to be a military jacket or lapel
or uniforms, and it could have been

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from nineteen forty seven and small enough, but the metal detectors picked it up

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and there's this button. And everybody
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could prove, that the military was
out there. And my point of view

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was, and I mentioned this in
my story, well no one's ever really

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disputed that the military went out there, right because something came out of the

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sky, right, Okay, but
does it prove that Does the button itself

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prove that a UFO crash landed there? No, Right, Even in all

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of the explanations the Air Force has
given, such as the Mogul balloons or

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the crash chest in all of this, they these were military exercises. They're

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not saying there wasn't a military involvement
with the Roswell crash. That's just what

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that crash. So, yeah,
that has never been in question. Right.

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So if you go out there with
a metal detector and you find a

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button that looks like it came from
a uniform, well, okay, the

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that it doesn't really prove to me
that it came from someone who was at

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Roswell in nineteen forty seven. But
let's say that it was. Let's say

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that this is a button from a
military uniform from that fell off of a

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guy's lapel while he was out there
cleaning up the area of all the mess

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that landed in that debris field.
Fine, but it doesn't prove anything.

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Yeah, you know, and I
don't like getting excited about something that's not

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really worth getting excited about. Yeah, we already know that the military was

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involved. Give us something more.
That's the kind of attitude I have.

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You know, we should all have
this attitude, skeptics, believers, people

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in between skepticism and believability. We
should all demand more. Now, the

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government doesn't seem to be wanting to
give up whatever they may have. Other

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governments don't seem to be either.
So it's like with Karl Sagen was the

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latest atronomer. Carl Segen used to
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Well, you know, I think
he was right. I think that

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there's evidence out there. I don't
know who has it, but I think

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that there's enough evidence where somebody ought
to be giving it out. They should

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be sending pieces of an alien or
a ship, either to you or to

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me, you know, so that
we can break the story. Well,

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and it's you know, it's too
bad they weren't talking more about because I've

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had Frank Well, I broke this
story on Frank Kimbler and the guy who

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found this medal out there, he
works at the New Mexico Military Institute out

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there, and the geologist, and
I know that they talked with Frank Kimbler,

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and I hope that they were supposed
to do another analysis on the metal

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that found, and I know they
have. I know he's on the show

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on that episode. So hopefully that
when I saw the button, I felt

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the exact same way you did.
I didn't feel that was that compelling.

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But of course, typically I know
that they won't put out their most compelling

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piece, you know, you don't
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hopefully there's something there is some more
compelling evidence that they have on the show.

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Well, what was the initial analysis
on Kimber's piece. The initial analysis

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that he got back from a reputable
lab, it was a isotopic ratio study,

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and this study showed that most likely
this material was not fabricated on planet

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Earth, and it's aluminum. It's
something that was fabricated, but at least

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with this study now it was on
the far margin of error that it could

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have been possibly error. But his
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I mean, this lab is reputable
enough where that would be highly unlikely

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that that would be the case.
And his whole point is he needs another

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lab to do another study that what
he's got so far is compelling, but

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he needs more study. And that's
been a difficulty because there's not necessarily a

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whole bunch of labs that can do
this study. This study is as costs

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some money. So I need to
catch up with him because I know that,

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you know, they spoke with him. I talked to Frank prior to

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him, well while he was organizing, you know, the filming with the

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crew, and he said, that's
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would and I could. I'm sure
they would want to hold that information,

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you know, close to the bat. So well, you know, hopeful

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it's go ahead. Oh just that
I'm just hopeful. Well, and I

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am too, And you know,
I keep telling people, I keep trying

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to remind people that there is this
area fifty one exhibit in Las Vegas that

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I went out to a few months
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in a museum that's part of the
Smithsonian Institution. Yeah, and in this

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exhibit, there is a display and
the headline on the display for all to

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see says, authentic alien Artifact.
Well, that's going to make people kind

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of wonder, well, what is
this? What do you mean authentic alien

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artifact? And they're actually showing something
on display there that people claim that is

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00:36:00.039 --> 00:36:02.840
an alien artifact? But now what
does that mean? Why is this on

407
00:36:02.920 --> 00:36:07.960
display international museum? Why aren't people
making more of a big deal about this

408
00:36:08.599 --> 00:36:15.920
considering what the material is. So
I think that's more interesting actually than a

409
00:36:15.960 --> 00:36:22.079
button off of a lapel of a
military uniform in the Roswell debris field.

410
00:36:22.599 --> 00:36:25.320
If somebody's saying to me, we're
going to present an authentic alien artifact,

411
00:36:25.440 --> 00:36:29.679
well, hey, hold the horses, hold the presses. What's this?

412
00:36:30.400 --> 00:36:35.800
You know, show up? What's
this evidence? Why is this an alien

413
00:36:35.920 --> 00:36:42.360
artifact? What are the properties of
it? And they claim that radar can't

414
00:36:42.400 --> 00:36:49.719
be reflected from this material from the
button. No, No, that's funny,

415
00:36:49.880 --> 00:36:53.400
because well then that would be a
button. Now that's some button.

416
00:36:54.920 --> 00:36:59.719
Yeah you're talking, that's right.
It's like it's like it's like a Harry

417
00:36:59.719 --> 00:37:06.079
Potter cloaking device. No, this
is the material that at the museum in

418
00:37:06.159 --> 00:37:13.239
Las Vegas, that was donated to
the museum by newspaper Journal newspaper, the

419
00:37:13.239 --> 00:37:17.840
television newsman George Napp, who's an
amazing reporter. He's the man who pretty

420
00:37:17.880 --> 00:37:22.719
much put the word area fifty one
on the map. Nobody knew about area

421
00:37:22.760 --> 00:37:28.039
fifty one until he did all the
initial reporting of it years ago. George

422
00:37:28.119 --> 00:37:31.159
Nap has won nineteen Emmy Awards for
his reporting on a variety of things in

423
00:37:31.199 --> 00:37:37.000
and around Las Vegas. And he
went to Russia and was given this material

424
00:37:37.480 --> 00:37:42.960
that was the result of what they
call the Russian roswell. A UFO came

425
00:37:43.000 --> 00:37:45.599
out of the sky, it crashed. Scientists went in picked up a lot

426
00:37:45.599 --> 00:37:50.639
of materials, and Napp got onto
it. He went there. He was

427
00:37:50.679 --> 00:37:54.199
the only American journalist allowed to go
there. They gave him the materials.

428
00:37:54.239 --> 00:37:59.440
He brought the stuff back to America
for analysis, and he has donated this

429
00:37:59.559 --> 00:38:05.960
material to the museum. It's the
National Atomic Testing Museum in Las Vegas.

430
00:38:05.400 --> 00:38:13.079
And there are these very tiny,
perfectly spherical beads that are part of the

431
00:38:13.119 --> 00:38:21.880
material. And according to initial analysis
from different institutes, they're saying that in

432
00:38:21.920 --> 00:38:27.559
these beads, the distance between the
atoms of these beads is different from ordinary

433
00:38:27.599 --> 00:38:32.480
iron. Like I said, radar
can't be reflected from the material. Some

434
00:38:32.519 --> 00:38:38.960
of the elements in the material can
disappear and new ones appear after they're heated.

435
00:38:39.599 --> 00:38:47.360
One of the pieces actually disappeared completely
in front of four eyewitnesses. Or

436
00:38:47.400 --> 00:38:52.440
here, well, I'm not sure. I believe this story is from one

437
00:38:52.480 --> 00:38:57.000
of the Russian institutes. And the
part of the description that I like the

438
00:38:57.039 --> 00:39:01.079
most is it says, at the
core of the material is composed of a

439
00:39:01.119 --> 00:39:08.280
substance that has anti gravitational properties.
Hello, no button can claim that.

440
00:39:09.599 --> 00:39:16.400
So all this information is in the
display case with the material at the museum

441
00:39:16.480 --> 00:39:22.079
in Las Vegas for all the sea
Wow. And in fact, when I

442
00:39:22.199 --> 00:39:29.360
was there going through the museum and
I was given a walkthrough by the museum

443
00:39:29.400 --> 00:39:32.559
director, Alan Palmer, and I
asked him if I could take some pictures

444
00:39:34.159 --> 00:39:37.760
while I was there, and he
said yes, and I took pictures of

445
00:39:37.840 --> 00:39:40.880
this material that I was just talking
to you about. I took a picture

446
00:39:42.199 --> 00:39:47.920
of the display sign that actually says
authentic alien artifact. And a few minutes

447
00:39:47.960 --> 00:39:52.880
later his museum curator came rushing up
to me and said, you can't take

448
00:39:52.880 --> 00:39:55.599
any more photographs. You can't take
any pictures here, And I said,

449
00:39:55.599 --> 00:39:59.960
well, why not? She said, because the press is not being allowed

450
00:40:00.400 --> 00:40:07.159
to take any still photos or video
material. And I said, well,

451
00:40:07.199 --> 00:40:09.760
well, how are you going to
get the public interested to come to the

452
00:40:09.800 --> 00:40:15.639
museum unless you at least tease them
with something she said, well, we

453
00:40:15.679 --> 00:40:19.360
think that the mystique of the material
itself, if people like you write about

454
00:40:19.400 --> 00:40:22.639
it, should be enough. Well, and then she walked away, and

455
00:40:22.679 --> 00:40:25.920
I asked the museum director. I
said, I don't want to get anybody

456
00:40:25.960 --> 00:40:30.760
into any trouble, but you know, I think people should be able to

457
00:40:30.800 --> 00:40:35.599
see this before they come in and
spend money and see this stuff. And

458
00:40:35.639 --> 00:40:38.800
he told me to use the pictures. And so my picture that I used

459
00:40:39.039 --> 00:40:45.239
at the top of one of my
stories for Huffington Post about this display,

460
00:40:45.840 --> 00:40:51.480
mine is the only picture that was
ever taken and shown publicly. And I'm

461
00:40:51.519 --> 00:40:54.159
not saying that just to pat myself
on the back. I'm just saying I

462
00:40:54.199 --> 00:41:00.599
think the stuff, whatever it is, should be shown. Right. Why

463
00:41:00.639 --> 00:41:06.199
are we keeping stuff secret? If
you've got something that's interesting, let's see

464
00:41:06.239 --> 00:41:12.119
it. Yeah. That was always
my gripe about all these UFO groups growing

465
00:41:12.199 --> 00:41:15.880
up when I was a kid and
everybody was fighting against each other. Oh,

466
00:41:15.199 --> 00:41:19.760
we're not going to share our information
with you because we've got better stuff

467
00:41:19.800 --> 00:41:23.039
than you, and we've got better
materials and better pictures. Well no,

468
00:41:23.599 --> 00:41:28.679
that's not the way it ought to
be. This is something that affects the

469
00:41:28.880 --> 00:41:34.639
entire planet and everybody on it,
so let's kind of let's be like a

470
00:41:34.679 --> 00:41:37.280
big family and share the stuff.
That's just my opinion. No, I

471
00:41:37.320 --> 00:41:40.039
agree with you. That's one of
the things where I've always liked about move

472
00:41:40.159 --> 00:41:44.639
On. Move On's very open that
way. People use them as being otherwise,

473
00:41:45.119 --> 00:41:49.159
but in my experience that's just not
true. Whatever you want access to,

474
00:41:49.320 --> 00:41:53.079
even if it it might not be
on the Internet yet, but most

475
00:41:53.119 --> 00:41:55.639
of it is it, they'll help
you get access to it. So,

476
00:41:55.719 --> 00:41:59.840
I mean, I agree with that
one hundred percent, because there are still

477
00:42:00.039 --> 00:42:05.559
organizations out there who aren't sharing everything. Although I will say this about Moufon,

478
00:42:06.199 --> 00:42:08.199
and I've discovered this and maybe this
is a good thing, I'm not

479
00:42:08.239 --> 00:42:14.800
sure, but certain stories that I've
wanted to follow up on and write about

480
00:42:14.840 --> 00:42:19.440
for Huffington Post, which stories which
were kind of in the hands of Mouffon

481
00:42:19.599 --> 00:42:22.400
investigators, I found that by and
large, I guess there must be some

482
00:42:23.119 --> 00:42:29.679
overall policy that Moufon has with all
of its investigators and field researchers is that

483
00:42:30.320 --> 00:42:35.880
while they're in the middle of an
investigation or unless it's been closed, they

484
00:42:35.960 --> 00:42:39.440
won't give out much information about it. They're very close. Yeah, they're

485
00:42:39.480 --> 00:42:44.079
very close lipped about a lot of
their stuff, and that could be frustrating.

486
00:42:45.239 --> 00:42:49.000
I mean, even if I'm not
asking for the names of people who

487
00:42:49.039 --> 00:42:53.920
are eyewitnesses, I just want information
about the overall case because I think it's

488
00:42:53.960 --> 00:42:59.880
important enough to share. Even if
you're in the middle of an investigation and

489
00:43:00.119 --> 00:43:02.360
you say, whoa, we can't
release the information, well why not?

490
00:43:04.119 --> 00:43:08.519
Why not release information to let the
public know that you're working on something that's

491
00:43:08.559 --> 00:43:14.960
potentially really interesting. It may turn
out to be nothing, but don't give

492
00:43:15.039 --> 00:43:19.519
us the impression that you're you're holding
back and this is all yours, because

493
00:43:19.559 --> 00:43:24.360
that always been my complaint about most
UFO groups. Yeah, the issue is

494
00:43:24.400 --> 00:43:28.000
that they don't know though, they
don't know if it's something big, and

495
00:43:28.039 --> 00:43:30.639
most likely they're not. And so
you know, on the flip side,

496
00:43:30.679 --> 00:43:34.880
it's like, well, I could
give you something and then it turns out

497
00:43:34.880 --> 00:43:37.599
to be nothing, and then we
both kind of look silly. But hey,

498
00:43:38.760 --> 00:43:42.159
I know that can be the issue. But now you've got a connection

499
00:43:42.199 --> 00:43:45.800
with a guy on the inside,
so well, I hope so, because

500
00:43:45.840 --> 00:43:52.440
I want to keep you as a
friend. Ha ha. So in relation

501
00:43:52.599 --> 00:43:58.760
to the show, getting back to
to the chasing UFOs. Yeah, you

502
00:43:58.880 --> 00:44:06.800
also wrote about their effort to send
a response to the WOW signal. Yeah,

503
00:44:07.159 --> 00:44:12.320
so when is a WOW signal and
how are they responding? Well,

504
00:44:13.079 --> 00:44:16.119
the WOW signal. It's very interesting
because I actually remember when this happened.

505
00:44:17.159 --> 00:44:19.920
Well, this is going to date
me. This is the how old I

506
00:44:19.960 --> 00:44:27.840
am? In nineteen seventy seven,
as part of the overall search for extraterrestrial

507
00:44:27.840 --> 00:44:34.199
intelligence or people know it as SETI
at Ohio State University, they were using

508
00:44:34.280 --> 00:44:40.440
what's called the Big Ear Radio Observatory, and this observatory was just kind of

509
00:44:40.559 --> 00:44:50.360
monitoring signals that as the Earth was
rotating in its orbit, the observatory was

510
00:44:50.480 --> 00:44:55.239
just listening for signals from wherever the
Earth was facing at that point. And

511
00:44:55.280 --> 00:45:00.400
at one point, while Earth was
kind of looking in direction of the constellation

512
00:45:00.960 --> 00:45:10.760
Sagittarius, a very strong seventy two
second radio signal or a spike came from

513
00:45:10.840 --> 00:45:16.360
that direction and one of the astronomers
who was on duty at the time,

514
00:45:16.440 --> 00:45:20.400
a Jerry Emon I believe his name
is or M. E. H.

515
00:45:21.000 --> 00:45:25.039
M An, He was the first
person to notice this unusual spike. And

516
00:45:25.039 --> 00:45:30.440
when I say a spike on the
computer print out, it was basically it

517
00:45:30.480 --> 00:45:34.920
was six letters and numbers that appeared
on the computer print out, and he

518
00:45:34.960 --> 00:45:37.920
looked at this, and he pulled
the sheet out of the computer and it

519
00:45:37.960 --> 00:45:42.480
was so completely different from anything else
that was coming in from out of space

520
00:45:42.800 --> 00:45:45.840
that he took a red pen and
in the margin of the computer print out

521
00:45:45.960 --> 00:45:52.280
he wrote the word WOW with an
exclamation point, so that he would know

522
00:45:52.280 --> 00:45:57.800
where this came from. And it's
been debated ever since, coming up on

523
00:45:57.840 --> 00:46:05.239
the thirty fifth anniversary of WOW signal, and scientists have been debating whether or

524
00:46:05.280 --> 00:46:10.920
not this was in fact the first
extraterrestrial signal to reach planet Earth. But

525
00:46:12.079 --> 00:46:15.719
part of the problem with that is, and this is what science will tell

526
00:46:15.760 --> 00:46:21.039
you is when you're trying to look
at something and study something scientifically, you

527
00:46:21.119 --> 00:46:24.519
really want something to repeat so that
you can really study it. This never

528
00:46:24.559 --> 00:46:31.400
repeated, it was never heard from
again, it's never reappeared, so but

529
00:46:31.480 --> 00:46:37.440
the debate has always continued about that. So National Geographic was putting together the

530
00:46:37.519 --> 00:46:44.760
Chasing UFO series, they came up
with the idea of let's send a reply

531
00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:49.719
back to the Sagittarius constellation, because
if study wasn't going to send a reply,

532
00:46:50.119 --> 00:46:52.679
if they didn't think that it was
important enough because they couldn't repeat the

533
00:46:52.719 --> 00:46:55.840
original signal and they were just going
to let the signal just kind of hang

534
00:46:55.920 --> 00:47:00.920
there. Then let's do it,
and let's use they say, let's use

535
00:47:00.960 --> 00:47:07.280
modern technology. Let's do it as
a giant global social experiment using Twitter.

536
00:47:07.119 --> 00:47:15.760
So National Geographic decided that in combination
with the premiere of their show Chasing UFOs,

537
00:47:16.360 --> 00:47:22.039
they solicited basically people all around the
world to send tweets. So they

538
00:47:22.320 --> 00:47:27.440
are putting all these tweets together,
and on August fifteenth, which is the

539
00:47:27.480 --> 00:47:35.440
actual thirty fifth anniversary of the original
Wow signal arriving on Earth, the Aricibo

540
00:47:35.800 --> 00:47:43.440
Observatory Radio Telescope radio observational telescope in
Puerto Rico is going to be used to

541
00:47:43.599 --> 00:47:47.079
transmit all of the tweets that have
been gathered by people on Earth, and

542
00:47:47.119 --> 00:47:53.760
they're going to just send the signal
back to the Fagetarias. And they've been

543
00:47:53.760 --> 00:47:58.519
getting a lot of different tweets from
a lot of people. I would say

544
00:47:59.159 --> 00:48:04.960
more than fifty send of the tweets
are just people just joking around. A

545
00:48:05.039 --> 00:48:08.239
lot of people aren't taking it seriously, but they like the idea that their

546
00:48:08.280 --> 00:48:13.039
message can be beamed into space.
And again, what a lot of people

547
00:48:13.079 --> 00:48:15.199
don't realize is and I'm not sure
the exact numbers of this, but I

548
00:48:15.199 --> 00:48:21.119
believe it's something like in order to
get the signal from here to that area

549
00:48:21.199 --> 00:48:25.800
of space may take something in the
range of two hundred years wow to get

550
00:48:25.840 --> 00:48:30.760
there. And then if the aliens
are still there, if they were aliens,

551
00:48:30.800 --> 00:48:34.199
and if they haven't destroyed themselves,
and if they want to reply back

552
00:48:34.239 --> 00:48:37.320
to us, that could take another
two hundred years. So everybody who's been

553
00:48:37.360 --> 00:48:40.639
tweeting to get a message into space, they're all going to be dead and

554
00:48:40.679 --> 00:48:45.559
gone by the time the signal even
gets there. I mean, that's part

555
00:48:45.599 --> 00:48:51.480
of the reality of this. So
I like to say to people, well,

556
00:48:51.559 --> 00:48:54.480
wouldn't it be nice if we send
a signal and somebody intercepts it and

557
00:48:54.519 --> 00:48:59.480
maybe they're like on Mars and Jupiter, they're not that part way. Maybe

558
00:48:59.480 --> 00:49:04.199
they weren't first place, right,
that's right, So it could have been

559
00:49:04.199 --> 00:49:08.519
an S O S right before some
spaceship was plowing into an asteroid or something.

560
00:49:09.079 --> 00:49:15.199
Yeah, And the people that National
Geographic told me that the whole idea

561
00:49:15.400 --> 00:49:22.760
of putting this transmission together to reply
to the possible alien signals. They basically

562
00:49:22.800 --> 00:49:29.280
said that it was to help spark
participation and for viewership in their new show,

563
00:49:29.440 --> 00:49:35.000
Chasing UFOs. They basically said that
at the heart of the show,

564
00:49:35.719 --> 00:49:43.320
it tries to embrace the curiosity that
there might be life and intelligence elsewhere,

565
00:49:43.440 --> 00:49:46.039
because certainly a lot of people don't
think that there's any intelligence here on Earth,

566
00:49:47.239 --> 00:49:51.519
you know, right. In fact, a lot of the tweets that

567
00:49:51.760 --> 00:49:55.920
were gathered for the transmission basically was
saying like, hey, alien creatures,

568
00:49:57.079 --> 00:50:00.079
don't bother coming here. We're not
a friendly group of people. Well,

569
00:50:00.199 --> 00:50:04.519
you don't want to deal with us
at all? So did you send a

570
00:50:04.559 --> 00:50:12.679
message? I did, Actually I
did, and I basically what I basically

571
00:50:12.719 --> 00:50:17.960
said to our friends from out of
space was I said, look here I

572
00:50:19.000 --> 00:50:24.280
am I'm Lespiegel. I've been one
of your biggest PR representatives on this planet

573
00:50:24.679 --> 00:50:29.960
for the past thirty years or so. I believe you owe it to me

574
00:50:30.559 --> 00:50:36.000
to give me the first exclusive interview
with you. That was basically my message,

575
00:50:36.719 --> 00:50:42.000
yeah, I sent when I invited
them to the conference, and it

576
00:50:42.079 --> 00:50:45.800
wasn't just a marketing thing. It
was I would really like them to come.

577
00:50:45.280 --> 00:50:47.840
Well well yeah, but now will
they have to pay their own way.

578
00:50:50.519 --> 00:50:53.639
Yeah, I mean, nobody gets
in free. It's Vegas, so

579
00:50:53.639 --> 00:50:57.920
so we can't. Can you arrange
them to have a suite? Yeah?

580
00:50:57.960 --> 00:51:02.679
I could do that, Okay.
I mean I'm sure a lot of those

581
00:51:05.119 --> 00:51:07.840
promoters out there will want them to
do a show. Well. Yeah,

582
00:51:08.079 --> 00:51:14.599
it's it's like, we do we
really need like an alien circ de sole

583
00:51:14.800 --> 00:51:20.519
show now in Vegas. Of course, this makes me think of Mars Attacks.

584
00:51:20.159 --> 00:51:22.840
Oh oh, yes, which took
place in Vegas. Right. Oh,

585
00:51:22.920 --> 00:51:27.840
I know, I know I loved
that movie because I'm one of the

586
00:51:27.880 --> 00:51:30.760
few people who actually really liked that
movie you. Oh did you? Oh

587
00:51:30.760 --> 00:51:35.480
I'm so glad to hear. I'm
a Tim Burton fan. Uh mostly.

588
00:51:35.599 --> 00:51:37.960
And then and on top of it, with all those great actors, yeah,

589
00:51:38.000 --> 00:51:43.920
I liked it. Oh and watching
the Aliens coming in and destroying Las

590
00:51:44.039 --> 00:51:47.760
Vegas. Oh my god, that's
wus so. Uh. I know you

591
00:51:47.960 --> 00:51:53.760
also then reviewed some of those messages. Did you have some favorites? I

592
00:51:53.800 --> 00:51:59.039
did? We? Uh, some
of the ones. Let's see one one

593
00:51:59.079 --> 00:52:00.880
person. I mean, I've got
a couple of them written here. I

594
00:52:01.000 --> 00:52:04.559
just I'll just read you what a
couple of the interesting ones were. One

595
00:52:04.639 --> 00:52:13.840
one said you have mastered inter galactic
travel and communications. We created snooky and

596
00:52:14.000 --> 00:52:21.480
we fight over liquefied dinosaur remains.
You win. Another one, you'd have

597
00:52:21.519 --> 00:52:24.360
to expect. This one just basically
says beat me up Scotty. Well,

598
00:52:24.400 --> 00:52:30.320
okay, yeah, there's probably a
ton of those. Yeah, there's another

599
00:52:30.360 --> 00:52:35.519
one, and that was like an
actor or something. Uh well, that's

600
00:52:35.599 --> 00:52:38.639
right, well you know Scotty Well. And it's funny because I think part

601
00:52:38.639 --> 00:52:43.159
of the legend of that phrase was
that Captain James T. Kirk of Star

602
00:52:43.239 --> 00:52:47.960
Trek never actually said the phrase beat
me up Scotty. Yeah, that's hilarious.

603
00:52:49.239 --> 00:52:52.440
Yep, it was. It was
always beat me up or I'm ready

604
00:52:52.440 --> 00:52:59.000
to be or energize or mister Scott, you know, beat me but but

605
00:52:59.079 --> 00:53:02.880
he never actually beat me up Scott. That's hilarious. So here's another one

606
00:53:02.880 --> 00:53:07.960
of the tweets that will be going
out into space says, last time you

607
00:53:07.000 --> 00:53:13.800
were here, you forgot Nicki Minaj
and Lady Gaga behind They're ready for pickup.

608
00:53:14.239 --> 00:53:20.000
That's funny, and I like this
one. Here's one that says hello

609
00:53:20.119 --> 00:53:27.679
to the universe. We have cats, cheeseburgers, and much pie jeez and

610
00:53:28.280 --> 00:53:31.000
here's one more. We want to
meet you. Shall we have a beer?

611
00:53:31.960 --> 00:53:37.360
Yeah, We've got good beer on
this planet. Yeah. I just

612
00:53:37.400 --> 00:53:39.360
looked at some of the latest There's
a guy named Ben. His thing is

613
00:53:39.360 --> 00:53:45.960
Ben is so cool. He wrote
the Chasing UFO's team team are a bunch

614
00:53:45.000 --> 00:53:50.119
of potty mouths not finding anything.
But as long as Aaron Ryder keeps wearing

615
00:53:50.119 --> 00:53:55.920
skinny jeans, I'm in that's great. That one isn't oriented towards the eties,

616
00:53:57.000 --> 00:54:00.320
but it's going to space. I
think he made the deadline. Yeah.

617
00:54:00.960 --> 00:54:06.800
Yeah, And you know, other
people put little videos to go along

618
00:54:06.840 --> 00:54:10.039
with their tweets, so I know
that Stephen Colbert of The Colbert Report put

619
00:54:10.039 --> 00:54:15.159
his own video together, as did
Joe Buck and Tim McCarver, the Fox

620
00:54:15.239 --> 00:54:22.440
News sportscasters put a little videos.
And of course my favorite is the reigning

621
00:54:22.800 --> 00:54:31.239
Miss Universe. You know, words
cannot possibly describe her video where she says

622
00:54:31.239 --> 00:54:37.719
hello to the space creatures and introduces
herself as the current Miss Universe, in

623
00:54:37.760 --> 00:54:42.840
which she had to beat out so
many other contestants and it was seen by

624
00:54:43.000 --> 00:54:47.199
over a billion people on planet Earth, which proves that she is the most

625
00:54:47.199 --> 00:54:52.400
beautiful woman in the universe, and
she asks the alien creatures if they have

626
00:54:52.679 --> 00:54:59.280
somebody that they would like to compete
against her, and she ends her video

627
00:54:59.360 --> 00:55:05.199
by saying, if you're here to
attack us, please don't hurt my face.

628
00:55:06.039 --> 00:55:09.360
Yeah. Awkward moment, that's for
sure. You know, it's a

629
00:55:09.480 --> 00:55:13.760
great idea if you're going to have, if you're going to send a video

630
00:55:13.880 --> 00:55:19.000
to space, why not send you
know, arguably she's got the title that

631
00:55:19.119 --> 00:55:22.239
the most beautiful woman on the planet. But you don't have to have her

632
00:55:22.280 --> 00:55:25.639
talk. You could just have her
walk around in her beginning or something.

633
00:55:28.239 --> 00:55:31.760
And I think maybe next time that
they'll reconsider because that was a little awkward.

634
00:55:32.719 --> 00:55:37.280
Don't hurt my face, I know, but you got to love it

635
00:55:37.360 --> 00:55:43.559
because she actually I think she did
it not knowing how silly it was.

636
00:55:44.039 --> 00:55:45.960
Yeah, I think she was just
trying to make a joke. But it's

637
00:55:46.000 --> 00:55:52.360
just something lost in translation there.
It's what I'm counting it up to.

638
00:55:53.360 --> 00:55:57.360
So we'll see what happens. You
know, this signal will go out in

639
00:55:57.400 --> 00:56:00.239
August. Then of course we won't
hear anything more about it, because well

640
00:56:00.239 --> 00:56:04.360
why would we if it's going to
take a couple of hundred years to get

641
00:56:04.360 --> 00:56:07.239
to where it's going. Yeah,
you know, you and I in two

642
00:56:07.320 --> 00:56:12.920
hundred years from now will be we'll
be doing our radio shows from another time

643
00:56:12.960 --> 00:56:16.480
in space. Well, and that's
what I know. Some of the big

644
00:56:16.599 --> 00:56:22.679
arguments are is that, you know, why listening to radio signals, like

645
00:56:22.679 --> 00:56:29.719
like said he does, might not
why it's arguably whether that arguable whether that's

646
00:56:29.760 --> 00:56:34.159
the best route. And I remember
even reading some of the CIA documents from

647
00:56:34.519 --> 00:56:40.119
the sixties when they were discussing this
sort of thing the best way to do

648
00:56:40.199 --> 00:56:44.760
it, and they were talking about
how some of the more advanced technologies that

649
00:56:44.800 --> 00:56:52.880
were just theoretically discussing are probably better
ways of communication. And but the radio

650
00:56:52.960 --> 00:56:58.440
signals, you know, it takes
so long that that's probably not a way

651
00:56:58.480 --> 00:57:02.880
that they'd be communicating. Uh.
But and the degradation and the signal and

652
00:57:02.960 --> 00:57:10.440
all of these issues in that it's
possibly not the best technology to be listening

653
00:57:10.519 --> 00:57:15.599
to. Well, right, and
and and again, the other part of

654
00:57:15.639 --> 00:57:19.119
the of the equation here is so
many people have been saying that ever since

655
00:57:19.679 --> 00:57:25.400
we started projecting radio waves off of
planet Earth, those waves have been traveling

656
00:57:25.800 --> 00:57:31.280
into deep space, and it's possible
that another technology may have intercepted some of

657
00:57:31.320 --> 00:57:36.599
these things. But but again that
would that would suppose that they would be

658
00:57:36.679 --> 00:57:42.079
using the same kind of equipment that
that we use. I always have a

659
00:57:42.119 --> 00:57:46.519
problem with things like that. It's
it's like we we we tend to think

660
00:57:47.400 --> 00:57:53.239
that because we do something or we
use certain kinds of technology, that everybody

661
00:57:53.239 --> 00:57:59.000
else in the universe must be using
the same technology as we are. This

662
00:57:59.000 --> 00:58:02.760
this whole thing with all these videos
that have been appearing lately on the Internet,

663
00:58:04.440 --> 00:58:09.920
and not only that, for as
long as people have been taking videos

664
00:58:10.719 --> 00:58:16.599
and regular still pictures of strange things
in the sky, especially at night.

665
00:58:17.960 --> 00:58:22.440
The question that I have had now
for a long time is we see all

666
00:58:22.480 --> 00:58:29.719
these videos, all these photographs of
these things that are brightly lit, they

667
00:58:29.760 --> 00:58:32.960
have lights all around the perimeter,
they have different kinds of flashing lights,

668
00:58:34.000 --> 00:58:40.360
etc. And the question is,
why would UFOs. If UFOs are somebody

669
00:58:40.360 --> 00:58:47.800
else's spacecraft that has a technology that
has to be far superior to anything we

670
00:58:47.920 --> 00:58:54.079
have. Because of the characteristics of
what people have reported about UFOs, why

671
00:58:54.360 --> 00:59:00.719
do they need navigational lights? What
is with that? And you know,

672
00:59:01.519 --> 00:59:07.800
one of the reasons might be that
they're doing it for our benefit. If

673
00:59:07.800 --> 00:59:13.480
those are navigational lights, at all. They could be just an effect of

674
00:59:13.559 --> 00:59:17.760
the technology. I mean, it
could be other things as well. I

675
00:59:17.760 --> 00:59:22.000
would think it could be that they
don't even see light the same way we

676
00:59:22.039 --> 00:59:30.639
do, and they don't see that
light as light right exactly. But why

677
00:59:30.719 --> 00:59:37.719
do they even need anything that has
illumination property? I mean, we put

678
00:59:37.800 --> 00:59:44.199
lights onto our cars, our planes
and trains and bicycles and you know,

679
00:59:44.239 --> 00:59:49.320
on helmets so that people can see
us coming and so that we don't bump

680
00:59:49.360 --> 00:59:54.480
into each other. Fine, that
works for us, but do UFOs do

681
00:59:54.960 --> 01:00:00.400
people maybe from another planet or other
planets, do they need we need the

682
01:00:00.440 --> 01:00:04.960
same kind of system so that they
can avoid bumping into each other. God,

683
01:00:05.079 --> 01:00:07.400
I wouldn't think so, Alejandro.
Yeah, but we don't know that

684
01:00:07.400 --> 01:00:12.280
that is what that light is for. It could be a byproduct of something

685
01:00:12.320 --> 01:00:16.280
else. Look at our examples we
use, like let's say, a fire

686
01:00:16.400 --> 01:00:21.719
to warm you don't always the light
isn't necessarily what you need. It's a

687
01:00:21.840 --> 01:00:24.239
warmth, but a light is a
byproduct of that. I mean it could

688
01:00:24.360 --> 01:00:31.679
It doesn't necessarily mean that the lights
are something they're attempting to emit. And

689
01:00:31.800 --> 01:00:36.000
like you said, it's also if
they are lighting up it could be for

690
01:00:36.039 --> 01:00:39.639
our benefit. Yeah, you know, which look at me, look at

691
01:00:39.639 --> 01:00:44.360
me. I know. It's like
it raises another question. A lot of

692
01:00:44.360 --> 01:00:50.239
these objects seem they seem to want
to be seen by humans. It's like

693
01:00:50.280 --> 01:00:55.079
they're not really in a big hurry
to get to get away. So it's

694
01:00:55.119 --> 01:01:00.400
like there are so many questions,
not enough to answer. And I I'm

695
01:01:00.400 --> 01:01:05.320
glad that there are serious people out
there, serious researchers who are looking into

696
01:01:05.320 --> 01:01:09.079
it, and physicists who are really
starting to consider that maybe some of these

697
01:01:09.199 --> 01:01:16.119
UFOs don't have to be coming from
other planets in other galactic systems, if

698
01:01:16.599 --> 01:01:22.880
they're coming from spaces in different dimensional
spaces or realities that might be even closer

699
01:01:22.920 --> 01:01:28.800
to us. There's a lot of
different thoughts coming out about that now,

700
01:01:28.840 --> 01:01:34.000
and I just hope that within my
lifetime, within your lifetime, that we

701
01:01:34.079 --> 01:01:38.039
get to see some of these things. Yeah, so yeah, I mean

702
01:01:38.039 --> 01:01:43.199
it would be it would be amazing. When you brought up the SETI and

703
01:01:43.559 --> 01:01:49.960
about how you know, people presume
that their technologies would be similar to yours.

704
01:01:50.280 --> 01:01:52.000
Those things are always funny to me. And you know, I'm a

705
01:01:52.000 --> 01:01:55.480
big fan of SETI don't get me
wrong, But what are the results of

706
01:01:55.679 --> 01:01:59.960
and I know you had mentioned it. They had a big conferences last weekend

707
01:02:01.199 --> 01:02:07.360
and in their conference one of the
things that they discussed was metals. How

708
01:02:07.440 --> 01:02:14.719
they believe that for an extraterrestrial civilization
to have developed, there are certain things

709
01:02:14.800 --> 01:02:21.920
that these guys would have needed,
such as hands, something to manipulate materials

710
01:02:22.639 --> 01:02:27.800
with fingers and things, and they
would need metal because you can't develop technologies

711
01:02:27.840 --> 01:02:30.880
without metal. Those are the kind
of things that you, like you said,

712
01:02:31.159 --> 01:02:36.719
that are a little frustrating. Those
are such big assumptions. It seems

713
01:02:36.760 --> 01:02:44.599
to me, we don't know that
you need those things to develop intelligence or

714
01:02:44.719 --> 01:02:52.920
technology. That's true, although just
to be there's no metals in our brain,

715
01:02:52.159 --> 01:03:00.320
and our brains are an extreme technology, right, But just to act

716
01:03:00.360 --> 01:03:07.360
as Devil's advocate for a second about
that. To my knowledge, every report

717
01:03:08.000 --> 01:03:15.599
of encounters that people have claimed to
have had with what they say are alien

718
01:03:15.679 --> 01:03:22.760
beings going back in history over generations, I mean, even going back to

719
01:03:23.000 --> 01:03:30.119
the days of the Bible, when
biblical passages told about strange craft coming out

720
01:03:30.159 --> 01:03:36.920
of the skies and creatures getting out
of the craft and mingling with the humans.

721
01:03:35.880 --> 01:03:43.800
In almost every case, the creatures
have been described as having a head,

722
01:03:43.880 --> 01:03:46.840
a torso, two eggs, and
two arms, with fingers, with

723
01:03:47.000 --> 01:03:52.280
toes with two eyes. Now,
there have been differences. People have reported

724
01:03:52.320 --> 01:03:59.360
different kinds of creatures, some tall, some small, different colors, some

725
01:03:59.480 --> 01:04:04.119
with like three fingers, some with
five fingers. But still there does seem

726
01:04:04.360 --> 01:04:11.880
to be this humanoid appearance. Now, I mean, that's fine, but

727
01:04:12.079 --> 01:04:16.199
you know, many scientists, especially
the SETI scientists, will will argue that

728
01:04:16.599 --> 01:04:20.320
if there are other life forms,
intelligent life forms out there in the universe,

729
01:04:20.599 --> 01:04:25.440
they couldn't possibly look like humans.
They couldn't be humanoid because based on

730
01:04:26.039 --> 01:04:30.880
the makeup of their planet and their
their own civilization and the materials that drop

731
01:04:30.960 --> 01:04:36.559
forth their planets and some they would
have to look different from us, you

732
01:04:36.599 --> 01:04:42.000
know. So maybe maybe there are
planets that have giant worms. Can the

733
01:04:42.039 --> 01:04:45.440
giant worms build spaceships? I don't
know. Maybe maybe there are planets that

734
01:04:45.519 --> 01:04:54.920
just have intelligent flowers, you know, I don't know, but maybe Star

735
01:04:55.000 --> 01:04:59.159
Trek is correct. They you know, they went on a mission to seek

736
01:04:59.199 --> 01:05:03.079
out and investigate other forms of life, and didn't it seem odd that all

737
01:05:03.079 --> 01:05:10.280
those other forms of life were all
humanoid? So and every planet had an

738
01:05:10.360 --> 01:05:17.360
attractive woman, have some color green
or purple for Kirk two, Yeah,

739
01:05:17.440 --> 01:05:20.880
fall in love with have a romantic
encounter with. I mean, there wasn't

740
01:05:20.960 --> 01:05:27.920
enough romulan ale in the universe to
satisfy that man, right, But but

741
01:05:28.039 --> 01:05:31.119
you know, occasionally they would go
someplace like on a planet where they discovered

742
01:05:31.159 --> 01:05:36.880
a creature called the Horta, which
was this blob like creature that that could

743
01:05:38.079 --> 01:05:43.519
you know, could dig its way
through through tunnels and could raise its own

744
01:05:43.519 --> 01:05:48.960
little harts of babies, and the
babies looked like giant cylinders. So so,

745
01:05:49.159 --> 01:05:53.440
yeah, there probably is lots of
weird, strange life out there,

746
01:05:53.599 --> 01:06:00.519
but they're also probably I'd like to
think there are probably enough humanoids out there

747
01:06:00.159 --> 01:06:08.079
that have created the technology and have
built the machines, some of the machines

748
01:06:08.119 --> 01:06:15.440
that people are reporting, you know, whether they're using their fingers or whether

749
01:06:15.440 --> 01:06:19.559
they're just using the power of their
minds, their highly advanced minds to bring

750
01:06:19.559 --> 01:06:25.239
the materials together, you know,
lift up the blocks like people claim happened

751
01:06:25.280 --> 01:06:30.039
with the creation of the pyramids.
I don't know how this was done.

752
01:06:30.239 --> 01:06:36.519
All I'm saying is is, since
I'm not a debunker, I'm not going

753
01:06:36.599 --> 01:06:43.320
to automatically say that people are lying
about what they've seen. That would not

754
01:06:43.400 --> 01:06:48.199
be right. Sure, it's difficult
to prove these stories, but it doesn't

755
01:06:48.239 --> 01:06:55.840
mean that people are making up every
single story that we hear about that I

756
01:06:55.880 --> 01:07:00.519
think would be impossible to have so
many tens of thousands of people from all

757
01:07:00.559 --> 01:07:04.880
around the world throughout history. Are
they all lying? Are they all making

758
01:07:04.960 --> 01:07:11.320
stories up? Are they all hallucinating? Bright? I can't imagine that would

759
01:07:11.320 --> 01:07:16.960
be true, especially Yeah, some
of these incredible stories from these very credible

760
01:07:17.000 --> 01:07:21.159
people. Yeah, I mean we
you know, you get to the point

761
01:07:21.199 --> 01:07:27.760
where it's like diminishing returns. How
much longer are we going to keep ridiculing

762
01:07:27.800 --> 01:07:31.880
people or claiming that they're hallucinating,
or they're making stuff up, or they're

763
01:07:31.960 --> 01:07:39.480
they're creating bad photos from photoshops?
How much longer are the skeptics and the

764
01:07:39.480 --> 01:07:44.199
debunkers going to continue to do that
until we actually find some real answers.

765
01:07:44.440 --> 01:07:46.760
And I'll tell you this also,
al Angre, I don't just put the

766
01:07:46.800 --> 01:07:53.480
blame on the skeptics or the debunkers
or the governments of the world. I

767
01:07:53.599 --> 01:07:59.679
put a lot of this blame on
the visitors themselves. It's like if you're

768
01:07:59.800 --> 01:08:04.519
here, if you're visiting us,
show yourselves. But if that's not why

769
01:08:04.559 --> 01:08:10.719
you're here, if you have a
different agenda, then then don't show yourselves.

770
01:08:10.719 --> 01:08:15.479
But don't tease us, because obviously
you know that we're seeing you and

771
01:08:15.520 --> 01:08:20.840
we're photographing you. And if you
don't mind that, then fine, But

772
01:08:23.279 --> 01:08:28.039
I mean, it's really tough.
In nineteen sixty eight, the Air Force

773
01:08:28.079 --> 01:08:34.720
Academy had a textbook called Introductory Space
Science and they had a chapter called Unidentified

774
01:08:34.720 --> 01:08:40.039
Flying Objects. That chapter was only
in that book for about a year before

775
01:08:40.159 --> 01:08:43.680
they eliminated it from the book.
But it was a real chapter, and

776
01:08:44.199 --> 01:08:49.439
a very lengthy chapter in which Air
Force Academy cadets could read about what the

777
01:08:49.479 --> 01:08:56.560
military felt about UFO's flying sauces at
the time in nineteen sixty eight. And

778
01:08:56.640 --> 01:09:01.000
among the things that the cadets were
told in that chapter that the Air Force

779
01:09:01.600 --> 01:09:11.199
enjoyed the possibility that some of these
UFO stories could be the result of Earth

780
01:09:11.239 --> 01:09:16.800
being visited by three or four groups
of aliens, possibly at different stages of

781
01:09:16.920 --> 01:09:24.319
development. And also in the chapter, it had a whole section called why

782
01:09:24.520 --> 01:09:28.760
no Contact? And they tell the
cadets. So they told the cadets in

783
01:09:28.800 --> 01:09:32.560
this chapter. When you go to
a zoo, you don't go there and

784
01:09:32.640 --> 01:09:43.199
contact the animals, you know,
So any extraterrestrials that could be so far

785
01:09:44.079 --> 01:09:49.560
ahead of us technologically and psychologically might
not care about us at all, and

786
01:09:49.600 --> 01:09:56.359
they have other reasons for visiting planet
Earth and would prefer to not mingle with

787
01:09:56.479 --> 01:10:02.239
us thought, and again it's not
my thought. This is what they were

788
01:10:02.239 --> 01:10:06.640
telling the cadets, right, that
was one of many possibilities. It's like,

789
01:10:08.199 --> 01:10:12.279
why is there no formal contact?
Well, maybe because they don't consider

790
01:10:12.399 --> 01:10:18.600
us worth contacting or I'll give you
that. Yeah, you know, yeah,

791
01:10:18.720 --> 01:10:23.079
I know. What's interesting is,
you know, there wasn't much publicity

792
01:10:23.119 --> 01:10:27.039
on it, but there was a
guy who was blogging about it who would

793
01:10:27.039 --> 01:10:30.960
send me the links to his blog, who went to a SETI conference in

794
01:10:31.079 --> 01:10:38.079
Europe. Yeah, and you know, unlike the SETI conferences here in this

795
01:10:38.199 --> 01:10:44.199
European when there were several speakers who
were professors at different universities talking about how

796
01:10:44.239 --> 01:10:49.359
they think we may already be being
visited and how they they had a couple

797
01:10:49.319 --> 01:10:53.840
of theories. One of them,
you know, they talked about that one

798
01:10:53.840 --> 01:10:58.239
a lot, and they talked about
the one, you know, kind of

799
01:10:58.319 --> 01:11:05.399
San Friedman talks about it a lot
that we're probably being kind of, you

800
01:11:05.439 --> 01:11:10.720
know, Captain arntstre containing us and
keeping a watch on us so we don't

801
01:11:10.720 --> 01:11:15.840
go screw up the rest of the
environment around us, but kind of keeping

802
01:11:15.920 --> 01:11:21.079
us contained and watching us. Yeah, and you know, to what end?

803
01:11:21.279 --> 01:11:25.600
People will say, well, we
don't know what end. If we

804
01:11:25.640 --> 01:11:32.520
are being visited, we can't possibly
know what their agenda is. We just

805
01:11:32.640 --> 01:11:38.600
can't. People have said throughout the
years, throughout the centuries, well they

806
01:11:38.680 --> 01:11:41.840
must be the gods from out of
space. Well, you know what,

807
01:11:43.359 --> 01:11:48.520
anybody who is a few hundred years
ahead of us technologically, let's say,

808
01:11:48.520 --> 01:11:53.119
you will give them a thousand years
ten thousand years ahead of us, because

809
01:11:53.159 --> 01:12:00.880
there are so many possible civilizations out
there. Just because they would be more

810
01:12:00.920 --> 01:12:08.000
advanced technologically than we are doesn't mean
they know anything more about how all this

811
01:12:08.119 --> 01:12:11.960
began, you know, the big
question where did we all come from?

812
01:12:12.560 --> 01:12:16.319
They may not know the answer to
that any more than we do, but

813
01:12:16.359 --> 01:12:19.479
people automatically assume, well, if
they're coming from out of faith, they

814
01:12:19.560 --> 01:12:25.159
must be the gods. I'm sorry, I don't buy that. I never

815
01:12:25.199 --> 01:12:29.159
have. But again that whole chariots
of the God's things. People back in

816
01:12:29.199 --> 01:12:31.880
the days of the Bible, when
they were seeing and reporting and writing about

817
01:12:32.279 --> 01:12:36.640
strange things that came out of the
sky, well that's all that they knew.

818
01:12:38.239 --> 01:12:42.520
They didn't have the technology to understand
that this is something called technology.

819
01:12:43.039 --> 01:12:46.479
All that they knew was, here
are things coming from the sky with strange

820
01:12:46.479 --> 01:12:51.600
creatures. They must be gods because
we can't do what they can do.

821
01:12:53.399 --> 01:12:57.920
That's how this works. I say
to people, keep it simple. There's

822
01:12:57.920 --> 01:13:04.000
nothing mystical or magical supernatural about any
of this. We're part of a big

823
01:13:04.039 --> 01:13:10.159
as Stan Friedman likes to say,
it's a big galactic neighborhood. And there

824
01:13:10.159 --> 01:13:15.640
are many galactic neighborhoods around the universe. We already know that. So let's,

825
01:13:15.079 --> 01:13:20.520
you know, let's have a yard
sale with everybody out there. Or

826
01:13:20.640 --> 01:13:27.199
like Arthur C. Clark said,
any sufficiently advanced technology is going to look

827
01:13:27.239 --> 01:13:33.479
like magic. Of course. Absolutely. You take bushmen from you know,

828
01:13:33.640 --> 01:13:39.560
the Calahari Desert, you know,
or you know who've never been around people

829
01:13:39.920 --> 01:13:44.119
who have technology, and you visit
them and you show them something like a

830
01:13:44.279 --> 01:13:47.720
like a cigarette lighter or a camera
or whatever, and it's magic. It's

831
01:13:47.720 --> 01:13:53.399
like, oh my, who are
these people who have these wonderful, mysterious

832
01:13:53.439 --> 01:13:56.880
things? All we have are spears. It reminds me of the scene and

833
01:13:57.239 --> 01:14:03.520
Back to the Future where Marty puts
the headphones on his dad and where's that

834
01:14:03.520 --> 01:14:11.800
that outfit and blares them the rock
music. Oh yeah, yeah, and

835
01:14:12.159 --> 01:14:15.920
he pretends he's Darth Vader. Yeah
exactly, I thought, I know.

836
01:14:17.279 --> 01:14:20.479
So it's all magical. You know. One of the things, though,

837
01:14:20.520 --> 01:14:28.000
that we could do as humans to
take advantage of this, uh, these

838
01:14:28.159 --> 01:14:34.800
questions, is to stage an alien
invasion to help the economy. I think

839
01:14:34.840 --> 01:14:40.119
he wrote something about this recently.
I did, I did this. So

840
01:14:40.279 --> 01:14:43.319
is this guy serious you think?
I mean, I've seen the stories and

841
01:14:43.359 --> 01:14:46.079
this Paul Krugman talk about this.
Why does he keep talking about this?

842
01:14:46.239 --> 01:14:49.439
Is he just trying to be silly? No, he was trying to make

843
01:14:49.479 --> 01:14:55.680
a point. He won the Nobel
Peace Prize or the Nobel Prize in Economics

844
01:14:56.239 --> 01:15:00.479
and Paul Krugman and he he's a
professor of Princeton. He has a column

845
01:15:00.520 --> 01:15:05.319
for The New York Times, and
for over a year he's he's been talking

846
01:15:05.359 --> 01:15:13.039
about the idea where he says that
if the United States that the United States

847
01:15:13.039 --> 01:15:17.119
could benefit economically. We could get
out of all of our money problems if

848
01:15:17.159 --> 01:15:24.520
only we started pouring money and doing
immense spending into something which would create jobs

849
01:15:25.399 --> 01:15:28.920
and that would help the economy.
And so he basically said, what we

850
01:15:28.960 --> 01:15:32.840
really need is we need to get
scientists to say that they figured out that

851
01:15:32.920 --> 01:15:38.319
there's an alien invasion on the way, and we need to bring everybody together

852
01:15:38.640 --> 01:15:43.960
to start building alien anti alien defense. We need to build more roads,

853
01:15:44.000 --> 01:15:49.880
and we need to build more bridges
and anti defense systems. And he's even

854
01:15:49.920 --> 01:15:56.640
said that even a fake war of
the world's scare would help the economy.

855
01:15:58.039 --> 01:16:02.840
And some people believe that he's right
that this could help, but he never

856
01:16:02.880 --> 01:16:06.199
actually seriously said, well, I
think we should do this well, because

857
01:16:06.960 --> 01:16:12.520
nobody's actually saying that there's an alien
invasion on the way, although some people

858
01:16:12.560 --> 01:16:15.880
are. But but and I keep
getting emails from people who are claiming that

859
01:16:15.920 --> 01:16:24.399
there are spaceships that are starting to
form their stance out beyond our planets.

860
01:16:24.760 --> 01:16:28.079
I get a lot of stuff about
this. So maybe there is going to

861
01:16:28.079 --> 01:16:34.039
be an alien invasion. But you
know, earthlings are not the only game

862
01:16:34.119 --> 01:16:42.159
in town. And so we really
should start thinking about how we're part of

863
01:16:42.159 --> 01:16:46.960
a galactic neighborhood of people out there
who maybe aren't coming here to eat us

864
01:16:47.079 --> 01:16:51.279
or to kill us, because wouldn't
they have done that already? But I

865
01:16:51.319 --> 01:16:57.720
mean, why does he keep talking
about this Because as an economist, he

866
01:16:57.840 --> 01:17:02.560
believes, you know, that there
should ways of helping the national economy,

867
01:17:02.840 --> 01:17:06.319
helping the United States to get out
of debt, and apparently, historically one

868
01:17:06.359 --> 01:17:11.000
way to do that is for the
United States to start spending a lot of

869
01:17:11.000 --> 01:17:15.520
money to actually create jobs. Well, if people were told that there were

870
01:17:15.520 --> 01:17:21.159
going to be jobs created that would
help our planet to ward off an alien

871
01:17:21.199 --> 01:17:28.079
invasion, well then the economy gets
put back together. So he's basically saying

872
01:17:28.359 --> 01:17:30.319
that would be one way of doing
it. I'm not really saying that it's

873
01:17:30.359 --> 01:17:33.760
going to happen, but from an
economic point of view, that's what we

874
01:17:33.840 --> 01:17:36.880
need something like that. So he
just kind of threw it out there and

875
01:17:36.920 --> 01:17:42.279
said we need a possible alien invasion
of Earth. So yeah, so he's

876
01:17:42.319 --> 01:17:44.680
just kind of being silly, I
guess. I mean, oh yeah,

877
01:17:45.119 --> 01:17:53.399
yeah. Everywhere that he appeared on
CNN last year, he basically just said

878
01:17:54.520 --> 01:17:58.720
to get us out of our economic
gol drums, we have to prepare for

879
01:17:58.760 --> 01:18:04.279
an alien invasion. What he does
is he talks about how the Great Depression

880
01:18:06.479 --> 01:18:12.039
was successfully ended when the government started
spending a lot of money back in the

881
01:18:12.119 --> 01:18:15.079
days of the World Wars. Right. He says that, you know,

882
01:18:15.119 --> 01:18:19.520
so we have to kind of replicate
that somehow and get the government start spending

883
01:18:19.520 --> 01:18:24.760
a lot of money. It'd probably
be a little more constructive if he just

884
01:18:24.840 --> 01:18:30.960
stuck to something perhaps that would be
feasible than what's money, though of course

885
01:18:30.960 --> 01:18:33.960
it does harken there's a conspiracy theorist
who believe that, you know, there

886
01:18:34.079 --> 01:18:42.600
is going to be an alien invasion
fained for purposes of developing defense. But

887
01:18:43.520 --> 01:18:49.479
the funny thing is is that by
this crowman guy saying this stuff, I

888
01:18:49.479 --> 01:18:54.960
don't know, if I you know, people would be less likely to bake

889
01:18:55.039 --> 01:19:00.840
something if this guy is over here
saying that's what we should do. Yeah.

890
01:19:00.840 --> 01:19:04.159
But he he's also gone on record
by actually saying that it's a fake

891
01:19:04.319 --> 01:19:11.600
threat. He he has never said
that this is going to right. Oh

892
01:19:11.640 --> 01:19:13.640
yeah, I mean he's he's been
very open and he said, yeah,

893
01:19:13.640 --> 01:19:20.000
I've created this fake threat scenario as
an example of how the United States could

894
01:19:20.199 --> 01:19:26.239
clear all of its economic problems up. Yeah, you know, he even

895
01:19:26.880 --> 01:19:30.640
last year he told CNN, if
I remember that there used to be a

896
01:19:30.640 --> 01:19:39.800
Twilight Zone episode where scientists faked an
alien threat in order to achieve world peace.

897
01:19:40.119 --> 01:19:42.800
Well, you know, now he's
now he says, well, this

898
01:19:42.920 --> 01:19:47.520
time, we need to do a
fake alien threat in order to get some

899
01:19:48.119 --> 01:19:53.520
economic stimulus happening for the country.
It's just so weird. What a weird

900
01:19:53.560 --> 01:19:57.880
guy. I know. But but
everybody was listening, and you know it

901
01:19:58.840 --> 01:20:01.520
pay Yeah, it was. And
you know, he has won a Nobel

902
01:20:01.600 --> 01:20:04.880
Prize in economics. So a lot
of people, of course think that,

903
01:20:05.239 --> 01:20:08.680
you know, when someone like him
stands up and wants to talk, you

904
01:20:08.720 --> 01:20:12.239
know, we'd better listen. But
but again, he never actually said that

905
01:20:12.560 --> 01:20:15.720
he really believed that there was an
alien invasion and that we should really well

906
01:20:15.800 --> 01:20:20.039
that we should we should really have
some scientists make the claim. He has

907
01:20:20.199 --> 01:20:25.760
always said that it was just like
a fantasy idea that he made up,

908
01:20:26.079 --> 01:20:31.800
right, You've made that very very
clear. Yeah, So, I mean

909
01:20:31.840 --> 01:20:34.359
it is what it is. I
got a good story out of it.

910
01:20:34.800 --> 01:20:39.600
Yeah, and you know, before
we're running out of time. But I

911
01:20:39.640 --> 01:20:45.560
definitely want to talk about at least
the Baltic Sea story, because as far

912
01:20:45.600 --> 01:20:48.279
as I know, you were the
first one to write about how they when

913
01:20:48.319 --> 01:20:54.119
they went there they actually found it
to be at first see. And these

914
01:20:54.159 --> 01:20:59.560
guys are are these treasure hunters are
kind of goofy. They're changing their stories

915
01:20:59.600 --> 01:21:03.680
all the time, but especially at
the time they first posted they said it

916
01:21:03.720 --> 01:21:09.479
looked like a giant mushroom. They
did, and that was directly from their

917
01:21:09.479 --> 01:21:14.239
website and the day they we're talking
about it's a it's a group called the

918
01:21:14.239 --> 01:21:19.840
Ocean Explorer, and it's basically it's
it's these two guys who are treasure hunters,

919
01:21:20.520 --> 01:21:28.720
Okay, and they a year ago, last June almost exactly, well

920
01:21:28.720 --> 01:21:31.640
a little more than a year ago, they were they were preparing to leave

921
01:21:31.680 --> 01:21:36.640
a certain area of the Baltic Sea
when side scan sonar that they were using

922
01:21:38.640 --> 01:21:44.439
caught images of something lying on the
bottom of the Baltic Sea and people started

923
01:21:44.439 --> 01:21:47.279
claiming, well, it looks like
the Millennium Falcon spaceship from the Song Wars

924
01:21:47.359 --> 01:21:54.039
movies, and and it all quickly
went viral, and it took them more

925
01:21:54.079 --> 01:21:59.640
than a year to raise more funds
so they could go back to the Baltic

926
01:21:59.680 --> 01:22:04.880
Sea with more divers, more deep
sea divers, better equipment, better cameras

927
01:22:05.319 --> 01:22:11.800
to get a closer look at this
thing. And so when they got back

928
01:22:11.840 --> 01:22:18.199
there a few weeks ago, they
instantly released pictures and videos and it was

929
01:22:18.239 --> 01:22:24.239
just all close up things that they
didn't really have anything from very far away.

930
01:22:24.079 --> 01:22:27.800
They were like right on top of
the thing, and you couldn't really

931
01:22:27.840 --> 01:22:31.199
see a lot except a lot of
the edges of this object were smooth,

932
01:22:31.319 --> 01:22:35.319
they were rounded. They said it
was almost like sitting sitting on top of

933
01:22:35.359 --> 01:22:40.279
some kind of a pillar, as
if it was growing out of the ocean

934
01:22:40.319 --> 01:22:43.960
floor, and that it looked a
lot like a mushroom, as you can

935
01:22:44.000 --> 01:22:48.239
all imagine what a mushroom would look
like. And they found like circles of

936
01:22:48.359 --> 01:22:56.279
rocks on this object, which they
said reminded them of like a fireplace that's

937
01:22:56.319 --> 01:23:01.319
made out of rocks. They found
a mysterious hole in this thing, and

938
01:23:01.319 --> 01:23:04.920
and then, and then, even
in the last week or two, another

939
01:23:04.960 --> 01:23:09.760
story has come out in which one
of the divers was claiming that as they

940
01:23:09.760 --> 01:23:14.680
got closer to the object from the
surface, they their their cameras, the

941
01:23:14.840 --> 01:23:18.920
power suddenly went out and they couldn't
actually film certain things until they got further

942
01:23:19.000 --> 01:23:24.880
away. Well, that that hasn't
really been substantiated, and now some people

943
01:23:24.960 --> 01:23:28.479
are out there claiming that the whole
thing was a scam. And and in

944
01:23:28.520 --> 01:23:31.319
fact, I read I read a
story the other day where some people uncovered

945
01:23:31.359 --> 01:23:38.479
the fact that one of the two
heads of the Ocean Explorer that he's it,

946
01:23:38.560 --> 01:23:42.960
was actually an actor and they found
his website with his picture on the

947
01:23:43.000 --> 01:23:46.520
website when he was doing acting.
See, and here's why I know and

948
01:23:46.560 --> 01:23:53.560
I don't, Christie's since the beginning, they've been using these phrases like UFO

949
01:23:53.680 --> 01:23:58.319
and millennium falcon and they they laugh
about it, and they say, oh,

950
01:23:58.439 --> 01:24:01.600
you know, they they really glom
onto what the media is talking about.

951
01:24:02.000 --> 01:24:04.600
So at first, you know,
you see an interview and they're laughing,

952
01:24:04.640 --> 01:24:08.119
ha ha, you know, we
were just joking when we said that,

953
01:24:08.600 --> 01:24:11.880
and then once the media really talks
about it, they get more serious

954
01:24:11.920 --> 01:24:16.079
about that aspect, and they just
don't seem to they change their stories.

955
01:24:16.119 --> 01:24:21.880
They seem to really be hamming up
the media. And I guess another aspect

956
01:24:21.920 --> 01:24:27.680
that frustrated me with the story too, was that there was an interview where

957
01:24:27.680 --> 01:24:32.800
they said there were exercises from the
military Russian in US nearby, and then

958
01:24:33.039 --> 01:24:38.600
this evolved into and really it was
the fault of these boggers and stuff in

959
01:24:38.640 --> 01:24:42.520
this field saying, oh, the
military is blockading the area, and no

960
01:24:42.640 --> 01:24:47.199
that never happened, nor did they
say that, right, but at least

961
01:24:47.239 --> 01:24:51.960
there was a partial truth to that, Alejandro, that it was a coincidence

962
01:24:53.439 --> 01:24:57.720
that on the day, But that's
not a blockade, no, no,

963
01:24:57.720 --> 01:25:03.199
not at all. The coincidence this
was that when these guys left Stockholm to

964
01:25:03.279 --> 01:25:06.880
go back to the area to where
the object was, and I think they

965
01:25:08.159 --> 01:25:13.880
left on June first, it was
a coincidence that in other areas of the

966
01:25:13.880 --> 01:25:20.199
Baltic Sea, the United States,
Russia and something like fifteen other countries were

967
01:25:20.359 --> 01:25:30.119
conducting military exercises. And this is
something that they have done every year at

968
01:25:30.159 --> 01:25:32.479
about the same time the beginning of
June. They've done this for like the

969
01:25:32.520 --> 01:25:38.560
last twenty or twenty five years.
And so this had nothing to do with

970
01:25:38.880 --> 01:25:43.279
these guys going back. Well that's
what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah,

971
01:25:43.600 --> 01:25:46.640
and there was, like you said, there was no blockade. And I've

972
01:25:46.680 --> 01:25:51.720
been saying to people, look,
if these guys were dumb enough a year

973
01:25:51.720 --> 01:25:57.920
ago to say that they've come upon
this object on the bottom of the Baltic

974
01:25:57.960 --> 01:26:00.319
Sea, but they're not going to
be able to get back to it for

975
01:26:00.359 --> 01:26:06.279
another year. Do you think that
if the United States or Russia or other

976
01:26:06.359 --> 01:26:12.399
countries who have enough resources and manpower, if they actually thought there was something

977
01:26:12.439 --> 01:26:15.960
going on here, you think within
the last year, they wouldn't have gone

978
01:26:15.960 --> 01:26:18.000
back there and found it themselves and
brought it up and made it go away.

979
01:26:19.159 --> 01:26:23.600
I think so, yeah. And
if they did want to blockade these

980
01:26:23.640 --> 01:26:27.119
guys, they would have very easily
been able to do so, that's right.

981
01:26:27.159 --> 01:26:30.359
And the other thing was if they
had gone there and they took it

982
01:26:30.399 --> 01:26:32.960
away, then what would have happened
was these guys would have gone back there

983
01:26:32.960 --> 01:26:35.439
and they would have gone down to
the right coordinates and they would have said,

984
01:26:35.439 --> 01:26:40.319
wait a minute, where's the object
that we saw here a year ago.

985
01:26:40.600 --> 01:26:44.399
It must be a conspiracy. Someone
must have taken it away, And

986
01:26:44.520 --> 01:26:47.560
then all the conspiracy theorists would have
come out. But then skeptics might have

987
01:26:47.600 --> 01:26:50.319
said, well, you guys just
went down to the wrong location, and

988
01:26:50.359 --> 01:26:54.800
it would have just blown itself.
It would have imploded. The whole thing

989
01:26:54.840 --> 01:26:58.319
would have imploded on them, right, So at this point where it stands,

990
01:26:58.399 --> 01:27:00.800
they took samples of the object,
and I understand that the samples are

991
01:27:00.800 --> 01:27:06.560
being analyzed in Stockholm. And I've
been checking the website every day to get

992
01:27:06.560 --> 01:27:10.640
any updates, and so far there
haven't been. And so we'll see.

993
01:27:11.119 --> 01:27:15.479
We'll just see what we'll see about
the Baltic UFO. And also in my

994
01:27:15.600 --> 01:27:18.760
story, I think I might have
been one of the first people to say

995
01:27:19.319 --> 01:27:26.159
that isn't it about time that everybody
agrees we should refer to this object as

996
01:27:26.199 --> 01:27:33.439
a USO, not a UFO,
a USO as in unidentified submerged object,

997
01:27:33.640 --> 01:27:39.840
because as far as we know,
nobody knows if this object was ever in

998
01:27:39.920 --> 01:27:45.399
the air and was ever flying,
So why are we calling it a UFO.

999
01:27:45.000 --> 01:27:49.479
Yeah, that's a good point.
Yeah, so I'll take on everybody,

1000
01:27:49.800 --> 01:27:54.680
get them, Let's try to get
them. So that's interesting though,

1001
01:27:54.680 --> 01:27:59.800
that their website didn't say anything about
this electronics thing. Huh, that's rights

1002
01:28:00.159 --> 01:28:03.000
And that's that's what bothered me,
that the story started coming out of all

1003
01:28:03.000 --> 01:28:08.319
the electronic things, and I kept
going to the website, nothing and I

1004
01:28:08.319 --> 01:28:10.880
thought, well, that's a little
odd. If they'd been reporting everything else

1005
01:28:10.920 --> 01:28:14.760
in the website, Well why not
this? What's up with this? So,

1006
01:28:15.840 --> 01:28:21.359
yeah, you know it's fishy considering
it from the ocean, but yeah,

1007
01:28:21.479 --> 01:28:27.840
it's a USO. Everybody get used
to it. Yeah, live with

1008
01:28:27.920 --> 01:28:31.439
it. Hey, listen. I
came under a lot of heat because people

1009
01:28:31.840 --> 01:28:38.520
thought combentors to my story. People
thought that I was saying that this was

1010
01:28:38.680 --> 01:28:43.920
in fact a giant mushroom, and
I wasn't saying that. I was saying

1011
01:28:44.000 --> 01:28:48.800
that that the researchers said that it
looked like a mushroom. It was mushroom

1012
01:28:48.880 --> 01:28:56.560
shaped, but nobody was saying that
this was a gigantic portobello mushroom, which

1013
01:28:56.800 --> 01:29:02.079
sounds delicious. Yeah, let's bring
in some tomato sauce and pour it over

1014
01:29:02.119 --> 01:29:08.399
the thing. I love a good
portobello. I love a good portobello from

1015
01:29:08.439 --> 01:29:13.439
the bottom of the Baltic Sea.
Well, we are pretty much out of

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time, so a lot of interesting
stories. As usual. You've got probably

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plans on because you're always a busy
guy. Some new exciting stories, I'm

1018
01:29:24.720 --> 01:29:30.119
sure. Yeah, I'm actually working
on a piece. I'm following up some

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01:29:30.159 --> 01:29:33.800
information about a little story that recently
came out about how one of the one

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01:29:33.800 --> 01:29:38.680
of the Soviet should say Soviet one
of the Russian cosmonauts who I believe was

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01:29:38.680 --> 01:29:44.079
on the space station. A bunch
of media outlets pick this up last week.

1022
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I'm not sure if you had it
on your site or not, but

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he was saying that apparently the United
Nations, in conjunction with China, has

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come up with some kind of protocol
instructions for or astronauts or cosmonauts on how

1025
01:30:02.600 --> 01:30:10.680
to deal with possible first contact with
extraterrestrials. Now I read this, and

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01:30:10.800 --> 01:30:15.199
I kept finding many different stories that
talked about this, but not a single

1027
01:30:15.239 --> 01:30:21.239
story out there actually had the instructions. And I thought that was pretty odd,

1028
01:30:23.199 --> 01:30:30.000
because if the United Nations has such
a protocol policy, why haven't they

1029
01:30:30.039 --> 01:30:32.399
released that. If that's something you'd
want to hide from the public, I

1030
01:30:32.399 --> 01:30:38.319
would think that to boost public interests
in the United Nations, they would want

1031
01:30:38.359 --> 01:30:43.039
people to know that, Hey,
if there is first contact, you folks

1032
01:30:43.159 --> 01:30:45.199
might like to know how we would
like to approach it. That would be

1033
01:30:45.399 --> 01:30:50.680
a great morale and pr situation for
the UM. But nothing. So I

1034
01:30:50.680 --> 01:30:54.479
put in a couple of calls.
I'm waiting for some people to come back

1035
01:30:54.520 --> 01:30:59.359
to me and say is there or
is there not a policy for first contact?

1036
01:31:00.039 --> 01:31:01.239
Yeah, And of course there was
that story a year or so ago

1037
01:31:01.399 --> 01:31:08.000
where it was rumored that this woman
and she had said something to the effect

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01:31:08.079 --> 01:31:12.239
I think a science representative who said, I think she was just joking around,

1039
01:31:12.239 --> 01:31:15.920
saying I think since i'm science,
I would probably be the one task

1040
01:31:15.039 --> 01:31:18.560
to talk with the aliens if they
wanted to talk to the UN. But

1041
01:31:19.000 --> 01:31:24.359
something like that. Yeah, Yes, And the stories came out claiming that

1042
01:31:24.720 --> 01:31:33.479
she was the new Earth ambassador to
out of space, and she quickly went

1043
01:31:33.600 --> 01:31:38.560
on the air and made public statements
saying, no, I never said that

1044
01:31:38.800 --> 01:31:42.399
there is no such thing. There
is no such policy, And it's entirely

1045
01:31:42.479 --> 01:31:47.439
possible, Alejandro, that this cosmonaut
may have been thinking about that and may

1046
01:31:47.479 --> 01:31:50.760
have just kind of, like you
say, gotten lost in translation, that

1047
01:31:50.840 --> 01:31:56.079
maybe he was just remembering the story
from over a year ago when people were

1048
01:31:56.119 --> 01:32:00.119
saying that there was a special office
set up at the UN for first contact.

1049
01:32:00.399 --> 01:32:02.359
I'm sure that that's all this is
going to turn out to be,

1050
01:32:02.720 --> 01:32:06.520
but I'd like to at least follow
it to its conclusion. Yeah, And

1051
01:32:06.600 --> 01:32:11.079
if they want to open a position
like that, hopefully they put it up

1052
01:32:11.079 --> 01:32:16.039
on Monster and you and I can
apply for it, that's right. Yeah.

1053
01:32:16.199 --> 01:32:19.520
Or if they say it's going to
cost too much money to put this

1054
01:32:19.640 --> 01:32:23.439
kind of an office together, that
I'll say, you and I should go

1055
01:32:23.479 --> 01:32:27.760
on the Kickstarter and we'll raise the
funds. Yeah, that's right, and

1056
01:32:28.199 --> 01:32:30.960
I'll bet we'll get the money we
want too. Yep, just like I'm

1057
01:32:30.960 --> 01:32:33.800
going to get the money for the
conference. I'm my Kickstarter. Well,

1058
01:32:34.520 --> 01:32:38.920
I'm sure you will, because you're
doing a really good thing out there.

1059
01:32:39.199 --> 01:32:43.000
Thanks brother, you bet all right. Well, I'm going to be excited

1060
01:32:43.000 --> 01:32:46.199
to see you at the conference,
and I'll be excited to stay in contact

1061
01:32:46.439 --> 01:32:50.520
with you on a regular basis as
usual. You bet, Alejandro will do

1062
01:32:50.560 --> 01:32:55.479
a buffet together in Las Vegas.
All right, sounds good. Thanks for

1063
01:32:55.520 --> 01:33:00.399
being on the show again. Thank
you so much. Thank you to mister

1064
01:33:00.520 --> 01:33:04.439
Lee Speaker. He's always a lot
of fun and always up to something interesting

1065
01:33:04.960 --> 01:33:12.039
and unique. How exciting it would
be too right for having to post and

1066
01:33:12.079 --> 01:33:16.760
all this stuff. Anyway, it's
been another wonderful show. I would like

1067
01:33:16.800 --> 01:33:21.399
to thank you all for joining me. Join me next week as we have

1068
01:33:21.640 --> 01:33:29.640
another fascinating and wonderful guest, and
once again I need to put a link

1069
01:33:29.880 --> 01:33:33.760
for these guys on the site.
But thanks to to Earth Minute Too created

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01:33:33.840 --> 01:33:39.079
our clothes, music, audio,
smooth chutos. Tuck to you next week.

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