Welcome to the UFO Think Tank Craigier with your host Alejandro Rohan. Oh UFO
fans, It's Alejandro Rojas, and I am so happy to be talking to
you again. I get very giddy to be speaking to the thousands, tens
of thousands of wonderful fans of UFO Think Tank out there, and I must
say I am very happy and humbled by your continued attention to the show.
I do work hard as you I'm sure can imagine, on putting the show
together and doing this for you on a weekly basis, and I'm so happy
that many of you appreciate it and continue to come and join us every week
with the wonderful guests. Speaking of wonderful guests, there is a wonderful guest
that I have this evening, and it's fact that it's someone I should have
on a regular basis. I kind of have actually since we've become a good
buddies. And that is the writer for the Huffington Post, Lee Spiegel.
He of course is writing stories all the time, and I'm talking about those
stories every week. He's pretty much the most prolific and he's really the only
mainstream, mainstream writer for a paper out there, especially a big one Huffington
Post, which when what the Politzer recently, or at least one of their
writers did. So it's very exciting to be part of that team and net
debut buddies with Lee and I can't remember the number. Maybe we'll ask him
about it, something like that a billion hit or some crazy huge number of
hits that weird News has gotten, which is what he writes for. Yeah,
unfortunate they use the term weird news to put UFOs in because they're not
that weird. And in fact, the story I wrote isn't that weird.
Just posted today. So at least Biegel is going to be on the show.
We're going to talk about a lot of the news going on, so
I'll cover a little bit of news, but we talked for quite some time
in this interview, and so we'll be able to catch up on a lot
of the news that I don't get to. At the beginning of the show,
during our UFO news section, you probably heard me mentioned just a minute
ago that I had a Huffington Post put up today. Yes, and it's
about science, UFOs and the search for extraterrestrial intelligence. This title may seem
familiar to you, because that is also the subtitle to my conference, the
Cosmic Exploration Conference. So that's mostly what this is about. That you know,
hey, SET, he's out there. There's some cool dudes and they
used to be seeing this fringe before they really got out there and you know,
rolled up their shirt sleeves, started talking to scientists and got their program
rolling so people would take the science of searching for extraterrestrial life and intelligent extraterrestrial
life serious. So what I'm saying is we need this same sort of effort
for UFOs and that there are scientists out there who are interested in the topic.
And I can prove it because I am gathering a bunch of great scientists
together for the Cosmic Exploration Conference. We've got a ton of PhDs. I
mean, we have a professor of psychology, Albert Harrison, and this is
at UC Davis. He was also a member of SETI I think I mentioned
him last week. He's one of our latest speakers and so really excited about
that. I just finalized in the last speaker, which is John Peterson.
And this is really exciting because he is actually the head and the founder of
the Arlington Institute, which is a think tank that works with the military.
He's a futurist and he will tell us about the future of mankind and some
of these it is he works on what he calls high impact surprises or wild
cards. These are things that happened that we never could have imagined would have
happened. And even though we're already talking about it, of course, the
discovery of extraterrestrial life, what would that mean? What would that mean if
an extraterrestrial civilization contacted us in an open manner, you know? And he
thinks about this kind of stuff and talks about it with government infra institutions.
He worked for the National War College, with the Navy, with he worked
in the Office of the Secretary of Defense, with the National Security Council at
the White House. So this is a very impressive individual and we are very
lucky to have him coming to the conference. And so we have some incredible,
credible people at this conference. And I'm really excited about it. I
told you last week how he was going to start a Kickstarter for it,
and I have done that. The kickstarter is for the video portion. So
in other words, the conference is happening. It is rolling. The conferences
I've got all of these incredible speakers confirmed. Hopefully you can make it to
join us, because this is going to be, I think, really special.
I mean, it's a SETI like conference, but it's about space mysteries,
SETI and all of these other you know, the discovery of extraterrestrial life
with UFOs in the mix, in a credible and serious scientific manner. So
this kickstarter, however, is to do videos because I want to videotape these
lectures and I want to put them on YouTube. I want to sell DVDs.
I want to share these these incredible lectures in this event with everyone from
here to eternity. However, I don't have all the video equipment. Of
course, as you know, I've put on a lot of conferences and that
I have used to other people's equipment, and I have a little bit,
but I need some more. So that's what the kickstarter is. People can
pre order some DVDs set to DVDs of the conference, and if I get
enough people on this kickstarter and we cover the project goals, then I'll definitely
be able to make the videos and everything will be wonderful. So I want
to, you know, thank the first back or I've gotten Paul and in
fact, you know, he had a good point, or Pete, I'm
sorry, and Pete had a good point because he's like, you know,
I'm not going to be able to make a conference because I live abroad,
and so that's why i'd love to have some DVDs. But what happens if
you don't meet your goal? And the answer is in I can't say for
sure, but most likely I won't be able to make the DVD send because
I won't have the equipment. Now, if I have a huge searge in
attendance, I could do that, but I'm not sure. So really,
the Kickstarter guarantees that I can do the videos. If I can't, if
I don't get the funding through Kickstarter, then most likely I won't be able
to. But who knows. If we have a whole bunch of conference goers,
and maybe I'll be able to do it even if the Kickstarter doesn't get
funded. But how cool is that? Kickstarter is cool? You know this
crowdsourcing. You go there and they help you get funding or help you get
the word out for funding. So Kickstarter is a really cool thing, and
you know, I figured, hey, it would be kind of fun something
different a UFO, a cosmic kickstarter who's had done that before. Nobody,
I don't think, so decided to try it out. So that's the news
on the conference. I really hope you can make it. Ben McGee who
is in this new Chasing UFOs television show, he's a skeptic and the scientist
will be speaking. He's a geoscientist and aerospace consultant and his company Astro Rights
Spaceflight Consulting is actually a sponsor for the conference. So how exciting is that?
Super cool? If you ask me so, you can go to a
cosmic exploration conference website cosmicex dot com. You can go to my Facebook,
YUFU think Tank, you could go to ufodailynews dot com. Any of these
sites are going to get you all of this information. They're going to get
you to get the kickstarter to the conference or wherever you want to go.
So I come visit me online and thank you for all of those who do
already. It's great. It's fun to be part of this virtual community with
wonderful people such as you. Now getting into the news because we got a
long talk here with Lee. So I don't have a lot of time,
but I just want to cover some of the big couple of the big stories
out there. First of all, I first came across this from Robbie Graham's
site, Silver Screen Saucers. It's a great side. I love it.
In fact, I've reposted some of his stories and maybe I'll repost this one.
By permission. Robbie's like, hey, you know, we're buddies.
He's a cool guy. Anyway, a few other people might have heard this
show. On Coast to Coast Whears. There's this guy who was part of
the CIA. He's a thirty five year veteran with the CIA. He wrote
a book on Roswell and according to him, quote, there was a craft
from beyond this World that crashed at Roswell. The military picked up remains of
not just the wreckage, but cadavers. Roswell happened end quote. That's what
this guy is saying. So I've been in the CIO. Wild supposedly had
worked with Bill Clinton. He was a briefer to Bill Clinton. Supposedly,
so pretty interesting. Of course, some people are saying, yeah, he
writes a fiction book on Roswell and then comes out and say it says this
is he just trying to sell books. I don't know the cryptos Conundrum is
the name of the book, but it sounds pretty interesting and we'll be looking
further into this. But you can see this, of course, all the
news I talk about at ufodailynews dot com. If you don't see a story
on it, just click on the UFO news feed on the top and you'll
see that story in many, many others. Another story here. We're going
to talk to Lee a lot about chasing UFOs and some of what they've been
up to. But I did want to mention this study that the National Geographic
did in conjunction with the release of the television show. And the study survey
people ask him you believe in UFOs. Thirty six percent said yes, which
is pretty consistent. Thirty to fifty percent is usually what I quote, because
typically these surveys that are scientifically done say that, you know, thirty to
fifty percent of the people believe there's something to UFOs That factors out to be
eighty million Americans according to National Geographic. So some really interesting numbers. And
what's strange with these numbers. Okay, forty eight said they're not Forty eight
percent said they're not sure. Only seventeen say no, I don't believe in
it. So the true non believer is a I know, the term believers
kind of funny. The people who well, that's what it is. They
are the minority, the vast minority, only seventeen percent. What's weird,
though, is that seventy nine percent say that they think the government is keeping
UFO secrets, and fifty five percent believe there are Men in Black style agents,
so like these guys in the Men in Black movie. Of course,
Lee wrote a great story on Men in Black at the Huffington Post because there
is a history going back on this phenomenon. So people said how they would
react if they met an alien to twenty two percent said they would befriend the
aliens. And I think that's really nice of them, you know, like
et or who knows they may be ury and cute like ewoks. Who doesn't
want an ewok as a buddy? I would love that personally, even a
big guy, you know, like a like a Chewbacca, you know,
how fun would that be sit in his lap and watch TV. Fifteen percent
said they would run away scaredy cats. Thirteen percent would lock their doors.
More scaredy cats, and only two percent would try to inflict body harm.
So luckily, it's only two percent of the people who would go grab a
gun and start shooting. You know, that's typically in the best way to
say hello. And even though I call those other scaredy cats, who's to
say. I mean, if you're faced with a situation where you're conscious and
you're seeing some strange creature out the door, you know, I might go
click the lock. I like to think that I open the door and say,
hey, what's up, Come on in, let's get a pizza.
But I may run away and crawl under my couch. My dog, however,
is really brave. She would run out there and go check them out.
She's just a little chihuahua, but she ain't afraid and nothing. If
angry aliens did attack the earth, twenty one percent said they would call the
Hulk to deal with it. Twelve percent said Batman, eight percent Spider Man.
The questions got kind of silly, as you can see. Finally,
and this is making headlines, sixty five percent thought that Barack Obama would be
better suited than Mitt Romney to handle an alien invasion. And I can only
guess that that is related to their policies on immigrants, so even illegal immigrants
on this planet. You know, I guess they presume if a president is
more friendly towards that idea, they would be more friendly towards cosmic visitors,
who, of course would be undocumented illegal immigrants. But people thought Barack Obama
might be able to handle that better. Very interesting though, that it's scientifically
done. I mean, it's great when this happens because then we can confirm
what we already know or establish what changes have gone on in the community.
But thirty six percent, I'm telling you that's pretty good. That's over a
third of the people out there. One of three people. And I know
a lot of us get afraid. We think, oh, people just don't
believe in this. They think you're crazy. No, there's a lot of
people who do believe in this sort of thing. So eighty million Americans.
There's a lot of people out there that have an interest, even if they
don't share it. Seattle PI is a paper in Seattle that's been around for
a long time, and they talked about how the UFO friends who has sparked
here sixty five years ago and what they're referring to, of course, is
the famous Arnold sighting back in June of nineteen forty seven. However, they
cover some other sightings such as the Maury Island case where some gentlemen saw allegedly
saw a UFO which dropped six of them donate shaped aircraft which supposedly drops a
molten metal injuring his son and killing his dog. This has been a controversial
subject for a while and these An interesting aspect was that allegedly these pieces of
metal were put into a B twenty five plane collected by a couple of military
guys, and that the plane actually crashed that during transit. So interesting story
there. And then another sighting they talk about in July fourth of nineteen forty
seven, so all in the area, and that this Seattle PI covered way
back then, so interesting story. And finally another great story. We've talked
about this earlier, but NASA, the Cassini probe has found that there is
probably a subsurface ocean on one of Saturn's moon, and of course they have
talked about this before, but I guess you know, every time they go
by they find more and more evidence that there are large bodies of water on
Titan is the name of the moon, so very interesting. Could there be
an underwater civilization? Who knows? All interesting questions? Questions we will ask
the experts at the Cosmic Exploration Conference. But speaking of experts, let's get
this, gentleman. I like to call Lee Spiegel on the phone. One
of my favorite people is on the phone right now. Hello, mister Lee
Spiegel. Well, hello to you, one of my favorite people on the
phone. I almost call to you, doctor Spiegel. And for the listeners,
we've had this running joke because doctor Spiegel will be speaking at the Cosmic
Exploration Conference and most speakers now are doctors. So I gave you an honorary
doctorate. Oh well, very nice. Well, and you know, every
time I hear somebody call me doctor, and it happens occasionally, I always
think of our mutual friend Stanton. Oh, yes, okay, because people
have been mistaking him for a doctor because he's a scientist. He's a nuclear
physicist, and he hates it when people refer to him as doctor Friedman.
He's always correcting people. Yeah, well, he's a smart guy. He
dresses like a doctor. Yeah, he kind of looks like a medical doctor.
He should have a jacket on and you know, he looks like that
guy who's sticking the tongue to pressor in your throat, and so I could
see that he's sticking the tongue depresser in your throat and he says, now,
what does that UFO look like? As you say, ah, yeah,
the good thing. It's good that he's like that, though, because
there are other people and I won't mention names, because there's one person in
particular in this field I can think of who doesn't correct that and is often
referred to as a doctor and he's not a doctor, and he won't correct
it. Yeah, he won't correct it. And I've even seen him listed
that that way. So it's good that you know. Stanton's very careful about
that. He's definitely a fact man. The truth and the facts are important
to him. Well, I've always admired him since since the very first time
that we met for the first interview between us, and that goes back all
the way back to nineteen seventy five when I met Stan and I have to
say he's been so consistent over all these decades with his opinion his stance on
UFOs. You just have to admire the guy for being totally consistent with what
he believes. Yeah, well, I know you're a fan of his.
Yeah, so am I. And you know, it was really neat one
of I don't know if I even told you this yet, but Moufon asked
me to do PR for them, So I'm the director of PR for mouff
On International. Yet again, well, well you're the man for the job
when I used to do it before. At one of the symposiums, I
wrote a press release and I got a call from the local I think it
was a local CBS affiliate, ith was ABC, and he's like, can
I get an interview with Stanton Friedman? And I said sure, you know,
and Stanton's really good at giving interviews, so he's like, okay,
you know, I'd like to be out there that this time. Do you
think you can arrange that? And I said, yeah, I'm sure I
can. He's like, are you sure? Do you think I'm really going
to be able to talk to Stanton Friedman? And I mean this was a
reporter and he was so excited to be able to talk to Stanton Friedman and
we arranged it and he did you know this was some time ago where you
know, I think now we get a lot more serious coverage, but there
wasn't as much then, and this guy was there all weekend covering the conference.
In fact, if you go to the move on YouTube, you can
still see some of these videos. He was just so excited and he was
a great reporter, and he did a great job with these pieces. But
that was one of the funniest things I've ever saw. Well, yeah,
and it's great to just to be able to say that about Stanley. I'm
happy to be calling to call him a friend, just just because he's been
doing this for so long, and you know, I hope he lasts forever,
all right, So I want to also get into all of these great
stories that you're writing on a regular basis for the Huffington Post. And I
guess the latest couple of stories in the last couple of days have been around
this television show called Chasing UFOs. Yeah. Well, they've been getting a
lot of publicity over over the last week or so, and you know,
it's totally understandable. I mean, they National Geographic really wants to to get
the word out about how they're putting an eight part series together on UFOs and
that they're going to get involved with UFO investigations as much as they can,
and I think that that's a good thing, and I think they missed the
mark a little bit. It's just my point of view, because there's a
lot the way the show is created and produced. It's very much like,
I think, much like another show out there called Finding Bigfoot. And it
turns out that the same production company did both shows. Finding Bigfoot was for
Animal Planet and the Chasing UFOs is for National Geographic, And I kind of
wish that National Geographic had at least decided to go a different direction, because
there are things about the individual episodes that I've seen so far that don't really
come across as completely credible. Again, it's just my opinion. I don't
think that the investigators have to be almost whispering out there in the dark as
they're looking at strange lights in the sky. I mean, why are they
whispering finding Bigfoot? Whispers look okay, because if there really is a Bigfoot
out there in the forest, you don't want to spook them. But are
the Chasing UFOs people afraid of spooking any nearby aliens? Well? I doubt
that. Yeah, that is really funny you say that, because when we
went skywatching with them, Jason and I and they were filming the show,
they told us to use our night voice, that they use that night voice,
and we kind of looked at each other, and as soon as they
left, you know, Jason goes to me, why are they do they
want to whisper at night? Are they afraid they're going to scare away the
UF? And so he was joking about that. Well to this day he
jokes about it, which is pretty funny. So, yeah, I was
kind of wondering about that, and we actually used our regular voice because you
know, you know, you know, we're all very used to going out
on these night skywatches, and that's one thing you don't have to worry about
whispering when you're looking for those I like the three team members, Aaron Ryder,
James Fox, and Ben McGee. They're very nice people. They're very
smart people. But so far from what I've seen, Ben McGee is a
scientist. He's a radiation specialist. He's an archaeologist, he's a geologist.
He's very well respected. But he doesn't come across entirely on the show as
the kind of scientists who's really serious. He's supposed to be the skeptic of
the group, but he's coming across more as an open minded skeptic who thinks
that skepticism is good as a way of reaching the public, like a public
outreach. Well, that's fine too. In other words, he's done a
de bunker and he's very clear about that. Yeah, it's funny you say
that, because when you talk about finding Bitfoot, they kind of have a
character that's the same, and it's kind of like a token skeptic as opposed
to I think it would be kind of cool if the skeptic you know was
in charge. This was the guy where it's like, you gotta you know,
he said that the high level of you know, investigation that we got
to do. Whereas even being out with him, you could tell Ben was
kind of he he had input, but he wasn't the guy in charge,
right, and looking at the episodes, I didn't get the impression that he
was as skeptical as he should have been. Oh really, Yeah, because
if this is going to be a series that ultimately tries to find some piece
of dramatic evidence, that pretty much opens up the Pandora's box of UFOs or
the possibility that Earth is being visited by someone from somewhere else. Then you
got to really dig deep and running around through alleys and going out into fields
at night with night vision equipment and metal detectors. I don't think is the
way to do that by For example, when I was and I don't mind
talking about this now, when I was interviewing all three team members, Aaron,
James, and Ben, and I asked each of them, I said,
so far the first episodes that you have filmed, what has been the
most eye opening experience for you? And they all agreed individually that something that
was found out at the debris field near Roswell, New Mexico, was very
important and that could point to military involvement with what supposedly happened at Roswell in
nineteen forty seven. Something came out of the sky and crashed, and as
you know, and as most of your listeners know, Kalajandro, it still
debated what it was that fell or crashed in that field in nineteen forty seven.
Everything from alien spaceship to weather balloon to Trojic Mogul, top secret military
project that was supposedly built to spy on the Soviet Union. Well, whatever
it was that fell in that field not far from the Roswell Air Base.
As soon as word reached the military that something came out of the sky,
well of course they're going to send people out there, military people to see
what it is, to pick up whatever it was, to bring it to
the airbase to analyze it, because that's what they do. That's what they
did. So using metal detectors, the team, the chasing UFO's teams went
out there and they found something. And even on the National Geographic website they
have a picture of it, so even National Geographic has not been trying to
hide what this thing was that they found out there. And I'll tell you
what it was. It was a button, a button off of what appears
to be a military jacket or lapel or uniforms, and it could have been
from nineteen forty seven and small enough, but the metal detectors picked it up
and there's this button. And everybody was saying that this pretty much proves or
could prove, that the military was out there. And my point of view
was, and I mentioned this in my story, well no one's ever really
disputed that the military went out there, right because something came out of the
sky, right, Okay, but does it prove that Does the button itself
prove that a UFO crash landed there? No, Right, Even in all
of the explanations the Air Force has given, such as the Mogul balloons or
the crash chest in all of this, they these were military exercises. They're
not saying there wasn't a military involvement with the Roswell crash. That's just what
that crash. So, yeah, that has never been in question. Right.
So if you go out there with a metal detector and you find a
button that looks like it came from a uniform, well, okay, the
that it doesn't really prove to me that it came from someone who was at
Roswell in nineteen forty seven. But let's say that it was. Let's say
that this is a button from a military uniform from that fell off of a
guy's lapel while he was out there cleaning up the area of all the mess
that landed in that debris field. Fine, but it doesn't prove anything.
Yeah, you know, and I don't like getting excited about something that's not
really worth getting excited about. Yeah, we already know that the military was
involved. Give us something more. That's the kind of attitude I have.
You know, we should all have this attitude, skeptics, believers, people
in between skepticism and believability. We should all demand more. Now, the
government doesn't seem to be wanting to give up whatever they may have. Other
governments don't seem to be either. So it's like with Karl Sagen was the
latest atronomer. Carl Segen used to say that that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Well, you know, I think he was right. I think that
there's evidence out there. I don't know who has it, but I think
that there's enough evidence where somebody ought to be giving it out. They should
be sending pieces of an alien or a ship, either to you or to
me, you know, so that we can break the story. Well,
and it's you know, it's too bad they weren't talking more about because I've
had Frank Well, I broke this story on Frank Kimbler and the guy who
found this medal out there, he works at the New Mexico Military Institute out
there, and the geologist, and I know that they talked with Frank Kimbler,
and I hope that they were supposed to do another analysis on the metal
that found, and I know they have. I know he's on the show
on that episode. So hopefully that when I saw the button, I felt
the exact same way you did. I didn't feel that was that compelling.
But of course, typically I know that they won't put out their most compelling
piece, you know, you don't want to give it all away. So
hopefully there's something there is some more compelling evidence that they have on the show.
Well, what was the initial analysis on Kimber's piece. The initial analysis
that he got back from a reputable lab, it was a isotopic ratio study,
and this study showed that most likely this material was not fabricated on planet
Earth, and it's aluminum. It's something that was fabricated, but at least
with this study now it was on the far margin of error that it could
have been possibly error. But his argument is that this lab doesn't make error.
I mean, this lab is reputable enough where that would be highly unlikely
that that would be the case. And his whole point is he needs another
lab to do another study that what he's got so far is compelling, but
he needs more study. And that's been a difficulty because there's not necessarily a
whole bunch of labs that can do this study. This study is as costs
some money. So I need to catch up with him because I know that,
you know, they spoke with him. I talked to Frank prior to
him, well while he was organizing, you know, the filming with the
crew, and he said, that's what they were gonna do. So I
would and I could. I'm sure they would want to hold that information,
you know, close to the bat. So well, you know, hopeful
it's go ahead. Oh just that I'm just hopeful. Well, and I
am too, And you know, I keep telling people, I keep trying
to remind people that there is this area fifty one exhibit in Las Vegas that
I went out to a few months ago for the opening of it. It's
in a museum that's part of the Smithsonian Institution. Yeah, and in this
exhibit, there is a display and the headline on the display for all to
see says, authentic alien Artifact. Well, that's going to make people kind
of wonder, well, what is this? What do you mean authentic alien
artifact? And they're actually showing something on display there that people claim that is
an alien artifact? But now what does that mean? Why is this on
display international museum? Why aren't people making more of a big deal about this
considering what the material is. So I think that's more interesting actually than a
button off of a lapel of a military uniform in the Roswell debris field.
If somebody's saying to me, we're going to present an authentic alien artifact,
well, hey, hold the horses, hold the presses. What's this?
You know, show up? What's this evidence? Why is this an alien
artifact? What are the properties of it? And they claim that radar can't
be reflected from this material from the button. No, No, that's funny,
because well then that would be a button. Now that's some button.
Yeah you're talking, that's right. It's like it's like it's like a Harry
Potter cloaking device. No, this is the material that at the museum in
Las Vegas, that was donated to the museum by newspaper Journal newspaper, the
television newsman George Napp, who's an amazing reporter. He's the man who pretty
much put the word area fifty one on the map. Nobody knew about area
fifty one until he did all the initial reporting of it years ago. George
Nap has won nineteen Emmy Awards for his reporting on a variety of things in
and around Las Vegas. And he went to Russia and was given this material
that was the result of what they call the Russian roswell. A UFO came
out of the sky, it crashed. Scientists went in picked up a lot
of materials, and Napp got onto it. He went there. He was
the only American journalist allowed to go there. They gave him the materials.
He brought the stuff back to America for analysis, and he has donated this
material to the museum. It's the National Atomic Testing Museum in Las Vegas.
And there are these very tiny, perfectly spherical beads that are part of the
material. And according to initial analysis from different institutes, they're saying that in
these beads, the distance between the atoms of these beads is different from ordinary
iron. Like I said, radar can't be reflected from the material. Some
of the elements in the material can disappear and new ones appear after they're heated.
One of the pieces actually disappeared completely in front of four eyewitnesses. Or
here, well, I'm not sure. I believe this story is from one
of the Russian institutes. And the part of the description that I like the
most is it says, at the core of the material is composed of a
substance that has anti gravitational properties. Hello, no button can claim that.
So all this information is in the display case with the material at the museum
in Las Vegas for all the sea Wow. And in fact, when I
was there going through the museum and I was given a walkthrough by the museum
director, Alan Palmer, and I asked him if I could take some pictures
while I was there, and he said yes, and I took pictures of
this material that I was just talking to you about. I took a picture
of the display sign that actually says authentic alien artifact. And a few minutes
later his museum curator came rushing up to me and said, you can't take
any more photographs. You can't take any pictures here, And I said,
well, why not? She said, because the press is not being allowed
to take any still photos or video material. And I said, well,
well, how are you going to get the public interested to come to the
museum unless you at least tease them with something she said, well, we
think that the mystique of the material itself, if people like you write about
it, should be enough. Well, and then she walked away, and
I asked the museum director. I said, I don't want to get anybody
into any trouble, but you know, I think people should be able to
see this before they come in and spend money and see this stuff. And
he told me to use the pictures. And so my picture that I used
at the top of one of my stories for Huffington Post about this display,
mine is the only picture that was ever taken and shown publicly. And I'm
not saying that just to pat myself on the back. I'm just saying I
think the stuff, whatever it is, should be shown. Right. Why
are we keeping stuff secret? If you've got something that's interesting, let's see
it. Yeah. That was always my gripe about all these UFO groups growing
up when I was a kid and everybody was fighting against each other. Oh,
we're not going to share our information with you because we've got better stuff
than you, and we've got better materials and better pictures. Well no,
that's not the way it ought to be. This is something that affects the
entire planet and everybody on it, so let's kind of let's be like a
big family and share the stuff. That's just my opinion. No, I
agree with you. That's one of the things where I've always liked about move
On. Move On's very open that way. People use them as being otherwise,
but in my experience that's just not true. Whatever you want access to,
even if it it might not be on the Internet yet, but most
of it is it, they'll help you get access to it. So,
I mean, I agree with that one hundred percent, because there are still
organizations out there who aren't sharing everything. Although I will say this about Moufon,
and I've discovered this and maybe this is a good thing, I'm not
sure, but certain stories that I've wanted to follow up on and write about
for Huffington Post, which stories which were kind of in the hands of Mouffon
investigators, I found that by and large, I guess there must be some
overall policy that Moufon has with all of its investigators and field researchers is that
while they're in the middle of an investigation or unless it's been closed, they
won't give out much information about it. They're very close. Yeah, they're
very close lipped about a lot of their stuff, and that could be frustrating.
I mean, even if I'm not asking for the names of people who
are eyewitnesses, I just want information about the overall case because I think it's
important enough to share. Even if you're in the middle of an investigation and
you say, whoa, we can't release the information, well why not?
Why not release information to let the public know that you're working on something that's
potentially really interesting. It may turn out to be nothing, but don't give
us the impression that you're you're holding back and this is all yours, because
that always been my complaint about most UFO groups. Yeah, the issue is
that they don't know though, they don't know if it's something big, and
most likely they're not. And so you know, on the flip side,
it's like, well, I could give you something and then it turns out
to be nothing, and then we both kind of look silly. But hey,
I know that can be the issue. But now you've got a connection
with a guy on the inside, so well, I hope so, because
I want to keep you as a friend. Ha ha. So in relation
to the show, getting back to to the chasing UFOs. Yeah, you
also wrote about their effort to send a response to the WOW signal. Yeah,
so when is a WOW signal and how are they responding? Well,
the WOW signal. It's very interesting because I actually remember when this happened.
Well, this is going to date me. This is the how old I
am? In nineteen seventy seven, as part of the overall search for extraterrestrial
intelligence or people know it as SETI at Ohio State University, they were using
what's called the Big Ear Radio Observatory, and this observatory was just kind of
monitoring signals that as the Earth was rotating in its orbit, the observatory was
just listening for signals from wherever the Earth was facing at that point. And
at one point, while Earth was kind of looking in direction of the constellation
Sagittarius, a very strong seventy two second radio signal or a spike came from
that direction and one of the astronomers who was on duty at the time,
a Jerry Emon I believe his name is or M. E. H.
M An, He was the first person to notice this unusual spike. And
when I say a spike on the computer print out, it was basically it
was six letters and numbers that appeared on the computer print out, and he
looked at this, and he pulled the sheet out of the computer and it
was so completely different from anything else that was coming in from out of space
that he took a red pen and in the margin of the computer print out
he wrote the word WOW with an exclamation point, so that he would know
where this came from. And it's been debated ever since, coming up on
the thirty fifth anniversary of WOW signal, and scientists have been debating whether or
not this was in fact the first extraterrestrial signal to reach planet Earth. But
part of the problem with that is, and this is what science will tell
you is when you're trying to look at something and study something scientifically, you
really want something to repeat so that you can really study it. This never
repeated, it was never heard from again, it's never reappeared, so but
the debate has always continued about that. So National Geographic was putting together the
Chasing UFO series, they came up with the idea of let's send a reply
back to the Sagittarius constellation, because if study wasn't going to send a reply,
if they didn't think that it was important enough because they couldn't repeat the
original signal and they were just going to let the signal just kind of hang
there. Then let's do it, and let's use they say, let's use
modern technology. Let's do it as a giant global social experiment using Twitter.
So National Geographic decided that in combination with the premiere of their show Chasing UFOs,
they solicited basically people all around the world to send tweets. So they
are putting all these tweets together, and on August fifteenth, which is the
actual thirty fifth anniversary of the original Wow signal arriving on Earth, the Aricibo
Observatory Radio Telescope radio observational telescope in Puerto Rico is going to be used to
transmit all of the tweets that have been gathered by people on Earth, and
they're going to just send the signal back to the Fagetarias. And they've been
getting a lot of different tweets from a lot of people. I would say
more than fifty send of the tweets are just people just joking around. A
lot of people aren't taking it seriously, but they like the idea that their
message can be beamed into space. And again, what a lot of people
don't realize is and I'm not sure the exact numbers of this, but I
believe it's something like in order to get the signal from here to that area
of space may take something in the range of two hundred years wow to get
there. And then if the aliens are still there, if they were aliens,
and if they haven't destroyed themselves, and if they want to reply back
to us, that could take another two hundred years. So everybody who's been
tweeting to get a message into space, they're all going to be dead and
gone by the time the signal even gets there. I mean, that's part
of the reality of this. So I like to say to people, well,
wouldn't it be nice if we send a signal and somebody intercepts it and
maybe they're like on Mars and Jupiter, they're not that part way. Maybe
they weren't first place, right, that's right, So it could have been
an S O S right before some spaceship was plowing into an asteroid or something.
Yeah, And the people that National Geographic told me that the whole idea
of putting this transmission together to reply to the possible alien signals. They basically
said that it was to help spark participation and for viewership in their new show,
Chasing UFOs. They basically said that at the heart of the show,
it tries to embrace the curiosity that there might be life and intelligence elsewhere,
because certainly a lot of people don't think that there's any intelligence here on Earth,
you know, right. In fact, a lot of the tweets that
were gathered for the transmission basically was saying like, hey, alien creatures,
don't bother coming here. We're not a friendly group of people. Well,
you don't want to deal with us at all? So did you send a
message? I did, Actually I did, and I basically what I basically
said to our friends from out of space was I said, look here I
am I'm Lespiegel. I've been one of your biggest PR representatives on this planet
for the past thirty years or so. I believe you owe it to me
to give me the first exclusive interview with you. That was basically my message,
yeah, I sent when I invited them to the conference, and it
wasn't just a marketing thing. It was I would really like them to come.
Well well yeah, but now will they have to pay their own way.
Yeah, I mean, nobody gets in free. It's Vegas, so
so we can't. Can you arrange them to have a suite? Yeah?
I could do that, Okay. I mean I'm sure a lot of those
promoters out there will want them to do a show. Well. Yeah,
it's it's like, we do we really need like an alien circ de sole
show now in Vegas. Of course, this makes me think of Mars Attacks.
Oh oh, yes, which took place in Vegas. Right. Oh,
I know, I know I loved that movie because I'm one of the
few people who actually really liked that movie you. Oh did you? Oh
I'm so glad to hear. I'm a Tim Burton fan. Uh mostly.
And then and on top of it, with all those great actors, yeah,
I liked it. Oh and watching the Aliens coming in and destroying Las
Vegas. Oh my god, that's wus so. Uh. I know you
also then reviewed some of those messages. Did you have some favorites? I
did? We? Uh, some of the ones. Let's see one one
person. I mean, I've got a couple of them written here. I
just I'll just read you what a couple of the interesting ones were. One
one said you have mastered inter galactic travel and communications. We created snooky and
we fight over liquefied dinosaur remains. You win. Another one, you'd have
to expect. This one just basically says beat me up Scotty. Well,
okay, yeah, there's probably a ton of those. Yeah, there's another
one, and that was like an actor or something. Uh well, that's
right, well you know Scotty Well. And it's funny because I think part
of the legend of that phrase was that Captain James T. Kirk of Star
Trek never actually said the phrase beat me up Scotty. Yeah, that's hilarious.
Yep, it was. It was always beat me up or I'm ready
to be or energize or mister Scott, you know, beat me but but
he never actually beat me up Scott. That's hilarious. So here's another one
of the tweets that will be going out into space says, last time you
were here, you forgot Nicki Minaj and Lady Gaga behind They're ready for pickup.
That's funny, and I like this one. Here's one that says hello
to the universe. We have cats, cheeseburgers, and much pie jeez and
here's one more. We want to meet you. Shall we have a beer?
Yeah, We've got good beer on this planet. Yeah. I just
looked at some of the latest There's a guy named Ben. His thing is
Ben is so cool. He wrote the Chasing UFO's team team are a bunch
of potty mouths not finding anything. But as long as Aaron Ryder keeps wearing
skinny jeans, I'm in that's great. That one isn't oriented towards the eties,
but it's going to space. I think he made the deadline. Yeah.
Yeah, And you know, other people put little videos to go along
with their tweets, so I know that Stephen Colbert of The Colbert Report put
his own video together, as did Joe Buck and Tim McCarver, the Fox
News sportscasters put a little videos. And of course my favorite is the reigning
Miss Universe. You know, words cannot possibly describe her video where she says
hello to the space creatures and introduces herself as the current Miss Universe, in
which she had to beat out so many other contestants and it was seen by
over a billion people on planet Earth, which proves that she is the most
beautiful woman in the universe, and she asks the alien creatures if they have
somebody that they would like to compete against her, and she ends her video
by saying, if you're here to attack us, please don't hurt my face.
Yeah. Awkward moment, that's for sure. You know, it's a
great idea if you're going to have, if you're going to send a video
to space, why not send you know, arguably she's got the title that
the most beautiful woman on the planet. But you don't have to have her
talk. You could just have her walk around in her beginning or something.
And I think maybe next time that they'll reconsider because that was a little awkward.
Don't hurt my face, I know, but you got to love it
because she actually I think she did it not knowing how silly it was.
Yeah, I think she was just trying to make a joke. But it's
just something lost in translation there. It's what I'm counting it up to.
So we'll see what happens. You know, this signal will go out in
August. Then of course we won't hear anything more about it, because well
why would we if it's going to take a couple of hundred years to get
to where it's going. Yeah, you know, you and I in two
hundred years from now will be we'll be doing our radio shows from another time
in space. Well, and that's what I know. Some of the big
arguments are is that, you know, why listening to radio signals, like
like said he does, might not why it's arguably whether that arguable whether that's
the best route. And I remember even reading some of the CIA documents from
the sixties when they were discussing this sort of thing the best way to do
it, and they were talking about how some of the more advanced technologies that
were just theoretically discussing are probably better ways of communication. And but the radio
signals, you know, it takes so long that that's probably not a way
that they'd be communicating. Uh. But and the degradation and the signal and
all of these issues in that it's possibly not the best technology to be listening
to. Well, right, and and and again, the other part of
the of the equation here is so many people have been saying that ever since
we started projecting radio waves off of planet Earth, those waves have been traveling
into deep space, and it's possible that another technology may have intercepted some of
these things. But but again that would that would suppose that they would be
using the same kind of equipment that that we use. I always have a
problem with things like that. It's it's like we we we tend to think
that because we do something or we use certain kinds of technology, that everybody
else in the universe must be using the same technology as we are. This
this whole thing with all these videos that have been appearing lately on the Internet,
and not only that, for as long as people have been taking videos
and regular still pictures of strange things in the sky, especially at night.
The question that I have had now for a long time is we see all
these videos, all these photographs of these things that are brightly lit, they
have lights all around the perimeter, they have different kinds of flashing lights,
etc. And the question is, why would UFOs. If UFOs are somebody
else's spacecraft that has a technology that has to be far superior to anything we
have. Because of the characteristics of what people have reported about UFOs, why
do they need navigational lights? What is with that? And you know,
one of the reasons might be that they're doing it for our benefit. If
those are navigational lights, at all. They could be just an effect of
the technology. I mean, it could be other things as well. I
would think it could be that they don't even see light the same way we
do, and they don't see that light as light right exactly. But why
do they even need anything that has illumination property? I mean, we put
lights onto our cars, our planes and trains and bicycles and you know,
on helmets so that people can see us coming and so that we don't bump
into each other. Fine, that works for us, but do UFOs do
people maybe from another planet or other planets, do they need we need the
same kind of system so that they can avoid bumping into each other. God,
I wouldn't think so, Alejandro. Yeah, but we don't know that
that is what that light is for. It could be a byproduct of something
else. Look at our examples we use, like let's say, a fire
to warm you don't always the light isn't necessarily what you need. It's a
warmth, but a light is a byproduct of that. I mean it could
It doesn't necessarily mean that the lights are something they're attempting to emit. And
like you said, it's also if they are lighting up it could be for
our benefit. Yeah, you know, which look at me, look at
me. I know. It's like it raises another question. A lot of
these objects seem they seem to want to be seen by humans. It's like
they're not really in a big hurry to get to get away. So it's
like there are so many questions, not enough to answer. And I I'm
glad that there are serious people out there, serious researchers who are looking into
it, and physicists who are really starting to consider that maybe some of these
UFOs don't have to be coming from other planets in other galactic systems, if
they're coming from spaces in different dimensional spaces or realities that might be even closer
to us. There's a lot of different thoughts coming out about that now,
and I just hope that within my lifetime, within your lifetime, that we
get to see some of these things. Yeah, so yeah, I mean
it would be it would be amazing. When you brought up the SETI and
about how you know, people presume that their technologies would be similar to yours.
Those things are always funny to me. And you know, I'm a
big fan of SETI don't get me wrong, But what are the results of
and I know you had mentioned it. They had a big conferences last weekend
and in their conference one of the things that they discussed was metals. How
they believe that for an extraterrestrial civilization to have developed, there are certain things
that these guys would have needed, such as hands, something to manipulate materials
with fingers and things, and they would need metal because you can't develop technologies
without metal. Those are the kind of things that you, like you said,
that are a little frustrating. Those are such big assumptions. It seems
to me, we don't know that you need those things to develop intelligence or
technology. That's true, although just to be there's no metals in our brain,
and our brains are an extreme technology, right, But just to act
as Devil's advocate for a second about that. To my knowledge, every report
of encounters that people have claimed to have had with what they say are alien
beings going back in history over generations, I mean, even going back to
the days of the Bible, when biblical passages told about strange craft coming out
of the skies and creatures getting out of the craft and mingling with the humans.
In almost every case, the creatures have been described as having a head,
a torso, two eggs, and two arms, with fingers, with
toes with two eyes. Now, there have been differences. People have reported
different kinds of creatures, some tall, some small, different colors, some
with like three fingers, some with five fingers. But still there does seem
to be this humanoid appearance. Now, I mean, that's fine, but
you know, many scientists, especially the SETI scientists, will will argue that
if there are other life forms, intelligent life forms out there in the universe,
they couldn't possibly look like humans. They couldn't be humanoid because based on
the makeup of their planet and their their own civilization and the materials that drop
forth their planets and some they would have to look different from us, you
know. So maybe maybe there are planets that have giant worms. Can the
giant worms build spaceships? I don't know. Maybe maybe there are planets that
just have intelligent flowers, you know, I don't know, but maybe Star
Trek is correct. They you know, they went on a mission to seek
out and investigate other forms of life, and didn't it seem odd that all
those other forms of life were all humanoid? So and every planet had an
attractive woman, have some color green or purple for Kirk two, Yeah,
fall in love with have a romantic encounter with. I mean, there wasn't
enough romulan ale in the universe to satisfy that man, right, But but
you know, occasionally they would go someplace like on a planet where they discovered
a creature called the Horta, which was this blob like creature that that could
you know, could dig its way through through tunnels and could raise its own
little harts of babies, and the babies looked like giant cylinders. So so,
yeah, there probably is lots of weird, strange life out there,
but they're also probably I'd like to think there are probably enough humanoids out there
that have created the technology and have built the machines, some of the machines
that people are reporting, you know, whether they're using their fingers or whether
they're just using the power of their minds, their highly advanced minds to bring
the materials together, you know, lift up the blocks like people claim happened
with the creation of the pyramids. I don't know how this was done.
All I'm saying is is, since I'm not a debunker, I'm not going
to automatically say that people are lying about what they've seen. That would not
be right. Sure, it's difficult to prove these stories, but it doesn't
mean that people are making up every single story that we hear about that I
think would be impossible to have so many tens of thousands of people from all
around the world throughout history. Are they all lying? Are they all making
stories up? Are they all hallucinating? Bright? I can't imagine that would
be true, especially Yeah, some of these incredible stories from these very credible
people. Yeah, I mean we you know, you get to the point
where it's like diminishing returns. How much longer are we going to keep ridiculing
people or claiming that they're hallucinating, or they're making stuff up, or they're
they're creating bad photos from photoshops? How much longer are the skeptics and the
debunkers going to continue to do that until we actually find some real answers.
And I'll tell you this also, al Angre, I don't just put the
blame on the skeptics or the debunkers or the governments of the world. I
put a lot of this blame on the visitors themselves. It's like if you're
here, if you're visiting us, show yourselves. But if that's not why
you're here, if you have a different agenda, then then don't show yourselves.
But don't tease us, because obviously you know that we're seeing you and
we're photographing you. And if you don't mind that, then fine, But
I mean, it's really tough. In nineteen sixty eight, the Air Force
Academy had a textbook called Introductory Space Science and they had a chapter called Unidentified
Flying Objects. That chapter was only in that book for about a year before
they eliminated it from the book. But it was a real chapter, and
a very lengthy chapter in which Air Force Academy cadets could read about what the
military felt about UFO's flying sauces at the time in nineteen sixty eight. And
among the things that the cadets were told in that chapter that the Air Force
enjoyed the possibility that some of these UFO stories could be the result of Earth
being visited by three or four groups of aliens, possibly at different stages of
development. And also in the chapter, it had a whole section called why
no Contact? And they tell the cadets. So they told the cadets in
this chapter. When you go to a zoo, you don't go there and
contact the animals, you know, So any extraterrestrials that could be so far
ahead of us technologically and psychologically might not care about us at all, and
they have other reasons for visiting planet Earth and would prefer to not mingle with
us thought, and again it's not my thought. This is what they were
telling the cadets, right, that was one of many possibilities. It's like,
why is there no formal contact? Well, maybe because they don't consider
us worth contacting or I'll give you that. Yeah, you know, yeah,
I know. What's interesting is, you know, there wasn't much publicity
on it, but there was a guy who was blogging about it who would
send me the links to his blog, who went to a SETI conference in
Europe. Yeah, and you know, unlike the SETI conferences here in this
European when there were several speakers who were professors at different universities talking about how
they think we may already be being visited and how they they had a couple
of theories. One of them, you know, they talked about that one
a lot, and they talked about the one, you know, kind of
San Friedman talks about it a lot that we're probably being kind of, you
know, Captain arntstre containing us and keeping a watch on us so we don't
go screw up the rest of the environment around us, but kind of keeping
us contained and watching us. Yeah, and you know, to what end?
People will say, well, we don't know what end. If we
are being visited, we can't possibly know what their agenda is. We just
can't. People have said throughout the years, throughout the centuries, well they
must be the gods from out of space. Well, you know what,
anybody who is a few hundred years ahead of us technologically, let's say,
you will give them a thousand years ten thousand years ahead of us, because
there are so many possible civilizations out there. Just because they would be more
advanced technologically than we are doesn't mean they know anything more about how all this
began, you know, the big question where did we all come from?
They may not know the answer to that any more than we do, but
people automatically assume, well, if they're coming from out of faith, they
must be the gods. I'm sorry, I don't buy that. I never
have. But again that whole chariots of the God's things. People back in
the days of the Bible, when they were seeing and reporting and writing about
strange things that came out of the sky, well that's all that they knew.
They didn't have the technology to understand that this is something called technology.
All that they knew was, here are things coming from the sky with strange
creatures. They must be gods because we can't do what they can do.
That's how this works. I say to people, keep it simple. There's
nothing mystical or magical supernatural about any of this. We're part of a big
as Stan Friedman likes to say, it's a big galactic neighborhood. And there
are many galactic neighborhoods around the universe. We already know that. So let's,
you know, let's have a yard sale with everybody out there. Or
like Arthur C. Clark said, any sufficiently advanced technology is going to look
like magic. Of course. Absolutely. You take bushmen from you know,
the Calahari Desert, you know, or you know who've never been around people
who have technology, and you visit them and you show them something like a
like a cigarette lighter or a camera or whatever, and it's magic. It's
like, oh my, who are these people who have these wonderful, mysterious
things? All we have are spears. It reminds me of the scene and
Back to the Future where Marty puts the headphones on his dad and where's that
that outfit and blares them the rock music. Oh yeah, yeah, and
he pretends he's Darth Vader. Yeah exactly, I thought, I know.
So it's all magical. You know. One of the things, though,
that we could do as humans to take advantage of this, uh, these
questions, is to stage an alien invasion to help the economy. I think
he wrote something about this recently. I did, I did this. So
is this guy serious you think? I mean, I've seen the stories and
this Paul Krugman talk about this. Why does he keep talking about this?
Is he just trying to be silly? No, he was trying to make
a point. He won the Nobel Peace Prize or the Nobel Prize in Economics
and Paul Krugman and he he's a professor of Princeton. He has a column
for The New York Times, and for over a year he's he's been talking
about the idea where he says that if the United States that the United States
could benefit economically. We could get out of all of our money problems if
only we started pouring money and doing immense spending into something which would create jobs
and that would help the economy. And so he basically said, what we
really need is we need to get scientists to say that they figured out that
there's an alien invasion on the way, and we need to bring everybody together
to start building alien anti alien defense. We need to build more roads,
and we need to build more bridges and anti defense systems. And he's even
said that even a fake war of the world's scare would help the economy.
And some people believe that he's right that this could help, but he never
actually seriously said, well, I think we should do this well, because
nobody's actually saying that there's an alien invasion on the way, although some people
are. But but and I keep getting emails from people who are claiming that
there are spaceships that are starting to form their stance out beyond our planets.
I get a lot of stuff about this. So maybe there is going to
be an alien invasion. But you know, earthlings are not the only game
in town. And so we really should start thinking about how we're part of
a galactic neighborhood of people out there who maybe aren't coming here to eat us
or to kill us, because wouldn't they have done that already? But I
mean, why does he keep talking about this Because as an economist, he
believes, you know, that there should ways of helping the national economy,
helping the United States to get out of debt, and apparently, historically one
way to do that is for the United States to start spending a lot of
money to actually create jobs. Well, if people were told that there were
going to be jobs created that would help our planet to ward off an alien
invasion, well then the economy gets put back together. So he's basically saying
that would be one way of doing it. I'm not really saying that it's
going to happen, but from an economic point of view, that's what we
need something like that. So he just kind of threw it out there and
said we need a possible alien invasion of Earth. So yeah, so he's
just kind of being silly, I guess. I mean, oh yeah,
yeah. Everywhere that he appeared on CNN last year, he basically just said
to get us out of our economic gol drums, we have to prepare for
an alien invasion. What he does is he talks about how the Great Depression
was successfully ended when the government started spending a lot of money back in the
days of the World Wars. Right. He says that, you know,
so we have to kind of replicate that somehow and get the government start spending
a lot of money. It'd probably be a little more constructive if he just
stuck to something perhaps that would be feasible than what's money, though of course
it does harken there's a conspiracy theorist who believe that, you know, there
is going to be an alien invasion fained for purposes of developing defense. But
the funny thing is is that by this crowman guy saying this stuff, I
don't know, if I you know, people would be less likely to bake
something if this guy is over here saying that's what we should do. Yeah.
But he he's also gone on record by actually saying that it's a fake
threat. He he has never said that this is going to right. Oh
yeah, I mean he's he's been very open and he said, yeah,
I've created this fake threat scenario as an example of how the United States could
clear all of its economic problems up. Yeah, you know, he even
last year he told CNN, if I remember that there used to be a
Twilight Zone episode where scientists faked an alien threat in order to achieve world peace.
Well, you know, now he's now he says, well, this
time, we need to do a fake alien threat in order to get some
economic stimulus happening for the country. It's just so weird. What a weird
guy. I know. But but everybody was listening, and you know it
pay Yeah, it was. And you know, he has won a Nobel
Prize in economics. So a lot of people, of course think that,
you know, when someone like him stands up and wants to talk, you
know, we'd better listen. But but again, he never actually said that
he really believed that there was an alien invasion and that we should really well
that we should we should really have some scientists make the claim. He has
always said that it was just like a fantasy idea that he made up,
right, You've made that very very clear. Yeah, So, I mean
it is what it is. I got a good story out of it.
Yeah, and you know, before we're running out of time. But I
definitely want to talk about at least the Baltic Sea story, because as far
as I know, you were the first one to write about how they when
they went there they actually found it to be at first see. And these
guys are are these treasure hunters are kind of goofy. They're changing their stories
all the time, but especially at the time they first posted they said it
looked like a giant mushroom. They did, and that was directly from their
website and the day they we're talking about it's a it's a group called the
Ocean Explorer, and it's basically it's it's these two guys who are treasure hunters,
Okay, and they a year ago, last June almost exactly, well
a little more than a year ago, they were they were preparing to leave
a certain area of the Baltic Sea when side scan sonar that they were using
caught images of something lying on the bottom of the Baltic Sea and people started
claiming, well, it looks like the Millennium Falcon spaceship from the Song Wars
movies, and and it all quickly went viral, and it took them more
than a year to raise more funds so they could go back to the Baltic
Sea with more divers, more deep sea divers, better equipment, better cameras
to get a closer look at this thing. And so when they got back
there a few weeks ago, they instantly released pictures and videos and it was
just all close up things that they didn't really have anything from very far away.
They were like right on top of the thing, and you couldn't really
see a lot except a lot of the edges of this object were smooth,
they were rounded. They said it was almost like sitting sitting on top of
some kind of a pillar, as if it was growing out of the ocean
floor, and that it looked a lot like a mushroom, as you can
all imagine what a mushroom would look like. And they found like circles of
rocks on this object, which they said reminded them of like a fireplace that's
made out of rocks. They found a mysterious hole in this thing, and
and then, and then, even in the last week or two, another
story has come out in which one of the divers was claiming that as they
got closer to the object from the surface, they their their cameras, the
power suddenly went out and they couldn't actually film certain things until they got further
away. Well, that that hasn't really been substantiated, and now some people
are out there claiming that the whole thing was a scam. And and in
fact, I read I read a story the other day where some people uncovered
the fact that one of the two heads of the Ocean Explorer that he's it,
was actually an actor and they found his website with his picture on the
website when he was doing acting. See, and here's why I know and
I don't, Christie's since the beginning, they've been using these phrases like UFO
and millennium falcon and they they laugh about it, and they say, oh,
you know, they they really glom onto what the media is talking about.
So at first, you know, you see an interview and they're laughing,
ha ha, you know, we were just joking when we said that,
and then once the media really talks about it, they get more serious
about that aspect, and they just don't seem to they change their stories.
They seem to really be hamming up the media. And I guess another aspect
that frustrated me with the story too, was that there was an interview where
they said there were exercises from the military Russian in US nearby, and then
this evolved into and really it was the fault of these boggers and stuff in
this field saying, oh, the military is blockading the area, and no
that never happened, nor did they say that, right, but at least
there was a partial truth to that, Alejandro, that it was a coincidence
that on the day, But that's not a blockade, no, no,
not at all. The coincidence this was that when these guys left Stockholm to
go back to the area to where the object was, and I think they
left on June first, it was a coincidence that in other areas of the
Baltic Sea, the United States, Russia and something like fifteen other countries were
conducting military exercises. And this is something that they have done every year at
about the same time the beginning of June. They've done this for like the
last twenty or twenty five years. And so this had nothing to do with
these guys going back. Well that's what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah,
and there was, like you said, there was no blockade. And I've
been saying to people, look, if these guys were dumb enough a year
ago to say that they've come upon this object on the bottom of the Baltic
Sea, but they're not going to be able to get back to it for
another year. Do you think that if the United States or Russia or other
countries who have enough resources and manpower, if they actually thought there was something
going on here, you think within the last year, they wouldn't have gone
back there and found it themselves and brought it up and made it go away.
I think so, yeah. And if they did want to blockade these
guys, they would have very easily been able to do so, that's right.
And the other thing was if they had gone there and they took it
away, then what would have happened was these guys would have gone back there
and they would have gone down to the right coordinates and they would have said,
wait a minute, where's the object that we saw here a year ago.
It must be a conspiracy. Someone must have taken it away, And
then all the conspiracy theorists would have come out. But then skeptics might have
said, well, you guys just went down to the wrong location, and
it would have just blown itself. It would have imploded. The whole thing
would have imploded on them, right, So at this point where it stands,
they took samples of the object, and I understand that the samples are
being analyzed in Stockholm. And I've been checking the website every day to get
any updates, and so far there haven't been. And so we'll see.
We'll just see what we'll see about the Baltic UFO. And also in my
story, I think I might have been one of the first people to say
that isn't it about time that everybody agrees we should refer to this object as
a USO, not a UFO, a USO as in unidentified submerged object,
because as far as we know, nobody knows if this object was ever in
the air and was ever flying, So why are we calling it a UFO.
Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, so I'll take on everybody,
get them, Let's try to get them. So that's interesting though,
that their website didn't say anything about this electronics thing. Huh, that's rights
And that's that's what bothered me, that the story started coming out of all
the electronic things, and I kept going to the website, nothing and I
thought, well, that's a little odd. If they'd been reporting everything else
in the website, Well why not this? What's up with this? So,
yeah, you know it's fishy considering it from the ocean, but yeah,
it's a USO. Everybody get used to it. Yeah, live with
it. Hey, listen. I came under a lot of heat because people
thought combentors to my story. People thought that I was saying that this was
in fact a giant mushroom, and I wasn't saying that. I was saying
that that the researchers said that it looked like a mushroom. It was mushroom
shaped, but nobody was saying that this was a gigantic portobello mushroom, which
sounds delicious. Yeah, let's bring in some tomato sauce and pour it over
the thing. I love a good portobello. I love a good portobello from
the bottom of the Baltic Sea. Well, we are pretty much out of
time, so a lot of interesting stories. As usual. You've got probably
plans on because you're always a busy guy. Some new exciting stories, I'm
sure. Yeah, I'm actually working on a piece. I'm following up some
information about a little story that recently came out about how one of the one
of the Soviet should say Soviet one of the Russian cosmonauts who I believe was
on the space station. A bunch of media outlets pick this up last week.
I'm not sure if you had it on your site or not, but
he was saying that apparently the United Nations, in conjunction with China, has
come up with some kind of protocol instructions for or astronauts or cosmonauts on how
to deal with possible first contact with extraterrestrials. Now I read this, and
I kept finding many different stories that talked about this, but not a single
story out there actually had the instructions. And I thought that was pretty odd,
because if the United Nations has such a protocol policy, why haven't they
released that. If that's something you'd want to hide from the public, I
would think that to boost public interests in the United Nations, they would want
people to know that, Hey, if there is first contact, you folks
might like to know how we would like to approach it. That would be
a great morale and pr situation for the UM. But nothing. So I
put in a couple of calls. I'm waiting for some people to come back
to me and say is there or is there not a policy for first contact?
Yeah, And of course there was that story a year or so ago
where it was rumored that this woman and she had said something to the effect
I think a science representative who said, I think she was just joking around,
saying I think since i'm science, I would probably be the one task
to talk with the aliens if they wanted to talk to the UN. But
something like that. Yeah, Yes, And the stories came out claiming that
she was the new Earth ambassador to out of space, and she quickly went
on the air and made public statements saying, no, I never said that
there is no such thing. There is no such policy, And it's entirely
possible, Alejandro, that this cosmonaut may have been thinking about that and may
have just kind of, like you say, gotten lost in translation, that
maybe he was just remembering the story from over a year ago when people were
saying that there was a special office set up at the UN for first contact.
I'm sure that that's all this is going to turn out to be,
but I'd like to at least follow it to its conclusion. Yeah, And
if they want to open a position like that, hopefully they put it up
on Monster and you and I can apply for it, that's right. Yeah.
Or if they say it's going to cost too much money to put this
kind of an office together, that I'll say, you and I should go
on the Kickstarter and we'll raise the funds. Yeah, that's right, and
I'll bet we'll get the money we want too. Yep, just like I'm
going to get the money for the conference. I'm my Kickstarter. Well,
I'm sure you will, because you're doing a really good thing out there.
Thanks brother, you bet all right. Well, I'm going to be excited
to see you at the conference, and I'll be excited to stay in contact
with you on a regular basis as usual. You bet, Alejandro will do
a buffet together in Las Vegas. All right, sounds good. Thanks for
being on the show again. Thank you so much. Thank you to mister
Lee Speaker. He's always a lot of fun and always up to something interesting
and unique. How exciting it would be too right for having to post and
all this stuff. Anyway, it's been another wonderful show. I would like
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